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Transcriber Notes: This transcription is verbatim. Some limitations based on web site Real Audio transfer and recording audibility are included. Efforts have been made to be accurate. Question marks indicate something which could not be deciphered (or spelled). Friday Night / Saturday Morning 5/31/96 on the Art Bell Radio show USA, former Major Ed Dames joined Art by sending an introductory fax about himself and some "earth change" topics related to Art's show of the night previous, and then with Art's response, joined him via telephone on the air. The segment where he joined the show lasted about 49 minutes.
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Art Bell: What I call "the quickening" seems well underway. Somebody uh, reminded me by fax here a moment ago, the Chinese proverb is not a proverb at all, that "you shall live in interesting times," it's actually a curse. We are CURSED to live in interesting times, and they are getting almost unbearably interesting. By the way I just got a fax from Major Dames, you know who he is? I'll tell you all about him, he was on Nightline not long ago, man who participated in the mind experiments with the government. Black budget stuff. Weird. And what he has to say is weird too. So Major, if you're out there fax me a number where I can call you now, or in the next 30 minutes. And we'll read that fax in a moment.[break]
Art Bell: I got a fax a little while ago from Major Ed Dames. He is the President of Psi-Tech. Uh they do remote viewing. It was the the subject of Nightline. If you'll recall, the government, over many years now, has dumped a lot of money and time and effort into remote viewing. So, it's not as crazy as it might seem. And the fax from Major Dames says the jet stream is beginning to shift and writhe. In several years it will sporadically drop down near the deck (WE are the deck, here, heh): Look forward to catastrophic weather changes and very dark skies within the next few years. 125 mph microbursts; 300 mph grazing winds pick up lots of dust. And he says I'll save the really grim environmental stuff for later. And I managed to get him on the line, I know it's very, very late, uh, Major welcome to the program.
Ed Danes Uh, thank you Art.
Art Bell: Uh, well -- well let's see, um, where to begin, um, this is a pretty serious fax, but you know it's backed up by a little news item I've got, uh you know people saying that suddenly uh the weather we've been having IS unusual, is NOT normal, is NOT cyclical, that something IS going on, and that seems to be exactly what you're saying, what can you tell us?
Ed Danes Well, we have -- uh the company, Psi-Tech has, in addition to our training, and our uh, high level contracts that we perform for various agencies and corporations, we have two in-house projects, they are, one is an in-house study, uh an environmental study and the other is a, a project, that we call Project Starman. The uh, these are [?] about two years now, [?] we have another year. And uh, basically using Technical Remote Viewing, the same method that we used to track terrorists uh for the government, and to uh, find hostages, uh, and to cross-qeue other intelligence systems during the gulf war. We use these methods uh, for peaceful purposes, uh, [?] civilianized the technology.
Art Bell: Right.
Ed Danes Uh, we were, we began to uh, to [?] data indicating that human babies would be dying soon, many human babies, and so, I won't go into all the technical aspects of this, to make a long story short here, it appears that we are dealing with a very immuno-suppressed planet, um, in uh, technological shorthand, uh, babies will begin to die, I think uh, because of um, because of this, many human babies. Uh, if you look at the surrounding [?] of the biosphere, you will probably not have any frogs, uh, left on the, on the planet --
Art Bell: I -- I've seen -- I've seen stories, ah, about disappearing frogs --
Ed Danes Yeah [?] happening -- our - our work indicates that, [indecipherable section], indicates that shortwave ultraviolet is killing frogs eggs, eggs are laid in shallow uh parts of the water, and they're, the ionizing radiation from uh, the UVV, the short ultraviolet rays, are uh killing, first mutating, and now are killing the eggs, so um, ah that is one aspect that I'm looking at. Uh, [?] dying human babies, essentially what it appears to be is allegorically like uh, the planet is administering its own antiobiotics. Antibiotics to take off uh to take out something that is ailing it's surface.
Art Bell: Us.
