Re: [TSCM-L] {4704} Eyeballing The Great Eastern Wind

From: Adam Stenseth <lyn..._at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:51:19 -0800
So would that apply to t-bills (treasury bonds) too?    I'm prett= y sure that's mostly what our sovereign debt holders have, not actual c= ash. 

...though ultimately, this plan seems like a really bad ide= a for any fiat currency.   No sane nation would hold their reserves in = a currency whose controller pulled this kind of crap.   Individuals in = the country in question would probably be legally mandated to use the curre= ncy, but enforcement would be borderline impossible; our black economy is h= uge already, and would blow up by orders of magnitude (bartering, trading i= n foreign currencies or precious metals or what have you, certainly not rep= orting or paying taxes). 

It's the sort of thing that produces post-soviet style failures of = nations, especially the international ramifications.    We're alr= eady 3rd world by some measures (principally relating to oligarchy & ec= onopolitical corruption), and this would cinch up whatever 1st world remnan= ts were left in no time.  

-adam

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:08 A= M, kondrak <kon= ..._at_phreaker.net> wrote:
Nixon addressed this years ago, and came up with a novel solution.
He printed billions of US dollars in pink currency, I saw it at a federal reserve bank I worked at. Pallets of the stuff, tons.
If you have US currency OUTSIDE the country, you must declare it, and be paid in the new currency, they may only pay you 10c on the dollar. Inside the country, the old stuff and new stuff would be at face value until the drop-dead date.. This would force organized crime to pay taxes, and declare their  cash before the drop-dead date. After that greenbacks would be worthless outside the US. We can do the same with China, but just once. Youve got $3 trillion, now you have 500 billion, or $30,000 whatever we decide.
Of course, this never happened, as the drug mafia said they would kill Nixon if he did that.

Adam Stenseth wrote:
So China is a MAD-relevant power now.   That&= #39;s significant, but I honestly doubt even Taiwan is worth causing apocalypse for them; it just means the US can't wave the nuke stick at them with impunity.   

I suspect they're far more likely to sink us economically.   Though doing that without substantially diversifying trade partners would severely impact the economic growth that the central government counts on to hold power, which would destabilize the country.   That might leave weapons that could reach north america in the hands of people with less to lose (or a poorer grasp of the consequences, even). 

But it's not like the situation with Russia & the Ukraine (Russia being so dependent on the Ukraine for trade & agriculture that Ukraine joining NATO puts Russia in a subjugation-or-death scenario).    What I'm interested to know is how flexible our agi= ng long-range strategic arsenal is; eg, can the guy at the console on the boat aim the missile at Beijing instead of Moscow, or does it take an SLBM tech at Bangor with a soldering iron and an EEPROM writer an hour per MIRV to re-aim every one?

-a

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:51 PM, James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com> wrote:
Here is one of the projects I am working on:

http://ma= ps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=113906739083729317497= .00047ededec590e546097

The project is to analyze and label all Chinese Strategic Nuclear Facilities, and calculate the approximate number of bombers, fighters, submarines, rail mounted, and land mobile nuclear weapons and support facilities.

The maps have multiple pages, each containing details pictures of things that both the U.S. and Chinese Government keeps trying to downplay. The Chinese government has way, way more long range destruction capability then the U.S. Government has been talking about. This is a work in progress, and it is incomplete... but more complete then most of what the U.S. Government has openly published on the matter.

"The Great Eastern Wind" is the name of the long range Chinese nu= clear weapons program dating back into the late 70's that has much further along of late then most realize, and which they dedicate more yearly budget then any other program.

What is interesting is that right now China can turn most major cities in Australia into a smoking cinder, and could inflict significant damage to the continental United States, and over the upcoming three years they will be able to convert any major U.S. city into a smoking cinder with far more devastation then the Soviets were ever capable of.

Sad part is that the huge budget diversion for this program is over ten year old, with the largest facilities being built out starting seven years ago, with Chinese nuclear submarines (nuclear propulsion and weaponry) working off the coasts of Seattle, Los Angles, Virginia, and New York with impunity.

An aging, bearded Saudi national with bad kidneys, and a fetish for date and goat cheese, cowering  in a cave in Afghanistan is not what we should be concerned about at all.

The DF-31A, DF-31B, DF-41A (land and rail mobile 8K67), and Ju Lang-2 facilities have been online and working 24 hours per day for years. The 8K67 themselves do not appear to be made in China, and are likely Ukraine in origin. The "Eastern Wind, #5" (DF-5) missiles appear = to still be well maintained given their age and huge size.

So far I have counted over 60 DF-31 rail based launchers (over half of these may be DF-31A), and at least 18 more DF-41A on truck based launchers, and these new missiles fairly small and movable.

There are over 192 JL-2 SLBM missiles, but the storage facilitates and manning are suited for over 670 missiles with warheads.

The DF-41 is the new 6 ea,100 kT warhead multi-reentry vehicle ICBMs (600-800 kT overall yield) that and being carted around the country-side by rail, with a few land mobile/truck based launchers.

The move from a silo based strategic missile system to one that is rail and submarine based in a interesting change.

-jma

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