Off the grid

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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {4801} Off the grid
From: Georg Curnutt <wilden..._at_gmail.com>
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Hey, I live on the big island now, Hilo Hawaii. A lot of people are "off the
grid", and real experts at it. I think the whole US should strive to be as
off the grid as possible. Infrastructure is too vunerable no matter how it
is justified. Thanks for the info. Americans used to be proud of their self
reliance. We need to bring that trait back big time. Governments are money
and blood sucking lames!

Georg "WildEndeavor" Curnutt
1050 Bishop Street, Suite 112
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813-4210
Phone: 808 384-7897 (USA)

WildEndeavor.WordPress.com

On Mar 1, 2010 2:57 PM, "Its from Onion" <areda..._at_msn.com> wrote:

 Living off the grid. I send this out every now and again just to let folks
know that it can and is being done.

Onion



----- Original Message -----
*From:* chris <sola..._at_netmdc.com>
*To:* Its from Onion <areda..._at_msn.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:24 PM
*Subject:* Re: HAM QUESTION

what net was that? ok, i have been here since 1997, lived in a trailer for
a yr while getting the house going. this pic is abt 2 yrs old. now all
the panels are on a common rack with an electric motor tilt-er... my
word... homebrew from an old satellite dish drive.

my house is wired as a normal house (120 volt/ 220 volt service).. .it just
doesn't know there is big inverter supplying it. i retrofitted for 24/12
volts later but sure wish i had done that from the beginning..

chris/N3GAD
www.greenmountainsolar.com
solar, wind, backup power systems for the home and RV.


This is about Chris:

>From the Sacramento Mountains, Lincoln National Forest in southern New
Mexico. My off-grid home sits on 15 acres and is at 7,157 ft. I am about a
mile from the nearest power pole. It is nothing fancy, just 800+ square feet
consisting of 2 bedrooms and one bathroom. In the spring of 2003 I added a 2
car garage. It is warm and comfortable. It costs me about $20 a month for
the maintenance of the system, distilled water for the batteries, bleach for
the water tanks and propane. The exterior walls are built as a staggered
stud wall and are about 10 inches thick.

The walls have about R-40 and the attic has R-55. The foundations were dug
by hand, cement mixed by hand, 600 80 pound sacks- all in a wheelbarrow and
hand carried water. Work! A small propane wall furnace heats it along with a
woodstove. I cut the firewood right here by thinning the forest which is
extremely overgrown anyway. A small evaporative cooler cools the house in
summer with ease. The solar array puts out more power than the air
conditioner uses during sunny days so does not use the battery storage. My
power comes from a 475 Watt solar array on the roof. There are 6 panels of
77 watts each set at 40 degrees year round.

This is a compromise between February clouds and summer hail stones. It
works out. I also have a wind generator. It is a small (AIR-X) model, 3
bladed and 47 inch diameter and sits atop 95 ft of AB105 tower. Battery
storage is 4 L-16HC industrial batteries having a capacity of 415 amps at 28
volts and is fused with a 175 amp circuit breaker. Power for the radios/amp
is a pair of L16's and a 4 1/2 farad stiffening capacitor. This secondary
battery pulls from the mains through a 24 to 13.8 volt converter made by
Astron. When I am on the air I connect the 12 Volt battery and use it as a
buffer.

The capacitor is always charged. The batteries sit on a 4x4 ft sheet of
plywood over cement blocks. They are boxed in for warmth and vented to the
outside. The battery bank total weight is about 600 pounds. Adding water
usually takes 1/2 gallon. During clear weather most of the power comes from
the sun, however storm fronts, long winter nights and cloudy days tend to be
windy. Between the two sources of power I almost always receive more than
enough. During springtime and summer the wind generator is turned off most
of the time because it is not needed because of lots of sun. This prevents
wear and tear. AC power is provided by a TRACE DR-3624 inverter/charger.

