Re: [TSCM-L] {2050} Re: cell phones from James Greenwold on 2007-10-10 (file.mbox)

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From: "Victor Fodeke" <vicf..._at_gmail.com>
To: TSCM-L2006_at_googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {2042} Re: cell phones
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*Pls help me out James, out of this dilema called cell phone. Does anyone
have practical balance of necessity and avoiding being profile and tracked
through a legitimate use of cell phones. Pls forward practical steps to
take-
*
*Victor writes
*
On 10/9/07, James M. Atkinson <jm..._at_tscm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> One of the most revealing tings to do for a
> client is to hardwire their cell phone directly
> into your spectrum analyzer and leave it hooked
> up for 24 hours. Also, do the same thing with a
> spectrum analyses inside their vehicle (one
> hardwired into the main inlet to the breaker
> panel, and the second to a broadband antenna
> placed in the middle of the passenger
> compartment). Leave both in-place for 24 hours,
> you will have some very troubling data sets to review.
>
> I have seen cell-phones that were turned off
> check in with the cell phone company every 15
> minutes to 2 hours, and also a cell phone that
> was not on a call silently get accessed by the
> cell-phone company and the software in the phone
> replaced over the air (without the customers knowledge or consent).
>
> -jma
>
>
>
>
> At 12:40 PM 10/8/2007, kondrak wrote:
>
> >You are correct about the messages James. They are stored on the switch,
> >and held until the phone makes contact and handshakes with it.
> >Obviously, one does not want his or her SMS messages lost, so if say the
> >battery went dead, the data needs to be preserved until a proper
> >download can be performed.
> >And right you are, the only way to keep the phone from communications
> >with the switch is to remove the battery. Ive had my C-phone talk to the
> >switch even when turned off. I can see the disruption on my computer
> >screen as it transmits. Even shutting the phone off isn't enough, it may
> >be taking location way-points, and storing to send to the switch next
> >time it communicates, essentially giving them the ability to track you
> >in "near real" time. I keep a tin mint box and put the phone in it when
> >I want it disabled but dont want to take the trouble of removing the
> >battery, (as when Im driving). The GPS could then only have the last fix
> >and then the next fix, as it would be shielded from satellite access, or
> >arrival time triangularation at the base stations.
> >Its all something to keep in mind, as ANY technology thats been
> >developed, WILL be abused.
> >
> >James Greenwold wrote:
> > > Just to come down on the side of logic, I have to point out that if
> > > there is no battery in your phone, it is not going to do anything
> > > including give location information. (Assuming that the phone is off
> > > the shelf and not a hidden battery in it somewhere.)
> > >
> > > As far as the messages you may have received while the phone is off, =
I
> > > think you might find that the messages were kept on the server at the
> > > phone company. And when you turn your phone on in the morning, the
> hand
> > > shake with the service downloads the flag that says you have messages=
.
> > >
> > > Now I am sure that you know this, and this is probably just a joke,
> but
> > > some may think you are serious.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time
> > >
> > > James Greenwold
> > > Bureau Of Technical Services
> > > 715-726-1400
> > >
> > > b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com
> > >
> > >
> > > *From: *David-john Robinson <david_joh..._at_hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > *Reply-To: *TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> > > *Date: *Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:11:33 +0000
> > > *To: *<tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com>
> > > *Subject: *[TSCM-L] {2032} Re: cell phones
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just. think about it for a second. You turn your cell phone off
> and
> > > go to sleep. When you wake up there is a message , missed call, s=
o
> > > yes even when the phone is off it still
> > sends a signal saying I am here.
> > > I hear what people are saying about defeating it , but as soon as
> > > you use the phone , there is your location big and bold. SO best
> way
> > > to defeat it , don,t use a cell phone , the world still goes on ,
> > > try it.
> > > By the way, it is technically very easy to intercept the signal ,
> > > hear both sides of the call and via triangulation , get a
> location.
> > > In USA you can do this for pennies from radio shack, here in UK a
> > > bit harder and more expensive because of rolling algorithms and
> high
> > > end encryption. BUT be warned , if you do it you will be caught
> and
> > > be imprisoned immediatly.This is not for PIs and wanabes.
