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Established in 1994, the Adelaide Institute was formed from the former Truth Mission that was established in 1993 by Dr Gerald Fredrick Toben.. The Adelaide Institute is a Holocaust denial or revisionist group in Australia and is considered to be both a hate group and Anti-Semitic by Australian and international human rights groups.
Members of the Institute have in the past been active in organisations such as Australians For Free Speech, which held a rally in 1994 at which Holocaust denial was a major theme. The Institute has also been implicated in distributing Holocaust denials through mainstream and alternative publications. Letters to the editors and talk back radio appears to be a favourite means of disseminating the worldview of the Institute. Prior to the opening of the film Schindler's List in Adelaide members of the institute were implicated in distributing Holocaust Denial pamphlets on the streets and through the mail to individuals, particularly those of Jewish background. In addition the members of the institute sent Holocaust Denials to prominent Australian newspapers masqueraded as objective movie reviews, some of which reached publication.
These actions are typical of those that the Institute undertakes in its stated goal of exposing "the Holocaust myth". The activity of the Institute seems to declined since its initial burst of activity in the middle 1990s. The Institute does however still maintain a website on which statements on various issues are regularly posted.
The Adelaide Institute website, triggered the arrest of Fredrick Toben in Germany in April 1999. Toben was sentenced to 10 months in prison, but since he had already served seven months since his arrest, he was released upon payment of a $5000 bond.
It was also this website that drew the attention of the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC) in 2000. HREOC found that the Adelaide Institute had breached section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act by publishing material on the website, the consequences of which were 'vilificatory, bullying, insulting and offensive' to the Jewish population and ordered Toben to close the site and apologise to people he has offended. Because rulings of the HREOC are not enforceable at law, the case was also brought before the Federal Court of Australia, which ordered in 2002 that certain material be removed from the Adelaide Institute web site.
The Order of the Federal Court of Australia was that Adelaide Institute should remove from its website;
(iii) any other material which conveys the following imputations or any of them
(A) there is serious doubt that the Holocaust occurred;
(B) it is unlikely that there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz;
(C) Jewish people who are offended by and challenge Holocaust denial are of limited intelligence;
(D) some Jewish people, for improper purposes, including financial gain, have exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II and the circumstances in which they were killed.
It has been noted by human rights organisations that the Institute has failed to fully comply with the order of the Federal Court of Australia and still publishes materials that it was ordered to rememove in the 2002 judgement. However so far no organisations have taken legal action against the institue since it is regarded as a somewhat inconsequencial organistaion.
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Harvey Phillip "Phil" Spector (born December 26, 1940) is a highly influential American record producer who turned out some of the best-known popular music of the 1960s and 1970s. The originator of the "Wall of Sound" production technique, Spector first rose to prominence as one of the masterminds behind the 1960s girl group sound. Later in his career he worked with more varied artists, including The Beatles and The Ramones. In 2003 Spector returned to public prominence when he was indicted for murder.
Phil Spector was born into a lower-middle class Jewish family in the Bronx, New York. In 2003, he would reveal in an interview with the Daily Telegraph journalist Mick Brown that his parents were first cousins. "I don't know, genetically, whether or not that had something to do with what I am or who I became," he said. His father committed suicide because of family indebtedness in 1949, and Spector and his family moved to Los Angeles, California in 1953.
Despite his shyness, Spector quickly became heavily involved in the local music scene. His first band was the Teddy Bears, in which he had songwriting and guitar playing duties and was one of three vocalists. The Teddy Bears had one major hit, "To Know Him is to Love Him", which sold over 1 million copies after its release in 1958; the title of the song was taken from Spector's father's epitaph.
Spector's career quickly moved from performing to songwriting to production. Having perfect pitch, he quickly learned how to use a studio, first as an apprentice to Lester Sill and Lee Hazelwood in Arizona and, from 1960, after returning to New York, with Leiber and Stoller.
His first independent production success came in 1961 with the uptempo Pretty Little Angel Eyes, a record by Curtis Lee, backed up by a local doo-wop group called the Halos. Next came "Every Breath I Take" by Gene Pitney, also backed by the Halos. Later that year he returned to L.A., and, still less than 21 years old, formed his own record label, Philles Records, in partnership with Sill. Given full creative control, Spector began to produce an unprecedented string of hits.
He worked at first with established artists such as Johnny Nash, but soon found his vision easier to fulfill through Girl groups of his own devising. The groups — including The Crystals, Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans, and The Ronettes — were often wholly interchangeable, with lineups based on who was available and whose voice he thought would fit the material (though mainly with Darlene Love, a particular favorite). Although predominantly singles-based, Spector's groups did record at least one classic album: A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector (1963).
