The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May UFO UpDates Mailing List May 1999 May 1: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Larry Hatch [8] Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash - John Hayes [10] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - GT McCoy [13] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Nick Balaskas [33] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - UFO UpDates - Toronto [20] * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 4-30-99 - Rense E-News [209] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Don Allen [5] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Roy Hale [21] BAR 199904 - Bufo Calvin [128] 1983 - UFOs Or A Rock Band Rehearsal? - Michel M. Deschamps [23] Alfred's Odd Ode #301 - Alfred Lehmberg [82] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Greg Sandow [47] Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line - Keith Woodard [10] May 2: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Michael Christol [12] CPR-Canada News - May 1, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada [43] Sighting In Longmont, Colorado - Stig Agermose [7] Dr. John Mack Event May 11 New York City - Stig Agermose [40] New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive End Of The - Stig Agermose [37] The Times: Space Holidays Becoming Reality - Stig Agermose [154] The Science Of Star Wars (New Book) - Stig Agermose [26] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Steven W. Kaeser [29] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Kenny Young [40] Military/Ufologist Co-operation - Joaquim Fernandes [34] Evenly-spaced, Small, Red Squares - Donald Ledger [16] The UFO Community on MSN/Week of May 2nd - Diana Botsford [103] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jesus Millan Arias [18] Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 - Alfred Lehmberg [21] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Jerome Clark [6] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Jerome Clark [12] Earth Changes TV/Breaking News - 2nd Face On Mars - Mitch Battros [32] 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Larry Hatch - UFO UpDates - Toronto [16] May 3: Orange Balls of lights Over OZ - Diane Harrison [59] Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive... - "Royce J. Myers III" [7] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Pat McCartney [33] Mack Meets Friendly Crowd In Contra Costa - Stig Agermose [102] Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 - John Velez [29] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - John Velez [33] May 4: RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax - Robert A.M. Stephens [67] UFO Desk - Site Updated - 04-04-99 - Paul Williams [10] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Mark Cashman [98] Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: ... - Jim Mortellaro [48] The Millennium Report - May 3, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada [123] Sighting In Sao Paulo, Brazil - Thiago Ticchetti [17] 'Strange Days...Indeed' CFRB 1010 - Ross Ulan [92] Re: RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax - Alfred Lehmberg [29] Flaming Mystery In Sky Over Alice Springs - Diane Harrison [40] Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO - David Clarke [44] UFO Roundup Still Delayed - John Hayes [14] Blather: Unconventional Means 1 - Blather - Daev Walsh [318] May 5: Close Encounters in Caledonia - Blair Cummins [31] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On - Bruce Maccabee [28] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Bruce Maccabee [6] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Bruce Maccabee [6] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Bruce Maccabee [2] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Bruce Maccabee [42] Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Kevin Randle [6] Sighting - Austin, Minnesota, USA - Dave Ledger [27] Sighting Dundee, Scotland - Dave Ledger [120] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Terry James [20] Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman - Mark Cashman [9] Oz: UFO Linked To Rocket - Stig Agermose [26] UFO Waves Post-1994? - Thiago Ticchetti [13] UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? - Stig Agermose [48] May 6: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Michael Christol [47] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Bruce Maccabee [6] Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? - Steven L. Wilson Sr [84] UFO Desk Radio Show - Paul Williams [15] Web Site Updated - Roy Hale [6] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - Brad Sparks [131] Re: UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? - Michael Christol [15] Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? - Jenny Randles [4] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Nathan Ranger [32] The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend - prophets@maui.net [43] Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] - Donnie W. Shevlin [18] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Mark Cashman [20] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Don Allen [88] OZ Sightings Alice Springs - "People Above - Diane Harrison [49] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [47] Re: Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? - Ray Mathews [5] Re: Tesla - Alfred Lehmberg [23] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Steven Kaeser [17] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Larry Hatch [11] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Jerome Clark [17] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - David Rudiak [6] Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil - Thiago Ticchetti [19] Re: Tesla - Don Allen [50] Re: Tesla - Stan Friedman [8] The Skeptical Believer - Tim D. Brigham [21] May 7: Re: Tesla - Bruce Maccabee [6] Re: Tesla - Bruce Maccabee [16] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Sharon Kardol [5] Third Face on Mars Discovered - Film at Eleven - Jim Mortellaro [42] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Bob Young [16] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Jim Deardorff [30] Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil - John Velez [13] Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? - Larry Hatch [35] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Don Allen [68] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Jenny Randles [7] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jenny Randles [35] Kecksburg UFO Video Wins EBE Award - Stan Gordon [41] Re: Tesla - Kevin Randle [25] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Kevin Randle [21] Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO - Tim Matthews [18] Filer's Files #18 - 1999 - George A. Filer [390] May 8: Re: Tesla - Greg Sandow [19] Re: Tesla - Max Burns [282] UFO Desk On Internet - Paul Williams [16] Re: Tesla - Steven J. Dunn [6] Re: Ruppelt the Liar? - Brad Sparks [110] Re: Ruppelt the Liar? - Jan Aldrich [30] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Brad Sparks [11] * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 5-7-99 - Rense E-News [232] Re: The 2nd Face On Mars - Leanne Martin [10] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - David Rudiak [172] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [17] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [44] Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil - Michael Christol [15] Re: Filer's Files #18 - 1999 - Ed Fouche [5] Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil - Thiago Ticchetti [3] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Sue Kovios [42] Re: Web Site Updated [Roy Hale] - Sue Kovios [5] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Bob YoungYoungBob2@aol.com [12] A Truth Seeker Goes To Roswell - Don Allen [451] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Larry Hatch [20] Summation of Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity - Don Allen [559] Re: Jet Crew Report Close Encounter With UFO - David Clarke [62] Howden Moor Case Online - David Clarke [29] Alfred's Odd Ode #302 - Alfred Lehmberg [89] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Jerome Clark [124] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jerome Clark [32] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Kathleen Andersen [21] Re: Tesla - Brad Sparks [41] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jim Mortellaro [33] Re: Tesla - Dennis Stacy [2] BWW Media Alert 19990508 - Bufo Calvin [268] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [14] Chat with Erich von Daniken - Yvonne Hedenland [20] 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS - Mitch Battros [40] Geometrical Aspects Of kksamurai Face - Carol Maltby [38] May 9: IF Conference - Review - UFO UpDates - Toronto [196] 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Alfred Lehmberg - UFO UpDates - Toronto [15] May 10: Re: Tesla - Jerome Clark [34] Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith - Kevin Randle [7] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [12] Orange Object Over Alice Springs, Oz - Diane Harrison [53] New Information On The New Face On Mars - Terry James [21] Re: Tesla - Michael Christol [19] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Velez [132] Re: Tesla - Greg Sandow [24] Re: Tesla - Sean Jones [147] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jesus Millan Arias [52] Re: Tesla - Larry Hatch [32] Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' - Don Allen [11] Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS - Larry Hatch [15] Re: 2nd Mars Face A Hoax - Nathan Ranger [50] Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS - John Ratcliff [26] Re: UFO Desk - Net Feed Problems - Paul Williams [17] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Allison Reed [45] Alfred Lehmberg on Strange Days... Indeed - John [41] Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Josh Goldstein [31] Re: Tesla - Don Allen [15] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jenny Randles [55] UFO Desk Updates - Paul Williams [18] Joseph Trainor and UFO Roundup - John Hayes [19] May 11: Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Ray Mathews [18] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Bill Weber [13] Re: New Face on Mars - Terry James [13] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - Bruce Maccabee [57] Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Jeff Rense [57] Triangular Ground Trace Found In Croatia - Giuliano 'Jimmy' Marinkovicc - [81] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Sharon Kardol [8] Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Jerome Clark [10] Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] - Alfred Lehmberg [46] May 12: Re: New Face on Mars - Bob Young [5] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - Bob Young [7] Mass Disappearances... - Scott Carr [11] Re: New Face on Mars - John W. Ratcliff [8] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jenny Randles [38] Blather: Unconventional Means II - Daev Walsh - Blather [356] 5/11: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN - Diana Botsford [75] Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Greg Sandow [134] Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 - Larry Hatch [25] Photo Needed For A Book In Progress - Francisco Lopez [38] Smoking Gun? - Francisco Lopez [22] Happy Trentaversary - Bruce Maccabee [22] May 13: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Jeff Rense [32] Sighting: Cincinnati, Ohio -5-10-99 - Kenny Young [30] Re: Konformist: ET Play Ball - Stephen MILES Lewis [112] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Allison Reed [38] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - Brad Sparks [34] Re: Mass Disappearances... - Scott Caput [9] Re: New Face on Mars - Terry James [15] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Velez [80] May 14: Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Don Allen [34] Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Jerome Clark [9] Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 - Richard D. Nolane [25] Re: New Face on Mars - Bruce Maccabee [3] Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos - Bruce Maccabee [166] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Tim D. Brigham [78] Re: New Face on Mars - GT McCoy [12] Old Face On The Moon - Nick Balaskas [19] BBC: China To Test Space Shuttle In Oct - Steven J. Dunn [53] Re: New Face on Mars - Allen Loper [8] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Jenny Randles [40] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Brian Cuthbertson [9] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Rimmer [78] Planetary Mysteries Update 5/12/99 - Planetary Mysteries [276] Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress - Sue Kovios [11] Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress - Sue Kovios [4] Re: New Face on Mars - John W. Ratcliff [10] Getting A Book Published...? - John Hayes [24] C-E: Sites Closed - Jerry Washington [7] Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Terry Blanton [10] May 15: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Alfred Lehmberg [39] Re: New Face on Mars - Jim Mortellaro [25] Re: Filer's Files #19 - Majorstar@aol.com [390] Wanted - Videos Of Night Time Refueling-Operations - Werner Walter [8] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Mark Cashman [243] SETI at Home - Terry Blanton [3] Re: Lake Discovered on Mars - Kevin Randle [7] Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET - Steven J. Dunn [49] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Greg Sandow [8] Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 - Larry Hatch [24] Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Leanne Martin [11] Re: Getting A Book Published...? - Roy Hale [9] Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info Needed.. - Roy Hale [17] Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-14-99 - Rense E-News [208] Re: Happy Trentaversary - Michel M. Deschamps [17] Firmage: New Writing - Joe Firmage [83] Re: CPR-Canada News - May 15, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada [88] Re: Lake Discovered on Mars - JJ Mercieca [22] Alfred's Odd Ode #303 - Alfred Lehmberg [97] Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET - Larry Hatch [16] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Sean Jones [37] Re: Lake Discovered on Mars - Alfred Lehmberg [47] Seti@home - Brian Straight [7] May 16: Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET - GT McCoy [28] Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 - Terry James [116] Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * - Jerome Clark [17] Seven Steps to Hell - Kenny Young [211] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Velez [21] Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Greg Sandow [33] Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET - Greg Sandow [4] Book Burnings & Conspiracies [was: Jeff Rense - Greg Sandow [24] Re: Beyond Closed Minds - Stan Friedman [12] Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo [33] The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux - Keith Woodard [15] What Ever Happened To... - Ian Read [5] Re: Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info - Jak Solomon [5] May 17: Re: New Face on Mars - Charles Naugatuck [7] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [40] Re: Firmage: New Writing - Dan [7] Re: Seti@home - Scott Caput [14] Trent Obituaries? - Bob Young [6] Lake Discovered on Mars - Bob Young [6] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Rimmer [38] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - John Rimmer [19] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [57] BWW Media Alert 19990516 - BufoCalvin@aol.com [176] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - "Bill Stockstill" [53] Re: Seven Steps to Hell - Donald Ledger [4] Re: Seven Steps to Hell - Jerome Clark [19] Conspiracy, Russian-style - Greg Sandow [23] Re: Lake Discovered on Mars - Bob Young [15] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Jenny Randles [21] Re: What Ever Happened To... - Jenny Randles [6] Re: What Ever Happened To... - Roy Hale [11] New OVNIs from Mexico - Dan Geib [9] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Don Allen [46] Star Wars-Hype - Werner Walter [9] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [40] Re: Firmage: New Writing - Alfred Lehmberg [31] Re: Seti@home - Michael Christol [12] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dennis Stacy [22] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Greg Sandow [28] Personal Attacks, Humor And "S" In Scarlet - Jim Mortellaro [67] Re: Firmage: New Writing - Joe Murgia [15] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Greg Sandow [127] Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style - Alfred Lehmberg [82] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Dennis Stacy [33] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Don Ecker [23] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Dennis Stacy [18] Re: Trent Obituaries? - Bruce Maccabee [5] The Millennium Project News May 17, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada [96] May 18: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [95] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Thiago Ticchetti [17] Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style - Greg Sandow [122] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dennis Stacy [40] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Don Allen [8] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Don Allen [26] Whose Face on Mars? - Josh Goldstein [21] Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS - Richard G Brown [3] Re: SETI at Home - Donnie W. Shevlin [10] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [95] Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux - Jan Aldrich [70] Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style - Brian Straight [32] May 20: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [116] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Jerome Clark [18] New Italian UFO-X-files web site - Alfredo Lissoni [6] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Loy Pressley [16] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [36] ELFIS - London Otherworld Reality Conference - Stephen MILES Lewis [449] ELFIS - Conference Abstracts/Bios/Links - Stephen MILES Lewis [400] *U* Map: North America 1947 - Larry Hatch [39] News Release From Nick Redfern, 16 MAY 1999. - Mark Hall [78] DISPATCH # 108 -- the weekly newsletter of - ParaScope@aol.com [459] Issue 101 - Pt 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network [505] Issue 101 - Pt 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network [496] Issue 101 - Pt 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network [537] Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 - Kynthia [99] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [16] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Pat McCartney [48] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Don Ecker [55] BellSouth.net Causing List Problems - UFO UpDates - Toronto [28] Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux - GT McCoy [33] BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Steven J. Dunn [46] Re: SETI at Home - Terry Blanton [15] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo [10] Hoagland Is Caught Again Over NASA-HST - Robert A.M. Stephens [19] Look Sharp! Feel Sharp! Be Sharp! - Steven J. Dunn [38] Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux - Keith Woodard [13] New Search Tool? - Brian Cuthbertson [9] QUEST Magazine - Philip Mantle - QUEST [17] Re: Sighting Reports from OZ 20th 5 1999 - Diane Harrison [306] May 21: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [57] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dennis Stacy [47] Re: New Search Tool? - Kim Burrafato [6] Re: UFO Ballot - Paul Williams [17] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Thiago Ticchetti [10] Filer's Files #20 - George A. Filer [402] Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 - Jim Mortellaro [28] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Joachim Koch [27] MILABS - Joachim Koch [206] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo [54] May 22: Re: Show Cancelled - Paul Williams [13] Ball Lightings Explained? - Stig Agermose [61] 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Stig Agermose [115] Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-21-99 - Rense E-News [175] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Larry Hatch [5] Steve Neill Walks - Jeff Rense [120] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Larry Hatch [20] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Greg St. Pierre [11] Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Josh Goldstein [15] Silicon Valley = Alien Base? - Josh Goldstein [15] Black Vault? - Francis Brennan [3] Alfred's Odd Ode #304 - Alfred Lehmberg [96] May 23: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [88] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Alfred Lehmberg [38] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Pat McCartney [26] Re: UFO UpDate: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Jim Mortellaro [34] Re: Steve Neill Walks - Stephen G. Bassett [41] Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #304 - Jim Mortellaro [7] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Joachim Koch [36] Wild Boars, Aliens & Cleopatra at Discovery Online! - UFO UpDates - Toronto [130] UFO Report - Bloomington, Indiana 05-11-99 - Kenny Young [66] Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 - GT McCoy [27] On 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Greg Sandow - UFO UpDates - Toronto [14] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Josh Goldstein [4] SETI@home Teams - Karel Bagchus [20] BWW Media Alert 19990523 - BufoCalvin@aol.com [197] Google - Brian Cuthbertson [6] Re: Steve Neill Quits - Jim Mortellaro [111] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Tony Spurrier [9] AURORA 1897 - Richard D. Nolane [30] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [46] Re: Steve Neill Walks - steve neill [5] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Jim Mortellaro [8] May 24: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Greg St. Pierre [13] Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - StrmNut@aol.com [15] Re: SETI@home Teams - Christine Fernandes [5] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Bruce Maccabee [7] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Greg St. Pierre [43] Re: Steve Neill Walks - Greg St. Pierre [15] 'Airport for UFOs' Looks For Signals From Hidden - Stig Agermose [282] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Greg Sandow [31] SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team - Karel [44] UK Sightings - Jerry Anderson [6] Re: AURORA 1897 - Kevin Randle [37] 5/24: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN - Diana Botsford [94] HOT GOSSIP UK May '99 - Georgina Bruni [115] Re: SETI@home Teams - Tinus de Beer [4] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jim Mortellaro [102] The Millennium Project News - May 24, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada [107] Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) - Jerry Cohen [157] May 25: US ET Protocols? - Claudio Argemi Jr. [6] Popular Science/NASA Interstellar Propulsion - David Rudiak [6] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Dennis Stacy [28] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Pat McCartney [100] Re: SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team - John Tenney [10] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Stan Friedman [13] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Tony Spurrier [10] Re: Steve Neill Walks - Bruce Maccabee [5] NICK POPE'S WEIRD WORLD - MAY '99 - Georgina Bruni [167] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Alfred Lehmberg [90] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Jim Mortellaro [24] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Mark Cashman [19] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Brian Cuthbertson [8] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [40] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Stan Friedman [30] May 26: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research - Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com [41] Re: AURORA 1897 - Jerome Clark [31] CPR-Canada News - May 25, 1999 - Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada [79] May 27: Re: Steve Neill Walks - Sharon Kardol [20] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Greg St. Pierre [12] Major UFO Sightings In BC's 'Surrey Corridor' - UFO UpDates - Toronto [71] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Greg St. Pierre [12] Re: Steve Neill Walks - Kevin Randle [3] Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? - Stig Agermose [36] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Greg Sandow [198] Chat with Diane Harrison - Jerry Kosiba [28] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [87] Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? - Jerome Clark [34] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Bruce Maccabee [30] Crop Circle Research - Nancy Talbott <address withheld> [83] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Dennis Stacy [51] Updates On Recent Norteastern Ontario Reports - Michel M. Deschamps [99] ELFIS Issue 9 part 2 - Stephen MILES Lewis [37] UFO UpDates Seti Team webpage - Adam Lowe [15] May 28: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Alfred Lehmberg [42] Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Jerome Clark [83] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Allen Loper [11] Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? - GBourdais@aol.com [22] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Tony Spurrier [19] Steve Neill Walks II - Jeff Rense [60] Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 5 - James Easton [802] An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... - Jim Mortellaro [208] Re: Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? - GT McCoy [10] Filer's Files #21 - George A. Filer [361] UFO Ballot Initiative On 'UFO Desk' Tonight - Paul Williams [13] Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon - Bill Knapp <bill.knapp@> [55] Re: Ball Lightings Explained? - Christophe Meessen [21] Re: First 'Grey' Report? - Tim D. Brigham [81] May 29: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies - Alfred Lehmberg [85] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Steven Kaeser [18] Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? - John Velez [42] Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake - Jim Deardorff [19] Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? - Jsmortell@aol.com [49] This Week on the UFO Community on MSN - Diana Botsford [105] The Enigma Channel - The First Web TV Station - John Hayes [137] Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy - Allison Reed [16] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Greg St. Pierre [7] 'Popular Electronics' - UFO's or Kugelblitz? - John Tenney [48] Re: Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon - John Tenney [7] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Bruce Maccabee [19] Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... - Greg Sandow [264] Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #305 - Alfred Lehmberg [70] BLT Research on Crop Circles - Mark Haywood [6] Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller - Tony Spurrier [10] Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake - Tony Spurrier [8] (Skyopen) Dr. Roger K. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:15:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:06:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:03:07 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:18:52 -0700 >>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Dear Don: ><snip> >>I would still like to know if you believe William Lyne's lengthy >>and somewhat novel list of assertions, from the original >>posting you made some days ago... in whole or in part. >>If in part, which parts? >Larry, >I bought the book a few weeks back. It is one, no, the _only_ >book I have seen that takes the firm view that the "secret >government" stole Tesla's propulsion system and used it to make >man-made UFOs, at Los Alamos, and White Sands, during the >earlier part of this century. The author, Bill Lyne, is of the >firm contention that not only are UFOs man-made, that also >there are _no_ "alien abductions" and that Roswell, far from >being the "crashed saucer" event, was actually two bungled >events, one right after the other to cover up the Tesla man-made >flying saucers. One event involved shaved rhesus monkies, the >other was the infamous "weather balloon explanation" we've all >come to know so well. >Lyne's contention is that the cover-up was done to hide the >"true" nature of the man-made Tesla saucer work, and to use >"extraterrestrial" thesis to obfuscate and divert any attention >away from Tesla propulsion technology being utilized. To that >end, "alien abductions" are a means to put the attention "out >there" instead of what took place at Los Alamos in the 30's and >40's with Werhner von Braun and the "Kreisel-Teller" Nazi flying >saucer research work alleged to have taken place in NM during >this time. >I personally accept, after looking at the Roswell hubris of the >last few years, there was no crashed saucer, no extraterrestrial >"aliens", and it's been a dog chasing it's tail for years on >Roswell. Insofar as Lyne claims about the bungled events >regarding Roswell, I can accept it. I can also accept his view >that there are no "alien abductions" occuring either. There's no >solid proof, in my opinion. >Insofar as Lyne's extreme claims, I have no reason to "believe" >any of these claims, at face value. I don't put any stock in >"belief" unless I can damned well prove it to myself, in >research as having a factual basis. I am quite capable of >entertaining possibilities, but that doesn't mean I accept them >as proven fact. Lyne's book is interesting to the degree I've >not heard these kinds of arguments posed before. His CV isn't a >lightweight - Top Secret clearance in Air Force Intelligence, >earned a B.S. degree with a double major in Art and Industrial >Technology, acquired an M.F.A. in Studio Arts from Univ of >Texas at Austin. Worked in the Peace Corps. Was offered a high >position at the CIA and turned it down. Has patents to his name >on some inventions, and includes an invention in his book, "The >Dyna-Lyne Universal Variable Pneumatic or Hydraulic Transmission >System", giving the public unlimited right to the invention. Has >newspapers articles about himself, included in the book. >Documents a considerable amount of persecution in his dealings >with the New Mexico Patent Office. >Has his first "UFO" sighting in New Mexico in 1953, which he >documents in full detail. He patently doesn't buy into most of >Ufology's leading "experts" and definately names a few names, >some on _this_ list, as CIA/OSI moles lackeys, minions and >dis-information spinners. (loud chuckle). >He's got a web site up at: >http://www.trufax.org/lyne/lyne.html >He summarizes some of this on the website and also gives his >views on Roswell. It's a safe bet to say he's opinionated. <g>I >believe he does have an email address listed at the web site, if >you're so inclined to pursue his claims further. The book is an >interesting read. Dear Don, Thank you for answering my question. Frankly, the bit about the Nazis having submarines with nuclear weapons off our coasts all thru WW2 gave me a chuckle. Lyne opinionated? Yes, I must agree with that! I'm much too busy to follow the Lyne matter any further however. Best wishes
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:46:41 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:14:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:01:27 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash >>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:22:00 +0100 >>To: UFO Updates <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> >>Subject: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash >>Can anyone help Donald with the query below please? >>From: ARTGUY6331@aol.com >>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:53:41 EDT >>Subject: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash >>To: webmaster@ufoinfo.com >>I read something about a crash in the late 40s early 50s in the >>Phoenix Metro area, specifically at the Dreamy Draw Dam and >>wreckage at Cave Creek. Do you know how i could get more info or >>the original article? >Dear John, Ron and/or Donald: >That's a tough order. <snip> Thanks for your help Larry, I will pass your message on. John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:35:19 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:03:07 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' Has any one who seriously considers the Nazi - Von Braun-Tesla connection along with whomever, why aren't any of the countries of the United States, Great Britain and Canada have as their natoinal anthem "Deutchland Uber Alles"? Also the superior advantage the Nazi saucers had, why didn't they wipe out the Bomber Streams of G.B. and the U.S. I don't think so! If we have all this Tech., why don't we use it against the Serbs? Why didn't the Germans use thier vaunted Saucer Tech. against the Allies, why NATO didn't use "it" against the Russians er, Soviets? I have not a clue -GT McCoy.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:10:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:51:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:03:07 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:18:52 -0700 >>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Dear Don: >>It wasn't all that dull, judging by the headache I suffered as a >>result. >>I will check out the site. >>I would still like to know if you believe William Lyne's lengthy >>and somewhat novel list of assertions, from the original >>posting you made some days ago... in whole or in part. >>If in part, which parts? >Larry, >I bought the book a few weeks back. It is one, no, the _only_ >book I have seen that takes the firm view that the "secret >government" stole Tesla's propulsion system and used it to make >man-made UFOs, at Los Alamos, and White Sands, during the >earlier part of this century. The author, Bill Lyne, is of the >firm contention that not only are UFOs man-made, that also >there are _no_ "alien abductions" and that Roswell, far from >being the "crashed saucer" event, was actually two bungled >events, one right after the other to cover up the Tesla man-made >flying saucers... Hi Larry. I will eventually get around to read this new book too but I have a few comments regarding your review. Just because Bill Lyne says or shows that something else was possible to explain some event in history does not mean that this must have been the way it actually happened. Even if it did happen the way Bill claims, it would still not rule out an extraterrestrial answer for some UFOs or that there are no alien abductions or even prove that what we continue to observe now are advance versions of Tesla's flying saucers. Much of Tesla's discoveries and patents have been known for many decades now and many new applications have evolved from these discoveries. Since Tesla's "cat is out of the bag", nothing can prevent curious minds from following up on Tesla's research and even come up with new or better discoveries of their own. Why then the continued secrecy and deception? Although Bill's book may make an interesting read like another Bill's 'Cosmic Top Secret - America's Secret UFO Program' (which I just read after picking it up for a couple of dollars at a used bookstore in Ottawa) I suspect that his motives are the same as the alleged conspirators and their decendents - making money. Earlier this month I impressed a few colleagues and friends here by making a fluorescent lamp glow brightly while holding it my hands and walking past them. I did not tell them that I had a small Tesla coil hidden in a cardboard box in the room which was producing the strong electric field that made the lamp "turn on". I have not tried this yet but I am told that if you take a fluorescent lamp with you on a walk at night underneath high power lines, it too will "turn on". Can anyone tell me how one would go about making a Tesla flying saucer? Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:12:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:12:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:10:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' <snip> >Earlier this month I impressed a few colleagues and friends here >by making a fluorescent lamp glow brightly while holding it my >hands and walking past them. I did not tell them that I had a >small Tesla coil hidden in a cardboard box in the room which was >producing the strong electric field that made the lamp "turn on". >I have not tried this yet but I am told that if you take a >fluorescent lamp with you on a walk at night underneath high >power lines, it too will "turn on". [Slightly off-topic] Back in the mid-60's I was a DJ aboard Radio Caroline, a "pirate" radio station on a ship off the coast of England. One very calm, very still night, we discovered a substantial stash of four-foot fluorescent tubes in the hold. With much silly laughter the broadcast crew grabbed a bunch of them and took them out on deck. The transmitter was "up" - being tested. In those days we closed-down at 8:00pm. The fluorescent tubes, "excited" by 10,000 watts of RF from the 125' antenna, just feet away, lit up as if they were connected to a power supply. We used the tubes to spell out "rude" words on the ship's shore-side. I actually heard, years later, that those "rude" words were read by several people 3 1/2 miles away on the beach at Clacton-on-Sea! ebk [And now, back to the advertised topics of this list]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 4-30-99 From: Rense E-News <jocelyn@dewittec.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:19:17 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:53:51 -0400 Subject: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 4-30-99 * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * The Week Ahead 5-2-99 thru 5-8-99 Guests, Announcements, Week's Top Stories From sightings.com Jeff Rense E-News is distributed exclusively by Free Subscription. ___________ ANNOUNCEMENT!! sightings.com and Jeff have a new address! Now you can also go to http://www.jeffrense.com as well ___________ * From Jeff's Desk * April is gone. So long. Seemed like it lasted...maybe 2 weeks. A month of violence and death; it was also a month of Easter and Spring. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:16:32 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:30:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >Total. >Not partial. >Total. >Wacko. Dear Bruce, That's exactly my opinion on Ed Walters too. Regards, Don ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 04:11:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:43:46 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100 <snip> >Certainly in my study of British cases there are no obvious >greys at all until well into the l980's. Most - even >hypnotically pursued - CE 4 s until about l985 had more human >like or Nordic beings. The classic Telford encounter (pursued in >l982/l983 with hypnosis on all three witnesses) produced >different entity types with each witness and one of these was >somewhat grey like. It is all the more apparent when you see >how - after the massive import of greys into British culture >circa l987 (via the books of Strieber and Hopkins) the previous >pattern of British aliens virtually disappeared overnight and >now you are hard pressed NOT to find greys. There has to be >significance in this. I talked it over with Budd Hopkins and he >says that the greys were always in Brirtish cases but witnesses >never knew it because the more friendly alien types acted as >cover to protect the subconscious, Well, maybe. But equally, it >has to be possible that the form the entity takes in a story is >culturally modified. Thats my bet. > >I have delved a bit into this in my next book - pathetically >titled by my publisher 'The complete book of Aliens and >Abductions' (out in August from Piatkus). It has sections >looking at the timeline of alien development and also around 20 >country sections looking from culture to culture at how alien >reports have developed. You see from that how Britain is not >alone at adopting greys very late in the day - not after the >Betty & Barney Hill affair (which presumably had much bigger >impact in the US) but after the l987 watershed following >Strieber's global publicity. > >They do say that once is coincidence and twice a conspiracy. >Here it is safer to say that there is more going on that just an >invasion by greys and that something is occurring at the level >of human consciousness on a cultural level. > >Jenny Randles >From roy.hale@virgin.net subject: Greys first reports? Hi Jerry, Jenny, Jesus, I thought that I would just bring the following into light. Two months ago I was chatting to a witness of a local UFO sighting, and he happened to mention he was from Ghana, West Africa. He told me about an old myth, concerning little creatures that would come into the villages at night, and take away people, and then return them much later. He also commented that they looked pretty much like your typical Grey? These occurences have been happening for some centuries now he told me and apparently still on going, so I guess information on these little guys and their actions might be easy to track down. If Cynthia Hind is out there perhaps she may no a slight more detail on such African case references? Regards, Roy.. Find the Lost Haven at: http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale/index.html Best viewed with: Internet Explorer 4.0/Netscape Communicator 4.0/4.5
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 BAR 199904 From: Bufo Calvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 00:29:18 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:49:58 -0400 Subject: BAR 199904 Bufo Calvin<BR> P O Box 5231, Walnut Creek, CA 94596<BR> Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com<BR> Website: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin">http://members.aol.com/bufo calvin<;/A><BR> <P>ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made to http://member s.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with strangers before you e- mail them something. If you forward this, please make sure it is clear that you are forwarding it).</P> March, 1999 (Vol. 2, #4) Books mentioned in BAR can be ordered on most e-mail systems by clicking on the hyperlink title. This will take you to the book at Amazon.com. You can read more about it at that point and decide if you want to order it. If you do, you add it to your "shopping cart". Then, if you want another title mentioned here, please click on it in this post. If you have questions, please e-mail Bufo at <A HREF="mailto:bufocalvin@aol.com">BufoCalvin@aol.com</A>. Books are also available by phone from Greenleaf Publications at 1-800-905-UFOs (1-800-905-8367). If you call, please be sure to tell them that Bufo sent you. If you have books to recommend, please let me know. If you would like to be named as recommending it, include that information as well and tell me you would like to be cited. It's kind of nice to not see this dominated by UFO titles this time. Don't worry, they'll be back. I also am hoping that the line return problem doesn't return itself for this issue. If it looks strange, feel free to let me know. In this issue: Featured Author; Recent Arrivals; and Things to Come: FEATURED AUTHOR: Journalist John Green is in many ways the Dean of Sasquatch authors. His books have been around in a couple of different forms since 1968 (and 1970). I found the books as some of the first thorough reading I did on the subject, and many people were introduced to and fascinated by the subject the same way. Being a journalist, John can write. His almost matter-of-fact style makes it clear that these are not simply tales. People have reported seeing Bigfoot/Sasquatch (we can thank John really for the popularity of the latter term). As he puts it early on, "Perhaps that's the only point there's any real hope of making in a book about the 'legendary' giants of the Pacific Coast, they are not a story out of the past. The evidence of their existence, whatever it may be worth, is concentrated in the present. Right here, right now." These books not only present the classic cases, they made them into classics. Cases like: Albert Ostman, who reported being kidnapped by and living with Sasquatches for several days; William Roe, with his close-up encounter; Ape Canyon, with the supposed attack by Sasquatches on a cabin; and many more. I don't want to get too specific, because my personal copies go before a major revision in 1980. John Green is still a major player in the field, and was nice enough to let me know about the changes. Even though I haven't seen the current versions, I can be sure that they are just as compelling. There is no question that these should be required reading for anyone interested in the field, or who simply wonders if there is anything to it. <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0888393415/bufosweirdworld">On The Track of the Sasquatch (paperback) </A> by John Green Reprint Edition March 1995 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0888393407/bufosweirdworld">Encou nters With Bigfoot (hardback) </A> by John Green RECENT ARRIVALS: <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0926524178/bufosweirdworld">The Psychic Sasquatch and Their UFO Connection (paperback) </A> by Jack Lapseritis May 1998 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6302617553/bufosweirdworld">Lake Monsters (Secrets of the Unknown) (video) </A> 1989 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304528930/bufosweirdworld">Chupa cabra: The Island Terror (fictional?) (video) </A> I don't know if this one is ficitonal or not. 1996 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966811208/bufosweirdworld">We're Here (paperback) </A> Subtitle: An Investigation Into Gay Reincarnation by Lynn Kear March 1999 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964025434/bufosweirdworld">Livin g With Ghosts (paperback) </A> Subtitle: True Tales of the Paranormal by Dorothy Burtz Fiedel March 1999 <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1893933008/bufosweirdworld">Stars of the Stars (paperback) </A> by Kelli Fox and Elaine Sosa March 1999 They've been getting some press on this one. Astrological profiles of celebrities. <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0932813658/bufosweirdworld">Coevo lution (paperback) </A> Subtitle: The True Story of 10 Days on an Extraterrestrial Civilization by Alec Newald This edition March 1999 The author claims extensive contact with ETs: or are they? THINGS TO COME This title is not yet published, but can be pre-ordered now. <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892724617/bufosweirdworld">The Great New England Sea Serpent (paperback) </A> Subtitle: An Account of Unknown Creatures Sighted by Many Respectable Persons Between 1638 and the Present Day by J. P. O'Neill August 1999 While it has a wonderfully old-fashioned sounding subtitle, I am unaware of it being a reprint. ____________________________ *Prices are set by Amazon.com. Clicking on the link will take you to their current listing and show the current price. ____________________________ ____________________________ <BR> *Prices are set by Amazon.com. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 1983 - UFOs Or A Rock Band Rehearsal? From: Michel M. Deschamps <ufoman@ican.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:46:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:57:25 -0400 Subject: 1983 - UFOs Or A Rock Band Rehearsal? I've located the following article in our local paper, here in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada and I wanted to know if anyone there has any information on whether or not this is a true UFO sighting: Date: Wednesday, May 25, 1983 UFOs or a rock band rehearsal? Melbourne, Australia (AP) -- The Australian Air Force began a UFO investigation today following hundreds of reports of four multicolored cylindrical shapes hovering over the town of Bendigo over the weekend. One explanation was that the unidentified flying objects were caused by a rock band practising with a laser lighting system, the air force said. The air force's command intelligence officer, Flight Lieut. Brett Biddington, left for Bendigo, 160 kilometres northwest of Melbourne, to "find out whether there is a natural explanation" for the UFOs. Biddington already has interviewed several people who had reported seeing the UFOs and was eager to have a close look at some photographs taken by an amateur photographer and Bendigo's radio announcer, Mike Evans. Evans's negatives will be submitted for scientific analysis,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Alfred's Odd Ode #301 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 06:12:31 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:10:17 -0400 Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 Apology to MW #301 (For May 1, 1999) David -- Goliath. Still fighting it seems. One's over-cocky, the other is steamed. One strides the mainstream opposed by too few; his erstwhile opponent's _courageously_ new. One narrows scope to a slender percentage, the other is open to data with vintage. One is a scoffer with knee jerk dismissals; the other's employing some truth as his missiles. Filled with his confidence, and the weight of his creed, Goliath was ripe for a fall that he needs. David, well read, was prepared for his role; Goliath shows up with his head in a bowl. Bereft of his homework Goliath's ungainly, and fumbled around for his words so inanely. David slung well, and infused all his points. He cited them, hell -- he was _owning_ the joint! Goliath was caught in his own vicious trap, he hadn't prepared and was pinned to the mat! Stone marked and bleeding he writhed on the floor, and proved at the last that his less was not more. Goliath was vanquished for arrogance, friend. He dies on a cross for his close minded kin. And the sneers from his camp were the stones that were used in the sling of a righteous, experienced Jew. Round and around went the weight of his sling; his arguments whistled like fiery stings on the physics, the cosmic, and base relativity! Goliath was mired in failure's proclivity; the books were unread in the search for an answer to excise our ignorance -- our cognitive cancer. David could _read_ and he read the man's book. He's studied the subject; he rocks and he cooks. Goliath, assured of his glorious might, that's _he's_ to prevail in a "no contest" fight, was covered with gaps in his armor of science that weakened his impact and eroded reliance. Goliath was beaten, but lived to admit that the intrepid David had merit and grit. Dismissal's outrageous, Goliath's concluded. The argument's valid, and the thought has intruded that space is a huge place, completely unknown, and it's filled to the _brim_ with anomalous foam! Lost in its hugeness is mind _undefined_ by concepts that limit and keep us *confined*. We hold to the tails of our timid tradition -- are blind to the front by this backward position. Complacent, believing proud science will win, we turn a blind eye to the fringe that begins just a mean tiny distance from what we now know is the little we know of what's hidden there, Bro! What can be measured; what can be seen? What is seen _changes_ to fit _any_ scheme! David's won out once again 'cause he's _right_. His scholarship _proves_ what is seen is the light! He has what compels me to question the man, for all the man's blandishment or well earned elan. He had the right stones, and he hurled them well. Degrees will mean nothing if buying to sell. So flourish proud science with arrogance (spite!) -- and feel that stone as _your_ forehead it strikes! Lehmberg@snowhill.com Don't you just love that Jeff Rense show! It was not the trouncing of proud, jealous, and disdainful representatives of mainstream science by Stanton Friedman that was so satisfying. It was the demonstration that for all of science's rock hard reliability and useful efficacy, most science representatives (with respect to the gracious, even tempered, and seemingly honest Dr. Kraus) do not do the real _homework_ (or accept the real challenges) of science. Moreover, they will not even question what can't be readily measured, repeatedly and predictably observed, or recorded. They are quick to dismiss, without investigation, 98% of a conjectured reality to sit haughtily, and jealously at the top of their guarded little hill. Apologists for this *mean* Science, like Goliath, have yet to discover that man "does not live by bread alone", and in the end it is that which will _always_ bring a sneering "Goliath" down. Lehmberg@snowhill.com Restore John Ford! -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 1 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:04:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 23:48:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:04:47 -0500 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net> >Subject: Black's Open Letter to Friedman >My name is Jerry Black, and I will now state, for the record, my >position on the UFO topic. [SNIP!!!!} Am I the only one who never wants to read another word from Jerry Black? Since I'm one of Budd Hopkins's many friends, I suppose Black might think I'm on his case because he got on Budd's, in his latest missive. But in fact I lost it with him when I read his latest Whitley Strieber attack, and I have no brief for Strieber at all. I decided to write this note after reading the first few paragraphs of his assault on Stan Friedman, long before I got to the part about Budd. My thoughts about Black are very simple. He's hardly the first to raise questions about the Gulf Breeze case, or about Strieber. He does, though, set new records for stultifying self-righteousness, barely concealing a resentment that borders on rage. And he doesn't seem to know the difference between a valid argument, an absurdity, and an ad hominem attack. It's absurd, for instance, for him to condemn MUFON, the entire organization, in part because he went to one function 20 years ago, and didn't like what he heard. And it's certainly an ad hominen attack when he talks about Stan Friedman's personality. Flamboyance, in Jerry Black's eyes, seems to be a kind of crime, prima facie evidence, all by itself, that the flamboyant person is only interested in money and fame. Finally, Black isn't, to put it mildly, very well informed about some of the subjects he discusses. For one quick example, take this: >Mr. William G. Hyzer informed me that the >technology today is as such that anyone who has a computer and >the money can make a UFO photograph that no one would ever be >able to detect as being a hoax. I might note, in passing, Black's exaggerated, almost obsequious respect for Hyzer, who may well be a worthy professional in his field, but surely isn't the fount of unerring wisdom Black makes him out to be. Nobody, nobody at all, is _that_ good. But this statement about computer imagery is, first, not remarkable, because it's something you hear all the time, without having to consult Hyzer or anyone else. Second, it's wrong. Computer-faked images will show subtle signs of fakery, if you closely examine them (and, of course, if you have a deep knowledge of computer graphics). We've discussed that on this list many times. But Black propounds his notion (or Hyzer's) in the same tone of a self-righteous oracle that he uses throughout his broadsides. He makes no distinction between things he might know something about, and other areas, like this one, in which he hasn't a clue. Enough. I don't care whether I agree with Black, or disagree with him, about the many points he raises in his open letters. But I'm offended enough by his tone to feel I should say something. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 1 Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:53:28 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 23:53:01 -0400 Subject: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line The 1999 revised version of Robert Sheaffer's unpublished "An Investigation of the McMinnville UFO Photographs" at: http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/trent.html together with Phil Klass's 1995 "What Bruce Maccabee DOESN'T Tell You About His Investigation of the Famous McMinnville/Trent UFO-Photo Case" at: http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/BSMtrentPJK.html will, I trust, put this "Trent" business to bed once and for all. ;-) Kind regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:22:06 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:11:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>Subtitle - Flying Saucers Are Man-Made Machines >>Author - William R. Lyne, copyright 1993, 1995 >>Revised and expanded second edition >>ISBN 0-9637467-1-5 >>$17.95 >>William R. Lyne >>Creatopia Productions >>Lamy, New Mexico 87540 >>(505) 466-3022 > >Total. >Not partial. >Total. >Wacko. Tell us Bruce, which part of the information is totally Wacko? The idea that Tesla may have had something to do with UFO design and propulsion? Or the claims that Tesla could have contribuited anything to today's technology? I would be interested in knowing. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#: 7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 CPR-Canada News - May 1, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:50:47 -0800 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:13:03 -0400 Subject: CPR-Canada News - May 1, 1999 CPR-Canada News News and Updates from Circles Phenomenon Research Canada May 1, 1999 _____________________________ NEWS * Latest Crop Circle Reports from England * Results of 1998 Magnetometer Survey, by Colin Andrews SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Radar Anomalies: More Rings Over the US FIELDS OF DREAMS LECTURE SERIES * Next Presentation May 10 in White Rock, BC _____________________________ See the CPR-Canada web site for links to these news stories, an archive of previous news and information on other CPR-Canada resources: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3310 _____________________________ CPR-Canada News is the e-mail update service of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada, an affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International, initiated in 1995 by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also founder and director of The Millennium Project. CPR-Canada News is published periodically, with the latest news, information and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe CPR-Canada News" or "unsubscribe CPR-Canada News" and e-mail address to CPR-Canada welcomes your reports and submissions, by the tel / fax / e-mail hotlines or mail. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J Canada =A9 CPR-Canada, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Sighting In Longmont, Colorado From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:03:35 GMT Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:15:18 -0400 Subject: Sighting In Longmont, Colorado On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:29:23 -0600 (MDT), in alt.alien.research MQuire@webtv.net (Mark Quire) wrote: On March 8,99 three Longmont Colorado men working on a project for MV Enterprises watched for nearly 15 minutes while a van-sized silver ball "hovered and whizzed" over the Longmont airport before vanishing over the Rocky Mountains.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Dr. John Mack Event May 11 New York City From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:06:17 GMT Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:18:54 -0400 Subject: Dr. John Mack Event May 11 New York City On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:09:46 GMT, in alt.alien.research uui77@my-dejanews.com wrote: PRESS RELEASE - - - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE JOHN E. MACK, M.D. TRANSFORMATIVE LESSONS OF ALIEN ENCOUNTERS Tuesday May 11, 7 PM Academy of Medicine, 1216 5th Avenue (at 103rd Street), New York City To reserve tickets (212) 713-5664 Tickets sold at the door: $20 or $10 with student I.D. (Doors open at 6 PM) JOIN HARVARD PSYCHIATRIST AND PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING author John E. Mack, M.D., as he presents his latest research into the "alien abduction" phenomenon and previews his upcoming book, Passport to the Cosmos: Transformative Lessons of Alien Encounters (Crown, September 1999). The staff of PEER and several experiencers will join Dr. Mack in an exploration of how these reported experiences may effect our culture and our deeply held notions of ourselves and our view of the world. Since publishing his 1994 bestseller Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens, Dr. Mack has taken a cross-cultural approach to the study of this phenomenon. Dr. Mack and his colleagues at PEER (the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research) have interviewed more than 200 individuals from six continents including members of the Native American and the African Zulu cultures. The wisdom shared by members of native cultures and the evolving perspectives offered by people within our own culture who have had these experiences has resulted in a compelling synthesis that may offer a way for the Western world to come to terms with these extraordinary experiences. "'This phenomenon, both traumatic and transformative, can expand our sense of ourselves and our understanding of reality, and awaken our muted potential as explorers of a universe rich in mystery, meaning, and intelligence." - John E. Mack, M.D. FOR MORE INFORMATION: PEER | Program for Extraordinary Experience Research http://www.peer-mack.org email: peermack@aol.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive End Of The From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:21:18 -0400 Subject: New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive End Of The Source: New York Post, April 30, http://www.nypostonline.com:80/043099/entertainment/7050.htm Stig *** ART BELL'S SPOOKY BOOK: HOW TO SURVIVE END OF THE WORLD By MICHAEL SHAIN RECLUSIVE, late-night radio personality Art Bell has signed a million-dollar book deal. ** Bell, who anchors a popular national call-in show about government conspiracies, UFOs and other unexplained phenomenon, will write about what he says is an imminent weather catastrophe that will plunge the world into another ice age. The book, due in stores in December, was co-written with UFO expert and author Whitley Streiber, who wrote the best-selling "Confirmation: The Hard Evidence of Aliens Among Us" and hosted an NBC special last month based on his book. Bell's show, "Coast to Coast" - heard on WABC (660 AM) at 1 a.m. - is among the most-listened-to radio programs in the U.S. with an national audience of more than 6.25 million listeners a week, according to Talkers magazine. Bell got the high advance - said to be "near $1 million" - because he is the only one among the fraternity of big-time national radio personalities - a group that includes Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura Schlessinger - who has not parlayed his broadcast popularity into a chart-topping book. "For some time, Art has been making best sellers out of authors who come onto his show - now he's due for a best seller of his own," says Mithell Ivers, the editor at Pocket Books who signed Bell last week. Bell's book is to be called "The Coming Superstorm and How to Survive It." It is based on the theory that "when the global warming snaps, the earth will experience a series of ice and snow storm the likes of which haven't been since the last ice age," says Ivers. Bell made headlines last year after announcing abruptly and without explanation that he was quitting radio. He disappeared for several weeks deepening the mystery but returned to the air.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 The Times: Space Holidays Becoming Reality From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:18:55 +0200 (MET DST) Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:23:03 -0400 Subject: The Times: Space Holidays Becoming Reality Source: The (London) Times. Stig *** Saturday May 1 1999 TRAVEL Nick Nuttall discovers why we may soon be telling high street travel agents: 'Fly me to the moon' =A9 The Jetsons' cartoon world may before long become an accurate depiction of the way we live ** Space odyssey becomes reality It is the ultimate holiday destination - yet it is less than 100 miles away. Space. The final frontier is opening up to tourists in the same way that Antarctica and the Arctic, once the exclusive preserve of the military and specialist shipping companies, were opened up by modern cruise liners. Experts predict that space cruises to the Moon may be possible within 10 to 20 years, while several companies in America, Japan and Europe have been competing to be the first to take day-trippers to "astronaut altitude" - that is, space, 62 miles above Earth. Richard Branson this week outlined his plans for the new arm of his empire: Virgin Galactic Airways. He said he expects to be able to take travellers on a two-hour jaunt into space for =A350,000 to =A375,000 within eight years. And he is in talks with several aerospace firms including one called Rotary Rocket, whose backers include the writer Tom Clancy. "Finally it's come to the stage that it's going to be possible to look at taking people into space," Branson said. Daimler Benz, working with the German space agency, disclosed earlier this month plans to build and launch the =A310 million Hotel Galactica, which will circle 300 miles above the Earth, by 2009. It may sound like pie in the sky. But according to Arthur C. Clarke, author of 2001: A Space Odyssey and the British visionary who predicted satellites and mobile phones decades before they emerged: "The idea is quite practical. I am sure that space travel will be big business in the new millennium." He believes space travel is at the stage aviation was at in 1910, when prizes were offered for the first non-stop solo transatlantic flight. Charles Lindbergh achieved that feat in 1927, heralding the start of worldwide commercial aviation and the dawn of the package holiday. Robert Haltermann, a Washington DC-based space travel consultant who worked on Nasa's space shuttle programme, has another analogy: he believes the market is where the cruise ship industry was soon after 1839. This was when Sir Samuel Cunard launched a fortnightly crossing between Liverpool and Boston with 63 fee-paying passengers. Nowadays, 4.4 million people take cruises each year. The idea of holidays in space is not new. Much of the technology has existed for decades - after all, it is nearly 40 years since Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space. Indeed, in 1967, Barron Hilton, chairman of the US Hilton Hotels Corporation, discussed the feasibility of an "Orbiter Hilton and Lunar Hilton". He predicted: "There will be travellers in outer space, and where there are travellers there must be Hiltons." Now, more than three decades on, it looks as if Hilton's dream is closer to coming true. According to John Spencer, executive director of the Space Tourism Society in Los Angeles: "A generation has grown up watching films and television on space and living with space missions. They want to go there too." The race for space has prompted an unlikely union between tourism and science. Since the end of the Cold War, many engineers and aerospace companies, deprived of military contracts, have been focusing on designs for commerical space planes. Another incentive is the Ten-Million-Dollar-X-Prize - an award offered by a consortium of interested businessmen to the first-privately funded team to take three people 62 miles or higher and back twice in a week. Sixteen aerospace and holiday companies - 12 in America and four elsewhere, including Britain - are competing. They are being sponsored by travel companies such as Space Adventures in Virginia. WildWings, a travel agent based in Bristol, is acting as UK agent for the company, which is backing several of the competitors. These include Bristol Space Planes of Bristol, set up by David Ashford, formerly with Hawker Siddeley, who has worked on projects including Concorde and the military Skylark rocket. His Ascender space plane is designed to take off from an airstrip before switching to a rocket motor five miles up. The rocket then propels the small plane and its four passengers at nearly three times the speed of sound to an altitude of 62 miles. Ascender then returns to the airfield about one hour later. Tourists get two minutes of weightlessness and "superb views of the Earth", according to the WildWings brochure. Other designs nearing completion include the Eclipse Astroliner from Californian company Kelly. This is a space plane that is towed like a glider behind a Boeing 747 until, at 20,000ft, its three Russian-made RD-120 engines ignite, hurtling the craft and its passengers 100 miles up. Another project is Pathfinder, from the Pioneer Rocketplane company in Colorado. It takes off like a high performance jet fighter, reaching up to 30,000ft. "A tanker aircraft transfers 130,000 pounds of liquid oxygen into your vehicle's fuel tank. The rocket engine ignites. Suddenly you feel three to four times the force of gravity, pushing you deep in your seat. Two minutes later this space plane is 80 miles up," according to the brochure. Surveys in Japan indicate that 70 per cent would like to go into space and would pay three months' salary to do it. Surveys in America have found 42 per cent are keen. Business in Britain has yet to take off. Only two people have paid WildWings a deposit for its =A355,000 Space Adventure package comprising six days of training, health screening, talks, accommodation, food and, of course, a trip into space. And the proposed first trip, originally scheduled for 2001, has been put back by a year. Dr Madsen Pirie, president of the Adam Smith Institute in London, a right-wing think tank, is one of the two plucky ones. He says he has been fascinated by astronomy and space since "building my first telescope when I was eight". He is convinced that the trip will go ahead and is certain that anyone now in their early twenties will eventually see affordable hotels and other leisure activities in space. Space travel consultant Robert Haltermann reckons there will be no shortage of activities in a space hotel, including weightless or semi-weightless "dining, space games, dancing, stage productions and cosmos-gazing". Other planned pursuits include space walks and space buggy rides on the Moon. Should only a few holidaymakers cross the final frontier in the next few years, it could be because of the cost. Michael Heaney of the Space Frontier Foundation in New York believes prices for a space holiday at an orbiting hotel might be initally as high as =A3250,000. Branson's project is a more modest =A350,000-=A375,000, and a week-long package to an orbiting hotel is being touted at up to =A39,375 by 2005 to 2010 by American firm Space Islands. Haltermann believes whatever the initial costs, prices will eventually fall. "Today there are more than 200 cruise ships accommodating nearly 4.4 million tourists a year. But it was once a luxury for only those few who could afford such extravagance," he says, adding that space tourism is likely to evolve in the same way. Some cynics claim few will really want to boldly go. But supporters dismiss them as Luddites. Robert Zubrin, chief scientist at Pioneer Rocketplane, says: "People say 'Grandma will never fly that way'. Well, that is what the railroad people said about airplanes in 1910." WEBSITE: WildWings http://www.wildwings.co.uk (0117-984 8040) Space Adventures http://www.spaceadventures.com Nasa http://www.nasa.gov European Space Agency http://www.esa.int Links to other stories in the same group *Space odyssey becomes reality *Meanwhile, back on Earth
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 The Science Of Star Wars (New Book) From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:57:56 GMT Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:36:53 -0400 Subject: The Science Of Star Wars (New Book) On Sat, 1 May 1999 12:40:53 -0400, in alt.alien.research "Jeanne Cavelos" <jcavelos@empire.net> wrote: Hi. I'm the author of THE SCIENCE OF STAR WARS, which has just been published by St. Martin's Press. The book explores the four STAR WARS films and asks, how possible is that "galaxy far, far away"? I'm a STAR WARS fan from way back in 1977, when I went into a movie theater and was completely blown away by George Lucas's vision. The STAR WARS movies fueled my interest in space travel and the possibility of alien life, which led me to become an astrophysicist and to work at NASA, and now to write this book. The book has chapters on Planetary Environments, Aliens, Droids, Space Ships and Weapons, and The Force. I discuss in depth what alien life might be like, the factors controlling its formation, whether STAR WARS aliens are plausible, and whether they are appropriate for environments we see them in. You can find further information, including an expanded table of contents and excerpts from the book at my website: http://www.sff.net/people/jcavelos I'd be happy to answer any questions you have on the newsgroup, if you like. Best, Jeanne Cavelos jcavelos@empire.net http://www.sff.net/people/jcavelos phone/fax 603-673-6234
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Steven W. Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:31:44 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:02:18 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 04:11:04 +0100 <snip> >Hi Jerry, Jenny, Jesus, >I thought that I would just bring the following into light. Two >months ago I was chatting to a witness of a local UFO sighting, >and he happened to mention he was from Ghana, West Africa. >He told me about an old myth, concerning little creatures that >would come into the villages at night, and take away people, and >then return them much later. He also commented that they looked >pretty much like your typical Grey? >These occurences have been happening for some centuries now he >told me and apparently still on going, so I guess information on >these little guys and their actions might be easy to track down. >If Cynthia Hind is out there perhaps she may no a slight more >detail on such African case references? If our goal is to confirm the earliest abduction report, so as to eliminate (or at least reduce) the impact of the media in the sub-concious recall of abduction events, then the timing of the "report" is far more critical than the timing of the "event". Research into the African "myth" should certainly take place, but while it will certainly be of interest, it would likely have limited value in showing that classic abduction reports involving "greys" are far older than we had imagined. I have no specific knowledge regarding the specific myth being discussed above, but I have a couple of general comments: The late Joseph Campbell devoted much of his life to the study of myths, and found that nearly every culture has common myths that he suggested may be (at least the roots of which may be) programmed deep in our brain. Certainly the myth of creatures that come in the night and terrorize villages can be found throughout the world. As we review these myths we see parallels with the abduction phenomenon, and some have postulated that there is a connection. Unfortunately, this requires interpretation that is often based on little more than speculation (and in some cases pre-disposed belief). These interpretations can be supported by other evidence (such as drawings or writings), but often those are written in the technology of the day, which then requires further interpretation to apply the abudction theory. All in all, I find this research very interesting, but I also believe that's it's unlikely to lead to any answers regarding the phenomenon. Of course, I'd like to be proved wrong.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:38:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:18:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:04:37 -0400 <snip> >Enough. I don't care whether I agree with Black, or disagree >with him, about the many points he raises in his open letters. >But I'm offended enough by his tone to feel I should say >something. >Greg Sandow Mr. Sandow; Please look beyond the 'tone' and scrutinize the _substance_ of what Mr. Black has to offer. It would be a mistake to assume such a dismissive approach to his comments, as many have repeatedly sought to do. Where it not for "people like" Mr. Black [as Stanton Friedman puts it], then who is to cry foul when MUFON leadership dismisses - or _fires_ - its investigators when they assume positions contrary to party-line, who would argue against researchers such as Bruce Maccabee when they proclaim Gulf Breeze - a case so deeply suspect - to be of merit, and who might offer, out of their own pocket, lie-detector tests to the various 'suspects' of UFOdom as Mr. Black has? Were you not disturbed, Mr. Sandow, when Stanton Friedman published his recent book "Top-Secret/Majic" with an endorsing review by the tabloid Star Magazine on its cover? (Further, the back cover provides another promotional review by the Executive Producer of a science-fiction television program...) Does this constitute what can be expected by scientific objectivity that would be approved or published in 'peer reviewed journals' as Mr. Friedman once stated to Jerry Black? Are Friedman's 'peer reviewers' cronies from The Weekly World News or lackies hanging out behind the set of the next X-Files shoot? But when the reader pages through the book, one only needs to read the Foreword to get their share of skew and agenda. The author of Friedman's foreword is none-other-than Whitley Strieber - UFO abductee, contactee, claimant, former science-fiction writer (who has, by the way, afforded no response to Mr. Black's offer to re-polygraph him at Black's own expense). No, Mr. Sandow. Think of where Mr. Black's comments are headed, and the long-term implications of all this. Jerry Black should not be brushed off so routinely. We would do well to consider his thoughts, closely. Thanks, Kenny Young -- UFO Research http://home.fuse.net/ufo/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Military/Ufologist Co-operation From: Joaquim Fernandes <j.fernan@esoterica.pt> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:01:03 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:27:12 -0400 Subject: Military/Ufologist Co-operation Dear list members, I would like to announce a major and singular contribution to the pragmatic and professional research concerning the UFO phenomena and anomalous events. It resulted from an agreed protocol established two yers ago between the SPEC - Portuguese Society for the Scientific Exploration - and the GNR - National Republican Guard, a military corps similar to the Gendarmerie in France, which is presently around the whole of Portugal in 900 headquarters with more than 5000 agents. The SPEC prepared and distributed, through the GNR High Command, a preliminary report model to be used by the GNR agents when a alleged aerial event is reported by citizens or witnessed by the military themselves. A few days ago we received 14 reports - some of them with interesting data. This initiative is only followed in France with the SEPRA and Gendarmerie protocol and it was obtained with the help of our Air Force assessor, Genereal Conceicao Silva, former chief of staff of the Portuguese Air Force with whom myself and the General Henrique Godinho, GNR's Commandant, established this both historic and exemplar cooperation. I hope that other European countries could achieve a similar kind of cooperation at this level. I think this only can be possible if a serious and competent body of scholars and academic researchers present themselves, with a professional attitude of pragmatic disponibility to the full and non-dogmatic analysis of the so-called anomalous phenomena. This is we do in Portugal within the SPEC and the university groups that form part of the Society. Sincerely yours, Joaquim Fernandes University Fernando Pessoa Porto - Portugal
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Evenly-spaced, Small, Red Squares From: Donald Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 09:35:56 -0300 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:32:58 -0400 Subject: Evenly-spaced, Small, Red Squares Hi Greg Sandow and/or John Velez, I have a subject that complains that periodically he finds a series of small red squares, about 1/8 inch square, in a straight line vertically on his left ankle. Sometimes there are 4 of them and sometimes 5. they disappear for a few months and then they come back again, This has been going on for about 5 years now. They look like this in size and spacing. OOOO or OOOOO. They are red in color, like a scratch. At first he just wrote them off as flea bites or something but they always come back in the same spot and nowhere else on his body or the other leg etc. Also they don't itch and others in the same house don't seem to be affected by these "flea" bites. Once they go away there are no scars or indication that they were ever there. Ever seen reports of others experiencing something similar? Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 The UFO Community on MSN/Week of May 2nd From: Diana Botsford <Diana_Botsford@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 09:35:42 -0500 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:40:06 -0400 Subject: The UFO Community on MSN/Week of May 2nd The UFO Community on MSN is available at http://communities.msn.com/ufo/default.asp. All chats are accessible by using either our built in chat page, MS Chat or any IRC client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the channel/room name is #briefing. ======================================== ***Chat with UFO Lawyer Peter Gersten of CAUS Sunday, May 2nd at 6pm, PT Join the Politics of UFOs staff as we get the latest updates from FOIA attorney Peter Gersten regarding: --The recently dismissed Lawsuit Regarding Col. 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From Glasgow to Japan, UFO organizations and individuals will join us in searching the skies throughout the globe for UFOs. The UFO Community's chat room, #briefing on the MSN chat servers, will be kept open for a 24 hour period where regional coordinators will receive sightings reports from any and all observers. This information will be made instantly available on a public newsgroup created solely for this event. Upon completion of the event, a database of the reports will be generated and presented to any and all organizations and interested parties. This is an opportunity for all those interested in the phenomenon to participate in developing information for researchers around the globe in their pursuit of the truth regarding Ufology. It is a chance to cross boundaries between countries, attitudes and beliefs and simply join in a fact finding mission that will aid all involved. We encourage all organizations and individuals to join us as regional coordinators, phone tree organizers and chat room participants in this endeavor. Beginning June 15th, the UFO Community will have a new newsgroup located at news://msnnews.msn.com/msn.forums.ufo.skynight where you can register your Sky Night team and be assigned an online partner to share your sightings with the chat room and the international UFO Community. Don't forget your cel phone to join the phone tree of region coordinators who will be passing on sightings reports throughout the night in our chat room. And for the really hi tech crew, we remind you to not forget your wireless laptop so you can join the all night chat! Those with questions can email the MSN UFO team at watchfire_FM@msn.com. ***************************** A note from the Publisher (Diana Botsford): To all organizations, we will be doing a great deal of publicity on the internet and through print and radio. This is an opportunity for the public to get to know your organization better as we will be heavily mentioning any and all organizations that would like to join the event. The first stage is now in the midst of planning. This includes developing the list of regions/states/countries, developing a concise report form to be filled out from which the database can be derived, and initial plotting of coordinators. Please join in. We welcome any participation in this effort! ***************************** ===================================== Featured this Week: UFO Researcher Don Ledger The Shag Harbour UFO Case Could Be Something Concrete in Shag Harbour UFO read the Halifax Herald of October 7, 1967. Ufologist Don Ledger shares the details in a reprint of his earlier article published in the CUFOS (http://www.cufos.org) magazine - ISUR. For more details on this case, we also recommend listening to our 1998 interview with Don Ledger. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:34:33 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:05:39 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 04:11:04 +0100 >Hi Jerry, Jenny, Jesus, >I thought that I would just bring the following into light. Two >months ago I was chatting to a witness of a local UFO sighting, >and he happened to mention he was from Ghana, West Africa. >He told me about an old myth, concerning little creatures that >would come into the villages at night, and take away people, and >then return them much later. He also commented that they looked >pretty much like your typical Grey? >These occurences have been happening for some centuries now he >told me and apparently still on going, so I guess information on >these little guys and their actions might be easy to track down. >If Cynthia Hind is out there perhaps she may no a slight more >detail on such African case references? Hi all, hi Roy, Thank you for posting a comment on your chatting with a witness about old African "tales" with (it seems) a reference with "Grays" beings. This is closely the kind of "tales" I=B4m searching for. But, could you state how reliable could be your witness?. This witness is living there, at Ghana or perhaps at some Occidental country?. You knows at our countries is public domain some "Grays" images. In this case, perhaps (only perhaps) your witness he could be linking directly some ancient tales with small beings, with the Strieber, Hopkins and some movies etc...images. You also wrote: >I guess information on these little guys and their actions >might be easy to track down. I think it is not easy to find good "Gray" descriptions. I think the majority of anthropologists they don=B4t have too much interest on this question. Please, could you tell me why is "easy" for you?. If you could find more tales like this (better with references), please, let me know.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:56:41 -0500 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:20:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 Honored list -- taking the liberty of sharing this reply to a private response for #301. It reintroduces a point made deserving some emphasis, I think >>Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 06:12:31 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 >>Apology to MW #301 (For May 1, 1999) >>David -- Goliath. Still fighting it seems. One's over-cocky, the >>other is steamed. One strides the mainstream opposed by too few; >>his erstwhile opponent's _courageously_ new. One narrows scope >>to a slender percentage, the other is open to data with vintage. >>One is a scoffer with knee jerk dismissals; the other's >>employing some truth as his missiles. >Hi, >It was a terrific debate, wasn't it? I was amazed at how easily Stan >won...and it was clearly going that direction right from the getgo. >Just astounding (and frustrating) how quickly the argument could be >won if mainstreamers would simply "listen." >[sender withheld] Also amazing, [name withheld], is how little credit he's getting for it, even from us. I think _that's_ astonishing. -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 1 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 99 10:58:14 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:22:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:16:32 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>Total. >>Not partial. >>Total. >>Wacko. >Dear Bruce, >That's exactly my opinion on Ed Walters too. >Regards, >Don I hope not. Whatever Ed Walters may or may not be, he is not a wacko, total or otherwise. If the author of the book on which Bruce Maccabee is commenting is not a wacko, he's a satirist or a cynical exploiter of popular paranoia. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the first of these. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 99 11:12:45 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:27:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:04:37 -0400 >>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:04:47 -0500 >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net> >>Subject: Black's Open Letter to Friedman Hi, Greg, >>My name is Jerry Black, and I will now state, for the record, my >>position on the UFO topic. >[SNIP!!!!} >Am I the only one who never wants to read another word from Jerry >Black? No, and I suspect not by a long shot. >My thoughts about Black are very simple. He's hardly the first >to raise questions about the Gulf Breeze case, or about >Strieber. He does, though, set new records for stultifying >self-righteousness, barely concealing a resentment that borders >on rage. Black just about defines the notion of self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner. Even when I agree generally with the point he's trying to make (this happens, I'd guess, about half the time), his screeds give me the sort of feeling that I can only compare to the sort of psychic agony one suffers when one hears fingernails scraping a blackboard. >Enough. I don't care whether I agree with Black, or disagree >with him, about the many points he raises in his open letters. >But I'm offended enough by his tone to feel I should say >something. Thanks for speaking out. It's time somebody did. If Jerry Black has a real contribution to make to this subject, let him make it. He can start by canning the self-righteous rants. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 Earth Changes TV/Breaking News - 2nd Face On Mars From: Mitch Battros <earthcng@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:30:28 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:17:12 -0400 Subject: Earth Changes TV/Breaking News - 2nd Face On Mars Is There A Second Face On Mars?...05/02/99 Hi Folks, I have been sent a new find of a second face on Mars. I have asked the person who discovered this anomaly to tell us a little bit about himself. (see below). Mr. Terry James states he has been researching NASA photos for the past five years. His special interest is on the planet Mars. He discovered the second face anomaly on April 7th 1999. Terry James : I've been studying and "hunting" planetary anomalies for about 5 years now. I have interests in architecture, archaeology, astronomy, and ancient art & sculpture. I am 50 years old and was trained as an Architect although I never registered. I've been involved in large commercial, industrial and institutional construction since 1972 and I specialize in the Design-Build method of project delivery. I am not a nut. he he he...If you've taken the time to visit some of my websites and BBS's you'll note that I have a busy time of things. In my latest venture I managed to get an admission from our civilian space agency NASA that there are in fact at least two people on staff who are authorized to classify planetary imaging data and have done so for some (unknown) time....Did you know that? Interesting isn't it? I don't know what you want to know specifically about me but maybe the above information will help you. Regards, Terry The Second Face On Mars: http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html Earth Changes TV continues to remain neutral. You make the call. Mitch Battros Producer - Earth Changes TV web site:
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 2 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Larry Hatch From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 19:05:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 19:05:59 -0400 Subject: 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Larry Hatch From: UFO UpDates - Toronto On 'Strange Days... Indeed' tonight, Larry Hatch. Join co-host Jonn Kares and I on 'Strange Days...Indeed' as we discuss Larry's *U* - _the_ UFO database, mapping and research tool. A Demo of which are available at: http://www.flash.net/~joerit/ufo.html The program starts at 11:00pm EST on 1010 CFRB AM - 50,000 watts 'Clear-Channel' 6070khz Shortwave and you can listen via Netshow Media Player at: www.cfrb.com/ To call the program 'live', dial: On-Air 416-872-1010 1-800-561-CFRB [all over North America] *TALK [local mobiles] ebk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Orange Balls of lights Over OZ From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 01:26:06 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:42:04 -0400 Subject: Orange Balls of lights Over OZ The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia E-Mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au http://www.fan.net.au/~tkbnetw *************************************************************************** UFO Australian Research Network Hot Line Number 1800 77 22 88 Free Call *************************************************************************** Disclaimer: The Keith Basterfield list Owners are not responsible for the content or misuse of this list however,personal insults, flaming will not be tolerated. *************************************************************************** Orange Balls of lights Over OZ ____________________________________ All the reports are under investigation by the closet rep Date: 02.5.99 Day; SUNDAY Time Reported: 7.29PM Source: ANDREW M Location: RICHMOND NSW Message: RE ORANGE OBJECT IN SKY POSSIBLE UFO ************************************************** Date: 02.05.99 Day; SUNDAY T Time Reported: 8.06PM Source: OWEN H Location: LAKE MACQUARIE NSW Message: SAW 6 AND 7 ORANGE LIGHTS IN THE SKY NEAR LAKE MACQUARIE ******************************************* Date: 2.5.99 Day; SUNDAY Time Reported: 12.36AM Location: W.A. PERTH Source: TIM M Message: "ITS A UFO, ITS SPLITTING INTO TWO, COLOURED LIGHTS, ***************************************** Date: 02/05/99 Day SUNDAY Time Reported: 12.38AM Source: GERRY M Location: PERTH W.A Message: RE SIGHTING A.S.A.P. _______________________________________________ One Sighting Report to hand: Date: 02.5.99 Day; SUNDAY Time Reported: 7.29PM Source: ANDREW M Location: RICHMOND NSW Witness Andrew said: Myself and four others saw 6 to 7 orange lights in a V formation in the sky near Lake Macquarie NSW. The lights were heading in an north/westerly direction. We observed the lights not going any faster than a plane. Andrew said: I don't believe in UFOs but could not make out what this was. I called William Town RAAF base and they said they did not have any planes in the air in that location. They told me to call you guys. So I thought I would pass the report on in case you would like to follow it up. Thank you Jan for following this up. Regards Diane Harrison Australian Skywatch Director Co Director of The Australian UFO Research Network
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive... From: "Royce J. Myers III" <rjm3@sprintmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:39:28 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:44:29 -0400 Subject: Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive... >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: New Bell/Strieber Book: How To Survive End Of The World >To: updates@globalserve.net >Source: New York Post, April 30, >http://www.nypostonline.com:80/043099/entertainment/7050.htm >Stig >*** >ART BELL'S SPOOKY BOOK: HOW TO SURVIVE END OF THE WORLD >By MICHAEL SHAIN >RECLUSIVE, late-night radio personality Art Bell has signed a >million-dollar book deal. >** >Bell, who anchors a popular national call-in show about >government conspiracies, UFOs and other unexplained phenomenon, >will write about what he says is an imminent weather catastrophe >that will plunge the world into another ice age. > >The book, due in stores in December, was co-written with UFO >expert and author Whitley Streiber, who wrote the best-selling >"Confirmation: The Hard Evidence of Aliens Among Us" and hosted >an NBC special last month based on his book. <snip> Oh joy. Another book with Bell's name on it written by someone else...who cares. It will probably just regurgitate everyone else's material just like The Source did and not offer anything close to original thought. More doom and gloom, just a mere $19.95.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 15:47:45 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:49:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:22:06 -0700 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>Subtitle - Flying Saucers Are Man-Made Machines >>Author - William R. Lyne, copyright 1993, 1995 >>Revised and expanded second edition >>ISBN 0-9637467-1-5 >>$17.95 >>William R. Lyne >Total. >Not partial. >Total. >Wacko. >>Tell us Bruce, which part of the information is totally Wacko? >>The idea that Tesla may have had something to do with UFO >>design and propulsion? >>Or the claims that Tesla could have contribuited anything >>to today's technology? >>I would be interested in knowing. What did it for me, Mike, were the references to the Illuminati's role in suppressing Tesla's technology. This is a classic delusion more typical of schizophrenia than of serious thinking. Combine that with the tampering of Maxwell's Equation (!!), the Nazis' flying saucer program and the 24, nuclear-armed Nazi submarines that scuttled themselves, and you begin to see a pattern of serious delusion. Either that, or Tim Matthews drained a case of bad Gripple or overdosed on meth. Seriously, if you've ever had a _long_ conversation with a paranoid schizophrenic or two, they can tell intriguing stories of the most complex and detailed conspiracies. Depending on the sophistication of the deluded person, you can buy into their tale -- until you hit a logical roadblock that shakes you out of your credulity. I once met a guy in the Los Angeles area who was convinced his suburban neighborhood had been taken over by illicit drug manufacturers, and the police were in on it. I took copious notes over a period of three or four meetings before he took me for a drive to show me the suspect homes. Finally, he took me close to one home and asked, "Can you smell it? That's the drugs being cooked." I sniffed and smelled the aroma of orange blossoms. Looking up, I pointed out an orange tree in bloom a few feet from the "suspect's" home. The bottom line? That fellow was a sincere but deluded crank. Yet he couldn't hold a candle to the cosmic delusions of William Lyne. Don't be taken in by one or two logical possibilities -- Tesla's inventions are the source of earthly UFOs -- and a seductive premise. Look at the overall structure of the fable -- which is completely bonkers, as Bruce Maccabee so accurately pointed out. Respectfully,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Mack Meets Friendly Crowd In Contra Costa From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:24:19 GMT Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:05:31 -0400 Subject: Mack Meets Friendly Crowd In Contra Costa Source: San Francisco Chronicle, http://www.sfgate.com:80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/chronicle/archive/1999/05/= 01/MN33656.DTL&type=3Dprintable (printable version). Stig *** E.T. May Want to Call Contra Costa Aliens take stage at monthly luncheon John King Saturday, May 1, 1999 =A91999 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com:80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/1999/= 05/01/MN33656.DTL The topic of extraterrestrial life was served up with lunch yesterday in Pleasant Hill. Not one of the 60 people on hand was delayed en route by an alien abduction. But if they had been, luncheon speaker John E. Mack would have known what to do. After all, he's the Harvard professor who wrote the book on the subject. "I've been at this 10 years," Mack mused to the friendly crowd. "I still pinch myself when I hear myself saying certain things. I can't believe I'm doing it." Mack is author of 1994's "Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens" and founder of the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research. He spoke at the April installment of a monthly lunch that proves conclusively -- more conclusively than the evidence so far on alien beings -- that central Contra Costa County isn't as close-minded as critics like to assume. "It's nice to see the consciousness in this place," said a woman who described herself as someone raised in Concord who "at 18 left screaming to go to Berkeley." "It's a sweet homecoming." The lunches are organized by Sergio Lub, a Martinez craftsman who specializes in copper bracelets. The first get-together was simply a long meal with two friends in 1997. "We had some fun, felt so energized, and then we realized that our friends have connections we can benefit from," I was told by Lub, a spirited man of Russian descent who was born in Argentina. Since then, anywhere from 10 to 70 people have gathered to break bread and expand their minds by discussing such topics as how to create alternatives to monetary currency. Each lunch has a speaker; last month it was former state Senator John Vasconcellos, best known for founding California's Self-Esteem Task Force. Not being up on aliens myself -- I don't even watch "The X-Files" --before heading to lunch I checked Amazon.com's entry regarding "Abduction." Three of the four customer reviews were negative: "The fact that anyone can believe in stories such as those presented here," opined one reader, "is an indication that our society has lost whatever ability it once had to think critically and scientifically." Yesterday, though, there wasn't a hint of skepticism voiced in the banquet room at Pacific Fresh restaurant. One man introduced himself as an abductee; one woman referred to herself a trifle vaguely as a "UFO experiencer." Mack spent more than 90 minutes at the podium. And because he didn't need to argue the notion that Beings from Beyond are racking up frequent flier miles at our expense -- the what-if -- he spent most of his time speculating as to the why. His theory: Someone up above wants us to straighten up our act. "Some intelligence out there is concerned that this species is about to destroy the finest jewel in the cosmos' crown," Mack suggested. "The aliens are the emissaries of the divine. . . . God has sent scouts, a posse of beings to remind us of how far things have gotten out of hand." Next topic: people who say they have mated with aliens, even have continuing relationships with them. Mack wonders if this is part of the beings' educational campaign. Think of "human-alien relationships as being a model for relationships" between, say, you and your spouse, Mack said: "Nonjealous, nonthreatening, moving us to a different way of connection. . . . there are different kinds of values that each gains from the experience." In person, with his charcoal slacks and gray shirt and intense but scholarly manner, Mack makes a straightforward impression. Aside from a turquoise-studded silver belt buckle, he looks as staid as any Harvard prof. "He's definitely more on the serious side than the lunatic fringe," said Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine, a Pasadena-based quarterly that follows through on its name. Personal style aside, Shermer scoffs at Mack's notion that Earth is a favored destination of tour groups from Out There. "If this has been going on regularly for years, something should have turned up by now," Shermer said by telephone. "At some point, anecdotes aren't good enough. We've got to have real evidence." Facts, schmacts. Mack dismissed such criticism in the early stages of his talk. "Empirical evidence, that's a minor thing. That's not the point," he said without prompting. "Whatever this is, if it's true, . . . then the whole game is different, who we are, our place in the cosmos." The inevitable question came toward the end: Had Mack been abducted himself? If not, how would he feel if he were? "I'd be curious, sure. I don't think it would be frightening," Mack answered. He ended with a bit of logic worthy of Harvard. "After all, they bring you back." You can reach John King at (925) 974-8354; by writing The Chronicle at 2737 N. Main St., Suite 100, Walnut Creek, Calif. 94596; or by e-mail at kingj@sfgate.com.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 01:54:30 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:35:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 >Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 10:56:41 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 >Honored list -- taking the liberty of sharing this reply to a >private response for #301. It reintroduces a point made >deserving some emphasis, I think >>>Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 06:12:31 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #301 >>>Apology to MW #301 (For May 1, 1999) >>>David -- Goliath. Still fighting it seems. One's over-cocky, the >>>other is steamed. One strides the mainstream opposed by too few; >>>his erstwhile opponent's _courageously_ new. One narrows scope >>>to a slender percentage, the other is open to data with vintage. >>>One is a scoffer with knee jerk dismissals; the other's >>>employing some truth as his missiles. >>Hi, >>It was a terrific debate, wasn't it? I was amazed at how easily Stan >>won...and it was clearly going that direction right from the getgo. >>Just astounding (and frustrating) how quickly the argument could be >>won if mainstreamers would simply "listen." >>[sender withheld] >Also amazing, [name withheld], is how little credit he's getting >for it, even from us. I think _that's_ astonishing. Once again Alfred you pull at our coat tails. :) *No names withheld! In fact I'm going to 'drop' a few! :) Jeff Rense had called me on unrelated business the day after Stan's appearance. Before we could get to business Jeff ended up talking for ten minutes about how great Stan had handled himself, his "opponent" and the material itself. He urged me to go to the archive and give it a listen. I did. I'm glad he recommended it. Stan is to be commended for a completely intelligent and credible showing. I got to spend a little time with him when he spoke at the IF conference here in New York. I didn't miss the oportunity to tell him what a terrific job he'd done. But that was privately. I just wanted to add my voice and commend Stan publicly for a job _very_ well done. They ought to circulate copies of it to every academic and political institution in the land. Truth and knowledge are potent combination and a tough 'get around' for the kneejerk crowd. Having had an occasion or two to spend time with Mr Freidman, I'd just like to add that Stan happens to be one of the genuinely nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. Mis dos centavos! :) John Velez ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 3 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:33:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:47:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Sun, 02 May 99 11:12:45 PDT >>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >>Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:04:37 -0400 >>>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:04:47 -0500 >>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net> >>>Subject: Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Hi, Greg, >>>My name is Jerry Black, and I will now state, for the record, my >>>position on the UFO topic. >>[SNIP!!!!} >>Am I the only one who never wants to read another word from Jerry >>Black? >No, and I suspect not by a long shot. >>My thoughts about Black are very simple. He's hardly the first >>to raise questions about the Gulf Breeze case, or about >>Strieber. He does, though, set new records for stultifying >>self-righteousness, barely concealing a resentment that borders >>on rage. >Black just about defines the notion of self-appointed judge, jury, >and executioner. Even when I agree generally with the point >he's trying to make (this happens, I'd guess, about half the time), >his screeds give me the sort of feeling that I can only compare to >the sort of psychic agony one suffers when one hears fingernails >scraping a blackboard. >>Enough. I don't care whether I agree with Black, or disagree >>with him, about the many points he raises in his open letters. >>But I'm offended enough by his tone to feel I should say >>something. >Thanks for speaking out. It's time somebody did. If Jerry >Black has a real contribution to make to this subject, let him >make it. He can start by canning the self-righteous rants. >Jerry Clark Hi Jerry, Greg, All, This is being written because I like you both (Greg & Jerry) and I would like to save you both some time and maybe grief. ;-) Lemme splain myself Lucy. On several occasions in the past I have expressed sentiments (Re: Jerry Black) that are identical to those in the above posts. The only reason I didn't post this time was that I didn't want to give him an opportunity to post 'another' 25 page long rant in response. I think everybody pretty much sees him for what he is; a _very_ angry and bitter guy with an axe to grind. I do want to caution you however that he has "cronies" that will send you private 'Flames' (you know, the ones that are composed of a pages long single paragraph with no stops for punctuation and written in ALL CAPS!) I once made the mistake of posting my view that Bruce Maccabee's assessment/analysis of the Ed Walters photo's was a credible one. The result? I had to threaten to send copies of the sick garbage I was recieving to the service provider of one 'sender' in order to get it to stop. On every level imaginable it is a _Royal_ P.I.T.A. to deal with this guy. One of his 'lieutenants' in particular will clutter your mailbox with all kinds of e-trash just for disagreeing with his content and style. Consider yourselves officially cautioned! :) A friend, John Velez ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax From: Robert A.M. Stephens <sti3818@montana.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:28:59 -0600 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:17:10 -0400 Subject: RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax Mitch Battros wrote: >Robert, >Can you confirm if this is a NASA mirror site. >http://area51.icom.net/moon/mars/new_face/ >Thanks, Mitch ================= Mitch, and the others, This is re: a pronounced face 'appearing' in one of the 30000 some photos from one of the Mars Medium Altitude orbiters. Mitch, Yes, the photo I sent you earlier today 'is' from the NASA site (enclosed). Someone first went in to the 30000 photos and then from there cut and pasted the MJB Coffee 'man' in the moon graphic. Originally drawn in 1861, it has taken a lesser and lesser role in MJB advertising. The photo enclosed is blown at 500% and you can see the cut and paste clearly as well as turning your head to the right and see the face. Via Unix this is fairly easy to do. I sent the graphic enclosed to Sherry at JPL for her to go in and fix the photo that has been fiddled with. If you go to the JPL PDS site and you can see the odd fakery of it at first glance. Then, after you blow it up, you can see the cut and paste. Here it is again from the NASA JPL site: http://www-pdsimage.wr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/panpic.cgi?DATA_SET_NAME=mdim.des&PROJEC TION=SIMP&RESOLUTION=256&SIZE=4&LAT=9.500000&LON=-8.500000 The site above you have mentioned, Mitch, is not a 'mirror' site of NASA's JPL PDS site. It is a site that links back to the KKSamuri Site which is here: http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html (ATTENTION: Now Here This: Richard C. Hoagland, you're gonna love this. Seriously, If you can get to a computer, this either will be something you can publicly redeem yourself over by pointing out what it is, or, as easy, your next sensational campaign to foul the waters of 'discovery'.) (Attention: Toast to Toast with some Rye at Nye with Art Bell: Art Bell, honey bunches, better get that Major Ed Dames on this right now and let him RV this thing and see if there is any coffee in the crater.) You all should nip this in the bud, or its gonna be, "here we go again". And before anyone out there goes bugshit over this, this has occurred hundreds of times in hacking a site, dropping in the photo, and evaccing from the place with a window washer to hide your DNS and IP tracks. This has Terry Tim Rogers written all over it. Here is the Unix command for entering a gov./cgi.image site: user: gov pass: sci command: bin/calc/bin~graphic.go/back~mdim/DATA>(add url) then: vect/.bin.ftp.des.256/bin/calc/frop/go~/ I use Apple's version of Unix, called A/ux to get in, and Anarchie Pro or OTOOLS as the client. And you can go here for the humor side of NASA/ JPL explaining about 'faces' which is absolutely hilarious. Read it all. Rob Walsh of USGS actually mentions in humor about adding your own images. Great stuff. http://www-pdsimage.wr.usgs.gov/PDS/public/mapmaker/faq.htm Well, Christ in a side car, here we go again...... -- sincerely, Robert A.M.Stephens NASA Documentation Program Stillwater Mills-Aerospace KSC-PIB/shuttle/MSF 406-745-3818 sti3818@montana.com http://people.montana.com/~sti3818/ http://www.stephens-behold.com/index.html http://www.cdfnet.com/INTERVIEWS http://www.nasa.gov/siteindex.html Dissent is my Business. Business is Good.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 UFO Desk - Site Updated - 04-04-99 From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:42:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:58:07 -0400 Subject: UFO Desk - Site Updated - 04-04-99 Hi gang, Please check out my newest addition to UFO Desk. In the authors file, you'll find my interview with Michael Belfiore, creator of the performance piece "Abducted!" Please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:41:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:24:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 07:38:12 -0400 >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >>Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:04:37 -0400 >>Enough. I don't care whether I agree with Black, or disagree >>with him, about the many points he raises in his open letters. >>But I'm offended enough by his tone to feel I should say >>something. >Please look beyond the 'tone' and scrutinize the _substance_ of >what Mr. Black has to offer. It would be a mistake to assume >such a dismissive approach to his comments, as many have >repeatedly sought to do. Kenny - You are a serious investigator, and I have always appreciated your approach to cases. However, I am sure that you know that polemic such as that produced by Mr. Black is not the way to generate any sort of improvement in UFOlogy. Personally, I believe he does make, on occasion, valid points. However, they are not typically points which have not been made by someone else, much more courteously, elsewhere. Even if Walters and Strieber are the charlatans that Black claims, stridency is not the way to alter their impact on ufology. In regard to the Gulf Breeze case, if Mr. Black would like to demonstrate with appropriate science, and in a reasonable, objective tone, how to account for the following, he will be doing us all a service: 1) How the obscuration of the object in Photo 1 and Photo 7 has been accomplished. Double exposure, even with the Hyzer method, has been experimentally discredited. 2) That the light return from objects apparently at the distant edge of the flash is what would be expected from a model at a particular distance (for instance, Photo 13, Photo 16, Photo 23, Photo 35 all have foreground objects whose comparative light return would make that analysis simpler). 3) That Photo 37L and R, which show that the object is obscured by a tree branch in one stereo frame, can be explained with models and mathematics within Walters' competence. It must be accounted for that the calculated size of the object is consistent with that in other stereo photos taken with other equipment at other times, and with non-stereo photos with reference points, such as the road shot. 4) That Walters possessed sufficient knowledge to successfully and consistently spoof stereo photos so that the calculated diameter would remain consistent with that estimated from other images (including the road shot). 5) That Photo 38L and R would be possible to create such that the resulting images be consistent with the Nimslo photo results (this requiring models to be suspended tens of feet above the water 100 or more feet from the shore) for two completely different objects of widely different sizes and yet have the resulting measurments be consistent with other photos taken under other conditions, including the other stereo photos taken by Walters. 6) How the various videotapes could be hoaxed. 8) How and where Walters was able to construct and test and photograph complex lighted models without anyone's knowledge. 9) That Walters had the knowledge, the skills and the tools to create and photograph such models. 10) That he had the mathematical knowledge to spoof the stereo photos or that such could be done by chance. 11) That Walters' family was in on the hoax. 12) Walters' motivation for the hoax. One of the problems with Black's discussion of Gulf Breeze (to take an example with which I am most familiar) is that he does not seem aware that most of these are issues. The characteristic of the scientific approach is best expressed by the section that appears in every scientific paper: related work. In that section, the author of a paper shows his understanding of the work done by the others in the field on the same problem and demonstrates why his approach is better. Black does not seem to properly counterpoint the important portions of the work done by Sanio or Maccabee, nor does he seem to realize or acknowledge the weakness of some parts of the Hyzer analysis. Now none of the above require discussion of Believer Bill, or the model found years later in the old Walters house, or any of the disputable testimony. These are simple qualitative or investigative requirements - and of those, the qualitative tests are of the most interest because they are reproducible on demand and are not subjective in nature. Understand - I am not a Gulf Breeze or Streiber partisan. I have many problems with Gulf Breeze, and I have even more problems with Streiber's case. I haven't devoted a lot of time to Strieber because, frankly, it seems to me he offers very little to work with that is not ambiguous, while Gulf Breeze is not ambiguous at all and offers all of the material needed for quantitative analysis. Of course, of the two, Strieber has certainly had a much more profound social effect. But, at any rate, I keep my mind open on Gulf Breeze because the above points have not been dealt with to my satisfaction, and, until they are, I have no choice but to leave the case open. And Mr. Black can attack everyone involved in the case as much as he wants, but _until_ all of the above points have been addressed to my satisfaction, why should I change my mind? If Bruce's analysis is flawed, I believe he will be receptive to the proof - I know I am. If Jeff Sanio's analysis is flawed, he should also be receptive to the proof. And if Hyzer's analysis is flawed, there should be some sign that Mr. Black is receptive to the notion. Quiet, carefully reasoned, qualitatively backed analysis means a lot more to me than any polygraph test, paid for by someone else or not. And certainly Mr. Black's attitude does nothing to generate confidence in me that the results he will bring forward are any more objective than those he denounces. ------ Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and UFO research - UFO cases, analysis, classification systems, and more... http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/index.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: ... From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:13:17 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:47:52 -0400 Subject: Re: New Bell/Strieber Book: ... >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: New Bell/Strieber Book: ... >To: updates@globalserve.net >Source: New York Post, April 30, >http://www.nypostonline.com:80/043099/entertainment/7050.htm >Stig >*** >ART BELL'S SPOOKY BOOK: HOW TO SURVIVE END OF THE WORLD >By MICHAEL SHAIN <snip> Thank you Stig: I would like to begin this essay with an opinion. Hopefully, it will all come together at the end. My opinion, "I really, _really_ dislike aliens for my perception of what they've done to me over the years." Now, to get on with the subject at hand. I also dislike pigs; not the animal kind, they can be both cute as well as tasty. And, their various body parts can be added to Gripple with which to improve the fermentation process. No, I refer to the kind disguised as humans. Certain shock jocks described above fit that description. So I avoid listening to their shows. Art Bell is not one of those. He fits another category. I also dislike politicians. "A necessary evil," it is said. Well, an unnecessary boil on the ass of humanity would fit my bill much better. OK, OK, what's this got to do with Stig's post? Wait! There's more! I have a tough time with people who claim to have within their bosoms, the sum total of love, caring and nurturing for all humanity while simultaneously inflicting pain. Pay attention, and be patient. We are getting there. Come on funny feeling! I also can't be a member of a crowd. Sometimes, crowds actually does good stuff. But at what cost? But most of the time, crowds only hang people. Lots of stuff I don't like about people. So, in order to understand if my general feelings fit the norm, I took a poll. I asked everybody I know how they felt about Bell, Pigs on the radio (and TV), politics, politicians, people who say they love you, other similar entities and, finally ALIENS! The results of that survey in a moment. First, let us dwell on some of the uglier features of the alien. He doesn't give a crap about his charge, that is the person he (she or it) is abducting. He steals men, women and children from their beds at their most vulnerable age, time of day and does things which can sometimes not be mentioned in a public forum. He travels like a thief in the night, kidnaps people, takes their bodies' fluids, sometimes ova, sometimes emptying seminal vesicles, and gives the abductee a general feeling of malaise which can and often does, cause life long phobias and mental, emotional as well as intellectual pain which cannot be described. Having said that, and having discussed, however briefly, Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Art Bell and many others ... having discussed politicians, politics and those who love humanity ... the overwhelming vote of those polled, in fact 99.9% of my respondents, like aliens the best! Dr. Gesundt
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 The Millennium Report - May 3, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:47:58 -0800 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:59:50 -0400 Subject: The Millennium Report - May 3, 1999 The Millennium Report News and Updates from The Millennium Project May 3, 1999 _____________________________ WEEKLY BRIEFING: Another very busy week; a number of UFO-related updates, including another close encounter reported by British airline pilots, a report from Sarah McClendon, a senior White House correspondent, on continuing pressure for the US Congress to hold hearings on the UFO coverup and a major fireball sighting over Washington State. Plus the usual weekly updates from UFO Roundup and George Filer. Meanwhile, a report from Barry Chamish on how the Israeli media will report on sensationalistic UFO related stories, while ignoring the real, documented cases (sound familiar?). Crop circle reports continue to come in from England (eleven formations as of this writing, since early April), the earliest reported formations of any year to date so far, and now also the first '99 report from Germany, another hot spot in recent years. Colin Andrews reports on the results of the CPRI magnetometer survey of several crop formations in England in 1998, with interesting results. On the astronomical front, an odd "tower-like" anomaly is found on images of the sun taken by SOHO, how thousands can join the search for ET with their home computers and how astronomy is changing our perceptions of God. Also reports on Nostradamus' predictions for our near future, an update on the widespread frog deformities and Japanese "smart homes". * Note - UFO Roundup has been on hiatus the past couple of weeks and _may_ still be at the time of this update (have not received notice yet of postponement for this week's issue). In Special Research Projects, updates on the mystery contrail (or chemtrails) controversy (which we have now witnessed recently here in Vancouver; reports now from across Canada, the US and England) and more radar anomalies. The next lecture for The Millennium Forum is the Fields of Dreams crop circle presentation for May 10 in White Rock, BC, by yours truly (a joint presentation between TMP and Circles Phenomenon Research Canada). The Reverse Speech presentation by Jon Kelly (an associate of David Oates) at Future Beyond Intelligence in Vancouver this past Sunday was well received. Jon will be doing a similar in-store appearance each Sunday this month. More details in the next update. A lecture for The Millennium Forum at FBI will follow soon (date to be determined). TMP is pleased to be supporting Jon's work in this progressive area of research. TMP is always looking for speakers for The Millennium Forum Lecture Series. If you would be interested in doing a presentation here in Vancouver, contact me at the TMP office (contact info below). Likewise, TMP will also do lectures or workshops for your group or event. The Millennium Project is still a new venture and a work-in- progress. Your support and feedback has been most appreciated. The Millennium Report is a weekly e-mail summary of news and reports, TMP events and web site updates, with corresponding links and information posted on the web site (http://persweb.direct.ca/psa). A growing list of recipients - thank you! The next major project is the quarterly (print) journal Millennia, available by subscription, first issue slated for September '99, which will feature in-depth reports on many of the issues covered by TMP. Submissions welcome! More details in future updates. Wishing a good week to all of you. Paul Anderson Director The Millennium Project _____________________________ See the TMP web site for links to the following news stories and updates, an archive of previous news and information on other TMP resources: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa _____________________________ NEWS AND REPORTS * Pressure for Disclosure Heats Up in Congress * British Charter Jet Encounters "Battleship Sized UFO" * Fireball Lights up Skies Over Washington State * Israeli Media Discovers Alien Healing * UFO Roundup 4.16 - May 3, 1999 * Filer's Files #17 - April 30, 1999 * Latest Crop Circle Updates from England * First German Crop Circle of 1999 * Results of 1998 Crop Circle Magnetometer Survey * Tower Like Anomaly Near the Sun * Nearly Half A Million to Join Search For ET * Is Astronomy Refashioning the Image of God? * Nostradamus Sees Trouble Ahead * Parasite Blamed for Widespread Frog Deformities * Japanese "Smart Homes" for the New Millennium SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Mystery Contrails: GOES-10 Satellite Image of Contrails Off West Coast * Radar Anomalies: Rings and Anomalies Over Arizona and South Dakota THE MILLENNIUM FORUM * Next Fields of Dreams Crop Circle Presentation May 10 in White Rock, BC _____________________________ The Millennium Report is the e-mail update service of The Millennium Project, an independent research organization initiated in January 1999 as an alternative source of news and information to the maintream media. TMP was founded by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also director of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada. TMR is published weekly or as breaking news develops, with the latest news and reports, information on TMP events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe TMR" or "unsubscribe TMR" and e-mail address to: psa@direct.ca TMP welcomes your news leads and submissions. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J Canada =A9 The Millennium Project, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Sighting In Sao Paulo, Brazil From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:02:40 -0300 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:10:21 -0400 Subject: Sighting In Sao Paulo, Brazil May, 2nd 1999. Time: 05:15. Place: Ranche Santa Helena, S=E3o Jo=E3o da Boa Vista - S=E3o Paulo, Brazil From: Karina Batista VEGA - Santos Regional blaster@iron.com.br "I could see with two friends, Edison Boaventura and Wallacy Albino, from= GUG (Guaruja UFO Group), a orange UFO, right beside of Mars. At first we thought that it was a star, but the object moved to the right in= a straight line for about 30 secunds, turning off it's light. I just can say that it's size was a bit larger than the planet Mars. Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas= (DEPTE - EBE-ET / Brasilia-Brasil) Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation ICQ - 35119615
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 'Strange Days...Indeed' CFRB 1010 From: Ross Ulan <cf020@freenet.carleton.ca> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:40:08 -0400 Subject: 'Strange Days...Indeed' CFRB 1010 Good Day! Hello, my name is Ross. I've been listening to a few of the 'Strange Days...Indeed' radio shows on CFRB 1010 and have found them to be quite interesting. As a kid (and today as well) I was quite interested in space & the space program. I followed the Apollo missions with great fervor as well as the later skylab, Apollo-Soyuz and Shuttle programs. Despite the plethora of movies and TV shows dealing with space & the alien issue I didn't really believe many of these shows. What I did believe was that the probability of life outside our world was quite high but the idea that we were visited seemed quite improbable. Later on, I read the book on UFOs by Klass which I found interesting but I paid it little attention. It wasn't until more recently that I decided the study the field further. This started innocently enough by renting a tape on Roswell, this followed quickly afterward with study of crop circles, reading many other books including Above Top Secret, The Roswell book by Corso, Top Secret/Majic as well as the Canadian UFO connection. I know the son of the Canadian UFO researcher in 'The UFO Connection' by Arthur Bray. By training I am an electrical engineer working in the avionics field. It is surprising how many people are actually interested in the field as I have been to a number of local meetings. One of the local events here was the 'Carp Caper' and another, the Quebec Lumber yard incident. I've seen hissing meteors at night (Big Rideau area). I have personally not seen a UFO as far as I can tell though I have observed a strange aircraft as the following story tells,... Big Rideau - Wed July 16, 9pm (1997) (Big Rideau is between Ottawa & Kingston, Ont Canada) I just finished a nice dinner etc and went to relax on the Hammock for a while. The sky was clear with a bright moon about 80% full and it was dusk. I was looking at the moon to the east, about halfway up the sky. Flying from South to north I noticed a brightly lit rectangular object moving northward. It had no flashing lights on it and I could see no 'wings' on it. I was looking at it for about 10s before it disappeared from view behind some trees. My impression was that it was that is was a passenger plane on the Toronto to Ottawa or Kingston to Ottawa route. It was travelling the speed that a typical jet plane would, no sound was heard though. So I thought it might cross the path of the moon and make for a neat sight. However it seemed to take too long to appear in view again on the other side of the trees so I went down to the waterfront where I have a totally unobstructed view of the sky and I could see absolutely NOTHING! This was about 20-30s after losing sight of it behind the trees. If it was a plane that had lost sunlight shining on it then at least on would still see an outline and perhaps a flashing aviation light. It was too high to lose sunlight anyway. I had taken a set of binocs but did not have them readily accessible at the time, though I did use them a few minutes later to scan the sky and saw nothing save for the moon. David Duchovny (Mulder, X-files) reported seeing an object back in 1987 in Ocean City, Maryland that looked like a plane but was gone a second or so later. I posted this on a news.group and another came back saying they saw a large object at about that same time frame but in another location at a cottage near Manawaki (1.5 hrs north of Ottawa) as follows,... From: ca241@freenet.carleton.ca (Brian A. Cowper) Subject: Re: Have you seen any sightings around here? To: cf020@freenet.carleton.ca Reply-To: ca241@freenet.carleton.ca Hi Ross: Interesting story. I have one _amazingly_ similar and it was this summer too: My girlfriend and I were up at her cottage, on an island, near Maniwaki, saw this silvery airplane travelling silently in the distance. Both of us were watching intently, 'thinking' it was an airplane, but curious about its silence; it was maybe a couple of miles away and was going at an average speed for an airplane. We glimpsed it for maybe half a minute before it was obscured by a tall evergreen. We both waited for it to reappear. When it didn't we both looked at each other and walked towards the lake and the dock for an unobscured view and there was nothing there, at all. It was silver, horizontal length three or four times height, could've been rectangular, but sensed it was more 'cigar' shaped [I use this word hesitatingly]. In the middle of the afternnoon. We saw it very clearly. We also saw a plane, relatively close, late at night, flying too slowly for its distance, red, green and white lights, flashing jerkily up and down while maitaining its flight path. Absolutely no sound. We were in the middle of the lake in a canoe, with complete silence. The 'apparent' movement of the lights attests to its proximity, but I've seen a lot of planes at night, and the movement of the lights was very peculiar. Anyway. Brian In Canada we don't surf, we Canoe!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Re: RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:04:54 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:21:39 -0400 Subject: Re: RAMS - 2nd Mars Face A Hoax >Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:28:59 -0600 >From: Robert A.M. Stephens <sti3818@montana.com> >To: UFO Updates Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >Subject: Re: Mitch- NASA mirror site? >Mitch Battros wrote: >>Robert, >>Can you confirm if this is a NASA mirror site. >>http://area51.icom.net/moon/mars/new_face/ >>Thanks, Mitch >================= >Mitch, and the others, >This is re: a pronounced face 'appearing' in one of the 30000 >some photos from one of the Mars Medium Altitude orbiters. >Mitch, >Yes, the photo I sent you earlier today 'is' from the NASA site >(enclosed). Someone first went in to the 30000 photos and then >from there cut and pasted the MJB Coffee 'man' in the moon >graphic. Originally drawn in 1861, it has taken a lesser and >lesser role in MJB advertising. The photo enclosed is blown at >500% and you can see the cut and paste clearly as well as >turning your head to the right and see the face. <snipped *RAMS* banging the same old gong (sounding remarkably like a trash can lid> I'd forgotten I was reading UpDates for a moment, and thought I was in one of the unmoderated alt.ufo newsgroups festering merrily in usenet. If you'll allow this kind of rabidity, Errol, I can do it a _lot_ better than he can, and make more sense (and be more open minded) while I'm doing it. <g>. Lehmberg@snowhill.com [Rabidity? Only 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen' ..... 'Ave yew 'eard me tork? All of this and more - only on UpDates. Curiouser & curiouser. <LOL> Since Mitch's original was posted here, I I felt obliged. --ebk] -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 1 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Flaming Mystery In Sky Over Alice Springs From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:07:52 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:33:33 -0400 Subject: Flaming Mystery In Sky Over Alice Springs The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia E-Mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au http://www.fan.net.au/~tkbnetw **************************************************************** UFO Australian Research Network Hot Line Number 1800 77 22 88 Free Call **************************************************************** NORTHERN TERRITORY NEW Darwin Thursday April 22nd 1999 Flaming Mystery in sky over Alice Springs Alice Springs have received a report of a large flaming orange ball hovering in the sky over the town. A man told police he saw "a fireball" in the eastern sky about 8.40pm on Monday. The object moved around the sky. The man estimated it was the size of an aircraft and its altitude varied from 80 to 400m. During the nine-minute sighting the object apparently darted around the sky. The man said the object's movement was totally inconsistent with a hot-air balloon. The object eventually moved north of Alice Springs and disappeared. UFO Police reported the sighting to aviation authorities. The Alice Springs Ufologist Keith Douglass did not think the object was either a meteor or a balloon. "Keith Douglass said: "I suppose it could have been a meteor burning up in the atmosphere, but it sounds like it changed direction. "I've seen Fireballs before but they do not dart around the sky. These things seem to be controlled". Mr. Douglass said Alice was a very active area for sightings. "In fact only a couple of weeks ago we got a report of a nice green one from someone at Santa Teresa, about 80km south-east of Alice Springs. DH. Thank you Keith Douglass for sending me the newspaper clippings and reports. Regards Diane Harrison Australian Skywatch Director Co Director of The Australian UFO Research Network Founder of The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia The Australian Network that links all Australian UFO Groups and Independent UFO Researchers 1800 77 22 88 The Network that works together
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:38:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:24:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO >From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> >Subject: Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:21:04 +0100 ><snip> >Evening Standard (London) 27th April. >UFO mystery as pilots see red >An unidentified object described as "a great red light in the >sky" and "big as a battleship" has caused consternation in the >skies over the North Sea. >Pilots reported being buzzed by a "long, cylindrical object" at >28,000ft and one pilot and his crew described how the underside >of their jet became bathed in an "incandescent light". >The Civil Aviation Authority has confirmed that a comprehensive >report of the sightings has been handed in, although both it and >the Ministry of Defence deny that they are investigating it. >The Luton-based plane, a Debonair BAe146, was flying company >executives from Sweden to Humberside airport when, it is >claimed, the object came to a sudden halt before speeding by the >airliner in the incident on 3 February, 58 miles off the coast >of Denmark. I have today obtained a copy of the official report by Debonair to the Civil Aviation Authority concerning the above sighting, which occurred on 3 February 1999. The report was filed as "a mandatory occurrence report" and the CAA were taking no further action as "there was no danger to the aircraft or passengers." A spokesman for Debonair said the pilot is currently on leave and a request has been put out for him to make a statement to the press when he returns. It was added that the pilot assumed the lights beneath the jet were those of another aircraft at the time they were seen. She said the company had been "snowed under" with inquiries from the press about the sighting. The Debonair report to the CAA report reads: "Unidentified bright light below BAe146 at FL280. "Area below a/c illuminated for 10 seconds by incandescent light which was not considered by reporter to be an a/c landing light. Reporter stated three other a/c reported seeing it moving at high speed or static. ATC informed but they reported no other a/c in vicinity. Five minutes later a radar return was present at 75 miles on weather radar. Atmosphere reported as stable and no other a/c were in vicinity." The aircraft involved was a British Aerospace 146, a small four engined jet flying on a chartered flight from Linkoping in Sweden to Humberside Airport in East Yorkshire. The UFO was reported whilst the aircraft was flying at 28,000 feet, 58 miles off the Danish coast above the North Sea. Tracey Law, of Humberside Airport, said the report was made by the pilot to the CAA on landing, but there was "no mention made whatsoever of UFOs in the original report..it has since been embellished. It was not mentioned to us officially as it happened outside of our airspace." In particular she mentioned the description of the UFO as being "as big as a battleship" being manufactured by the press, Humberside Airport said they believed the sighting had been caused by "a light reflection from the underside of the jet." Flight Lieutenant Tom Rounds of the RAF at the Ministry of Defence, Whitehall, said the MOD had learned of the report via the Press. He said stories that the object had been tracked by RAF radar were "laughable" as the UK radar could not pick up objects 58 miles off the Danish coast. Flt Lieut Rounds said the MOD were not investigating the report,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 UFO Roundup Still Delayed From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:18:17 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:11:29 -0400 Subject: UFO Roundup Still Delayed There is still no word from Joseph Trainor the editor of UFO Roundup (He was hoping to be back online by now) and this regrettably means the bulletin is still delayed. As soon as I hear from him I will let everyone know. Regards, John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 4 Blather: Unconventional Means 1 From: Blather - Daev Walsh <daev@blather.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:57:15 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:38:23 -0400 Subject: Blather: Unconventional Means 1 ______________________________________________________ B L A T H E R p a r a n o r m a l p r o v o c a t e u r i s m By Dave (daev) Walsh daev@blather.net Web: http://www.blather.net _______________________________________________________ May 4th 1999, Dublin, Ireland Vol 2. No. 42 _______________________________________________________ Lily O'Briens is a manufacturer of premium handmade chocolates located in the heart of County Kildare in the Emerald Green Island of Ireland. Surf along to their website and feast your eyes - and order via our secure server! http://www.lilyobriens.ie/ ______________________________________________________ Unicorn Jones is the new band comprising David Banks, John Beck and Dick Nolan. Check out their album *A Hundred Thousand Million Stars* at http://www.unicornjones.com/ ______________________________________________________ UNCONVENTIONAL MEANS I 'We were somewhere over Manchester on the edge of England when the drugs began to take hold... and suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the plane, which was going about a thousand miles an hour on the way to the UnConvention in London. And a voice screaming: "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?" 'I thought about telling the pilot, dragging myself up the aisle, fighting off the lizard-like stewardesses with my sword-stick, but no... ...no point in mentioning those bats I thought. The poor bastards will see them soon enough.' By 1100 hours, Blather's leading gonzo journalist staggered from his plane at London City Airport and lurched into the steaming fleshpots of the City. By 1900 hours he was seated by the Thames - outside a certain alehouse near Blackfriars bridge - those adept in conspiracy lore may note that Roberto Calvi - The Italian financier - was found dangling from this bridge in 1982, his pockets laden with bricks. Calvi was known as 'God's Banker', due to his ties to the Vatican, as well a member of Propaganda Due (P2), a right-wing, once Masonic group with connections to the CIA and the Italian Mafia. But we digress. Various folk of the forteana mailing list clique sucked down ales in the bearable damp of Friday's twilight UnDrinking, before some of us - members of the American and Irish contingents - slunk off for a Chinese meal, during which the waiter insisted on ripping apart a duck for our entertainment. Fortunately, it was dead and well-cooked beforehand. After hours of sampling the late night drinking dens of Soho and slugging back garlic-chili-vodka shots, we made for home, grabbing some fitful shut-eye in for preparation the UnConvention weekend ahead. Long-time Blather sufferers may recall last year's UnConvention reports - a two-day conference on the weird, wonderful and paranormal, staged by Fortean Times, the *Journal of Strange Phenomena*. Last year's event covered such topics as Goat-Suckers, giant elephants, thunderbirds, grim-reapers, Elvis cults, hollow earth, Men in Black amongst other oddities. This year's UnCon - which took place in the Commonwealth Institute on Kensington's High St., had a different thread - 'Monsters, Madness & the Millennium'. We shall try to furnish the readership with a brief rundown of the events... When Damian Thompson, author of the excellent *The End of Time: Faith and Fear in the shadow of the Millennium*, kicked off his talk, the atmosphere was comparable to the first day of school term. So intriguing was the Thompson spiel, we're giving it an exorbitant chunk of column space. A week before speaking to the UnCon, Thompson had been in Peru, visiting the 'The Israelites of the New Universal Covenant', a new religious movement in the Andes, now with allegedly 200,000 members. The talk was accompanied by interesting photographs of the the group. He described the sacrifice of a heifer by men in 'old testament clothing', surrounded by hundreds of people in a scene seemingly influenced by Hollywood renditions of Biblical themes, inside a half-built copy of Solomon's Temple, with a Mexican Mariachi band playing along... He talked of 100ft (30.48m) high letters on a mountainside reading: 'Israel in Peru' 'Peru is Privileged' The Israelites believe that Peru is new Holy Land, that Israel is out of favour with God, that they *are* the Incas, and that their leader - Ezekiel - an 81-year old shoemaker with Seventh Day Adventist influences is the Son of God, The Holy Spirit and the Last (of the old) Inca rolled into one (this somehow reminds of Jan Bockelson, the 16th century M=FCnster (Germany) tailor who became a local Messiah figure after 'running naked through the town in a state of ecstasy'. See *The End of Time*, page 85. The Israelites seem to be a mixture of Andes peasants, Peruvian Indians, repentant criminals, reformed alcoholics, ex-drug addicts and narcotics pedlars - these people are searching for a better way of life. As Thompson states, they 'get new meaning from life when they join Israelites'. While Ezekiel's followers dress in a Cecil B. De Mille gone Technicolor chic - the men in long beards, white robes, vivid blue sashes, the women with their heads wrapped in red scarves, the Son of Man himself (who, according to Thompson, seems somewhat senile) wears normal black clothes, and seems almost indifferent to his thousands of worshippers. On his birthday, they sing to him... there's a full moon, and a mariachi band playing outside. Worshippers appear in plastic Inca apparel, a woman is in tears - she has met the Living God. Ezekiel seems more interested in his food. Perhaps he's bored... Most Israelites were illiterate before getting hold of Bibles. Thompson states that there seems to be no fixed doctrine - any Bible will do, and any question - never mind how mundane - is referred to the Bible. His own visit was shown to have been a prophecy fulfilled. In fact, Doctrine seems to be a fast evolving concept there, with Ezekiel constantly surprising his followers with his unpredictable whimsy - he gives Thompson answers about forthcoming apocalyptic events that seem to be plucked from the air. Despite their taste for the death penalty - it's in the Bible after all - and their sense of impending doom, Thompson seems have a lot of time for these people. Although, like many, most, or perhaps all religious movements, followers are being strung along with 'false' hope, this hope may be far better than any other existence that these people may have had to look forward to. Damian Thompson *The End of Time: Faith and Fear in the shadow of the Millennium*, 1996 ISBN 0-7493-8609-6 Tony Healy was next up, with 'The Poltergeist Down Under', referring to last last year's alleged poltergeist activity in Humpty-Doo, in Australia's Northern Territory. We won't dwell too much on the matter here, as while Healy's talk was riveting, highly enjoyable and informative, much of the information has been dealt with in both Blather and *Fortean Times* (FT116:34). Tony Healy, and his associate, Paul Cropper spent much time investigating one the arguably most interesting 'polt' cases ever, a case further complicated by a tabloid TV show's manhandling of the facts. Despite Healy explaining - and even showing - how he and Cropper had checked all sorts of possibilities - such as checking that objects were not being hurled from ceiling fans - a rather obstinate member of the audience piped up to say that it 'had to be' the ceiling fans, and that fakery 'was' the 'only' explanation (presumably meaning that this 'explanation' also covered the outdoor incidences of materialising lightbulbs, flying knives and the like - all in the presence of a toddler). We hope that this irate (and apparently deaf) sceptic attended Ian Simmons' talk on the 'Proof of Everything' on the Sunday of UnCon, where he would have had his claims torn asunder - Ian had been practising with the ceiling fan in his hotel room, showing that objects will drop from a ceiling fan while it is accelerating after start-up, not at unpredictable times while it is running (unless they are temporarily fixed to the fan, which still wouldn't explain how they can fly horizontally at face level, from a ceiling fan...) Blather coverage of the Humpty-Doo case, by Cheyne D. Conrad, Peter Darben, and Paul Cropper, with varying opinions... http://www.blather.net/archives/issue1no50.html http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no1.html http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no4.html At 1400 hrs, The Duke of Mendoza, in an exquisitely tailored suit, followed the Count O'Blather's furtive forage for back-seats for Daniel Wojcik's 'Modern Millennial Beliefs'. Wojcik, Associate Professor of English and Folklore at the University of Oregon, author of *The End of the World as We Know It: Faith, Fatalism and Apocalypse in America* and the forthcoming *Doomsday Passions*, gave a rousing speech on modern American end-time beliefs, showing some of the frankly hilarious popular Christian comic-strips depicting the rapture. This talk was a boon to those still rather addled by the whole millennial thing, giving a good overview on the sheer ludicrousness of it all. Wojcik's talk ended with the conclusion that millennialism isn't about to disappear due to a mere change of millennium - he reckons that we should expect a kind of reformist millenarianism for the 21st century. An excellent quote (which I don't think he knew he made until later) was: 'No Catastrophe Necessary' Check out the Millennial Information Exchange at http://www.endnear.com 'Theatrical Maverick' Ken Campbell came to entertain and confound us with his proposition of a 'Wol Wontok' - a One Word Language, i.e. pidgin English. This talk took the form of entertainment with a message - Campbell was dressed in a strange (hemp?) suit scribbled with pidgin - a language apparently created about 150 years ago when south-seas tribesmen slaves, captured and segregated from others of their own tongue by the British. They developed a language with no tense or grammar, by listening to their apparently Irish guards...and lo, we have pidgin, variations of which are known as Creole. Campbell claims that he can teach the entire language in 24 hours (Blather may send an envoy to learn), and has re-written Shakespeare's Macbeth in Pidgin. Various helpers come on stage to help him with excerpts, including Lady Macbeth 'Take my milk for gall' becomes something (saemting) like 'Put grilli in my titti' or somesuch. Roddy McDevitt came on stage armed with a bodhr=E1n - the Irish traditional goatskin drum - and performed Paul McCartney's *Blackbird*...in pidgin. This was followed by his reading of *The Second Coming* by W.B. Yeats - which his brother, Niall, performed in pidgin... It's certainly fascinating to listen to and use: ting=3Dthink ting=3Ddeep thought (thought about thought) blong=3Dbelong ting ting blong ting ting (deep thought belonging to deep thought) =3Dphilosophy It's a language that seems to mean very little when seen written - but makes much more sense when heard. As the first site below mentions, if you're at the airport, and someone asks you: Plen bambae i foldaon long wanem taem? (Plane by and by it falls down at what time?) 'Don't run for cover. The enquirer is simply trying to establish what time the plane is due.' "Evri samting yu wantem save long Vanuatu be yu fraet tumas bling askem" (Everthing you wanted to know about Vanuatu but were afraid to ask) http://www.hideawayholidays.com.au/vli1.htm Pidgin/English Dictionary http://www.hardlink.com/~chambers/HLP/lang/pidgin.html Lingo http://hanaleihaven.com/lingo.htm Pidgin and Creole Languages http://aldus.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/pidgins/pidgin.html At this point in time, we ran out of steam and so retired to the bench, loading ourselves with coffee and chocolate...and spent time nattering to various fiendish folk who were found wandering the grounds of the Institute. Other notable attractions were the bookstalls, where the inimitable Jon Downes was holding forth, various authors were inscribing manuscripts for their fans, and people were laying out money to have their auras photographed - if any readers had a go at that, we would be delighted to hear their comments. As we didn't get a chance to pay much heed to the other UnCon periphery pursuits - such as the *The Mind Machine*, The Seances, and The Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena (ASSAP) experiments, Blather appeals to those who did to come forward and be heard... and, as there were always two speakers on at the same time, we only managed to make to less than half the speakers. As a result, we missed Richard Wiseman, David Barrett, Jenny Randles, Gordon Rutter & Scott Russell, Andy Roberts, Neil Nixon, Emmet Sweeny, and rather deplorably Tony Healy's Yowie talk. Any readers wishing to contribute their comments on these talks - feel free to pass their Blatherings to us... - and so Day I ended, and the troops headed off to various Kensington Hostelries for revelries... 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Close Encounters in Caledonia From: Blair Cummins <ufoblair@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:46:24 PDT Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:35:14 -0400 Subject: Close Encounters in Caledonia Greetings List - I came across the following in the Clippings section of the May 1999 edition of the World Press Review. Close Encounters in Caledonia The glens of Scotland could hold secret British military bases that are hiding UFOs, claims Ron Halliday, a senior academic at Stirling University. Halliday, chairman of Scottish Earth Mysteries Research and author of UFO Scotland: The Secret History of Scotland's UFO Phenomenon (B&W Publishing), says the military may be using large rural areas to store alien life away from public view. Glasgow's Herald reports that Halliday has pinpointed the remote Highland village of Machrihanish as the possible site of a secret base. The village used to be the location of a large NATO base and still has a long airport runway. Over the past few years, locals have reported seeing flying saucers and other unexplained phenomena. Halliday says "Machrihanish would be an ideal spot from which to operate aircraft technology that the government wanted to keep secret, including devices allegedly developed from captured alien discs." He added, "It's not easily accessible and so is protected from prying eyes." Locals, however, remain skeptical. They say that tiny Machrihanish, population 200, is better known for close encounters with flying golf balls than with aliens. One woman at the golf club, who wanted to remain anonymous, says, "I doubt this is happening." And a spokesperson for Britain's Ministry of Defense tersely tells The Herald, "We do not have any such bases." Best regards, - Blair Cummins ufoblair@hotmail.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:18 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:38:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On >From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line >Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:53:28 -0700 >The 1999 revised version of Robert Sheaffer's unpublished "An >Investigation of the McMinnville UFO Photographs" at: >http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/trent.html >together with Phil Klass's 1995 "What Bruce Maccabee DOESN'T >Tell You About His Investigation of the Famous McMinnville/Trent >UFO-Photo Case" at: >http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/BSMtrentPJK.html >will, I trust, put this "Trent" business to bed once and for all. Dear Keith: Time to get out of bed and become informed. Sheaffer's _1969_ paper (recently "revised" and put on the web) was thoroughly discussed.... some might say "dismissed" .... by my work in 1976 and again in 1982. Sheaffer's arguments have been shown to be wrong. As for Mr. Klass...... after all these years the strongest argument he has against the Trent case seems to be that a lady of "not exceptional" (!!!) intelligence could make mistakes in recalling events when she was questioned 24 or more years after they occurred. Incidently, the Trent's have died recently: Evelyn in 1997 and Paul in 1998. They were interviewed in 1995 and presented the same story they told in 1950. When the sighting occurred these people were poor but industrious farmers. During the years of interviews and numerous publications of their pictures they were still poor but industrious farmers (raising several children). When they died they were (retired ) poor farmers. It was very interesting to me to see that, even though there were literally world famous because of their pictures, certainly the most famous people in the McMinnville area, the obituaries said exactly nothing (!) about their UFO sighting. It was certainly my impression, and I gather that also of numerous others who interviewed the Trents (or were teir neighbors) that the UFO sigting was not of great importance to them and, that the resulting publicity, etc. was a considerable annoyance.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:44:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:16:32 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>Total. >>Not partial. >>Total. >>Wacko. >Dear Bruce, >That's exactly my opinion on Ed Walters too. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion....uninformed though it may be. Incidently, you may find the following paper enlightening: www.accessnv.com/nids Get to the front page and look for research articles. On the
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:24 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:48:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:22:06 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:51:57 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>>Subtitle - Flying Saucers Are Man-Made Machines >>>Author - William R. Lyne, copyright 1993, 1995 >>Total. >>Not partial. >>Total. >>Wacko. >Tell us Bruce, which part of the information is totally Wacko? >The idea that Tesla may have had something to do with UFO You got it >Or the claims that Tesla could have contribuited anything >to today's technology? >I would be interested in knowing. Hooray for Tesla contributing to today's technology (e.g., each time you see a transformer of a telephone pole think "Tesla"). Unfortunately a lot of... "dreamers"... have gone far beyond what is known (phenomenous) into the numenous (beyond the pale)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:16:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:49:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 02:33:38 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >I once made the mistake of posting my view that Bruce Maccabee's >assessment/analysis of the Ed Walters photo's was a credible >one. >The result? >I had to threaten to send copies of the sick garbage I was >recieving to the service provider of one 'sender' in order to >get it to stop. On every level imaginable it is a _Royal_ >P.I.T.A. to deal with this guy. One of his 'lieutenants' in >particular will clutter your mailbox with all kinds of e-trash >just for disagreeing with his content and style. Sorry to be the cause of so much discomfort. But thanks for the support.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:22:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:56:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:41:05 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman <snip> >However, I am sure that you know that polemic such as that >produced by Mr. Black is not the way to generate any sort of >improvement in UFOlogy. Personally, I believe he does make, on >occasion, valid points. However, they are not typically points >which have not been made by someone else, much more courteously, >elsewhere. >Even if Walters and Strieber are the charlatans that Black >claims, stridency is not the way to alter their impact on >ufology. In regard to the Gulf Breeze case, if Mr. Black would >like to demonstrate with appropriate science, and in a >reasonable, objective tone, how to account for the following, he >will be doing us all a service:> >1) How the obscuration of the object in Photo 1 and Photo 7 has >been accomplished. Double exposure, even with the Hyzer method, >has been experimentally discredited. >2) That the light return from objects apparently at the distant >edge of the flash is what would be expected from a model at a <snip> >3) That Photo 37L and R, which show that the object is obscured >by a tree branch in one stereo frame, can be explained with <snip> >4) That Walters possessed sufficient knowledge to successfully >and consistently spoof stereo photos so that the calculated <snip> >5) That Photo 38L and R would be possible to create such that >the resulting images be consistent with the Nimslo photo results >(this requiring models to be suspended tens of feet above the >water 100 or more feet from the shore) for two completely <snip> >6) How the various videotapes could be hoaxed. >8) How and where Walters was able to construct and test and >photograph complex lighted models without anyone's knowledge. >9) That Walters had the knowledge, the skills and the tools to >create and photograph such models. >10) That he had the mathematical knowledge to spoof the stereo >photos or that such could be done by chance. >11) That Walters' family was in on the hoax. >12) Walters' motivation for the hoax. Might add: how Walters managed to fake the "Blue Beam photo" (#11) and the "Beam with Frances photo" (#24). Number 11 has been proven _not_ to be a simple double exposure photo. And, of course, one could add in numerous questions related to (a) other persons who claimed to have seen the same object in the same time frame (e.g., Truman Holcomb who said he saw the same sort of object emanating blue beams in April, 1988) and (b) all the other sightings by Ed (and others) in the years following 1988 (see UFOs Are Real, Here'S The Proof, Walters and Maccabee, Avon, 1997). >One of the problems with Black's discussion of Gulf Breeze (to >take an example with which I am most familiar) is that he does >not seem aware that most of these are issues. The characteristic >of the scientific approach is best expressed by the section that >appears in every scientific paper: related work. In that >section, the author of a paper shows his understanding of the >work done by the others in the field on the same problem and >demonstrates why his approach is better. Black does not seem to >Sanio or Maccabee, nor does he seem to realize or acknowledge >the weakness of some parts of the Hyzer analysis. For example, in a double exposure one must take two pictures (exposures): first of the model in a darkened room (black surface behind the model) and second outside. In each case the camera is hand-held. By experiment it was determined that the camera shutter would stay open as long as Ed held the shutter button down under these low-light conditions. Hence there was time for camera jiggle.... which occurred and is evidence in the smears of the images, in particular those of the bright lights. Sainio proved that the smear direction and size were the same in the UFO image and the nearby streetlight image. This argues AGAINST double exposure unless you can prove that the camera jiggle during the first exposure would be exactly the same as in the second exposure (not likely!). Black has never discussed the significance of the identical image smears of the "knowns" (e.g., streetlight) and the "unknown" (UFO image). >Now none of the above require discussion of Believer Bill, or >the model found years later in the old Walters house, or any of >the disputable testimony. These are simple qualitative or >investigative requirements - and of those, the qualitative tests >are of the most interest because they are reproducible on demand >and are not subjective in nature. <snip> >Mr. Black can attack everyone involved in the case as much as he >wants, but _until_ all of the above points have been addressed >to my satisfaction, why should I change my mind? If Bruce's >analysis is flawed, I believe he will be receptive to the proof >- I know I am. If Jeff Sanio's analysis is flawed, he should >also be receptive to the proof. And if Hyzer's analysis is >flawed, there should be some sign that Mr. Black is receptive to >the notion. Hyzer's analysis was discussed thoroughly soon after it was published.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:59:08 -0400 Subject: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no significance to this, it was just something I noticed. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Sighting - Austin, Minnesota, USA From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:07:13 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:58:09 -0400 Subject: Sighting - Austin, Minnesota, USA From: jojodamanly@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:57:42 -0700 To: dledger@cableinet.co.uk Subject: INCOMING FORM Name: Chris date: around April 20th location: Austin, Minnesota USA time: 9:30 central time PM: on My_Sighting_Submission : It was a nice night out so me and my sister decided to go out for a drive. We were talking and listening to the radio when we heard a loud noise. It was kind of screechy and surprised us both. At first we thought it was the car so we pulled over and shut off the car. I went outside, but I could still hear it. I then looked North to where I felt the noise was coming from. I saw a rather large light in the air. My sister thought it was a plane because we were close to an airport. The light was bright and didn't blink at all like a plane does. When we saw it stop and move straight up we thought it must have been something else. We both believe in UFOs so we assumed it was one. The light suddenly changed to a light blue and zipped out of the sky in almost at about a 60 degree angle. We saw a few objects only seconds later that were obviously planes. We waited a while to see if it came back but it never did. -I would like you to post my report so that others can compare it to theirs.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Sighting Dundee, Scotland From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:05:13 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:21:42 -0400 Subject: Sighting Dundee, Scotland Subject: INCOMING FORM Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 01:05:37 -0700 From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.freeserve.co.uk To: dledger@cableinet.co.uk Name : XXXXXXXXXX date: 27th and 28th January 1999 location: Dundee time: 18:20hrs GMT (27th) and 08:40hrs GMT (28th) AM: on PM: on My_Sighting_Submission: Dear Sirs, I have been asked to forward this UFO sighting report to you by someone who knows of my interest in the subject, but who wishes, at present, to remain anonymous. I have typed up this report from hand-written notes that the person has given to me. The reason he wishes anonymity stems mostly from the fact that when it was reported locally,(to a local newspaper and our local observatory) it was dismissed as a "star or maybe Venus" that was seen, and this has caused some concern that only more ridicule will result from further reporting of the sighting. The person in question is an A.D.I.approved driving instructor,and the incident has had a great effect on him. From listening to his verbal account of this sighting it is apparent that he would like to pass on this information to someone who will take it seriously. With this in mind, I believe that should someone wish to investigate this further, I think he would be more than willing to discuss it more fully provided that any contact was made via myself in the first instance. He does not even want his family to know he has made this report as they are so fearful of ridicule. To perhaps assist with the 'geography' of the place names given in the report, a few distances/directions might help. The Fairmuir Park mentioned is about 2 miles north of the Tay and the Thomson Street mentioned later is about half a mile north of the Tay. Dundee's small airport's traffic consists mostly of small private aircraft which are very familiar to locals. Also, a few miles away in Fife, is the R.A.F. base at Leuchars, so that military aircraft are also a common sight crossing Dundee. This fact makes the observers reaction to being unable to identify what he saw all the more strange. Best regards, Mr XXXXXXXXXX E-Mail:- XXXXXXXXXXXX.freeserve.co.uk --------------- (report follows)----------------------- The Report "Dear Sirs, On Wednesday evening, 27th January 1999,during a driving lesson with a 17 year old pupil, at approx. 6:20pm, I saw a black diamond shaped UFO flying through the sky. It had no flashing lights which you would see on any normal aircraft. The driving lesson continued when approx. 20 - 25 minutes later we stopped to do a Reverse Exercise at a local park known as Fairmuir Park. I looked up in the sky to see if I could still see the UFO I had seen earlier on. It was hovering high in the sky glowing like a star. I recognised it as the UFO I had seen earlier because of the shape. I got out of my car to look at it and after about 1 minute it rotated anti-clockwise and directly underneath there was an orange coloured beam which came down from the UFO and went back up again. At this point I shouted to my pupil to come out of the car. I could not see any lights nor could I here any sound. We were both standing in the park trying to find out what we were looking at. We had never seen anything like it. About 2 - 3 minutes later it started moving off. We jumped into the car and followed it for approx.10 minutes. It was glowing a brilliant white/very light yellowish colour. It was almost round in shape but a little oval in the centre now. We could not believe what we were looking at, it was definitely not from this world it was extra-terrestrial. We watched it travelling through the sky getting smaller and smaller as it got further away. At this time it was bright white just like a star. I watched it till it disappeared over the River Tay and into the hills of Fife. The time was now approx 7pm. I found out on the Friday (29th January), that without knowledge of my sighting, that on the next day, Thursday 28th January, at approx. 8:40am, a relative of mine with her 2 daughters were travelling down Thomson Street, which overlooks the River Tay and one of her children said there was a shooting star over the Tay. It was hovering over the water with two yellow beams coming from underneath. Then it started to rise vertically into the sky. They lost sight of it because of a building obstructing their view. They described it as shining like a star, very bright white/ yellowish colour. After they could see the Tay again the object had completely vanished. They had obviously seen the same UFO as me.The two girls (13 yrs. and 9 yrs.) & their mother all saw this as well as me and my pupil the night before." --------(report end)----------------------------------- P.S. There are, unfortunately, no photographs of this sighting, but there are some rough drawings available. I reported this sighting to a UFO magazine several weeks ago, but they have not acknowledged it to date. This has made the person even more anxious that nobody is taking it seriously. With this in mind, I hope that even if no follow up is required with this incident,you will be able to at least e-mail me with some sort of 'note' that I can pass on to the person concerned. I'm sure that even this would go some way to easing his anxiety. Many thanks, and I look forward to hearing from you. Subject: Drawings to go with Web Report Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 07:05:31 +0100 From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.freeserve.co.uk> To: <dledger@cableinet.co.uk> Ref. The Dundee sighting of 27th/28th January. As I mentioned in the report I have just submitted to you, I have scanned the rough sketches which were given to me, and they are hereby attached. I hope they are of some help. -- ================================================================== If you see someone without a smile......give them one of yours :) ****************************************************************** Posted by: Dave Ledger (mailto:UFOSCOT@cableinet.co.uk) VISIT "UFO SCOTLAND" AT: <A HREF="http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/dledger/index.htm">UFO Scotland.</A> ICQ pager http://wwp.mirabilis.com/4851425 ****************************************************************** THE TRUTH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER!..................BUT HOW FAR? ================================================================== "The sands of time are trickling away from our dear mother Earth and yet we continue to fight amongst ourselves and destroy our natural enviroment,leaving all the mess for our children and their children's children to inherit when we're gone."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:27:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:31:31 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars [Non-Subscriber Post] Stephens is a lying SOB! He never interviewed me, he admitted to me by e-mail he is not an employee of NASA and he freely admitted to Earth Changes TV that the image I found is the original. The USGS has also confirmed this information. Stephens is a twisted mis-information specialist and should be ignored by all. It's people like him that make life difficult for those of us interested in persuing anomalous events and structures with valid question and wonder... http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/index.htm#second0506 -- Kind Regards, Terry James aka...kksamurai *** The TRUTH shall survive all time and trial! *** http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html It's a NEW FACE on MARS! http://disc.server.com/Indices/46226.html Venus-Its mystery Unfolds! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36204.html Moon-lite talk! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36207.html Europa...It Lives! http://disc.server.com/Indices/8728.html The Red Planet Roundtable! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/mars.html Mars...A Serious Adventure! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/moon/index.html Moon...Serious Too!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:13:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:40:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:22:09 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Jerry Black's Open Letter to Friedman >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Mr. Black can attack everyone involved in the case as much as >>he wants, but _until_ all of the above points have been >>addressed to my satisfaction, why should I change my mind? If >>Bruce's analysis is flawed, I believe he will be receptive to >>the proof - I know I am. If Jeff Sanio's analysis is flawed, he >>should also be receptive to the proof. And if Hyzer's analysis >>is flawed, there should be some sign that Mr. Black is >>receptive to the notion. >Hyzer's analysis was discussed thoroughly soon after it was >published. I probably didn't phrase that well, since I did know that was the case. I intended to convey, "Since portions of the above make it clear the Hyzer analysis is flawed, there should be some sign that Mr. Black is receptive to the notion." ------ Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and UFO research - UFO cases, analysis, classification systems, and more... http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/index.htm ------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 Oz: UFO Linked To Rocket From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 03:31:52 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:43:55 -0400 Subject: Oz: UFO Linked To Rocket Source: Sydney Morning Herald, http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9905/03/text/national5.html First published: 3 May 1999. Stig *** UFO link to rocket Date: 03/05/99 ** The mystery surrounding bright lights seen over eastern Australia last week has deepened with the US military confirming two fragments of a rocket, launched five years ago, plunged back to Earth at the time of the sightings. However, in a rare departure from military secrecy, the US Space Command in Colorado Springs, Colorado, said spy satellites failed to spot the reported fireballs. A Space Command spokesman, Army Major Mike Birmingham, said both objects, parts of a Pegasus rocket, were only six centimetres square - too small to trigger the fireworks. Dozens of people around NSW reported seeing lights in the sky about 8pm last Monday. Major Birmingham confirmed that about that time, two fragments of the Pegasus rocket slammed into the atmosphere over eastern Australia, following a path matching the reported sighting. The rocket placed a US Air Force satellite into orbit on May 19, 1994. - RICHARD MACEY This material is subject to copyright and any unauthorised use, copying or mirroring is prohibited.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 UFO Waves Post-1994? From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:36:09 -0300 Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:46:47 -0400 Subject: UFO Waves Post-1994? Hello, I'm doing a special work to my University about the UFOs. My interest is in UFO Waves. I have information from 19th century to 1994. I would like to know if you can help me with this work, sending to me some information about the waves after 1994. Thanks a lot, THIAGO LUIZ TICCHETTI Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas (= DEPTE - EBE-ET / Brasilia-Brasil) Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation ICQ - 35119615 ****************** STOP THE WAR ***********************