Solar charge control is with an outback MX60 MPPT boost controller. This
controller can give as much as 25 percent more energy from a solar array. I
have a subaru powered 40 volt DC genset as backup but it is very rarely
used. I use a Staber clothes washer, a low-flow shower head and a 1.5 gallon
toilet to save water...saving water means pumping less, heating less and
getting rid of less. Lots of advantages. Water caught in the rain gutters
are directed into a 4 inch pipe that runs all the way around the house and
the garage. All 7 downspouts are connected and in a nice rain shower I can
catch 200 gallons in 15 minutes. I have seen 1500 gallons in one afternoon
but that is unusual.

I have 12,000 gallons of storage and is usually full or pretty close to it.
This water is great for washing clothes and flushing the toilet! Rainwater
contains no minerals so it takes less soap to get the clothes clean.
Refrigeration is a Sunfrost RF-12 and is super efficient. It runs off 24
volts directly from the battery bank. Some other things in my home using
homemade power include a microwave, toaster, Mr. coffee, hair dryer, laptop
computer, small copier/ printer, TV, VCR, DVD player, satellite receiver, FM
stereo/CD player, sewing machine, vacuum, washing machine, water pump, table
saw, drill press, shop-vac, air compressor, fans, cement mixer, compact
florescent lights, air purifier, etc. Just about everything a 'normal' house
would have.

It DOES work guys. There is no telephone service here so I rely on cellular
using a cell repeater that has a 8 element yagi pointing at a cell site that
is 8 miles away. My internet connection is via a pair of paraflector
antennas pointing at one another from a top secret location nearby. Driving
each antenna is an 802.11B Ethernet card and network hub. The system is
thrown together using Linksys gear. I would love to hear from other hams out
there interested in or already using solar.. 73



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<p>Hey, I live on the big island now, Hilo Hawaii. A lot of people are &quo=
t;off the grid&quot;, and real experts at it. I think the whole US should s=
trive to be as off the grid as possible. Infrastructure is too vunerable no=
 matter how it is justified. Thanks for the info. Americans used to be prou=
d of their self reliance. We need to bring that trait back big time. Govern=
ments are money and blood sucking lames!</p>

<p>Georg &quot;WildEndeavor&quot; Curnutt<br>
1050 Bishop Street, Suite 112<br>
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813-4210<br>
Phone: 808 384-7897 (USA)</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://WildEndeavor.WordPress.com">WildEndeavor.WordPress.com=
</a></p>
<p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 1, 2010 2:57 PM, &quot;Its from Onion&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:areda..._at_msn.com">areda..._at_msn.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br><br>





