Re: David Slays Goltiah from Aguadilla 94-98 on 2009-05-31 (file.mbox)

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Subject: Re: [TSCM-L] {3728} Re: {3725} Re: David Slays Goltiah
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It is actually way, way worse then any of that.

In this case the Coast Guard had absolutely no
idea what they wanted, and now idea hwo the
describe what they wanted, or how to design, or even describe what they wan=
ted.

Instead the went to a contractor, and the
contractor went to a foreign country and asked
THEM what kind of a ship they would like, and
then the contractor came back to the CG and told
then that it will cost X number of dollars to
design and build the ships, when in fact the
actual customer was a foreign government. This is
the "big project", and it involved Vertical take
off UAV's and a ship that can launch and control
the UAV's (otherwise known as a "National Security Cutter").

Then in order to fund that rather large project
the contractor agrees to take some exhibiting
boats that were getting on in years, chop then in
half, weld in an extension, add in a host of new,
albeit highly defective electronics, fake the
certification testing, and then try to BS their
way into getting paid. The huge problem is that
the ships started breaking apart and were in the
process of converting themselves into
burial-at-sea coffins when the CG shut them down
and towed them into port. In fact the ships were
all in such bad shape that they had to evacuate
the crews, and tow them in s-l-o-w-l-y or risk then sinking at sea.

The Coast Guard of course immediately went into a
public relation spin, but hey made a rather grave
miscalculation. It seems that the "ships breaking
up at seas" scenario was not the biggest problem,
but rather the ships were leaking in other
ways... way that the Coast Guard had zero ways of
detecting, but which other agencies had detected
and documented, but which the CG just completely ignored.

Congress stepped in, and quite promptly both the
CG and the contractors responsible lied about
what was going on, but Congress pushed, and
pushed, and pushed and they were finally able to
get information out the highly uncooperative CG
that proven that the modified ships were letting
water in and secrets out. The CG blamed the
contractors, the contractors blamed Congress, and Congress blamed the CG.

As time marched forward Congress never told the
CG to stop spending money like a drunken sailor
on shore leave, but rather cut the budget a small
amount, and the CG continued of their spending
rampage. They take delivery of yet another deeply
flawed ship, and a seriously incomplete one at
that. Then the CG cancels the most important
mission of the ship, and then just to flip off
Congress explains that part of the ship in not even built yet.

It gets even better, when the contractor
announces that the foreign government for whom
the ship was actually designed, and for whom the
U.S. Government shelled out huge amounts of tax
payer to design the CG ship is now going to order
a number of these ships to help keep the shipyard
where these were designed and built afloat.

The "big ship" was never designed for the USCG,
it was designed for a foreign country, it is just
that the U.S, taxpayers paid for the design, and
the prototype so that the contractor could sell copies to a foreign governm=
ent.

-jma

At 10:55 AM 6/2/2009, Aguadilla 94-98 wrote:

