RE: [TSCM-L] {5709} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

From: James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 20:44:48 -0400
Here is a presentation I did on this subject a couple of years back, which really pissed off the U.S. Government, quite a bit actually... maybe a little too much.

http://www.tscm.com/Source2009-03.12.2009-VehcileBugs.htm

-jma





TSCM/SO Group wrote:
Disconnect it.
Onstar is nothing but a Verizon cdma tx blowing data back and forth along w
audio.To date I have not observed a court order or warrant for any case
where on star has complied to aid in a conviction of a crim offense or
missing child.
Onstar has been hardnosed on being compliant to those you would think have
access to everything.
The car stereo guys know how to work around onstar as onstar is tied into
vehicle radio,and other features that some consumers do want.Onstar
technology isn't rocket science.its one step above old dtmf/relay output
technology.
If anyone has any certified case data where onstar complied and their
process/technology took someone down,let us know,or post the link to it.
I had a 2002 tahoe where the onstar was almost useless because it didn't
make the date for amp to cdma conversion,my 2005 although unsubscribed,can
still work if I cough up money to run it.I prefer not,although onstar
recently had a good deal going to get subscribers back that was hard to pass
on.
Some of the gps units out there today offer the same features as onstar
including audio and outputs for relay triggering.To date we have not seen a
driven GM product wrapped in tin foil,(even in TN)long live on
star.............

Mitch Davis
TSCM/Special Operations Group Inc.
20 Music Square West,Suite 208 
Nashville, TN. 37203 USA
615.251.0441
Fax 615.523.0300
www.tscmusa.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: bernieS [mailto:ber..._at_netaxs.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {5694} OnStar Tracking Continues Even After
Subscriptioin Cancellation (your every move)

What's the best specific technique (besides 
contacting OnStar) for ensuring that a vehicle's 
OnStar radio transceiver cannot send data to 
OnStar?  Short-circuit the RF/antenna 
connector?  That technique might be the least 
disruptive the vehicle's internal data network.




At 02:34 PM 10/3/2011, Roger wrote:
  
Technology Beck's OnStar Concerns Were Right - 
Tracking Continues Even After Cancellation




Two years ago, Media Matters mocked Glenn Beck 
for his "conspiracy theory" that OnStar had too 
much power with its ability to track cars, 
listen to conversations and ultimately turn the 
car off. Well, it looks like his concerns were 
accurate, as GM has just made a major announcement about the GPS system.
Here's the video from Media Matters in 2009:
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/>Wired 
now reports that even if you cancel your OnStar 
service, you are still being tracked:
OnStar began e-mailing customers Monday about 
its update to the privacy policy, which grants 
OnStar the right to sell that GPS-derived data in an anonymized format.
Adam Denison, a spokesman for the General Motors 
subsidiary, said OnStar does not currently sell 
customer data, but it reserves that right. He 
said both the new and old privacy policies allow 
OnStar to chronicle a vehicle's every movement 
and its speed, though it's not clear where that's stated in the old policy.
"What's changed [is that if] you want to cancel 
your OnStar service, we are going to maintain a 
two-way connection to your vehicle unless the 
customer says otherwise," Denison said in a telephone interview.
The connection will continue, he said, to make 
it "easier to re-enroll" in the program, which 
charges plans from $19 to $29 monthly for help with navigation and
    
emergencies.
  
<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/onstar-announces-tracking-continues-even-a
    
fter-cancellation/snapz-pro-xscreensnapz065-2/>
  
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Continuing to collect information, Denison said, 
makes it easier OnStar to provide information 
for organizations that request it:
"We hear from organizations periodically requesting our information," he
    
said.
  
He said an example of how the data might be used 
would be for the Michigan Department of 
Transportation "to get a feel for traffic usage 
on a specific section of freeway." The policy 
also allows the data to be used for marketing 
purposes by OnStar and vehicle manufacturers.
Collecting location and speed data via GPS might 
also create a treasure trove of data that could 
be used in criminal and civil cases. One could 
also imagine an eager police chief acquiring the 
data to issue speeding tickets en masse.

Wired notes that blogger and forensic scientist 
<http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/>Jonathan 
Zdziarski, who wrote about OnStar "spying on 
customers" GPS location for profit" said he was 
canceling his service and making sure he was 
fully disconnected. He wrote, "When will our 
congress pass legislation that stops the 
American people's privacy from being raped by 
large data warehousing interests? Companies like 
OnStar, Google, Apple, and the other large 
abusive data warehousing companies desperately need to be investigated."
    



  

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