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 5 UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:04:15 GMT Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:52:43 -0400 Subject: UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? Source: Bert's Cyber Trading Post, http://www.theyknow.com/contributions/jon/index.html Stig *** UFO "Downing" in Kentucky? 05/05/1999 ** Are we on the verge of another Roswell? I've just received word from Bert's Cyber Trading Post contributor John Smith, not his real name, about a possible downing/crash of a UFO in Kentucky. If anyone has any questions of comments about this story please eMail Bert. If anyone has any questions for John Smith, send them to me and I'll be sure to forward them to John Smith. If this is true then we may be on the verge of an awesome event. When I receive the below mentioned documents from John Smith I will publish them. Bert, Sorry I haven't gotten back to you as promised. Things have been "interesting" here in my neck of the woods to say the least. Remember, when I emailed you about my black helicopter sightings? I checked local records and spoke with authorities that confirmed multiple reports of a UFO sighting last week. This also coincides with the military being near my home as well. Two days ago I ran into a convoy of trucks on a small back road I frequently travel. They were camouflaged with no markings. When I questioned some of the vehicles' occupants, they demanded that I turn around and leave. Today I cornered the land owner, (where all of this activity is occurring), he was pretty tight lipped only saying that there is some kind of recovery operation going on, the story being sent out is something about a downed satellite or something. It only ran in a few papers and hasn't gotten any press. I'm now getting harassing phone calls and emails from unknown sources. Also someone has been sending me JPEGS of newspaper clippings from the sixties, which usually have some UFO related theme or something that is unexplainable. I'll forward you a couple for your amusement. It's now 12:45am here, and I'm leaving to do some research in the area, maybe snap of few pics and find my phantom helicopters. I'll let ya know what's up. In closing, multiple reports of strange lights and black helicopters, military activities, and tight lipped neighbors....All in a days work I guess. What do you think is going on? Those documents are coming as promised. Feel free to publish anything I send you on your site with or without my name, at this point it's probably best that my name be out there. You decide. Talk to ya later, man. John All material =A9 Bert's Cyber Trading Post, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:40:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:24 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Hooray for Tesla contributing to today's technology (e.g., each >time you see a transformer of a telephone pole think "Tesla"). >Unfortunately a lot of... "dreamers"... have gone far beyond >what is known (phenomenous) into the numenous (beyond the pale) >when it comes to Tesla. Ah Yes...but you forgot to mention that Tesla was the original inventer of the "Radio". That Edison conspired with Marconi to steal Tesla's designs. Also that the courts turned the Patent back to Tesla in the 1940's. Yet, despite this, we still hear that Marconi 'invented' the radio. Basically, Tesla has been shut out of the modern scientific community. Why? He demonstrated the death ray to Mussolini by having him fly a plane over and then have the pilot bail out. Tesla then shot the plane down with his death ray... the forerunner of today's laser beam... He took it to the Navy first, but they didn't want it... Why? He invented the first "remote controlled robot." Yet we never hear about this...Why? He proved that Einstein's theory of Relativity or E=MC2 was not correct. That he could transmit electricity through the ground and light lamps several miles away, without wires. That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? Talk about science failing to acknowledge a true genius! They have failed miserably... they took their lead from Thomas Edison... the genius who chose direct current as the way to light London, over AC current, which we now know was superior for lighting the world.. Yet DC is still important in automobiles, and all electronic components. Yet, Edison probably did not foresee these conditions in his day, but Tesla most definitely did. Why? So, please don't talk to me about "dreamers" going "beyond the pale," when in fact science itself has failed to acknowledge this man and his contribution to modern science. In fact, if I understand it correctly, they are still deciphering his material at the various military and scientific labs around the world in order to apply his techniques to modern micro-electronics today. Why? Just the telephone poles and transformers huh? Yeah, right... Thanks Bruce. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:23:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:50:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >Subject: Captain E.J. Smith >To: updates@globalserve.net >In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >significance to this, it was just something I noticed. Amusing. I suppose we could say that both have had the effect of partially negating human hubris: Titanic Smith for demonstrating the effect of excessive pride/arrogance in human accomplishment and United Airlines Smith in demonstrating that humans may not be the center of the universe after all.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:48:13 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:05:40 -0400 Subject: Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? The Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! - So What? 7.08 a.m. ET (1108 GMT) May 5, 1999 By Dr. Jean-Marc Perelmuter Imagine this: The Pope, Giordano Bruno, and Freud are sitting around watching television. As the news comes on, they learn that planets have been detected outside of our solar system. What would they say? Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake precisely for predicting these discoveries, and more. In his writings, he claims the luminous pinheads in the night-sky are in fact suns like ours, that planets circle these faraway suns and that intelligent beings inhabit them. This was in 1600 AD. Had he made his claims four hundred years later, Bruno wouldn't be orbiting the Earth in a thin cirrus of ash. Not because his ideas have become popular, but because religion has had to adapt to the evidences of science. A literal reading of the Bible, for example, would place the Earth at the center of the universe with the sun going around it. Astronomical observations have shown that it is our planet that is orbiting the sun, which itself is one of over 200 billion stars in a galaxy among millions. The Vatican has bent to the facts and acknowledged the Earth is indeed orbiting the sun: since October 31, 1992, we are no longer the center of the universe =97 at least not gravitationally. With the detection of extrasolar planets, however, the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life is growing more real and religious dogma are once again challenged. The maxims that man is made in the image of God and that man has dominion over all creatures that inhabit the world seem questioned by the possibility of radically different life. As Giordano Bruno once asked, should God be multiplied on all planets, or forsaken on ours? On the other hand, if intelligent life was proved to exist only on Earth, one couldn't help but wonder whether humanity is indeed special. It's all a matter of probability, and being special shouldn't depend on the rolling of dice. After all, one could ask the same thing of lottery winners. NASA Perhaps the more palpable implications of extrasolar life are sociological and cultural rather than spiritual. This may explain the success of a TV series such as Star Trek. Racism, ethnocentrism, gender bias, miracles =97 they are all translated into outer space, in the future, and most especially in relation to extraterrestrial beings. Science is enshrined in a species called Vulcan whose members feel no emotion and base their actions on logic alone. Violence and instinct are symbolized by the Klingons, a species of warriors. While the original series did not enshrine the spiritual in an alien species, newer versions of Star Trek do. In Star Trek Voyager, one of the characters meditates into a dream state where he experiences visions. In Deep Space Nine, an extraterrestrial religion is worshipped. The message is clear: humanity must lose its special status as a superior creation but in return gains a level of cultural maturity anthropologists could only dream of. Another show, the X-Files, taps into the underlying social theme of faith versus reason. What matters here isn't resolution as much as conflict. And it centers around the debate on whether intelligent extraterrestrials exist and visit us. "And that's the other sing," shouts Freud from his armchair. "Vhy should zey be intelligent?" The Pope and Giordano Bruno stop bickering and stare at the psychotherapist as if he were from another planet. "That's right," Freud goes on. "And you make zem zo powerful! ever vonder vhy?" "Why?" ask the other two. "It's all in your minds," he replies. "Sink about it. Who is all-powerful?" "God?" says the Pope. "Nein." "Scientists?" ventures Bruno. "Of course, nein. Your parents! Ze search for intelligent extraterrestrials is in reality ze search for an authority figure." Giordano Bruno is on the verge of tears. "So that's why we search for extrasolar planets and life?" "Nein, nein," says Freud, "that's vhy you search for intelligent extraterrestrials. The search for extrasolar planets and plain alien life is a different matter. Fear." "Of God?" asks the Pope. "Of being alone," says Freud. "Existentialism. Ze fear of being ze captain of your own ship =97 Didn't you read Sartre?" comments@foxnews.com =A9 1999, News America Digital Publishing, Inc. d/b/a Fox News Online. All rights reserved. Fox News is a
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 UFO Desk Radio Show From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 01:30:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:08:01 -0400 Subject: UFO Desk Radio Show All, This is to inform you that you may listen to UFO Desk via the internet at this URL. Http://www.nfo.nu the broadcast will be Sunday evenings at ten thirty PM NY time. I hope you will listen and share this with all interested parties. UFO Desk runs half an hour in length, and has no commercials. So please check us out. Best, Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk WBAI NY 99.5 http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People! ICQ#32519151
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Web Site Updated From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:33:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:11:43 -0400 Subject: Web Site Updated Hi All, Just to tell you that more images have been put on the Gallery page amongst others on my web-site: http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale.index.html Regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 05:19:13 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:42:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:18 -0400 >Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:38:51 -0400 >Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On >>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line >>Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:53:28 -0700 >>The 1999 revised version of Robert Sheaffer's unpublished "An >>Investigation of the McMinnville UFO Photographs" at: >>http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/trent.html >>together with Phil Klass's 1995 "What Bruce Maccabee DOESN'T >>Tell You About His Investigation of the Famous McMinnville/Trent >>UFO-Photo Case" at: >>http://hugin.imat.com/~sheaffer/texts/BSMtrentPJK.html >>will, I trust, put this "Trent" business to bed once and for all. >Dear Keith: >Time to get out of bed and become informed. Sheaffer's _1969_ >paper (recently "revised" and put on the web) was thoroughly >discussed.... some might say "dismissed" .... by my work in 1976 >and again in 1982. Sheaffer's arguments have been shown to be >wrong. >As for Mr. Klass...... after all these years the strongest >argument he has against the Trent case seems to be that a lady >of "not exceptional" (!!!) intelligence could make mistakes in >recalling events when she was questioned 24 or more years after >they occurred. >Incidently, the Trent's have died recently: Evelyn in 1997 and >Paul in 1998. They were interviewed in 1995 and presented the >same story they told in 1950. >When the sighting occurred these people were poor but >industrious farmers. During the years of interviews and numerous >publications of their pictures they were still poor but >industrious farmers (raising several children). When they died >they were (retired ) poor farmers. >It was very interesting to me to see that, even though there >were literally world famous because of their pictures, certainly >the most famous people in the McMinnville area, the obituaries >said exactly nothing (!) about their UFO sighting. >It was certainly my impression, and I gather that also of >numerous others who interviewed the Trents (or were teir >neighbors) that the UFO sigting was not of great importance to >them and, that the resulting publicity, etc. was a considerable >annoyance. Hi Bruce, Excellent points, well said. The skeptics' position on the Trents' post-sighting behavior is conveniently one of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the Trents had recognized the historic importance of their sighting and photos they would have sought publicity according to skeptics -- and then would have been condemned by skeptics as publicity-seeking, money-hungry hoaxers. If the Trents (as was actually the case) did not consider their experience very important to their lives and avoided publicity (they didn't think it was an ET spaceship but a secret military vehicle), then skeptics would condemn them as hoaxers having something to hide. Pray tell, you skeptics out there, what _should_ the Trents have _done_ to avoid being branded as publicity-seeking hoaxers, on the one hand, or as publicity-avoiding hoaxers with something to hide, on the other hand? Seems to me they did the right thing as best they could, which was to answer whatever questions they were asked and make the photos available for legitimate study whenever requested, first by their hometown newspaper, then other journalists, the INS wire service, government investigators, Condon Committee, and many others over the years. I am informed that the Trents in recent years were given the opportunity to receive automatic royalties on every photo reprint ever made of their UFO photos through a major photo archival service which has copies of their photos. The Trents did not have to lift a finger for this to occur, and the arrangement would have been completely private, no one had to know publicly. All they had to do was just say "yes." But they never did, despite their strained financial condition. They didn't want a penny from the UFO photos and in the nearly 50 years since taking the pictures in 1950 they never asked for a penny and never received a penny for them. I would only add the following remarks to your exhaustive scientific laboratory refutations of Sheaffer's mistaken arguments which are available in your 1976 and 1988 CUFOS papers. What troubles me is Sheaffer's wholesale misrepresentation of the weather at the time of the sighting on May 11, 1950, based on selective distortion and gross error. The weather is important because he uses it to attack the credibility of the Trents and in other writings he and other skeptics attack your findings about the sunlit cumulus cloud that evidently lit up the Trent's garage from the east. Sheaffer has tried to argue that it was the morning sun that lit up the garage from the east so therefore the Trents lied about the time of the sighting when they said it was in the evening near sunset at around 7:30 PM. Sheaffer and Klass both brazenly assert, contrary to the weather reports in their own files, that there were "PERFECTLY CLEAR SKIES" in the evening of the sighting, so the Trents were lying about the time of day. Klass claims the photos show an "overcast or hazy sky." (Klass 1974 pp. 148-9; 1976 pp. 175-6.) Whereas Sheaffer claims the Trents themselves insisted that it was overcast. But Sheaffer and Klass didn't bother to find out the meaning of standard weather observation symbols in the official US Weather Bureau reports, which you took the time to find out about. In one place there is a three-phase reporting symbol for cloud cover in which "O" means 0-10% and does NOT mean ZERO cloud cover or "PERFECTLY CLEAR SKIES" as Sheaffer and Klass both falsely claim, but up to 10% cloud cover. ("I" means 10-60% and "II" means 60-100%.) Sheaffer in effect calls the Trents (and you) liars based on this incredibly dumb mistake of his own in misreading weather reporting symbols. He claims that while the skies were purportedly completely clear that "the witnesses contend[ed]" it was overcast at 5,000 feet. In fact it was a REPORTER for the Portland Oregonian for June 10, 1950, who made the undocumented and unattributed claim that, quote, "The day was dull with an overcast at about 5000 feet." Sheaffer insinuates there were no clouds with his additional claim that "At no time is there any [cloud] ceiling recorded between 9:00 AM May 10 and 10:00 AM May 12" from the McMinnville Airport weather station. Notice how he carefully calculates to mislead by omitting the weather observations BEFORE 9 AM on May 10 and AFTER 10 AM on May 12 -- the omitted times had reported 60-100% cloud cover. One would think from reading both Sheaffer and Klass it was "PERFECTLY CLEAR SKIES" the entire 3-day period surrounding the Trents' sighting. But in fact, there was cloud cover from 2,500 to 30,000 feet throughout most of the days of May 10, 11 and 12, according to the official weather report. And the Portland Oregon Journal for May 10 published the following weather forecasts for May 10 and 11: "Portland Area--...MOSTLY CLOUDY Thursday [May 11].... Oregon--West: MOSTLY CLOUDY [May 10].... OCCASIONAL SPRINKLES. Thursday [May 11] PARTLY CLOUDY." Sheaffer and Klass deliberately ignore the Salem Airport weather report which is almost as close as McMinnville's (17 miles SE instead of 12 miles NE of Trent farm), and which has more complete documentation. And they have copies of the Salem report. Salem explicitly records cumulus clouds (altocumulus) at 7:28 PM on May 11, the EXACT TIME of the Trent sighting plus or minus several minutes, thus accounting for the cumulus cloud(s) to the EAST of the Trents reflecting sunlight from the setting sun onto the Trent's Garage. Your measurements had already proven that the light source on the garage was roughly 4 to 15 times the angular size of the sun (horizontally and vertically) and obviously could not have been the sun, but a much larger cumulus cloud. As for Sheaffer's assertion that clouds at sunset would be reddish colored and that supposedly this was not in evidence in the Trent case, reddish coloration depends on the height of the clouds and atmospheric conditions. But in my upcoming Trent Case Update I've been planning to point out that the Trents' long puzzling report of "bronze" coloration of the UFO is in fact due to the expected reddish coloration at sunset. As for Klass' 1995 article on Sheaffer's site, Klass relies heavily on a brief photo caption to the pictures in Life magazine saying no neighbors saw the object, when such brief captions are notoriously unreliable and the claim of no other witnesses is not repeated in the body of the article or in any other article I have available. None of the stories say that the Trents were ever asked about additional witnesses, but one mentions Mrs. Trent unsuccessfully tried to phone her mother-in-law down the street during the actual sighting (Portland Oregonian, June 10, 1950). Mrs. Trent told you on Oct 25, 1976, that her mother-in-law (Alice Bowers Trent) may have seen the UFO but that she (Mrs. Trent) didn't tell reporters because the mother-in-law was ill with CANCER at the time and she didn't want her to be bothered by reporters -- Klass omits to mention this understandable reason which he knows about since he has it in your interview notes, your July 4, 1982, letter to him, and in your 1988 CUFOS paper. Paul Trent told McDonald in 1969 and both Trents told you in the early 70's that Paul's father, John Highland Trent, did see the UFO, too. But they told you they did not tell reporters because they wanted to spare them the stress of dealing with reporters when his mother was battling cancer. Regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 04:30:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:51:21 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: UFO 'Downing' in Kentucky? >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 02:04:15 GMT >Source: Bert's Cyber Trading Post, >http://www.theyknow.com/contributions/jon/index.html >Stig >*** >UFO "Downing" in Kentucky? > >05/05/1999 >** <snip> OK. Folks... I would appreciate any information I can get about this. I have already sent email to "Bert" to request his help in contacting "John Smith." Anyone else who can help me, please do so. A crash here in my State? What town is it near? Eastern Kentucky? Central? Western? Northern? Southern? I could sure use some help here. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:31:40 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:54:49 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? >From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: UFO Waves Post-1994? >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:36:09 -0300 >Hello, >I'm doing a special work to my University about the UFOs. My >interest is in UFO Waves. I have information from 19th >century to 1994. I would like to know if you can help me with >this work, sending to me some information about the waves after >1994. Although there have been flaps of activity in the UK there have been no significant events that qualify as a wave since March l993. Unless I missed something. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Nathan Ranger <netrangr@ufo.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:59:48 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:58:54 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:27:35 -0400 >From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >To: UFO Updates Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >[Non-Subscriber Post] >Stephens is a lying SOB! He never interviewed me, he admitted to >me by e-mail he is not an employee of NASA and he freely >admitted to Earth Changes TV that the image I found is the >original. The USGS has also confirmed this information. Stephens >is a twisted mis-information specialist and should be ignored by >all. It's people like him that make life difficult for those of >us interested in persuing anomalous events and structures with >valid question and wonder... I have looked at the evidence and the original images. Based on that *ONLY* there are definately some anomalous formations there. It takes a bit of imagination to see the face on the un-enhanced image, however, it is there. What interested me most, though, was the straight edge-like structure oposite the "face" and the upper right 90 degree angle. Those parts look very anomalous. Faces and other things can be seen by humans in all kinds of things. Clouds, wind blown sand dunes, rock formations, etc, etc. However, those straight-line/90 degree markings look very unnatural to me. Though my areas of anomaly research expertise don't often deal with geological structures, I think its pretty plain here. It saddens me to see all the accusations of lieing, falsifying and hacking going on here. Why is it that people try to gain something by that sort of motive? In the end it only weakens our science. Profit is all too often the motive. I don't know who lied or why or if they did, however, if there is falsifying going on here, from all anomaly researchers: "Shame on you!" We want to research the truth. I would warn the viewers that adding color, gamma changes, closeup views, etc can change the look of anything. When researching images, one must not base his or her conclusions on "enhanced" versions. Enhancement is a tool to bring hidden details, however, the original image must stand on its own to be considered an anomaly. I think this one does, if not for the face then for the straight-line/90 degree structure just opposite of it. Happy Clicks! -Nathan Ranger mailto:netrangr@ufo.net Organization: UFO.Net Research & Development http://www.ufo.net - Home of the UFO.Net Weekly Link
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend From: prophets@maui.net Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:08:31 -1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend The Prophets Conference brings together extraordinary visiting faculties, presenting their teachings in exceptional locations, the most recent being The Prophets Conference ~ Caribbean in Mayaland. The Prophets Conference continues to press for nothing less than "a Reenvisioning and a Reconfiguration of Reality"--the theme and the vision of THE PROPHETS CONFERENCE ~ PORT TOWNSEND, August 27-29, 1999. The exceptional presenters confirmed so far for the August, Port Townsend gathering, include Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Gregg Braden, Joe Firmage, Dr. Robert Anton Wilson, James Twyman, and Ilona Selke. Others being invited include Barbara Marx Hubbard, Dr. Jacques Vallee, Elder Hunbatz Men, Joan Ocean, and Carla Emery. The panels and individual presenter workshops will cast light on the UFO, with its secrecy and stories, and they will also explore numinous, yet practical, paths through this time of great change, danger, healing, revelation, evolution, and awakening. Port Townsend, Washington is an idyllic setting for this powerful exploration. This beautiful and picturesque place on Puget Sound, between Seattle and Vancouver, is a perfect location for the conference, for a powerful pilgrimage, and for an especially enjoyable vacation. Lodging and camping at the Fort Worden State Park Conference Site are inexpensive yet quite nice, and the surrounding scenery is breathtaking A conference brochure will be available very soon, and if you would like to receive one, email your name and postal address to: prophets@greatmystery.org. The Prophets Conference ~ Port Townsend web page will soon be posted to www.greatmystery.org. If you are not already on the e-mailing list and would like to receive information you may subscribe to: robin@greatmystery.org. You may also request a brochure by calling toll-free at 1-888-777-5981. Be sure to clearly, and slowly spell your name and mailing address. We are all prophets coming together for a wonderful and highly significant meeting. -Cody _________________________________________________ Passing along this information to your lists is appreciated Questions, unsubscribe, subscribe, inquiries, comments, issues? Send mail to Cody@greatmystery.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:40:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Ah Yes...but you forgot to mention that Tesla was the original >inventer of the "Radio". That Edison conspired with Marconi to >steal Tesla's designs. Also that the courts turned the Patent >back to Tesla in the 1940's. >Yet, despite this, we still hear that Marconi 'invented' the >radio. >Basically, Tesla has been shut out of the modern scientific >community. Why? >He demonstrated the death ray to Mussolini by having him fly a >plane over and then have the pilot bail out. Tesla then shot the >plane down with his death ray... the forerunner of today's laser >beam... He took it to the Navy first, but they didn't want it... >Why? >He invented the first "remote controlled robot." Yet we never >hear about this...Why? >He proved that Einstein's theory of Relativity or E=MC2 was not >correct. That he could transmit electricity through the ground >and light lamps several miles away, without wires. >That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? >Talk about science failing to acknowledge a true genius! They >have failed miserably... they took their lead from Thomas >Edison... the genius who chose direct current as the way to >light London, over AC current, which we now know was superior >for lighting the world.. Yet DC is still important in >automobiles, and all electronic components. Yet, Edison probably >did not foresee these conditions in his day, but Tesla most >definitely did. Why? >So, please don't talk to me about "dreamers" going "beyond the >pale," when in fact science itself has failed to acknowledge >this man and his contribution to modern science. >In fact, if I understand it correctly, they are still >deciphering his material at the various military and scientific >labs around the world in order to apply his techniques to modern >micro-electronics today. >Why? >Just the telephone poles and transformers huh? >Yeah, right... >Thanks Bruce. I want to throw my hat in the ring for Mike and for Tesla. Tesla is one of the most understated scientific geniuses of the twentieth century. His ideas on ground conducted current were revolutionary. It's what the Edison company did not want to see happen. How can usage of electricity be measured when it can be tapped anywhere from the earth. Yes Mike, it is supposed that many of Tesla's workbooks are still being deciphered although if someone on this List has more information, please share and enlighten. As for working for the Nazi's in WWII, I am not sure of, but I do recall the experiments that he performed for Mussolini were memorable and were probably noticed by the Nazi regime. I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; 'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if Tesla had his way. Free power.'.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:22:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:49:52 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:59:48 -0400 >From: Nathan Ranger <netrangr@ufo.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >What interested me >most, though, was the straight edge-like structure oposite the >"face" and the upper right 90 degree angle. Those parts look >very anomalous. >However, those straight-line/90 degree markings look very >unnatural to me. Though my areas of anomaly research expertise >don't often deal with geological structures, I think its pretty >plain here. Actually, straight line and even right angles are not uncommon in geology. Both are usually the result of faulting. In some cases, lava has entered a set of cracks resulting from faulting, and when erosion wears the matrix away, only the harder lava is left behind, forming mysterious "walls" and other unusual features. As I have pointed out many times, including in my article in UFO Magazine on "The Face" Martian geology is somewhat unusual, and one cannot judge the "probability" or the "artificiality" of features on the basis of intuition or even superficial knowledge of terrestrial geology. The extensive presence of permafrost, the absence of vegetation, the unusual volcanism, the differing level of gravity, the ages within which wind has been able to work on the terrain - all create highly unusual features by terrestrial standards. ------ Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and UFO research - UFO cases, analysis, classification systems, and more... http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/index.htm ------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:54:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon' >>>Total. >>>Not partial. >>>Total. >>>Wacko. >>Dear Bruce, >>That's exactly my opinion on Ed Walters too. >You are, of course, entitled to your opinion....uninformed >though it may be. Bruce, I have a confession - I made that up about Walters. I have no axe to grind with him. My point here is that it's easy to dismiss someone off-the-cuff as a "whacko" just because their belief or experience base is different that what "conventional wisdom" holds. The rest of this message is not aimed at you Bruce, but a few thoughts on other items, such as govt "truthfulness" revisonistic tendencies of our wonderful media, etc. A small business was forced out of business by the FDA not long ago. His "crime" ? He sold stevia, a natural sweetener that has long been used in Japan in soft drinks. The FDA burst into his home like jack-booted gestapo thugs and destroyed his entire inventory. They refuse to even consider stevia but give their whole-hearted approval to aspartame, an artificial sweetener that turns to a derivative form of wood-alcohol in the brain, ie, "pickles the brain". Numerous studies have shown that aspartame is really bad stuff. As far as revisonism goes, it's practiced every day actively in the news. Clinton declares war, bypasses the Congress and we're told "we have to have peace so we're gonna bomb the Serbs". Never mind that he didn't "feel the pain" of 500, 000 Rwandans who were massacred. It just didn't fit the CFR plans at the moment. Rwanda doesn't have a mine worth trillions of dollars like the one in the FRY. Never mind that NATO violated their own charter. "Might makes right" is the theme for the NWO. We're told that, a "fuel tank problem" happenned to Flight 800. Never mind that there are witnesses that saw a missile hit that plane. Never mind that a person who undertook an independent investigation with pilfered evidence got in hot water for finding out something different. Never mind that the FBI absolutely refuses to discuss any other data that suggests that the cow-pie story they're feeding us is not true. We're told that the Chinese spies were "just recently" found out at Los Alamos..yet that activity has been going on for over a year..and the Clinton admin turned a deaf ear and didn't want to know about it, even when a whistleblower tried and tried and tried to get the administration to do something. We're told that two "militia" dissidents used a truck full of fertilizer to bring down the Murrah building in OKC. Never mind the FBI doesn't pursue the third "john doe" suspect, or that ammonium nitrate _cannot_ do the kind of damage that the Murrah building sustained, which had all the signatures of C-4 on the columns. Never mind that Hoppy Heidlberg was dismissed from the grand jury because he wanted to do independent investigation but the judge wouldn't allow it, since it would call into serious question the FBI "party line". The Govt was sure in a hurry to bulldoze the building even though there was still independent investigation going on of the rubble, just like at Waco. I could go on and on and on, but you get the idea here. Anyone who says that the government isn't capable of altering or revising history is either blind, gullible or just doesn't want to face up to the cold hard facts. It's done every single day. The CFR controls whole newspaper chains and media outlets. The CIA regularly spins lies and disinformation about UFO's, it's own drug-running escapades, it's de-stabilization of foreign govts abroad. The Pentagon lies about anthrax vaccines being "certifiably safe from the FDA"..yet squalene has been found in the vaccines. Meanwhile, chemtrails (not _con_trails_) are all over the US. I see them regularly. Is the govt spraying chemicals on its own citizens? Would it do that??! As part of Project Paperclip, several thousand Nazi's were brought over to the US and to Canada to work on "secret projects". Some went to the then-formed CIA, others went to Los Alamos and White Sands. Is it REALLY that much of a stretch to postulate that the German's were working on Tesla technology and that the Roswell "alien crash" was a clumsy cover for when the citizens of NM began to see these saucers? The Smithsonian has _already_ revised Tesla out of history, down to a bare footnote. Our "modern textbooks" will tell you that Marconi invented radio, but it was Tesla who did it first. The USAF has already "revised" Roswell's "history" more times than I can remember. I'll bet that if I had my school text books from 25 years ago and compare them with the textbooks from today in what is being taught in High schools and colleges I could find numerous examples of "bad science", errors and plenty of historical "revisionism". There are allegations that when Tesla died in the early 40's, a boxcar load of his papers were confiscated by the FBI and sent to Los Alamos. The more I do research on this, the more it appears to be so. There's plenty of conspiracies and certainly plenty of revisionism and cover-ups going on. Of course, the govt wouldn't lie to us about UFOs, drug-running, Income Tax, or Y2K..right? Don ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 OZ Sightings Alice Springs - "People Above From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:33:29 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:01:58 -0400 Subject: OZ Sightings Alice Springs - "People Above The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia E-Mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au http://www.fan.net.au/~tkbnetw **************************************************************** UFO Australian Research Network Hot Line Number 1800 77 22 88 Free Call **************************************************************** Centralain Advocated Tuesday April 27th 1999 UFOs Sighted by Donna Kelly Reports made by "people above question" Two separate sightings of UFOs over Alice Springs and Arltunga have been reported to police in the past week by people "above question". In the first an Eastside resident reported a "large flaming orange ball" In the sky on Monday last week. A police spokesman said the report of the "fireball" moving north was received about 9pm. The object was estimated to be the size of a small aircraft, with an altitude that varied from 80 meters to 400 meters. "During the nine_ minutes sighting the object was observed moving sporadically around the sky, which the witness believes would be inconsistent with a hot air balloon," the spokesman said. "The resident told police the object then moved north of the town at an "incomprehensible" speed and disappeared to the northwest. Police reported the sighting to aviation authorities. The second sighting came when an Alice Springs resident returned to a developing outlet after he found a blur in the background of a photo taken at Arltunga at about 2pm on Sunday, April 18th. It was found part of the negative, and when enlarged, showed a white metallic disc-like object in the sky. He reported the sighting of the object which had definite sides, to police last Thursday. Alice Springs UFO Researcher Keith Douglass said he received about two sightings every month, but was sure there were many more which went unreported. "Two calls a month is a lot for the size of the population here" he said. "But I think many people don't report sighting because they are worried about being ridiculed." Mr. Douglass said the most sightings were to the west of Alice Springs, but some occurred in the east. The two most recent sightings came from people "who were above Question" They want to remain anonymous because they are in positions which could suffer if their identities were known," he said. DH. If anyone wants to report a sighting in Alice Springs Call the :>) Alice Springs UFO Hotline Number 08 89533023 The Negative and photo is on its way in to be analyzed Thank you Keith Douglass for this report Regards Diane Harrison Australian Skywatch Director
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:21:23 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:09:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >I want to throw my hat in the ring for Mike and for Tesla. Tesla >is one of the most understated scientific geniuses of the >twentieth century. His ideas on ground conducted current were >revolutionary. It's what the Edison company did not want to see >happen. How can usage of electricity be measured when it can be >tapped anywhere from the earth. >Yes Mike, it is supposed that many of Tesla's workbooks are >still being deciphered although if someone on this List has >more information, please share and enlighten. As for working for >the Nazi's in WWII, I am not sure of, but I do recall the >experiments that he performed for Mussolini were memorable and >were probably noticed by the Nazi regime. >I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in >advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a >telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; >'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if >Tesla had his way. Free power.'. Right On Donnie. Thanks for your suport.<g> But I am used to being "out on a limb" by myself with the "Saw" in the hands of the person/people on the other end of the tree. <g> You are correct. If It were not for the shortsightedness of Edison, and the Greed of Westinghouse and Morgan, this could have been a different society today. With "free energy," there is a good chance that we would not have the many wars occurring around the globe today. People would have food, clothing, and electricity; the basic needs of each person in our world, and there conceivably would be no poverty. Yet, we live in a world where "idealists" and "dreamers," are "fools." Where "Political Correctness," and "Greed" have placed us on the sharpened edge of the executioners blade. The real fools are not you and I, but those who "think" they are in "control." Time is quickly infolding in upon itself...and these poor souls along with so many of the masses of humanity are going to be required to "pay the debts," of these "fools." Tesla forsaw this once he was cut off from his funds and his research. Yet, even as in Bibical times in Sodom and Gomorrah, No one would listen. There were and are not even ten good men in the whole of the world...(in the Bibical sense of the word)... So, man, prepare to pay the piper... No Donnie I am not a doom and gloom preacher...I just know that you can continue operating in a state of unballance for so long, until there is a repercussion. Nature has been abused by the power mongers and they have put wealth above all else and thus stripped the planet of the natural barriers which protect it and us from the Solar rays, which continue to bombard us on a daily basis, the result of which is increased skin cancer rates among other things. I don't have to be a Nostrodamus or Edgar Cayce to see where this is heading...Just plain old common sense and the law of compensation, or cause and effect shows me this. Take care, and thanks again for you comments in regards to Tesla. Don't feel that you must take my side on these other statments. <G> I wouldn't want to drag you into this. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? From: Ray Mathews <gtefive@gte.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:22:37 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:10:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? >From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:48:13 EDT >Subject: The Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! So What? >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >The Search for Planets: Eureka a Planet! - So What? >7.08 a.m. ET (1108 GMT) May 5, 1999 By Dr. Jean-Marc Perelmuter Jean Paul Satre? Uggh, that's some dry stuff there. It's all _much_ simpler than that. We're curious, we want to know. We've been looking ino the sky a long time without a prayer of extrasolar planet spotting. Should we say we've seen all we want now that better methods are available?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Tesla From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:28:17 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:13:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>In fact, if I understand it correctly, they are still >>deciphering his material at the various military and scientific >>labs around the world in order to apply his techniques to modern >>micro-electronics today. >>Why? >>Just the telephone poles and transformers huh? >>Yeah, right... <snip> >I want to throw my hat in the ring for Mike and for Tesla. Tesla >is one of the most understated scientific geniuses of the >twentieth century. His ideas on ground conducted current were >revolutionary. It's what the Edison company did not want to see >happen. How can usage of electricity be measured when it can be >tapped anywhere from the earth. >Yes Mike, it is supposed that many of Tesla's workbooks are >still being deciphered although if someone on this List has >more information, please share and enlighten. As for working for >the Nazi's in WWII, I am not sure of, but I do recall the >experiments that he performed for Mussolini were memorable and >were probably noticed by the Nazi regime. >I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in >advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a >telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; >'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if >Tesla had his way. Free power.'. This forgetting that investment capital dried right up when the money men (Morgan et al) saw the implication of the kinds of individual autonomy that power delivery of that type would encourage. Oh to just do away with the wires. I'd _pay_ for that. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 6 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:42:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:15:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Bruce, >I have a confession - I made that up about Walters. I have no >axe to grind with him. My point here is that it's easy to >dismiss someone off-the-cuff as a "whacko" just because their >belief or experience base is different that what "conventional >wisdom" holds. >The rest of this message is not aimed at you Bruce, but a few >thoughts on other items, such as govt "truthfulness" >revisonistic tendencies of our wonderful media, etc. <deleted for brevity> While I believe the views expressed are attempting to describe events that are far more complex than implied, the basic concepts are ones that should be considered. IMO, society has always tended to view itself and the world around it through a "filter" of its own making. The problem is that the truth will always fall somewhere between "The Government/Media is always lying" and "The Government/Media always tells the truth", and it then becomes our own beliefs that define where we believe the truth lies. Even the list you provided contains what I believe to be exaggerations of the facts, with a certain amount of rhetoric thrown in, but the general point that one can't blindly trust the Government or the Media is IMO true. I would add that from the perspective of many abductees, it's perhaps not just the Government and Media that one can't trust, but the "reality" we perceive around us as well.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:03:55 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:19:15 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:22:59 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:59:48 -0400 >>From: Nathan Ranger <netrangr@ufo.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>What interested me >>most, though, was the straight edge-like structure oposite the >>"face" and the upper right 90 degree angle. Those parts look >>very anomalous. >>However, those straight-line/90 degree markings look very >>unnatural to me. Though my areas of anomaly research expertise >>don't often deal with geological structures, I think its pretty >>plain here. >Actually, straight line and even right angles are not uncommon >in geology. Both are usually the result of faulting. In some >cases, lava has entered a set of cracks resulting from faulting, >and when erosion wears the matrix away, only the harder lava is >left behind, forming mysterious "walls" and other unusual >features. >As I have pointed out many times, including in my article in UFO >Magazine on "The Face" Martian geology is somewhat unusual, and >one cannot judge the "probability" or the "artificiality" of >features on the basis of intuition or even superficial knowledge >of terrestrial geology. The extensive presence of permafrost, >the absence of vegetation, the unusual volcanism, the differing >level of gravity, the ages within which wind has been able to >work on the terrain - all create highly unusual features by >terrestrial standards. Dear Mark and Nathan. As a child, I walked past the same large mud puddle on the way to school daily. As it dried, the surface broke into nearly perfect hexagons and pentagons, with deep cracks separating the "tiles" of silt! It looked so "artificial", that I had to stop and wonder about it. I'm sure there are numerous other examples of nature imitating artifice. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 99 17:33:17 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:46:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Patient and gentle listfolk, >As far as revisonism goes, it's practiced every day actively in >the news. Clinton declares war, bypasses the Congress and we're >told "we have to have peace so we're gonna bomb the Serbs". >Never mind that he didn't "feel the pain" of 500, 000 Rwandans >who were massacred. It just didn't fit the CFR plans at the >moment. Rwanda doesn't have a mine worth trillions of dollars >like the one in the FRY. Never mind that NATO violated their own >charter. "Might makes right" is the theme for the NWO. This is truly dumb, a textbook example of the sort of revisionism (not to mention loopy moral equivalence) practiced daily by those whose hatred for Clinton, and apparently the entire structure of American democracy, outweighs their outrage over mass murder in Kosovo. The argument, by now a very tired one, runs this way: because we didn't stop one evil, we have no right to stop any evil. I leave it to list members to judge the rationality of same. The rest of what our correspondent writes here would be easily refutable if this were a list dealing with politics and international issues, which it isn't. Thank God. I'm going to snip the rest of our correspondent's America- bashing and conspiracy-theorizing, more appropriate to a list that caters to the obsessions of the far right and the far left, ever more indistinguishable. Now let's get back to UFOs. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:32:36 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:59:08 -0400 >Subject: > >In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >significance to this, it was just something I noticed. Along the line of coincidences and a bit loser to home, Kevin, were the two J.B. Johnsons associated with the Roswell case: Maj. Jesse B. Johnson, one of the medical officers at Roswell, and of course our very own James Bond Johnson, who is still very much alive and kicking. :-) David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:18:16 -0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:20:13 -0400 Subject: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil A boy told that he is watching UFOs every days in a district of Manaus, Amazona's Capital, where he lives with her godmother and his children. According this boy, he had already saw Brazilian Air Force aircraft, from a military air base next to him, triyng to get close of the UFOs. He sad that when the aircraft was very close to the UFO, it switch off the lights and when the airplane had passed it turned on again. "We know that exist a route of this objects around here, by the way, I had spoke with a TV director and he got very excited", says the witness. The UFOs always show up at 06:50 Pm and 07:30 Pm, every day. THIAGO LUIZ TICCHETTI Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas (= DEPTE - EBE-ET / Brasilia-Brasil) Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation ICQ - 35119615
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Tesla From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:59:04 -0600 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:37:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:28:17 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >>From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >>>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Yes Mike, it is supposed that many of Tesla's workbooks are >>still being deciphered although if someone on this List has >>more information, please share and enlighten. As for working for >>the Nazi's in WWII, I am not sure of, but I do recall the >>experiments that he performed for Mussolini were memorable and >>were probably noticed by the Nazi regime. As was mentioned to me by the author, Bill Lyne in email, JP Morgan had "lent" a manservant to Tesla, who eventually found and passed on Tesla's "Dynamic Theory of Gravity" to the Nazi's. Apparently the "manservant" was also a spy for Morgan. Tesla was opposed to the Nazi's so I'm not sure sure what the deal was for the test of the "death ray" to Mussolini. >>I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in >>advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a >>telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; >>'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if >>Tesla had his way. Free power.'. Also, consider each time you watch TV, a modified form of the Tesla coil steps up the voltage to the picture tube. Edison, a great inventor in his own right, was very much an opportunist and created a big fuss trying to scare folks away from using Tesla's AC system. Tesla and Edison had a major falling out after Tesla had re-designed Edisons dynamos, then Edison reneged on a "promise" to pay Tesla. Edison told Tesla he was "only joking" and only offered him a modest increase in salary. Tesla walked after that. Tesla represented a threat to Edison and JP Morgan, since each wanted to make large profits off "grid energy". >This forgetting that investment capital dried right up when the >money men (Morgan et al) saw the implication of the kinds of >individual autonomy that power delivery of that type would >encourage. Oh to just do away with the wires. I'd _pay_ for >that. I suspect Morgan was an agent for the Rothschilds. Perhaps Morgan was really tapped out and could no longer supply further funding to Tesla, or perhaps it was a shrewd and calculated method of controlling Tesla. Either way, since the major funding dried up, there was no capitol for Tesla to conduct further research on a large scale. He died virtually penniless, having signed away his patents over to Westinghouse for his polyphase AC generation system and not getting much income after that, except for occasional help from George Westinghouse. Tesla could have been a billionaire if he had wanted to pursue that avenue of demanding more money or large royalties, but he chose not to do that. On http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy site is a patent and Science and Mechanics article on Howard Johnson's permanent magnet design. The patent was applied for in 1979, some additions in 1993, but the original lapsed in 1996, and is now open to public. The design is extremely simple and will work. Johnson was all set to go into production, and then he dropped it abruptly and allowed the patent to lapse. Right after the article on Johnson was published in S&M in 1980, the publication folded up, having been in operation since 1923. Co-incidence? There are numerous stories of inventors creating an invention or design for greater efficiency that would benefited mankind, but were ridiculed by the Science Establishment, hassled by the US Patent office, found dead from "suicide" under mysterious circumstances, or equally baffling, abandoning their patents, even when their protoypes and models were verified to be workable. We'll have "free energy" when the Bilderbergers/CFR/TLC decide we will, and when it profits them enormously first and they can dole it out and control it's release. Don ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 Re: Tesla From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:51 -0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:33:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:24 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> <snip> >Basically, Tesla has been shut out of the modern scientific >community. Why? <snip> >That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? <snip> It would be nice to see some documentation about signal speeds to the 27th power of the speed of light and that E does not equal mc2, and death rays shooting down aircraft, etc. Tesla was great, but let's not go overboard. Stan Friedman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 6 The Skeptical Believer From: Tim D. Brigham <TBrigham@ksinc.net> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:32:56 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:39:55 -0400 Subject: The Skeptical Believer John Shirley- The Skeptical Believer Updated 5.6.99 Joe Firmage And Johnny Rotten! (Plus Bob And Ryan Wood. Plus Majic Twelve) You know that old song by The Police, "Too Much Information"? Sting was singing about the following paragraph. Ted Oliphant is a mysterious-but-jovial ex-Fyffe-Alabama-policeman, ex-San francisco rock-club soundman, ex-motocross racing sponsor, perennial documentarian (directed two documentaries available on video), former radio show anchor, former (not kidding) BLIMP SALESMAN, and, ongoing cattle-mutilation expert=85who invited me to speak at a San Francisco MUFON-sponsored Tim Cooper/MJ-12 & Joe Firmage "The Truth" symposium along with Joe Firmage and Bob and Ryan Wood. And John Lydon, aka Johnny Rotten was there. You got all that? Then read on.... http://www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/js.htm )+( TBrigham@ksinc.net www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ufo.htm The Devil's Advocate www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ring.htm Operation MindPhuck "Better to go hungry than to feast on lies." )+(
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Tesla From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:04 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:57:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:24 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Hooray for Tesla contributing to today's technology (e.g., each >>time you see a transformer of a telephone pole think "Tesla"). >>Unfortunately a lot of... "dreamers"... have gone far beyond >>what is known (phenomenous) into the numenous (beyond the pale) >>when it comes to Tesla. <snip> >Basically, Tesla has been shut out of the modern scientific >community. Why? Old stuff! >He demonstrated the death ray to Mussolini by having him fly a >plane over and then have the pilot bail out. Tesla then shot the >plane down with his death ray... the forerunner of today's laser >beam... He took it to the Navy first, but they didn't want it... >Why? Huh? Laser? Prove it. >He proved that Einstein's theory of Relativity or E=MC2 was not >correct. Is that so, then "how come" it works? >That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Tesla From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:08:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:02:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] <snip> >I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in >advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a >telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; >'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if >Tesla had his way. Free power.'.< Free power? I believe Tesla wanted to transmit power "through the air" to receivers everywhere... _but_... that power had to be generated... and paid for... at the source. Not "free. Westinghouse realized that he couldn't make any money on power transmitted through the atmosphere....but could make money on power lines, so didn't support Tesla's "atmosphere" power transmission. Incidently, it is my opinion that if the Tesla power transmission system had become operational... it would have generated too much electrical (radio frequency) noise for the weak signals from the original radio transmitters to be detected by the early receivers which were not very frequency selective. Hence it seems to me possible that if Tesla's power system had been developed we might not have radio (or at least it wouldn't have begun as early in the 20th century as it did)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Sharon Kardol <sharon@hotmix.com.au> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:53:22 +0800 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:06:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:32:36 EDT >Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >>Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:59:08 -0400 >>Subject: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >>In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >>Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >>and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >>first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >>significance to this, it was just something I noticed. >Along the line of coincidences and a bit loser to home, Kevin, >were the two J.B. Johnsons associated with the Roswell case: >Maj. Jesse B. Johnson, one of the medical officers at Roswell, >and of course our very own James Bond Johnson, who is still very >much alive and kicking. :-) >David Rudiak Should we assume you weren't calling these interesting fellows a loser but actually meant closer <G> Freudian slip, huh... Coincidence is a mind blowing thing... Cheers Sharon K
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Third Face on Mars Discovered - Film at Eleven From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 00:02:25 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:09:37 -0400 Subject: Third Face on Mars Discovered - Film at Eleven Early this morning, astronomers from the New York City Society of Anomalous Stuff, Mostly Faces on Planets (NYCSASMFOP), were shocked to discover a third face on the surface of Mars which is now in conjunctivitis with the Earth. Not only that, but Jupiter is laying with Mars. "Lying" ... Sorry. Photos of this highly unusual face were immediately dispatched to Central Intelligence, National Safety Association and the Oral Office. It has been determined that this discovery is a matter of national insignificance, thereby precluding the release of the photos to the pubic... uh, the public ... sorry. This reporter has it on very good authority that this latest face so strongly resembles Phil Klass that there are people out there who believe Mr. Klass is, in reality, an illegal alien from there. Which is really wierd since most folks I know think he's Elvis. This plot thickens quicker than Gripple ages. "Citizens have no right knowing the truth, since it might set them free and that's all we need right now!" said a White Horse Ex Spurt. Gripple Works astronomers however, have also photographed the object and released copies to the press, which refused to comment on the matter saying, "If Gesundt was involved, it's probably swamp gas." "But there is no swamp gas on Mars. We've got them there, eh?" stated Gesundt, who is most likely from Ontario ... or maybe Toronto even because he talks funny. "Gripple has been following this story for weeks now, the only person we can contact who would believe us is that Cheese person, that Fromage. But he's not talking. We think the Gubbamint got to him too" stated Dr. Morty, Gripple Meister. Ramalama Ding Dong, the other white meat, was overheard saying (in the men's room at CIA headquarters) that NASA would keep the lid on this thing as long as it took to keep the public in (code word) "MUSHROOM" status ... in CIA-speak, this means, "Keep 'em in the dark and feed them manure." Actually they did not say, "manure," they used another word. But this is not public radio. And so another day passes in the life of UFOlogists. "It travels like fog does ... on cat's feet, as the poet once said. Gosh, in this age of the Internet and HMO's, it's so hard to know the truth. Gesundt said that. "Everybody must get stoned." Dylan said that. Drink Gripple. It works faster. I said that. Captain E.J. Smith... Smithe...
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 00:01:08 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:11:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:59:08 -0400 >Subject: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >significance to this, it was just something I noticed. >KRandle Hi Kevin, List: One part of the story is the mysterious light of a ship which sat nearby but never came close (not the California). Capt. Smith was reported to have said up in the ship's bridge that he thought it was a star. I once put the date and time in an astronomy computer program and found that Venus, the "Queen of UFOs", was only a couple degrees above the horizon. So, this is not so off-topic after all. Next to my house, here in Harrisburg, PA, is a vacant lot. A house there was torn down in 1940 after a flood. It is said that the woman who owned the house was a survivor of the Titanic. I would not be surprised if there were a lot more "Titanic survivors" than there were passengers, so this, too, might just be another "UFO" story. Clear skies,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:14:46 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:03:55 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:22:59 -0400 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:59:48 -0400 >>>From: Nathan Ranger <netrangr@ufo.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>>What interested me >>>most, though, was the straight edge-like structure oposite the >>>"face" and the upper right 90 degree angle. Those parts look >>>very anomalous. >>>However, those straight-line/90 degree markings look very >>>unnatural to me. Though my areas of anomaly research expertise >>>don't often deal with geological structures, I think its pretty >>>plain here. <snip> >>Actually, straight line and even right angles are not uncommon >>in geology. Both are usually the result of faulting. In some >>cases, lava has entered a set of cracks resulting from faulting, >>and when erosion wears the matrix away, only the harder lava is >>left behind, forming mysterious "walls" and other unusual >>features. <snip> >As a child, I walked past the same large mud puddle on the way >to school daily. >As it dried, the surface broke into nearly perfect hexagons and >pentagons, with deep cracks separating the "tiles" of silt! >It looked so "artificial", that I had to stop and wonder about >it. <snip> Hello Mark et al., I must agree with Nathan that the structures I observed, at least, looked highly anomalous and non-natural. I didn't even notice the "second face," so am not sure we're talking about the same photo. The one I looked at was at: http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/complete/orb_0548/54804.jpg and exhibited regular tessilated markings on the interiors and floors of 4 or 5 craters in one general area, but nothing like it in any of the other craters. The fact that in the craters where they exist the pattern extends all around the interior walls as far as is observable and all along the flat crater floor as well, with the same typical spacing, seems really anomalous to me. The spacing of course is much larger than than that of any hexagonal shapes observed on earth, and the pattern wasn't hexagonal, but diamond shaped. They must have consisted of elevated ridges in that pattern, to give the bright and dark shadowed contrasts. One of the craters showed a series of parallel up-down ridges on its inside wall that might conceivably have been caused by rainfall erosion if the crater is old enough to have existed in that past era. But I don't see how the others could be explained. At the bottom of the scroll-down photo strip there was a well defined crater with no such markings at all. Let us know, Mark, if anyone on any astronomical newsgroup you frequent comes up with any decent, plausible explanation for these inner-crater markings.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 02:38:29 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:18:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil >From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >Subject: Sighting in Manaus >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:18:16 -0300 >A boy told that he is watching UFOs every days in a district of >Manaus, Amazona's Capital, where he lives with her godmother and >his children. <snip> >The UFOs always show up at 06:50 Pm and 07:30 Pm, every day. Hola Thiago, If this is true, then it should be easy to set up photographic equipment and capture video/photographs of the objects for analysis. Is anyone doing so? Peace, John Velez, Webmaster IF-AIC ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 01:11:27 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:22:40 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Waves Post-1994? >From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: UFO Waves Post-1994? >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:36:09 -0300 >Hello, >I'm doing a special work to my University about the UFOs. My >interest is in UFO Waves. I have information from 19th >century to 1994. I would like to know if you can help me with >this work, sending to me some information about the waves after >1994. >Thanks a lot, >THIAGO LUIZ TICCHETTI >Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas >Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation >ICQ - 35119615 >*************** STOP THE WAR ******************* Dear Thiago: Please forgive the late response. True waves often take years to come into focus, the time needed for the data to accumulate and be counted. From the *U* UFO Database, I have (so far) logged the following event counts by year: 1990 - 396 1991 - 183 1992 - 308 1993 - 354 1994 - 383 January =3D 50; Feb. =3D Mar =3D Oct. =3D 46. 1995 - 554 January =3D 70; August =3D 62; Sept. =3D 58. 1996 - 337 1997 - 159 1998 - 69 1999 - 15 As you can see, the counts trail off as we approach the present. This is to be expected .. the literature simply isn't written yet. For the 1990s (to date) as a whole, November was the busiest month due to a rash of French sightings on 05NOV90, a suspected meteor shower plus a rocket re-entry. There were also sightings of objects highly inconsistent with meteors and rocket re-entries. This singular set of events has probably biased the statistics below as well .. Sunday (399) and Monday (413) were the busiest days. The busiest hours were the 5 hours from 1900 through 2400 hrs. Thus, there is nothing I would call a "wave". One might call the 05NOV90 French event a "flap", it was much discussed after all. A thick book by Franck Marie was devoted to that single day's events. Best wishes - Larry Hatch =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 02:49:05 -0600 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 18:55:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 06 May 99 17:33:17 PDT >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Patient and gentle listfolk, >>As far as revisonism goes, it's practiced every day actively in >>the news. Clinton declares war, bypasses the Congress and we're >>told "we have to have peace so we're gonna bomb the Serbs". >>Never mind that he didn't "feel the pain" of 500, 000 Rwandans >>who were massacred. It just didn't fit the CFR plans at the >>moment. Rwanda doesn't have a mine worth trillions of dollars >>like the one in the FRY. Never mind that NATO violated their own >>charter. "Might makes right" is the theme for the NWO. >This is truly dumb, a textbook example of the sort of >revisionism (not to mention loopy moral equivalence) practiced >daily by those whose hatred for Clinton, and apparently the >entire structure of American democracy, outweighs their outrage >over mass murder in Kosovo. The argument, by now a very tired >one, runs this way: because we didn't stop one evil, we have no >right to stop any evil. I leave it to list members to judge the >rationality of same. The rest of what our correspondent writes >here would be easily refutable if this were a list dealing with >politics and international issues, which it isn't. Thank God. Mr. Clark, There are many instances in the world in which tyrants have run free without so much as any kind of provocative action by NATO. Congress did not vote on any bombing, until it was well into the campaign. Prior to the bombs, the US had the KLA listed as a terrorist group with known drug dealing connections. While I was a bit sarcastic about some of my examples, the fact is there is a basis for looking at what we're told versus what they do. Yes, we have been dealing with Milosovic for quite some time and no I don't condone what he's done with killing people. I don't condone the bombing of innocent people, and their workplaces, places of worship like NATO has done. They have not limited the "precision bombing" to just military targets. The circus regarding the capture of the three soldiers was pure propaganda. It's "ok" for "us" to bomb Serbia, but the Serbs had better "take care of our POWS". There are many documented instances of our government supporting dictators for it's own ends. It was our own government that made it possible for Saddam Hussein to possess and develop biochemical weapons. It was the CIA who has conducted drug running operations, carried out mind control on it's own citizens under MK-Ultra and other ops. It was factions of our govt that traded drugs for arms in the Iran-Contra affair. There is a 1994 Rockefeller report which investigated the military's experimentation of dosing it's own members with harmful chemicals. You can read about that here - http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/rockrep.cfm It is a documented fact that Clinton has actively solicited the Red Chinese dictatorship, for campaign re-election funds. You can read ample documentation about this at --> http://www.softwar.net This is the very same regime that ran tanks over the bodies of it's citizens at Tiannemen Square; A regime that has brutalized, imprisioned, murdered its citizens for the crime of speaking out against tyranny. Yet we accord them "most favored" trade status while we lecture Serbians on brutalizing Albanians. Our hypocrisy is beyond absurd - We train killers at the CIA "School of Americas" in Georgia, but we have the gall to lecture other countries about "genocide". Unbelievable. Yet, this is the regime Clinton supports. The PLA supported his efforts in the re-election and the Clinton adminstration didn't act when a prominent whistleblower tried to get them to do something about a Chinese spy network at Los Alamos. It may offend your sensibilities terribly, but it's my considered opinion that Clinton is guilty of High Treason on this one particular issue. Quite contrary to your assertion that I am "bashing America", it would be more accurate to state my position as "anti-corrupt" government. There is a very distinct difference. I mentioned these issues in my previous post because it illustrates that government often speaks out of both sides of it's mouth, when it's convenient for them to do so. They are quite capable of covering up and obfuscating when they so choose. There are many examples of government harassment, persecution on whistleblowers, lying to Congress, and just plain "being above the law". Nazi's were smuggled into this country at the end of WWII in complete defiance to any laws, to go to "work" for the government. Is there substance to allegations that what we know about the German UFO research was carried over to Los Alamos? Did the government develop flying saucers using Tesla's technology? I personally witnessed a craft in Albuquerque in 1974, that had all the earmarks of a "corona field" around the craft, in broad daylight. Don ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:15:32 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 18:58:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:32:36 EDT >Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >>Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:59:08 -0400 >>Subject: > >>In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >>Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >>and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >>first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >>significance to this, it was just something I noticed. >Along the line of coincidences and a bit loser to home, Kevin, >were the two J.B. Johnsons associated with the Roswell case: >Maj. Jesse B. Johnson, one of the medical officers at Roswell, >and of course our very own James Bond Johnson, who is still very >much alive and kicking. :-) Regarding coincidences - in my trek to find the first modern style UFO close encounter in Britain - at least one that could positively be dated it turned out to involve a witness whose surname was Arnold. Her sighting was during WW II a few years before Kenneth's. I dont recall any other UK witness with that surname. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:07:01 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:45:50 PDT >>>>From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:19:55 +0200 >From Jenny Randles >>Certainly in my study of British cases there are no obvious >>greys at all until well into the l980's. Most - even >>hypnotically pursued - CE 4 s until about l985 had more human >>like or Nordic beings. The classic Telford encounter (pursued in >>l982/l983 with hypnosis on all three witnesses) produced >>different entity types with each witness and one of these was >>somewhat grey like. It is all the more apparent when you see >>how - after the massive import of greys into British culture >>circa l987 (via the books of Strieber and Hopkins) the previous >>pattern of British aliens virtually disappeared overnight and >>now you are hard pressed NOT to find greys. There has to be >>significance in this. I talked it over with Budd Hopkins and he >>says that the greys were always in Brirtish cases but witnesses >>never knew it because the more friendly alien types acted as >>cover to protect the subconscious, Well, maybe. But equally, it >>has to be possible that the form the entity takes in a story is >>culturally modified. Thats my bet. >From Jerry Clark >Maybe, maybe not. Nothing about any of this is simple. If it >were, we'd have found the answers long ago, we'd all agree on >them, and we could all go home. In fact, one extraordinarily >important fact -- unremarked on, so far as I know, by everybody >but me -- links pre- abduction CE3s with cases from the >abduction era, and that is the large number of reports of human >or humanlike beings, including the blond-haired Nordics. In >that sense, I think, it's meaningless to argue that the presence >of such entities in non-America abduction reports tells us much. >Besides their ubiquitous presence in early CE3s, these beings >were appearing in pre-Hopkins-era abduction cases, including one >I investigated in 1978 from Sedalia, Missouri (it occurred, >incidentally, during the nationwide early-August 1965 UFO wave, >centered in the Midwest). >>They do say that once is coincidence and twice a conspiracy. >>Here it is safer to say that there is more going on that just an >>invasion by greys and that something is occurring at the level >>of human consciousness on a cultural level. >Maybe, maybe not. Where the abduction phenomenon is concerned, >our ignorance vastly outweighs our knowledge, and it would >behoove us all to be as cautious as possible in our judgments. >In my own reading of the evidence, I would agree with the first >half of your sentence and seriously question the second. Of course, I am not saying we have all the answers and your caution is justified. You are correct about the presence of more human aliens. They appear in over 50% of British abductions. But the numbers have tumbled post 1987. But they are not all the same. There are aliens with beards. Aliens with swarthy skins. Yes, and some Nordic types. But the mixed bag of alien types is far greater than most UFOlogists seem to appreciate because it is easy to define a few categories that mask these differences. There is an undeniable massive impact in British data following the books by Strieber and Hopkins. This cannot surely be a coincidence. I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - that the form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. I have just seen a dozen witnesses to guardian angels telling their stories and was struck by the similarities to CE 4 percipients. Each felt they had contact with an entity. Many reported the Oz Factor. But some said the angels had wings and gave names like Rafael (I was waiting for a Monica or Tess but none showed up!) Others said they were human. Some said they had flowing robes. Some talked of space suits. A couple only saw typical BOL LITS. None of this discredits the fact that they had an experience - perhaps even a contact with some advanced intelligence - but I think the form it took was culturally associated. I see clear signs in the abduction data of just that pattern. In my view the answers will come from broader exploration of phenomena we presently regard as discrete - such as CE4s, NDEs, angels and more. Perhaps that view will be proven wrong. I am not so firmly attached that I cannot see other possibilities. Its just how I read the evidence right now. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Kecksburg UFO Video Wins EBE Award From: Stan Gordon <paufo@westol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:46:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:16:01 -0400 Subject: Kecksburg UFO Video Wins EBE Award Kecksburg UFO Video Wins EBE Award For "Best Historical UFO Documentary" I am pleased to announce that I have been notified that my UFO video documentary "Kecksburg The Untold Story" won an EBE award recently at the 8th Annual International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada. The 92-minute studio made production, won in the category of "Best Historical UFO Documentary." Each year the UFO Congress holds this event that focuses on the UFO phenomena, and among it's activities is the popular UFO film festival and EBE awards. The EBE awards were presented this year, for top UFO films in 10 categories. Many people are aware of the Roswell incident in New Mexico, yet many others are unaware that a similar event occured in Pennsylvania in 1965. I have been investigating the circumstances of the case since it occured, and continue with my investigation. The Kecksburg video gives a detailed account of what reportedly took place around the village of Kecksburg, PA on December 9, 1965. According to many witnesses, a brilliant object was seen over a large area, and it reportedly fell slowly from the sky into a wooded area near this community. Within hours after impact, the military arrived in the area, and a search was conducted for the fallen device. The next day officials indicated that what was seen was only a bright meteor, and that a search of the woods turned up nothing. The video includes testimony from witnesses who saw the object in the sky and as well as those who say they saw a strange metallic acorn shaped object semi-buried on the ground. There are interviews with many people who have knowledge of the event, including news reporters who were on the scene that night, and civilians who confronted armed military personnel. Other people provide various statements, that suggests that there was a coverup to withold the truth from the public. The documentary also contains some of the actual audio segments from the WHJB radio special "Object in the Woods" which was broadcast in a "cut and edited" version soon after the incident. Is the object at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base? For information on how to obtain the Kecksburg video write to me at P.O. Box 936, Greensburg, PA 15601, or visit my website for ordering information at www.westol.com/~paufo On my website, you can view some images from the Kecksburg video. Stan Gordon
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Tesla From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:50:40 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla Hi all: For those who believe that Telsa was "cheated" out of his fame for the invention of the wireless radio, might I suggest that Nathan Stubblefield in 1892 demonstrated a wireless telephone, but the locals didn't understand the significance of it. Maybe Telsa stole the idea from Stubblefield. >As was mentioned to me by the author, Bill Lyne in email, JP Morgan >had "lent" a manservant to Tesla, who eventually found and passed >on Tesla's "Dynamic Theory of Gravity" to the Nazi's. Well, let's really get into conspiracy here. J.P. Morgan owned the company that owned White State that owned the Titanic. Of course, the Titanic didn't sink. Morgan, engaged in an insurance scam, had switched the ship with the Olympic, Titanic's sister ship because the Olympic had been damaged in a collision. By switching the ships, Morgan could make a fortune when they purposefully sank the ship in the North Atlantic. Oh, you mean that it makes no sense to kill 1500 people in the insurance scam because of the liability and law suits? Well, maritime law limited the amount of liability and in the end, cost White Star something like $700,000 but the ship was insured for more than that. Oh, you mean that explorations of the Titanic wreck have shown that the number stamped on the massive propeller was 401, the number of the Titanic. The Olympic was 400. But, you know those crafty robber barons. Morgan probably anticipated he would have to switch the ships so planted false clues because... Well, okay, it really was the Titanic. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:59:32 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:23:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith Hi Bob, all- >One part of the story is the mysterious light of a ship which >sat nearby but never came close (not the California). Capt. >Smith was reported to have said up in the ship's bridge that he >thought it was a star. I once put the date and time in an >astronomy computer program and found that Venus, the "Queen of >UFOs", was only a couple degrees above the horizon. So, this is >not so off-topic after all. I wondered about Venus in all this and if some who saw lights might have been looking at the planet, though the wreck occurred at 11:40 p.m. and the light was seen until the Titanic sank at, what, 2:20 a.m. Besides, the Californian reported seeing the Titanic (though her skipper denied it), the bridge watch saw the distress rockets being fired, and they saw the ship seem to slowly disappear. Clearly the Californian was in a position to render aid and did not. So, the conclusion must be that Venus might have been visible, it does not explain the Californian's role in the disaster, or rather lack of a role. The ship was there and could have saved those left with no lifeboats. As for the number of survivors outnumbering the number who were on the ship, I've often wondered if there were "fake" survivors. Of course, the passenger lists do exist, the names of the rescued were carefully collected so that someone claiming to have survived the wreck would have to explain why his or her name was not on those lists. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:22:56 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:30:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO >From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>; Mike Wootten >Subject: Jet Crew report close encounter with UFO >Date: 04 May 1999 20:38 >>From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> >>Subject: Re: Jet Crew Tell Of Close Encounter With UFO >>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:21:04 +0100 <snip> Dear All, If ever there was an example of the desperation to prove that a/c have regular encounters with UFOs then this is it. 10 seconds? Must be good then.... We knew about this weeks ago and put out feelers to the many military monitoring groups we are involved with. Guess what - they're not interested. Neither am I. I do feel sorry for the pilot who will now have a plethora of lunatics hassling him. I suppose we can now expect a fourteen page expose in "UFO Magazine" (UK) alongside some more of their amateur holiday video footage of nothing interesting?? Tim Matthews - Lancashire UFO Society/British UFO Studies Centre/MI5. ****Read "UFO Revelation - The Secret Technology Exposed?" (Blandford 1999) - now taking the USA by storm; the subject of numerous successful US radio interviews.**** Only =A37.99 from amazon.co.uk.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 7 Filer's Files #18 - 1999 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:13:32 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 19:35:59 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #18 - 1999 Filer's Files #18 --1999, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director, May 7, 1999, Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020 DO ALIEN POWERS EXIST WITH CRAFT WITH INSIGNIAS? In 1950, President Harry S. Truman commented, "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any POWER on earth." White House Press Conference on April 4, 1950. Stanton Friedman wrote to inform me that the Truman Library has no record of an April 4, 1950, Press Conference. The source of my quote was from the "Unidentified Flying Objects Briefing Document" by Don Berliner and Antonio Huneeus, presented by the UFO Research Coalition. I have not have the resources to investigate the authenticity of each of the following stories. Whenever possible these cases are turned over to field investigators for follow up investigation. The reports are the opinions and research of the authors whose names are provided. They are extraordinary stories that I felt the reader would want to consider. They range from sightings in Denmark, to Rhode Island and Georgia. The observers and researchers could be mistaken, but they are searching for the truth. Much of this is not the standard thinking on the UFO subject. Last week, I discussed that POWERS rather than simply visitors were involved. POWERS infer a fairly large force with an ability to operate with national might with both spiritual and political strengths. In mail dated April 29, 1999, I was sent a signed investigation form by Dennis Bossack telling of his extraordinary sightings. RHODE ISLAND UFO WITH OMEGA TRIANGLE Dennis reports that on February 15, 1999, a triangle passed overhead heading west to east while he was driving on Route 138 north of Woodville. He lost sight of it due to the trees. A few days later, on February 20, he and his wife were sitting in their sunroom at 11:40 PM. They were watching a fox feed on bread they had put outside, when a craft appeared heading in a southerly direction. They stepped out on the porch for a closer look. Dennis states, "The craft passed over us silently, slowly, steadily and very low. The underside of it was dimly lighted by a hazy white light, thus making it possible to see the logo. The logo was a triangle edged in yellow containing the Earth being struck by two lightning bolts with the number '1' in the right hand corner. As it approached, a feeling of serenity and calm came over us making it a wonderful feeling to watch as it passed overhead. I estimate the speed of the craft at five to ten miles and hour. The size was approximately 40 feet in length and forty feet wide at the rear of the craft with the nose of the craft forming a point. The craft looked similar to a Stealth fighter, however it was a much large plane. The altitude of the craft was about one hundred feet, I repeat there was not a sound from the craft and id did not even create a breeze. I would appreciate any answers you might have to as what this craft is or who it belongs to." Thanks to Dennis Bossack. Editors Note: I have spent several hours on the phone interviewing Dennis who states the logo or insignia was five feet in diameter and at the front was the Omega symbol. The two lightning strikes that penetrate Earth begin at the 11 and 1 o'clock position. A similar lightning symbol was used by Roman soldiers conquering ancient Britain. The lightning strikes could infer a discharge of atmospheric electricity or perhaps intentions of colonizing Earth. We are also receiving strange communications from someone claiming to be Robert Omega. The Bossack's are respectable home owners mystified by this sighting. NEW YORK PAWLING -- A 28 year old woman woke up on the morning of April 26 after a weird dream at 4:45 AM. While awake she happened to see a light move outside through the window. She saw a round object that looked like it had a hole in the middle (donut shaped she thinks). The object looked like it was on fire (she said it looked this way because of the very bright white light). It was spinning and moved away from her in a westerly direction. When she first saw the object, it was about the same distance away as a nearby radio tower. The object was about 2 to 3 times the width of the base of the radio tower that is a 1/2 mile away. The object would repeatedly became very bright and then dim. It hovered, and was seen for about thirty minutes. She woke her brother up to witness the object. When it left, it moved at a normal speed and flew up into the clouds. Thanks to Jim Bouck Asst. State Director NY MUFON. http://members.aol.com/jgbouck/index.html PENNSYLVANIA CLARINGTON -- Tim Hagemeister reports April 29, 1999, a witness states, "This is the third night I have witnessed something. I first thought I was watching a satellite traveling north to south. Tonight-9:45 PM, it started turning toward the east. It eventually circled and ended directly overhead. I watched for several minutes until it finally dimmed to nothing. I observed this same scenario on three separate nights -- all starting in about the same location in the sky. It was the brightest in the western sky. As it traveled farther south and then easterly, it dimmed. Is it possible that it was so high that it caught the sun's light? I know it was not a plane. No noise. I live in a very remote part of PA, and I hear any plane that goes over. On May 3, 1999, I went out on the deck at 9:50 PM and checked the sky. The object was there again and I watched it maneuver all over. It would slow almost to a stop -- speed upturn in tight circles -- turn in wide circles -- never stopping. I watched it for a full ten minutes. No beams of any sort, just a dim star light object playing. I don't know what to make of it? Thanks to Tim Hagemeister: director@nacomm.org. VIRGINIA BLACK HELICOPTER - NO LIGHTS Richard Lang State Section Director of MUFON Virginia reports the strangest thing occurred at the lake where we live. Saturday night (5/1/99) my wife Karen and I were returning home at 10:30 PM. We live in a gated community which has a lake in the center. As we turned on to Route 600 (3 miles from the lake) we could hear a very loud helicopter and looked over in the field to the left. I then saw two helicopters in what appeared to be a chase. These two helicopters were low in the field maybe 100 feet altitude maximum and were lighted with normal navigation lights. I saw starboard green lights as they approached. These two helicopters were chasing something that was not lighted. Karen screamed because I swerved, trying to look up, and almost wrecked the car in the ditch, running off the side of the road. These two helicopters and what ever they were chasing passed directly over us heading toward the lake. We could feel the car shake as they passed over. We drove home and could hear the helicopters over the lake. A large heavy black helicopter flew over the street in front of our house, heading south in the clear sky. This black helicopter was at an altitude of no more than 50 feet above the tree tops with no lights of any kind! It was very loud and the ground shook. As the black helicopter passed over us, it was chased by the two well lighted, helicopters we originally saw. The two smaller chase helicopters were but had slightly different light configurations from each other. They appeared and sounded more like medical evacuation and business helicopters. All three turned and flew over the lake again. They came back and passed over head heading south and disappeared. I turned on my scanner, but was unable to pick up any information. I am a licensed commercial instrument pilot. I got a very good look at the helicopters. I was shocked they were flying so close and low in a residential area." Thanks to richard.lang@smtpgate.crestar.com --Editor's Note: Black Helicopters were also reported over Downers Grove, IL on March 22, at 2:00 PM at 150 feet. GEORGIA CLOUDLAND -- This afternoon I was interviewing a reliable witness in reference to a UFO encounter several years ago in Huntsville, Alabama. She was pretty excited and stated that she had just returned from a ranch in Cloudland, in North Georgia opposite the Sand Mountain. On April 16, 1999, at dusk she and a party of associates observed 5 to 6 highly anomalous objects darting around in the sky overhead. They were the size of a small pill held at arm's length. They performed unusual maneuvers, sometimes real slow, and then at outrageous speeds. They displayed green and red coloration. An occasional aircraft would fly over, and by comparison it was easy to determine the objects were not standard aircraft. The parties could tell the difference right away. The local resident providing said, they see these lights frequently. This area is west of Chatsworth - Ft. Mountain and combined with other intelligence the probability of activity during the Georgia Skywatch outing is high. ACKWORTH -- A witness reports that on October 24, 1999, at 7:45 AM, he was driving through his neighborhood just north of Atlanta. He observed a cigar shaped object in the sky traveling south in the general direction of Kennesaw. It was moving slowly, at about the speed the Goodyear blimp would travel. It WAS NOT a blimp and was bluntly rounded at both ends. There were no wings and no other structures of any kind were noticed. The object was well lit by the rising sun, having the 'golden' sun like tint on the bottom, and the upper half a metallic color. The excellent illumination and the clear weather gave him an outstanding observation of the craft for 10 to 15 seconds. He realized he had witnessed something highly anomalous. Later, when he had to visit Hartsfield Airport, he was looking at airliners landing and was able to make comparisons of distance, size and altitude. His rough estimate was that the craft he observed was about the same size as a large commercial jet fuselage at 1 1/2 mile and at 1200 feet in altitude. MUFON GA investigated a report of a similar object flying N to S over the Stone Mountain Freeway and this witness identified the photo of a similar object over Rhode Island in 1997 as being almost identical. Thanks to GA State Director Tom Sheets OHIO NORWALK -- Diana Age: 36 a secretary on May 1, 1999, could see that something was moving and flashing in the sky near the shores of Lake Eire at 10:00 PM. Diana said, "Everyone thought I was nuts till they came out to see, what I was talking about." She got her neighbor to video cam the object with 500 times magnification. You can see some movement as it hovered in the distance . She had seen the same thing in Milan 19 years before. Several neighbors also saw the sighting. They agreed no plane hovers and moves from the same spot for an hour or more. It flashes and moves a little each time. Magnified at 500 times it looks like a fire cracker. - Clear and cold weather conditions. A video was made of the obect. UFO hovered and moved erratically while changing colors. Thanks to BUFOD Ben Field at ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk. MINNESOTA AUSTIN -- Chris reports that on April 20, 1999, "It was a nice night out so me and my sister decided to go out for a drive. We were listening to the radio at 9:30 PM, when we heard a loud screechy noise. At first we thought it was the car so we pulled over and shut off the motor. I went outside, but I could still hear it. I then looked North to where I felt the noise was coming from. I saw a rather large light in the air. The light was bright and didn't blink at all like a plane does. When we saw it stop and move straight up we thought it must be a UFO. The light suddenly changed to a light blue and zipped out of the sky in almost at about a 60 degree angle. We also saw objects hat were obviously planes We waited but it didn't return. Thanks to UFO Scotland: http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/dledger/index.htm UTAH SALT LAKE CITY -- Brad Rockerfeller had a UFO sighting Friday, April 30, 1999, while driving 40 miles north of the city on the freeway with his sister and brother-in-law. I felt a powerful sensation in my lower bowels at 9:25 PM. It felt as if my guts were being a-pulled right out of me. My sister a-tried to speak to me, but when she opened her mouth - NO WORDS CAME OUT! I got mighty scared, but I thanked Jesus for his protection and Love. As I said a prayer, a bright light appeared in the west about a half a mile from us. As it got closer, I could see that it was a cigar-shaped object about the size of a truck. It was orange in color and kind of glowed like a bug. The UFO was sighted for 30 seconds and made strange sounds like WAAAH-WAAAH-WOOOO! SSSSHHH. The craft was flying very low at 50 to 100 feet altitude. Then flew like a shot -- over toward the lake and was gone. There were thin clouds and calm winds. Thanks to BUFOD and Ben Field ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk () AIRLINER ENCOUNTERS BATTLESHIP SIZE UFO NEAR DENMARK Daily Express (UK) - Pilot, Crew In Shock By Simon Bird. A British charter jet has had a close encounter with a UFO said to be "the size of a battleship." The shocked pilot and crew of a Debonair BAe146 plane reported being buzzed by "a long cylindrical object" as they flew over the North Sea. Three other pilots have also independently logged seeing the bright object 58 miles off the coast of Denmark. Last night the Civil Aviation Authority confirmed a comprehensive report of the pilot's sighting had been received. The captain and crew first became aware of the object after the underside of the plane was immersed in an incandescent light while flying at 28,000 feet. The area below him was illuminated for about 10 seconds by incandescent light. A spokesman for the 6,000 member British Pilots Association said: "We get reports of this nature from our members but they are few and far between. Express Newspapers Ltd 4-28-99 Thanks to: Mark Hall capn_black@msn.com. Editors' Note: Last week UFO Sweden speculated that a bolide flew by the airliners. JOHN THOMPSON'S ABDUCTION RESEARCH John Thompson poses some startling research based on his actual field investigation of hundreds of sightings. John is the former MUFON State Director of Georgia and has probably investigated more sightings than anyone in the country. John states: "I feel I am doing ground-breaking research. I also believe much of what I say will be eventually proven. Recently I caught flak from two ufologists for my suggestion that police agencies should investigate if any of the recent student-killers at several high schools had ever experienced abduction type symptoms. My suggestion stems from the pattern of the shootings, which thus far have exclusively occurred in rural or former rural areas (Littleton, Colorado) that I believe have high UFO/alien activity. It is my contention that abductions, as outlined in my article, "Abductions: The Truth," at www.isur.com, have nothing to do with extraterrestrial (ET) visitations. While, the abduction phenomenon is real, it only involves dimensional innerterrestrial (INT) aliens. Several factors lead me to this conclusion. Importantly, there is never physical proof or independent witnesses to abductions. Nonetheless, millions, knowingly or unknowingly, have experienced symptoms that suggest they were abduction victims. Something most frightening is happening, but it does not involve physical space craft. I have done several formal abduction investigations and many cases that involved only entity sightings. Interestingly, the majority of my witnesses who saw entities did not see a UFO. Some of these same witnesses have seen UFOs, but not while seeing an entity. Most did not think they were seeing an ET entity but a demon, or as it is commonly called in the South, an "haint" In two abduction cases that allegedly involved entities in space-craft I found no proof. One witness's story disappeared after talking to his psychiatrist and finding he had told her a different version of the same tale. In the other, I concluded the "abductee" had staged his abduction. This individual, while possibly having had several genuine UFO sightings, cleverly crafted a convincing UFO abduction that at first glance was impressive. But the longer I knew the impostor, it became clear that his story had come about from years of reading UFO books and magazines. New lies and deceptions also appeared with other matters to show he was a charlatan. Two entity sightings with UFOs and which involved other witnesses proved far from conclusive. In the first case, the other witness involved denied the whole event had ever happened. With the other case, the second witness said he did not see an entity as his friend had thought but did see what he perceived as a low and slow-moving secret government plane. So in a 120 plus cases and hundreds of firsthand interviews with other UFO witnesses, I seemingly have no provable sightings that involve witnesses seeing entities with a UFO. On the other hand, I do have many, many entity sightings that appear to be real. Two different witnesses interviewed saw entities wearing a Panama style hat with wide brim. This same hat was seen apparently not coincidentally on a "Gray" by a third witness who believes she is an abductee. Tom Sheets, Georgia of MUFON's State director, investigated this case. The other two parties thought what they saw was a haint in different disguises. A middle-aged lady in Dallas believed her haint, with hat, was the "Angel of Death." Her husband, after a long illness, died a few days later following her INT sighting. The other, a 23 year-old restaurant worker in LaGrange thought her haint was her long dead grandfather. The Dallas and the LaGrange witnesses have said they instinctively knew they were dealing with evil creatures of the supernatural. Yet another witness in LaGrange who saw an entity (without hat), and remarkably like the Dallas woman, made his INT disappear on asking help from God. This same nineteen year-old college student had a UFO sighting, with others, two years earlier. Despite his prior UFO sighting he said he never entertained the thought he was seeing an ET alien. While he thought it was of a dead friend, he intuitively knew it was evil. The restaurant worker, who twice saw the same INT with Panama hat on, but ten years apart, has had other family members see entities. Her grandmother, which I did a case with two years ago, saw what would be termed a "Nordic" by most abduction researchers. Other family members have told this investigator they too have seen haints. Curiously, none have seen the same exact entities. Possibly relating to this, an older son currently resides in prison for a weapon's charge. Earlier, he had served several years for a second-degree murder he had committed. His niece who saw the Panama hat attired alien says her uncle has seen haints; even in his jail cell in a maximum security prison! Based on the evidence shown above and other investigations it is my sincere belief that what abductions are about is mind-conditioning. Coincidentally, Wes Clark of MUFON in Florida and CE-4 Research has independently confirmed much the same. Abductions are the actual mechanism for how evil is imported into our bodies. While family, friends, society and culture undeniably play important roles in shaping our personalities, the actual emplacement of evil by abductions appears to be happening. Fortunately the conditioning by INTs does not often take or can be warded off with the assistance of God. There is no other way to explain why the calling for the Lord makes INTS to disappear. But as long as there is "an opening," the INTs probe. This is why the INTs continue to come back for many visits throughout the abductee's life; not for breeding purposes, as many have suggested, since the abductors are not creatures of the flesh. Innerterrestrials are and have been negatively effecting mankind's mental evolution. Should investigations by law-enforcement personal show that any of the student killers had experienced abduction symptoms they may establish why some men are ghastly evil and others not when all else is the same. The "devil in me" may have more basis than we think. Most importantly, such investigations and related research might prevent future tragedies. COPYRIGHT, John C. Thompson, 1999. All rights reserved. Editor's Note: Each person is searching for answers to the abduction phenomenon, John has given his investigation a great deal of thought. His deductions are not based on books and theories but actual investigation. US ROCKETS FAIL TO DELIVER SATELLITES CAPE CANAVERAL -- By my count six rockets have failed in recent weeks to deliver satellites into orbit. On May 4, a Boeing Delta 3 rocket failed to deliver a commercial communications satellite into its intended orbit. CHEMTRAILS OR CONTRAILS IN OUR SKIES In recent months strange low level contrails have been reported throughout the US. Chuck Warren's sight at http://www.contrailconnection.com is excellent. There has been a great deal of speculation on the cause. Kent Steadman writes that planes spreading chem trails have been photographed over NH on 4-6-99, 4-11, 4-30 and 5-3-99. On 5-3-99 the first hour of Art Bell show, one chap near the Great Lakes, said he used binoculars and saw the tail section painted red. My picture also shows a red tail, wing tips and engines that should be easily identifiable. USA TODAY paper states Ice Lab testing is going on over NH putting ice crystals into the atmosphere to test the freeze time on airplane wings. Could this be part of the contrails? Thanks to Kent Steadman://www.cbjd.net/orbit/graphics/chemaircraft.html Crass commercials: GET THE BEST REALTORS and HELP UFO RESEARCH As a special aid to our readers, we can provide you with the best real estate experts in your area at no cost to you. If you obtain your own agent do you really know their experience level and expertise? And how good a producer are they? I can provide free relocation information and top agents from the largest and most respected real estate firms. If you are planning to sell or buy a home and would like a top flight real estate agent call 609 654-0020 or-mail majorstar@aol.com or. Please provide your name, phone #, address, price, and location. 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The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:42:33 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:48:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:04 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >>from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >>being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >>to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? >Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he >measured this? That's what I've been thinking, ever since I read the original claim. Light travels pretty fast -- 186,000 miles per second. So if Tesla set up a sending and receiving station a 186 miles apart, at the speed of light a signal would take one-thousandth of a second to travel between them. Better synchronize your clocks! But now at the speed of light to the 27th power.....my computer calculator will only render this in scientific notation: 1.891687934643772596211554475943e+142 miles per second. Maybe someone here would like to render that, approximately, in conventional numbers, to give us some idea of the time the journey of 186 miles would take. One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of light to
The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Max Burns <AlienHype@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:08 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:54:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:28:17 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >>From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >>>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:17:43 -0700 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Yes Mike, it is supposed that many of Tesla's workbooks are >>still being deciphered although if someone on this List has >>more information, please share and enlighten. As for working for >>the Nazi's in WWII, I am not sure of, but I do recall the >>experiments that he performed for Mussolini were memorable and >>were probably noticed by the Nazi regime. <snip> Hello all, So you are after some info on Tessla, Ok this is what I have, I do not know if you have seen this but here is some info and a website where you can download a large Zip file full of Goverment docs in PDF format.. so you will need to download acrobat reader 3.. to view the files. www.fbi.gov/foipa/tesla/tesla1.pdf The Following extract taken from the excellent research from Harry Mason the full research paper titled Bright Skies parts 1-6 the full paper can be read at this site . I hope this is of use to you all folks http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ I personaly recomend you all taking a look at this paper in full here is the contents list... BRIGHT SKIES Parts 1-6 By HARRY MASON Copyright =A9 1997/98 Harry Mason "All Rights Reserved" (Parts 1-5 published in abridged format in Nexus Magazine) (Part 6 published in "The Strange" Netzine) List of Contents :- PART 1 :- The Banjawarn Event Other Fireball Events The Perth Event Silent Fireballs PART 2 :- Recent Exotic Australian Light Energy Events Orange Light Beam Over Fremantle Naval Installations Nuclear Bomb Scenario The Tesla Connection Telegeodynamics Etc. Tesla's Death Rays and Suppressed EM Weapons Technology PART 3 :- The "Banjawarn Bang" Revisited Japanese Religious Cults : Covert Political Support Hayakawa's Australian Fieldwork The AUM That Never Was The Nuclear Bomb Scenario Soviet Russia - Japan EM Weapons Scenario Hayakawa's Real Purpose at Banjawarn USA EM Weapons Testing Scenario US Surprise at "Ground Zero" Epicentre Calculations PART 4 :- Worldwide Events Mansfield Incident - United Kingdom (12-11-1987) Eureka Event, California, USA (24-09-1994) Artist's Rendition of a Fireball and it's Explosion Postulated Aspects of Fireball EM Weapon Physics Recent May-June 1997 Australian Events Fireball "Explosion" and Other Considerations Exmouth Tx Fireball Weapons and Orbital UFO's PART 5 :- Earthquake Inducing Electro-Magnetic Weapon Used at Kobe ? Factions at War ? Behind the Tokyo Subway Gas Attack Oklahoma City "Bombing" Perth's Early Morning Wake-Up Call The Downing of TWA Flight 800 PART 6 :- October 1997 Planetary Events Update A. Recent Australian (October 97) Events B. Recent USA (October 97) Events Meteor Lights Up New Mexico Sky Sonic Blast From Meteor Rocks El Paso Mystery Meteor Causes a Big Stir in El Paso Texas C. Other Planetary Scenarios and Fairy Stories (Black Triangles) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Extract below THE TESLA CONNECTION In an early telephone call with Dan Gelber at the US Senate inquiry team he informed me that the US had found evidence that the AUM in 1992 had sent a research team to study at the Nicola Tesla museum in Belgrade, Yugoslavia. Their objective was to get data on Tesla's electromagnetic wave transmission technology - as related to an earthquake inducing weapons system ...... Gelber being a Lawyer did not seem to understand much about this weapons system, but discussed it "in passing", as evidence for the AUM sect's deep desire to obtain exotic new weapons systems with potential for mass destruction - such as nuclear bombs and nerve gas technology etc. Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943) was the scientific genius who single handedly invented modern A/C electrical rotating fields and electrical generators, motors, plus radio (Marconi apparently stole Tesla's ideas whilst apprenticing at Tesla's New York laboratory) and a host of other electrical and electromagnetic devices. Most of the foundations of modern 20th Century electrical civilisation is due to Tesla's pioneering work in the period 1880-1908. As it happens I have a large library of Tesla's works and many books about him. Tesla's electro-magnetics and his understanding of Physics has always intrigued me, and I have spent many hours pouring over his patents attempting to visualise the circuits and his understanding. I was greatly intrigued by Gelber's comments and pondered over their possible significance - if any - to the Banjawarn events of 28-05-93. I began to reread my Tesla library searching for any possibly relevant information. TELEGEODYNAMICS ETC. I found references to Tesla constructing a vibrating mechanical oscillator with a perfect periodicity that he used to "ping" the Earth; he also tried it out on his laboratory building structure; when it received a return signal of longitudinal (i.e. scalar) seismic or sound wave energy it added a new impulse "ping" to the return, after a few minutes this wave re-enforcement built to such a level that harmonic oscillational forces created local ground earthquakes and/or began to vibrate the target building to pieces. This device was built to provide a mechanical analogy to Tesla's E/M wave research to help Tesla visualise the system dynamics. Tesla describes taking a sledge hammer to one of his first devices as the only method able to stop the rapid collapse of his laboratory and nearby buildings - which were all vibrating increasingly violently and in sympathy with the mechanical oscillator's seismic wave packets. There were vague references in the literature to his mechanical Telegeodynamics theories coupled to suggestions that he could create the same seismic effects with E/M "Tesla Waves" - as produced by his "Magnifying Energy Transmitter" - a giant Tesla coil linked to a special circuit design and a large spherically shaped "aerial". He utilised "Tesla Waves" i.e. longitudinal (scalar) E/M waves (like sound waves) of pure electrostatic potential with no E (electrical) or H (magnetic) transverse vibrational fields. Tesla certainly proved that he could transmit useable electrical energy in very large quantities, without any wires and with minor energy losses, by his E/M "Magnifying Energy Transmitter" device. He claimed that he was bouncing his "Tesla waves" through the Earth's core to the antipodes and back to the Tx site. A relatively small 10Kw generator energy supply of just a few horsepower would rapidly allow the build up by resonance of millions of horsepower in the coil circuits of this "Magnifying Energy Transmitter" device. Sheets of man made lightening and blue-white electrical streamers would arc out of the circuit to earth grounding points, or from the top spherical aerial system. Locals complained of experiencing sparks and blue-white streamers of electrical energy issuing from power lines, generators, electric motors, etc., and even from the soles of their boots to the ground, many miles away from his Colorado Springs laboratory. Tesla had previously demonstrated that fire and flames can be exactly reproduced by very high tension high frequency electrostatic potential waves - in fact that is all a fire is when considered in physics - dimensions higher than the standard "burning of say Carbon in Oxygen" philosophy of atomic molecular chemistry. In his patent for the E/M "Magnifying Energy Transmitter" Tesla mentions that it can transmit electrostatic potential energy to the planetary antipodes, or create a grid of standing waves and nodes of pure electrostatic potential energy across the entire planet. He provides a method for steering the antipodean target site by utilising two or more waves of differing frequency and amplitude from two or more widely separated transmitter (Tx) sites. It is important to realise that he was NOT transmitting standard Hertzian waves which vibrate transverse to the string direction in normal 3D space with a constant rate of time flow - as in standard HF radio Tx. Lord Kelvin of the London Royal Society of Physics had a serious argument with Tesla at a scientific meeting in New York as Kelvin considered transverse vibrational E and H field Hertzian waves to be the only form of E/M wave propagation. However when invited to Tesla's laboratory Kelvin was astounded to see by experimental demonstration that Tesla was indeed creating longitudinal vibrational or scalar E/M waves of pure electrostatic potential, or as Tesla called them NON-HERTZIAN radiations. Kelvin then apologised in public and confirmed the existence and nature of the new "Tesla Wave". Recent private research in the USA has demonstrated that "Tesla Waves" can propagate in "n" dimensional space and may be engineered to operate in a non-linear time dimension at any speed from zero to infinite (not being limited to "c" - the speed of light). Several Tesla waves sent from different transmitters may also be engineered to combine by interferometry to produce an E/M slug of very high infolded or contained energy, with any desired light emission shape, colour, and intensity. This slug of E/M energy may be moved around the planet at will (visible or invisible). The contained energy may be released by a further specific transmission. The E/M slug can be moved into the Earth, through the air, or into the sea. If "detonated" in the earth an earthquake is the result. In a building or a city a violent explosion of pseudo-nuclear style is the result (even upto nuclear force levels). TESLA's "DEATH RAYS" and SUPPRESSED E/M WEAPONS TECHNOLOGY In his later years Tesla claimed that he could produce a "Death Ray" with a range of hundreds of miles - useful against aircraft. Tesla also stated that another of his invention's would allow entire cities to be devastated by explosive E/M transmissions across intercontinental distances - to anywhere on the planet - with no defence possible, and that E/M "Tesla Shields" (produced by the same new device) could defend an entire country or a city against aircraft and shells. He certainly made several public announcements about the death ray and city buster E/M weapons systems in the 1920's and 1930's - but gave no details of technique that have knowingly survived into the public domain. In 1924 a plethora of "death ray" and "anti-aircraft ray" stories appeared in the New York Times. The West Australian "Kalgoorlie Miner" newspaper also published stories on these inventions during the 1920's. Various inventions were linked to several national scientists e.g.British (Grindell H. Mathews), USA (Dr.T.F. Wall), German (Herr Wolle), and Russian (Grammachikoff - revealed by belligerent statements of Trotsky). Details of the technology allegedly employed by these systems are currently unavailable in the Western Literature. An Australian inventor of such a "death-ray" device, Charles Sidney Way, was found dead - shot through the heart under mysterious circumstances - on the promenade of an English sea side resort in late 1937. News stories were also published in the USA about Tesla's "death ray" inventions in 1924, 1934, and finally in 1938. The 1938 press releases stated that Tesla would employ 50 million volts in a new form of ray wave only one-hundred-millionth of a centimetre in diameter based upon an entirely new principle of physics that produced a great repelling force. Tesla stated that this device could melt any engine and that there was no defence. It could travel through interstellar space faster than light, and that if aimed at the moon it would turn a spot on the surface into incandescence. It would appear that Tesla was referring to something vaguely similar to modern concepts of Laser or Particle Beam weapons but possibly utilising Microwave E/M transmissions of enormous power travelling at speeds> "c" - the velocity of light. In actual fact physicists call waves with dimensions of one-hundred-millionth of a centimetre (i.e. 10 to the power of -9 metres) X-Rays, but the size mentioned by Tesla is also quite close to the arbitrary boundary designated for even smaller radiations - defined as Gamma Rays. To achieve such wave packet velocities of> "c" was thought to be impossible in Einsteinian Western Physics - until the recent redevelopment of new ideas in physics concerning the theoretical relativistic hyperspace transmission of scalar E/M waves - or "Tesla Waves". NB. It is also now known that longitudinal scalar E/M waves do indeed produce a great repelling force on the atomic nucleus - bypassing the outer electron shells - directly engineering or interfering with the components of the nucleus. Tesla was not known to make idle statements - but some of his ideas were so incredible and beyond the "ken" of so many other "physics peers" that mainstream academics commonly just ignored his work. Only in recent years have some brave souls come out with experimental and theoretical studies that confirm the brilliance of this amazingly practical and innovative mind. Most modern Western University physicists simply ignore Tesla's work. Only East European and Russian Universities normally include a study of Tesla's work in the curriculum. As early as 1914 Tesla predicted electrical control of atmospheric moisture and "weather control", and gave some thought to how this could be achieved by his magnifying transmitter. He implied that it would be possible to even affect the Sun's E/M fields and it's solar output, or certainly modify it's effects upon the Earth by means of E/M Tesla wave transmitters. Tesla suggested means for lighting the ionosphere by E/M waves to produce a dull white glow - to turn night into day and make sea and air navigation safer. This apparently magical thesis would work along lines of an analogy between the rarefied upper atmosphere or ionosphere and an evacuated standard office fluorescent tube - both can be lit up by a Tesla Coil radiating "Tesla waves", without any wires necessary. Tesla believed that nuclear radiation from specific isotopes, such as Radium, or Uranium, was not just the result of atomic nucleus instability but that the decay was caused by interaction of the nucleus with a special ray emanating throughout the Universe. He stated that it would be possible to engineer E/M "shielding" to stop the rays and hence terminate the action of nuclear disintegration, and presumably therefore it would be possible to generate concentrations of such rays and stimulate the nucleus into explosive or rapid general transmutation. These radiation and other theories of Tesla's, and more recent theoretical studies by US Physicist Tom Bearden have enabled a full elucidation of the reasons for a series of quite bizarre activities of the Japanese AUM Supreme Truth sect in W.A. at Banjawarn station during 1993, and demonstrated the AUM sect's close connection to the 28-05-93 Banjawarn Fireballs, explosion,
The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 UFO Desk On Internet From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:37:13 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:56:47 -0400 Subject: UFO Desk On Internet All, There was an error in last email about show on Sunday evening. Please refer to URL in SIG for place to tune. Or drop by UFO Desk Online and click at iNFO Radio. Thanks, hope you can tune in. This will be a first for UFO Desk so we're pretty excited. Our first offering will be a chat with Stanton Friedman and Jerry Clark. Your hosts are Scott Carr Editor of Flying Saucer Gazette, and Paul Williams creator of UFO Desk. thanks, Paul Williams
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:06:57 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:58:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla Along with the EMI problems with early radio to which Dr. Maccabee refers, there would also have been potential environmental effects. I'm sure most of us remember Heinlein's story, "Waldo." (If you don't, get it and read it. You'll have a good time & learn something besides.) Steven
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Ruppelt the Liar? From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:35:01 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:01:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Ruppelt the Liar? >From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net> >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:40:25 -0700 >Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:50:54 -0400 >Subject: Re: Ruppelt the Liar? >Dear Brad, Fran, and Mike, >Since I posted the above title, it has been cross-posted all >over the Internet without the context of all the other messages, >so there is a lot of heat coming down on my head. However, the >idea was to simulate further discussion. >In any case my correspondents pointed out several things >which are interesting and are further developed here: Hi Jan, I finally got a chance to respond to your thoughtful posting. See comments below: > 1) Ruppelt's original manuscript was much larger than the >final book. Only Brad and Michael Swords have read the larger >version, to my knowledge. Yes, few have read the full-length Ruppelt manuscript. The longer version is very dull, and I can see why it needed to be edited down for popular readership. Very few if any deletions have any hiding-a-secret connotation to them. Most of these kinds of secrets Ruppelt simply kept hidden in his unpublished papers. One deletion took out a Sept 23, 1948, AEC case that gave a last time-frame for the Top Secret Estimate of the Situation, as Ruppelt claims this sighting was in the Estimate. However, Keyhoe told me he was shown the Estimate in 1952 and it had a Received date at USAF HQ of Aug 5, 1948, and that it was signed by two colonels (apparently Col Howard M. McCoy and L/Col William Clingerman of AMC Intell Dept). So there's a conflict here that will not likely be resolved till an actual copy of the Estimate turns up someday. > 2) In cutting down the book to a reasonable length, did the >Fort Monmouth sighting get compressed in time to make it a "good >read?" Nope. Ruppelt falsely compressed the dates of the sightings and ATIC investigation into a tight 4-day period instead of the actual 3-week period, to cover up ATIC's bungling of the case, and he made up the date and time of the message that triggered the Rosengarten-Cummings field investigation, claiming it was an Operational Immediate teletype received at "the EXACT TIME" of 3:04 PM on Sept 12, 1951. In fact, Ruppelt's own 1955 interview notes in preparation for his book avoid giving a bogus exact date and they give the time of receipt differently, as "about 1300" or 1:00 PM -- not 3:04 PM. Ruppelt's notes say nothing about it having an "Operational Immediate" message precedence either. Apparently all these phony details were jazzed up later for dramatic effect and appearance of authority in the book. The files reveal that the message that "initiated" the Rosengarten-Cummings ATIC investigation was actually a transcribed telephone conversation (NOT a teletype) from AF Intelligence received at about 2 PM on Sept 28, 1951 -- more than TWO WEEKS LATER than the bogus Sept 12 date given in Ruppelt's book (p. 91). The Rosengarten-Cummings trip actually extended over 4 days not 2 days, from Sept 28 till briefing Gen Cabell's staff and the general informally late on Oct 1, before the formal briefing the next morning. > 3) Considering that MG Cabell, was hot and heavy on the >Fort Monmouth, NJ, sighting, there was pressure to come up with >something on the sighting to get him off ATIC's back. Any >reasonable sounding answer would do. (McDonald also >investigated this sighting and was critical of the explanation.) >Ruppelt being successful in deflecting the heat on this case was >probably please with himself and just used his explanation which >he seemed pretty proud of in his book. This sounds reasonable. > 4) ATIC was in a funny position. The ATIC was part of AMC >although the Directorate of Intelligence considered ATIC in a >special relationship as field unit of DI. Even so, unless your >name is Patton or Hollingsworth you don't go firing people in >commands run by a superior officers. I have discussed staff >and command relationships elsewhere. Basically, staff "pukes," >as one commander put it, are not important.They are adjuncts >of the commander. The important relationships are commander to >commander. Staff officers exercise supervision--not command--in >their areas of expertise. Now if Cabell wanted to clean people >out of ATIC, he might have gotten with personnel to reassign >people at ATIC, but not without first taking the matter up with >the AMC commander in a back channel. In his own office, >obviously, he is the authority to move or fire people as >required. (It also goes without saying that superior staff >have their commander's ear, so you cross them at your own >peril.) (Perhaps there is something, I haven't seen here. >Was ATIC actually under DI in a command relationship? Was >it simply attached to AMC at the time? It seems that has >to be answered. I did see a memo concerning the "special >relationship" with DI as a field unit, but was that formalized? >Gad, you have to copy everything you see, because there is no >telling when it will show up as something important.) When ATIC was established in May 1951, it became part of AF Intelligence and the intelligence community for the "first time" in the history of it and its predecessors, according to the FTD's 1967 history. Prior to that time T-2 and AMC's Intell Dept were part of the R&D side of the Air Force. Thus, Watson came directly under AF Director of Intelligence Gen C. P. Cabell for the "first time" in May 1951 and within a month Watson was transferred out. As you say, if Cabell had been dissatisfied with Watson prior to that time, he would have had to take it up with AMC's commander. But now he could fire or transfer Watson on his own. I think the last straw was when Great Falls UFO filmer Nicholas Mariana filed a libel suit on May 4, 1951, against Hearst publications for a vicious anti-UFO article that prominently quoted the anti-UFO Watson. >5) Ruppelt in his book does not do justice to those people >that thought UFOs represented a possible Soviet jump ahead >especially in the early days. Ruppelt seemed unaware of the Top Secret Air Intelligence Study of Dec 1948, or else he was extremely good at covering it up. >6) Exactly what was Ruppelt's mission? When you consider >that, then you might understand why he acted the way he did. >What do the higher ups want from him? Good questions. At times Ruppelt's "mission" as he understood it clashed with what his superiors in AF Intelligence wanted, e.g., with his attempt to investigate the first Washington National incident while he was in Washington and the abrupt orders home on July 22, 1952, (which he completely falsifies and covers up in his book with the fictitious "staff car" story) and his efforts to inform the CIA of the results of his staff's UFO investigations prior to the Robertson Panel, which were suppressed and kept from CIA on orders from AF Intelligence. At other times, Ruppelt's vision clicked with what higherups wanted, e.g., his plan (NOT the CIA's) of July 1952 to turn Blue Book into a PR/propaganda shell to debunk UFO sightings and reduce public interest in the subject. Yes, you read that right, this was planned by Ruppelt and AF Intelligence long before the Robertson Panel came into existence and well before any of the steps by the President and the CIA leading up to the Panel. >(From the Hynek and Friend tapes it is obvious that they >are both interested in UFOs and delving into the subject, but >they also understand that what they were required to do is to >offer some kind explanation for UFO cases that sounded >reasonable.) (Asside: I might add sounded reasonable--it did >not have to be reasonable.) >Ruppelt did recommend an enlargement of Project Blue Book in >1952. He pulled out all the stops here. He also complained >about lack of access to CRIVIS reports and other intelligence >materials. Yes, Ruppelt even recommended a quadrupling of Blue Book to the Robertson Panel on Jan 18, 1953, which agreed with it, as proven in the minutes/records of the Panel, contrary to Leon Davidson and other critics who mistakenly pounced on this as a falsehood by Ruppelt, while overlooking numerous other actual falsehoods. I'm not familiar with Ruppelt's complaints about lack of access to CIRVIS reports. I think it is true that JANAP 146 did not include AMC or ATIC as a recipient along with AF Intelligence until their successor FTD was added in 1966 apparently. I do recall that Ruppelt had trouble getting complete Sign/Grudge files reconstructed and had to go to AF Intelligence on Jan 29, 1952, to locate complete copies or copies of about 50 missing reports -- which shows you who was really running the show and maintaining the most comprehensive coverage of the UFO subject (it was NOT Wright-Pat). According to the FOIA expert on the history of CIRVIS/JANAP, Bob Todd, the reporting instructions began in WW2 and the first JANAP 146 was in July 1948 but did not include UFO's or Unconventional Aircraft. These were CIRMIS (Communications Instructions for Reporting Military Intelligence Sightings). In Sept 1950, UFO's were first included in the revision called JANAP-146(A), as "Unconventional Aircraft" (if I recall correctly), and CIRMIS was changed to CIRVIS. You might ask Bob what is the current or latest known successor to the CIRVIS and JANAP-146. >Ruppelt did criticize the Air Force publicly on several >occasions concern their investigations after he left the USAF. >Did he perhaps hope that he might be recalled to lead a new, >better investigation? Perhaps this was also the purpose of his >book. This is a very perceptive and excellent interpretation. Yes I think Ruppelt was hoping his book would make the case for his return to head up Project Blue Book or something better. Notice that if that is so, the purpose of the book wasn't to reveal cases to help support ETH but to help support the need for investigation perhaps with Ruppelt at the helm. There's a difference. Also, Ruppelt was all over the map on UFOs, sometimes >depending on with whom he was talking. When Halstead visited >with him he said one thing and another to the press. Ruppelt was caustically anti-UFO in his private papers, with no one holding a gun to his head making him call Keyhoe "Psycho" or making him utter other anti-UFO comments or making him suppress pro-ETH belief which is nowhere to be found in his papers.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Ruppelt the Liar? From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 15:49:29 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:03:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Ruppelt the Liar? There is a grave error in this previous posting. To wit, ATIC was not under the USAF Directorate of Intelligence (DI). As pointed out by Brad Sparks (see below) and others the reorganization which formed the Air Technical Intelligence Center out of the Intelligence Division of Air Materiel Command (AMC) put the Center under DI and removed it from AMC. Therefore, General Cabell was the boss! The forerunner to ATIC, the Intelligence Division, and before that T-2 were AMC staff, but did have the special relationship with Air Force HQ intelligence previously mentioned, but were part of AMC. > 4) ATIC was in a funny position. The ATIC was part of AMC >although the Directorate of Intelligence considered ATIC in a >special relationship as field unit of DI. Even so, unless your >name is Patton or Hollingsworth you don't go firing people in >commands run by a superior officers. I have discussed staff >and command relationships elsewhere. Basically, staff "pukes," >as one commander put it, are not important.They are adjuncts >of the commander. The important relationships are commander to >commander. Staff officers exercise supervision--not command--in >their areas of expertise. Now if Cabell wanted to clean people >out of ATIC, he might have gotten with personnel to reassign >people at ATIC, but not without first taking the matter up with >the AMC commander in a back channel. In his own office, >obviously, he is the authority to move or fire people as >required. (It also goes without saying that superior staff >have their commander's ear, so you cross them at your own >peril.) (Perhaps there is something, I haven't seen here. >Was ATIC actually under DI in a command relationship? Was >it simply attached to AMC at the time? It seems that has >to be answered. I did see a memo concerning the "special >relationship" with DI as a field unit, but was that formalized? >Gad, you have to copy everything you see, because there is no >telling when it will show up as something important.) Brad Sparks comments: When ATIC was established in May 1951, it became part of AF Intelligence and the intelligence community for the "first time" in the history of it and its predecessors, according to the FTD's 1967 history. Prior to that time T-2 and AMC's Intell Dept were part of the R&D side of the Air Force. Thus, Watson came directly under AF Director of Intelligence Gen C. P. Cabell for the "first time" in May 1951 and within a month Watson was transferred out. As you say, if Cabell had been dissatisfied with Watson prior to that time, he would have had to take it up with AMC's commander. But now he could fire or transfer Watson on his own. I think the last straw was when Great Falls UFO filmer Nicholas Mariana filed a libel suit on May 4, 1951, against Hearst publications for a vicious anti-UFO article that prominently quoted the anti-UFO Watson. - Jan Aldrich Project 1947 P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA Telephone: (860) 546-9135
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:14:12 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:48:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:23:50 -0400 >Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:50:40 -0400 >Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:04 EDT >>Subject: Captain E.J. Smith >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>In the realm of interesting coincidences, is everyone aware that >>Captain E.J. Smith was the name of the captain of the Titanic >>and the name of the United Airlines who reported one of the >>first flying saucer sightings by an airline pilot? I attach no >>significance to this, it was just something I noticed. > > >Amusing. >I suppose we could say that both have had the effect of >partially negating human hubris: Titanic Smith for demonstrating >the effect of excessive pride/arrogance in human accomplishment >and United Airlines Smith in demonstrating that humans may not >be the center of the universe after all. Hi All, I would have thought someone by now would have pointed out the differing first names. Titanic's Captain was EDWARD J. Smith and I think the UFO witness was Captain EMIL J. Smith. Who knows what the middle initials stood for? No doubt somebody will retort "who cares?" Much more interesting to me is the reported publication of a novel in 1898 called The Wreck of the Titan by Morgan Robertson which supposedly foretold the fate of the similarly-named Titanic 14 years in advance. Within ufology, Kenneth Arnold was fond of pointing out odd coincidences.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 5-7-99 From: Rense E-News <jocelyn@dewittec.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:19:18 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:55:10 -0400 Subject: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * 5-7-99 * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * The Week Ahead 5-9-99 thru 5-15-99 Guests, Announcements, Week's Top Stories From sightings.com Jeff Rense E-News is distributed exclusively by Free Subscription. ___________ ANNOUNCEMENT!! sightings.com and Jeff have a new address! Now you can also go to http://www.jeffrense.com as well ___________ * From Jeff's Desk * The end of the US/NATO war on Yugoslavia now appears to be in sight: "Russia on Thursday put its signature to a demand for an international security force in Kosovo with a United Nations Security Council mandate under Chapter Seven of the U.N. Charter, authorizing the use of force." (www.russiatoday.com) In spite of Mr. Yeltsin's tough talk about 'Slavic brotherhood' and his energetic anti-US/NATO rhetoric about the slaughter in Yugoslavia, it seems that it was little more than noise...playing to the home town crowd which was about to impeach him. Some are wondering how much money was pledged to the foundering Russian economy to keep Russia firmly on the sidelines? Or, as others suggest, has Russia, all along, been nothing more than a lap dog, or card-carrying member of the NWO? This could explain the impunity of the US/NATO assault on the Serbs. It seems several things are being 'accomplished' with the war on Yugoslavia: 1. The testing on live humans, and a multitude of hard targets, of the latest hi-tech weapons and gadgets of destruction in which said test results are often recorded live on videotape, monitored by AWACS crews, and observed from satellites above. 2. The delivery of approximately $100 billion (US) in bomb and missile damage to the country...and the resulting $100 billion in reconstruction contracts to be given to chosen contractors in Europe and the US. Contracts for everything from new hospitals and tv broadcast equipment to bridges across the Danube will be available and 'up for bid.' (And where will that $100 billion come from? Do you suppose the international bankers might just 'loan' the Serbian government $100 billion...at interest...to pay for the rebuilding of its own country? And what about collateral security for the loans? How about the Trepca mines? Or other Serbian natural resources and economic assets?) 3. The exposition and revelation that the great Russian Bear, at least under the stewardship of Mr. Yeltsin, is either dead... nothing much more than a large rug on the NWO living room floor... or is now firmly tethered and muzzled by debt to the international money barons who divide and conquer essentially at will. Here is a sample of one widely-published 'pro-Serb' view: From: TiM GW Bulletins <bulletins@truthinmedia.org> From: Bob Djurdjevic <bobdj@djurdjevic.com> "BONN, May 6 - Predictably, the New World Order quisling, Boris Yeltsin, and his "designated hitter" for the Balkans, Victor Chernomyrdin, have stabbed the Serbs in the back today. As some leaders of the so-called G-8 countries (all NATO, except for Russia and Japan) proclaimed a "breakthrough" in supposedly arriving at a common position with respect to their "solution" to NATO's war on Serbia, the only thing the Serbs have to look forward to is more NATO bombs; this time with Russia's tacit acquiescence. Save for a Yeltsin government's overthrow. Sadly, no surprise there. The same "Russia" (meaning the NWO quisling Yeltsin government) also back-stabbed the Serbs in Bosnia. Anybody still remember that sly and wily Vitaly Churkin - Yeltsin's "Bosnia Chernomyrdin? (This writer met the SOB on one of his trips to Bosnia during that civil war. Churkin's "NWO liberal" stench filled the room, so the meeting was short and sweet, as TiM editor walked out). Or does anyone still remember Churkin's boss, Andrei Kozyrev, Russia's former foreign minister, who probably still holds the world record in kissing the NWO posteriors in New York and Washington? Or how that very same Chernomyrdin, who has now sold the Serbs down the river, also betrayed Russia in the Chechnya conflict interests when he was Yeltsin's prime minister?" <snip> "In other words, all those 1,200 Serb civilians and an unspecified number of Yugoslav Army casualties have died in vain. All the 5,000 Serb civilians, many of whom have been crippled for life by NATO, won't even get an apology from the would-be world masters. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: The 2nd Face On Mars From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 18:18:56 PDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:03:55 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars >>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:22:59 -0400 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The 2nd Face On Mars <snip> >>As I have pointed out many times, including in my article in UFO >>Magazine on "The Face" Martian geology is somewhat unusual, and >>one cannot judge the "probability" or the "artificiality" of >>features on the basis of intuition or even superficial knowledge >>of terrestrial geology. The extensive presence of permafrost, >>the absence of vegetation, the unusual volcanism, the differing >>level of gravity, the ages within which wind has been able to >>work on the terrain - all create highly unusual features by >>terrestrial standards. >Dear Mark and Nathan. >As a child, I walked past the same large mud puddle on the way >to school daily. >As it dried, the surface broke into nearly perfect hexagons and >pentagons, with deep cracks separating the "tiles" of silt! >It looked so "artificial", that I had to stop and wonder about >it. >I'm sure there are numerous other examples of nature imitating >artifice. >Best wishes >- Larry Hatch Hi all, Here in Australia's state of Tasmania there are the 'Tessilated Steps' that you would swear must have been intelligently laid. They are, however, a good example of one strata very neatly and squarly intruded by a volcanic upwelling. Erosion has now left behind thousands of square metres of wonderful paving right on the beach. Regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:19:32 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:02:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 05:19:13 EDT >Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:42:44 -0400 >Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:18 -0400 >>Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:38:51 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On >>>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On Line >>>Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:53:28 -0700 Thanks for the very informative comments of Brad Sparks and Bruce Maccabee on the skeptical papers of Scheaffer and Klass. Here are some comments of my own. The cornerstone of Sheaffer's attack on the Trent photos is that the Trents, for incomprehensible reasons, supposedly lied about the time of day and the date when the photos were taken (never explaining why they would need to do that to pull off a hoax). According to Sheaffer (but later refuted by Maccabee) the shadowing on the garage and lighting of the oil tank against the garage could only arise from a direct morning sun, not from lighting after sunset, as the Trents claimed. In other words, the shadowing and lighting is the reverse of what one would intuitively expect. Maccabee's thesis, however, is that light scattered off of cumulous clouds to the east could account for the shadowing as well. Scheaffer and Klass countered that weather records from McMinnville showed that the weather was completely clear, therefore Maccabee's argument won't work. However Sparks just noted that S&K first of all misread the McMinnville weather records, which actually showed there might have been up to 10% cloud cover at the time. And more much more seriously, they _deliberately_ omitted more complete weather records from nearby Salem, only 17 miles east of the Trent farm, which _prove_ that there were cumulous clouds to the east at the exact same time that the Trents claimed the sighting took place. That's a Klassic skeptical tactic. If there is contrary evidence, simply ignore it. How common is the reverse shadowing shown in the Trent photos? Let me give an example illustrating that such conditions aren't unusual at all. About a month ago while driving north on Interstate 5 between L.A. and San Francisco, I started talking about the Trent case with my wife. It was late in the day, about one hour before sunset. It had been storming all day, and there were still scattered showers. To the west and overhead were dark rain clouds, but to the east the sky was mostly clear with scattered cumulous clouds. Although direct light from the sun was completely blocked by the storm clouds, sunlight passed over the storm clouds and scattered off the cumulous clouds to the east. As a result, the sky to the east was actually brighter than to the west. To continue, as I'm discussing the Trent case with my wife, I noticed that we seemed to be in a similar situation where the normal lighting was reversed. We started looking at the shadows cast by other cars and trucks. Sure enough, the shadows were backwards. Instead of falling opposite to the sun, they were falling on the same side as the sun. The shadows were pale, as one would expect because of the very diffuse lighting out in the open, but they were distinct and reversed. Five minutes later we drove beyond the storm clouds. Now we were in direct sunlight and dark shadows fell to the east, like good shadows late in the day are supposed to do. But only a few miles away, we had been in reverse lighting conditions and got anomalous shadowing instead. That's another reason why those Salem weather records are so important. Lighting conditions can change dramatically in a space of only a few miles, as in my example. The Trent farm was not in McMinnville proper. It was 12 miles southwest of town out in the country and almost due west of Salem. Local weather conditions could have been quite different on the Trent farm compared to those in downtown McMinnville. If Trent had taken those photos in the evening at the time given, the sun had just set and would have been below the horizon. All lighting would have been necessarily indirect. Objects such as the garage rafters and the oil tank would be additionally shaded from any residual scattered sunlight to the west. However, any clouds to the east would be high enough up to still catch the rays of the just-set sun and would create an eastern source of illumination. That's how the rafters and eaves could cast very distinct shadows on the eastern wall of the garage, and how the aluminum-painted oil tank could be brightly lit on the top but have dark shadows at the bottom. Direct sunlight isn't necessary. I visited the Trent site one year ago, and when I got back home I conducted a simple experiment. I took a short 2 X 4 and leaned it against the eastern wall of my house. That was my model rafter. An aluminum ice cream tub was my model of the oil tank. On the same day (May 11) and at the same time of day as the Trents said the photos were taken, I also took some photos of my "rafter" and "oil tank." By chance, reverse lighting conditions similar to those I later experienced on the interstate were at work. It had been raining, and there were dark storm clouds to the east again blocking any residual sunlight from the setting sun. But overhead and to the east, north, and south, there were scattered clouds reflecting sunlight that was passing over the western storm clouds. These were very diffuse lighting conditions, yet the pictures show a very distinct shadow cast on the eastern wall by the 2 x 4, something that Sheaffer said couldn't happen. The ice cream tub showed a bright sheen on the top and shadowing underneath, just like in the Trent photos. But according to Sheaffer, that should only happen in bright direct sunlight. Obviously not. Don't buy that? Then how about the following flaw in Sheaffer's reasoning? If the Trent photos really had been taken in the morning in direct sunlight, as Sheaffer and Klass claim, then there should be additional evidence of harsh shadows on other objects in the photos. How about that power pole across the street in photo 1, e.g., or the pine tree further in the distance just to the left of the pole? However, when I run luminance histograms on the left (west) and right (east) side of these objects, there is virtually no discernible difference at all. Maybe the east sides have histograms that are every so slightly skewed toward lighter shades. We're talking maybe a few percent brighter on average, but that's about it. Obviously the illumination is indirect and very diffuse on these objects out in the open, unsheltered by a garage wall from any lighting to the west. Shadowing is almost nonexistent. But according to Sheaffer, it was morning, the sun was shining brightly in the east to account for the shading of eaves and oil tank by the garage wall. If that were the case, then where are the strong shadows on that power pole and pine tree? Shouldn't they be strongly illuminated on the east side and strongly shadowed on the west side? Like Brad Sparks pointed out, Sheaffer is not exactly consistent in his reasoning. And so it goes with all of Sheaffer's objections to the Trent photos. They are internally inconsistent, sometimes downright preposterous. The low contrast and bright underside of the "saucer" is supposedly due to Trent making a greasy smear on the camera lens with his finger, causing scattering of light from light areas into dark areas. OK, but why isn't the oil tank similarly affected? In the real world, smeared lenses don't selectively operate on only one object in the photo and leave another one alone. Every point in the image is the result of light rays passing through the entirety of the lens -- basic optics. And wouldn't lens smear result in indistinct edges to various objects, like that saucer and oil tank? In the real world yes. But in the Trent photos, the edges tend to be very crisp, giving no hint of lens smear. Sheaffer's article also mentions some other skeptic's theory. Trent supposedly made his saucer out of a car mirror, so that bright underside is reflecting light from that bright ground illuminated by that bright morning sun. Maybe Sheaffer isn't familiar with western Oregon, but it rains there an awful lot. When I was there April 30, everything was lush and dark green, including the grass in the Trent's back yard that is supposed to be reflecting that bright light up to the mirror. For comparison, look at the Trent photos and pay attention to the field across the road that was also covered with grass. Notice just how dark it is relative to everything else. Obviously the notion that the model hoax saucer was brightly lit on the bottom from reflection off the ground is preposterous. Here's another Sheafferism. Trent supposedly swung his model in a pendulum fashion to get that edge-on profile in photo 2. Really? Then how does Sheaffer explain the fact that the saucer is LOWER in photo 2? Shouldn't a model swinging UP be higher? However, the saucer being lower in photo 2 is entirely consistent with the Trents' story of the saucer's motion. It was beginning to move off into the distance, they said. That alone would lower the angle of elevation if the object maintained a roughly constant altitude. And that's what the photos show. Maybe Sheaffer will now hypothesize that the fiendishly clever Trent deliberately lowered his model for the second photo before swinging it in order to keep it consistent with his carefully concocted story. Oh, and Sheaffer even seems to know exactly how many suspension threads Trent used. Two says Sheaffer. How exactly did Sheaffer determine that? Nobody has ever found any evidence of threads in either photo, even when the negatives are examined under a microscope, or computers are used to enhance the images. Sheaffer's two threads are imaginary, just like his claims elsewhere of finding a thread "knot" on the power line Trent allegedly tied his model to. Sheaffer's "knot" is nothing but a obvious photo defect, present in one photo but not the other. If it were really there, shouldn't it be in both photos? Many similar small dark spots are seen elsewhere in these photos, photo defects one and all. One, e.g., also shows up on a power line across the road, 150 feet from where Trent allegedly hung his model. Is this where Trent attached that second thread? What a genius that Trent was! So my final response to Keith Woodward is that Sheaffer's updated article isn't going to put an end to that "Trent thing," because his arguments are largely nonsensical. And those that might have some merit simply fall apart upon close examination.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:29:27 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:05:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:04 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>He demonstrated the death ray to Mussolini by having him fly a >>plane over and then have the pilot bail out. Tesla then shot the >>plane down with his death ray... the forerunner of today's laser >>beam... He took it to the Navy first, but they didn't want it... >>Why? >Huh? Laser? Prove it. Bruce...I would suggest you do as I and others have done, look it up for yourself...Then you won't have to say such things to me... Why do those of us who have put forth the effort to research this have to "prove it?" Try the Tessla Society...that is where I got my information. >>He proved that Einstein's theory of Relativity or E=MC2 was not >>correct. >Is that so, then "how come" it works? It works simply because Science, with it's limited view of reality, wants it to work. This way they can lie to humanity and keep a straight face...it's called 'dumbing down humanity'.<g> >>That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >>from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >>being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >>to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? >Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he >measured this? Again without bothering to dig this information out for the third time in six months, I refer you to the Tesla Society. Some people did keep track of his discoveries... They didn't feel the need to "lock away" his inventions from humanity...pull it out little by little and feed it back to us as new scientific discovery... If there truly was a Scientist and a Genius, it was Nikola Tesla, Not Albert Einstein. Sheesh...talk about people wearing blinders.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:44:02 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:10:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:08:43 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >>From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] ><snip> >>I wouldn't understate what Tesla has given the world in >>advancements by saying; 'each time you see a transformer of a >>telephone pole think "Tesla"'. I would state more in the line; >>'Each time you see a electric bill, think what could had been if >>Tesla had his way. Free power.'.< >Free power? I believe Tesla wanted to transmit power "through >the air" to receivers everywhere... _but_... that power had >to be generated... and paid for... at the source. Not "free. You are correct. The transmitting stations would have had to be built in a network around the world...this would have required money...and there were the receivers...they would have been sold to the public...but there would not have been the continuous draining of the pocketbooks by greedy industrialists. New homes, new receivers. Upkeep on the transmitting equipment and continuous improvement as the technology developed... the masses would have had to pay... but not as they do today. >Westinghouse realized that he couldn't make any money on power >transmitted through the atmosphere....but could make money on >power lines, so didn't support Tesla's "atmosphere" power >transmission. Westinghouse was a greedy industrialist. He couldn't make money fast enough...Nor could he spend it. He and his fellow industrialists are responsible, not only for the jobs which people "bondage" themselves to, but also for the poverty and war in the undeveloped nations as well as the Develped nations... Warmongers every one of them. Warring against the "little" man...if no one else. Waring against anyone who might prove to be competitors...aren't you proud to associate yourself with them? >Incidently, it is my opinion that if the Tesla power >transmission system had become operational... it would have >generated too much electrical (radio frequency) noise for the >weak signals from the original radio transmitters to be detected >by the early receivers which were not very frequency selective. >Hence it seems to me possible that if Tesla's power system had >been developed we might not have radio (or at least it wouldn't >have begun as early in the 20th century as it did) Not so...there would have been transmission stations spaced evenly along the grid and thus the amount of power transmitted would not have to been as great from station to station as they would if only two or three had been erected. But you miss one important point. He had already realized that the most effecient method of transmission was through the earth's crust itself. Had he been allowed to continue with his development of this system, we would not have all the line noise we preceive as we drive our cars along rural roads and attempt to listen to AM radio signals. As far as radio goes, You seem to forget that Tesla was the inventor of this device, Not Marconi. He already knew of Am and FM frequencies. He would have taken care of that in due time...but he didn't get the opportunity, did he??? As far as AM radio goes, it sucks... A person surrounded by metal buildings cannot receive it anyway... thus we are stuck with FM... which limits the selection of information based on the programing of the stations around us. Where I live, we don't get the Information Radio Programs on FM... only on AM... so Talk Radio is kept from me during my working hours. Yet, thanks to audio tape, I still manage to listen to many of the radio programs which are not being sucked into the deception generated by the forces who's aim is to instigate rebellion among the youth of our nation and create situations such as Littleton, Colorado... As one person likes to say: Wake UP America!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:58:01 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:31:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil >To: Mike Christo <mchristo@mindspring.com> >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> >Subject: c raised to the 27th power >Hi Mike, >Looks like you (or Tesla) are in trouble with Bruce! One trouble with >raising the speed of light to the 27th power is that one can only raise a >pure number to a power. The speed of light has dimensions of speed, >therefore the answer you get when raising it to a power depends upon what >units you use for it to produce the number that you raise to that power -- >miles per hour, feet per second, cm/sec or Seems as though my mail was cut off here Jim. But, I don't care if I am in trouble with Bruce. Tesla can speak for himself, even from the grave. His works have been documented and they can be gotten from the Tesla Society. There are several books, which I have which document the works he has preformed. I appoligize to no one for helping bring his work back to the light of day. I am not, Jim, as you well know, a scientist, but I am not a dumb-ass either. <G> Please forgive my French. <g> I get so tired of so called "experts," trying to force feed us their version of reality, when I for one know there are others. It is time we brought those realities back to life... Thanks for the message Jim...Nice to hear from you. REgards, Mike