> > > If you are being tracked via your cell phone ask yourself who
> would
> > > do it , and is it worth upsetting them , my answer no.
> > > Best regards David J Robinson +44 (0)1985 300 179
> > > CEO
> > > Department Q
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: [TSCM-L] {2025} Re: cell phones
> > > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 06:47:40 -0500
> > > From: Ed.St..._at_compucom.com
> > > To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > I have found the easiest way to solve a problem is to watch
> > > those most impacted by it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When my techs were leaving the job =B3early=B2, they put the=
ir
> cell
> > > phones in a metal box to block incoming and outgoing signals
> > > (GPS & Cell)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Worked Well !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Valos
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:24 AM
> > > *To:* TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> > > *Subject:* [TSCM-L] {2023} cell phones
> > >
> > > questions;
> > >
> > > i have been told that you can be followed if you have your
> cell
> > > phone on you or near by as someone can track you via the gps
> > > system contained within....is this correct ?
> > >
> > > also if you turn off the phone and REMOVE the battery i have
> > > also been told they can still follow you somehow is this also
> > > true.......
> > >
> > > is there any way to FIGHT THIS OR DISABLE THIS WITHOUT THE
> OTHER
> > > PARTY KNOWING IT.....
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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<div>Pls help me out James, out of this dil=
ema called cell phone. Does anyone have practical balance of necessity and =
avoiding being profile and tracked through a legitimate use of cell ph=
ones. Pls forward practical steps to take-  
  </div>
<div>Victor writes </div=
>
<div>On 10/9/07, =
James M. Atkinson <<a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com">jm..._at_tscm.com<=
/a>> wrote:
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> One of the most reve=
aling tings to do for a client is to hardwire their cell phone directly
 into your spectrum analyzer and leave it hooked up for 24 hours. Als=
o, do the same thing with a spectrum analyses inside their vehicle (one<=
br>hardwired into the main inlet to the breaker panel, and the second to=
a broadband antenna
 placed in the middle of the passenger compartment). Leave both in-pl=
ace for 24 hours, you will have some very troubling data sets to review.=
 I have seen cell-phones that were turned off check in with the c=
ell phone company every 15
 minutes to 2 hours, and also a cell phone that was not on a call sil=
ently get accessed by the cell-phone company and the software in the pho=
ne replaced over the air (without the customers knowledge or consent).
 -jma At 12:40 PM 10/8/2007, kondrak wrote: <b=
r>>You are correct about the messages James. They are stored on the swit=
ch, >and held until the phone makes contact and handshakes with it.
 >Obviously, one does not want his or her SMS messages lost, so if sa=
y the >battery went dead, the data needs to be preserved until a prop=
er >download can be performed. >And right you are, the only way=
to keep the phone from communications
 >with the switch is to remove the battery. Ive had my C-phone talk t=
o the >switch even when turned off. I can see the disruption on my co=
mputer >screen as it transmits. Even shutting the phone off isn't=
enough, it may
 >be taking location way-points, and storing to send to the switch ne=
xt >time it communicates, essentially giving them the ability to trac=
k you >in "near real" time. I keep a tin mint box and put t=
he phone in it when
 >I want it disabled but dont want to take the trouble of removing th=
e >battery, (as when Im driving). The GPS could then only have the la=
st fix >and then the next fix, as it would be shielded from satellite=
access, or
 >arrival time triangularation at the base stations. >Its all s=
omething to keep in mind, as ANY technology thats been >developed, WI=
LL be abused. > >James Greenwold wrote: > > Just to co=
me down on the side of logic, I have to point out that if
 > > there is no battery in your phone, it is not going to do anyt=
hing > > including give location information.  (Assuming=
that the phone is off > > the shelf and not a hidden battery in i=
t somewhere.)
