After One Death and Multiple Arrests, Ammon Bundy Tells Followers to Give Up

#29

Who cares what those faggot enemies think though?

You think they will ever be "nice" to "us" for any reason?

#30

Their whole plan was flawed from the start. Occupying a federal building with little significance, little community support, the family involved didn't want them there. It seemed from the beginning Bundy was trying to stir this up and make it bigger in support of what happened to them hoping it would create a larger fight against BLM. Don't get me wrong they had MANY valid points against federal overreach, but these have to be perfectly picked battles and have to be winnable with large public/local support to be effective. Plus openly advocating and threatening violence against the feds was a terrible idea for their cause.

#31

I have to imagine that was said in jest. I mean, when aren't kikes and niggers hysterically demonizing whites?

#32

BULLSHIT! It's another Smith-Mundt propaganda gig folks. Somebody asks if they will sign a TALENT RELEASE FORM. Video is blacked out due to night time shooting. The blooper starts at 45:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAKQcMb8RNc Watch that little fucker David Fry run for his GoPro. SHUT IT DOWN!

#33

Good on them for having enough balls to grab weapons and stand up to the goverment. But aside from this, there's not much positive about this little protest.

#34

This is because they are anarchists and are enemies of the state in their methods.
There is another way to approach this re-branding of what a public and a private citizen really is and the fact that the government is operating under a "legal" martial law state of war rather than under Constitutional civil law.

#35

Oath Keepers even walked away from these guys.

From my best assessment the entire episode is due to Ryan Payne, who was early on apparently chosen by Cliven and Ammon Bundy as a guy they followed, due to his claims about his extensive military training and alleged 'ranger' experience.

The problem was, the whole backdown from arrests in the Cliven Bundy case was not because of Payne's genius, it was because its Harry Reids (mormon) backyard and he had the pull to shut down the cattle round up and get the govt to end it without arrests, because it was politically expedient.

Payne is mentioned in reports telling people they were 'deserters' and causing other cliven supporters to walk away due to his erratic behaviour.

These mormons are given over to the same sort of superstitious idolatry that you see from Glenn Beck (mormon) and which even got too much for FOX Jews when they finally kicked him off the air. Every week he would tie every sort of bizarre clue to some (non-jewish) conspiracy or use the first letter of words to spell out some prophecy -
which is a type of common mormon behaviour, given that the religions founder is so easily discredited and shown as a fraudster only the gullible or profiteers would susbcribe to it at this point..

To these sorts of people, its totally within the scope of possibility that some mormon angel will come down and smite the federal govt when they engage in stupidity, or follow some self-proclaimed all knowing 'Prophets' chosen by the mormon god. You have all kinds of crazy shit that these cultists engage in and accept. This is a particularly dumb population in which many of the early cultist mormons gave their wives to Joseph Smith because he told these idiots that he was told as a prophet that God wanted Smith or one of his deputies to have the woman instead of her husband.

You cant fix stupid

#36

"This libertarian “ideological” stuff doesn’t go anywhere. We’ve seen that. And hopefully, this whole Oregon disaster will serve to demonstrate to people that libertarianism – regardless of the fact it does tackle some important issues – is a completely ineffective method of combating the system."

I respond:

We at Occidental Dissent have been amongst the leaders in the Alt Right, Race Realist movement exposing the race denying Libertarian cult - especially the pointless, always losing Presidential campaigns of Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Garry Johnson etc. Libertarianism, economic conservatism simply does not sell to poor and working class White Americans, it's a sure loser, always has been, always will be.

Regarding this Cowboy Rancher Militia folks, the natural, knee jerk reaction is to always side with White Cowboys who are against the Federal Government, Liberal, Leftists environmentalists etc. The reality is it's much more complicated and lots of these Cowboy Ranchers, Agribusiness owners are insane, terrible traitors on the immigration invasion issue, they just love to exploit low wage, illegal alien workers - "Happy Slaves" , only they don't stay happy slaves for very long.

Check out this idiot loon old guy Cliven Bundy's views on the mass illegal alien invasion - he likes them, thinks they are Spanish.

"“Now let me talk about the Spanish people. Now I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here, and they’re people. And I’ve worked beside a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together. And I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people going to be with us.”

#37

EXACTLY.. THIS IS HOW ALMOST ALL OF WASHINGTON STATE HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A MEXICAN HELLHOLE.

Thank you. You succinctly condensed down exactly what I have been trying to communicate

#38

If only they came armed with alt-right ideals, they could have actually swayed people to their cause. people are tired of liberals and it doesn't matter if you got guns or not if you're and armed cuck you're not gonna get anywhere.

