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From: Fernando Martins <fernand..._at_iol.pt>
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: JAMMERS
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As part of the small european list lobby, not retired, that in many times/c=
lients has to deal with (f%&#"#=A4%&ing) spanish laws, us listeners can bel=
eave, if there is a european country that have laws regarding security and =
security systems, that country is Spain.
FM
----- Mensagem Original -----
De: Michael Puchol <mpu..._at_sonar-security.com>
Data: Domingo, 22 de Outubro de 2006, 20:49
Assunto: [TSCM-L] Re: JAMMERS
>=20
> Ahem...who said there are no laws in Spain regarding jamming? They=20
> are=20
> probably as strict and carry as heavy penalties as in the US - the=20
> problem is basically the instant "illegal!" cry attached to=20
> anything you=20
> *may* think is being requested or sold illegally.
>=20
> It is also probably very US-centric that gov and LEAs go direct to=20
> the=20
> manufacturers, in many countries they tend to deal with=20
> specialized=20
> firms, as they can develop or combine things into special projects=20
> they=20
> do not have capabilities for. Out of curiosity, does the FBI (as=20
> an=20
> example) have a fully-equipped electronic development lab?
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Mike
>=20
>=20
> taylo..._at_yahoo.com wrote:
> > ben,
> > since this list membership is predomantly usa based ,as a=20
> retired=20
> > gov.law enforcement I always take exception to people asking=20
> about=20
> > equipment that is for the most part illegal in the usa,(hence=20
> don't=20
> > think he'll get much help here)he say's final client is=20
> government ? if=20
> > their are no laws in mexico or spain for these 75 watt jammers=20
> then=20
> > surely they should be able to go to there local spy shop and=20
> purchase=20
> > one, as for any government these manufactures seek out there own=20
> clients=20
> > and every LE. has catalogs from every manufacture.next time just=20
> state=20
> > (where legal) simple ...
> > dan
> > taylor group
> >=20
> >=20
> > */"Greer, Benjamin" <Gre..._at_Pragmatics.com>/* wrote:
> >=20
> > "Ram=F3n illegal for the most part in the usa don't think you much
> > help here."
> >=20
> > Interesting. Is this a mostly U.S. centric group here? This=20
> is one of my
> > first posts here and although I have been lurking for oh,=20
> probably a
> > couple
> > of months and have read several posts from several=20
> individuals from
> > several
> > different companies AND from several different countries=20
> over this time.
> > Are we starting to exclude the rest of the world here? There are
> > about 192
> > member countries of the United Nations and plus a few=20
> countries of this
> > world not represented by the UN. Each having their own rules=20
> and laws
> > concerning telecommunications...for the most part. What does=20
> this mean?
> > The U.S. is not the only place where TSCM is practiced!
> >=20
> > The poster (Ramon) was not talking about the USA. He was, I=20
> would say
> > talking about Mexico. And I am assuming this since the=20
> poster contact
> > information is IN Mexico.
> >=20
> > I am still trying to interpret the "don't think you much=20
> help here."
> >=20
> > Dan, want to elaborate on this aspect? Or do I have the tone=20
> of your
> > response all wrong?
> >=20
> >=20
> > Ben Greer
> >=20
> > _____
> >=20
> > From: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com on behalf of=20
> taylo..._at_yahoo.com> Sent: Sat 10/14/2006 9:35 PM
> > To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: JAMMERS
> >=20
> >=20
> > ramon illegal for the most part in the usa don't think you=20
> much help
> > here.
> > dan
> > taylor group
> >=20
> > "Ram=F3n F. Arriola Otero" wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > To who can help me:
> >=20
> >=20
> > I need to obtain a blocking a signals "JAMMER" , that it=20
> covers all the
> > electromagnetic spectrum, with power greater to 75 watts by=20
> channel.> And if
> > it is possible that he is configurable to release single some
> > channels, not
> > if they could inform to me.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Thanks beforehand for its information.
> >=20
> >=20
> > Respectfully,
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Ram=F3n F. Arriola Otero
> > Centro de Control y Contraespionaje
> > Bah=EDa de Guant=E1namo # 57 P.A.
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> > Cel +52(55)9199-4534
> > Fax +52(55)2474-3185
> > Nextel 52*273289*2
> > Skype arriolaramon
> > Llave Publica
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> >=20
> > E-Mail ra..._at_cccmexico.com.mx
> > r..._at_counterespionage.biz
> > arriol..._at_yahoo.com
> > arriol..._at_telcel.blackberry.net
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