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From: Steve Griffith <steveg..._at_hotmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {2362} Re: 1000 bugging operations a day
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Carl,
What your comments have to do with TSCM, I'm not sure. =20
=20
I empathize with your views and frustrations while entering the U.S. Howeve=
r, the U.S. is at war; being the leading country of the free world and a e=
nemy of fascism, terrorist idealogues, & communist who would delight in our=
downfall as a nation. We are a nation of freedom, but as they say "the cos=
t of freedom is not free".
=20
Terrorist will use any means; exploiting persons with disabilities, just as=
they do with women and children to strap a bomb on and detonate in a crowd=
of civilians.=20
=20
Much of the 'security' at the airport is ineffective, rampant with waste & =
more of a show, but if it stops one incident and saves lives then it it wor=
th it.=20
=20
What do you mean by the current situation here in the U.S.? For our citizen=
s nobody is presumed guilty; we are not a police state. You are a guest and=
not a citizen. Until your are approved to enter by U.S. Customs and securi=
ty processes, you're under scrutiny.=20
=20
Once leaving Customs & entering the U.S. have you been followed by police? =
interrogated and held without cause ? Have you been threatened or coerced b=
y police into confessing to a crime ? Beaten and tortured physically and me=
ntally ? None of the above maybe? =20
We as citizens are not arrogant either, please give examples, not your emot=
ional reaction. The U.S. provides more assistance to the preservation and a=
id of many struggling countries, even those who are trully police states.=
=20
=20
The U.S. government is not white glove clean and has made some wrong reacti=
ons and actions. Have made some bad situations worse, but generally have do=
ne much more good to benefit, than bad for the world. =20
=20
Where would your country, Austria be if it were not for the U.S. & Allied f=
orces in WW II ? The U.S. alone lost roughly 500,000 military personnel KI=
A, none in battle on U.S. soil. =20
=20
I suggest you think about others' sacrifices past & future made to keep the=
world a better place rather than your own inconvenience and your green car=
d.=20
=20
S. Griffith
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:37:32 -0800From: matthewsusa_at_yahoo.comSubject: [T=
SCM-L] {2362} Re: 1000 bugging operations a dayTo: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.co=
m
Why do you Americans prefer to think of any other country as "police state"=
? Look what happens to any foreigner who wants to enter your country - you=
get fingerprinted, photographed and sometimes nastily "interrogated", even=
if you are a greencard holder, as I am. Watch the so-called "security" at =
the airports (yes, the U.S started this after 9/11and forced all other nati=
ons to comply) which are heavily trained to see only suspects and nothing e=
lse. Even if one is handicapped, as I am, they are suspects. I cannot walk =
without a cane and without shoes, as I am half paralysed after a stroke - s=
till they force me to take my shoes off - just because I am a suspect ! I a=
m as dangerous as a Marshmallow - and still I am a suspect.
=20
And we all know that these "security measures" are of no real use and still=
we have to obey and bend over and even pay for "the service".
=20
The basic philosophy of a "police state" is that everybody is guilty until =
proven innocent. Look at the current situation in the U.S and dare to deny =
that it is exactly like that.=20
=20
So please stop your arrogance towards other people and countries and solve =
your own problems first. And no, I am not Swiss, I am Austrian but as I rea=
d your statements and comments I am pretty sure you have no idea about Euro=
pe anyway.
=20
BTW - Mr. Atkinson, I find your web site very interesting and your thoughts=
very inspiring.
