sub7 2.1 consists of 2 files, one being the server itself and another one called "windos.exe" that i am pretty sure routes commands that are passed to it from the windows registry. you can delete the server at anytime but finding it with an updated antivirus is a bit of a pinch unless you run api vision like me or know what you're dealing with. i suggest having avp detect the server file and have it report it to you so it may be killed from dos. windos.exe can be deleted at anytime as it is not loaded resident into memory and closes after each call. however, deleting windos.exe without first opening regedit.exe and scanning for "windos.exe" will make it nearly impossible to recover normal windows operations. when you search the registry for windos.exe it should find something that says something like... "windos.exe %1" if it finds a line with windos then the %1 or 1% i forget which, simply click on it and hit delete. windows wont "need" windos.exe anymore and you can simply delete windos.exe and reboot. ;] -ras *note avp currently scans windos.exe as subseven 2.0 and the subseven server as subseven 2.1 ;]