Looking for a new idea, how to protect my software, so no one of you can crack it for

[gitolo]

Dear Members

I am new here and I am not an expert in your field, hence I need your advice or good solution. I think, your Forum is the best place to ask for the help.
Looking for a new idea, how to protect my software, so no one of you can crack it for while.
I just developed software application (exe & dll) that I like to protect against copying it.
I have the entire application on CD, but I can use another source to store it and distribute.
For the past few years I used SafeDisc (reasonable price) to protect my intellectual rights.
Now I developed expensive (for me) software and I like to protect it better than just a SafeDisc.
So, I thought to use Hasp, Sentinel or Tasp. Reading your friendly forum I almost gave-up this idea and I am afraid to spend my money for these expensive dongle/key/ltp that many people can crack it easily.

Please offer me the solution, that most of you would get a headache trying to crack it.
Otherwise, please advise me which of these listed above technologies would be the best and unpopular to crack for you.

Thanks

[souze_villy]

Dear Members

I am new here and I am not an expert in your field, hence I need your advice or good solution. I think, your Forum is the best place to ask for the help.
Looking for a new idea, how to protect my software, so no one of you can crack it for while.
I just developed software application (exe & dll) that I like to protect against copying it.
I have the entire application on CD, but I can use another source to store it and distribute.
For the past few years I used SafeDisc (reasonable price) to protect my intellectual rights.
Now I developed expensive (for me) software and I like to protect it better than just a SafeDisc.
So, I thought to use Hasp, Sentinel or Tasp. Reading your friendly forum I almost gave-up this idea and I am afraid to spend my money for these expensive dongle/key/ltp that many people can crack it easily.

Please offer me the solution, that most of you would get a headache trying to crack it.
Otherwise, please advise me which of these listed above technologies would be the best and unpopular to crack for you.

Thanks
All world in this problem that he hardly protect his software and he crack, this is talking that impossible you protect your application with any protector software and he could not crack, however my advice is u must use the (winlisence) his protection is good then others, also many senior also give u good advice here.

[benito]

I think VMProtect is very good and also doesnt cost much money :)
For now is also good choice sentinel hardware key.
Does anybody see any solution? Not any limited custom, i think full or table emu ;) I don need it, i am just curious. Safenet still boast about their new protection isnt still cracked :)

BR

[Git]

The only (and I mean *only*) protection system that I have never seen fully cracked and makes most crackers give up as soon as they see it is VMProtect.

http://www.vmprotect.ru/

Git

[souze_villy]

The only (and I mean *only*) protection system that I have never seen fully cracked and makes most crackers give up as soon as they see it is VMProtect.

http://www.vmprotect.ru/

Git
when every software is come to + one plate form. then his cracking is possible, however, I have viedio, one person crack it.

[gitolo]

I tried to find the Winlisence, but there are so many pages in Italien or Russian and I couldn't find the right one in English.
The only one I found is acctually the crack for the Winlisence.
http://www.sharingaccess.com/?hop=ddownloadd&q=Winlisence

Can you explain me please, what did you mean saying that the Winlisence is probably the best?
What do you think about Russian http://www.vmprotect.ru?
Is it good?
Thx

[souze_villy]

I tried to find the Winlisence, but there are so many pages in Italien or Russian and I couldn't find the right one in English.
The only one I found is acctually the crack for the Winlisence.
http://www.sharingaccess.com/?hop=ddownloadd&q=Winlisence

Can you explain me please, what did you mean saying that the Winlisence is probably the best?
What do you think about Russian http://www.vmprotect.ru?
Is it good?
Thx
Look, I only give u advice, winlicense or vmprotection both is possible to crack. However, what u want use look must here which is best your application. Here is winlicese protection Web details. http://www.winlicense.com/.

[gitolo]

The both companies you were recommended as the best ones do not offer hardware protection in form of USB key. The hardware protection is more expensive than software one. So, in your opinion it is not worth to go and buy hardware, because you have many ways to go around the key?
For example Aladin sells the Hasp with the key that has internal memory. I can use it to keep there some valuable information necessary to run the program/application.
Even though you crack the CD and find the way to eliminate the Hasp protection, but how you will extract or use the part of the program that is in the USB key’s memory and is necessary to run the application?

[souze_villy]

The both companies you were recommended as the best ones do not offer hardware protection in form of USB key. The hardware protection is more expensive than software one. So, in your opinion it is not worth to go and buy hardware, because you have many ways to go around the key?
For example Aladin sells the Hasp with the key that has internal memory. I can use it to keep there some valuable information necessary to run the program/application.
Even though you crack the CD and find the way to eliminate the Hasp protection, but how you will extract or use the part of the program that is in the USB key’s memory and is necessary to run the application?
USB key also best but every one make his soluiton. This is best you protect ur software with 2 system.

[gitolo]

This is the reply I just got from www.vmprotect.ru

Our product can not protect your software against copying.

> Hi, I have a software on CD; I like to protect it against copying> it.> And at the same time I like to be able to duplicate it.> I used SafeDisc in the past and now I am thinking about the hardware> technology to use it for protection.> Can you tell me if your product would protect my intelectual rights> the way I need it?

[gitolo]

If I use dongle USB Hasp and SafeDisc, wouldn't be there any conflict? I do not think they both are compatible?

How about the question I asked regarding the part of the program necessary to run the application that I would store in the USB key?

[gamebit0]

If I use dongle USB Hasp and SafeDisc, wouldn't be there any conflict? I do not think they both are compatible?
How about the question I asked regarding the part of the program necessary to run the application that I would store in the USB key?
are u author-paranoid? :)
more important how u use dongle or over protections.
if u put anything in memory && don't crypt it, anyone can get it easy.
write unique customer's data in dongle and the crypt with closed\open keys algorithm. This will stop official users from publishing their dumps.
but not save against carders from China :)

[Git]

> when every software is come to + one plate form.
> then his cracking is possible, however, I have viedio
> , one person crack it.

I have no idea what "come t + one plate" means, but if you have proof that VMProtect is crackable, then show us. Put up or shut up.

If you protect an exe with the default settings of VMProtect 1.63 or later it IS NOT CRACKABLE today. Period. End of story.

Gitolo - The fist thing you mentioned was that you wanted protection against cracking. Only later did you say you wanted copy protection. They are two very different things. The first is a technical matter, the second is a licensing enforcement issue.

Git

[cEnginEEr]

..if you have proof that VMProtect is crackable, then show us. Put up or shut up
Ha ha..nice answer Git, be sure that he dos not have it; in fact I doubt if he understands the meaning of 'VM';

@souze_villy:
cracking a 'VM' is a nightmare even for the pro crackers; if you wanna feel what I say, you can try some of the crackme's posted on http://crackmes.de; also you try your powerful cracking skillz :D on VM of securom, even though it is fully documented by derko...

@gitolo:
Coping software dos not mean that the attacker can run your software it if you implement a proper protection;
if you wanna use software protection, VMProtect and CodeVisualizer are the best choice for you for sure, but if you insist on using a hardware protection, I would recommend SenseLock or Rockey6 which are based on smartcart technology...in any case you must try to implement the protection properly otherwise expect a crack for you soft..
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cE

[el3ashe2]

i have my own protection i called it I Am The Protector
it is new tool to protect your software

ithink the best way to protect your application to use anew protection tool cause most of crackers just follow others threads or videos about cracking if you used anew tool then you can protect it for 1 or 2 years while it cracked then you will use anew update of our protection and new way of protection

my software for sell if you like contact me send PM or aamer@dyetex.net email and we will dicuss this issue
but we can protect VB6 programs only

and you need to know that no one can give you cd protection that no one can crack or copy :D
cya

[unforgiven]

WMProtect 1.63 is Fully Unpacked and Cracked (I have it).

[souze_villy]

WMProtect 1.63 is Fully Unpacked and Cracked (I have it).
:D I also know that this is upacked already but Git is not understand this world, he is senior to me but I think not try to search the web there world is changed. I have information for 1.5.

("come t + one plate") its mean when every software is protected with one technology, then every one try to crack it, and there is million of people working on it, one is must success.

[el3ashe2]

98% of protection could be unpacked as i told you you need customized tool just for you then no one can crack it easy :)

[souze_villy]

98% of protection could be unpacked as i told you you need customized tool just for you then no one can crack it easy :)
Yes, here is I tell u already that every thin is possible in the future not on this time. I agree with u.

[souze_villy]

@souze_villy&unforgiven
Thinking about you don't undertand what's VM at all.
Yes, some Chinese guys had publiced the VMP1.63 at unpack.cn forum but it's not mean the VMP was crackable, at least it's un-reverseable till now. cE had give so clear answer for this topic.
Maybe both of you can show your powerful crack ability with this simplest VMP crackme.
http://rapidshare.de/files/40036610/crackme.vmp.rar.html
;) ;)
cEnginEEr is are senior and I 100% agree with him. Here is only discuss Q/A mean every one understand it, what is good and what is wrong.

[Git]

> WMProtect 1.63 is Fully Unpacked and Cracked (I have it).

Yes, I have seen it. But it is not protected with itself., so VMProtect protection has NOT been defeated.

I buy VMProtect a long time back. They email me a key and every time a new version ccomes out they send me that to. It is just an exe, it is not protected with itself or anything else, it is just packed with UPX for size. So, it is not Protected, it is Licensed.

What has been released on the Chinese boards is simply the unUPX'd exe and the important part - a Key.

[TORO]

@gitolo:
Coping software dos not mean that the attacker can run your software it if you implement a proper protection;
if you wanna use software protection, VMProtect and CodeVisualizer are the best choice for you for sure, but if you insist on using a hardware protection, I would recommend SenseLock or Rockey6 which are based on smartcart technology...in any case you must try to implement the protection properly otherwise expect a crack for you soft..
i am not agree with you about codevirtualizer, it is a buggy app, i have tryed it so many times with bcb and vc compiled targets w/o success. vmprotect is still the best but not a 100% safe protector .it still is my best tool for code protection. i prefer it to all software developers. i am agree with suggestion about rockey6, but its hard to implement for most of software developers. safenet hardware key (SHK) and wibu codemeter are the best trivial dongles i can prefer now for copy protection. acctually i have done SHK logger/emulator by myself, and codemeter can be done in same way, but both apis are so easy to understand for software developers (shk is easier) and their implementations is so better than other brands such as hasp hl or hasp srm. so easy crackers can not crack them as they can do on hsap hl now and hasp srm in future. i have to say again that shk and codemeter are crackable too. so it is a trade off between implementation simplicity and power of protection against crackers.

to gitolo:
as you read in many forums and websites, every protection is crackable. i think the best protection which can be used by software developers is "support". support of a software can not be emulated or broken 100%. :D. so choose vmprotect for code protection, choose a kind of dongle for copy protection and choose a good schema for support.

[benito]

Nice to read these sentences :)
Toro, will you publish at least your logger like you did it with your logger for safenet superpro/ultrapro ? Or it will stay private?

[gitolo]

Hi
You all are right; I wasn't specific talking about the problem.
I was looking for the protection against copying my disc for further distribution.
I just realized I wasn’t clear, but I got the idea.
However, now I face another problem since I understand it better.
Is that true, if someone crack my software, he doesn't have to copy my CD; instead he/she can do own CDs for distribution? Is That right?

I asked VMProtect.ru and Oreans.com to protect my CD against copying; both of them replied to me that they are not able to protect my CD.
Now I understand why. ;)
I should use one of them to protect my code and to protect against duplication I should use hardware solution.
The Aladdin (Hasp HL Pro) from Illinois and Sentinel (SDK) from Maryland have similar prices for their keys.
Which one would be better to use.
I realized that for you neither of them is a problem, but for simple programmer, who knows little about protection, which of them would be a more difficult to break?

[souze_villy]

Hi
You all are right; I wasn't specific talking about the problem.
I was looking for the protection against copying my disc for further distribution.
I just realized I wasn’t clear, but I got the idea.
However, now I face another problem since I understand it better.
Is that true, if someone crack my software, he doesn't have to copy my CD; instead he/she can do own CDs for distribution? Is That right?

I asked VMProtect.ru and Oreans.com to protect my CD against copying; both of them replied to me that they are not able to protect my CD.
Now I understand why. ;)
I should use one of them to protect my code and to protect against duplication I should use hardware solution.
The Aladdin (Hasp HL Pro) from Illinois and Sentinel (SDK) from Maryland have similar prices for their keys.
Which one would be better to use.
I realized that for you neither of them is a problem, but for simple programmer, who knows little about protection, which of them would be a more difficult to break?
Toro here is clear u that if u want Dongle key protection ur software, then must use the (Rocky6) he is not eays to crack and still no body have his solution too, Toro our senior same like cEnginEEr and Git, I think big information here you get about your software protection.

[ngoksun]

Toro here is clear u that if u want Dongle key protection ur software, then must use the (Rocky6) he is not eays to crack and still no body have his solution too, Toro our senior same like cEnginEEr and Git, I think big information here you get about your software protection.
Not all. Some Chinese guys have solution with Rockey6 both from hardware(Clone) and software (Emulator) side.

[souze_villy]

Not all. Some Chinese guys have solution with Rockey6 both from hardware(Clone) and software (Emulator) side.
Some chinies mean, could u show here some address?

[benito]

> WMProtect 1.63 is Fully Unpacked and Cracked (I have it).

Yes, I have seen it. But it is not protected with itself., so VMProtect protection has NOT been defeated.

I buy VMProtect a long time back. They email me a key and every time a new version ccomes out they send me that to. It is just an exe, it is not protected with itself or anything else, it is just packed with UPX for size. So, it is not Protected, it is Licensed.

What has been released on the Chinese boards is simply the unUPX'd exe and the important part - a Key.

Why they also not protect their protector (vmprotect) with VM ? Isnt it strange? :)

[Git]

Not at all, they choose Licensing, not Protection, as I explained above.

Git

[benito]

They can (should) choose both, dont you think? :)

[Git]

No, I don't, I agree with their course of action. Any protection that relies on a virtual machine comes at a very heavy price of huge expansion in file size and dramatic slow down.

Their aim is to License the product. The aim of their product, VMProtect, is to prevent reverse engineering of their cutomers and products. They are two very different aims with two very different solutions.

The first ensures you have to pay for it, the second ensures people don't get to see how it works.

Git