>The system where retired military officers go to work on the projects
>they ran to supplement their beer money (retirement) checks may be the
>problem- they have an allegiance to their new civilian masters. The
>defense industry has probably been more corrupt this last
>Administration- KBR's no -bid morons mis- wiring military barracks and
>killing people- over 90% of their work not up to any safety standards
>per IG's reports.
>
>This inbreeding where you work on a project, retire, walk out one door
>and into another as a civilian is to blame for the bad programs that
>continue beyond their usefulness- and junk shoved down the taxpayers'
>throat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jun 1, 1:09 pm, SSRM Security and Risk Management
><ss..._at_live.com> wrote:
> > As Reginald says there are a number of issues
> here. DISCLAIMER: I have a son in the Coast
> Guard - a 2nd Class ET - and we have been
> watching this situation for a number of
> years. The first problem was poor design and
> review, followed by a lack of oversight by the
> principle agency (USCG) and finally
> non-existant TEMPEST upgrades (hell no TEMPEST at all as far as I can see=
!)
> >
> > The crimes here are endangering personnel
> with boats that do NOT do what they are
> supposed to do, faulty building practices and shoddy planning.
> >
> > We as tax-payers we need to hold Congress
> accountable for this process. They crawl up
> others behinds without regard for operational integrity but miss this. S=
HAME.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > K. Philip Seavy, CPO
> >
> > Director of Technical Services
> > TSD/V.P. Services
> > SSRM
> > Click on the SSRM above to view products available.
> >
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> >
> > > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:41:55 -0700
> > > Subject: [TSCM-L] {3725} Re: David Slays Goltiah
> > > From: regina..._at_hotmail.com
> > > To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com
> >
> > > It would seem that there is more than fraud at issue here. The
> > > problems with the hulls, engines and propellar shafts is simply a
> > > question of money. However, the TEMPEST certification is another
> > > matter. John Walker et al. sold the USSR the navy's crypto-keys for a
> > > number of years. The soviets were probably reading a lot of the
> > > material in virtually 'real time.' The members of that ring are doing
> > > serious time in a federal establishment. What is the difference here
> > > as to the actions of both the contractors who failed to meet contract
> > > standards or the Coast Guard/navy personnel who may have ignored the
> > > problem? To the average person not using shielded cable may not seem
> > > like a big thing. However, in reality it is almost like a bank
> > > employee who is tasked with locking up the bank at night but fails to
> > > close the vault, fails to lock the front door and declines to set the
> > > alarm systems. IF nothing happened, it would still be grounds for
> > > immediate dismissal. If something did happen and funds were stolen,
> > > then he could be sued by the bank for recovery on the grounds of his
> > > willful negligence. In the case of TEMPEST, they have left secure
> > > communication systems open to virtually anyone with a modicum of
> > > intelligence and technical equipment. To me, it raises concerns as to
> > > why there has been no action by the FBI and/or NCIS(NIS) on the
> > > grounds of national security. Which ever way you cut it, it comes off
> > > as willful misconduct and perhaps criminal negligence. Whatever the
> > > case, it just reminds me of Toshiba. Corporate types who would sell
> > > their soul for a dollar or, as alleged, sleeper agents posing as
> > > dishonest business types. Either way, they should have been executed.
> > > It is ridiculous for people like Martha Stewart and Conrad Black to b=
e
> > > doing federal prison time for what was quesionable conduct at worst,
> > > while people like those involved with TEMPEST are allowed to walk.
> >
> > > Reg Curtis
> > > .............................
> > > On May 31, 12:18 am, "James M. Atkinson" <j..._at_tscm.com> wrote:
> > > > Attached you will find a PDF document, of a sealed federal complain=
t
> > > > (that has just been unsealed), which has several major defense
> > > > contractors and one military agency scrambling for damage control. =
It
> > > > seems as if David has indeed slain Goliath, and taken the head to