=20
Carl
"James M. Atkinson" <jm..._at_tscm.com> wrote:
http://news.icm.ac.uk/technology/1000-bugging-operations-a-day/1000 bugging=
operations a daySecurity services and other public bodies carry out up to =
1000 bugging operations every day in Britain.The latest report from the Int=
erception of Communications Commissioner has shown that security services a=
nd other public bodies carry out up to 1000 bugging operations in Britain e=
very day.Written by Sir Paul Kennedy, a former Lord Justice of Appeal who t=
ook over as the spy watchdog in April 2006, the report covers bugging opera=
tions over a period of 264 days in 2006, during which time an average of 96=
0 new applications for interception were made each day.A total of 653 publi=
c bodies can lawfully request personal communications data. They include ev=
ery police force and prison and 474 local authorities as well as the securi=
ty and intelligence agencies. A total of 253,557 requests for such informat=
ion were made in the last nine months of 2006, the latest figures available=
reveal.Bugging is usually carried out by MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the police and=
most people are targeted on suspicion of terrorism or serious crime.Senior=
council officers however are also given the power to authorise surveillanc=
e in order to catch fly-tippers, benefit fraudsters and rogue traders. In t=
he nine months to the end of 2006, 122 councils sought to obtain private co=
mmunications in more than 1,600 cases.Communications data has provided cruc=
ial evidence which has led to the arrest and conviction of kidnappers, rapi=
sts and paedophiles, helped prevent murders and gather intelligence on terr=
orism at home and abroad, the report stated.On allowing intercept evidence =
to be used in court, Sir Paul said: "At present, I am firmly of the opinion=
that the benefits of any change in the law are heavily outweighed by the d=
isadvantages. With one exception, everyone to whom I have spoken in the cou=
rse of my visits seems to be of the same opinion."The director of public pr=
osecutions, most MPs, some senior police officers and human rights groups w=
ant the product of intercepts to be admissible in criminal trials. They arg=
ue that such evidence would avoid the need for lengthy detention without tr=
ial.The Conservatives and other groups including civil rights group Liberty=
have argued that permitting intercept evidence in court would help convict=
more terrorists, as well as other serious criminals.----------------------=
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x: (978) 546-9467127 Eastern Avenue #291 Web:
http://www.tscm.com/Glouceste=
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Carl,<BR>
What your comments have to do with TSCM, I'm not sure. <BR>
<BR>
I empathize with your views and frustrations while entering the U.S. Howeve=
r, the U.S. is at war; being the leading country of the free world an=
d a enemy of fascism, terrorist idealogues, & communist who would =
delight in our downfall as a nation. We are a nation of freedom, but a=
s they say "the cost of freedom is not free".<BR>
<BR>
Terrorist will use any means; exploiting persons with disabilities, ju=
st as they do with women and children to strap a bomb on and detonate =
in a crowd of civilians. <BR>
<BR>
Much of the 'security' at the airport is ineffective, rampant with was=
te & more of a show, but if it stops one incident and saves lives then =
it it worth it. <BR>
<BR>
What do you mean by the current situation here in the U.S.? For our citizen=
s nobody is presumed guilty; we are not a police state. You are a guest and=
not a citizen. Until your are approved to enter by U.S. Customs and securi=
ty processes, you're under scrutiny. <BR>
<BR>
Once leaving Customs & entering the U.S. have you been followed by poli=
ce? interrogated and held without cause ? Have you been threatened or coerc=
ed by police into confessing to a crime ? Beaten and tortured phy=
sically and mentally ? None of the above maybe? <BR>
<BR>We as citizens are not arrogant either, please give examples, not =
your emotional reaction. The U.S. provides more assistance to the pres=
ervation and aid of many struggling countries, even those who are trully po=
lice states. <BR>
<BR>
The U.S. government is not white glove clean and has made some wrong reacti=
ons and actions. Have made some bad situations worse, but generally ha=
ve done much more good to benefit, than bad for the world. =
<BR>
<BR>
Where would your country, Austria be if it were not for the U.S. & Alli=
ed forces in WW II ? The U.S. alone lost roughly 500,000 military per=
sonnel KIA, none in battle on U.S. soil. <BR>
<BR>
I suggest you think about others' sacrifices past & future made to=
keep the world a better place rather than your own inconvenience and your =
green card. <BR>
<BR>
S. Griffith<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:37:32 -0800<BR>From: matth..._at_yahoo.com<BR>Subjec=
t: [TSCM-L] {2362} Re: 1000 bugging operations a day<BR>To: TSCM-..._at_google=
groups.com<BR><BR>
<DIV>Why do you Americans prefer to think of any other country as "police s=
