Well said, I do think they should go and support Donald Trump. The libertarian freeman of the land/sovereign citizen theory never works!
This shows that gun owners like them are just as scared because they don't want to die like what happened to one guy.
The situation in Oregon wasn't technically a 'cattle-grazing liberation campaign'..it's linked to it because the Bundy brothers made their name standing up for their father over grazing rights in Nevada a couple of years ago
This standoff was over a couple of ranchers that had been jailed over some controlled burnings that spread to BLM land...the ranchers had served their sentence but a federal prosecutor demanded they be re-jailed for the maximum 5 year sentence...the older rancher is 76 years old.
Agreed this was not the hill to die on and it was handled poorly and the Bundys and their followers were asked repeatedly by the local patriot community not to come.
A tipping point scenario is going to have to be more heinous (even though what the BLM/DOJ did in this case is outrageous) and easily understood by the masses for any effective change to be made
Yeah, I know.
Though the charges were still related to cattle-grazing. And two days into the protest the men charged turned themselves in and told Bundy to stop. This whole time, everyone was telling him to stop, as no one could figure out how anything positive could come from what he was doing.
They managed to get hysterical Jews and negroes at Salon, Atlantic, and other MSM outlets to vilify whites as "terrorists".
You can't convince enough people to conduct total war on the federal government if you can't even get them to vote your way. And you don't start with total, frontal war with the US government in the first place! Even the US military did an end run around Saddam's forces in Kuwait. The allies spent months faking out the Germans about the invasion of Europe. These militia folks need to grow a brain, they pick fights they cannot win.
IMO very very good analysis of the situation from commenter brabantian @ alt-market.com...
*May God bless the spirit of LaVoy Finicum as he begins his sojourn in the world beyond this one ... and may the angels bring comfort to his family
LaVoy Finicum joins the list of other people, such as Joe Stack who flew the small aeroplane into a Texas fed gov tower a few years ago, who put themselves into the path of death in attempts to fight against & raise awareness about the US regime ... attempts which were all perhaps foolish or worse, but which did involve courage and bravery beyond the ordinary.
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What is striking to some of us in viewing this debacle, is the lost opportunity to focus on what could have been the lightning rod for real mass awakening of US citizens against their fascist regime ... the appalling jailing & imprisonment of innocent people railroaded by the USA's hopelessly corrupt & useless courts
In this case in Oregon it was the Hammonds, father & son ... wrongfully, illegally & un-Constitutionally sent to prison not just once, but now the 2nd time for the same trumped-up offence
Theirs was a case worth making a stand-off over, but BEFORE they went to prison ... the Hammonds meekly accepted going to prison, but it seems clear this was only because the Liberty movement did not gather together in strength to urge upon the Hammonds that their plight could be the case that wakes up all of America
Blocking US gov agents from kidnapping the Hammonds, would have been worth the life-and-death risks of stand-off civil disobedience
Imprisonment of the innocent 'ordered' by corrupt-beyond-repair US courts, is THE ISSUE ... the US gulag is already so huge, that 1 out of 50 US working-age males, is in jail RIGHT NOW as you read this ... there is a 15% chance for any US male, that he will be in prison where the Hammonds are, at some point in his life
Let me recall for you again, the words of great Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn, speaking of the time of Russian totalitarianism, when Russia had a gulag that is the size of the USA gulag now, & when Russia was illegally imprisoning honourable people like the Hammonds
Solzhenitsyn saw, that blocking the gov seizure of citizens to go into the gulag prison camps, was THE ISSUE on which common citizens should take a stand, that would have brought the fascist machine to a halt. Solzhenitsyn wrote:
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive & had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door & at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose & had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? ... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers & transport & notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If ... if ... We didn't love freedom enough. And even more - we had no awareness of the real situation ... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn *
Thanks for putting this issue to rest, Andre. It's sad a man died, but they had no plan or goal, from my understanding. It wasn't BLM level stupidity, but still very dumb.
Well the american legal system certainly seems corrupt from here. But most people thrown in jail are , to my knowledge, unstable criminal niggers that, were they not in jail, would be out selling crack and shooting people because that's what the jews have programed them for after the "freed them" from labouring at the white mans farms. Where they were beeing programmed for productive labour instead of destruction.
The whole situation stinks, not to mention Oath Keepers and Three Percenters are both kosher groups. I'd be willing to bet these militias are more infiltrated than biker gangs.
Thank you for connecting the dots. One man can rarely make a difference. But when men join togehter, sometimes, Empires topple.
This couldn't have ended any other way. It's a miracle the body count was only one. Armed standoffs by Whites against the anti-White government don't work. Trolling and spreading memes does.
There are people around the country who've been watching this whole situation. They didn't care about the reasons, only that some white men were finally taking a stand. THAT is all that matters. The reasons are trivial and pointless, the only thing that matters is that WHITE MEN TOOK A STAND!