#39

This is also why Texas is now Mexico, these white ranchers and masons want their cheap labor. Fucking race traitors.

#40

I agree with you on the idea that people saw White men standing up to the government but I also agree with Anglin that a better cause could have been used. For example, rather than fight this "libertarian" fight that most Americans don't understand, why not fight against faggot marriage, Black lives matter, immigration flood, the rape of our women by niggers and Muslims or gun control or many other issues that people could easily understand. If you are going to be against the government and are going to go out in a blaze of glory - get a cause that energizes people into supporting you and may lead to real change.

#41

Ranchers need to hire labor as well.

What type of labor did they use? The white kind or the hispanic kind?

#42

I am glad you believe the Jew media and think regular farmers/ranchers hire mexicans. LMAO!

The reality is hardly any farmers/ranchers hire mexicans or any non-whites. In fact, most farmers/ranchers don't even have employees period. It is just family farms/ranches. I live and am from the Western Upper Midwest and I have never seen a rancher/farmer around here with mexican workers. Like I said, most don't even have any employees. Even if they need part time help like during harvest, they don't hire mexicans. Where would they even find mexicans out in the "country", mexicans only live in the cities around here? Seems you are confusing these giant Jew owned Agribusiness corporations with regular farmers/ranchers.

I have no idea what your agenda is in trying to demonize European-American farmers/ranchers. Hopefully it is not because you are a KIKE. Jew 101, make city and rural folks hate each other. Exactly what happened in the Jew Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

PS, Mexicans don't even pick fruits like oranges. The farmers have machines that shake the trees and make them fall out of the tree. So don't believe the Jew media, "they are just poor people doing the jobs white people don't want to do, who else is going to pick our fruits and vegetables?"

Please stop spewing your nonsense!

#43

I am afraid that it is simply not true that there are no White Gentile ranchers, agribusiness owners, commercial farmers that bring in, exploit cheap illegal alien labor, or just cheap non White labor like Somalian Bantu Muslims being brought in by Tyson Foods to work in food processing plants in Middle TN. I was there in the League of the South Protests against Tyson Foods and specifically against Tyson Foods CEO Donny Smith, the $ 8 million a year #$&*@ that refuses to use White American labor paying a living wage. There are so many examples of traitorous White agribusiness leaders - the Onion King of Georgia, or just the large commercial farmers in California using up all the fresh water reserves and gutting immigration enforcement. As for rancher Bundy Family and his militia - I gave a direct quote from the family head Cliven Bundy - do you dispute this quote or defend this quote?:

"Now let me talk about the Spanish people. Now I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here, and they’re people. And I’ve worked beside a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together. And I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people going to be with us.”"

#44

I respond:

I am afraid yours is just wishful thinking, it's a mistake we keep making over and over again. We see some White guy(s) who looks like us, sounds like us, his/their supporters look and sound like us, they speak some issues that we agree with and then we believe they are all for us on live or mostly die, die, die racial issues like massive non White immigration, Black crime, cultural attacks on our living and our dead. My god, so many Viet Nam war veterans thought ex POW John McCain was the best at defending our borders from illegal immigration and drug smuggling. Polls showed that South Carolina (White) voters actually believe this horrible lie. Also the Christian Religious Right was overwhelmingly White, our side thought RR leaders like ex Baptist preacher, Arkansas governor Mike the Huckster Huckabee we solid on immigration this was at a time when the Huckster was giving speeches to LaRaza groups saying he looked forward to the time that White Southerns like him were a minority in the South and the GOP had to embrace mass Latino immigration because we missed the MLK Black civil rights movement.

As for your asserting that the Bundy Ranchers are all for closed borders, this just isn't true. Cliven Bundy the leader of this rancher family clan has made insane, treasonous comments about mass Mestizo Mexican immigration, he thinks they're Spanish! Please try to dispute, refute this Cliven Bundy quote:

"“Now let me talk about the Spanish people. Now I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here, and they’re people. And I’ve worked beside a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together. And I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people going to be with us.”

#45

You act like you are making your whole argument against farmers/ranchers all about Bundy and giant Jew owned Agribusiness. I don't give a fuck about Bundy or whatever mormom cause he was trying to achieve. I do feel sorry for those ranchers that got put in prison for 5 years for nothing though and the guy that sounds like got executed by the Feds. Bundy hijacked their whole cause though.

What Bundy was fighting the BLM over a year or so ago was completley different as well. He was not paying his fucking rent payment to run his cattle on that federal land. All other ranchers pay it, Bundy thinks he can do it for free though because he is a Mormom.

I do approve of European-American militias though.

Tyson foods is now just like regular family owned European-American farms/ranches? HAHA

I think your nose just grew and started to look like a beak.