Ed Danes Yeah and it uh, uh ultraviolet's a good way of uh accelerating that, uh, so you see all the mutation in bacteria and viruses, particularly that bacteria, that's the information that we've had, our report won't be finished for another year, um, I thought I would tip you off, particularly about the problem with babies. It appears that there is a bovine AIDS virus developing, this will jump ship, and it's transmitted by uh dairymen who will use the same needle to inject the hormones in their dairy cows [indecipherable] can't any longer, but this bovine AIDS will uh, will uh become a toxicological insult, that's the terminology and [?]ology, to uh human babies whose immune systems are um nascent, and they will die in relatively large numbers.
Art Bell: God. (Art has been making wordless sounds of surprise and horror throughout the above paragraph.)
Ed Danes So um, not something to look forward to, but sometimes, you know, the facts uh, um, or that kind of a warning, will serve to uh, to get a lot of mothers up on, uh, putting their babies on mother's milk, uh human mother's milk, and perhaps milk substitutes.
Art Bell: Whew!
Ed Danes Uh, and uh, we're looking at some other problems too uh, broken uh reactors, uh atomic reactors, in the former East block countries, the maintenance is not being pulled the way it used to be, so we're, we're gonna stress ourself [?] radiation-wise [?] from both ends: ionizing radiation from above, that's [?] the inlayer holes [?] and uh from below, our own problems --
Art Bell: What about the climate, um, you know arguably the hurricane season and now the tornado season have been horrible! I mean absolutely horrible.
Ed Danes Yeah we're looking at -- uh, before our study, we did not realize how delicately balanced the earth's environment was, we assumed that it could re-establish homeostasis or equilibrium quite easily after drastic changes but that was not true. I was amazed at how delicately balanced the planet was, um, the ecosphere. The geophysics.
Art Bell: Right.
Ed Danes And uh looks like the atmosphere is degrading, very rapidly, at uh timelines that we thought were out in the decades and now within a decade. Um, and that is resulting in, uh, the jet stream, specifically the uh, one of the things [?] the jet stream over North America. And uh we're predicting that the jet stream will begin to - as I mentioned in the fax - twist and writhe and start to drop down and graze, the uh, graze the surface of the earth or come near it. Jet stream moves about 300 mph, but it will produce cat -- chaotic effects, among those probably uh microbursts and other things, eventuating, it'll pick up a lot of dust, there'll be a lot of dust and very dark skies. The vicissitudes of these weather changes will preclude growing crops the way we have ever grown them before. Either you grow them underground, or in very solid buildings, or in hermetically sealed units --
Art Bell: How - how - how close to this are we?
Ed Danes Uh, again, we're, we're, my company's one year out from a final report, but uh, I'd say we're looking at um about four to six years between where the stuff really hits the fan, that means that [you're?] going to have start going indoors for long periods of time because of the high winds. And uh, you're, you know, we'll have water and crop problems uh to boot.
Art Bell: And what is -- is this all related -- you talk about babies dying, immunological changes, uh our immune systems uh weakening or being weakened, and the climate changes -- is this all being produced or done by -- is the same effect behind it somewhere?
Ed Danes It -- I -- I'm not -- I'm not certain, I'm not certain if the two or correlated, all I'm saying is that when we work the way that we work, we see this parallel, these parallel tracks, the degradation of the atmosphere, in conjunction with very rapid mutations and EXTREMELY serious epidemics and pandemics, uh, mostly bacteriological, to the point where the Center for Disease Control along with many laboratories will not be able to keep up with the, with vaccines, the bacteriological mutations and their subsequent epidemics uh, [?] immunological [?] will run ahead of our ability to counter them, producing very serious [?]emics, particularly third world countries, Africa and India, even more developed countries like China.
Art Bell: Major what uh, what probability do you assign to this all occurring as you have suggested it will occur -- in other words, is there some probability that a different path can be --
Ed Danes No, no, the answer is no, uh I wouldn't be talking on the phone -- when, when I speak about Psi-Tech studies I put my company's reputation on the line, here we just have general and cursory results, and there's no, my signature's not on a report to the public yet, but uh, the confidence factors are high enough to tell you that this is what is going to occur, as far as we're concerned in the company, the timelines have not been established, but uh, as far as we're concerned, and I -- we have double checked this, it's too late, uh, there is, there is no remedial action.