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Filer's Files #18 - 1999 From: Ed Fouche <fouche@connecti.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:27:29 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:37:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Filer's Files #18 - 1999 >From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:13:32 EDT >Subject: Filer's Files #18 - 1999 >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Filer's Files #18 --1999, MUFON Skywatch Investigations >George A. Filer, Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director, >May 7, 1999, Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020 >RHODE ISLAND UFO WITH OMEGA TRIANGLE >Dennis reports that on February 15, 1999, a triangle passed >overhead heading west to east while he was driving on Route 138 >north of Woodville. He lost sight of it due to the trees. A >few days later, on February 20, he and his wife were sitting in >their sunroom at 11:40 PM. They were watching a fox feed on >bread they had put outside, when a craft appeared heading in a >southerly direction. They stepped out on the porch for a closer >look. Dennis states, "The craft passed over us silently, >slowly, steadily and very low. The underside of it was dimly >lighted by a hazy white light, thus making it possible to see >the logo. The logo was a triangle edged in yellow containing >the Earth being struck by two lightning bolts with the number >'1' in the right hand corner. As it approached, a feeling of >serenity and calm came over us making it a wonderful feeling to >watch as it passed overhead. I estimate the speed of the craft >at five to ten miles and hour. The size was approximately 40 >feet in length and forty feet wide at the rear of the craft with >the nose of the craft forming a point. The craft looked similar >to a Stealth fighter, however it was a much large plane. The >altitude of the craft was about one hundred feet, I repeat >there was not a sound from the craft and id did not even create >a breeze. I would appreciate any answers you might have to as >what this craft is or who it belongs to." Thanks to Dennis >Bossack. > >Editors Note: I have spent several hours on the phone >interviewing Dennis who states the logo or insignia was five >feet in diameter and at the front was the Omega symbol. The two >lightning strikes that penetrate Earth begin at the 11 and 1 >o'clock position. A similar lightning symbol was used by Roman >soldiers conquering ancient Britain. The lightning strikes could >infer a discharge of atmospheric electricity or perhaps >intentions of colonizing Earth. We are also receiving strange >communications from someone claiming to be Robert Omega. The >Bossack's are respectable home owners mystified by this >sighting. Seems strange that a 5 feet wide logo would be on a 40 feet wide triangular craft. Also 40 feet wide does not make it 'much larger' than the F-117 Stealth Fighter. Ed Fouche
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:01:53 -0300 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:42:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 02:38:29 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: Sighting in Manaus, Amazonia, Brazil >>From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >>Subject: Sighting in Manaus >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:18:16 -0300 >>A boy told that he is watching UFOs every days in a district of >>Manaus, Amazona's Capital, where he lives with her godmother and >>his children. ><snip> >>The UFOs always show up at 06:50 Pm and 07:30 Pm, every day. >Hola Thiago, >If this is true, then it should be easy to set up photographic >equipment and capture video/photographs of the objects for >analysis. Is anyone doing so? Hello John, Yes, there's a UFO Reserach Group in Amazonas is doing the reserachers.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Sue Kovios <bradford@globalserve.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:46:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:48:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' <snip> >I have a confession - I made that up about Walters. I have no >axe to grind with him. My point here is that it's easy to >dismiss someone off-the-cuff as a "whacko" just because their >belief or experience base is different that what "conventional >wisdom" holds. <snip> >We're told that the Chinese spies were "just recently" found out >at Los Alamos..yet that activity has been going on for over a >year..and the Clinton admin turned a deaf ear and didn't want to >know about it, even when a whistleblower tried and tried and >tried to get the administration to do something. >We're told that two "militia" dissidents used a truck full of >fertilizer to bring down the Murrah building in OKC. Never mind >the FBI doesn't pursue the third "john doe" suspect, or that >ammonium nitrate _cannot_ do the kind of damage that the Murrah >building sustained, which had all the signatures of C-4 on the >columns. Never mind that Hoppy Heidlberg was dismissed from the >grand jury because he wanted to do independent investigation but >the judge wouldn't allow it, since it would call into serious >question the FBI "party line". The Govt was sure in a hurry to >bulldoze the building even though there was still independent >investigation going on of the rubble, just like at Waco. >I could go on and on and on, but you get the idea here. <snip> >There are allegations that when Tesla died in the early 40's, a >boxcar load of his papers were confiscated by the FBI and sent >to Los Alamos. <snip> >Don Well to keep the ball rolling, perhaps since the Tesla Museum is in Belgrade, NATO bombs the Chinese Embassy because they are too close to Tesla's inventions, our friendly gardener-looking Chinese 'spy' from Los Alamos is supposedly leaking secrets to China, and the Tesla records are stored in Los Alamos, well then do we have something here? The scenarios boggle the mind, but if the mind can create such scenarios, are we fantasy-prone, lunatics to think in such a fashion, or on the right track? And usually if someone doesn't want you to know the truth, they won't even consider the latter. And in reference to the Murrah building in Oklahoma, I caught a report (which was never to be broadcast again) that stated the FBI collected all surveillance camera tapes in the area 'minutes' after the bombing. I also have on record the report (never to be broadcast again) that the Russians were going to spill the beans on what was really going on at Area 51 because a couple of their comrads were found to be human guinea pigs. And what about the Chinese given immunity in the US from their inhumane 'Unit 731' experiments on POWs, girls, etc. in China? What has the US gotten in return? Who's working for whom, and who's telling the truth. Is anybody keeping score? Why does it take 50 years to find something out that is still considered an atrocity today? Our reactions can only be delayed for so long, until the gravity of the situation is lessened by the fact that we know there is now nothing we can do to stop the lies, or the then truths. I agree our education system lies to us to a degree. We are not taught about nuclear weapons, the Cold War, what is really going on at the moment nor the deception of politics by our leaders. We learn that through the media. Heaven forbid we should think badly of those in control of our lives, direction, destiny, and thought processes. Would we turn into savages because we can't handle the truth? The truth seems too well laid out at times to be anything but a lie, hiding another truth. Oh geez, I'm rambling. Don't get me going on stuff like this. My mind starts spinning like a top. Oh yeah, where did that invention come from? Alien technology? :) I would like to meet the person who has
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Web Site Updated [Roy Hale] From: Sue Kovios <bradford@globalserve.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:17:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:51:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Web Site Updated [Roy Hale] >From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> >To: UFO UpDates - <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Web Site Updated >Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:33:55 +0100 >Just to tell you that more images have been put on the Gallery >page amongst others on my web-site: >http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale.index.html >Regards, >Roy.. Should have been a / after hale, not a period. Try instead: http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale/index.html Either my server was being slow or the pictures in the gallery and elsewhere are hugeamongous. It took forever to load a page. Sue
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Bob YoungYoungBob2@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:07:57 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:02:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith Kevin: >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:59:32 EDT >Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >To: updates@globalserve.net >Hi Bob, all- >>One part of the story is the mysterious light of a ship which >>sat nearby but never came close (not the California). Capt. >>Smith was reported to have said up in the ship's bridge that he >>thought it was a star. I once put the date and time in an >>astronomy computer program and found that Venus, the "Queen of >>UFOs", was only a couple degrees above the horizon. So, this is >>not so off-topic after all. >I wondered about Venus in all this and if some who saw lights >might have been looking at the planet, though the wreck occurred >at 11:40 p.m. and the light was seen until the Titanic sank at, >what, 2:20 a.m. >Besides, the Californian reported seeing the Titanic (though her >skipper denied it), the bridge watch saw the distress rockets >being fired, and they saw the ship seem to slowly disappear. >Clearly the Californian was in a position to render aid and did >not. >So, the conclusion must be that Venus might have been visible, >it does not explain the Californian's role in the disaster, or >rather lack of a role. The ship was there and could have saved >those left with no lifeboats.> >As for the number of survivors outnumbering the number who were >on the ship, I've often wondered if there were "fake" survivors. >Of course, the passenger lists do exist, the names of the >rescued were carefully collected so that someone claiming to >have survived the wreck would have to explain why his or her >name was not on those lists. Yiikes. I never thought of that - of course - the fake Titanic survivors must have been planted by J. P. Morgan as part of the cover up. Hmm. Venus wouldn't have been visible at 10:30, since it was at Western Elongation (in the morning sky, west of the Sun). I think that I checked its location in the early morning hours, 2 or 3 AM, when it would have been visible at the horizon for people in boats. You must be working on a book about the boat? Clear skies (and no ice), Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 A Truth Seeker Goes To Roswell From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:38:28 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:03:24 -0400 Subject: A Truth Seeker Goes To Roswell Source -http://www.trufax.org/lyne/roswell.html A TRUTH SEEKER GOES TO ROSWELL =A91997,Wm.R.Lyne In late June, 1997, I was pleased to receive an invitation from Bonnie Lange of Truth Seeker to be their guest at the 50th anniversary festival of the "Roswell Incident"....which I call "The Roswell Hoax". It was an intriguing proposition...me with my "interolerable view"...provided with an opportunity to stand toe-to-toe (yet on unequal footing) with the UFOlogy-alien theory "biggies"...whom I call OSI/CIA BIG LIARS...right in the womb of their initial hoax. What could I do, what could I say? I accepted, of course. My host had given me a hotel room at the Roswell Inn, with the provision that my room was also to serve as a video interview room by the Truth Seeker videographer, Ron Garner. I was anxious to meet Garner and the other people of the Truth Seeker contingency, especially Bonnie Lange, and was disappointed that she decided not to come. I was glad to be involved, since Truth Seeker literature stated a set of premises which were consistent with my own thinking. I knew that, since no intellectual match is ever perfect, there might be someone in the contingency who might not exactly see eye-to-eye with me or the Truth Seeker philosophy, but didn=92t expect total contradiction. There are always parasitical opportunists who will attach themselves to a group to hitch a free ride for their undisclosed agenda at a host=92s expense. That has certainly never been my approach, as I enjoy nothing so little is being with people who don=92t desire my company, but I knew of one group which does that as a matter of twisted principle, if you can call it that. I had my reservations about the probability for success of this involvement for Truth Seeker, in terms of what they hoped to accomplish, since the whole scenario, in order to be of value to them, would have to be investigative. I had the distinct experience of four years of attempting to penetrate the OSI/CIA barriers with what my Santa Fe friend, Fred, calls my "attempt to spread sanity". I could see that, as an apparently non-Secret-Government-backed group, Truth Seeker might meet strong opposition...even sabotage...by "them". As the day approached for me to head out to Roswell, I contemplated the situation in relation to my position: While I have usually been able to step into a strange environment and spot the immediate inconsistencies, as a Disbeliever in the alien theory, I am perceived by the hard core UFOlogy leaders as "the enemy". While the presence of "Alienists" among free thinkers is tolerated, Alienists do not usually extend the same degree of fairness and brevity to those with whom they disagree, muchless to an arch enemy like myself. From my viewpoint, a CIA-employed "sceptic" like Philip Klass is not in "my camp", because the conditions of his employment forbid him from admitting the existence of man-made electro-propulsive flying saucers. I knew that, in fact, Klass is the primary protagonist of one side of a two-pronged strategy designed specifically to conceal this exclusively man-made technology. Klass never denied his CIA employment, and neither did the =91fathers=92 of the "alien flying saucers" movement of the 1950's. Those who fail to understand how this two-pronged strategy...employing the (pseudo-) "Sceptics" and (pseudo) "Believers"--- to lead the two packs of dupes and suckers...was created by, and is controlled by the CIA, or to understand why I encounter equal opposition from both these government-orchestrated groups. The dupes of Klass have attempted to misrepresent me to be a member of the "Believer" class, while those of the Believer class have attempted to misrepresent me as a member of the "Klass Class". I am the only major figure who does not, and will not, work for the government, so the leaders of both groups make sure I am excluded from debates, because they will only mention, cite, or address the fantasies and people they create. Klass is just as much a kook for denying the existence of flying saucers as the Believers are in their insistence on the presence of aliens. The house of Klass is made of glass. The so-called "sceptics" of CSICOP (Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, headed by Klass) are not true sceptics, but rather a clandestinely controlled false propaganda operation of the OSI (Office of Scientific Intelligence, a branch of the CIA=92s Science Directorate under its Clandestine Services, Operations Division). Their operations within the continental U.S. are illegal. Their job is the evaluation of conditions, collection of intelligence, and dissemination of disinformation, in a program designed primarily to conceal the reality of and technology behind man-made flying saucers. The UFOlogists are a branch of their operations. A true sceptic---in the original sense, as elucidated by the parallel writings of Valmiki, of ancient India, and Socrates, of ancient Greece---should question everything. CSICOP supports the official government denial of the existence of man-made electro-propulsive flying saucers, and is a covert creation of the government---involving the CIA, the Smithsonian Institution, the National Science Foundation, etc. The only thing they are =91skeptical=92 of are the assertions of the Alien Believers---spawned by the government=92s own 1947 Roswell press releases---and the assertions of the other paranormalists also =91designed=92 by covert government operatives. This at best is pseudo-scepticism, at worst, a massive criminal fraud perpetrated by the government upon the people. True sceptics have never been the conscious catspaws of clandestine government controllers. "In this corner we have the officially designated =91divergent thinkers=92---Kevin Randall, Don Schmitt, Linda Moulton Howe, etc.---and in this corner we have the =91sceptics=92---led by the King=92s own Philip Klass". So what=92s wrong with this picture? Could we identify Valmiki or his creation, Prince Rama, of his novel, The Ramayana, with Klass, who is employed by the CIA? Never. The Chamberlain=92s similar secret machinations were exposed by Valmiki=92s heroes. In the thousands of years since, nothing seems to have changed, except today, the Chamberlain=92s agents masquerade as self-styled "sceptics", "truth-seekers", or "paranormalists" who believe in "aliens", ghosts, and psychic phenomena. These things were in my mind when I was invited to Roswell, and I naively thought Truth Seeker magazine intended to expose them. On the sweltering afternoon of July 2, 1997, I loaded up my 28-year-old Chevy pickup and headed out for Roswell. I pulled into the Roswell Inn some time after 5:00 P.M., parked, and entered the lobby to check in. The hotel was as busy as a beehive. Amidst a small crowd near the desk, I spotted Jim, a man I mention in my book as "the M.I.B.", who intensively trained "The Two"---Marshall Herff Applewhite and Bonnie Sue Nettles---in late 1972 to early 1973---in a house in Santa Fe the threesome shared for about three months. A tall man I didn=92t recognize, with dark hair, stood by Jim, who was wearing a freaky western hat which had what appeared to be a greenish, flowery-patterned chiffon scarf draped around the crown. My presence shocked Jim, while his attire shocked me. I am one of a very few people who could establish Jim=92s earliest involvement with the Heaven=92s Gate =91suicide cult=92, discussed to some degree on pages 115-120 in my book, Space Aliens From the Pentagon. I also knew that Jim had a law degree from the University of Denver, was a =91retired=92 colonel who had been in Air Force Intelligence, like myself. Since Jim immediately attempted to hide his face, we didn=92t speak. The tall, dark-headed man left the area, and I passed Jim and approached the desk, signed in, and went to my room. Though several of my friends and I had known Jim for some time, none of us were permitted into the house during the mysterious training, or were told the nature of the training Jim was giving "The Two". We initially thought it was some sort of kinky sex thing. I had briefly encountered the threesome while they were out for coffee, and had momentarily entered the house with a friend only once during the training period, when only Jim was present. Ever since the 1997 Heaven=92s Gate incident, Jim has pretended to =91disappear=92, as reported by the Santa Fe and Albuquerque papers. Having known Jim for over 25 years, I was well-versed on his various beliefs, including the Gurdjieff/Synergist teachings. That group had targeted me on several occasions, especially since I had exposed their undisclosed agenda, twisted philosophy, and unethical tactics. Add to this their CIA/OSI connections and misinformation agenda. It was not until 1975 or so that I became aware primarily through news articles that Jim had trained the Two as tools of the OSI/CIA=92s alien scenario. That conclusion was borne out by the fact that Jim had written a couple of news articles in 1975 about how a friend of his had joined the cult, but was careful to conceal the fact that he had intensively trained the leaders of the cult for three months in Santa Fe in 1972. In 1977, on learning that I had been studying petroglyphs with the intention of writing a book, Jim came to my house and attempted to hire me to write books saying the petroglyphs were the writings of extraterrestrials. He said the publishing arrangements were already set up in Sedona, and that I would enjoy instant success through promotions and distribution, if I accepted. Not only did I reject the (OSI) offer, but asserted my intent to publish my flying saucer book---a project which Jim was already aware of. Jim then threatened to cause harm to me should I publish my saucer book. I was a little shocked that Jim had the gall to come to my house as a supposed "friend" and suggest that I write fraudulent books for the CIA, then to threaten me with harm if I exercised my freedom of the press and of speech by publishing my book. Though dismayed by such threats by such a puny guy, little did I realize that I would subsequently be subjected to the covert power he and his associates wielded. Ever since that time, and the numerous events which followed, our =91friendship=92 deteriorated. I would see Jim often, but any discussion or attempt at politeness was overshadowed by the secret knowledge that we both had. It was apparent that Jim was especially uncomfortable due to my presence at the Roswell gathering. After checking into my room, I called Ron Garner, and we both headed for the lobby to meet. On seeing Garner, I recognized him as the man I=92d just seen with Jim, which probably explained Jim=92s extreme discomfort. I said nothing to Garner about it, and took him to my room so he could examine it as a potential video interview room. When we returned to the lobby, I told Ron that the man I identified as an M.I.B. in my book was present in the lobby. He asked me to point him out so he could get some video footage of him, but when I pointed out Jim, Ron became disturbed. He soon took his leave, and avoided me for the rest of the conference, never contacting me again, or seeking to use my room for interviews. Toward the end of the conference, I spoke briefly with him, and asked him if he got the video footage of the "M.I.B.". He pretended that he didn=92t know who the man was. That was implausible, because you couldn=92t miss Jim with such a weird hat, which was apparently a covert means of instant identification of Jim, by his intelligence operative peers and CIA-employed phonies, from within the crowd. On meeting some others of the Truth Seeker contingency a day or so later, I was surprised to learn that Ron had engaged them in behind-the-scenes discussions about me, the morning after my arrival, regarding my views on Gurdjieff, his teachings, and the Synergy cult. Since I hadn=92t discussed any of this with anyone at the conference except Jim, years before, I assumed that Ron=92s objections were based on Jim=92s objections, since the two were obviously connected. This shouldn=92t have surprised me, since Jim had interfered in my life on many occasions in the past. In fact, he had been connected with the naturopath I mention in my book, who had attempted to murder me with arsenic, and almost succeeded. The naturopath was a strong Gurdjieff/Synergy cultist. The cult is featured very strongly in my unpublished manuscript entitled The Mystical Roots of Totalitarianism. I had become aware that Jim had become especially paranoid lately because I identified him in my 1993 first edition of Space Aliens as the CIA/OSI connection to the cult which committed mass suicide in 1997. Jim was apparently in fear that I would go public, and because of his continued tampering, I did go public. In my Synergy manuscript, I detail how the cultists believe that they are especially entitled to appropriate and use the resources of others in pursuit of a "higher purpose", defined only by them, pursuant to the "collective consciousness" teachings of Gurdjieff. I became a target of the cult when I blew the cover on their infiltration of an arts group I headed in 1977-78, called Free Art Forum. The cult is especially attracted to the destruction of individualistic groups, which they see as their primary enemies and competitors, so they infiltrate them, render them inneffective through the introduction of immiscible contradictions, and take over and use their resources in pursuit of their synergistic totalitarian goals. The cult typically uses a "divide-and-conquer" strategy based on the Spartan "flying wedge". I had attempted to block their infiltration and appropriation of my group, but they succeeded in getting control, just as the grant which funded it was about to expire. After their take-over, the group degenerated and was destroyed from within by the Synergists=92 own vicious in-fighting. The State of New Mexico then offered me a grant for twice the amount of the original one---$250,000---but I turned it down because the state and federal government had refused to protect me from the Gurdjieff group, as I eventually burned out from the social turmoil they created. Besides, I had initially been conned into becoming a partner in the grant under the false promise that I wouldn=92t be dealing with the government. I am philosophically opposed to the government=92s involvment in the arts, per se, or in any other private cultural activities of the people. True to form, Jim had made his book offer to me just as he learned of my involvement in the grant, and was to draw me out of it, so the Synergy group---some of whom had already been hired by my partner---could take it over immediately. I battled along, continueing to control the group until the grant period expired, with tremendous wear and tear on my nerves, with the Synergists rightfully blaming me for their failure to make what was left of the group work for their "purposes". Soon after the end of Free Art Forum, Jim had learned through covert contact with my girlfriend, that I had discovered his covert contact with my father in Arizona, after which my father had come to New Mexico and tried to convince me never to discuss flying saucers again, which was astounding to me at the time, until I discovered Jim=92s involvement. Thinking my father had disobeyed him, by telling me of his threats, Jim arranged through the CIA/OSI, for my parents to lose their business. The fact was, I had discovered Jim=92s contact with my father through an independent witness. I subsequently learned from a clothing dealer who knew my parents, and who was angered and dismayed by the unjust loss of their hard-earned business, that one of their clients in Tucson---Joseph ("Papa Joe") Bonnano, the Mafia chieftain, who coincidentally owned a Tucson dress shop---retaliated against the clothing manufacturers who had been induced by the CIA to terminate my parents=92 business, because he liked my parents, and "smelled a rat=92. The buyers dropped the clothing lines in protest, and the manufacturers lost millions for following the CIA=92s orders. Justice can come in strange form sometime, but the CIA hasn=92t gotten what is coming to them yet. As the conference progressed, I observed the effects of disappointment growing among the Truth Seeker contingency. The major portion of the crowd which showed up was not of the big spender variety. As I saw it, the stated goals of Truth Seeker was in conflict with some of the material in their catalogue, especially where it played into the CIA-orchestrated "alien" scenario. For example, I immediately recognized the material of Zachiariah Sitchin as a continuation of Gurdjieff=92s Beelzebub stories, the same as those taught to an 8-year-old Adolph Hitler by the Cisternian monk, Joseph Lantz, at Lambach Abbey in 1907, which were reflected in the script of the movie Stargate. It also followed the OSI strategy in the offer made to me by Jim in 1977. Several questions arose in my mind: If Garner=92s objections to my involvement with Truth Seeker was based on his adherence to Gurdjieff=92s teachings, was Truth Seeker being targeted for takeover by the Synergy cult? Was I being "separated out" by the "flying wedge" of Garner, because I was threatening to undo the cult=92s efforts? That would certainly upset Jim, as I had observed. Did Jim know I was being hosted by Truth Seekers before my arrival, or did he learn about it from Ron? Since my appearance seemed to come as a complete and devastating surprise to Jim, was it because he knew that I, of all people, could figure the latest scam-in-progress out? Ron=92s objections based on the Gurdjieff stuff indicated either that Jim had manipulated Ron through those beliefs, or that they were of common interest between Jim and Ron, and that Jim feared I would blow their cover. After all, hadn=92t Sitchin written the same kind of books that the CIA had attempted to recruit me to write in 1977, and weren=92t they often published in Santa Fe or Sedona? Did they really think they could convert the Truth Seeker idea to a Gurdjieff one? If so, they would have to change the name to "Big Lie Seeker". Such a conversion would make the Truth Seeker goals only a fake shell eaten out by the Synergy roaches, to be used as a facade to entrap more prey. The Truth Seeker movement was barely getting off the ground in the current era, so a takeover by the Synergists would nip it in the bud. By my second day at the gathering, I was already effectively ostracized from the major portion of the group, except for the two writers, David Sielaff and Paul Tice, whom I had met at the UFO Enigma Museum. John Price, head of the museum, wouldn=92t sell my books, so I joined the two writers at a table in the back room. They seemed congenial and I detected no conflict with them. I made the best of the moment. Ahh...there I was at the dusty little museum, standing not more than three feet from Linda Moulton Howe, a UFOlogy "biggie", as she discussed "the aliens" with a Mr. Heik, with the same kind of familiarity as one might expect a believer in the Tooth Fairy to describe the kind of shoes he wears. Though in plain sight, the total invisibility with which Howe regarded me, indicated that she not only knew who I was, but also that I knew what she was, and that her pretense was transparent to me. Unless she knew she was lying, she would never have graduated from Stanford. At the Truth Seeker booth at the Roswell Convention Center, the available chairs were occupied by the secretary, the shipping clerk, and astrologer Louis Turi, who used the only other chair and a table for his clients, so I milled about and made contact with some interesting people. Ron Garner had avoided me like the plague since the first evening. After learning of his character assassination of me behind my back the next morning, the negative behavior of several others associated with the group seemed explainable. After being snubbed by three of the contingency---Garner, the secretary, and the shipping clerk---and several associates, it seemed that my ostracism had become final by my second day there, over something I hadn=92t discussed, and which should have been anathema to Truth Seeker. Did they not know? Had it been up to me, the secretary and shipping clerk would have remained in San Diego to hold down business. Louis Turi would have had his own booth, since there seemed to be no obvious connection between "truth" and "astrology, though Turi was more polite at least. If I had been provided with a good camera, I could have done a better job than Ron, because I would have "sought the truth", rather than to satisfy the false =91synergy=92 premise. I would have been willing to assist with loading/unloading the van. With a good industrial camera, I would have gotten some valuable footage. It didn=92t seem appropriate that the behavior of a secretary and shipping clerk, provoked by an =91outside=92 videographer, were controlling the fate of the operation. The Synergists, like the Hitler they spawned, always strike for weakness, as true sociopaths. Meanwhile, I wondered if the only strong members of the group remaining---Sielaff and Tice---would eventually succomb to the Synergy garbage. In my unsuccessful efforts to reach Bonnie after the event, all my calls were unreturned, and all I received was silence, except for a short note attached to an invoice, telling me the venture was a downer for them. The questions loomed in my mind: Had I blustered into a Synergy takeover of Truth Seeker, and had Jim and Ron succeeded in driving another "flying wedge" through the group, in attempt to cut off another possible outlet for valuable information? The Synergists are opposed to individuality, and will use "latitudinal" arguments and strategy to motivate their prey. That is where the CIA got the tactic. In fact, Gurdjieff had privately tutored Mao Zedong, Stalin, Alfred Rosenberg, Karl Haushoffer, Dietrich Eckhardt, and many others of the totalitarian mind. These teaching had been the basis of the Communist movements of Mao and Stalin, as well as that of the Nazis. The Nazi troop management manual, authored by Ernst Roehm---also a student of Gurdjieff---had found its way into U.S. armed forces policy, when the official Nazi manual was adopted by the U.S. Congress in the 1950's, as the official U.S. troop management manual. The general policy is recognized today as the "principal of group identity", which is a direct translation of the "collective consciousness" doctrine of Gurdjieff, as espoused by Captain Ernst Roehm, "Father of the Brownshirts", the bully-boys responsible for Krystallnacht in the Nazi rise to power. Since scapegoating is a typical tactic of the Synergists, I could expect an attempt back in San Diego to create and heighten a sense of failure of the venture, and to misplace blame for the lack of success somehow on me. This would mean that a heavy trip would be laid on me to Bonnie Lange. Whether this was another divide-and-conquer/takeover maneuver, only time would tell. A short time after the Roswell debacle, I tried to warn Bonnie Lange about the Synergists, and she assured me everything was "under control". Soon afterward, she offered me an opportunity to write a series of articles about Tesla=92s technology in today=92s world. Truth Seeker was also supposed to sell my book and advertise it in their catalogue. I finished and submitted the first installation of my series of articles, and Bonnie accepted and praised it, with some editorial cutting by her staff. She said it would be published in the magazine, and would also be published on their internet website. I waited patiently for news that the article had been published. In January, 1998, I got on the internet and opened a website of my own. In browsing the Truth Seeker site, I not only failed to find my article, or the catalogueing of my book, but also noticed that the Synergy people had become a prominent =91partner=92 in their organization. That, to me, meant that the Synergists had taken over Truth Seeker. This of course appeared to explain the reversal of policy, and the exclusion of my book and article without notice to me. It also raises the possibility for exercise of racketeering laws. It is sad to see an old American institution, formerly associated with such powerful individualists as Mark Twain, Robert G. Ingersoll, and Ayn Rand, being taken over by the enemy. With a stated purpose which was, among other things, intended "...to elevate and emancipate the human race", and was opposed to "...everything that degrades or burdens mankind mentally or physically", the organization was selling out its birthright to synergistic totalitarianism, which is diametrically opposed to everything they (previously) stood for. When they entered that door, they became the ultimate hypocrisy, selling the CIA-backed lies about "aliens", while pretending to be "seekers of truth". Under the internet "freethought" links of the Truth Seekers, I was saddened and appalled by the creepy Synergy groups=92 featuring of sleazy "Japanimation" porn cartoons, clearly appealing to sick pedophiles, with illustrations of things like child sex -snuff, torture, bondage, and sadism. This misrepresents and effectively smears the idea of freethought, falsely equating it with pedophilia, sadism, child sexual abuse, torture, and murder. This clearly wasn=92t opposed to "everything that degrades or burdens mankind mentally or physically". Since when have the secret cravings of sex criminals been elevated to the level of "...brave new thoughts". Why not feature some saucy sex scenes from the torture chambers of Treblinka or Dachau while they=92re at it? Oh yes...some starkly graphic recreations of the spicy escapades of that well-known "free thinker", Jeffrey Daumer, shouldn=92t be left out either! It=92s a good thing this group doesn=92t hold an exclusive franchise on that thing called "free thought". I must be a little old fashioned for continueing to believe that someone should say what they mean, and mean what they say. When someone starts out as a Truth Seeker, and ends up repeating the same OLD TIRED BIG LIES as the rest of the gang, they have lost their way, and are nothing but a hypocrite. What this Truth Seeker found was a dissappointment of lies and hypocrisy. Only the "biggie" alien liars of UFOlogy were invited to speak at the Roswell conference. Naturally, I was not considered, even in a debate, because they must control both sides of it. The speakers charged the usual exorbitant fees---which bore a direct proportionality to the amount of false propaganda Big Brother had expended on their operations, for their presentations. In retrospect, I should have taken up a position on the sidewalk, with a stack of my books and a sign which said: "FREE SPEECH HERE: WHY PAY TO HEAR A ONE-SIDED STORY? YOU CAN GET THE OTHER SIDE HERE FOR FREE. MEANWHILE, MY BOOK IS FOR SALE." ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 02:08:35 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:55:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 02:49:05 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Thu, 06 May 99 17:33:17 PDT >>>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 >>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Patient and gentle listfolk, <snip> >I personally witnessed a craft in Albuquerque in 1974, that had >all the earmarks of a "corona field" around the craft, in broad >daylight. > >Don Don: Can we discuss that craft in Albuquerque? 1) Exact date (or as close as you can get) ? 2) Time of Day? (ditto) 3) Shape/form/color of craft? 4) Apparent size? 4.5) Were there any clouds? If so, did the object travel beneath them? 5) Direction of travel when first seen, when last seen? (i.e. its heading, as opposed to which part of the sky you saw it in.) 6) Description of "corona field" and other special effects noticed if any? 7) Duration of observation? 8) Estimated number of witnesses? 9) Which part of town were you in, and which way were you looking when you first (and last) saw it? (as opposed to #5) 10) Was there any news coverage or other notice taken that you know of? Regards
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Summation of Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 04:22:55 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:07:28 -0400 Subject: Summation of Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity An excerpt from: Occult Ether Physics William R. Lyne Creatopia Productions ISBN 0-9637467-6-6 http://www.trufax.org/lyne/lyne.html ** begin excerpt ** Pages 67-80 ============================================================== TESLA'S DYNAMIC THEORY OF GRAVITY According to Tesla's lecture prepared for the Institute of Immigrant Welfare (May. 12, 1938), his "Dynamic Theory of Gravity" was one of two far reaching discoveries, which he "...worked out in all details", in the years 1893 and 1894. The 1938 lecture was less than five years before his death. More complete statements concerning these discoveries can only be gleaned from scattered and sparse sources, because the papers of Tesla are concealed in government vaults for "national security" reasons. When I specifically asked for these papers at the "National Security Research Center" - now the "Robert J. Oppenheimer Research Center" - in 1979, I was denied access because they were classified, even though on that same day I discovered the plans for the hydrogen bomb on an open shelf, and told a Harvard graduate student about it later in the day at a Santa Fe restaurant. The guy went to Los Alamos, copied the plans, and wrote an expose at Harvard. In his 1938 lecture, Tesla said he was progressing with the work, and hoped to give the theory to the world "very soon", so it was clearly his intent to "give it to the world", as soon as he had completed his secret developments. The "two great discoveries" to which Tesla referred, were: 1. The Dynamic Theory of Gravity - which assumed a field of force which accounts for the motions of bodies in space; assumption of this field of force dispenses with the concept of space curvature (ala Einstein); the ether has an indispensable function in the phenomena (of universal gravity, inertia, momentum, and movement of heavenly bodies, as well as all atomic and molecular matter); and, 2. Environmental Energy - the Discovery of a new physical Truth: there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment. The usual Tesla birthday announcement - on his 79th birthday (1935) - Tesla made a brief reference to the theory saying it applies to molecules and atoms as well as to the largest heavenly bodies, and to "...all matter in the universe in any phase of its existence from its very formation to its ultimate disintegration". Those imbued with relativist theory often refer to "pure energy" in some "form", but there is no such thing, since "energy" is an abstract "ability" which is always in the future. Who's to say what "form" is "pure", and what form is not? My favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, said. "In reality, there are no contradictions. Things are what they are irrespective as to whether we know it or not. Check your premises." If the term "energy" is only a convenient abstraction, then it does not exist in physical form, and really describes the potential to perform work as a by-product of matter and electromagnetic radiation in perpetual motion, some of the force of which has been diverted through a path where it performs the desired work, as it goes on its merry way through the universe. Every change of form of either matter or radiation involves the "work" which induces the change, or the "work" which is induced by the change. Without work there is no change, but all work is ultimately the product of the universe in perpetual, self-sustaining motion, as a rule and not an exception. As for Tesla's theory, we have hints, such as, that the earth is the "star of human birth". In poetic expressions, he hid scientific meanings in statements such as, that using the "thunderbolt of Jove" (the Indo-European sky god), man "annihilates time and space", an allusion to the use of electro-propulsion ("thunderbolts"), to travel so fast, that time and space are "annihilated". Where the government has stolen his papers, we must search for meaning elsewhere. In an article, "Man's Greatest Achievement", Tesla outlined his Dynamic Theory of Gravity in poetic form (as paraphrased by me): * That the luminiferous ether fills all space * That the ether is acted upon by the life-giving creative force * That the ether is thrown into "infinitesimal whirls" ("micro helices") at near the speed of light, becoming ponderable matter * That when the force subsides and motion ceases, matter reverts to the ether (a form of "atomic decay") That man can harness these processes, to: -Precipitate matter from the ether -Create whatever he wants with the matter and energy derived -Alter the earth's size -Control earth's seasons (weather control) -Guide earth's path through the Universe, like a space ship -Cause the collisions of planets to produce new suns and stars, heat, and light -Originate and develop life in infinite forms Tesla was referring to unlimited energy, derived from the environment. Several of his major free energy discoveries have been the exclusive stolen property of our Secret Government. The conversion of energy to a stronger force - electropulsion - used to control the much weaker gravity force, would accomplish more work in the same amount of time, and produce "over unity" results. Some of Telsa's unusual conceptualization of the ether had been nonetheless expounded piecemeal, in his preceding 1890's lectures. He later railed against the limited and erroneous theories of Maxwell, Hertz, Lorentz, and Einstein. Tesla's ether was neither the "solid" ether with the "tenuity of steel" of Maxwell and Hertz, nor the half-hearted, entrained, gaseous ether of Lorentz. Tesla's ether consisted of "carriers immersed in an insulating fluid", which filled all space. Its properties varied according to relative movement, the presence of mass, and the electric and magnetic environment. Tesla's ether was rigidified by rapidly varying electrostatic forces, and was thereby involved in gravitational effects, inertia, and momentum, especially in the space near earth, since, as explained by Tesla, the earth is "...like a charged metal ball moving through space", which creates the enormous, rapidly varying electrostatic forces which diminish in intensity with the square of the distance from earth, just like gravity. Since the direction of propagation radiates from the earth, the so-called force of gravity is toward earth. Tesla commenced to complete his Dynamic Theory of Gravity at the same approximate period of time that his experimental results and theories had been revealed in the three lectures, often illustrated with demonstrations using Tesla-invented equipment, as revealed in the following eight excerpts, in pertinent part (emphasis mine): 1. "The most probable medium filling the space is one consisting of independent carriers immersed in an insulating fluid". 2. "In his experiments he dwells first on some phenomena produced by electrostatic force, which he considers in the light of modern theories to be the most important force in nature for us to investigate." 3. "He illustrates how mechanical motions are produced by a varying electrostatic force acting through a gaseous medium." 4. "One of the most interesting results arrived at in pursuing these experiments, is the demonstration of the fact that a gaseous medium upon which vibration is impressed by rapid changes of electrostatic potential, is rigid". 5. "If through this medium enormous electrostatic stresses are assumed to act, which vary rapidly in intensity, it would allow the motion of a body through it, yet it would be rigid and elastic, although the fluid itself might be devoid of these properties". 6. "...on the assumption that the independent carriers are of any configuration such that the fluid resistance to motion in one direction is greater than in another, a stress of that nature would cause the carriers to arrange themselves in groups, since they would turn to each other their sides of the greatest electrical density, in which position the fluid resistance to approach would be smaller than to receding." 7. "If in a medium of the above characteristics a brush would be formed by a steady potential, an exchange of the carriers would go on continuously, and there would be less carriers per unit volume in the brush than in the space at some distance from the electrode, this corresponding to rarefaction". 8. "If the potentials were rapidly changing, the result would be very different; the higher the frequency of the pulses, the slower would be the exchange of carriers; finally, the motion of translation through measurable space would cease and, with a sufficiently high frequency and intensity of the stress, the carriers would be drawn towards the electrode, and compression would result." The eight above excerpts are further reducible to the following four statements pertinent to electro-propulsion technology: 1. Mechanical motions can be produced by varying electrostatic force acting through a gaseous (ether) medium, which thereby becomes rigidifled, yet allows solid bodies to pass through. 2. Under influence of stress in one direction (under the polarizing influence of light or heat), the carriers may group together, forming tubes of force, creating greater ease of movement in that direction. 3. When a (D.C.) brush is created by a steady potential, a continuous exchange of carriers is created corresponding to ether rarefaction, as the tubes of force are drawn into the conductor. 4. With a sufficiently high frequency and stress intensity in the opposite direction, carrier exchange is blocked by ether compression, forcing the tubes of force to dissolve in the conductors of the ship, imparting electromagnetic momentum. The system, using the two kinds of potentials (D.C. and A.C.), is known as "p2". The steady potential of the brush creates the required exchange of carriers, 'rarifying' (stretching) the elastic, rigidified medium (composed of the carriers immersed in the insulating fluid) in advance of the ship, as the high frequency A.C. to the rear compresses them, blocking exchange from the rear, dissolving the tubes of force (my "microhelices"), creating instant momentum, normal to the surface (which is at right angles to the electric and magnetic fields). In 1884, John Henry Poynting's theorem had been that the flux of energy at any place is represented by the vector product of the electric and magnetic forces, multiplied by C/4(pi symbol) 3rd power. This implied that forces in a conductor could be transformed there into other forms. In 1893, J. J. Thomson stated practically the same thing, saying "...the aether is itself the vehicle of mechanical momentum, of amount (l/4 (pi symbol)C (D*B) per unit volume. (Using e.-s. Units for D and E and e.-m. Units for B and H.) E = electrical force D = electrical displacement H = magnetic force B = magnetic induction Heinrich Hertz's theory was that two systems of varying current should exert a ponderomotive force on each other due to the variations. Tesla's disagreement was apparently based on the fact that he proved that the "ponderomotive force" is due not to mere "varying currents"; but to rarefaction and compression of the ether carriers, respectively, produced by different kinds of currents (D.C., A.C., rapidly varying electrostatic). J.J. Thomson had extensively developed the theory of the moving tubes of force, both magnetic and electric, saying that the magnetic effect was a secondary one created by the movement of electric tubes, and assumed: * that tubes exist everywhere in space, either in closed circuits or terminating on atoms; * that electric force becomes perceivable only when electric tubes have greater tendency to lie in one direction; * that in a steady magnetic field, positive and negative tubes may move in opposite directions with equal velocity; * that a beam of light is a group of electric tubes moving at C at right angles to their length (providing a good explanation for polarization of the plane of rotation). Tesla said his "dirigible torpedo" would fly at a maximum 300 miles per second, perhaps since its forward velocity would be some maximum fraction of C. Thomson's later publishings on this subject followed Tesla's 1891 lectures before the Royal Society in London, and appear to shed light on Tesla's work, stating: * that a ponderomotive force is exerted on a conductor carrying electric current, consisting of a transfer of mechanical momentum from the agent which exerts the force to the body which experiences it; * that, if moving tubes entering a conductor are dissolved in it, mechanical momentum is given to the conductor; * that such momentum must be at right angles to the tube and to the magnetic induction; * that momentum stored in a unit volume of the field is proportional to the vector product of electric and magnetic vectors. "Thomson's" "Electromagnetic Momentum" hypothesis was later developed by H. Poincare' and by M. Abraham. By 1910, it was said that the consequence of these pronouncements left three alternatives: 1. Modify the theory to reduce to zero the resultant force on an element of free aether (as with Maxwell, Hertz, and Einstein); 2. Assume the force sets aether in motion (as with Helmholtz); 3. Accept the principle that aether is the vehicle of mechanical momentum of amount [D*B] per unit volume (as with Poynting and J. J. Thomson). Whittaker's greatest error was in omitting Tesla's theory entirely. After Tesla's experiments verified it, right in front of the esteemed members of the "Royal Academy", the "three (later) alternatives" were moot, and a new law existed, that of Tesla. Tesla's Secrecy Due to his pacifist sympathies, Tesla originally contemplated giving his electric flying machine to the Geneva Convention or League of Nations, for use in 'policing the world' to prevent war. Later disillusioned after WWI with the collapse of the League, he said he'd "...underestimated man's combative capacity". In 1919, his reason for increased secrecy emerged in an interview with Frederick M. Kerby, for "Resolution" magazine, while discussing a "three-hour" airplane between New York and London: "...we have here the appalling prospect of a war between nations at a distance of thousands of miles, with weapons so destructive and demoralizing that the world could not endure them. That is why there must be no more war." With the government's spurning of his defense suggestions, Tesla's only recourse was to withhold his secrets from the world, and to dissuade discovery in their direction. In 1929, Tesla ridiculed Heinrich Hertz's 1887-89 experiments purportedly proving the Maxwellian "structureless" ether filling all space, "of inconceivable tenuity yet solid and possessed of rigidity incomparably greater than the hardest steel". Tesla's arguments were to the contrary, saying he had always believed in a "gaseous" ether in which he had observed waves more akin to sound waves. He recounted how he had developed a "new form of vacuum tube" in 1896 (which I call the "Tesla bulb"), "...capable of being charged to any desired potential, and operated it with effective pressures of about 4,000,000 volts." He described how purplish coronal discharges about the bulb when in use, verified the existence of "particles smaller than air", and a gas so light that an earth-sized volume would weigh only 1/20 pound. He further said sound waves moved at the velocity of light through this medium. Tesla mentioned using his special tube to investigate cosmic rays, saying that when its emanations were impinged upon a target material, radioactive emissions resulted, and that radioactive bodies were simply "targets" continuously bombarded by "infinitesimal bullets projected from all parts of the universe", without which "all radioactivity would cease." His description of these "bullets" was similar to the ZPR. On Apr. 15, 1932, Tesla said Einstein's theory regarding changing matter into force, and force into matter, was "absurd". He compared this to the difference between body and mind, saying force is a "...function of matter", and that, just as a mind could not exist without a body, "...without matter, there can be no force." On Sept. 11, 1932 (New York Herald Tribune), Tesla derided the Maxwellian/Hertzian ether, while saying that higher frequency waves "...follow the curvature of the earth and bend around obstacles", yet in an Apr. 8, 1934 New York Times letter, said that short waves for "power purposes" of the 'wireless art', were inappropriate, and that power will travel in "long waves". His 1929 attack on the Maxwellian/Hertzian ether theory - 39 years afterward, during the advent of Relativism - seemed relevant only to his concealed theory, not to disclose it or promote it, but to conceal it. THE NATURE OF ELECTRICITY What were the old ether physicists referring to when they attempted to describe "an incompressible, perfect fluid"? What would a "perfect fluid" do? It would be able to "wet" everything it came into contact with, such as protons, and could flow everywhere without resistance. One "fluid" - the ether - could flow everywhere, and because of its density and ultra-fineness, nothing could stop it, and it felt no resistance, but only matter felt resistance, depending on the circumstances. Another fluid - electricity - could flow in certain places, and wet only certain things, but often met resistance. In order to understand the ether, we must get to know electricity more intimately. Just like water, a proton will hold only so much electricity on its surface, but the 'surface' of the proton is probably similar to the outer area of a ball-shaped swarm of hovering mechanical bees, powered by the ZPR, with a denser agglomeration of "bees" toward the 'ball's' center. If this swarm of bees is subjected to a wave of rainy mist (the etheric 'wind'), the bees must all turn to face into the etheric wind to maintain their formation. The 'water' droplets - electric sub-charges carried by the etheric wind - tend to agglomerate around the front side. Each bee, as he flaps his wings, will get wet only so much, so that excess 'water' is thrown off and carried to the next bee, or the next swarm of bees, by the etheric wind, and so forth, so that a 'current' of droplets continues to flow through the ball of bees due to its motion through the etheric wind, and transfers momentum between masses. The 'water' tends to come off in larger drops, which have formed from smaller droplets accumulated on each bee. As in fluid mechanics, the 'drop' size is the result of cohesiveness of the electric 'fluid', the surface area of each 'bee', and the space between each bee, all of which influences the final size of each larger 'drop' (the "electron") which accumulates enough to form it. If one were to mathematically analyze the flow of "drops" (i.e., "quanta") per mass unit, they would have an average rate of the flow of charges/cm3 of etheric wind, for the momentum, as determined by the "current" flow rate. Much like the bees, as a body (its many electrons, atoms, and molecules, with plenty of 'space' within and between) sits at rest on the earth, it moves at fantastic speed through the universal ether field, due to the earth's revolution, orbit, and other motions. In his 1891 A.I.E.E. lecture at Columbia College, Tesla said in pertinent part (emphasis mine): "What is electricity, and what is magnetism? "...We are now confident that electric and magnetic phenomena are attributable to the ether, and we are perhaps justified in saying that the effects of static electricity are effects of ether in motion". "...we may speak of electricity or of an electric condition, state or effect". "...we must distinguish two such effects, opposite in character neutralizing each other". "...for in a medium of the properties of the ether, we cannot possibly exert a strain, or produce a displacement or motion of any kind, without causing in the surrounding medium an equivalent and opposite effect." "...its condition determines the positive and negative character." "We know that it acts like an incompressible fluid;" "...the electro-magnetic theory of light and all facts observed teach us that electric and ether phenomena are identical." "The puzzling behavior of the ether as a solid to waves of light and heat, and as a fluid to the motion of bodies through it, is certainly explained in the most natural and satisfactory manner by assuming it to be in motion, as Sir William Thomson has suggested." "Nor can anyone prove that there are transverse ether waves emitted from an alternate current machine; to such slow disturbances, the ether, if at rest, may behave as a true fluid." In his statements, Tesla was balancing the various arguments in preparation for his decision: "...Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule." "...It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible: it must, therefore, be under some strain or in motion, and the latter is the most probable." Tesla therefore believed in an ether which was in motion relative to earth, because the earth is in motion. The thing which Tesla had realized, was that ether possesses electric charges which are deposited on atoms. In supporting the "dynamic" ether concept, he was supporting the "stationary ether" concept, since the "motion" he referred to was "apparent" motion of the ether perceived by an observer on earth, relative to a stationary ether. The importance of cosmic motion to the electromagnetic effects of static charges was brought up by Tesla in his lecture: "About fifteen years ago, Prof. Rowland demonstrated a most interesting and important fact, namely, that a static charge carried around produces the effects of an electric current." "...and conceiving the electrostatically charged molecules in motion, this experimental fact gives us a fair idea of magnetism. We can conceive lines or tubes of force which physically exist, being formed of rows of directed moving molecules; we can see that these lines must be closed, that they must tend to shorten and expand, etc. It likewise explains in a reasonable way, the most puzzling phenomenon of all, permanent magnetism, and, in general, has all the beauties of the Ampere theory without possessing the vital defect of the same, namely, the assumption of molecular currents. Without enlarging further upon the subject, I would say, that I look upon all electrostatic, current and magnetic phenomena as being due to electrostatic molecular forces." In these statements, Tesla showed he was aware that any "stationary" locale on earth is actually in fantastic motion ("70,000 mph"). The electrostatic charges "carried around" are currents between atoms and the ether, which produce magnetism. The phenomena of 'permanent magnetism' or 'cosmically induced' magnetism are apparently due to electrostatic charges 'carried around' by cosmic motion, in the universal ether field. Since no one can hold an atom or molecule perfectly still---because it is in fantastic motion---all atoms and molecules carry currents producing magnetic fields. Since a magnetic field is the product of a current, no one can produce a magnetic field without electricity, moving through or along a conductor, or as electrostatic charges in local or cosmic motion. Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity and MHD method of Spacial Electropulsion brought a cosmic crowning achievement to the works of Faraday, Wm. Thomson, J. J. Thomson, and Edmund Hall. CONCLUSION The ether is a universal medium, which fills all space. It appears to be "dynamic" relative to an earth moving thousands of miles per hour through space. The ether is normally electrically neutral, ultra-fine, and penetrates all solid matter. There is also an ultra high frequency, ubiquitous radiation, normally in equilibrium, called Zero Point Radiation ("ZPR"), which interpenetrates the ether, and represents electromagnetic radiation in its finest, densest form, which, in conjunction with the ether, conserves universal perpetual motion. The ether in conjunction with the ZPR, is the source of all matter and force. "Energy" does not exist in physical form, but is "the ability to do work", which is equal to "force over time". The word "energy" is a convenient fiction, like "time", which is an arbitrary measurement of the rate of motion of matter through ether-filled space. All events occur in the present, and the "past" and "future" are merely metaphors. Electromagnetic disturbances in the ether extract "energy" from the ZPR, which is explainable only by an ether theory. This "free energy", which is virtually unlimited, is universally at work, created by the perpetual motion of matter, and the perpetual exchange of stronger and weaker forces, through which the equilibrium of the universe is maintained, the sum total of all processes equaling zero. Since all solid matter is continually hurling through space, always in motion, it is always subjected to the "etheric wind" and ZPR interactions. These effects are not perceived except during changes in the orientation of mass or its velocity. All mass and space have dielectric properties. Differences in dielectric properties cause changes in the electromagnetic displacement within mass and the etheric wind. Earth's electric field creates dielectric displacement effects within ether and mass within earth's electric field. The difference between the dielectric displacement within a mass and the dielectric displacement outside the mass in the etheric wind, creates a down-force in the direction of the negative polarity, as the etheric wind 'blows' through a mass. This is called "gravity". Since all mass is in motion, all mass has momentum, even when apparently "at rest" relative to earth. Momentum is a body's resistance to change in its state of motion. Since inertia is also the resistance of a body to changes in its momentum, inertia and momentum are due to the same thing, the resistance of electromagnetic micro helical tubules to changes in velocity (and relative "pitch"), direction, and lateral motions or orientation. Since all space and mass is composed only of "electric content", momentum/inertia is electromagnetic in nature, and can be electromagnetically synthesized. All mass contains electrostatic charges, which when "carried around" in the ether/ZPR-filled space by celestial or 'local' movement, constitute currents. These currents actually flow between mass and the ether, and are integral to the mechanism by which momentum is imparted to mass in motion. The currents create magnetic fields as their equal-and-opposite counterparts, and give a rotatory motion to combined, bi-directional electric and magnetic fields and currents, around irrotational vacuous ether cores. This rotatory electromagnetic action creates momentum, as the force-free "screw-type" reaction within mass, creating its motion relative to the ether cores, from which the mechanical force is transferred to the atomic mass with which the electromagnetism is associated. Since these phenomena are electromagnetic in nature, they are synthesized by recreation of the electromagnetic conditions which a body would exhibit due to a particular kinetic state. Just as electromagnetic waves of low frequency can penetrate a body, waves of higher frequencies - above I.R. and below U.V.- can cause the ether to "assert its inertia resistance". The technology involves high voltage D.C. 'brush' currents, high frequency currents, rapidly varying electrostatic forces, and light/heat beams. The rapidly varying electrostatic forces "rarify" (stretch) the ether carriers, as the light/heat beams polarize the medium in the desired direction, as the D.C. brush currents induce the exchange of carriers, creating a vacuum in that direction, inducing motion. At the opposite end of the ship, high frequency currents draw the carriers through the ship, and creates a compression of the ether, as it penetrates the solid mass and synthesizes the rotatory micro helical tubules, which whirl around the ether cores along the polar axis, at a pitch corresponding to a particular rate of momentum. Since the strength of the electromagnetic interaction is 10/40 time greater than the gravitational interaction, that much more work can theoretically be done in the same time, using the same "energy". Since "seeing is believing", and I have seen, I believe. The behavior of man-made flying saucers proves the existence of these "free energy" inventions of Nikola Tesla, which show that he was right in his opposition to Relativism, and that the prevalent theories taught in the scientific institutions of the world are patently _fraudulent_. Consistent with the idea that "dynamite comes in small packages", this small book, along with my prior book, "Space Aliens From the Pentagon," initiates the rediscovery, reconstruction and publication of Nikola Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity and related electropulsion technology, the greatest invention of mankind. The Secret Government - a fraudulently concealed, unconstitutional, corporate-state entity - has heretofore controlled electropulsion technology by concealing it and other advanced free energy technology, on behalf of international, coercive, corporate-state monopolists. Electropulsive ships are concealed through "special effects", and "stealth technology" (also based on Nikola Tesla's inventions)- as they fly and hover in the sky, and by "psycho-political" means - the dissemination of false "alien" and "extraterrestrial origin" propaganda - through "UFOlogy" groups led by covert government agents. While official government spokesmen deny the existence of flying saucers, covert government agents, posing as "skeptics", "UFOlogists", and "paranormalists", engage the public's attention in a phony debate. The "skeptics" ridicule the UFOlogists and paranormalists, lumping them together with rational witnesses, as if "...to see a flying saucer" is as ridiculous as "...to see a ghost or alien". This phony debate based on false logic fits nicely into the overall cover-up system, designed to conceal "advanced human technology", not "alien" technology. The grip of this secret socio-economic dictatorship, depends on coercively extorted income, by forcing us to buy archaic fuel and power - which funds their control of our communications, political and monetary decisions, enforcement of unjust laws, regulations, and procedures expanding its powers, while limiting or excluding our individual human rights, and denying our access to information, materials, and technology which is ours because we paid for it with our taxes. Our access to the truth is necessary for our independence and survival as a free people. Despite the confusion, concealment, BIG LIES, and judicial and socio-economic abuse by the corporate state, we can resurrect the TRUTH, determine the correct technology, circumvent obstructions, and use our creative ingenuity to build these ships for ourselves, to free our society from the Secret Fascist Corpocracy. ** end excerpt ** --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Jet Crew Report Close Encounter With UFO From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 06:53:13 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:15:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Jet Crew Report Close Encounter With UFO I'm posting the following account by Clas Svahn of UFO Sweden with whom I have been jointly investigating the "UFO" reported by the pilot of a civil airliner over the North Sea. The full report can be found on UFO Sweden's excellent website: www.ufo.se ----- Some of you may have heard of or read about the incident with four commercial airliners involved that occured over Danish aerospace February 3rd 1999. According to newspapers in England the pilots saw a "red object moving rapidly and suddenly stopping before leaving, it was also seen on radar". The incident occured south west of Jylland, over the community of Ramme near Limfjorden. UFO-Sweden's investigation into the case includes contacts with Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS), two of the aircrafts were from SAS telephone conversations with Debonair (the airline which pilot filed the report) Danish Civil Aviation Authority and flight security department Swedish military radar experts Swedish astronomer who is an expert on Bolides and meteors Saab Military Aircraft (whos personell were onboard but did not see the light) and others. The Civil Aviation Authorithy faxed me the following narrative: "Unidentified bright light below BAe146 at FL280 (28.000 feet, 8.400 meters). Area below a/c illuminated for 10 seconds by incandescent light which was not considered by reporter to be an a/c landing light, Reporter stated three other a/c reported seeing it moving at high speed or static. ATC [at Kastrup, Copenhagen] informed but they reported no other a/c in vicinity. Five minutes later a radar return was present at 75 miles [120 kilometer] on [the aircrafts] weather radar. Atmospehere reported as stable and no other a/c were in vicinity." Since the time of the incident is not stated I have tried to establish that through different sources. According to Danish CAA the observation was made at 17.25 GMT (5.25 PM). It is clear that the report have been heavily exaggerated in English and Swedish media. The object was not, as stated in Dail Mirror I think, "large as a battleship". It was no object at all but a light shining on the see below the aircraft. During my conversations with professor Bertil Lindblad, authority on bolides, he confirms that they do leave a trail of ionized gas that reflects on radar behind. The time of observation (10 seconds) does also confirm that the object most likely was a bolide. The time frame between the observation and the radar return is however open to question. I have supplied the pilot from Debonair with a questionairy to get more accurate information on this matter. I have also sent the same questions to SAS who has promised me to give them to their pilots. I will continue my research into this matter. ----- I suggest the "big as a battleship" nonsense was directly borrowed from the clippings files of the Daily Mail and Daily Express by the reporters who wrote the original story. If you remember last April both stories carried the hoax story about the RAF tracking a UFO "as big as a battleship" travelling at 24,000 mph over the North Sea. Readers will remember the source of this yarn was a disgruntled former editor of RAF News who has since taken to selling fantastic and exaggerated UFO stories to an over eager national press. This has not stopped ufologists swallowing the hoax hook line and sinker - see for example Tony Dodd's new book Alien Investigator (Headline, London) page 229. How many other hoaxers are out there?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Howden Moor Case Online From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 06:56:58 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: Howden Moor Case Online IUN On-line Want to read the facts about the most controversial case in British UFOlogy over the last two years? Sick of hearing big claims from over-eager believers but never getting any hard evidence to back them up? Well now is the chance to read the full story of the Howden Moor Incident, and access information which ET believers have tried to cover-up For the first time the full and un-edited testimony of all the eyewitnesses, the police, mountain rescue and fire service personnel involved at the scene, and many others, is available in this lengthy investigation report. Here is the verbatim evidence of key witnesses and participants which the promoters of "the Sheffield Incident" tried to suppress. Read the evidence from the British Geological Survey, the RAF, the Ministry of Defence and the full transcript of questions asked in the House of Parliament which cracked the case open. Follow the complete South Yorkshire Police Major Incident Log minute by minute through the night as the incident unfolds, and see how the evidence for ET involvement crumbles. The newly re-formed Independent UFO Network's first in-depth investigation report has been posted online at the Picard UFO Centre's website and can be accessed at: http://www.pufori.org/articles/howden_moor/index_nf.htm and http://www.pufori.org/articles/howden_moor/index.htm Versions of the report will also be posted on the Magonia and IUN websites shortly. Ufology: delicious hot, disgusting cold.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Alfred's Odd Ode #302 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 08:35:18 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:22:59 -0400 Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #302 Apology to MW #302 (For May 7, 1999) Here's another happenstance that keeps the saucers back. It's watching us get way off beam, and surge way off our track. It's watching our distraction as it teases us to try what has _not_ one time, no, _never_ worked -- to keep the "proud blind eye". We make some kids out monsters! We shower them with hate! We say our prayers to punish them, but find it's much too late. They're dead and gone with those they took, and found this life distressing, as they reveled in their hot revenge a moments peaceful blessing? They frankly quite enjoyed themselves, I heard a witness say, they struck back from some depth we shan't explore -- where we won't pray! Much *cleaner* they're just *monster's* and they murdered glowing *saints* -- but just a small reflection, and that's not such sticky paint. And don't bore me with _dismissal_ that I JUSTIFY their actions. That "man of straw" shan't raise it's sullen head. It is _tragic_ that it ended in a shoot out from a movie that was poorly written, ignorant -- to _dread_. But _tragic_ , also, was the ground that made the *monsters* happen, that fed them on a diet they despised. Torment, persecution, a disrespect that they could _breath_. The jocks, say, *over bearing* as proscribed? There's the *In* crowd and the *Out* crowd, and the twain must somehow meet. As IT now is, it festers with elitist driven grief. Kids now live in terror of the "In" crowds retribution as it plies its _predilection _ for the common persecution. Our high schools ruled by *tyrants* is the awful, sordid truth(?) and not _completely_ innocent, those killed condoned abuse? How many's lived in torment of the proud athletic 'swaggers' as they strode the halls of high school -- landed *lords*. How many dissed their dweebies as the dog dirt on their shoes, as they shopped the malls in leisure playing loud, and fast, or loose. Survivors speak of "hatred" and an *in* crowd run amuck. Survivors speak of years of spiteful torment hard to truck. And not in isolation so infrequent they forgot, but _well_ ingrained and _usual_ and now LOOK what it's begot. It's all about the *different* when they _shall_ not fit the mold. It's all about *acceptance* that's withheld by haughty scolds. It's all about the *disrespect* that _some_ hold out to others when the others can't compete the way that _some_ can, I've discovered. Many live a hell on Earth to suit the whims of _few_. The high ground, few are holding, is unjust and way askew. Sports is well nigh worshiped as the providence of *some* that treat the rest as peasants -- like they're common garden scum. Slapped and stoned -- and bottles thrown for weeks and months and years. Mornings dread, "stay home instead", and fester with the fear. Hatch a plot to make them _pay_, the bullies find they _rue_ the day they slapped the kid with ears like handles, or treated harsh weird kids in sandals. You drove them to their dark cloth dusters -- kept them to their tiny clusters. You flicked their heads and thumped their hearts, and forced on them their crummy parts. You called them "pussies", "skanky hogs " you treated homely girls like dogs. You lived a life producing fear, and squeal, too loud, now you it spears! Lehmberg@snowhill.com James Neff over at sightings.com has a revealingly interesting, and likely _valid_ take on the Colorado tragedy, and school shootings in general. More should take a breath, screw up a little more REAL courage to have a look at it. A most casual application of personal honesty reveals its ring of truth. We create our own tragedy, misfortune, and disaster closing the proverbial door after the horses escape. The militant homosexual, numbing communist, and organized criminal et al are created in reaction to _similar_ stimulus. Add to that list, now, many of the kids shooting up our public schools. This kind of behavior would keep ME buried on the "dark side of the moon" -- _well_ back from any conclusive admission that I even existed. I would HIDE from us, but watch us very closely. So might conjectured watchers. It's all about respect for individuality, isn't it. And isn't it abundantly clear that the more of that one _has_ the greater and more efficacious the _total_ progression for _all_ concerned? Restore John Ford! -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 8 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:37:42 PDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:22:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 02:49:05 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>Date: Thu, 06 May 99 17:33:17 PDT >>>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:30:10 -0600 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:10 -0400 >>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Mr. Clark, >There are many instances in the world in which tyrants have run >free without so much as any kind of provocative action by NATO. >Congress did not vote on any bombing, until it was well into the >campaign. Prior to the bombs, the US had the KLA listed as a >terrorist group with known drug dealing connections. While I was >a bit sarcastic about some of my examples, the fact is there is >a basis for looking at what we're told versus what they do. >Yes, we have been dealing with Milosovic for quite some time and >no I don't condone what he's done with killing people. I hope that you will educate yourself on the long, tortured history of the West's efforts to deal with Milosevic, with whom we ought to have gone to war long ago, even as the West frantically sought to avoid that option; meantime, Milosevic's killers were acting with virtual impugnity as they conducted mass murder of Bosnians and others. All you can manage to say, significantly, is that you "don't condone" Milosevic's policy of slaughter, surely as feeble a criticism as could possibly be expressed. >I don't condone the bombing of innocent people, and their >workplaces, places of worship like NATO has done. They have not >limited the "precision bombing" to just military targets. The >circus regarding the capture of the three soldiers was pure >propaganda. It's "ok" for "us" to bomb Serbia, but the Serbs had >better "take care of our POWS". NATO has gone to extraordinary lengths not to hit civilian targets, probably to the detriment of its own mission. When NATO errs, as sadly is inevitable, it acknowledges its errors and apologizes for them. Presumably, if this were World War II, you would be criticizing Allied bombers for killing civilians in Axis countries, while ignoring, or only grudgingly acknowledging, the mass murder occurring on the ground in those murderous societies. On the other hand, Milosevic, with whom you seem to have only the slightest of quarrels, continues to deny the very existence of ethnic cleansing. According to the best estimates, Milosevic is responsible for at least 250,000 deaths and the displacement of hundreds of thousands more of his countrymen. That you continue to focus your attacks on NATO, the West, and the United States in the face of horrors like these tells us much about your own values, which frankly, for the sake of a better next century than this one has been, I hope few share. >There are many documented instances of our government supporting >dictators for it's own ends. It was our own government that made >it possible for Saddam Hussein to possess and develop >biochemical weapons. It was the CIA who has conducted drug >running operations, carried out mind control on it's own >citizens under MK-Ultra and other ops. It was factions of our >govt that traded drugs for arms in the Iran-Contra affair. And these crimes were exposed by our free press and Congress, and many of those responsible were either prosecuted or ruined professionally. No government, even a free government, is perfect, which is why the architect of American democracy, Thomas Jefferson, warned that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. The difference between a free society and the unfree ones for which you apologize is not that the former never does wrong, but that mechanisms exist for exposure, protest, reform, and prosecution against these wrongs. Power corrupts in free societies just as it does in police states. As someone who vigorously and actively protested U.S. involvement in Vietnam, I am all too aware of how it works. The absence of Serbian protest against mass murder in Kosovo tells us in itself what we need to know about the distinction between a free society and one ruled by oppression and terror. >There is a 1994 Rockefeller report which investigated the >military's experimentation of dosing it's own members with >harmful chemicals. You can read about that here - >http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/rockrep.cfm Again, the point is not that power is not corrupted even in a free society, but that these abuses can be exposed and wrongs can be righted and misguided (or even criminal) policies changed. In an unfree society, far worse crimes occur, and nobody within those unfortunate societies (like Milosevic's) is free to speak, and those responsible are not held to account. All societies in the world, even free ones, have, in the course of their histories, committed acts of which they should be ashamed or for which they should be criticized. That's hardly news. Look, for example, at the case of peaceable, democratic Switzerland, whose business and other relationships with Nazi Germany have come to light in recent years. Does this make Switzerland forever a pariah state, or this episode the defining one in its history? Of course not. What I object to is your holding America to some unique account, while giving far worse regimes, such as the one Milosevic leads, what amounts to a free pass. Your last posting, frankly, read like something out of the Serbian Propaganda Ministry. >It is a documented fact that Clinton has actively solicited the >Red Chinese dictatorship, for campaign re-election funds. You >can read ample documentation about this at --> >http://www.softwar.net And this fact, of course, has been well documented in our free press. Those directly culpable will have to answer for their misdeeds, and Clinton's party (and mine) will likely pay the price in our next election. Meantime, the Chinese flatly deny that they were engaged in espionage, massive evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. Therefore, in that spirit, I urge NATO to deny that yesterday its bombs fell on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. >This is the very same regime that ran tanks over the bodies of >it's citizens at Tiannemen Square; A regime that has brutalized, >imprisioned, murdered its citizens for the crime of speaking out >against tyranny. Yet we accord them "most favored" trade status Are you suggesting that we not deal with China? That we pretend it does not exist? I don't like that regime any more than you do, but we also dealt with the Soviet Union and all sorts of other unsavory regimes. I even think we ought to have normal diplomatic relations with Cuba. Recognition does not equate with approval, just acknowledgement of reality. This world would be a far more dangerous place if we engaged in relations only with countries we like and have no prospect of armed conflict with. >while we lecture Serbians on brutalizing Albanians. Our >hypocrisy is beyond absurd - We train killers at the CIA "School >of Americas" in Georgia, but we have the gall to lecture other >countries about "genocide". Unbelievable. The United States does not "train killers at the CIA School of Americas." That's garbage. If you want to discuss the (often dismal) history of the Cold War in Latin America, we can do it off line. Both sides have a lot to answer for here, on the American side some administrations more than others (i.e., Reagan's more than Carter's). Whatever else might be said (and there is much more to be said; I said much of it as a left-liberal political activist on the matter in the 1980s), in the end there is only one surviving Stalinist state in Latin America, and its days are numbered. Other societies emerged, with U.S. help, from military dictatorships and have become (sometimes imperfect) democracies. Whatever its past faults and worse, the U.S. has become a firm friend of democracy in Latin America and deserves credit for that as much as it deserves criticism for its past sins. I realize that you'd like it all to be one-sided -- the U.S. as Great Satan in all its interactions with other nations and its own citizenry -- but reality and history are not going to oblige you here, I'm afraid. Yes, we should lecture other countries about genocide, and you should stop the America-bashing. Genocide is a grave business which should be opposed wherever it occurs, by all civilized nations. Thank God the United States is out there in front on this, just as it was in World War II, when my uncle (as well as a lot of people's friends and relatives from NATO-coalition countries) died fighting the last episode of genocide in Europe. >Quite contrary to your assertion that I am "bashing America", it >would be more accurate to state my position as "anti-corrupt" >government. There is a very distinct difference. Not, as far as I can tell, in your overheated polemics. Most of us manage to oppose corrupt government without becoming de facto apologists for Slobodan Milosevic. Let me close with these wise words from Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, from the May 17 issue of The New Republic: "To the shame of the world -- particularly the Europeans and the United States -- no one intervened when the Hutus were committing genocide against the Tutsis in Rwanda. To the shame of the United States and its allies, they stood by after defeating Saddam Hussein and watched him commit mass murder against the Iraqi Shia. The cost of inaction in a world where murderous rulers lead hate-filled people in eliminationist, even genocidal onslaughts is high enough that even those suspicious of, and reluctant to use, American or NATO arms should realize that there is no moral option but to defeat, overwhelmingly and finally, the genocidal killers of our day. Otherwise, the perpetrators will continue to kill and will likely begin to kill again. And future genocidal killers will think -- as all the recent ones have -- that they, too, will enjoy immunity." Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:54:32 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT >>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100 >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:45:50 PDT >>>>>From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es> >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:19:55 +0200 Hi, Jenny, >Of course, I am not saying we have all the answers and your >caution is justified. You are correct about the presence of more >human aliens. They appear in over 50% of British abductions. But >the numbers have tumbled post 1987. >But they are not all the same. >There are aliens with beards. Aliens with swarthy skins. Yes, >and some Nordic types. But the mixed bag of alien types is far >greater than most UFOlogists seem to appreciate because it is >easy to define a few categories that mask these differences. I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you assuming that aliens, even from a single source, would all look as if cloned from each other? Reading the above, I can easily imagine a Martian objecting to the testimony of an abductee who thinks aliens from earth snatched him up: "You say some had beards, some had swarthy skins? They didn't all look exactly alike? You must have been hallucinating. Surely you don't expect us to believe in both bearded _and_ clean-shaven earthlings or, even worse, pale-skinned _and_ swarthy ones." >There is an undeniable massive impact in British data following >the books by Strieber and Hopkins. This cannot surely be a >coincidence. >I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - >that the form that an entity takes during an account is a >product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I >think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates >the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know, is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple witnesses. Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the objective nature of his and his family's experiences. Velez is hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable conclusion or in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet theories than to an experient's testimony). >I have just seen a dozen witnesses to guardian angels telling >their stories and was struck by the similarities to CE 4 >percipients. Each felt they had contact with an entity. Many >reported the Oz Factor. But some said the angels had wings and >gave names like Rafael (I was waiting for a Monica or Tess but >none showed up!) Others said they were human. Some said they had >flowing robes. Some talked of space suits. A couple only saw >typical BOL LITS. I would hope that, at least at this early stage of our inquiries, we'd all resist the temptation to grab some sweeping single reductionist explanation for all anomalous experiences. It is entirely possible that several different kinds of phenomena are occurring simultaneously. Even within ufology, for example, we long ago learned that the respective testimonies of George Adamski and Lonnie Zamora are best placed in quite different categories. Meantime, let's pursue the wise course, which is reservation of judgment. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Kathleen Andersen <KAnder6444@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:05:18 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:10:17 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100 >Besides their ubiquitous presence in early CE3s, these beings >were appearing in pre-Hopkins-era abduction cases, including one >I investigated in 1978 from Sedalia, Missouri (it occurred, >incidentally, during the nationwide early-August 1965 UFO wave, >centered in the Midwest). Hi Jerry, Jenny and Jesus, The first story about "greys" was told to me in 1974 while living in Alamogordo New Mexico. A fellow co-worker had an experience, in the 60's in Colorado when he was driving up in the mountains and came across 3 small beings, grey (appearing to be in a suit), digging as if testing soil or mineral content. He claimed that many people in Colorado at this time had many stories and encounters. UFO and alien encounters with greys was a common subject of discussion at that time in Alamogordo. Its been so long ago, to track back some of these people might be impossible as one of my neighbors at that time who had an encounter was over 80 years old! I am planning to go to Alamogordo this fall and am planning on doing some research again. Other than my first hand account above, my only memory of reading about greys was the case in Italy in August 13, 1947 reported by APRO. Cheers Kathleen Andersen MUFON State Section Director Seattle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:02:14 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:13:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:42:33 -0400 >Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:48:32 -0400 >Subject: Re: Tesla >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:04 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Tesla >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >>>from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >>>being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >>>to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? >>Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he >>measured this? >That's what I've been thinking, ever since I read the original >claim. Light travels pretty fast -- 186,000 miles per second. So >if Tesla set up a sending and receiving station a 186 miles >apart, at the speed of light a signal would take one-thousandth >of a second to travel between them. Better synchronize your >clocks! >But now at the speed of light to the 27th power.....my computer >calculator will only render this in scientific notation: >1.891687934643772596211554475943e+142 miles per second. Maybe >someone here would like to render that, approximately, in >conventional numbers, to give us some idea of the time the >journey of 186 miles would take. >One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of light to >the tenth power, it would take >1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel >186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time >interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to >the 27th power! Hi Greg, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no such thing as a "speed to the 27th power" whether it is the speed of light to the 27th power or the speed of sound to the 27th power or the speed of a snail to the 27th power. A "speed" to the 27th power is _no longer speed at all_ . You cannot use it to measure the time it takes a signal to reach South Africa or wherever because it no longer has the dimensions of distance per time, or L/T in physics. The numbers will differ radically just by changing the measuring units, miles/sec, cm/sec, or light-years per year when taken to the 27th power (try it, you won't be able to make any sense out of it). For example, in the units of light-years (a valid distance measure used all the time by astronomers) per year, the speed of light is 1 ly/yr. When that "speed of light" in those units of speed is taken to the 27th power it is _still just_ 1 but in units of light-years to the 27th power per year to the 27th power, which again is nonsense and not any sort of "speed" at all. (1 to any power is still 1.) But in this example you do _not_ have any wild numbers to the 142nd power because the units are different and incompatible as any sort of speed or velocity. The units of this so-called "speed" are _not speed_ (which has the dimensions of L/T in physics) but "miles to the 27th power" per "second to the 27th power" or whatever your arbitrary choice of units, representing dimensionally Length to the 27th power divided by Time to the 27th power which is _no longer_ Length per unit Time. It is all nonsense to try to derive a time interval from Colorado to South Africa based on something that doesn't give you "time" at all, but "time to the 27th power." It's mindless absurdity. Let me give you an example: Speed to the 2nd power (instead of 27th power) is _not_ some higher form of "speed" but something entirely different, it is Kinetic Energy Density per unit mass. Speed to the 27th power is just pseudoscience cobbled up to impress those who are unfamiliar with physics. The hoaxer does not understand that a speed to the 27th power is not any sort of super fantastic "speed" at all, but he thinks it is, and has just thrown some words together that sounds impressive. Regards, Brad Sparks
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:19:39 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:22:13 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT <snip> >Of course, I am not saying we have all the answers and your >caution is justified. You are correct about the presence of more >human aliens. They appear in over 50% of British abductions. But >the numbers have tumbled post 1987. >But they are not all the same. >There are aliens with beards. Aliens with swarthy skins. Yes, >and some Nordic types. But the mixed bag of alien types is far >greater than most UFOlogists seem to appreciate because it is >easy to define a few categories that mask these differences. >There is an undeniable massive impact in British data following >the books by Strieber and Hopkins. This cannot surely be a >coincidence. >I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - >that the form that an entity takes during an account is a >product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I >think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates >the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. My suspicion is similar. I have always mistrusted those entities, if indeed that is what they are, who kidnap us, in literal terms rape and molest us, our children and significant others; those who say one thing to a person and quite another to someone else. What we perceive may be what they wish us to perceive. Or it may be that which is within our cultural genes, so to speak. These entities are not to be believed but rather studied with caution; as are our perceptions in their commonality, or shared experience. Perhaps, just perhaps, we spend too much time studying things which should be attributed to emotion and not enough time studying things which we can attribute to intellect and memory. That was a question. >I have just seen a dozen witnesses to guardian angels telling >their stories and was struck by the similarities to CE 4 >percipients. Each felt they had contact with an entity. Many >reported the Oz Factor. But some said the angels had wings and >gave names like Rafael (I was waiting for a Monica or Tess but >none showed up!) Others said they were human. Some said they had >flowing robes. Some talked of space suits. A couple only saw >typical BOL LITS. >None of this discredits the fact that they had an experience - >perhaps even a contact with some advanced intelligence - but I >think the form it took was culturally associated. I see clear >signs in the abduction data of just that pattern. >In my view the answers will come from broader exploration of >phenomena we presently regard as discrete - such as CE4s, NDEs, >angels and more. Perhaps that view will be proven wrong. I am >not so firmly attached that I cannot see other possibilities. >Its just how I read the evidence right now. And then there are those who perceive that what we are experiencing is a dynamic in the understanding of old paradigms or perhaps a fundamental change or shift in them. Personally, I believe in total and complete open-mindedness in simultaneous combination with complete and utter inebriation. Gripple lives within me, which is how I have been able to get thru life. I at one time worked (for many years) for the Japanese. These are extremely hard working and strange (in terms of their culture) people. There was a young man who had worked for them a lot longer than I, who had a framed sign near his desk. It read, "I feel much better now that I've given up." Which is to say that there are those who should not opine in certain matters on the basis of the fact that once the mouth is opened and stuff begins to come out, the sum total of human knowledge is detracted from. Forgive, please, my use of that highly technical term, "stuff!" Present company excluded of course. Dr. Jaime Gesundt, Inebriatore with Portfolio
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:23:50 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:23:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of light to >the tenth power, it would take >1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel >186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time >interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to >the 27th power! > >Greg Sandow Damn party pooper! Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 BWW Media Alert 19990508 From: Bufo Calvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:43:37 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:31:27 -0400 Subject: BWW Media Alert 19990508 Bufo Calvin P O Box 5231, Walnut Creek, CA 94596 Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com Website: http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin">http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/bufosweirdworld ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this= edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made to http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with strangers before you e-mail them something. If you forward this, please make= sure it is clear that you are forwarding it). May 8, 1999 Due to Mother's Day, I'm doing this a day earlier than usual: that wouldn't= be the appropriate morning for me to be on the computer for a couple of= hours ;) . The Discovery Channel is doing its ALIEN INVASION WEEK thing in several places around the world. A couple of issues: I've been asked recently about advertising in the Media= Alert. Let me know if discrete, clearly-identified ads would bother you. Also, I suppose I could group the channels together by geography (a section= for Europe, etc.): would that be especially useful? It would make it a bit= tougher. As usual, let me know what you think at= bufocalvin@aol.com">BufoCalvin@aol.com On to the listings: Times are generally Pacific. LIVE EVENTS (lectures, etc.) What: Lecture on Crackpots in Cyberspace (may include appropriate topics to= this list, although also likely to include other "non-mainstream" ideas. Check out the website at <A HREF=3D"http://www.phact.org/phact/meetings.html">http://www.phact.org/phact= /mee tings.html - anchor1 </A> for more information). Philadelphia Association for Critical Thinking When: Saturday, May 15, 2:00 PM Where: Bensalem branch of Bucks County Library, near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Map on website Who: Erik Krieg How much: Looks like it's free, but I'm not positive Contact information: The website gives <A HREF=3D"mailto: eric@phact.org">mailto: eric@phact.org </A> RADIO Eddie Middleton's very popular show in the South, Nightsearch, has a website= at <A HREF=3D"http://listen.to/nightsearch">http://listen.to/nightsearch<;/A>.= Unfortunately, no streaming audio. Don Ecker, of UFO MAGAZINE, host STRANGE DAZE on the Liberty Works. It can= be heard on streaming Real Audio at <A HREF=3D"http://www.broadcast.com/radio/talk/lwrn">http://www.broadcast.com/r= adio /talk/lwrn </A>. Mike Jarmus, REALITY AND BEYOND, 7:00 PM Sundays, <A= HREF=3D"http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram">http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ra= m </A>. Streaming audio available ART BELL - DREAMLAND Currently, the most popular talk show on this area. <A HREF=3D"http://www.artbell.com/">http://www.artbell.com/<;/A>. Live= streaming audio (and video) available. JEFF RENSE - SIGHTINGS Quite simply, this is my favorite show on which to appear. Jeff is well-versed on the topics, but likes to let the guests speak. You can hear= Real Audio of the show, and there are archives as well. Go to <A HREF=3D"http://www.sightings.com/">http://www.sightings.com/<;/A> for more= information. The show is on at 7:00 PM Pacific Monday through Saturday, and= 8:00 PM Pacific on Sunday. You can hear it anywhere through your computer.= To subscribe to the Jeff Rense Weekly E-news (which includes articles), e-mail= (subject: Subscribe) <A HREF=3D"mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net">mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net</A>. Sunday, May 9, 8:00 PM, Peter Davenport, National UFO Reporting Center ( <A HREF=3D"http://www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/index.html">http://www.nwlink.com/~uf= ocnt r/index.html </A>) Monday, May 10, 7:00 PM, author Michael Cremo ( <A HREF=3D"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892133252/bufosweirdworld">T= he Hidden History of the Human Race (paperback) </A> Wednesday, May 12, 7:00 PM, Michael Lindemann, Weekly UFO/World report; Judy= Goodman on prophecies of Littleton Friday, May 14, 7:00 PM, author Brad Steiger (Steiger has had more than 100= books published: I believe the most recent one is <A HREF=3D"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1580621228/bufosweirdworld">A= nima l Miracles (paperback) </A>((more are coming soon)) ) Saturday May 15, 7:00 PM, David John Oates Reverse Speech Show TELEVISION A&E (USA) Sunday, May 9, 2:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: THE MYSTERY OF THE CRYSTAL SKULLS Thursday, May 13, 9:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: SUPERSTITIONS: UNLUCKY 13 Friday, May 14, 1:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: SUPERSTITIONS: UNLUCKY 13 Next Sunday, May 16, 2:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: SUPERSTITIONS: UNLUCKY 13 CLUB RTL (Europe) Saturday, May 8, 10:35 PM (GMT+1), UFO-ALERT DANS L'ESPACE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (Canada) Next Tuesday, May 18, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), TRAVELERS: HAUNTED HAPPENINGS, SALEM, MASS. DISCOVERY CHANNEL (Europe) Sunday, May 9, 11:00 PM (GMT+1), VISITORS FROM SPACE (abductions) Monday, May 10, 9:00 PM (GMT+1), THE ALIEN INVASION (in Dutch) (British UFO= sightings) Monday, May 10, 9:01 PM (GMT+1), BEYOND THE TRUTH (appears to be the same as= ALIEN INVASION above) Monday, May 10, 10:00 PM (GMT+1), MYSTERIES OF THE UNEXPLAINED: STRANGE BEINGS AND UFOS (Yeti, Loch Ness Monster, alien abductions) Monday, May 10, 10:00 PM (GMT+1) (in Dutch), ALIEN INVASION (I think this is= the same as MYSTERIES OF THE UNEXPLAINED above) Tuesday, May 11, 12:00 AM (GMT+1) (in Dutch), ALIEN INVASION: UFO, THE= UNTOLD STORY Tuesday, May 11, 12:00 AM (GMT+1), ALIEN INVASION: UFO, THE UNTOLD STORY Tuesday, May 11, 10:00 PM, (GMT+1) (in Dutch), ALIEN INVASION: GREAT BALLS= OF FIRE Tuesday, May 11, 10:00 PM (GMT+1), UFO: GREAT BALLS OF FIRE (explores electromagnetic explanations of UFOs) Tuesday, May 11, 11:00 PM (GMT+1), ALIEN INVASION: RETRIEVAL Tuesday, May 11, 11:00 PM (GMT+1), UFO: RETRIEVAL (debunking of the alien autopsy film) DISCOVERY CHANNEL (AUSTRALIA) Sunday, May 9, 10:00 PM (time zone unknown), UFO: REASON TO BELIEVE Sunday, May 9, 11:00 PM (time zone unknown), UFO: GREAT BALLS OF LIGHT UFO: Uncovering the Evidence Monday, May 10, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), UFO: REASON TO BELIEVE Monday, May 10, 11:00 AM (time zone unknown), UFO: GREAT BALLS OF LIGHT Monday, May 10, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), UFO: UNCOVERING THE EVIDENCE Tuesday, May 11, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), UFO: UNCOVERING THE EVIDENCE Tuesday, May 11, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), UFO: DEEP SECRETS Wednesday, May 12, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), UFO: DEEP SECRETS Wednesday, May 12, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), UNDERSTANDING EXTRATERRESTRIALS Thursday, May 13, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), UNDERSTANDING EXTRATERRESTRIALS Thursday, May 13, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), WHAT IF? E.T. CONTACT Friday, May 14, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), WHAT IF? E.T. CONTACT Friday, May 14, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), ALIENS: WHERE ARE THEY? Saturday, May 15, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), ALIENS: WHERE ARE THEY? Saturday, May 15, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), ALIEN OBSESSION Sunday, May 16, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), ALIEN OBSESSION THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (LATIN AMERICA) Razones para Creer, Grandes Esferas de Luz, Revelando la Evidencia y Profundos Secretos el día 9 a partir de las 19 hs (hora de Miami) OVNI e Implantes Extraterrestres y Extraterrestre el día 10 a partir= de las 21 hs Extraterrestres y Contacto Extraterrestre el día 11 a partir de las= 21 hs Extraterrestres: =BFDónde Están? y =BFHay Vida en Marte? el día 12 a partir de las 21 hs Extraterrestre y Encuentro Cósmico el día 13 a partir de las= 21 hs Obsesión Extraterrestre y OVNI sobre los Andes el día 14 a partir de las 21 hs THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (USA) Thursday, May 13, 8:00 PM, INSIDE AREA 51 Thursday, May 13, 11:00 PM, INSIDE AREA 51 Saturday, May 15, 1:00 PM, MYSTERIES OF THE UNEXPLAINED: SACRED PLACES AND= MYSTIC SPIRITS (near-death experience; hauntings (including Chillingham Castle) Next Sunday,. May 16, 3:00 PM, INSIDE AREA 51 FOX SOAP TALK (Australia) Thursday, May 13, 8:30 PM (time zone unknown...Sydney?), THE UNEXPLAINED: PSYCHIC DETECTIVES Friday, May 14, 12:30 AM (time zone unknown...Sydney?), THE UNEXPLAINED: PSYCHIC DETECTIVES Friday, May 14, 3:30 AM (time zone unknown...Sydney?), THE UNEXPLAINED: PSYCHIC DETECTIVES THE LEARNING CHANNEL Thursday, May 13, 7:00 PM, 48 HOURS: PSYCHICS AND SKEPTICS Friday, May 14, 2:00 AM, 48 HOURS: PSYCHICS AND SKEPTICS MDR (Europe) Tuesday, May 11, 1:30 PM (GMT+1), COM.P@SS, UFO/alien websites RTL 5 (Europe) Sunday, May 9, 1:00 PM (GMT+1), SIGHTINGS (Ohio UFO sightings) THE SCIENCE CHANNEL New schedule again, since March 29. Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE (don't know which one) Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays, 10:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays,6:00 PM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Tuesdays through Saturdays, 2:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 9:00 AM and 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 5:00 PM and 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Saturdays, OUT OF THIS WORLD all day long THE SCI-FI CHANNEL (US Feed) Monday,.May 10, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS (psychic detective; earthquake predictions; hoaxed UFO; prayer; SETI) Tuesday, May 11, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3007 (UK ghost; UFOs and popular culture; ghost-busting; Santeria; lunar madness; dowsing) Wednesday, May 12, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3008 (Iranian UFO; psychic= detective; Heartland ghost) Thursday, May 13, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3009 (Heartland ghost; Siberian UFO crash (Tunguska?); Loch Ness monster) Friday, May 14, 11:00 AM.. SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3010 (Ohio UFO; healer) Tuesday, May 18, 11:00 AM. SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3011 (past lives; Montreal= UFO; Japanese monster; psychic detective Wednesday, May 19, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3012 (lodge haunting; past= lives; Florida UFOs; psychic detective; prophecies and fiction) Thursday, May 20, 11:00 AM. SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3013 (UK weirdness; aliens= and evolution; premonitions) Friday, May 21, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3014 (disinformation; psychics= in Russia; crop circles; ghosts of the Oregon Trail) SPACE (Canada) Sunday, May 9, 7:30 PM (time zone unknown), UFO FILES AND PARANORMAL PHENOMENA: MESSAGE FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION Monday, May 10, 3:30 AM (time zone unknown), EXTRAORDINARY: paraspychology,= including hypnosis-induced vision in the blind Monday, May 10, 4:30 AM (time zone unknown), UFO DIARIES: UFOS, TRUE OR= FALSE Thursday, May 13, 7:30 AM, MYSTERIOUS FORCES BEYOND: PSYCHIC HEALING Saturday, May 15, 9:00 PM (time zone unknown), ANIMAL X (cattle mutilations;= India's "killer wolves"; Canadian lake monsters) Saturday, May 15, 8:30 PM (time zone unknown), STRANGER THAN FICTION: THE= NEW ROSWELL (the Varhingha case) Next Sunday, May 16, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), ANIMAL X (cattle mutilations; India's "killer wolves"; Canadian lake monsters) Next Sunday, May 16, 7:30 PM (time zone unknown), UFO FILES AND PARANORMAL= PHENOMENA: MYSTERIES OF LIFE AND DEATH Next Monday, May 17, 7:30 AM (time zone unknown), MYSTERIOUS FORCES BEYOND:= psychic detectives Next Tuesday, May 18, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), TRAVELERS: HAUNTED HAPPENINGS, SALEM, MASS. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:14:57 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:42:33 -0400 >>Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he >>measured this? >That's what I've been thinking, ever since I read the original >claim. Light travels pretty fast -- 186,000 miles per second. So >if Tesla set up a sending and receiving station a 186 miles >apart, at the speed of light a signal would take one-thousandth >of a second to travel between them. Better synchronize your >clocks! >But now at the speed of light to the 27th power.....my computer >calculator will only render this in scientific notation: >1.891687934643772596211554475943e+142 miles per second. Maybe >someone here would like to render that, approximately, in >conventional numbers, to give us some idea of the time the >journey of 186 miles would take. >One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of light to >the tenth power, it would take >1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel >186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time >interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to >the 27th power! Well Greg, You can contact The Tesla Foundation. Hmmmm...I think the one which you want to contact is in downtown Belgrade, Yugoslavia. Good luck on the Yugoslavia address..<grin> I was a member of the Colorado group which is now defunct. You might also contact Tom Beardon... He can probably answer your questions. He knows much of Tesla's work and history. Bruce may be able to tell you how to contact Tom... REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811 ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Chat with Erich von Daniken From: Yvonne Hedenland <Vonni_H@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 17:11:53 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:09:48 -0400 Subject: Chat with Erich von Daniken What is considered to be archaeological ruins and artifacts to some, are considered by The Archaeology, Astronautics and SETI Research Association to be traces and evidence of Ancient Astronauts. What artifacts constitute such evidence? And how does AAS RA intend to obtain the recognition of the scientific community? Join the UFO Community on MSN on May 12th, 7pm PT, for a chat with Erich von Daniken and Giorgio Tsoukalos, Chairman of the AAS RA. Also, be sure to listen to the audio interview by Diana Botsford available now. http://communities.msn.com/UFO (follow the CHAT link at this URL for instructions on how to access our free chat room) The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The chat server name is irc.msn.com port 6667 and the room or channel name is #briefing. ***UFO Community on MSN*** http://communities.msn.com/ufo Diana Botsford, Managing Editor
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS From: Mitch Battros <earthcng@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:50:18 -0400 Subject: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS The 2nd Face On Mars Photo's Are Real...05/08/99 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) There has now been a second confirmation from the USGS stating the NASA photo's are authentic. This could be the find of the decade. Remember, Nostradamus predicted "1999 is the year of DISCLOSURE". Below you will see the two letters from the USGS, along with two links to the photo's themselves. Dear Mitch, The URL goes to one of the machines here at the U. S. Geological Survey. The WWW system (Mars Explorer for the Armchair Astronaut) was developed here for NASA and we maintain it. So I think the answer is yes, it is an authentic site for NASA data, meant to be a resource for researchers and the general public. I have looked at the original Viking images in this area and they look essentially the same, so I do not believe that the imagery you are looking at has been tampered with in any way. Let me know if you have other questions. Patty Garcia (USGS) __________________ Hi Mitch.... Here is what I discovered regarding the "new face artifact" that was originally discussed on other WWW sites. As the USGS employee responsible for the development of the "PDS Mars Explorer for the Armchair Astronaut" I can only verify that the artifact in question is a real feature on the planet (see attachments below). We looked at the original EDR raw frame that was used in the MDIM and discovered this feature also exists in the original frame. No "hacking" was done on our site to artificially create this artifact. Hope this helps...Eric Eliason (USGS) _____________________________________ Here are two links to the "2nd Face On Mars" What do you see ? 1) http://www.earthchangestv.com/2ndfaceonmars.htm 2) http://www.earthchangestv.com/facemars/newface.htm This discovery is credited to Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com>. Watch for his upcoming interview. Mitch Battros Producer - Earth Changes TV Web Site: http://www.earthchangesTV.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 8 Geometrical Aspects Of kksamurai Face From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:02:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:18:12 -0400 Subject: Geometrical Aspects Of kksamurai Face Perhaps readers might find useful my quick preliminary workup on the geometry of the area around the new kksamurai Face, which I've been working on since Terry James first announced it a few weeks ago. The work on my page is done freehand at present, and is still in progress, but what it seems to show is a possible heptagonal nature to the crater around the Face, with the straight shadow line Nathan mentions being parallel to one of the heptagon walls. Another line of the heptagon also has a parallel orientation with a line coming off the shadow line, possibly indicating that the Face area is part of a polygon nested within another figure, with some sides parallel. See my page on it at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/3913/heptagon.html I understand what some have been saying about the geometric nature of basaltic uprising. However, from the examples I've seen, features such as the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland which exhibit the phenomena have a much smaller size than any that would be visible on Mars images, and are only roughly hexagonal, some being pentagonal and others being random polygons. In my work on the Albertane area of Cydonia: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/3913/albertane.html I have found a network that is perfectly gridded, with lines that not only are perfectly parallel but perfectly perpendicular. I would be happy to receive leads on geological sites on Earth that fit the same criteria, and which are on anything remotely resembling that scale. The beauty of this Face is that one doesn't need to go through sophisticated work on it to get an image. Running it through the photo editing program that most printers or PCs come with these days and simply adjusting the contrast brings it out. While one side is still somewhat shadowed, the features are still strongly structured within the shadows, and quite appropriate for a human face. Robert Shepherd has just made a census of the available images of the kksamurai Face (though I don't agree with his conclusions) at: http://universe.magnificent.com/sol/mars/newface/ . Carol Maltby carolmaltby@compuserve.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 9 IF Conference - Review From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 04:51:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 04:51:09 -0400 Subject: IF Conference - Review Source: http://www.ufocity.com/other/reviews2.html A REVIEW OF THE FIRST ANNUAL INTRUDERS FOUNDATION CONFERENCE IN NEW YORK CITY by Harold Walter Egeln Budd Hopkins and friends are reaching out in a new and ambitious way. Not to those mysterians who are behind the abduction accounts, but to the general public, face-to-face. The Intruders Foundation (IF), the not-for-profit educational and information arm of Hopkins' research, held it first annual UFO Abduction Conference in New York City, around the block from Hopkins' home and studio where the artist has investigated UFO reports and written three books over the last 24 years. The April 10th conference, held at the O'Henry Learning Center in the Chelsea neighborhood, brought together nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman; Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) researcher Jerome Clark; documentary film maker Carol Rainey, Hopkins wife; Temple University history professor David Jacobs; two well-known abductees, Linda Cortile and John Velez; journalist and composer Greg Sandow, the moderator, and of course, pioneer Hopkins, with many people from throughout the nation taking it all in. The conference, promoted as a "cutting edge crash course on what we know and how we know it," was a giant leap for IF as it launched a series of lectures, forums, dialogues, workshops, seminars and white papers, with a more frequently published "IF Bulletin," its newsletter, and the new "Journal of Abduction Research," due out later this year. While the day-long conference did not break any new ground, it was enriched by the insights of the participants, making clear the problems in understanding and communicating a phenomenon so vast, complex and mysterious in its scope that no universal consensus exists in ufology, a field which requires a multidisciplinary, holistic approach. That approach is advocated by such organizations as Dr. John Mack's PEER, the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research, and SPACE, the Search Project for Aspects of Close Encounters, our seven-year-old support and research program sharing the New York City home base with IF, as well as the recently started SPACE-South. The Presenters David Jacobs, a man with a delightful sense of humor which transcends his fear of what he ominously concludes is an impending alien takeover of the Earth, focused on the abductees: the next generations, recounting his truly disturbing findings of a vast, unified operation that began in the late 19th Century with our great-grandparents with the one focus which he details, through logic based on his hypnosis studies, in his latest book, "The Threat: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda." "Abductions are the heart of the UFO phenomenon," Jacobs states. "They are the reason why UFOs are here. Understanding why abductions take place is the key to solving the mystery" The operation is systematic, logical and goal-directed, he said, leading to a hierarchy of aliens in charge of this planet, followed by hybrids, abductees and, at the lowest order, non-abducted humans, the mass of humanity. At least, according to the scene as viewed through a historian's logic. The mass media in the United States has been remiss and irresponsible in its distorted and dismissive coverage of the UFO mystery, more from a mindset that is in denial. Aside from the way the subject has been trashed in many TV talk shows, with a few shining exceptions, two revealing moments came in Rainey's presentation. She videotaped the on-the-spot reactions of Hopkins and Velez as they watched the PBS-TV Nova special, which they hoped would finally bring the prestigious show's high quality of research into the field. When a UFO critic said that the 1975 network TV movie, "The UFO Incident" about the Betty and Barney Hill encounter, was followed by an upsurge in UFO abduction reports, Hopkins and Velez shook their head vigorously, saying, "not true." When the announcer said that the November 1977 release of Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" was followed by another upsurge in UFO sightings, Hopkins leaped from the couch with the words "blatantly false." Commiserating in Hopkins' kitchen right after the show, the two men were fuming over NOVA's slipshod and dishonest presentation of a subject that demanded science's best scrutiny and research rather than the dishonest slant, with its ignoring of vital data, that the special gave the public. The other highlight was a filmed interview that Rainey, who has never seen a UFO nor had an abduction experience but who is "astonished" by the lack of real hard news coverage, conducted with Jay Shapiro of the UPI international wire service. Shapiro knows that the mass media was ignoring and misreporting a subject that deserved journalism's best. As with science and the mass media, a too heavy reliance on assumptions about what is possible dominates both fields. It was Stanton Friedman, focusing on the real possibilities of interstellar travel, who further dislodged faulty thinking by the scientists who brush off the circumstantial evidence of UFOs being spacecraft from other worlds. Citing statements by intelligent, respected scientists, such as one who called heavier-than-air flight impossible in 1903 and by another in the 1920's who called space flight in Earth orbit and to the Moon as impossible because of the vast energy requirements far beyond human capabilities, Friedman sharply and clearly looked at the faulty thinking and assumptions. Through energy conservation, such as the three stage rather than one stage rocket, and through gravity boosted assists from other planets, space flights became possible, as contemporary assumptions were discarded for "new ways of thinking" and the rise of "the unpredictable," Friedman said. Referring to the famous holographic-like star map shown Betty Hill in September 1961, Friedman told of astronomer Marjorie Fish's three-dimensional recreation of the star map, which at first did not show the Hill star patterns until other stars were discovered. Then the pattern fitted with precision, linking several sunlike stars, such as the Zeti-Reticuli stars, one light year apart and a billion years older than our Sun, and Gezela, etc. Within 100 light-years of Earth, there are 1,000 stars, 54 of which are sunlike with their possibilities of harboring conditions for planetary life. Over a dozen Jupiter-sized exo-solar planets have been discovered around nearby stars, their existence inferred by wobbles in their stars. When Astronomy magazine published articles about the research, followed by a booklet, "The Zeti-Reticuli Incident," which included an article by Carl Sagan in 1974, it was the magazine's most popular publication in its history. Now Friedman has secured the last 1,000 plus copies remaining, which Astronomy's current editors regret their predecessors publishing 25 years ago, when the magazine was new. Veteran researcher Jerome Clark, astronomer J. Allen Hynek's successor at the Center of UFO Studies, CUFOS, took a hard-look at pre-Hill UFO CE-3's of the 1940's and 1950's to see if there were any indicators of abduction-type clues by researchers of that time, except for the 1957 Antonio Villas-Boas case in Brazil. Unfortunately, he said, except for a few possible accounts and the UFO landing flap in France in 1954, there were no solid clues in investigators reports back then as to abductions nor the most common type of nonhuman beings as reported in more present times. Rather than being dismissive of abduction reports in the 1950s and accounts retrieved under later hypnosis about possible events that occurred back then, Clark said that "new language" was required to define what is now indefinable and largely unknowable, as the core source of the UFO mystery remains elusive. "The cases that are potentially most important are those that involve multiple witnesses and physical evidence," he states. "If we are to prove that something truly out of the ordinary is taking place, we have to show that the most puzzling abduction incidents are events, not experiences." Abductees Speak With Hopkins, Cortile and Velez, there was no doubt that the experience occurred, stealthily and intrusively, as evidenced by scars, marks, conscious recall and the emotional impact retrieved through hypnosis. For Velez, IF's webmaster, hypnosis may not provide the answers to what happened to him, but it was very helpful, he strongly said, "as a catharsis," thanking Hopkins for the chance to release buried and disturbing emotions stirred by abductions. For Cortile, the focal person in "Witnessed: The Brooklyn Bridge Abductions," the unwanted impact it has had on her life and the effect on both Cortile's and Velez's children and each of their families, was the most disturbing part of all. No matter if an adult had a negative, positive or ambiguous experience, Hopkins said that it was virtually universal that any adult did not want their children to have the experience. During the panel discussion, the prime argument of negative versus positive hallmarks of the encounters, and the spins researchers may put on the accounts, given their own backgrounds and perspectives, was scrutinized. People who come to historian Jacobs, he admitted, can view the experience as hurtful or helpful. The danger, Hopkins and Jacobs said, lies in not sticking to "the facts" uncovered in the research, or constructing belief systems, such as new age or spiritual approaches, to the phenomenon. When Hopkins and Jacobs participated at a UFO conference in Istanbul, Turkey this March, they worked with a woman who had possible abductions, seeing the abductors as "jin," an Islamic term for a mischievous spirit. But the researchers noted that the core account was the same as in the U.S.A. Whether it is Jacobs, Hopkins or Dr. John Mack who work with abductees, Hopkins and Jacobs agreed that the therapeutic support given an experiencer was vital and essential. With such a vast mystery, Friedman said, without knowing its true core source, it all depends on "whose lens" the experience is viewed, whether it be the participant, the researcher, the nonhumans, the witness or whoever. After the conference, it was clear, more than ever, that an interdisciplinary approach was an absolute necessity to travel through the labyrinth of the UFO mystery, with cooperation from every segment of ufology, perhaps employing think tank techniques to the enigma and redesigning our research tools to fit a mystery that does not fit known concepts of reality, with a direct and more proactive stance by those of us directly affected by the encounters. That has been the basic thrust of SPACE, giving non-judgmental compassionate support, researching the experiences, and experimenting with proactive techniques and on-site field work to engage the mysterious, elusive and evasive non humans and the forces behind the UFO enigma. For more information on Intruders Foundation, write: P.O. Box, 30233, New York, NY. 10011. E-mail: IFCentral@aol.com On the web: http://www.if-aic.com Harold Egeln, Jr.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 9 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Alfred Lehmberg From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:53:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:53:14 -0400 Subject: 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Alfred Lehmberg From: UFO UpDates - Toronto Join co-host Jonn Kares and I on 'Strange Days...Indeed', tonight, as we talk with Alfred Lehmberg, who has a different way of observing and commenting on things ufological. The program starts at 11:05 pm EST on News Talk Radio CFRB 1010 - 50,000 watts 'Clear-Channel' 6070khz Shortwave and you can listen via Microsoft's MediaPlayer [it lets more people listen] at: www.cfrb.com/ [There's a download link there for MediaPlayer too] To call the program 'live', dial: On-Air 416-872-1010 1-800-561-CFRB [all over North America] *TALK [local mobiles]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 99 20:10:11 PDT Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:25:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:44:02 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Tesla >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:08:43 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Tesla >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:06:13 -0500 >>>From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: Tesla [was: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens...] >><snip> Chronically frightened Mike: >Where I live, we don't get the Information Radio Programs on >FM... only on AM... so Talk Radio is kept from me during my >working hours. Yet, thanks to audio tape, I still manage to >listen to many of the radio programs which are not being sucked >into the deception generated by the forces who's aim is to >instigate rebellion among the youth of our nation and create >situations such as Littleton, Colorado... Oh, my. And just who would those "forces who's [sic] aim is to instigate rebellion among the youth of our nation and create situations such as Littleton, Colorado"? Let me guess which of the usual suspects you have in mind: (1) The illuminati. (2) International Zionist bankers. (3) Trilateral Commission. (4) Sinister ETs. (5) The UN. (6) New World Order (either the sinister international conspirators or the bad-guy wrestlers; oh, hell, why not both, and who's to say that they're one and the same?). (7) Proponents of gun control. (8) Weapons manufacturers. (9) The Masons, the Elks, the Eagles, and all other fraternal organizations. Not to mention, of course, the American Medical Association, the U.S. Patent Office, and the Food and Drug Administration. (10) The CIA (the source of all evil in the universe, of course, superseding even Ol' Scratch himself). (11) The Roman Catholic Church. (12) Whatever Communists still exist. And if you can't find any of those: liberals. (13) All of the above, plus many more that I can't think of at the moment. One hypothesis we can immediately eliminate, of course, is that two royally screwed-up kids with ready access to powerful weapons decided on their own, for whatever twisted reasons, to slaughter their fellow students. That's what just Sinister Forces who try to prevent Mike from hearing talk radio _want_ us to believe. We can all be relieved that Mike, at least, knows better. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:40:49 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:30:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >From: Bob YoungYoungBob2@aol.com >Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:07:57 EDT >Subject: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >To: updates@globalserve.net >Kevin: >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:59:32 EDT >>Subject: Re: Captain E.J. Smith & Captain E.J. Smith >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Hi Bob, all- >>>One part of the story is the mysterious light of a ship which >>>sat nearby but never came close (not the California). Capt. >>>Smith was reported to have said up in the ship's bridge that he >>>thought it was a star. I once put the date and time in an >>>astronomy computer program and found that Venus, the "Queen of >>>UFOs", was only a couple degrees above the horizon. So, this is >>>not so off-topic after all. >>I wondered about Venus in all this and if some who saw lights >>might have been looking at the planet, though the wreck occurred >>at 11:40 p.m. and the light was seen until the Titanic sank at, >>what, 2:20 a.m. >>Besides, the Californian reported seeing the Titanic (though her >>skipper denied it), the bridge watch saw the distress rockets >>being fired, and they saw the ship seem to slowly disappear. >>Clearly the Californian was in a position to render aid and did >>not. >>So, the conclusion must be that Venus might have been visible, >>it does not explain the Californian's role in the disaster, or >>rather lack of a role. The ship was there and could have saved >>those left with no lifeboats.> >>As for the number of survivors outnumbering the number who were >>on the ship, I've often wondered if there were "fake" survivors. >>Of course, the passenger lists do exist, the names of the >>rescued were carefully collected so that someone claiming to >>have survived the wreck would have to explain why his or her >>name was not on those lists. >Yiikes. I never thought of that - of course - the fake Titanic >survivors must have been planted by J. P. Morgan as part of the >cover up. Hmm. >Venus wouldn't have been visible at 10:30, since it was at >Western Elongation (in the morning sky, west of the Sun). I >think that I checked its location in the early morning hours, 2 >or 3 AM, when it would have been visible at the horizon for >people in boats. >You must be working on a book about the boat? Hi Bob, and all - Nope, I just find my mind cluttered with eclectic information. For example, if you wanted to know the troop designations of the soldiers killed with Custer, I would tell you C,E, F, L, and I. I can't tell you why I know this bit of trivia, it just stuck for some reason. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:43:05 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:35:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >From: Max Burns <AlienHype@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:34:08 EDT >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: updates@globalserve.net >Hello all, >So you are after some info on Tessla, Ok this is what I have, I >do not know if you have seen this but here is some info and a >website where you can download a large Zip file full of >Goverment docs in PDF format.. so you will need to download >acrobat reader 3.. to view the files. >www.fbi.gov/foipa/tesla/tesla1.pdf >The Following extract taken from the excellent research from >Harry Mason the full research paper titled Bright Skies parts >1-6 the full paper can be read at this site . >I hope this is of use to you all folks >http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ >I personaly recomend you all taking a look at this paper in full >here is the contents list... >BRIGHT SKIES Parts 1-6 >By HARRY MASON >Copyright =A9 1997/98 Harry Mason "All Rights Reserved" <snip> Hi Max. Thanks for the Info, but I wish you hadn't posted so much. Now they won't have to put forth the effort to discover what you and I already had found...<G> Thanks again. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811 ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Orange Object Over Alice Springs, Oz From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:04:48 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:54:51 -0400 Subject: Orange Object Over Alice Springs, Oz The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia E-Mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au http://www.fan.net.au/~tkbnetw **************************************************************** UFO Australian Research Network Hot Line Number 1800 77 22 88 Free Call **************************************************************** Sighting Report 17th 4 1999 The witness has asked to remain anonymous due to the position he hold in his employment, which we respect. The name has been changed. Mr. Smith is a flying doctor radio station assistant (Ex Airforce) with 35 years in aviation industry. Alice Springs sighting, Orange object over Alice Date: 17th 4 1999 Time: 8.35pm to 8.45pm Location: Alice Springs (East). Duration of Sighting: 10 minutes. Object: Round but more oval, size: of a Cessna plane. Noise: No Movement: Slow then a fast zigzag then it went up out of sight. Personal Report: About 8.35pm my wife and I noticed an orange light moving on the East side of the house. Travelling South to North. I went outside onto the driveway and saw a large flaming ball at about 800 --1000 feet. I was trying to think what it was , a hot air balloon, I couldn't tell just how high it was, probably less than 1000ft high. Then at time at 200 --300 feet high. The object Was behaving in such away that it looked nothing familiar to me. There was no noise and it changed position very quickly and randomly, it would go backwards and forwards, stop, there was no pattern to it. Then it changed position to the north then hung around at an altitude of 60 degrees. It was the size of a Cessna Plane at about 5 klm away and around 500ft high. The colour was sort of orange, with an outer edge, there was a tail, it wasn't trailing like a flame it went behind, to the front then on top. When it got to the north I went out on to the road to keep it in sight and track its path to the northwest. At this point it was moving fairly slowly as it changed direction then it went up slightly and at an incredible speed and out of sight. I observed the object to be an oval shape with a definite out line, it was not as bright as a streetlight and it lasted for 10minutes. T rang the police ASAP at about 9.00pm. I would like to say I am a sane 52-year-old with 35 years experience in the aviation industry and the object that I saw "was not" a aircraft of any type or description, fixed- wing, hot air balloon or commercial or military jet. I noted the track it took on departure and made a visual reference with a prismatic compass. DH. Thank you to Keith Douglass of Alice Springs for posting this report to me. Regards Diane Harrison Australian Skywatch Director Co. Director of The Australian UFO Research Network
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 New Information On The New Face On Mars From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:06:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:58:05 -0400 Subject: New Information On The New Face On Mars There are multiple images of this structure taken on different days and under varying lighting conditions available that can be found on the NASA Viking CD. I suspect that some of the blurry conditions could well be the results of low-level dust storms. But overall, IMHO, all of the images support the existence of this structure, in fact 5 of the seven images support it without question... http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Cliffs/6218/many-faces.gif I left out a color composite dated April 17, 1978, not because it doesn't look like the face, but because it may be a composite color assembled creation, not an actual photo event. -- Kind Regards, Terry James aka kksamurai aka...kksamurai *** The TRUTH shall survive all time and trial! *** http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html It's a NEW FACE on MARS! http://disc.server.com/Indices/46226.html Venus-Its mystery Unfolds! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36204.html Moon-lite talk! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36207.html Europa...It Lives! http://disc.server.com/Indices/8728.html The Red Planet Roundtable! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/mars.html Mars...A Serious Adventure! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/moon/index.html Moon...Serious Too!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 02:53:45 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:33:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla At 10:13 PM 5/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:02:14 EDT >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: updates@globalserve.net >The units of this so-called "speed" are _not speed_ (which has >the dimensions of L/T in physics) but "miles to the 27th power" >per "second to the 27th power" or whatever your arbitrary choice >of units, representing dimensionally Length to the 27th power >divided by Time to the 27th power which is _no longer_ Length >per unit Time. It is all nonsense to try to derive a time >interval from Colorado to South Africa based on something that >doesn't give you "time" at all, but "time to the 27th power." >It's mindless absurdity. >Let me give you an example: Speed to the 2nd power (instead of >27th power) is _not_ some higher form of "speed" but something >entirely different, it is Kinetic Energy Density per unit mass. >Speed to the 27th power is just pseudoscience cobbled up to >impress those who are unfamiliar with physics. The hoaxer does >not understand that a speed to the 27th power is not any sort of >super fantastic "speed" at all, but he thinks it is, and has >just thrown some words together that sounds impressive. Smile... Hi Brad... In time you may be fortunate to learn that there is much about Tesla's work that you and I do not understand, regardless of what "modern physics" teaches. I am the one who posted that information... Light Speed to the 27 power. I got it directly from one of my books about Tesla's technology, much of which is still not understood today by modern Physics. If you are interested, I would suggest that you investigate Tesla's life and inventions for yourself. I can say no more about this. REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (502) 683-3026 Fax: (502) 686-7394 Home: (502) 683-6811 ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 04:26:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:46 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT >>>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100 > >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:45:50 PDT > >>>>>>From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es> >>>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>>>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:19:55 +0200 Hi Jenny, Jerry, All, Just a 'popping in' for a sec. :) I've been following this thread and just wanted to make a couple of comments. Please forgive the length of the response. Jenny wrote: >>There is an undeniable massive impact in British data following >>the books by Strieber and Hopkins. This cannot surely be a >>coincidence. True, but, . . . I have heard this one before on many occasions from many different sources. I do find it odd that another interpretation never sees the light of day however. _It is also possible_ that the material presented in the books mentioned have allowed many people to make the connection between the pattern that is associated with UFO abduction and their own unexplained experiences/memories. It was that way for me. When I read 'Missing Time' I was shocked/stunned that 'others' were giving voice to experiences that were among my deepest personal secrets. The question that haunted me was, how could these strangers/people have shared experiences I had never talked about or ever heard anyone else talk about. How could they know my "memories/fully conscious events/ and nightmares" in such detail! Missing Time was the first UFO related anything I had ever read. It knocked me flat on my ass and turned my world upside down. It was a revelation to me. More than that, it was the only thing I had ever encountered that _fit to a tee_ all of the 'odd and unexplained' in my life experiences. Maybe in some cases it is a matter of "media contamination". But, it is also true that the material can and does _act as a catalyst_; the thing that sparks the 'connection' between abduction and a persons own memories and experiences. If one interpretation is given credence the other should be considered on equal terms. And not because I say so, but because it is true. Needed to be mentioned. >>I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - >>that the form that an entity takes during an account is a >>product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I >>think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates >>the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. The evidence for an unknown/unidentified UFO presence alone makes the "prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact" a lot stronger than Jenny implies in her statements. >The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know, >is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of >the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple >witnesses. The Devil is in the details. :) There are so many 'subtle shades' to this phenomenon that it is easy for the "most interesting aspects of the abduction phenomenon" to get lost in the shuffle. Sometimes 'trampled' or even ignored in the ongoing debate. But God bless the fact that there _is_ a debate going on! >Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a >bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly >explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the >objective nature of his and his family's experiences. The level of incredulity and discomfort that this subject can generate is so very high that it is hard for me to fault _anyone_ for not believing our reports. I do want to thank you for giving me some credit for intelligence by stating that I was left with little choice after learning the details that are associated with UFO abduction. (Again) I just want to say that it is the clear and conscious memories I have of a _close up_ UFO encounter that was coupled with missing time, _and_ the physical sequelae of the experiences (on myself and my family members) that have served to "convince" me that something real, physical and objective is happening. NOT hypnosis, NOT dreams, NOT Hopkins, Jacobs, Mack et al. I may not be a rocket scientist but I can put 2 and 2 together without the help of Hopkins or any of the others. I would never leave the determination of something so important to anyone else. _The evidence present in my own life_ is what forced me in that direction. I'd rather think I'm crackers! I'd much rather be eating Prozac and whining to a shrink than think that all of this is real. >Velez is hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable >conclusion, . . . Oh Jerry, you have touched upon what (for me) is the very heart of the matter. So many ordinary family/working people who are in a state of fear, or confusion, or who are tormented by self-doubt are being completely ignored and forgotten. Left to their own devices. _No one_ in the academic or health care community is taking the time to work with these many folks who are reporting UFO related abduction experiences. Much less helping them to cope with the unsettling and life disrupting after effects. It's a shame on them that such an important job is left up to the likes of me. I have taken the precaution of including a psychiatrist and several trusted "monitors" who witness the process and act as checks and balances for me, but it _should be_ done by qualified and experienced professionals whose job it is to care for those who are suffering. Not everyone who "works with experiencers" takes those (or any) such precautions. For someone seeking help or information it is a virtual crapshoot in terms of what kind of assistance or info they will encounter. I make it my business to turn over to independant experts any "evidence" I may come across for analysis. _The academics_ should be doing that themselves. One of the results of their apathy is that opportunists (who will remain unnamed) get to make a living writing books and working the lecture circuit at the expense of the experiencers. The 'people' are the ones who always get lost in the debate. It is the great shame of the health care professionals who are aware of the subject but do _nothing_ to help. In my years of working with other experiencers I have found that it is only necessary to allow folks to talk, to give vent. Just that alone will initiate an immediate (and very often dramatic) 'healing' process. You don't have to reinforce or confirm or negate anything. (And I don't) Just give them a safe and open forum where they can talk without fear of judgement or ridicule. Provide them with the best data available and they will make up their own minds as what is or is not happening to them. The rest seems to take care of itself in terms of helping these folks. Myself included. >or in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to >condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet >theories than to an experient's testimony). Loftus, Persinger, Sagan, and many, many others are guilty of just that and seem much more interested in (enamored of) hearing the sound of their own voices than they are in seeking truth. Chasing grants and the old, "publish or perish" are partially responsible for some of that I would imagine. Example: When we consented to do the NOVA episode I had requested; a polygraph, psychological testing, a medical exam (including MRI/ x-ray or whatever) and even invited them to interview my family members. You'd think that people interested in doing "science" or "science reporting" would jump on such an offer. No such luck. None of them ever interviewed or even reviewed our case files before passing judgement on us in a very public forum. That is not only bad science, it's just plain not fair. "Condescending remarks" is the least of it Jerry! :) I've taken some _serious_ flack, abuse, and old fashioned ass whippings just for following the dictates of my conscience and reporting to my fellow creatures. It's a case of "shooting the messengers" with laser guided nuclear tipped missles. Overkill. >Meantime, let's pursue the wise course, which is reservation of >judgment. And all that any reasonable person on either side of the question could ask for. I'm outta here. Carry on gentle people. Best to All, John Velez ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:57:23 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:01:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:14:57 -0700 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Tesla >>One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of lightto >>the tenth power, it would take >>1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel >>186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time >>interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to >>the 27th power! >Well Greg, >You can contact The Tesla Foundation. Not at all. You're the one who believes this stuff, even though it doesn't make the slightest sense. So why don't you contact them, first to make sure you understand what they're saying, and -- if you got it right -- to have them tell you why they're not talking nonsense? I'd also like to make a more general comment. I agree with you that traditional science can't explain everything in the universe, and that scientists can be closed-minded about phenomena they don't understand. But that doesn't mean that everyone who challenges traditional science -- Tesla, for example, or those who support him -- is automatically right. Nor does it mean that scientists are automatically wrong every time they oppose a new claim. If I may use a sports analogy, you have a right to root for your favorite team (in this case, those who challenge traditional science). But you have to be objective, and realize that your team doesn't win every game. Finally, consider this. Closed-mindedness is, unfortunately, a human characteristic, not limited to scientists. Anyone can have a closed mind, and all of us are most likely to act like we have one when somebody criticizes the ideas we most cherish. Somebody who loves Tesla can be just as closed-minded as the chairman of the physics department at the most conservative university. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:42:25 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:35:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:02:14 EDT >Subject: Re: Tesla >To: updates@globalserve.net >I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no such thing >as a "speed to the 27th power" whether it is the speed of light >to the 27th power or the speed of sound to the 27th power or the >speed of a snail to the 27th power. A "speed" to the 27th power >is _no longer speed at all_ . Hi Brad, Bruce, and all that are following this thread. Talking of exceeding the speed of light I wrote an article a little while back about this particular issue. It was published in this months issue of "UFO Magazine" with Mark Hall being cited as the author. I have spoken to Graham and he has apologised and promised a correction in the next issue, but that's not the point of this missive, the point is c = the speed of light. Now just because we don't know _yet_ of a way to exceed it does not mean that it is impossible. Scientist's said in 1903 man could not fly in heavier than air aircraft and in 1920 that man would not go to the moon because of the amount of energy needed. Are either of these true today? Er not the last time that I looked. So to some respect it really doesn't matter how the speed is measured just to exceed c in a repoduceable and verifyable way will send all physicist's back to the drawing board and they would _have_ to re-write their collective text books. This to me is the real reason why Tesla, (and a few others) will never be fully recognised for their worth by the current scientific community. And to those who insist FTL is not possible I say b****x you are just being blinkered. And for those that are interested here is the article that I wrote (unedited): ---------------------- Science Logic and the FTL debate. Many things have been said about travelling at speeds faster than light but is it really possible? Science fiction stories since the sixties have theorised the mechanics of faster than light drive, but science has always stood solidly behind Einstein because of E=MC2, which basically says that the speed of light is the speed limit of the universe. What I am going to bore you with now is why I believe popular science is wrong and the old science fiction stories are in my opinion, right. What is not well publicised by the various mental giants of today's popular science is that quite often in the past big name scientist's have been either mistaken or totally wrong about some things. These self same scientists would have the great unwashed general public, that's you and me, believe that science is never wrong. Now I could make this article a massive debate about the number of times scientists have been wrong in the past (and present) but that really isn't my intent at the moment. Suffice it to say that scientist have made enough mistakes in the past for me to be able to confidently say they are bound to make some more mistakes now and in the future. I'm sure you have all heard or read about hyperspace and warp drive (who hasn't seen Star Trek or Star Wars?) and that to exceed the speed of light you need some sort of device that circumvents the known laws of physics. This is certainly the most likely method of exceeding light but is it the only one? I'm not so sure. Another thing you might have heard a little about is tachyons. It has been theorised (but not proved according to some learned friends of mine) that tachyons travel faster than light and thus appear to us mortals to travel back in time. Now a little while back Gunter Nimtz at the University of Cologne(1) transmitted a signal of a Mozart's Symphony No40 in a photon beam and they measured the time taken and "proved" that is was some 4.7 times faster than light. I'm sure some of you have heard about this but have you heard about Nichola Tesla? He performed a similar test back in the twenties that sent a signal at twenty seven times faster than light! (2) Surely now you would have thought that popular science would take this into account and say "well perhaps faster than light is possible" but no popular science is still rock solid behind Einstein, seems the man was never wrong, but ah! He was. Did you know he made a blunder which he called his great mistake?(3) No? Well even the man made "God" of today's popular science made mistakes. Now I don't mean to mock the man, not at all, I just want to point out to the people that would have you believe that he was the greatest that even the vaunted Einstein made mistakes too. Now today's science says that to exceed the speed of light is not possible because of the amount of energy it would take and that matter is affected by these extreme speeds which makes it impossible for a solid object to travel faster than light. But. My argument is Are the scientists saying faster than light is not possible just because they don't know how to do it? Take an example and compare it with this scenario. Just two weeks before Neil Armstrong landed on the moon there was many popular scientists of the day saying that it was not possible to leave the confines of this glorious planet that gives us mortals life. But if we was to take the information back a hundred years into our past and tell the scientists of the day about man walking on the moon what do you think they would say? In my opinion they would say that it is not possible and then come up with information which they believe correct as to why it is not possible. I think that we are still in the same situation. Until some fantastic engineer or amazing piece of technology falls into our hands that shows that faster than light travel is possible scientists will say that it is not possible. Exceeding the speed of light is not possible because it violates all the known laws of physics. I have been told this most emphatically by several educated and very intelligent people. BUT my answer to that is what about the laws of physics that we don't yet know? What about new discoveries that are found each day? Do they all reinforce current scientific thinking or do some challenge it? Science is continually being updated with new discoveries each day and why is it that scientists are still saying that certain things are impossible? Is it because they will have to re-write their books from scratch or because they are afraid of that the universe is bigger than they first thought? By the way did you read in a magazine a little while back about science has just had to issue a statement about the size of the universe, they were wrong!(4) Also another point about the planetary system that we live in, NASA scientists are not sure about the gravity outside Pluto's orbit. No I don't mean the Disney character I mean the planet. It was recently announced that Pioneer 10 and 11 have slowed down in space. "We've been working on this problem for several years, and we accounted for everything we could think of," says NASA planetary scientist John Anderson. So far he and other scientists have not found any reason for the spacescrafts "wierd behaviour". They are beginning to think that it must be "extra gravity" - and that would send a lot of theoretical physicists back to the drawing board.(5) Now it looks like not even NASA knows all about the galaxy that we live in, so what about the rest of the universe. Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist, has shown how faster than light travel need not be necessary due to time dilation at near light speed, but that's okay for the travellers but what about the people they leave back home? The people back home won't feel the time dilation so to them their intrepid travellers will be gone for a life time, will that be a realistic form of travel between the stars, after all that is the whole reason for travelling faster than light. The distance between stars makes visiting them damn nigh impossible unless we can exceed the speed of light and get to them in a "reasonable" travelling time. I am not a scientist and I feel that science has been wrong in the past and undoubtedly it will be wrong in the future, and I still feel that science is wrong about faster than light travel being possible. Do you? copyright Sean Jones 18Dec1998 Source's (1) Photon speed testing done by Gunter Nimtz at the University of Cologne (Source New Scientist April 1995) (2) Quote from UFO Updates http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/dec/m 01-025.shtml Re- Mars MARCI EDL Movie, by Mike Christol + The Zeneth Factor Video (3) Einstiens "Great mistake". (Still tracking the *exact* quote) Any person who can supply the quote, could you please email me directly at <quote@tedric.demon.co.uk> (4) Universe size statement, source Scientific American http://www.scientificamerican.com/ (5) UFO Magazine Jan1999 --- People can have it any colour, as long as its black! Sean Jones Homepage--http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/1745/index.htm Research page--http://www.tedric.demon.co.uk/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:06:20 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:15:26 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Kathleen Andersen <KAnder6444@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:05:18 EDT >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: updates@globalserve.net >Hi Jerry, Jenny and Jesus, >The first story about "greys" was told to me in 1974 while >living in Alamogordo New Mexico. A fellow co-worker had an >experience, in the 60's in Colorado when he was driving up in >the mountains and came across 3 small beings, grey (appearing to >be in a suit), digging as if testing soil or mineral content. He >claimed that many people in Colorado at this time had many >stories and encounters. >I am planning to go to Alamogordo this fall and am planning on >doing some research again. Other than my first hand account >above, my only memory of reading about greys was the case in >Italy in August 13, 1947 reported by APRO. Hi all, hi Kathleen, Jenny I have the book "Los humanoides" from year 1966 (Spanish translation). I don=B4t have the original English version, but in this book, the acount named "Villa Santina" was august 14, 1947. Do you speaks about the same?. If this is the report, I don=B4t have read any reference about a "typical" grey. (perhaps because a bad Spanish translation?). From your posts, there is no good account about "typical grays" before 1965. I agree, in part, with Jenny when comments: "I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - that the form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact." But, why the "typical" grey presence appears from 1965 and not, p.ex. from 1950, or 1900?. Is the human conciousness "changing" so fast?. The old accounts about beings are like "human" type (p.ex."angelic" or "dwarfs" etc.) but on ancient records (I don=B4t have) no "greys". But even if the only motive for their presence (I=B4m speaking only of "grays") was a "product of mental images in a person's consciousness", or perhaps representation changing with the witness culture, which could be the motivation for their appearance now? For their presence from 1965 forward (perhaps are they the same old beings?) In this form?. Are they the same old beings disguised? Or they are some others newest ones?. I think that this question could be resumed in six possibilities: 1. They are here from long time ago but we still without finding any 1960 record. In this case we could/should find one. 2. They could be disguised. In this case it could be very hard for us to distinguish. 3. It could be some mental/medical problem. I think it is not the case, specially if we could find also physical marks. 4. It is really the human unconscious that "invented" or "forming" all visions?. The answer could be resumed like previous. 5. The human unconscious are"changing" and could represent with other image the same things. But, it could be changing so faster?. 6. It could be an "experiment" or test (Milabs possibility). If we could find some previous 1960 account, then we would be able to reject the two last possibilities. In this case, we would have only the two first posibilities. I=B4m still very interested and I would like to know more about the 1933 australian account (p. ex. who really was the researcher Rex Gilroy, if it was a good researcher, his reliability). thank you Jesus