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<div>Living off the grid.=A0 I send this out every now and again just to le=
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folks know that it can and is being done.</div>
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<div>Onion</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:sola..._at_netmdc.com" href=3D"mailto:sol=
a..._at_netmdc.com" target=3D"_blank">chris</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mailto:areda..._at_msn.com" href=3D"mailto:areda..=
._at_msn.com" target=3D"_blank">Its from Onion</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:24 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: HAM QUESTION</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">what net was that?=A0=A0 ok, i have been here sin=
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1997, lived in a trailer for a yr while getting the house=20
going.=A0=A0=A0 this pic is abt 2 yrs old. now all the panels are on a=20
common rack with an electric motor tilt-er... my word...=A0 homebrew from a=
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old satellite dish drive.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">my house is wired as a normal house (120 volt/ 22=
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service).. .it just doesn&#39;t know there is big inverter supplying it.=A0=
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retrofitted for 24/12 volts later but sure wish i had done that from the=20
beginning..</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">chris/N3GAD</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"><a title=3D"http://www.greenmountainsolar.com/" h=
ref=3D"http://www.greenmountainsolar.com" target=3D"_blank">www.greenmounta=
insolar.com</a></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">solar, wind, backup power systems for the home an=
d=20
RV.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">This is about Chris:</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div>From the Sacramento Mountains, Lincoln National Forest in southern New=
=20
Mexico. My off-grid home sits on 15 acres and is at 7,157 ft. I am about a =
mile=20
from the nearest power pole. It is nothing fancy, just 800+ square feet=20
consisting of 2 bedrooms and one bathroom. In the spring of 2003 I added a =
2 car=20
garage. It is warm and comfortable. It costs me about $20 a month for the=
=20
maintenance of the system, distilled water for the batteries, bleach for th=
e=20
water tanks and propane. The exterior walls are built as a staggered stud w=
all=20
and are about 10 inches thick. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>The walls have about R-40 and the attic has R-55. The foundations were=
 dug=20
by hand, cement mixed by hand, 600 80 pound sacks- all in a wheelbarrow and=
 hand=20
carried water. Work! A small propane wall furnace heats it along with a=20
woodstove. I cut the firewood right here by thinning the forest which is=20
extremely overgrown anyway. A small evaporative cooler cools the house in s=
ummer=20
with ease. The solar array puts out more power than the air conditioner use=
s=20
during sunny days so does not use the battery storage. My power comes from =
a 475=20
Watt solar array on the roof. There are 6 panels of 77 watts each set at 40=
=20
degrees year round. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>This is a compromise between February clouds and summer hail stones. I=
t=20
works out. I also have a wind generator. It is a small (AIR-X) model, 3 bla=
ded=20
and 47 inch diameter and sits atop 95 ft of AB105 tower. Battery storage is=
 4=20
L-16HC industrial batteries having a capacity of 415 amps at 28 volts and i=
s=20
fused with a 175 amp circuit breaker. Power for the radios/amp is a pair of=
=20
L16&#39;s and a 4 1/2 farad stiffening capacitor. This secondary battery pu=
lls from=20
the mains through a 24 to 13.8 volt converter made by Astron. When I am on =
the=20
air I connect the 12 Volt battery and use it as a buffer. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>The capacitor is always charged. The batteries sit on a 4x4 ft sheet o=
f=20
plywood over cement blocks. They are boxed in for warmth and vented to the=
=20
outside. The battery bank total weight is about 600 pounds. Adding water us=
ually=20
takes 1/2 gallon. During clear weather most of the power comes from the sun=
,=20
however storm fronts, long winter nights and cloudy days tend to be windy.=
=20
Between the two sources of power I almost always receive more than enough.=
=20
During springtime and summer the wind generator is turned off most of the t=
ime=20
because it is not needed because of lots of sun. This prevents wear and tea=
r. AC=20
power is provided by a TRACE DR-3624 inverter/charger. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Solar charge control is with an outback MX60 MPPT boost controller. Th=
is=20
controller can give as much as 25 percent more energy from a solar array. I=
 have=20
a subaru powered 40 volt DC genset as backup but it is very rarely used. I =
use a=20
Staber clothes washer, a low-flow shower head and a 1.5 gallon toilet to sa=
ve=20
water...saving water means pumping less, heating less and getting rid of le=
ss.=20
Lots of advantages. Water caught in the rain gutters are directed into a 4 =
inch=20
pipe that runs all the way around the house and the garage. All 7 downspout=
s are=20
connected and in a nice rain shower I can catch 200 gallons in 15 minutes. =
I=20
have seen 1500 gallons in one afternoon but that is unusual. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I have 12,000 gallons of storage and is usually full or pretty close t=
o it.=20
This water is great for washing clothes and flushing the toilet! Rainwater=
=20
contains no minerals so it takes less soap to get the clothes clean.=20
Refrigeration is a Sunfrost RF-12 and is super efficient. It runs off 24 vo=
lts=20
directly from the battery bank. Some other things in my home using homemade=
=20
power include a microwave, toaster, Mr. coffee, hair dryer, laptop computer=
,=20
small copier/ printer, TV, VCR, DVD player, satellite receiver, FM stereo/C=
D=20
player, sewing machine, vacuum, washing machine, water pump, table saw, dri=
ll=20
press, shop-vac, air compressor, fans, cement mixer, compact florescent lig=
hts,=20
air purifier, etc. Just about everything a &#39;normal&#39; house would hav=
e. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>It DOES work guys. There is no telephone service here so I rely on cel=
lular=20
using a cell repeater that has a 8 element yagi pointing at a cell site tha=
t is=20
8 miles away. My internet connection is via a pair of paraflector antennas=
=20
pointing at one another from a top secret location nearby. Driving each ant=
enna=20
is an 802.11B Ethernet card and network hub. The system is thrown together =
using=20
Linksys gear. I would love to hear from other hams out there interested in =
or=20
already using solar.. 73 </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div>

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