Plus questions for David Irving and other quotes supporting nazi involvement in the occult
One of the early German Workers party members was
[publisher Dietrich] Eckart, often referred to as the spiritual
founder of National Socialism. Eckart saw in Hitler the malleable
leader he had been seeking and was soon introducing the new
member to the right social circles in Munich and his intellectual
friends in the Thule [pronounced too-lee] Society.
Although Eckart's role in metaphysical practices as well as in
the foundation of the Nazi party has been marginalized by most
historians, it is significant that Hitler clearly understood
Eckart's importance. He ended his infamous book Mein Kampf with
these words, "And I want also to reckon among [nazi heroes]
that man, who, as one of the best, by words and by thoughts and
finally by deeds, dedicated his life to the awakening of his, of
our nation; Dietrich Eckart.'
As Eckart lay dying in 1923, he said, 'Follow Hitler! He will
dance, but it is I who have called the tune. I have initiated him
into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centers in vision and
given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn
for me: I shall have influenced history more than any other
German.' --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 160-1
[Birdman note: Since I started reading a book on synchronicity a
couple of days ago, a couple of interesting synchronicities have
popped up. One of them is reading about the theory of Sitchin
that mankind is actually a creation of ancient astronauts (see
yesterday's posts), and then reading the following in Jim Marrs'
book Rule By Secrecy (p 155):]
"To counter this communist threat and the spreading chaos,
more than two dozen right-wing nationalist organizations sprang
up in Munich alone. Among them was the Thule Society, named after
the mythic German homeland of icebound Ultima Thule. The logo of
the society was a swastika superimposed over a sword.
Thule, in the minds of German occultists, was a Teutonic
Atlantis, a mystical prehistoric island in the northern climes
believed to be the home of a long-vanished civilization of
extraterrestrials who lost awareness of their origins by
interbreeding with humans. Eckhart, Sebottendorff, and their
followers believed that the advanced science of Thule had
survived through the centuries, handed down by select initiates
into this secret and esoteric wisdom. Thulists were continually
seeking this wisdom through rituals designed to contact superior
beings. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 155
'The inner core within the Thule Group were all Satanists who
practiced Black Magic', wrote Trevor Ravenscroft. 'That is to
say, they were solely concerned with raising their consciousness
by means of rituals to an awareness of evil and non-human
intelligences in the Universe and with achieving a means of
communication with the Intelligences. And the Master-Adept of
this circle was Dietrich Eckart.
It is well-known that in Munich during those turbulent postwar
years, there were several hundred unsolved 'political' murders
and kidnappings. 'And it was from among these missing persons,
most of whom were either Jews or Communists, that we must look to
find the 'sacrificial victims' who were murdered in the rites of
'Astrological Magic' caried out by Dietrich Eckart and the
innermost circle of the Thule Gesellschaft' charged Ravenscroft,
who claimed it was a 'well-known fact' that the Thulists were a
'Society of Assassins'. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 155
[Birdman note: One cannot help noticing the parallel between this
and 'Jewish Ritual Murder'. Were the nazis discovering something
the Jews had known for centuries? Or were both simply a part of
the satanism which continues to be practiced in the present day,
as described by such authors as John DeCamp, Jon Rappoport and
Cathy O'Brien, all of whom have been mentioned on these pages?]
Blavatsky, in forming the German branch of the Theosophical
Society in 1884, brought her belief in channeling, reincarnation,
racial superiority and extraterrestrial visitation to people who
later would form the theological basis of Nazism. ... 'The
rationale behind many later Nazi projects can be traced back ...
to ideas first popularized by Blavatsky,' agreed Levenda, who
detailed connections with other European secret organizations.
'We have the Theosophical Society, the OTO [Ordo Templi Orientis
or Oriental Templars], [Dr Rudolf Steiner's] Anthroposophical
Society and [the Order of] the Golden Dawn all intertwined in
incestuous embrace. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 154
Theosophy drew its thinking from the same early philosophers
venerated by the secret societies of Freemasonry, the Illuminati
and the Round Tables -- Plato and Pythagoras as well as the
Egyptian Mystery schools. According to author Nesta Webster, it
was evident that Blavatsky also drew heavily from the Hebrew
Cabala and Talmud, cementing the connection with the Ancient
Mysteries. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy 153
[Birdman note: The 'blight-wing' often links Jews and Freemasons
in the same dirt bag, so it is a tad ironic to find that they
have the same roots as nazism. But then perhaps that is not so
surprising if we reflect that Hitler was probably the grandson of
a Rothschild, as Goldberg, Epperson and others have detailed
elsewhere.]