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:28:58 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:32:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:42:33 -0400 >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:55:04 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: Tesla >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>That he could send an electric current through the earth's crust >>>from his lab in Colorado to his lab in South Africa and back, >>>being registered at the South African lab, at the speed of light >>>to the 27th power... Yet we do not hear this...Why? >>Speed of light to the 27th power, eh? Can you tell me how he >>measured this? >That's what I've been thinking, ever since I read the original >claim. Light travels pretty fast -- 186,000 miles per second. So >if Tesla set up a sending and receiving station a 186 miles >apart, at the speed of light a signal would take one-thousandth >of a second to travel between them. Better synchronize your >clocks! >But now at the speed of light to the 27th power.....my computer >calculator will only render this in scientific notation: >1.891687934643772596211554475943e+142 miles per second. Maybe >someone here would like to render that, approximately, in >conventional numbers, to give us some idea of the time the >journey of 186 miles would take. >One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of light to >the tenth power, it would take >1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel >186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time >interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to >the 27th power! Dear Greg and Bruce: Yes, but its worse that that! If you simply square the speed of light, you get some very large number times miles-squared, and divided by seconds-squared. The dimensions get squared too! In a rational calculation, the extra powers of feet, miles, seconds cancel out, leaving units which make sense; a velocity, acceleration, mass .. perhaps a simple numerical ratio. Miles-to-the-27th over seconds-to-the-27th tells me all I need to know about this matter. Tesla was a great man, and I respect him for his alternating current power transmission most of all.I'm sure he would be appalled at the fairy tales later attributed to him. This business of "free energy" ( apart from solar, wind etc. which is quite "free" until you go about harnessing it )Every hydro-electric dam harnesses "free" energy, heck. Mother nature picks up the water and drops it high in the mountains where we can extract the power as it courses back down. All of this reminds me of my old Sicilian music teacher. He had a friend, who's uncle " developed a carburetor that got 100 mile per gallon, back in the 1930s." Maybe it was a friend of a friend.. Naturally, the oil companies bought up the patents and have kept the device hidden ever since. Yeah right.I'm sure the fuel starved Germans and Japanese would have respected the patent in the thick of World War Two, and were incapable of re-inventing the carburetor themselves. Yeah, right.They were too busy with V2 rockets.. All of this argues for a good basic universal and compulsory science education in our schools. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:32:39 -0600 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:29:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:37:42 PDT >>Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 02:49:05 -0600 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>Subject: Re: Excerpt from 'Space Aliens From The Pentagon' >I hope that you will educate yourself on the long, tortured >history of the West's efforts to deal with Milosevic, with whom >we ought to have gone to war long ago, even as the West Mr. Clark, Thanks for providing the biggest chuckle I've had all week with your denial that the School of Americas does _not_ train killers for the CIA. In order to spare the list the bandwidth it would take to correct your mis-representations, confusion and absurd assertions, I'm taking this offline and direct to email with you. Good day, Don --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 17:38:05 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:30:46 -0400 Subject: Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS >Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 >From: Mitch Battros <earthcng@earthlink.net> >To: Breaking News <earthcng@earthlink.net> >Subject: Earth Changes TV/Breaking News >The 2nd Face On Mars Photo's Are Real...05/08/99 >by Mitch Battros (ECTV) >There has now been a second confirmation from the USGS stating >the NASA photo's are authentic. This could be the find of the >decade. Remember, Nostradamus predicted "1999 is the year of >DISCLOSURE". Below you will see the two letters from the USGS, >along with two links to the photo's themselves. >Dear Mitch, >The URL goes to one of the machines here at the U. S. Geological >Survey. The WWW system (Mars Explorer for the Armchair >Astronaut) was developed here for NASA and we maintain it. So I >think the answer is yes, it is an authentic site for NASA data, >meant to be a resource for researchers and the general public. >I have looked at the original Viking images in this area and >they look essentially the same, so I do not believe that the >imagery you are looking at has been tampered with in any way. <snip> Dear Mitch, Eric and others: What do I see? I see craters, ridges etc. of all sizes and types, plus some rough surfaces and other now typical natural features. I cannot find anything vaguely resembling a face, unless you are referring to the top portion of link #1 above. Here, two craters of roughly equal size straddle a ridge from an older larger crater.. vaguely suggesting eyes and a nose. If you want to call that a "face", and most especially an artificial construct of some kind, be my guest .. but count me out. It is a nice clear image BTW. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: 2nd Mars Face A Hoax From: Nathan Ranger <netrangr@ufo.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:26:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: 2nd Mars Face A Hoax I have three theories about any data being "hacked" on this subject of Mars Anomalies. I have never been an expert in this field, however, I have kept up with the developments in general since it runs somewhat parallel and at times overlaps some of my UFO sighting and abduction research. The following three theories have been in the back of my subconscious for some years. Theory 1: There must be something so darn important that NASA does not want us to see that they have their best and finest combination image scientists and graphic artists working full time on incoming pictures so as to keep us from discovering anything. Anti Theory 1: However, if there is so much at stake and it takes so many man hours for theory 1 to be in place, why not just say: CLASSIFIED. Don't show any of the images. Keep the public eye off of them. After all, even with the finest people working on the images to mask this important data, there is still a chance of mistakes *AND* the fact that there could be a leak that would A) Damage NASA's reputation and B) Leak the important information. If the information was kept under wraps then leakage could be dismissed as the product of over active crackpot imaginations. Theory 2: All these anomalies we're seeing are just natural things on the surface of mars. Since the atmosphere, geology and general characteristics of mars is very different from the earth, things that look to us to be anomalous ON THE EARTH may not be anomalous on mars. Don't get me wrong, I think they certainly look anomalous, however, it seems that after enough anomalous findings come out, they aren't anomalies anymore. Anti Theory 2: There just seems to be too much stuff that doesn't make sense for it all to be just natural windblown and seismic generated artifacts. Theory 3: Its a combination of both T1 and T2. If there was enough information in these images that were "threatening", I think NASA would just shut off the archive and forget about it. However, if there were just a few *AND* there was a situation where there were some anomalous looking natural phenomena, they'd do it just like they are. Modify a few, leave a few and just try to confuse us with a little mix of truth and disinformation. Anti Theory 3: It may be that theory 1 is more truth than we think if NASA thinks they're smart enough and the general public is A) dumb enough and B) trusting enough that they can just pull any kind of hacking/cover up/disinformation campaign they want without us ever knowing. After all, most of the general public thinks the other part of the general public are crackpots when they ask hard questions about what is REALLY going on. Am I making any sense or do I sound like just another crackpot in the mix? -NR (http://www.ufo.net)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS From: John Ratcliff <jratcliff@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:46:45 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:33:29 -0400 Subject: Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS >Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 >From: Mitch Battros <earthcng@earthlink.net> >To: Breaking News <earthcng@earthlink.net> >Subject: Earth Changes TV/Breaking News >The 2nd Face On Mars Photo's Are Real...05/08/99 >by Mitch Battros (ECTV) >There has now been a second confirmation from the USGS stating >the NASA photo's are authentic. .... Egads. This sad excuse for a roscharch test does little more than publically demonstrate the deep well of unfullfilled irrationality bubbling beneath the surface of most all of the fringe psyches that flit about these forums; confused moths seeking the light of self relevance. I remember when I first approached these subject matters, first the arch skeptic, then confused researcher, later arguing with great passion the hard evidence of a new reality, only to be subsumed by the fuzzy and esoteric nature of personal philosophies weighed upon the delicate scale of semantic subtlties as expressed by varied reality labryrinths. Now, mostly, I just sigh and wonder how so many people lost their way on the path to enlightenment. Just yesterday I read a lovely story on Rense's site, from an author who expressed his most sincere spiritual conviction in his great 'discovery of the mind', only to revel in the public demonstration that he happened to have lost his own. His impassioned prose, written from self-imposed exile, carefully brought together the hardened and irrefutable facts between contrails left over the local airport and Bill Clinton's speeches, played backwards through a tape recorder from a graveyard at midnight. Get a grip people, your appreciation of reality is a lot more invigorating when it correalates more closely with the data most of us experience. John W. Ratcliff Sad and Confused
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: UFO Desk - Net Feed Problems From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:48:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:00:13 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Desk - Net Feed Problems Well my big attempt at sending a live stream over the net has met with a temporary setback. Never mind though, we'll try again next week. Try to bring the world UFO Desk. Anyway, the program you would have heard tonight will be archived on the UFO Desk Online site, at the authors files. Tonight's program features Stan Friedman and Jerome Clark talking about he recent Intruders Foundation UFO Conference. Good things take a while, hopefully the bugs will be worked out by b'cast time next Sunday 10:30pm. Till then... Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk - WBAI NY 99.5 http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People! ICQ#32519151 Sunday nites 10:30 east coast time @ http://www.nfo.nu/streams/ufodesk.ram
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:14:35 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >>I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - >>that the form that an entity takes during an account is a >>product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I >>think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates >>the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. >The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know, >is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of >the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple >witnesses. Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a >bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly >explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the >objective nature of his and his family's experiences. Velez is >hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable conclusion or >in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to >condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet >theories than to an experient's testimony). Dear Ms. Randles, Mr. Clark: I am fairly new to this list and this is my first post. I have been lingering in the shadows of these many conversations, listening to researchers and skeptics alike opine about me and people like me - abductees. I have found this thread between the two of you to be very interesting. I cannot say that I am familiar with the experiences of many other abductees. I do not have a pool of testimonies from which to evaluate and form an opinion. I have only the experiences of myself and my family to draw upon. I have been investigating my involvement in this phenomenon for the past six years. I have undergone thirty-five hypnotic regressions, and countless days and nights of contemplation in an attempt to make some sense of what has been happening to me and my children. I would like to comment, Ms. Randles, on your view that "the form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the mental images in a persons consciousness." Seven years ago my son, who at the time was six years old, came running into my bedroom on an early Saturday morning. He was a bundle of anxiety, his little hands shaking and his brow sweating as he attempted to tell me what had him so frightened. He spoke of two "weird things" that had come into his bedroom. They were gray in color, had very large heads, skinny bodies, and great big, black eyes. There was a tall one and a smaller one. The tall one seemed like a "doctor" while the smaller one seemed kind of "not as smart." The child told me of how these beings looked deep into his eyes and, upon doing so, the child could no longer move. My son spoke more of the event. I then asked him to draw a picture of the figures he had seen. The child produced a pencil sketch of what is seen today as your "typical" greys, one tall one and one short one. This child knew nothing of Budd Hopkins, abductions, or little gray men. He had not read "Intruders". At this time there was no "Sightings" TV show. There was no possible means that could even allude to media contamination. I can say quite confidently that the child had no alien "mental images" prior to this event in his "consciousness". In all aspects, the child was unblemished. He did not perceive something to be something because of something. What he saw was real. Mr. Clark, I would like to thank you for your obvious empathy for people who have such experiences as do I and my family. Your consideration of the experient is as a breath of fresh air. Best regards, Allison Reed
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Alfred Lehmberg on Strange Days... Indeed From: John <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:07:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:19:54 -0400 Subject: Alfred Lehmberg on Strange Days... Indeed Forward from AIC (Abduction Information Center) John Velez ____________________________________________ AIC INTERACTIVE E-MAIL CONFERENCE -AIC members only- ____________________________________________ Hello All, If Alfred Lehmberg had been born in another time he would have been a Knight or a Samurai. I mean that in the highest definition of those professions, men who "fight the good fight" in the name of fairness and what is right. He is a very intelligent and supremely articulate man. It came though loud and clear during his presentation on Strange Days. Alfred is one of those rare but genuine "double threats" in that not only is he a gifted writer, one with the ability to make you laugh one moment and cry the next, but he's a serious and completely original artist/painter as well. (You -must- visit Alfreds' place in RenseWorld!) As per their usual, Errol Bruce-Knapp and Jonn Kares managed to bring the best out of their guest. I'm not going to go on and on about him, visit his website, read his "Odd Odes" see his artwork for yourself. Anyone with eyes and ears and a heart will not be able to walk away without feeling the same way about him as I do. The world is better place to live in because of folks like Alfred. I love him for it and I am -very proud- to count him among my friends. Do yourself a favor, check out his site on the web and inside of RenseWorld! It'll prove to be some of the best spent time you've ever had sufing the web! :) Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ Peace, John =================> ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:29:55 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * After reading the posting from Jeff Rense on UpDates, I went to his site to see his topics. Aside from a lot of anti-NWO ranting I came across a notoriously ugly subject. I request that any UFO investigators who may be asked to appear on Jeff Rense's show think twice about my email below. I sent this to him today. I believe that his published views are a damage to any legitimacy of the field of UFO research. ----- Mr. Rense: Your newsletter is posted on UFO UpDates. Your non-UFO views should not be. UpDates is not a political forum. In the future please only post the UFO related guest list on that forum. I have been a UFO investigator for several decades. I am of Jewish heritage. I do not share your political views. I am offended and disgusted that you have posted the notorious and disgraceful "The Protocols of Zion" on your website. This document is a proven fabrication that was used by the Czar's forces to conduct progroms that murdered large numbers of Jews in Russia. This fake treatise was also used by the Nazis, and you know the results. I lost relatives in Russia due to the propoganda uses of this document. I lost many members of my family later to the Nazis. You certainly have the right to publish a paper on your website. But to publish that document with no disclaimers, as if it is some type of truth, is no better than Dr. Goebbels' use of it. I request that you immediately remove that document from your site and publish an apology for posting it on your website. From the looks of many of your postings you deal primarily in hysteria. There is a distinct absence of intelligent research, scholarship, and discernment to your postings. This latest neo-nazi posting is beneath decency. Josh Goldstein
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: Tesla From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:04:47 -0600 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Tesla >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Tesla >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 20:10:11 PDT >Oh, my. And just who would those "forces who's [sic] aim is to >instigate rebellion among the youth of our nation and create >situations such as Littleton, Colorado"? Let me guess which of >the usual suspects you have in mind: >(1) The illuminati. >(2) International Zionist bankers. >(3) Trilateral Commission. <snip> >(13) All of the above, plus many more that I can't think of at >the moment. (14) The same "aliens" that "abducted" Linda Napolitano (ROTFLMAO!) (15) Phil Klass - The House of Klass is made of Glass (smirk!) (16) Ron Pandolfi - Fric (17) Pan Randolfi - Frac (18) Todd "the Man" Zechel (Gripple in use!) (19) Permindex (shhhh!) (20) Operation Monarch (I was a Presidential Sex Slave) (21) BoB aNd tHe StArK FiSt oF ReMoVaL - Hail Bob! >One hypothesis we can immediately eliminate, of course, is that >two royally screwed-up kids with ready access to powerful But dere's no "conspiracy"..de cops always tell de trud, Justice is always served and da damn bad-ass guys always git caught...plum likes Jon Benet's killa' wuz nabbed by de highly efficient and always trudful Denva' honky pigs and Just Us officials. ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:08:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:50:11 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >Hi, Jenny, >>Of course, I am not saying we have all the answers and your >>caution is justified. You are correct about the presence of more >>human aliens. They appear in over 50% of British abductions. But >>the numbers have tumbled post 1987. >>But they are not all the same. >>There are aliens with beards. Aliens with swarthy skins. Yes, >>and some Nordic types. But the mixed bag of alien types is far >>greater than most UFOlogists seem to appreciate because it is >>easy to define a few categories that mask these differences. >I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you assuming that >aliens, even from a single source, would all look as if cloned >from each other? Reading the above, I can easily imagine a >Martian objecting to the testimony of an abductee who thinks >aliens from earth snatched him up: "You say some had beards, >some had swarthy skins? They didn't all look exactly alike? You >must have been hallucinating. Surely you don't expect us to >believe in both bearded _and_ clean-shaven earthlings or, even >worse, pale-skinned _and_ swarthy ones." >>There is an undeniable massive impact in British data following >>the books by Strieber and Hopkins. This cannot surely be a >>coincidence. >>I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is - >>that the form that an entity takes during an account is a >>product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I >>think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates >>the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact. >The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know, >is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of >the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple >witnesses. Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a >bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly >explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the >objective nature of his and his family's experiences. Velez is >hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable conclusion or >in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to >condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet >theories than to an experient's testimony). >>I have just seen a dozen witnesses to guardian angels telling >>their stories and was struck by the similarities to CE 4 >>percipients. Each felt they had contact with an entity. Many >>reported the Oz Factor. But some said the angels had wings and >>gave names like Rafael (I was waiting for a Monica or Tess but >>none showed up!) Others said they were human. Some said they had >>flowing robes. Some talked of space suits. A couple only saw >>typical BOL LITS. >I would hope that, at least at this early stage of our >inquiries, we'd all resist the temptation to grab some sweeping >single reductionist explanation for all anomalous experiences. >It is entirely possible that several different kinds of >phenomena are occurring simultaneously. Even within ufology, for >example, we long ago learned that the respective testimonies of >George Adamski and Lonnie Zamora are best placed in quite >different categories. >Meantime, let's pursue the wise course, which is reservation of >judgment. >Jerry Clark Yes, Jerry. I do take your points here and I do not really disagree with them. I certainly dont have a fixed opinion on what is going on. The possibility of a real alien intrusion remains ac reasonable one. I think what I was really trying to indicate was that the subjective elements in a CE 4 are part of the solution - not, specifically, the solution. Abductions are without question a merging of objective reality and subjective imagery. The difficulty is in finding a way to blend these together. When I note comparisons between NDEs, Angels and CE4s - for instance - I am not, necessarily, saying that one entity is appearing as all three. Nor am I arguing that each is a mental image fulfilling some inner drive. Rather I am sensing a more fundamental point of comparison - that each occurs during an altered state, with symptoms common to all that include the Oz Factor and descriptions of an OOB experience. The Aveley abduction is a good illustration there - since the witnesses describe floating (presumably out of body) around the UFO with the aliens whilst also seeing their physical selves dead to the world and still inside the car where the encounter began. Much the same applies to oberved abductions such as the Anders case in Sweden or the Gaynor Sunderland case in Wales or the best known of all in Franklin, Victoria, Australia (Maureen Puddy). Here the witness experiences an abduction whilst seen by others and having clearly gone nowhere in a physical, bodily sense. You cannot ignore these cases. Equally, I agree, you cannot reject multiple abductions. The Dandenong Mountains cas - of which one witness (Kelly Cahill) is attending the MUFON conference this year - is one of those incidents that has to confound critics. The evidence, to me, seems better than the Manhatten Transfer saga - in that it features three independent ands interlocking data sets. If this is not a hoax (and neither Bill Chalker nor Keith Basterfield - whose judgement I respect) thinks so - then it almost single handedly proves that CE4s are in some sense a physical reality. But then the observed abductions cited (and several others - rather more, in fact, than of the Manhatten transfer type that seem to argue to the contrary) would provide us with an alternative scenario. I do not say that either is right or wrong. Quite possibly both are. The point then being that the CE 4 has to be a htbrid experience of some sort - a quasi reality. That is why we need to take seriously enough to at least explore the options - therefore looking at more subtle threads between cases. Even the semi amusing dialogue on this list of late about name coincidences is relevant. I have long argued that coincidence is a manifestation of subconscious ESP and perhaps even the restructuring to order of the quantum basis of reality (see my essay on this in 'The encylopedia of the Unexplained' and in more obvious UFO context in my book 'Mind Monsters' (which I dont think ever made it to the USA and barely made it in the UK!) So, I am not even suggesting I have all the answers. But I do think they are more complex than they seem. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 UFO Desk Updates From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:45:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:57:36 -0400 Subject: UFO Desk Updates Hi gang, New addition to authors file. Real audio file of conversation between Stanton Friedman and Jerome Clark, Scott Carr editor of Flying Saucer Gazette, and Paul Williams of UFO Desk. We talk about the recent Intruders Foundation UFO Conference. These are downloadable files. Please check it out, sign guest book and tell a friend about UFO Desk. We have the strangest stories on the net, no doubt! Changes all the time at UFO Desk so stay tuned. Enable Java engine to view very kewl Java apps. best, Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk - WBAI NY 99.5 http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People! ICQ#32519151 Sunday nites 10:30 east coast time @ http://www.nfo.nu/streams/ufodesk.ram
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 10 Joseph Trainor and UFO Roundup From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:17:00 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:34:54 -0400 Subject: Joseph Trainor and UFO Roundup For those asking what has happened to Joseph Trainor all I can tell you is that he was moving. His last message to me on 15th April stated: "I wanted to write to you and let you know that there will be no bulletin next Monday. The reason is one I know you're perfectly familiar with. Namely, I am moving out of Warwick. I will be offline for one week, quite possibly two." Getting the new house ready is obviously taking Joe longer than anticipated. As soon as I hear from him I will let everyone know - please note that I do not have details of his new address. Regards, John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Ray Mathews <gtefive@gte.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:30:33 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:59:09 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 04:26:40 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Hi Jenny, Jerry, All, >Just a 'popping in' for a sec. :) I've been following this >thread and just wanted to make a couple of comments. Please >forgive the length of the response. <snip> Hi guys, I do not doubt the voracity of people reporting greys. As a man of science, however, I must say "bring on the evidence" . A live prisoner would be great. A body would do. I absolutely will not accept anything on faith. It is that medieval credulity that allows most of the trouble in this world to occur. Capture or subvert one of their ships on the ground and you're the Man of the Millenium. But no matter how often they're voiced, anecdotal accounts do not take the place of hard evidence. If you want to truly prove your claims, get some. And distribute the findings to the press _first_. It is possible that abductees are being screwed with by someone with the juice and callous arrogance to pull it off. And those qualities are furnished at Oxford or MIT. Good luck. Ray Mathews
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Bill Weber <koran@cchat.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:15:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:44:30 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 >>The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know, >>is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of >>the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple >>witnesses. Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a >>bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly >>explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the >>objective nature of his and his family's experiences. Velez is >>hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable conclusion or >>in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to >>condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet >>theories than to an experient's testimony). >Dear Ms. Randles, Mr. Clark: >Mr. Clark, I would like to thank you for your obvious empathy >for people who have such experiences as do I and my family. >Your consideration of the experient is as a breath of fresh air. >Best regards, >Allison Reed Hi, Allison, Although Errol frowns on using the List for "right on" letters, I have to share my appreciation for Jerry as well. Jerry Clark has remained the intelligent, concerned, empathetic agnostic - and at no small cost. The guy has been attacked in unfair and personal ways for exactly that attitude. If you re-read a few of the threads in which he has been involved, it's easy to recognize his patience, objectivity, and refusal to rely on assumptions (either for or against the reality of abduction.) Would that we could all be so open minded about any subject. Best, Bill
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: New Face on Mars From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:47:42 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars I see many of you still do not believe your eyes...Please take the time to look through this link of the latest images... http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=8728&article=14419 -- Kind Regards, Terry James aka...kksamurai *** The TRUTH shall survive all time and trial! *** http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html It's a NEW FACE on MARS! http://disc.server.com/Indices/46226.html Venus-Its mystery Unfolds! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36204.html Moon-lite talk! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36207.html Europa...It Lives! http://disc.server.com/Indices/8728.html The Red Planet Roundtable! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/mars.html Mars...A Serious Adventure! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/moon/index.html Moon...Serious Too!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:40:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:19:32 EDT >Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> >>Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 05:19:13 EDT >>Fwd Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 08:42:44 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:13:18 -0400 >>>Fwd Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:38:51 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos On >>>>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >>>>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:53:28 -0700 >Thanks for the very informative comments of Brad Sparks and >Bruce Maccabee on the skeptical papers of Scheaffer and Klass. >Here are some comments of my own. I thank David Rudiak for his comments on this case. A few notes: >The cornerstone of Sheaffer's attack on the Trent photos is that >the Trents, for incomprehensible reasons, supposedly lied about >the time of day and the date when the photos were taken (never >>According to Sheaffer (but later refuted by Maccabee) the >shadowing on the garage and lighting of the oil tank against the >garage could only arise from a direct morning sun, not from >lighting after sunset, as the Trents claimed. In other words, >the shadowing and lighting is the reverse of what one would >intuitively expect. Klass supplied the "reason" inhis 1973 book UFOs Explained: they took the pictures in the morning (as "proven" by shadows). They knew that no one else had seen it (model hoax). They (Klass, actually) believed that farmers would be more likely to be outside in the morning than in the evening, s they switched the time to evening to "explain" why there were no other witnesses. All very logical,. right? NOT!!! Inicidently, I was told by Evelyn several times in conversation about just how busy the Trents were in the mornings, taking care of their own animals, then she preparing for work in a factory and getting th kids off to school while Paul went on a "milk run" (driving a milk truck to the dairy farms to pick up the fresh milk..... he would have been gone from 6 or so in the morning to 10 AM or later/ Plenty of time to gin up a crude UFO hoax, wouldn't you say? >Maccabee's thesis, however, is that light scattered off of >cumulous clouds to the east could account for the shadowing as >well. Scheaffer and Klass countered that weather records from >McMinnville showed that the weather was completely clear, >therefore Maccabee's argument won't work. However Sparks just >noted that S&K first of all misread the McMinnville weather >records, which actually showed there might have been up to 10% >cloud cover at the time. And more much more seriously, they >_deliberately_ omitted more complete weather records from nearby >Salem, only 17 miles east of the Trent farm, which _prove_ that >there were cumulous clouds to the east at the exact same time > >that the Trents claimed the sighting took place. Well, the weather records don't specify the directions to the cumulous clouds ("few cu" is the notation). However (I think it was Klass whotold me this), local (small) airport weather stations record the weather within 10-15 miles of the airport...and the observers are most interested in the weather pattern within 5 miles, since this has the greatest effect on aircraft. Hence, even if the McMinnville weather observer had observered a few cumulous clouds at the limit of his range of interest (e.g., east of the Trent garage) he might not have paid any attention to them. >That's a Klassic skeptical tactic. If there is contrary >evidence, simply ignore it. Yes, but there really isn't a "controversy:" here. Weather stations are interested in th clouds (weather) within their own vicinity. >How common is the reverse shadowing shown in the Trent photos? >Let me give an example illustrating that such conditions aren't >unusual at all. About a month ago while driving north on >Interstate 5 between L.A. and San Francisco, I started talking >about the Trent case with my wife. It was late in the day, >about one hour before sunset. It had been storming all day, and >there were still scattered showers. To the west and overhead >were dark rain clouds, but to the east the sky was mostly clear >with scattered cumulous clouds. Although direct light from the >sun was completely blocked by the storm clouds, sunlight passed >over the storm clouds and scattered off the cumulous clouds to >the east. As a result, the sky to the east was actually >brighter than to the west. Very interesting. Similar to my first "sighting" (of cloud created shadows) while driving in Florida. <snip> >That's another reason why those Salem weather records are so i>mportant. Lighting conditions can change dramatically in a >space of only a few miles, as in my example. The Trent farm was >not in McMinnville proper. It was 12 miles southwest of town >out in the country and almost due west of Salem. Local weather >conditions could have been quite different on the Trent farm >compared to those in downtown McMinnville. Yes. >If Trent had taken those photos in the evening at the time >given, the sun had just set and would have been below the >horizon. Perhaps not yet set, according to Evelyn ("sun hadn't went quite down yet" or similar words to describe her recollection...as expressed to me some 25 years later!) <snip> > I took a short 2 X 4 and leaned it against the eastern wall of >my house. That was my model rafter. I did this in Maryland one evening....photographed "cloud shadows" under conditions of "reverse lighting" <snip> >These were very diffuse lighting conditions, yet the pictures >show a very distinct shadow cast on the eastern wall by the 2 x >4, something that Sheaffer said couldn't happen. The ice cream >tub showed a bright sheen on the top and shadowing underneath, >just like in the Trent photos. But according to Sheaffer, that >should only happen in bright direct sunlight. Obviously not. Note: the shadow of the horizontal edge of the roof is too "thick" to be a sun-created shadow (in the morning). >Don't buy that? Then how about the following flaw in Sheaffer's >reasoning? If the Trent photos really had been taken in the >morning in direct sunlight, as Sheaffer and Klass claim, then >there should be additional evidence of harsh shadows on other >objects in the photos. How about that power pole across the >street in photo 1, e.g., or the pine tree further in the >distance just to the left of the pole? However, when I run >luminance histograms on the left (west) and right (east) side of >these objects, there is virtually no discernible difference at >all. Maybe the east sides have histograms that are every so >slightly skewed toward lighter shades. We're talking maybe a >few percent brighter on average, but that's about it. Obviously >the illumination is indirect and very diffuse on these objects >out in the open, unsheltered by a garage wall from any lighting >to the west. Shadowing is almost nonexistent. Good point. >But according to Sheaffer, it was morning, the sun was shining >brightly in the east to account for the shading of eaves and oil >tank by the garage wall. If that were the case, then where are >the strong shadows on that power pole and pine tree? Shouldn't >they be strongly illuminated on the east side and strongly >shadowed on the west side? Like Brad Sparks pointed out, >Sheaffer is not exactly consistent in his reasoning. Also the "brightness scale" of te negatives is much lower than one wold expect for morning sun. (Brightness scale is the ratio of th brightest images to the darkest images in a scene) >And so it goes with all of Sheaffer's objections to the Trent >photos. They are internally inconsistent, sometimes downright >preposterous. The low contrast and bright underside of the >"saucer" is supposedly due to Trent making a greasy smear on the >camera lens with his finger, causing scattering of light from >light areas into dark areas. OK, but why isn't the oil tank >similarly affected? In the real world, smeared lenses don't >selectively operate on only one object in the photo and leave >another one alone. Every point in the image is the result of >light rays passing through the entirety of the lens -- basic >optics. And wouldn't lens smear result in indistinct edges to >various objects, like that saucer and oil tank? In the real >world yes. But in the Trent photos, the edges tend to be very >crisp, giving no hint of lens smear. Glare, unless _extreme_ shouldn't make the edges indistinct. "Minor" point: the tank image would be less effected than the UFO image because the UFO image is smaller and is completely surrounded by the bright smy image. It is an experimental fact that te veiling glare (light) on dark images comes mostly from immediately adjacent bright areas. >Sheaffer's article also mentions some other skeptic's theory. >Trent supposedly made his saucer out of a car mirror, so that >bright underside is reflecting light from that bright ground >illuminated by that bright morning sun. Would have to be a _very_ lightweight car mirror to produce no extra sag in the overhead wire. > Maybe Sheaffer isn't >familiar with western Oregon, but it rains there an awful lot. >When I was there April 30, everything was lush and dark green, >including the grass in the Trent's back yard that is supposed to >be reflecting that bright light up to the mirror. For >comparison, look at the Trent photos and pay attention to the >field across the road that was also covered with grass. Notice . >just how dark it is relative to everything else. Obviously the >notion that the model hoax saucer was brightly lit on the bottom >from reflection off the ground is preposterous. Yes,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:21:59 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion >After reading the posting from Jeff Rense on UpDates, I went to >his site to see his topics. Aside from a lot of anti-NWO ranting >I came across a notoriously ugly subject. I request that any UFO >investigators who may be asked to appear on Jeff Rense's show >think twice about my email below. I sent this to him today. I >believe that his published views are a damage to any legitimacy >of the field of UFO research. Josh, Regrettably, you didn't have the courtesy to post the response you received from my staff today inviting you to submit your proof that the material is a fraud. By falsely stating the link on my site to the material you object to reflects my own 'published views,' you intentionally distort reality to serve your own issues. Sorry...not 'my views' any more than are the other 3500 stories on our website. Whether this book is an old globalist trick to deflect attention to another group or whether the item is genuine remains to be seen. This needs investigating. In any case, your failure to present our answer to your letter is not indicative of balance or credibility. As is well-known, we use our website to ferret out hoaxes and frauds, from UFO hoaxes to political intrigue. We stand by to publish any credible information which would expose this material (which, by the way, is not posted on our site) as being a fraud. To provide the balance you are not interested in offering, here is the answer we kindly sent you today... Jeff Rense --- Josh, Citing the length of time you have been a 'ufo researcher' is supposed to give you special treatment status? It makes you no better that anyone else in the field...we feel all serious researchers deserve equal treatment. We have Jewish ancestry as well. Not ALL Jews think as you do. This link was actually sent to us by a Rabbi....born in Israel who feels this material to be either valid, or an astonishingly accurate/inadvertant portrayal of what is a realistic representation of a world control ethos and mechanism. This material is the subject of controversy, as are many of the thousands of documents that appear on, or through this site via a link. It is said by some, including yourself, that this book has been revealed as a fraud. If that is the case, someone will come forward with such proof and we will publish same immediately. Perhaps you will be that person. It is strange that when material discussing the murderous NWO's plans to take over the world is posted on the net, no one complains. When Communism's avowed goals to destroy America are posted, no one complains. We have noted a number of other scenarios of world dominance...and no one complains. We've done many programs on the Masons and the occult societies, no one complains. Why now? We steadfastedly support the concept that people are intelligent and discerning...and will use critical thinking when they go through the nearly 4,000 articles and stories on the site. We have always sought to debunk and expose fraud whenever possible and do not believe censorship is the answer. If this book is a hoax, we shall publish that fact to the world. That is what investigative research is all about. We hope you will assist us in exposing this as a fraud by submitting documentation we can post. Sincerely, Mary
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Triangular Ground Trace Found In Croatia From: Giuliano 'Jimmy' Marinkovicc - <9a4ag@clarc.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:00:58 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:03:41 -0400 Subject: Triangular Ground Trace Found In Croatia Distribution For UFO Groups: ============================ National TV Journal (Croatian Television Program 1) 09th of May 1999. - Sunday (report broadcast around 19:55) Reporter: Radomir Papo Camera man: Dinko Denona This is a transcript from the television program: From Pag Island (Pag Island is located in the Adriatic Sea in Croatia, Europe). The trace, in the shape of a triangle, is located on 190m high hill, Komarovac, in a very remote area, kilometers away from the town. The stone mass inside the triangular trace is stamped for 25cm (from the perspective of the surrounding untouched area). The length of the sides of the triangle are 37m*49cm (all 3 sides of the triangle have the same length). This discovery was made by "measure man" Zdenko Grbavac for surveying purposes. TV Interview: Radomir Papo: And you are 30 year in this business? Zdenko Grbavac: Yeah. Radomir Papo: And you have never found something like this? Zdenko Grbavac: I haven't found anything similar in my surveyor practice , although I have been at lot at those trigonometry points and that was all connected with my job. This is the first time I have seen this. Zdenko was also suprised by the following: Zdenko Grbavac: During my tour of this area and triangle, the difference was, that in the surrounding area you can find grass, snails, spiders and I have noticed that (in the sense that inside trace in the shape of triangle you can't find grass, snails and spiders). There are also other strange and interesting paragraphs. The stones inside triangle aren't crushed as what would be the effect from a roller during the contruction of roads. The stones are stamped as if something has hovered above and with strange forces then affected the ground. The structure and composition of the stone hasn't changed, which means that there haven't been high temperatures. The stones at the edges have also been effected by the forces. A few holes in the stones have found at the edges of the triangle sides. What kind of formation and with what strength and technology caused this to happen is the question for many scientists and ufologists. Zdenko and his son Kruno have an answer. Zdenko Grbavac: I asked Kruno what do you think about that, and he says "it looks like a space ship". COMMENTS OF THE AGETI_MASTER: The area of Pag Island has been long known to ufologists. During 1967, a triangular UFO was sighted above Pag Island and also it has been monitored by local police. There was a second famous sighting during December 1997. It was also monitored by police. The POLARIS team (Polaris is national UFO group) and I were on the ground during the investigation of the 1997 case. A few official explenations have been offered (weather ballon, planet venus, aurora, reflection from the Moon, ice particals in the atmosphere etc)... We didn't find those explanations valid. The investigation continues... The POLARIS team and I will go to the site this week. I will let you know about further data.... Best regards: ========================================================================== AGETI - WORLD WIDE HAMRADIO GROUP ANALYTICAL GROUP FOR EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL INFORMATIONS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAIN SYSOP: | POST ADDRESS: 9A4AG - GIULIANO MARINKOVICC - JIMMY | ANTE STARCHEVICCA 25/C | 23000 ZADAR | CROATIA, EUROPE -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TELEPHONE: | PACKET RADIO ADDRESS: for international calls: | 9A4AG@9A0YSI.SBK.HRV.EU +385-23-430-970 | for calls inside Croatia: | E-MAIL ADDRESS: 023/430-970 | 9a4ag@s55tcp.ampr.org | or | 9a4ag@9a0tcp.ampr.org | or | 9a4ag@clarc.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE MODE | 9A4AG's and AGETI HOME PAGE: | http://www.clarc.org/~9a4ag AMPRn WW UFO channel 1947 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGETI IS A GROUP OF RADIO-AMATEURS WHO ARE EXCHANGING WORLD WIDE INFORMATIONS, VIEWS AND NEWS ABOUT THE EXTRA-TERRESTIRAL SUBJECT!!! ==========================================================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Sharon Kardol <sharonk@hotmix.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:33:54 +0800 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:06:09 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:08:04 +0100 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100 <snip> >Much the same applies to oberved abductions such as the Anders >case in Sweden or the Gaynor Sunderland case in Wales or the >best known of all in Franklin, Victoria, Australia (Maureen >Puddy). Here the witness experiences an abduction whilst seen by >others and having clearly gone nowhere in a physical, bodily >sense. You cannot ignore these cases. <snip> Hi there Jenny, Unrelated to the point of your post (even though I happen to agree), would you have any details of the Maureen Puddy case? Tried to get them, but so far they have eluded me. Thanks and cheers, SharonK
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 99 10:54:32 PDT Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:28:56 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion Hi, Josh, >After reading the posting from Jeff Rense on UpDates, I went to >his site to see his topics. Aside from a lot of anti-NWO ranting >I came across a notoriously ugly subject. I request that any UFO >investigators who may be asked to appear on Jeff Rense's show >think twice about my email below. I sent this to him today. I >believe that his published views are a damage to any legitimacy >of the field of UFO research. You're absolutely right, factually and morally. Conspiracy-hate literature, of which the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is among the most notorious (and the most repeatedly exposed as false), has no place in ufological discourse. For that matter, it has no place in the discourse of civilized human beings. I hope Jeff Rense will take your advice and withdraw this vile document immediately. All best, Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 11 Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:12:47 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:55:04 -0400 Subject: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] > From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> > Subject: Re: Tesla > Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:57:23 -0400 > > >Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 16:14:57 -0700 > >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> > >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> > >Subject: Re: Tesla > > >>One estimate I made: If the signal went at the speed of lightto > >>the tenth power, it would take > >>1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of a second to travel > >>186 miles. How would Tesla have measured such a small time > >>interval? And this is VASTLY slower than the speed of light to > >>the 27th power! > > >Well Greg, > > >You can contact The Tesla Foundation. > > Not at all. You're the one who believes this stuff, even though > it doesn't make the slightest sense. So why don't you contact > them, first to make sure you understand what they're saying, > and -- if you got it right -- to have them tell you why they're > not talking nonsense? I always wince a little when I hear a dismissive, and judgmental assessment like this remembering that the man who is the most vociferous about being right is most often wrong. A lot of significant murk has been raised over the years regarding Tesla, not the least of which is a report I've heard on the odd classification of his papers in the interest of national security. Admitting it's not proof of free power, faster than light drive, or any other kind of free lunch <g>, I think that it is a significant lead beyond the pale, none the less. An item like that gets lost to easily in skeptibunky smirks. Perhaps Tesla is another item bearing righteous investigation _not_ forthcoming? > I'd also like to make a more general comment. > > I agree with you that traditional science can't explain > everything in the universe, and that scientists can be > closed-minded about phenomena they don't understand. Boy -- I wish a lot more of _them_ had your attitude! <g>. > But that doesn't mean that everyone who challenges traditional > science -- Tesla, for example, or those who support him -- is > automatically right. Nor does it mean that scientists are > automatically wrong every time they oppose a new claim. I think we can agree that not enough of them cop to it when they are, though. Cops don't tell on cops. Preachers don't tell on preachers. Scientists don't tell on scientists? A broad brush -- but sticky paint? > If I may > use a sports analogy, you have a right to root for your favorite > team (in this case, those who challenge traditional science). But > you have to be objective, and realize that your team doesn't win > every game. It doesn't get any fairer than that, and you get a reflexive 'amen' from me. > Finally, consider this. Closed-mindedness is, unfortunately, a > human characteristic, not limited to scientists. But not _expected_ or in any way advertised in scientists. They pay an awful lot of lip service to being trained out of it, and so misrepresent themselves a little bit. This seems valid. Scienticic ethics providing cover for something we agree happens all the time. > Anyone can have > a closed mind, and all of us are most likely to act like we have > one when somebody criticizes the ideas we most cherish. And again the scientist alludes that they can operate beyond even _that_ particular pale, don't you agree? Consider all their double blinds, data recording techniques, and peer review? Isn't the peer review's responsibility to perform the peer review, perhaps, a lot like the CIA performing an internal investigation and finding itsself faultless in every degree, and category? > Somebody > who loves Tesla can be just as closed-minded as the chairman of > the physics department at the most conservative university. Fairly put, but that conservative is coasting on a lot of juice and perogative that the tesla lover will never see -- and why _are_ those papers of Tesla classified anyway? Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Re: New Face on Mars From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:01 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:53:33 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars Dear Larry, Mitch, Terry and List: >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 17:38:05 -0700 >Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:30:46 -0400 >Subject: Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS >What do I see? >I see craters, ridges etc. of all sizes and types, plus some >rough surfaces and other now typical natural features. >I cannot find anything vaguely resembling a face, unless you are >referring to the top portion of link #1 above. Here, two craters >of roughly equal size straddle a ridge from an older larger >crater.. vaguely suggesting eyes and a nose. and >From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 >Fwd Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:47:42 -0400 >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >I see many of you still do not believe your eyes...Please take the time >to look through this link of the latest images... ><http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=8728&article=14419> I'm with Larry. Where is the face? It looks like a crater to me. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:13:52 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:45:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos Bruce, David and List: What about the matter of the image of the overhead wire changing its size in the same proportion and the image change for the UFO model? It was suggested that this showed they were at the same approximate distance from the camera in the two shots taken from different places on the property?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Mass Disappearances... From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:52:52 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:01:44 -0400 Subject: Mass Disappearances... Dear List, I wonder if some of you might be able to help me with a bit of slightly off topic research? Does anyone know what the largest mass disappearance and also the largest mass suicide in history has been? And, if different, the largest in U.S. history? As always, thanks so much for your time! -Scott C. Carr Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette http://www.erols.com/sardonica Producer, "UFO Desk" 99.5 FM WBAI, NY
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Re: New Face on Mars From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:07:07 -0500 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:05:40 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 >From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars Terry James wrote: >I see many of you still do not believe your eyes... To which I reply...I do believe me eyes, what I don't believe is your ludicrous, downright laughable, conclusions based on a cosmic roscharch test. Shall I start uploading my Virgin Mary ruffles potato chips and yellow squash that looks like Bilbo Baggins to better make my point? John W. Ratcliff Still Sane 38 years and counting.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:27:56 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >I am fairly new to this list and this is my first post. I have >been lingering in the shadows of these many conversations, >listening to researchers and skeptics alike opine about me and >people like me - abductees. I have found this thread between >the two of you to be very interesting. >I cannot say that I am familiar with the experiences of many >other abductees. I do not have a pool of testimonies from which >to evaluate and form an opinion. I have only the experiences of >myself and my family to draw upon. I have been investigating my >involvement in this phenomenon for the past six years. I have >undergone thirty-five hypnotic regressions, and countless days >and nights of contemplation in an attempt to make some sense of >what has been happening to me and my children. >I would like to comment, Ms. Randles, on your view that "the >form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the >mental images in a persons consciousness." Seven years ago my >son, who at the time was six years old, came running into my >bedroom on an early Saturday morning. He was a bundle of >anxiety, his little hands shaking and his brow sweating as he >attempted to tell me what had him so frightened. He spoke of >two "weird things" that had come into his bedroom. They were >gray in color, had very large heads, skinny bodies, and great >big, black eyes. There was a tall one and a smaller one. The >tall one seemed like a "doctor" while the smaller one seemed >kind of "not as smart." The child told me of how these beings >looked deep into his eyes and, upon doing so, the child could no >longer move. >My son spoke more of the event. I then asked him to draw a >picture of the figures he had seen. The child produced a pencil >sketch of what is seen today as your "typical" greys, one tall >one and one short one. >This child knew nothing of Budd Hopkins, abductions, or little >gray men. He had not read "Intruders". At this time there was no >"Sightings" TV show. There was no possible means that could even >allude to media contamination. I can say quite confidently that >the child had no alien "mental images" prior to this event in >his "consciousness". In all aspects, the child was unblemished. >He did not perceive something to be something because of >something. What he saw was real. >Mr. Clark, I would like to thank you for your obvious empathy >for people who have such experiences as do I and my family. >Your consideration of the experient is as a breath of fresh air. >Best regards, >Allison Reed I take what Allison says very seriously. But please do not equate support for the literal reality of greys as empathy and doubts in this regard for lack of sympathy with witnesses. I have met dozens of witnesses such as yourself, worked with quite a few for months or years and have not one shred of doubt that you are totally sincere and genuinely experiencing a real phenomenon. But a real phenomenon and a literal alien visitation are two very different things. When I say that the form that the experience takes is determined within the consciousness of the witness I do not mean that it is made up or imaginary and based upon watching too much TV. That simplistic answer is offered by sceptics but will convince nobody who has ever met an abductee. This process, whatever it is, as suggested by the complex evidence is a confusing one that may well link in to the very nature of reality itself and how consciousness occurs. That to me is a very exciting possibility. I have my reservations about actual aliens in spaceships because the evidence is contradictory. There are excellent pieces of data such as that provided by Allison. But you have to balance against it the clear signs of cultural tracking and the role played by consciousness. I dont have easy answers to this confusion. But it is there nonetheless. any honest appraisal of the sum of the data has to see the balance and the deep questions posed by it. I know this seems like I am denying your experience or not empathising with your plight - and that I am sceptical of the reality of what has happened to you. In fact I am none of these things. I suspect that another intelligence is in contact with us. I am really only challenging the commonly held view that this is a straightforward greys from planet alpha flying here in ships and physically kidnapping witnesses to perform dastardly experiments. Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Let us hope I am right and the truth will be more enlightening than frightening, but I know I might not be. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Blather: Unconventional Means II From: Daev Walsh - Blather <daev@blather.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:24:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:03:52 -0400 Subject: Blather: Unconventional Means II ______________________________________________________ B L A T H E R p a r a n o r m a l p r o v o c a t e u r i s m By Dave (daev) Walsh daev@blather.net Web: http://www.blather.net _______________________________________________________ May 11th 1999, Dublin, Ireland Vol 2. No. 43 _______________________________________________________ Lily O'Briens is a manufacturer of premium handmade chocolates located in the heart of County Kildare in the Emerald Green Island of Ireland. Surf along to their website and feast your eyes - and order via our secure server! http://www.lilyobriens.ie/ ______________________________________________________ Unicorn Jones is the new band comprising David Banks, John Beck and Dick Nolan. Check out their album *A Hundred Thousand Million Stars* at http://www.unicornjones.com/ ______________________________________________________ UNCONVENTIONAL MEANS II - THE SUNDAY Having savoured the delights of Saturday night London, and after crept into my bed with the sun well above the horizon, this Blatherskite was in rag-order by the time he stumbled into the Commonwealth Institute on Kensington's High St., a little too late to barge-in and search for the thread of Jan Bondeson's 11 o'clock 'Basilisks, Vegetable Lambs, Stuffed Mermaids and Other Monsters and Marvels from Old Natural History', or Daniel Wojcik's 'From Spirit Photos to Apocalyptic Polaroids'. If we hadn't been so tardy, we would have lurched into the latter, familiar as we are already with vegetable lambs, and Bondeson's *A Cabinet of Medical Curiosities* (I.B. Tauris, 1997, ISBN 1-86064-228-4), and intrigued by what Wojcik had to say... Instead we managed to make it to see Ted Harrison's 'Pre Millennial Tension' at 1200. Harrison - writer, TV producer and journalist - gave forth on the symptoms of tension appearing in the months before the (alleged) change of millennium. We say alleged, as Harrison, Robert Anton Wilson, Arthur C. Clarke, Conor Cruise O'Brien, and others (including this Blatherskite), seem to be sporting wry grins at the current 'glitz and glamour' attitude leading up to January 1st 2000, guessing that if it weren't for the romanticism of fine round numbers (ahem, '2000'), there's bugger all else to celebrate, contentious as our current calendrics seem to be (and that isn't to say that this writer *won't* be celebrating... like we need an excuse). As in Daniel Wojcik's talk in part I of 'UnConventional Means', Harrison enjoys pointing out the daftness of it all, the coming about of the belief in Messianic return, the disillusionment of prominent Y2K consultants, their subsequent fleeing to rural bunkers, and the fact that apparently 25 per cent of the United States population believe that 'Jesus will return in their lifetime'. This millennial tension - as opposed to millennium - is nothing new, we know - the Old Testament documents as much. The current spate of it, is, relatively speaking, nothing new either - Rev. Billy Graham was stirring it up back in '73. This methodology appears to be rooted in getting one's people on the edge of expectation, of imminent change. Harrison has recently been to Jerusalem, and entertained us (at least those of us with finely tuned cruel black humour) with tales of 'Jerusalem Syndrome', a psychological state suffered by many visitors to the city, consisting of several steps: Anxiousness of the Christian tourist to Jerusalem Breaking away from main tour group Purification - washing, ridding of worldly possessions... The wearing of white robes Singing Preaching Most sufferers recover after a week - for others it's not so simple... Harrison reckons that, in a few years, we may see a new condition appearing: 'Anti-Climax Syndrome' - a 21st Century version of the Millerite 'Great Disappointment' of the 1840s - and again impacted by constant 're-calculation' of the allegedly impending apocalypse. He notes with dry amusement some of the millennialists who, in recent times, flew to Jerusalem for the End of the World - but bought return tickets. He also proposes a dip in Christian end-time tension after 2000, hitting a low in the second decade of the new millennium, and rising again in time for 2033 - to 'celebrate' the crucifixion. As for the Y2K bug problem - Harrison reckons that, in some ways, millennial studies can tell us far more about the bug than knowledge of computers. He is sceptical about massive disaster scenarios, but he says that if his toaster isn't working on 01/01/02000, he'll eat his words... After lunch, and the Charles Fort Institute AGM, we were off to see neuropsychologist Professor Sergio Della Sala of Aberdeen University discussing 'Mind Myths: Exploring Popular Assumptions about the Mind and Brain'. Della Sala has to be one of the most entertaining speakers we have ever encountered - his university lectures must be a howl, interspersed with comedy and trickery... at one point he walked to the front of the stage asking the audience members to raise their right hands... and say 'banana'. Like good students, we did so... He clicked onto the next slide... which said something like 'At approximately 2:15pm on Sunday 25th April 1999, several hundred people in an auditorium in Kensington will say 'banana' for no apparent reason...' Della Sala isn't shy about criticising the pervasive myths abounding about the mind - he carefully points out the differences between what we actually 'know' about the brain, and what popular opinion and media assumes we 'know'. He went on to show some of the cognitive disorders that he has been studying - using such test as 'the burning house' - conditions, where for instance, a patient can only 'see' half of their 'visible' universe - if shown, e.g. a cow, and told to draw it - *they will only draw half the cow*... Professor Sergio Della Sala http://www.psyc.abdn.ac.uk/homedir/sergio/sergio.htm With the tiniest of breaks, it was once more into the breach, and on to Lyn Picknett and Clive Prince's - 'Masters of the Millennium' - a a sharp criticism of the 'new egyptologists' Hancock, Temple, Bauval and West. Picknett and Prince, authors of *The Turin Shroud: In Whose Image?* and *The Templar Revelation: Secret Guardian of the True Identity of Christ*, sought to reveal the occult, ultra-right-wing roots of the alternative Egyptology of Hancock, Temple, West and Bauval, by tracing it back to French mathematician Schwaller de Lubicz, who, as Picknett and Prince allege, was a known fascist and racist, since venerated for his pyramid theories by the new egyptologists. We won't even *attempt* to try and recreate the picture drawn in the lecture, but suffice to say it referenced Aleister Crowley's Cairo Working - i.e. *The Book of the Law*, Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy's influence on Nazism, Edgar Cayce's Atlantis beliefs, millennialist belief in hidden Egyptian secrets which, when discovered, will prompt apocalyptic change, corralling of circumstantial evidence to fit a given hypothesis... All of this apparently leads the current popular 'understanding' of what 'Egypt is all about', thanks to the proliferation and easy accessibility of the bestsellers on Alternative Egyptology. Egyptology is something that we at Blather tend to steer clear of, as it's a vast and controversial minefield that we have neither the time or conviction to devote our time too. However this talk, even if relying heavily on circumstantial evidence was a delight - Picknett and Prince weave a damn fine story... stay tuned for their new book on the subject... A dash upstairs saw those improbable peers, the celebrated Duke of Mendoza and the honoured Count O'Blather, loitering at the back of the hall for Ian Simmons' 'Proof of Everything'. Ian, a biologist and contributing editor to *Fortean Times*, sought to illustrate a model for the most advantageous use of the fragile concept of 'proof'. He broke it down into three main areas: Personal Proof Legal Proof Scientific Proof This talk was arguably the most practically applicable of the weekend, yet some audience members fell prey to Sunday afternoon jitters and seemed displeased with the 'academic' content. Shame on them - Simmons' knowledge, wit and charm are not to be dismissed lightly. In fact, Ian has furnished us with a copy of his talk, so that we may quote from it - saves us from mucking up what we thought he said... Personal proof, says he, is often confused with the other two - "I believe this is true - you have to trust me that it is" - akin to religious belief - or as Simmons puts it, 'Many UFO reports, cryptozoological sightings, alien abductions and psychic events are in the realm of personal proof, we have to rely on the stories of the experiencers who believe it, but can produce no corroboration from other people or physical traces of the event'...'in essence, the evidence is the proof'. Legal Proof - 'This collects the evidence, and tries to prove something "beyond reasonable doubt" while it is more objective than personal proof, it is still to some degree subjective. It is designed to gather all the material evidence and personal testimonies of people involved in an occurrence and to work out from them a consensus of what took place under a particular set of non-repeatable conditions. This does not mean something is absolutely objectively true, just that the consensus of informed opinion viewing the evidence thinks it is so.' Scientific proof is different in that 'it is an objective method which makes an attempt to pin something down in a way which is testable and repeatable to anyone, with all the parameters influencing a phenomenon understood so that it can be reproduced at will. It works by proposing hypotheses which can be tested. These must account for all observed phenomena, must have predictable outcomes, must be able to generate further testable predictions and must be disprovable.' Questions? Flames? At 1700 hours, we prepared ourselves for the final talk of the day, Peter Brookesmith's hilarious 'Flying Round Armageddon: Ufology and the coming Apocalypse'. Brookesmith touched on areas covered by both Harrison and Daniel Wojcik, but with his own quintessential brand of acerbic wit - such as proposing Nick Pope (who used to record UFO sightings for the British Ministry of Defence) as the possible Antichrist. Brookesmith, 'gun-toting lecher' and 'known' Mossad intelligence officer, painted a picture of how ufological belief - beginning as a 'solution' to doomed humanity, has achieved a more negative millennial approach over the last fifty years, with the change from the positivist UFO contactees of the 1950s, to the apparent horrific abductions of the last couple of decades. Brookesmith is quick to point out that if the Christian 'rapture' does occur - and they're all sucked up into heaven, 'The World Bigotry Index will drop like a rock.'... And so - despite fond farewells, and gin expeditions with agents Wojcik, Brookesmith and Barrett (with sundry members of ASSAP and some lady doing a thesis on 19th century erotica), the arguably last UnConvention of the Millennium achieved closure, or something. There was naught left to do but gather the flock together to search the public houses of Notting Hill...'Oh show us the way to the next absinthe bar...oh don't ask why...' Later on: 'I took another big swig of absinthe, and by the time we left the Pharmacy, my heart was full of joy... I felt like a human reincarnation of Spring Heel Jack... the Man on the Moon, and just weird enough to be totally confident...' Dave Walsh 11th May 1999 ______________________________________________________ [Speakers we didn't see on the Sunday of UnCon: Jan Bondeson, Daniel Wojcik, Michael Cremo, Jack Cohen, Lionel Fanthorpe, Tony Healy, and the ASSAP results...any reader wishing to comment, contact Blather...] As for speakers we missed on Saturday, Paul Holloway has come up with the goods: ______________________________________________________ Randles' talk comprised her own findings on precognition, and experiments with the audience. The results of the experiments were less than impressive, but as they were a part of a wider experiment, we will have to wait until the results are published in a future copy of FT before we can assess them properly. Much of the material presented by Randles was taken from her book 'Time Travel: Fact, Fiction and Possibility' (Blandford 1994, ISBN 0-7137-2404-8). She observed that precognition often foresees the experiences of the subject, who might see a news report in a dream rather than the event itself. This observation was also made by Dunne, in 'An Experiment With Time' (A & C Black, 1927), which inspired Randles' experiments. Dunne dreamed of the eruption of Krakatoa in 1902. He knew in the dream that 4000 people died, and it was not until 15 years later that he realised he had misread the total, which was in fact 40,000. It would seem that his dream of the number of dead was related to his future misreading of the newspaper headline. Randles related another interesting tale: A woman had a dream of making banana sandwiches, when a friend phoned to tell her that her boyfriend had fallen off his motorcycle and was in hospital. In the dream she incongruously replied "Oh yes!" and burst into laughter. She told her friend and boyfriend about this dream, and so, the next day, when her friend called her to tell her that her boyfriend had fallen off his motorcycle and was in hospital, she assumed he was joking, and responded, more congruously in context, "Oh yes!" and burst into laughter. There is a certain exquisite paradox contained within this tale. Randles also mentioned the apparent relationship between the accuracy of a precognition and the event's distance in time. The further away in time the event foreseen, the less likely it will transpire. This is interesting as it suggests some sort of mathematical law in operation. Randles also mentioned the often cited 'fact' that emotionally charged events are easier to foresee than the mundane. She intends to set up a premonitions 'newsdesk' on the Internet, with the aim of using the increased speed of communication we now enjoy to correlate premonitions, and assess their predictive value. If this works we might have a way of predicting or even avoiding disasters! Paul Holloway paul.holloway1@virgin.net ______________________________________________________ As Blather didn't get a chance to suss it out, Very Special Agent K was checking out the 'Mind Machine': ______________________________________________________ The Mind Machine experiment was a touch screen monitor and video experiment. I approached it cautiously, flanked by my two snazzy companions, the three of us were curious about the device advertised to travel the world collecting psi data. It did not match the Star Trek brain tube chamber we were expecting, rather it looked rather benign on its sleek pedestal. After pressing the invitation to begin, I was addressed by the image of an earnest scientist in a video lab. Our Video Host informed us that the experiment was going to travel around to various populations and ask the same questions of each person thus forming a database for psi-research. With that all too brief explanation, I began the Test. First I had to select my gender, then I was informed that the experiment would be trying to predict the outcome of four coin tosses, how many guesses did I think I would get correct. This caused me to blink a lot while figuring out the implications of psychically guessing my psychic abilities, and I was already off balance trying to figure out what aspect of the video toss I was supposed to influence. Luckily I got prodded by my companions or else I would have stood there caught up in the maze of paradoxical logic thrashing possibilities. I selected that I would get 2 out of 4 questions correct, being hobbled back to statistics. I was then shown a dual image of a British coin, heads and tails, too quickly for my American brain to do anything more then go 'Ah'. Then the Test really got weird. Surreal is an understatement when describing the strange moment in which I was watching a video clip of a coin flipping through the air, I had selected tails, it landed heads. I wasn't really paying attention to the toss, I was trying to figure out if I should be influencing the video computer's selection of clips, or send my little psi-abilities across the space-time-sex continuum and try to influence the initial toss. Sigh, such a Luddite. Anyhow I kept picking tails because I'm perverse and so succeeded in getting one guess correctly. Thus rendering my initial guess of two coin toss guesses wrong. But what I really wanted to know was the premise of this experiment. Give me a live action toss and I got the objective of influencing the coin's landing. But this beastie seemed to have a whole lot more going on with it in terms of variables. The aspect of time was strongly felt by all three of us, the machine as our interface made me feel like Milo with the eye dropper in the Phantom Tollbooth. So with that weirdness behind we went into the ASSAP live experiments. ______________________________________________________ KUDOS Congratulations to the folks of the Centre for Fortean Zoology for having not one - but two run-ins with the police during the UnCon weekend... all for having bald tires... Send all remoulds to: http://www.eclipse.co.uk/cfz/ Fortean Times http://www.forteantimes.com The Charles Fort Institute http://www.forteana.org Wild paraphrasing from *Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas* Hunter S. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 5/11: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN From: Diana Botsford <Diana_Botsford@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:39:47 -0500 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:07:53 -0400 Subject: 5/11: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN The UFO Community on MSN is available at http://communities.msn.com/ufo/default.asp All chats are accessible by using either our built in chat page, MS Chat or any IRC client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the channel/room name is #briefing. ======================================== ***Ancient Astronauts Returned? Chat with Erich von Daniken Wednesday, May 12th 7pm, PT Ever since Erich von Daniken's book 'Chariots of the Gods?' an idea started to circulate around the world: extraterrestrials visited Earth thousands and thousands of years ago. What is considered to be archaeological ruins and artifacts to some, are consider by Daniken's organization - the AAS RA - to be traces and evidence of Ancient Astronauts. We caught up with Erich and his colleague Giorgio Tsoukalos for an audio interview on the pros & cons of the Ancient Astronaut theory and it's relation to UFOs. We recommend listening to the interview prior to Wednesday's chat. The AAS RA is determined to prove, using scientific methods, whether or not ET has visited Earth in the remote past. To find out more about their work, you can visit their site at http://www.aas-ra.org. You'll find a full schedule of von Daniken's appearances in the next few weeks. What artifacts constitute such evidence? And how does AAS RA intend to obtain the recognition of the scientific community? Join us on Wednesday at 7pm, PT for this special chat at http://communities.msn.com/ufo. ***Why can Politics help the Science of UFOs? Diana Botsford to guest host on The Laura Lee Show Wednesday, May 12th 9pm, PT http://www.talkspot.com In a bold effort to gain congressional attention, guests Bob Bletchman and Larry Bryant - veteran Ufologists of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), have drafted a ballot initiative for next year's elections in various states. Can the call for disclosure help or hurt the pursuit of science? UFO Lobbyist Stephen Bassett will also join the discussion to help sort out what lies ahead in this latest grass roots movement. Botsford will also discuss the upcoming international World Wide Watch night - with participants all over the world scouting the skies for UFOs. ========================================= Chats This Week at the UFO Community on MSN: SUNDAYS - The Politics of UFOs - 6pm, PT TUESDAYS - This Week in the News - 6pm, PT WEDNESDAYS - Ancient Connections- 7pm, PT THURSDAYS - UFO Skeptics - 7pm, PT FRIDAYS - The Science of UFOs - 8pm, PT SATURDAYS - Abductions - 1pm, PT - 9pm, GMT SATURDAYS - General Discussion - 6pm, PT Our chat room is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for discussion relating to any UFO issues. ======================================== ***The Science of UFOs: Can Ionocraft Levitation Really Work? This commentary and drawing are courtesy of a UFO Community member best known as 'whiterobe'. We encourage your comments and critiques of his ideas. Join the discussion. ***The Screening Room Takes on Star Wars The Aliens of Star Wars. How far off the beaten path did Lucas go? Join the discussion. ======================================= We look forward to seeing you online. Diana Botsford Publisher/Forum Manager UFO Forum http://communities.msn.com/UFO - - - - - - "To follow knowledge like a sinking star, Beyond the utmost bound of human thought . . . To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." Tennyson's Ulysses ************************ The ufo listserv is a free service of MSN's UFO Forum. To subscribe, send email to majordomo@Majordomo.net In the body of the message write: subscribe ufo To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@Majordomo.net In the body of the message write: unsubscribe ufo
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:15:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:29:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:12:47 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] >>Anyone can have >>a closed mind, and all of us are most likely to act like we have >>one when somebody criticizes the ideas we most cherish. >And again the scientist alludes that they can operate beyond >even _that_ particular pale, don't you agree? Consider all their >double blinds, data recording techniques, and peer review? Isn't >the peer review's responsibility to perform the peer review, >perhaps, a lot like the CIA performing an internal investigation >and finding itsself faultless in every degree, and category? This is a thoughtful point, but I disagree. "Peer review," in science, doesn't refer to any examination of the full structure of scientific thought. It's a practice used for relatively narrow matters. To take an example from my own field, suppose I want to publish a paper on aspects of musical form in Haydn's symphonies. If I submitted it to a scholarly journal in music, they'd have it read by authorities on Haydn. The disadvantage of that, if you like, is that if I wanted to say something really radical, maybe the authorities would prove to be conservative, and would reject the paper simply because they didn't like what it says. The advantage, however, is that -- under ordinary circumstances -- it saves us from reading nonsense. Suppose I had interesting ideas, for instance, but didn't know my facts. Suppose I had some grand theory about how events in Haydn's life influenced the development of his music, but I'd done careless research, and didn't really know the facts about his life. Situations like that are what peer review is meant to deal with. If you like, you can think of it as a kind of licensing procedure. Sometimes it's really helpful to know that somebody really knows his or her stuff. Like when you need a plumber...you really don't want to get involved with argument about the conservatism of the plumber's union. You just want to be sure that the plumber really knows how toilets work. We should understand that most scientific and scholarly papers don't deal with radical questions, where conservatism and closed-mindedness are likely to affect peer review. Most scientific papers deal with small, high technical matters, which may, in the long run, prove really useful -- if, that is, they're correct!. The very fact that we're communicating all this by e-mail, for instance, is the result of lots of scientific work over the years. We ought to be grateful that it was peer-reviewed -- that, for instance, people making tiny contributions to the science that goes into computer chip design were required to show that they knew what they were talking about. Because of that, we have computers that work. Science, in any case, isn't nearly as conservative as many of us on this list seem to think. Because we're dealing with UFOs, we run up against one of science's well-known blind spots. But scientists are forever overturning each others' theories, and radical new ideas are often accepted -- as, for instance, when it was recently proved that adult mammals can grow new brain cells, something that scientific orthodoxy had long held to be impossible. A day or so ago, somebody posted an article he'd written for UFO magazine in Britain, about faster than light travel. He cited something from a 1995 issue of New Scientist, about an experiment that seemed to show that subatomic particles may sometimes -- in very restricted quantum circumstances -- travel faster than light. This, of course, is something that Einstein's theories, universally accepted by physicists, hold to be impossible. Nevertheless, there was the data, right in a scientific publication -- data about experiments (of which the article posted here cited only one) which seem to prove that Einstein was wrong. These experiments weren't suppressed, weren't classified, weren't forbidden -- instead, they were presented as fascinating information that absolutely had to be dealt with, and were duly discussed at considerable length, not just in one issue of New Scientist, but in succeeding ones as well. And has anyone here read much about quantum theory? That stuff is _not_ conservative, not by miles. Some of it -- like the experiments that show beams of electrons occupying two places at the same time, or work that shows particles influencing each other at great distances without any apparent mechanism -- is pretty wild. >>Somebody >>who loves Tesla can be just as closed-minded as the chairman of >>the physics department at the most conservative university. >Fairly put, but that conservative is coasting on a lot of juice and >perogative that the tesla lover will never see -- and why _are_ those >papers of Tesla classified anyway? But some Tesla lovers, to judge from some of the stuff that's been posted here, say things that make absolutely no sense. And if they're not peer reviewed, they're not held to any standard of responsibility. That is, they could write absolutely anything, true or not, and the rest of us reading them would have no way of knowing whether their claims were accurate. So we have a dilemma, one that's not easily solved. It's true that orthodox scientists have advantages -- status, access to funding and the media -- that Tesla advocates don't have. It's also true that with that status comes a certain conservatism. But at the same time, people advocating things that science rejects can sometimes be irresponsible, making claims there isn't really evidence for. And nobody's policing them, the way scientists (within their limitations) police themselves. There's no reason we have to accept this irresponsibility, just because we don't like some of the ways that scientists operate. I'll give a small example. The post I referred to, about faster than light travel, had some mistakes. I was curious about the citation from New Scientist, and was able to find the article on the web. I discovered that the writer of the post was right in some ways -- that is, there really had been experiments that appeared to show subatomic particles moving faster than light. But the writer had also omitted some important points, which -- for the sake of fairness, accuracy, and scientific objectivity -- should have been mentioned. First, these experiments don't present data that's beyond any dispute. This is scientific work at a very early stage of development. The experiments need to be replicated, for one thing. Furthermore, scientists dispute their meaning. Some think that the experimental data does not, in fact, show anything moving faster than light. Others think that the data can be reconciled with Einstein's theories, even if, superficially, it seems to violate them. Second, these experiments don't even begin to suggested that spaceships or human beings could travel faster than light. The experiments deal with quantum phenomena, which include many paradoxes (some of which I mentioned earlier). Many quantum phenomena appear to violate the kind of physical laws we're used to in everyday life, but that doesn't mean that the physical laws aren't valid. Quantum phenomena, on the subatomic level, seem to obey rules of their own -- rules that don't apply to the world human beings inhabit. So it's not clear that anyone can take these faster-than-light experiments, and generalize from them into the world of everyday physics. It's not like somebody took a potato, let's say, and hurled it across a football field at speeds faster than light. That would poke a huge hole in Einstein's theories. Instead, these experiments made photons seem to move faster than light, which is a very different thing. A photon isn't even an object, the way a potato or a spaceship is. (And, as one scientist said, commenting on the experiments, photons _are_ light! So the experiment seems to show light moving faster than its usual speed, which, possibly, might not quite mean the same thing as something else moving that fast.) In a peer-reviewed journal, the writer of this post would have had to mention these things. He'd have to dot his i's, and cross his t's -- he'd have to give all relevant data, rather than simply the parts of the story that suited his purposes. And, yes, I've seen peer-reviewed papers that completely misrepresented the abduction phenomenon, so, once again, I'll grant that peer review isn't always faultless. A little of it, though, would be really welcome to keep us grounded when we talk about things that science rejects. Which reminds me -- how do we know that Tesla's papers really were classified? And if they were, how do we know that the classified papers said anything radical? Just asking.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 04:33:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:35:50 -0400 Subject: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 Dear list members: For those who may not have seen it, here is my computer map of the great French wave of October 1954. http://www.jps.net/larryhat/EURO54.html Late October and Early November, the wave seemed to spill over into central Italy. It was often said/written that if enough data came in, countries adjoining France would probably show a similar wave. To date, and with hundreds of sources, such evidence has not appeared here. Please use the "Return to .." links below the text to see more maps and other displays. Best wishes - Larry Hatch Europe: Sept - Nov 1954. These sightings are shown as 3-pixel white marks for visibility. Data is for 3 months only: September thru November 1954. The vast majority of these were in October. While most sightings were in France, activity then shifted into Italy by late October. This is the largest single UFO wave on record. One cartoon of that time depicts townspeople laughing at the village idiot. "He's the one who didn't see the flying saucers!" says the
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Photo Needed For A Book In Progress From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:47:26 -0400 Subject: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress C/O: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> From: Benford4PR@aol.com Via: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: photo needed for a book in progress Good evening: I am the author of eight published books with Harper & Row, Random House, Scribner's, et al. Four of my books have been about World War II, others covered the Space Program, The British Royal Family, and two were novels. I am working on a new World War II book which will have 30 separate stories (each as a chapter) dealing with odd and unusual occurrences and incidents and strange stories from the war years. One such chapter will deal with the alleged German UFOs and Foo Fighters. Perhaps they will be two different chapters, I'm not certain yet. To get to the point: earlier this year on the Sightings TV show, I saw a story that showed what appeared to be architectural blue prints or drawings of a full disc-shaped saucer. Whether this thing actually existed or not can be properly treated in my written copy. Frankly I believe we have been visited, I'm just not certain if all the German UFO copy that's around is genuine. However, I have been unable to find or locate anyone who has a copy of this or other such drawings of German UFOs. The one I saw on TV looked rather good and professionally done. I would very interested in including such a photo in the chapter. Naturally, I will give proper photo credit to the source who supplies the photo, mention them in the acknowledgments, and send along a copy or two of the finished book. Can you help me find the photo or direct me to someone who has one? You can check my credentials on amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com. Between them they have about 20 copies of my books, some current but many in Books Out of Print or the Used Books sections. Regards, Tim Benford Benford4PR@aol.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Smoking Gun? From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:51:55 -0400 Subject: Smoking Gun? I cannot confirm what I'm writing and even if I can, I may not be in position to disclose the data necessary for a general peer review. This is directed to those on the List who may have participated in the operation or have confirmable data on it. The alleged UFO event is a crash in the Pacific Rim region - I was asked not to disclose the location nor the exact year - that occurred in the late 50's. Allegedly, Chinese officials, CIA officials, and local government officials participated in the retrieval operations. Some members of the civilian personnel or others who came first, before the retrieval team, may had some parts of the alleged UFO, also photographs and a diary. For all I know, most of these people are dead and the alleged evidence passed to others who apparently, plan to go public in two or three years. [Then we all may have a chance to properly review what they have, if anything.]. Anyone willing and in position to contribute can contact me. I repeat, this is not directed to the general membership of the list and is not a disclosure of anything nor an attempt in that direction. This is directed to those who may have participated or have confirmable knowledge about the alleged event.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 12 Happy Trentaversary From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:00:55 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:55:33 -0400 Subject: Happy Trentaversary (This should have been sent on May 11) On this eleventh of May, 1999 I wish everyone a happy 49th anniversary of the Trent photos. It is unfortunate that they have not lived to see this anniversary (Mrs. Trent died at age 71 in August of 1997 and Mr. Trent at age 80 in February, 1998). These were two of the "most famous" people on earth, certainly with regard to UFO history. Yet, their obituaries say nothing about what made them known around the world.. I was recently in Santiago, Chile, to attend a UFO conference. The poster which they printed to advertise this conference shows a computer enhanced version of Trent #2. They were poor farmers when they took their pictures. They were basically poor farmers when they died. They did not even attempt to capitalize on the success of their photos. In many conversations with me over 20 years ago Evelyn didn't refer to the object as a 'flying saucer'. She would only say she didn't know what it was. It is too bad that they have not lived to see the vindication of their sighting.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Tue, 11 May 99 10:54:32 PDT >>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion >Hi, Josh, >>After reading the posting from Jeff Rense on UpDates, I went to >>his site to see his topics. Aside from a lot of anti-NWO ranting >>I came across a notoriously ugly subject. I request that any UFO >>investigators who may be asked to appear on Jeff Rense's show >>think twice about my email below. I sent this to him today. I >>believe that his published views are a damage to any legitimacy >>of the field of UFO research. >You're absolutely right, factually and morally. Conspiracy-hate >literature, of which the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is among >the most notorious (and the most repeatedly exposed as false), >has no place in ufological discourse. For that matter, it has no >place in the discourse of civilized human beings. I hope Jeff >Rense will take your advice and withdraw this vile document >immediately. Unfortunately, some 'researchers' are intent on instant judgement and condemnation, and are unwilling to allow our particular *process* of research and debunking of the 'Protocols' occur. We've just begun this particular effort and have already received and posted several excellent pieces onsite exposing the book as a fraud. (The Protocols have never been posted on our site.) This is how we've exposed hoaxes for years...via interactive, two-way research projects with our worldwide internet site visitors...who enjoy and appreciate the chance to participate. This current effort began the moment the Rabbi sent the Protocols link to us. Contrary to what one person suggested: "and (the Protocol hoax) is so well known, that I'd think every educated person would know what it is." No, SORRY. 'Every educated person' does NOT know about it. And the UNeducated have a RIGHT to know. This is a dangerous, myopic elitist assumption and thoroughly misses the point of being ever-vigilant about frauds like the material in question. Considering the potential harm this docment can cause to people who are unaware of it's hoaxed nature, the value in exposing such material in the open cannot be overestimated. Fascists and book burners come in all colors and flavors. Fascists are fascists. Book burning is book burning. It doesn't work both ways. Obviously, the net permits the researcher/voyager total control of choice with a finger tip click of a mouse. Free will. Freedom of choice. We trust the ability of our site visitors to think and intelligently discern. We will not be unduly pressured by anyone...especially those who would seek to tell the masses how to think and dictate what is fit and appropriate for them to read and to consider. Fiction or non-fiction. As has always been our policy, our mission is to ferret out frauds and hoaxes just as we are doing with the Protocols. We shall continue.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Sighting: Cincinnati, Ohio -5-10-99 From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:34:01 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Sighting: Cincinnati, Ohio -5-10-99 [This information is courtesy of researcher Charles Stuart] UFO REPORT Cincinnati, Ohio [Hamilton County] May 10, 1999 - 2:30 p.m. On Monday, May 10, 1999, two residents of the northern Cincinnati community of Mt. Healthy were traveling east-bound on I-275 when they spotted an unusual aerial object traveling from south to north over an area between Forest Fair Mall and Tri-County Mall. Lisa H., who was driving at the time, saw it first and pointed it out to her mother, Patty H. (names on file). "It was very large and high up," Lisa stated, adding," it was long and white. Cigar shaped." "Then as we passed it, it seemed to change shape and become round," Patty said. When asked if it could have just turned and looked round from a different angle, she agreed that this was possible. When asked if they could have seen a plane reflecting sunlight or a blimp, they both emphatically said, "no." "It was too large for a plane and too pure of a white to be a blimp," Lisa insisted. " It was not the bright silver reflection you get from sunlight, but white, with no markings." The mother thought that the object may have had a "bump" in the middle but wasn't certain. They watched the object for a minute or two until they finally lost sight of it as they traveled east. Skies were clear and the time was between 2:00 and 3:00 P.M. Patty H. is 52 years of age and daughter Lisa, 27. Note: the area where this alleged sighting occurred has been a local ufo "hotspot" in recent years.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: Konformist: ET Play Ball From: Stephen MILES Lewis <elfis@io.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:50:36 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Konformist: ET Play Ball FYI EBK, Listers and All, smiles "have you seen the new ELFIS yet?" http://www.elfis.net ---------- From: Robalini@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Konformist: ET Play Ball Date: Wed, May 12, 1999, 5:56 PM Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/1999/etplayball.htm ET Play Ball Greg Bishop (exclmid@primenet.com) Psychologist Edward DeBono once proposed a novel method for producing new ideas and juxtapositions. List anything that interests you in two columns. Take something from each row and put them together with the neutral and meaningless word "po" in between. "Einstein po toast" for instance, might make you wonder about what the great scienist might have had for breakfast to get his brain going, or contemplate the ultimate outcome of the human race when faced with nuclear weapons aimed at every city. If the writers of last week's episode of "The X-Files" used this method, they may have come up with the unlikely phrase "Roswell po baseball." Some background may be in order before we go on. If Joe Bauman had been at bat on the night of July 2, 1947, he might have knocked something out of the sky that later crashed northwest of Roswell, New Mexico. Bauman was first baseman for the minor league C-class Roswell Rockets in 1954 when he set a home run record that would put Babe Ruth, Roger Maris, and Mark McGwire to shame. During that season, he smacked 72 homers over the right field fence, a feat that has yet to be equalled. The Rockets team logo could not have been more perfect if the X-Files art department had thought it up. Twinkling stars and baseballs float on a dark blue field and a flying saucer hovers in the backgound while a space alien winds up for a pitch. Their team name derived from the fact rocket pioneer Robert Goddard located his test base there in the 1930s, or perhaps that the White Sands missile test range was located not far away. It is nearly certain that some defense workers and soldiers who experienced the events of July, 1947 in Roswell also attended Rockets games. In a 1995 interview at the age of 73, Bauman held his big hands together around an imaginary cantaloupe and said that all the pitches that summer looked as big. "I was on fire" he said. In 1954 only about 800 fans saw each game, and the west Texas/ southern New Mexico Longhorn League was quite small, as minor league organizations went. Bauman is still proud of that season, and admits he never really cared to step up to the majors anyway. With every home run, fans would stick one- and five-dollar bills in the backstop fence to congratulate him. He averaged about $40.00 per grand slam. This sort of legendary hitting was also found in the Negro League baseball teams of the 1920s, '30s, and '40s. Josh Gibson was called "the black Babe Ruth" and although no one ever bothered to keep statistics for Negro League players, anecdotes of his hitting power survive in legend and lore. Gibson is said to have hit a line drive so powerful that it split the flesh between the thumb and forefinger of an unlucky third baseman, right through his fielder's glove. He is said to have beat Bauman's record with a comfortable margin, although this can never be proven of course. Gibson died at age 35 in January, 1947 without ever getting a chance in the major leagues. >From these stories and others like them, "The X-Files" (on Sunday, April 25, 1999) fashioned a whimsical tale of Roswell aliens and black baseball. Gibson had some of his best seasons playing for the Negro National League Homestead Grays team of Pennsylvania. The X-Files used this as a clever plot twist, naming the fictional Roswell team the "Greys" and their parent organization the "Cactus Negro League." The star player is an alien so fascinated with the game that he shape-shifts into human form just to play. He sets a season home-run record as well. One character, a local policeman, mentions that "all the great players were aliens" --but that they didn't want to reveal their identities. This could be a commentary on the plight of the negro players before 1946, who didn't have the luxury of shape-shifting to suit the times. One of the first black players to try and break the color barrier played for the Ohio Wesleyan University team under crusading manager Branch Rickey in 1903. Star first baseman Tommy Thomas often took to the field with the protests and taunts of the opposing team ringing in his ears. Many teams refused to play until Ohio got "that nigger off the field." Games went ahead as scheduled only after Rickey loudly protested "You play Thomas or you don't play OWU!" After a pitiful scene in a hotel that nearly refused entrance to his best player, Rickey vowed to do something to see that it wouldn't happen again. He kept this promise to himself at age 54 when he moved former negro leaguer Jackie Robinson up from Brooklyn's minor league Toronto Royals to play for the Dodgers in 1947. Wait a second, isn't 1947 the same year that something fell out of the sky near Roswell, New Mexico? 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:26:11 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":; >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:27:56 -0400 >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100 >>From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >Jenny Randles writes: >I take what Allison says very seriously. But please do not >equate support for the literal reality of greys as empathy and >doubts in this regard for lack of sympathy with witnesses. >I have met dozens of witnesses such as yourself, worked with >quite a few for months or years and have not one shred of doubt >that you are totally sincere and genuinely experiencing a real >phenomenon. Dear Ms. Randles, I would like to clarify a portion of my last post that seems to have been misunderstood. In the thread you shared with Mr. Clark, your intention was to expand on possibilities to explain why recent witness testimonies include ever growing numbers of accounts with gray aliens. Mr. Clark, however, interjected and added to that thread an apparent concern for the plight of abductees who speak of their experiences. Because there were two unique thoughts expressed, I elected to respond to each one individually. I addressed your issue by basically stating that your hypothesis, although interesting, is not all-inclusive. I then offered the experience of my son to substantiate my opinion. I later and separately addressed Mr. Clark's comments at the end of my post. Because I expressed my appreciation for his empathy toward abductees does not imply that I felt you, then, were NOT empathetic. I hope I have clarified this misinterpretation of my intentions. I apologize for the misunderstanding. >I have my reservations about actual aliens in spaceships because >the evidence is contradictory. There are excellent pieces of >data such as that provided by Allison. But you have to balance >against it the clear signs of cultural tracking and the role >played by consciousness. I dont have easy answers to this >confusion. But it is there nonetheless. any honest appraisal of >the sum of the data has to see the balance and the deep >questions posed by it. >I know this seems like I am denying your experience or not >empathising with your plight - and that I am sceptical of the >reality of what has happened to you. In fact I am none of these >things. I suspect that another intelligence is in contact with >us. I am really only challenging the commonly held view that >this is a straightforward greys from planet alpha flying here in >ships and physically kidnapping witnesses to perform dastardly >experiments. Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not >convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very >worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Let us hope I am >right and the truth will be more enlightening than frightening, >but I know I might not be. Again, I did not mean to imply that you are a skeptic or unsympathetic. On the contrary, actually. I see in your evaluation of the data an eagerness to make sense of that data. Because you are pondering various explanations to the increased number of "gray" reports illustrates to me that you are making an honest attempt to find an answer. I also believe that you are searching with an open mind, verses having already decided upon a conclusion and are now seeking evidence to support that theory. There is a big difference between the two. It is not uncommon, however, for others to throw all abduction accounts into one boiling pot and cry, "Inconsistent! Incredible! Incomprehensible! And therefore, Invalid!" It is difficult to draw accurate conclusions about a phenomenon of this magnitude by making vast generalizations of the whole. So much yet remains unknown and unclear. In an ideal world, our conclusions would most accurately be drawn by deciding the validity of each experience - one sighting - one abduction account - at a time. Truly yours, Allison
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:30:22 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:13:52 EDT >Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:45:06 -0400 >Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >Bruce, David and List: >What about the matter of the image of the overhead wire changing >its size in the same proportion and the image change for the UFO >model? It was suggested that this showed they were at the same >approximate distance from the camera in the two shots taken from >different places on the property? >Bob Young Hi Bob, I recently triangulated the location of the overhead wires directly above the UFO by remeasuring their horizontal parallax (the shift in direction between the two photos) and conclusively proved they are at a DIFFERENT DISTANCE than the APPARENT triangulated distance of the UFO. There is no possibility of significant error as I used transparencies of the two UFO photos and exactly matched the unique patterns of kinks in the wires that appear above the UFO. I had originally done this measurement and calculation for the Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) Mini-Symposium of Sept 3, 1982, but wanted to re-do it when I had better data, which I finally did in Feb 1999. The triangulation is made possible because Paul Trent stepped about 5 feet to his right when he took the second photo, thus creating a stereo pair out of now-famous two UFO photos. The wires are about 19 feet away but the UFO triangulation point is at about 17 feet and that is ONLY when assuming that the UFO is NOT MOVING, but is a stationary hoax model (I will comment on this in depth in my long-delayed Trent Case Update, many breakthrough developments are in the works). This comes from the approximately 15.8-degree shift of the wires versus the approximately 17.2-degree shift in position of the UFO -- a 1.4-degree difference in the parallax values. If the UFO is in fact moving horizontally as the Trents described, then the shift in position photos is NOT a parallax at all and cannot be used to triangulate a short 17-foot distance. However, in July 1982 I discovered a vertical parallax of the UFO between photos which completely refutes a close-in distance. Again, more on this in my upcoming Update. I plan to comment on Dave Rudiak's excellent posting soon -- I haven't forgotten you Dave! Regards, Brad Sparks
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: Mass Disappearances... From: Scott Caput <scaput@shadow.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:10:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Mass Disappearances... >From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Mass Disappearances... >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:52:52 -0700 >I wonder if some of you might be able to help me with a bit of >slightly off topic research? Does anyone know what the largest >mass disappearance and also the largest mass suicide in history >has been? And, if different, the largest in U.S. history? >As always, thanks so much for your time! >-Scott C. Carr >Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette >http://www.erols.com/sardonica >Producer, "UFO Desk" >99.5 FM WBAI, NY If memory serves, I think there was a colony on an island off the Virginia coast that mysteriously vanished. I think it was in colonial days. Roanoake sounds familiar... Scott R. Caput The brain is by far the most complexly organized piece of matter we know. It is enormously more complicated in structure than a star is, for instance, which is why astronomers know so much about stars, and psychologists know so little about brains. Isaac Asimov
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: New Face on Mars From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:00:45 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:54:54 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:07:07 -0500 >>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 >>From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Terry James wrote: >>I see many of you still do not believe your eyes... >To which I reply...I do believe me eyes, what I don't believe is >your ludicrous, downright laughable, conclusions based on a >cosmic roscharch test. Shall I start uploading my Virgin Mary >ruffles potato chips and yellow squash that looks like Bilbo >Baggins to better make my point? Dear John....(I bet you get a lot of those ;{ ) If you have the ability to stuff your squash & chips into the computer and get them posted on a website for us, I say go for it! I'd love to see it! But you'll have to have the "RIGHT STUFF" ! kksamurai (RAH) (50 and as insane as ever) -- Kind Regards, Terry aka...kksamurai *** The TRUTH shall survive all time and trial! *** http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html It's a NEW FACE on MARS! http://disc.server.com/Indices/46226.html Venus-Its mystery Unfolds! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36204.html Moon-lite talk! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36207.html Europa...It Lives! http://disc.server.com/Indices/8728.html The Red Planet Roundtable! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/mars.html Mars...A Serious Adventure! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/moon/index.html Moon...Serious Too!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 13 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:01:48 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100 >>From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT >>I am fairly new to this list and this is my first post. I have >>been lingering in the shadows of these many conversations, >>listening to researchers and skeptics alike opine about me and >>people like me - abductees. I have found this thread between >>the two of you to be very interesting. >>I cannot say that I am familiar with the experiences of many >>other abductees. I do not have a pool of testimonies from which >>to evaluate and form an opinion. I have only the experiences of >>myself and my family to draw upon. I have been investigating my >>involvement in this phenomenon for the past six years. I have >>undergone thirty-five hypnotic regressions, and countless days >>and nights of contemplation in an attempt to make some sense of >>what has been happening to me and my children. <snip - for brevity> >>Allison Reed ==================================================> Jenny responds: > I am really only challenging the commonly held view that >this is a straightforward greys from planet alpha flying here in >ships and physically kidnapping witnesses to perform dastardly >experiments. Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not >convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very >worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Let us hope I am >right and the truth will be more enlightening than frightening, >but I know I might not be. Jenny, so far, the cases you have cited and asked us to "consider" have mostly been cases that fall more into the realm of psychological phenomena. They would make interesting psychological studies but I fail to see how they should be classified or painted as acceptable examples of a UFO abduction. Cases where the "experiencer" is observed by others while the individual claims to have been "abducted" may be valuable as a study of human consciousness and psychology, but other than the imagery that is incorporated they have little to do with the fact that many people report close up encounters with unknown craft and subsequent interaction with it's occupants. (Or missing time in conjunction with the sighting.) It is the cases where an individual is fully conscious, has a UFO sighting, and then interaction with its occupants that beg explanation/investigation/debate. You cite for instance the case of the lady in Australia and her "experience" as if it somehow fit into the pattern I just described. Other than linking a psychological component/explanation to the many reports of UFO abduction, (which only serves to further muddy already murky waters,) I don't see the point in citing it at all. One has little to do with the other. There may well be -many people- that are experiencing what is a purely psychological/consciousness based phenomena, but at the end of the day the cases which incorporate an actual UFO sighting and 'abduction' by its occupants will be no closer to being explained or solved. The two things must be seperated, distictions need to be made, or you are left with an amalgm of reports which will never become untangled. Just a for instance: If the Betty and Barney Hill case was to be used as a criteria for defining what comprises a 'contact case' you would automatically eliminate about 95% (+ - a few %) of the cases of reported alien interaction. Throw out anything and everything that doesn't involve the person being 1. fully conscious at the time of the incident/sighting, 2. Where a UFO is involved, and 3. where some kind of interaction with the UFOs' occupants occurred. It's the old K.I.S.S. concept! :) Researchers need to focus and narrow the scope of the investigation as much as possible because of the mountain of reports and information that is flooding in. It's a confusing enough piece of business as it is without also including; psychological phenomena, peoples dreams, sleep paralysis, out of body experiences, channelling, etc, etc. Investigating a straight forward report is much easier and lends itself better to empirical analysis if you're dealing with; Joe Blow says that he was driving home and encountered a landed UFO off exit @#$ on Highway such and such. (Such as the police officer in the UK) The site can be visited, landing traces (if any) can be observed and sampled for testing. Joe Blow goes on to say that the occupants inserted something up his nose during the episode, or that they took skin samples, followed by a medical examination, x-rays/MRI, yadda, yadda, yadda, you get my drift I'm sure. It just makes more sense to limit the investigation -and the debate- to cases involving -credible witnesses- that claim to have have had -fully conscious- encounters with -UFOs- and/or their -occupants-. I think both skeptics and believers alike would grant that many folks are having psychological or otherwise explained experiences. That within that group an interesting and intriguing psychological phenomenon is manifest and worthy of study. (Probably in the same sense that "copycat" crimes are interesting psych studies) But, by lumping them in with -UFO related abduction reports- of the kind outlined above you only feed the formidable incredulity that already exists in the minds of the general public. There is, (whether it is acknowledged or not) an urgency to this issue which goes beyond anything that has preceeded it. You say so yourself, . . . >Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not >convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very >worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Nuff said? Regards, John Velez ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:14:28 -0600 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:24:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:15:00 -0400 >>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:12:47 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] <snipped> >Which reminds me -- how do we know that Tesla's papers really >were classified? And if they were, how do we know that the >classified papers said anything radical? The FBI has two PDF files on their site that are the FOIA documents which contain numerous correspondence over the years that the FBI has replied to such inquiries regarding Tesla. A standard response by the FBI to inquiries, noted in the documents follows - "Bufile 100-2237 reflects that Dr. Tesla was a world-famous electrical inventor, and at the time of his death, all of his personal papers and effects were believed dangerous to the country's security if they fell into un-authorized hands. The book, "Prodigal Genius," by John J. O'Neill alleges that the FBI took over a certain safe and opened it, appropriating his property. Bufiles clearly indicate that it was the Office of Alien Property of the Dept (Dept of Justice) which did so...." This was pretty much the standard response from Hoover up to the present FBI director. Looking through the documents, it is evident that many people have attempted to get Tesla's files, some ostensibly to carry forward further research (as noted in the documents). Some mentions of the ball lightning experiments, as conducted at Colo. Springs, and attempts to get papers to elucidate further research in that area. Some mentions of intelligence services going over Tesla's notes and diary, some comments about how difficult it was for said services to decipher the diary. Observations of Tesla's handwriting was that it was small and sometimes blurred. It would be interesting to know if FOIA's filed to the "Office of Alien Property" at the Justice Dept, have ever yielded any positive results. It was the judgment of the FBI that there was sufficient reason to state that Tesla's papers were a "security risk". Don -- "In a age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Date: Tue, 11 May 99 10:54:32 PDT >>>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion Jeff, >>You're absolutely right, factually and morally. Conspiracy-hate >>literature, of which the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is among >>the most notorious (and the most repeatedly exposed as false), >>has no place in ufological discourse. For that matter, it has no >>place in the discourse of civilized human beings. I hope Jeff >>Rense will take your advice and withdraw this vile document >>immediately. >Unfortunately, some 'researchers' are intent on instant >judgement and condemnation, and are unwilling to allow our >particular *process* of research and debunking of the >'Protocols' occur. We've just begun this particular effort and >have already received and posted several excellent pieces onsite >exposing the book as a fraud. (The Protocols have never been >posted on our site.) This is how we've exposed hoaxes for >years...via interactive, two-way research projects with our >worldwide internet site visitors...who enjoy and appreciate the >chance to participate. This current effort began the moment the >Rabbi sent the Protocols link to us. I'm glad to read that you are planning to expose the Protocols as the forgery it has long been known to be. Good for you. I am, however, disheartened to see how much your website caters to conspiracy theories no less bone-headed or, arguably, dangerous. My experience is that if you scratch a conspiracy theorist, a bigot bleeds. You have a unique opportunity to educate people, and I hope you use it wisely. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 From: Richard D. Nolane <raynaud@total.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:27:22 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:31:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 04:33:21 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 Dear List, >While most sightings were in France, activity then shifted into >Italy by late October. >This is the largest single UFO wave on record. The fall 1954 french UFO wave was researched again last years by ufologist Jean Sider who discovered in local newspapers a lot of "new" cases, some of them very interesting. Sider did a great research work and have shown that the fall 1954 wave was really a major event in UFO history. Unfortunately, all the new material found by Sider is in french. But if you can read french, you can find it in several issues of the best french UFO review, LUMIERES DANS LA NUIT, and in a two volumes book published in trade paperback format by Editions Ramuel, a small publisher : LE DOSSIER 54 ET L'IMPOSTURE RATIONALISTE. The first volume examines new cases and adds infos to old ones and the second volume, in a larger format, offers 120 pages of newspapers articles and others UFO related items of 1954 in fac-simil=E9. LUMIERES DANS LA NUIT's address is BP 1128, 86062 POITIERS CEDEX, FRANCE. Each issue cost 49FF (around US$8.00) but, Jo=EBl Mesnard, the editor/publisher can offer bargain prices for a multi-issues order. Contact him ! Editions RAMUEL's address is 225 rue des Princelles, 60640 VILLESELVE, FRANCE. The price of the two-volume set is 249F (around US$40). But you must contact them before to know the postage fee. Best wishes, RDN
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: New Face on Mars From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:29:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:32:19 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:07:07 -0500 >>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 >>From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >John W. Ratcliff >Still Sane 38 years and counting. Sorry to inform you. Sanity diminishes at 39th year.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:29:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:36:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:13:52 EDT >Subject: Re: Two Skeptical Papers On The Trent Photos >To: updates@globalserve.net >Bruce, David and List: >What about the matter of the image of the overhead wire changing >its size in the same proportion and the image change for the UFO >model? It was suggested that this showed they were at the same >approximate distance from the camera in the two shots taken from >different places on the property? The answer to your question is below...plus a lot of other related info... Densitometer scans done vertically through the images of the lower wire above the UFO in the two photos do show a change in width of the image. The width in photo 1 is greater than in photo 2, similar to the width of the UFO image in 1 is greater than in 2 (discussed below). The densitometer tracings of the wire images are "simple peaks" like sharply peaked mountains (hardly any, or no, flat tops) because the wires were not resolved by the camera/film. (below is a crude representation of what I am talking about... if it doesn't come out as a peak in your email display... don't worry about it!) * ----- maximum "darkness" of the wire image * * * * * *. ---- * *. ---- brightness halfwidth * * * * * * _______ sky brightness At some "altitude" between the baseline (sky brightness) and the peak there is a width that corresponds to the geometric image width of the wire (geometric image width = actual object width times focal length divided by actual distance) Unfortunately one does not know a priori which altitude (which width) to pick since VEILING GLARE (notorious for other reasons!) and other aberrations plus noise in densitometer traces at large magnification affects the width of the image (the widrh of the densitometer scan). (Note: the densitometer traces do not have straight upward/downward sloping sides as given in the illustration; photographic noise creates a jaggedness to the sides that adds to the noise in the measurement of image width.) In early work (over 20 years ago) I tried to reconstruct the Trent back yard from the photos themselves. I wanted to answer the following question, which, I'm sure, you also want answered: Does the sighting line crossover point (SLCP) lie beneath the (lower) wire? If the answer were yes this would be "highly coincidental," if a real UFO, but consistent with the "lowest order" assumption of the hoax hypothesis, namely, Paul hung a model under a point on the wire, caused it to tip and tilt a bit, and took two photos, from different locations to make it appear as if the UFO moved... (clever guy, this Trent fellow!). Too bad he allowed the overhead wire to appear in the photo (stupid guy, this Trent fellow!). Having created a "model" of the back yard based on the house and garage images in the photos I located the positions of the camera (camera 1, camera 2). I then attempted to calculated the distance of the lower wire from the camera by assuming that the width of a densitometer scan at half brightness (see sketch above) is the "geometric width" , fully realizing that this was really only a guess that could "get me in the ballpark.". However, this would provide at least a tentative answer to the question above, does the SLCP lie under the wires? The width at half-brightness level of the wire image for photo 1 is about 0.144 mm and the similar width on photo 2 is 0.128 mm. The ratio of 1 over 2 is 1.125. This is consistent with the camera being closer to the wire in photo 1 than in photo 2. By way of comparison, the ratio of image widths of the UFO is photo1 / photo 2 : 0.292 mm/0.255 mm =1.145. Clearly the ratios are close and probably within error bounds on these estimates. HOwever, one must keep in mind that the width of the image of the wire is greatly affected in an undeterminable way by the veiling glare (bright sky immediately adjacent to both sides of the dark wire) and by photographic noise at large magnification (scans done at with 10 micron aperture width perpendicular to the wire axis and 100 microns parallel to the wire), Hence one could pick another "altitude" on the "mountain" at which to measure the width and one would then get a different ratio.. (The width of the image of the UFO is also affected by the veiling glare and photographic noise, but it is so much wider than the wire that it is well resolved and the uncertainty in its width is much, much smaller, relatively speaking, than the uncertainty in the width of the wire image.) Note that the same data on the wire, 0.144 mm and 0.128 mm can be used to determine how far they were from the camera if the wire size (diameter) is assumed. Based on home wiring rules described in an electician's handbook of the late 30's, early 40's, I concluded that the wire would have been 1/8 or at most 3/16" in outer diameter. Such wire would be strong enough to retain slight "kinks" (bends) that might have been present when the wire was installed. Assume it was 3/16" diameter. For photo 1 the estimated distance (using 100 mm focal length) is (convert 3/16" to mm and get 4.76 mm): (4.76 mm/0.144 mm) x 100 mm = 3307 mm = 10.85 ft and for the second photo, (4.76 mm/0.128 mm) x 100 mm = 3719 mm = 12.2 ft. (The ratio is 12.2/10.85 = 1.124, as before) Although the distance ratio to the wire from the camera positions was found to be very close to the UFO image size ratio, this reconstruction of the scene also showed that the SLCP was 16 - 17 ft from the camera positions, whereas the wire was 11-12 ft away, so the SLCP was NOT under the wires according to this reconstruction More accurate determinations of the camera positions and wire location are based on reconstruction of the Trent back yard from aerial survey photos and testimony. The wires, of course, do not appear on the aerial survey photos. However, the locations of the two suspension points of the wires can be determined from the photos (suspended from insulators at the center of the house near the peak of the roof and from a post attached to the back, center, of the garage). >From this information we find that there are still some dimensions not perfectly known. such as length of garage. However using the values which are MOST FAVORABLE to the hoax hypothesis (post at the back of the garage being 24 ft south and 38 ft west of the wire attachment location at the back of the house, based on garage length 24 ft, width 18 ft, separation of house and garage 18 ft, width of house 22 ft, and north-south offset of front of garage relative to back of house is zero) I find the following dimensions which are horizontal measurements (vertical component of distance not included; it is small) distance from camera 1 to the wire is 13.9 ft distance from camera 2 to the wire is 14.2 ft wire distance ratio is 14.2/13.9 = 1.02 the distance from camera 1 to the SLCP is 16.8 ft the distance from camera 2 to SLCP is 17.2 ft the ratio is 1.02. THUS FROM THE BETTER RECONSTRUCTION WE FIND THE SLCP IS ABOUT 3 ft AWAY FROM BEING UNDER THE WIRE (reason #1 why it was not a simple model hanging under the wire) AND THE RATIO OF DISTANCES TO THE SLCP IS ONLY 1.02 WHEREAS THE RATIO OF UFO IMAGE SIZES IS 1.145 (reason #2 why it was not a simple model hanging under the wire). (Note: use of any alternate values for the length of the garage, say 26 ft, and the separation of the house and garage, say 17 ft, will INCREASE the distance between the wires and the SLCP.) In order to accept the hanging model hypothesis and still be compatible with the photographic data and the back yard reconstruction one can no longer accept the simple "hang a model and photograph it" hypothesis. Instead, one has to increase the complexity: a) Trent hung the model from the lower wire and caused it to swing toward and away from him (several foot suspension thread used but not seen in photo). As it swung back and forth the model wobbled at the end of the suspension (the plane of the bottom of the model did not remain perpendicular to the suspension) b) Trent waited until the model swung toward him about 1 foot (13 ft from the camera) and was tilted just right to present the bottom of the UFO model and then he took photo 1; (note the model was moving slowly or not at all when he took the photo) c) after photo 1 Trent slid the model suspension point about 13 inches to the right and started it swinging again. d) Trent moved to a second location abou 5 ft northeast of the first location e)Trent waited until the model swung away from him about 1 foot (15 ft away) and wobbled just right to give an edge-on view and took photo 2 f) Trent and wife constructed a sighting story compatible with their pictures AFTER the pictures were developed so they could be sure the pictures were good Very Clever, these Trents! Unfortunately Trent allowed the overhead wires to appear in the photo. Not So Clever, these Trents! ................................................... To get back to your original question: it is true that densitometer scan data indicate a change in the size (width) of the image of the lower wire and this change in size (actually the ratio), as reported in my early work, is comparable to the change in size (ratio) of the UFO image. However, this near equality of the ratios is apparently a spurious result of my choice of the "height", on the densitometer scans, where I measured the image widths. At other "heights" the widths would be different and hence the ratios would be different. As evidence of the fact that the choice I made was not correct consider the following: the analysis based on densitometer sacns underestimated the distance to the wire in photo 1 by 3 ft (10.85 ft vs 13.9 ft) and underestimated the distance for photo 2 by 2 ft (12.2 ft vs 14.2 ft). Hence the photographic data and analysis which led
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Tim D. Brigham <TBrigham@ksinc.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:48:20 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:56:02 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:31 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100 >>>From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>>>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT John, Jenny, all- Kudos to all for keeping the level of discussion high and rational. And because of that, and having a free moment (which is unusual as of late), I jump in.... >Jenny, so far, the cases you have cited and asked us to >"consider" have mostly been cases that fall more into the realm >of psychological phenomena. They would make interesting >psychological studies but I fail to see how they should be >classified or painted as acceptable examples of a UFO abduction. >Cases where the "experiencer" is observed by others while the >individual claims to have been "abducted" may be valuable as a >study of human consciousness and psychology, but other than the >imagery that is incorporated they have little to do with the >fact that many people report close up encounters with unknown >craft and subsequent interaction with it's occupants. (Or >missing time in conjunction with the sighting.) How do we know they have little or nothing to do with "genuine" encounters? If in fact, such cases exist where an experiencer undergoes an abduction event, but their physical presence is monitored, why assume automatically that these cases are unrelated to other cases? I think one of the reasons we are having this debate is because of the lack of _reliable_ cases in which a physical abduction was witnessed by others. So, we have cases where the event is witnessed, but nothing unusual is seen by witnesses other than the experiencer, and we have cases where no other witnesses are present. How do we know the same factors aren't at play in the cases which are not witnessed as are at play in the ones jenny mentions? Obviously if this were the case, we'd be dealing with more than a simple collection of 'hallucinations,' so I don't automatically equate "not physically abducted" with "just made up" or "purely hallucinated." >It is the cases where an individual is fully conscious, has a >UFO sighting, and then interaction with its occupants that beg >explanation/investigation/debate. You cite for instance the >case of the lady in Australia and her "experience" as if it >somehow fit into the pattern I just described. Other than >linking a psychological component/explanation to the many >reports of UFO abduction, (which only serves to further muddy >already murky waters,) I don't see the point in citing it at >all. One has little to do with the other. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall the details of the case Jenny brings up, though I am fairly sure I have heard more about it, or a case which is strikingly similar. If memory serves, which it may well not, the case I am thinking of DID involve the experiencer "consciously" seeing a UFO and interacting with its occupants (none of which the other witnesses saw. they did however, see what they felt to be a genuine emotional reaction from the person undergoing the encounter). <snips> >Researchers need to focus and narrow the scope of the >investigation as much as possible because of the mountain of >reports and information that is flooding in. It's a confusing >enough piece of business as it is without also including; >psychological phenomena, peoples dreams, sleep paralysis, out of >body experiences, channelling, etc, etc. I agree that we are dealing with very murky waters here, but what about abduction cases that involve OBEs, or what about OBE cases which, while apparently not directly related to UFOs, appear extraordinarily similar to some UFO experiences? Toss in the little people of days gone by, Aleister Crowley/'Lam' (see Greg Bishop's excellent zine 'The Excluded Middle' online at http://www.primenet.com/~exclmid/LAMstatement.html ), and various other things one can be blown away by by reading Robert Anton Wilson's _Cosmic Trigger_, and things get more and more complicated. Are all these phenomena seperate or possibly related? *Shrug* I have to say that I admire Jenny's approach very much. She eloquently expresses many ideas which I find very, very interesting. The line between what is "real" and "not real" may be a hell of a lot fuzzier than many people think (ie, if it was found that physical abductions do not actually occur in most cases, does that completely rule out the possibility of some sort of external intelligence still being at work? Not IMO). Then again, as she rightly admits, it may not be. She, I, John, and any one of us may well be wrong. Also, I think it's important to note that, from what I have seen, there is no one on this list who is NOT sympathetic to the plight of people who have to live with this phenomenon. Because we often go back and forth about the nature of what is going on- PSH, ET, 4D/Ultraterrestial, whatever- doesn't mean we don't think that _most_ of the people reporting these experiences feel that they genuinely occured. I don't think anyone actually posts to this list just to look up their noses and snort at others who they feel are simply "crazy" and nothing more. And anyone who does would probably have some sort of complex of their own- as he starts to mutter Brother Phil's name, but stops. While I'm going on about the subject, is anyone familiar with studies on the neurophysiology of 'experiencers' of unusual phenomena (other than Persinger's work)? Specifically, I am interested in electrophysiology/EEG. I'm currently just getting involved in a study on ADHD/Ritalin and EEGs (still just learning the basics, though), and because my University has some very state of the art equipment in this area and neuropsych/consciousness studies is my planned field of graduate study, not to mention the sensitivity to and effects on electrical devices that many abductees report, I am wondering what has been done as far as research of this type, and what could possibly be done in the future. Thanks for any leads. Best wishes, Tim Brigham )+( TBrigham@ksinc.net www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ufo.htm The Devil's Advocate www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ring.htm Operation MindPhuck "Better to go hungry than to feast on lies." )+(
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: New Face on Mars From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:57:03 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:02:41 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars Hello all, >From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:07:07 -0500 >>>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:46:45 -0400 >>From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Re: New Face on Mars Yes, I see a face, just as a kid, I used to see a feature called "Indian Rock" on a mountain where I grew up-still do- no sign that it is an atrifact. >Terry James wrote: >>I see many of you still do not believe your eyes... My point as John's yes I see it-but. >To which I reply...I do believe me eyes, what I don't believe is >your ludicrous, downright laughable, conclusions based on a >cosmic roscharch test. Shall I start uploading my Virgin Mary >ruffles potato chips and yellow squash that looks like Bilbo >Baggins to better make my point? However I'm going to throw somthing else into the debate: let's go there and remove all doubt. Humans on Mars. It's about time we become extra-martians! Answer the question... we maybe surprised. >John W. Ratcliff >Still Sane 38 years and counting. GT McCoy "Sometimes I think that the whole world is crazy except for me and thee, and sometimes I wonder about thee"- Old Quaker Saying.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Old Face On The Moon From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:51:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:04:21 -0400 Subject: Old Face On The Moon Hi everyone. At the next full moon (May 30), I wonder how many of you are able to see another very human looking face on the Moon. Unlike the very impressive but small New Face on Mars (about 6 miles across) which cannot be seen from Earth, even with a telescope, the Old Face on the Moon is over 1000 miles across (about 1/4 of the area of the Moon). It can be seen with the naked eye - or with glasses if you are nearsighted like me. This face is a profile of a woman with dark hair (the "Seas" of Serenity and Tranquillity). Her nose is located near the center of the lunar disk and her eye, lips and chin are clearly visible. She is wearing a bright pendant on a chain around her neck (the rayed crater Tycho). Could this be the same Artemis or Diana, the goddess of the Moon, that the ancients mentioned about? In the near future the New Face on Mars may also get a name and could possibly give birth to a new religion or belief just like Erich Von Daniken has created through his interpretion of ancient images and objects on Earth. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 BBC: China To Test Space Shuttle In Oct From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:41:16 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:07:43 -0400 Subject: BBC: China To Test Space Shuttle In Oct China to test 'space shuttle' in October Thursday, May 13, 1999; Published at 13:20 GMT 14:20 UK By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse The Chinese space programme will try to launch its first spacecraft designed to carry astronauts on 1 October. Officials quoted in the Yangcheng Evening News said preparations of a recoverable capsule were far ahead of schedule. If the date can be achieved the flight would coincide with the communist state's 50th anniversary celebrations. Although there had been rumours that China was planning a mission to test its new spacecraft design no specific timing has previously been given, other than "by the end of this century or the beginning of the next." The October flight would be unmanned and used to test the technology. But Li Jianzhong, director of the Chinese Academy of Launch-Vehicle Technology, said that a manned launch was "under preparation", and indicated it would follow not far behind the test flight. He said that their Long March 2E rocket already had a lift capacity of 10 tonnes and that China was about to complete research for a rocket capable of launching 20-tonne payloads. Astronauts have been trained and research into life support systems had made "great progress," he said. The helmets, pressure suits and feeding system were ready to go. In recent months, China has refurbished its fleet of satellite tracking ships. Experts say that if such an important mission does take place in October then these ships would be positioned in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans. Li Jianzhong has also said that China is developing a spacecraft similar to the US Space Shuttle. Western experts believe that this is a mis-translation. They expect the spacecraft to have more in common with the Russian Soyuz manned spacecraft than the US shuttle which it is believed is far beyond China's technical abilities. Hi everyone. At the next full moon (May 30), I wonder how many of you are able to see another very human looking face on the Moon. Unlike the very impressive but small New Face on Mars (about 6 miles across) which cannot be seen from Earth, even with a telescope, the Old Face on the Moon is over 1000 miles across (about 1/4 of the area of the Moon). It can be seen with the naked eye - or with glasses if you are nearsighted like me. This face is a profile of a woman with dark hair (the "Seas" of Serenity and Tranquillity). Her nose is located near the center of the lunar disk and her eye, lips and chin are clearly visible. She is wearing a bright pendant on a chain around her neck (the rayed crater Tycho). Could this be the same Artemis or Diana, the goddess of the Moon, that the ancients mentioned about? In the near future the New Face on Mars may also get a name and could possibly give birth to a new religion or belief just like Erich Von Daniken has created through his interpretion of ancient images and objects on Earth. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: New Face on Mars From: Allen Loper <cheepnis@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:09:01 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:17:02 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:05 EDT >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >To: updates@globalserve.net >Gentle list folk and *Dr. Ratsnip, >Sir, may I offer my most sincere congratulations on your being >the ONLY ONE on this list to recognize the achievements of Dr. >Alfred E. Roscharch. May I? Huh? >Roscharch, a man of great renoun... renown (sorry) has been the >"Forgotten Giant" of inkblot testing; having been overshadowed >by that other thief, Rorschock, Roarshock, whatever. Anyway, >the bastard took all the credit for inventing the psychedelic >tie dyed shirt along with the famous Rorschach Test. As a >matter of actual fact, it was Rorschach who invented the Phillip >Class Inkblot test which has been used by Class for years to >determine the authenticity of UFO percipients, abductees and >other maniacs... and NOT Roscharch! Hah, bet you didn't know >that, huh? <snip> Dear sirs- Thank you for clearing that up as i was beginning to think that my teachers had fed me the wrong info in my psych classes. k http:\\mindspring.com\~cheepnis "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome." --Isaac Asimov
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:08:01 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:28:00 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:31 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100 >> I am really only challenging the commonly held view that >>this is a straightforward greys from planet alpha flying here in >>ships and physically kidnapping witnesses to perform dastardly >>experiments. Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not >>convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very >>worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Let us hope I am >>right and the truth will be more enlightening than frightening, >>but I know I might not be. >Jenny, so far, the cases you have cited and asked us to >"consider" have mostly been cases that fall more into the realm >of psychological phenomena. They would make interesting >psychological studies but I fail to see how they should be >classified or painted as acceptable examples of a UFO abduction. >Cases where the "experiencer" is observed by others while the >individual claims to have been "abducted" may be valuable as a >study of human consciousness and psychology, but other than the >imagery that is incorporated they have little to do with the >fact that many people report close up encounters with unknown >craft and subsequent interaction with it's occupants. (Or >missing time in conjunction with the sighting.) >It is the cases where an individual is fully conscious, has a >UFO sighting, and then interaction with its occupants that beg >explanation/investigation/debate. You cite for instance the >case of the lady in Australia and her "experience" as if it >somehow fit into the pattern I just described. Other than >linking a psychological component/explanation to the many >reports of UFO abduction, (which only serves to further muddy >already murky waters,) I don't see the point in citing it at >all. One has little to do with the other. >There may well be -many people- that are experiencing what is >a purely psychological/consciousness based phenomena, but >at the end of the day the cases which incorporate an actual >UFO sighting and 'abduction' by its occupants will be no closer >to being explained or solved. The two things must be seperated, >distictions need to be made, or you are left with an amalgm of >reports which will never become untangled. >Just a for instance: >If the Betty and Barney Hill case was to be used as a criteria >for defining what comprises a 'contact case' you would >automatically eliminate about 95% (+ - a few %) of the cases of >reported alien interaction. Throw out anything and everything >that doesn't involve the person being 1. fully conscious at the >time of the incident/sighting, 2. Where a UFO is involved, and >3. where some kind of interaction with the UFOs' occupants >occurred. >It's the old K.I.S.S. concept! :) >Researchers need to focus and narrow the scope of the >investigation as much as possible because of the mountain of >reports and information that is flooding in. It's a confusing >enough piece of business as it is without also including; >psychological phenomena, peoples dreams, sleep paralysis, out of >body experiences, channelling, etc, etc. >Investigating a straight forward report is much easier and >lends itself better to empirical analysis if you're dealing with; >Joe Blow says that he was driving home and encountered a >landed UFO off exit @#$ on Highway such and such. (Such as >the police officer in the UK) The site can be visited, landing >traces (if any) can be observed and sampled for testing. Joe >Blow goes on to say that the occupants inserted something >up his nose during the episode, or that they took skin samples, >followed by a medical examination, x-rays/MRI, yadda, >yadda, yadda, you get my drift I'm sure. It just makes more >sense to limit the investigation -and the debate- to cases >involving -credible witnesses- that claim to have have had -fully >conscious- encounters with -UFOs- and/or their -occupants-. >I think both skeptics and believers alike would grant that many >folks are having psychological or otherwise explained >experiences. That within that group an interesting and >intriguing psychological phenomenon is manifest and worthy of >study. (Probably in the same sense that "copycat" crimes are >interesting psych studies) But, by lumping them in with -UFO >related abduction reports- of the kind outlined above you only >feed the formidable incredulity that already exists in the minds >of the general public. There is, (whether it is acknowledged or >not) an urgency to this issue which goes beyond anything that >has preceeded it. >You say so yourself, . . . >>Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not >>convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very >>worried indeed for the fate of the planet. >Nuff said? Hi, Yes, I see your argument. But in a sense it is prejudging what areas we should study and what areas we should not. All CE 4 cases (well - okay - 90% of those in my UK data base) start with the OZ Factor, elements of ASC and move from there into the classic abduction. I do not think it is wise to reject cases where the same starting process leads to a different conclusion or type of phenomenon because that conclusion is not a traditional CE 4. For instance, the Maureen Puddy case is not so different as you suppose. She had straightforward UFO encounters and an alien contact with the UFO, before her peculiar observed abduction. The other cases I cite are even closer to traditional abductions and some include UFOs that were actually seen by independent witnesses. Only the CE 4 part was a totally subjective one. With some CE 4s involving 'real UFOs' - not just 'psychological phenomena' - how sure can we be that the UFO is any more real than the aliens Maureen Puddy saw. We still lack the same sort of proof of objectivity that even UFOs offer - such as photos and video of aliens, shots inside the UFO, etc. We do have some good data of thar kind with UFOs and if abductions are equally 'real' then why not any of that type. Well, yes, there is the Ilkley CE 4 plus photo of the alien - a case I know well. The very reason I have spent so much time on it is that it challenges my argument here. And it does hold up - so I guess I shoot down my own argument. But if this has happened once, why not at other times? We do not just haved one good UFO photo. You might be right that I am discussing cases that are 'not the same' and therefore not directly relevent. But might not the same apply to you? Might not you be rejecting cases that are part of the same problem because their outcome is not in line with traditional views about the nature of abductions. I dont know which of these applies, but either might. I'd be happy for an unbiased judge to look at the observed abductions such as the Dandenongs and the ones I cite like Maureen Puddy and see if it is reasonable to study them as basically one phenomenon or two very different ones. I think I know which verdict would apply. But would be happy to be proven wrong. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT <snip> >I would hope that, at least at this early stage of our >inquiries, we'd all resist the temptation to grab some sweeping >single reductionist explanation for all anomalous experiences. >It is entirely possible that several different kinds of >phenomena are occurring simultaneously. Even within ufology, for >example, we long ago learned that the respective testimonies of >George Adamski and Lonnie Zamora are best placed in quite >different categories. In line with this, those interested might want to read an interesting article by researcher John C. Thompson of ISUR, who presents evidence that suggests at least some abductions are entirely unrelated to the UFO phenomenon. The article is at: http://www.isur.com/articles/john_int.html The article is also linked to the main ISUR page at http://www.isur.com/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:45:47 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:33:42 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:00:31 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Jenny, so far, the cases you have cited and asked us to >"consider" have mostly been cases that fall more into the realm >of psychological phenomena. They would make interesting >psychological studies but I fail to see how they should be >classified or painted as acceptable examples of a UFO abduction. So already John Velez has made up his mind that the UFO abduction phenomenon has got nothing to do with psychological phenomena. He knows what should and should not be classified as an abduction. Just because a person thinks they have been abducted - as in the cases Randles mentions - they are not "acceptable examples" unless they conform with the Velez version. >Cases where the "experiencer" is observed by others while the >individual claims to have been "abducted" may be valuable as a >study of human consciousness and psychology, but other than the >imagery that is incorporated they have little to do with the >fact that many people report close up encounters with unknown >craft and subsequent interaction with it's occupants. (Or >missing time in conjunction with the sighting.) But the experiencer _is_ convinced they have had a close up encounter with unknown craft and were abducted - just as convinced as, presumably, John Velez is. But never mind, these are simply examples "human consciousness and psychology", so throw them out. >It is the cases where an individual is fully conscious, has a >UFO sighting, and then interaction with its occupants that beg >explanation/investigation/debate. You cite for instance the >case of the lady in Australia and her "experience" as if it >somehow fit into the pattern I just described. Yes, the pattern described by John Velez and the one and only authentic pattern for abduction experiences - one size fits all! > Other than >linking a psychological component/explanation to the many >reports of UFO abduction, (which only serves to further muddy >already murky waters,) I don't see the point in citing it at >all. One has little to do with the other. In the Australian case we actually *know* what happened when the lady underwent her abduction experience - there were other witnesses. Do we have cases where independent witnesses actually saw the abductee being carted away into a nuts and bolts spacecraft by alien beings? (And please, please, please don't give me Napolitano, for the simple reason that there were NO witnesses to that alleged event) >There may well be -many people- that are experiencing what is >a purely psychological/consciousness based phenomena, but >at the end of the day the cases which incorporate an actual >UFO sighting and 'abduction' by its occupants will be no closer >to being explained or solved. That's all very airy and armwaving. All we have to do is find the cases "which incorporate an actual UFO sighting and abduction by its occupants". No problem! It seems that Velez already knows which are the 'real' abductions, so we don't have to bother with messy things like human psychology and psychopathology. Any abduction case which is turning out to be embarrassing to the ETH abductionologists can just be ignored. As Velez says: >The two things must be seperated, >distictions need to be made, or you are left with an amalgm of >reports which will never become untangled. That's because they can't be untangled. The abduction phenomenon is complex, messy and, yes, very tangled. >Just a for instance: >If the Betty and Barney Hill case was to be used as a criteria >for defining what comprises a 'contact case' you would >automatically eliminate about 95% (+ - a few %) of the cases of >reported alien interaction. Throw out anything and everything >that doesn't involve the person being 1. fully conscious at the >time of the incident/sighting, 2. Where a UFO is involved, and >3. where some kind of interaction with the UFOs' occupants >occurred. But isn't this exactly what Velez is doing? >It's the old K.I.S.S. concept! :) Sorry, you've got me there. I thought K.I.S.S. were the baddies in "The Man From Uncle". >Researchers need to focus and narrow the scope of the >investigation as much as possible because of the mountain of >reports and information that is flooding in. It's a confusing >enough piece of business as it is without also including; >psychological phenomena, peoples dreams, sleep paralysis, out of >body experiences, channelling, etc, etc. So useful to have an ex-cathedra statement about what *doesn't* constitute an abduction experience. A smidgeon of evidence as to exactly why these - to my mind extremely relevant - phenomena are not part of the abduction experience would be helpful. >Investigating a straight forward report is much easier and >lends itself better to empirical analysis if you're dealing with; The trouble with straightforward reports is that they get less straightforward the more you investigate them. >Joe Blow says that he was driving home and encountered a >landed UFO off exit @#$ on Highway such and such. (Such as >the police officer in the UK) The site can be visited, landing >traces (if any) can be observed and sampled for testing. Joe >Blow goes on to say that the occupants inserted something >up his nose during the episode, or that they took skin samples, >followed by a medical examination, x-rays/MRI, yadda, >yadda, yadda, you get my drift I'm sure. It just makes more >sense to limit the investigation -and the debate- to cases >involving -credible witnesses- that claim to have have had -fully >conscious- encounters with -UFOs- and/or their -occupants-. And John Velez gets to decide who a credible witness is, does he? Do we really still think that policemen, airline pilots, lawyers and members of the local Rotary Club are all automatically more credible than Australian housewives, North Wales teenagers or East End builders? Just one point as an example: Velez lays great store on the witness being "fully conscious". Well, yes it would be nice if we could be sure of that, but back to the Australian lady. Without the dissenting evidence of the two investigators in her car she would have confirmed that she had been fully conscious during her abduction episode. One of the major problems with the abduction phenomenon is that we know that people can believe they were fully conscious and were seeing and experiencing events in 'real time', when in fact they were in some other mental state (I hesitate to say 'altered state of consciousness' as that it a controversial topic in itself, and not an explanation). These sorts of ultra-real 'virtual experiences' occur also in a range of very mundane and undramatic situations. I am starting to record some of these in the 'Virtual Banality' correspondence in Magonia. (See for example the Magonia archives www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/90) >I think both skeptics and believers alike would grant that many >folks are having psychological or otherwise explained >experiences. That within that group an interesting and >intriguing psychological phenomenon is manifest and worthy of >study. (Probably in the same sense that "copycat" crimes are >interesting psych studies) But, by lumping them in with -UFO >related abduction reports- of the kind outlined above you only >feed the formidable incredulity that already exists in the minds >of the general public. There you go again. John Velez, it seems has the magic touch which can distinguish a real "UFO related abduction report" from those boring old psychological phenomena which are no use to man nor beast. Share the secret with us, and save us having to all the complicated investigation stuff, which all too often leads to us having to conclude that there was no objective UFO phenomenon behind it at all. No-one can accuse Jenny Randles of being an armchair investigator or of having a closed mind. I've had strong differences with her in the past, but she has done more direct, in-depth investigations of abduction reports than I've had hot dinners. Her doubts about the objective physical reality of UFO abductions is based on talking to "real" abductees of all kinds, and not making arbitrary divisions between "UFO- related" abductions and psychological phenomena. -- John Rimmer www.magonia.demon.co.uk Abandon hope all ye who press Enter here
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Planetary Mysteries Update 5/12/99 From: Planetary Mysteries <planmyst@dnai.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:40:32 -0400 Subject: Planetary Mysteries Update 5/12/99 Greetings from Planetary Mysteries www.planetarymysteries.com You are receiving this update because either you requested it or you are on Kynthia's email list. We value your imput and suggestions. If you wish to be removed from our list please contact: Christie Minami <trekker@wam.umd.edu> and put REMOVE in the Subject line. If you are receiving this update more than once, we aplogize. Please contact: Christie Minami <trekker@wam.umd.edu> and put DUPLICATE in the Subject line. ___ Topics covered in this update: 1- The status of Planetary Mysteries web overhaul 2- New Faces on Mars Controversy 3- Earth Life from Mars 4- Americans for Open Planetary Research Update 5- The CAUS UFO Lawsuit 6- New Cold Fusion Video now out 7- Credit Cards now accepted Thank you for your interest and continued support. Kynthia _____ 1- THE STATUS OF THE PLANETARY MYSTERIES OVERHAUL: Planetary Mysteries is not financed by any large company or researcher. It is basically a labor of love, my way of sharing valuable information that otherwise would be hard to find. Recently I found it hard to keep up with the rigorous demands of my art, family and maintain the web site. I was grateful when Christie Minami, graciously volunteered to become the webmaster for Planetary Mysteries. She is a pleasure to work with and has been devoting considerable amount of time without pay and a "thank you" as her only compensation. Our first task was to get PM functioning more smoothly, towards this end Christie put up a search engine. Next, she helped me organize my email list from the past 3 years. PM also now has a Guestbook. Please feel free to sign it! In the works now is the updating of links (a massive list). PS: One new link message received in the last 3 days was lost in a computer crash...please resubmit if you think it was yours. There is a lot of wonderful material we will be posting soon. First on our list is to get caught up with Egyptnews postings and then other articles that have been accumulating, including a great one on crop circles. _______ 2 - NEW FACES ON MARS CONTROVERSY: "Happy Face" Crater Greets MGS at the Start of the Mapping Mission http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/3_11_99_happy/index.html Is this part of a deliberate disinformation campaign by NASA to discredit the original Face? The association of this kind of fantasy image (or Sagan's "Christ in the tortilla" image) with the word "FACE" has done a lot to hurt any serious investigation by using ridicule to ward off competent researchers and public interest from Cydonia. SECOND FACE ON MARS? Mr. Terry James has been researching NASA Mars photos for the past five years. He believes he discovered the second face anomaly on April 7th 1999. The Second Face On Mars: <http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html>http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/ newface.html While I admire Terry's enthusiasm (I posted some of his material), I have examined several images including: "cover-ups" on the Yogi rock and large crafts on the moon, none which could be verified by analysis and some that seemed blatantly like a hoax (not saying that Terry originated those...but believed them). In previous postings there appears to be a genuine anger toward NASA that clouds his judgment. If he could keep a more objective attitude, his investigative energies and talents could prove very fruitful. We have had some dialogue and in one of my previous messages to Terry regarding the twin peaks, I stated: "though your composite is interesting and EVEN ARTISTIC, you have cropped so much that you have distorted the actual features, what is insubstantial on paper has an awesome scale in real life, it's like redesigning someone's skull under their skin. This weakens our position. This data is so obviously manipulated that it can't be believed. The tragedy is that this biased work discredits the careful work of years research by the very people you applaud,...." Terry's second face on mars: While I see the appearance of a face, I am not convinced. I have spent that last 15 years looking at Cydonia and studying it. That it resembles a face is not enough, other elements are required to substantiate the new face claim. As an artist, I know the creative eye can create convincing images in the mind from looking at random patterns anywhere...I myself have drawn many of these figures that I see on stucco patterns on walls, clouds and the wings of moths. I have seen entire panoramas peopled with highly detailed figures. To substantiate the new face claim, one must consider the context of the data: 1- the consistency in style as well as geometry. 2- the scale 3- surrounding structures 4- the bias of the researcher This new image is very different than the original face, as far apart as Egyptian art from the renaissance. Certainly there is room to imagine the evolution of art on Mars, could it however, be from the same era or expressed on the same physical scale? What set the original face apart is the geometry of the face itself and its surrounding structures. There is within the original face enough geometry to make a case that it is artificial even if it is not a face. In this "new face", the style is like a fluid dance, rather than the stoic gaze of the original face, and very difficult to determine any geometry. Perhaps surrounding structures will be found to support its claim to fame. THE VALIDITY OF THE NEW MGS IMAGE: When the new MGS image came out, looking at that first TV news clip, no one could have been more devastated than I. I had spent 14 years sculpting what appeared to be a "catbox". Here at Planetary Mysteries, I receive a lot of email suggesting that maybe NASA blew the face up. To protect my 14 years of work, it would be easier to agree them. However, only the truth will have an impact on our collective future. So I set about evaluating the new MGS data to determine if in fact it could be the same original structure photographed by the Viking. After a year of sculpting I have actually incorporated the new MGS data into my mars face sculpture (which I will soon be posting images of). While I abhor the lack of professional regimen of NASA's part to distribute to the media and post a manipulated gray-scale of the MGS, I can demonstrate that NASA did indeed photograph the Face and that the MGS is the same structure as the early Viking images No one will know the mystery of the faces till we go there; and even then, the debate could continue for years as it has with the Earth Mounds or Bimini. _____ 3 - EARTH LIFE FROM MARS: Fox News reported on a breaking story from Stanford, California. Sunday night, May 9th, the 10:30 PM (the bay area, CA.), John Fowler, on the Fox news, did a segment on "Life from Mars". PRO: Richard Zare a chemist at Standford, has released new data concerning the asteroids. Seth Shostak from SETI said the Universe is ripe with life and that probably earth life originated from Mars. Although, it is suggested that life came to Earth from Mars in microbes, the basic conclusion agrees with Hoagland, that life on earth may have originated on Mars. Seb Gillette said that within a decade NASA would be sending root missions to Mars. NASA's data indicates that there was water about 300 billion years ago on Mars to support life. CON: UCLA Paleontologist William Schoof, totally against the idea. _____ 4 - AOPR UPDATE: The AOPR (Americans for Open Planetary Research) will be attending JPL's Open House June 5-6 in Pasadena, California. Unlike last year in protest, but this time to meet with a small group of flight engineers (we met during our rally) who volunteered many extra hours to help get last years images of Cydonia. We recognize that these individuals acted in good faith and are not responsible for policies set by NASA headquarters. We will be presenting to them honorary plaques bearing a miniature Mars Face medallion on them. Our secondary objective is to share with them many of the unusual features found in that last set of images. If you would be interested in joining us please contact: David Laverty at: faceonmars@earthlink.net _____ 5- THE CAUS UFO LAWSUIT: Message from the CAUS Director, attorney Peter A. Gersten, regarding UFO Lawsuit: CAUS is now also interested in obtaining affidavits from persons who have experienced what is referred to as an 'alien abduction.' The affidavit form and instructions are on the CAUS web site. http://caus.org CAUS can also mail an affidavit to anyone who does not have access to the affidavit on the CAUS web site. If you have been abducted or have seen the triangular shaped UFO or something similar (or if in Arizona or Montana any experience or sighting) please send CAUS your affidavit. If you have any questions, you can call me at 520-284-5248. CAUS in COURT 1) CAUS v. Department of Army (documents based upon statements by Col. [DEC] Philip Corso about seeing alien bodies and alien autopsy reports). On April 26th, Justice Roslyn O. Silver granted the government's Motion for Summary Judgment and dismissed the CAUS lawsuit, without opinion, against the Department of Army. The dismissal was expected in light of last week's decision by the Judge to deny CAUS the opportunity to orally argue its opposition to the motion for dismissal. CAUS will not be appealing the dismissal. 2) CAUS v. Department of Defense (information about the triangular shaped UFOs) A preliminary pretrial conference has been scheduled for June 14th. CAUS will, prior to that date, attempt to subpoena the heads of the Joint Staff and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for deposition purposes. The US Attorney representing the DOD has informed CAUS that it will oppose such an attempt. 3) CAUS v. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress From: Sue Kovios <bradford@globalserve.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:20:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:43:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) >From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org> >Subject: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >C/O: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> >From: Benford4PR@aol.com >Via: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: photo needed for a book in progress >One such chapter will deal with the alleged German UFOs and Foo >Fighters. Perhaps they will be two different chapters, I'm not >certain yet. >To get to the point: earlier this year on the Sightings TV show, >I saw a story that showed what appeared to be architectural blue >prints or drawings of a full disc-shaped saucer. Whether this >thing actually existed or not can be properly treated in my >written copy. Frankly I believe we have been visited, I'm just >not certain if all the German UFO copy that's around is genuine. >However, I have been unable to find or locate anyone who has a >copy of this or other such drawings of German UFOs. The one I >saw on TV looked rather good and professionally done. I would >very interested in including such a photo in the chapter. >Naturally, I will give proper photo credit to the source who >supplies the photo, mention them in the acknowledgments, and >send along a copy or two of the finished book. Can you help me >find the photo or direct me to someone who >has one? >Regards, >Tim Benford >Benford4PR@aol.com There are two books I have access to. One is called 'UFOs... Nazi Secret Weapon' by Mattern-Friedrich, published 1972 by Samisdat Publishers Ltd. (E. Zundel) (who claimed he only had a photocopy himself), the phone # was still active a couple of years ago. The other is 'Man-Made UFOs.. 1944-1994..50 Years of Suppression' by Renato Vesco & David Hatcher Childress, AUP Publishers Network ISBN 0-932813-23-2. Sept./94. There are pictures and sketches. Hope this helps. Sue Kovios