The Revolutionary War started over trivial matters also. The taxes the colonists had to pay was minuscule compared to today's taxes, but firebrand political agitators stoked the flames of public indignation and started a revolution. That's what we have to do also.
Don't just point a finger and saying, "Ah HA! I told you so!" Don't kick a bunch of white men when they're down. These patriotards are closer to us on the political spectrum than any other group, why would you want to alienate them? They're anti-Jew banker. They're anti-open borders. They already hate Muslims and lazy niggers. We can work with that.
Sure, we could all see that this wasn't going to work, but most people don't sit around reading books on revolutions or insurgencies. But, there is some propaganda value that can be gleaned from this protest's failure and propaganda is our best weapon.
Look at how the Feds ambushed this group and killed a guy who had his hands up. I haven't read anywhere that the militiamen even shot back. Sounds like murder to me. This shows that the government will kill you whenever it's convenient for them.
"The Feds killed an unarmed WHITE MAN." - Use that. Spread that around. Show the rest of the fence sitters and patriotards that this isn't a game: "The Feds will take your guns. The Feds(zog) will enslave you. The Feds/ZOG is against your white, Christian values. The KIKE ZOG(!) wants foreigners to take your land and your country from you! - That's the message we should be spreading. Spread it at Oath Keepers' meetings. Spread it on Alex Jone's Jew website. Go on Brietbart. Go on Fox News. Spread it, show people that they're totally screwed if they don't become hardcore racists like us, because there really is no other option.
We need these people. Their only problem was that their leadership sucked and they had zero discipline. The NSDAP started out as a tiny club of like 6-8 guys. Total nobodies, completely clueless dolts blundering around; and yet, Hitler turned it into a powerful organization that nearly liberated Europe from the Jews and their communist hatchetmen.
Any white man who wants to fight the Jew and the mud race hordes is my brother. The patriotards are already against the Jew, they just call them the "Federal Reserve" and the "US Government." Use that. Welcome them to our side. Point the Jew out every chance you get and convert them from Libertarian patriotards into the race realist, SS stormtroopers of tomorrow who will plant the flag of National Socialism through the eye socket of the skull of the last kike enemy.
Where's the video of the guy with his hands up? The ranchers all had cameras out recording when the situation began, months ago. I'd be willing to bet that most of the militia men are Feds, or attend their local mason lodge.
I think it's telling that Trump hasn't even mentioned this, and that no one has brought it up to him. I do feel for the fallen rancher though, he seemed like a really cool guy.
I can't say that I'm totally surprised they didn't fight to death for their cows' rights. Well, one of them did. RIP.
You seem to have missed the fact that the Hammonds were originally being charged under a terrorism act, but the original judge in the case refused to apply the logic that they were terrorists under that legislation, so a deal was cut for a reduced sentence. The Feds, after the deal was cut and the Hammonds went to jail, appealed that the Hammonds were guilty under the terrorism act, and won that appeal. In short, the FEDS HAD ALREADY CONVICTED THE HAMMONDS AS TERRORISTS. That, along with the Feds illegally confiscating land, is what the protest was about.
There are reports that it is Hillary who's behind the theft of all of that land so as to hand it over to a Russian uranium mining company. This would give that company 1/5th control of American Uranium deposits in America.
My heart goes out to these white ranchers and the militias who went to support them but with "leaders" like these two selling out their own supporters, they were obviously doomed from the get go.
If anyone is to make a stand against the "Jews" of the DC/US Corporation (which under the law of the land for America, isn't even a Government) you had better be ready, willing and able to give your life for your cause. Obviously these two who started this didn't fit the minimum criteria and because of that many fine white people with noble hearts will be put in jail on more trumped up charges.
Damn shame!
This whole thing and all these issues in the West was about the jurisdiction of the Federal Government and it's false extension of power using the untoward extension of their alleged jurisdiction to implement control over both land and the population of that land. The government only has limited jurisdiction under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution. Their courts are Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2 Territorial courts that lack jurisdiction over the 50 sovereign states party to the Constitution. That is the crux of this not "grazing rights". If the people take back jurisdiction the Federal Government has absolutely no power over the people of the 50 States party to the Constitution. I agree that some of these guys bitched up at the end but the basic premise of jurisdiction is correct. And that has been lost in this whole argument. DS has a platform to push this issue if it cares to use it. This issue is huge. Now little cows and what they eat and where.
Good thread. These guys were brave but did it wrong. I would only add that popular support does not always mean a majority. The Founders were a small fraction of the population, but had substantial support as well. They also were forced to resort to violence in the end
We will see whether the yids~and~traitors~that~be will allow peaceful change ALA Trump.. you know what I've said about that, but for those who didn't read my prior comments, I believe they will not. What then?
Yea at first i was like yee haaww...and then i tryed read into what it was all about, and found myself lost on some ranch on something that happened 20 years ago. Wasted a good couple of hours trying to figure it all out...but still never did.