The 'Secret Doctrine' imparted to Hitler by Eckart and University
of Munich Professor Haushofer was an amalgamation of concepts and
philosophies largely stemming from the work of Madam Blavatsky
and her Theosophical Society.
Blending Eastern mysticism, occultism, and hidden history, the
doctrine concerns the effort to understand man's origins.
According to Ravenscroft, 'When the Third Eye [believed by many
to be the pineal gland between the eyes] had been opened to a
full vision of the Akashic Record [the mystical hidden record of
mankind], the initiate [of the Secret Doctrine] became a living
witness of the whole evolution of the world and of humanity.
Traveling back through tremendous vistas of time, the very spirit
origin of the earth and of man was unveiled to him, and he was
able to follow the unfolding destiny of mankind through
ever-changing conditions of life and cycles of development.'
In this doctrine, nonhuman visitors to Earth long ago produced by
genetic manipulation 'divine-human hybrid beings, sort of
God-men' divided into seven subraces -- the Rmoahals, Tlavarli,
Toltecs, Turanians, Aryans, Akkadians, and Mongols. During this
process there were many mistakes, resulting in mutations such as
the 'giants' of biblical and Nordic mythology. These races lived
through progressive life cycles during the time of fabled
Atlantis.
With the destruction of Atlantis, they were scattered around the
world and their mental and physical attributes began to
degenerate. Their life spans decreased significantly. While their
thought processes in the material world sharpened, 'these
faculties of thought and sense perception were gained at the
price of a total loss of all magical powers over nature and over
the life forces in the human organism,' wrote Ravenscroft. With
this loss of intuitive powers, these early humans were taught by
their creators that everything on Earth was directed by invisible
'gods', and that they should serve these 'gods' unreservedly.
'Above all, they were taught to respect and protect the purity of
their blood', he added. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 161-2
It is interesting to note that the term 'Aryan' (a Sanskrit word
meaning noble) until the time of Hitler usually referred merely
to people using Indo-European languages rather than any race.
However, in both scholarly and occult studies the term is also
connected to an Indo-European speaking people traceable to
prehistoric times. These people were of unknown origins, but due
to common language characteristics many scholars believe they
came from northern Europe. One branch of these Aryans was located
in present-day Iraq and is connected to ancient stories of gods
who came from the sky.
A second branch entered India and intermingled with the existing
population. They are mentioned in the Hindu Vedas, also in
connection with gods who flew in flying machines called vimanas.
it all begins to sound eerily similar to the Theosophist belief
in extraterrestrial visitors. --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 162
In the summer of 1917 a young Estonian Jew named Alfred Rosenberg
was a student in Moscow where he was given a copy of the
Protocols by a stranger. Following the Russian Revolution the
following year, the anti-Bolshevik Rosenberg fled to Germany
where he used the book to gain entry to a secret society in
Munich, a move which was to have far-reaching effects for the
world.
In late 1918 Rosenberg presented the protocols to an ageing
Munich newspaper publisher named Dietrich Eckart. A boozing bon
vivant and one of Germany's better known poets at the time,
Eckart was enthralled by this plan for world domination. He
introduced Rosenberg to fellow members of the Thule Gesellscaft
or Thule Society ... --Jim Marrs, Rule By Secrecy, 152
[Birdman comment:
It would be ironic if the man responsible for calling the nazis'
attention to the Protocols
was a Jew; however, the Rosenberg bio posted on this site makes
the possibility unlikely.]
Note: When I showed the above quotations to David Irving, he declared that 'none of them is true'. I then posed to him the following questions:
Your statement that none of the quotes is true is
pretty broad, so let me ask you more specific questions. All can
be answered with Yes or No, so that will make it easier for you.
Naturally, if you want to explain your answers, I would be
delighted to hear it. Here are the questions:
* Are you saying that there was no significant occultism among
the core nazis? (If you agree that there was significant
occultism, where can I read about it?)
* Are you denying the existence of significant occultism in the
Thule Society?
* Are you denying the central role of Eckart in the rise of
Hitler?
* Are you denying the quoted deathbead statement of Eckart?
* Are you denying the Longinus spear story?
* Are you denying the obvious psychic experiences of Hitler
escaping bombs etc described by Degrelle?
* Are you denying that Hess used astrology in conjunction with
his 'peace' trip to England?
* Are you denying that Himmler had a circle of 'knights' who met
in a castle for occult purposes?