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress From: Sue Kovios <bradford@globalserve.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:18:25 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:44:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) >From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org> >Subject: Photo Needed For A Book In Progress >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >C/O: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> >From: Benford4PR@aol.com >Via: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM >Subject: photo needed for a book in progress >One such chapter will deal with the alleged German UFOs and Foo >Fighters. Perhaps they will be two different chapters, I'm not >certain yet. I have found a website you can check out. This may have what you are looking for too. http://www3.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/flying-saucers/ Sue Kovios
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: New Face on Mars From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:27:13 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:46:25 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >From: From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:05 EDT >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >To: updates@globalserve.net Dr. Jsmortell was able to assimilate my previous message and regurgitate the following fine commentary, replete with clever wordplay making dyslexic use of my common gutter slur of a given surname: >Gentle list folk and *Dr. Ratsnip, >Sir, may I offer my most sincere congratulations on your being >the ONLY ONE on this list to recognize the achievements of Dr. >Alfred E. Roscharch. May I? Huh? To which I feel compelled to reply with the following humble affirmation: Not only am I too lazy to use a spellchecker, I can't pronounce half of the large words I misspell either. AnatomicallyCorrectly Yours, John W. Ratcliff
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Getting A Book Published...? From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:37:41 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:57:15 -0400 Subject: Getting A Book Published...? Dear Errol and list members, I received an e-mail (below) asking for advice as to how to get a book published. As there are several authors on the list I wondered if they might be able to give 'Mark' some friendly advice? ========== From: Mark Jones <msjonesuk@hotmail.com> To: webmaster@ufoinfo.com Subject: ET DEBATE Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 03:13:11 PDT Dear Sir, I have recently finished a masters degree upon the ET debate and am trying to get it published. Due to the nature of the book it does not fit into academic titles or the more way out UFO stuff. I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to who might be interested to help. Thanks, Mark Jones ========== Thanks, John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 C-E: Sites Closed From: Jerry Washington <skyking1@BELLSOUTH.NET> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:36:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:00:55 -0400 Subject: C-E: Sites Closed Fran Ridge has asked me to announce (regretfully) that the Lunascan and NICAP sites have been closed due to lack of payment. Fran hopes to reopen the sites soon and donations are welcome to aid in that endeavor. Since he's cyber-challenged at the moment, you can reach him via my e-mail address or by phone at 812/838-3120.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 14 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:47:02 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:10:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:14:28 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds <snip> >Looking through the documents, it is evident that many people >have attempted to get Tesla's files, some ostensibly to carry >forward further research (as noted in the documents). <snip> According to those FBI files, one such individual was Bloyce Fitzgearald, a former student of Tesla's. He was seeking some of the information you mentioned for his research at Wright Air Field in Dayton, Ohio! One would think that, if the government had taken files with weaponry potential, such a researcher would certainly have access to them. Mr. Fitzgearald received Hoover's standard response. Terry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:20:16 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >>From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>Date: Tue, 11 May 99 10:54:32 PDT >>>>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >>>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>>Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion <snipped reasonable sounding rationalization for book burning> >I'm glad to read that you are planning to expose the Protocols >as the forgery it has long been known to be. Good for you. I >am, however, disheartened to see how much your website caters to >conspiracy theories no less bone-headed or, arguably, dangerous. >My experience is that if you scratch a conspiracy theorist, a >bigot bleeds. Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ conspiracy. I happen to think that there is abundant evidence for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. I resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run through the history of western civilization points up abundant conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've become? >You have a unique opportunity to educate people, >and I hope you use it wisely. I submit you read his post again, sir. I was one of those people unaware of the document and appreciate, very much, the opportunity to become educated on it. You don't discourage bad ideas by keeping them out of the light, you only make them more attractive. Anything *hidden* has an attractiveness that the *exposed* can never have. A burned book is a more "interesting" book, or "banned in Boston" had no sale value at all. I would have an opportunity to make up my _own_ mind, if that makes me a bigot -- so be it. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: New Face on Mars From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:09:29 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:28:33 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >From: John W. Ratcliff <terryratcliff@worldnet.att.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:27:13 -0500 >>From: From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:05 EDT >>Subject: Re: New Face on Mars >>To: updates@globalserve.net >Dr. Jsmortell was able to assimilate my previous message and >regurgitate the following fine commentary, replete with clever >wordplay making dyslexic use of my common gutter slur of a given >surname: >>Gentle list folk and *Dr. Ratsnip, >>Sir, may I offer my most sincere congratulations on your being >>the ONLY ONE on this list to recognize the achievements of Dr. >>Alfred E. Roscharch. May I? Huh? >To which I feel compelled to reply with the following humble >affirmation: >Not only am I too lazy to use a spellchecker, I can't pronounce >half of the large words I misspell either. >AnatomicallyCorrectly Yours, >John W. Ratcliff >Xenophobic Warrior Princess Now here are some very confusing factoids which Dr. Ratsinheimer presents us with.... uh, with which Dr. Rathskeler presents us ... soory. We have determined, by his own admission, that he does _not_ use a speelchicker. OK, we gots no problems with that as Gesundt himself often becomes so excited over the discovery of a new face on Mars and other body parts thereon, that he too, just presses "Send" without the shspeelchickie. But now, we are presented with the "possobility" that Dr. Rutabega might be anatomically correct. We say "might" because obviously we at the Gripple Works have not seen a copy of his body. And, we are always looking for bodies to replace Julio or Pia.... well, not Pia, she'll always remain in our parts ... hearts ... as _THE_ body of choice. However we've had requests by some of our other friends for a new guy ... most of these have come from other guys. Presumably Julio is not as popular with the guys as we imagined. So we will grant Dr. John Rumplestilskin a _permanent_ Ph.D. if his body is accepted by our anatomically correct staph ... staff. John, send us your body in a plain brown wrapper, or a facsimili thereof on an 8X10 color glossy, showing all four sides, top and bottom, and if it is accepted, you will get that degree and a free telescope with which to see feces the way they should be scene, with Grippls Dripple dripping thru your arm and Red Gripple up your nose.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Filer's Files #19 From: Majorstar@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:23:15 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:28:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Filer's Files #19 Filer's Files #19 --1999, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director, May 14, 1999, Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020 NUMEROUS REPORTS OF HIGH FLYING UFOs. VERMONT Thomas McFarland, Vermont State Director reports, "There has been a dramatic increase in the number of military craft flying over. There have been some spectacular views of night time refueling operations that I filmed showing the entire lead jet lit up, it really is very stunning. On April 26, 1999, 10:40 PM, three witnesses noticed three, bright star-like objects hovering in the sky. They stated, "We noticed how they were perfectly spaced out from each other in a straight line. They appeared to be stars at the first. We grabbed some binoculars to get a closer look and discovered that there was a small dimmer star above the first bright star, and a small, dimmer star beneath it as well, perfectly spaced from each other. This formed what we took to be an arrow, pointing slightly northwest. We were fascinated that these unique stars could form such a thing naturally. We measured the distance between the star-like objects with our thumbs. After a while, we measured again, and we noticed the spaces were growing larger and the star-like objects seemed to be coming toward us. We looked through the binoculars at the shiny objects and noticed that they appeared to be made of more than one part. There was a base with two parts on top creating a round appearance. We also noticed two fast moving oval-shaped objects crossing the night sky. The second one caught our eye the most because, even though it was going extremely fast for something so large in the sky, it stopped, zigged back quickly, and proceeded forward at top speed. There is no way that an airplane would've stopped dead in the air, moved backwards and proceed forward within five seconds. We asked my father to come out of the house, but now the arrow had formed a triangle. The flying objects were nowhere in sight." Thanks to John Schuessler, and Tom McFarland nightowl@together.net FLORIDA Lsound from Winter Haven, reports he is taking videos of UFOs in his general area. His mother started seeing craft in the 50's, and they might go back earlier than that. He started seeing them in the 70's and now his children see them in the 90's. He has taken both photographs and videos of the craft. He sent me an interesting photo over the Internet of a star like object. When I increased the size of the image, it seems to be a structured craft. He has agreed to forward portions of the video tape that give an even clearer view of the object. In the video the star like object changes shape and appears as a disc. He claims a figure can be seen near a port hole. Having an old computer system I can't upload the video. INDIANA Fergus Moffat writes that: "I live by Lake Michigan in Northwest Indiana. I have had two real sightings of what I believe to be alien craft or phenomenon. Here are my experiences. 1.) At the park in my small town, while playing on the gymnasium I saw a black triangular shaped aircraft with other friends. I pointed it out to my friends who were unable to see it, however my brother standing next to me was able to observe it. I think that this had something to do with the angle of the sighting. It flew at a very slow speed. It was flying very low at only 800 to 2000 feet when it disappeared behind some trees. Suddenly, the sky opened up and it began to pour rain. So we just went home. This was in July of 1996. 2.) Currently two odd shaped stars appear in the sky nightly. They do not move but flash red, blue and white at timed intervals. Two weeks ago an odd shaped white ball flew in and seemingly through them. Thanks to: fergusmoffat@hotmail.com (Fergus Moffat) OHIO CINCINNATI -- Charles Stuart reports that on May 10, 1999, two residents of Mt. Healthy were traveling eastbound on I-275 when they spotted an unusual aerial object traveling north at 2:30 PM. Lisa H., who was driving at the time, saw it first and pointed it out to her mother, Patty H. (names on file). "It was very large and high up," Lisa stated, adding," it was long and white and cigar shaped." "Then as we passed it, it seemed to change shape and become round," Patty said. When asked if it could have just turned and looked round from a different angle, she agreed that this was possible. When asked if they could have seen a plane reflecting sunlight or a blimp, they both emphatically said, "No." "It was too large for a plane and too pure white to be a blimp," Lisa insisted. " It was not the bright silver reflection you get from sunlight, but pure white, with no markings." The mother thought that the object may have had a "bump" in the middle but wasn't certain. They watched the object for a minute or two until they finally lost sight of it as they traveled east. Note: the area where this alleged sighting occurred has been a local UFO "hotspot" in recent years. Thanks to Ken Young and Charles Stuart -- UFO Research http://home.fuse.net/ufo/ SPACE CREATURES BATTLING FOR PUERTO RICO WEST SUSSEX, England (Wireless Flash) -- There may be an answer to recent reports of "flying saucers" engaging in aerial dogfights over Puerto Rico. A British UFO researcher claims the sightings are actually two rival alien factions waging war to see who will get control of the island. Raymond Robinson says the war involves the so-called "gray" aliens and a humanoid race called "the Nordics." According to Robinson, the war broke out because the United States government secretly traded Puerto Rico to the gray aliens more than 40 years ago in exchange for ET technology. What the government didn't know back then was that the gray aliens are planning to colonize Earth with alien hybrids. Robinson claims the US has enlisted the help of the Nordic aliens to squash the gray aliens, but so far there's no clear winner in the battle. A spokesman for the Puerto Rican Tourism Bureau says he's unaware of any extraterrestrial wars being waged on the island -- but he promises to look into it. Copyright =A9 1998 Wireless Flash News Service. All rights reserved. Thanks to Ufo Contact. Editor's Note: There have been numerous reports of UFOs engaged in what appears to be aerial dog fights. I have no information that would substantiate the rest of the report. SCOTLAND FIFE -- A Scottish driving instructor claims that on January 27, 1999, during a driving lesson with a 17 year old pupil, we saw a black diamond shaped UFO flying through the sky at 6:20 PM. It had no flashing lights that you would see on any normal aircraft. The driving lesson continued when 20 to 25 minutes later we stopped to do a 'Reverse Exercise' at a local park known as Fairmuir Park. I looked up in the sky to see if I could still see the UFO. It was hovering high in the sky glowing like a star. I recognized it as the UFO I had seen earlier because of the shape. I got out of my car to look at it and after about a minute it rotated anti-clockwise. Directly underneath there was an orange colored beam that came down from the UFO and went back up again. At this point I shouted to my pupil to come out of the car. I could not see any lights nor could I here any sound. We were both standing in the park trying to figure out what we were looking at. We had never seen anything like it. Several minutes later it started moving away. We jumped into the car and followed its movement for ten minutes. It was glowing a brilliant white/very light yellowish color. It was almost circular but a little oval in the center now. We could not believe what we were looking at, it was definitely not from this world it was extraterrestrial. We watched until it disappeared over the River Tay and into the hills of Fife. The time was now 7:00 PM. Later I learned, that the following morning at 8:40 AM a relative of mine with her two daughters also saw an object over the River Tay. It was hovering over the water with two yellow beams coming from underneath. It rose vertically into the sky but they lost sight of it when a building obstructed their view. They described it as shining like a star, very bright white/yellowish color. We believe all five of us saw the same UFO. Two girls 9 and 13 years, and their mother saw it. My pupil and I saw it the night before." Thanks to UFO Scotland dledger@cableinet.co.uk NETHERLANDS Frits Westra of the UFO-Workgroup Netherlands says the following message was on the Amsat bulletin board, a mailing list for radio amateurs experimenting with communication satellites. "Christopher Maness" wrote about a Strange Object? I was in Joshua Tree National Park on May 5, 1999, working on an Astrophysics experiment for my senior lab. I took three friends with me on this trip. I told them to keep an eye out for satellites. My friend Timica, spotted an orange colored "satellite" that was moving very slowly in the sky. Eventually, all four of us were able to see it. At closer inspection it appeared to move with retrograde motion. Later, we even saw it make small circles in the sky about 1 degree of arc. Then I decided to turn the telescope on it for a closer look. I saw it pass through the field of view; it definitely took on a very orange color though it did not appear to be luminous itself. My friend Misty actually saw it make the circles in the telescope. I ruled out the possibility that it could be a satellite because a satellite cannot stop in the middle of the sky and turn back (it is traveling ~ 20,000 mph). Thanks to Christopher Maness" kq6up@hotmail.com and Frits Westra at fwestra@hetnet.nl (Frits Westra) UFO Netherlands. CROATIA, YUGOSLAVIA UFO TRACE ISLAND PAG -- The Croatian Television Program, National TV Journal with Radomir Papo aired on May 9, 1999, at 7:55 PM. The program carried a story about a UFO landing trace on the Island of Pag located in the Adriatic Sea in off Croatia. This is a transcript from television program: "The trace in the shape of the triangle is located on a 190 meter high hill "Komarovac" in a very remote area, several kilometers away from the town. The stone mass inside triangular trace is stamped down for 25 cm (10 inches) while the surrounding area is untouched. The length of each side of the triangle is 37 meters*49 centimeters (123 feet). This discovery was found by Zdenko Grbavac the surveyor measure man. TV Interview: Radomir Papo asks: 'And you are 30 years in this business?' Zdenko Grbavac:'Yes.' Radomir Papo asks: 'And you have never found anything like this?' Zdenko Grbavac: "I haven't found anything similar in my surveyor practice, although I have seen allot at those trigonometry points that are all connected with my job. I have seen this trace for the first time." "During my tour of the area surrounding the trace, I found grass, snails, and spiders. I noticed that inside the triangle shaped trace you can not find grass, snails nor spiders." The stones inside the triangle are not crushed as would be the effect from a roller during the construction of the roads. The stones are only stamped down like something has floated above ground with z great strange force that effected the ground. The structure and composition of the stones are not changed, which means there were not high temperatures. The stones at the edges have also been effected by the force. Holes in the stones were found at the edges of the triangle. What kind of formation and with what strength and technology that has occurred is still a question for many scientists and Ufologists. Zdenko Grbavac and his son Kruno gave an explanation. Kruno said, "It looks like a space ship!" Note: During both 1967 and 1997, there were sightings on Pag Island that were monitored by local police and investigated by the Polaris national UFO group. Thanks to Ageti Master at 9a4ag@clarc.org -POLARIS RHODE ISLAND TRIANGLE INSIGNIA I have received numerous comments about the Bossack's sighting of a triangle UFO with an insignia in last week's Files. Dennis saw a triangle insignia, an omega symbol at the top with the Earth centered in the triangle. The Earth appeared as it looks from space with both North and South America, the Atlantic Ocean and parts of Africa and Europe visible. Two lightning bolts were striking Earth. This sighting has caused a great deal of comment, controversy and warnings. One writer claimed it must be a military aircraft because the insignia used by the Space Warfare Center has two lightning bolts emanating from Earth with an arrow head above it that is similar. See http://www.spacecom.af.mil/hqafspc/units/swc.htm A symbol's expert claims the Omega symbol is a very old ideogram for a cave, farm, village or fortress. It appears, for instance, in the mysterious mound of Kivik. It is sometimes found on modern maps to signify caves. As the letter omega in the Greek alphabet, it can mean an end, the end (by being the last of the letters of the Greek alphabet) and it has been used as a staff of a God. See http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/06/0622.html Byron K. Guernsey writes, "It occurs to me that its most likely an experimental military craft, perhaps based on reversed engineered technology. The lighting bolts could indicate that it is a kind of EM field craft working in part with the Earth's natural EM field. Possibly it is fueled by beams of energy from satellites. The technology of beaming energy using microwaves and other EM frequencies is known to exist. I doubt an Alien intelligence would use the Omega symbol, so it's very likely that this sighting is of a military nature. Interesting report nonetheless though! Thanks to: Byron Guernsey byron@iglou.com Chris Lightner writes, "The UFO with the triangle/lightning bolt insignia immediately brought to mind the famous case of Ohio Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur from the report in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, October 9, 1966." Spaur and Neff were checking on a car parked alongside US 224 between Randolph and Atwater. The car was filled with radio equipment and had a strange emblem painted on its side, a triangle with a bolt of lightning inside it. Above the emblem was written, "Seven Steps to Hell." Behind them they heard a strange humming noise. Turning they saw a huge saucer shaped craft rise out of a woods and hover above. It bathed them in a warm white light. I have always thought this case was one of the keys to UFOs. See the entire article at http://bedlam.rutgers.edu/ufo/cleveland.1966. Thanks to Christopher Lightner at lightner@dmv.com Robert Omega writes in part: "Omega is not here to lead or to harm Earth. Omega has offered its knowledge to Earth so that Earth may grow to be a great planet within the Universal Governments. The sightings of dull black triangular craft that have been seen throughout the years belong to Omega. Located on the bottom and each side of the nose of the craft is an emblem. This is the emblem of Omega here on Earth. There are, however, millions of other craft from all over the Universe of a triangular shape. The triangular design has been found to be the most aerodynamic shape for travel, much as the United States=92 Stealth fighter. Omega=92s craft have the capability of traveling at speeds from two miles per hour to as fast as three times the speed of light. Interstellar craft are powered by pure nonpolluting energy. The main craft is seven hundred feet in length and seven hundred feet in width at the rear of the craft, it is fifty feet in height. This particular ship houses the fifteen smaller craft and indicates the fifteen representatives of Omega here on Earth. Within the triangle and above the Earth is the Greek symbol for Omega, this states that the craft does, in fact, belong to an Omegan representative." Robert Omega: omega_agency@yahoo.com. Editor's Note: I have learned not to believe everything that I receive on the Internet. Several e-mails claimed Omega is all lies. Has anyone else seen this same insignia on a craft? Is this some kind of deception or a game? See Filer's Files #18 at http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ JOHN THOMPSON'S ARTICLE ON ABDUCTION RESEARCH Several letters from abductees were upset last week's John Thompson's article about evil Haints or inner-terrestrials (INTS) causing abductions. However, most letters were favorable. Evil according to Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary is: 1. Having bad moral qualities; sinful, bad; corrupt; wicked; perverse; as evil thoughts and deeds. 2. Causing pain or trouble, harmful, injurious. 3. Threatening or bringing misfortune; unlucky; disastrous; unfortunate; as an evil hour. 4. Caused by or considered as being caused by immorality; as and evil name; evil name, evil fame, the evil eye; a supposed power superstitiously ascribed in former times to certain persons, by means of which they could injure whomever they looked at. The Evil one, the Devil. Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Page 634. The majority of abductees describe being kidnapped against their will, forced to have intercourse against their will, having tremendous pain and torture. The abduction causes great mental anguish and allegedly implants are placed in their bodies. Further they are essentially under alien control. Most of these activities have been discovered under hypnosis, but some abductees have clear memories. The intruders attempt every means possible to keep their activities secret to accomplish their purposes. They tell the abductees they were given permission in a previous life. Frequently the abductee is a child. Can we realistically accept the concept that a child should be forced to participate in sexual abuse? Essentially the opposite of evil is good and to love. This is not love, commitment, or respecting a person. If the testimonies are true it is simply wrong by human standards. Conversely, contactees have generally reported that they are invited aboard and go willingly with the UFO occupants. Contactees are treated as guests and well treated. This infers there are at least two groups involved in the abductions or our data is corrupted. Either they possess advanced technology or they come from a different dimension. I'm also aware that some abductees believe the aliens have healed them from sickness. It is not unusual for ranchers to heal their cattle prior to slaughter. Healing can be conducted for many reasons. We also receive conflicting reports that the aliens are friendly and do not intend harm. I have concern and care about the plight of the abducttees. They claim they are being violated against their will. If a burglar entered my home, took my most precious possessions, poisoned my children's minds, raped and caused great pain and torture, I'm under obligation to report the crime to the police. If the police choose to ignore the report the burden shifts to them. They are under obligation to investigate and to catch the perpetrator. The police may not believe in abductions, but evidence would be collected that may show the reality of the phenomenon. The cleverest of burglars leave very little evidence for the police. They use gloves, tight fitting materials, gain entry by surreptitious means, etc. I have watched the police look for fingerprints and other evidence when our home was robbed. Aliens apparently leave behind even less evidence, but abductees have noticed strange tiny particles of a glass, burns and other strange evidence. Regarding John Thompson's views. Marc writes, "I read your ideas regarding the tie in to alien abduction activity and high school violence, such as the Littleton incident. On Tuesday, April 20th, which I believe was the night after the Littleton incident, I watched the CBS report, with Dan Rather. They began talking to a student whom they described as a friend of the two gunmen. The familiar face of a Gray stared at us from the student's T-shirt. My immediate feeling was that somehow they had something to do with the situation." Sincerely, Marc. I would like to get in touch with John Thompson. "I have observed the conditioning of abductees and young children in what he describes above and so has Barbara Bartholic with many, many cases." Sincerely, Eve Lorgen Unfortunately John Thompson ignores the implants being extracted and the scar's. He is using a very limited database to reach his conclusions. He may have piece of the puzzle, but it's not the entire solution. The school shooting's hypothesis is silly. Littleton, CO has not been a rural area for several generations, so I do not know what that has to do with anything. We clearly have evil at work here. NEW ASTEROID NAMED AFTER PHIL KLASS Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine notes Asteroid Klass has been named after Phil Klass. Astronomer James McGaha says, "Asteroid Klass will represent a man who has been a shining light of scientific skepticism." Editor's Note: Congratulations to the loyal opposition! UFO CONFERENCES: June 5 & 6, The 9th UFO/ET Congress at the Days Inn, Rt. 206 Bordentown, NJ. For more information call Pat Marcattilio at (609) 631-8955 or Tom Benson (609) 883-6921. Derrel Sims, Chief of Investigations, Saber Enterprises is just one of the scheduled speakers. July 2-4 30th Annual MUFON 1999 International UFO Symposium at Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington Virginia. E-mail mufonhq@aol.com TAPE OF EDWARD'S AIR FORCE BASE UFO ENCOUNTER Sam Sherman's audio documentary tape called THE EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE ENCOUNTER on the night of October 7, 1965, uses the actual voice recordings provided by the Air Force. During this event 12 high tech luminous UFOs invade secure air space and came down low over the runways at Edwards AFB, where tower operator Chuck Sorrels spotted them and notified the Air Defense Command. I have met and spoken to Sorrels who is heard on the original tapes and in a new segment in which he verifies the event as it is heard on the archival recordings. The UFOs are described and a decision is made to launch F-106 interceptors. You are there in an important part of UFO history. Hear it for yourself, its probably the best tape ever made and its record of a real event. The cost of the tape is $14.95 each plus $2.00 for shipping -- total $16.95 -- the buyer can send either a personal check or money order to: INDEPENDENT INTERNATIONAL, Box 565, Dept. GF, Old Bridge, New Jersey 08857. This a great tape to listen to with your friends. Even most military men enjoy the tape and feel it is authentic. MUFON JOURNAL For more detailed investigative reports subscribe by writing to 103 Oldtowne Road, Sequin, TX 78155-4099 or E-mail Mufon@aol.com. Filer's Files Copyright 1999 by George A. Filer, all rights reserved. Readers may post items from the Files on their Websites provided that they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue that the item appeared. Send your letters to me at Majorstar@aol.com. If you wish to keep your name confidential please so state.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Wanted - Videos Of Night Time Refueling-Operations From: Werner Walter <113236.1604@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:04:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:30:56 -0400 Subject: Wanted - Videos Of Night Time Refueling-Operations Hi List-Members, shure many of you knwon that few cases of UFO-sightings going back to nighttime refueling-operations mid in the sky. Now I want to get videorecordings of such manoevers. Has we here anyone aviation-buff which has such operations filmed and can send me a tape of such a spectacular view??? Greetings
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:34:07 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:45:47 +0100 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? John expresses difficulties with John Velez' desire to restrict focus to abductions where the witness reports full consciousness during all portions of the abduction event. He rightly raises the Puddy event as problematic for many abduction cases, but I believe is unfair to John Velez, who is simply trying to reduce the potential for noise level in the study of abductions as real events. There are a number of ways to explain the Puddy case, and to the best of my knowledge none of them have been explored (in the experimental, scientific sense). One is to explain it as a physical / mental disorder such as temporal lobe epilepsy - which would lead to a negative conclusion in regard to her entire set of reported experiences. There are some obvious relationships between medical symptoms which seem common between abductees / high strangeness witnesses and epilepsy patients (or, one should say, persons with traumatic brain injury). An excellent survey of these symptoms can be found at http://www.ellenwhite.org/headinjury.htm They include: "the following complaints: headaches, vertigo and dizziness, nervousness, irritability, impaired memory, inability to concentrate, excessive fatigue, difficulty with sleep... Other attributes include a sense of ill health and a reduction in the capacity to earn a livelihood." These symptoms, which are present in various high-strangeness witnesses (usually after the event), can still be suggestive in two ways - 1) They are the cause of the report. 2) They are the result of the events described (i.e. "paralysis" by ray, etc. causes temporary or permanent brain malfunction or damage) With regard to (1), we read: "In 1888 Hughlings Jackson reported fifty cases of epilepsy that manifested an aura or dreamy state, including some rather extreme examples of automatism. These happened to a physician who was a patient of Jackson's. in one of his experiences he was traveling on a commuter train and was to get off at the fourth station. He remembered passing the second station, but the next thing he knew he was standing on the door steps of his house, fumbling for his door key. he had left the train at the correct station, turned in his ticket at the gate, walked half a mile, and crossed streets to his house - none of which he recalled. It had been an automatic behavior for which he was amnesic. (64) Interestingly, another of Jackson's patients referred to his seizure experiences as "visions." Sleepwalkers may open doors and climb stairs safely but not remember their actions; it is an automatism." This, of course, might be the classic "missing time" experience. It can also explain the absence of the abductee in some missing time events, since automatism would allow them to leave and return. One might suggest that it would be interesting to hypnotize persons known to have TLE who have had some exposure to abduction information, to see, as in a previous but flawed experiment, the degree to which abduction accounts are produced and the similarity of those to the patterns described by Bullard and alluded to by Jacobs. Catelepsy and automatism is also interesting in regard to (2), since one of the persistent mysteries of CE-III reports have been the reports where the witness is paralysed by a ray and yet does not fall. The suggestion is that this ray causes an interference with brain function that is in some way similar to epilepsy. The reason this is attractive is that we would prefer (for reasons of simplicity) not to have to attribute to the occupants any special knowledge of human brain structure. It is much more likely that a variety of creatures in different evolutions will use electrically mediated nervous systems than that such creatures will have similar brain structures, so a weapon which would cause the effect described without such knowledge is inherently more plausible than that which does require it (i.e. for non-humans to have a weapon which paralyses because of the nature of the human brain as an electrical system rather than one which must operate on a specific brain center by design, seems more probable, since the second would require a complex of experiments by the non-humans on human brains prior to the development of such a weapon - nevertheless, of course, we cannot a priori rule out that such experiments have occurred.) On the pro-abduction-reality side of a relationship between TLE and abductions is: "In 1933 Penfield discovered that when he electrically stimulated certain groups of nerve cells in the temporal lobe, the patient would "relive" - as in a moving picture or a "flashback" - what had been experienced in one way or another earlier in life. In other words, the temporal lobe system records all the experiences that a particular person has had; and even if it is beyond the direct recall of the individual (forgotten), it is still recorded and can be brought back to consciousness by artificial electrical stimulation or by an electrical discharge in the brain during an epileptic seizure." In other words, if a witness had a TLE effect as a result of an event in a real abduction experience, or exposure to some weapon used by the occupants, it is possible for a later seizure to "replay" the actual events at a later date. Again, something similar to this has been reported occasionally in the UFO literature. Another pattern of interest which should be looked for in the abduction data is: "Lennox has pointed out that seizures lasting several hours might occur once or twice a year; and that the more frequent the seizures are, the more likely that they will be of short duration. (79) Partial complex seizures usually last from only a few seconds to several minutes, but may also last hours and, rarely, days." In other words, if abductions are related to TLE, then those reporting most frequent abductions will show the shortest amount of missing time for each (on average). Again, this is a study which has not been done. Interestingly, "There are numerous causes for epilepsy, including hereditary predisposition, birth injury, postnatal head injury, meningitis and other infections, tumor, metabolic abnormality, vascular disease, and intoxication. The most common type of epilepsy is temporal lobe epilepsy, and the most common cause for this is head injury." Certainly, studies of Puddy and other abductees for such factors could be rewarding in either implicating or discounting TLE, but to the best of my knowledge such studies have not been done. Finally, the cautions about TLE interpretations of abductions as raised by Robert J. Durrant http://www.ipacific.net.au/~pavig/temporallobeepilepsy_456.shtml must be kept in mind: "Several other optional interpretations are possible, and I will summarize them here with the understanding that in future articles they will be expanded. First, that most if not all persons who have close encounters with UFO's suffer, among a variety of other physiological effects, disruption of the electrical functions of the brain, including the temporal lobe area. because of the peculiarities of the temporal lobe, "flashbacks" can occur throughout life after the initial triggering event. It is unlikely that monitoring of the electrical pulses of the brain would reveal the irregularities associated with clinical diagnosis of temporal lobe epilepsy. Second, it may be that external means of controlling or communicating with the temporal lobe regions is the means by which the aliens deal with abductees. In addition to the positive communications or signals, the process may well include generation of "noise" both during the communication and, per the remarks above, long after the communications." It should also be noted: http://www.mhsource.com/edu/psytimes/p950927.html "Altogether Penfield (Mullan and Penfield 1959) divided the illusions of interpretation into four groups: 1) Auditory illusions accompanied by the perception that sounds were louder or clearer, fainter or more distinct, nearer or farther away; 2) Visual illusions where things seemed clearer or blurred, nearer or farther away, larger or smaller; fatter or thinner; 3) Illusions of recognition where present experience seemed familiar, strange, altered or unreal; and 4) Illusions of emotion consisting of feelings of fear, loneliness, sorrow or disgust. None of these groups of symptoms are unique to epilepsy. Migraine sufferers regularly experience illusions of sound, sight, taste and smell." And none of them bear much resemblance to UFO or abduction phenomena, either. --- Another possible cause for the Puddy event is PTSD, which, in studies among veterans, has been shown to cause the reliving of real events at other times, with complete realism, stiumulated by some perception similar to that from the event. PTSD has not been very much studied among high strangeness witnesses, yet it is reasonable to expect that it would be present if these were real events. --- There is no question in my mind that there are several fairly distinct categories of "contact" related cases, as already expressed in my classification system of "contact" reports. There is also a fairly smooth continuum between those categories. The major discontinuity arises in the consistency of the entities reported under hypnosis, and the near absence of such entities in the much more varigated CE-III reports, and in the apparent avoidance of entry to the witness homes in CE-IIIs and the entry of such entities into homes in abductions, espcially those I class as "burglar" cases. There are, of course, multiple witness abductions, though as with conventional UFO cases, the viewpoint of the additional witnesses varies. If one is interested in cases which might have become abductions as well as those which are claimed to be abductions, then we definitely have cases where occupants are seen to at least attempt to carry off a human being. Of course, we have the Walton case and the Andreasson case to name two very famous cases. In the Walton case, the witnesses did not in any way participate in the abduction and thus the case may be considered multiple independent witness. The Allagash abduction is a multiple abduction, and, of course, so is the Hill case. What is almost more interesting is an event like the Copley Woods case, where there were external witnesses to unusual circumstances (sound, EM effects, and light displays) at the time of the event, a physical trace which persisted for years was found after the event, and medical effects on eyes and skin - all demonstrating a consistency with "conventional" UFO phenomena. Now, John asks whether we have cases where external witnesses saw someone being carried off into a "nuts and bolts" object by beings. I would answer - yes, though in those cases, to the best of my knowledge, the abduction was typically not successful. In this connection, of course, one immediately thinks of the Paz case from Venezuela, though this abduction attempt was foiled. A "nuts and bolts" taking is the da Silva case, where the father disappeared during a confrontation with two objects and this was witnessed by his son. Another interesting case in this regard is the 1969 Brown case from Awanui, New Zealand, where a witness observed two unusual men with an unconscious woman, and physical traces were found the next day. --- Ultimately, it is not surprising that John Velez is convinced of the reality of what he has perceived and that he is concerned by the dismissal which seems to exist whenever these events are considered. As I believe I have shown above, even medical explanations can be viewed in two ways, and the studies which would determine if they are causal or caused in regard to the events reported have not been done. Thus we would do well to tread carefully and work with the strongest abduction data to determine if those cases can be explained as _caused_ by non-objective factors. If so, then the more obviously non-physical cases are even more likely to be so explained. --- I hope that none of this will be taken as disrespect to those who have had or reported these experiences. Determining the nature of the abduction experience is important, if for no other reason than to end or alleviate the suffering of those with these experiences. Sadly, as careful as many of the researchers in this field have tried to be, however, there is a tremendous amount of contamination and there are many problematic accounts. We must be very very careful to avoid attributing specific objective reality to some of these events, and we must be especially wary of doing damage to concepts of objective physical reality in attempting to bring these events within the sphere of understanding. If, indeed, these events present new insights into the nature of reality, those insights will have to wait until the serious, objective, and fact-based research required has been undertaken. ------ Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and more -
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 SETI at Home From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:56:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:35:46 -0400 Subject: SETI at Home SETI@home software is now available. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ It sure beats the Flying Toasters!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Lake Discovered on Mars From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:42:27 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:37:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:59:57 EDT >Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars... maybe Lake Steadman >To: updates@globalserve.net >Hi List... I am no geologist or Mars expert. I _AM_ a Gripple >Expert however. I am not a physicist either, although I must >occasionally unclog the old pipes with the detritous of ill- >conceived Gripple sediment from the end of the old alimentary >canal, which is now known as the "Banal Canal." Meaning altho >not a physicist, I occasionally take them. Along with an >occasional anemic.... ametic... emetic... barf juice! Hi All, I wish to offend no one (all right, so there I some whom I don't care if I offend), however, I grow tired at these attempts at satire. They are taking up more and more bandwidth and since the headers never tell us if it is another satire, I wish we could do away with them.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:40:44 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:40:41 -0400 Subject: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET Friday May 14 10:14 AM ET Real Alien Life Forms Unlikely To Resemble E.T. By Patricia Reaney LONDON (Reuters) - They may not look like E.T. but the possibility that life forms exist beyond our planet is very real, scientists said Friday. Although he was just a loveable creature in a 1982 Hollywood blockbuster, E.T. the extraterrestrial gave a less threatening face to creatures from outer space. Nearly 20 years after he hit the big screen, scientists have still not found any real-life equivalent but they believe conditions exist on other planets to support life. ``There are good reasons to think, as biologists, that there are organisms that exist elsewhere,'' Dr Don Cowan, of University College London, told The Royal Astronomical Society. But life on other planets is more likely to be a single organism capable of living under extreme conditions than the three-eyed creatures depicted in many science fiction films. ``Life will be evolutionarily primitive,'' he added. Even the simplest creatures, Cowan said, need liquid water, the right temperatures, a nutrient supply and other essential conditions to survive. He described the biological ``envelope,'' or boundaries of life, at upper and lower temperature levels and the places where such primitive forms of life could thrive. Hydrothermal pools, steam vents, boiling mud pools and underwater hydrothermal vents, where life on Earth is thought to have begun, are the ideal environments for simple life forms on other planets. ``In that environment you would have all the requirements for microbial life,'' he added. Dr Monica Grady, of the Natural History Museum in London, supported his arguments and went a step further, suggesting planets such as Mars and the moons of Jupiter have areas on or just below the surface where life could be sustained. ``There is the potential for life to have existed in many inhospitable niches in the solar system,'' she told the meeting. Mars and Europa, one of four moons closest to Jupiter, are the most likely candidates because of the amount of water, a basic precondition for life, they both have. The surface of Europa is covered with an icy crust and scientists know that the poles on Mars contain water and there could also be possible water under the surface. Grady expressed the hope that one day scientists would locate extraterrestrial life on another planet. ``Hopefully it will look like this,'' she said, pointing to a drawing of a green alien. ``But it will probably resemble that,'' she added as she turned
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:47:58 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:58:59 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >While I'm going on about the subject, is anyone familiar with >studies on the neurophysiology of 'experiencers' of unusual >phenomena (other than Persinger's work)? Specifically, I am >interested in electrophysiology/EEG. I'm currently just getting >involved in a study on ADHD/Ritalin and EEGs (still just >learning the basics, though), and because my University has some >very state of the art equipment in this area and >neuropsych/consciousness studies is my planned field of graduate >study, not to mention the sensitivity to and effects on >electrical devices that many abductees report, I am wondering >what has been done as far as research of this type, and what >could possibly be done in the future. Thanks for any leads. Tim, As far as I know, this is a wide open area, and I'm thrilled that you'll look into it. Off the top of my head, I think physical studies are needed of abductees. Do abductees, taken as a group, show physical differences from the population at large? Any study along those lines would be welcome, just for a start.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:08:17 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:02:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 >From: Richard D. Nolane <raynaud@total.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:27:22 -0500 >>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 04:33:21 -0700 >>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Europe: Sept-Nov 1954 >Dear List, >>While most sightings were in France, activity then shifted into >>Italy by late October. >>This is the largest single UFO wave on record. >The fall 1954 french UFO wave was researched again last years by >ufologist Jean Sider who discovered in local newspapers a lot of >"new" cases, some of them very interesting. Sider did a great >research work and have shown that the fall 1954 wave was really >a major event in UFO history. >Unfortunately, all the new material found by Sider is in french. >But if you can read french, you can find it in several issues of >the best french UFO review, LUMIERES DANS LA NUIT, and in a two >volumes book published in trade paperback format by Editions >Ramuel, a small publisher : LE DOSSIER 54 ET L'IMPOSTURE >RATIONALISTE. The first volume examines new cases and adds infos >to old ones and the second volume, in a larger format, offers >120 pages of newspapers articles and others UFO related items of >1954 in fac-simil=E9. >LUMIERES DANS LA NUIT's address is BP 1128, 86062 POITIERS >CEDEX, FRANCE. Each issue cost 49FF (around US$8.00) but, >Jo=EBl Mesnard, the editor/publisher can offer bargain prices for >a multi-issues order. Contact him ! >Editions RAMUEL's address is 225 rue des Princelles, 60640 >VILLESELVE, FRANCE. The price of the two-volume set is 249F >(around US$40). But you must contact them before to know >the postage fee. Dear Richard: A very dear friend has sent me copies of the entire run of LDLNs from issue # 92 through #216, plus a pile of more recent issues. LDLN is the single richest source of detailed UFO accounts in my entire database, some 1817 cases (10.43%) of the entire compliment of 17,428 listings. I literally learned to read French because of LDLN! I still cannot speak it, sadly.. As I read your message above, I looked over my desk. Not 3 feet away, is the two volume set of Jean Sider's Le Dossier 1954 et L'Imposture Rationaliste ! Some coincidence eh? I am still digging thru these two books. Due to fine sources like these, and others like the Figuet - Ruchon OVNI book (a bible really) France is second only so the United States in sheer number of UFO listings in the *U* Database. Please see the following link for a full list of *U* sources: http://www.jps.net/larryhat/USOURCE.html To see more maps, statistics etc., please explore a bit from the main page: http://www.jps.net/larryhat I am adding maps and other screens right now. Very best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:40:30 PDT Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:06:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] >>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:15:00 -0400 ><snipped> >>Which reminds me -- how do we know that Tesla's papers really >>were classified? And if they were, how do we know that the >>classified papers said anything radical? >The FBI has two PDF files on their site that are the FOIA >documents which contain numerous correspondence over the years >that the FBI has replied to such inquiries regarding Tesla. >A standard response by the FBI to inquiries, noted in the >documents follows - >"Bufile 100-2237 reflects that Dr. Tesla was a world-famous >electrical inventor, and at the time of his death, all of his >personal papers and effects were believed dangerous to the >country's security if they fell into un-authorized hands. The >book, "Prodigal Genius," by John J. O'Neill alleges that the FBI >took over a certain safe and opened it, appropriating his >property. Bufiles clearly indicate that it was the Office of >Alien Property of the Dept (Dept of Justice) which did so...." <snip> Hi all, The above, if true, does imply that he was no 'crank inventor' and that his works were of such value as to require seizure by the authorities. Correct me if I am wrong but is there something in the US law that states documents in the possession of the gowernment are the property of the people? And if so do they come under FOIA provisions? Regards, Leanne ];-)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Getting A Book Published...? From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 03:15:31 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:18:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Getting A Book Published...? >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:37:41 +0100 >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> >Subject: Getting A Book Published...? >I received an e-mail (below) asking for advice as to how to get >a book published. As there are several authors on the list I >wondered if they might be able to give 'Mark' some friendly >advice? >========== >From: Mark Jones <msjonesuk@hotmail.com> >To: webmaster@ufoinfo.com >Subject: ET DEBATE >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 03:13:11 PDT >Dear Sir, >I have recently finished a masters degree upon the ET debate and >am trying to get it published. Due to the nature of the book it >does not fit into academic titles or the more way out UFO stuff. >I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to who might be >interested to help. Thanks, Mark Jones From roy.hale@virgin.net Hi Mark, You could try getting a copy of your manuscript to the hands of a Mr Andrew Lowney (Literary Agent who deals with Nick Redfern, Tim Good etc..) I don't have a contact number or address but you should be able to track him down somehow. Regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info Needed.. From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 03:25:14 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:19:07 -0400 Subject: Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info Needed.. Dear List, Is there anyone out there who can give me some information of a sighting which happened over the Southend on Sea harbour area 7th / 8th August 1995? The object was described as a 'Spinning cone of Light'. One previously interviewed witness reported that at least 'Four Police Officers were in attendance at the incident' and that a Police helicopter was also scrambled. Unfortunately Essex Police are denying any knowledge of a helicopter being used. If you have any info or data on this sighting I would like to hear from you. Please use the above contact address. Kind Regards, Roy.. The Lost Haven can be found at:
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-14-99 From: Rense E-News <jocelyn@dewittec.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:41:11 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:25:34 -0400 Subject: Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-14-99 Jeff Rense Weekly E-News The Week Ahead 5-16-99 thru 5-22-99 Guests, Announcements, Week's Top Stories From sightings.com Jeff Rense E-News is distributed exclusively by Free Subscription. ___________ * From Jeff's Desk * With last year's electrifying 911 UFO police chase tapes superbly documented and released by researcher Kenny Young, and heard first on this program, we were reminded of the large number of UFO encounters and sightings that police officers are involved in... that we never hear about. One such extraordinary close encounter has just been published in the current issue of Reader's Digest... Florida Officer's Amazing UFO Encounter By Randy Fitzgerald www.readersdigest.com 5-12-99 Just before 4 a.m. on March 19, 1992, Patrolman Luis Delgado, 28, of the Haines City, Fla., Police Department frantically radioed his dispatcher. He said that a light had begun following him after he steered his cruiser down a dark street alongside a citrus grove. He requested assistance. His story, which he would tell fellow officers, is a strange one. Delgado said he noticed a rapidly-descending bright green light in his rearview mirror, and that, seconds later the interior of the car lit up as the light moved to his right and began to pace the car at about 40 miles per hour. When he slowed his patrol car, the light maneuvered in front of him. Though it was so brilliant he had to squint, what he saw behind the glow shocked him. It appeared to be a metallic dome-shaped object, about 15 feet wide, hovering over the road. Delgado pulled his car over to a stop and as he did its engine, lights, and police radio all died. The object continued to hover soundlessly about 10 feet off the pavement and 20 feet in front of his vehicle. Delgado got out of his car and began stepping backward down the street, feeling panic. He noticed that his breath fogged as if it were a cold morning, yet the temperature was 60 degrees. The object departed silently, and Delgado returned to his patrol car where, he says, the ignition, lights, and police radio all started up again without his assistance. At 3:56 a.m., four minutes after Delgado made his distress call, three patrol cars roared up. Sergeant H.L. Bartley found Delgado sitting in his cruiser with the door open, shaking. Later that morning Delgado underwent both a physical and a psychological examination, neither of which found any evidence of injury or mental abnormality. Sgt. Bartley, now retired from the force, vouches for Delgado's credibility. "I don't doubt he saw something strange out there that morning." More than seven years after the incident Delgado, who has not spoken to the media until now, thinks every day about what happened to him. "It's still so vivid in my mind. It was the strangest experience of my life." Mark Rodeghier, Ph.D., scientific director of the Center for UFO Studies in Chicago, calls Delgado's experience similar to nearly 500 others he has cataloged. "The Delgado encounter fits a pattern we have observed since 1947 of UFOs, whatever they are, adversely affecting engines and electrical systems." http://www.readersdigest.com/rdmagazine/specfeat/archives/ufosasecondlookplussto ry.htm For those who missed them, you can hear the Kenny Young 911 UFO police chase tapes in our Archives. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Happy Trentaversary From: Michel M. Deschamps <ufoman@ican.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:07:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:27:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Happy Trentaversary >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:00:55 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Happy Trentaversary >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >(This should have been sent on May 11) >On this eleventh of May, 1999 I wish everyone a happy 49th >anniversary of the Trent photos. >It is unfortunate that they have not lived to see this >anniversary (Mrs. Trent died at age 71 in August of 1997 and Mr. >Trent at age 80 in February, 1998). >These were two of the "most famous" people on earth, certainly >with regard to UFO history. >Yet, their obituaries say nothing about what made them known >around the world.. >I was recently in Santiago, Chile, to attend a UFO conference. >The poster which they printed to advertise this conference shows >a computer enhanced version of Trent #2. >They were poor farmers when they took their pictures. >They were basically poor farmers when they died. >They did not even attempt to capitalize on the >success of their photos. >In many conversations with me over 20 years ago Evelyn didn't >refer to the object as a 'flying saucer'. She would only say >she didn't know what it was. >It is too bad that they have not lived to see the vindication >of their sighting. Dear Bruce, Maybe all of us who have seen, heard, touched, been overflown by, photographed and videotaped UFOs will also be vindicated one day. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of all the secrecy, official denials and dismissals of the best evidence for the reality of extraterrestrial UFOs. I really do hope that the Trents have finally been vindicated. This will pave a path for others who may have in their possession irrefutable photographic or videographic evidence of extraterrestrial spacecraft. Furthermore, I'm glad that today's technology was able to confirm once again that those famous photos are, have been and always will be genuine, no matter what the skeptics say. Cordially, Michel M. Deschamps MUFON Provincial Section Director for Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Firmage: New Writing From: Joe Firmage <thekairos@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:35:01 -0400 Subject: Firmage: New Writing Hello, Joe Firmage here. It has been some time since I last broadcast a message to the visitors to my book's Web site (www.TheWordIsTruth.org), and have just now had time to organize my thoughts following the maelstrom of activity. The time I have available for writing is stretched among the various economic demands on my schedule, integrating a stream of important new knowledge discovered in an ongoing quest of research, and preparing organizational systems capable of supporting a broader set of initiatives on a perpetual basis. Some of you have expressed concern that I may have been discouraged by the rather shallow coverage given the intellectual point of this quest. Much of the coverage hasn't been heartening, to say the least. But, I have to tell you something: it doesn't matter. I'm perfectly happy to let history be the judge. Friends, I believe humanity approaches a new era, one vastly richer in possibility than the one anticipated from within the limits imposed upon civilization by 20th Century physics and fragmented religious ideologies. I believe revolutions in our understanding of physics are likely imminent, and the plausible implications are staggering. A sweeping new view of 21st Century science which respects a core body of spiritual truths holds promise beyond all other ontological paths that can be seen. I will shortly help launch organizations which take this into account and lay a stepwise foundation for helping this transformation along. The firehose of knowledge presently available to serious open-minded thinkers is remarkable. Of course, all domains of study are filled with more misplaced ideas and delusions than truths, particularly at a time when humanity is just beginning to play with advanced tools of communication like computers and the Internet. But underneath a great mass of speculation one can find outstanding gems of first-hand research spanning science, spirituality, and history. I'm in the wonderful and humbling position to see some of the very best new ideas that will drive us down the road ahead. I have become all the more enthralled with a vision that continues to materialize each day. Additions to your library worthy of a new millennium will be recommended shortly, enabling you to follow along on a rigorous path of discovery. I will soon share the most interesting of these concepts as part of the "Truth Files", the kickoff series of presentations which will be facilitated through "SiteCast" (Internet + live broadcast) capabilities of the International Space Sciences Organization (ISSO). ISSO is the vehicle I have constructed to pursue breakthrough scientific inquiries in the fields of propulsion, energy, and the physical dynamics of consciousness. ISSO will establish a "global classroom" on the Internet for the presentation of ideas that arthritic media refuse to present to the public for serious and sober discussion. ISSO is now scheduled to launch on June 1, 1999. More details on this event and subsequent public lecture series will follow later this month, but what I intend to establish is a platform for minds far greater than mine to present their remarkable concepts in terms comprehensible to the public. As a preview of further writings from me, and as an indication of the kinds of breakthrough studies of which you will learn in detail if you choose to stay with me on this journey, I have prepared the following... http://www.thewordistruth.org/new_writing.htm Please take a quiet moment to download and read the document. It is timely. Thank you for this slice of your attention today, and please, visit my site. Remember that all ideas are subject to growth as truth demands, and that what you are reading is simply an unedited beginning of a sweeping story, with the most fascinating surprises yet to be experienced. If you wish to respond to this message, send mail to thekairos@yahoo.com. I hope to review much of what is sent to me, but cannot promise a response to all. Very best... J O S E P H F I R M A G E Founder & Chairman ______________________________________ International Space Sciences Organization mailto: thekairos@yahoo.com P.S. Check out the May issue of Discover Magazine, and the April issue of Physics Today. Therein can be found clues to the revolutions which we may soon see. If you would prefer to be removed from this mailing list, follow the link below: http://www.TheWordIsTruth.org/remove.cfm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: CPR-Canada News - May 15, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 01:16:21 -0800 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:49:40 -0400 Subject: Re: CPR-Canada News - May 15, 1999 CPR-Canada News News and Updates from Circles Phenomenon Research Canada May 15, 1999 _____________________________ Briefing from the field... As we head into the last summer before the new millennium, the crop circles are once again returning to fields around the world with a dozen formations now in England as of this update (all in oil-seed rape - canola in North America) and the first report for this year in Germany. The circle season in England got off to its earliest start of any year so far, with the first formation reported in early April (usually most circles are first reported at the end of April or early May). An interesting array so far of overlapping circles and rings (including a 617 foot depiction of this summer's upcoming major eclipse - ?), old-style (early '90s) pictograms and crescents. Will they also return to Canada? Time will tell; most formations in this country are reported later in the year, in late July or August. Meanwhile, the CPR-Canada 1999 report form is now available for when the next circles are found here... a print version is available or a copy can be downloaded from the web site. Completed forms can be submitted to the main office or to one of the respective provincial coordinator offices (BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario). The 1998 Summary Report has been updated, and is available now at a reduced price. 63 pages with 14 report summaries, photos, diagrams, maps and newsclippings. Also open to offers of exchange for related research material. The next Fields of Dreams Lecture Series presentation by yours truly is June 21 at Barclay Manor in Vancouver. The May 10 slide show in White Rock was well received. Many thanks to Ann Knight for her hospitality and the wonderful Greek food! In Special Research Projects, more radar ring anomalies from the US. This is a link to the Radar Anomalies section of The Millennium Project web site; while these are probably not related directly to crop circles per se, as with the forest rings, it is an interesting area that deserves some further investigation. And a reminder for all Canadian subscribers to this update - if you see or hear of ANY reports of possible circles, please do let us know! Paul Anderson Director Circles Phenomenon Research Canada _____________________________ See the CPR-Canada web site for links to the following news stories, an archive of previous news and information on other CPR-Canada resources: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3310 _____________________________ NEWS AND REPORTS * Latest Crop Circle Reports from England and Germany SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Radar Anomalies: More Rings Over the US FIELDS OF DREAMS LECTURE SERIES * Next Presentation by CPR-Canada Director Paul Anderson June 21 in Vancouver, BC 1998 SUMMARY REPORT * Updated Canadian 1998 Summary Report Now Available REPORTING GUIDELINES * Reporting Form for '99 Canadian Reports Now Available _____________________________ CPR-Canada News is the e-mail update service of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada, an affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International, initiated in 1995 by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also founder and director of The Millennium Project. CPR-Canada News is published periodically, with the latest news and reports, information on CPR-Canada events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe CPR-Canada News" or "unsubscribe CPR-Canada News" and e-mail address to CPR-Canada welcomes your reports and submissions, by the tel / fax / e-mail hotlines or mail. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J Canada =A9 CPR-Canada, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Lake Discovered on Mars From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:15:45 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:42:27 EDT >Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:59:57 EDT >>Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars... maybe Lake Steadman <snip> >I wish to offend no one (all right, so there I some whom I don't >care if I offend), however, I grow tired at these attempts at >satire. They are taking up more and more bandwidth and since the >headers never tell us if it is another satire, I wish we could >do away with them. >KRandle I concur. One satirical e-mail is fine. Two is ok for a while. But a satirical reply to almost every mail posted to UpDates is too much. I know that some posts are far out (or may seem that way to some subscribers of UpDates) but others may contain relevant and/or important information to some and it gets rather tiring sorting through satirical replies to find a sensible one. As to the "lake" on Mars, there may be places on Mars where water in liquid form may exist .. e.g. at the bottom of deep canyons/chasms where the atmospheric pressure may be much higher than the surface pressure or where water is being "pumped out" from underground .... subsurface ice melted by volcanic activity or radioactive materials generating heat pumped out in the form of geysers .... who knows, no-one's been there yet :) Anyway, Vince DiPietro and Dr Martin have found (a while ago) a couple of images from Viking taken 4 seconds apart that may show a geyser or water spout. They may be found here : http://www.lauralee.com/JPL.htm Regards, JJ Mercieca Malta UFO Research http://www.mufor.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Alfred's Odd Ode #303 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:17:36 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:15:23 -0400 Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #303 Apology to MW #303 (For May 15, 1999) It's HERE and it satisfies _all_ of your fantasies. Existing as promised it lives and it breathes! The WORLD existing inside a computer that won't be constrained by the *man*, if you please. It happens real time as you walk through it's walls, survey people's houses, their bedrooms, and halls. You can FLY, you can WARP, you can TELEPORT _cheap_; the touch of a button, and you soar and you cleave! The physics won't matter -- you turn on a dime, defying proud gravity, a new paradigm! And _you_ are at _home_ in this wondrous space. You have an air castle you've built in this place! It's built like your dreams, and it lays as you'll have it. It soars and it sweeps like you're Franky Lloyd Wright. It is built to reflect the desire inside you that soars with the eagle, your _passionate_ right. Nothing's denied you, it _all_ can be done! Buttresses flying, one builds on the RUN! Laying real floor like it's paint from a brush, the levels confusing -- the tree's are so lush! Fine gardens constructed to pleasure the eye! The beauty so REAL (there's a tear in your eye!). Import your own art from a site that you own and expand _inside_ space to a new cyber zone! It boggles the mind, it's potential is huge. There's all of the promise that *contact* imbues. It's _all_ of the knowledge that lives in a record we have as raw data, collected like checkers. It's all the great minds at your beck and your call. Asking tough questions, it's a party -- a ball. Speak with your fellows that *live* there with you; make some new friends, (safer enemies <g> too). More democratic, it planes and it levels -- it's all in your mind so your weaknesses shrivel! You're whole and you're moving in spite of an illness. You have no disability, appearance is silliness. You are who you _would_ be, irrespective of gender. You're gallant, self reliant -- if you like (?) a pretender. I'm scratching the surface of what this could be. Just up from all fours, it still crawls on it's knees. The ground floor is open for all that it's worth. There are shops, and fine stores here awaiting their birth. Think of the savings that live in this place, a fraction of payment to work in this space. It's full motion video, it's bright and it's airy -- it's pictures all hooked to a cart you _don't_ carry. You see and you're moving -- a stroll in a mall, but sitting quite naked at home; make your call. The sellers are robots or folks (if you will), not having to travel, they save on _their_ bills. The *store* of the future -- it beckons us on! It's sane, and earth friendly -- it's a better, new song. And who do we thank for the grand inspiration? Who bought in _early_ and showed it to US? Who put the word out securing attention of what may have changed all the rules it will bust? The spotlights come up and they're searching the floor! They weave and they dance as they figure the score! Shining right through in a beam clear and dense, and standing up slowly, we see it's Jeff Rense. Lehmberg@snowhill.com You've _got_ to come see my gallery in this place. As big as any museum -- there are around 200 pieces of original art -- hanging as in any art house. "Sightings.com" has all the information on how to VISIT that world (the best part) -- AND it's free. See my gallery in Dreamworld at Coordinates 9North by 58 West -- look for the teleport! Forgetting how much fun one can have in a more fully featured "quake" world that talks back, and allows you to build in it, it's applications are truly ENDLESS. A teacher can but up a continuous, dated blackboard, a student can review solutions to problems, a college professor can display all his notes at different locations in a building of _any_ design. It's _cheap_ building space; an entire office building is confined to a desktop computer. It's a memory aid the students can build themselves to help them categorize and internalize information. It's the kind of thing that children (of all ages) will flock to because it can be so _safely_ democratic. It's a school or library IN A BOX, and it's only going to get better. Moreover, it's a world that can flout proud physics, adding to its "anything goes" edge that is _very_ attractive. It can also be full featured, very visually appealing (and effective!) STORE in a box. The first guy to make a million from applying this throw me a damned BONE, will you? This is not a mere _web_ site (it fact it uses the web site as a repository tool); this is a much more cost effective physical location. As real and as satisfying as anything else in our phony baloney world, I think it likely we can wrest a more efficacious reality FROM it! Restore John Ford! -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:09:04 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:26:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET >From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Reuters: Aliens unlikely to resemble ET >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:40:44 -0700 >Friday May 14 10:14 AM ET >Real Alien Life Forms Unlikely To Resemble E.T. >By Patricia Reaney >LONDON (Reuters) - They may not look like E.T. but the >possibility that life forms exist beyond our planet is very >real, scientists said Friday. >Although he was just a loveable creature in a 1982 Hollywood >blockbuster, E.T. the extraterrestrial gave a less threatening >face to creatures from outer space. <snip> Dear Patricia, Steven, Dr. Don, Dr. Monica et. al.: I DO hope (and presume) you are all talking about possible life forms in this our one best known solar system. This was not made clear in the article above. Any suppositions about planets about some other star must await further discovery. This could take decades, maybe centuries. We would send intelligent probes .. not alien (human) invaders. If perchance we should scope out a planet with intelligent albeit less advanced beings, can you imagine the doubt, denial, confusion and fol-de-rol that would ensue among their people? It would probably be best to hide the probe-craft as much as possible, and under no circumstances to make overt contact. That would be the most moral and practical course. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:05:56 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:07:52 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? Hi Mark, All that are following this thread <huge, unkind snip of very relevant material from the esteemed Mister Cashman> >I hope that none of this will be taken as disrespect to those >who have had or reported these experiences. Determining >the nature of the abduction experience is important, if >for no other reason than to end or alleviate the suffering >of those with these experiences. Sadly, as careful as many >of the researchers in this field have tried to be, however, >there is a tremendous amount of contamination and there >are many problematic accounts. We must be very very >careful to avoid attributing specific objective reality to >some of these events, and we must be especially wary >of doing damage to concepts of objective physical reality >in attempting to bring these events within the sphere of >understanding. If, indeed, these events present new >insights into the nature of reality, those insights will have >to wait until the serious, objective, and fact-based >research required has been undertaken. >------ >Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at >http://www.temporaldoorway.com >- Original digital art, writing, music and more - Mark I agree with your sentiments, I mean no disrespect to any people who claim to have had an abduction experience. In my research into this matter has shown me that the proportion of sighting reports that are the _chaff_ seam almost equal to the same with abduction reports. I do not mean this to insult/slander/hurt/whatever those who claim this dreadful experience but the fact of the matter is a certain amount of _claimed_ abduction experincers are the same as those who _claim_ a genuine sighting. _SOME_ can be explained. Either by Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, Acutely sharp dream state, drug abuse or even having been hyponotised and having had the suggestion implanted. Or some other cause. I have intervied only three people in the flesh, and eleven over the internet. Whilst this might be a pitifully small selection I have never claimed to be an abduction researcher or councilor<sp?> so this to a _normal_ UFO researcher could be a reasonable number?? Drawing a tempory conclusion from the data at hand is where I come to my conclusion about the proportions of genuine cases to that of _mistaken_ cases. I could almost say that I earnestly hoped they was all mistaken so that perhaps this nightmare scenario was wholely made up, bad the sad fact of the matter is (as far as I am concerned) that there is a small percentage of _genuine_ abductions. One thing that really does cause me concern is that some people who automatically assume that nearly all abductions are _genuine_ and that to criticise or investigate is to make the researcher become something more than a skeptic. I know this is relatively true of the whole UFO _scene_ but even more so with the delicate matter of abductions. I for one would like to investigate the matter further but thankfully we have relatively few abduction cases in the UK. ( I wonder if this has led some UK researchers to wonder if the
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Re: Lake Discovered on Mars From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:49:47 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:11:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:42:27 EDT >Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:59:57 EDT >>Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars... maybe Lake Steadman >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>Hi List... I am no geologist or Mars expert. I _AM_ a Gripple >>Expert however. I am not a physicist either, although I must >>occasionally unclog the old pipes with the detritous of ill- >>conceived Gripple sediment from the end of the old alimentary >>canal, which is now known as the "Banal Canal." Meaning altho >>not a physicist, I occasionally take them. Along with an >>occasional anemic.... ametic... emetic... barf juice! > >Hi All, >I wish to offend no one (all right, so there are some whom I don't >care if I offend), however, I grow tired at these attempts at >satire. There are a whole bunch different of ways to go with this -- and as one of the "satirists" it would be unseemly for me to vent too much black bile <g>(and besides, I'm of the mind that the occasional gripple-bust is just what the good doctor ordered); however, "I gots to say _sumpin_'" This field needs the satire, Mr. Randle. It needs the satire every bit as much as it needs _your_ tireless efforts and boundless courage. It needs it to be used as a lens to explore the humor of conscience. It needs it to humanize and make assessable to a lower, yes _lower_ common denominator, the very real people you expect to support your much needed investigation. It needs it to interest people generally excluded by the hard to qualify and quantify _details_ of your very crucial work. All work and no play (and it's not really play at all, is it?), makes Jack a dull boy. Finally, don't suggest we do to ufology what the government did to the space program -- make it boring. Satire is a way to open up the scope and view, chase demons breathing on all of us, and give our endeavors a little more depth of field. >They are taking up more and more bandwidth and since the >headers never tell us if it is another satire, I wish we could >do away with them. Perhaps -- In the same manner you find my identified Odes easily deleteable, Jim could call his contributions "Gripes from the Gripple Works" "Gesundt's Hights" or even "Wine Before It's Time" -- then you could delete them as quickly as you can any of my tedious contributions. But I think you would be making a mistake, missing something, and needlessly limiting your ufological length and breadth. C'mon Major -- lighten up <g>. Have a little gravy on yer mashed potatoes! It's made with Grandma's goose grain "Garden Gripple," blended from the best of what can be scared up at the time <g>. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 15 Seti@home From: Brian Straight <briansxx@gte.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:25:02 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:14:29 -0400 Subject: Seti@home FYI The seti@home software for windows is now available for download at the seti@home site: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ (it's not supposed to be ready until Monday, so get a jump on others). I downloaded last night and started analysing my first data set. This thing is, as my daughter would say, "way cool!" Brian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:37:03 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET >From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Reuters: Aliens unlikely to resemble ET >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:40:44 -0700 Hello,all, This thought process is why I gave up a career in science. >Friday May 14 10:14 AM ET >Real Alien Life Forms Unlikely To Resemble E.T. >By Patricia Reaney >LONDON (Reuters) - They may not look like E.T. but the >possibility that life forms exist beyond our planet is very >real, scientists said Friday. Why do they always use E.T.as an example of an Alien , when they just as easily could resemble, ah, Dan Quayle-hmmm? >Although he was just a loveable creature in a 1982 Hollywood >blockbuster, E.T. the extraterrestrial gave a less threatening >face to creatures from outer space. <snip> >``There are good reasons to think, as biologists, that there are >organisms that exist elsewhere,'' Dr Don Cowan, of University >College London, told The Royal Astronomical Society. This is an example of the Scientific mind, yes there is life, but due to our exalted position there can't be (read; I hope there isn't because if there is, 30 years of work goes in the dumpster) intelligent lfe else- where in the universe. >But life on other planets is more likely to be a single organism >capable of living under extreme conditions than the three-eyed >creatures depicted in many science fiction films. Scientist on Mars, anilyising soil sample found in anchient vehicle track (think "sand crawler") she writes up the report, stating that the sample was "taken from an interesting geological feature." >``Life will be evolutionarily primitive,'' he added. even if they have a few million to a billon years on us? >Even the simplest creatures, Cowan said, need liquid water, the >right temperatures, a nutrient supply and other essential >conditions to survive. Given the predilection for the creation of planets,I would think that "Just right" would be common. >He described the biological ``envelope,'' or boundaries of life, >at upper and lower temperature levels and the places where such >primitive forms of life could thrive. >Hydrothermal pools, steam vents, boiling mud pools and >underwater hydrothermal vents, where life on Earth is thought to >have begun, are the ideal environments for simple life forms on >other planets. <snip> How about Jungles and Deserts and Oceans-oh my!-we aren't allowed to speculate like some wild science fiction or UFO nutkake. >Dr Monica Grady, of the Natural History Museum in London, >supported his arguments and went a step further, suggesting >planets such as Mars and the moons of Jupiter have areas on or >just below the surface where life could be sustained. >``There is the potential for life to have existed in many >inhospitable niches in the solar system,'' she told the meeting. I agree, but,its been my expeience that conventional science is like any fundemental belief system-don't question,just believe no- thing exsists outside of our selves.We are it, the height of evolution. <snip> >Grady expressed the hope that one day scientists would locate >extraterrestrial life on another planet. >``Hopefully it will look like this,'' she said, pointing to a >drawing of a green alien. >``But it will probably resemble that,'' she added as she turned >toward what looked like a large worm. May the worm extend a pseudopod and say:"pleased to meet you in perfect english". -GT McCoy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 From: Terry James <ksamurai@flnet.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:07:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:56:58 -0400 Subject: Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 >Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) >From: Planetary Mysteries <planmyst@dnai.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 <snip> >SECOND FACE ON MARS? >Mr. Terry James has been researching NASA Mars photos for the >past five years. He believes he discovered the second face >anomaly on April 7th 1999. >The Second Face On Mars: ><http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html>http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai / >newface.html >While I admire Terry's enthusiasm (I posted some of his >material), I have examined several images including: "cover-ups" >on the Yogi rock and large craft on the moon, none which could >be verified by analysis and some that seemed blatantly like a >hoax (not saying that Terry originated those...but believed >them). In previous postings there appears to be a genuine anger >toward NASA that clouds his judgment. If he could keep a more >objective attitude, his investigative energies and talents could >prove very fruitful. <snip> Dear Kynthia: You and I have known each other by e-mail for quite some time now and I find it very odd that someone with your artistic ability could not possibly see the New Face on Mars that so many others do. The last time I checked my page counter it's received in excess of 7000 hits in only one month and I haven't made any great effort to place it into the various search engines on the net... This interest has occured spontaneously via the internet itself. So, I'm sorry for suggesting this, but I have to wonder about your real agenda Kynthia.... Could it be that you have too much invested in the Face at Cydonia to risk a downslide in sales of its various associated bobbles and books? I can understand the dilemma you face, however, there is something much more important for you, Richard Hoagland and Mark Carlotto to consider in this new find. In the long run, this New face on Mars will lend even more credibility to existence of the Cydonia artifacts. The Face at Cydonia took an effective slam during the CATBOX saga... I warned many of you (back then via e-mail and BBS posts) before the Cydonia Face was re-imaged, that you were putting too much power in this one artifact, and that it would be quickly and ruthlessly debunked by NASA et al in the eyes of the public. And as history records, that is exactly what occured. Their effective debunking of the Face has placed the anomaly issue on the back-burner of the public's general interest and into the pages of the tabloids at best. Most of those really interested in Cydonia know of the now rectified Cydonia Face data, but the general public does not. In fact, even today, any casual surfer to a NASA or MALIN site for a look at the Face at Cydonia will still find themselves staring at that ridiculous CATBOX and look no further. NASA MALIN et al, have effectively (although unfairly) gutted the credibility of the Face at Cydonia in the eyes of the general public Kynthia. Of course I agree, the Face at Cydonia is a truly magnificent artifact, especially considering its association with the surrounding structures, in fact, it and Hoagland were the inspiration for my studies of Mars and the Moon. However, the general public has lost interest in the Face at Cydonia and anything associated with it... So what we need now is something new to grab the publics interest again regarding the overall Mars anomaly issue. And this New Face I've found on Mars fits the bill perfectly. The USGS has confirmed by two separate e-mails to Mitch Battros at ECTV that the base data is correct and has not been tampered with. And unlike the Face at Cydonia, this new face structure was imaged in excess of 8 different times over a two year period! All of the data is available on the thousands of NASA VIKING CDs that were sold to the public over the years! And most, if not all of these different images support the existence of this structure! Now we all have an opportunity to study a new face structure from a new perspective... I'll admit that the surrounding features are less inviting than that of Cydonia at first glance, but this means little in the big picture especially considering the number of images available for study, and the astounding features and the fine detail that this new face provides us. In fact, further study of this New Face may also provide evidence of a special asscociation to Cydonia! You should take the time to re-visit my numerous webpages on this new face (I also have all of the relevant data in full size images but they are not posted) and rethink this issue carefully. Please refresh each page if you've been there recently, the data is being constantly updated. http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html With regard to your suggestive post that other of my work is questionable... I actually laughed when I read that you thought my South Peak was nothing but a clipped piece of fabricated data. You may not know this but you should Kynthia...I was the first to study the South Peak...And on my website the whole chronological saga is available for anyone to read through. And I also have to ask you, if my South Peak find is so insignificant, then why did Mike Bara take the time to mention the fantastic structures of "both peaks" in Hoaglands last bio? In fact, I took offence to this part of his bio because it suggested that Hoagland was the dicoverer of the structures on both peaks, while written history tells us that Hoagland studied the North Peak and many of you thought I was insane at the time to be studying the South Peak, thinking it was a was a waste of my time. I received many e-mails from various sources, including you, stating I should look at the North Peak - the South peak is nothing! You Kynthia should take the time to read the whole saga, laid out chronologically on this page... http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/twinlith.html With regard to your comments about my other work, such as Yogi, yes, I know it is on the edge. But regardless, everything I illustrate is simply anomalous, demanding answers. If the base data I'm provided is flawed or my analysis is flawed in some areas, then so be it. I for one believe that Yogi is a very significant artifact that strongly suggests the existence of a past intelligence on Mars...There are many conflicting images of it, (which may be intentional so as to fog the issues) but I find this data most interesting... http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/rosetta.html So you can defame my work and believe what you want about my ability and integrity regarding these very controversial issues, but one thing you, Hoagland, Carlotto and others with like interests should not ignore is the fantastic opportunity I've provided you with KK's New Face on Mars. -- Kind Regards, Terry aka...kksamurai *** The TRUTH shall survive all time and trial! *** http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/newface.html It's a NEW FACE on MARS! http://disc.server.com/Indices/46226.html Venus-Its mystery Unfolds! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36204.html Moon-lite talk! http://disc.server.com/Indices/36207.html Europa...It Lives! http://disc.server.com/Indices/8728.html The Red Planet Roundtable! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/mars.html Mars...A Serious Adventure! http://users.flnet.com/~ksamurai/moon/index.html Moon...Serious Too!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:28:53 -0400 Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >>>From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>Date: Tue, 11 May 99 10:54:32 PDT >>>>>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:24:50 -0700 >>>>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>>>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>>>Subject: Re: The Protocols of Zion ><snipped reasonable sounding rationalization for book burning> I did not read anything in Jeff Rense's post suggesting that he favors book-burning. That's simply unfair, and I think you owe him an apology. >>I'm glad to read that you are planning to expose the Protocols >>as the forgery it has long been known to be. Good for you. I >>am, however, disheartened to see how much your website caters to >>conspiracy theories no less bone-headed or, arguably, dangerous. >>My experience is that if you scratch a conspiracy theorist, a >>bigot bleeds. >Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >conspiracy. Precisely. >I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. A wholly unnecessary explanation, unless you believe that wrongdoing is by definition evidence of conspiracy, presumably orchestrated by Satan himself. Since none of us is without sin, I suppose, then, we are all agents of the conspiracy. >resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am >assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run >through the history of western civilization points up abundant >conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of >conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've >become? I'm afraid there's no blood in this turnip. As documented in insightful studies of conspiracy theory by the likes of George Johnson, Daniel Pipes, Richard Hofstadter, and others, conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial bigotry historically are so entwined as to be indistinguishable. If you say you are not a bigot, I am happy to take your word for it. On the other hand, your innocence in this regard tells me only that you are one very naive conspiracy theorist. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Seven Steps to Hell From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:01:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:17:24 -0400 Subject: Seven Steps to Hell EBK and list; Here are two articles regarding the '66 Portage Pursuit. The first article makes brief mention of a mysterious automobile which had a strange triangular emblem w/lightning bolt on the side of the vehicle [filled with radio equipment] that was accompanied by the written phrase: "Seven Steps to Hell." And has anything similar been reported elsewhere? [this wouldn't seem normal for the '66 time-period/ or even today..?] Thanks, KENNY YOUNG ----- The Cleveland Plain Dealer, Sunday, October 9, 1966 Pg. 8- A: HE CHASED A FLYING SAUCER, NOW HIS LIFE IS SHATTERED by John De Groot RAVENNA (AP)--In his world of loneliness and twisted nightmares, Dale Spaur wonders if the nightmare will ever end. It began six months ago with "Seven Steps to Hell" and ended with a flying saucer named Floyd. In the predawn hours of a gentle April morning, Portage County Sheriff's Deputy Spaur chased a flying saucer 86 miles. NOW THE STRANGE craft is chasing him. And he is hiding from it, a bearded stranger peering past the limp curtains of a tiny motel room in Solon. He no longer is a deputy sheriff. His marriage is shattered. He has lost 40 pounds. He lives on one bowl of cereal and a sandwich each day. He walks three miles to an $80-a-week painters job. His motel room costs $60 a week. The court has ordered him to pay his wife $20 a week for the support of his two children. That leaves Dale Spaur exactly nothing. THE FLYING saucer did it. "If I could change all that I have done in my life," he said, "I would change just one thing. And that would be the night we chased that damn thing. That saucer." He spit the word out, "Saucer." An obscenity. Others might understand. Four other officers took part in the April 17 [1966] drama. Police Chief Gerald Buchert of Mantua saw the craft and photographed it. The pictures turned out badly, an odd fuzzy white thing suspended in blackness. Today, Chief Buchert laughs nervously when he speaks of that night. "I'D RATHER NOT talk about it," he says. "It's something that should be forgotten...left alone. I saw something, but I don't know what it was." Special Deputy W.L. Neff rode with Spaur during the chase. He won't talk about it. His wife Jackelyne explains, "I hope I never see him like he was after the chase. He was real white, almost in a state of shock. It was awful." "And people made fun of him afterwards. He never talks about it anymore. Once he told me, 'If that thing landed in my back yard, I wouldn't tell a soul.' He's been through a wringer." PATROLMAN Frank Panzenella saw the chase end in Conway, Pa., where he works. He saw the craft. Now he is silent. Friends say he had his telephone removed because of calls about that April morning. H. Wayne Huston was a police officer in East Palestine, O. He had worked there seven years. Several months after the saucer passed above him in the night, he resigned...going to Seattle Wash., to drive a bus. Huston now goes by Harold W. Huston. He tells you," Sure I quit because of that thing. People laughed at me. And there was pressure... You couldn't put your finger on it, but the pressure was there. The city officials didn't like police officers chasing flying saucers." SPAUR AND HUSTON have turned in their badges. Now Spaur hides in Solon, a fugitive from a flying saucer named Floyd. He cannot escape the strange craft. Spaur and Neff were checking on a car parked alongside U.S. 224 between Randolph and Atwater. The car was filled with radio equipment and had a strange emblem painted on its side, a triangle with a bolt of lightning inside it. Above the emblem was written, "Seven Steps to Hell." Behind them they heard a strange humming noise and turning, said they saw a huge saucer shaped craft rise out of a woods and hover above them, bathing them in a warm white light. Then it moved off. LEAVING THE mystery car behind, never to be seen again, the two deputies hopped into their cruiser and chased the object, sometimes at speeds of more than 100 miles an hour. The chase finally ended when the cruiser ran out of gas near Pittsburgh. They said the craft they chased was about 50 feet across and 15 to 20 feet high with a large dome on its top and an antenna jutted out from the rear of the dome. After the chase, Spaur's daily routine was washed away in a sea of reporters, television cameramen, Air Force investigators, government officials, strange letters from places like Little Rock, Ark. and Australia that told him what to do if "the little green men" tried to contact him. "MY ENTIRE LIFE came crashing down around my shoulders," he said. "Everything changed. I still don't really know what happened. But suddenly, it was as though everybody owned me. And I no longer had anything for myself. My wife, my home, my children. They all seemed to fade away." Spaur's wife Daneise now is alone with her two children. She has filed for divorce and is working as a waitress in a bar at Ravenna. "Something happened to Dale, but I don't know what it was," she says. He came home that day and I never saw him more frightened before. He acted strange, listless. He just sat around. He was very pale." "THEN LATER, he got real nervous. And he started to run away. He'd just disappear for days and days. I wouldn't see him." "Our marriage fell apart. All sorts of people came to the house. Investigators. Reporters. They kept him up all night. They kept after him, hounding him. They hounded him right into the ground." "And he changed." Then one night, Dale came home very late. He isn't sure what happened. He walked into the living room. There were some other people there. Things were very tense. Very confused. HE GRABBED his wife and shook her. Hard. He kept shaking her. It left big ugly bruises on her arms. He doesn't know how or why... That was the end of July. Daneise filed assault and battery charges. Dale was jailed and turned in his badge. A newspaper printed a story about the deputy who chased the flying saucer being jailed for beating his wife. When he got out of jail, Dale ran...left town, turned his back on everything. BUT THE SAUCER followed him, locked in his dreams. In Ravenna, Daneise can only say, "Dale is a lost soul. And everything is finished for us." In Solon, Dale said, "I have become a freak. I'm so damn lonely. Look at me...34 years old and what do I have? Nothing." "Who knows me? To everyone I'm Dale Spaur, the nut who chased a flying saucer. My father called me several weeks ago. A long time ago we had a fight. I hadn't heard from him for years. Then he calls me." "DO YOU THINK he called to ask how I was...To say 'I love you, son... To see if I wanted to go fishing, or something? Hell, no. He wanted to know if I'd seen any more flying saucers." "I tried to go to church for help. I went to church and the minister introduced me to the congregation. 'We have the man who chased a flying saucer with us today,' he said." Dale Spaur wept as he told what the flying saucer named Floyd had done to him. He calls it Floyd because he saw it once more while he was still working for the sheriff's department. THE RADIO operators knew civilians were monitoring their broadcasts. So they agreed to use a code name if the flying saucer was seen again. They called it Floyd...Dale Spaur's middle name. Dale was driving east on Interstate 80-S one night in June [1966]. He looked up. There it was. "Floyd's here with me," he whispered into the radio. Then he parked the car and sat there, alone. This time Barney Neff was not with him. Dale did not look out the window. He lit a cigarette and stared at the floor of the cruiser. He sat there for nearly 15 minutes...not looking outside, not wanting to see Floyd. WHEN HE LOOKED up, Floyd had disappeared. Yet it still follows him. And it has ruined his life. This he believes. EOA ------------------- The Cleveland Plain Dealer Monday, April 18, 1966 Pg. 14 OHIO DEPUTIES CHASE, LOSE BRILLIANT UFO by Douglas Bloomfield Portage County Bureau RAVENNA--Hundreds of persons in two states reported seeing a "brilliant and shiny" object over eastern Ohio early yesterday. Two Portage County deputies chased it 86 miles. Portage County Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur said he and his partner, Deputy Sheriff W.H. Neff played tag with the mysterious object from 5 a.m. near Ravenna to 6:30 a.m. on the outskirts of Pittsburgh. Police Chief Gerald Buchert of Mantua saw the object and photographed it in front of his home. He showed a print of his picture to the Plain Dealer but said the Air Force told him not to release it or permit photographs to be taken. BUCHERT DESCRIBED it as "round when I looked straight up at it, but when it moved to the left--I feel like an idiot saying this--it looked like a saucer, like two table saucers put together." The photograph showed an object with a very dark bottom and a very light top. Each half seemed to resemble a saucer seen from the side. The lighter top "saucer" was upside down. Spaur described the object as about 40 feet wide and 18 feet high. He said he clocked it at speeds up to 103 mph as they chased it from Randolph Township to Conway, Pa. A BRILLIANT beam of light from the object lit the area. Spaur said, "It was so bright, even with the sun coming out, it stood out. Its lines were very distinct," he said as he used the bell of a flashlight to describe the object. "We were close, closer than I ever want to be again," he told the Plain Dealer. "I know nobody's going to believe it but its true." Spaur said all his former doubts about UFOs were removed. "Somebody had control over it. It wasn't just an object floating around. It can maneuver. The only sound was a steady, faint humming like an electrical transformer when we first spotted it," he said. The sound was inaudible as the deputies chased the object, they added. AT CONWAY, PA., Spaur said the object began hovering and was "going for altitude, straight up." After watching for about 20 minutes, he and the others went inside the police station to telephone U.S. Air Force officials he said, and when they came back outside the object was gone. The Federal Aviation Agency's Air Traffic Control Centers at Oberlin and Pittsburgh said they spotted no unknown objects on their radar early yesterday. EOA ----------- UFO Research http://home.fuse.net/ufo/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Velez<jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:04:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:35:16 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:45:47 +0100 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >John expresses difficulties with John Velez' desire to >restrict focus to abductions where the witness reports >full consciousness during all portions of the abduction >event. He rightly raises the Puddy event as problematic >for many abduction cases, but I believe is unfair to >John Velez, who is simply trying to reduce the potential for >noise level in the study of abductions as real events. <reluctantly snipped for brevity> >Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at >http://www.temporaldoorway.com >- Original digital art, writing, music and more - Hi Mark, Thank you for your lucid response to Mr Rimmer, and to my post. I was not going to respond at all due to the 'personal' terms John's missive was couched in. John Velez this, and John Velez that. My name gets used ten times in as many paragraphs and there was more than a little 'foaming at the mouth' going on than I am comfortable with. :) You addressed the 'content' of my post, whereas Mr Rimmer seems more more interested in going after me personally. I'm not the "meat" that is on the table. Again, thanks for you contribution to the conversation. It was an informative and thoughful post Mark. Peace, John Velez ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:02:22 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:39:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:40:30 PDT >>"Bufile 100-2237 reflects that Dr. Tesla was a world-famous >>electrical inventor, and at the time of his death, all of his >>personal papers and effects were believed dangerous to the >>country's security if they fell into un-authorized hands. The >>book, "Prodigal Genius," by John J. O'Neill alleges that the FBI >>took over a certain safe and opened it, appropriating his >>property. Bufiles clearly indicate that it was the Office of >>Alien Property of the Dept (Dept of Justice) which did so...." Many thanks to Don Allen for his informative response. >Hi all, >The above, if true, does imply that he was no 'crank inventor' >and that his works were of such value as to require seizure by >the authorities. Or that the authorities (who don't always know what they're doing) thought they were. I'm reminded of another incident....when the federal government (don't know which agency) burned Wilhelm Reich's books. Saw that in a documentary once. The books were considered obscene. >Correct me if I am wrong but is there something in the US law >that states documents in the possession of the gowernment are >the property of the people? And if so do they come under FOIA >provisions? The law about ownership of documents is pretty complex. For instance, lots of government documents are also the personal papers of government officials. It's not at all clear who owns those. Many officials have worked out fancy deals -- Henry Kissinger, for instance, has sealed documents he created during the Nixon administration. They won't be publicly available for many years....but he was able to look at him himself, and use them in his memoirs. (And as a result, nobody else can check Kissinger's reports of what the documents say!) Nor do I think more routine government documents are considered property of the people -- an intangible entity in any case, with (I believe) no legal standing. Or, rather, the entity that can go into court and make charges in the name of "the people of the United States" is the federal government itself! The Freedom of Information Act is very valuable, and of course could be used in an attempt to pry loose all sorts of things. I just finished reading a book, though, on the many ways the government has been able to circumvent it. Forget UFOs...the government is very reluctant to release documentsof any kind, sometimes simply to cover up any appearance of ineptitude. Some officials, it turns out, used to be strong advocates of openness...and changed their tune after they got their positions. The FOIA isn't any kind of panacea, apparently, and from what I've been reading, the government has actually been _more_ willing to release UFO data than, say, information about sensitive foreign policy issues of the 1950s. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:46:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:21:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 05:09:04 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Aliens Unlikely To Resemble ET >If perchance we should scope out a planet with intelligent >albeit less advanced beings, can you imagine the doubt, denial, >confusion and fol-de-rol that would ensue among their people? Hmmm....you mean like we're experiencing now about UFOs? (Whether they're alien or not.....just the possibility that they might be seems to make us crazy.) Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Book Burnings & Conspiracies [was: Jeff Rense From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:07:02 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:35:42 -0400 Subject: Book Burnings & Conspiracies [was: Jeff Rense >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >conspiracy. I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. I >resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am >assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run >through the history of western civilization points up abundant >conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of >conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've >become? Wait....if "any rational run through the history of western civilization points up abundant conspiracy," etc., then anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy isn't rational? Sigh. The rhetoric heats up. And it's interesting that Mr. L. thinks government scandals are signs of conspiracy. It's not exactly news that (a) governments have perfectly normal reasons for hiding what they do, ranging from genuine issues of security to disreputable attempts to cover their asses, and (b) that governments sometimes resort to illegal means to keep themselves in power, or to enrich their supporters. All this is obvious enough without conspiracies. It's much worse in the third world. And, interestingly, it used to be much worse in the United States, generations ago. Does anyone remember political bosses in big American cities? "Smoke-filled rooms" in which political parties here decided on presidential candidates? "Robber barons" around the turn of the (last) century who controlled congressmen, senators, and entire state legislatures? My impression, after watching American politics for 40-odd years and after much reading, is that politics and government are in many ways -- in everything, I'd guess, that's not concerned with foreign policy and the military -- more open than they used to be. Does that mean the conspiracy has less power? Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: Beyond Closed Minds From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:48:06 -0300 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:08:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:40:30 PDT >>>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: Beyond Closed Minds [was: Tesla] >>>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:15:00 -0400 >><snipped> >>>Which reminds me -- how do we know that Tesla's papers really >>>were classified? And if they were, how do we know that the >>>classified papers said anything radical? >>The FBI has two PDF files on their site that are the FOIA >>documents which contain numerous correspondence over the years >>that the FBI has replied to such inquiries regarding Tesla. >>A standard response by the FBI to inquiries, noted in the >>documents follows - >>"Bufile 100-2237 reflects that Dr. Tesla was a world-famous >>electrical inventor, and at the time of his death, all of his >>personal papers and effects were believed dangerous to the >>country's security if they fell into un-authorized hands. The >>book, "Prodigal Genius," by John J. O'Neill alleges that the FBI >>took over a certain safe and opened it, appropriating his >>property. Bufiles clearly indicate that it was the Office of >>Alien Property of the Dept (Dept of Justice) which did so...." ><snip> >Hi all, >The above, if true, does imply that he was no 'crank inventor' >and that his works were of such value as to require seizure by >the authorities. >Correct me if I am wrong but is there something in the US law >that states documents in the possession of the gowernment are >the property of the people? And if so do they come under FOIA >provisions? Each agency publishes a list of areas (usually at least a page long) not covered by FOIA. Prominent are items relating to National Security. I included one such list in TOP SECRET/MAJIC. US Government documents when available can be used without payment of royalties or fees (Unlike in the UK) and cannot be copyright. In 1996 the US government because of Executive Order 12958, Declassified 180 Million pages... still a drop in the bucket, but a lot better than the 5 million of 1988. The notion that Americans can get access to everything using the FOIA is widely held and totally incorrect. Stan Friedman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:38:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:21:56 -0400 Subject: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) One of the finest ufologist in the USA was Dr. Hynek, and we lament that the new generation, involved in the most ambiguous aspects of the UFO phenomenon, such as abductions, sometimes don't even reconize his name. This forgetfulness makes us sad and mortifies us profoundly. Dr. Hynek was not only an excellent astronomer by his own merits, but when he began inquiring about the then so called Flying Saucers, he was the first to maintain that the only way to aproach the phenomenon was using the scientific method and for that he established CUFOS (Center for UFO Studies) in 1973 with the hope to attracting other profesionals with similar interest. But what seldom is said, is that in addition to his involment in the UFO mystery, who resulted in the publication of several books and numerous articles, Dr. Hynek was an excellent person of total integrity, he never engaged into the quarrels that characterize today ufology literature. For those qualities, those who knew him well also respected him. For us and for many others, it was a privilege to knew him during the last years of his life, and we consider our obligation to continue his work and remember his life. Such is the purpose of this post. Dr. Hynek came to this world on May 1, 1910, the year of Halley's Comet, and left it during its next visit (April 27, 1986), an event that he foresaw and announced We don't know where Allen is now but we are certain he already knows the truth behind the UFO phenomenon and that he will be smiling upon seeing the ideas, that in our ignorance, we are espousing. Dr. Willy Smith Proyect UNICAT Dr. Virgilio S=E1nchez-Ocejo Miami UFO Center Miami, May 15, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:17:48 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:31:47 -0400 Subject: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux On the last day of 1998, Jan Aldrich brought this thread to a close by with the remark: "Basically, they were probably firing at their own meteorological balloon." Peter Brookesmith gave the distinct impression of a nod of approval at this analysis. Jan went on to caution: "The incident is more complex than just one Met. balloon. Some documents are still not available." On one of my mailing lists, skepticism is being expressed that a searchlight-illumined weather balloon could be subjected to, as Larry Hatch put it, "1430 Anti-Aircraft shells (and who knows what else)... to no effect." Does anyone have explanation for this? Keith
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 What Ever Happened To... From: Ian Read <i.read@netcom.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:58:38 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:00:55 -0400 Subject: What Ever Happened To... Does anyone know what happened to the UK magazine 'UFO Reality'? Also, does anyone know where I can contact the Yorkshire based 'Independent UFO Network'? Ian Read i.read@netcom.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 16 Re: Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info From: Jak Solomon <m033jf00@mcmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:23:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:40:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Southend-On-Sea (Essex, UK) Sighting Info I have friends involved in the abduction phenomenom living in Southend - while I dont know whether or not they have knowledge of this paticular incident, I am happy to put you in touch with them directly on request jakk@cwcom.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: New Face on Mars From: Charles Naugatuck <shawomet@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:24:42 -0400 Subject: Re: New Face on Mars IMHO, this new "face" on Mars is the silliest thing to come down the pike since the diehards buried their heads in the sand when confronted with NASA's new images of the original face. I _do_ see this new face, in the same fashion in which I see "faces" in the cumulus clouds that pass overhead, if I allow my imagination to do so. This strikes me as much ado about nothing.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:22:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >I did not read anything in Jeff Rense's post suggesting that he >favors book-burning. That's simply unfair, and I think you owe >him an apology. Clever dodge sir -- when it was _your_ attitude that I took exception to. >>>I'm glad to read that you are planning to expose the Protocols >>>as the forgery it has long been known to be. Good for you. I >>>am, however, disheartened to see how much your website caters to >>>conspiracy theories no less bone-headed or, arguably, dangerous. >>>My experience is that if you scratch a conspiracy theorist, a >>>bigot bleeds. >>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>conspiracy. >Precisely. Then I suggest your delusion is your own, sir, contributory to our ufological malaise, and unfortunate. >>I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >>for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >>metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >>tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >>sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. >A wholly unnecessary explanation, unless you believe that >wrongdoing is by definition evidence of conspiracy, presumably >orchestrated by Satan himself. Since none of us is without sin, >I suppose, then, we are all agents of the conspiracy. A quick rush to the absurd, sir. I remind you that this universe is big enough to contain even an unlikely Satan. That the explanation is proclaimed unnessary by you is no evidence of a lack of conspiracy. Perhaps your are too quick to defer to 'experts'. >>resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am >>assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run >>through the history of western civilization points up abundant >>conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of >>conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've >>become? >I'm afraid there's no blood in this turnip. That's OK, sir -- I have enough for both of us. <g>. >As documented in >insightful studies of conspiracy theory by the likes of George >Johnson, Daniel Pipes, Richard Hofstadter, and others, >conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial bigotry historically are so >entwined as to be indistinguishable. Perhaps, but appeals to authority, or expecting a jump on a band wagon of bookburning in deference to 'experts' does not address the take I have on our shared interest. As an _individual_ not overly impressed by title, or reputation, and able to "think and wait" in my own right -- I take issue with your haughty dismissal to defer to the traditions of others, and insist that I make up my own mind. >If you say you are not a >bigot, I am happy to take your word for it. Thank you for that, sir. >On the other hand, >your innocence in this regard tells me only that you are one >very naive conspiracy theorist. Your patronizing tone, sir, is plain. It is unjustified. It is inaccurate. It is itself bigoted in assertion, assumption, and attitude. Like evolution, sir, conspiracy is a _fact_. The "theory" is how either of those things works themselves out. I suggest you reassess your _own_ frail innocence. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Firmage: New Writing From: Dan <geibdan@qtm.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:14:10 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:37:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Firmage: New Writing >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:58:57 -0700 (PDT) >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Joe Firmage <thekairos@yahoo.com> >Subject: Firmage: New Writing >Joe Firmage here. It has been some time since I last broadcast a >message to the visitors to my book's Web site >(www.TheWordIsTruth.org), and have just now had time to organize >my thoughts following the maelstrom of activity. The time I have >available for writing is stretched among the various economic >demands on my schedule, integrating a stream of important new >knowledge discovered in an ongoing quest of research, and >preparing organizational systems capable of supporting a broader >set of initiatives on a perpetual basis. Isn't it sad? One more guy with a story but no more facts than anyone else :o( So what else is new ? -- UFO Folklore ! http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/framemst.html Dan's Magic in Michigan http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/magician
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Seti@home From: Scott Caput <scaput@shadow.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:51:13 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:40:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Seti@home >From: Brian Straight <briansxx@gte.net> >To: <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Seti@home >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:25:02 -0500 >FYI >The seti@home software for windows is now available for download >at the seti@home site: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ (it's >not supposed to be ready until Monday, so get a jump on others). >I downloaded last night and started analysing my first data set. >This thing is, as my daughter would say, "way cool!" I too have downloaded the software and am analyzing my first data set. It is WAY cool, and I was surprised at the minimal effect that the extra processor load had on my system. You don't even know it's there. I am running a P2 233MHZ MMX processor with 130 MB ram. This is a great opportunity for Joe public to be part of something that could change our civilization as we know it. seti@home say's that if a signal is found, they will give credit to the PC that discovered it. Neat! Scott R. Caput The brain is by far the most complexly organized piece of matter we know. It is enormously more complicated in structure than a star is, for instance, which is why astronomers know so much about stars, and psychologists know so little about brains. Isaac Asimov
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Trent Obituaries? From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:52:24 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:43:09 -0400 Subject: Trent Obituaries? >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:00:55 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Happy Trentaversary >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> <snip> >(Mrs. Trent died at age 71 in August of 1997 and Mr. >Trent at age 80 in February, 1998). >These were two of the "most famous" people on earth, certainly >with regard to UFO history. >Yet, their obituaries say nothing about what made them known >around the world.. Does anyone know who wrote the obituary furnished to the newspapers? Was it a family member, the funeral home or someone else? Why was there no mention of the photo incident? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Lake Discovered on Mars From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:58:49 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:45:59 -0400 Subject: Lake Discovered on Mars >From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net> >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:15:45 +0200 >Fwd Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars Liquid water cannot exist at an atmospheric pressure of 10 millibars. It probably has not rained on Mars for a couple billion years or so. Can you provide more details about the mechanisms which might allow water to be present on the surface? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:00:59 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:53:06 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:45:47 +0100 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? Mark Cashman's reply is long and considered, and rather than split it up by comments I have snipped it all, and urge people to read the original text and follow up the links supplied. It references a good selection of articles which examine psychological and neurological conditions which have a great deal of relevance to the UFO abduction phenomenon, and I would challenge little of what he says. However none of the extra information allows us to determine before hand whether an abduction has a physical element. The majority of abductees are pefectly convinced that _their_ abduction is physically real and forms part of an unbroken continuum with the rest of their life experience. Cashman's reading list show us many of the reasons why this may not be so, but it does not demonstrate a readily observed, qualitative difference between non-physical and physical abduction experiences (always providing the latter do in fact exist). My objection to John Velez's approach was that it seemed to assume, without adequate demonstration, that there was an easily identified type of 'real' abduction that was the only type worthy of serious investigation. I am not as sanguine as Cashman about the existence of independently witnessed abductions. There have, of course, been multiple abductions, but it would be stretching the language to describe the second person in these as an "independent" witness. The Travis Walton case was cited, and although this is certainly an interesting and very complex case. My colleague on Magonia, John Harney has written about it at length (see the "ETH Bulletin" and "Monthly Supplement" on the Magonia website) challenging simplistic sceptical explanations such as Phil Klass's. It is clear however that the actual abduction (whatever it may have been) was not witnessed by Walton's workmates. I simply comment that the abduction experience is incredibly complex, and research is not helped by the arbitrary writing-off of whole sections of it because of someone's a priori assumptions as to what is or is not a real abduction. -- John Rimmer www.magonia.demon.co.uk Abandon hope all ye who press Enter here
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:47:39 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:57:48 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:04:53 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: John Velez<jvif@spacelab.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? <snip> >>Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at >>http://www.temporaldoorway.com >>- Original digital art, writing, music and more - >Hi Mark, >Thank you for your lucid response to Mr Rimmer, and to my post. >I was not going to respond at all due to the 'personal' terms >John's missive was couched in. John Velez this, and John Velez >that. My name gets used ten times in as many paragraphs and >there was more than a little 'foaming at the mouth' going on >than I am comfortable with. :) >You addressed the 'content' of my post, whereas Mr Rimmer seems >more more interested in going after me personally. >I'm not the "meat" that is on the table. As I was replying to your clearly expressed personal opinions put out for public debate over your own name it is not surprising that your name cropped up quite a lot in my reply - once a paragraph does not seem excessive to me. It's too often the case in ufological debate that any critical comment addressed to a publicly stated opinion seems to be regarded as an "ad hominem" attack. Anybody reading my comments would see clearly that I was not "going after" John Velez personally - I don't know anything about him to "go after" - but that I was attempting to challenge some of his arbitrary and dogmatic statements on what did or did not constitute a valid abduction experience. I have found frequently in the past that "foaming at the mouth" about alleged vicious personal attacks is a good way of ending debates when one of the parties involved needs a quick getaway. -- John Rimmer www.magonia.demon.co.uk Abandon hope all ye who press Enter here
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:10:27 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:21:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:07:02 -0400 >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>conspiracy. I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >>for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >>metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >>tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >>sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. I >>resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am >>assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run >>through the history of western civilization points up abundant >>conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of >>conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've >>become? >Wait....if "any rational run through the history of western >civilization points up abundant conspiracy," etc., then anyone >who doesn't believe in conspiracy isn't rational? Couched in the manner of your presentation, sir, the rational person would be reluctant to continue down the slippery slope that you depict. But, it _would_ appear to seem that it _may_ be as you suggest (up your debating sleeve), that knee jerk dismissal of conspiracy _is_ irrational. > >Sigh. The rhetoric heats up. Well -- _I_ won't be the one to let it boil over. <g>. >And it's interesting that Mr. L. thinks government scandals are >signs of conspiracy. Not _just_ government, Mr. S. -- big business (including their doctors, lawyers, and policemen), the spawner of the government you allude to. >It's not exactly news that (a) governments >have perfectly normal reasons for hiding what they do, ranging >from genuine issues of security to disreputable attempts to >cover their asses, and A priveledge very likely abused horrifically, and without oversite of _any_ kind. >(b) that governments sometimes resort to >illegal means to keep themselves in power, or to enrich their >supporters. Why has that _ever_ been instituted and once instituted, tolerated -- Why didn't Ike just _admit_ that the russians were scaring the hell out of us, and deserved every bit of over flight they got. Was our _own_ behavior something less than pristine? Why tolerate a violent right wing government over a more peaceful and only slightly more _left_ one? >All this is obvious enough without conspiracies. It's much worse >in the third world. This is supposed to be America! Is it something _other_ than what it depicts itself to be? >And, interestingly, it used to be much worse >in the United States, generations ago. Few know that, though. Evidence of some kind of educational conspiracy? Perhaps. >Does anyone remember >political bosses in big American cities? How about the one in Suffolk county New York right now! >"Smoke-filled rooms" in >which political parties here decided on presidential candidates? You suggest that that has _disappeared_? No, just changed its form. The common woman _still_ has very little input into the process than to vote for who the the business community provides for her to vote for. > >"Robber barons" around the turn of the (last) century who >controlled congressmen, senators, and entire state legislatures? I think we can safely admit that _they_ have not disappeared, either. There are whole communities in the world suffering miserably at the hands of a business ethic gone mad outside the borders of the United States, and only slightly less mad inside it's borders. >My impression, after watching American politics for 40-odd years >and after much reading, is that politics and government are in >many ways -- in everything, I'd guess, that's not concerned with >foreign policy and the military -- more open than they used to >be. But certainly not as it _could_ be, assuming an honesty, a forthcoming attitude, or a respect now in such short supply. Hell -- we should be living in the asteroid belt by now -- a thriving collection of autonomous individuals combining into teams of much more capability and efficacy! >Does that mean the conspiracy has less power? No -- just _refined_ lo these many years! <g>. Even Lincoln said that as a result of the civil war our corporations were enthoned, and total power would fall to fewer and fewer hands until the republic was destroyed. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 BWW Media Alert 19990516 From: BufoCalvin@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:53:43 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:29:37 -0400 Subject: BWW Media Alert 19990516 Bufo Calvin P O Box 5231, Walnut Creek, CA 94596 Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com Website: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin">http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin </A> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/bufosweirdworld">Link to Amazon.com </A> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made to http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with strangers before you e-mail them something. If you forward this, please make sure it is clear that you are forwarding it). May 16, 1999 For those of you who responded to my questions about ads and rearranging the television listings, thank you. I'm happy to be add more information on web-cast radio shows on these topics. It is now becoming possible to have access to great shows that could formerly only be heard in certain geographical areas. As usual, let me know what you think at <A HREF="mailto: bufocalvin@aol.com">BufoCalvin@aol.com </A>. On to the listings: Times are generally Pacific. LIVE EVENTS (lectures, etc.) RADIO Eddie Middleton's very popular show in the South, Nightsearch, has a website at <A HREF="http://listen.to/nightsearch">http://listen.to/nightsearch<;/A>. Unfortunately, no streaming audio. Don Ecker, of UFO MAGAZINE, hosts STRANGE DAZE on the Liberty Works. It can be heard on streaming Real Audio at <A HREF="http://www.broadcast.com/radio/talk/lwrn">http://www.broadcast.com/radio /talk/lwrn </A>. Mike Jarmus, REALITY AND BEYOND, 7:00 PM Sundays, <A HREF="http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram">http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram </A>. Streaming audio available Sunday, May 16, 7:00 PM, THE ENTITY IN THE LIME GROVE (K. T. Frankovich) Next Sunday, May 23, 7:00 PM, UFOS, THE ALIEN AUTOPSY, & ROCK&ROLL (Reg Presley of the Troggs) ART BELL - DREAMLAND Currently, the most popular talk show on this area. <A HREF="http://www.artbell.com/">http://www.artbell.com/<;/A>. Live streaming audio (and video) available. JEFF RENSE - SIGHTINGS Quite simply, this is my favorite show on which to appear. Jeff is well-versed on the topics, but likes to let the guests speak. You can hear Real Audio of the show, and there are archives as well. Go to <A HREF="http://www.sightings.com/">http://www.sightings.com/<;/A> for more information. The show is on at 7:00 PM Pacific Monday through Saturday, and 8:00 PM Pacific on Sunday. You can hear it anywhere through your computer. To subscribe to the Jeff Rense Weekly E-news (which includes articles), e-mail (subject: Subscribe) <A HREF="mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net">mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net</A>. Monday, May 17, 7:00 PM, Jack Kasher, probably best known for work on NASA footage, on abduction Wednesday, May 19, 7:00 PM, Michael Lindemann, Weekly UFO/World report; Bevy Jaeger on remote viewing live and psychic detectives Thursday, May 20, 7:00 PM, Dr. Louis Turi on Nostradamus and divine astrology ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966731204/bufosweirdworld">Moon Power StarGuide 1999 (paperback) </A>) Friday, May 21, 7:00 PM, Dr. Shankuntala Modi, MD, on past lives as therapeutic tools ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1571740791/bufosweirdworld">Remar kable Healings (paperback) </A>) Saturday May 22, 7:00 PM, David John Oates Reverse Speech Show ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/094170520X/bufosweirdworld">Intro duction to Reverse Speech (audio) </A>) PAUL WILLIAMS & SCOTT CARR: UFO DESK This New York show has been around for years, but is now available on streaming audio. The website is <A HREF="http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html">http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ ufodesk.html </A>. It runs at 8:00 PM (Pacific) on Sundays. Sunday, May 16, 7:30, Stanton Friedman ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1569247412/bufosweirdworldA/">Top Secret/Majic </A>) and Jerome Clark ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578590701/bufosweirdworld">Unexp lained! (paperback) </A>) TELEVISION A&E (USA) Sunday, May 16, 11:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: SUPERSTITIONS: UNLUCKY 13 Next Sunday, May 23, 10:00 PM, ANCIENT MYSTERIES WITH LEONARD NIMOY: UFOS: THE FIRST ENCOUNTERS (ancient references to UFOs) Next Sunday, May 23, 11:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: UFOS VS. THE GOVERNMENT DISCOVERY CHANNEL (Canada) Tuesday, May 18, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), TRAVELERS: HAUNTED HAPPENINGS, SALEM, MASS. DISCOVERY CHANNEL (Europe) Sunday, May 16, 9:00 PM (GMT+1) (Dutch), THE UNINVITED (British UFOs) Sunday, May 16, 9:00 PM (GMT+1) (English), BEYOND THE TRUTH (same as UNINVITED above) Monday, May 17, 9:00 PM (GMT+1) (English), MYSTERIES OF THE UNEXPLAINED: POWERS OF THE PARANORMAL Tuesday, May 18, Midnight (GMT+1) (Dutch), SECRETS OF THE PSYCHICS (arch-Skeptic James "The Amazing" Randi debunks paranormal powers) Tuesday, May 18, Midnight (GMT+1) (English), SECRETS OF THE PSYCHICS (arch-Skeptic James "The Amazing" Randi debunks paranormal powers) DISCOVERY CHANNEL (AUSTRALIA) Sunday, May 16, 10:00 AM (time zone unknown), ALIEN OBSESSION THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (USA) Sunday,. May 16, 3:00 PM, INSIDE AREA 51 Next Friday, May 28, 8:00 PM, AMERICA'S HAUNTED HOUSES Next Friday, May 28, 11:00 PM, AMERICA'S HAUNTED HOUSES THE NASHVILLE NETWORK Next Tuesday, May 25, 9:30 AM, WOMAN'S DAY WITH PHYLLIS GEORGE (includes psychic Maria Papapetros) Next Tuesday, May 25, 2:30 PM, WOMAN'S DAY WITH PHYLLIS GEORGE (includes psychic Maria Papapetros) THE SCIENCE CHANNEL New schedule again, since March 29. Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE (don't know which one) Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays, 10:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays,6:00 PM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Tuesdays through Saturdays, 2:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 9:00 AM and 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 5:00 PM and 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Saturdays, OUT OF THIS WORLD all day long THE SCI-FI CHANNEL (US Feed) Tuesday, May 18, 11:00 AM. SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3011 (past lives; Montreal UFO; Japanese monster; psychic detective Wednesday, May 19, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3012 (lodge haunting; past lives; Florida UFOs; psychic detective; prophecies and fiction) Thursday, May 20, 11:00 AM. SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3013 (UK weirdness; aliens and evolution; premonitions) Friday, May 21, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS EPISODE #3014 (disinformation; psychics in Russia; crop circles; ghosts of the Oregon Trail) SPACE (Canada) Sunday, May 16, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), ANIMAL X (cattle mutilations; India's "killer wolves"; Canadian lake monsters) Sunday, May 16, 7:30 PM (time zone unknown), UFO FILES AND PARANORMAL PHENOMENA: MYSTERIES OF LIFE AND DEATH Monday, May 17, 7:30 AM (time zone unknown), MYSTERIOUS FORCES BEYOND: psychic detectives Tuesday, May 18, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), TRAVELERS: HAUNTED HAPPENINGS, SALEM, MASS. Sunday, May 23, 7:30 PM (time zone unknown), UFO FILES AND PARANORMAL PHENOMENA SUPER RTL (Europe) Tuesday, May 18, 5:05 PM (GMT+1), BOB MORANE (a kids' program that's doing something with UFOs) WTVS (Canada) Next Saturday, May 29, 3:00 PM (time zone unknown), PETS: PART OF THE FAMILY (includes a pet psychic) ___________________________ This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!" ____________________________ You can stop receiving this from me just by asking (note: it is commonly redistributed, and I can't control you getting it from those sources) by e-mail at BufoCalvin@aol.com. You can also subscribe or unsubscribe to Bufo's WEIRD WORLD Media Alert the same way. Also, please let me know if there is something in the media you think I should cover. Deadline is Tuesday, the week before. _____________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: "Bill Stockstill" <slick1ru2@email.msn.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:11:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:39:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:38:43 -0700 >From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> >To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >One of the finest ufologist in the USA was Dr. Hynek, and we >lament that the new generation, involved in the most ambiguous >aspects of the UFO phenomenon, such as abductions, sometimes >don't even reconize his name. <snip> I totally agree that Dr. Allen Hynek should not be forgotten. He did make a huge impact on giving credibility to Ufology, with CUFOS being his legacy. But what I can't stop wondering about is why did he not try and present these totally unexplainable cases to his fellow scientists while he was a consultant to the Air Force. Where would we be now if prior to the Colorado Investigation (Condon Report) he had presented all the data from the unexplained cases to the scientific community in the appropriate setting. Reading Forbidden Science, written by perhaps his closest friend and colleague Jacques Vallee, Hynek's reasoning is that he did not want to upset the Air Force by disclosing the quality unknown cases to the scientific community. His fear was that he would be denied further access to the data. >From the Wednesday, June 8, 1966 entry in Forbidden Science, Dr. James McDonald, professor of atmospheric physics at the University of Arizona was authorized to spend two days at Wright field (Blue Book Headquarters), requesting to see all cases attributed to "globular lightning". "He was amazed and horrified at what he saw: case after case that obviously had nothing to do with electrical discharges in the air". Next he asked to see the general files, "getting increasingly upset as he kept on reading". He realized the official explanations where "bull****". After reading the official files, later that day he confronted Hynek asking, "How could you remain silent so long?". Vallee jumped in on the side of Hynek, "If Allen had taken a strong position last year the Air Force would have dropped him as consultant and we wouldn't be here talking about the phenomenon". McDonald reply was, "I'm not talking about last year. Its in 1953 Allen should have spoken out!" This is burned in my mind. The data obviously was there and the official explanations were bogus. Yet, Hynek did not start talking about this until after Blue Book was dissolved. Most then probably thought him a disgruntled scientist, his multi-decade consultant job eliminated as the result of the Condon Report's recommendations. After accessing the Air Force data, McDonald spent much of the next 3 years studying UFOs. He spoke to the American Association for the Advancement of Science, 134th Meeting General Symposium in 1969 trying to convince them that the data on UFOs was being inadequately investigated and needed to be seriously studied. Yet, his words fell on deaf ears. He killed himself in the early 70s. Some attribute his suicide to the negative effect his interest in UFOs had on his career . Perhaps while we are remembering scientists, we should remember Dr. John McDonald. If he were the Air Force's consultant on UFOs, imagine where we would be now. Bill Stockstill Section Leader Abductions (yes, Abductions) UFO Community on MSN http://communities.msn.com/UFO
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Seven Steps to Hell From: Donald Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:02:50 -0300 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:43:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Seven Steps to Hell >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:01:56 -0400 >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Seven Steps to Hell >Here are two articles regarding the '66 Portage Pursuit. The >first article makes brief mention of a mysterious automobile >which had a strange triangular emblem w/lightning bolt on the >side of the vehicle [filled with radio equipment] that was >accompanied by the written phrase: "Seven Steps to Hell." >And has anything similar been reported elsewhere? >[this wouldn't seem normal for the '66 time-period/ or even today..?] >Thanks, >KENNY YOUNG >----- Very interesting case Kenny. This the one Spielberg based the police chase on in the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Seven Steps to Hell From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 99 11:57:30 PDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:45:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Seven Steps to Hell >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:01:56 -0400 >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Seven Steps to Hell Hi, Kenny, >Here are two articles regarding the '66 Portage Pursuit. The >first article makes brief mention of a mysterious automobile >which had a strange triangular emblem w/lightning bolt on the >side of the vehicle [filled with radio equipment] that was >accompanied by the written phrase: "Seven Steps to Hell." >And has anything similar been reported elsewhere? The allegedly myserious automobile is part of the folklore of the Portage County case, but it's no part of the factual aspect of this crucial incident. The only thorough investigation was conducted by Bill Weitzel for NICAP. Weitzel, who learned that the automobile's owner was quickly traced, actually examined the vehicle himself while it was still parked along 224. He wrote, "It had some tapes, a cheap Japanese transistor toy tape recorder with a tape of hillbilly music on it, some miscellaneous electrical gear, in the back seat. Trunk full of old tires." The "Seven Steps to Hell" insignia was not on the car, only in witness Dale Spaur's subsequent nightmares. Those looking for an in-depth treatment of the case are referred to my UFO Encylopedia, 2nd Ed., or The UFO Book. This is one of the great UFO events, but except for what I've written about it and a failed attempt to debunk it in an anti-UFO book, it has been inexplicably neglected in the literature. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Conspiracy, Russian-style From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:08:19 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:48:41 -0400 Subject: Conspiracy, Russian-style From the New York Times (New York edition), May 16, 1999, page 6 -- the Russian nationalist leader Vladimir V. Shirinovsky puts forth his own conspiracy theory: "It cannot be said that the country [he means Russia] was ruined in 1991 [when the Soviet Union fell]. That decision was made in 1717 in Paris. 280 years ago the West made a decision to destroy the Russian empire. Do you think Napoleon invaded Russia just for kicks? That Hitler attacked Russia, just like that? That Yugoslavia is being bombed just like that? The target is one -- the Russian empire, the Soviet Union; never mind that we are now a democratic country. They are moving closer and closer to the Russian borders." >From which we might conclude: (a) There are more conspiracies than we knew about -- look, here's another one! (b) Zhirinovsky is a nutball, but our own conspiracy theories are valid. (c) Zhirinovsky never said what the NY Times quoted. Since the Times is a well-known mouthpiece for the conspiracy, it made up this quote to discredit conspiracy theories. (d) It's all too easy to imagine conspiracies. Any of us (like Zhirinovsky, alas) can find "evidence" to support whatever conspiracy we go out looking for. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Lake Discovered on Mars From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:26:26 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:51:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net> >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:15:45 +0200 >Subject: Re: Lake Discovered on Mars >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >As to the "lake" on Mars, there may be places on Mars where >water in liquid form may exist .. e.g. at the bottom of deep >canyons/chasms where the atmospheric pressure may be much higher >than the surface pressure or where water is being "pumped out" >from underground .... subsurface ice melted by volcanic activity >or radioactive materials generating heat pumped out in the form >of geysers .... who knows, no-one's been there yet :) Anyway, >Vince DiPietro and Dr Martin have found (a while ago) a couple >of images from Viking taken 4 seconds apart that may show a >geyser or water spout. They may be found here : >http://www.lauralee.com/JPL.htm These are most likely pictures of the shadows of dust devils. Other images of Mars show apparent tracks of giant tornado-like storms across the surface. A dust devil apparently was caught in action when, between two frames of one of the Mars Viking Landers, it blew away one of the little piles of soil when had been scooped by the robot shovel-arm. I have seen similar dust devils two years ago from Kitt Peak, Arizona, site of the National Observatory. In early May, about noon, I could see, simultaneously, 8 or 9 dust devils in different directions in the Sonora Desert. The largest spanned the width of my thumb at arm's length and was probably 25 miles away (similar to the distance of Tucson, visible in another direction). Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:14:43 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:54:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:38:43 -0700 >From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> >To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >One of the finest ufologist in the USA was Dr. Hynek, and we >lament that the new generation, involved in the most ambiguous >aspects of the UFO phenomenon, such as abductions, sometimes >don't even reconize his name. >This forgetfulness makes us sad and mortifies us profoundly. Dr. >Hynek was not only an excellent astronomer by his own merits, >but when he began inquiring about the then so called Flying >Saucers, he was the first to maintain that the only way to >aproach the phenomenon was using the scientific method and for >that he established CUFOS (Center for UFO Studies) in 1973 with >the hope to attracting other profesionals with similar interest. <snip> I would like to add that I was fortunate to meet Allen and Mimi Hynek several times during the l980's. They also entertained me wonderfully in l983 during my first visit to the US and allowed me to live on mt own in their home in Evanston for a time while they were in Arizona. Such generosity of spirit for someone they barely knew was a thing I have never forgotten but was absolutely typical. Allen was an inspiration to me. It is not inappropriate to say that had I not been filled with joy to discover that there was a true scientist with such open mindedness, objectivity, humour and friendliness genuinely attacking the UFO mystery with principles 100% intact I would never have become deeply involved. There has never been anyone like Allen or anyone to replace him. I am pleased that under Mark and Jerry and the rest of the team that CUFOS is striving so hard to maintain the standards he set. Anyone who did not have the chance to know him is the poorer for that. But I am glad he is not around to see some of today's ufology. I fear he would be sad at some of the mercanary exploitation that goes on. Allen was far above all that. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: What Ever Happened To... From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:24:16 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:57:20 -0400 Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To... >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:58:38 +0100 >To: updates@globalserve.com >From: Ian Read <i.read@netcom.co.uk> >Subject: What Ever Happened To... >Does anyone know what happened to the UK magazine 'UFO Reality'? >Also, does anyone know where I can contact the Yorkshire based >'Independent UFO Network'? >Ian Read >i.read@netcom.co.uk Hi. The IUN has just started an excellent web site at www.iun.org/index2.htm Or you can contact Andy Roberts, editor of IUN publications on brigantia@compuserve.com Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: What Ever Happened To... From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:33:18 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:19:19 -0400 Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To... >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:58:38 +0100 >To: updates@globalserve.com >From: Ian Read <i.read@netcom.co.uk> >Subject: What Ever Happened To... >Does anyone know what happened to the UK magazine 'UFO Reality'? >Also, does anyone know where I can contact the Yorkshire based >'Independent UFO Network'? Hi Ian, The answer to your question is simple. UFO Reality publishing about a year or so ago. But do watch out for Jon Kings new magazine "Odyssey" which will be on sale in September. I couldn't tell you what the format will be, but will more than likely contain a UFO aspect. Regards, Roy.. Find The Lost Haven at: http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale/index.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 New OVNIs from Mexico From: Dan Geib <geibdan@qtm.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:36:12 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:03:36 -0400 Subject: New OVNIs from Mexico Just one year ago I received images from inside Mexico of unusual flying objects I have just received more , almost exaclty one year later Interestin aint it? Anyway, if interested, they are in the 'Want to See a UFO?" Section at UFO Folklore ! http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/framemst.html Dan's Magic in Michigan http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/magician
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:12:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >>for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >>metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >>tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >>sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. > >A wholly unnecessary explanation, unless you believe that >wrongdoing is by definition evidence of conspiracy, presumably >orchestrated by Satan himself. Since none of us is without sin, >I suppose, then, we are all agents of the conspiracy. 1). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy involved with the CIA conducting mind control experiments under MK-Ultra, and Monarch? Is it further your position that Cathy O'Brien suffered no harm, and only imagined what was done to her? 2). Is it your position there was no conspiracy involved with the US Govt bringing over thousands of Nazi's to this country under Project Paperclip? Were the People of the United States ever told about this? Is this common knowledge, and if so, what specific published books can you refer to? Was this legal? Was there any conspiracy with any Nazi's being involved with mind control experiments? 3). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, that it was the act of _one_ lone gunman? If so, why were the records sealed until well into the next century? 4). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists when the Bilderbergers meet each year, in secret, with no press coverage allowed? 5). Is it your position that there is no conspiracy exists with the chemical spraying of contrails all across this country and the subsequent outbreak of illnesses associated with this spraying, and the FAA dismissing the jelly-like substance as "corn meal" ? 6). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy exists when the Clinton Admin was informed months ago about Chinese spies at Los Alamos, and did nothing to stop it? 7). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists in the over-60 mysterious deaths ruled as "suicide" involving Clinton, over the last few years? 8). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists with the CIA smuggling drugs into this country? That Chip Tatum is a liar, Mena never happenned and three boys deaths who witnessed a drug drop at Mena were ruled a "suicide" ? 9). Is it your position that no evidence of conspiracy exists that Web Hubble ever sold an entire AT&T run of encrypted phone technology to the Chinese Communists, while Janet Reno's Just Us dept was trying to foist the Clipper Chip on U.S. citizens? 10). Is it _your_ position that _no_ conspiracy of coverup exists in regards to the govt position on UFOs? Is it your firm position that there's no blood in these turnips either and that anyone who suggests otherwise is likewise a "bigot" ? Please do elucidate, Jerome. Don -- "In a age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Star Wars-Hype From: Werner Walter <113236.1604@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:32:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: Star Wars-Hype Hello Listmembers, In this days the USA will make the cosmic experience with the prequel of Star Wars. I=B4m a SW-fan in Germany and must wait until end of August for seeing this blockbuster-movie in the theaters here. But I=B4m interessting to read all about this matter and I think few members on this list being are SW-enthusiasts. Can anyone send me updates in the next few days of newspaper-articles etc with known URLs??? Werner W.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:28:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >>I did not read anything in Jeff Rense's post suggesting that he >>favors book-burning. That's simply unfair, and I think you owe >>him an apology. >Clever dodge sir -- when it was _your_ attitude that I took >exception to. I rest my case. I had given our confused correspondent the benefit of the doubt, thinking that he could not really mean what he seemed to be saying. I had forgotten, momentarily, that he is, after all, a conspiracy theorist, through whose eyes the most innocent statements and actions take on the most cosmically sinister overtones. As a First Amendent absolutist, I can only marvel at our correspondent's effort to turn me into a bookburner -- not, one images, the first time he has wildly misread or misrepresented someone or something. What I was urging, as all non-conspiracist readers easily figured out, was that Jeff Rense exercise his position as editor of a website to keep the discourse rational. There is, after all, no shortage of conspiracist and/or racist websites, and anybody who is so inclined can go to one of them and rant and rave to his heart's content. Such is the price we pay for free expression. But none of us, including us First Amendment absolutists, is obligated to _encourage_ such expression, any more than the editor of a magazine (and I have edited magazines most of my adult life) is obligated to publish every manuscript offered to him. Evidently, so lost is our correspondent in conspiracist fears and fantasies that he can't tell the difference between an editor and a bookburner. Sad but, of course, revealing. >>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>conspiracy. >>Precisely. >Then I suggest your delusion is your own, sir, contributory to our >ufological malaise, and unfortunate. The "ufological malaise," of course, is not that ufology's rational members, like all sensible people, reject conspiracy theories, but that we have in our midst so many irrational types who embrace them. Ufology is already a fringe enterprise. Conspiracy theorists and other chronically frightened persons who have grabbed hold of the UFO phenomenon to advance their own misguided agendas only make UFO study look even more disreputable. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd even speculate that conspiracy theorists are by their very presence serving conspiratorial ends. After all, if you want to discourage serious attention to the UFO question, why not make it look as if ufology is riddled with crackpots? >>As documented in >>insightful studies of conspiracy theory by the likes of George >>Johnson, Daniel Pipes, Richard Hofstadter, and others, >>conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial bigotry historically are so >>entwined as to be indistinguishable. >Perhaps, but appeals to authority, or expecting a jump on a band >wagon of bookburning in deference to 'experts' does not address >the take I have on our shared interest. As an _individual_ not >overly impressed by title, or reputation, and able to "think and >wait" in my own right -- I take issue with your haughty >dismissal to defer to the traditions of others, and insist that >I make up my own mind. In other words, you've never read or, I suspect, even heard of mainstream scholarship on the history and pathology of conspiracy theory. No surprise here. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Firmage: New Writing From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:25:55 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:31:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Firmage: New Writing >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:14:10 -0700 >From: Dan <geibdan@qtm.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Firmage: New Writing >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:58:57 -0700 (PDT) >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Joe Firmage <thekairos@yahoo.com> >>Subject: Firmage: New Writing >>Joe Firmage here. It has been some time since I last broadcast a >>message to the visitors to my book's Web site >>(www.TheWordIsTruth.org), and have just now had time to organize >>my thoughts following the maelstrom of activity. The time I have >>available for writing is stretched among the various economic >>demands on my schedule, integrating a stream of important new >>knowledge discovered in an ongoing quest of research, and >>preparing organizational systems capable of supporting a broader >>set of initiatives on a perpetual basis. >Isn't it sad? Yes -- your lack of toleration, dearth of pioneer spirit, and knee-jerk dismissal, respectfully, _is_ distressing. >One more guy with a story but no more facts than anyone else :o( How can you decry a lack of "facts" when there is no real , even remote, mainstream search for the facts you, not surprisingly, have noticed a conspicuous absence of? Give this _new_ guy with a few extra dollars a chance -- huh? >So what else is new ? Certainly nothing in _your_ contribution, sir. All I hear between _your_ lines is that we are all involved in some colossal waste of time. I know that _can't_ be the correct response just looking _up_ into a night sky. I expressed the same kind of frustration that you just did in this post to Michael Lindemann <sp>, several years ago -- he told me that -- "yes, much of it _is_ fake, but _some_ of it is not." That's what continues to drive MY passion. Some of it is _not_. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Seti@home From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:34:13 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:42:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Seti@home >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:51:13 -0400 >From: Scott Caput <scaput@shadow.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Seti@home >>From: Brian Straight <briansxx@gte.net> >>To: <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Seti@home >>Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:25:02 -0500 >>FYI >>The seti@home software for windows is now available for download >>at the seti@home site: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ (it's >>not supposed to be ready until Monday, so get a jump on others). >>I downloaded last night and started analysing my first data set. >>This thing is, as my daughter would say, "way cool!" >I too have downloaded the software and am analyzing my first >data set. It is WAY cool, and I was surprised at the minimal >effect that the extra processor load had on my system. You don't >even know it's there. I am running a P2 233MHZ MMX processor >with 130 MB ram. This is a great opportunity for Joe public to >be part of something that could change our civilization as we >know it. seti@home say's that if a signal is found, they will >give credit to the PC that discovered it. Neat! Well folks, add another name to those of you running the seti@home software. I too am in the process of running my first program. I take it this is a test program to see how well our systems function. Bring them on...<g> REgards, Mike Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ ICQ#:7508455 BBS: (270) 683-3026 Fax: (270) 686-7394 Home: (270) 683-6811 ---