Art Bell: What -- what advice do you give to individuals, if somebody called you and said, "I believe you, all this is going to happen, I think you're right -- what can I do?"
Ed Danes Alright. You need to move to a cold climate, the colder the better. Here are, here the parameters: cold climates uh uh will stay the introduction of tropical viruses, african [?]ephylitus, [?], a, a number of other [?] are tropical, and they can't mutate fast enough to become other than latent in cold weather. So cold climates, they are, are are very, they will be of survival value, as well as uh [for?] many the opportunity for fresh water, snow packs [indecipherable] fresh water. So that, that's one thing. The winds that will be predominantly in the mid-latitudes of the earth, uh, mostly, are going to be very high, so, build underground, or be in extremely solid structures, that will necessary. Uh, food will be a real problem, a very very serious problem --
Art Bell: So in other words, store food.
Ed Danes Well yeah, store food, but we're going to have to as a country start really re-thinking the way we grow food, it's ridiculous to think that we can continue to grow crops the way we do now, [?] temperatures [?] that we see right now, not to mention in a few years we will have no food, you know, our wheat crop's gone for the time I think in history.
Art Bell: It's true, uh, there -- there's a horrendous drought uh in the Midwest, what can you forecast for that, is it gonna be relief, it, it just continues to worsen...?
Ed Danes The, the the crop, the shortages in the price of the food, is going, they are both going to become aggravated by this situation, to the point where, we either are going to have to grow food underground, or in a hermetically sealed above ground unit, uh, crops need light, we're going to have to have light, we're running, we're going to run into some serious problems, we'll probably have to, in a in a number of years import food from climates that are not covered, that are not dust covered, or dust enshrouded, that's North, uh predominantly uh the Southern hemispheres, but they'll have their own problems, because uh you know, the dust is both a blessing and a curse, the ozone, the ozone holes, I say not just one hole but holes begin to occur, this is kind of a metastisis thing, a [?] a cancer that's eating away at the upper levels of the atmosphere that I don't think science has detected yet. When this begins to occur, the dust cover, in uh North America and in Europe and the mid-latitudes will prevent us from uh receiving deleterious effects of UVV, but the light, all the light that's required to grow crops uh not only will be Southern uh, uh latitudes, and those crops will be explosed to UVV, high level of ionizing radiation, and it's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, the very bottom of the food chain will begin to die off in those latitudes because of the ionizing radiation, so we're, we're we're in for some [grimmer?] times.
[transcriber note: "North... Southern hemispheres." I think it was a correction.]
Art Bell: Major when did you begin coming to these conclusions, uh, when did this data begin to harden for you?
Ed Danes We are actually, the uh, military remote viewing team, I was the Operations Officer, um, and one of, and one of the remote viewers for that team began to pick up the dying babies about 10 years ago.
Art Bell: Ten years ago.
Ed Danes About 10 years ago, and uh, of course, that kind of uh, that kind of work had nothing to do with national defense issues, so we didn't spend a lot of time with it, we were looking at the Russians and the Chinese and other potential adversaries --
Art Bell: So it was really then when you moved into the civilian sector that you began to concentrate on this.
Ed Danes That's correct, I civilianized the military technology, founded Psi-Tech, we began to look at this, this and and another project that we call Project Starman, that, that uh, we keep pretty uh, pretty close to our chest. These are our two in-house projects that are our initiative, Psi-Tech projects where we essentially do the studies and and provide the public with the [indecipherable], the outcome [cut off/indecipherable] --
Art Bell: Major as you, alright, as you look ahead, this grim outlook, uh, can you tell how long it will last, whether there will be any relief, or does it just keep getting worse...?
Ed Danes We've looked out uh in [?] years pretty far, and in fact we've [?] a study for um, uh, the Institute of, uh, the Human Potential Foundation in Washington DC a number of years ago, Psi-Tech did a study and as a result of that, uh, saw that these, these effects last quite awhile, but I'm not ready to put timelines on it yet. I will say however that the effects that we're experience, that we're beginning to experience now started about a year ago, and they're gonna become catastrophic uh sooner than we think, ballpark uh I'd say four and a half to six years [uh] max, [indecipherable] people will spend a lot of time indoors.
