.................................................................R.............. GUNS FIRED UNDERWATER. . . . . In the first experiment, a service automatic pistol cal. .45 M1911 was used. The bullet was removed, the powder dumped, and the primer flash hole covered with a disk of tape to keep out the water. The primed case was inserted in the gun, the barrel was filled with water, and the gun was fired holding the muzzle upwards. There was a mild "splat" and the water was blown upward against the ceiling. The next question was whether the firing mechanism would be made so sluggish by being underwater that the primer might not fire. To test this, the pistol was loaded with a primed but otherwise empty case, and the gun was fully submerged and fired. There was no noise, but a spurt of what looked like ink was ejected from the muzzle to a distance of about a foot. Thus reassured that the mechanism would acctually fire under water, the same pistol loaded with a service ball cartridge was fastened in a heavy vise on the bottom of the tank, measuring 40"x24"x24", filled with water. Care was taken to assure that the pistol barrel was filled with water. On firing (by remote control), there was quite a disturbance, with a lot of water being splashed out of the tank. The bullet passed successively thru 16" of water, a 7/8" soft pine board, 6" more of water, and finally came to rest against a second board, making a deep dent in it. The pistol did not quite eject the empty cartridge, but jammed with the slide part way open and the cartridge caught in the ejection opening. The pistol was not damaged. Next, a cal. 30.06 model 1903A3 service rifle (with the stock removed) was placed in the vise on the bottom of the tank and loaded with an M2 service round (152-gr. bullet, about 2800 fps muzzle velocity). As there was only about 6" of tank, no attempt was made to place anything inside the tank to gauge penetration, but rather, four soft pine boards 7/8" thick were placed outside the end of the tank and in line with the bore. When the rifle was fired (remotely), the bullet penetrated about 6" of water, the 3/64" steel side of the tank, all four boards, and disappeared inside a solid oak plank to a depth of about 2". the bolt could not be opened by hand, but yielded easily to a few light taps with a rawhide hammer. The case just back of the cannelure had expanded by about .032" and the primer pocket had opened up from the standard .209 to .228" and the primer was punctured so that a quantity of black smoke was observed to excape from the surface of the water near the breech when the gun was fired. The case and primer pocket expansion noted above are greater than those usually seen when a 70,000 psi high preasure teast cartridge is fired in the same type of gun, so the preassure was probably quite a bit higher than 70,000 psi. This is understandable, as the bore full of water would weigh about 385 gr. , which is equivalent to adding 2 1/2 additional bullets to the mass that the powder has to move. In spite of this additional resistance, the rifle showed no buldging of the barrel or other damage. While this limited test is interesting, it should be borne in mind that it is not definitive. The results could be different if the same test were to be tried with a higher intensity cartridge, such as the .220 Swift or some of the magnum cartridges with extra large case capacity. JULIAN S. HATCHER