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:09:46 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:44:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:14:43 +0100 <snip> >But I am glad he [Hynek] is not around to see some of today's >ufology. I fear he would be sad at some of the mercanary >exploitation that goes on. Allen was far above all that. >Jenny Randles Jenny, I suppose "mercanary" would be the buying and selling of canaries? And you're right -- Allen was above all that. So much so that he sold the rights to what became "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" -- one of the highest grossing movies of all time -- for a miserable pittance and a song. ($10,000 if memory serves.) Too bad. CUFOS could have used the extra money. Now more than ever. Are you aware that they're in severe financial difficulties and may not survive the millennium? So was he above it -- or did he simply lack the good sense to hire an agent or business manager? And if he was really above it, then why accept a cameo role in the movie? Look, I liked Allen as a person, too, but let's not turn the man into some sort of beknighted UFO saint he wasn't. By some accounts, he came to like the microphone and camera a wee bit too much in his later years -- and his own UFO research suffered accordingly. He did much, just as he left much undone, an epitaph I'm sure most of us would be happy to share. Let's leave it at that. Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:07:36 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:50:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies Jerry Clark had written: >>As documented in >>insightful studies of conspiracy theory by the likes of George >>Johnson, Daniel Pipes, Richard Hofstadter, and others, >>conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial bigotry historically are so >>entwined as to be indistinguishable. To which Alfred Lehmberg replied: >Perhaps, but appeals to authority, or expecting a jump on a band >wagon of bookburning in deference to 'experts' does not address >the take I have on our shared interest. As an _individual_ not >overly impressed by title, or reputation, and able to "think and >wait" in my own right -- I take issue with your haughty >dismissal to defer to the traditions of others, and insist that >I make up my own mind. <snips> >Like evolution, sir, conspiracy is a _fact_. The >"theory" is how either of those things works themselves out. I >suggest you reassess your _own_ frail innocence. In order to make up our minds with any credibility, we need to start with facts. That's the point of Jerry's citations. He's not appealing to authority. He's telling us where he gets his information, so we can assess it ourselves. Lehmberg rejects Jerry's sources. Which leads me to ask the following questions: 1. Has Lehmberg read the books Jerry refers to? And if he hasn't, or doesn't otherwise know what they say, how can he be so sure they can't tell him anything he needs to know? 3. Where does he get his own information? He's certain there's a conspiracy (of what kind, he doesn't say). How does he know that? What _specific_ sources can he give us, so we can make up our own minds whether -- given the same information he has -- we'd come to the same conclusion? Not enough people make up their own minds, I agree. And yet, once we throw off whatever's stopping us from thinking for ourselves, making up our own minds isn't much of an achievement. A four year-old can do it. People who've done it call talk shows all day long, with no idea what they're talking about. What's geniunely rare, I fear, are people who make up their minds on the basis of solid information. Which is why most of us, faced with someone who has an idea that's new, don't ask, "Did you come to that opinion by yourself?" Instead, we ask, "Why do you think that?" Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Personal Attacks, Humor And "S" In Scarlet From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:53:04 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:56:07 -0400 Subject: Personal Attacks, Humor And "S" In Scarlet An interesting set of subjects, all (in my opinion) related one to the other. The issue of abduction is expectedly, an emotional one. First, if one believes that the experiencer believes he or she has had an experience, then the manner in which criticism of the phenom is applied should be applied with tact and sensitivity. "Personal attack" can be felt even when the aggressor feels honestly, that no offense or attack was intended. It's only natural. Unfortunately, another element in the mix of emotions is "strong feelings or beliefs!" When mixed with an opposite belief, nothing but a conflagration can result. On the one hand we have crazy people such as me, who believe strongly than something which can only be explained by the abduction experience has occurred, must face his or her opposite, who believes strongly in the opposite opinion by virtue of "scientific" method, lack of hard evidence, et al. It' like mixing a lit match will gasoline. Then there is the subject of (woof) "satire!" The "S" word! Some satirists like to attack not the opinion or belief, but the arguments resulting; arguments (debates) which often reach absurdities far, far more harebrained than the actual belief! Looking at the silly satire allows one to laugh a bit while taking a second look at the entire subject under discussion. It works, but only with those who maintain a sense. Just "SENSE" will do. It doesn't have to be a sense of anything, including humor. Common sense tells us that laughing is better than crying, better than arguing ad nauseum, better than fun with your clothes off or Gripple in excess, even. And so, if Errol Bruce Kanappy allows some of this "satire" on his list, then it must have "some" merit, eh? And if the response off list is positive and it almost always is, then the only thing I can say to you is phooie! Lighten up and stick that anger in your pocket. It'll look like you've got something really big in your pants which can and often does, make a guy feel good again. Better than Pepto Bismol. Better than Prilosec. And yes, better even than Gripple. Feel free, please, to laugh at me, with me, to me. But please, just laugh, OK? Last point. It was at one time suggested that in order to improve one's credibility on this list, that each poster person provide a CV... so we can all look at it and go, "Oooooh. PhD's, MBA's and look at those books will ya? He (she or it) MUST be a very credible person. I will immediately accept his (her's or it's) opinion (or reject it) accordingly. It was additionally, recently suggested that somehow the post be tagged, perhaps with a "scarlet S" for "SATIRE" at the top, so that one would not have to read the thing. I think that's such a great idea that I started doing it on this post. However, I might actually have something great to say and you won't read it because you have no sense.... uh, of humor. Good. Any knowledge garnered by someone with no sense ... of humor _or_ Homer, doesn't need the warning, "Caution, this might make you laugh." And God forbid you should unpuff yourselves long enough to laugh! Shoot, it can be bad for you. Might make you less believable or something. I have TWO PhD's, a masters in EE and assorted other degrees, not even counting the ones' Doctor Gesundt conferred upon me. Cheeses, aren't you impressed? If you are, then you have a serious problem, Pal. You need to take up knitting, or basketweaving, but hell, give up anything as serious as serious debating, research or other stuff. It'll give you gas. And then, not only will your pants not bulge, but you are gonna be persona non grata wherever people hang out. Dr., Dr. James S. Mortellaro, AKA, Gesundt
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Firmage: New Writing From: Joe Murgia <Ufojoe1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:07:22 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:58:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Firmage: New Writing >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:14:10 -0700 >From: Dan <geibdan@qtm.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Firmage: New Writing >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:58:57 -0700 (PDT) >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Joe Firmage <thekairos@yahoo.com> >>Subject: Firmage: New Writing >>Joe Firmage here. It has been some time since I last broadcast a >>message to the visitors to my book's Web site >>(www.TheWordIsTruth.org), and have just now had time to organize >>my thoughts following the maelstrom of activity. The time I have >>available for writing is stretched among the various economic >>demands on my schedule, integrating a stream of important new >>knowledge discovered in an ongoing quest of research, and >>preparing organizational systems capable of supporting a broader >>set of initiatives on a perpetual basis. geibdan@qtm.net wrote: >Isn't it sad? >One more guy with a story but no more facts than anyone else :o( >So what else is new ? Sad? No, I think it's great that somebody with so much to lose (money and reputation) has taking the time to try to get some answers to this mystery. Does Firmage have all the answers? No, but he is at least trying and putting his money on the line. His ad in the USA Today earlier this year was priceless. Did you see it? People may not like his style or the way he presents his material but that's life. Give the guy some credit. You don't have to like somebody to appreciate their effort. He's on our side. This is why we get nowhere with the UFO puzzle. Too many people spend too much time pointing out the negative instead of searching for the positive. With Firmage, there's lots of positives to find. Joe in Tampa
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:01:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:03:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:10:27 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Couched in the manner of your presentation, sir, the rational >person would be reluctant to continue down the slippery slope >that you depict. But, it _would_ appear to seem that it _may_ be >as you suggest (up your debating sleeve), that knee jerk >dismissal of conspiracy _is_ irrational. Knee-jerk thinking is not terribly rational, no matter what it's about. But who, exactly, is dismissing conspiracy with a jerk of the knee? >Not _just_ government, Mr. S. -- big business (including their >doctors, lawyers, and policemen), the spawner of the government >you allude to. Now we have a distinction to make -- between conspiracies and simple dominance of government by the powerful, which is not exactly news. Well over 100 years ago, Marx said that the government, in capitalist societies, was "the executive committee of the ruling class." But even he -- and let me state, so as not to be criticized for anything I'm not, that my politics are quite left; I'm quite sympathetic to Marx -- never said this executive committee had any sort of formal organization. He was speaking metaphorically. I used to make jokes (around 20 years ago) about what a real conspiracy would be like. The "executive committee" would have formal sessions. "Ladies and gentlemen, we've now settled the course of the stock market for the next year, and determined which team will win the World Series. Now may I ask Mr. Leonard Bernstein to outline his plans for classical music?" That -- or something like that (jokes about the world series aside) -- is what I've thought conspiracy theories allege. Which is a _very_ different thing from mere haphazard domination by the rich and powerful. >>It's not exactly news that (a) governments >>have perfectly normal reasons for hiding what they do, ranging >>from genuine issues of security to disreputable attempts to >>cover their asses, and >A priveledge very likely abused horrifically, and without >oversite of _any_ kind. Really? No oversight at all? Then how do we know about government scandals? >>(b) that governments sometimes resort to >>illegal means to keep themselves in power, or to enrich their >>supporters. >Why has that _ever_ been instituted and once instituted, tolerated >-- Why didn't Ike just _admit_ that the russians were scaring >the hell out of us, and deserved every bit of over flight they >got. Was our _own_ behavior something less than pristine? Why >tolerate a violent right wing government over a more peaceful >and only slightly more _left_ one? Good points, all of them, but hardly proof of any conspiracy. The mere fact that governments lie and cover up doesn't prove that there's a conspiracy. >>All this is obvious enough without conspiracies. It's much worse >>in the third world. >This is supposed to be America! Is it something _other_ than >what it depicts itself to be? Of course it is! This is news? >>And, interestingly, it used to be much worse >>in the United States, generations ago. >Few know that, though. Evidence of some kind of educational >conspiracy? >Perhaps. Hardly. Few people know much, in any detail, about history of any kind. The information, in any case, is hidden in plain sight. You don't have to read deep in scholarly historical studies to learn, for instance, that published budgets for cities and states in the US are relatively new (allowing all kinds of possibilities for corrupt spending), that police corruption in New York City used to be more the norm than the exception (I'm talking about the 1920s, not the more recent pre-Serpico era), or that the press used to support government in America far more uncritically than it does now. The mere fact that something isn't known doesn't prove or even suggest a conspiracy. >>Does anyone remember >>political bosses in big American cities? >How about the one in Suffolk county New York right now! Suffolk County's Republican party bosses have been widely written about. One of their main MO's (as reported widely in the New York press in the '80s) was to require all employees of county government to make donations to the Republican party. One reason this got reported, however, was that it's relatively rare these days. Two generations ago, most big cities were controlled by political bosses affiliated with the Democratic party. Mayor Daley of Chicago was the most notorious, though it's worth noting that often these bosses didn't hold office. They'd get jobs for working-class citizens, and perform other public services -- the understanding being that the citizens helped would vote the straight democratic ticket. The election results were partly fabricated, in any case, with many stories circulating about people voting more than once, or dead people being retained on the election rolls. These bosses exercised fairly iron control over the political apparatus in their cities. They could dictate who'd be the Democratic candidate for mayor, and sometimes even for governor of their states. Once elected, these politicians did what the bosses wanted. But those days are long gone. I remember vividly when Ed Koch, later to be mayor of New York, overthrew the last remaining New York political boss, Carmine di Sapio. I wouldn't claim there's much more small-d democracy in New York than there used to be (in the sense of direct control by the citizens), but government is conducted much, _much_ more openly than it used to be. To cite just one vivid change: You won't be beaten by thugs, or, in extreme cases, even killed if you speak up strongly against the party in power. >>"Smoke-filled rooms" in >>which political parties here decided on presidential candidates? >You suggest that that has _disappeared_? No, just changed its >form. The common woman _still_ has very little input into the >process than to vote for who the the business community provides >for her to vote for. There are many business communities, and many of them don't think they've got the ideal candidates, either. Where, for instance, is the candidate calling for an end to the trade embargo with Cuba, something that many US corporations dearly want to see (so they can join European and Asian companies in doing Cuban business)? Business control of politics and candidates is fairly haphazard. And one decisive change has been the role of presidential nominating conventions. A generation ago, nominations were actually decided there. Not any more -- the extensive primary system more or less guarantees that by the time a convention starts, one candidate will have locked up enough votes to win. That, anyway, has been what's happened for several elections now. The old days were very different. Remember, we're talking here about evidence for conspiracy, not the more general notion that the people of the US don't have much control of their government. When political conventions still had power, a few political bosses could lock themselves up in that classic "smoke-filled room," and decide who should be nominated. They'd conspire, in other words. Before the 1952 elections, the moderate Northeast bankers and Wall Street executives who mostly controlled the Republican party were able to persuade Dwight Eisenhower to run as a Republican, and then were able to get him the nomination (despite strong opposite from conservatives who supported Robert Taft, the candidate of the midwest and the west, the areas which now, along with the south, have supplanted the Northeast moderates from their pre-eminent position in the party, proof right there that the thing isn't run as a steel-tight conpsiracy). Nowadays, no group of bankers could do that. They'd have to bankroll their candidate through all the primaries, and if the voters didn't like him, they'd lose. Not fully democratic, I'll grant, but much more open than things used to be. >>"Robber barons" around the turn of the (last) century who >>controlled congressmen, senators, and entire state legislatures? >I think we can safely admit that _they_ have not disappeared, >either. There are whole communities in the world suffering >miserably at the hands of a business ethic gone mad outside the >borders of the United States, and only slightly less mad inside >it's borders. But of course they've disappeared. They've been replaced by far more impersonal corporations, which do their dirty work far less systematically. In the old days, you really could say that John D. Rockefeller conspired to put his competitors out of business. No longer. >>My impression, after watching American politics for 40-odd years >>and after much reading, is that politics and government are in >>many ways -- in everything, I'd guess, that's not concerned with >>foreign policy and the military -- more open than they used to >>be. >But certainly not as it _could_ be, assuming an honesty, a >forthcoming attitude, or a respect now in such short supply. >Hell -- we should be living in the asteroid belt by now -- a >thriving collection of autonomous individuals combining into >teams of much more capability and efficacy! Sure. But that doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. To repeat the point I've been trying to make: If the world is really run by a small conspiratorial group, they've messed up badly by making things more open and less conspiratorial than they used to be. That, at least to me, suggests that the conspiracy probably doesn't exist. >>Does that mean the conspiracy has less power? >No -- just _refined_ lo these many years! <g>. Even Lincoln said >that as a result of the civil war our corporations were >enthoned, and total power would fall to fewer and fewer hands >until the republic was destroyed. Sure, and around 1945 Theodor Adorno, the left-wing German philosopher, then living in the US, said that corporate control had spread to every nook and cranny of society, and couldn't be increased any further. But what does either quote prove? Besides, corporate power is not the same thing as a conspiracy. To my mind, there's only a conspiracy if you can prove that corporations make detailed plans together and cooperate in carrying them out -- and that, I think, can pretty well be disproved simply by reading the business section of any good newspaper. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:22:09 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:10:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Conspiracy, Russian-style >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:08:19 -0400 >>From the New York Times (New York edition), May 16, 1999, page >6 -- the Russian nationalist leader Vladimir V. Shirinovsky puts >forth his own conspiracy theory: I had to laugh out loud Mr. S. -- This was _so_ abstruse and obscure, and never really addresses the sensibilities of so many college graduates regarding recent polls suggesting widespread concern that the UFO/conspiracy conundrum _is_ real. Additionally, there is huge concern documented that government has _knowledge_ of it that it's not forthcoming with -- for suspect *reasons*. I am confused that you discount the potential for a huge conspiracy, when there is such power and money involved with the mechanism of it, _and_ it's *cousins* abound! Don't you think an institution that is willing to lie and conspire over a few groped females in the "tail hook" affair is capable of doing everything it _can_ to cover up UFO's and anomalous events perhaps pointing to all manner of paradigms and technologies inconvenient to self-isolated money men? (I'm reminded of Tesla here) >"It cannot be said that the country [he means Russia] was ruined >in 1991 [when the Soviet Union fell]. That decision was made in >1717 in Paris. 280 years ago the West made a decision to destroy >the Russian empire. Do you think Napoleon invaded Russia just >for kicks? That Hitler attacked Russia, just like that? That >Yugoslavia is being bombed just like that? The target is one -- >the Russian empire, the Soviet Union; never mind that we are now >a democratic country. They are moving closer and closer to the >Russian borders." Hey Mr. S. -- (with respect) you get _your_ ass kicked for a thousand years of huns, mongols, norsemen, chinese, and Japanese and Viet Namese-- and I think healthy concern would be pounded into _your_ rational bones, too. It makes all the _following_ conclusions moot. They ain't us. >>From which we might conclude: Nada -- sir! Just circumstantial ad hominem, Argumentum ad Ignorantium (no proof of 'spiracy so no 'spiracy). A little bit of Argumentum ad Populum (Real thinkers don't believe in conspiracy, be a real thinker). A little Argumentum ad Vericundiam with you standing in nicely as an authority. Good stuff -- convincing as hell and no less fallacial. >(a) There are more conspiracies than we knew about -- look, >here's another one! Pretty valid when some homework is done and a discovery occurs. Gary Webb has recently completed a book called "Dark Alliance" that outlines a "knowing" link in the interests of weapons makers, cocaine producers, the CIA/ DEA, drug dealers, millions of dollars, and Ollie North (looks _wonderful_ on television, doesn't he?). Together, they created among other abominations the scourge of automatic weapons and crack cocaine that has tormented this nation since Iran-Contra. Now this might be evidence of conspiracy that spits in the readers eye! >(b) Zhirinovsky is a nutball, but our own conspiracy theories >are valid. I've always been fond of saying that where there is threat, there is no paranoia. The very real fear I have of conspiracy is not paranoid delusion. There is obvious threat. The threat lives and breathes in the fertile ground of justice to the highest bidder -- something that occurs in this country with alarming frequency. There is threat in the canted playing field of our class culture fomenting all the hatred and violence in our high schools. There is threat in huge black arms of a wealthy government beyond even the most casual oversite. There is threat in a world close to ecological meltdown brought about by smothering blandishments of corporate business leaders taking the the short sighted capitalist raider view. And I'm not talking politics. I don't _believe_ in it. >(c) Zhirinovsky never said what the NY Times quoted. Since the >Times is a well-known mouthpiece for the conspiracy, it made up >this quote to discredit conspiracy theories. Now this was a cheap shot -- _and_ a suggestion that the paper was above reproach -- AND a further intimation that there is _no_ conspiracy. News papers have had the potential to be crookedly misleading ever since Charles Foster Kane (I mean Randolph Hearst) and before <g>. Perhaps I document my ignorance of newspapers, but isn't that the rag that prints only "news that's fit to print." Give me, rather, the news that _fits_ -- give me ALL the news. We don't get any news -- we get a year of spooge stains and right wing posturing. >(d) It's all too easy to imagine conspiracies. Any of us (like >Zhirinovsky, alas . . .And Who, Mr. S, had _every_ encouragement and authorization to see more conspiracy than he probably did! >) can find "evidence" to support whatever >conspiracy we go out looking for. None of which discounts, or begins to allay _my_ fear regarding ubiquitous conspiracy. I am not getting the usual warm and fuzzy when I read your stuff this time Mr. S. Almost like Phil Klass or "Darth Twitcher" has taken you _over_ somehow <g>. When Errol bounces me off the list -- I'll know they've gotten to _him_ too. <g>. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:23:33 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:19:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies <large snip> Don, Are you merely ranting or venting, or is it your contention that Project Paper Clip, MK-Ultra, the Kennedy assassination, and the government UFO cover up, etc. are somehow connected by some vast umbrella conspiracy? If so, I'm afraid there's no hope for you. BTW, how did you come to hear about MK-Ultra? It couldn't have been because there was a book published in this country about it (way back in 1980), based on recovered government documents, named "In Search of the Manchurian Candidate," could it? Hey, some conspiracy that, that it couldn't even cover itself up. How did you hear about Project Paper Clip, a second gunman in Dallas, MJ-12, 60 Clinton-induced "suicides," and the rest of your conspiracies? Some conspiracies, eh, considering that the word is now so out and about. Couldn't possibly be because you reside in a democracy with a free press, could it? Yes, Don, all sorts of conspiracies, lies, and frauds, corporate, personal, institutional, government and otherwise, take place every day of the year. Get used to it. It's something called human nature. We've also got conspiracies afoot to clean up the air, ban land mines, save what's left of the world's rain forests, and go to Mars. But I suppose that's small potatoes and comfort to one who sees nasty little conspiracies everywhere. Why don't you hotfoot it over to Kosovo, where NATO is presently engaged in a 19-nation consipracy to reverse Slobidan Milosivec's policy of ethnic cleansing? Or are they there to set up a One World government (conspiracy #11) and to detract attention from MJ-12 and who _really_ killed Kennedy? Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:32:52 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:23:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >From: Bill Stockstill <slick1ru2@email.msn.com> >To: <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:11:00 -0400 >I totally agree that Dr. Allen Hynek should not be forgotten. He >did make a huge impact on giving credibility to Ufology, with >CUFOS being his legacy. But what I can't stop wondering about is >why did he not try and present these totally unexplainable cases >to his fellow scientists while he was a consultant to the Air >Force. Where would we be now if prior to the Colorado >Investigation (Condon Report) he had presented all the data from >the unexplained cases to the scientific community in the >appropriate setting. Quite simply, prior to Hynek leaving his position as civilian consultant to Project Blue Book, Hynek was a "company man." He incurred the wrath of Dr. James McDonald because of his timid stance with numerous Air Force explanations, which people like McDonald knew to be hogwash. Hynek was receiving about $5,000.00 per year from the Air Force, which was no small change in the 60's. Even years later after Hynek "switched sides" he was timid and went out of his way to not make waves. As an example, during the Hudson Valley sightings events, prior to his death, Hynek would not entertain allowing Phil Imbrogno or Pratt to release some of the more bizarre information they were collecting during their long investigation. A lot of people think Hynek was a great investigator, and he may have been a fine astronomer, but I think he did a disservice to overall UFO research. I know a lot of people will take umbrage at this, but if pushed I will give some damning examples. >Perhaps while we are remembering scientists, we should remember >Dr. John McDonald. If he were the Air Force's consultant on >UFOs, imagine where we would be now. >Bill Stockstill >Section Leader >Abductions (yes, Abductions) >UFO Community on MSN >http://communities.msn.com/UFO Hello Bill. Actually that is Dr. James McDonald. Now there was a truely great man, and was viciously attacked for his open scientific courage. -- Don Ecker http://www.ufomag.com http://libertyworksradio.com Heading Toward the Millennium!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:54:52 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:26:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies <snip> >2). Is it your position there was no conspiracy involved with >the US Govt bringing over thousands of Nazi's to this country >under Project Paperclip? Were the People of the United States >ever told about this? Is this common knowledge, and if so, what >specific published books can you refer to? Was this legal? Was >there any conspiracy with any Nazi's being involved with mind >control experiments? <snip> >Don Allen Don, It took me about 45 seconds to log on to www.amazon.com, enter Paperclip as the search word and come up with the following, all currently for sale: 1) The Paperclip Conspiracy by Tom Bower 2) Project Paperclip by Clarence G. Lasby 3) Secret Agenda: The US Government, Nazi Scientists and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990 by Linda Hunt. (The first two titles also had subtitles, but I deleted them for simplicity's sake. It's evident, though, that all three refer to THE Project Paperclip.) Yup, must be some vast conspiracy-cover up in effect here! The American people sure enough aren't being told the truth! And ain't no way you can buy or read a book about Project Paperclip in this conspiracy-confounded country, no sirree!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 Re: Trent Obituaries? From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:29:25 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:05:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Trent Obituaries? >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:52:24 EDT >Subject: Trent Obituaries? >To: updates@globalserve.net >>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:00:55 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Happy Trentaversary >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> <snip> >>(Mrs. Trent died at age 71 in August of 1997 and Mr. >>Trent at age 80 in February, 1998). >>These were two of the "most famous" people on earth, certainly >>with regard to UFO history. >>Yet, their obituaries say nothing about what made them known >>around the world.. >Does anyone know who wrote the obituary furnished to the >newspapers? Was it a family member, the funeral home or someone >else? Why was there no mention of the photo incident?> Don't know who wrote the obituaries. Look like very basic "boiler plate" obits. Probably newspaper staff wrote based on info supplied by family. No mention of photo incident.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 17 The Millennium Project News May 17, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP/CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:46:42 -0800 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:14:23 -0400 Subject: The Millennium Project News May 17, 1999 THE MILLENNIUM PROJECT NEWS (formerly The Millennium Report) News and Updates from The Millennium Project May 17, 1999 _____________________________ WEEKLY BRIEFING: In the news this week, a review report from the first annnual Intruders Foundation abduction conference and a forensic reconstruction of the mystery "Starchild" skull. DNA testing results are still pending. Plus, the latest crop circle updates from England (a dozen reports as of this update), the weekly UFO update from George Filer (UFO Roundup still apparently on hiatus) and news from Mars regarding the discovery of a controversial possible second "face" as well as a "lake" and other evidence that liquid water may be possible there under the right conditions. Also reports on antimatter propulsion, SETI@Home software for your home computer, more asteroids discovered in the inner solar system and government / media disinformation in the war in Yugoslavia. In Special Research Projects, how the Canadian health and food service sectors are still lagging behind with Y2K preparations, updates on the mystery contrails (or chemtrails), with new reports from Canada and the US and another radar ring anomaly over Alabama. The next presentation for The Millennium Forum is the Fields of Dreams crop circle lecture for June 21 in Vancouver, BC, at the Barclay Manor heritage house by yours truly (a joint presentation between TMP and Circles Phenomenon Research Canada). Also, this e-mail update has changed names, from The Millennium Report to The Millennium Project News. As this update service is basically a general summary of news and TMP-related events, etc. it was felt the new name (also in keeping with CPR-Canada News, the e-mail update service for Circles Phenomenon Research Canada) was more appropriate. Wishing a good week to all of you. Paul Anderson Director The Millennium Project _____________________________ See the TMP web site for links to the following news stories and updates, an archive of previous news and information on other TMP resources: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa _____________________________ NEWS AND REPORTS * Review of First Annual Intruders Foundation Conference in New York City * Forensic Reconstruction of Controversial "Starchild" Skull * Latest Crop Circle Updates from England * Filer's Files #19 - May 14, 1999 * A 2nd Face on Mars? * Original NASA Image of "2nd Face on Mars" * Official USGS Response Regarding "2nd Face on Mars" * 2nd Face on Mars Photos Are Real * A Lake on Mars? * A New Case for Liquid Water on Mars * Antimatter Propulsion Efforts Announced * SETI@Home Software Released * Even More Asteroids * How NATO and the Media Misrepresented the Chinese Embassy Bombing SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Y2K: Canadian Health and Food Service Sectors Behind on Deadlines * Mystery Contrails: New Reports from BC, Utah and North Carolina * Radar Anomalies: Ring Over Alabama THE MILLENNIUM FORUM * Next Fields of Dreams Crop Circle Presentation June 21 in Vancouver, BC _____________________________ The Millennium Project News is the e-mail update service of The Millennium Project, an independent research organization initiated in January 1999 as an alternative source of news and information to the maintream media. TMP was founded by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also director of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada. TMP News is published weekly or as breaking news develops, with the latest news and reports, information on TMP events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe TMP News" or "unsubscribe TMP News" and e-mail address to: psa@direct.ca TMP welcomes your news leads and submissions. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J4 Canada =A9 The Millennium Project, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:52:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >>>I did not read anything in Jeff Rense's post suggesting that he >>>favors book-burning. That's simply unfair, and I think you owe >>>him an apology. >>Clever dodge sir -- when it was _your_ attitude that I took >>exception to. >I rest my case. I had given our confused correspondent the >benefit of the doubt, thinking that he could not really mean >what he seemed to be saying. Whoa! I "seem to be saying" that I took exception with your thinly veiled suggestion that there should be a list of forbidden works. Your haughtiness is not appreciated. I work exceptionally hard to mean _exactly_ what I say. Sometimes it's critical. Sorry. I've learned to wear a literary cup when i discuss this subject with folks, perhaps you should get checked for size. >I had forgotten, momentarily, that >he is, after all, a conspiracy theorist, through whose eyes the >most innocent statements and actions take on the most cosmically >sinister overtones. An amusing but ineffective dodge to the absurd, sir -- I have a solid, rational framework for my suspicions. I think you are piqued at being caught on the *well meaning* tyrant's side of the fence. >As a First Amendent absolutist, I can only marvel at our >correspondent's effort to turn me into a bookburner -- not, one >images, the first time he has wildly misread or misrepresented >someone or something. Whoa -- another cheap shot. Well that you had just tried to change my mind with superior rationality, Mr. Clark. And regarding your admitted absolutism (?) -- "all things in moderation," including moderation! We've spent the better part of the last five hundred year in a retreat from the scourge of absolutism. Absolutist thinking includes party *lines* and *approved* behaviors -- sometimes even lists of proscribed works. Your admitted absolutism is a shocking surprise to me. <g>. >What I was urging, as all non-conspiracist readers easily >figured out, was that Jeff Rense exercise his position as >editor of a website to keep the discourse rational. By whose standard? By what rules of this *civilized* society? Who among us shall you _choose_ to designate the group of priests forming the council deciding a description for this so easy to identify "rationality"? >There is, >after all, no shortage of conspiracist and/or racist websites, >and anybody who is so inclined can go to one of them and >rant and rave to his heart's content. You won't have it here, though? In the army whenever there was an aircraft accident a board would be convened to investigate. On that board there would always be someone of alternate work experience -- a non-rated guy. Why? A wild card. Someone who was likely not to lose the forest for the individual trees. Keep your wild cards, Mr. Clark. They have their uses! They can still see the forest. >Such is the price we >pay for free expression. Your tone suggests that it is a price _you_ don't want to pay. You would have me relegated to your pile of proscribed tomes? You guys never learn... what you mash down _here_ only pops up over _there_ -- just meaner. <g>. >But none of us, including us First >Amendment absolutists, is obligated to _encourage_ such >expression, any more than the editor of a magazine (and >I have edited magazines most of my adult life) is obligated >to publish every manuscript offered to him. Ah! An editor! "I thought I recognized your foul stench when I was brought aboard." Just _kidding_ Mr. Clark. But no one is suggesting that you encourage my suggestions, or even publish all my manuscripts. That's just another little dash to the absurd. Rather -- you could accept that people are going to have ideas and explore thoughts that you should not be allowed to proscribe. >Evidently, so lost is our correspondent in conspiracist >fears and fantasies that he can't tell the difference between >an editor and a bookburner. I can tell the difference, sir. Do you know the difference between a piqued ad hominem and rational assesment? And should the *document in question* be available for ready inspection, or should it be kept in the catacombs beneath your home? >Sad but, of course, revealing. Revealing of WHAT, sir? The preceding fairly drips with Petitio Principii -- the fallacious begged question! Shame on ya! <g>. The only thing revealed here is your inability to sell your point -- which is, however well meaning . . . censorship. >>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>conspiracy. >>>Precisely. >>Then I suggest your delusion is your own, sir, contributory to our >>ufological malaise, and unfortunate. >The "ufological malaise," of course, is not that ufology's >rational members, like all sensible people, reject conspiracy >theories, Reject all the _theories_ of it that you want! Just don't pretend that it doesn't exist. It exists -- richly. >but that we have in our midst so many irrational types >who embrace them. I wonder why that is! In this wonderous time reaping the clear benefits of our omnipitant science you are still beset by these plauges of the "irrationally insensible" that have the gall to question a government, a news media, a religious institution, or even a ufological community peeing on their collective leg and telling them it's raining. What temerity! >Ufology is already a fringe enterprise. My fault I'm sure! I take _full_ responsibility for its *fringe* status. <g>. >Conspiracy theorists and other chronically frightened persons >who have grabbed hold of the UFO phenomenon to advance >their own misguided agendas only make UFO study look even >more disreputable. It can't do a whole lot worse than it is right now. My feeble investigation and commentary into it will do it no _further_ damage. I resent your veiled implication that it will. I'm of a mind that I can make an efficacious contribution. And would you remind me, please, of the mechanism of my "misguided agenda"? >If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd even >speculate that conspiracy theorists are by their very presence >serving conspiratorial ends. After all, if you want to discourage >serious attention to the UFO question, why not make it look >as if ufology is riddled with crackpots? Although -- just the opposite may be occurring with a new comprehension, more attention, video cameras -- and a coterie of conflabberating conspiracy theorists to keep the pressure on. <g>. Bless you Jim Marrs! <g>. >>>As documented in >>>insightful studies of conspiracy theory by the likes of George >>>Johnson, Daniel Pipes, Richard Hofstadter, and others, >>>conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial bigotry historically are so >>>entwined as to be indistinguishable. >>Perhaps, but appeals to authority, or expecting a jump on a band >>wagon of bookburning in deference to 'experts' does not address >>the take I have on our shared interest. As an _individual_ not >>overly impressed by title, or reputation, and able to "think and >>wait" in my own right -- I take issue with your haughty >>dismissal to defer to the traditions of others, and insist that >>I make up my own mind. >In other words, you've never read or, I suspect, even heard of >mainstream scholarship on the history and pathology of >conspiracy theory. No surprise here. And my surprise is complete! This is the same "scholarship of the mainstream" that is so quiveringly anxious to investigate UFOs? Suspect this! I have my own reading list, I've published it so the interested would know where I was coming from. It's on my site. These are intelligent books by intelligent people. Your suggestion that I don't have the educational acumen to debate this intelligently with you because of I havn't supped from your literary wine list is specious, and says a lot more about you than me, sir. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:44:01 -0300 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:04:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:38:43 -0700 >From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> >To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >One of the finest ufologist in the USA was Dr. Hynek, and we >lament that the new generation, involved in the most ambiguous >aspects of the UFO phenomenon, such as abductions, sometimes >don't even reconize his name. Very kind words. I'm a young UFO researcher, I've read a lot about Dr. Allen Hynek. To me he is the father of modern ufology. We can see how serious he was first chosen to investigate UFO phenomena. He did not believe in UFOs but after he saw so much true evidence, he changed his mind and began to study UFOs and the truth about them. By the way, we have with us in this list Mr. Jerome Clark, an heir to the objectives of Dr. Hynek. Thanks. THIAGO LUIZ TICCHETTI Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas (= DEPTE - EBE-ET / Brasilia-Brasil) Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation ICQ - 35119615 ****************** STOP THE WAR ***********************
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:13:29 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:09:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:22:09 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style >>>From the New York Times (New York edition), May 16, 1999, page >>6 -- the Russian nationalist leader Vladimir V. Shirinovsky puts >>forth his own conspiracy theory: >I had to laugh out loud Mr. S. -- This was _so_ abstruse and >obscure, Well, no. Only if you don't follow the news. Zhirinovsky has been widely discussed as one of the leading politicians in post-Soviet Russia. And also as one of the most threatening -- if, suddenly, Russia develops a fascist-style government, Mr. Zh. might be heading it. It's all in the newspaper, and on TV. >This was _so_ abstruse and obscure, and never really addresses >the sensibilities of so many college graduates regarding recent >polls suggesting widespread concern that the UFO/conspiracy >conundrum _is_ real. You've lost me. I thought you and I were having a discussion here. Now you tell me I've got to pay attention to a group of college graduates who've been polled on UFOs. Not only that -- I've neglected their "sensibilities." Does that mean I've injured their aesthetic sense, because I talked about a world-famous Russian extremist? Or that I've upset them, because they're susceptible to criticism, and perhaps feel attacked, implicitly, because I didn't address their concerns? (These are the main meanings of "sensibility," in the context in which you used it here.) And seriously, now (all teasing aside), so what if polls show they believe in UFO conspiracies? Does that make the conspiracies real? >Additionally, there is huge concern documented that government >has _knowledge_ of it that it's not forthcoming with -- for >suspect *reasons*. I am confused that you discount the potential >for a huge conspiracy, when there is such power and money >involved with the mechanism of it, _and_ it's *cousins* abound! >Don't you think an institution that is willing to lie and >conspire over a few groped females in the "tail hook" affair is >capable of doing everything it _can_ to cover up UFO's and >anomalous events perhaps pointing to all manner of paradigms and >technologies inconvenient to self-isolated money men? (I'm >reminded of Tesla here) Capable, sure. That they really did it requires proof. >>"It cannot be said that the country [he means Russia] was ruined >>in 1991 [when the Soviet Union fell]. That decision was made in >>1717 in Paris. 280 years ago the West made a decision to destroy >>the Russian empire. Do you think Napoleon invaded Russia just >>for kicks? That Hitler attacked Russia, just like that? That >>Yugoslavia is being bombed just like that? The target is one -- >>the Russian empire, the Soviet Union; never mind that we are now >>a democratic country. They are moving closer and closer to the >>Russian borders." >Hey Mr. S. -- (with respect) you get _your_ ass kicked for a >thousand years of huns, mongols, norsemen, chinese, and >Japanese and Viet Namese-- and I think healthy concern would be >pounded into _your_ rational bones, too. It makes all the >_following_ conclusions moot. They ain't us. It's well-known that some Russians fear the west, and have a general sense of being surrounded by a hostile world. Zhirinovsky, however, is doing much more than reflecting that world-view. He's making a specific charge, that in 1717, in Paris, a specific, concrete conspiracy against Russia was hatched. This is a matter of objective history -- either such a thing happened, or it didn't. You don't have to be Russian to determine that. Any competent historian, given the proper data, could give it a shot. And, speaking of history, I'm not sure what to make of this list of peoples who (if I understand correctly what's being said) allegedly kicked Russian ass. When, for instance, did the Vietnamese do that? Vietnam and Russia never fought. Or the Chinese? There was a Russo-Japanese war at one point, which the Russians cheerfully avenged by entering the fight against Japan in World War II after Japan had all but been defeated. But nobody seriously claims that Japan played any major role in Russian history. As for the Huns and Mongols, I believe they did more damage to, respectively, western Europe and China, and in any case one important thrust of Russian history has been turned on its head here. Russia became an empire, and spent much more time kicking ass itself than getting kicked, especially in this century. Here's a little list of countries whose ass Russia kicked: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland (twice; first in 1939, then after the war), Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Finland, the Ukraine, Belorussia, Kazakhstan, Georgia, and a host of other nations that, after the breakup of the Soviet Union, are now independent, after having been ruled by Russia in some cases for centuries. So we'd better take Zhirinovsky's words with a grain of salt. On the surface, he's complaining about alleged Western plots against Russia. His real agenda, though (and this is hardly something he or other Russian nationalists keep secret), is to restore the Russian empire, or in other words to go kick the ass -- again -- of many of the countries I've just mentioned. >Nada -- sir! Just circumstantial ad hominem, Argumentum ad >Ignorantium (no proof of 'spiracy so no 'spiracy). A little bit >of Argumentum ad Populum (Real thinkers don't believe in >conspiracy, be a real thinker). A little Argumentum ad >Vericundiam with you standing in nicely as an authority. Good >stuff -- convincing as hell and no less fallacial. Oh, come on. I was teasing. My teasing had a point, I'll freely grant. But I don't indulge in any of the nonsense you're naming here. I'm happy to see thought wherever it springs up, and the only thing I know about "real thinkers" is that nobody can predict what conclusion they're going to come to. If a certain person can't prove a conspiracy exists, that doesn't mean there isn't one -- it just means that this person should insist on the conspiracy a little less loudly. He should save the tone of utter certainty until he _has_ the proof. What's sad here, though, is that Mr. L accuses me of precisely the kind of rhetoric he likes to use himself. With Jerry Clark, he struck a pose of "real people, with blood flowing in their veins, know that conspiracies are real." With me, in a single post, he'll makes more authoritative statements than most of us would venture in a month of e-mail. "Here is the truth!" he'll thunder, mightily impressing everyone who already agrees with him. >>(a) There are more conspiracies than we knew about -- look, >>here's another one! >Pretty valid when some homework is done and a discovery occurs. >Gary Webb has recently completed a book called "Dark Alliance" >that outlines a "knowing" link in the interests of weapons >makers, cocaine producers, the CIA/ DEA, drug dealers, millions >of dollars, and Ollie North (looks _wonderful_ on television, >doesn't he?). Together, they created among other abominations >the scourge of automatic weapons and crack cocaine that has >tormented this nation since Iran-Contra. Now this might be >evidence of conspiracy that spits in the readers eye! Has this book been published yet? >>(b) Zhirinovsky is a nutball, but our own conspiracy theories >>are valid. >I've always been fond of saying that where there is threat, >there is no paranoia. The very real fear I have of conspiracy is >not paranoid delusion. There is obvious threat. The threat lives >and breathes in the fertile ground of justice to the highest >bidder -- something that occurs in this country with alarming >frequency. There is threat in the canted playing field of our >class culture fomenting all the hatred and violence in our high >schools. There is threat in huge black arms of a wealthy >government beyond even the most casual oversite. There is threat >in a world close to ecological meltdown brought about by >smothering blandishments of corporate business leaders taking >the the short sighted capitalist raider view. And I'm not >talking politics. I don't _believe_ in it. There are obvious problems in our world. Citing the problems isn't the same thing as saying that some hidden group of people has caused the problems on purpose. >>(c) Zhirinovsky never said what the NY Times quoted. Since the >>Times is a well-known mouthpiece for the conspiracy, it made up >>this quote to discredit conspiracy theories. >Now this was a cheap shot -- _and_ a suggestion that the paper >was above reproach -- AND a further intimation that there is >_no_ conspiracy. News papers have had the potential to be >crookedly misleading ever since Charles Foster Kane (I mean >Randolph Hearst) and before <g>. Perhaps I document my >ignorance of newspapers, but isn't that the rag that prints >only "news that's fit to print." Give me, rather, the news >that _fits_ -- give me ALL the news. We don't get any news >-- we get a year of spooge stains and right wing posturing. And here I thought I was joking. Honest injun, I put this one in just as a goof. In the back of my mind were the leftists of my parents' generation, who didn't believe in Stalin's terror when the NY Times reported it -- and had a point, really, because none of the leading newspapers had distinguished themselves with objective reporting about Soviet Russia. So my joke, at least as I understood it, was affectionate. I know a fair amount about how the NY Times operates, since I'm a journalist myself. I wouldn't believe everything I read there, nor do I think they report everything that's going on. At the same time, much of what they print really _is_ accurate. If your life depends on understanding their biases, you should proceed very carefully, doing lots of detailed research -- and _not_ make the mistake of thinking that you can wade through the paper, declaring purely on your own authority that page three is accurate (because it fits your preconceptions), but page four (which reports something you don't like to hear) is not. >>(d) It's all too easy to imagine conspiracies. Any of us (like >>Zhirinovsky, alas >. . .And Who, Mr. S, had _every_ encouragement and >authorization to see more conspiracy than he probably did! Zhirinovsky (who appears in fact to be a loony tune, and a very dangerous one) sees conspiracies everywhere. There's no "probably" about it. >>) can find "evidence" to support whatever >>conspiracy we go out looking for. >None of which discounts, or begins to allay _my_ fear regarding >ubiquitous conspiracy. I am not getting the usual warm and fuzzy >when I read your stuff this time Mr. S. Almost like Phil Klass >or "Darth Twitcher" has taken you _over_ somehow <g>. When Errol >bounces me off the list -- I'll know they've gotten to _him_ >too. <g>. My problem with conspiracies, after a lifetime spent on the political left, is simply this: They're too easy to imagine. A belief in them takes the complexity out of life, replacing it with a false simplicity. As a result, it gets harder to identify the cause of problems, and harder to find solutions. Just for amusement, I'll mention the most far-fetched conspiracy I've ever heard of. I came across this allegation during the Vietnam war, in a leaflet passed out by some Trotskyite splinter group. (Or maybe it came from the Progressive Labor party; I can't remember.) Anyhow, it blamed the war in Vietnam on "the Moscow-Washington-Hanoi axis to oppress the Vietnamese people." And the best contemporary conspiracy theory I know was suggested in the novel that the movie "Wag the Dog" was based on. That movie depicted the American government pretending to fight a war that really didn't exist, staging the whole thing for television, so a president in political trouble could improve his standing in the polls. The novel suggested something much more plausible, in my view -- that the Gulf War was, in reality, the result of a secret deal between George Bush and Saddam Hussein. The deal was that they'd fight the war, and that Bush would win, but wouldn't invade Iraq. This would help them both politically, the author suggested -- and you know, it almost makes sense! Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:56:23 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:13:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:32:52 -0700 >From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) <snip> >Quite simply, prior to Hynek leaving his position as civilian >consultant to Project Blue Book, Hynek was a "company man." He >incurred the wrath of Dr. James McDonald because of his timid >stance with numerous Air Force explanations, which people like >McDonald knew to be hogwash. Hynek was receiving about $5,000.00 >per year from the Air Force, which was no small change in the >60's. Even years later after Hynek "switched sides" he was timid >and went out of his way to not make waves. As an example, during >the Hudson Valley sightings events, prior to his death, Hynek >would not entertain allowing Phil Imbrogno or Pratt to release >some of the more bizarre information they were collecting during >their long investigation. A lot of people think Hynek was a >great investigator, and he may have been a fine astronomer, but >I think he did a disservice to overall UFO research. I know a >lot of people will take umbrage at this, but if pushed I will >give some damning examples. Yeah, as if Hynek hadn't already written a couple of books on his own by then, and established CUFOS in the bargain. Hynek still had a scientific reputation to protect, Imbrogno and Pratt didn't. No real wonder he didn't want to sign on to everything they did. In fact, Hynek was essentially a silent partner in the book, basically lending his good name to boost sales of a book that wouldn't have achieved same without it. And for this he gets hammered? Why do you think Imbrogno and Pratt wanted his name on the cover? And did it ever occur to you that some of the more "bizarre information" the two collected simply may not have passed Hynek's scientific muster test? >>Perhaps while we are remembering scientists, we should remember >>Dr. John McDonald. If he were the Air Force's consultant on >>UFOs, imagine where we would be now. >>Bill Stockstill >Hello Bill. Actually that is Dr. James McDonald. Now there was a >truely [sic] great man, and [sic] was viciously attacked for his open >scientific courage. >-- >Don Ecker So truly great and courageous that he shot himself not once, but twice. But surely we can blame those momentary lapses in courage on the evil UFO skeptics, no? Look, here is the point: Hynek is neither to be overly praised nor overly villified. The fact of the matter is that most of us wouldn't be where we are today if it weren't for Ruppelt, Keyhoe, and Hynek (and maybe Charles Fort, depending on how old you are). >Even years later after Hynek "switched sides" he was timid and >went out of his way to not make waves. I've repeated this from an above quote because it's so patently ridiculous. After the closing of Project Blue Book in Dec. of 1969, Hynek went on to write two books under his own name (one of which would result in Spielberg's "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," one of the most financially successful movies of all time) and found CUFOS, the Center for UFO Studies, an odd way overall not to make waves! And then there was The Edge of Reality, co-authored/edited by Vallee and Hynek, which could hardly be characterized as timid by anyone, except perhaps Ecker, who seemingly has some sort of grudge to grind with Hynek Yes, Hynek was not perfect. Evidence of that we have enough. Neither was McDonald, much as some ufologists might like to make him out to be. So what's really new? Still falling for that Glenn Dennis yarn about the missing nurse (what _was_ her name?) and the heavy-handed American SS troops? And Frankies Rowe and Kaufmann? Well, we all have our weaknesses. Not to be too timid, Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:39:27 -0600 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:32:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:54:52 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies <snippage> >It took me about 45 seconds to log on to www.amazon.com, enter >Paperclip as the search word and come up with the following, all >currently for sale: >1) The Paperclip Conspiracy by Tom Bower >2) Project Paperclip by Clarence G. Lasby >3) Secret Agenda: The US Government, Nazi Scientists and Project >Paperclip, 1945 to 1990 by Linda Hunt. Linda Hunt's book is no longer published. Hmmmm. The Pinks got to her! >(The first two titles also had subtitles, but I deleted them for >simplicity's sake. It's evident, though, that all three refer to >THE Project Paperclip.) Well shuck my chitlins. >Yup, must be some vast conspiracy-cover up in effect here! The >American people sure enough aren't being told the truth! And >ain't no way you can buy or read a book about Project Paperclip >in this conspiracy-confounded country, no sirree! See..I _knew_ it! Hot damn. Thanks for the hot tip Dennis. They'll be an extra ten spot in your pay envelope this week. Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:36:15 -0600 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:40:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:23:33 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies <snipped by the reptoids> >Are you merely ranting or venting, or is it your contention that >Project Paper Clip, MK-Ultra, the Kennedy assassination, and the >government UFO cover up, etc. are somehow connected by some vast >umbrella conspiracy? Me rant? Ha! I bow to _your_ talent, Sir. I can hope to approach your level of masterful foamage only on my best Meds days. <g> >If so, I'm afraid there's no hope for you. But there is a Hope, Arkansas. Where's there's Hope, there's Hillary. >BTW, how did you come to hear about MK-Ultra? It couldn't have >been because there was a book published in this country about it >(way back in 1980), based on recovered government documents, >named "In Search of the Manchurian Candidate," could it? Hey, >some conspiracy that, that it couldn't even cover itself up. >How did you hear about Project Paper Clip, a second gunman in >Dallas, MJ-12, 60 Clinton-induced "suicides," and the rest of >your conspiracies? Some conspiracies, eh, considering that the >word is now so out and about. Only a _second_ gunman in Dallas? Hmmm. Methinks the Texian sun hath baked your head a bit too much from listenin' to Baby Bush's reverse-speeches too much. Drink more Gripple and throw off the yoke of the illuminati banksters and you'll see everything in a whole new light. Yea, that's the ticket! >Couldn't possibly be because you reside in a democracy with a >free press, could it? You mean all Truth _isn't_ published on Web Pages? The shock, the horror! >Yes, Don, all sorts of conspiracies, lies, and frauds, >corporate, personal, institutional, government and otherwise, >take place every day of the year. Get used to it. It's something >called human nature. Yes, I agree. Send me $15 and I'll tell you all about it. Cash only, no checks, please. >We've also got conspiracies afoot to clean up the air, ban land >mines, save what's left of the world's rain forests, and go to >Mars. But I suppose that's small potatoes and comfort to one who >sees nasty little conspiracies everywhere. You've neglected the most evil and horrific conspiracy of all - the dryer cover-up of missing socks. It MUST BE STOPPED NOW! >Why don't you hotfoot it over to Kosovo, where NATO is presently >engaged in a 19-nation consipracy to reverse Slobidan >Milosivec's policy of ethnic cleansing? Or are they there to set >up a One World government (conspiracy #11) and to detract >attention from MJ-12 and who _really_ killed Kennedy? Why I can't do that Dennis..I might miss my NRA meeting to get ready to battle the FEMA shock troops when Martial Law is declared over Y2K. Besides, what's the pathetic lives of a few Balkans? If the Russians and Chinese don't like it, well we can nuke them all and get all this ethnic cleansing retribution done at one swell foop. <g> Light em if ya got em' Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Whose Face on Mars? From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:55:08 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:46:18 -0400 Subject: Whose Face on Mars? I don't want to sound too sarcastic when I am really a cynical soul only seven steps from hell. I just don't get it when it comes to looking at the alleged "2nd face on Mars" and the Martian swimming hole. Ever since those photos were posted I have tried looking at all versions of "the face" and all I see are a circle with swirls in it. Is it supposed to look like a human face or a Martian face? Is this not a case of wishful thinking? It reminds me of times back in the '60s when, after absorbing Dr. Hoffman's elixir, I would see depressions in the sand on the beach become alive. Am I missing something here? Aside from Hoagland's pal (the 1st face), I haven't seen any other faces on Mars. I wish I could see mine up there. Now that would be something. This reminds me of J.Bond Johnson's interpretation of bumps of glue on Roswell debris. Am I not reading enough into the photos? The "lake" looks like a white area with what resembles a pyroclastic flow next to it. Has anyone reporting this thought about asking a planetary geologist? Then again why bother, Mars scientists might be part of the dreaded conspiracy. They won't tell me that they are hiding my face up there somewhere. That is too close to the truth.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS From: Richard G Brown <rgbrown@web.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 06:06:40 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:48:33 -0400 Subject: Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS >From: John Ratcliff <jratcliff@worldnet.att.net> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: 2nd Mars 'Face' Artefact Genuine - USGS >Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 22:46:45 -0500 >>Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 >>From: Mitch Battros <earthcng@earthlink.net> >>To: Breaking News <earthcng@earthlink.net> >>Subject: Earth Changes TV/Breaking News >>The 2nd Face On Mars Photo's Are Real...05/08/99 >>by Mitch Battros (ECTV) >>There has now been a second confirmation from the USGS stating >>the NASA photo's are authentic. .... >Egads. This sad excuse for a roscharch test does little more >than publically demonstrate the deep well of unfullfilled >irrationality bubbling beneath the surface of most all of the >fringe psyches that flit about these forums; confused moths >seeking the light of self relevance. >I remember when I first approached these subject matters, first >the arch skeptic, then confused researcher, later arguing with >great passion the hard evidence of a new reality, only to be >subsumed by the fuzzy and esoteric nature of personal >philosophies weighed upon the delicate scale of semantic >subtlties as expressed by varied reality labryrinths. You forgot to mention self-indulgent rhetoric in run-on sentences . Alas, sour subsumation!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: SETI at Home From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:54:07 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:55:05 -0400 Subject: Re: SETI at Home >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:56:41 -0400 >From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: SETI at Home >SETI@home software is now available. >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ >It sure beats the Flying Toasters! Hi all, What is a good indicator that you have detected a signal? I visited the SETI@Home site and read through the technical data on the application but it left me dizzy. I'm a software engineer by trade and lack any understanding of most of the mathematical jargon presented on that page. Could someone explain to a layman what to look for while casually viewing the data processing.. Thanks, Donnie W. Shevlin
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 99 08:50:47 PDT Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:59:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>A wholly unnecessary explanation, unless you believe that >>wrongdoing is by definition evidence of conspiracy, presumably >>orchestrated by Satan himself. Since none of us is without sin, >>I suppose, then, we are all agents of the conspiracy. >1). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy involved >with the CIA conducting mind control experiments under MK-Ultra, >and Monarch? Is it further your position that Cathy O'Brien >suffered no harm, and only imagined what was done to her? Again, the mentality of the conspiracy theorist. Any wrongdoing, any governmental secrecy, is proof of a huge international plot to control our lives. Another word for this is paranoia, and fortunately sensible people can tell the difference between misconduct (of which all governments, not just our own, are guilty at one time or another) and conspiracy. The very fact that we know about MK-Ultra, the subject of several books and numerous articles by sensible (i.e., non-conspiracist) writers, shows that this can't have been much of a conspiracy, at least by the conspiracy standards the paranoids would have us believe pertain to the _real_ ones. >2). Is it your position there was no conspiracy involved with >the US Govt bringing over thousands of Nazi's to this country >under Project Paperclip? Were the People of the United States >ever told about this? Is this common knowledge, and if so, what >specific published books can you refer to? Was this legal? Was >there any conspiracy with any Nazi's being involved with mind >control experiments? See above. >3). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy involved in >the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, that it was the >act of _one_ lone gunman? If so, why were the records sealed >until well into the next century? Sorry to disappoint you, fearful one, but Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. The evidence is overwhelming, a whole lot of very silly and deeply misleading books to the contrary notwithstanding. Happily, a growing body of literature debunks one of the most pervasive myths of latter-20th-Century America -- a myth that even people with far more sense than Mr. Allen possesses have bought into. A good place to start is Gerald Posner's seminal Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (1993). No doubt Mr. Allen suspects Posner himself (or would suspect Posner himself, if he'd ever heard of him) is part of the conspiracy, but the rest of you will learn much from this well-researched, well-argued, eminently sane book. And Posner is one hell of a fine writer, on top of everything else. >4). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists when the >Bilderbergers meet each year, in secret, with no press coverage >allowed? I guess the fact that reporters aren't permitted to sit in conclusively proves that the Bilderbergers are hatching sinister plots, doesn't it? But don't you guys believe the press is _part_ of the conspiracy? So why should you be concerned at the exclusion of journalists? For the evolution of belief in the Bilderbergers and other international organizations as orchestrators of evil conspiracies, see George Johnson's useful Architects of Fear: Conspiracy Theories and Paranoia in American Politics (1983). >5). Is it your position that there is no conspiracy exists with >the chemical spraying of contrails all across this country and >the subsequent outbreak of illnesses associated with this >spraying, and the FAA dismissing the jelly-like substance as >"corn meal" ? Yup. >6). Is it your position that there was no conspiracy exists when >the Clinton Admin was informed months ago about Chinese spies at >Los Alamos, and did nothing to stop it? Yes, unless you're accusing the Clinton administration of deliberate treason, which only a crackpot would do. I realize that you conspiracy theorists don't believe in screw-ups, bureaucratic inertia, ass-covering, and incompetence, but that's what this was. Not the first, by the way, in the history of espionage. Another particularly appalling recent instance is the Aldrich case. Aldrich, who ought to have been caught and stopped long before he was, did most of his spying under Republican administrations, but no one has argued (well, probably some nut has argued somewhere) that therefore these GOP Presidencies were engaged in a conspiracy to let Aldrich loot sensitive CIA secrets and turn them over to his Soviet handlers. (Likewise, Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and other Soviet spies within the U.S. government were in place during two Democratic administrations, despite suspicions and warnings which for various reasons went unheeded. One politician made his name and career by accusing those administrations of treason andn collusion with Soviet espionage. His name was Joe McCarthy.) >7). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists in the over-60 >mysterious deaths ruled as "suicide" involving Clinton, over the >last few years? Yup. This, of course, is nut stuff, a staple of the political pornography of the far right, of which Mr. Allen is a devout and credulous consumer. >8). Is it your position that no conspiracy exists with the CIA >smuggling drugs into this country? That Chip Tatum is a liar, >Mena never happenned and three boys deaths who witnessed a drug >drop at Mena were ruled a "suicide" ? Yup. Of course the inability of any independent investigators, including the relentless Kenneth Starr, to verify any of these ultraright-wing fantasies proves that the independent investigators, including Starr, are part of the plot. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they are absolutely unfalsifiable. >9). Is it your position that no evidence of conspiracy exists >that Web Hubble ever sold an entire AT&T run of encrypted phone >technology to the Chinese Communists, while Janet Reno's Just Us >dept was trying to foist the Clipper Chip on U.S. citizens? Yup. >10). Is it _your_ position that _no_ conspiracy of coverup >exists in regards to the govt position on UFOs? What does this have to do with the above? I certainly do not believe there is a "conspiracy of cover-up," whatever that means. I suspect that certain agencies hold classified materials on UFO reports, but I don't know what, if anything, such secrets amount to. The evidence is finite and in many ways ambiguous, but I keep an open mind, given intriguing reports by military people who claim they were interrogated by official investigators not associated with Project Blue Book; there is also Gen. Exon's fascinating testimony. But I do _not_ think, as you obviously do, that the keeping of secrets (on UFOs or anything else) is synonymous with the orchestrating of conspiracies. Nor do I think, as I'm sure you do, that the gummint is assassinating ufologists or railroading them into mental institutions. >Is it your firm position that there's no blood in these turnips >either and that anyone who suggests otherwise is likewise a >"bigot" ? As students of conspiracy theory have long observed, conspiracy theory and ethnic/racial hatred have been so long entwined as to be virtually indistinguishable. (For the relationship of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism [much in evidence in current conspiracist postings on this list and in a private, off-list exchange I had recently with Mr. Allen], see p. 138 of Daniel Pipes's Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From [1997].) Let me repeat: Scratch a conspiracy theorist, and a bigot bleeds. Which is not surprising: both paranoia and prejudice come out of the deepest, darkest, most frightened and primitive regions of the soul. The real world, God knows, is bad enough, but you patient and gentle listfolk can count yourself among the blessed -- at least you don't live in the world conjured up by conspiracists. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 18 Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:04 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:05:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:22:09 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Conspiracy, Russian-style >>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Conspiracy, Russian-style >>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:08:19 -0400 >I had to laugh out loud Mr. S. -- This was _so_ abstruse and >obscure, and never really addresses the sensibilities of so many >college graduates regarding recent polls suggesting widespread >concern that the UFO/conspiracy conundrum _is_ real. I believe the concern is real. the question is, does it have any basis in reality? A number of sociological studies have shown that people tend to be concerned about what the media (both news and popular culture) tell them to be concerned about. Conspiracy theories usually arise to fill gaps in knowledge. My own take on this, as someone who has had a number of friends in governmental "high positions," is that no-one in government knows what the hell is going on with the UFO phenomenon, and most really don't care. Conspiracy theories are by their nature anecdotal--anonymous sources, stories told by friends of friends, etc. Government leaks like a sieve, and tends to reflect the general level of incompetence in the overall population. Believe me, if the government knew the inside scoop on UFOs, we'd all be reading about it in the Washington Post by now. >Additionally, there is huge concern documented that government >has _knowledge_ of it that it's not forthcoming with -- for >suspect *reasons*. I am confused that you discount the potential >for a huge conspiracy, when there is such power and money >involved with the mechanism of it, _and_ it's *cousins* abound! >Don't you think an institution that is willing to lie and >conspire over a few groped females in the "tail hook" affair is >capable of doing everything it _can_ to cover up UFO's and >anomalous events perhaps pointing to all manner of paradigms and >technologies inconvenient to self-isolated money men? (I'm >reminded of Tesla here) You make the point well here. How long was Tailhook covered up? A few months at most. And the truth eventually, sooner rather than later, leaks out. People have been claiming to see UFOs for a long time. No substantive, verifiable leaks yet--just a few self promoters who are usually, and rightly, ignored. >Nada -- sir! Just circumstantial ad hominem, Argumentum ad >Ignorantium (no proof of 'spiracy so no 'spiracy). Nothing ad hominem here--there just isn't any verifiable evidence, unless fin de siecle paranoia counts as evidence. The government certainly keeps information from the citizenry, but that's a very different kind of exercise from a vast. multiform conspiracy re the UFO phenomenon. Again, the folks I knew in government had much more pressing worries than UFOs--I would even go so far as to say they didn't give a damn about them and were fed up to the back teeth with members of the UFOlogical community telling them they knew more than they were telling the population at large. >Pretty valid when some homework is done and a discovery occurs. >Gary Webb has recently completed a book called "Dark Alliance" >that outlines a "knowing" link in the interests of weapons >makers, cocaine producers, the CIA/ DEA, drug dealers, millions >of dollars, and Ollie North (looks _wonderful_ on television, >doesn't he?). Together, they created among other abominations >the scourge of automatic weapons and crack cocaine that has >tormented this nation since Iran-Contra. Now this might be >evidence of conspiracy that spits in the readers eye! Agreed. And it all comes out, sooner rather than later. Brian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:09:20 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:18:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:01:57 -0400 >>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:10:27 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Couched in the manner of your presentation, sir, the rational >>person would be reluctant to continue down the slippery slope >>that you depict. But, it _would_ appear to seem that it _may_ be >>as you suggest (up your debating sleeve), that knee jerk >>dismissal of conspiracy _is_ irrational. >Knee-jerk thinking is not terribly rational, no matter what it's >about. But who, exactly, is dismissing conspiracy with a jerk of >the knee? With my most sincere apology, Mr. Sandow. I thought _you_ were. In fact -- I thought I noticed an abrupt change in the complete direction of what I thought was an obvious, and in my opinion, _healthy_ cant . . . Another of us tired of having our legs peed on. >>Not _just_ government, Mr. S. -- big business (including their >>doctors, lawyers, and policemen), the spawner of the government >>you allude to. >Now we have a distinction to make -- between conspiracies and >simple dominance of government by the powerful, which is not >exactly news. News _institutionally_ not copped to, now. >Well over 100 years ago, Marx said that the >government, in capitalist societies, was "the executive >committee of the ruling class." The philosophy of Marx was _created_ in reaction to the robber barons you've alluded to. So are militant homosexuals, foaming feminazis, (always) rebellious students, daughters and sons, drug dealers, prostitutes, and conspiracy theorists. <g>. >But even he -- and let me state, so as not to be criticized for >anything I'm not, that my politics are quite left; Ever wonder why liberal talk shows don't work? >I'm quite >sympathetic to Marx -- never said this executive committee had >any sort of formal organization. It has at least the organization of _government_ -- we're not that far from an era where the business of government was business -- if we ever left it. There are rotaries -- confederations, shadowy social clubs. There is MORE than formal organization, sir. I heard it once said that the real history of our race is a private affair, or why is "Kennedy" sealed until I'm dead and gone. >He was speaking metaphorically. >I used to make jokes (around 20 years ago) about what a real >conspiracy would be like. The "executive committee" would have >formal sessions. "Ladies and gentlemen, we've now settled the >course of the stock market for the next year, You say this blithely disregarding a very shadowy, and suspect FED. >and determined >which team will win the World Series. How _about_ those black socks. <g>. >Now may I ask Mr. Leonard >Bernstein to outline his plans for classical music?" That -- or >something like that (jokes about the world series aside) -- is >what I've thought conspiracy theories allege. Which is a _very_ >different thing from mere haphazard domination by the rich and >powerful. I think it unlikely that there is _anything_ haphazard about the domination by the rich and powerful. They write the rules, populate the congress, screen the admissions to schools and colleges, publish the textbooks, make their arbitrary rejections, and finally -- write the histories. I think it's a contrived cultural consequence of an instutional imperitive cooperating, together and apart, to keep things the way just a _few_ would have them. I guess I stand a little to the left of you, Mr Sandow. I've studied Arblasters's "The rise and decline of western liberalism," so I do possess an adequate framework for its appreciation. >>>It's not exactly news that (a) governments >>>have perfectly normal reasons for hiding what they do, ranging >>>from genuine issues of security to disreputable attempts to >>>cover their asses, and >>A priveledge very likely abused horrifically, and without >>oversite of _any_ kind. >Really? No oversight at all? Then how do we know about >government scandals? The tip of a very dirty 'berg, Mr. Sandow. >>>(b) that governments sometimes resort to >>>illegal means to keep themselves in power, or to enrich their >>>supporters. >>Why has that _ever_ been instituted and once instituted, tolerated >>-- Why didn't Ike just _admit_ that the russians were scaring >>the hell out of us, and deserved every bit of over flight they >>got. Was our _own_ behavior something less than pristine? Why >>tolerate a violent right wing government over a more peaceful >>and only slightly more _left_ one? >Good points, all of them, but hardly proof of any conspiracy. I have to agree -- I was blinded by correlation. Many of the snails seem gone -- but Geez! Their slime trails are everywhere! >The mere fact that governments lie and cover up doesn't prove >that there's a conspiracy. Pardon me?! People cooperating to commit illegal acts is the exact definition of 'conspiracy'. Let me check my Webster's <and he really did too>Confirmed! >>>All this is obvious enough without conspiracies. It's much worse >>>in the third world. >>This is supposed to be America! Is it something _other_ than >>what it depicts itself to be? >Of course it is! This is news? More evidence of that educational conspiracy? A tiny, tiny fraction of the population internalizes that. Don't you wonder why that is? >>>And, interestingly, it used to be much worse >>>in the United States, generations ago. >>Few know that, though. Evidence of some kind of educational >>conspiracy? >>Perhaps. >Hardly. Few people know much, in any detail, about history of >any kind. In a textbook called "Lies my teacher told me" James W. Loewen lays out a very interesting framework for the the mechanics of that inexplicable lack of a desire to *know*. All part of the plan, Mr. S. <g> >The information, in any case, is hidden in plain >sight. You don't have to read deep in scholarly historical >studies to learn, for instance, that published budgets for >cities and states in the US are relatively new (allowing all >kinds of possibilities for corrupt spending), that police >corruption in New York City used to be more the norm than the >exception (I'm talking about the 1920s, not the more recent >pre-Serpico era), or that the press used to support government >in America far more uncritically than it does now. You speak of advances made, Mr. Sandow. Many of them I must certainly conceed. I speak of advances we _could_ have made. Copping to Galileo five hundred ago would have put us in the asteroid belt today. Pardon the hyperbole. >The mere fact that something isn't known doesn't prove or even >suggest a conspiracy. The more concerned of us must content ourselves that where there is smoke there MAY be fire. >>>Does anyone remember >>>political bosses in big American cities? >>How about the one in Suffolk county New York right now! >Suffolk County's Republican party bosses have been widely >written about. One of their main MO's (as reported widely in the >New York press in the '80s) was to require all employees of >county government to make donations to the Republican party. The tip of their own dirty iceberg? Remembering John Ford. And don't dismiss him as a nut. If TRUE it is _not_ germane. >One reason this got reported, however, was that it's relatively >rare these days. Uh - huh! So you would have me believe. >Two generations ago, most big cities were >controlled by political bosses affiliated with the Democratic >party. Mayor Daley of Chicago was the most notorious, though >it's worth noting that often these bosses didn't hold office. >They'd get jobs for working-class citizens, and perform other >public services -- the understanding being that the citizens >helped would vote the straight democratic ticket. The election >results were partly fabricated, in any case, with many stories >circulating about people voting more than once, or dead people >being retained on the election rolls. >These bosses exercised fairly iron control over the political >apparatus in their cities. They could dictate who'd be the >Democratic candidate for mayor, and sometimes even for governor >of their states. Once elected, these politicians did what the >bosses wanted. >But those days are long gone. Only the DAYS are long gone, Mr. Sandow. The motivations, imperitives, and desires of that kind of profitable sociopathy exist in an only more refined and sophisticated state. >I remember vividly when Ed Koch, >later to be mayor of New York, overthrew the last remaining New >York political boss, Carmine di Sapio. OK! _What_ filled the power vacume? >I wouldn't claim there's >much more small-d democracy in New York than there used to be >(in the sense of direct control by the citizens), but government >is conducted much, _much_ more openly than it used to be. Same song -- Mr. Sandow, just a _better_ arrangement. >To >cite just one vivid change: You won't be beaten by thugs, or, in >extreme cases, even killed if you speak up strongly against the >party in power. No health code violations, or other *lawful* stricture? There _are_ the thousand slings and arrows that flesh is heir to. Even with crime down slightly, I cannot let slide by your _celebration_ of fractional, and GRUDGING advancement. >>>"Smoke-filled rooms" in >>>which political parties here decided on presidential candidates? >>You suggest that that has _disappeared_? No, just changed its >>form. The common woman _still_ has very little input into the >>process than to vote for who the the business community provides >>for her to vote for. >There are many business communities, and many of them don't >think they've got the ideal candidates, either. Where, for >instance, is the candidate calling for an end to the trade >embargo with Cuba, something that many US corporations dearly >want to see (so they can join European and Asian companies in >doing Cuban business)? >Business control of politics and candidates is fairly haphazard. _Any_ control is intolerable -- derated as *haphazard* or no. >And one decisive change has been the role of presidential >nominating conventions. A generation ago, nominations were >actually decided there. Not any more -- the extensive primary >system more or less guarantees that by the time a convention >starts, one candidate will have locked up enough votes to win. >That, anyway, has been what's happened for several elections >now. More refinement to the horns, a little more resin on the bows in the string section, a repaired crack in the cymbals? According to the textbook "Democracy for the few," by Michael Parenti, the process does not have the hopeful effication that you would appear to hold out for it. >The old days were very different. Less refined. >Remember, we're talking here >about evidence for conspiracy, not the more general notion that >the people of the US don't have much control of their >government. When political conventions still had power, a few >political bosses could lock themselves up in that classic >"smoke-filled room," and decide who should be nominated. They'd >conspire, in other words. >Before the 1952 elections, the moderate Northeast bankers and >Wall Street executives who mostly controlled the Republican >party were able to persuade Dwight Eisenhower to run as a >Republican, and then were able to get him the nomination >(despite strong opposite from conservatives who supported Robert >Taft, the candidate of the midwest and the west, the areas which >now, along with the south, have supplanted the Northeast >moderates from their pre-eminent position in the party, proof >right there that the thing isn't run as a steel-tight >conpsiracy). >Nowadays, no group of bankers could do that. They'd have to >bankroll their candidate through all the primaries, and if the >voters didn't like him, they'd lose. Not fully democratic, I'll >grant, but much more open than things used to be. Not as it _could_ be - if we ascribed to some of those liberal ideals you assumed earlier. Not much better than now, when Bill Gates could make a decent show of running for office as Ross and Steve have. Likely _you_ would be the better president! Where do you get your money? >>>"Robber barons" around the turn of the (last) century who >>>controlled congressmen, senators, and entire state legislatures? >>I think we can safely admit that _they_ have not disappeared, >>either. There are whole communities in the world suffering >>miserably at the hands of a business ethic gone mad outside the >>borders of the United States, and only slightly less mad inside >>it's borders. >But of course they've disappeared. Tell that to the villagers in and around banana growers in South America. They are dropping dead of mercury poisoning. The big growers successfully defeated the class action suit. Really patting themselves on the back for it, too! >They've been replaced by far >more impersonal corporations, which do their dirty work far less >systematically. In the old days, you really could say that John >D. Rockefeller conspired to put his competitors out of business. >No longer. Well -- I have difficulty getting _that_ down. I'm having trouble with you even suggesting it. >>>My impression, after watching American politics for 40-odd years >>>and after much reading, is that politics and government are in >>>many ways -- in everything, I'd guess, that's not concerned with >>>foreign policy and the military -- more open than they used to >>>be. That's not what reporters reported from desert storm. They complained bitterly for being spoonfed what the military was feeding them. The gulf war illness likely hides in that slim reporting, Mr. S. >>But certainly not as it _could_ be, assuming an honesty, a >>forthcoming attitude, or a respect now in such short supply. >>Hell -- we should be living in the asteroid belt by now -- a >>thriving collection of autonomous individuals combining into >>teams of much more capability and efficacy! >Sure. But that doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. C'mon hoss! Have you NO imagination? <g>. Don't all the shiny slime trails make you a _little_ uncomfortable? >To repeat the point I've been trying to make: If the world is >really run by a small conspiratorial group, they've messed up >badly by making things more open and less conspiratorial than >they used to be. That, at least to me, suggests that the >conspiracy probably doesn't exist. Every grudging advance we make is in _spite_ of the lot that you maintain is not there. >>>Does that mean the conspiracy has less power? >>No -- just _refined_ lo these many years! <g>. Even Lincoln said >>that as a result of the civil war our corporations were >>enthoned, and total power would fall to fewer and fewer hands >>until the republic was destroyed. >Sure, and around 1945 Theodor Adorno, the left-wing German >philosopher, then living in the US, said that corporate control >had spread to every nook and cranny of society, and couldn't be >increased any further. The DOW was about 200 then, wasn't it? <g>. Corporations have a pervasive global impact that removes them from the estimations you provide here, Mr. S.. That was then; this is now. >But what does either quote prove? >Besides, corporate power is not the same thing as a conspiracy. It _is_ when they cooperate against the law. My folks lost money in the S&L debacle, hoss. Did yours? Government and business happily cooperating to rape little old granny ladies. What do you find defensible about that? >To my mind, there's only a conspiracy if you can prove that >corporations make detailed plans together and cooperate in >carrying them out -- and that, I think, can pretty well be >disproved simply by reading the business section of any good >newspaper. Mr. Sandow -- I'm amazed that you can even say that! If I didn't know better I would think you were being contrary for contraries sake! Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 99 12:34:22 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:14:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:09:46 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:14:43 +0100 Hi, Jenny and Dennis, >>But I am glad he [Hynek] is not around to see some of today's >>ufology. I fear he would be sad at some of the mercanary >>exploitation that goes on. Allen was far above all that. >And you're right -- Allen was above all that. So much so that he >sold the rights to what became "Close Encounters of the 3rd >Kind" -- one of the highest grossing movies of all time -- for a >miserable pittance and a song. ($10,000 if memory serves.) Too >bad. CUFOS could have used the extra money. Now more than ever. >Are you aware that they're in severe financial difficulties and >may not survive the millennium? Allen, who was a wonderful, kind, and witty guy, great fun to be around, was virtually the definition of an absent- minded professor. He was certainly no businessman. Not even his worst enemies could accuse of an excessive interest in profit-making. He certainly could have made far more than he did from his post-Blue Book association with UFOs. He deserved it. And if he had, as Dennis suggests, CUFOS would also have benefited. >Look, I liked Allen as a person, too, but let's not turn the man >into some sort of beknighted UFO saint he wasn't. By some >accounts, he came to like the microphone and camera a wee bit >too much in his later years -- and his own UFO research suffered >accordingly. He did much, just as he left much undone, an >epitaph I'm sure most of us would be happy to share. I think Dennis has it about right. Allen had his virtues and his faults, like all of us, and he made his share of mistakes. There is no point in turning him into a plaster saint, and any rounded picture of him as a figure in UFO history has to take into account the late James McDonald's hard-hitting criticisms of Allen's blunders, occasional opportunism, and intellectual timidity. On the other hand, if UFOs one day are proved to exist, history will surely be much kinder to Allen Hynek than many of his contemporaries were. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 New Italian UFO-X-files web site From: Alfredo Lissoni <alisson@tin.it> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:09:41 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:03:40 -0400 Subject: New Italian UFO-X-files web site Please, visit the new Italian UFO-files page in the officiale Home Page of the Italy's National UFO Center http://www.freeweb.org/newage/ufologia/1summary.htm (all in english) Best wishes Alfredo Lissoni
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Loy Pressley <lkpres@koyote.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:46:02 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:04:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:44:01 -0300 >We can see how serious he was first chosen to investigate UFO >phenomena. He did not believe in UFOs but after he saw so much >true evidence, he changed his mind and began to study UFOs and >the truth about them. It might be good to keep in mind that Dr. Hynek was also responsible for the "swamp gas" explanation for UFO sightings. He gave this explanation for UFO sightings while he was assigned as the sole professional astronomer consultant assigned to Project Blue Book. Dr. James E. McDonald severely criticized Dr. Hynek for this preposterous explanation to which Dr. Hynek alluded to the fact that he had to "bow" to the pressures put on him by the government to explain away all UFO sightings as natural objects or loose his job. Although McDonald had high hopes for the credibility of the Blue Book project when Dr. Hynek was first assigned as consultant, he soon lost faith in the program after he found out that Dr. Hynek was just another spokesman for the "party line". McDonald and Hynek had several emotional discussions where McDonald berated him publicly for not standing up for what he believed. Loy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 99 15:09:11 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:12:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>>>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >Whoa! I "seem to be saying" that I took exception with your >thinly veiled suggestion that there should be a list of >forbidden works. I have no idea what "thinly veiled suggestion" you thought you read, and I'm not sure what "a list of forbidden works" is. Perhaps you can clarify. Some works, however, have done huge harm to civilization, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is among the most notorious of these. For details, see Norman Cohn's classic work on the subject, Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (1969). The point is that conspiracy theories are not harmless nonsense but demonstrably destructive delusions whose consequences are sometimes violence and tyranny. The rest of you, I'm sure, understand that this is not the same as an argument for banning conspiracy literature. Our correspondent here seems to have a hard time figuring out the difference. >>What I was urging, as all non-conspiracist readers easily >>figured out, was that Jeff Rense exercise his position as >>editor of a website to keep the discourse rational. >By whose standard? By what rules of this *civilized* society? >Who among us shall you _choose_ to designate the group of >priests forming the council deciding a description for this so >easy to identify "rationality"? If you think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion -- which is what the discussion re Jeff Rense's website was about -- is an arguably rational work whose authenticity is still an open question, then no doubt you are susceptible to other, er, unusual notions. (It also makes me wonder about your fervent insistence that you are not a bigot.) Do you also believe flat-earth theories are irrational only by the standards of "priests"? Do you believe the Milky Way is in fact fairy dust? Do you hold that standards of evidence are irrelevant to discussions of real-life issues, that one opinion, however uninformed, is as good as another, however knowledgeable? Get a grip, my friend. >>Such is the price we >>pay for free expression. >Your tone suggests that it is a price _you_ don't want to pay. To the contrary, it is a price I am happy to pay. The alternative, a tyranny ruled by believers in conspiracy theories (as, for example, Stalin, Hitler, and Milosevic [all of whom, by the way, have their admirers among today's conspiracy theorists]), is infinitely worse. Anyway, in the end good ideas drive out bad ones, which is why, in free societies like ours, conspiracy theories are well out there on the fringes. >>>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>>conspiracy. >>>>Precisely. >>>Then I suggest your delusion is your own, sir, contributory to our >>>ufological malaise, and unfortunate. >>The "ufological malaise," of course, is not that ufology's >>rational members, like all sensible people, reject conspiracy >>theories, >Reject all the _theories_ of it that you want! Just don't >pretend that it doesn't exist. It exists -- richly. What exists, richly, is your paranoid imagination, which you have frequently and even eloquently demonstrated. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 ELFIS - London Otherworld Reality Conference From: Stephen MILES Lewis <elfis@io.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:19:16 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:25:36 -0400 Subject: ELFIS - London Otherworld Reality Conference OTHERWORLD REALITY Exploring the Ontological Status of Imaginal Consciousness London Conference Journal SMiles Lewis www.elfis.net I once chanced across the ocean and tubed thru a glass darkly. My exploration into the ontological alien Otherworld Reality across the Atlantic began with a flight from Tejas to O'Haire. While at the Chicago leg of my journey, I sat sipping my last Dos Equis lager while watching the UFO themed CNN Airport segue between endless reports of Littleton copycats and Kosovo bombings. Once aboard the overseas flight I again had the opportunity to observe the four distinct visual phenomena of my own eyeballs at play against the blue and white backdrop of the clouds and sky. I sat in the cramped seat for eight and a half hours drinking booze at thirty thousand feet next to the very friendly director of one of Chicago's largest downtown Presbytarian churchs. We talked of the paranormal speakers the church had hosted there regularly as well as his wife's interest in spiritualist mediumship. We also talked about his church's appearance on the show we were watching, Early Edition; a paranormal precognitive moral drama from the creators of Touched By An Angel - part of the religious CBS agenda. Then the main feature fills the monitors, Enema of the State, the NSA/Echelon mythos perpetuated to encompass recent net-minded wire-tapping legislation. I didn't sleep. Dawn came and I could finally see the craggy coast of some imaginal realm below. After a time I could see a distinctly alien countryside. A completely irregular patchwork of plots totally dissimilar to any in the States. Patches of bright yellow which I assumed to be raip. We circle and circle and circle and circle. I see more aircraft buzzing about than I have ever seen in one area before. There are small trash fires burning throughout the countryside. The word is given and suddenly we descend through a veil of clouds obscuring the "real London." Bursting through the layer of fluffy tufts we are greeted by evidence of a not too alien civilization. Within seconds we are three thumps of the wheels to the tarmac. The cabin musak opens with the symphonic presentation of the main theme from E.T. the ExtraTerrestrial. Through my cabin window I see the 60's sci-fi look of the Heathrow terminals. Interminably long terminal tunnels I would soon be walking through, forever. Breezing through customs and the tubes I find myself back above ground and in the northeast quadrant of central London, sweating and hefting as I stumble feebly toward my goal: sleep in a comfortable hostel environment. Trying to focus on this goal I am distracted by a green skinned 'grey-alien' sitting meditatively cross-legged in the shop window to my left. A block and a half and three flights of stairs later my head found its target, the feather pillow. Sleep came heartily. Conference Day 1 Saturday 5/1/99 It was an irony for me to be in such a mythic realm as that of Central London in order to attend a conference purporting to explore the ontological status of imaginal consciousness. Establishing any sort of ontology relating to imaginal experiences like NDEs, OBEs, Lucid Dreams, Mystic/Shamanic Visions, UFO Close Encounters, etc. is a very tall order indeed. Travelling outside of one's normal environs is sometimes enough to give one the feeling of OTHERWORLD REALITY often described in the above types of anomalous experience. My dislocation to this world across the sea with attendant sleep deprivation, jet-lag, descent into the underworld and back again helped keep my mind in a most surreal condition. With all the talk on my elist of choice (UFO UpDates) regarding the degree of reality assigned to UFO close encounters and abductions, the importance and relevance of this conference's attempt at quantifying their ontological status did not escape my attention. With this in mind I made my way across town to the Royal Society of Arts located just north of the Thames between the Charing Cross and Embankment tube stations - "Mind the Gap / Watch the Closing Doors." PAUL DEVEREUX Paul Devereux started off the conference with some general announcements. As I began to tape record the session he made a necessary request that people not record the proceedings as they were doing so and expected the tapes to be made available and HOPED that they might be able to publish the proceedings at some time in the future. He didn't sound that convincing and was lamenting the fact that it cost so damned much to put on the conference in the first place - a feat accomplished with the financial help of conference organizer Trish Pfeiffer. Among the other announcements was the disappointing absence of Jacques Vallee who "has been beset by personal problems" but whose paper would be presented by Panel Moderator Stanley Krippner. Devereux opened the conference with an abbreviated introduction of his paper presenting the Persian relevance to the realms of the Imaginal (as outlined by Henri Corban who coined the term). He spoke of Henri Corban's contribution to the terminology and researching of anomalous experience via his books Alone With the Alone, Cyclical Time and others. Devereux presented the audience with a brief overview of the why of the conference: to explore the least investigated areas of consciousness research with some of the fields leading lights. To reduce the prevailing paradigms pigeon-holeing of such disparate phenomena as shamanic visions, abductions, out of body experiences, etc. into such reductionistic areas as brain trauma and psychopathology. He outlined the three main hinderances to an assimilation of these ideas by our modern world: the numerous conditions/variables which precipitate trance induction, societal ignorance of these realms, and the aforementioned reductionism of the "Physical World Compass." He alluded to the ideas of quantum reality which would be reiterated time and time again throughout the conference; the relevance of the "quantum sea / the Tao" as the ground state of being from which information is revealed to us in the form of psychodrama and the paranormal. He characterized our modern world's imaginal amnesia by describing our status in this waking reality as akin to being "locked into a Lucid Dream." Though I wished he had the time to go into more details of Henry Corbin's ideas, Devereux's brief introduction was an excellent setting of the stage for the speakers who followed. MICHAEL GROSSO The first official speaker of the conference was Michael Grosso, philospher extraordinair. He discussed his thoughts on William Blake's take on the imaginal. Not being all that familiar with Blake I was thus not as up on his perspectives as I would have liked to have been. Nonetheless he did elaborate on Blake's ideas of the after-life as being the imaginal realm. He spoke of the imaginal's power through image and of the image's importance to all mention function. Talk of placebo effects, psychosomatic and endosomatic phenomena led to examples of weeping icons, telepathy, psychokinetics, voudoun and much more. He not only spoke of anomalous phenomena but also of the relevance of transpersonal psychology, psychedelics, and religion. Blake said "less than all can not satisfy men." In Blake's philosophy, we are told by Grosso, we see a deconstruction of Christianity and its Apocalypse myth. He sees a relationship "between consumerism and the poverty of imagination." Blake's paradise was a state of consciousness epitomized in the statement "Jesus (is) the imagination." Blake saw in Christ's words and deeds the knowledge that war and intolerance equals a lack of imagination and insight into the Other. "Forgiveness transcends memory" for "image is not memory . . . memory is sensory data and inference." Blake's apocalypse is the idea of Christ's resurrection on an individual, internal level of transformation. It must be imagined anew every time or it becomes dogma and violence. Grosso's speech was very well presented and as luck would have it mine was the opening question from the audience. I asked him about his ideas of the imaginal realm being the afterlife and its resonance with the film What Dreams May Come. Unfortunately, he hadn't seen the movie but did say it was an example of these ideas making their way into the mainstream cultures. The second question illicited more of a response and was from an individual whom I ended up having lunch with, along with Mr. Grosso and two others whom I will mention shortly. It was at this point that we had our first break of the day. Everyone descended back down stairs to the reception room wherein we were all able to schmooze away unfettered by the question and answer format of the conference proper. As the majority of the folk I wanted to speak to were occupied I made myself busy with a glass of water to calm my iced coffee induced jitters. Immediately I was approached by an older lady who gave me the "have I met you somewhere before" line. Actually, in this case we had "met" but only for a moment as I had rounded the corner towards the nearby coffee house. She and her man-in-tow had been looking for the conference to which I directed them forthwith. While speaking to her a younger woman with a slight Jamaican accent approached and proceeded to ask the same thing, "have we met before?" To this Mary (the first woman) and I lightly laughed and let this new person in on our joke. As it turned out, the young woman is a psychic and very interested in all of these subjects. Of course that goes without saying considering she was at such a pricey conference. So, unable to speak with the folks I wanted to, I went off to the rest room and returned for another try. This time I was at last able to meet Paul Devereux while he was with his wife Charla who introduced me as "the person I was telling you about whom we lost his confirmation information." To which he did a big head-back gesture of exasperation and apologized. I then spoke to him of my respect for his work and interest in earth lights whereby he recommended I speak to another chap who had worked on the original Hesdalen project - Mr. Jan Fjellander. Paul then got everyone's attention to draw them back into the lecture hall upstairs so that we could resume the speeches. As we moved out of the room I briefly spoke to Alan Worsley who asked if I wanted to speak with Dean Radin, as I had been hanging about them as they spoke amongst themselves. I told him the truth that I would love to speak with both of them at some point. IAN MARSHALL Next up was parapsychological enthusiast Ian Marshall who brought his knowledge of mathematics, philosophy and psychology to bare upon the possibility of human consciousness sharing these Otherworld Realities. He is Danah Zohar's husband and has cowritten several books with her. I had really hoped for Danah to be there but considering Ian's original interest and research into ESP he was a more appropriate speaker. Though I know Danah would have done a good job, Ian gave a fine paper. He began with a cursory overview of the types of personal otherworlds described variously as the imagination, (lucid) dreaming, trance, ESP, artistic creativity, and the chaotic realms of the schizophrenic. He then described some of the psychological and physiological approaches trying to quantify mind. He spoke of the Myers-Briggs approach of identifying "artistic types" as well as research into the temporal lobe. MagnetoEncephelogram's seem to be the most recent promising tool for exploring internal brainwave activity. Already this tool seems to have helped identify neuro-cohesive oscillations of 40 cycles per second within the brain originating in the thalamus. These oscillations bounce up and down, back and forth through the brain but are diminished during dreamless sleep states and cases of alzheimers. These coherant oscillations are what many believe to be possible evidence for the idea that "coherance leads to consciousness;" a concept finding more and more support in the cross over sciences of mind physiology and quantum processes. From these newer fringe perspectives to older paradigms of cultural transmission, Ian Marshall sought to outline three possible explanatory frameworks for how these inner personal otherworlds might become the shared otherworlds that were the focus of the conference. These hypotheses start with the most reductionistic theory whereby cultural otherworlds are transmitted in a way perhaps similar to on-going conceptions of Memes, memetics, and memology (see Susan Blackmore's latest The Meme Machine). Ian terms this "weak force" idea as the Beehive Theory. It pursues the possibility of transmission as solely being part of the mingling of ideas; when we view a painting or meet a person we DO take from it some minimal essence of the other person and thus their reality. Ian used the example of Jung's discovery of the German 1930's image of the Aryan myth in the collective unconscious of his patients. (I personally feel the title Beehive Theory would be more appropriate for the next hypothesis which he terms the Telepathy Theory.) In the second strongest departure from the mainstream paradigm we have the Telepathy Theory akin to concepts of the WorldSoul; a pan psychic / pan theistic model. In this hypothesis Ian and others utilize the works of he and his wife (from the Quantum Society) and especially Rupert Sheldrake's hypothesis of morhpic resonance. He cites the spectrum of telepathy cases as well as he and his wife's personal experiences of dream switching as possible evidence of such a hypothesis. He maintains that over fifty percent of people feel they have had an experience of telepathic communication. Finally, Ian discussed the theoretical framework which finds itself most distant and at odds with the prevailing paradigm, that of Other Plane reality. In this paradigm the angels and aliens represent actual entities with some intrinsic connection to the material realm. All cultures have names for the denizens of these Planes and we can not write-off the distinct possibility that they represent the ecologies of worlds which somehow coexist with our own. Ian ended his synopsis of these frameworks with yet another allusion to the research into aspects of the quantum vacuum and its probable importance to the understanding of all these possibilities. I only wish it had started where it ended. LUNCH After his speech it was time for lunch, which was to be two hours. As people milled about before leaving for food, I was able to meet Mr. Marshall and give my thanks to he and his wife for the gifts their book Quantum Society had given me in my time of need (during my GrandFather's passing when I was working on my SAC paper). Shortly thereafter I noticed Mr Grosso and others nearby. I used this opportunity to full effect and introduced myself as I had planned, with reference to Robert Larson's suggestion that I meet with him. He was speaking to a fellow by the name of Brian Johnson. Immediately Peter Rojcewicz showed up with the chap who had asked Grosso the question after me. His name is Anthony (Tony) Arcari. Well, they asked me to accompany them to lunch and this proved to be the best part of the conference so far. We went to a sandwich shop around the corner and proceeded to have, if not a great conversation at least a damn good one. Brian works with companies incorporating some of these new paradigms into their Hman Resource (ooh eck) work and knows someone who recently finished a TV piece on Area 51 which supposedly sheds new light on the locale (and its seeming abandonement). Tony is a psychiatrist/psychologist at Saybrook where Stan Krippner works. We spoke about films like Dark City, the Truman Show, the Matrix as well as the need for these new paradigms to be REALLY incorporated into institutions, from governments to corporations. After eating we sauntered over to the Thames which I saw for the first time. We walked and talked. It was a grand time indeed. We made it back to the conference where we were both delighted and occassionally frustrated by the next line of speakers. On the way up to the conference room I finally had the chance to introduce myself to Dean Radin. I was pleased to hear that he had heard my radio interview with Robert and Greg AND had looked at my web site! I told him I hoped we could talk more later. CHARLES LAUGHLIN Beginning the afternoon lineup was a man I had noticed in the audience as looking remarkably like Steven Spielberg but who turned out to be the 'co-founder of biogenetic structuralism' Charles Laughlin. His was perhaps the best given speech so far. He presented himself and his work exceptionally well. But his subject matter was like that of Ian's, good but it should have started where it ended. Mr Laughlin went to great lengths to explicate his understanding of myth as a generally much more accurate appraisal of the many hidden forces in the world around us. Through his study of "aboriginal" cultures around the world he has come to the conclusion that their myths and cosmology often intimate truths which science then goes on to prove through its own ways of knowing. Charles defines cosmology in two simple statements: it is a totality that IS, with most of its parts being HIDDEN. Giving two additional functions of myth beyond the traditional understanding of the word he states that it "transmits socially important vicarious experience" and involves the "coordination of individual conceptual systems relative to socially valued experience." With a simple overhead projection of the cycle of making and sustaining of myth/cosmology Charles explained how this process galvanized the individual experiencing of these paradigms within the overall reality of the individual's culture. He further elaborated upon this tuning in of the cosmology by outlining three points which show how the myth-ritual complex is bound to reality . . . -through the direct intuitive grasp of the order in reality -by regulating development of the individual consciousness along socially collective paths and -through enactments in the world that have real effects and consequences. Again Jung was cited. This time in reference to his secretive use of his Archetypal Amplification technique akin to a sort of associational meditation. Jung was reserved with this approach to "active imagination" due to its powerful evocative potential. If not properly utilized in a therapeutic setting the visualizer could be easily overwhelmed by the emotional upwellings of imagery. Here again is a more modern approach to Laughlin's central idea, that some aspect of the imaginal intuitive mind can apprehend universal truths and force them up through the unconscious to appear to us in the archetypal garb most suited to the nature of the thing in question. Ritualized re-enactments of myth, and all the seperate but often reinforcing individual experiencings of it, help tune in the true nature of the forces depicted within the myth. Native peoples anthropomorphic description of forces akin to the Winds are quite appropriate. This "trueing (of knowledge) references the inherant, epistemic faculty of the brain which produces a cognized world in dynamic and veridical ways in conformation to reality." Here again we have the delving into quantum approaches to mind and consciousness. Laughlin explains that the Universal Cosmology of most native peoples is "wired into reality as HUMANS." As Ian Marshall and Danah Zohar explore in their Quantum Society, humanity may be better served by modeling its institutions which govern our lives after the very nature of reality and its emergant systems, specificaly as it relates to the quantum models of mind. What Mr. Laughlin is saying is that quantum physics and traditional cosmology (from a global perspective) outlines the very ideas being researched regarding the physics of the vacuum. He cites the work of Austin's own Hal Puthoff and his sojourns into the realms of this Quantum Sea of potentiality. Laughlin again invokes the Navajo's idea of these forces as the Wind and recapitulates his insistance that such NeuroGnosis operates at the quantum level and is relevant to such things as the study of remote viewing. ALAN WORSLEY Next up was Alan Worsley, the man who had been talking with Dean and noticed my interest in him. Alan is the historic Oneironaut who first communicated from the dreamstate to people in waking reality. He did this in a sleep lab some 24 years ago. He has a very quiet, slow and shy sounding demeanor which made it somewhat difficult to hear him at times. Nonetheless, his material was some of the most interesting to me of any of the presenters. He gave much data in his presentation and left me with the urge to communicate with him more. I will focus upon his speech in particular within the next installment as a feature of the ELFIS "DreamTime Now" department. He had much of interest to abduction researchers as well as dream devotees. DARK TEA TIME OF THE SOUL I tried to talk with Mr. Worsley afterward but he was besieged by questioners for there hadn't been time for a Q&A as his speech was quite long, perhaps due mostly to his slow style of presenting. I followed him down to the reception area still hoping to talk with him but gave up for the chance to speak to others. I did so quite specificly when I noticed the name printed on one man's conference tag: it was Guy Lyon Playfair! This is the man who wrote a book in the seventies titled The Cycles of Heaven which is one of the most information packed tomes out there, then or now. It was this book which convinced me of the many strange 'energies' that can influence human physiology. He is a watery-blue-eyed man and seemed a little at a loss to speak with me but he did and we spoke enough for perhaps both our tastes. I gave him my web address despite his not having web access - "I don't even have a TV," he said. JACQUES VALLEE Once upstairs it was finally time for Jacques' paper as presented by none other than THE Stanley Krippner whom I had spoken with on a panel back in 1995 at the SAC conference. Before his speech I had the opportunity to briefly reintroduce myself. I was flattered he remembered me. I will hold off now on talking about his presentation of Jacques 'paper. Suffice to say he did a great job of presenting Jacques' outline, filling in the framework with his own experiences which were very worthwhile. I will be reviewing his topic in depth as another seperate article for the ELFIS Mind Kontrol Corner department next installment. CONCLUSION OF FIRST DAY From Henry Corbin's defining a term whose meaning is being reintegrated into modern anomalous experience research to the long overdue assimilation of quantum physics into every aspect of scientific inquiry from anthropology to parapsychology, the first day of the OTHERWORLD REALITY conference was off to a good start. But how much closer were we in this one day of talks to any new understandings of these phenomena and their relevance to our overyday lives? Were we any closer to anwering the question of "how real are these realms?" We heard over and over the reports of these strange imaginal experiences being the mainstay of indiginous peoples from around the world. We heard philosophers, mathematicians, psychologists, anthropologists, parapsychologists, and dream researchers telling us of examples of the physicality (or at least the convincing FEELING of physicality) of the imaginal. We heard theory upon theory to accomodate these bizarre encounters and experiences into the semblance of a new paradigm whose outlines we have actually begun to see. With these ideas swarming inside the cavern of my skull and that thing I call mind, me, self, I made the journey back into the underground and headed towards the sanctuary of my hostel bedroom. In the nights to come I would incorporate some of the things I learned this day into the occassionally conscious realms of my own lucid dreams. I am still, even as I write these words, pondering from moment to moment, the ultimate meaning of all I saw and heard. Little did I realize that the next day's speakers and panel discussion would open my mind further and set it ablaze to smolder, well after my own return home, to these United States of Unconsciousness. So, "tune in next week" for the second half of this review of when. . . . Next week's episode will reveal: ELFIS DreamTime NOW! -Alan Worsley's research into Lucid Dreams & their relation to abduction experiences! ELFIS MKC Mind Kontrol Corner -Jacques Vallee's WARNING for the New Millenium; Remote Viewing & the Internet! -Peter Rojcewicz's Call to Gnosis in our Collegiate Institutions! -Richard Rudgley's Ethnography of the Imaginal a Wild Global Drug Use Extravaganza! -Karl Jansen's explorations of Ketamine, the Mental Modem! -Dean Radin's presentation of the best evidence for the ontological status of imaginal consciousness! -AND the knock down drag out conflagration that was THE BEST panel member / audience participation discussion of The Millenium. Hint: It's ALL about S E X ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 ELFIS - Conference Abstracts/Bios/Links From: Stephen MILES Lewis <elfis@io.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:19:29 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:30:42 -0400 Subject: ELFIS - Conference Abstracts/Bios/Links Otherworld Reality Conference Exploring the Ontological Status of Imaginal Consciousness ABSTRACTS OF THE PAPERS (With Additional Background Links) Introductory Talk: Paul Devereux The Imaginal in Ancient Persian Religion and Modern Experience Henri Corbin coined the term " imaginal" to describe a particular state of consciousness coveted by the mystics of ancient Persia. While this was understood within a religious context, the imaginal state still occurs in people today outside of any coherent cultural context. Rather, we have a fragmented range of contexts, so we talk of lucid dreaming, alien abductions, out-of-body experiences, hallucinogenic visions, and so forth. It is a remarkable level of mind in which the senses can seem to be operative within a stable visual reality possessing full spatial fidelity - it is just that the "reality channel" has changed. Is this simply the product of neurophysiology, or is some objective, if different and non-consensus level of reality involved? Michael Grosso Death and the City of Imagination: William Blake ann Otherworld Realities Wiliiam Blake, prophet of the Mundus Imaginalis, once declared that after death we enter the world of imagination. With the help of psychical research, and related studies, we can begin to map the nature of imaginal states: their distinctive properties, and how they may relate to the possibility of life after death. With Blake as our mentor, we conclude with remarks on how this might be of use in the art of living and dying. Ian Marshall The Otherworld and the Physical World: Some Unifying Perspectives I assume a double-aspect, emergent view of the universe; its basic entities possess mass, position, charge, proto-consciousness and proto-intention. Hence neurology and physics may cast light on mental phenomena. The brain EEG or MEG of lucid dreaming or trance resembles that of waking consciousness, except for the reduced or absent response to sensory input. This gives each person a private, subjective Otherworld. Can there be other forms of input to this state, to give a shared, objective Otherworld? I will discuss three physical models which, though speculative, allow this to varying degrees. Charles D. Laughlin Imagination and Reality: On the Relations Between Myth, Consciousness, and the Quantum Sea While it is true that we may imagine worlds that do not exist, and may fail to imagine worlds that do, there often appears to be a striking correspondence between mythic stories and aspects of reality. We will examine the process of creative imagination within a neurobiological frame, and suggest a theory that may explain the functions of myth in relation to the hidden aspects of reality. True myth is peppered with archetypal entities and interactions that operate to reveai hidden processes in reality relative to the human condition. The imagery in myths in a sense "sustains the true." That is, mythopoetic imagery keeps the interpretative processes of experience closer to the actual nature of reality than rationality operating alone is able to do. Indeed, while the rational faculties can easily lead us awry, genuine myth rarely does. Explanations of events offered by traditional peoples are frequently couched in terms of mythic themes and events. This talk will focus especially upon those mythic themes that represent facets ofthe quantum universe, and which give us clues as to the relationship between consciousness, symbolism and reality. Alan Worsley Lucid Encounters in the Imaginal State: Controlled Exploration in the Realm of the Metachoric Convincing imaginal experiences - dreams, OOBEs, NDEs, alien abduction - occur unexpectedly to people who are unprepared, possibly frightened, with specific cultural expectations. In these circumstances ontologicai considerations ("Is it real?") tend to be neglected. Consequently, coherent informed pre-arranged experiments concurrent with the experience are unusual. Techniques to induce comparable experiences predictably while maintaining clarity of thought allow intra-state experiments to investigate phenomenology. They afford opportunities to observe, even guide, subjective content and also obtain physiological measures (EEG, brain scan). Evidence thus gathered and verified suggests induced alternate realities can be as remarkable and realistic as spontaneous cases. Jacques F. Vallee The Rise of the Replicants: Four Scenarios Impacting Consciousness in the Years 2000 - 2025 At a time when the stability of the world's economy is in question, and the technical community faces its greatest challenge ever in the passage to the Euro and the Year 2000, it is not difficult to think of dramatic developments impacting the human environment. History teaches, however, that profound change in consciousness is subtler than mere extrapolation of today's crises. Here we attempt to reframe several future scenarios around fundamental issues: will the development of novel technical structures such as the quantum computer challenge the very notion of what it means to be human? Can the new communications media continue to grow without precipitating a major restructuring of social systems, and what are the implications? Survival (both individual and societal) will mean something different in the next century, and so will novel spiritual movements based on the Web. These developments will carry danger as well as seduction. Those who try to ignore them may find themselves trapped in visionary fantasies with which humanity hasn't had any previous experience. Day Two Line-Up Peter M. Rojcewicz Beware the Physical in the Material: Imaginalia, Folk Belief and the Eclipse of the Literal Imaginal phenomena are first and foremost archetypal images, self-originating and autonomous manifestations of the psyche, fundamental ground of mind and nature. Our every idea, perception and bodily sensation is a psychic event existing first as an image. AlI realities physical, social, mythic, religious - are inferred from psychic images. They are the fundamental stuff of consciousness. The continuum of extraordinary imaginal encounters with ETs, fairies, dream figures, angels, ghosts, Men in Black, apparitions and other anomalous entities are archetypal images of ontological and epistemological complexity. Their paradoxical nature is described in folk belief traditions as simultaneously psychic and somatic, physical fact and creative fiction, personal and impersonal. Archetypal images are simultaneously immanent in and between people and transcendent of people. We can never be sure if we invent them according to patterns they set, or they invent us. Any definition of imaginal reality is, therefore, an approximation at best, a metaphor remaining "as-if." Imaginal encounters help us to recover a mythopoetic vocabulary of the soul. Imaginalia are nudges by the soul toward developing the capacity for personifying images as real "persons" and assuming an aesthetic perception of reality. Extraordinary encounters with imaginal others returns the psyche/soul to its non-human imaginal ground. Our century has lost vital contact with soul, seeing it as an outdated notion. When we can see deeply through images to realities beyond the literal, we enlarge our imaginative capacities and expand the soul through aesthetic modes of knowing. It is as if the ego must undergo encounters with non-human entities or abductions to otherworlds of the soul where we ourselves are images, in order to help us recover our aesthetic ability to take in the world and see images as true realities and actual powers. The images we create in turn create us. The ways we imagine the world provide us with images by which we view ourselves. As such, encounters with imaginalia are experiences of death. We die to the ego's illusion of ourself as a literalism of biology and society when we realise that we are multiple personifications of the life of images within us, objectitied images of the imagination. By engaging imaginal persons immanent in all people, things, and events, we realise that the greater part of the soul is outside the body and thereby shatter the illusion of the world as without psychic life. A life lived along the psychic and extrapsychic continuum of imagination avoids spending itself in either unrestrained sensual materialism, or tinker bell-headed spiritualism. Folkloristic, aesthetic, and archetypal perspectives will be used to discuss the movement of consciousness toward imaginal perspectives. Richard Rudgley The Ethnography of the Imaginal Henri Corbin used the term imaginal in order to provide an adequate cultural translation of Iranian notions concerning the faculty of imagination, finding our word imaginary having been subverted by reductionist thinking. The relevance of his pioneering research in this sphere has not been appreciated by anthropologists. The potential of an 'ethnography of the imaginal' is outlined. The idea of the imaginal world is used in the interpretation of Amerindian and Melanesian cosmologies. Particular emphasis is placed on shamanism and ritual activities involving psychoactive plants. Indigenous beliefs concerning the ontological status of the imaginal world (and the role of hallucinogenic agents in entering altered states of consciousness) are compared with our own cultural ideas. Cross-cultural study reveals that the ontological and social status of imaginal consciousness is radically different in many indigenous societies and that our own denigration of this human faculty is the exception, rather than the rule, in human cultural experience. Karl Jansen Ketamine (the Mental Modem) and the Near-Death Experience Ketamine (K) is a dissociative anaesthetic which can produce trips to other realities which are identical to near-death experiences. In this session, I will discuss the most recent explanations for this finding. These range from events in the brain itself to the possibility that the brain acts as a transceiver, converting energy fields beyond the brain into features of the mind - as a television converts waves in the air into a visible and audible drama. K may retune the brain to provide access to certain fields which are usually inaccessible. This retuning may open doors to realms which are always there, rather than actually producing those realms, just as the broadcast of one channel continues when we change channels. The dramatic effect on the mind of adding K to the brain raises important questions about the relationship between the Universe, Spirit, Mind, and Body. Dean Radin "No career track for parapsychology. Reality isn't what it used to be." (No Official Abstract Available) Audience/Panel Question and Answer Session Moderated by Stanley Krippner -Imaginario -States, Structures and Planes -Sex, Gender and Everything -Dreams, Lucid, Psychic and Otherwise BRIEF BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION Michael Grosso received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Columbia University where he also studied classics. He is presently chair of the Philosophy and Religion Department at New Jersey City University. His main interest is in consciousness, creativity, and the parapsychology of religion. Books include: Frontiers of the Soul, Thg Millennium Myth, and Soulmaking: Uncommon Paths to Self-Understanding, he has also published many articles in popular and scholarly journals on topics ranging from Marian visions to out-of-body experiences. He is currently completing a monograph titled Consciousness and Survival: Expanding the Paradigm for The Institute for Noetic Sciences. Recently he wrote several papers and gave presentations on the theme of what he calls "creative dissociation." The latter studies in dissociation led Grosso in 1995 to take up again his early love of painting. His work attempts to bridge the gap between surrealism and psychical research. He has opened a studio in Warwick, New York, and exhibits in NYC. Website address: http://www.parapsi.com http://www.njcu.edu/core.htm http://www.helsinki.fi/kasv/nokol/blake.html http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/blake/ http://www.hutchison.org/allen/poetry/poets_a_to_h/william_blake/index.html http://207.200.73.135/Society/Religion/Spiritual_Personalities/William_Blake/ Karl Jansen was born in New Zealand where he graduated as a medical doctor. He then completed a research degree in human brain science, and moved to the University of Oxford, England, where he gained a Ph.D (D.Phil.) in clinical pharmacology, focussing on the mind/brain interface. Moved to London to train in psychiatry at the Maudsley and Bethlem Royal Hospitals: is now a Member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. His current main interest is in uniting lessons from altered states of being with aspects of quantum physics to develop a 'quantum psychiatry.' He is based at the new South London and Maudsley NHS Trust, and welcomes messages so mailto: K@BTInternet.com http://skepdic.com/nde.html http://lycaeum.org/drugs/synthetics/ketamine/ http://lycaeum.org/drugs/synthetics/ketamine/Ketamine_NDE_Model.html http://lycaeum.org/drugs/synthetics/ketamine/Ketamine_near-death.html http://www.promind.com/bk_ye4.htm http://maps.org/news-letters/v07n2/07221bbc.html http://www.resproject.com/ http://www.entheogen.com/ Stanley Krippner, Ph.D. is Professor of Psychology at Saybrook Graduate School in San Francisco. A leading researcher and teacher in the field of consciousness studies, he has in many books and more than 500 articles investigated developments in consciousness research, education, and healing. In 1972, in Tokyo, he read the first paper on parapsychology ever accepted by an International Congress of Psychology. He has served as president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, the Parapsychological Association, and the American Psychological Association's Division of Humanistic Psychology and Division of Psychological Hypnosis. He is a Fellow of numerous other institutions and is co-author of The Mythic Path, and co-editor of Broken Images, Broken Selves: Dissociative Narratives in Clinical Practice. http://www.saybrook.org/ http://www.saybrook.org/sayfac.k-l.html#Krippner http://www.intuition.org/txt/krippner.htm http://www.nfgcc.org/20.htm http://www.psiexplorer.com/asc.htm http://www.psiexplorer.com/asc2.htm http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/ecstasy_mdma.html (wrote foreward) http://paranormal.o.se/book/advances_in_parapsychological_research/vol_5.html http://goertzel.org/dynapsyc/1996/stan.html http://www.asdreams.org/search.pl?type=insensitive&search1=krippner&paths=basedi r Charles D. Laughlin, PkD. is Professor of Anthropology at Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada. Trained in both ethnology and in the neurosciences, he is a co-founder of the neuroanthropological theory of consciousness and culture called "biogenetic structuIalism" and has done ethnographic fieldwork among the So of Northeastern Uganda, Tibetan lamas in Nepal and India, and the Navajo in the American Southwest. His interests focus on religious ritual and states ofconsciousness, healing systems, sacred symbolism, cross-cultural dream phenomenology, the evolution of brain and technology, and the biophysical interface between conscious brain activity and the structure of the quantum universe. http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/biogen.htm http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/articles.htm http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/history.htm http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/allabout.htm Dr. Ian Marshall studied mathematics, philosophy and psychology at Oxford University, then medicine in London. He has been involved in hospital psychiatry and in Jungian and humanistic therapies, and is now in private practice as a psychiatrist and psychotherapist. He has published papers on ESP, quantum physics and consciousness. Books co-authored with his wife Danah Zohar are The (Quantum Self(1990), The Quantum Society (1994), and Who's Afraid of Schrodinger's Cat? (1998). They are now completing Spiritual Intelligence, to be published world-wide in early 2000. Dean Radin, Ph.D. has alternated between conventional telecommunications research (Bell Labs and GTE Labs) and experimental studies of psychic phenomena (Princeton, Edinburgh, and Nevada Universities, and SRI International). He was elected President of the Parapsychological Association in 1988, 1993 and 1998, and has received numerous research awards. Author of The Conscious Universe, 1997, and over a hundred journal articles and technical reports, Dr. Radin presently works at a major Silicon Valley think tank on theoretical and technological aspects of psychic phenomena. Peter M. Rojcewicz, Ph.D. is a folklorist and Chair of Interdivisional Liberal Arts, The Juilliard School, New York City. Has taught and frequently lectures at the C.G. Jung Foundation, NYC. Was invited to Dharamsala, India, by the Fourteenth Dalai Lama to speak on the nature of imaginal phenomena. He is an award winning teacher and recipient of the Worcester Poetry Prize and the National Library of Poetry Award (2nd prize). See his article on the imaginal entitled "Between One Eye Blink and the Next: Fairies, UFOs and Problems of Knowledge" in Peter Narvaez, ed., The Good Peopk?: New Fairylore Essays, 1991. Richard Rudgley is currently based at the Pitt Rivers Museum, Oxford, undertaking research into the prehistoric and ancient use ofpsychoactive plants. In 1991 he became the first winner of the British Museum Prometheus Award which resulted in the publication of his critically acclaimed book The Alchemy of Culture: Intoxicants in Society (British Museum Press, 1993). He is also the author of The Encyclopaedia of Psychoactive Substances (Little Brown. 1998) and Lost Civilisations of the Stone Age (Century, 1998). Jacques Vallee was born and educated in France, where he graduated from the Sorbonne and Lille University with a master's degree in astrophysics. Coming to (Austin, Texas) in the United States in 1962, he obtained his doctorate in computer science at Northwestern University, where he was a close associate of Professor J.Allen Hynek, the Air Force's scientific consultant on the UFO problem. While he pursued a career in computer science, Dr. Vallee wrote extensively on technical and scientific subjects. His diaries, covering many aspects of paranormal research in the United States and Europe, have been published under the title of Forbidden Science, complementing his trilogy on UFO studies: Dimensions, Confrontations and Revelations. Jacques Vallee has also published several science-fiction novels in French, and was awarded the Jules Verne prize for a space-opera entitled Le Sub-Espace that anticipated current theories about non-human consciousness in a universe with multiple dimensions. Alan Worsley is a psychologist and author, and conducts independent instrumented research into consciousness during sleep, dream guidance and lucidity induction. In 1975, at Hull University, England, he made the first communication from dream state by coded eye movement signals recorded by Keith Hearne on EEG polygraph. In the 1980s, he was subject and experimenter in experiments at St Thomas's Hospital, London, with Peter Fenwick, using conscious dream control to study correspondence between reported dreamed events and actual physiological activity. This study demonstrated Morse code communication from the dreamer, and, by showing the dreamer's ability to receive and acknowledge coded signals, possible two-way communication with and between dreamers. http://www.au.spiritweb.org/Spirit/dream-faq.html http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/papers/fatherx/toc.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D051788710X/ THE CONSCIOUSNESS CONNECTION emailto:TCC@liminal2.demon.co.uk Phone/Fax: UK: (01608) 652829; USA: (914) 967 0322 Formed to address the more neglected questions in consciousness studies, and to help promote a greater convergence of thought within the Field. Directors/Co-Founders Paul Devereux. Author, international lecturer, broadcaster, and consultant. Has written twenty books to date (1979-1999), and his writing spans the range from academic to popular on archaeological and consciousness research themes and geophysical anomalies. Recent book titles include: Re-Visioning the Earth, The Secret Language of the Stars and Planets (with Geoffrey Cornelius), UFOS & Ufology (with Peter Brookesmith), and The Long Trip. Peer-reviewed papers have included: 'Three-dimensional aspects of apparent relationships between selected natural and artificial features within the topography of the Avebury complex'. in Antiquity; 'Acoustical Resonances of Assorted Ancient Structures' (with Robert Jahn and M Ibison), in Journal of the Acoustical Society ofAmerica; 'The Archaeology of Consciousness', in Journal of Scientific Exploration. Is currently at work on three new books, and engaged (1999-2000) upon an extensive field research programme on 'shamanic landscapes' throughout the Americas. He is a Research Fellow of the International Consciousness Research Laboratories (ICRL), Princeton, and takes part in collaborative research on lucid dreaming, ancient sites dreaming, and geophysical anomalies. He is director of The Dragon Project, UK. Paul Devereux is also a speaker at this conference. http://www.acemake. com/PaulDevereux Charla Devereux. Author, lecturer, and organizer of international conferences and symposiums. Senior program analyst, IBM; founder and executive vice-president of The Natural Oils Research Association; co-founder/co-organizer with Dr. Keith Shawe (National Research Institute, UK) and Professor James Simon (Purdue University, US) of the International Training Program in Essential Oils: Advanced Studies - the first academically certified course in its field in the US. Has developed an introductory course for aromatherapy, and is founder of Arome Essential Oils. Books have included: Diet Logic; The Aromatherapy Kit; The Lucid Dreaming Kit (with Paul Devereux). Recent lecture presentations include: 'Food as Medicine for Mind and Body'. New Aspects of Whole Health and Food Quality, Schweisfurth Stiftung, Neuss, Germany, 1998, and 'The Practice of Aromatherapy', 20th Congress, International Federation of the Societies of Cosmetic Chemists, Cannes, France, 1998. Member of the Education Steering Committee to establish educational standards for aromatherapy. Advisor to The Environic Foundation International, Washington D.C. Has co-organized and hosted specialist tours in England, Scotland, Egypt. Trish Pfeiffer. Career in marketing; a researcher in the Parapsychology Foundation's lab in NYC; founder and former director of the Center for Exploring New Dimensions of Consciousness; a founder of the Marion Foundation in Marion, MA; serves on the Advisory Board of The Friends of the Institute of Noetic Sciences (FIONS). Lifelong researcher in consciousness studies, quantum physics, anomalous phenomena, philosophy and alternative models of reality.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 *U* Map: North America 1947 From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:18:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:35:07 -0400 Subject: *U* Map: North America 1947 Dear list: The link below connects directly to my UFO map of North America for 1947. Out of 569 sightings listed in the *U* Database, some 504 were in North America. These show as white dots. http://www.jps.net/larryhat/NAM47.html Note some interesting alignments. One runs SE from South-central Washington state, thru Oregon, Idaho into Utah at a 45 degree angle .. much of this territory is still desolate. Another follows the US99 (now I-5) corridor from Puget Sound down thru central California. Numerous sightings seem to hug either side of the 40th parallel (latitude) thru the Eastern states. Other groupings (New Mexico) seem to defy population statistics .. Be sure to click on the "daily histogram" link, at the lower right of the map. The needle sharp surge in UFO reports in June & July 1947 is inexplicably followed by an even steeper decline. Similar map - histogram display pairs are presented for other wave years, 1950; 1952; 1954; and so on. I hope you all have some time to look around the website. It took 15 years to gather the data. Best wishes - Larry Hatch North America: 1947 Sightings here are shown as 3-pixel white marks for visibility. While all 1947 events are shown, the vast majority took place in July alone. The size of this wave was as unprecedented as it was unexpected. Terms like "great airship" and "ghost rockets" fell by the wayside. The Flying Saucer age began with a bang. Note the string of sightings extending southeast from Washington State. Other groups and alignments as well as oddly "unvisited" areas, seem to invite speculation. New Mexico and southern Idaho are full of reports, but very few from upstate New York, or western Pennsylvania. California, as usual, takes part in any strange series of events. Return to MAPS menu Home Page. See also: Daily Histogram Statistics Menu.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 News Release From Nick Redfern, 16 MAY 1999. From: Mark Hall <capn_black@msn.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:58:33 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:39:29 -0400 Subject: News Release From Nick Redfern, 16 MAY 1999. I have been asked by Nick Redfern, to issue the following press release from himself:- NEWS RELEASE FROM NICK REDFERN, 16 MAY 1999. UFOS, THE OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT AND THE JOINT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE - A BREAKTHROUGH. Has the British Government ever employed the use of the Official Secrets Act to silence those implicated in the UFO subject? To those armchair researchers who proclaim that such an idea is absurd, I say: 'Think again.' In my first book, A Covert Agenda, I presented clear evidence via officially-released documents now available at the Public Record Office at Kew, that in both 1953 and 1956 orders were circulated throughout the RAF warning personnel not to talk about the UFO issue outside of official channels; however, the records which had been declassified at the time I wrote the book did not directly reference the OSA or its potential use from a ufological perspective. Nevertheless, I was also able to present the testimony of a number of individuals (some with media ties) who asserted that the OSA had been used to keep the truth surrounding UFOs under wraps. Via a file that I secured only days ago from the PRO, however, I am now able to prove conclusively that UFOs and the Official Secrets Act go hand in hand. Exactly why the Government has chosen to release this file is a mystery in itself, given that it sharply contradicts past assertions. The file in question (titled 'UFO Policy') covers the period 1958 to 1963 and revolves around UFO investigations undertaken by various Air Ministry departments during that time frame. Contained within the file is a 6-page document dating from December 1960 and circulated at 'Secret' level throughout the Royal Air Force. Like earlier papers, it details the procedures to be followed in the event that military radar operators, RAF pilots, civil pilots or members of the public should report a UFO. Interestingly, however, the paper in question contains two eye- opening revelations. First, it states that in situations where UFOs were tracked on radar, any military aircraft in the vicinity were to be diverted from their normal flight to 'investigate the phenomena'. Second, and far more significant, is the Air Ministry's overwhelming desire to prevent the media and the public learning about such intrusions, trackings and interceptions. I quote from the paper in question: 'The Press are never to be given information about unusual radar sightings. Unauthorised disclosures of this type will be viewed as offences under the Official Secrets Act. Although brief in nature, this document (which remained in use until the formation of the MoD on 1 April 1964 - how appropriate) makes it abundantly clear that the UFO issue was indeed covered by the OSA. On another - but equally important - matter, the file in question also makes a very brief reference to a pre-1959 study of the UFO mystery carried out by none other than the British Government's Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC)! Certainly, it has long been recognised that at various times since the late 1940s investigations into UFO encounters have been undertaken by the Royal Air Force, the Air Ministry and the Ministry of Defence. However, the revelation that the JIC also carried out an investigation more than 40 years ago is of great significance. Why so? First, the membership of the JIC includes not just elite personnel from the MoD, the Treasury and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, but also the heads of MI5, MI6 and the Government Communications Headquarters at Cheltenham - GCHQ! Second, the fact that (to my knowledge) no rumours have ever circulated to the effect that the JIC undertook its own UFO investigation programme in the late 1940s or 1950s, is an indication of the level of secrecy that surrounded the project. The files at the Public Record Office concerning the JIC make no reference to a 1940s/50s UFO investigation; however, I am now actively looking to resolve this issue via several methods and hope ultimately to reveal further findings at a later date. At this stage, the extent to which any of this may have a bearing on the allegations of direct UFO studies undertaken by GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 both decades ago and in the present day, can only be guessed at. NOTE: Permission is granted to reproduce the above in journals, magazines, newsletters, internet sites, books etc. Mark Hall (United Kingdom)