Art Bell: There's a lot of -- [sigh] -- there's a lot of people out there who would say, this is, uh, just sort of, millenium madness. Not so huh?
Ed Danes I would like to, I mean it's very attractive uh for all of us, to think that, and um, I'm not here trying to fuel any paranoia, but uh, it's more than millenial madness, I kind of, I think that maybe the bible um, um, pinned it down, and that's, we're, we're, it called it right. [Art and Ed both chuckle.] Years ago.
Art Bell: Uh, I've called it -- you know I'm just a talk host Major, and I observe, and I watch the news, and I dissect the news and pick it apart for what's controversial instinct, and I've done that for a dozen years just doing this program alone, and I, have come to call it -- what I -- I call it "the Quickening," I know you've heard me say that. And -- that's all I can say, uh, that things are changing and rapidly and at a very much accelerating pace. I don't know where it's going, I don't know where it's headed, but you apparently do, and it certainly is a grim outlook. No escape, huh?
Ed Danes No, there isn't, um, doesn't appear to be an escape, uh, we can't evolve as a race unless we survive, so that's one of the reasons, that's the predominant reason why uh Psi-Tech is conducting this environmental study to, to attempt to at least get survival information out on the streets because we simply cannot evolve as a race, unless we survive, and uh, so that's, watch, uh watch for despeciation and sterilization [?] many species [?] die out, all the, uh, uh the multitude of species of birds that you normally see [?] season, you'll see fewer and fewer species as the years go by.
Art Bell: What will Major Dames and company do, what are you doing, can you even tell us, I mean, you must, with the knowledge you have, you gotta be personally, and from a corporate point of view, preparing yourself to survive.
Ed Danes Correct. Personally and from a corporate point of view, we are preparing ourselves to survive.
Art Bell: Well, you're in, uh, you're in Beverly Hills California.
Ed Danes Not for long. [laughs]
Art Bell: Well that was the next -- [laughs]. So in other words, you're going to follow your own advice, and you're gonna be getting out of there pretty soon?
Ed Danes Within two years.
Art Bell: Within two years. Uh, and can you tell us where you'll be headed?
Ed Danes I think I'd be heading for points West and uh, South.
Art Bell: West and South?
Ed Danes Yeah.
Art Bell: Uh, West and -- well you go West of Beverly Hills and you're in the water.
Ed Danes That's right.
Art Bell: Ah, so, you're headed for an island somewhere.
Ed Danes Ah, that's a good guess! [laughs]
Art Bell: [laughs] Oh, god... Uh, this is, this is HORRIBLE news and it is a -- how many, how many people with you have come to these conclusions, how big is the, is the team?
Ed Danes Uh, it's 30 now.
Art Bell: 30 people?
Ed Danes Yeah, 30. [?] These people [set?] standards as good or better than uh the technical remote viewing team employed for the the military, for military operations.
Art Bell: [sighs deeply] Um, well, well you've scared a lot of people this morning, I guess what I'd better do is ask you if on another night we can schedule a program with you, uh, at an earlier hour, to begin at an earlier hour --
Ed Danes Well, we can do that, it -- our -- again keep in mind though that these are these are in-house things, [?] this study, [?] this particular study, this environmental study, will require another year of work before we, before I sign my name to the report. So we're we're talking about the preliminary internal results here.
Art Bell: Alright, so in other words, consider what you have just told us to be preliminary information.
Ed Danes That's correct.
Art Bell: Major, I wanna thank you, uh, very much for being here this morning, uh we will schedule the program with you, thank you my friend --
Ed Danes Oh, the pleasure's mine.
Art Bell: Take care. Major Ed Dames. President of Psi-Tech. And uh, I don't know what to tell you about what you just heard, but it was compelling, and I felt it should be on the air. You're listening to the CBC radio network.
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Transcribed by PJ Gaenir,
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