#46

A White European American "family farm" is ~ 200 acres or less in places like Wisconsin. A farm, ranch, agribusiness that needs 20 miles to ranch, farm and needs 100 workers, laborers - that's not really a White European American family farm - it's more like a Hacienda and this type of Agribusiness ALWAYS, ALWAYS falls down in to using, exploiting cheap non White workers, "happy slaves". The non White low wage works, happy slaves never remain happy slaves, these populations once in White societies as low wage workers proceed to F*$(#*@ our public schools, hospitals, recreate the same nasty gang crime ridden slums these non Whites left for a better life, to do the jobs White Americans don't want to do.

No, White European Americans don't want to be low wage, neo slaves!

I must caution all DS readers not to fall for false conservative ways of thinking and acting. Lots of things like being "pro life" simply are wrong in the worst non White communities, third world places like Haiti or Memphis TN.

Don't write off the White Liberals.

Remember Hitler was a former artist, a vegetarian he led a socialist workers party - that's not anything goes economic conservatism or Libertarianism.

#47

I love how you are arguing with yourself. Whatever the fuck you are talking about now, has nothing to do with my reply to you.

I just said above to you and have said every time, I am not sticking up for Tyson foods or other giant Jew owned Agribusiness corporations or Bundy and whatever his Mormom agenda is/was. But that is all you want to talk about, while you throw in regular family European-American farms/ranches in with them.

#48

@SilverDawn @Spartacus @1TryByall @RoxanaAlexander @JackOccidentalDissen

TL; DR The Hammonds got hosed. The BLM wants their ranch and has been trying to get it for years. The original charges were complete BS/ they were railroaded for doing something that ranchers have done for generations, and the BLM does all the time (burning grass in the middle of nowhere), they already had served their time and then GOT SENT BACK to prison when the prosecution appealed.

The problem with this whole episode is that the issues are not obvious to most people, so it's tough to get popular support to make it a good hill to die on. There's no question that this is part of a war on rural white people, though. Not as obvious as the South African farmer attacks, but coming from the same place.

The only place I saw good coverage of this whole episode and its background was a website that's basically what you guys would call "patriotards". It's kind of frustrating, because they're kind of halfway there-- they HATE cuckservatives and love Trump; any one of them would gladly dance on Paul Ryan's or Mitch McConnell's grave, but they're not ready for the JQ. If anyone wants to understand the story, take a look at the link that follows, but PLEASE don't go all "gas the kikes" on these people in the comments; it will just trigger the "evil anti-semites, defend muh greatest ally" reflex, when they're already on our side on a lot of stuff. I wish there was a good way to nudge them a little farther in the right direction. Anyway, here's the link:

Edit: OK, I tried putting a link, but it displayed a preview of the whole damn page (very long) thus messing up this thread, so I'll disable the link with a (dot). Just copy/ paste/ edit to "." if you're interested:

http://theconservativetreehouse(dot)com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

Highlights:

In the early fall of 2001 the Hammonds started a prescribed fire on their private property. They notified the fire department beforehand. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time.

They were arrested after the backfire, and both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney's Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges for the same "crimes"; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (intended to be used against people who bomb buildings, not people who burn grass in the middle of nowhere).

BLM does prescribed burns and backfires all the time, and has burned buildings and cattle doing so; not only are they not prosecuted, but ranchers are out of luck when it comes to compensation. The Hammonds burned some grass, so they're terrorists.

The feds brought in jurors from a distant city-- they didn't understand the issues, were tired from commuting hours every day, and went along with the feds and convicted. The judge had an apparent attack of conscience and ignored the 5 year minimum, sentencing one of them to 3 months and the other to 12 months in jail. They also had to pay $400,000 in fines to the BLM. For burning grass.

They served their sentences, then in 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which
surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with U.S. Attorney Amanda Marshall, appealed and got the 9th District Court to re-sentence them to 5 years each. For burning grass. In the middle of nowhere. Oh and they also had to agree to give first right of refusal to BLM for any sale of the ranch, AND they still owe $200,000 of the original fine, so BLM will probably just take the ranch.

Marshall, the (former) US attorney, is a total nutcase/ SJW, raised on a commune by a hippie single mom, whose prior legal experience was in "child advocacy" (taking peoples children away to give to homos) who was appointed by Obama because reasons. Oh, and she got fired for stalking a guy who was one of her subordinates in her office, WHILE he was under 24 hour armed guard due to a Mexican drug dealer death threat. Marshall is married with three kids.

I completely agree that they should have made a stand to stop the Hammonds' judicial kidnapping, not at the refuge (zero symbolic value).