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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:16:54 -0400
To: TSCM-L2006_at_googlegroups.com
From: "James M. Atkinson"
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] Re: Extensive Spying Found At HP
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The cost would have run about $2500 per target, per month. Estimate
35 known targets, 120 days/4 months of records of each (landline,
cell phone, ISP). Initial bill of $350,000 for the initial data
acquisition. Could be less if the pre-texter needed the money, or if
they were sloppy. If the pre-texter was an amateur (which is
unlikely), the cost could have been under $15k, possibly even less then 5k.
Then 4 hours per target for analysis for the link charts and
preparation for the initial traffic charts into i2 software,and
generation of the initial reports. (4 hours per target, times 35
targets = 140 man hours, times $150 per hour for an analyst = $21,000
for the initial analysis). Again if the PI/Pre-texter/Analyst need
the money HP could have gotten all the analysis work done for peanuts.
The second round of pre-texting, to expand the intelligence would
have cost as much as the original project, but would have turned up
phone accounts under aliases, accounts in the names of second tier
relatives, etc... and then of course the analysis and charting of the
second round. I suspect that HP did not have a second round of
analysis work performed.
At some point there would have to be a report made to the end client,
and the prep of this final report would have added a few more dollars
to the project.
You can also count that everybody who passed the project to the
client would have added the obligatory 30% to the bill, so that the
end client is paying 4 times higher just do to 5 rounds of markups by
the middlemen involved. If the middlemen were shrewd then their
profits on a project like this could be 30 times or more, so that
this one project would profit them 300-400k.
HP could have paid as little as 10-15k for the whole project, or they
could have paid over a cool million.
-jma
At 11:00 PM 9/21/2006, Reginald Curtis wrote:
>Does anyone want to venture a figure for what the known activity in
>this investigation might have cost HP. It seems that there was more
>than a few people involved a heck of a lot of man hours invested. I
>always thought that this extensive an investigation was limited to
>outfits like the FBI.
>
>Reg Curtis
>
>From: d..._at_geer.org
>Reply-To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
>To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
>Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Extensive Spying Found At HP
>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:40:04 -0400
> > >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/19/AR2006091901632.html
> >
> >Leaks of this sort, if not addressed, seem likely
> >to have resulted a different hearing but a hearing
> >nonetheless. This really does look like damned if
> >you do, damned if you don't. I suspect that if I
> >had to chose between knowingly violating the Securities
> >and Exchange Act by doing nothing versus paying
> >someone to risk violating the ill-defined privacy
> >rights of someone in a position to hurt me and
> >almost surely already hurting me, I might well
> >have chosen the risk of doing something over the
> >risk of doing nothing.
> >
> >One never knows.
> >
> >--dan
> >
> >
> >
>
We Hunt Spies, We Stop Espionage, We Kill Bugs, and We Plug Leaks.
James M. Atkinson, President and Sr. Engineer
Granite Island Group
127 Eastern Avenue #291
Gloucester, MA 01930-8008
Phone: (978) 546-3803
Fax: (978) 546-9467
Web: http://www.tscm.com/
E-Mail: jm...@tscm.com
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The cost would have run about $2500 per target, per month. Estimate 35
known targets, 120 days/4 months of records of each (landline, cell
phone, ISP). Initial bill of $350,000 for the initial data acquisition.
Could be less if the pre-texter needed the money, or if they were sloppy.
If the pre-texter was an amateur (which is unlikely), the cost could have
been under $15k, possibly even less then 5k.
Then 4 hours per target for analysis for the link charts and preparation
for the initial traffic charts into i2 software,and generation of the
initial reports. (4 hours per target, times 35 targets = 140 man hours,
times $150 per hour for an analyst = $21,000 for the initial analysis).
Again if the PI/Pre-texter/Analyst need the money HP could have gotten
all the analysis work done for peanuts.
The second round of pre-texting, to expand the intelligence would have
cost as much as the original project, but would have turned up phone
accounts under aliases, accounts in the names of second tier relatives,
etc... and then of course the analysis and charting of the second round.
I suspect that HP did not have a second round of analysis work
performed.
At some point there would have to be a report made to the end client, and
the prep of this final report would have added a few more dollars to the
project.
You can also count that everybody who passed the project to the client
would have added the obligatory 30% to the bill, so that the end client
is paying 4 times higher just do to 5 rounds of markups by the middlemen
involved. If the middlemen were shrewd then their profits on a project
like this could be 30 times or more, so that this one project would
profit them 300-400k.
HP could have paid as little as 10-15k for the whole project, or they
could have paid over a cool million.
-jma
At 11:00 PM 9/21/2006, Reginald Curtis wrote:
Does anyone want to venture a
figure for what the known activity in this investigation might have cost
HP. It seems that there was more than a few people involved a heck of a
lot of man hours invested. I always thought that this extensive an
investigation was limited to outfits like the FBI.
Reg Curtis
From: d..._at_geer.org
Reply-To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
Subject: [TSCM-L] Re: Extensive Spying Found At HP
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:40:04 -0400
> >
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/19/AR2006091901632.html
>
>Leaks of this sort, if not addressed, seem likely
>to have resulted a different hearing but a hearing
>nonetheless. This really does look like damned if
>you do, damned if you don't. I suspect that if I
>had to chose between knowingly violating the Securities
>and Exchange Act by doing nothing versus paying
>someone to risk violating the ill-defined privacy
>rights of someone in a position to hurt me and
>almost surely already hurting me, I might well
>have chosen the risk of doing something over the
>risk of doing nothing.
>
>One never knows.
>
>--dan
>
>
>
We Hunt Spies, We Stop Espionage, We Kill
Bugs, and We Plug Leaks.
James M. Atkinson, President and Sr. Engineer
Granite Island Group
127 Eastern Avenue #291
Gloucester, MA 01930-8008
Phone: (978) 546-3803
Fax: (978) 546-9467
Web: http://www.tscm.com/
E-Mail: jm...@tscm.com
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