* Are you denying any significant connection between the core
nazis and the Theosophists, the Vril Society, the OTO, the
Freemasons and other secret societies?
* Are you denying that Hess and Haushofer were members of the
Vril Society?
* Are you saying that the Jew Alfred Rosenberg was not
responsible for bringing the Protocols to Eckart, who then
publicized them?
* Do you deny any credibility to the story that Hitler was the
grandson of a Rothschild?
Thanks for your time.
We hope Irving will find time to respond to these questions. Meanwhile, we invite any informed response.
The following quotations refer mostly to the occultism of Hitler and the nazis, but a few refer to other little-known facts about the nazi regime which are embarrassing to either opponents or proponents
Quote of the day (Thanks
Eric):
"Nevertheless, what has survived the ravages of
time, purposeful destruction and clever forgery,
is the fact that Adolf's father, Alois
Schickelgruber was the illegitimate son of a
female servant, Maria Anna Schickelgruber. Maria
Anna became pregnant while living as a servant in
a Jewish household --a common servant girl fate.
It was assumed by family members and villagers
alike that she'd been impregnated by the head of
the house, Baron Rothschild (Langer, 1973; Payne,
1973); a rumor that the Austrian Secret police
claimed to have confirmed when ordered by
Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss to conduct a
thorough investigation. Later, when Hitler
orchestrated the anschluss of Austria and German
trooped marched in, he had Dollfuss murdered, and
in addition to destroying Dollersheim, ordered
that all documents related to that investigation
be destroyed."
"When Adolf Hitler was presented with the results
of Frank's investigation, although denying he was
Jewish, Hitler did admit to Frank that a Jewish
man paid his grandmother money, because the "Jew"
was tricked into believing he was the father of
Alois. Of course this means, if Adolf (or rather
Frank) is to be believed, that his grandmother
was having sex with a Jewish man before she
became pregnant."
"Yet another factor suggesting that Alois was
Jewish was the fact that he was nothing like the
peasants of his mother's village where people
intermarried and produced generation and after
generation of peasant farmers. Alois in fact left
the village and sought his fortune. Alois was
supremely self-confident, politically astute, and
ambitious, and with the help of influential
aristocrats in Vienna, Alois became a government
official. Alois presumably inherited these traits
from his father, who was most likely a very
intelligent and successful Jew."
--http://www.brain-mind.com/Hitler.html
Second quote of the day:
The late Sir. Arthur Bryant, a respected historian and a
conservative Christian gentleman, wholly out of sympathy with the
Nazi regime which followed the Weimar period, is by reason of
those very qualities and traits a most reliable source is dealing
with the nature of the Weimar Republic. In his book, Unfinished
Victory, which was published just before the outbreak of World
War 11, he describes in vivid and evocative language the alien
quality of the "200,000 or more Jews" who thronged
Berlin. Many of them (he says) had poured into the country during
the post-war upheaval. They did not stay poor long. Bryant points
out that as late as November 1938, after five years of
anti-Jewish legislation, Jews still owned about one-third of all
real property in the Reich, most of it acquired during the
disastrous inflation of 1923 with foreign funds obtained through
their international connections. --from the Rosenberg bio (see
link)
Third quote of the day:
Bryant says that although the Jews comprised only one percent of
the population, their control of the national wealth and power
soon lost all relation to their numbers. In the 1924 Reichstag, a
quarter of the Social Democrats were Jews. Jews controlled 57% of
the metal trade, 22% of the grain, and 39% of the textile. More
then 50% of the members of the Berlin Chamber of Commerce were
Jews, as were 1,200 of the 1,474 members of the Stock Exchange.
Of the 29 legitimate theaters in Berlin, 23 had Jewish directors.
At one point, says Bryant (quoting an anti-Nazi book by E.