Spector's trademark during that era was the so-called Wall of Sound, a production technique yielding a dense, layered effect that was very effective and dramatic, and carried especially well on AM radio and jukeboxes. To attain this signature sound, Spector gathered large groups of musicians (playing some instruments not generally used for ensemble playing, such as electric and acoustic guitars) playing orchestrated parts — often using many instruments playing in unison — for a fuller sound. Dozens of musicians and instruments would be jammed into Spector's tiny Gold Star studio, with the sound reverberating off the walls adding to the effect.
While Spector directed the overall sound of his recordings, he took a relatively hands-off approach to working with the musicians themselves (usually a core group that became known as The Wrecking Crew, including session players such as Hal Blaine and Carol Kaye and future stars such as Mac Rebennack (a.k.a. "Dr. John"), Glen Campbell and Leon Russell), delegating arrangement duties to Jack Nitzsche and having Sonny Bono oversee the performances, viewing these two as his 'lieutenants'.
Spector was already known as a temperamental and quirky personality with strong, often unconventional ideas about musical and recording techniques. Despite the trend towards multi-channel recording, Spector was also vehemently opposed to stereo releases, claiming that it took control of the record's sound away from the producer in favor of the listener. Spector also greatly preferred singles to albums, describing LPs as "two hits and ten pieces of junk".
After a string of girl-group hits through the early- and mid-1960s, Spector produced "You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin'" for The Righteous Brothers in late 1964; the record was a huge success and marked the pinnacle of the Wall of Sound production technique. Spector then became embroiled in record-company wrangles, fighting Lester Sill for control of Philles Records and managing his own Phil Spector Records (under contractual agreement with Sill, this label only issued singles recorded by Veronica "Ronnie" Bennett of the Ronettes). Amidst these conflicts and reports of increasingly eccentric behavior, Spector produced "River Deep - Mountain High" for Ike and Tina Turner in 1966, a recording he considered his best work. A hit in the UK, the song failed to catch on in the U.S., and Spector announced a self-described "retirement" at age 25. Already something of a recluse, Spector withdrew almost entirely from the public eye, marrying Ronnie Bennett in 1968 and emerging briefly for a cameo as a drug dealer in the film Easy Rider (1969).
In 1970, Allen Klein, manager to three of the Beatles, had brought Spector to England to possibly record with the group, or produce for their label Apple Records. (Spector had actually met the Beatles on their historic first visit to the US in 1964, and each had long admired the other.) After successfully completing John Lennon's song "Instant Karma! (We All Shine On)" in a single session with him, Yoko Ono and John Lennon, Spector was asked to take on the task of turning the tapes from the abandoned Let It Be recording sessions into a usable album. Spector went quickly to work, using many of his well-known production techniques to sweeten and significantly change the sound of the songs. While this project was viewed as a major comeback for Spector, it was also part of the contentious break-up of The Beatles; the re-working of the album was done without the approval of Paul McCartney, who was very critical of the results.
Let It Be was not a typical Spector production. Spector applied his "Wall of Sound" technique sparingly to two songs: George Harrison's "I Me Mine" and Lennon's "Across the Universe." He also added vocal snippets and short song takes between the complete songs on the album. His most significant reworking was to Paul McCartney's "The Long and Winding Road", to which Spector added an entire orchestra, including harp, transforming McCartney's sparse, piano-based ballad into a lush production. This reworking of "Winding Road" triggered a long-standing feud between McCartney and Spector and only added to the animosity that existed between The Beatles. For the most part, Spector left the other performances on Let It Be alone.
Through the 1970s and early 1980s Spector continued a pattern of reclusiveness interrupted by occasional production projects, working on albums for Lennon, Harrison, and The Ramones. In 1975, he created Phil Spector International, which worked with artists such as Cher, Dion, Harry Nilsson, Dusty Springfield, Tina Turner and Darlene Love. He also re-teamed with Yoko Ono in 1981 to co-produce Season of Glass, her first work after Lennon's death.
Spector remained inactive throughout most of the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s. He attempted to work with Céline Dion, but the project fell through. His most recent released project has been "Silence Is Easy" by Starsailor, released in 2003. He was originally supposed to produce the entire album, but was fired due to personal and creative differences. Plans to work with The Vines were halted due to his murder trial.
The influence of Phil Spector's sound and recording techniques is felt far beyond the recordings he actually produced. Many lesser producers simply attempted (with limited success) to emulate the Wall of Sound, while Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys—a fellow adherent of mono recording—considered Spector his main competition and spent hours studying and attempting to replicate and improve upon Spector's sound. Bruce Springsteen, another outspoken fan of Spector's work, emulated the Wall of Sound technique in his recording of "Born to Run".