 > > > > As far as the messages you may have received whi=
le the phone is off, I > > think you might find that the messages =
were kept on the server at the > > phone company.  And w=
hen you turn your phone on in the morning, the hand
 > > shake with the service downloads the flag that says you have =
messages. > > > > Now I am sure that you know this, and t=
his is probably just a joke, but > > some may think you are seriou=
s.
 > > -- > > > > Thank you for your time > =
> > > James Greenwold > > Bureau Of Technical Services=
 > > 715-726-1400 > > > > <a href=3D"mailto:b...=
_at_tacticalsurveillance.com">
b..._at_tacticalsurveillance.com</a> > > > > > > *F=
rom: *David-john Robinson <<a href=3D"mailto:david_joh..._at_hotmail.com">d=
avid_joh..._at_hotmail.com</a>> > > > >   =
  *Reply-To: *
<a href=3D"mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a><=
br>> >     *Date: *Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:11:33 +0000=
 > >     *To: *<<a href=3D"mailto:tscm-..._at_=
googlegroups.com">tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com
</a>> > >     *Subject: *[TSCM-L] {2032} Re=
: cell phones > > > > > > > > &nbs=
p;   Just. think about it for a second. You turn your cell phone =
off and > >     go to sleep. When you wake up =
there is a message , missed call, so
 > >     yes even when the phone is off it sti=
ll > sends a signal saying I am here. > >   &=
nbsp; I hear what people are saying about defeating it , but as soon as =
> >     you use the phone , there is your locatio=
n big and bold. SO best way
 > >     to defeat it , don,t use a cell phone=
, the world still goes on , > >     try it.<b=
r>> >     By the way, it is technically very easy=
to intercept the signal , > >     hear both s=
ides of the call and via triangulation , get a location.
 > >     In USA you can do this for pennies fr=
om radio shack, here in UK a > >     bit harde=
r and more expensive because of rolling algorithms and high > >&nb=
sp;    end encryption. BUT be warned , if you do it you will=
be caught and
 > >     be imprisoned immediatly.This is not =
for PIs and wanabes. > >     If you are being =
tracked via your cell phone ask yourself who would > >  =
   do it , and is it worth upsetting them , my answer no.
 > >     Best regards David J Robinson +44 (0)=
1985 300 179 > >     CEO > > &nb=
sp;   Department Q > > > > > > >=
> > > > > > > > >
 > >     Subject: [TSCM-L] {2025} Re: cell pho=
nes > >     Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 06:47:40 -05=
00 > >     From: <a href=3D"mailto:Ed.St..._at_co=
mpucom.com">Ed.St..._at_compucom.com</a> > >     =
To:=20
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ve found the easiest way to solve a problem is to watch > > &=
nbsp;       those most impacted by it. &gt=
; > > > > > > >     =
    When my techs were leaving the job =B3early=B2, &nb=
sp;they put their cell
 > >         phones in a m=
etal box to block incoming and outgoing signals > >  &nb=
sp;      (GPS & Cell) > > > &gt=
; > > > >        =
Worked Well ! > > > > 
> > > >         Ed<b=
r>> > > > > > > >    &=
nbsp;    *From:* <a href=3D"mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com=
">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a> > >     &=
nbsp;   [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">
TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com</a>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Valos > > &=
nbsp;       *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 20=
07 11:24 AM > >         *T=
o:* <a href=3D"mailto:TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com">TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
</a> > >         *Subject:=
* [TSCM-L] {2023} cell phones > > > >   &n=
bsp;     questions; > > > > &nbs=
p;       i have been told that you can be fol=
lowed if you have your cell > >     &nbsp=
;   phone on you or near by as someone can track you via the gps
 > >         system contai=
ned within....is this correct ? > > > >   =
      also if you turn off the phone and REMOVE th=
e battery i have > >       &nbs=
p; also been told they can still follow you somehow is this also
 > >         true.......<b=
r>> > > >         is=
there any way to FIGHT THIS OR DISABLE THIS WITHOUT THE OTHER > >=
         PARTY KNOWING IT..... &=
gt; > > >         thank=
s > >
 > >         tom > &=
gt; > > > > > > > > > > &gt=
; > > > > > > > -----------------------=
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