Do you not believe in the concept of a creator at all? I believe that there is a creator of the universe and that creator made Whites the most highly evolved life form on Earth. I also believe that Creator chose to give our people both Odin and Jesus for philosophical, historical, and cultural sustenance. That makes both religions real for our people.
Aryan Esoterica: Odin, the Runes, Gnosticism and Christ
KarlHanke
#90
------------------------- Hail Odin! -------------------------
------------------------- Allfather ---------------------------
------------------------Wise warrior------------------------
------------------One eyed wanderer --------------------
-----------------Come! Sit at my fire.---------------------
------------Tell me your wisdom stories,--------------
--------The scenes your missing eye sees.---------
------------You who chooses the slain,---------------
--------------Look upon my deeds,---------------------
----------And when my time comes,-------------------
------------To run the sky with you,--------------------
--------Let my end be worthy of song.---------------
----------------In the meantime,--------------------------
--------------------Let me feel------------------------------
------Excitement and poetry and fury and joy.----
---Let me understand the meaning of sacrifice--
--------------------Think long,-----------------------------
-----------------Remember well,--------------------------
-----------------And journey far.-------------------------
------------------------Odin!---------------------------------
--------------------Witness this.---------------------------
JGTThrasher
#91
As I think about it, I see that the real issue is not with Christians or about a donkey. It is an issue with spiritual reality and the validity of divine intervention. He is an athiest for a reason.
KarlHanke
#92
This is a really bad quote and I don't think you should use it.
"The Vedas" as a term doesn't make sense. The "third eye" speak with a picture of a guy sitting and smoking makes no sense. Then there is a spelling error:
Which just makes it seem like the type of thing someone who is pretentious and stupid would post.
Hence being genetically "pure" is such a fucking joke in this context. This image can be used to show how stupid white nationalists are.
You're welcome.
Heilstormer
#93
Agreed. It is worth noting that all Aryan religion throughout the ages has come from the same cultural proto-Aryan mythos.
-The sky father Dyēus Ph₂tḗr (Deus pater, Deus, Dievas, Tiwaz/Týr, Zeus).
-The honorable warrior fighting the chaotic, malicious, "split-tongued" serpent/dragon (Hercules vs the Hydra, Sigurd vs Fafnir, Thor vs Jörmungandr, Perun vs Veles, St. George vs the Dragon).
-The god of poetry, the god of war, the god of fertility etc. in paganism, and the patron saint of these categories (etc.) in christianity are essentially one and the same. The chief god (Jupiter, Odin, Zeus, Perun) was replaced by the one god and several elements were syncretized (hence why Germanic christians saw Jesus as an Odin-like "warrior king").
-Even the cross is eternally Aryan:
As found among the pre-proto Germanics of the Nordic Bronze age culture:
As well as among their pre-proto Celtic contemporaries in Switzerland:
In the Christian form (showing syncretism between the preceding sun crosses and the asymmetrical Roman cross used to execute Jesus):
And modern NS form (showing syncretism between the christian celtic cross and the pre-christian sun crosses):
What Christianity did was essentially to standardize the various tribal Aryan myths into a common, centralized frame of reference.
Paganism and Christianity are two sides of the same Aryan coin. Aryans have never converted in the true sense. We've just adapted and united our faith. I personally believe that a new reformation of the ancient eternal faith is in order, so that we can remove antiquated "turn the other cheek", "there is neither jew nor greek; [...] you are all one in [god]", "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" dogma. This dogma may have served us well in homogeneous societies, but as we're all painfully aware by now, this mentality of universalism and generosity has now become a death trap for our race.
Odinists trigger zuckerberg,
Why I Don't Identify as a National Socialist
Odinists trigger zuckerberg,
Borealsky88
#95
Absolutely. These christian identity jokers never get tired of trying to push the weird idea that hebrews were Indo-europeans even though genetics, archaeology, and linguistics simply don't support their position.
SaulMcGill
#96
Semites (mesopotamians) or egyptians had also such concepts of a sky father, the fight against chaos etc...
Most semites have the J haplogroup, which originated in caucasus.
They were not aryan but had similar beliefs.
KarlHanke
#97
Sven you are really taking leaps here.
Not to mention that that particular part of the Rig Veda was most certainly an interpolation.
Ok that's just a screen grab from the Rig Veda wiki, but the fact is that the only people who say it isn't an interpolation are the ones with vested interests (i.e. their religion would not be 'bonefide').
What?
Are you really doing this leap now?
I think the point is that you are Christianizing something which has, fundamentally, nothing to do with Christianity. That's the problem.
Heilstormer
#100
True, but all this means is that it's not at odds with our Aryan ancestral religion. Paganism and Christianity are, as I said, variations of the proto-Aryan faith.
