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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:20:22 -0400
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From: "James M. Atkinson"
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: Federal judge orders end to wiretap program -
Says governments listening in without warrant is unconstitutional
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This is one of those cases where the Plaintiff's need to bang their
heads against the wall.
I applaud their efforts, and I am proud of them for doing the right
thing and standing up for our collective rights.
But I have to point out that only went after the NSA, and that the
order only tells the ***NSA*** to pull the plug, doesn't order AT&T,
QWEST, MCI, Tyco, Sprint, et al to pull the plug, does not tell DCI
to pull the plug, fails to mention DHS, or the FBI, etc. All that
AT&T needs to do is start routing the intercepted data to an agency
different from the NSA to be compliant with the judges order, they
could just as easily route the illegally incepted data streams to a
DOD facility, or DCI facility. Olney could also handle the data as it
is outside of the NSA charter. If you really want to split hairs (or
fiber as it were) then the order should have directed not only
against the RBOC's, and Long Lines companies, but also the underseas
cable companies like Tyco, and to the military facilities that act as
host for several of the agencies that do the initial minimization
screening of the East coast intercepts such as McGuire AFB, Ft. Dix,
and Ft. Monmouth in the name of homeland security. (Note: The
information about McGuire, Dix, and Monmouth being used is already in
the public domain and thus is not classified, just seriously
embarrassing to the companies involved.)
The order needs to be expanded to cover these other agencies as well,
and strong punitive actions need to be taken against all involved.
-jma
At 04:49 PM 8/17/2006, John Young wrote:
>The judge's order and memorandum opinion telling NSA to
>shut down the illegal operation:
>
>
>http://cryptome.org/aclu-nsa.pdf (46 pages)
>
>Hooray -- for now.
We Hunt Spies, We Stop Espionage, We Kill Bugs, and We Plug Leaks.
James M. Atkinson, President and Sr. Engineer
Granite Island Group
127 Eastern Avenue #291
Gloucester, MA 01930-8008
Phone: (978) 546-3803
Fax: (978) 546-9467
Web: http://www.tscm.com/
E-Mail: jm...@tscm.com
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This is one of those cases where the Plaintiff's need to bang their heads
against the wall.
I applaud their efforts, and I am proud of them for doing the right thing
and standing up for our collective rights.
But I have to point out that only went after the NSA, and that the order
only tells the ***NSA*** to pull the plug, doesn't order AT&T, QWEST,
MCI, Tyco, Sprint, et al to pull the plug, does not tell DCI to pull the
plug, fails to mention DHS, or the FBI, etc. All that AT&T needs to
do is start routing the intercepted data to an agency different from the
NSA to be compliant with the judges order, they could just as easily
route the illegally incepted data streams to a DOD facility, or DCI
facility. Olney could also handle the data as it is outside of the NSA
charter. If you really want to split hairs (or fiber as it were) then the
order should have directed not only against the RBOC's, and Long Lines
companies, but also the underseas cable companies like Tyco, and to the
military facilities that act as host for several of the agencies that do
the initial minimization screening of the East coast intercepts such as
McGuire AFB, Ft. Dix, and Ft. Monmouth in the name of homeland security.
(Note: The information about McGuire, Dix, and Monmouth being used is
already in the public domain and thus is not classified, just seriously
embarrassing to the companies involved.)
The order needs to be expanded to cover these other agencies as well, and
strong punitive actions need to be taken against all involved.
-jma
At 04:49 PM 8/17/2006, John Young wrote:
The judge's order and memora=
ndum
opinion telling NSA to
shut down the illegal operation:
http://cryptome.org/aclu-nsa.pdf (46 pages)
Hooray -- for now.
We Hunt Spies, We Stop Espionage, We Ki=
ll
Bugs, and We Plug Leaks.
James M. Atkinson, President and Sr. Engineer
Granite Island Group
127 Eastern Avenue #291
Gloucester, MA 01930-8008
Phone: (978) 546-3803
Fax: (978) 546-9467
Web: http://www.tscm.com/
E-Mail: jm...@tscm.com
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