Mowrer, Germany Puts the Clock Back), so complete was the Jewish
monopoly of the Press that "a telephone connection between
[sic] three Jews in Ministerial Offices could effect the
suspension of any newspaper in the State." --ibid
Fourth quote of the day:
Rosenberg's view is that the various races of man possess racial
souls. These racial souls are as enduring and immutable as the
racial phenotype-no more and no less. They give rise to cultures,
values, religions and political systems which are uniquely
congruent with the race in question and are alien to any other
race. Miscegenation brings about the degeneration and destruction
of such cultures by reason of a kind of schizophrenic condition
of racial bastardy. Aryan man has created all the great
civilizations of ancient India, ancient Persia, Greece, Rome and,
probably, Egypt. Each has ultimately decayed and falled by reason
of race-mixing. --ibid
Fifth quote of the day:
"Hitler turned against Christianity from his early teens and
sought his destiny in the occult. He later joined with associates
who also embraced those teachings, and together they built a
state guided by the same occultic principles and goals repeated
in today's NA [New Agers, not National Alliance, altho Dr Pierce
at one time established the 'Cosmotheist' religion, which I
believe is now defunct.]. And no wonder, because he drew on the
same esoteric sources as the NAers of today. [How have so many
scholars overlooked this all-important key to understanding the
Nazi mentality? In the words of the Angeberts' English
translator, Lewis A.M. Sumberg, nearly all historians missed the
"militant neo-Paganism" and "Gnostic racism"
in Nazism "because they have brought conventional outlooks
and methodologies to their examination of an unconventional
phenomenon." (_The Occult and the Third Reich_, p.x) We must
either re-assess the Nazi philosophy with these roots exposed, or
be forced to settle for theories which fail to completely explain
Nazi priorities. Its unconventional nature lay in "magic
thought allied to science and know-how" (Angeberts, p.179) -
exactly the hybrid being encouraged today by NA leaders like
Peter Russell. Sumberg's observation in 1974 about this blind
spot among historians fell mostly on deaf ears, which makes it
more difficult now - but more urgent than ever - to recognize
that not only is Nazism not dead, we are now surrounded by a
"kinder, gentler" version of the same philosophy,
sprouted from the same roots and having the same
priorities.]" --Delores Cannon
(http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/thenewage.html)
Sixth quote of the day:
Books by List were found stamped with the insignia of the SS
Ahnenerbe (the Nazi Ancestral Research division), indicating that
his teachings were studied by SS candidates. (As an aside,
Angeberts note that the documents dealing with the Ahnenerbe
itself, which they identify as "the Nazi Occult
Bureau", are listed in the U.S. National Archives but for
some reason are not available to researchers - p.259-260) Both
Lanz and List were obsessed with blood purity, the Jewish threat,
Grail legends and a "new world order". Both embraced
the swastika as a central symbol, borrowing it from Hindu
mysticism. --ibid
Seventh quote of the day:
One of the earliest records of Pius XII denouncing the Nazi
movement dates back to April 1935, when Pacelli was still a
Cardinal: "These ideologues are in fact only miserable
plagiarizers who dress up ancient error in new tinsel."
(address at Lourdes to 250,000 pilgrims) By recognizing the
return of the "ancient error" which the Church had
repeatedly battled in the past - occultic Gnosticism - this pope
declared himself a formidible enemy in the arena most important
to the Nazis: the ancient cosmic-religious War of Light against
Darkness. I would submit that his evident knowledge of the occult
roots of Nazism disturbed Hitler and his fellow-initiates far
more than anything Pius did later, for they were in the process
of burying all such traces [see below]. The yet-stronger
statements in "Mit Brennender Sorge" two years later
probably intensified Nazi fears that their cover was about to be
blown. This is the best explanation for the hysterical tirades
reportedly directed personally at Pacelli by Hitler, and even a
plot in 1940 to kidnap him. The threat from this pope did not end
with the Third Reich, because the real "War" was - and
is - still in progress. On the contrary, Pius XII was so highly
esteemed that at his death (1958), Israel's Foreign Minister
Golda Meir eulogized him in the name of the Jewish State, and the
Israeli public called for a forest of 860,000 trees to be planted
in honor of the estimated number of Jews saved by this Righteous
Gentile. Surviving Nazi guardians of the Gnosis must have
realized that Pacelli's continuing influence on the Jewish people
could do great damage to the future of the Plan if they ever came
to comprehend his analysis of Nazism. This is the only reasonable
explanation for the total reversal of his reputation within five
short years, after unknown parties financed and heavily promoted
the reconstructed pseudo-history of Pius XII on the stages of
Europe. The ploy succeeded: today, not many Jews are interested
in anything this Nazi "deputy" had to say.] --ibid
Eighth quote of the day:
Hitler seemed determined to keep his occult roots hidden from the
general public; the groups and individuals he targeted for early
elimination were those who knew of those roots and who might
expose him (thereby challenging his control of the
"Plan"). This would explain why the Nazis burned every
available copy of Sebottendorf's book which proclaimed those
roots, and why Rudolf Hess's defection to the West in 1941
prompted Hitler to outlaw all remaining occultists in the Third
Reich, such as astrologers, mediums and even parlor magicians.