> > > > Saul on a pike.
> >
> > > > Wow, this is hugely damaging to the defense industry, and most
> > > > damaging to Lockheed Martin who may end up having to pay the U.S.
> > > > Government several billions of dollars due to their fraud, and
> > > > executives within the defense industry could go to prison for the
> > > > rest of their lives over this.
> >
> > > > I understand that the case was filed quite some time ago, but that =
it
> > > > was just unsealed last week, and that most of the case has already
> > > > been proven in other venues.
> >
> > > > Procurement fraud and government abuse at it's finest.
> >
> > > > -jma
> >
> > > >
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467
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> > > > Gloucester, MA 01931-8008 E-mail: mailto:j..._at_tscm.co=
m
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
> > > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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> > > > No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from t=
he
> > > > enemy until it is ripe for execution. -
> Machiavelli, The Prince, 1521
> >
> > > > FourthSealedAmendedComplaint.2.16.2009.pdf
> > > > 218KViewDownload
> >
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It is actually way, way worse then any of that. 
In this case the Coast Guard had absolutely no idea what they wanted, and
now idea hwo the describe what they wanted, or how to design, or even
describe what they wanted. 
Instead the went to a contractor, and the contractor went to a foreign
country and asked THEM what kind of a ship they would like, and then the
contractor came back to the CG and told then that it will cost X number
of dollars to design and build the ships, when in fact the actual
customer was a foreign government. This is the "big project",
and it involved Vertical take off UAV's and a ship that can launch and
control the UAV's (otherwise known as a "National Security
Cutter"). 
Then in order to fund that rather large project the contractor agrees to
take some exhibiting boats that were getting on in years, chop then in
half, weld in an extension, add in a host of new, albeit highly defective
electronics, fake the certification testing, and then try to BS their way
into getting paid. The huge problem is that the ships started breaking
apart and were in the process of converting themselves into burial-at-sea
coffins when the CG shut them down and towed them into port. In fact the
ships were all in such bad shape that they had to evacuate the crews, and
tow them in s-l-o-w-l-y or risk then sinking at sea. 
The Coast Guard of course immediately went into a public relation spin,
but hey made a rather grave miscalculation. It seems that the "ships
breaking up at seas" scenario was not the biggest problem, but
rather the ships were leaking in other ways... way that the Coast Guard
had zero ways of detecting, but which other agencies had detected and
documented, but which the CG just completely ignored. 
Congress stepped in, and quite promptly both the CG and the contractors
responsible lied about what was going on, but Congress pushed, and
pushed, and pushed and they were finally able to get information out the
highly uncooperative CG that proven that the modified ships were letting
water in and secrets out. The CG blamed the contractors, the contractors
blamed Congress, and Congress blamed the CG. 
As time marched forward Congress never told the CG to stop spending money
like a drunken sailor on shore leave, but rather cut the budget a small
amount, and the CG continued of their spending rampage. They take
delivery of yet another deeply flawed ship, and a seriously incomplete
one at that. Then the CG cancels the most important mission of the ship,
and then just to flip off Congress explains that part of the ship in not
even built yet. 
It gets even better, when the contractor announces that the foreign
government for whom the ship was actually designed, and for whom the U.S.
Government shelled out huge amounts of tax payer to design the CG ship is
now going to order a number of these ships to help keep the shipyard
where these were designed and built afloat. 
The "big ship" was never designed for the USCG, it was designed
for a foreign country, it is just that the U.S, taxpayers paid for the
design, and the prototype so that the contractor could sell copies to a
foreign government. 
-jma 
 