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All I had to do was LISTEN TO AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD TALKING ABOUT POKEMAN FOR LESS THAN THIRTY MINUTES and WATCH ONE HOUR�S WORTH OF THE PROGRAM! THAT�S IT! "Two nights ago I GUARDED two children while their mother went to an AA meeting. Among other things the little boy shared his collection of �Pokeman� cards with me. I had never heard of �Pokeman� before so I ASKED him to tell me about it. What he had to say was SO COMPLICATED, SO FOREIGN, SO BIZARRE that I made an appointment with him to watch the show with him the following day which was yesterday. I went to his house at 3:30 and watched my first episode. The boy provided a running interpretation of what was going on. Even then I could hardly keep track of the cast of characters which totals over ONE THOUSAND! In addition, some characters EVOLVE through as many as THREE STAGES. "The pace is SUPERSONIC. The dialogue at times sounds EXACTLY LIKE JAPANESE! When the young boy talked about it at times I thought he was SPEAKING JAPANESE! "In answer to one question I asked about what was going on he replied, �They miss their owners.� I DID NOT SEE OR HEAR ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ME THINK THAT. When I asked him a further question about �owners� he clarified that they were �trainers�. TRAINERS! "Between the two episodes a �humanoid� announcer was talking and between him and the camera a �fan� kept the image of him FLASHING! "In the second episode the greatest achievement is to become a POKEMAN BREEDER! "Some time before the young boy apparently RECEIVED HIS PASSWORD and went to the store and bought his �ball� with some things in it. HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL HIS PASSWORD. "I do not need to look any farther to know what this program is all about. IT IS MIND CONTROL. THIS IS HOW THE REPTILES ARE ATTACKING OUR CHILDREN. "I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION AND THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION ARE IN THIS. How do I know? It�s so SIMPLE! If I were the head of either one of these organizations I would be as a HUMAN HURRICANE demanding that this be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. It is DESTROYING OUR CHILDREN. IT IS RAPING THEIR MINDS AND TURNING THEM INTO REMOTE CONTROLLED UNITS. Since neither of the APA�s, as powerful as they are, have LIFTED ONE FINGER TO PUT A STOP TO THIS THEY ARE IN CAHOOTS WITH THE COLD-BLOODED REPTILES THAT ARE BEHIND THIS. I would say they have HELPED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND THEY ARE GETTING RICH FROM THE SUFFERING OF THESE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. "THERE IS NOTHING MORE REPULSIVE THAN THIS. EVEN AN OLD AIRPORT OUTHOUSE IN SIBERIA IS CLEANER THAN THE MEMBERS OF THE APA�S. "CHILDREN ARE BEING TAKEN OVER WHILE THEIR BODY SITS IN FRONT OF THE TELEVISION SET. "I have told you many times in the past. YOUR TELEVISION SET IS YOUR OWN PRIVATE SATANIC ALTAR RIGHT IN YOUR OWN HOME. YOU ARE FORCING YOUR CHILDREN TO WORSHIP SATAN. THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS SATANIC. "The NWO PLAN WAS TO STEAL EVERY CHILD�S MIND AND TURN THEM INTO MIND CONTROLLED SLAVES OF EVERY KIND. For example, the Columbine high school black trenchcoat murderers and the JonBenet Ramsey snuff film (remember she was MURDERED on CHRISTMAS). This is their SPECIAL BRAND OF ENTERTAINMENT. It's called THE SACRIFICE OF THE INNOCENT ONES. READ LEVITICUS. IT'S ALL THERE. "THIS IS REPTILE ACTIVITY ON THE MEAN PLANET. "WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP! �This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around No time for dancing, or lovey dovey, I ain't got time for that now...� --Talking Heads �Life During Wartime� Stop Making Sense "YES, STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF ALL THIS. �YOU AINT� GOT TIME FOR THAT NOW...� "Jana Janus Omnipresent On The Mean Planet" ------ All rants are printed �as is,� with spelling and grammar goofs left uncorrected. Some rants may be edited for brevity or clarity, to the extent such a thing is possible. If you�ve got a rant you�d like to share, send it to pscplady@aol.com with �possible rant� in the subject line of your letter. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Coming Up Soon on ParaScope! Catch a number of great stories this week on the ParaScope web site, including regular updates to our Conspiracy Newsline, UFO Roundup and Daily Dose features. Among the articles you'll want to check out: ParaScope Newsline http://www.parascope.com/articles/cnews/index.htm We've been rethinking various aspects of our site lately, trying to find better ways of delivering information to our readers and to the Internet at large. For that reason, you'll be seeing a lot of changes around the site in the coming weeks, as we redesign our site features, articles and index pages. One of the biggest changes has been the morphing of two popular ParaScope features into one: "Today in ParaHistory" and "Conspiracy Newsline" have been incorporated into a little thing we call the "ParaScope Newsline." You can also check out the Weblink of the Day, read the Quote of the Day and help effect change through positive action with the Newsline Action Alerts. Check it out, and let us know what you think! Also in the Newsline, we are currently posting letters written by Serbian cartoonist Sasa Rakezic, also known as Aleksander Zograf, the underground comic artist who created "Alas!", "Life Under Sanctions" and "Psychonaut." Sasa has witnessed the NATO assaults on Yugoslavia first-hand in his hometown, Pancevo. Sasa is staying in contact with the international alternative comics community via email, posting his reports posted here to the Comix Discussion List, a forum linking alternative comics creators, fans, scholars and publishers worldwide. Amidst the propagandistic babble of non-facts and the glorification of mechanized death which spews unabated from the U.S. media, Sasa's reports present a much more human view of the war, with more actual hard facts than you'll find in most mainstream news reports. Check it out to find out how NATO's relentless bombings are affecting the lives of the ordinary people of Yugoslavia. -------------- InTERRORgation: The CIA's Secret Manual on Coercive Questioning Second Printing Hot Off the Press When we originally obtained a copy of the CIA's 1963 "Counterintelligence Interrogation" manual, we knew it was a document that needed to be disseminated far and wide. Having no idea whether there would even be any demand for such a publication, we printed up a verbatim transcript of the entire document in magazine format, crossed our fingers, and sent out a few flyers to bookstores and distributors. The response was unexpectedly strong, and we moved the entire first print run within two years. The second printing is now available at $5.95 per copy plus $1.50 shipping and handling. To order a copy with using your credit card, go to: http://www.parascope.com/interrorgation/index.htm You can also order via check or money order payable to ParaScope; send it to our editorial operations office at 1430 Willamette #329, Eugene, OR 97401. -------------- ParaScope Magazine: Coming Soon! That's right, ParaScope is going to press with a real-life, paper-and-ink print magazine. "ParaScope Dispatch One: The Special Weapons Issue" will be a 96-page compendium of some of our best work, presented in an eye-popping 10" x 13" tabloid format. Our press date was pushed back a few weeks, but June 1 is a likely candidate now, so stay tuned for more news as we monitor the development of this heathen foetus. If you'd like to take advantage of our special introductory subscription and sample copy rates, go to <http://www.parascope.com/magazine/subscribe.htm>. But do it soon, because after the magazine comes off the press, we will no longer be able to offer these special low rates. -------------- Psywar on Cuba: The Declassified History of U.S. Anti-Castro Propaganda A round of applause, please, for Dossier editor Jon Elliston, author of the recently published Ocean Press document reader "Psywar on Cuba." For the past three years, many ParaScope readers have been reading Jon's documented reports on U.S. psywar and propaganda actions directed against Cuba as part of the overall campaign to destabilize and undermine the Cuban government. "Psywar on Cuba" compiles newly declassified CIA, Pentagon and White House documents, exposing a 40-year campaign targeting the Cuban people with a barrage of overt and covert propaganda operations. The "most intensive psychological warfare campaign ever conducted" included rumor campaigns, posters, newspapers, books, comics, newsreels, leaflet drops, and radio and TV broadcasts from airplanes, blimps, boats, submarines, secluded islands and the U.S. mainland. "Psywar on Cuba" includes hundreds of pages of previously secret documents, making it a unique and stunning contribution to our understanding of U.S. foreign policy and anti-Castro covert operations. For more information, see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1876175095/parascopeincA/ -------------- The CIA's UFO Secret http://www.parascope.com/ds/articles/ufoSecret.htm Secrets on the ground, secrets in the skies. The Central Intelligence Agency has had plenty of both. Now a declassified CIA report adds detail to the recent revelation that the government lied about early UFO reports in order to conceal overhead reconnaissance operations. Was the U-2 spy plane the CIA's real UFO secret? -------------- AURORA Photographs: Secret USAF Plane Caught in the Act? http://www.parascope.com/nb/articles/auroraPixB.htm ParaScope correspondent Alfredo Garcia recently snapped some amazing photographs of the USAF's top-secret "AURORA" aircraft. This mysterious military vehicle is purportedly propelled by a Pulse-Wave Detonation Engine, which produces loopy contrails such as those shown in Alfredo's detailed photographs. Don't miss this chance to catch a rare glimpse of the USAF's secret military hardware in action. -------------- Inside the Miami Circle (Coming Soon!) The strange saga of Florida's Native American version of Stonehenge. Enigma editor D. Trull presents an in-depth report on this fascinating Native American artifact discovered recently at a development site. Will efforts to preserve this historic site be successful? And what, indeed, is the "Miami Circle" -- a star calendar? A mystical artifact? Or just a fancy latrine? -------------- UFO Roundup http://www.parascope.com/nb/uforoundup/index.htm Get the latest UFOlogy news, sighting reports, and strange scoops on Fortean phenomena, courtesy of Joseph Trainor's UFO Roundup. Online now: Strange "Tree Circles" studied in Canada; green fireballs dazzle viewers in Ireland; UFO flap continues in southern Brazil; cops capture coyote in New York City during Blue Moon; unexplained mass animal deaths reported in the Sudan; lots more. ...All this, and much, much more! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Today in ParaScope Newsline http://www.parascope.com/articles/cnews/index.htm NATO Bombings Leading to Environmental Catastrophe in Europe The International Action Center, part of a coalition of U.S. anti-war groups, is heading a documentary mission to retrieve first-hand evidence of NATO's use of depleted uranium weapons against Yugoslavia. The group will also study the environmental impact of air strikes against chemical and pharmaceutical plants, plastics factories, refineries and other industrial targets. Depleted uranium (DU), a by-product of manufacturing America's vast nuclear arsenal, is an extremely dense metal used to reinforce large-caliber bullets and shells. The DU coating allows projectiles to penetrate armor. However, the impact produces toxic particles laden with radioactive uranium oxide. When ingested or inhaled, these particles cause a wide-range of dangerous health effects, and some researchers have linked DU to Gulf War Illness, which has plagued tens of thousands of U.S. veterans. (A-10 "Warthog" gunships fired nearly one million DU rounds during the Gulf War, and DU munitions were widely used by U.S. forces during that conflict.) The IAC delegation will be led by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, and Jeremy Scahill of Pacifica Radio's program "Democracy Now" will provide daily coverage on NATO bombing targets, focusing on the long-term environmental disaster that is unfolding in Yugoslavia. NATO's industrial targets have included: -- The pharmaceutical complex in Galenika, which is the largest medicine factory in Yugoslavia, a vital civilian target. The bombing released highly toxic fumes immediately, and has severely undermined Yugoslavia's ability to provide medicine for its people. -- The petrochemical complex in Pancevo, including the Vinyl Chloride Monomer plant and the Ethylene plant. Huge quantities of chlorine, ethylene dichloride and vinyl chloride monomer flowed out. "Workers at Pancevo, fearing further bombing attacks that would blow up dangerous materials, released tons of ethylene dichloride, a carcinogen, into the Danube," said IAC co-director Sara Flounders. -- HIP-AZOTARA Fertilizer Company's Ammonia and Power Supply divisions. A May 7 news release from the Worldwide Fund for Nature warned that an environmental crisis is looming in the lower Danube river and the Black Sea due to oil slicks. Ten million people get their drinking water from the Danube. "Of course NATO bombing is also the cause of immediate human suffering in Yugoslavia," Flounders said, "but we don't want to neglect its long-term criminal impact on the environment." In an open letter from Belgrade, the Yugoslav minister of agriculture, Nedelijko Sipovac, wrote in early May that these bombings have caused ecological catastrophe "not only on the territory of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia but on the territories of all Balkan, Danube basin, Mediterranean and European countries as well." Sipovac noted an increase in radioactivity, which he attributed to the use of depleted uranium bullets. The IAC is helping to organize a national demonstration against the war on Saturday, June 5, at the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. The protest is expected to draw tens of thousands of people. For more information on this upcoming event, contact: International Action Center 39 West 14 St., #206, New York, NY 10011 (212) 633-6646 fax: (212) 633-2889 email: iacenter@iacenter.org http://www.iacenter.org For more information on the hazards of DU, read the book "Metal of Dishonor--Depleted Uranium": http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0965691608/parascopeincA/ See also the ParaScope report "Nukes of the Gulf War," by John Shirley, at: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0197/gulfnuke.htm -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ UFO Roundup Edited by Joseph Trainor, Masinaigan@aol.com http://www.parascope.com/nb/uforoundup/index.htm UFOs Sighted in Unionville and Fairgrove, Michigan Two small towns in "the Thumb" of Michigan were the focus of UFO activity Tuesday night, March 16, 1999. "Adiel DeBoever said he was the first to call Tuscola County Central Dispatch around 8:30 p.m. March 16 just after he spotted the lights in the sky hovering over his home." "DeBoever said this is the first time he's seen lights like this. He said they were bright orange in color and looked to be shining from the inside of an object." "'The lights weren't like a spotlight shining down from the sky, but they were very noticeable,' he said." The sightings took place in Unionville, Michigan (population 590), a town on Highway 138 about 113 miles (181 kilometers) north of Detroit. "The sighting by DeBoever was just one of five reports that night by area residents who say they saw an unidentified flying object." "DeBoever, who lives on Cottage Drive near Unionville, said the lights all blinked out of sight and then came back on." "DeBoever thinks as far as distance, the lights probably were over half a mile away to the east, just above a Department of Natural Resources (DNR) wetland when he saw them." "'They spread out the entire length of a football field. There were two sets of lights which were bright orange. The large one could be seen further away,' he said. 'When my nephew came out of the house. I said, 'Eddie, there's a UFO in the sky.' just joking and then the lights blinked out, but came on again later.'" "Officials at Tuscola County Central Dispatch say they have no explanation for what the lights were that night... Shortly after DeBoever's call, Central Dispatch received a call at 8:57 p.m. from a Juanita township resident who reported seeing orange lights in the sky." "Just two minutes later, a Novesta township man called with another sighting. Callers from Fremont township and the Fairgrove area" (population 592), another town on Highway 138 approximately 13 miles (21 kilometers) southwest of Unionville, "followed. The callers described seeing orange lights in the shape of a football field, while the Fairgrove residents reported seeing a Z-shaped formation in the sky." "Officials from the Selfridge (Michigan) Air National Guard base said they couldn't offer any explanation about the lights in the sky and no sightings were reported to the base." However, Michigan UFOlogist Jeffrey S. Westover interviewed news reporter Jay Brandow of WNEM-TV, Channel 5, a CBS affiliate in Saginaw, Michigan. Westover wrote, "Brandow told me that Selfridge had sent two F-16s into the area" the night of the UFO sightings. (See the newspapers Marlette Leader and the Huron Daily Tribune of Bad Axe, Mich. for March 31, 1999, "Unusual sightings in the sky peak interest in The Thumb." Many thanks to Jeffrey S. Westover for forwarding the newspaper article.) Y2K: Marines, Navy Hold Martial Law Exercise in Florida Middle School On Thursday morning, March 25, 1999, platoons of U.S. Marines, Navy and Coast Guard personnel occupied the Hobbs Middle School in Pensacola, Florida (population 58,165). According to the Pensacola, Florida News-Journal, "The sleepy atmosphere that pervades the grounds was broken at Hobbs Middle School on Thursday morning by the sound of Marines, Navy and Coast Guard pilots marching through the school's halls." "While sixth graders in Lynnette Whitfield's geography class were watching CNN reports of a NATO airstrike against Yugoslavia, they heard a voice bark over the intercom, 'Military personnel, take your classrooms.'" "The mock takeover of Hobbs Middle School by pilots and flight students from Whiting Field was a way to illustrate what martial law is all about, said Lt. Troy Beshears, a Coast Guard pilot assigned to Whiting Field Naval Air Station" in Pensacola. "But once the sailors and Marines were in the classroom, their mission was to teach for a day subjects such as math, science, history and geography and give teachers a break." "'We're going for the shock value initially,' said Navy Lt. Dan Deutermann, 29, but in the classroom, we're showing the students practical applications for what they're learning.'" "Several students brought up questions about the Kosovo situation." "Seventh grader Corey Keenlan selected Yugoslavia when a Navy ensign teaching geography asked students to name their favorite European country." "One of Whitfield's students, Julie McCool, said the presence of the military personnel in her school made the news she'd been watching from Yugoslavia seem a little more real." "'I just don't want it to get much worse,' said Julie, (age) 12." "The visit is part of Whiting Field's Adopt-A-School program controlled by Breshears." All personnel participating in the "visit" were reportedly volunteers. (See the Pensacola, Florida News-Journal for March 26, 1999, story by Jenny LaCoste.) Bandleader Disappearance Solved After Fifty Years For years the famous bandleader Glenn Miller, whose plane disappeared on December 15, 1944, has been part and parcel of UFO lore. Miller, whose hit tunes of the 1940s included "In The Mood" and "Chattanooga Choo-Choo," was the subject of many unusual theories. The truth, however, is much more mundane. Miller's plane crashed as a result of a horrifying military mishap over the Channel. The night of December 15, 1944, Miller boarded a single-propellor-engine Norseman D-64, which was to fly him to Paris for a band concert. Meanwhile, a four-engine Royal Air Force Lancaster bomber -- one of the hundreds sent to Germany that night by RAF Bomber Command -- developed engine trouble over France and was granted permission to return to their base in East Anglia, UK. Aboard "M Mother" was airman/navigator Fred Shaw. Once the Lancaster was over the Channel, the pilot told the bombardier to jettison their load of 4,000-pound bombs. The bombardier hit the toggle, adding, "Bombs gone!" Shaw watched as the "stick" of bombs began their 22,000-foot drop into the sea. Then he spotted the Norseman approaching from the northwest. "I watched the plane flying south," Shaw wrote, "Around it, the sea bubbled and blustered with the exploding bombs. As each bomb burst, I could see the blast wave from it radiating outward. It was obvious the airplane was in trouble, so I watched intently." "Just before it went out of sight, I saw it flip over in what looked like a spin. Eventually I saw it disappear into the Channel." "'Dad was an aviation buff, and he knew what Miller's plane looked like,' Shaw's daughter Cheryl Fillmore tells Globe. 'He told me he saw the Norseman at exactly the same time Miller went missing.'" "The (M Mother's RAF) logbook, along with letters and photos of Shaw and his bomber crew are being auctioned this month by Sotheby's." (See the Globe for April 5, 1999, "Solved! Mystery of Glenn Miller's Death," by John Bell.) For more UFOlogy news and sighting reports from around the world, see ParaScope's edition of Joseph Trainor's UFO Roundup at: http://www.parascope.com/nb/uforoundup/index.htm Or drop by UFO Roundup's parent site at: http://ufoinfo.com -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Jane, Stop This Crazy Thing! Thought you were tough enough to handle the Dispatch and now you realize you're not? Starting to think you've made a wrong turn off the info highway? Well, we're only going to go over this once, so listen up! To unsubscribe yourself from Dispatch: 1) Send e-mail to: listserv@listserv.aol.com 2) In the body of your mail, type: unsubscribe dispatch That's all there is to it! 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Issue 101 - Pt 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:34:22 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:57:49 -0400 Subject: Issue 101 - Pt 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network ______ _______ ______ ------ / / // ____// /--------------------------------------- U K / / // ___/ / / / 18th May 1999 / / // / / / / N E T W O R K part 1/3 Issue 101 --- (_____//__/ (_____/------------------------------------------ The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with subscribers in 58 countries. This issue comes in 3 parts. If any part is missing please mail: ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject section e.g. Repost {101} part 1, part 2 etc. In this issue: Editorial --------- Truth! Thanks United Kingdom News ------------------- [UK 1] Three reports... i) Riddle of UFO 'the size of a battleship' ii) British Charter Jet Encounters 'Battleship Size' UFO - Pilot, Crew In Shock iii) Jet Crew tell of close encounter with UFO [UK 2] Cyber terrorist strikes [UK 3] Video sends pics to the brain [UK 4] UK Bookmakers taking plenty of bets on Armageddon [UK 5] Cigar shaped sighting [UK 6] Scottish Hotel Offers UFO-Spotting Weekends World News ---------- [W 1] Search for E.T. springs forward [W 2] The alien hunters are back at it [W 3] ET call Earth [W 4] First 'Philadelphia Experiment' Crew Reunion [W 5] Are gamma-ray bursts holding back intergalactic travel? [W 6] The 12 Best Brazilian UFO Cases [W 7] IBM in 'Project Blue Book' UFO probe [W 8] Spielberg 'Taken' By Aliens [W 9] Three reports... i) Strange lights reported on NSW and Qld coasts ii) Satellite may have been cause of UFO sightings iii) UFO link to rocket [W 10] A Way-Out Tale Snatching a few laughs from novel about UFO abductions [W 11] Home computers enlisted in search for extraterrestrial intelligence Letters ------- The Janos people Independent Video Film-Maker Needs Help Any UFO clubs in England? Obituary -------- Vivienne Olbison Birdsall Advertisements -------------- 4th Lapis International Conference - Blackpool UK Serialisation ------------- Part one of three... Foo Fighters, Fireballs and "Project Saucer." Copyright: Jim Morris. 1996/97/98 Jim Morris <dx394@clara.net> Statement, Subscription Information, IRC connecting --------------------------------------------------- How, where, and maybe even why, to find us - and what to do when you ----------=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D******************=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D---------- Editorial =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hi Dave here. My sincere appologies for the very late publication of this issue. There are many reasons for it not least moving house and a major computer crash. But enough of my problems and on with the show... Truth! Year in year out ever since the UFO phenomenon has become of interest to the mass general public things appear to have remained in limbo. I don't decry that things do change. You can almost guarantee that one or two new 'characters' will appear each year with their own unique story to tell. New documents appear irregularly via the Freedom Of Information Act and from other sources. UFO sightings and abduction reports continue. All of these fuel our hunger for information. But are we any closer to the truth? I know that if we looked at a time-line dating from say 1947 to the present day we could build up a list of main pertinent points that have come to the foreground each year. These are generally the ones that everyone remembers. If you sit back close your eyes and contemplate the whole UFO saga are we any nearer that truth we so desperately seek than we were 52 years ago? Each year the same few questions get asked time and time again. Are the governments of the world going to reveal the truth? Will ET reveal themselves to us? Are we really any closer to knowing the truth? As a population there is no doubt that today we are more informed than ever before. Information flows at an incredible rate. You only have to be connected to the Internet to know just how difficult it is keeping up to date with the bombardment of data. Sorting the good information from the bad is increasingly difficult. Even Sherlock Holmes would have his work cut out for him. In a nutshell: Yes we are wiser. Yes new characters appear. Yes peoples experiences are continually reported. Yes new documents appear irregularly. The question? Are we any nearer knowing the truth? What are your thoughts? -- Thanks uk.ufo.nw would like to thank Jim Morris for allowing us to serialise his report Foo Fighters, Fireballs and "Project Saucer." United Kingdom News =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D uk.ufo.nw says: Three reports on the sighting of a UFO 'the size of a battleship' by the crew of a British charter jet. [UK 1]****** Source: Daily Mail Publish Date: Tuesday 27th April 1999 Riddle of UFO 'the size of a battleship' Conspiracy theorists had a field day yesterday over reports that a UFO 'the size of a battleship' had been spotted 28,000ft above the North Sea. Both the Civil Aviation Authority and the Ministry of Defence confirmed they were aware of the alleged sighting but denied they were investigating it. "This may sound silly," said the CAA, "but it is a matter for the MoD." The MoD commented: "Our people are looking at it but we are not investigating." One UFO spotter declared: "Well they would say that, wouldn't they?" The mysterious craft said to be silver coloured and pencil thin with square windows along the fuselage was reported by a pilot on a private charter flight between Linkoping, in Sweden, and Humberside [UK] on February 3rd [99]. The pilot, from the Luton based airline Debonair, was flying a BAe 146 jet when the cockpit was immersed in 'incandescent light'. *** Source: Daily Express newspaper [UK] Publish Date: Wednesday 28th April 1999 British Charter Jet Encounters 'Battleship Size' UFO - Pilot, Crew In Shock By Simon Bird A British charter jet has had a close encounter with a UFO said to be "the size of a battleship". The shocked pilot and crew of a Debonair BAe146 plane reported being buzzed by "a long cylindrical object" as they flew over the North Sea. Three other pilots have also independently logged seeing the bright object 58 miles off the coast of Denmark. Last night the Civil Aviation Authority confirmed a comprehensive report of the pilot's sighting had been received. The report says the captain and crew first became aware of the object after the underside of the plane was immersed in "an incandescent light". A CAA spokeswoman said: "The captain reported seeing an unnatural bright light below his aircraft while flying at 28,000ft. The area below him was illuminated for about 10 seconds by incandescent light and it was certainly not a light from another plane. "Three other aircraft saw it moving at a high speed or static. However, air traffic control were informed and they confirmed that there were no other planes in the vicinity. "Then, five minutes later, there was a brief radar return from a spot 75 miles away. We believe there was no danger involved." The Luton-based 96-seater plane was flying company executives from Linkoping, Sweden, to Humberside airport. A spokesman for Debonair, which runs cut-price flights throughout Europe, said chief executive Franco Mancassola had been informed that a "great red light in the sky" had been spotted near one of the company's planes. At one stage, the report says, the object came to an abrupt halt before accelerating past the airliner at thousands of miles an hour. A CAA source says the object was tracked by a military radar station in Yorkshire after it entered UK air space. A spokesman for the 6,000 member British Pilots Association said: "We get reports of this nature from our members but they are few and far between. "In the past 10 years or so I would say there have been around six cases of UFO's being sighted. "Many pilots are reluctant to make such claims because it tends to lay them open to ridicule. So when they do go as far as making a report we do expect it to be given credence."A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence insisted there were no military aircraft in the area adding: "We saw nothing." *** Source: Daily Mirror newspaper [UK] Publish Date: Wednesday 28th April 1999 Jet Crew tell of close encounter with UFO A passenger jet's crew have reported a close encounter with an unidentified flying object. They said that they noticed an "incandescent" light below their Debonair BAe 146 as it headed over the North Sea from Sweden to Humberside. Then, they added, a long cylindrical silver-coloured object the size of a battleship flew alongside. The British plane's shocked captain saw what seemed to be rows of square portholes on the UFO before it vanished at "enormous speed". The crew told the Defence Ministry about their sighting. An RAF radar station tracked the object, which was seen from three other planes. [UK 2]****** uk.ufo.nw says: an occasional report of interest Source: Daily Mail newspaper Publish Date: Monday 1st March 1999 Cyber terrorist strikes By Steven Morris and Peter Rose Police are hunting a computer hacker who is alleged to have targeted military bases and tried to blackmail defence chiefs. The infiltrator is said to have attempted to gain control of a military communications satellite and altered its course, prompting alarmed officials to notify Tony Blair [UK Prime Minister]. This is alleged to have been followed by a threat to continue interfering with the satellite unless a large amount of money - possibly 3 millions pounds [sterling] was handed over. It is also possible that attempts have been made to break into the Government's high security listening post, GCHQ in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, and other British installations abroad. Police refused to go into details yesterday, because of the very sensitive nature of the allegations. A Scotland Yard spokesman would only say: "We can confirm that officers from the Metropolitan Fraud Squad are investigating allegations of a hacker believed to be targeting several different international sites, some of which may include military installations." It is understood that a team comprising the most experienced and skilled members of the squad's Computer Crime Unit has been told to trace the origin of the attacks. One source said: "This is being seen as a very big and very important investigation. "The officers involved have been told that discretion is crucial." Officially, the Ministry of Defence was denying the Sunday newspaper report that one of its four military satellites, which give crucial intelligence during actions such as the bombing raids on Iraq, had been infiltrated. A spokesman also denied that any of its military installations had been attacked - but could not explain why a police investigation had been launched. One analyst said: "It is no surprise at all that the MoD would deny this. "It is hugely embarrassing and, of course, very worrying." Hacking has become a massive concern for the Armed Forces because experts agree that the first move of an aggressor would be to attack defence computers. When British hackers broke into U.S. defence systems as the two nations prepared to attack Iraq last year, the CIA feared that the cyber spies were agents of Sadam Hussein. Thousands of attempts to crack military secrets over a frantic two week period were described as the 'most organised and systematic computer attack we have ever suffered'. The latest claims have echoes of frightening films such as The Net, about a plot to infiltrate U.S. defence systems, and War Games, in which a teenage hacker almost starts World War III. They also come two years after London music student Richard Pryce was fined 1,200 pounds sterling after being convicted of breaking into Pentagon defence computers when he was only 16 as a 'prank'. It was initially thought that a spy ring was trying to steal secrets. Pryce also hacked into the computer of a Korean atomic research institute. The Americans were then in delicate negotiations with the North Koreans and were terrified of an 'aggressive act' because it appeared the hacking had originated from a U.S. air base. [UK 3]****** uk.ufo.nw says: an occasional technology report Source: News Of The World Publish Date: Sunday 14th March 1999 Video sends pics to the brain Totally blind people are boldly going to see again thanks to astonishing Star Trek style gadgetry. Hollywood science fiction is coming true with a sensational system that will send images to the brain from a video camera mounted on a pair of spectacles - just like on screen in Star Trek: The Next Generation. In the plot, blind Starship Enterprise engineer Geordi La Forge uses this method to restore his own sight. And in real life, US boffins at Baltimore's John Hopkins Wilmer Eye Institute hope their breakthrough will cure almost half a million sufferers in Europe and America in five to ten years. Already 15 guinea-pig patients are seeing crude images and letters using the technology. One of the first successes, 71 year old Harold Churchey, said: "To see light after 15 years was wonderful. "It was blue and it was just as if someone had switched it on. It was great. And they showed me the letter H, for Harold. I had trouble seeing the bottom at first, so I thought it was the letter U. But it was clear." The revolutionary technique only works in victims of a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. Pioneer This destroys the retina - the light sensitive area at the back of the eyeball that acts much like a film in a camera. When their system is developed pioneer doctors Eugene de Juan and Mark Humayun will kit patients out with visor like spectacles containing a mini video camera. Then they will surgically implant a tiny, sealed electronic microchip just like those for home computers, in the damaged retina tissue. There it will pick up electronic video signals beamed from the camera. The chip will then do what the retina now can't do, and transmit the information about light, dark and colours as electrical impulses to the brain. There they are decoded into pictures as normal. A spokesman for John Hopkins University told us: "As with all medical progress we urge caution, and we don't want to hold out false hope. But we believe that extensive progress is being made. It's an engineering project, just like going to the moon," he said. "With time and money, you can get there." Watch this space! [UK 4]****** Source: The Guardian Newspaper - London Publish Date: 9th February 1999 UK Bookmakers Taking Plenty Of Bets On Armageddon By Helen Carter Would you put a bet on the end of the world? It might seem like a dodgy wager, since no matter what the odds, it could never possibly be honoured. But every week dozens of punters are placing bets on Armageddon, possibly inspired by the Millennium and the feeling of doom surrounding it. A survey of 1,001 adults found that 59 per cent think they have more chance of experiencing the end of the world than winning the National Lottery. Most (33 per cent) think the end will be caused by a world war, followed by global warming (26 per cent) and collision with an asteroid (15 per cent.) Bookmakers William Hill are offering odds over whether the end of the world is nigh. They are offering 100,000,000-1 against civilisation being destroyed by mass suicide. But when it comes to destruction by alien life forms, the odds shorten to 500,000-1. Floods (100,000-1), asteroids (50,000-1), famine (25,000-1), and war (1,000-1) are all covered. Graham Sharpe, media relations manager at William Hill, said many people placed very specific bets about when the world would end. "One man placed =A31 on a 1,000,000-1 bet on the world ending on August 11, 1999, at 12.50pm, while we gave another odds of 6,666,666-1 that it would end at 6pm on the sixth day of the sixth month this year. "I would estimate that we would get at least half a dozen of these bets every week." John Mason, vice-president of the British Astronomical Association, said: "Public concern about an asteroid hitting the earth is understandable but it is highly unlikely that we will see it in our lifetime. "An asteroid like the one which led to the extinction of dinosaurs hits earth only every 50 to 100 million years." Stories of a similar widespread panic as the last millennium approached are exaggerated, according to Eric Christiansen, lecturer in medieval Europe and Baltic countries at Oxford University. He said: "This was something dreamed up at the end of the 19th century. "But fear of the end of the world is regular through every generation. In 1927, thousands gathered in Weymouth expecting it to end." [UK 5]****** From: "Michael Doherty" <ronaislg@iol.ie> Location: County Donegal Sighting Date: Friday 12th March 1999 Cigar shaped sighting My name is Ronan Doherty. I am nearly 16 years of age, and I live in the townland of Galwilly in the district of Glentogher near the town of Carndonagh in the peninsula of Inishowen in County Donegal. Last night at about 20.45hrs there was a clear sky. I saw an object a few miles away at about aeroplane height, perhaps less, NW from our house. I am used to seeing planes since they cross from Scotland to the States over us. The first time I saw it was for about a minute or two, it was stationary. Its shape was long and cigar shaped, with two big white lights one at each End. There was a dim red light in the middle and a white light flashing alternatively at four different places around. It made no noise at all. I went back into the house and out again a minute later. In that time it had moved about 10 miles in a NW direction and was again stationary, but a good deal smaller. It stayed there for 5 minutes. After this time it moved off very quickly, vanishing from sight in about 3 seconds. About a couple of months ago in roughly the same area but moving in a NE direction, I saw another strange object. It did not look like a plane and was making no noise whatsoever. I saw it for about 10 minutes. Another strange happening took place at about 6.30am on Christmas morning 1998 while I was jogging in this area. I saw about eight very bright white flashes in the N direction, lighting up the whole sky. I looked and listened for news reports of something happening at that time to explain it, but the only confirmation came from a friend lying awake in his home in Derry and whose window faces N. He too saw very bright flashes at the same time. From my home to his is about 20 miles by road, 13 directly. The only reason I am contacting you is to pass on this information. I am not claiming it is a UFO; I can't explain what I saw. [UK 6]****** Source: This Is London Publish Date: 18th April 1999 From: Bernhard Nahrgang <bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net> Scottish Hotel Offers UFO-Spotting Weekends Tourists are being offered out-of-this-world weekend breaks at which they can indulge in UFO-spotting. The sci-fi themed weekends are being planned for later this year in Falkirk, Scotland, where there have been more than 350 UFO sightings reported since 1992. Organisers of the weekends, at the Comfort Inn, Falkirk, are expecting to welcome UFO-spotters from as far away at Japan and Australia. Falkirk is near the small town of Bonnybridge - where many inhabitants are said to claim to have seen an unidentified flying object. Visitors on the UFO weekends - on September 24-26 and November 19-21 - will be taken to the "Bonnybridge Triangle", the scene of sightings, and will also meet Falkirk councillor and UFO expert Billy Buchanan. Mr Buchanan has spent six years trying to convince the Ministry of Defence that it should investigate the strange sightings in the area, and has set up a pressure group called The Lights of Bonnybridge. The weekends, which include a night of skywatching complete with a midnight picnic, will cost =A3180 per person. World News =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [W 1]****** Source: MSNBC Publish Date: 12th March 1999 Search for E.T. springs forward By Alan Boyle Scientists are taking their decades-long quest to find signals from alien civilizations to its higher level yet, with new software and a renewed search campaign. Within just a few weeks, the effort could involve more than 250,000 people - arguably forming the biggest scientific team in history. THE FIRST EXTRAVAGANZA is a double-header at the world's largest telescope, beginning Monday: In a repeat of last September's first dual campaign, both receivers on the 1,000-foot Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico will be used simultaneously in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, known as SETI. So far, there have been no confirmed broadcasts from E.T., and it's unlikely that the new SETI initiatives will crack the case. But you never know: "It's always possible that we'll establish contact with E.T. in the next couple of weeks," said Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute. Dan Werthimer, principal investigator for Project Serendip, said he expects the search to yield success after another 20 to 50 years. "I'm optimistic that we will eventually make contact with other civilizations, probably in our lifetimes," he said. PRIME-TIME SCHEDULE The California-based SETI Institute will use the main radio receivers for Project Phoenix, a targeted search of 1,000 stars considered most likely to show signs of life. After years of observations, Project Phoenix has gotten a third of the way through its list. Over the next two weeks the researchers will resume the slow, methodical progress of monitoring each star for hours at a time. The project checks about 2 billion separate radio channels for each star. Last September marked Project Phoenix's first two-week session at the Arecibo telescope, and Shostak said the experience taught the researchers a lesson about "life in the big city these days - or should I say, life in the tropics these days." "There were some chunks of the microwave spectrum there ... where it was just impossible for us to do any meaningful observations," he said, due to the increasing cacophony of telecommunications satellites. Nevertheless, Arecibo figures into Project Phoenix's strategy for the next two or three years, Shostak said. The researchers will continue through their list, and by the time they're finished looking at the 1,000 prime targets, a new telescope system known as the 1HT may be ready for prime time, he said. The new system would "speed this thing up by a factor of 1,000 or more," Shostak said. ALL SETI, ALL THE TIME Meanwhile, Arecibo's other receiver is being used independently by Project Serendip, conducted by Werthimer's team at the University of California at Berkeley. Werthimer said the project monitors 167 million channels every second, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. While SETI does a slow, thorough analysis of selected targets, Serendip's "piggyback" receiver can simultaneously do a quick scan of the whole sky for promising blips. "I like the mix of strategies," Werthimer said. Werthimer said progress was also being made on yet another strategy in the SETI search: looking for transmissions in the optical spectrum from distant stars, such as bursts of laser light. Scientists at Berkeley, Harvard University and other institutions are scanning the skies for short, brilliant bursts of light as well as steady beams, he said. Berkeley's optical SETI program plans to check 2,500 stars over the next year or two. "We're really just getting into gear," Werthimer said. INTERNET TO THE RESCUE All SETI projects actually rely on computers to do the heavy lifting, and right now, the computers represent the biggest bottleneck. "Even though Serendip is probably the world's largest supercomputer," Werthimer said, "it still is not able to find the very weak signals, and it doesn't look for a wide variety of signal types." That's where you and about a quarter-million other computer users can play a part. Over the past four years or so, Werthimer and others have been working on a way to network desktop computers over the Internet for distributed analysis of SETI data. It's analogous to the techniques used to solve encryption puzzles, using tens of thousands of computers. The software they developed, SETI@home, is designed to work as a screen-saver or a background application. It would download a batch of data from Arecibo, analyze it, then send the results back to Berkeley. SETI professionals would follow up on any promising blips. In geek-speak, the 300KB batch represents about two minutes of data from a frequency band 10KHz wide. The entire SETI@home project is designed to monitor about 2.5MHz of the radio spectrum - only about half the bandwidth used by one television channel, and a 40th of the bandwidth monitored by Serendip. But that relatively small wedge of bandwidth would be subjected to intense analysis. About 250,000 people have signed up to receive an e-mail alert when SETI@home is ready for prime time - and the list is growing by about 1,000 addresses a day, Werthimer said. Werthimer said a company of about 100 beta testers would be expanded to a battalion of 1,000 in the next week or so. The current schedule calls for Windows and Unix versions of the client software in late April or early May, and a Mac version soon afterward. If 250,000 computer users actually download the software and use it, that would make SETI@home the world's largest experiment in distributed computing, said David McNett, co-founder of Distributed.Net. "It gets more difficult as the numbers get higher," McNett said. His project, aimed at solving encryption challenges and demonstrating the power of distributed computing, has attracted about 150,000 users during about two years of operation, with 60,000 users currently active. SETI@home's project director, David Anderson, acknowledges that there's a question mark about "the ability of our server side - the software and the hardware resources we have - to support the demand of what could potentially be several hundred thousand people banging on the thing at once." The challenges won't end even when the technical kinks are worked out of the system, McNett said. One of the biggest long-term challenges will be keeping people interested in a search that could take years or decades, with no certain "solution" at the end. That goes for SETI@home in particular - and the SETI search in general. "The psychological hurdles are actually the hardest ones to reach," McNett said. -[continued in part 2]-
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Issue 101 - Pt 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:34:22 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:58:17 -0400 Subject: Issue 101 - Pt 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network ______ _______ ______ ------ / / // ____// /--------------------------------------- U K / / // ___/ / / / 18th May 1999 / / // / / / / N E T W O R K part 3/3 Issue 101 --- (_____//__/ (_____/------------------------------------------ The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with subscribers in 58 countries. This issue comes in 3 parts. If any part is missing please mail: ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject section e.g. Repost {101} part 1, part 2 etc. For one thing, current technology might not cut it. Radio was discovered in this century, and knowledge of it is primitive. Anderson noted that it's always possible that if other civilizations are sending signals, they're using methods humans don't know about. "If a planet almost clear across the galaxy had a transmitter and were pointing it straight at us, we would pick it up," he said. Otherwise, forget it. If a screen saver does find something, it would be months -- maybe even a year -- before anyone knew. "There's no little red light that goes off," Anderson said. "The signal is sent back here to our database" and eventually matched up with other observations. Werthimer said if a discovery is made by someone running a screen saver, that person would get credit. "Maybe we will go to Stockholm together to get the Nobel Prize," he said. "But I can't guarantee it." SETIHome is one of the first major applications of a technique called distributed computing. It is a method of breaking a huge task into pieces that can be split among lots of computers. In the same way that it's quicker to sort a huge pile of playing cards into separate decks when all the players help, number crunching will be quicker with thousands of computers doing small pieces of it. This tag-team approach to data crunching was used originally by academics to search for prime numbers and crack encrypted messages. "SETI is kind of cool," Werthimer said, "because we can say, 'You get this piece of sky' and 'You get this piece of sky.' Not all problems can be solved this way. "We've already analyzed in two weeks what would normally take a couple of years," he said. A version of the program that will run on Windows and another for the Mac will be released in mid-May. Werthimer said 350,000 volunteers already have signed up. Leaking signals SETI often has noted that the Earth has been leaking radio signals into space for nearly a half-century, in effect sending Captain Kangaroo and Ralph Kramden as our ambassadors to the cosmos. But those signals are weak and not focused in any particular direction. Werthimer said an alien civilization would have to be far ahead of us to pick them up and make sense of them. "Right now, Earthlings are fairly restricted in looking at civilizations that are at least at our level," Werthimer said. "It's likely that the first ones we'll get in contact with are billions of years ahead of us and have already been in contact with other life on other planets. "Most astronomers think the universe is teeming with life," he said. "There are 400 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. It would just be weird to think there isn't life out there anywhere else." Werthimer said he thinks SETIHome will ignite the public's interest in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. "There is overwhelming support for SETI in this country, even though Congress cut off funding for it in 1993," he said. Since then, SETI has benefited from corporate sponsors. Microsoft co- founder Paul Allen and Intel are among the sponsors of SETI's Project Phoenix. The sponsors of SETIHome include Sun Microsystems and Paramount Pictures, which got SETI to time one of its events to coincide with December's release of the most recent "Star Trek" movie. "I'm hoping that we're reaching more people than the sci-fi, 'Star Trek' buffs," Werthimer said. "It would be nice to reach out to the people who aren't interested in science. There are a lot of interesting questions around the question of 'Are we alone?'" Related Links http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu Letters ======= From: jodun@usinternet.com (Joe Dundovic) Date sent: Monday 1st March 1999 Greetings from a MUFON member in the USA. SUBJECT: Book "THE JANOS PEOPLE" by Frank Johnson Can anyone please enlighten me on the subject book which describes the abduction of five members of an English family ? I read it some ten or fifteen years ago but have never seen it referenced in the various UFO journals or conferences. If a true story its importance is outstanding, for it is far more detailed and informative than the Betty & Barney Hill incident. But if it is true, why don't we hear more about it? For those who are unfamiliar with the book I will sketch some of the basics below. Since it is undoubtedly out of print I will be glad to mail copies of portions of the book to persons interested in finding more information about it. 1. Publisher is NEVILLE SPEARMAN of The Priority Gate, Friars Street, Sudbury, Suffolk. Date of publication 1980, ISBN o 85435 374 7. 2. Author was Frank Johnson of Worcestershire. 3. The author mentions Jenny Randles as having recommended the investigation of the abduction incident. 4. The family was identified only as John and his wife Gloria, plus their two daughters, Natasha (then aged five), Tanya (then aged three), and John's sister Frances. 5. The abduction took place on Monday, 19 June, 1978. They were driving on A417 from Reading to their home near Gloucester. Upon their approach to the town of Faringdon they saw some strange lights in the sky which appeared to be following them, so John pulled over and stopped the car. 6. The lights came closer and turned out to be a typical flying saucer with lights around the rim. The next thing they knew they were driving into Faringdon in a very strange, unreal fashion, with no memory of the saucer incident. 7. A week or two later John and the others began having dreams of being aboard a flying saucer. From a public library they got the telephone number of the "UFO hotline" for Southern England which placed them in touch with Ken Phillips and then Jenny Randles who telephoned Frank Johnson suggesting that he undertake the investigation of a "classic CE4 contact". 8. With the aid of a hypnotherapist, Geoffrey M'Cartney, Frank was able to unravel the entire story of the family's UFO experience. Natasha, the five-year-old remembered everything without the need for hypnosis because she refused to drink the "no-remember" cocktail before disembarking the ship. 9. All five members of the family were beamed aboard the saucer and were met by a welcoming party of crew members who looked like typical humans except for their clothing and hair styles. Because the ship's members were so nearly human it seems uncomfortable to call them "aliens", but they were definitely extraterrestrials. "Nordics" would tend to fit their description. 10. The family was treated in a very friendly and courteous manner. It was explained that the ship came from the planet called Janos (pronounced JAY-nos) which is several thousand light years from Earth. Their home planet, they explained, had been subjected to a catastrophic radiation explosion that killed most of the inhabitants and made the planet no longer habitable. 11. For thousands of years the remaining Janos people have been roaming the universe looking for a planet similar to theirs where they could make their new home. They find our planet Earth to be very close and an ideal place for them to settle. But they come in peace and do not wish to force the issue. 12. Members of the abducted family were given tours of the ship and were shown videos of life on the Janos planet before and after the great catastrophe. The ship's propulsion system was shown and explained. The book contains many drawings and sketches of the ship, its members, and aspects of the planet, Janos. Frank Johnson and the hypnotherapist were able to draw upon the memories of all the family members except the three-year-old, and so could create a fairly complete picture of the situation. My question to members of UK UFO NW is: It is now over twenty years since the Janos abduction incident. Has anyone ever gone back to that family to verify the story and to find out if they have been contacted again? Is the book just an interesting piece of science fiction? Perhaps it may be well known in the UK but not in the US. Someone must have authoritative answers. Feel to include this book review in one of your postings if you wish. Hopefully additional information will be forthcoming. Thank you. Best regards, Joe Dundovic uk.ufo.nw says: Can anyone help Joe out with further information? -- From: chris-e@dircon.co.uk Date sent: Monday 5th April 1999 Subject: Independent Video Film-Maker Needs Help Hello, My name is Christopher Everard. I make documentaries about earth mysteries, UFOs, crop circles and the Paranormal. I fund all my own films and refuse external editorial control, preferring to make my videos available via mail order and do not have anything to do with mainstream broadcasters. I am currently making a 2 hour "block buster" Crop Circle documentary called "CROP CIRCLE UPDATE", and am appealing to your organisation for help in research... There have been five different amateur camcorder films made of tiny silver balls or discs flying in and around fields where crop circles have formed. All this footage is from England. I would be grateful if anyone has any eye-witness accounts of similar tiny silver balls, 'lights' or discs (usually no bigger than your fist) in England, Ireland, or anywhere is the world. Ideally, I would like to include ALL amateur footage of these tiny silver balls in my next documentary. Please tell me anything you know. Thankyou. Tel: 0181 850 2109 E-mail: chris-e@dircon.co.uk -- From: "robert collins" <robert@acollins85.freeserve.co.uk> Date sent: Sunday 4th April 1999 Subject: Any UFO clubs in England? My name is Robert Collins and I live in Birmingham England.I am very interested in UFO's and I've been looking for a club in England.if you know of any clubs close by or anybody who wishes to chat to me could you please e-mail me. thankyou and I hope to hear from you soon. robert@acollins85.freeserve.co.uk Obituary ======== Vivienne Olbison Birdsall From: ADKell@aol.com Date sent: Wednesday 3rd March 1999 It is with great regret that I am writing to inform you and your readers of the death of Vivienne Olbison Birdsall, wife of Mark Birdsall (Editor of the Unopened Files and Features Editor of UFO Magazine). I have gained the blessing of her husband Mark Birdsall before writing this obituary. Vivienne was diagnosed as having cancer in September 1998. Very shortly after the diagnosis came the terrible news that she only had a few months to live. Mark and Vivienne retreated to their cottage at Hawkeswick in the Yorkshire Dales to spend the remaining time together. Mark and Vivienne being private people kept the illness very quiet and only a handful of friends and family were aware of what was really happening. Vivienne often worried more about the people who were caring for her than her own problems. Her courage throughout her illness was tremendous. Over the christmas period Vivienne was in Arden Lee Hospice at Ilkley and all she was worried about was who was going to get the Christmas presents and send the cards. At the beginning of 1999 she returned home to the valley that she love so much, and it was here that Vivienne passed away peacefully at 11.30 on Tuesday the 26th of January 1999, her husband Mark was with her as he had been throughout her terrible ordeal. I would like to finish with the words that Vivienne wrote in the book at Arden Lee Hospice: 'YESTERDAY IS HISTORY, TOMMOROW IS A MYSTERY, TODAY IS A GIFT' Rest in Peace. uk.ufo.nw says: All the staff at UK.UFO.NW would like to extend their sincere condolences to Mark, his family and the staff at UFO Magazine. UK readers will probably be more familiar with UFO Magazine (UK), probably the best selling UFO newstand publication. Advertisements ============== From: Robert Whitehead <9511957@blackpool.ac.uk> LAPIS UFO Group - 1999 Conference Information Dear Ufologists Just thought I would drop you a line to let everyone know about the '4th LAPIS INTERNATIONAL UFO CONFERENCE'. This year's conference will take place on the 4th & 5th December at the Lowther Pavillion, Lytham-St-Annes (near Blackpool), Lancashire. Speakers confirmed so far include: JOSE ESCAMILLA (USA Los Angeles): Jose now has over 2,000 hours worth of daylight UFO footage! Some of you may have seen a few of Jose's clips during a presentation given by Mexico's Jaime Maussan at Quest International/UFO Magazine's Leeds conference a couple of years ago. At our conference Jose will present what he calls 'The Smoking Gun Evidence' - that previously undiscovered lifeforms (which he calls 'Rods') inhabit the skies around us. Recent footage from Stirling, Scotland contains images remarkably similar to Jose's 'Rod' footage. Jose's website (to be found at www.roswellrods.com) contains video clips and still images of objects/creatures travelling at incredible speeds which have been analysed by top image specialists. Jose's presentations at our conference promise to be spectacular. GEORGE WINGFIELD (UK): George recently returned from a huge two-day conference in Turkey. 2,200 people each day heard evidence from George, Stanton Friedman, Bruce Maccabee, Michael Lindemann, Budd Hopkins, John Mack, Travis Walton, Eric Von Daniken and others detailing people's encounters with UFO's. The conference was a unique event. George will tell us all about it at our conference and also give details of new information he has received. Other speakers who have confirmed their appearance at our conference are: LIONEL FANTHORPE JONATHAN DOWNES NICK REDFERN & GRAHAM SHEPPARD I will give more details as soon as I get them. Serialisation ------------- Part one of three... Foo Fighters, Fireballs and "Project Saucer." Copyright: Jim Morris. 1996/97/98 Jim Morris <dx394@clara.net> The Los Angeles incident of 1942 is the only admitted UFO activity over the US during WW II. This affair heralded the coming of the "Foo Fighters." The behaviour of the objects in this case, have obvious similarities with those that would be reported by aircrews over Europe and in the Far Eastern Theatre. Despite General Marshall's somewhat ambiguous memo to the President regarding the incident, it is entirely possible that the objects were due to activities of either the United States Military/Industrial complex, or as Marshall intimates, enemy agents. Other wartime UFO reports have since come to light and some of these have to be treated with a degree of scepticism, as the bogus MJ12 "documents" have shown, unscrupulous people are prepared to go to any lengths to further their own ends. I am particularly wary of uncorroborated statements, regardless of the source. The bulk of released American Foo Fighter's reports come from Night Fighter Squadrons operating from bases in England and France. As the US 8th Army Air Force began to strike deeper into Germany and Austria, aircrews began to report encountering strange lights and balls of fire. These American squadrons were equipped initially with British Bristol Beaufighter's and H2S radar until July 1944, when they were re-equipped with the Northrop P-61 Black Widow. (*5) An item From the Associated Press, Paris, 7th November, 1944 gave an interview with the commander of the 422nd Night Fighter Squadron, O.B Johnson. "The Germans are using jet and rocket propelled planes and various other "newfangled" gadgets against Allied night fighters, Lt.Col. B.Johson, Natchitoches, La., commander of a P-61 Black Widow group, said today "In recent nights we've counted 15 to 20 jet planes," Johnson said. "They sometimes fly in formations of four, but more often they fly alone." This remark by Johnson is important, in that it is unlikely that ball lightning or any other form of natural phenomena would fly in echelon. In mid 1943, the U S 415th Night Fighter Squadron (NFS) began operational sorties over Europe on intruder missions. The bulk of the reports (released so far) were made by this squadron. (*8) R1. On December 23, 1944, Lieut. David Mc Falls and operator Ned Barker encountered a "glowing red object shooting straight up, which suddenly changed to a view of an aircraft doing a wing-over, going into a dive and disappearing." (*8) The object in this instance at least, was an aircraft. R2. 27/9/44:While in the vicinity of Speyer, at an altitude of 1,000 feet, Lt. H. Giblin and Observer W. Cleary were tailed by an enormous burning light which flew above the plane at a speed of more than 200 mph. R3. 23/11/44:"ten small balls of reddish fire" harass Lieut. Schulter over the Rhine. R4. 22/12/44:Two large orange glowing objects intercept another aircraft over Hagenau at an altitude of two miles. The objects pursued the fighter briefly before wheeling away and suddenly disappearing in the darkness. R5. 16/01/45:A "burning jellyfish" flew alongside another startled crew over Weiner-Neustadt and paced the aircraft for several miles before circling the plane and disappearing into the distance. (*8) R6. Lt. W. Gould said that in his encounter, the lights raced alongside his aircraft just beyond his wing tips, then suddenly climb at great speed to a height of 20,000 feet. The objects in R1, 2 & 4 behave as conventional aircraft, indeed, in R1 the object was identified latterly as an aircraft. R4 again conventional aircraft. The objects were, I believe, German Night Fighters. These were usually Me 110's, Ju 88's and Do 217's, the latter being modified bombers. An improved version of the Ju 88, the "G" type could reach 365 mph at altitude, and could be boosted to 389 mph for short periods. The maximum speed of the P-61 is given 369 mph at 20,000 feet. The "G" type could therefore take on a P-61 on equal terms. The problem here is that there are no reports of allied planes being attacked or brought down by Foo Fighter's! R3. Natural phenomena produced by a build up of static under the aircraft's wings. R5 & 6. Radio controlled devices? When the first reports started to come in, Allied Intelligence said they believed that the Foo Fighter's were radio controlled devices. After the War, they would say that they had no explanation for the phenomenon. When interviewed by the press, one of 415th pilots Lieut. Meiers said "There are three kinds of these lights we call foo fighters, one is red balls of fire that appear off our wing tips and others fly in front of us, and the third is a group of about fifteen lights which appear off in the distance-like a Christmas tree-and flicker on and off." (*8) The latter type would be reported again by Bell Aircraft personnel in 1951, at Tremonton, Utah in 1952 and at Saylors Lake, Pennsylvania in 1973, and more recently in Mexico. The logical assumption was that these strange lights were Nazi weapons. This speculation is not without substance, however, a point often overlooked, is that Britain and America had various research programmes of their own underway, particularly in the development of radar and its countermeasures. (ECM) Two men who were part of the Allied investigation team set up to investigate the phenomena, Dr. H P. Robertson a physicist and Intelligence officer, and Dr. Luis Alvarez, physicist and radar expert, would figure prominently in the CIA's report on UFO's in 1953. Indeed, it has been known as the Robertson Panel or Report ever since. The author of this report, F C. Durant, noted that Robertson and Alvarez referred to two of the incidents as Foo Fighters, though Durant does not record which incidents they were referring to. The phenomena were also active during the daytime, being reported by bomber crews. Charles Odom, a former B-17 pilot told the Huston Post, July 7 1947, "they looked like crystal balls, clear, about the size of basketball, and were often seen over Vienna, Munich and Target areas." There was, understandably, confusion over exactly what was being reported. Small balls of fire, usually in numbers, although a few reports are of a single object. Single (Occasionally two) large "fireballs" and "Christmas Tree" lights between 15 and 20 in number. Lt. Meiers defined three types of Foo Fighter, some of which may have been natural phenomena. In these instances, the object is described as a small ball of fire 8 to 10 inches in diameter, usually ten or more in number, although there are some reports of single objects. These fireballs would accompany the aircraft, usually off the wing tips of the plane. Although Meiers said that they sometimes appeared in front of the plane. There is every reason to believe that this type of Foo Fighter was due to the build up of Static, caused by the flow over air under the wings and usually occurs when an aircraft is travelling at speed. There are draw backs to this as a general explanation, in that not all of the aircraft involved in these incidents were capable of the speed needed in order for the phenomena to form. In the report of 23/12/44, the "glowing red object" changed to a view of an aircraft doing a wing over and going into a dive. Clearly in this instance, the Foo Fighter was a conventional plane. The researcher Renato Vesco, maintains that these devices were anti radar weapons, and could also interfere with the aircraft's radio and ignition system. This effect was achieved by injecting chemicals into the exhausts of the device, which also produced the bright glow that surrounded it. (*8) If so, the same effect could be achieved by using conventional aircraft such as the JU88 and Do17/217. The RAF's Bomber Command carried out night raids over Germany and occupied Europe from 1939 until 1945. Radar equipped Mosquitos eventually flew with the bomber formations, as well as carrying out intruder missions. (*7) It is logical to assume that they too would have encountered the Foo Fighters. I have interviewed former members of Bomber Command and Night fighter Squadrons up to the time of writing. All were adamant that they did not encounter any such phenomenon as that reported in the American Press articles of the time, though none discounted the possibility that the Foo Fighter's were weapons of some kind. Nonetheless, the researcher Jenny Randles interviewed the late Michael Bentine, who's job as an Intelligence Officer was to debrief Bomber crews on returning from their missions. After a raid on the research facility at Peenemunde in 1944, aircrew's told Bentine of being "pursued by a light that was pulsating and had flown round the aircraft." A typical Foo Fighter report as reported by the US airmen. And yet a former RAF pilot shot in December 1940, told me that he had been in many POW camps alongside US airmen. The subject of strange aircraft or ball's of fire was never mentioned. According to him, airmen were usually keen to know how you were shot down and by what. Most of the veterans confirmed that the Germans had antiaircraft missile defences in use by 1945, these missiles were fitted with an infrared homing device. The British countered this threat by introducing a secret weapon of their own, a large thermite flare. These were dropped by a Mosquito's ahead of the bomber formations in order to attract the missiles. Other aircraft were fitted with a variation of this countermeasure, although this was ejected from the rear of the aircraft as is used today. This means that there was a threat from German A.A missiles, and although none were supposed to have been operational before the end of the war, the employment of these countermeasures would indicate otherwise. Further, the RAF's Radio Intelligence Section had specially equipped Halifax's of the highly secret 192 Squadron accompany the bombers on their raids. The purpose of these flights was to detect existing and new types of German radar, so that effective countermeasures could be developed. Allied Intelligence must have been concerned over the initial Foo Fighter reports. The possibility of a new type of aircraft that could swing the balance of air superiority in the Germans favour must have been taken seriously, especially so close to D-Day. Gun camera film would have been invaluable in determining exactly what these things were. With so many allied aircraft pottering about the skies, surely somebody had a go at bagging a Foo Fighter? U S combat cameramen, took some unique footage of a B-17 bomber formation under attack from Me 163 Komet's. It is not unreasonable to speculate that an encounter with Foo Fighters would have been filmed. In the film showing the attack by Me 163's, a rocket-plane is blown apart by either the combined firepower of the bombers, or the Komet's notoriously unstable fuel exploded. The Germans lost many experienced pilots due to this fault, usually on take off or landing. There is the possibility that some of the phenomena were a form of Electronic Countermeasure. (ECM) The scientist and researcher Leon Davidson, stated that the United States had ECM capable of generating a false radar return in service by 1950. (*15) This might explain the radar only reports of the late 40's and early 50's. It would not explain the radar/visual reports unless that is, the equipment could generate a false visual image also. To be in service by the date claimed by Davidson, this equipment, whatever its capabilities, would have been developed years earlier. The Los Angeles affair of 1942, might have been due to the use of such equipment by the U. S Military. The behaviour of some of the objects reported in this incident, has a similarity with objects filmed recently at Area 51, Nevada. Contrary to popular belief, radar was not invented by the British. The German scientist Christian Hulsmeyer had a working apparatus in 1904. His equipment was placed aboard a small ship, and using Rotterdam Harbour as a test area, was able to detect ships with accuracy, up to a distance of 5 kilometres. Unfortunately for Hulsmeyer, he could not get the necessary financial backing from his government or from a private source. In the United States, Taylor and Young were experimenting on the 5 metre's band with "reflecting waves" in 1922, while Breit and Tuve were pioneering research in pulse techniques. In Britain in 1931, Butement and Pollard at the Signals Research Station at Woolwhich, devised a 50 cm pulse detection system. In 1935, British Intelligence began to receive reports of the Nazi's work on "Death Ray's." The Air Ministry were supposedly concerned about the possibility of having their aircrews fried in their aircraft, or that such a ray could effect the ignition system of the aircraft. They asked Wattson-Watt to look into the matter, and the result was the development of British radar. (*7) It was not until the 1930's with the Nazi's rise to power that radar received the priority and funding required for its development. (*11) The Swedish "Ghost Planes" of the 1930's were either flight tests of early radar, or more likely, testing of an early form of beam navigation system. 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Please put the details as below in the subject section e.g. Repost {101} part 1, part 2 etc. [W 2]****** Source: MSNBC Publish Date: 18th March 1999 The alien hunters are back at it SETI astronomers flock to biggest radio telescope By Seth Shostak ARECIBO, Puerto Rico, March 18 - Squinting through the aircraft window, I see a bright expanse of ocean below, clotted with white cumulus. Above is a blue-bowl sky, and I suspect that it, too, is clotted. Not with clouds, but with distant worlds peopled by strange beings. LIKE FOX MULDER, I am on a hunt for extraterrestrials, although not the type that many claim are buzzing the countryside in high-tech saucers, hoping to interfere with your social life. Instead, I am part of a team of scientists trying to find the aliens where they live: on far-off planets orbiting other stars. As my jumbo jet roars into the hot sun of the Caribbean, it's hard to stay mindful of the purpose of my trip. Many fellow passengers, to judge from their baggage tags, are destined for cruises out of San Juan. Others are islanders headed home. But the salubrious climate of these tropical waters is not what draws me southward. Rather, it's the radio telescope at Arecibo, a monster antenna half hidden in the limestone hills of northern Puerto Rico. The antenna is situated in a natural bowl, a topographic circumstance that simplified its construction by Cornell University in the early 1960s. But the real reason to put the world's largest radio telescope here is something else: The closer any telescope is to the equator, the more sky it can see. Folks living in New York never glimpse the famous Southern Cross, while inhabitants of Buenos Aires are deprived of the Big Dipper. But anyone near the equator can catch them both. Arecibo's gaze is limited to a patch of sky straight up and about 20 degrees wide, sliding across the universe as the Earth turns. By locating the telescope in tropical climes, that patch intercepts more celestial real estate. A somewhat-jetlagged Seth Shostak takes up his post at a computer terminal in the Project Phoenix control center. Our experiment is called Project Phoenix, and it's the most sensitive search for extraterrestrial intelligence going. The strategy is simple: we scrutinize the vicinities of nearby, sunlike stars, hoping to find narrow-band radio signals that would tell us someone else is "on the air." Anyone who's seen the movie "Contact," based on Carl Sagan's novel of the same title, has a good idea of what the Phoenix team does for a living. Settling down in front of the computers that control the telescope, I glance at screenfuls of numbers. We're about to begin the search, and for the next two weeks this small room, filled with electronics, will be my home. The work is frequently dull, but the enticement is enormous. After all, sooner or later it's bound to happen. The computers will find what no human ear could hear: a faint whistle, a flute played against Niagara Falls - conclusive proof that the universe is home to far more than just us. [W 3]****** Source: BBC News Publish Date: Saturday 30th January 1999 ET call Earth Hoping for a reply from space By BBC News Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse In a few weeks' time mankind will send out its first detailed radio message into the cosmos, asking any aliens who may receive it to get in touch. It is part of a commercial project called Encounter 2001. This company based in Houston, USA, is offering the public the chance to send their own message into space for $30. Not everyone thinks it is a good idea. According the scientists involved in listening for intelligent signals from outer space, called Seti (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), sending a message out into space is almost certainly a fruitless exercise. Dr Frank Stootman of Seti Australia, says that it is not a message to aliens but to us. He adds that a reply is very unlikely and certainly not within our lifetime. And, if an answer does come, it will not be in English. Tysor: "People excited by project" Chan Tysor of Encounter 2001 counters this. "It's a statement, sending something of yourself away from the Earth to travel in space forever. Whether it gets picked up by aliens or not many people are excited by it." The message Message shows aliens our DNA... Before the individual messages are broadcast an encrypted signal, based on logic and maths, will be sent. Dr Yvan Dutil, a scientist working for the Canadian Government, is helping to design the cosmic message. He points out that the only other signal deliberately sent into space in 1974 was aimed at a group of stars that were unlikely to have planets. Because this signal is aimed at a handful of stars like our Sun he says that "for practical purposes this will be our first detailed interstellar transmission." ... and also what we look like He is still working on the message, to be transmitted into space sometime in April by the Evpatoria radio telescope in the Ukraine. The message will consist of a series of pages and will be repeated three times over a period of three hours. The signal will be 100,000 times stronger than a TV broadcast. Don't listen, talk Listening for radio signals from alien life in space is not new. There have been about 70 attempts over the past 40 years. So far no signals have been detected. But transmitting a message into space has been tried only once. In 1974, the Arecibo radio telescope sent a brief three-minute message towards the distant M13 stellar cluster. It consisted of 1,679 pulses. When arranged into a matrix, they became an image showing atoms, molecules, our solar system and a representation of a human. Evpatoria dish: Sending out the message But the cosmic message being contemplated this time will be much longer, 400,000 bits. Starting with basic symbols it will use logic to describe numbers and geometry. It then goes on to introduce concepts such as atoms, planets and even DNA. It has been constructed to minimize the loss of information due to noise introduced into the signal during its interstellar journey. "If any aliens ever intercept this message they will have mastered science so much of the first part of the message, the part that deals with numbers and atoms, will be familiar to them", says Dr Dutil. "They can then go on and deduce a few things about humans such as where we live, how big we are and how many there are of us." However, he does have some reservations about sending the message. "I'm not comfortable about sending something in space without a social debate." Aimed at the stars The message is aimed at stars from 51 to 71 light-years from Earth. They are all similar to our own Sun. They lie in a region of the sky called the Summer Triangle. As well as the encrypted message there will be a series of greetings written by the general public. Anyone can sign up to send up to 30 words for $30. According to Chan Tysor, things people have put on their cosmic message include their hopes for a more peaceful future for mankind and other races in space. One person said that we have made a mess of our planet so asked aliens to put off a visit for another 100,000 years. Mr Tysor said that the signal was a kind of monument, "It is a kind of immortality knowing that something you wrote is beaming its way out of the solar system into the galaxy." Questionable science Many scientists do not think that broadcasting messages to the stars is a good idea. Among them are many members of the Setileague, a body that organises amateur searches for intelligent signals from space using small radio dishes. "Great entertainment, but questionable science," said its executive director Dr H Paul Shuch. It would be fun to beam personal greetings into space, Mr Shuch concedes, but like a message in a bottle, the prospects for successful contact are rather slim." Carol Oliver of Seti Australia says that while she has reservations about the message being sent into space she hopes that it will inspire many to take an interest in Seti. She adds that soon, because of a Seti Australia initiative, hundreds of thousands of Australian schoolchildren will be studying the search for life in space as part of a project to help them find out about the universe and themselves. But Dr Dutil is worried that the Encounter 2001 message will set a precedent, "After us zillions of people will try to send a message into space." Just imagine he says, "a weirdo group could send what they want into space and this may put humanity into trouble in the far future." [W 4]****** Source: The Philadelphia Inquirer Publish Date: 27th March 1999 First 'Philadelphia Experiment' Crew Reunion 'It Never Happened' By Lacy McCrary The truth is out here. It is in a hospitality room of a boardwalk hotel, with some old salts sitting around white-clothed tables laughing at reports that their ship was involved in a top-secret World War II experiment. Sailors who served on the USS Eldridge, the ship that legend says vanished briefly in 1943 at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, met here this week for their first reunion in 53 years and spent part of their time joking about the so-called Philadelphia Experiment. The Eldridge, they said yesterday, may well have been invisible to Philadelphia because it was never in Philadelphia. The ship's log and several veterans who were on the ship from its launching on July 25, 1943, at Port Newark, N.J., say it called on many East Coast ports, but never Philadelphia. Two movies, two books and several Web sites have kept the myth about the Eldridge alive. As the story goes, the destroyer escort was surrounded by a greenish fog, disappeared for a few minutes, then reappeared. But none of the veterans believes it. "I think it's somebody's pipe dream," said Ed Wise, 74, of Salem, Ind. Ted Davis, 72, of Grand Island, Neb., was more emphatic. "It never happened," he said. Bill Van Allen, 84, who was executive officer and then captain of the Eldridge in 1943 and 1944, said he never saw any sign of experiments aboard the ship. "I have not the slightest idea how these stories got started," said Van Allen of Charlotte, N.C. These former sailors said they sometimes had fun pretending the experiment actually occurred. "When people would ask me about it, I would play along with them and tell them I disappeared. After a while they realized I was pulling their legs," said Ray Perrino, 72, of Cranston, R.I. None of the 15 at the reunion could explain why writers picked their ship, out of the thousands that sailed in the war, as the site of invisibility experiments. Frankly, some are tired of being asked about it. "We can't wait to put it to rest. We can't because it keeps coming up," Davis said. "I'm still asked about it now, mostly by younger people." "I have a Pennsylvania auto license DE-173 [the designation and number of the Eldridge] , and every once in a while somebody will stop and ask me if it was really true," said Mike Perlstein, 72, of Warminster. "I tell them I know nothing about it. I've seen the movie, and it's a good movie, but there's no truth to it," Perlstein said. The Navy said it had received so many inquiries through the years about the Philadelphia Experiment -- the title of a 1984 movie, a 1993 sequel and two books -- that it prepared and sends out a fact sheet. The Navy said the myth dated to 1955 with the publication of The Case for UFO's by the late Morris K. Jessup. It said Jessup later received letters from a Carlos Miguel Allende, who gave a New Kensington, Pa., address, and claimed he witnessed the ship becoming invisible from another vessel. Allende also said the ship was "teleported" to and from Norfolk, Va., in a few minutes with some terrible aftereffects for crew members. Questions about the experiment probably arose from "quite routine" research at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard during the war, according to the Navy fact sheet. "It was believed the foundation for the apocryphal stories arose from degaussing [demagnetizing] experiments which have the effect of making a ship undetectable or 'invisible' to magnetic mines," the Navy said. But the Navy said it had never conducted invisibility experiments, either in 1943 or at any other time. The legend says the ship became invisible on July 22, 1943, but ship records and the veterans say it was not launched until July 25. The second experiment, in which the Eldridge was sent to Norfolk and back to Philadelphia, was supposed to have occurred on Oct. 28, 1943. The ship's log says it was at the Brooklyn Navy Yard on that date, but did spend two days in the Norfolk Navy Yard in November 1943. The gray-haired men, some wearing baseball caps with "USS Eldridge" printed on them, chuckled as they ribbed one another about the mental problems the crew supposedly suffered from the experiments. "The only part of the book I think is true is the part about the crew being a little crazy," said Ed Tempany, 75, of Carteret, N.J. He referred to The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility by William L. Moore in consultation with Charles Berlitz. "When I get home I'm going to apply for disability," Perrino said, with a smile. "Beam me up, Scotty," said Tempany. [W 5]****** Source: New Scientist Publish Date: Sunday 31st January 1999 Are gamma-ray bursts holding back intergalactic travel? Gamma-ray bursts -- incredibly powerful explosions that may be caused by collisions between collapsed stars-could solve one of the oldest riddles about extraterrestrial civilisations: why haven't they reached Earth already? After studying the effects of gamma-ray bursts on life, an astrophysicist has concluded that aliens may have just started to explore their galaxies. Enthusiasts for the existence of extraterrestrials have long been haunted by a simple question supposedly posed by the Nobel prizewinning physicist Enrico Fermi around 1950. Fermi pointed out that the Galaxy is about 100 000 light years across. So even if a spacefaring race could explore the Galaxy at only a thousandth of the speed of light, it would take them just 100 million years to spread across the entire Galaxy. This is far less than the Galaxy's age of about 10 billion years. So if ETs exist in the Milky Way, where are they? Maybe they don't share the human urge to explore. Or perhaps there's another reason, says James Annis, an astrophysicist at Fermilab near Chicago. He thinks cataclysmic gamma-ray bursts often sterilise galaxies, wiping out life forms before they have evolved sufficiently to leave their planet (Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, vol 52, p 19). GRBs are thought to be the most powerful explosions in the Universe, releasing as much energy as a supernova in seconds. Many scientists think the bursts occur when the remnants of dead stars such as neutron stars or black holes collide. Annis points out that each GRB unleashes devastating amounts of radiation. "If one went off in the Galactic centre, we here two- thirds of the way out on the Galactic disc would be exposed over a few seconds to a wave of powerful gamma rays." He believes this would be lethal to life on land. The rate of GRBs is about one burst per galaxy every few hundred million years. But Annis says theories of GRBs suggest the rate was much higher in the past, with galaxies suffering one strike every few million years-far shorter than any plausible time scale for the emergence of intelligent life capable of space travel. That, says Annis, may be the answer to Fermi's question. "They just haven't had enough time to get here yet," he says. "The GRB model essentially resets the available time for the rise of intelligent life to zero each time a burst occurs." Paul Davies, a visiting physicist at Imperial College, London, says the basic idea for resolving the paradox makes sense. "Any Galaxy- wide sterilising event would do," he says. However, he adds that GRBs may be too brief: "If the drama is all over in seconds, you only zap half a planet. The planet's mass shields the shadowed side." Annis counters that GRBs are likely to have many indirect effects, such as wrecking ozone layers that protect planets from deadly levels of ultraviolet radiation. Annis also highlights an intriguing implication of the theory: the current rate of GRBs allows intelligent life to evolve for a few hundred million years before being zapped, possibly giving it enough time to reach the spacefaring stage. "It may be that intelligent life has recently sprouted up at many places in the Galaxy and that at least a few groups are busily engaged in spreading." [W 6]****** Source: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br> Director - The Brazilian Academy of Parasciences (ABP) http://members.xoom.com/abpsp Publish Date: Sunday 4th April 1999 The 12 Best Brazilian UFO Cases The following is a list of the 12 best UFO cases in Brazil according to a survey by the Brazilian Academy of Parasciences (ABP) 1 - FAB (Brazilian Air Force) - May 19, 1996 (Radar-visual and films); 2 - Trindade Island - January 16, 1958 (Photos and military witnesses); 3 - VASP Flight 169 - February 8, 1982 (Radar-visual - many witnesses); 4 - Capao Redondo - January 2, 1998 (Small probe videotaped); 5 - Smoke Squadron (FAB) Case - November 16, 1996 (Aerial accident involving a small "probe" - Videotaped); 6 - Operation Plate (Brazilian Air Force) - Para, 1977 (A flap with many witnesses, photos and super-8 films by the Air Force); 7 - Varginha - January 20, 1996 (Entities captured by the Army); 8 - Fort Itaipu - November 3, 1957 (Soldiers burned by UFO); 9 - Sao Vicente - October 1, 1995 (Trace landing); 10 - Campinas ("silver rain") - December 13, 1954 (Metallic physical evidence); 11 - Ubatuba - September 10, 1957 (Explosion - Metallic debris); 12 - Serra do Cipo - Minas Gerais (A series of agressive CEIII investigated by Prof. Hulvio Brant Aleixo since 1969). [W 7]****** Source: Outlook - Tomorrow's Technology Today [UK] [Computer Magazine] Publish Date: April 1999 IBM in 'Project Blue Book' UFO probe A theory which for years has been regarded as nothing more than the wild speculations of the lunatic fringe has, this month, been given new credibilty by Jerry Hartsell, ex-Chairman of IT giants IBM. He claims in his new autobiography that the original silicon chip tecnology, which underpinned the IT explosion of the late 20th century, was derived from a secret US government project of the late 1950s that aimed to investigate 'technology of a non-terrestrial origin'. The baffling claim has fuelled further speculation that the 'non- terrestrial technology' may have been recovered from the alleged UFO crash site at Roswell... [W 8]****** Source: New York Variety Publish Date: Monday 26th April 1999 Spielberg 'Taken' By Aliens By John Dempsey NEW YORK (Variety) - Steven Spielberg, the director of "ET" and "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," is heading off to outer space again with "Taken," a 20-hour miniseries focusing on alien abductions. Spielberg will serve as executive producer of the DreamWorks TV project, which will screen on cable's Sci-Fi Channel in the third quarter of 2000. It will be based on reports of UFO landings in New Mexico dating back to 1947. "Steven has always had an interest in this subject," said Barry Diller, chairman and CEO of Sci-Fi's USA Networks parent. He told Daily Variety that Spielberg's treatment starts from the premise "that there are abductions, that they're real and not made up. This will be a big story with multiple characters, protagonists and antagonists, and it'll span lots of decades." In a statement, Spielberg called himself a fan of the Sci-Fi Channel, and said "no other place" is better suited for a miniseries of the "magnitude" of "Taken." "Taken," which will cost upward of $40 million, will begin production this summer. The director and cast are still to be named. The Sci-Fi Channel plans to run it for two hours a night over 10 consecutive nights. [W 9]****** (three reports) Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation Publish Date: Tuesday 27th April 1999 Strange lights reported on NSW and Qld coasts The National Space, Meteor and UFO hotline is appealing for public assistance, in identifying some unexplained lights in the sky tonight. Callers from the north coast of New South Wales, Sydney and the southern Queensland coast have reported seeing bright, fragmented lights in the sky, with astronomers unable to offer a definite explanation. The hotline's Ross Dowe says he has had many callers detailing sightings, but he needs more information. Mr Dowe says at this stage, the information received does not equate to it being meteor activity." "Mind you meteors do the strangest things," he said. "And if it is a meteor shower it must be an enormous close encounter far as meteors are concerned because the lights of Sydney are so bright then generally Sydneyites don't see meteors go over, or even satellites." *** Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation Publish Date: Tuesday 27th April 1999 Satellite may have been cause of UFO sightings Police believe the re-entry of a satellite into the earth's atmosphere is responsible for reports of a flaming object in the sky along the east coast last night. Police and a national UFO hotline received several reports up and down the east coast of a possible meteorite crashing to earth. They say the reports included one from two men who followed the object's path until it crashed into bushland near Mittagong in the southern highlands of New South Wales around eight o'clock. Police say the sighting was the controlled entry of a satellite, which crashed into the sea 500 kilometres off the coast. *** Source: Sydney Morning Herald Publish Date: Monday 3rd May 1999 By Richard Macey UFO link to rocket The mystery surrounding bright lights seen over eastern Australia last week has deepened with the US military confirming two fragments of a rocket, launched five years ago, plunged back to Earth at the time of the sightings. However, in a rare departure from military secrecy, the US Space Command in Colorado Springs, Colorado, said spy satellites failed to spot the reported fireballs. A Space Command spokesman, Army Major Mike Birmingham, said both objects, parts of a Pegasus rocket, were only six centimetres square - too small to trigger the fireworks. Dozens of people around NSW reported seeing lights in the sky about 8pm last Monday. Major Birmingham confirmed that about that time, two fragments of the Pegasus rocket slammed into the atmosphere over eastern Australia, following a path matching the reported sighting. The rocket placed a US Air Force satellite into orbit on May 19, 1994. [W 10]****** Source: New York Now / Culture Publish Date: Sunday 18th April 1999 A Way-Out Tale Snatching a few laughs from novel about UFO abductions By SHERRYL CONNELLY LITTLE GREEN MEN, By Christopher Buckley, Random House, $23.95 Fans of Christopher Buckley are going to waste everyone's time debating whether his new book, "Little Green Men," is funnier than 1994's "Thank You for Smoking." So, I'll make the call: "Little Green Men" is funnier by a chortle and a snort. Maybe even a laugh, one of those wrenched from the gut. Nathan Scrubbs spends his days as a government employee arranging for the abduction of U.S. citizens by aliens. It was a program initiated in 1947 to convince Stalin that UFOs actually landed and we had their technology. But the faked sightings proved useful in other respects. As an increasing number of Americans came to think that they were at risk of being snatched, they were more willing to vote tax dollars for big guns and rocket ships. But escalating the deep cover program to meet the typical American need for bigger and better had its complications. The aliens, for instance, had to grow from the original short uglies of the early years after it became impossible to find enough dwarfs with security clearances. Scrubbs, meanwhile, appreciates that his job in abductions arranging for the theft and erotic probings of lonely farm wives is better than having to core cows with lasers, which is what the guys in Mutilations get stuck doing. But still he wants out. When his transfer is denied, he gets a little crazy and a little drunk and arranges for the abduction of the prominent host of a Sunday-morning political talk show. If there's ever a guy you want to see probed - cored, even - it's the Establishment darling John O. Banion. He maintains his ultimate insider status by lording it over the outsiders who make up his television audience. He's arrogant, of course, and obnoxious, too, but so powerful that he can command the President to appear in the studio to be demeaned live. Still, after a couple of abductions - one leaves him hurting down there - Banion can't get even a low-level administrative assistant to return his call. Convinced that no one could not believe Banion's warning that they really are among us, he goes public with his story. Ooops. He's done for in Washington - even his wife, Bitsey, leaves him - but there are millions willing to see Banion raised to an even higher level of prominence as the spokesman for those who believe in little green men. In other words, he owns an army, most of whose members are, quite factually, certifiable. So, of course, the highly secret government agency indirectly responsible for his new position in life, needs him dead. And not incidentally, Scrubbs, as well. Buckley, the son of William F. Buckley Jr., and the editor of Forbes FYI, is very much an insider himself, but one who turns his knowledge to good in producing satires that manage to be sly as well as laugh- out-loud. The fun he has here lampooning our lunatic fringes -the Washington establishment more so than the believers - guarantees one of those really good-time reads. So does his next book, in which he promises to refute the theories of the physicist Stephen Hawking. That's what he says. [W 11]****** Source: St. Paul / Minneapolis Pioneer Planet Publish Date: Monday 26th April 1999 From: Bernhard Nahrgang <bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net> Project enlists home computers in search for extraterrestrial intelligence Next month, nearly a half-million people will assume the role of Capt. Kirk and take their home computers on two-year missions to seek out new life and new civilizations. And, thanks to the Internet, they won't have to go anywhere -- boldly or otherwise -- to do it. A group of space scientists at the University of California at Berkeley is launching SETIHome, an ambitious program to use the screen savers on personal computers to analyze data from the world's largest radio telescope. It will use the Net to tie them all together in a coordinated search for alien life. The program is free and looking for volunteers. Enthusiasts will think it's neat; skeptics may not. The head of SETIHome says their work is "kind of cool" and peppers his discussions of the project with references to the general public as "Earthlings." The project is an offshoot of SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Its most famous advocate was the late Carl Sagan, a scientist and author perhaps best-known for his appearances on "The Tonight Show." Those at SETIHome bristle at the idea that the screen saver program is pop science but admit the project could be helpful in gathering private money, because Congress cut off funding six years ago. "I can't deny that it's attractive to us because it's a way of attracting people worldwide," said Dan Werthimer, project scientist with SETIHome. But he insists there's value in the approach. The idea is to take raw data gathered by the 1,000-foot Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico and divide it among thousands of home computers. Each computer will download a quarter-megabyte of Arecibo's data from the Net and analyze it. When the home computer is done, it will send the results back and grab another chunk of data. The project will continue for two years. Because the program is a screen saver, it will operate only during a computer's idle time -- when someone is away from the keyboard, for example. SETIHome promises the application will require a maximum of about 20 megabytes of storage on a hard disk. And it will do its sending and receiving when users are on the Net doing other things. Will they actually find anything? Retired guys wandering in the park have a better chance of finding buried treasure with their metal detectors. "Whether or not we find something is fairly doubtful," said David P. Anderson, a visiting scientist creating the screen savers at SETI.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 From: Kynthia <kynthia@planetarymysteries.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:11:51 -0400 Subject: Re: PLANETARY MYSTERIES UPDATE 5/12/99 [Non-subscriber Post] >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:07:07 -0400 >From: Terry <ksamurai@flnet.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: To my good friend Kynthia of Planetary Mysteries... OPEN LETTER REGARDING MARS NEW FACE CONTROVERSY: The Bottom Line: re: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=8728&article=14727 8 images of the new face Terry James: >I've come to the conclusion that the reason the >face appears not to be affected by direct sun-light is that in all 8 >images, it never received any. I propose that this face actually sits >just below the mean elevation of the base of the crater. That can be >seen in the shading of the ground adjacent to it which changes as it >moves away from the face in a Northerly direction. Also, it would appear >that the valley adjacent to it (east side) is very deep. >Since the new face is not subject to direct sunlight unless the sun is >above the crater, we see very little of the expected shadows, instead, >we see light being diffused by contrast and simple reflection. * * * Dear Terry, I understand that maybe the morning shots could be similar...but even if it is reflected light...I do not believe that the evening shot could be identical. If anything...this demonstrates that this image has been PLANTED THERE...as a decoy...to make it all look foolish later on! It gives me a really queasy feeling in my stomach...ahhh....a set up. Please take some clay...make a deep deep bowl impression...the sculpt any random shape inside...deep....and move a light around...I'm certain you will see the reflected light move as well. Kind regards, Kynthia * * * history to this point: Terry James responed to my Planetary Mysteries Update (which I have just learned he made public and therefore required my open response) I sent him this message: * * * Dear Terry, There is no War. I posted exactly what I told you. I have no agenda, I do see what you are referring to, but I also see a drop cliff shadow and a lack of supporting structures...a suggestion of a face with no context as yet. As I mentioned in my update, that may still come. >it's received in excess of 7000 hits in only >one month Wonderful! you work hard, I happy you get the attention. But that doesn't mean that I must agree with you and not speak my truth. It happens that many of the researchers agree with my position...as I said, we won't know till we go there. >sales of its various associated bobbles and books? Terry, as you notice, its a close out inventory, I'm very devested of selling those materials, it takes away time from my art. >I can understand the >dilemma you face, however, there is something much more important for >you, Richard Hoagland and Mark Carlotto to consider in this new find. You're trapping yourself in a small box of spite...but I'm not in there with you, I wish you well. You notice that I have not removed the links to your site...because I respect the availability of different viewpoints. >In the long run, this New face on Mars will lend even more >credibility to existence of the Cydonia artifacts. Time will show, I hope you're right. > that you were putting too much power in this >one artifact, and that it would be quickly and ruthlessly debunked by >NASA I fear this will be the case with this new face. >NASA... have effectively (although unfairly) gutted the credibility of the >Face at Cydonia in the eyes of the general public Kynthia.... >However, the general public has lost interest in the Face >at Cydonia and anything associated with it... Not so....that is not what my email shows me...there is still significant energy there. >And this New Face I've found on Mars fits the bill perfectly. or it could be a disastrous fall ....if proved to be an illussion...which I wish I could see it as something more substantial than that. >the Face at Cydonia, this new face structure was imaged in excess of 8 >different times over a two year period! Let's see the other images and how they hold up under different lighting conditions before we jump to conclusions. >and rethink this issue I have no problem re-evaluating this face with other images from other sun angles. >With regards to your suggestive post that other of my work is >questionable...I actually laughed when I read that you thought my South >Peak was nothing but a clipped piece of fabricated data. As I said in my original message to you, which you are rewording and thus changing the meaning. When you first posted it and sent it to me...you were pointing to and indicating areas that were cropped and aligned improperly. I did not say that the peaks are not there, but that the feature you were pointing out was not there. >I received many e-mails from >various sources including you stating I should look at the North Peak, >the South peak is nothing! I, myself, never made any mention to you about the North Peak and I repeat what I refer to what I just wrote about your original message on the South Peak. as I said in my update and I have written to you many times...I appreciated your exhaustive efforts...AND I caution you to consider a bigger picture when you make such hasty claims...it will damage the whole body of investigation. Terry, please understand, I am not in collaboration - "cahoots" with the others...I act independently. There is not an intention on my part to defame your work, but I can not in good conscience keep silent and not share my personal viewpoint...because during these many years of studying the face , I have developed an intimate relationship with that structure...and this new face...is of a totally different nature. Why do you take it personally that I express my experience of the data? We are not in grade school, we are adults, and its important to have the courage not only to speak our truth, but also to allow others to speak theirs. Friends that are confident of their honesty encourage each other to speak their truth and allow the conflicting viewpoints to be part of the tapestry that binds rather than separates. Again Terry, I wish you well, you will not find me engaging in word battles with you. Kynthia * * * Terry responde with an email that he has asked to keep private, but the first line reads: >You have my word that I will not use any personal e-mail communication >between us in a public forum from this time onwards. I also did not make >public the e-mail you sent me late last night. As Terry neglected to mention that he had shared his first message...and having just learned of it...I now reply. Time will reveal the truth, who knows if we'll still be here to see it. In the meantime, PAX INTRANTIBUS, Kynthia _______ Celebrate Your Spirit, Kynthia http://www.planetarymysteries.com http://www.planetarymysteries.com/kynthia ART FROM THE HEART 190 El Cerrito Plaza, Suite 168, El Cerrito, CA 94530 (800) 628-MARS (6277)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 99 20:21:22 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:29:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Tue, 18 May 99 08:50:47 PDT >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:57:45 -0600 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Don Allen <dona@amigo.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * Patient and gentle listfolk: A couple of corrections which somehow slipped through the Clark/Bruce-Knapp filter: In my previous posting, I referred to the CIA employee/ Soviet spy "Aldrich." Aldrich, of course, is his first name, even if it sounds like a last name. I should have called him Ames, which is this misbegotten soul's last name. Second, possibly some readers may have thought I was saying anti-Semitism is "much in evidence," as I put it, in Don Allen's expressed views. I plead imprecise writing. My meaning was that anti-Americanism is a vocal part of Mr. Allen's worldview. America has now become the Great Satan of conspiracy theory, as followers of flat-earth political geography are aware. Anyway, I apologize to all of you and to Mr. Allen in particular for not quite getting my words right. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:25:00 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:27:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >There is, after all, no shortage of conspiracist >and/or racist websites, and anybody who is so >inclined can go to one of them and >rant and rave to his heart's content. >>You won't have it here, though?>> I'd like to add a word, as one editor who appreciates the difference between editing and censorship, a distinction that is often lost on people who disagree with a publication's editorial philosophy. This thread began with Josh Goldstein's objection to Jeff Rense posting the notorious "Protocols of Zion" on his website, which until recently had concentrated mostly on UFO-related subjects. I agree that UFO UpDates is no place for the kind of political posturing that Rense now seems so interested in. I notice that many of his recent articles are pulled from the basest kind of political advocacy sites, apparently ones that are consistent with his view that NATO is commiting an unforgivable act of war against the peace-loving Serbian people. Rense has posted outrageous, even ludicrous articles that are consistent with his beliefs. I notice that some of these have been pulled from such "objective" publications as Matt Drudge's polemical website and from a nonprofit group funded by the ubiqitous Richard Mellon Scaife. ("sources say NATO has lost 38 fixed-wing aircraft," for instance) I have no objection to Jeff posting whatever he wants _that's the nature of a free press, or free Internet, if you will. But he should make no pretense that he is trying to advance the cause of truth. By publishing only the overblown claims of those who agree with his premise (NATO equals the antichrist; the Serbs are innocent victims), Rense is simply advocating a political belief. The point that Jerry Clark was trying to make, and that I think Alfred does not appreciate, is that the editor of this forum is under no obligation to republish letters about subjects that are irrelevant to research of UFOs. Every publication has its editing standards. My own newspaper, for instance, no longer publishes letters about abortions, regardless of whether the writer supports or opposes it. The managing editor and publisher believe that attitudes about abortion are now fixed and polarized, and most letters about abortion tend to be too graphic for many of our readers. So to answer Alfred's question, no, I don't want the kind of overblown, anti-semitic rantings that Rense has chosen to publish as part of UFO UpDates, which I believe is without equal as a forum for the discussion of UFOs. Let Rense be Rense. Perhaps he will eventually come to his senses, but I doubt it. It just goes to show that when people have certain interests in common _be it UFOs, restoring old cars, or baseball_ it doesn't mean they share all interests and beliefs. Regards, Pat McCartney Auburn Journal
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:51:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:58:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:56:23 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Yeah, as if Hynek hadn't already written a couple of books on >his own by then, and established CUFOS in the bargain. Hynek >still had a scientific reputation to protect, Imbrogno and Pratt >didn't. No real wonder he didn't want to sign on to everything >they did. In fact, Hynek was essentially a silent partner in the >book, basically lending his good name to boost sales of a book >that wouldn't have achieved same without it. And for this he >gets hammered? Why do you think Imbrogno and Pratt wanted his >name on the cover? And did it ever occur to you that some of the >more "bizarre information" the two collected simply may not have >passed Hynek's scientific muster test? Well Dennis Stacy comes rampaging out of the woodwork once again. Remember when I appeared on Larry King Live and made the statement about General Douglas MacArthur and his warning the class at West Point that at some time they might have to face an interplanetary enemy? You and Pat Buchannan both had a "kitty." Of course you didn't hear me when I said I had the speech by MacArthur with me, however LKL ran out of time. I couldn't show it, and of course the next 4 times I appeared on LKL it never came up. Ooo, Dennis Stacy couldn't wait to skewer me in the pages of the Muffin Journal. Course you had to eat your words next issue. You were wrong....again. Seems to me that about 5 years ago you and I were arguing over a book review I did on Randel and Schmitts Roswell book. I liked the book, you didn't. You had lots of nasty things to say. Tough. I still corresponded with you until you started avoiding things you didn't want to HAVE to answer. >the heavy-handed American SS troops? >And Frankies Rowe and Kaufmann? Well, we all have our >weaknesses. The above is from Stacy's recent post, but he got all hot and heavy breathing over an anology I made to what were US Counter Intelligence Corp troops in the aftermath of the Roswell event. I said in my review that they "operated in the best tradition of the Nazi SS". I refered to numerous accounts were it was reported that American citizens had their lives threatened by US military if they talked about what they saw or heard. Stacy had a cow at my reference. Course Dennis himself never served in the American military, never wore a uniform himself. I do think he mentioned one time that his daddy was in..........WWII or somesuch..... Now back to our correspondence. When Stacy went off on me because of my review, I asked him what his stance was (he was editor of the MUFON Journal then) on Walt Andrus's (then) very recent statement that the flavor of the month at the time of our correspondence, was the Michigan sightings. Walt went on national TV and stated that they were "_proof_" of alien or ET visitation! I asked Stacy 3 or more times where his vaunted outrage was, or did he perhaps agree with Walt. Well, the old buck-er-roo avoided answering me each time I asked, and to make sure that he was able to read my question I increased the size of my fonts....to larger and then really big! He refused to acknowledge my question. Guess he didn't want to piss the boss off. So I told him then that "if you want to debate then answer the question, if not then don't bother writing me." So, why bother writing me? As to Jim McDonald he was a great man, put his money where his mouth was with Menzel, Hynek, Klass and even Congress. And for Stacy to defame him.... well Hell, I would expect no less from the ol' buck-er-roo. Dennis, my advice is to go down to ol' "Slim's Bar n Grill" , order yurself a "Lone Star" and shove that in your mouth instead of your foot every time you come out here in the public. Don Ecker -- Don Ecker http://www.ufomag.com http://libertyworksradio.com Heading Toward the Millennium!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 BellSouth.net Causing List Problems From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:04:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:04:49 -0400 Subject: BellSouth.net Causing List Problems Several Bell South users are without UpDates and that ISP caused backups of out-going mail to List subscribers with their 'SPAM Block' SMTP software. Apparently there was a massive Spam problem a couple of days ago originating from Bell South. The following is from my ISP's Network Abuse Specialist: ebk ----- Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Stankaitis <cs@globalserve.net> To: updates@globalserve.net Subject: BellSouth.net At this time all mail to and from that domain is being blocked due to the lack of cooperation from the admin team of bellsouth.net in dealing with a constant spam problem originating from their domain. This action was taken as a last resort after all attempts by GlobalServe to have a resolution to this issue were ignored by the bellsouth.net people. All e-mail traffic to and from this domain will be blocked until an administrator from bellsouth.net contacts myself or another member of the GlobalServe Systems Administration Team. I encourage you to contact your friends and have them call bellsouth.net and inform them of their dissatisfaction over the lack of co-operation in dealing with the spam issues that caused this block to be put in place. -- Chris Stankaitis Network Abuse Specialist GlobalServe Communications Inc. (A Primus Canada Corporation)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:36:50 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:14:23 -0400 Subject: Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:02:58 -0700 >From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux Hello all,Jan, Keith,Duke. >>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >>Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:17:48 -0700 >>Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:31:47 -0400 >>Subject: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux >>On the last day of 1998, Jan Aldrich brought this thread to a >>close by with the remark: >>"Basically, they were probably firing at their own >>meteorological balloon." >>Peter Brookesmith gave the distinct impression of a nod of >>approval at this analysis. <Large sinp> >9) In the 1960's a men's magazine had interview with a >purported Japanese aviation officer who said he led the raid >from aircraft launched from nearby submarines. (Around this >same time the Japanese had indeed dropped bombs on Oregon from >such an aircraft-- officially, the only manned aircraft attack >on the US mainland.) <snip> Yes, true, however, the Yokoshuka folding plane left a lot to be desired by even Putt-Putt (yes it acutally made a Putt-Putt sound according to a witness) aircraft standards.Slow and under- powered, and not particularly manenuverable, it was capable of carrying two 25lb. incendiary bombs,-"Your mission lt.Fujita, is to burn the forests of Southern Oregon to ashes in the wettest ,soggiest summer in 30 years.-Banzai!!" Fujita gave his officer's Sword to the Curry County historical society in Gold Beach Oregon, and was Grand Marshal at a Parade during the 1980's (and he worked hard for Peace,he was a great man.) in Brookings, Oregon. >10) The "Battle" fueled the call for removal of the >Japanese-American from the West coast. >11) Since this was the time of near hysteria, some reaction to >the incident may have been obfuscated to keep the public in the >dark about the actual incident or as a basis to take >extraordinary actions such as the Japanese removal <snip> See "Silent Seige " by Robert Webber still in print. >There are some points that still need to be addressed by >historians. I was working with a fellow in San Diego who wanted >to investigate this case. After some initial work, he gave it >up. He said it was like punching a pillow, it just keeps >spreading out. Over time when you think you have established >something, other things come along. <snip> Actually Speilberg's "1942" was a lighter look at the mass paranioa that went on-none of it was true,but according to some who were there,it was close.In situations like that S**T hits the fan and all sorts of reports get wirtten,-Think about UFO flaps, what is true what is not .The abuction story, true-maybe, the Story of a UFO crew asking to borrow a butterknife, a paperclip, and a rubber band-well, to repair the Transwarp drive, it, just as valid, we are not _there_. >I have been contacted by several UFO producers about the >incident. Two actually had research budgets and were willing to >do some digging, but only if it was contended that ETS were >involved. Yes, in years past , I've seen the "Lubbock lights" imposed over a photo of the AA over Los Angeles. No, war jitters are a real problem. The Japanese I-class subs (only a few were equipped with aircraft) raised real Hell along the pacific coast. Much of ths was suppressed by the Navy, to avoid further panic. The Navy even had a Q-ship -warship disguised as a merchantman to track Japanese subs-and sink them! -GT McCoy <snip> >In haste, >Jan Aldrich
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:00:45 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:22:54 -0400 Subject: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research Wednesday, May 19, 1999 Published at 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK BBC "US billionaire funds crop circle research" US billionaire Laurance Rockefeller is to fund the UK's biggest survey of crop circles. Scientists will be carrying out aerial research over Wiltshire next month in the hope of finding out once and for all whether the mysterious patterns are genuine or the work of hoaxers. Some believe they are created by UFOs during nocturnal visits. Others say they are connected to ancient "ley lines", or put it down to natural phenomena such as unusual forms of lightning. The first few crop circles of the season have already appeared in several West Country fields. The area has long been the focal point of those in Britain who believe that the circles are the work of extra terrestrial forces. Last year a US Website advertised week-long tours of UK crop circles priced at $2,199 per person. Until now research has been carried out by amateurs and enthusiasts, known as croppies. But there is a growing scientific discipline based around the study, known as cereology. Mr Rockefeller, a former US congressman, has given his financial backing to the UK's largest and most scientific study. Mr Rockefeller, scion of the famous dynasty, has a long standing interest in UFOs and other bizarre phenomena. He has provided hundreds of thousands of dollars to UFO abduction researcher John Mack. Mr Rockefeller also funds the Starlight Coalition, which wants to end what it says is US Government secrecy on UFOs. His organisation has already built up the biggest crop circle database, and will be working with private detectives and the National Farmers Union. Many farmers believe crop circles are the work of hoaxers, and say they cause thousands of pounds of damage every year. Several people have come forward to claim responsibility. In 1991 two landscape painters, David Chorley and Douglas Bower, claimed they started the hoax in 1978, after drinking in a pub. They said for the past 13 years they had been sneaking around southern England at night, fashioning as many as 25 to 30 new circles each growing season. In a BBC CountryFile special in January, Mr Bower, 74, showed how his patterns were made with planks of wood, lengths of rope and a ball of string. He said he was amazed that many followers of crop circles still refused to believe they were a hoax. But it seems there remain unexplained factors, such as the lack or tracks or footsteps.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: SETI at Home From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:48:23 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: SETI at Home >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:54:07 -0500 >From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: SETI at Home <snip> >What is a good indicator that you have detected a signal? The first prime indicator will be a rather large signal level. This is the fourth item down on "Data Analysis". My computer has finished 4 blocks of data and the noise range seems to be from about 110 to 180. A good signal would be much larger than this. Of course, that does not mean you found ET. It could be Entertainment Tonight, or some other terrestrial signal. :-) Another indication would be that you would see a "bump" instead of all the small spikes in the frequency domain (that's the horizontal axis). Noise consists of very narrow bits of energy. These are the "rectangles" that the graphics program is building on your screen. A good signal will have a lot of large "rectangles" side-by-side. Happy Hunting! Terry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:00:26 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:29:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) Our relation with Dr. Hynek was brief, and extended over the last years of his life. We could like to share with you some unknown or little known UFO cases we investigate with him. Visit our newsletter Web page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/1341/index.html Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo Miami UFO Center "This is a world wide phenomenon that needs an international focus for serious scientific research and study," -Dr.J.Allen Hynek
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Hoagland Is Caught Again Over NASA-HST From: Robert A.M. Stephens <sti3818@montana.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:33:04 -0600 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Hoagland Is Caught Again Over NASA-HST Everyone, Richard C. Hoagland of the Enterprise Mission has been caught lying, stealing without legal acknowledgment, NASA-HST data again. The full story and the offer of Stephens to buy Hoagland a new computer if he will admit he is lying again is here: http://www.stephens-behold.com/hst_hogdick_lies.html -- sincerely, Robert A.M.Stephens NASA Documentation Program Stillwater Mills-Aerospace KSC-PIB/shuttle/MSF 406-745-3818 sti3818@montana.com http://www.stephens-behold.com/index.html http://www.nasa.gov/siteindex.html http://www.stephens-behold.com/c.html Dissent is my Business
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Look Sharp! Feel Sharp! Be Sharp! From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:02:10 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:37:33 -0400 Subject: Look Sharp! Feel Sharp! Be Sharp! Wednesday, May 19, 1999 Published at 17:16 GMT 18:16 UK Close shave with asteroid By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse A large asteroid could miss the Earth by only 38,000 kilometres in 2027, according to new astronomical observations. This is an extremely close shave - the Moon orbits 10 times further from Earth. The calculations suggest that an impact is not possible that year but, in theory, the Earth's gravity could perturb the asteroid's path, possibly leading to an impact in 2039. The near-miss trajectory of a newly-discovered asteroid, called 1999 AN10, was announced in April. Now, the observational data of Australian astronomer F. Zoltowski allows calculations of just how close the asteroid may come to Earth. Closer and closer Astronomers at the Minor Planet Center at the US Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory used Zoltowski's work to work out an estimated approach distance for AN10 of 56,500 kilometres from Earth. The fly-by will occur on August 7, 2027. But the closest possible distance that AN10 could come to the Earth on that day is only 38,000km. The calculations suggest the asteroid will not impact. But the new calculations confirm the initial speculation that the asteroid might approach within the Earth's sphere of gravitational influence. It could therefore be perturbed in such a way that it might impact some years later. Impossible to predict Dr Benny Peiser of Liverpool John Moore's University in England says that the chaotic behaviour of this asteroid makes it practically impossible to predict all possible approaches for more than a few decades after any close encounter. He says the orbit will remain dangerously close to the orbit of the Earth for about 600 years. Astronomers stress that a collision is only one of a range of possibilities for this kilometre-wide chunk of rock. If it did strike, it would cause continent-wide devastation and alter the Earth's climate.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:58:50 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:40:39 -0400 Subject: Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:02:58 -0700 >From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Re: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux >>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> >>Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:17:48 -0700 >>Fwd Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:31:47 -0400 >>Subject: The 'Battle of Los Angeles' - Redux <snip> >5. Searchlights caught an object in their beams and the >AAA opened up. <snip> >6) While the AAA may have fired on a balloon initially.... Would the photo at this URL be of the met balloon, then? http://www.sightings.com/objectcloseup.jpg According to the text at: http://www.sightings.com/ufo/battleofLA.htm "Pay close attention to the convergence of the searchlights and you will clearly see the shape of the visitor within the illuminated target area. It's a BIG item and seemed completely oblivious to the hundreds of AA shells bursting on and adjacent to it which caused it no evident dismay." Thanks, Keith
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 New Search Tool? From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:42:41 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: New Search Tool? Folks, The blurb below turned up on one of my periodic educational email newsletters: >GOV'T PROVIDES FREE WEB SEARCH >After launching a new search service for government Web sites >Monday and then pulling the service hours later due to concerns >about the fees involved, the Commerce Department says the service >is now online again, although it is not charging for the service. >The site (www.usgovsearch.com) initially charged a fee of $15 for >one day or $30 for monthly access, but the charge was temporarily >cancelled because it may conflict with the federal policy that >all government information be unrestricted to the public. Renee >Edwards, a spokeswoman for the National Technical Information >Service, which jointly developed the site with Northern Light >Technology, says the search engine will be available for free >while the government reviews its policy of unrestricted >information. (Associated Press 05/19/99) So, just for grins I visited the site and tried a search on "UFO" Some interesting stuff turned up. Just for example, here was the first site found on the list: >1% - Directories & Lists: UFO UFO ultra high frequency > (UHF) Follow-on Satellite System JP 1-02 ... 03/19/98 > Military site: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/ > acronym/u/04129.html Naturally, this URL wasn't accessible to peons like myself :-) In any case, try it out; who knows what might turn up? -Brian C.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 QUEST Magazine From: Philip Mantle - QUEST <pmquest@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:40:30 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:47:54 -0400 Subject: QUEST Magazine Dear Colleague, The next issue of Quest Magazine, which is Quest 4, will be a 'Mexico Speacial'. We will be looking at all things Mexican in the usual Quest way. Quest 5, will be an 'Egypt Speacial' and Quest 6 will be an 'Eclipse/Planets Special' to coincide with the total solar eclipse visible over Southern England on August 11. As the Commissioning Editor for Quest Magazine I am looking for contributions on these themes for the issues of Quest outlined above. If you have any ideas on these themes I would greatly appreciate it if you could contact me at: pmquest@dial.pipex.com I greatly appreciate your assistance with regards to the above and please forward this message onto any other possible interested parties. Yours Sincerely, Philip Mantle. Quest Magazine.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 20 Re: Sighting Reports from OZ 20th 5 1999 From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:27:35 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:54:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting Reports from OZ 20th 5 1999 The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia E-Mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au http://www.fan.net.au/~tkbnetw **************************************************************** UFO Australian Research Network Hot Line Number 1800 77 22 88 Free Call **************************************************************** Hi everyone Diane from OZ here I have been asked on many occasions how The Australian UFO Research Network "WORKs" & The Keith Basterfield Network works together " well simple" the person calls the UFO Hotline free and we call or e-mail the investigator to followup the call "simple" The investigator then e-mails, or snail mailsthe report back, like Keith Douglass in Alice Springs he snail mails but some e-mail right to The Keith Basterfield Network ASAP hencse everyone is kept informed a Great system don't you think?. I was told on may occasion that trying to pull UFO groups together would never work "you know something I hate the word "Never" I don't ever use the word :>) ______________ Now to business ______________ Below you will see reports that are old due to snail mail and some are solved. You may also take note which state in Australia is contributing to the UFO network keeping all Australian UFO Researchers informed of what is happening in their area, be it UFO or be it identified, here we have a very good balance. _____________________ Enjoy and more to come _____________________ Sighting Reports Jason Cowland AUFORC Victoria Re: Number 017 Frankston Vic 12th November 1998 A bright light was reported that flicked on and off and was moving up and down. When the light was off, a bark object or out line could be seen. The caller was very intrigued about the light and how amazing it looked. His initial call was at 12.20am. He then called back at 12.45pm to inform me that upon looking at the light through binoculars, much to his embarrassment, it turned out to be a high flood light for a tennis court which seemed to be shorting. The night was a windy and very wintery for this time of year. This may have contributed to his false identification. Re Number: 018 Caulfield Vic 14th November 1998 Orange lights reported at 11.00pm heading towards Moorabbin. Sighting lasted about 5 minutes waiting for report. Re number: 019 Frankston Vic 19th November 1998 Bright light sighted while watched Leniod Meteor Shower. The light was described as similar to an aircraft but seemed to hover. It passed over the witness with no sound. The witness believes it may have been an aircraft of some sort but was still curious about its behaviour and having no sound. Re Number: 020 Meadow Hts Vic 22nd November 1998 A call was received at 10.35pm to report a strange light over Tullamarine Airport. The strange light was just hovering and then moved away and appeared as a series of lights in a crescent moon shape pattern. The light then disappeared. The sighting lasted for about 3 minutes. Re Number: 021 Sunbury Vic 27th November 1998 A daylight sighting occurred at v 7.20pm over Subury area The witness described a ball type object travel across the sky at high speed. Planes for Tullamarine Airport could be seen under the object. Re number: 022 Nunawading Vic 11th December 1998 Three strange lights were seen in the eastern sky at approximately at a 45 degree angle. Initially only one light was seen at 10.00pm, which looked like a bright star. Two other lights were seen, all three were moving from left to right. The lights did not move across the sky together they moved individually in different directions. When viewed through binoculars they appeared domed shaped. Stabilising the binoculars was difficult; however, blue lights could be seen on one side and red on the other. All three lights were still visible at 12.00am, the witnesses were no longer intrigued and went to bed. Re Number: 023 Laverton Vic 21st December 1998 An interesting sighting which was witnessed by two people on Saturday the 19th December 1998 the couple is husband and wife and they were driving along Sayers Road (Laverton) towards the city at about 10.10pm. To the right hand side of the road towards the Airforce base, the husband saw a yellow light shoot up from the tree line and explode like a firework. However, the main light was still visible which began to slowly dim. The light then became brighter and moved as if plotting a graph making a square pattern in the sky, it then moved off into the clouds and drifted away. The couple also noticed some planes lower to the ground than the object, but could not confirm if the planes were from the RAAF base if they were involved at all. Re number 024 Toorak Vic 14th January 1999 A caller reported a strange light travelling across the sky at 11.00pm on Thursday night. Upon speaking to the individual, who described the light as moving horizontal to the horizon I believe that the witness saw a very bright meteor?. He could not give the elevation and only saw the light for about 6-7 seconds. Re Number 025 St Albans Vic 17th January 1999 On Sunday morning at 2.00am the witness saw a triangular pattern of lights heading West towards Sydenham area. The lights were high in the sky and also viewed through binoculars. The caller could not tell if the lights were all single or if they were a part of one object. Through binoculars the lights appeared to be flaming and were very high in the sky. The length of the sighting lasted about 5 minutes. Re Number 026 Black Rock Vic 23rd April 1999. Caller reports a strange luminous disk shape object towards the direction of Mordialloc. The object was seen when the witness was out with the telescope. It was present for at least 45 minutes and moved back and forth across the sky in an erratic pattern. It appeared to have a flat top with flashing lights on both sides. Re Number 027 Melton Vic 10th may 1999 A bright light was observed in the western sky descending to the ground at 5.30pm leaving a trail behind it. It was seen for approximately 10 minutes before disappearing out of view. Upon receiving this call I suspected the planet Jupiter as it would be in exactly the same position described, however, the fact that it was descending below the clouds that is the issue. I still feel that Jupiter may have been the culprit as the clear skies over the Melton horizon can seem to play tricks to the untrained eye. DH Thank you to Jason Cowland AUFORC Victoria for sharing these reports with us all :>) keep up the greatwork Regards Diane ****************************************************** UFO Hotline callin's and how they work ****************************************************** Code: 00114 Date: 3/5/99 Day; Monday Time Reported : 7.14pm Source: Kate F Location: S/A ? Report given to nearest rep: Peter Johnson E-mail: Message: Please phone, sorry no further message given on the recorded machine. Regards Jan ____________________________________ FOLLOWUP: UFO Investigator Peter Johnson AUFORN South Australia ____________________________________ Call in code 00114 Date 3.5.99 Day Wednesday Time: 12:22 Time sighted 7:30pm Place : Myponga, Adelaide S.A. Sightee : Kate Fl Age : 25 Description : 6 lights in a row the length of your arm Report : I was sitting out side when I saw some lights travel across the sky horizontally to and just above the Adelaide hills, then they just disappeared. My boy friend said that they could have been shooting stars but they were travelling together (6 lights in a line)P.J. and they were travelling too slow? (time seen for 4-5 seconds) I couldn't work out what they were. Peter Johnson. ****************************************************** Code: 000118 Date 6th 5 1999 Day: Thursday Time Reported: 6.09am Source: Owen ? Location: Elizabeth, South Australia Spencer Gulf Tel 08 8252 Report Given to nearest Rep: Peter Johnson South Australia Message: We have been eye balling a huge object in the sky since 5.00am this Morning I will try and take a photo of it. ___________________________________________ FOLLOWUP: UFO Investigator Peter Johnson AUFORN South Australia ___________________________________________ Code: 000118 Date 6th 5 1999 Day: Thursday Time Reported: 6.09am Source: Owen ? Location: Elizabeth, South Australia Spencer Gulf Hi Di, I rang Graham M last night He said: Date : he thinks it was 6.5.99 Time : 4:45 am Place : Elizabeth Park, Adelaide Time sighted for : about 45 mins I went out side for a smoke (how many times have you heard that) and caught sight of a bright light about the size of a large strawberry at arms length at a hight of between 400-500 feet it was moving from side to side and up and down, I suggested that maybe it might have been a bright star and the movement an optical illusion, he flatly rejected this and said this job required him to do drawings of furniture and that he was aware of optical illusions and that he would not make a mistake like that besides it was too big and too bright to be a star, and it then disappeared. I asked whether he had taken any photos of the object, he said that he did but he thought that because he only had an ordinary camera that he didn't think that it would show up very well. I said that if it did show up I would like a print (hope it works out) I have sent a report form out to him. He said that he rang Edinborough DOD Testing facility and RAAF Base which is in the direction of the light he said he saw and asked them if they had anything up at that time and got the predictable reply of no. He also said that the light looked to be out over the gulf which made me wonder why he rang DOD because although it might be in the right direction the gulf is approximately 5 km further on. Any way it does show that at least he was curious enough to check, he obviously thought in his mind that it was some thing unusual. He said it is not the first time he has see unusual lights in the sky out over the Gulf. NOTE * The Gulf he refers to is Saint Vincent's Gulf which is Between Adelaide and York Peninsula Catch u later Peter Johnson. ********************************************************** Code: 00115 Date: 03/05/99 Day; Monday Time Reported: 7.32PM Source: LEIGH G Location: SYDNEY NSW Report given to nearest rep: UFO Investigator Doug Moffett UFOR NSW Message I saw something in the sky, I don't know what it is please call Regards JAN __________________________________ FOLLOWUP: UFO Investigator Gary UFOR NSW __________________________________ Code: 00115 Date: 03/05/99 Time Reported: 7.32PM Location: SYDNEY NSW Report given to nearest rep: Investigator Gary UFOR NSW Goodday I'm Gary an investigator with UFOR NSW Doug sent this report for me to do after talking to Mrs Leigh Gardner twice we were able to identify the object The Object was the Whiteman's chocolate blimp If you require more info please get back in touch with me Thankx for your time Shado *************************************************************** Code: 00125 Date: 10/5/99 Day; MONDAY Time Reported: 7.30PM Source: MRS MARGARET MC Location: VICTORIA Report given to nearest rep: TONY COOK. VUFORS MESSAGE: Margaret says she saw a very strange looking star tonight. She said it was very large and low in the sky and she has not seen it before, in the north, north west. Regards Jan ____________________________________ FOLLOWUP: UFO Investigator Tony Cook VUFORS ___________________________________ Code: 00125 Date: 10/5/99 Day; MONDAY Time Reported: 7.30PM Source: MRS MARGARET MC Location: VICTORIA Report given to nearest rep: TONY COOK Hello Jan, This is one of many reports that VUFORS has received lately that has found to be due to Venus. On the 10th of May at 19:30, Venus was at 310 degrees (North East) very low on the horizon (less than 10 degrees) when viewed from Melbourne. Also, the Whitman Lightship travelled from Sydney to Melbourne over the weekend of 8th & 9th of May. It was illuminated during the evening and this also has generated some reports to VUFORS. The Lightship will be present in Melbourne for around a week before returning to Sydney. (This schedule is not firm) Regards, Tony Cook VUFORS - Secretary PS. Please e-mail replies etc. to vufors@ozemail.com.au **************************************************************** Code: 00093 Date 18th 4 1999 Day: Sunday Time Reported: 6.51pm Source: Julie N Location: Newcastle NSW Report Given to nearest Rep: UFOR NSW E- mail Anthony Clarke Message: 2 orange lights close together moving very slow out to see "No lights flashing" Regards Diane Harrison ___________________________________ FOLLOWUP Investigator Anthony Clarke UFOR NSW ___________________________________ Code: 00093 Date 18th 4 1999 Day: Sunday Time Reported: 6.51pm Source: Julie N & Mr R Location: Newcastle NSW Report Given to nearest Rep: UFOR NSW Anthony Clarke Raymond M reporting sighting of same lights at 6.51pm over beach at Stockton, Newcastle moving out to sea. The wind had been blowing from the West at the time of sighting. At time I concluded that there was a high probability that the Reported sightings were caused by garbage bag type devices. Simlar devise where reported to Barry Taylor in Grafton. END ***************************************************** Team work "way to go OZ :>)" Regards Diane Harrison Co Director of The Australian UFO Research Network Founder of The Keith Basterfield Network Australasia Australian Skywatch Director
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:19:04 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:26:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:25:00 EDT >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: updates@globalserve.net >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>There is, after all, no shortage of conspiracist >>and/or racist websites, and anybody who is so >>inclined can go to one of them and >>rant and rave to his heart's content. >>>You won't have it here, though?>> <Snipped balanced remarks> >I have no objection to Jeff posting whatever he wants _that's >the nature of a free press, or free Internet, if you will. But >he should make no pretense that he is trying to advance the >cause of truth. And I think you miss his intent if you think he's advancing the cause of truth. _Everything_ needs the light pardner. It is light that is our salvation. I'll try to evaluate a position fairly even when the message is uncomfortable to my sensibilities. Any editorialization is someone making a judgment for me. I've had enough of that. I'll make up my own mind -- and write about it. >By publishing only the overblown claims of those who agree with >his premise (NATO equals the antichrist; the Serbs are innocent >victims), Rense is simply advocating a political belief. No it's a point of view, that given 'air' does not seem to catch fire! The juxtaposition of the the official party lines overlaid with the busy camouflage of mass burial sites says more about the Serbian contingent than would have otherwise _been_ said. On reflection, sir, I think you'll agree. >The point that Jerry Clark was trying to make, and that I think >Alfred does not appreciate, is that the editor of this forum is >under no obligation to republish letters about subjects that are >irrelevant to research of UFOs. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the moderator of this forum has a holistic view of the subject that list members under-appriciate. I think he understands that UFOs are _not_ best studied with a narrow view or with self-limiting filters attached. I think he suspects a government involvment, I think he is concerned with environmental issues playing a large part. I think he ponders the sociological and psychological implications of the strangest occurrences of our time. I think he understands, and I think Rense understands, that the UFO conundrum is broader based than anyone is going to give it credit for. The reasons for UFOs have their genesis in what we _are_, socially, culturally, environmentally. It is most _assuredly_ not the thin-skinned bean counting of some. These people know who they are. >Every publication has its editing standards. My own newspaper, >for instance, no longer publishes letters about abortions, >regardless of whether the writer supports or opposes it. The >managing editor and publisher believe that attitudes about >abortion are now fixed and polarized, and most letters about >abortion tend to be too graphic for many of our readers. The study, discussion, and dissection of the abortion issue involves an impetus and imperative that rams it forcefully in the face of all america anyway! Of course you can stop publishing that! You publish the stuff that _doesn't_ get the light -- UFOs, anti-Semitism, and suspicions for conspiracy. Apples and oranges, sir. >So to answer Alfred's question, no, I don't want the kind of >overblown, anti-semitic rantings that Rense has chosen to >publish as part of UFO UpDates, which I believe is without equal >as a forum for the discussion of UFOs. I think you oversell this sir. You confuse balance and exposure with canted personal ravings. Keep giving me _all_ the news, Jeff! >Let Rense be Rense. Well, amen! >Perhaps he will eventually come to his >senses, but I doubt it. It just goes to show that when people >have certain interests in common _be it UFOs, restoring old >cars, or baseball_ it doesn't mean they share all interests and >beliefs. Wow -- I think you do a disservice to the balance that Mr. Rense displays in an unflinching journalism. It very well may mean World War Three, after all. As you said -- "Let Rense be Rense." Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:37:18 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:31:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:51:43 -0700 >From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:56:23 -0500 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >>Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>Yeah, as if Hynek hadn't already written a couple of books on >>his own by then, and established CUFOS in the bargain. Hynek >>still had a scientific reputation to protect, Imbrogno and Pratt >>didn't. No real wonder he didn't want to sign on to everything >>they did. In fact, Hynek was essentially a silent partner in the >>book, basically lending his good name to boost sales of a book >>that wouldn't have achieved same without it. And for this he >>gets hammered? Why do you think Imbrogno and Pratt wanted his >>name on the cover? And did it ever occur to you that some of the >>more "bizarre information" the two collected simply may not have >>passed Hynek's scientific muster test? >Well Dennis Stacy comes rampaging out of the woodwork once again. Rampaging out of the woodwork? Don, old boy, where have you been? I post here more than you do. If anyone has sawdust on their shoulders here it's you, not me. >Remember when I appeared on Larry King Live and made the >statement about General Douglas MacArthur and his warning the >class at West Point that at some time they might have to face an >interplanetary enemy? >You and Pat Buchannan both had a "kitty." Of course you didn't >hear me when I said I had the speech by MacArthur with me, >however LKL ran out of time. I couldn't show it, and of course >the next 4 times I appeared on LKL it never came up. Ooo, Dennis >Stacy couldn't wait to skewer me in the pages of the Muffin >Journal. Course you had to eat your words next issue. You were >wrong....again. Sure do, and, no, I didn't have to eat my words. I could have pretended as if nothing had happened. Instead, I did the honorable thing... I admitted my mistake and put it in print. Something wrong with that? How many mistakes have you admitted in print lately -- or don't you make them? >Seems to me that about 5 years ago you and I were arguing over a >book review I did on Randel and Schmitts Roswell book. I liked >the book, you didn't. You had lots of nasty things to say. >Tough. I still corresponded with you until you started avoiding >things you didn't want to HAVE to answer. >>the heavy-handed American SS troops? >>And Frankies Rowe and Kaufmann? Well, we all have our >>weaknesses. >The above is from Stacy's recent post, but he got all hot and >heavy breathing over an anology I made to what were US Counter >Intelligence Corp troops in the aftermath of the Roswell event. >I said in my review that they "operated in the best tradition of >the Nazi SS". I refered to numerous accounts were it was reported >that American citizens had their lives threatened by US >military if they talked about what they saw or heard. Stacy had >a cow at my reference. No, I didn't have a lot of nasty things to say. I wrote a letter to UFO Magazine (which was published, thank you) basically objecting to the characterization of US troops behaving at Roswell in the best Nazi SS tradition, an analogy I thought over the top then, to say the least, and still do. (The SS didn't threaten, they executed.) If you want to continue to defend your earlier assertion, based on the dubious testimony of Glenn Dennis and others, then by all means please do so. I'm hardly the only one to come out of the woodwork who has problems with Dennis's fictitious nurse and his account of being threatened. Perhaps you still believe him? Fine, it's a free country. >Course Dennis himself never served in the American military, >never wore a uniform himself. I do think he mentioned one time >that his daddy was in..........WWII or somesuch..... Yes, and so what? Does this make me unworthy to post to this list regarding something you posted simply because you did? >Now back to our correspondence. When Stacy went off on me >because of my review, I asked him what his stance was (he was >editor of the MUFON Journal then) on Walt Andrus's (then) very >recent statement that the flavor of the month at the time of our >correspondence, was the Michigan sightings. >Walt went on national TV and stated that they were "_proof_" of >alien or ET visitation! I asked Stacy 3 or more times where his >vaunted outrage was, or did he perhaps agree with Walt. >Well, the old buck-er-roo avoided answering me each time I >asked, and to make sure that he was able to read my question I >increased the size of my fonts....to larger and then really big! > >He refused to acknowledge my question. Guess he didn't want to >piss the boss off. So I told him then that "if you want to debate >then answer the question, if not then don't bother writing me." >So, why bother writing me? Not exactly my memory of things. Perhaps you didn't like my answer? Or maybe you didn't use 72-pt type? Sometimes you have to speak really loud to get my attention. But since you seem to think that my personally having to answer for every word that comes out of Walt's mouth is a matter of some significance, maybe you would like to account for that travesty of history (both of the Cold War and 20th century technology) that is "The Day After Roswell"? Ghosted by none other than your present publisher and executive editor. Pity is, you probably believe the damn thing. >As to Jim McDonald he was a great man, put his money where his >mouth was with Menzel, Hynek, Klass and even Congress. And for >Stacy to defame him.... well Hell, I would expect no less from >the ol' buck-er-roo. I didn't defame anyone. You painted the world in black and white: Hynek as a Quisling and "company man," McDonald as something akin to Joan of Arc. But the world ain't b&w, Don, it's gray, all 256 scales. Like it or lump it. Hynek eventually showed some signs of courage, and McDonald, alas, didn't, when it mattered most. Doesn't mean he wasn't both courageous and passionate about the UFO subject. But let's don't make one into the devil and the other into god. If you've read Vallee's diaries, then you know that McDonald had a sort of bull in the china shop aspect to him. >Dennis, my advice is to go down to ol' "Slim's Bar n Grill" , >order yurself a "Lone Star" and shove that in your mouth instead >of your foot every time you come out here in the public. >Don Ecker Actually, I prefer Shiner Bock these days. But if you'd like a case of Lone Star for your own personal use -- assuming, of course, that you ever make a mistake about anything -- I'd be happy to send you one. You never know when it might come in handy. Or is it footy? Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: New Search Tool? From: Kim Burrafato <lensman@stardrive.org> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:05:07 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: New Search Tool? >Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:42:41 -0500 (CDT) >From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: New Search Tool? >The blurb below turned up on one of my periodic educational >email newsletters: >>GOV'T PROVIDES FREE WEB SEARCH >>After launching a new search service for government Web sites >>Monday and then pulling the service hours later due to concerns >>about the fees involved, the Commerce Department says the service >>is now online again, although it is not charging for the service. >>The site (www.usgovsearch.com) initially charged a fee of $15 for >>one day or $30 for monthly access, but the charge was temporarily >>cancelled because it may conflict with the federal policy that >>all government information be unrestricted to the public. Renee >>Edwards, a spokeswoman for the National Technical Information >>Service, which jointly developed the site with Northern Light >>Technology, says the search engine will be available for free >>while the government reviews its policy of unrestricted >>information. (Associated Press 05/19/99) >So, just for grins I visited the site and tried a search on >"UFO" Some interesting stuff turned up. Just for example, here >was the first site found on the list: >>1% - Directories & Lists: UFO UFO ultra high frequency >> (UHF) Follow-on Satellite System JP 1-02 ... 03/19/98 >> Military site: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/ >> acronym/u/04129.html > >Naturally, this URL wasn't accessible to peons like myself :-) >In any case, try it out; who knows what might turn up? Brian, I was able to get to the page. All it is a "ultra high frequency (UHF) Follow-on Satellite System JP 1-02." You can get to the actual index listing by going to the following URL below: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/acronym/u/ Happy hunting. ======================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: UFO Ballot From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:56:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:57:40 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Ballot Folks, This Friday evening at ten PM east coast time, UFO Desk will feature Stephen Bassett of Paradigm Research, Larry Bryant of Mufon, James Graves representing CAUS in New York. Please join us as we discuss the possibilities of launching a UFO ballot initiative. Are you prepared for year 2000 to be known as the year of the UFO? The UFO ballot initiative calls for opening the vails of secrecy surrounding this topic. UFO Desk is produced with Scott Carr editor of Flying Saucer Gazette, and myself Paul Williams creator of UFO Desk. Hoping you will join us. Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk - WBAI NY 99.5 ICQ#32519151 Listen to UFO Desk on the web, Friday evening 2200hrs (10pm) east coast time @ http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:35:11 -0300 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:01:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:46:02 -0500 >From: Loy Pressley <lkpres@koyote.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>From: Thiago Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:44:01 -0300 >>We can see how serious he was first chosen to investigate UFO >>phenomena. He did not believe in UFOs but after he saw so much >>true evidence, he changed his mind and began to study UFOs and >>the truth about them. >It might be good to keep in mind that Dr. Hynek was also >responsible for the "swamp gas" explanation for UFO sightings. >He gave this explanation for UFO sightings while he was assigned >as the sole professional astronomer consultant assigned to >Project Blue Book. Dr. James E. McDonald severely criticized >Dr. Hynek for this preposterous explanation to which Dr. Hynek >alluded to the fact that he had to "bow" to the pressures put on >him by the government to explain away all UFO sightings as >natural objects or loose his job. Although McDonald had high >hopes for the credibility of the Blue Book project when Dr. >Hynek was first assigned as consultant, he soon lost faith in >the program after he found out that Dr. Hynek was just another >spokesman for the "party line". McDonald and Hynek had several >emotional discussions where McDonald berated him publicly for >not standing up for what he believed. >Loy I agree with you, but the most important is to know that then he became a UFO research and a believer... We need more person like him...the ufology today is going to a bad way...that's my opinion. Cheers mate. THIAGO LUIZ TICCHETTI Diretor Do Departamento de Publica=E7=E3o e Tradu=E7=E3o Especializadas (DEPTE - EBE-ET/Brasilia-Brasil) Director of the Publication Department and Specialized Translation ICQ - 35119615
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Filer's Files #20 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:52:23 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:32:46 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #20 Filer's Files #20 --1999, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director, May 21, 1999, Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020 SPACEMAN IN THE DEAD SEA SCRIPTURES In my conversation with Astronaut Edgar Mitchell he emphasized that the Dead Sea Scrolls are very important in regard to solving the secrets of the UFOs. "The Zadokite Document," discovered fifty years ago in an old synagogue in Cairo, confirms Genesis and mentions the landing of Spacemen, their giant offspring and immorality. "Because they walked in the stubbornness of their hearts, the Watchers of heaven fell, yea, they were caught thereby because they kept not the Commandments of God. So too their Sons whose height was like the lofty cedars and whose bodies were as mountains. They also fell." The Scriptures of the Dead Sea Sect by Theodore H. Gaster. NEW JERSEY OCEANPORT -- Skywatch International Inc. reports that on May 16, 1999, there was a UFO sighting at 3:34 AM. A Golden red "sphere" was observed at approximately 10,000 feet in altitude, flying due south at a constant velocity, altitude and brightness. This is similar to a thousand other nighttime sphere sightings, with one exception, I live within an equilateral of military bases, Fort Monmouth, Ft. Earl, and C-Comm. The sphere passed directly overhead of Fort Monmouth's three radar dishes. Thanks to PBT@mail.wheelockinc.com SOUTH CAROLINA HARTSVILLE -- Terry Kimbrell MUFON/ISUR Field Investigator reports sighting a boomerang shaped UFO on the night of May 8, 1999. We were star gazing outside my at 10:27 PM, when my niece exclaimed WOW!!! When I looked up, I saw a "darker than night" boomerang-shaped shadow glide silently overhead. My 16 year old niece and myself witnessed the "glide-over." Even though my field of view was brief, the boomerang outline was very distinct. The object had rounded edges, with 7 yellow-gold lights lining the front edge. One light was at the front and three were down each leg. The lights did not reflect on the object, just points of light, as if they might be recessed. I lost sight after the object passed over the roof of the house. The first sighting was by my niece who saw the object at 40 degrees above the horizon. She saw five patterns connected together in a V-shape at less than a mile. They were a dull gray, reflecting the city lights in the distance from below. She made a drawing on my request showing the shape of the patterns. There were concave arcs on the front and convex arcs on the back. She did not see the 7 lights, that is one reason I think they were recessed in the object. I saw them when the craft was directly overhead. The apparent size was 2 =BD to 3 inches from tip to tip at arm's length giving it a calculated size of 500 to 600 feet. The angle of the boomerang wing was 120 degrees. The craft was flying from the west to the northeast at 500 to 600 MPH. Its altitude was 2,000 to 3,000 feet. The sighting was for 5 to 7 seconds. We contacted police, radar sites, and Sergeant Pintar Shaw Air Base, Sumter, SC. She said they only had F-16's stationed there and no Stealth aircraft, nor boomerangs, etc. My investigation is still ongoing. I made a computer generated drawing of the UFO that can be sent on request to: JJLJ45A@ prodigy.com. Thanks to Terry Kimbrell FLORIDA TAMPA BAY -- MUFON's David Ring writes they have started investigation of the Lsound case and his videos. The images he presents under magnification may be distortions. (This may be due to the difficulty of obtaining good night time videos.) The area where lights are being seen is on the flight path to Avon Park Bombing Range. Flares are know to be used in the area. He does have some unusual video footage which has been evaluated by one of our local computer whizzes that seems interesting. We need to obtain more information about Lsound's unusual experiences. There may well be something there, but additional investigation is needed. Lsound claims to have seen a physical craft about 50 to 100 feet above his car after chasing one of the lights last year. That does not mean all the lights he or his children see are physical craft. We have asked him to alert us when he next sees the lights so we can make our evaluations of what is out there. Thanks to David Ring, sol_dr@hotmail.com. Editor's Note: Avon Park Bombing Range has been a hot bed for UFO reports since the 1950s. UFOs have often appeared to be entering and departing the range. LOUISIANA LAKE CHARLES -- J. R. Tibodeaux says, "I witnessed something very strange out side my home May 16, 1999, I was outside stargazing as I usually do. I noticed and odd looking light or star like object moving north at around 22:00 hours. At first I thought it was just a star, but as I watched I realized it was at 10,000 feet or so, and it was slowly descending. It finally came to a stop at around 500 feet above the ground and remained idle with no movement or noise. It was a triangular shape craft that had a blue glow to it and three bright purple lights one at each corner. This craft was enormous in size about 300 feet across. It stayed hovering over my house for at least 4 to 6 minutes. Then the craft's purple lights turned off and it emitted a whine noise and rapidly lifted up in the sky. It climbed to about 6000 feet. It accelerated and took off at a very high speed probably over 500 mph. It was out of my view within 20 seconds. This is the second time, I have witnessed a similar craft this year. If you have any information please share it with me. Thanks to: J. R Tibodeaux, JRT187 NEW MEXICO Colin McFadden visited Mike Broussard Guestbook and posted the following sighting. Colin writes, "On May 6, 1999, I was backpacking in an area 85 miles south of Roswell. All week long I had heard military jets making rumbling noises doing training and testing in the area, but not making sonic booms. Thursday night, I was sitting outside my tent in the middle of the desert looking at the sky. Overhead, a plane about the size of mid sized commercial jet such as a 737 flew by at a very low altitude. A few hundred feet behind what my have been a 737 was a HUGE black aircraft. Its great size dwarfed the first jet. The black aircraft was dark so I could not actually see the whole shape. Based on the pattern of the lights, it looked like there was a fuselage with a single wing going off at a right angle. The lights were flashing in an odd pattern unlike commercial or military aircraft. Did anybody else see this craft? Thanks to Colin McFadden at mcfadden@athenet.net see http://www.athenet.net/~mcfadden and Mike Broussard's Guestbook http://www.1stnet.com/~mikeb NEVADA AREA 51 -- Frits Westra --- UFO Netherlands reports from "Kim and Keith." Yesterday, May 14, 1999, I saw my first UFO. I was flying from Phoenix to Oakland on an America West 737. We were approaching the Sierra Nevada's Mountains on a completely clear morning. They are now splendid with a late snow. I noticed we had flown over several commercial jetliners headed in the opposite direction. At about 9:15 AM, as I looked up from watching a jet pass under us, I clearly saw a black-looking angular aircraft. It was rising slowly from just below our altitude. It had no familiar shapes of wings or tail protruding, but it was definitely angular. It was maybe 5 miles away and I watched it for about a minute or two. I thought our pilots must certainly be aware of it, since it was a potential collision threat, being level with our jet. It's direction of travel was opposite to ours at first, but extremely slow. As I watched, it did not get smaller, as it surely would have at our speeds. Its motion ceased to be counter to ours, and instead, it stayed even with us. I kept my eyes on it in avid interest. Then, I glanced down for a blink of an eye, and when I looked up, it was totally absent from the sky! It could not have disappeared in that time period. After the flight, I spoke with the pilot. He said we had been over Area 51, when I saw the craft, but he had not seen it, or even been aware of it! The pilot said many strange craft are reported there. Guess this is another one. Thanks to Kim and Keith" kandk@jps.net, and Frits Westra , fwestra@hetnet.nl UFO-Workgroup Netherlands. SEWAGE IS FALLING ON UTAH? SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Maybe it's a bird, maybe it's a plane. But it is certainly sewage. And it's no joke in the Salt Lake Valley, where gobs of thick, raw sewage have fallen from the sky a dozen times since April 9, soiling as many as seven houses at once. Neighbors are pointing fingers at aircraft, but the Federal Aviation Administration says commercial jets aren't designed to jettison sewage. Sheriff's deputies are studying `splatter patterns'' and firefighters are hosing down houses. Prosecutors have assigned an investigator to the case and authorities are issuing stern warnings. `It has never been funny,'' said Mayor Janice Auger of hard-hit suburban Taylorsville. "The experience is really gross. The smell is terrible. This is a health issue. There's a lot of diseases in fecal matter.'' "It is feces, but they can't tell if it's animal or human,'' sheriff's Capt. Lee Smith said of the first lab tests on the foul emissions. The FAA, no stranger to reports of weird phenomena, doesn't know what to make of the mess. ``We never heard anything like this,'' agency spokesman Mitch Barker said, `` =A9 Copyright 1999 The Associated Press 5/15/99; Ufo Contat. Editor's Note: Could it be aliens? : -) OMEGA INSIGNIA ON RHODE ISLAND UFO CREATES RESPONSES ROBERT OMEGA -- writes as of late there have been considerable inquiries of the meaning behind the Omega Agency insignia. I assure you all that the meaning is nonviolent or threatening in any way. I will explain the insignia for all who are interested. 1) The triangular shape outlining the insignia stands for the power created through the bringing together of all worlds and races. 2) The symbol of Omega does stand for the end. The end of an existence of turmoil, struggle and war, a new beginning, a new peace. 3) The Earth represents the presence of Omega Agency here on Earth. 4) The lightning bolts symbolize the power of the Universe. An energy shared by all. 5) The number in the lower right-hand corner represents the craft of a member of the Omega Fifteen. As I have stated in previous letters, Omega Agency is not on Earth to take over or to lead Earth to a new future. Omega Agency is here to offer Earth and its people a new way of life. A way of life where everyone is a productive citizen of society. A way of life free of prejudice and hate. In short, Omega Agency will not harm, threaten or take over the Earth. As one with the Universe, Robert Barry Taylor. UFO Researcher Australia writes. Regarding Robert Omega's statements in your files last week. He appears to be full of B.S. (Oz expression) he says.. "The triangular design has been found to be the most aerodynamic shape for travel, much as the United States' Stealth fighter." >From my observations of REAL UFO's, the 'Disc'(lens) shape and 'sphere' are the most common, hence most efficient shaped craft for Space travel. Triangle craft may be used as 'scouts' based in Mother Ship 'cigars'. We all know that the Stealth fighter is a very unstable aircraft to fly (Hence the elaborate computer system to aid flight), and is not very aerodynamic as far as unpowered gliding is concerned. Remember the one that crashed into houses at an Air Show some time back? Robert Omega also said, "Omega's craft have the capability of traveling at speeds from two miles per hour to as fast as three times the speed of light." If he really knew what he was talking about, he should have said. "From hovering to 'teleportation.' Just a thought. Thanks to Barry Taylor stingray@nor.com.au. UFO Home Page http://www.nor.com.au/users/stingray/ STUDY ON ROSWELL PHOTOS CONTINUE Niel Morris from Manchester, England sends a few comments on the pictures taken by Bond Johnson in General Ramey's office in July of 1947. I know Jesse Marcel has often said that his father always maintained that there was a mixture of debris in the pictures shot at Fort Worth. George Filer has said this too. Well, at last we may have some hard evidence that this might be true. There are two strings of what could be "numbers", that could be read as "7" "5" "3" etc. But in the left hand image you can make out what could quite easily be read as "3a 4 1/2" followed by possibly "J". These characters do seem to be nearer "normal" earthbound script than anything else on the debris. Elsewhere in the pictures the style, characters, and the "number strings" show a distinct change of style in these "symbols." The number "5" character is actually constructed, very unlike how I would write or print a 5. Looking closely at the characters the "normal" interpretation is a little open, as there are a number of markings and symbols close by and also associated with the characters, which cannot be interpreted as "normal" in content. The more I look at the construction of the "3a" the more I feel this is in fact a single symbol who's lower section is badly registered in the picture, but I can't account for the "1/2" in this way. I could be quite wrong with this interpretation but I thought it should be aired. I'm not too happy at giving these a total thumbs up as being conclusively "earthbound" numbers? Any comments gratefully received. The other features shown is "the emblem" as seen from a slightly different angle in the General Ramey alone photo. The decorative nature of the design though the "mouth" symbol doesn't show up too well. There is an "interesting" piece of metallic looking debris, that sits on the "white" material that the "emblem" is found on. It looks like an animal head with two eyes that's looking at the camera. (Note) It doesn't seem very logical to draw pictures of animals and strange symbols on a Mogul Balloon. Neil Morris continues, "I've been forced to have a rethink regarding the 'emblem' at the top left corner of the message held in General Ramey's hand. I'm currently part way through a new set of images reflecting this. I decided to give the "emblem" another look-over this time from another scan from the collection I'm assembling. This has borne fruit as I now think I can give a reasonably accurate description of just what the "emblem" or more correctly the "seal" looked like. Tracing the rounded pattern further I realized it's actually a "circular" feature if you compensate for the geometry of the folded sheet of paper. Also when this compensation is done a very symmetrical feature in the center of this "circle" became apparent. I came across a document dated 1950, that had in it's top left corner the seal of the US Department of Defense that seems to match! The symmetrical features were the wings of the US Eagle holding the arrows of war in it's claws! To the left of the Eagle there is still the distinct "delta" arrow feature. I'm hoping when I've completed a "mockup" of this Seal, it will tell us just where the Ramey Message originated!" Thanks to Neil Morris at: neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk eil and http://adm2.ph.man.ac.uk/ftw-pics/index.htm CROP CIRCLES CANADA -- The Circles Phenomenon Research Team reports as we head into the last summer before the new millennium, the crop circles are once again returning to fields around the world. There are a dozen formations now in England as of this update (all in oil-seed rape -- canola in North America) and the first report for this year in Germany. The circle season in England got off to its earliest start of any year so far, with the first formation reported in early April. There is an interesting array of overlapping circles and rings. One crop circle appears to include a 617 foot depiction of this summer's upcoming major eclipse? There are old-style early '90s type pictograms and crescents. Will they also return to Canada? Time will tell since most formations in Canada are reported in late July or August. If you see or hear of any reports of possible circles, please do let us know! Thanks to Paul Anderson Director Circles Phenomenon Research Canada CONTRAIL SIGHTINGS INCREASE Strange contrail sightings increased this week over the entire east coast. Photographs and reports continue to come in from the US and Canada. Contrail Connection is taking over reports for the Strange Haze Website, as the owner takes on a new career. Thanks to Strange Haze for all the fine reports. For more information and the latest updates please visit the Contrail Connection at: http://www.contrailconnection.com Thanks to Chuck and Cathie Warren BRITISH HID UFOs USING THE OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT Author Nick Redfern reports a break through in proving UFO data was hidden by the Official Secrets Act and the Joint Intelligence Committee. Has the British Government ever used the Official Secrets Act to silence those implicated in the UFO subject? To those armchair researchers who proclaim that such an idea is absurd, I say: 'Think again.' In my first book, A Covert Agenda, I presented clear evidence via officially released documents now available at the Public Record Office at Kew, that in both 1953 and 1956 orders were circulated throughout the RAF warning personnel not to talk about the UFO issue outside of official channels. However, the records which had been declassified at the time I wrote the book did not directly reference the OSA or its potential use from a ufological perspective. Nevertheless, I was also able to present the testimony of a number of individuals who asserted that the OSA had been used to keep the truth surrounding UFOs under wraps. Through a file that I secured only days ago from the PRO, I am now able to prove conclusively that UFOs and the Official Secrets Act go hand in hand. Exactly why the Government has chosen to release this file is a mystery in itself, given that it sharply contradicts past assertions. The file titled 'UFO Policy' covers the period 1958 to 1963 and revolves around UFO investigations undertaken by various Air Ministry departments during that time frame. Contained within the file is a 6-page document dating from December 1960 and circulated at 'Secret' level throughout the Royal Air Force. Like earlier papers, it details the procedures to be followed in the event that military radar operators, RAF pilots, civil pilots or members of the public should report a UFO. Interestingly, however, the paper in question contains two eye-opening revelations. First, it states that in situations where UFOs were tracked on radar, any military aircraft in the vicinity were to be diverted from their normal flight to 'investigate the phenomena.' Second, and far more significant, is the Air Ministry's overwhelming desire to prevent the media and the public learning about such intrusions, trackings and interceptions. I quote from the paper in question: 'The Press are never to be given information about unusual radar sightings. Unauthorized disclosures of this type will be viewed as offences under the Official Secrets Act. Editor's Note: When flying for the USAF in February of 1962, we were in orbit for refueling operations over the North Sea at 30,000 feet in our KB-50 J tanker aircraft. At 9:00 PM, London Control excitedly notified us that they had an unidentified object hovering between Oxford and Stonehenge at around 1,000 feet altitude. We were asked if we were willing to investigate? Our refueling mission was about over, so we quickly agreed to chase their UFO. We were given an intercept heading and started to dive toward the UFO. This was really fun and exciting compared to a standard mission. I never could recall such speed and power as our six engines were advanced to full military power as we dove on the target. London Control was diverting commercial aircraft to clear our path for the intercept. Then we realized we were above our red lined maximum speed and had trouble slowing our aircraft. London Control started giving our distance to the hovering UFO. They called out your 100 miles apart, 60, and 40. At about 30 miles my APS-23 Radar seem to pick up the hovering UFO directly ahead. It was an exceptionally large radar return reminding me of a large bridge or a ship such as a destroyer. This craft was as big or bigger than anything I had seen in the air before. The return was sharp and solid as compared to the fuzziness of a rain cloud. I felt this craft must be made of steel or strong metal. We were doing around 425 mph as we approached to about ten miles, when it apparently realized we were intercepting. It was a dark night, we could only see a series of dim lights directly ahead. Now only five miles separated us. Suddenly the UFO seemed to come alive, the lights brightened and the UFO accelerated in a launch similar to the Space Shuttle at night. We saw much brighter lights and fantastic acceleration almost straight up and suddenly it was gone. We asked London Control, "If they had any rocket launches in the area?" London Control seemed as disappointed as we were. The controller said, "There are no rocket launches in that area, thank you for the intercept, you are now cleared to return to your mission." Our mission was no longer a priority and we had to fly the normal routine traffic patterns. It is clear they felt there was a strong return for the 20 to 25 minutes it had taken to reach the UFO. We had been cleared directly through various altitudes, airways and commercial traffic so they must have considered this mission very important. I can still see that return in my mind's eye and I've been chasing UFOs ever since. UFO CONFERENCES: June 5 & 6, The 9th UFO/ET Congress at the Days Inn, Rt. 206 Bordentown, NJ. For more information call Pat Marcattilio at (609) 631-8955 or Tom Benson (609) 883-6921. Derrel Sims, Chief of Investigations, Saber Enterprises is just one of the scheduled speakers. July 2-4, 30th Annual MUFON 1999 International UFO Symposium at Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington Virginia. E-mail mufonhq@aol.com TAPE OF EDWARD'S AIR FORCE BASE UFO ENCOUNTER Sam Sherman's audio documentary tape called THE EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE ENCOUNTER on the night of October 7, 1965, uses the actual voice recordings provided by the Air Force. During this event 12 high tech luminous UFOs invade secure air space and came down low over the runways at Edwards AFB, where tower operator Chuck Sorrels spotted them and notified the Air Defense Command. I have met and spoken to Sorrels who is heard on the original tapes and in a new segment in which he verifies the event as it is heard on the archival recordings. The UFOs are described and a decision is made to launch F-106 interceptors. You are there in an important part of UFO history. Hear it for yourself, its probably the best tape ever made and its record of a real event. The cost of the tape is $14.95 each plus $2.00 for shipping -- total $16.95 -- the buyer can send either a personal check or money order to: INDEPENDENT INTERNATIONAL, Box 565, Dept. GF, Old Bridge, New Jersey 08857. This a great tape to listen to with your friends. Even most military men enjoy the tape and feel it is authentic. MUFON JOURNAL For more detailed investigative reports subscribe by writing to 103 Oldtowne Road, Sequin, TX 78155-4099 or E-mail Mufon@aol.com. Filer's Files Copyright 1999 by George A. Filer, all rights reserved. Readers may post items from the Files on their Websites provided that they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue that the item appeared. Send your letters to me at Majorstar@aol.com. If you wish to keep your name confidential please so state.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:55:11 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:23:29 -0400 Subject: Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 >Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:18:54 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: *U* Map: North America 1947 >Dear list: >The link below connects directly to my UFO map of North America >for 1947. >Out of 569 sightings listed in the *U* Database, some 504 were >in North America. These show as white dots. > http://www.jps.net/larryhat/NAM47.html >Note some interesting alignments. One runs SE from >South-central Washington state, thru Oregon, Idaho into Utah at >a 45 degree angle .. much of this territory is still desolate. >Another follows the US99 (now I-5) corridor from Puget Sound >down thru central California. >Numerous sightings seem to hug either side of the 40th parallel >(latitude) thru the Eastern states. >Other groupings (New Mexico) seem to defy population statistics. >Be sure to click on the "daily histogram" link, at the lower >right of the map. >The needle sharp surge in UFO reports in June & July 1947 is >inexplicably followed by an even steeper decline. >Similar map - histogram display pairs are presented for other >wave years, 1950; 1952; 1954; and so on. >I hope you all have some time to look around the website. It >took 15 years to gather the data. I hope each of the list members, those who are researching this phenomena, and anyone significantly interested in the subject, goes to Larry's site. The data is fascinating. Larry, if I am not mistaken, this is exactly what Jacques Vallee wanted to do long ago, when computers were not as yet PC's. There must be someone out there who would consider funding and/or volunteering there time and work with Larry, some folks with computer expertise, to format some programs with which to do the same for other time periods prior to and after flaps. Perhaps even a contiguous run of maps from 1947 thru to date ... A Herculean job but one which may dispense significant data with which to provide this list with more debating fodder than Carters has Little Liver Pills. And if you do not know what Carters Little Liver Pills are ... be happy! It means you are young enough not to be that old. Good work Larry. I appreciate people like you (and some very few others, unfortunately) who put their money where their mouth is. Some folks like to puff and posture. Some just like to puff. But the real seekers of wisdom and truth sit right down and work their asses off. Your name, Mr. Hatch, is synonymous with the music business. Some members of the Hatch family were (are??) composers. I have some original compositions from a Hatch or two saved away from those years when I was studying classical piano ... but that was so long ago it was before Carter ... not the president either. The Hatches were known to our family then. Good work, Sir. I commend you. And note, please, the Sir has a capital "S."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:28:44 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:28:34 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research Date: May 22 1999 19:43:00 GMT From: achimkoch@csi.com <Joachim Koch> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Subject:Rockefeller buys all and everything >From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> >To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>, >Subject: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:00:45 -0700 >Wednesday, May 19, 1999 Published at 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK >BBC :"US billionaire funds crop circle research" >US billionaire Laurance Rockefeller is to fund the UK's biggest >survey of crop circles. <snip> Dear Steven, Please tell Mr. Buytheworld that he may stay at home. There is no profit for him in the lovely crop fields of Wiltshire, because this Phenomenon deals with the spirit and not with American money. My colleague Hans-Juergen Kyborg and I know this very well since 1991 when we made contact with the non-human intelligence which is behind the Phenomenon. There have been no (visible) genuine formations in the area of Alton Barnes/Avebury since 1993 because the Phenomenon has developed into pure energetic patterns. The crop circle phenomenon is a cosmic lecture for those who are able to look and think, for those who would like to evolve. Our state of science will fail to understand because they do not want to accept the major part the spirit plays in the universe. Mr. Icanhaveitall will never come close to what it all implies neither his heralds will - and I hope one of them is not Colin Andrews. There is a reason why this Phenomenon manifested in Europe first and not in the Dollarland. Very sincerely Joachim Koch & Hans-Juergen Kyborg, Germany