(Carr, p.88-100) --ibid
Ninth quote of the day:
In search of this holy blood which contains the coveted
god-knowledge, every member of the SS was screened for purity of
Aryan lineage, and was taught his duty to father as many racially
pure children as possible. Himmler believed that if conception
took place in an Aryan cemetery, the resulting child would
receive the spirit of "all the dead heroes" buried
there; accordingly, lists of Nordic cemeteries were published in
the SS periodical _Das Schwarze Korps_. (Sklar, p.114) --ibid
Tenth quote of the day:
Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler first entered the Thule Society
orbit as a fighter in the Free Corp, by which time he was already
a devoted occultist. He was especially fascinated with
reincarnation and karma (individual and racial); he became
convinced that he was the reincarnation of King Heinrich I the
Fowler (10th c), who spoke to him in his sleep. (Sklar, p.85) He
was similarly obsessed with legends of the medieval order of
Teutonic knights (a secret brotherhood which required Germanic
racial purity for eight generations), the meaning of ancient
Nordic runes, the Hindu/Buddhist idea of sacrificial detachment
from the consequences of daily life, and the precepts of the
_Kautilya Arthasastra_, a cynical, amoral Hindu philosophy
utilizing deceit. --ibid
[Birdman comment:
Sounds amazingly like the morality commonly attributed to Jews.]
Eleventh quote of the day:
This attitude was shared by the Nazi leadership, and led their
rejection of valid astronomy and physics in favor of occult-based
pseudo-theories such as the "doctrine of eternal cosmic
ice" concocted by Hans Hoerbiger, a mechanical engineer. It
was Dietrich Eckart who introduced his protege Hitler to
Hoerbiger's work, and its similarity to Thule mythology on new
ages birthed from ice was immediately recognized. Hoerbiger
himself declared war on "objective science" as "a
pernicious invention" (Angeberts, p.183), advocated
substituting the "uselessness" of mathematics with a
mystical "knowing" of the universe, and targeted Albert
Einstein as an archenemy (emphasizing the latter's Jewish origin
no less than his pernicious scientific work). ... It was
Hoerbigerian weather forecasting (continuing after his death in
1931) that fixed 1941 as a mild winter, convinced the Nazis to
leave behind heavy winter gear for the invasion of Russia, and
sent them into a record-breaking cold front which marked a
turning point in the war. Even after the disaster, no one
admitted the bankruptcy of Hoerbiger's theory. --ibid
Twelfth quote of the day:
Alice Bailey ... clearly approved of Hitler's role in destroying
the old order and "establishing of a new world order",
as Hitler described it in Bailey's own words. (Angeberts, p.155)
--ibid
Thirteenth quote of the
day:
A virtually unknown component in Nazism is the glorification of
homosexuality as a path to higher consciousness and superhuman
power. In accordance with widespread occult practice dating back
to the Greeks, promotion in the SS brotherhood was conditional on
adopting "warrior" or super-masculine homosexuality.
The homosexuals who were despised and were sent to the camps were
exclusively the effeminate kind. --ibid
Revilo Oliver wrote this
article containing a long discussion of his
non-belief in nazi occultism. The second half of the article (not
relevant to occultism) will be found at http://www.stormfront.org/rpo/POLITIC2.htm
Thanks david h
Birdman responds to the
Oliver piece as follows:
Oliver is very knowledgeable, and much of what he says is no
doubt true. However, the real question is the degree to which
nazism was affected by the occult. While Jim Marrs whom I quoted
on the nazi-occult relationship may have quoted White, this does
not mean that the information was wrong. If you read the extracts
of Leon Degrelle's Hitler bio published in the Barnes Review, you
know Degrelle believed that Hitler was in possession of psychic
powers, and this dovetails well with what Marrs and several
others have said, particularly the long article from which my
newer quotes were obtained, and which quotes I have added to the
file of Marrs quotes. Also it is well-known, as I understand it,
that other nazis dabbled in the occult, including Hess and
Himmler. Furthermore, while Oliver attempts to dismiss Theosophy
as BS, I urge you to read the article posted on my site (in
Articles of Others) on the investigations concerning the book
'Occult Chemistry' at http://www.light-mission.org/paranormalt.html
. Blavatsky and her cohorts obviously knew something, shall we
say, fantastically important, and somewhat the same may be said
of 'the great beast 666' Aleister Crowley. My point is that
Hitler partisans like Irving and (probably) Oliver are
embarrassed about the nazi links to occultism, and want to
downplay it. For me, I think they underestimate its importance
and may well be wrong that it was a negative thing.
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