Puthoff 1993 interview with Roswell witness

Interview with possible Roswell witness on 07 January 1993 by H.E. Puthoff, Institute of Advanced Studies, Austin, TX

Note: The name of this witness was withheld at the request of the person himself because he doesn't want to be known as a "whistleblower:" Interview took place at a location which was an hour and a-half south of Austin Texas on 07 January 1993.

This is being reported in light of Corso's book, "The Day After Roswell", Pocket Books, 1997.

The following is his story:

In 1947 he was only 18 years old, and not in the military. He was a pilot, however, having started his flying career a couple of years earlier. (His aviation career was in evidence every- where; his farm has several airplanes in various stages of repair; there are newspaper articles about his aviation involve- ment in scrapbooks; there are old photos of him at various points of his life with aircraft of vintage; etc). At the time he had been hired to survey some surrounding area (looking for the "Lost Dutchman" mine for a client) and had been flying in the area for days.

Flying over what eventually became known as the Roswell crash site or even the Plains of San Agustin, reflections from metal scattered around a field caught his eye, he thought he saw some bodies and assumed he had come upon an airplane crash. (He was flying a TaylorCraft L2). He circled around and landed in a nearby field and walked toward a rancher's house ("Mac" Brazel??) and told him of the apparent crash. He, the rancher, and the rancher's young son (Bill Brazel??) started out for the site, and he then told the father of the bodies, at which point they turned around and took the son back to the ranch before returning to the site.

He said material was scattered all over, although there was enough of the front end of the craft intact that he could tell that it was "egg-shaped," with the pointed end of the egg pointing in the forward direction. There were three bodies (all dead) in what was left of the front end of the craft. The bodies were small (about 4'), with oversize heads, no hair, and large black eyes with no pupils. He said he pulled back an eyelid to see if there was a white as in ours, but found that, although it was lighter colored, there were no "white of the eyes." Their clothing was elastic-like (he pulled it at the neck and it snapped back); no buttons or zippers. When I asked about skin color he said it reminded him of some American Indian coloring which has a slight blue to it. He said he thought at the time that coloring might have been due to lack of oxygen or somesuch; that is, he wasn't sure this was their natural coloring.

Something which impressed him profoundly about the craft was its plainness on the inside. There was no food, no toilet, only a bench seat, and no buttons, levers, or instrumentation. There was, however, part of the wall which jutted out like a smoothly-connected table which had a slight discoloration to it, and several simple symbols on it, and above it a slightly discolored part of the wall. Later in life when he saw touch- screen computers, he thought that perhaps that was what he was seeing, but of course he would not recognize it at the time.

Although no wiring was seen, hanging from the sheared-off sections of the craft's wall were thick plastic-like threads, which again at the time were unrecognizable, but which he would now say were like optical fibers. They could not be broken by hand, but could be cut. There seemed to be a "wiring" path of these threads between the roof of the craft, down through the wall, and to a set of six coffee-cup-sized, gyroscope-like devices, evenly-spaced around the floor of the craft, at wall's edge, which were mounted in gimbals that could rock in all directions. Six "threads" came to each mount, with two continuing on to the movable element. On the roof of the craft there was a slight discoloration area with a row of dots, and a symbol beside each dot. He likened it to a solar panel. (Microwave beam pickup "rectenna"?)

As far as the structure was concerned, he stated that the walls appeared to be a porcelain-like material, one inch thick, with 0.020" (20 mil) metal foil on both the inside and outside. However, the material, including the "porcelain" was so light it seemed to hardly have any weight at all. He also said that the metal could not be torn or burnt, and when deformed return to its original shape. ( It could be bent about like a 1/16th- inch steel plate). He found it amazing that, even when placed in a vice, it would not show any scratch or surface marks at all after being worked.

At some point others showed up to take command of the situation. When he said that he wanted to go home, they told him he would have to stay around until at least the next day. At some point the next day he was surrounded and harassed about what he saw until he said that he simply wished to be left out of it, and as far as he was concerned, he didn't see anything and just wanted to go home, at which point they let him go stressing the secrecy of the situation.

When I asked him about his personal, psychological response to the event, he said, first, that he felt like he was watching his life from a far hill, it all seemed so unreal to him, until the authorities brought him back to his senses with their questioning. Secondly, he had feelings of deep regret, the way one would if one comes upon the scene of a massive accident and knows there is nothing that he can do to help. He also mentioned that he spent some time at the Roswell hangar where they were putting the material into a C-54 for shipment somewhere, and saw the three bodies laid out on a blanket by the door.

EVALUATION:

With regard to some technical features: Assuming the porcelain- like substance to be a dielectric material, this coupled with the inner and outer metallic coating could constitute a large capacitor which could passively store a fair amount of electrical energy. In addition, the light weight would appear to constitute something similar to the new aerogel-like substances presently being developed, in which case negative buoyancy (weight) could be minimized to the point that the craft characteristics might approach those of a rigid dirigible. Such features in combination could optimize efficiency.

H. E. Puthoff

COMMENTS:

MUFON I understand also did an interview with this source in and around the same time frame but to my knowledge there has never been any follow-up to check the veracity of this source by anyone.

Index: Roswell Testimony Index: Hal Puthoff Created: Jul 26, 1997