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 MILABS From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:28:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:34:55 -0400 Subject: MILABS Hello Bruce, Hello List! I would like to forward this to you, it is just another piece of the debate. Sincerely Joachim ---------------begin of text--------------------------------- What the Tuskegee victims would say! =09 by Helmut Lammer Ph.D. =09 Everybody who followed the continuing debate about my research in alleged military involvement in alien abduction phenomena - so called MILAB cases,will know now which people try to ridicule this research, our book MILABS!which will be available in the USA this week [1] and of course me.[2,3,4] I will not answer all articles in the future which attack my research or my person since I believe it is more important if I use my time for things which are more meaningfull than answering such statements. Interestingly, the sceptics claim now that their responses addresses only "my" MILAB cases. This is important to know, since I do not "own" MILAB abductees and some of these people were also investigated by other researchers like Budd Hopkins, or researchers related to the MUFON Abduction Transcription Project, etc. It is not my problem if the well known abduction researchers have ignored such cases in their research articles and books. Second there are more MILAB abductees, which were investigated by professional therapists and psychiatrists than the few which are known via the internet. Therefore, this statement is a complete nonsense. Another interesting aspect in their criticism is that they try to convince their readers that my research concentrates only on tracking devices and implants, that I claim that all MILAB abductees are implanted with tracking devices, etc. This is certainly not the case. It is right that there are "some" but not "all" MILAB cases where there is evidence that the abductees were implanted with a terrestrial device. It is well known from zoology and medical research hat such devices are around for a long time.[5] Recently there were many newspaper articles in Europe about an implant with satellite tracking applications which was developed by the israeli intelligence agency Mossad. This implant is now distributed via a private firm in Italy. Since the sceptics read the MUFON UFO Journal, they should know about this, because there was a short notice about this implant in the November 1998 issue. It is common knowledge that this now comercially available implant will not be the latest state of the art "military" or "black project" technology.=09 I agree with the sceptics that older implants would be easy to detect on x-rays and MRIs, because they are relatively large. This is the case, since I know cases of people who have x-rays, MRIs, medical statements from independent doctors, etc. where everybody can see that they were implanted with such devices, but nobody removes their implants![6,7] Very interesting is the claim by the sceptics that the proposed MILAB projects fail a simple test in comon sense, since there is just no reason to conduct them and the alleged victims are not extremely intelligent, no Noble laurate is involved, etc.[4] It is known from declassified CIA-MKULTRA subproject No. 94 documents, that the CIA experimented with miniaturized electrode implants 30 years ago! The purpose of subproject No. 94 was:[8] "1. The purpose of this subproject is to provide a continuation of activities in selected species of animals. Miniaturized stimulating electrode implants in specific brain center areas will be utilized. 2. Initial biological work on techniques and brain locations essential to providing conditioning and control of activities in several species of animals has been demonstrated...The ultimate objective of this research is to provide an understanding of the mechanisms involved in the directional control of animals and to provide practical systems suitable for (censored)application." So much for the long interest in implant research for mind- and behaviour control purposes. Since there is also evidence in the form of a declassified research proposal of MKULTRA subproject No. 94 [9] that selected elements of the techniques developed under this project were applicable to humans, one can speculate if some of the before mentioned cases were used in such an experiment. If one reviews the known MKULTRA subprojects from documents which were released via the FOIA one will find many projects where outsiders would claim that there is no reason for doing this, although some people decided that there was one.[10] =09 Further, they claim that a reason for the former unwise government experiments like the cold war radiation experiments, MKULTRA, Tuskegee, etc. could be made (of course not for MILABs), although Alexander wrote that he does not make excuses or apologies for these experiments. "In Tuskegee" doctors wanted to determine how Syphilis would progress if left untreated."[4] I will not coment such statements about the former illegal unethical cold war experiments, because I believe they speak for themselves. In the so-called Tuskegee experiments hundreds of Afro-Americans were subjected to sexually transmitted diseases through purposeful withholding of appropriate medication that could have cured their disease but was not administered in order to continue to collect information on the disease=B4s degenerative impacts. Beginning in 1932, the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male" subjected 412 Afro-American sharecroppers who had contracted syphilis to 40 years of monitoring aimed at documenting the effects of the disease. All the victims were permitted to pass the various chronic stages of illness, suffering from long-term disabilities such as blindness, paralysis, dementia and eventually premature death, even well after penicilin was found to be a highly effective treatment.[11] So much for Tuskegee and I would be interested to know what the Tuskegee survivors have to say after they know now that some designers from an ueber-secret agency conducted a risk-benefit analysis and chose to proceed in this experiment. Interestingly, there were only black americans involved in this experiment and there were no Nobel laureate or persons of publicly acclaimed accomplishments used in this nazi-style-project. The reason is that they used people who were socially and politically outsiders. Tuskegee is a very good example, where one can see why it is better to use the average nobody, ethical minorities, or poor people for covert or secret unethical experiments,than lawyers, academics and Nobel laureate=B4s, etc. I agree that some of the people who claim that they hear voices, are used in secret experiments, are abducted by aliens, etc. are paranoid, have delusions, are mentaly ill, etc. But there are also some people who are not! Therefore, it would be locical to use natural phenomena, strange psychological phenomena, unexplained and generally ridiculed phenomena as a cover for top secret experiments. How easy such a cover would work everybody can see from the the present discussion and the statements of the sceptics. They claim that these people are crazy, have hallucinations, etc. but other abductees (abductees who have only alien and not military experiences) not, only Lammer=B4s MILAB cases, etc. If this is really going on than the sceptics are right: "That is human, not alien interventions."[4] An alien cover would be so good that if alleged victims go to the police as the sceptics suggest and tell them that people in military uniforms experimented on them and the police officer learns that the person has also alien abduction experiences he/she will be immediately ridiculed, etc. On the other hand there are also MILAB cases which point in another direction. These are cases where it seems to me that the military involved, or their officers believe that "some alien abductions" may be a true unexplained phenomenon. These are cases where it does not seem that they use the abduction phenomenon as a cover for secret experiments but they would like to know whats really going on in some alien abduction cases. On the other hand it could be that these military unit are involved in pseudo-alien abductions for propagating an alien threat. Of course this is speculation and more data are needed. Although the MILAB sceptics, claim that one can see from my research that I have a lack in understanding of technical knowledge, the ability to completely analyze information, political science, military science, budget and finance, organizational sociology and psychology/psychiatry, I can only say I trust the NASA cameras and my scientific knowledge more than the stories of the former military remote viewers who are good friends and former colleagues of our sceptics and who claimed on public meetings, in magazines, etc. that they remote viewed Martians, artificial structures on the Martian surface, machines under the surface of Mars, the disappearence of the russian Phobos 2 probe and other nonsense.[12] However, I exposed some of this nonsense in the peer reviewed border science Journal, "Journal of Scientific Exploration."[13] Why were the MILAB sceptics quiet as their friends, former colleagues, etc. delievered mental food for their estimated 10 million people who suffer from paranoid delusions, not-real entities, voices, bedroom-related visions and hypnagogic experiences? For the fields of knowledge where I have no immediate training myself eg. psychiatry, military science, etc. I make a habit out of consulting with experienced professionals with many years of experience in these fields. So the opinions I present in my books and articles may have more weight than these sceptics want to believe. References: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D [1] Lammer, Helmut, and Lammer, Marion: MILABS!: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction, Illuminetpress, http://www. illuminetpress.com, USA, 1999. [2] Alexander, Victoria: MILAB, MUFON UFO Journal, February 1997. [3] Alexander, Victoria: What Freud would say, CAUS, online newsletter, March 1999. [4] Alexander, John: John Alexander on MILABs, http:// www.konformist.com, April 1999. [5] Savages, Science and citations of Brain-Computer Technology: A compilation of 25 scientific papers concerning research in brain-computer interface, and bio-medical microelectronic implants, Gruppen P.O. Box 136, 114 79 Stockholm, Sweden. [6] Naeslund, Robert: Branded by the Security Police, Gruppen P.O. Box 136, 114 79 Stockholm, Sweden. [7] Jones, Janine: Implant victim seeks help, 1/66 Robinson Avenue, Holdens Bay, Rotorua, NewZealand. [8] Memorandum for the record: Subject: Project MKULTRA, Subproject No. 94, 22. November, 1961; declassified FOIA released document concerning brain telemetry stdies on animals. [9] Research Proposal for MKULTRA, Subproject No. 94, declassified FOIA released document. [10] Memorandum for the Director of Central Intelligence: Subject: Report of Inspection of MKULTRA, 26. July, 1963; declassified FOIA released documents. [11] Sklar, Morton: Torture in the United States, World Organisation Against Torture USA, Suite 400,1015 18th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20036, E-mail: msklar@igc.apc.org, 1998. [12] Stubblebine, Albert, N. III (ret. Major-General, INSCOM): Remote viewing and the psychic intelligence agents, Talk at the International Symposium on UFO Research, May, 1992; also in: Nexus magazine, August-September, 1994. Major Ed Dames and other former military remote viewer claimed at various books, conferences etc. that they remote viewed Martians, artifical stuctures, the disappearance of the Phobos 2 space craft and other scientifically nonsense. [13] Lammer, Helmut: Atmospheric mass loss on Mars and the consequences for the Cydonian hypothesis and martian life forms, Journal of Scientific Exploration, 10:3, 1996.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 21 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:52:59 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:50:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) Unexpected replies! When Dr. Sanchez-Ocejo and I published a short note about Dr. Hynek, our intention was just to remember the person, as we felt that the ufologists of the new generations don't really have a clear idea of who he was and what he accomplished in his lifetime. We never expected the response that followed, a mixed bag of praising and derogatory postings, written by people that knew him well (Jenny Randles), by others that apparently did not (Bill Stockstill), and still by others that should have know better (Dennis Stacy). Two basic rules have been violated here: i) do not speak ill of the dead, because they can't defend themselves; ii) do not express unsupported opinions, that is, without providing an appropriate reference. This note addresses the first point, and hopefully those who wrote will be able merely gossiping and not scientific discourse. In his 17 May 1999 posting Bill Stockstill refers to Dr. Hynek as a "company man" (whatever he means by that) who incurred in the wrath of Dr. McDonald because of his "timid stance". This alone assure me that Mr. Stockstill never met Dr. Hynek. Unlike the present day researchers, which immediately insult and attack all those that do not agree with them, Dr. Hynek was an educated and polite gentleman, who at times preferred to say nothing rather than to offend others by exposing their ignorance of the facts or their lack of scientific discernment. But "timid" he was not. As for the "example" of the Hudson Valley case. Dr. Hynek had started to write a manuscript based on the first-hand information laboriously collected by Phil Imbrogno, but soon realized that not only the effort would be too much for him, but that the results would be better if this was handled by an experienced writer like Bob Pratt. I still have in my files a few pages of this initial piece of work, as well as some comments about this case that Dr. Hynek typed by mistake in one of my diskettes, and that I never released because of the pressure applied by Mimi Hynek. And I want to ask Mr. Stockstill from where he got the idea that "Hynek would not entertain allowing Phil Imbrogno or Pratt to release some of the more bizarre information they were collecting during their long investigation". Since Mr. Stockstill is so well informed, why doesn't he share with us those bizarre details? Of course, providing accurate sources. Finally, Dr. Hynek was a careful field investigator, a fact known only to his closest associates. He is perceived as an "armchair investigator" only by those investigators (as so was Dr. Sanchez-Ocejo), and I have never met an investigator having a grasp of the UFO phenomenon like his. He honored me with his friendship, and taught me a great deal about the UFO phenomenon and its implications, for all of which I am very grateful. Dr. Willy Smith UNICAT Project unicat@worldnet.att.net May 21, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Re: Show Cancelled From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:25:02 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:01:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Show Cancelled Due to technical difficulties, tonights attempt at webcasting has sadly failed. The RA server is down, so I must apologize for not being able to deliver this progam via the web. New York audience can hear this program this Monday morning at one am, Sunday night/Monday morning. Again sorry for screw up, eventually I'll get this webcasting thing down to a science. Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk - WBAI NY 99.5 ICQ#32519151 Listen to UFO Desk on the web, Friday evening 2200hrs (10pm) east coast time @ http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Ball Lightings Explained? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:32:40 +0200 (MET DST) Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:15:35 -0400 Subject: Ball Lightings Explained? Source: New Scientist, May 22, 1999, http://www.newscientist.com:80/ns/19990522/newsstory11.html Stig *** All fired up Philip Cohen ** THE LAST PLACE most people would try to start a fire is inside a tornado. But two researchers who have pulled off a similar trick in a lab in New Zealand say their experiment may explain enigmatic weather phenomena such as ball lightning. At first glance, tornadoes don't appear fire-friendly. Even at the calm centre of the whirlwind, there is enough of an updraft to make any flame tenuous, and the fast winds at its edge would blow out any blaze. Yet fireballs have been reported in some tornadoes, such as the twister that struck Dorset in Britain in 1989. Vortices have also been associated with floating spheres of ball lightning, which sometimes disappear with a loud explosion, suggesting they, too, contain combustible material. So John Abrahamson, a chemical engineer at Canterbury University in Christ- church, was intrigued when his former student Peter Coleman proposed trying to create a fireball in a mini tornado. They reckoned one might form in the vortex breakdown region, where air moves relatively slowly. "If it was coloured, you'd see this doughnut of air," says Abrahamson. Intriguingly, the vortex breakdown region is used in "vortex burners", in which a flame burns in a closed, horizontal cylinder. A horizontal vortex mixes and contains hot gases so that the fuel burns efficiently. But it was unclear if the combustion would be stable in a free-standing, vertical vortex. To find out, Abrahamson and Coleman built a circular chamber about a metre wide. Slats at the base allowed air to enter at various angles and an extraction fan pulled air upwards from above. This created a vortex 10 centimetres wide. Liquefied petroleum gas was introduced into the breakdown region through a pipe and was ignited with a spark plug. The vortex produced a stable fireball if the air entered at an angle of 66 degrees. Whether the fuel pipe was above, below or to the side of the vortex breakdown region, the fuel was drawn into the doughnut of air and burnt as a sphere. Abrahamson concludes that if a natural vortex swept up fuel from the ground, and if something like a lightning strike or power line ignited it, this could form a stable fireball. His experiment will be described next month at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in Boston. "There are many theories about ball lightning, but not many of them can be studied so thoroughly in a lab as this one," notes Stanley Singer, president of the International Committee on Ball Lightning in Pasadena, California. However, he adds that some reports suggest ball lightning can pass through solid objects--something that is hard to reconcile with a combustion theory. Abrahamson points out that many of those reports have been called into question. Even if his experiment fails to explain meteorological mysteries, he believes it may find uses in industry. "I don't think anyone has ever created a vortex to control an open flame before. It could be useful." The experiment could even explain some UFOs, adds Coleman. "Some pictures of supposed UFOs I've seen look like classic fireballs." � Copyright New Scientist, RBI Limited 1999 VORTEX.JPG
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:18:33 -0400 Subject: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller Source: London Evening Standard/This is London, http://www.thisislondon.co.uk:80/dynamic/lifestyle/review.html?in_review_id= =3D1413 18&in_review_text_id=3D114890 Stig *** Cracking the crop circle mystery by Julian Champkin ** Laurence Rockefeller, the American millionaire and phil-anthropist, is= funding scientific research into crop circles, it emerged yesterday. Why? After all,= this is a problem that everyone thought had been solved. ** The Crop Circle Mystery caused headlines and arguments nearly every summer= for 20 years. Strange shapes were appearing in cornfields in Wiltshire and other= counties. From the ground, the corn was seen to be beaten down, amazingly regular. From the air, the patterns appeared. They came first as simple circles. Later, there were circles within circles,= then more intricate patterns still - circles radiating spiral arms, circles= joined by straight lines, circles arranged in squares, even snowflake= patterns of amazing intricacy and beauty. For 20 years arguments raged. Were they caused by circular winds? Or were mysterious forces at work? The obvious solution was human hoax. But if so,= how? In 1992, two Southampton men, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, confessed to= making corn circles: every summer night for 20 years. Their method was simple:= rakes and planks of wood to bash down the crop, ropes to guide them to a perfect= circle, loops of wire on hats to guide straight lines. It began as fun but, as UFO theories snowballed, they wanted to see how credulous people could be. Dave Chorley died in 1996. The pair had retired from circle-making some time= before. That should have been the end of the mystery. Yet corn circles= continued to appear. 'They are worldwide,' says Michael Green, President of the Centre for Crop= Circle Studies. And this week, the first of this season's British crop, 12= of them, have been seen in fields of oil-seed rape in Hampshire and at Milk= Hill, Wiltshire. Andrew Thomas, author of the crop-circle book, Vital Signs, claims that the= Bower-Chorley 'confession' was itself a hoax: 'They could not explain how= they laid the stalks so perfectly; nor why the circles have continued to appear.'= And now Laurence Rockefeller, brother of the late Nelson Rockefeller, is= funding a researcher to re-investigate the phenomenon. He is paying Connecticut-based Colin Andrews to engage staff and they have= flown reconnaissance flights over Wiltshire and Hampshire. Andrews has a database= of 10,000 crop circles. With computers and satellites, the research and debate= has re- opened. So what could cause them? 'First theories were circular winds, mini-cyclones or "dust-devils=EE [tiny= tornadoes], says Montague Keen, scientific adviser to the Centre for= Crop-Circle Studies for three years. 'A meteorologist devised a theory of "plasma= vortexes", spiralling winds of electrically-charged air.' Ball lightning was another possibility - again circular, again involving powerful and little-understood forces of electricity. 'But straight lines do not come from natural phenomena,' says Keen. 'The patterns became increasingly complex and no natural phenomenon can change= and evolve like that. There were too many for them all to be hoaxes.' A U.S. physicist found evidence that corn inside the circles under-goes= chemical and biological changes. It takes up more nitrates than corn outside, and microscopic holes form in the stem tissue. These changes seem to argue for a= sudden, sharp infusion of energy into the circle - far more than could come= from men with planks or rollers. 'I was never quite convinced that his research was sufficiently rigorous'= says Mr Keen, 'but there were certainly electromagnetic changes within circles.= Compasses behaved strangely; people felt either distress or euphoria inside= the circles; and batteries went flat unaccountably often. 'All this seems to point away from hoax towards something very strange,= indeed. There is clearly some kind of intelligence behind them.' And if it is not natural intelligence? 'Well, then you are thrown back to imagining some wholly unnatural intelligence.' As, for example, some form of= psychic projection from human beings - dead or alive. 'Some shapes of the early Eighties seemed similar to shapes carved into= rocks by Palaeolithic man,' said Michael Green, President of the Centre for Crop= Circle Studies. Were mental energies of past minds being channelled into cornfields? The first corn-circle for which evidence is claimed appeared in= Hertfordshire in 1678. A pamphlet shows a woodcut of a circle mown in a field of oats, and= the devil mowing. The pamphlet describes the sky over the field that night as being 'all of a= flame'; so here, too, for those who are willing to believe, is a link with= flying saucers and UFOs. For, of course, there are the aliens as the final theory of crop circles. Michael Green does not believe that little green men are responsible - but= he believes some kind of non-human intelligence is behind them. He points to a succession of shapes, from simple to complex to very complex= indeed. Can these be messages to be read by all of mankind? 'These are written large on the landscape. They are there to be seen. There= is a non-human intelligence behind them,' says Mr Green. 'That's what points one= towards thinking the unthinkable.' [Image: Was this caused by circular winds or two old blokes with a= lawnmower?] =A9 Associated Newspapers Ltd., 20 May 1999 Terms and Conditions
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-21-99 From: Rense E-News <jocelyn@dewittec.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:18:58 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:39:39 -0400 Subject: Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-21-99 -------------------------- Jeff Rense Weekly E-News -------------------------- The Week Ahead 5-23-99 thru 5-29-99 Guests, Announcements, Week's Top Stories From sightings.com Jeff Rense E-News is distributed exclusively by Free Subscription. ___________ !! ANNOUNCEMENT !! Jeff Rense Comes To Chicago! Beginning 5-24-99 On WRMN 1410 AM M-F !! ___________ * From Jeff's Desk * A week ago, a local man, "Kirk," phoned to tell me he had just seen, once again, a huge black triangular-shaped object pass directly over his home at an altitude of only a few hundred feet ..just a couple miles from our studios. Kirk states he has seen these enormous craft 7 or 8 times usually between 9:30 and 10:30pm Pacific during the last few months. He describes them as having a number of small lights on the leading edges of the triangle shape. His 14 year old son saw the object and was also clearly agitated and a bit frightened when I talked with him on the phone. On one occasion, a couple days prior to this sighting, Kirk said the big craft flew over his home three times...in one evening. The third time he saw it pass overhead, he said he stood up and thought ..in his mind very clearly..."I see you! I know you're there!" Immediately, as if whatever was in the craft had 'heard' him, the object made an immediate sharp turn and headed back toward Kirk's house in what he says was a clearly descending flight path. "That made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. That was enough for me!" he said, "I turned and walked from the back patio into the house and locked the door." Here is another very recent triangle sighting which occurred... clear across country, in South Carolina. The shape and size of the object match Kirk's description...including the small lights on the leading surfaces... >HARTSVILLE, SC- Terry Kimbrell MUFON/ISUR Field Investigator >reports sighting a boomerang shaped UFO on the night of >May 8, 1999. >"We were star gazing outside my at 10:27 PM, when my niece >exclaimed 'WOW!!!' When I looked up, I saw a "darker than night" >boomerang-shaped shadow glide silently overhead. My 16 year old >niece and myself witnessed the 'glide-over.' >"Even though my field of view was brief, the boomerang outline >was very distinct. The object had rounded edges, with 7 yellow- >gold lights lining the front edge. One light was at the front >and three were down each leg. The lights did not reflect on the >object, just points of light, as if they might be recessed. >I lost sight after the object passed over the roof of the house. >The apparent size was 2 to 3 inches from tip to tip at arm's >length giving it a calculated size of 500 to 600 feet. The angle >of the boomerang wing was 120 degrees. The craft was flying from >the west to the northeast at 500 to 600 MPH. Its altitude was >2,000 to 3,000 feet. The sighting was for 5 to 7 seconds. >We contacted police, radar sites, and Sergeant Pintar Shaw Air >Base, Sumter, SC. She said they only had F-16's stationed there >and no Stealth aircraft, nor boomerangs,etc. My investigation is >still ongoing. I made a computer generated drawing of the UFO >that can be sent on request to: JJLJ45A@ prodigy.com. This second report is from the weekly 'Filer's Files' compiled by George Filer, MUFON Eastern Director, MUFON Skywatch investigations. Watch our Headlines for the complete Filer's Files each week. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:24:06 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:45:31 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:28:44 -0400 >From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Date: May 22 1999 19:43:00 GMT >From: achimkoch@csi.com <Joachim Koch> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject:Rockefeller buys all and everything >>From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> >>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>, >>Subject: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >>Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:00:45 -0700 >>Wednesday, May 19, 1999 Published at 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK >>BBC :"US billionaire funds crop circle research" >>US billionaire Laurance Rockefeller is to fund the UK's biggest >>survey of crop circles. ><snip> >Dear Steven, >Please tell Mr. Buytheworld that he may stay at home. There is >no profit for him in the lovely crop fields of Wiltshire, >because this Phenomenon deals with the spirit and not with >American money. >My colleague Hans-Juergen Kyborg and I know this very well since >1991 when we made contact with the non-human intelligence which >is behind the Phenomenon. >There have been no (visible) genuine formations in the area of >Alton Barnes/Avebury since 1993 because the Phenomenon has >developed into pure energetic patterns. The crop circle >phenomenon is a cosmic lecture for those who are able to look >and think, for those who would like to evolve. >Our state of science will fail to understand because they do not >want to accept the major part the spirit plays in the universe. >Mr. Icanhaveitall will never come close to what it all implies >neither his heralds will - and I hope one of them is not Colin >Andrews. >There is a reason why this Phenomenon manifested in Europe >first and not in the Dollarland. >Very sincerely >Joachim Koch & Hans-Juergen Kyborg, Germany Dear Joachim, Hans et. al. Could you give us a brief synopsis of the cosmic lecture which you referred to above? Thank you in advance. - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Steve Neill Walks From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:56:43 -0400 Subject: Steve Neill Walks Steve Neill, Renowned UFO Researcher and Artist, Quits Ufology ________________________________ From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> 5-15-99 After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently. All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell the truth. The UFO 'community' is its own worst enemy. Any respect this field might have had or been due to receive has been destroyed by the actions of many, if not most, of the key players involved. I say *most* involved because there are some very good professional people in the field...but they are a relative few and maintain low profiles for the most part. After many, many years of involvement and serious study, I have regrettably had to accept that many of the good people who come into contact with this subject are often destroyed by it, and can lose family, friends and even their careers because of the fighting and manipulation and treachery running rampant. Perhaps the people who designed and implemented the 50 year UFO cover-up are right. Perhaps they know exactly what they were - and are - doing. Perhaps they realized it by simply watching the behavior of the UFO 'community' and knew better than to give this biggest secret of all to the masses. Without doubt, if the world at-large acted like the UFO 'community'...the world might well stop...the engine of society gagging itself to a dead stall after choking on the outrageous lies, deceit, fraud, hate, and hoaxes that so permeate the UFO 'culture' these days. In retrospect, perhaps some of my own actions have been irresponsible and may have unwittingly contributed to the stress and downfall of some...in the sense that my experiences terrified them and set up an opportunity for hustlers to play on the underlying current of exaggeration, fear, and anxiety that hearing these experiences can bring about. Somewhat naievely, I thought it was important that people know and that it might help some of them. But for all those I helped, I may have done a disservice to many more. It can be reckless to alarm the public, even if you do have proof. We should think more of what the 'truth' could do to those who hear it...instead of what it can do for we who know. This isn't a warning about pollution or some social injustice but of an invasion by beings from another world(s) who have *total control* over us. And we, as a species, haven't a clue. That kind of knowledge can destroy one's ambition, social parameters, and, in some extreme cases, even the will to live. This we cannot allow to happen. Certainly, many humans may be 'ready' for the 'truth' but given the current state of the world...and the strangle hold on over half the world's population by organized 'religion'...the results would be catastrophic. Finally, it would be a much better use of our time if we pursued issues we CAN control in order to provide a real future for our children...those who can still think for themselves. Have any of you talked to a 16 year old lately? Many of our own children, tomorrow's 'leaders,' have very little hope for the future. They often live for the moment and the next high (drugs or otherwise) and their heroes are all too often dark 'movements,' and dark rock bands with their dark and ugly lyrics, dark video games of death and terror, and dark thought which is spawned and nurtured in their young minds by the greed-obsessed 'entertainment' industry and other mass-mind control mechanisms. What happened to the The Beatles and John Glenn? What happened to at least the idea of morals and positive values? Responsibility? Accountability? What happened to the concept of 'giving'? The same egomania and self-aggrandizement that fuels the morons who top the pop music charts is found in the UFO 'community' as well. Oh yes, the vocabulary is a little more astute but don't kid yourself, it's the same old rocket-to-stardom "I wanna be a star" syndrome. In the UFO 'community' theft of others' research has replaced the real thing. Many 'researchers' go to conferences and on radio programs and simply spew various mixtures of other peoples' data...begged, borrowed, and just plain stolen. When is the last time you heard someone unique...who actually said something 'new'? It doesn't happen very often. It's time to try to reach back to being the great beings we were...and are...so that we may reach ahead and make it to that future which holds so much promise. We went to the Moon over 30 years ago and what a proud moment it was. Now it's time to journey to Mars...and the stars beyond...where one day WE will become the aliens. Let's give the world something positive for a change. For starters, let's stop knocking NASA. Sure, every agency has its problems but overall they've done more to help this planet and its people then any of you UFO folks will ever hope to do. It's stupid to make an enemy out of the very people who have the keys to our own Starship. I know some of you will be offended by my actions and my words. You wouldn't expect it from Steve Neill of all people. Well, it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, you don't know 10% of what you think you do. After all, there is life after UFOs and it's a great one I plan on living. My efforts at this point are to shift back to what I was doing before all this started...to promoting manned space exploration anyway I can. You will already see examples of this redirected energy on my website and there will be more to come. All the Universe or Nothingness. The choice is ours. -Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> www.alienfx.com A brief comment on one Robert A. M. Stephens. If you strip away the foul language (which he claims to use only to respond to people who abuse him), you might just see the UFO community's own karma coming home to roost. The chances of this man 'just happening' to stumble into this arena are about zero. If nothing else, he has exposed many of the biggest frauds and egos, and most guilty corruptors of reality. He has also held up a mirror to UFOlogy...forcing it to look at it's own ugly face. He has shown how it has defiled its own opportunity to make an orderly and intelligent advance into our immediate future. Robert A. M. Stephens is a symptom of serious trouble...and, just perhaps, he is the bitter medicine that could start a cure. Only time will tell.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:35:40 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:02:23 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >Source: London Evening Standard/This is London, >http://www.thisislondon.co.uk:80/dynamic/lifestyle/review.html?in_review_id=141 3 >18&in_review_text_id=114890 >Stig >*** >Cracking the crop circle mystery > >by Julian Champkin > >** >Laurence Rockefeller, the American millionaire and >philanthropist, is funding scientific research into crop >circles, it emerged yesterday. Why? After all, this is a >problem that everyone thought had been solved. <snips> >'First theories were circular winds, mini-cyclones or >"dust-devils" [tiny tornadoes], says Montague Keen, scientific >adviser to the Centre for Crop-Circle Studies for three years. <snip> >Ball lightning was another possibility <snip> >'But straight lines do not come from natural phenomena,' says Keen. Oh my aching feet! There are sections of the San Andreas earthquake fault, not far from here, that run so straight they look like mammoth engineering projects. The horrid blood sucking mosquito has a syringe so straight it would put medical instruments firms to shame. Every star in the universe radiates photons in numbers so huge that this page cannot hold the zeroes. OK, never mind the black holes. Every one of those photons radiates out in a perfectly straight line, unless one wants to quibble about relativity. In fact, based upon such stupendous numbers, and others like them, I could easily argue that nature produces more straight lines (OK, geodesics if you must) than anything else! >'The patterns became increasingly complex and no natural >phenomenon can change and evolve like that. >There were too many for them all to be hoaxes.' I'm glad I didn't say that. -LH <snip> Best wishes regardless.. - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:55:23 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:11:37 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:28:44 -0400 >From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Dear Steven, >Please tell Mr. Buytheworld that he may stay at home. There is >no profit for him in the lovely crop fields of Wiltshire, >because this Phenomenon deals with the spirit and not with >American money. Joachim, With all due respect, I happen to like American money. I wish I had more of it myself. And if it helps to solve the puzzle of crop circles, I frankly don't care if the research funding comes from gumball machines. Money talks, and many scientists who are unwilling to become involved out of curiousity or scientific responsibility might just enter the field (so to speak) after having a monetary carrot suspended directy ahead of their collective probosci. And that's fine with me. Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:14:30 -0400 Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. I initially posted my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the Elders of Zion" on his list. I sincerely thank all those who supported my view. I was not advocating censorship, but I was stating that while I found his UFO information very interesting, his publishing of that book was not in good taste. Some of his other political postings made me feel that his "Light of Truth" was missing a few bulbs. I thank everyone who lent support to my concerns. That led to a long thread of posts that debated the paranoia or merits of conspiracy theories. It was quite a discourse of rhetoric and principles that showed where those involved stood. That was an interesting journey, perhaps somewhat unrelated to the UFO issue but quite revealing. Plus, it is sure fun to have some folks who think like you do.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Silicon Valley = Alien Base? From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:49:29 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:53:46 -0400 Subject: Silicon Valley = Alien Base? The following statement begs for investigation. It is food for thought and grounds for further research. I can't personally pursue it. Our music is getting a great reception by the industry and it is keeping me hopping. I want to know the full story of this statement. If true, it may show that there was a kernel of truth in the statements of Lt.Col. Corso and (gulp) Jack Shulman from American Computer Co. >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:34:22 +0100 >From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Issue 101 - Pt 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network >To: UFO@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > ______ _______ ______ >------ / / // ____// /--------------------------------------- > U K / / // ___/ / / / 18th May 1999 > / / // / / / / N E T W O R K part 2/3 Issue 101 >--- (_____//__/ (_____/------------------------------------------ >The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with >subscribers in 58 countries. >This issue comes in 3 parts. If any part is missing please mail: >ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be >reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject >section e.g. Repost {101} part 1, part 2 etc. <snip> >[W 2]******>Source: Outlook - Tomorrow's Technology Today [UK] [Computer Magazi ne] >Publish Date: April 1999 >IBM in 'Project Blue Book' UFO probe >A theory which for years has been regarded as nothing more than the >wild speculations of the lunatic fringe has, this month, been given >new credibilty by Jerry Hartsell, ex-Chairman of IT giants IBM. >He claims in his new autobiography that the original silicon chip >tecnology, which underpinned the IT explosion of the late 20th >century, was derived from a secret US government project of the late >1950s that aimed to investigate 'technology of a non-terrestrial >origin'. >The baffling claim has fuelled further speculation that the 'non- >terrestrial technology' may have been recovered from the alleged UFO >crash site at Roswell... Someone please look into this. By the way, the posts regarding "The Battle of LA gave me pause. Durn, I live in Santa Monica and wish I had been around to stand in my yard, facing southeast. I wasn't born until 1946. For the future I will point my particle beam out my window <g>. I belong to LAMUFON. I will start a drive to build an LA Battle Monument over the restored battleground.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Black Vault? From: Francis Brennan <fjets@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:57:21 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:57:07 -0400 Subject: Black Vault? Has the Black Vault been taken out of service I can't get the links to work, if they have a new URL could you please forward Thanks
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 22 Alfred's Odd Ode #304 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:16:11 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:59:17 -0400 Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #304 Apology to MW #304 (For May 22, 1999) You want a heady feeling like you've blasted out to space; you want to feel legal but remain in fortunes grace? Then speak into a microphone with some righteous juice behind it -- and soar on out to listeners who may listen as you're blinded. *Blindly* sitting on their shoulders, you are _nestled_ in their ears. You wait with them in kitchens while they drink their lonely beer. You're just a harmless voice to them, and you never know they're there. They could be doing heinous things. You're not _supposed_ to care! Expanding in a bubble at not quite the speed of light, your words are made eternal in the ether of the night. Joined with other energies you dance your cosmic dance as the folks at home just breath their air, and give your _words_ a chance. Are you funny? Are you scary? Do you sell the precious soap? Do you come off like a charlatan, or a common garden dope? Are you crazy? Are you hazy? Are you least ways understood? Then crank up on the wattage, friend, I like this! This is good! Let me speak to listening ladies smiling samples of respect. Let me rattle men folk's cages; let me be my most correct. Let me crawl inside their ear holes like a little aural bug. Let me whisper aural candy in a music like a drug. Let me whisk you far away inside the ocean of your head. Let me show you length and breadth of what you haven't thought of yet. Let me _be_ the one to paint the newer color in your brains. Let me _be_ that odd distraction. Let me ease your lonesome pain. I surf the ether on a _board_ of plastic and a white phone cord. Plugged into my wall at home I spread across the states like foam. I danced and tripped and laughed out loud. I told a joke; I raged and growled. I was left to _my_ devices. It was perfect. It was priceless. I sputtered oaths of righteous bile, my voice was heard for miles of miles! I hammered home a point well made, I struck a blow for freedom's sake! I begged for light, it's noticed absence -- spoke for change of hate to gladness. I had the chance to speak up proud; to raise _my_ flag; to shout out _loud_. _My_ banner raised on watts of power I ranted, raved, and fairly glowered! I was loosed, unbound and free! _Someone_! Throw a _net_ on me! <G>. And then too fast the hour's done -- and quick as that, unplug the fun! I was spent but most infused with gladness I was not abused. <g>. The board dissolves beneath my feet, resolves to phones -- it's bittersweet. I want more time! I wasn't _finished_! I _want_ this stuff like Popeye's spinach! Swooping like the Silver Surfer into homes invited, nurtured! Silent voices shouting back with hot agreements -- lack of tact! People _pausing_ in their toils, listening to my words uncoil, but it's gone -- the line now dead. I miss it like a junkie, Fred. A lucky guy, I had my shot, and likely _I_ was not so hot, but having it, I now want more, and pray that I'm allowed to score. There's nothing like it anywhere; I envy Stern, and Rense, mon frere! Bell, and Howe are lucky stiffs (and Limbaugh truly _wastes_ his gifts). Just to get out _in_ the night . . . to grab some *truth*, and take a bite. It's just _you_ and watts of juice; you cleave and soar! You're fast; You're -- loose. . . Lehmberg@snowhill.com Is it too early to describe myself as a Canadian radio personality? <g>. You bet! Trying not to, too quickly, dismiss this as a celebration of *me*, see it rather as a celebration of you. That's the point really. It all comes down to *you*. I've essayed on it dozens of times. It's a key to sullen knots otherwise hacked to pieces with dull skeptibunky swords. It's part of the ongoing discovery that to a very LARGE degree you make the reality _of_ that *you* just as *you* would have it! Avoiding the _attraction_ of making _yourself_ your own worst enemy -- you snatch off your *proscribed* hat and let your harmless, albeit (perhaps) unsettling "freak-flag" fly! It's yours. It has as much right in the ether as anyone's. If you've called in and spoken on the live air, you know the feeling. You are still a part of a record of eternity, the dots and dashes of your thoughts recorded in the limitless energies of space. It's an interestingly _glorious_ feeling. I only hope I gave you what it would _be_ for you. It's _about_ you, not about me, unless it _is_ me, and then, of course, it's just like _you_. <g>. Return to yourself, that's where the juice is! It's always been the ones that heat the water. You. _You_ were on the radio, able to express your fears, hopes, and suspicions. _You_ were able to say your piece, have your say, make your play. You. Restore John Ford! -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:25:03 -0500 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:33:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Tue, 18 May 99 15:09:11 PDT >>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>>>Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:18:03 -0500 >>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>Date: Sat, 15 May 99 09:19:10 PDT >>>>>>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>>>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>>>>>>Date: Thu, 13 May 99 08:18:15 PDT >>Whoa! I "seem to be saying" that I took exception with your >>thinly veiled suggestion that there should be a list of >>forbidden works. >I have no idea what "thinly veiled suggestion" you thought you >read, and I'm not sure what "a list of forbidden works" is. They are broad brushes with sticky paint, sir. You would decide for me _my_ editorial policy. The irritation in your reply suggests I must have said something pretty close to the mark to get you so riled up. <g>. >Perhaps you can clarify. Perhaps you can cop to the implications of your editorial predilection. >Some works, however, have done huge >harm to civilization, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is >among the most notorious of these. I've no doubt you're right -- but I am also sure that it was the ignorance of these works, their genesis -- their provenance, or their application . . . that made them the threat to civilization that they were. It was ignorance of them, sir, that caused the damage, and _not_ their open inspection. It's ALWAYS the ignorance, sir -- I'm sure your experience has taught you that! >For details, see Norman >Cohn's classic work on the subject, Warrant for Genocide: The >Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy and the Protocols of the >Elders of Zion (1969). I'll certainly put that work on a long reading list, Mr. Clark. >The point is that conspiracy theories >are not harmless nonsense but demonstrably destructive delusions >whose consequences are sometimes violence and tyranny. And I maintain that these self same theories of conspiracy are born out of a real paucity of forthcoming government, repressive religious institution, and a prostituted news media. To suggest that my conscientious concern, wet leg, and nonplused incredulity with the official version of reality addresses _my_ gullibility -- misses the proverbial barn! Rather, it is the _lack_ of rationally relevant information I seem to be getting! _That_ is the "fuel" for my delusion! My culture has lost the right to dictate to _me_ the state of _my_ reality. sir. I will make my own calls, and write my conscience. >The rest >of you, I'm sure, understand that this is not the same as an >argument for banning conspiracy literature. Our correspondent >here seems to have a hard time figuring out the difference. Rather, it is _you_ sir that quibbles on the issue of *who* will decide *what* for *whom*. Your appeals to to the "rational reader", and your dismissive referral to me in a royally imposed literary third person perhaps says more to that reader than you realize. >>>What I was urging, as all non-conspiracist readers easily >>>figured out, was that Jeff Rense exercise his position as >>>editor of a website to keep the discourse rational. Here, when confronted by an inexplicably _irrational_ and enigmatic phenomena I would prefer to have _all_ the informational mechanisms and informations I can find. It is clear that UFO's are not holding still for _your_ kind of investigation sir. The actual *looking* still has yet to occur. Unfortunately (?)-- Jeff Rense is going to break the story sometimes. So will Drudge (if it's spooge stains that ring your bell), so will the scurrilous tabloid. But first we'll have to agree on definitions for words that you so airily dispense -- "rational" being only one of them. >>By whose standard? By what rules of this *civilized* society? >>Who among us shall you _choose_ to designate the group of >>priests forming the council deciding a description for this so >>easy to identify "rationality"? >If you think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion -- which is >what the discussion re Jeff Rense's website was about -- is an >arguably rational work whose authenticity is still an open >question, then no doubt you are susceptible to other, er, >unusual notions. Succumbing to the temptation to breath on "AH," you forget the original thrust of of this dialogue. I was unaware of the document at _all_ (my own meager education and experience an obvious _fraction_ of your own). It was the suggestion of its debate on the Rense site (as a result of a more inclusive definition of journalism than yours, it appears) that I am aware of it at _all_. What has _your_ definition of rationality, and responsible journalism provided, sir? Precious little. >(It also makes me wonder about your fervent >insistence that you are not a bigot.) We can go there if you _like_ sir! And, thanks for dropping the affected third person. >Do you also believe >flat-earth theories are irrational only by the standards of >"priests"? No -- I believe priests are the reason we have "flat-earthers." >Do you believe the Milky Way is in fact fairy dust? It may as well be as far as _you_ are concerned, sir. Or check your arrogant hubris at the door. >Do you hold that standards of evidence are irrelevant to >discussions of real-life issues No -- I believe that it _may_ be the standards of evidence can be conveniently applied, or not applied at _all_ based on very arbitrary and conveniently selective peer review. >, that one opinion, however >uninformed, is as good as another, however knowledgeable? -- or however contrived? >Get a grip, my friend. And, abruptly, we come to the crux of the matter. I have taken a grip, sir. That's the problem. I've discovered that our collective reach exceeds our grasp. And with regard to advise on different aspects of physicality -- I might suggest that you open your eyes. >>>Such is the price we pay for free expression. >>Your tone suggests that it is a price _you_ don't want to pay. >To the contrary, it is a price I am happy to pay. Inexplicably, I remain unconvinced! >The >alternative, a tyranny ruled by believers in conspiracy theories >(as, for example, Stalin, Hitler, and Milosevic [all of whom, by >the way, have their admirers among today's conspiracy >theorists]), is infinitely worse. This is a blythful leap to the deep end of the absurd pool, and even more hilarious given that these men all legislated (or continue to legislate) the "rationality" of their citizens. >Anyway, in the end good ideas drive out bad ones, which is why, >in free societies like ours, conspiracy theories are well out >there on the fringes. When you hide _any_ of the ideas, you are hiding ALL of the ideas. *Good* ones drive out *bad* ones _only_ when they get the same amount of bright light. >>>>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>>>conspiracy. >>>>>Precisely. >>>>Then I suggest your delusion is your own, sir, contributory to our >>>>ufological malaise, and unfortunate. >>>The "ufological malaise," of course, is not that ufology's >>>rational members, like all sensible people, reject conspiracy >>>theories, >>Reject all the _theories_ of it that you want! Just don't >>pretend that it doesn't exist. It exists -- richly. >What exists, richly, is your paranoid imagination, which you >have frequently and even eloquently demonstrated Regarding parnoia -- where there is actual threat there is no paranoia. You're not paranoid if they are actually trying to get you <g>. It is clear we will have to agree to disagree, Mr. Clark. Lehmberg@snowhill.cm -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:16:18 -0500 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:52:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >To: Updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. Hail fellow mote and UpDate neuron! >I initially posted >my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the >Elders of Zion" on his list. I sincerely thank all those who >supported my view. And where is the thanks for those that did _not_ support your view -- a contingent providing existence (to me) for more fallacious bricks in the wall of an ignorant anti-Semitism, ubiquitous conspiracy, and the mechanism of censorship that would hide these things -- _plus_ UFOs? Widen your view Josh! >I was not advocating censorship, Perhaps -- in a way that you considered safe, efficacious, and benign . . . you were. It is; however, (virtually) never safe, never efficacious, and it is, always, never benign. >but I was >stating that while I found his UFO information very >interesting, his publishing of that book was not in good taste. Gladly, I add your opinion to my personal data collection. >Some of his other political postings made me feel that his >"Light of Truth" was missing a few bulbs. I thank everyone who >lent support to my concerns. You're too selective with your thanks. Your position thrives only in the discussion of it. Hide your opposition, and make it _attractive_. >That led to a long thread of posts that debated the paranoia or >merits of conspiracy theories. It was quite a discourse of >rhetoric and principles that showed where those involved stood. >That was an interesting journey, perhaps somewhat unrelated to >the UFO issue but quite revealing. _Everything_ is related to the UFO issue, Josh. _We_ are the UFO issue. It's written into our earliest histories, manifests itself daily to millions of people (in one form or another), is at the root of all our science, philosophy, and religion, and is at the root of all our fear. >Plus, it is sure fun to have >some folks who think like you do. It is much, much _more_ fun to have some folks that do _not_ think like you do. Cop to that -- and the UFOs come down to Land. Hyperbole? I suspect _not_. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:48:44 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Subj: UFO UpDate: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >For 20 years arguments raged. Were they caused by >circular winds? Or were mysterious forces at work? >The obvious solution was human hoax. But if so, how? >In 1992, two Southampton men, Doug Bower and >Dave Chorley, confessed to making corn circles: >every summer night for 20 years. Their method was >simple: rakes and planks of wood to bash down the >crop, ropes to guide them to a perfect >circle, loops of wire on hats to guide straight lines. <snip> >'First theories were circular winds, mini-cyclones >or "dust-devils=EE [tiny tornadoes], says Montague >Keen, scientific adviser to the Centre for Crop-Circle >Studies for three years. 'A meteorologist devised >a theory of "plasma vortexes," spiralling winds of >electrically-charged air.' >Ball lightning was another possibility - again circular, >again involving powerful and little-understood >forces of electricity. I have never been much interested in crop circles and the wild speculation by those who study them. I am puzzled why they would be considered extraterrestrial in the first place. When the two old geezers confessed to making them as a prank, I figured that was the end of it. Did anyone else see the televised competition inviting teams to construct crop circles overnight with only rudimentary equipment? I thought it was pretty convincing. But a remark I read in passing has caused me to rethink the possibility that the phenomenon could be a real one, especially with the report of circles of discolored conifer forests in Canada, which might be a related phenomenon. Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn by charged-particle beams from satellites? It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could control a beam from an altitude of a few hundred miles. You could compare drawing crop circles from a space platform to the photolithography so commonly used in constructing integrated circuits out of semiconducting material. That would certainly account for the difference in crop circles in a grain crop and the discolored rings of vegetation in a conifer forest. I toss the idea out for comment and to stimulate thought.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: UFO UpDate: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:35:55 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:18:53 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >To: Updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. I initially posted >my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the >Elders of Zion" on his list. <Snip, but with great respect ...> >That was an interesting journey, perhaps somewhat unrelated to >the UFO issue but quite revealing. Plus, it is sure fun to have >some folks who think like you do. Hear tell some of you don't believe in alien abductions, UFOs, Nazi barbarism, string bikinis or even know who the hell Pia Zadora is. What fools some mortals be! Hear tell some of you are so very sensitive to the feelings of others. I heard that. What purpose is served in a debate? The primary purpose is to determine and fix the value of the debaters, is it not? The real purpose is the exercise. The issue is more often than not, secondary. It's the way we evaluate political candidates, not only by their views on issues but by the manner in which the combatants promote and defend them. Confute this. No Gripple intended. It was exceedingly difficult for Dr. Gesundt to keep his mouth shut on the issues debated as a result of your original post, Josh. There was nothing left after the scavengers finished their meal. I flew by in my RenseWorld Avatar often, just looking for a scrap. Not that I was hungry, but rather, I was seeking that piece of undigested wisdom, which I assumed had been left. There wasn't any. Like Dylan once said, "Nothing is revealed!" On the issue, that is! Ah, but of the debaters, much remained. Character remained. I saw him on my first sortie over the battle field. There he was! Cleaving and soaring just over the field of dreams. Oh, and Honor was there as well. And they were one. Nothing is more abhorrent to me than inflicting pain on innocents. To cause suffering, embarrassment, fear, degradation, dependence, loneliness and all which is attached to prejudice, is the epitome of evil. To cause a loss of face of a man (or woman, thank you) by another is the ultimate after the penultimate. That was for the record. When such devices are used in a debate, it is akin to terrorism. But this is a free country. One man's news is another's bad taste in the telling of it, eh? Dr. Jaime Gesundt, fellow neuron.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: Stephen G. Bassett <SGBList2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:41:23 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:22:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Steve Neill Walks >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) >Steve Neill, Renowned UFO Researcher and Artist, Quits Ufology > ________________________________ >From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >>5-15-99 >After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct >experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO >community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that >I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently. >All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the >backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the >radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all >overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a >virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell >the truth. <snip> To: Steve Neill Steve, This is not the time for intelligent, productive contributors to the process of disclosure and understanding to withdraw. Things are just getting interesting. Surely you must know that as we get closer to the finish line the level of resistance, at least for a time would, increase. There have been casualties, but never in history has an event of this magnitude taken place without them. Instead of throwing up your hands, look to some of the concrete activities that are ongoing. Support Gersten/CAUS's effort at forcing the government into court in three separate cases. Support the State Ballot Initiative that MUFON recently endorsed and has the potential to place the UFO/ET phenomena question and the Congressional hearing demand directly in front of as many as 100 million citizens in the 2000 election. Access your contacts in Hollywood to see if one or more of the very successful entertainers are willing to make history and put a modest few hundred thousand dollars into the political initiatives. That little bit of money could completely turn the tables. Help the Paradigm Research Group engage the political media. Many are very close to taking on this issue as a true news investigation and not infotainment. Remember, what you see on the Internet and within the domain (now JF has me using this) of the research field is still only the activity of a few. This phenomena and its implications will effect billions, most of whom having no idea what is coming at them. Now is not the time to condemn the cloistered world of ufology, but rather to hold your ground and start speaking to the larger world. And that cannot be done without utilizing the work product and efforts of the UFO/ET phenomena research community with all its flaws. These people have done the best they could under difficult circumstances with virtually no cultural support. Disclosure is close at hand. We need people like you more than ever. Regards, Stephen Bassett Paradigm Research Group
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #304 From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:53:36 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #304 >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:16:11 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #304 >Apology to MW #304 (For May 22, 1999) <Snip> >I surf the ether on a _board_ of plastic and a white phone cord. >Plugged into my wall at home I spread across the states like >foam. I danced and tripped and laughed out loud. I told a joke; >I raged and growled. I was left to _my_ devices. It was perfect. >It was priceless. I sputtered oaths of righteous bile, my voice >was heard for miles of miles! I hammered home a point well made, >I struck a blow for freedom's sake! I begged for light, it's >noticed absence -- spoke for change of hate to gladness. I had >the chance to speak up proud; to raise _my_ flag; to shout out >_loud_. _My_ banner raised on watts of power I ranted, raved, >and fairly glowered! I was loosed, unbound and free! _Someone_! >Throw a _net_ on me! <G>. >And then too fast the hour's done -- and quick as that, unplug >the fun! I was spent but most infused with gladness I was not >abused. <g>. The board dissolves beneath my feet, resolves to >phones -- it's bittersweet. I want more time! I wasn't >_finished_! I _want_ this stuff like Popeye's spinach! Swooping >like the Silver Surfer into homes invited, nurtured! Silent >voices shouting back with hot agreements -- lack of tact! People >_pausing_ in their toils, listening to my words uncoil, but it's >gone -- the line now dead. I miss it like a junkie, Fred. >A lucky guy, I had my shot, and likely _I_ was not so hot, but >having it, I now want more, and pray that I'm allowed to score. >There's nothing like it anywhere; I envy Stern, and Rense, mon >frere! Bell, and Howe are lucky stiffs (and Limbaugh truly >_wastes_ his gifts). Just to get out _in_ the night . . . to >grab some *truth*, and take a bite. It's just _you_ and watts of >juice; you cleave and soar! You're fast; You're -- loose. . . You can have Stern, Bell and Howe.... I'll take Rense, Knapp and you and how! Restore Al Lehmburg! You can send your checks to his agents, Drs. Jaime and Gesundt, Canal Street UFO Attorneys at Law ... uh, better make that cash,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:23:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:29:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:55:23 EDT >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >To: updates@globalserve.net >With all due respect, I happen to like American money. I wish I [...] >from gumball machines. Money talks, and many scientists who are >unwilling to become involved out of curiousity or scientific [...] >And that's fine with me. >Greg Hi Greg, Meanwhile, I have my severe doubts about the way a special kind of money rules the world. Again, to understand the language of the old stones in Europe, of the energy lines and grids and amidst of all of the crop circle phenomenon (the genuine one)one has to be there, to see and to feel it, to sit up on Walker's Hill beside the Cliff. Once you've been there,you don't need any of our sciences to understand, the Phenomenon is there for mankind, for each of us as a pure being, to become aware of the spirit that is within all of us. The Phenomenon is a reminder for all of us to sit back, to stop for a moment, to look around and to start to think about who we are, where we are, where we do come from and where we might go. It is that simple: this time a non-himan Intelligence has manifested it/him/herself with graphic symbols as a challenge to our tolerance and ot our anthropocentric view of our self made reality. We are just a tiny part of the Universe, tiny but important as every other particle is. And we all belong to the same, in truth, the megaliths are your brothers. Once there lived some peoples in your part of this planet, they knew about the relationships of matter and spirit. I have heard that the American Army has left some of them over, so if you could find one of them, ask him. He will tell you similar things as the Intelligence behind the crop circle phenomenon has told us in the early nineties in England. So Mr. 'Mymoneywillmakeit' may stay in his palace, neither this planet nor the universe need him and the lovely countryside of Pewsey is the last place where he or his MID's (Men In Dollars)or his hired scientists should appear. He should wait a few years until his transition comes - then he'll know everything - for free. Spirit does not need any Dollar - this time no chance at all. Yours truly, Joachim Koch & Hans-Juergen Kyborg, Germany
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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 UFO Report - Bloomington, Indiana 05-11-99 From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:17:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:41:50 -0400 Subject: UFO Report - Bloomington, Indiana 05-11-99 UFO Report May 11, 1999 - 11:55 a.m. Bloomington, Indiana [Monroe County] Courtesy of an E-mail notification from Mr. Shane Dodd, a resident of Bloomington, Indiana [name used with permission], the following UFO report was submitted. Mr. Dodd states: "On the night of May 11th, 1999, around midnight, I spotted what I believe to be a UFO over the town of Bloomington, Indiana, westside of town close to Monroe resovouir. Movement was eradict, but visibility of it was low. It appeared to be in a cloud bank, and at first I believed it to be a satellite due to it's straight relatively fast path, but then it turned quickly and retraced a parallel path to it's original path. It then disappeared from my sight due to obstruction of a tree in my courtyard. It then reappeared to the right of the original path and made a sharp right turn and completely disappeared from sight. I do not know what it was, but it moved too eradict for a conventional aircraft, in my opinion. I have not seen anything in the news in the area about further sightings. I would appreciate any further information you could give me on other sightings that may have been reported around that time or where I may be able to look info on my own." ADDITIONAL COMMENT: The claimant included his E-mail address and telephone number for follow-up. In addition to a phone call to his residence and additional E-mail correspondence, Mr. Dodd agreed to respond to a list of ten questions posed to him, to which he responded appropriately. The object was viewed from the patio of his residence, which is located on E. Kingston Drive in Bloomington. He had been watching "what few stars could seen" before the clouds moved in when he "just happened to see what he first thought was satellite." He kept watching the object, which then began making the tight and odd maneuvers. He observed the object for approximately 10 to 20 seconds, and there was no sound heard in conjunction with the sighting. The witness reports that the object was the size of a dime at arm's length, which makes for an unusually large object in the sky. By appropriate comparison, the planet Venus is less than 1/4 mass of a pea held at arm's length. The witness detected no unusual animal reaction in the vicinity, reported no electrical trouble in the area, and no adverse physical conditions. The object was directly above and slightly east of his location. He stated that comments from his initial written report were incorrect regarding his position on the west side of town. He clarified that his position was on the east side of town. He also stressed that the object was almost directly above his location, and the horizon was not visible to him. Bloomington, Indiana is nearly 42.5 miles south of Indianapolis. Of possible relevance to this report is the Crane Naval Surface Warfare Center, west of Bloomington, Indiana. Two interesting reports about Crane can be read at: http://roswell.fortunecity.com/fate/324/dejavu.htm http://roswell.fortunecity.com/fate/324/thefarm.htm This location has a rich history of UFO sightings, including an odd incident happening in 1995 in which the search for a reported plane crash did not yield any debris or wreckage in the suspected crash area. For details of this report, see: http://home.fuse.net/ufo/BLOOMINGTON.htm Filed; May 23, 1999 Kenny Young -- UFO Research
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:37:53 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:50:49 -0400 Subject: Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 Hello, all Jim,(a tip O'the Gripple to Dr.Gesundt) >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:55:11 EDT >Subject: Re: *U* Map: North America 1947 >To: updates@globalserve.net >>Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:18:54 -0700 >>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: *U* Map: North America 1947 >>Dear list: >>The link below connects directly to my UFO map of North America >>for 1947. >>Out of 569 sightings listed in the *U* Database, some 504 were >>in North America. These show as white dots. >> http://www.jps.net/larryhat/NAM47.html >>Note some interesting alignments. One runs SE from >>South-central Washington state, thru Oregon, Idaho into Utah at >>a 45 degree angle .. much of this territory is still desolate. God's country, the Ufonauts obviously appreciate perfection. All kidding aside, there is a rather interesting connecting point, er points one end of the UFO trail starts in Idaho at the National Reactor Test Facility, Arco, Id. was the first city in the world lighted by atomic power-in 1947. The other end following Hwy.30 roughly was the Handford Nuclear Reservation. Hmmm. >>Another follows the US99 (now I-5) corridor from Puget Sound >>down thru central California. Starting with Seattle (Boeing) traveling thru Oregon and the Napa valley (Ah Hah! Gesundt may be right!) and the Bay Area (Livermore) to L.A.(Douglas, North American, Convair, yadda, yadda,) - Again a connection. >>Numerous sightings seem to hug either side of the 40th parallel >>(latitude) thru the Eastern states. Being amoung other things I'm a railfan, and what I notice is some of the railroads are followed more than highways, the New Mexico, Arizona, Calif. trail follow the Southern Pacific's line almost exactly, but not I-10/Route 66 also there appears a parallel with Union Pacific's Mainline even more than Hwy 30 in IN.and OR. Recon maybe? Back then we hauled things atomic by rail. >>The needle sharp surge in UFO reports in June & July 1947 is >>inexplicably followed by an even steeper decline. Recon over, time analyse the data. >>Similar map - histogram display pairs are presented for other >>wave years, 1950; 1952; 1954; and so on. >>I hope you all have some time to look around the website. It >>took 15 years to gather the data. Great job!! I hope it starts everyone ah, thinking about the possiblities. >I hope each of the list members, those who are researching this >phenomena, and anyone significantly interested in the subject, >goes to Larry's site. The data is fascinating. Larry, if I am >not mistaken, this is exactly what Jacques Vallee wanted to do >long ago, when computers were not as yet PC's. >There must be someone out there who would consider funding >and/or volunteering there time and work with Larry, some folks >with computer expertise, to format some programs with which to >do the same for other time periods prior to and after flaps. >Perhaps even a contiguous run of maps from 1947 thru to date ... >A Herculean job but one which may dispense significant data with >which to provide this list with more debating fodder than >Carters has Little Liver Pills. And if you do not know what >Carters Little Liver Pills are ... be happy! It means you are >young enough not to be that old. Yes,I do (shudder)remember C.L.L.P.) >Good work Larry. I appreciate people like you (and some very >few others, unfortunately) who put their money where their mouth >is. Some folks like to puff and posture. Some just like to >puff. But the real seekers of wisdom and truth sit right down >and work their asses off. Your name, Mr. Hatch, is synonymous >with the music business. Some members of the Hatch family were >(are??) composers. I have some original compositions from a >Hatch or two saved away from those years when I was studying >classical piano ... but that was so long ago it was before >Carter ... not the president either. The Hatches were known to >our family then. >Good work, Sir. I commend you. And note, please, the Sir has a >capital "S." I too Larry, though my endorsement carries little Horsepower, your work says somthing else may be going on, and it may be that elusive thing in UFology-quantifiable. GT McCoy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 On 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Greg Sandow From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:57:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:57:26 -0400 Subject: On 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Greg Sandow From: UFO UpDates - Toronto On 'Strange Days... Indeed' tonight, Greg Sandow. Join co-host Jonn Kares and I on 'Strange Days...Indeed' as we discuss Greg's take on many aspects of UFO phenomena The program starts at 11:00pm EST on 1010 CFRB AM - 50,000 watts 'Clear-Channel' 6070khz Shortwave and you can listen via Netshow Media Player at: www.cfrb.com/ To call the program 'live', dial: On-Air 416-872-1010 1-800-561-CFRB [all over North America] *TALK [local mobiles]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:44:46 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:11:54 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:24:06 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >>>From: Steven J. Dunn <SDunn@logicon.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>, >>>Subject: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >>>Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:00:45 -0700 >>>Wednesday, May 19, 1999 Published at 11:11 GMT 12:11 UK >>>BBC :"US billionaire funds crop circle research" >>>US billionaire Laurance Rockefeller is to fund the UK's biggest >>>survey of crop circles. >><snip> Mr. Rockefeller, I must now confirm that I am coordinating the forces that have been making the crop circles. Why do you not understand what thwy say? If you please send just.01% of your wealth I will consider it a commission to provide you with a summary.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 SETI@home Teams From: Karel Bagchus <1charles@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:34:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:17:20 -0400 Subject: SETI@home Teams Hi, I just went over to the SETI@home website, it has a new feature of teams. Categories are scools/companies/clubs. Instead of joining an existing team I was wondering whether anybody would be interested in forming a 'UFO Updates' team. And also, would it be okay to use that name ? Best regards, Karel [I think its a splendid idea - as long as you key 'UpDates' correctly --ebk] -------------------------====#### Class Logic ####====--------------------- Software Development Microsoft Certified Professional Karel Bagchus mailto:H.Bagchus@cable.a2000.nl Transvaalstraat 15 / 3-hoog 1092 HA Amsterdam the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 - 77 01 642 GSM: 06 - 22 987 327 -------------------------====###################====---------------------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 BWW Media Alert 19990523 From: BufoCalvin@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:14:14 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:38:23 -0400 Subject: BWW Media Alert 19990523 Bufo Calvin P O Box 5231, Walnut Creek, CA 94596 Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com Website: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin">http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin </A> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/bufosweirdworld">Link to Amazon.com </A> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made to http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with strangers before you e-mail them something. If you forward this, please make sure it is clear that you are forwarding it). May 23, 1999 I'll be making a rare two-hour appearance (I don't have that much time to do these currently) on Eddie Middleton's NIGHTSEARCH this coming Sunday (May 30) at 2:00 PM (Pacific). I'm going to go back to do a regular segment on this show. Feel free to call in, although there is no streaming audio. For details, see Radio below. As usual, let me know what you think at <A HREF="mailto: bufocalvin@aol.com">BufoCalvin@aol.com </A>. On to the listings: Times are generally Pacific. LIVE EVENTS (lectures, etc.) Wednesday, May 26, 7:00 PM, Bookland, South Portland, Maine (207-773-4238): Loren Coleman will be signing copies of <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380802635/bufosweirdworld">The Field Guide to Bigfoot, Yeti, and Other Mystery Primates Worldwide </A> RADIO Eddie Middleton's very popular show in the South, Nightsearch, has a website at <A HREF="http://listen.to/nightsearch">http://listen.to/nightsearch<;/A>. Unfortunately, no streaming audio. Sundays from 2:00 to 4:00 PM (Pacific). The call-in line is 901-365-1430. Sunday, May 23, 2:00 PM, Ed and Lorraine Warren ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312951132/bufosweirdworld">Grave yard: True Hauntings From an Old English Cemetary (paperback) </A>)(ghost-busting...live from Scotland) Sunday, May 30, 2:00 PM, Bufo Calvin (yes, it's me) Don Ecker, of UFO MAGAZINE, hosts STRANGE DAZE on the Liberty Works. It can be heard on streaming Real Audio at <A HREF="http://www.broadcast.com/radio/talk/lwrn">http://www.broadcast.com/radio /talk/lwrn </A>. Mike Jarmus, REALITY AND BEYOND, 7:00 PM Sundays, <A HREF="http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram">http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram </A>. Streaming audio available Sunday, May 23, 7:00 PM, UFOS, THE ALIEN AUTOPSY, & ROCK & ROLL (Reg Presley of the Troggs) ART BELL - DREAMLAND Currently, the most popular talk show on this area. <A HREF="http://www.artbell.com/">http://www.artbell.com/<;/A>. Live streaming audio (and video) available. JEFF RENSE - SIGHTINGS Jeff is well-versed on the topics, but likes to let the guests speak, resulting in one of the best radio shows on these topics. You can hear Real Audio of the show, and there are archives as well. Go to <A HREF="http://www.sightings.com/">http://www.sightings.com/<;/A> for more information. The show is on at 7:00 PM Pacific Monday through Saturday, and 8:00 PM Pacific on Sunday. You can hear it anywhere through your computer. To subscribe to the Jeff Rense Weekly E-news (which includes articles), e-mail (subject: Subscribe) <A HREF="mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net">mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net</A>. Sunday, May 23, 8:00 PM, Tony Dodd on UK UFO police sightings Tuesday, May 25, 7:00 PM, Canadian UFO report Wednesday, May 26, 7:00 PM, Michael Lindemann, Weekly UFO/World report Thursday, May 27, 7:00 PM, Christopher O'Brien ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0312958838/bufosweirdworldA/">The Mysterious Valley </A> and <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312968353/bufosweirdworld">Enter the Valley </A>)on UFOs, cattle mutilations, etc., in the San Luis valley Friday, May 28, 7:00 PM, David Oester and Sharon Gill ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965440508/bufosweirdworld">The Haunted Reality (paperback) </A>), International Ghost Hunters report PAUL WILLIAMS & SCOTT CARR: UFO DESK This New York show has been around for years, but is now available on streaming audio. The website is <A HREF="http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html">http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ ufodesk.html </A>. It runs at 8:00 PM (Pacific) on Sundays. JEFF MISHLOVE AND THE VIRTUAL UNIVERSITY Webcast every weekday at 8:00 PM for two hours, with a repeat at 10:00 PM. Webcast at <A HREF="http://www.wisdomradio.com/">http://www.wisdomradio.com/<;/A>. Tuesday, May 25, 8:00 PM and 10:00 PM, Exploring Life After Death with Dr. Sukie Miller ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684838699/bufosweirdworld">After Death: Mapping the Journey </A>) Wednesday, May 26, 8:00 PM and 10:00 PM, Loyd Auerbach ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1575660474/bufosweirdworld">Mind Over Matter (paperback) </A>): Loyd's a great speaker and very knowledgable Thursday, May 27, 8:00 PM and 10:00 PM, Dr. Martin Rossman ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0398065500/bufosweirdworld">Spont aneous Creative Imagery (paperback) </A>) on guided imagery TELEVISION A&E (USA) Sunday, May 23, 10:00 PM, ANCIENT MYSTERIES WITH LEONARD NIMOY: UFOS: THE FIRST ENCOUNTERS (ancient references to UFOs) Sunday, May 23, 11:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: UFOS VS. THE GOVERNMENT CHANNEL 7 (Sydney, Australia) Thursday, May 20, 4:40 AM (Sydney Time), ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (USA) Friday, May 28, 8:00 PM, AMERICA'S HAUNTED HOUSES Friday, May 28, 11:00 PM, AMERICA'S HAUNTED HOUSES Next Thursday, June 3, 10:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: CREATURES IN THE SHADOWS (killer bees; animals that heal) Next Friday, June 4, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: CREATURES IN THE SHADOWS (killer bees; animals that heal) THE HISTORY CHANNEL Tuesday, May 25, 5:00 PM, ALIEN HUNTERS (don't know if this is just SETI or not) Tuesday, May 25, 9:00 PM, ALIEN HUNTERS (don't know if this is just SETI or not) Wednesday, May 26, 1:00 AM, ALIEN HUNTERS (don't know if this is just SETI or not) THE NASHVILLE NETWORK Tuesday, May 25, 9:30 AM, WOMAN'S DAY WITH PHYLLIS GEORGE (includes psychic Maria Papapetros) Tuesday, May 25, 2:30 PM, WOMAN'S DAY WITH PHYLLIS GEORGE (includes psychic Maria Papapetros) THE SCIENCE CHANNEL New schedule again, since March 29. Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE (don't know which one) Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays, 10:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays,6:00 PM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Tuesdays through Saturdays, 2:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 9:00 AM and 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 5:00 PM and 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Saturdays, OUT OF THIS WORLD all day long THE SCI-FI CHANNEL (US Feed) Monday, May 24, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3015 (haunted highway; psychosomatics; UFOs; psychic detective; synesthesia) Tuesday, May 25, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3016 (exorcism; Orson Welles; alien abduction) Wednesday, May 26, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3017 (USS Franklin D. Roosevelt encounter; past lives; time travel) Thursday, May 27, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3018 (UFO and P-51 crash; spontaneous human combustion; "psychic evidence") Friday, May 28, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3019 (Mexican UFOs; psychic twins; cloning) Tuesday, June 1, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3020 (UFOs in the Pacific Northwest; healing; psychic detective; Hollywood haunting) Wednesday, June 2, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3021 (Roswell; dog senses impending heart attack; psychic detective; cemetary haunting) Thursday, June 3, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3022 (twins abducted by aliens; artificial intelligence; haunting; angels) Friday, June 4, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3023 (past lives; ghost; ETs and nuclear weapons; snake handling; near-death experiences) SPACE (Canada) Sunday, May 23, 7:30 PM (time zone unknown), UFO FILES AND PARANORMAL PHENOMENA Monday, May 31, 3:30 AM (time zone unknown), EXTRAODINARY (includes Loni Anderson's psychic abilities) SYNDICATED (USA) Friday, May 28, JERRY SPRINGER (psychic detective...repeat) Next Thursday, June 3, THE ROSEANNE SHOW (includes psychic George Anderson) WTVS (Canada) Saturday, May 29, 3:00 PM (time zone unknown), PETS: PART OF THE FAMILY (includes a pet psychic) ___________________________ This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!" ____________________________ You can stop receiving this from me just by asking (note: it is commonly redistributed, and I can't control you getting it from those sources) by e-mail at BufoCalvin@aol.com. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Google From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:40:16 -0400 Subject: Google For those interested in such: yet another US government document-specific search engine, this one very fast, that pulls up interesting links when search terms such as "UFO" are entered: http://www.google.com/unclesam
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Steve Neill Quits From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:32:11 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:45:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Quits I held this until morning so I wouldn't feel lousy about hitting "enter" after I sobered up... I'm sober. I aint sorry. So here! >From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Steve Neill Walks >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) >Steve Neill, Renowned UFO Researcher and Artist, Quits Ufology >________________________________ >From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >5-15-99 > >After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct >experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO >community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that >I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently. Those demented minds who hide behind their erudition, display understanding and patience for their pair-a-dimes only, and not anyone else's. These are the disgraceful, the vile and demented. So what, Steve? Means you gotta give in to the maroons in this business? The only difference between then and now is the speed with which the dimbulbs (sorta like me) have an opportunity to inebriate during research ... it's _CHANGE_ uncle Steve! Not of the subject, or the people, but the manner in which the messages are all are delivered. At nearly the speed of light and with no filters built in like in the movies. In the old days of radio you used your imagination, not your hormones. Now, you gotta have your own filters. In the old days of amateur radio, we used crystal filters and notch filters to separate the noise from the signal ... you need some filters, pal! That'a what I invented Gripple for, eh? We don't need one less researcher, we need one less dimbulb _or_ six more filters in a bottle! You can buy real cheap digital signal processors today. And my fresh products are right down ther in the dirt with those dimenteds' you were talking about. >All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the >backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the >radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all >overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a >virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell >the truth. Not everyone, but there is much truth in those words. So what? >The UFO 'community' is its own worst enemy. Any respect this >field might have had or been due to receive has been destroyed >by the actions of many, if not most, of the key players >involved. I say *most* involved because there are some very good >professional people in the field...but they are a relative few >and maintain low profiles for the most part. Also too true. But it is still a free country... for the time being. It is still a free Internet. It is my personal opinion that truth wins over culpable ignorance ... that " ... truth comes closest to being the basis for all morality." (Frank Herbert). And it is the truth and NOT the BS, which will be recognized by the righteous. Are you righteous? Then continue with the truth! >After many, many years of involvement and serious study, I have >regrettably had to accept that many of the good people who come >into contact with this subject are often destroyed by it, and >can lose family, friends and even their careers because of the >fighting and manipulation and treachery running rampant. Also true ... so what's so different now than in 1950? So what? >Perhaps the people who designed and implemented the 50 year UFO >cover-up are right. Perhaps they know exactly what they were - >and are - doing. Perhaps they realized it by simply watching the >behavior of the UFO 'community' and knew better than to give >this biggest secret of all to the masses. Without doubt, if the >world at-large acted like the UFO 'community'...the world might >well stop...the engine of society gagging itself to a dead stall >after choking on the outrageous lies, deceit, fraud, hate, and >hoaxes that so permeate the UFO 'culture' these days. >In retrospect, perhaps some of my own actions have been >irresponsible and may have unwittingly contributed to the stress >and downfall of some...in the sense that my experiences >terrified them and set up an opportunity for hustlers to play on >the underlying current of exaggeration, fear, and anxiety that >hearing these experiences can bring about. Somewhat naievely, I >thought it was important that people know and that it might help >some of them. But for all those I helped, I may have done a >disservice to many more. We all make mistakes. Mistakes are not a reason to give up. Failure can be achieved by taking any number of roads. The worst road to failure is to give up... >It can be reckless to alarm the public, even if you do have >proof. We should think more of what the 'truth' could do to >those who hear it...instead of what it can do for we who know. >This isn't a warning about pollution or some social injustice >but of an invasion by beings from another world(s) who have >*total control* over us. And we, as a species, haven't a clue. >That kind of knowledge can destroy one's ambition, social >parameters, and, in some extreme cases, even the will to live. >This we cannot allow to happen. Certainly, many humans may be >'ready' for the 'truth' but given the current state of the >world...and the strangle hold on over half the world's >population by organized 'religion'...the results would be >catastrophic. Perhaps I am naive, but this argument in my opinion is more BS than fact. The people of planet earth, by and large, are ready. There are a multitude of zealots who will never be ready, not even if a slant eyed gray spits in their faces... assuming grays are capable of that action! Again, SO WHAT? Education teaches a fundamental order, to learn how to find the truth and then peruse it. Seek, find and prove ... there is nothing about giving up in that formula. >Finally, it would be a much better use of our time if we pursued >issues we CAN control in order to provide a real future for our >children...those who can still think for themselves. What issues sir, have you control over? Space exploration? What the governments of our world are doing about pollution? What about the ozone layer? How about global warming? How about starving mammals of the world's oceans... ? How about them Mets, eh? Control? Sir, and with respect, you have control over NOTHING in this world, in this country. And _that_ is a very big part of the battle for truth over the UFO conspiracy. Yes, "conspiracy!" Whose? Beats me. But there is at least one. We do not know the truth. Who has the truth? Someone or some entity. But they are not sharing it with us. Cogito, ergo "conspiracy!" All the reasons (and some of them pretty damned good, too) you give for giving up are the very same reasons for good researchers to stay with the battle. Perhaps you do not have the stomach for it any more? That, I can understand. But these excuses you give are something Gesundt would demonstrate, while on Gripple... too much Gripple. >Have any of you talked to a 16 year old lately? Many of our own >children, tomorrow's 'leaders,' have very little hope for the >future. They often live for the moment and the next high (drugs >or otherwise) and their heroes are all too often dark >'movements,' and dark rock bands with their dark and ugly >lyrics, dark video games of death and terror, and dark thought >which is spawned and nurtured in their young minds by the >greed-obsessed 'entertainment' industry and other mass-mind >control mechanisms. What happened to the The Beatles and John >Glenn? What happened to at least the idea of morals and >positive values? Responsibility? Accountability? What >happened to the concept of 'giving'? You speak as if all our young people are that way. They are not. It's the vocal minority given prime time media coverage by that same media that laughs it's genitalia off all the way to the bank. There are infinitely better tales to tell, but those don't help the ratings. And even guys like you are beginning to believe the pap and crap you are listening to ... perhaps we are better off without you? That was a question. >The same egomania and self-aggrandizement that fuels the morons >who top the pop music charts is found in the UFO 'community' as >well. Oh yes, the vocabulary is a little more astute but don't >kid yourself, it's the same old rocket-to-stardom "I wanna be a >star" syndrome. >In the UFO 'community' theft of others' research has replaced >the real thing. Many 'researchers' go to conferences and on >radio programs and simply spew various mixtures of other >peoples' data...begged, borrowed, and just plain stolen. When >is the last time you heard someone unique...who actually said >something 'new'? It doesn't happen very often. >It's time to try to reach back to being the great beings we >were...and are...so that we may reach ahead and make it to that >future which holds so much promise. We went to the Moon over 30 >years ago and what a proud moment it was. >Now it's time to journey to Mars...and the stars beyond...where >one day WE will become the aliens. Let's give the world >something positive for a change. For starters, let's stop >knocking NASA. Sure, every agency has its problems but overall >they've done more to help this planet and its people then any of >you UFO folks will ever hope to do. It's stupid to make an enemy >out of the very people >who have the keys to our own Starship. In a free society, the free are free to question everything and every one in government. The problem is, once we've uncovered the raw sewage, we do little or nothing about it. "Tsk, tsk" all the way to the corner drug store, the corner bar and grill, the corner drive thru liquor store ... et al. It's a lot easier that way. Let others take the heat... That's what people like you are for... Say, why don't you spend some of that free time you're gonna have convincing citizens not about their responsibilities as citizens, but about their responsibilities as humans? Huh? Their responsibilities to their children ... to nurture and love, to teach and to guide. Ooops. That's not UFO material... So sorry. >I know some of you will be offended by my actions and my words. >You wouldn't expect it from Steve Neill of all people. Well, >it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, you don't know 10% of >what you think you do. After all, there is life after UFOs and >it's a great one I plan on living. My efforts at this point are >to shift back to what I was doing before all this started...to >promoting manned space exploration anyway I can. You will >already see examples of this redirected energy on my website and >there will be more to come. I for one, wish you well. But I am offended. Not by your words, rather by your actions ... I am offended by anyone who gives in and gives up. Even if I disagree with their pair-a-dimes! (Thanks to Larry Hatch for that one... Gesundt aint that smart). >All the Universe or Nothingness. I have too many questions to give up. And if I cease asking the questions, somebody, please shoot me... but make it a good clean shot. I can't take pain! Jim Mortellaro, Ph.D., MBA, M.O.U.S.E., Coming loud >The choice is ours. >-Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >www.alienfx.com >A brief comment on one Robert A. M. Stephens. If you strip away >the foul language (which he claims to use only to respond to >people who abuse him), you might just see the UFO community's >own karma coming home to roost. The chances of this man 'just >happening' to stumble into this arena are about zero. If >nothing else, he has exposed many of the biggest frauds and >egos, and most guilty corruptors of reality. He has also held >up a mirror to UFOlogy...forcing it to look at it's own ugly >face. He has shown how it has defiled its own opportunity to >make an orderly and intelligent advance into our immediate >future. Robert A. M. Stephens is a symptom of serious >trouble...and, just perhaps, he is the bitter medicine that >could start a cure. Only time will tell. As if we all needed another mirror. Put your mirrors away, they can only remind you of your tsuris, Steve. Like the mirrors in the barber shop, so you can see the tonsure at the back of your head. Aint nuttin there needer except skin. (In my case, at least) Ram A Lam, we don't need. Fromage and Rockyfellers dough and clout, we need. Velez, Hopkins and their ilk, we need. We are going to keep what and who we need. The rest don't matter. I saw a sign in a shop that closed down do to failing in the business. It said something like, "Thank you ... To all of those who wished us well. All the rest can go to hell!" Wish us well while your going to Mars and the stars. I hope you are able to contribute something not yet achieved. But how can someone who has failed to cross the river of life's work, switch rivers at the end ... and hope to cross another one, even more treacherous, more strange and unfamiliar? I don't understand that. Good luck. Gripple will make you wiggle and dance. But those last few drops are gonna run down your pants..... it's the law! Jim Mortellaro
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:11 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net Hi Pat >Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >by charged-particle beams from satellites? I think a few have theorised over this and space based microwave weapons, but why over complicate crop circles? You've seen how easily they can be created by humans, and no-one's ever seen them made by other means. We should spend more time looking at other aspects of ufology, although crop circles should never have been associated with ufology in the first place. Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 AURORA 1897 From: Richard D. Nolane <raynaud@total.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:04:56 -0500 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:54:24 -0400 Subject: AURORA 1897 Dear List members, I'm very interested by the "pre-arnoldian" UFO history (I have published a book in France about it : "Autrefois les OVNI : trente si=E8cles de t=E9moignages" (1998)) and I was thinking that the famous 1897 "Aurora, Texas Crash" was nothing more than an hoax. But I found in Jim Marrs' "Alien Agenda" some new info about that case which seems a little disturbing and which throws a new light on the Aurora story. Jim Marrs have found and interviewed at the beginning of the seventies one witness present in 1897, a man named Charlie C. Stephens, who stated that the story of the crash was true. This contradicts the affirmation that all the very few witness found by modern researchers said that it was an hoax. And another part of the story seems now less clear than before: the "alien pilot" grave. Jim Marrs writes that he saw the broken headstone before it was stolen and that some strange engravings were on it. He writes too that at least one of the metal fragments found in the grave presented very unusual properties detected by Dr. Tom Gray of University of North Texas, a part of the story, of course, "forgotten" by Philip "Desinformation Is My Business" Klass and other profes- sional debunkers. And Jim Maars writes that "The grave was not full-size. It was obviously the grave of a child or very small man." The broken headstone and, it seems, more metal fragments were stolen in 1973 by unknown persons. But is a legal action really impossible to be taken to seek an exhumation ? To find if the skeleton in the grave is human or not ? Best wishes, RDN
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:00:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:25:03 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Tue, 18 May 99 15:09:11 PDT >>>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:04:26 -0500 >>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>Date: Mon, 17 May 99 09:20:20 PDT >>>Whoa! I "seem to be saying" that I took exception with your >>>thinly veiled suggestion that there should be a list of >>>forbidden works. >>I have no idea what "thinly veiled suggestion" you thought you >>read, and I'm not sure what "a list of forbidden works" is. >They are broad brushes with sticky paint, sir. You would decide >for me _my_ editorial policy. The irritation in your reply >suggests I must have said something pretty close to the mark to >get you so riled up. <g>. Uh, I don't think so. >>Some works, however, have done huge >>harm to civilization, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is >>among the most notorious of these. >>The point is that conspiracy theories >>are not harmless nonsense but demonstrably destructive delusions >>whose consequences are sometimes violence and tyranny. >And I maintain that these self same theories of conspiracy are >born out of a real paucity of forthcoming government, repressive >religious institution, and a prostituted news media. To suggest >that my conscientious concern, wet leg, and nonplused >incredulity with the official version of reality addresses _my_ >gullibility -- misses the proverbial barn! Rather, it is the >_lack_ of rationally relevant information I seem to be getting! >_That_ is the "fuel" for my delusion! My culture has lost the >right to dictate to _me_ the state of _my_ reality. sir. I will >make my own calls, and write my conscience. It is clear that we don't occupy the same reality. I think we can agree on at least that much. >Rather, it is _you_ sir that quibbles on the issue of *who* will >decide *what* for *whom*. Your appeals to to the "rational >reader", and your dismissive referral to me in a royally imposed >literary third person perhaps says more to that reader than you >realize. Whatever. >>>>What I was urging, as all non-conspiracist readers easily >>>>figured out, was that Jeff Rense exercise his position as >>>>editor of a website to keep the discourse rational. >Here, when confronted by an inexplicably _irrational_ and >enigmatic phenomena I would prefer to have _all_ the >informational mechanisms and informations I can find. It is >clear that UFO's are not holding still for _your_ kind of >investigation sir. The actual *looking* still has yet to occur. >Unfortunately (?)-- Jeff Rense is going to break the story >sometimes. So will Drudge (if it's spooge stains that ring your >bell), so will the scurrilous tabloid. But first we'll have to >agree on definitions for words that you so airily dispense -- >"rational" being only one of them. Earlier today I happened to read an excellent definition of paranoia, which I believe applies to your political views generally and to your inability to discern the difference, clear to most people, between censorship and editorial judgment. In his Stalin in Power (1990), among other things a biography of a conspiracy theorist, Robert C. Tucker defines paranoia as the tendency to "place sinister interpretations on events that may have no sinister bearing, and attribute hostile motives to acts that may have no hostile intent." >Succumbing to the temptation to breath on "AH," you forget the >original thrust of of this dialogue. I was unaware of the >document at _all_ (my own meager education and experience an >obvious _fraction_ of your own). It was the suggestion of its >debate on the Rense site (as a result of a more inclusive >definition of journalism than yours, it appears) that I am aware >of it at _all_. What has _your_ definition of rationality, and >responsible journalism provided, sir? Precious little. I would not characterize what goes on at Jeff Rense's site as "journalism." Nor would anybody who knows that journalism is not everything-goes and make-it-up-as-you-go- along. That's why, for example, the people who work at Weekly World News are not journalists, any more than are those frightened souls who rant about black helicopters and the New World Order. At least, unlike the latter, the WWN people know that what they're spouting is nonsense. >We can go there if you _like_ sir! And, thanks for dropping the >affected third person. How about dropping the affected "sir"? >>Do you hold that standards of evidence are irrelevant to >>discussions of real-life issues? >No -- I believe that it _may_ be the standards of evidence can >be conveniently applied, or not applied at _all_ based on very >arbitrary and conveniently selective peer review. Standards of evidence exist apart from "arbitrary and conveniently selective peer review." Evidence can be abused, of course, as it is every day in the writings and imaginings of, for example, conspiracy theorists. But if standards of evidence did not apply, even if imperfectly, to the advancement of human knowledge, we'd still be dwelling in caves. >>>>Such is the price we pay for free expression. >>>Your tone suggests that it is a price _you_ don't want to pay. >>To the contrary, it is a price I am happy to pay. >Inexplicably, I remain unconvinced! I rest my case. See above for a definition of the sort of paranoia. you've just exhibited yet again. >>The >>alternative, a tyranny ruled by believers in conspiracy theories >>(as, for example, Stalin, Hitler, and Milosevic [all of whom, by >>the way, have their admirers among today's conspiracy >>theorists]), is infinitely worse. >This is a blythful leap to the deep end of the absurd pool, and >even more hilarious given that these men all legislated (or >continue to legislate) the "rationality" of their citizens. I'm afraid you know rather more about the "deep end of the absurd pool" than I do. Stalin, Hitler, and Milosevic were themselves conspiracy theorists and are worshipped by many conspiracy theorists now. >>Anyway, in the end good ideas drive out bad ones, which is why, >>in free societies like ours, conspiracy theories are well out >>there on the fringes. >When you hide _any_ of the ideas, you are hiding ALL of the >ideas. *Good* ones drive out *bad* ones _only_ when they get the >same amount of bright light. And God knows that conspiracy theories are always crawling out from under the rocks that are their natural habitat and slithering into the bright light. Sad to say, our society is awash in all sorts of (often self-contradictory and inherently illogical) conspiracy theories. Sometimes the consequences are horrendous, as in Oklahoma City -- which, both depressingly and amusingly, has itself spawned a whole new generation of conspiracy lunacy. To the conspiracist, everything that happens is somebody else's fault, including the violence and tyranny that are the inevitable consequences of life in a world of paranoid delusion. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: steve neill <neill@gte.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:35:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:57:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >From: Stephen G. Bassett <SGBList2@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:41:23 EDT >Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >To: updates@globalserve.net >To: Steve Neill >Steve, >This is not the time for intelligent, productive contributors to >the process of disclosure and understanding to withdraw. Things >are just getting interesting. Surely you must know that as we >get closer to the finish line the level of resistance, at least >for a time would, increase. There have been casualties, but >never in history has an event of this magnitude taken place >without them. >Instead of throwing up your hands, look to some of the concrete >activities that are ongoing. Support Gersten/CAUS's effort at >forcing the government into court in three separate cases. >Support the State Ballot Initiative that MUFON recently endorsed >and has the potential to place the UFO/ET phenomena question and >the Congressional hearing demand directly in front of as many as >100 million citizens in the 2000 election. Access your contacts >in Hollywood to see if one or more of the very successful >entertainers are willing to make history and put a modest few >hundred thousand dollars into the political initiatives. That >little bit of money could completely turn the tables. >Help the Paradigm Research Group engage the political media. >Many are very close to taking on this issue as a true news >investigation and not infotainment. >Remember, what you see on the Internet and within the domain >(now JF has me using this) of the research field is still only >the activity of a few. This phenomena and its implications will >effect billions, most of whom having no idea what is coming at >them. >Now is not the time to condemn the cloistered world of ufology, >but rather to hold your ground and start speaking to the larger >world. And that cannot be done without utilizing the work >product and efforts of the UFO/ET phenomena research community >with all its flaws. These people have done the best they >could under difficult circumstances with virtually no cultural >support. >Disclosure is close at hand. We need people like you more than ever. Full disclosure in my opinion would be a disaster. But I do thank you for your kind comments. 99% of all the mail I get is in full support though and I will be posting all the mail soon for all to see.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 23 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:20:36 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:51:44 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >>Subj: UFO UpDate: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) >>Subject: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>For 20 years arguments raged. Were they caused by >>circular winds? Or were mysterious forces at work? >>The obvious solution was human hoax. But if so, how? >>In 1992, two Southampton men, Doug Bower and >>Dave Chorley, confessed to making corn circles: >>every summer night for 20 years. Their method was >>simple: rakes and planks of wood to bash down the >>crop, ropes to guide them to a perfect >>circle, loops of wire on hats to guide straight lines. ><snip> >>'First theories were circular winds, mini-cyclones >>or "dust-devils=EE [tiny tornadoes], says Montague >>Keen, scientific adviser to the Centre for Crop-Circle >>Studies for three years. 'A meteorologist devised >>a theory of "plasma vortexes," spiralling winds of >>electrically-charged air.' >>Ball lightning was another possibility - again circular, >>again involving powerful and little-understood >>forces of electricity. >I have never been much interested in crop circles and the wild >speculation by those who study them. I am puzzled why they would >be considered extraterrestrial in the first place. >When the two old geezers confessed to making them as a prank, I >figured that was the end of it. Did anyone else see the >televised competition inviting teams to construct crop circles >overnight with only rudimentary equipment? I thought it was >pretty convincing. >But a remark I read in passing has caused me to rethink the >possibility that the phenomenon could be a real one, especially >with the report of circles of discolored conifer forests in >Canada, which might be a related phenomenon. >Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >by charged-particle beams from satellites? >It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing >how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could Particle beams contain energy which (ignorant as I am) should damage the target as well as create a pressure against which the plants will bend... Seems to me the technologies involved here are physics, chemistry and plant biology... getting these sciences together to study something quite benign appears difficult, imagine something as malignant as "crop Circles!?" I doubt it. And so another mystery continues the saga(s). Dr. Gesundt
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:08 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:20:12 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:58:59 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net >I think a few have theorised over this and space based microwave >weapons, but why over complicate crop circles? You've seen how >easily they can be created by humans, and no-one's ever seen >them made by other means. Indeed, that topic had a run here a few months ago. Interesting debate about what can and can't be done from space. However, as I've pointed out before, the phenomenon has a myriad of aspects that goes far beyond the designs, for anyone willing to look past the media for their information, such as to the actual folks doing the research, and the various books and articles they've published. The list of bizarre effects to the plants and the immediate environment is extensive, and is deserving of study and debate, not out of hand dismissal as the work of hoaxers. I submit you are ignorant of these effects, or intentionally excluded them from your post.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: StrmNut@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:21:05 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:22:17 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:23:05 -0400 >From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net >Meanwhile, I have my severe doubts about the way a special kind >of money rules the world. Joachim, Your point is taken, but there isn't a thing we can do about it. >Once you've been there,you don't need any of our sciences to >understand, the Phenomenon is there for mankind, for each of us >as a pure being, to become aware of the spirit that is within >all of us. The Phenomenon is a reminder for all of us to sit >back, to stop for a moment, to look around and to start to think >about who we are, where we are, where we do come from and where >we might go. I will grant that the phenomenon seems to speak to us on some subconscious level. When I look at the formations, what comes to mind is a feeling of deja vu. However, I think you're getting a little too much out of it. You may be suffering from Coke-Bottleitis...an affliction found in the movie "The Gods Must be Crazy". Sorry, but these things are made by some physical process that I don't understand, and I want to know what that is. Understand that not all of us are ready to bow to every wierd phenomenon. I don't need or want spiritual guidance from wheat. I just want to know who bent it, why, and how. Don't expect me to sit on my laurels because you're content. Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: SETI@home Teams From: Christine Fernandes <pumpkin@netfly.com.br> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:54:45 -0300 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:25:44 -0400 Subject: Re: SETI@home Teams >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:34:47 +0200 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Karel Bagchus <1charles@xs4all.nl> >Subject: SETI@home Teams >I just went over to the SETI@home website, it has a new feature >of teams. Categories are scools/companies/clubs. Instead of >joining an existing team I was wondering whether anybody would be >interested in forming a 'UFO Updates' team. And also, would it >be okay to use that name ? >Best regards, >Karel >[I think its a splendid idea - as long as you key 'UpDates' > correctly --ebk] Chris [*_*] Please let us Know if we can register in 'UpDates' Team at SETI. The idea of making this new team is great indeed. Thanks, Christine (Brazil)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:27:59 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >by charged-particle beams from satellites? >It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing >how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could >control a beam from an altitude of a few hundred miles. >You could compare drawing crop circles from a space platform to >the photolithography so commonly used in constructing integrated >circuits out of semiconducting material. >That would certainly account for the difference in crop circles >in a grain crop and the discolored rings of vegetation in a >conifer forest. BIG problem... for anyone conjecturing about charged particle beams making Agriglyphs...... There are no charged particle beams in space.... at least not on _our_ (made by humans) satellites.... and even if there were they wouldn't be able to penetrate the atmosphere with any power source that would be available in the near future (charged particle beams are "eaten up" by the atmosphere)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:15:23 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:30:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies : >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT >> <snip> >And God knows that conspiracy theories are always crawling out >from under the rocks that are their natural habitat and >slithering into the bright light. Sad to say, our society is >awash in all sorts of (often self-contradictory and inherently >illogical) conspiracy theories. Sometimes the consequences are >horrendous, as in Oklahoma City -- which, both depressingly and >amusingly, has itself spawned a whole new generation of >conspiracy lunacy. To the conspiracist, everything that happens >is somebody else's fault, including the violence and tyranny >that are the inevitable consequences of life in a world of >paranoid delusion. Jerry, I've been following this thread for the last few miles. I'm trying to figure out where I would fit into this debate, or on whose side (if any). Do you believe governments are covering up information about UFOs? I do. Does that make me paranoid, or a conspiricy theorist? If I worry more about it, does that qualify me for one or both of those titles? If I take a less concerned stance, do I not run the risk of being caught unprepared should all this stuff turn out to be true? Lets examine some hot topics: All over America, government troops are staging mock assaults from helicopters at night, frightening the hell out of civilians. How SHOULD we interpret these events? The military has shown little or no regard for the people they scare. It's all done for training, they say....sorry. Excuse me, but I thought the military already had places set aside for this type of thing. By holding these exercises in civilian areas, they are exposing the populace to undue hazard, particularly in light of the military's recent safety record. They act secretive. They scare people. They don't care. Doesn't this concern you at all? Frankly, it is suggestive to me of an ulterior motive, and I don't think one has to be paraniod to see it. At the very LEAST, it ought to raise serious questions. Remember, the activity I've just described IS occuring...its' reality is not open to debate. Another topic is the contrails. I will confess that this whole thing is out of control. Some people are now suspicious of everything that flies over. It's only a matter of time before bird droppings are suspected of containing biological or chemical agents. But again, I must confess to having noted some unusual activity up there, not consistent with that which I have observed in the past. Some of the pictures I've seen, and stories I've read do sound unusual. By the same token, my father is all but hysterical over this subject. I tried to explain to him about moisture content at altitude, and temperature differences, and why one may see no contrails one day, and a plethora the next. He won't hear of it, and looks insulted. So, is he paranoid for believing it completely? Am I, for placing any stock in it at all? There seems to be something to it, but that's the extent of my opinion. Where do I draw the line? Where do you? Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:36:50 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:32:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >From: Stephen G. Bassett <SGBList2@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:41:23 EDT >Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >To: updates@globalserve.net >> >This is not the time for intelligent, productive contributors to >the process of disclosure and understanding to withdraw. Things >are just getting interesting. Surely you must know that as we >get closer to the finish line the level of resistance, at least >for a time would, increase. There have been casualties, but >never in history has an event of this magnitude taken place >without them. Bravo Steve. I might add that where "casualties" are concerned, I don't know of too many people involved in UFO research who aren't aware of the risks involved. Everyone's been attacked. Most of us have big shoulders, and can handle it. Some of us seem to imbibe a tad to soften the blows, but they're still here, I notice. We're all here by choice, and while it's nice to have someone concerned about everyone else, almost to the point of martyrdom, it's pretty much unnecessary. We can take it. As for innocent providers of information getting heat, that's a risk I'm sure they contemplated as well. If not, we just have to do our best to comfort these victims of "collateral damage", and let them know that their contributions are greatly appreciated by the vast majority of us.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 'Airport for UFOs' Looks For Signals From Hidden From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:05:48 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:35:05 -0400 Subject: 'Airport for UFOs' Looks For Signals From Hidden Source: Oregon Live, http://www.oregonlive.com/news/99/05/st052301.html Stig *** Signals from a hidden universe A strange new machine is taking shape on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, and scientists think it may show us something never seen before Sunday, May 23, 1999 By James Long of The Oregonian staff ** Passengers on commuter flights to and from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation can peer out the window and wonder what that thing is down there. Stretched out on the mottled desert is a thin letter "L" that goes on for miles, its lines so unnaturally straight that they seem to float off the ground. "An airport for UFOs," goes the joke. The lines meet at an angular building a quarter-mile off an empty highway. The remote road is reputed to be Route 10, a Hanford thoroughfare unmarked on any map, a reminder of Cold War secrecy. The L-shape, the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory, or Ligo, runs through the sagebrush to the north. Ligo is a new kind of astronomical observatory, a $371 million National Science Foundation gamble that should be finished next year after more than a decade in development. Unlike astronomical observatories that collect starlight or radio signals, Ligo will hunt for ripples in space-time caused by collisions of black holes and the collapses of stars -- ripples that would be among the faintest and rarest signals in the universe. Ligo, in other words, will look for gravity waves. The endgame is not so much about finding the waves themselves as it is to use them as a tool. They may reveal secrets about parts of the universe that have never been observed, and those secrets, in turn, could start a revolution in physics and astronomy. But like a medieval cathedral, Ligo is being built more on faith than absolute certainty. Nobody can say absolutely that gravity waves even exist. * Tumbleweeds hop through the parking lot and slam into the building. They have, says Fred Raab, a Caltech experimental physicist and former New York cab driver, ripped lightning rods off Ligo and enmeshed four-wheel-drive vehicles so thoroughly they couldn't move. A year ago, Raab had to consider whether weeds piling against the building added enough wind resistance to move the walls a few atom-widths. He decided they didn't, but he hired a contractor to run them down and bale them up, just the same. Tumbleweeds were one of those things that get serious attention at Ligo, where the search for gravity waves will require measuring things far smaller than an atom. Raab is one of about 100 Caltech and Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientists betting their reputations on Ligo. Next year, when he throws a switch to send a pure laser light bouncing down a 2.5-mile tunnel to calibrate equipment, he won't be sure he will ever see a gravity wave. But he suspects he will see his professional career flash before his eyes. Although most physicists believe gravity waves are real, years -- even decades -- could elapse before a gravity wave passes through Ligo, which might leave scientists with little to do but twiddle the control knobs and dodder into old age. Success would tie a ribbon on Einstein's general theory of relativity, a cornerstone of modern science. The names of Raab and his colleagues would be linked forever with Einstein's. A Nobel Prize would not be impossible. But if Ligo falls on its face . . . Raab shrugs and grins. As a half-humorous reminder of his predicament, he keeps his 1974 New York cabby license tacked to the door of his cluttered office at Hanford. * Raab's a big guy, more than 6 feet tall, about 250. His office is a pile-o-rama of papers, blueprints and technical reports. He rummages on a shelf behind his desk and pulls out a small working model of an interferometer, a cousin to the gravity-wave detector being assembled in clean-room conditions a few hundred feet away. He starts fiddling with it. Under some papers he finds a wooden clothespin to hold down the "on" button of a laser pointer that makes the toy work. Raab grew up in New York City, the youngest of three children born to immigrant parents. His dad worked at the A&P. Raab drove a cab to help put himself through Manhattan College. He got his Ph.D. in molecular physics at the State University of New York at Stony Brook. During his first job as a University of Washington postdoctoral fellow, he discovered how good he was at building instruments that measured really, really small things. "I was thrilled with what you could learn if you could build a sufficiently precise experimental apparatus," Raab says. "I felt that nature would make its secrets known if you could really observe at a sufficiently sensitive level." In 1988, he went to Caltech and, because of his expertise in instrumentation, was later recruited to head the Ligo project at Hanford. * The small interferometer is about the size of a checkerboard. Raab clears a place on a table and puts it there. It's an oddly archaic piece of equipment. Albert Michelson invented the light interferometer in 1880. The instrument worked by shining a light beam into a slanted piece of glass that was half-mirror and half-clear. The half-mirror split the beam -- half went through the clear glass and the other half glanced off the silvered part. So two beams with identical wavelengths went off in different directions. The clonelike beams then hit separate mirrors and bounced back to converge through a lens. The lens projected the reassembled beam like a movie, to show whether the light waves were still in sync. Light is fast, but it travels at a finite speed. So the slightest difference in distance between the mirrors would cause the two beams to arrive at the lens at slightly -- very slightly -- different times. Any mismatch in the waves as they arrived would show up as a wiggly "interference pattern." Michelson used a later version of the device to measure the speed of light. And in 1907 he became the first American to receive the Nobel Prize in physics. * The bigger the interferometer, the more sensitive. So the observatory Ligo is building at Hanford will be 100 times bigger than the biggest ever built. And it will be millions of times more sensitive. An identical Ligo observatory is rising near Livingston, La. The machines will be measuring phenomena so small that they could easily get them wrong. One observatory will check the results of the other. The challenge lies in the nature of gravity itself. A gravity wave is not gravity, exactly. Gravity is like the dent that a duck makes in water by sitting in it. Gravity waves are like the ripples that fan out when the duck hits the pond or starts paddling across it. Scientists believe that a measurable gravity wave is created by only the biggest cataclysms in space, such as collisions of black holes or neutron stars. But such things happen only a few times a year. Ligo probably will detect only the strongest waves of the final minute or so of a cataclysm. "You're typically looking at the last moment of something that's going to destroy itself," says Raab. "So you can't go back and look again." A death-rattle of 15 to 30 seconds might be typical. The wave may travel 100 million light years before reaching Ligo, making it exceedingly faint. To detect a gravity wave, Ligo will keep watch on a continuous laser beam. Ligo will split the beam, sending half toward a mirror at the end of a long arm and half toward another mirror on another arm. The principle is the same one Michelson used with his beam of light. According to Einstein's theory, if a gravity wave arrives, it should shorten one 2=BD-mile arm while lengthening the other. That will produce a telltale interference pattern in the light created when the two laser beams end their journey and merge. Raab uses a telephone cord to tug slightly on one of the mirrors on the tabletop interferometer, simulating how a gravity wave will make itself known. "If it were that simple," Raab says. He leads the way down a concrete corridor to where the real interferometer is taking shape. The route leads past a shoe-brushing machine and over sticky plastic sheets taped to the floor that slurp dust from shoes. Then comes a station for donning cloth booties. A door sighs open to the room containing the beam-splitter, the rush of air a reminder that the room is slightly pressurized to repel contaminants. This is where laser beams as thick as fire hoses will start down Ligo's long arms. At the ends are the crucial mirrors that will shift their position, Raab hopes, in response to a gravity wave. But can the movement be measured? The interferometer on Raab's desk is sensitive enough to detect changes as small as one ten-millionth of an inch. But a gravity wave, if Einstein is right, will distort Ligo's mirrors by less than a tenth of a trillionth of the width of a human hair. "What this means," says Raab, "is that we need to measure changes on the order of one part in 10 to the 21st. Let me tell you what one part in 10 to the 21st is. If you have the Earth and Alpha Centauri, and you move Alpha Centauri away by one hair width, that's a part in 10 to the 21st. We don't have rulers that can measure that very well." To put that in perspective, consider the fact that it would take 70,000 years for the fastest spacecraft ever built to reach Alpha Centauri, the nearest star other than the sun. Raab will try to create the incredible precision he needs by stretching the laser beams. Instead of bouncing a beam off a mirror just once, Ligo scientists hope to bounce it back and forth about 100 times. If a gravity wave changes, by a flea's breath, the distance traveled by a beam during one of its bounces, the beam will remember it and add the total to the next bounce. After about 100 such bounces, scientists hope, the signal will pile up like interest in a bank account and become large enough to read. Stretching the beam this much will require a miraculously pure and stable laser, which Ligo is developing. The beam will be invisible infrared and will travel through a vacuum in a steel gun barrel, of sorts, pumped down to a trillionth of an atmosphere. Raab would be happy if his only problem was stretching laser beams. His real bugaboo, he says, is "thermal noise." The jostling of atoms in the measuring instrument itself can create such a ruckus that they swamp whatever signal the instrument is trying to detect. Ligo's 24-pound mirrors, for instance, are among the most perfect ever made, and appear serene as they hang from loops of wire inside vacuum chambers. But appearances are deceiving. The atoms in the wires vibrate and transmit that movement to the mirrors. The mirror surfaces themselves, although smooth to the eye, are tossing seas of atoms. "And how much does a typical atom in that mirror move?" Raab throws up his hands. "The answer is roughly 10 million times more than the amount of the signal that you're trying to look for." To detect a tiny note of gravity in an anvil-chorus of atomic noise will require sophisticated computer software that is still being developed. For the observatory to work, computers have to map the atomic noise of Ligo's own instruments, and other stray movements, and learn to distinguish those from the ghostly signature of a gravity wave. * According to Einstein, gravity was not a force in the same sense as electromagnetism, but rather a disturbance that objects caused in the curvature of space and time. Space and time were not separate, Einstein believed, but interwoven. His general theory of relativity showed that an accelerating mass produced a gravitational wave like a stone thrown into a pond. Gravitational waves, he said, did not travel "through" space-time but were ripples in space-time rolling along at the speed of light. Nobody could test Einstein's gravitational-wave theory. But every time someone was able to devise an experiment to test his other outlandish ideas, he proved Einstein correct in excruciating detail. That supported and added detail to the theory, and the theory ultimately led to many of the things 20th-century science has produced to enrich our lives. "One hundred years ago, people were discovering quantum mechanics and special relativity," Raab says, "and out of that came most of 20th-century engineering and science. People actually learned what the chemical bond was, lasers, computers, all the modern technology. But I'll guarantee you that if you could go back and talk to the guys who were doing that work, they never dreamed of any of that stuff." Gravity-wave research is important to theory, too. But nobody knows what the practical results may be. "If you ask me for a practical application for gravity-wave research," says Raab, "I can't think of one. Come back in 100 years and I'll tell you what the practical application was." Ligo's most immediate effect might be a revolution in astronomy, according to Barry Barish, the Caltech scientist in overall charge of the program. "Everything we now know about the universe is through optical or electromagnetic signals. "We know that 95 percent of what's out there doesn't even give optical signals. It's what we call dark matter. Yet it all has mass, and what gives gravitational signals may be quite different from what gives optical signals." * Raab doesn't even want to think about the possibility of failure. "A lot of people have lost a lot of money," he says, "betting against Einstein." So he pushes on, tackling problems as they hit his desk. How much, someone asked, would a laser photon move a mirror by hitting it? Ten to the minus 29th of the width of a proton, he figured. Maybe. Don't worry about it. But other problems were more significant. Some engineers pumped the beam-splitter chamber down to a vacuum for the first time, and the process made the pipes shrink and pull on the bolts attaching them to the floor, causing the floor to curl. And when the sun rose, it heated one wall more than another and warped the whole building. That had to be factored with the Earth tides that caused Ligo's 2=BD-mile laser arms to go up and down like seesaws -- except that they moved only a third of a millimeter. The solution, in both cases, was to program analytical computers to adjust for those movements. Raab walks outside, late one afternoon, onto a small bridge that spans one of the laser tunnels. He shields his eyes and listens to a lark's song. "Isn't that fantastic?" Yes, he says, he did a lot of thinking before he left his comfortable campus job and signed on with Ligo. "I was thinking to myself, you know, what you're doing is putting your career on the line. I knew it, and I wondered about it. You think about what happens to the family if this doesn't work out. But it's this grand challenge, like going to the moon. I was convinced that in my lifetime mankind would move into space-time. And I didn't want to read about it in the newspapers." James Long can be reached at 503-221-4351 or by e-mail at jimlong@news.oregonian.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:36:06 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:48:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:16:18 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>To: Updates@globalserve.net >>Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. >Hail fellow mote and UpDate neuron! >>I initially posted >>my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the >>Elders of Zion" on his list. I sincerely thank all those who >>supported my view. >And where is the thanks for those that did _not_ support your >view -- a contingent providing existence (to me) for more >fallacious bricks in the wall of an ignorant anti-Semitism, >ubiquitous conspiracy, and the mechanism of censorship that >would hide these things -- _plus_ UFOs? Widen your view Josh! Wait...wait....I'm not sure I believe what I'm reading. Are you seriously saying that there's a "mechanism of censorship" that hides facts about anti-semitism? And that Jeff Rense somehow defeated these censors by telling the world about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion?" The "Protocols" are extremely well known. No censor has hidden their existence. As I noted a while ago on UpDates, I found an entry on them in the first reference book I opened when I went to look up their history. As for Jeff Rense, he appears not to have known what the "Protocols" were when he linked to them from his website. Does anyone remember his first post in response to Josh Goldstein? This was his first public comment on the "Protocols" -- and he by no means acknowledged that they're an anti-semitic forgery. Instead, he said they needed further investigation. Which means he didn't know that they'd been investigated generations ago. He wasn't fighting censorship to bring us important information about anti-semitism. He just made a mistake, and linked to anti-semitic trash without knowing what it was. Now we're getting this retroactive gloss, when we're asked to believe that Rense has done us all a great educational favor, and that his motive all along was to expose the anti-semitic horror. No way. But returning to the idea that "censors" have stopped people from knowing about the "Protocols" -- what a way to run a conspiracy! I can just see the conspiracy bosses handing down a command: "Information about the 'Protocols' must be printed in the Columbia Encyclopedia, which is available in libraries, and at every major bookstore. But under no circumstances may it appear on Rense's website!" Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team From: Karel <1charles@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:36:41 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:49:20 -0400 Subject: SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team Hi ! We now have our own 'UFO UpDates' team at SETI@home. Joining the team is easy, just point your webbrowser to: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=1802 I'll see if I can get a team webpage up when time permits. For now you can look at the stats at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_show&id=1802 since the "Find Team" link appears to be broken at the moment. Fast performance tips: I have the SETI@home software running on 2 PC's and occasionally on 1 laptop. The one PC is a peltier-cooled overclocked Pentium 200 (now 225) and when my T-Rex heatsink + 2 peltier elements come in I'm going to overclock my Pentium II 333 (now running at 375 Mhz) up to 500 Mhz. So if anybody would be interested in how to build a peltier-cooler & overclocking, mail me privately. If you have a Pentium PC or faster, you probably want to set the SETI@home preferences to "Data analysis always runs" so that you have it running as a background task all the time. Drawing the graphics takes a lot of time, and you're not going to look at it when you're away from your PC. For Windows users: go to the "Display Properties -> Screen Saver" tab, click on settings, mark "Go to blank screen" and set "Minutes after blank" to 1. Close all programs that don't really matter and just waste CPU cycles. Give the program a higher process priority: Windows 95/98 users can download TaskInfo98 from http://www.iarsn.com and set SETI@home's priority to high (or maybe realtime, but watch out, it really starves other processes and your PC won't respond within 15 minutes to keyboard or mouse input)). Windows NT users click on the taskbar, select "Task Manager" from the menu, rightclick on SETI@home to see the "Set Priority" menu. Mac users can download PeeKaBoo at http://www.clarkwoodsoftware.com/peekaboo/pab14.sit and set SETI@home's priority to high. That's all for now, happy hunting :=) Karel. -------------------------====#### Class Logic ####====--------------------- Software Development Microsoft Certified Professional Karel Bagchus mailto:H.Bagchus@cable.a2000.nl Transvaalstraat 15 / 3-hoog 1092 HA Amsterdam the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0)20 - 77 01 642 GSM: 06 - 22 987 327 -------------------------====###################====---------------------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 UK Sightings From: Jerry Anderson <jerry@uforesearch.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:50:37 -0400 Subject: UK Sightings Dear List, I have a complete list of all UFO sightings reported to the MoD between 3rd Jan 1998 to 10th May 1999. They may be found at: http://roswell.fortunecity.com/aroma/294/index2.htm Under the heading: MoD Sightings in the UK........ Jerry Anderson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: AURORA 1897 From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:13:08 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:53:43 -0400 Subject: Re: AURORA 1897 >From: Richard D. Nolane <raynaud@total.net> >To: <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: AURORA 1897 >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:04:56 -0500 >Dear List members, >I'm very interested by the "pre-arnoldian" UFO history (I have >published a book in France about it : "Autrefois les OVNI : >trente si=E8cles de t=E9moignages" (1998)) and I was thinking that >the famous 1897 "Aurora, Texas Crash" was nothing more than an >hoax. And you would be absolutely right. The Aurora Crash was nothing more than a hoax. >But I found in Jim Marrs' "Alien Agenda" some new info about >that case which seems a little disturbing and which throws a new >light on the Aurora story. Jim Marrs have found and interviewed >at the beginning of the seventies one witness present in 1897, a >man named Charlie C. Stephens, who stated that the story of the >crash was true. This contradicts the affirmation that all the >very few witness found by modern researchers said that it was an >hoax. I too went to Aurora in the early 1970s, when I lived in Texas. I spoke to members of the Wise County Historical Society (Aurora being in Wise County) who said that they had inquiries about the crash but they had no evidence that it had happened. They wished it had because it was an interesting story. I talked to long time residents of the area who said that it never happened. I found no one, at that time, who could, or would confirm the story. I did take pictures of the area. >And another part of the story seems now less clear than before: >the "alien pilot" grave. Jim Marrs writes that he saw the broken >headstone before it was stolen and that some strange engravings >were on it. He writes too that at least one of the metal >fragments found in the grave presented very unusual properties >detected by Dr. Tom Gray of University of North Texas, a part of >the story, of course, "forgotten" by Philip "Desinformation Is >My Business" Klass and other profes- sional debunkers. And Jim >Maars writes that "The grave was not full-size. It was obviously >the grave of a child or very small man." >The broken headstone and, it seems, more metal fragments were >stolen in 1973 by unknown persons. But is a legal action really >impossible to be taken to seek an exhumation ? To find if the >skeleton in the grave is human or not ? The stolen headstone story was invented to explain why the headstone is no longer there. When I was there, prior to the headstone being stolen, I searched the grave yard but found no strange headstone. I photographed the graveyard and there is nothing on the photographs to suggest there had ever been a strange headstone. In fact, if we check, we learn that the local authorities, such as T.J. Weems of the Army Signal Corps (in turn of the century America read that as "intelligence) was, in fact, the local blacksmith. He was not an Army officer. We learn that H.E. Hayden, the man who reported the story to the Dallas Morning News later claimed that he had invented the tale to put his dying community on the map. The railroad had bypassed the town and an epidemic had killed a number of the residents. This was a time when there were many Great Airship stories being reported by the newspapers. One of the most famous was the Alexander Hamilton "calfnapping," reported by so many as if it were true. Jerry Clark, among others, has shown this story to be a hoax. Aurora isn't the only location where the Airship crashed, just the most famous. Many of the stories involved foreign (as opposed to alien) scientists who are experimenting with airships. Some are on their way to Cuba to bomb the Spanish. The point here, however, is that the Aurora story is a hoax. There is no evidence to suggest that it wasn't. Every few years we have to go through this all again. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 5/24: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN From: Diana Botsford <Diana_Botsford@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:03:48 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:57:11 -0400 Subject: 5/24: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN The UFO Community on MSN is available at http://communities.msn.com/ufo/. All chats are accessible by using either our built in chat page, MS Chat or any IRC client. The chat server name is irc.msn.com and the channel/room name is #briefing. ======================================== ***Organizational Chat UFO Community on MSN's World Wide Watch Join us on this Tuesday at 6pm, PT and get involved: World Wide Watch June 26th, 1999 Start Time: 8pm - YOUR local time End Time: 11pm, Hawaii, USA Time Tuesday, May 25: The UFO Community will meet in the Briefing Room along with several organizations to begin plans on an international night of UFO Sky watching. Join us, all of us, in coordinating this extraordinary event in hopes of obtaining data for researchers around the globe. Several chapters of MUFON and Skywatch have already committed to this attempt. If we are to find the truth, it is ONLY by working together. And yes, we can each make a difference. Join us on Tuesday 6pm, PT for this special chat at http://communities.msn.com/ufo. ======================================== ***SETI@home Can We Make a Difference? Understaffed and underpaid. And certainly not to be trusted. Or at least that's what some suggest. Can computer users really rescue SETI? A commentary on the SETI/UFO relationship. Tell us what you think. ======================================== ***The Screening Room Reviews SETI@home Interested in the software? Read Bill Stockstill's review at http://communities.msn.com/ufo. ======================================== ***UK Researcher Nick Redfern Report on UFO Breakthrough in Great Britain The Official Secrets Act and the Joint Intelligence Committee ======================================== ***World Wide Watch Can't make the chat? Here's the details: Join the UFO Community on MSN for an all night, world round sighting expedition. From Australia to Atlanta, Georgia . . . From Glasgow to Japan, UFO organizations and individuals will join us in searching the skies throughout the globe for UFOs. The UFO Community's chat room, #briefing on the MSN chat servers, will be kept open for a 24 hour period where regional coordinators will receive sightings reports from any and all observers. This information will be made instantly available on a public newsgroup created solely for this event. Upon completion of the event, a database of the reports will be generated and presented to any and all organizations and interested parties. This is an opportunity for all those interested in the phenomenon to participate in developing information for researchers around the globe in their pursuit of the truth regarding Ufology. It is a chance to cross boundaries between countries, attitudes and beliefs and simply join in a fact finding mission that will aid all involved. We encourage all organizations and individuals to join us as regional coordinators, phone tree organizers and chat room participants in this endeavor. Beginning June 15th, the UFO Community will have a new newsgroup located at news://msnnews.msn.com/msn.forums.ufo.wwwatch where you can register your team and be assigned an online partner to share your sightings with the chat room and the international UFO Community. Don't forget your cell phone to join the phone tree of region coordinators who will be passing on sightings reports throughout the night in our chat room. And for the really hi tech crew, we remind you to not forget your wireless laptop so you can join the all night chat! 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 HOT GOSSIP UK May '99 From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:13:17 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:01:24 -0400 Subject: HOT GOSSIP UK May '99 Apologies for the delay this month........... HOT GOSSIP UK - THE REAL X-FILES MILAB - The Book. Photo: Dr Helmut and Marion Lammer Photo by Schmick -Graz, Austria Several weeks ago I received an interesting manuscript entitled MILAB. The authors, Dr Helmut Lammer and Marion Lammer, believe that serious crimes are being perpetrated by certain covert military agencies involving "alien type" abductions allegedly being carried out on humans. Dr Lammer, a Ph.D known for his work within the Space Research Institute in Austria, created "Project MILAB" in order to investigate these crimes. The Lammer's have taken on a study in an area of Ufology which is often ignored by researchers. Their new publication is well presented, and although it may not be everyone's belief that "alien type" abductions are being carried out by, or aided by our own military machine's, the book is a must for all UFO researchers bookshelves. MILAB, being the acronym for "Military Abductions of Alleged UFO Abductees", is a compilation of cases that are both shocking and extremely disturbing, and are not recommended bedtime reading. The authors back up their claims by offering declassified CIA documents relating to mind control experiments, an area we are all too familiar with. Bearing in mind that in most countries, kidnapping/abduction, is a capital offence, these cases should not go ignored if we are ever to get close to understanding what is going on. MILAB reads like a ten part series for the X Files adventures. "Black Ops", black helicopters, underground bases, implants, mind control and abductees being drugged and examined by military doctors dressed in white lab coats - is just a taster of what you will find in this publication. But this, we are told, is not science fiction! It is refreshing that MILAB is not an ego publication to promote the authors, inasmuch as it offers well earned credit to those whose research and experiences have contributed to making this an excellent read. Notables in the field of abduction research, such as Dr Mack, David Jacobs, Bud Hopkins and numerous others are brought into the fold and their theories examined, as are the victims of these so called abduction scenarios. The book also covers the MKULTRA experiments, including its offshoots, and as aforementioned,the Lammer's have included ample information for researchersinterested in delving further into this highly complex area of contemporary abduction. The Lammer's dedicated research in this field, is, in my opinion, an important contribution to ufology. MILAB IlluminNet Press Forword by Richard Sauder Ph.D For ordering information: http://www.illuminetpress.com http://www.illuminetpress.com/ordering.html ___________________________________________________________ Britain's Most Famous Ufologist Hits the Media Yet Again! In recent months, Nick Pope has been accused, amongst other things, of being a media tart. Excuse me, that was my nickname for the star of stage, screen and press exposure! Over lunch recently with our mutual literary agent, I was asked if I was doing his publicity because he certainly has been in the limelight these past few years. "No, I have had nothing to do with it." I said. "All I do is post his Hot Gossip column to researchers on the Internet because he is not yet on-line." As a trained publicist/PR myself, I have to salute Nick for being so popular with the media, but then he did do media training with the Ministry of Defence. I suppose you can't get better than that. After all, their standard line for damage control: "It is of no defence interest" has certainly stood the test of time. The May/June edition of UFO Magazine is out now, and I was interested to see that Nick is featured in a number of articles, as well as having his picture on the front cover. In fact, aside from this, I counted eight other photographs of him in various articles in the magazine. He was somewhat amused at this, especially as one of the articles specifically deals with accusations that he's becoming too much of a media tart! This main feature concerns Nick's response to some of the criticisms that have been levelled against him by a small group of conspiracy theorists who doubt his word simply because he works for the Government. It's a feature that's bound to upset some people, but Nick's never been one to walk away from criticism, and his bullish response is certain to provoke further debate. Whatever you think about Nick Pope, his media popularity has contributed to bringing Ufology into a more positive forum. My own contacts in the media tell me how refreshing it is to deal with an individual who can at least be taken seriously. That's a great bonus, after all, we know how powerful the media are, and whether it's Nick Pope or anyone else for that matter, the very fact that the media in general are paying attention to this subject, is, in my opinion, a great leap forward! ___________________________________________________________ Announcement I regret to announce that this may be my last issue of the UFO section until November. However, Nick Pope will still be writing his popular column. The reason for my temporary departure is due to a deadline I must meet in finishing my book on the "Rendlesham Forest Incident", which is being published next year by Sidgwick & Jackson - Macmillan. For those of you who are not familiar with the case, it concerns a series of unusual events that took place in rural England in December 1980. The case, which has often been referred to as "Britain's Roswell", involved USAF personnel stationed at the twin British bases of RAF Bentwaters and Woodbridge. The title of the book, for the time being at least, remains a closely guarded secret. I'll keep you updated Thank you for reading my column for Hot Gossip UK. Please note, I will still be editor of the magazine. Georgina Bruni - Editor in Chief Hot Gossip UK & check out Bruni's Column ufocity.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * E-mail: georgina@easynet.co.uk E-mail: 104707.336@compuserve.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * HOT GOSSIP UK www.hotgossip.co.uk Celebrating three years on the World Wide Web Britain's first on-line Gossip Magazine * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: SETI@home Teams From: Tinus de Beer <mufon-sa@icon.co.za> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:42:32 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:03:29 -0400 Subject: Re: SETI@home Teams >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:34:47 +0200 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Karel Bagchus <1charles@xs4all.nl> >Subject: SETI@home Teams >Hi, >I just went over to the SETI@home website, it has a new feature >of teams. Categories are scools/companies/clubs. Instead of >joining an existing team I was wondering whether anybody would be >interested in forming a 'UFO Updates' team. And also, would it >be okay to use that name ? >Best regards, >Karel Count me in. Just tell me when I can join the team. I'm running this thing on 3 computers, busy with units 5,6 and 7. Regards Tinus de Beer
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:02:46 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies Hello Everyone ... the nature of this post is a bit different for this member. That'd be me. Off line, that is, off this list, I communicate with hundreds of folks, many in the Ufology field, many in the technologies and many who are just in the business of debating. And most of these are list members of Updates. And so off line there is a tremendous amount of dialog which goes back and forth regarding the opinions posted to Updates. The recent rantings of some has been interesting but mostly revealing. That which has been revealed is the vile nature of some folks. "Vile ?" Yes. "Vile." Because of a culpable misinterpretation of what news is, what journalism is and worse, what a man should and should not post on his site. Please, don't start on me yet. Read first, then start on me. OK? I agree that the message contained in _some_ of the articles Rense posts to his site are not in consort with the human condition but rather, the animal one which is within each of us. I recall the words in a song which Neil Young wrote in "Needle and the Damage Done." He said, of the need for the soporific of the (his) heroin experience, "A little part of it in everyone." Indeed. And more so it seems, for experiencers. Same for our animal nature, at least in my opinion. Some have written to me to say that Jeff Rense's postings (some of them) are "Bad for Ufology." But Jeff Rense's site and programs are not "For Ufology!" The site and radio program are for any and all subjects which are of a controversial nature. These include NWO, UFOs, Ghosts and goblins and etc., etc. Jeff has posted thousands of articles by journalist contributors around the world and around the subjects above and many more. Are these not journalists because they disagree with both one man's opinion and the human morality? Let's ask the same question another way. Let's say you are a believer in the abduction experience. Jeff Rense posts three articles on his site which are against and fourteen for, the abduction experience. And so to you, a believer, Jeff Rense is a hair ball, but to your antagonist, he is a hero. Get the point? Just an example. Don't go telling me he wouldn't do that. Besides, if you go thru the archives, you will find that he does... Some have written me to say that Jeff Rense "has a responsibility to show both sides." Huh? Whassamatta wit yous? Aint got no brains to cypher this out fer yerself? Then don't read. Burn your books. You "SIRS" are dangerous. More so than the idiot who wants to kill Jews, Serbs or all Eskimos ... or even my brother in law... And _everyone_ knows about them damned Eskinos, most expecially during them Eskino religious holidays. