Good thread. These guys were brave but did it wrong. I would only add that popular support does not always mean a majority. The Founders were a small fraction of the population, but had substantial support as well. They also were forced to resort to violence in the end
We will see whether the yids~and~traitors~that~be will allow peaceful change ALA Trump.. you know what I've said about that, but for those who didn't read my prior comments, I believe they will not. What then?
Yea at first i was like yee haaww...and then i tryed read into what it was all about, and found myself lost on some ranch on something that happened 20 years ago. Wasted a good couple of hours trying to figure it all out...but still never did.
From what I understand, it's basically a land-grab by the federal government, and a direct assault against the livelihood of those farmers. Am I wrong ?
It's all very deep there is cattle, fires, unpaid grazing rights etc etc, trust me its like a modern day cowboy ranch dispute with no Indians...boring as fuck.
I agree with Andrew's criticism of the Oregon standoff's leadership. My sense if it is that they are hopelessly naive.
I also agree that libertarianism has a very limited appeal. People have short attention spans, and to understand libertarianism requires longer conversations about abstract principles. It's high IQ moralizing that is gibberish to the public.
The public understands visceral threats better than abstract ones. Such as how violent invaders are raping our women (and how Jews are the ones that opened the gates). Militias organised around the core concept of defending our women, like the anti-immigration groups in Europe, might have a better chance of getting people to see how the government is against us.
That said, I agree with the protestors too, and wish their rebellion would gain some traction, and that the militias were for real rather than just larping. I'm quite familiar with, and sympathetic to, their Mormonish brand of constitutionalism. I just disagree tactically. But regardless, it has done a lot to further increase tensions, and polarize Whites into pro-white and anti-white camps, which is a good thing.
What successes have come our way have come from following the motto:
"By way of memes thou shalt make war"
The really sad part for me was listening to some of the ranting of the guys still camped out who sound like Alex Jones and Anonymous rolled into one. For a minute, I thought one of them was somewhat Jew-wise, but then it turned out he just thinks there are fake evil Jews and it's not THE Jews, who are fine, and all the peoples of the world just need to get along but only in White countries.
Yes, sad...
I hear you. I was with them in spirit, and know they're coming from a righteous place, in the spirit of the 2nd Amendment, and our "racist" heritage, even if they weren't able to fully communicate this. If we had a lot more people with the moxie to take such a stand it would bring the feds to attention. As it is, they know how to pick these guys off, and that most of the public will either ignore or quickly forget it all happened.
After the debacle at the Bundy ranch where hundreds of armed men showed up to support the family from the tyranny of the federal government, I'm sure these men believed even more would come to aid them in this unfortunate turn of events.
They probably thought thousands would come and this might actually start the next revolution.
The media made them out to be lunatics and the average person is not ready to die to defend people instigating a war with the federal government.
I'm so sad that even one of these men died. I can understand the desire to call it quits after one death, but it is weak and very unmanly to give up so easily.
When Trump becomes president, I hope he does something to help everyone that was part of this whole Oregon debacle.
As for libertarianism... there really is nothing that can last about it. No movement based off of money alone will succeed in non-jew circles, and libertarianism really is 99% about money. Their issue with a large government has almost entirely to do with spending too much money. White people care about morals and ethics, even if we don't agree on which ones, way more than we care about a wasteful government. Libertarians focus too much on standing against wasting money while ignoring the horrors of Islam and homosexuality.
To succeed with white people, you have to stand against degeneracy as much as you have to stand for good things. As we've seen with Trump, even liberals like it when you do that.
Who cares what those faggot enemies think though?
You think they will ever be "nice" to "us" for any reason?
Their whole plan was flawed from the start. Occupying a federal building with little significance, little community support, the family involved didn't want them there. It seemed from the beginning Bundy was trying to stir this up and make it bigger in support of what happened to them hoping it would create a larger fight against BLM. Don't get me wrong they had MANY valid points against federal overreach, but these have to be perfectly picked battles and have to be winnable with large public/local support to be effective. Plus openly advocating and threatening violence against the feds was a terrible idea for their cause.
I have to imagine that was said in jest. I mean, when aren't kikes and niggers hysterically demonizing whites?
BULLSHIT! It's another Smith-Mundt propaganda gig folks. Somebody asks if they will sign a TALENT RELEASE FORM. Video is blacked out due to night time shooting. The blooper starts at 45:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAKQcMb8RNc Watch that little fucker David Fry run for his GoPro. SHUT IT DOWN!
Good on them for having enough balls to grab weapons and stand up to the goverment. But aside from this, there's not much positive about this little protest.
This is because they are anarchists and are enemies of the state in their methods.
There is another way to approach this re-branding of what a public and a private citizen really is and the fact that the government is operating under a "legal" martial law state of war rather than under Constitutional civil law.
Oath Keepers even walked away from these guys.
From my best assessment the entire episode is due to Ryan Payne, who was early on apparently chosen by Cliven and Ammon Bundy as a guy they followed, due to his claims about his extensive military training and alleged 'ranger' experience.
The problem was, the whole backdown from arrests in the Cliven Bundy case was not because of Payne's genius, it was because its Harry Reids (mormon) backyard and he had the pull to shut down the cattle round up and get the govt to end it without arrests, because it was politically expedient.
Payne is mentioned in reports telling people they were 'deserters' and causing other cliven supporters to walk away due to his erratic behaviour.
These mormons are given over to the same sort of superstitious idolatry that you see from Glenn Beck (mormon) and which even got too much for FOX Jews when they finally kicked him off the air. Every week he would tie every sort of bizarre clue to some (non-jewish) conspiracy or use the first letter of words to spell out some prophecy -
which is a type of common mormon behaviour, given that the religions founder is so easily discredited and shown as a fraudster only the gullible or profiteers would susbcribe to it at this point..
To these sorts of people, its totally within the scope of possibility that some mormon angel will come down and smite the federal govt when they engage in stupidity, or follow some self-proclaimed all knowing 'Prophets' chosen by the mormon god. You have all kinds of crazy shit that these cultists engage in and accept. This is a particularly dumb population in which many of the early cultist mormons gave their wives to Joseph Smith because he told these idiots that he was told as a prophet that God wanted Smith or one of his deputies to have the woman instead of her husband.
You cant fix stupid
"This libertarian “ideological” stuff doesn’t go anywhere. We’ve seen that. And hopefully, this whole Oregon disaster will serve to demonstrate to people that libertarianism – regardless of the fact it does tackle some important issues – is a completely ineffective method of combating the system."
I respond:
We at Occidental Dissent have been amongst the leaders in the Alt Right, Race Realist movement exposing the race denying Libertarian cult - especially the pointless, always losing Presidential campaigns of Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Garry Johnson etc. Libertarianism, economic conservatism simply does not sell to poor and working class White Americans, it's a sure loser, always has been, always will be.
Regarding this Cowboy Rancher Militia folks, the natural, knee jerk reaction is to always side with White Cowboys who are against the Federal Government, Liberal, Leftists environmentalists etc. The reality is it's much more complicated and lots of these Cowboy Ranchers, Agribusiness owners are insane, terrible traitors on the immigration invasion issue, they just love to exploit low wage, illegal alien workers - "Happy Slaves" , only they don't stay happy slaves for very long.
Check out this idiot loon old guy Cliven Bundy's views on the mass illegal alien invasion - he likes them, thinks they are Spanish.
"“Now let me talk about the Spanish people. Now I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here, and they’re people. And I’ve worked beside a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together. And I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people going to be with us.”
EXACTLY.. THIS IS HOW ALMOST ALL OF WASHINGTON STATE HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A MEXICAN HELLHOLE.
Thank you. You succinctly condensed down exactly what I have been trying to communicate
If only they came armed with alt-right ideals, they could have actually swayed people to their cause. people are tired of liberals and it doesn't matter if you got guns or not if you're and armed cuck you're not gonna get anywhere.
This is also why Texas is now Mexico, these white ranchers and masons want their cheap labor. Fucking race traitors.