Re: [TSCM-L] Re: Federal judge orders end to wiretap program - Says governments listening in without warrant is unconstitutional

From: kondrak <kon..._at_phreaker.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:22:04 -0400
Even simpler than that James, they will simply make the project go black, like they did Felon Poindexter's TIA program, and it will go on unimpeded. Once the JBT's taste Draconian power, they never give it up. Our rights are gone forever, they don't give a rat's rectum about some judge, it will just be moved off radar, and out of judicial perview now.


At 15:20 8/17/2006, you wrote:

This is one of those cases w= here the Plaintiff's need to bang their heads against the wall.

I applaud their efforts, and I am proud of them for doing the right thing and standing up for our collective rights.

But I have to point out that only went after the NSA, and that the order only tells the ***NSA*** to pull the plug, doesn't order AT&T, QWEST, MCI, Tyco, Sprint, et al to pull the plug, does not tell DCI to pull the plug, fails to mention DHS, or the FBI, etc. All that AT&T needs to do is start routing the intercepted data to an agency different from the NSA to be compliant with the judges order, they could just as easily route the illegally incepted data streams to a DOD facility, or DCI facility. Olney could also handle the data as it is outside of the NSA charter. If you really want to split hairs (or fiber as it were) then the order should have directed not only against the RBOC's, and Long Lines companies, but also the underseas cable companies like Tyco, and to the military facilities that act as host for several of the agencies that do the initial minimization screening of the East coast intercepts such as McGuire AFB, Ft. Dix, and Ft. Monmouth in the name of homeland security. (Note: The information about McGuire, Dix, and Monmouth being used is already in the public domain and thus is not classified, just seriously embarrassing to the companies involved.)

The order needs to be expanded to cover these other agencies as well, and strong punitive actions need to be taken against all involved.

-jma






At 04:49 PM 8/17/2006, John Young wrote:

The judge's order and memora= ndum opinion telling NSA to
shut down the illegal operation:


http://cryptome.org/aclu-nsa.pdf (46 pages)

Hooray -- for now.



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