We'd be wise to isolate ourselves from untrustworthy Semites, regardless of actual past genetic and cultural ties.
SaulMcGill
#101
Sure, but if semite ancestors lived in the caucasus, they had contact with proto-aryans at one point, no ?
And semites did created agriculture, writting, and cities.
They were rich as fuck when proto-aryans were still semi-nomadic, the latter then moved south, hittites, persians...
Heilstormer
#102
I used to be like you as an adolescent.
People need spirituality in one form or another. If you see biblical stories and dogma as metaphores rather than literal truths (i.e. "god" is not santa clause in the sky, but rather a metaphore for the eternal laws of nature: Evolution, gravity etc.) then I think you'll eventually understand the point of religion.
KarlHanke
#103
Sorry but I can't let this go.
You shouldn't just quote things and use them without knowing what you are talking about. Maybe it is OK 99% of the time and people are impressed with your "knowledge".
But then there is some random fucker on DS who studied Sanskrit for years and he can't help but think that you are being disingenuous to the max here.
The entire fucking book is about sacrifice.
Myrgroht
#104
Just to clarify, Odin did indeed sacrifice himself to himself, though his name is also tied in with Yggdrasil, the Sacred Tree that is the creator of the First Gods. Therefore the interpretation can also be read as Odin, the Sacrifice, sacrificed himself to/on the Odin/Yggdrasil/Sacrifice.
Also, the word God itself comes from the Lombardian name Goden, which is another name for Odin. It was shortened by Monks to GOD and eventually used by Christians for their Creator. Odin's name means many things depending on the translation.
As mentioned earlier, Yggdrasil is the Origin of First Gods, The Jotuns. All the Gods are descendants of the Jotuns. The Sacred Tree, where all things are bound and who's destinies are weaved by the Three Sisters, the Norns, the Guardians of Yggdrasil,
The Three Brothers, Odin, Vili, and Vi found two trees that came from Yggdrasil, an Ash, and an Elm tree. The Three Brothers then created the first two humans, Ash and Elm(Ask and Embla) and gave them nine gifts. Ash and Elm went on to be the creators of the White Race, our true or birth Father and Mother.
Odin is not just our Creator, Vili and Vi are too. They are our Three Fathers, we also have Three Mothers, the Norns, Yet Yggdrasil is our Prime Creator and of the Gods, for even the Gods bow down to the will of Yggdrasil and the Norns.
Therefore,
The Three Trees(Yggdrasil, Ash & Elm),
The Three Sisters,(Urd, Verdandi & Skuld)
The Three Brothers,(Odin, Vili & Vi)
Is a Valknut,
Trinity within a Trinity within a Trinity.
A Sacrifice to a Sacrifice, to a Sacrifice.
Each of the Three, have a Prime important character, for the trees its Yggdrasil, for the Sisters it's Urd, and for the Brothers it's Odin.
Yggdrasil, Odin, and Urd.
A Tree, a Brother(Man) and a Sister(Woman).
This is the Sacred Trinity of the Germanic Tribes.
It's also how we end at Ragnarok, with Líf(female) and Lífþrasir(male) being the only two humans to survive the great battle and hide in a Tree.
Anyway probably went off on a tangent there but I felt the need to clarify. Also, one last thing I notice that the Sunwheel is often backward, that's what I always felt, I did some research, and it appears I was correct.
Heilstormer
#105
Perhaps (though the timing doesn't match. Afro-Asiatic is several thousand years older than Indo-European), or perhaps it's nostratic in origin:
Turkics also have their sky father, Tengri.
Or perhaps it's from an even more ancient source:
I am generally sceptical of "paleolithic continuity" theories, though.
JesusWasNotAJew
#106
Sin is transgression of the Law.
Christian concept of hell is not in the Holy Scriptures.
The Holy Scriptures are clear that Jesus is not a jew.
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SaulMcGill
#108
and scythians are rumoured to have been as far as china and mongolia, inspiring the natives there.
For art and warfare (mounted archers).
Heilstormer
#109
Well, since Aryans seem to have brought the wheel to China, it wouldn't be too surprising if they also managed to bring the sky god there:
The word for ‘wheel’ is strikingly similar in languages across Eurasia. The Proto-Indo-European term was *Kwekwlos, derived from the indigenous PIE root *Kwel- (to twist, to turn), so it is unlikely that *Kwekwlos was a loan word. Seemingly derived words for the wheel across Eurasia include Sumerian "girgir", Hebrew "galgal", Georgian "gorgal", and the Chinese words "gulu" (Mandarin) and "gukluk" (Cantonese).