For his many contributions to the music industry, Spector was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1989.
Spector has shunned publicity and is widely regarded as eccentric, having descended into many conflicts with the artists, songwriters, and promoters that he worked with. Stories include his discharging a firearm while in the studio with John Lennon during the recording of his cover album Rock 'n' Roll and placing a loaded pistol at Leonard Cohen's head during the sessions for Death of a Ladies' Man. Dee Dee Ramone also reported that Spector threatened the Ramones during their recording sessions with him.
Phil and Ronnie Spector divorced in 1974. In 2000, Ronnie Spector successfully sued him for over $2 million for breach of contract over unpaid royalties to the Ronettes.
On February 3, 2003, Spector was arrested for murder after the body of 40-year-old actress Lana Clarkson of Los Angeles was found at his mansion in Alhambra, California. Police responded to a 9-1-1 phone call from one of Spector's neighbors and discovered Clarkson, who had been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene. On November 20, 2003, Spector was indicted for Clarkson's murder.
Just four weeks prior to the death of Clarkson, Spector had admitted in an interview with the British Daily Telegraph that he suffers from bipolar disorder and that he considered himself "relatively insane". [1]
[2] In September 2004 he was ordered to stand trial in Los Angeles.
On October 28, 2005, a judge ruled that potentially damning statements said to have been made to police can be used against him. Spector's lawyers had sought to have ruled as inadmissible an apparent statement made by Mr. Spector after Lana Clarkson was shot dead at his home. Spector allegedly said: "I didn't mean to shoot her". His lawyer, Bruce Cutler, argued that comments attributed to the music producer should be thrown out because he was suffering from prescription-drug withdrawal symptoms at the time.
Phil Spector is currently free on $1 million bail.
On the Treblinka concentration camp page I added
Historians question the veracity of the Treblinka tale
An historian named Dr Toben lead a private archaeological team, who did a complete ground radar scan and found nothing. Five other historians have written books that question claims of anywhere from 900,000 up to 3,000,000 dead. This website presents their conclusions
Goodoldpolonius2 immediately deleted the addition above. His excuse was "This is Holocaust denial, the people leading the archeological dig were holocaust deniers"
My position: ~ When an historian (Dr Toben) disputes a event (Treblinka), where there was no proof, except for Dr Toben's archeological dig, Wikipedia readers have a right to know about the dig.
Movie of Theresienstadt ....Actual movie of camp life...
Movie of Treblinka Expedition....Treblinka archological movie
This is not a serious RfA, as no dispute resolution was followed, Mark Twain's material is pure Holocaust denial stuff, and the only other editor who has weighed (Squiddy) in on the debate utterly rejects Mark Twain's view as well. The facts are as follows: Mark Twain inserted some Holocaust denial garbage into the Treblinka extermination camp page, mainly consisting of a link to a site that blames the Jews for every disaster in history. I removed it. He inserted it again. I removed it, and posted a nice note on his user page[1] and a more detailed one the talk pages explaining that "Dr. Toben" has been found guilty of anti-Semitic incitement by courts in Australia, that his results are not published anywhere, that he is considered over-the-top even by other Holocaust deniers etc. Apparently, that was enough for Mark Twain to post a RfC and an RfA. I doubt if any other editor will disagree with my approach, or think that this material, which involves really nasty disregard for all facts. should be included. Comments, of course, are welcome. --Goodoldpolonius2 15:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
This RfAr is misplaced. Just follow the link that User:Mark twain is attempting to add to multiple articles. It's kind of cute, in an old-fashioned sick way. Jews and the half-Jew Churchill arranged for the sinking of the Lusitania, setting the stage for Wilson to bring us into WW2. Yes, WW2. Kristallnacht consisted of Jewish thugs rampaging. The Jews arranged for Sirhan Sirhan to kill RFK, because RFK would have taken revenge for Israel's killing JFK. Israel faked the Entebbe hijacking. Jews arranged for the hijacking of the Achille Lauro. Mossad blew up the plane over Lockerbie. Black September was a Mossad operation. Timothy McVeigh was a patsy of the Jews... --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I indefinitely blocked Mark twain (talk • contribs). No good will come from him or his ilk at Wikipedia. The Arbitration Committee has enough work already without having to draft and vote on principles and findings-of-fact for everyday trolls. I move that the committee retroactively endorse the block commend Goodoldpolonius2 (talk • contribs) for his excellent work here. Neutralitytalk 23:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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