tate" ? Look what happens to any foreigner who wants to enter your&nbs=
p;country - you get fingerprinted, photographed and sometimes nastily "inte=
rrogated", even if you are a greencard holder, as I am. Watch the so-c=
alled "security" at the airports (yes, the U.S started this after 9/11and f=
orced all other nations to comply) which are heavily trained to see only su=
spects and nothing else. Even if one is handicapped, as I am, they are susp=
ects. I cannot walk without a cane and without shoes, as I am half paralyse=
d after a stroke - still they force me to take my shoes off - just because =
I am a suspect ! I am as dangerous as a Marshmallow - and still I am a susp=
ect.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And we all know that these "security measures" are of no real use and =
still we have to obey and bend over and even pay for "the service".</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The basic philosophy of a "police state" is that everybody i=
s guilty until proven innocent. Look at the current situation in the U=
.S and dare to deny that it is exactly like that. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So please stop your arrogance towards other people and countries and s=
olve your own problems first. And no, I am not Swiss, I am Austrian but as =
I read your statements and comments I am pretty sure you have no idea about=
Europe anyway.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW - Mr. Atkinson, I find your web site very interesting and your tho=
ughts very inspiring.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Carl</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"James M. Atkinson" <j..._at_tscm.com></I></B> wrote:=
</DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
http://news.icm.ac.uk/technology/1000-bugg=
ing-operations-a-day/<BR><BR>1000 bugging operations a day<BR><BR>Security =
services and other public bodies carry out up to 1000 <BR>bugging operation=
s every day in Britain.<BR><BR>The latest report from the Interception of C=
ommunications <BR>Commissioner has shown that security services and other p=
ublic bodies <BR>carry out up to 1000 bugging operations in Britain every d=
ay.<BR><BR>Written by Sir Paul Kennedy, a former Lord Justice of Appeal who=
took <BR>over as the spy watchdog in April 2006, the report covers bugging=
<BR>operations over a period of 264 days in 2006, during which time an <BR=
>average of 960 new applications for interception were made each day.<BR><B=
R>A total of 653 public bodies can lawfully request personal <BR>communicat=
ions data. They include every police force and prison and <BR>474 local aut=
horities as well as the security and intelligence <BR>agencies. A total of =
253,557 requests for such information were made <BR>in the last nine months=
of 2006, the latest figures available reveal.<BR><BR>Bugging is usually ca=
rried out by MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the police and <BR>most people are targeted=
on suspicion of terrorism or serious crime.<BR><BR>Senior council officers=
however are also given the power to authorise <BR>surveillance in order to=
catch fly-tippers, benefit fraudsters and <BR>rogue traders. In the nine m=
onths to the end of 2006, 122 councils <BR>sought to obtain private communi=
cations in more than 1,600 cases.<BR><BR>Communications data has provided c=
rucial evidence which has led to <BR>the arrest and conviction of kidnapper=
s, rapists and paedophiles, <BR>helped prevent murders and gather intellige=
nce on terrorism at home <BR>and abroad, the report stated.<BR><BR>On allow=
ing intercept evidence to be used in court, Sir Paul said: <BR>"At present,=
I am firmly of the opinion that the benefits of any <BR>change in the law =
are heavily outweighed by the disadvantages. With <BR>one exception, everyo=
ne to whom I have spoken in the course of my <BR>visits seems to be of the =
same opinion."<BR><BR>The director of public prosecutions, most MPs, some s=
enior police <BR>officers and human rights groups want the product of inter=
cepts to be <BR>admissible in criminal trials. They argue that such evidenc=
e would <BR>avoid the need for lengthy detention without trial.<BR><BR>The =
Conservatives and other groups including civil rights group <BR>Liberty hav=
e argued that permitting intercept evidence in court would <BR>help convict=
more terrorists, as well as other serious criminals.<BR><BR><BR>----------=
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---------------<BR>World Class, Professional, Ethical, and Competent Bug Sw=
eeps, and<BR>Wiretap Detection using Sophisticated Laboratory Grade Test Eq=
uipment.<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------<BR>James M. Atkinson Phone: (978) 546=
-3803<BR>Granite Island Group Fax: (978) 546-9467<BR>127 Eastern Avenue #29=
1 Web:
http://www.tscm.com/<BR>Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 E-mail: mailto:jm.=
.._at_tscm.com<BR>------------------------------------------------------------=
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