At 10:55 AM 6/2/2009, Aguadilla 94-98 wrote: 
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">The system where retired
military officers go to work on the projects 
they ran to supplement their beer money (retirement) checks may be
the 
problem- they have an allegiance to their new civilian masters. The 
defense industry has probably been more corrupt this last 
Administration- KBR's no -bid morons mis- wiring military barracks
and 
killing people- over 90% of their work not up to any safety
standards 
per IG's reports. 
This inbreeding where you work on a project, retire, walk out one
door 
and into another as a civilian is to blame for the bad programs that 
continue beyond their usefulness- and junk shoved down the
taxpayers' 
throat. 
 
 
 
On Jun 1, 1:09 pm, SSRM Security and Risk Management 
<..._at_live.com> wrote: 
> As Reginald says there are a number of issues here. 
DISCLAIMER: I have a son in the Coast Guard - a 2nd Class ET - and we
have been watching this situation for a number of years.  The first
problem was poor design and review, followed by a lack of oversight by
the principle agency (USCG) and finally non-existant TEMPEST upgrades
(hell no TEMPEST at all as far as I can see!) 
> 
> The crimes here are endangering personnel with boats that do NOT do
what they are supposed to do, faulty building practices and shoddy
planning. 
> 
> We as tax-payers we need to hold Congress accountable for this
process.  They crawl up others behinds without regard for
operational integrity but miss this.  SHAME. 
> 
> Just my 2 cents. 
> 
> K. Philip Seavy, CPO 
> 
> Director of Technical Services 
> TSD/V.P. Services 
> SSRM 
>  Click on the SSRM above to view products available. 
> 
> WARNING: The contents of this electronic communications are
copyrighted, proprietary and confidential in nature and are intended
solely for the addressee.  Any use or misuse of the contents of this
message by persons or organizations other than the intended receipient
constitute unlawful use and will be prosecuted.  IF YOU ARE NOT the
intended reciepient, please delete this message now. 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:41:55 -0700 
> > Subject: [TSCM-L] {3725} Re: David Slays Goltiah 
> > From: regina..._at_hotmail.com 
> > To: TSCM-..._at_googlegroups.com 
> 
> > It would seem that there is more than fraud at issue here.
The 
> > problems with the hulls, engines and propellar shafts is simply
a 
> > question of money. However, the TEMPEST certification is
another 
> > matter. John Walker et al. sold the USSR the navy's crypto-keys
for a 
> > number of years. The soviets were probably reading a lot of
the 
> > material in virtually 'real time.' The members of that ring are
doing 
> > serious time in a federal establishment. What is the difference
here 
> > as to the actions of both the contractors who failed to meet
contract 
> > standards or the Coast Guard/navy personnel who may have
ignored the 
> > problem? To the average person not using shielded cable may not
seem 
> > like a big thing. However, in reality it is almost like a
bank 
> > employee who is tasked with locking up the bank at night but
fails to 
> > close the vault, fails to lock the front door and declines to
set the 
> > alarm systems. IF nothing happened, it would still be grounds
for 
> > immediate dismissal. If something did happen and funds were
stolen, 
> > then he could be sued by the bank for recovery on the grounds
of his 
> > willful negligence. In the case of TEMPEST, they have left
secure 
> > communication systems open to virtually anyone with a modicum
of 
> > intelligence and technical equipment. To me, it raises concerns
as to 
> > why there has been no action by the FBI and/or NCIS(NIS) on
the 
> > grounds of national security. Which ever way you cut it, it
comes off 
> > as willful misconduct and perhaps criminal negligence. Whatever
the 
> > case, it just reminds me of Toshiba. Corporate types who would
sell 
> > their soul for a dollar or, as alleged, sleeper agents posing
as 
> > dishonest business types. Either way, they should have been
executed. 
> > It is ridiculous for people like Martha Stewart and Conrad
Black to be 
> > doing federal prison time for what was quesionable conduct at
worst, 
> > while people like those involved with TEMPEST are allowed to
walk. 
> 
> > Reg Curtis 
> > ............................. 
> > On May 31, 12:18 am, "James M. Atkinson"
&lt..._at_tscm.com> wrote: 
> > > Attached you will find a PDF document, of a sealed federal
complaint 
> > > (that has just been unsealed), which has several major
defense 
> > > contractors and one military agency scrambling for damage
control. It 
> > > seems as if David has indeed slain Goliath, and taken the
head to 
> > > Saul on a pike. 
> 
> > > Wow, this is hugely damaging to the defense industry, and
most 
> > > damaging to Lockheed Martin who may end up having to pay
the U.S. 
> > > Government several billions of dollars due to their fraud,
and 
> > > executives within the defense industry could go to prison
for the 
> > > rest of their lives over this. 
> 
> > > I understand that the case was filed quite some time ago,
but that it 
> > > was just unsealed last week, and that most of the case has
already 
> > > been proven in other venues. 
> 
> > > Procurement fraud and government abuse at it's
finest. 
> 
> > > -jma 
> 
> > >
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> > >   enemy until it is ripe for execution. -
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> 
> > >  FourthSealedAmendedComplaint.2.16.2009.pdf 
> > > 218KViewDownload 
> 
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