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If you can't compete in the marketplace then get a patent and then block th=
e product. Banking regulation was there to protect people from the bank fa=
ilures of the depression, we relaxed the regulations and we bailed out the =
banks to stave off another depression. Put the regulation back, legislators=
! Oops, I forgot they paid for the advertising to get you re-elected.
9/11 was something catastrophic, but look at the civil liberties you gave u=
p, in the illusion of being 'safe' Israel has had hostile neighbors and ter=
rorist acts acted on their state since its inception, yet they have much mo=
re civil liberties than most Americans, that were supposed to be protected =
from the state by the constitution. The constitution and laws that violate =
it are subject to the current rulings of the "Men in Black", who as duly ap=
pointed members by the government tend to side with the current government =
more often than not.
After Dec 7th, 1941, the Japanese were interned and suffered loss of proper=
ty and their civil rights, other enemy aliens or American citizens from Ene=
my States were not subjected to such abuse. Much easier to hide a spy when =
you can't tell by using your eyes to narrow your search.
James, has the appellate court agreed to see your action. I'm guessing the=
lower courts rejected it.
David Johnson
From: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com] On Behal=
f Of Its from Onion
Sent: May-19-12 12:59 AM
To: tscm-l2006
Subject: RE: [TSCM-L] {6163} China mobile
The way of the world is as you say, 'too far gone'. Something catastrophic=
will have to happen before any meaningful change could hope to happen.
-O
________________________________
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {6160} China mobile
From: a..._at_packetknife.com<mailto:a..._at_packetknife.com>
To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com<mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com>
Really though - we can complain and tell people but the situations are too =
far gone and integrated to undo per se. Likewise the network of espionage, =
back room deals, bankers, etc. have been equivalently hostile to "transpare=
ncy" for many more decades than fiber was laid.
I'm wondering why people don't get better educated on just flat-out competi=
ng. Increasingly "competing" is about b*tching about who is playing unfairl=
y. I'm not sure that's a winning line of thought..
How do we get THAT message across? -Ali
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Its from Onion <areda..._at_msn.com<mailto:a=
reda..._at_msn.com>> wrote:
Yep, and now they are coming in the front door. If you think that yellow i=
s meek, then the verse, '...the meek will inherent the earth...' just might=
hit home.
Just saying.
BTW, congrats on kicking their asses! Can you file a counter suit? Be nic=
e to recoup some expenses...
-O
________________________________
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:44:42 -0400
From: jm..._at_tscm.com<mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com>
To: tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com<mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {6155} China mobile
I have to tell people this but China has has backdoors in our fiber optics =
infrastructures for years, and have massively elaborate tie-in facilities i=
n the United States and abroad.
-jma
Its from Onion wrote:
WASHINGTON -- Concerned about possible cyber-spying, U.S. national security=
officials are debating whether to take the unprecedented step of recommend=
ing that a Chinese government-owned mobile phone giant be denied a license =
to offer international service to American customers.
China Mobile, the world's largest mobile provider, applied in October for a=
license from the Federal Communications Commission to provide service betw=
een China and the United States and to build facilities on American soil.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">If you can’t compe=
te in the marketplace then get a patent and then block the product. B=
anking regulation was there to protect people from the bank failures of the=
depression, we relaxed the regulations and we
bailed out the banks to stave off another depression. Put the regulation b=
ack, legislators! Oops, I forgot they paid for the advertising to get you r=
e-elected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">9/11 was something catas=
trophic, but look at the civil liberties you gave up, in the illusion of be=
ing ‘safe’ Israel has had hostile neighbors and terrorist acts =
acted on their state since its inception, yet they
have much more civil liberties than most Americans, that were supposed to =
be protected from the state by the constitution. The constitution and laws =
that violate it are subject to the current rulings of the “Men in Bla=
ck”, who as duly appointed members by
the government tend to side with the current government more often than no=
t. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">After Dec 7<sup>th</sup>=
, 1941, the Japanese were interned and suffered loss of property and their =
civil rights, other enemy aliens or American citizens from Enemy States wer=
e not subjected to such abuse. Much
easier to hide a spy when you can’t tell by using your eyes to narro=
w your search.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">James, has the appellate=
court agreed to see your action. I’m guessing the lower courts=
rejected it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:black">David Johnson<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>=
</p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",&qu=
ot;sans-serif""> tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com [mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegrou=
ps.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Its from Onion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-19-12 12:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> tscm-l2006<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TSCM-L] {6163} China mobile<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The way of the world is as you say, 'too far gone'. =
Something catastrophic will have to happen before any meaningful chan=
ge could hope to happen.<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"T=
ahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">-O<br id=3D"FontBreak=
">
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-s=
erif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"stopSpelling">
</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif"">Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:57:46 -0400<br=
>
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {6160} China mobile<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:a..._at_packetknife.com">a..._at_packetknife.com</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com">tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com<=
/a><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",&quo=
t;sans-serif"">Really though - we can complain and tell people but the=
situations are too far gone and integrated to undo per se. Likewise the ne=
twork of espionage, back room deals, bankers, etc. have
been equivalently hostile to "transparency" for many more decade=
s than fiber was laid.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">I'm wondering why people don't get bett=
er educated on just flat-out competing. Increasingly "competing" =
is about b*tching about who is playing unfairly. I'm not sure that's
a winning line of thought..</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif"">How do we get THAT message across? -Ali=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif"">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Its fr=
om Onion <<a href=3D"mailto:areda..._at_msn.com">areda..._at_msn.com</a>> w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yep, and now they are coming in the front door. &nbs=
p;If you think that yellow is meek, then the verse, '...the meek will =
inherent the earth...' just might hit home.<span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saying.<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW, congrats on kicking their asses! Can you =
file a counter suit? Be nice to recoup some expenses...&nbs=
p;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans=
-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-O<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ta=
homa","sans-serif"">Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:44:42 -0400<br=
>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:jm..._at_tscm.com">jm..._at_tscm.com</a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com">tscm-..._at_googlegroups.com<=
/a><br>
Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {6155} China mobile<br>
<br>
I have to tell people this but China has has backdoors in our fiber optics =
infrastructures for years, and have massively elaborate tie-in facilities i=
n the United States and abroad.<br>
<br>
-jma<br>
<br>
Its from Onion wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:13.5pt;ver=
tical-align:top;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:-moz-use=
-text-color;list-style-position:outside">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-=
serif";color:#383838">WASHINGTON -- Concerned about possible cyber-spy=
ing, U.S. national security officials are debating whether to take the unpr=
ecedented step of recommending that a Chinese government-owned
mobile phone giant be denied a license to offer international service to A=
merican customers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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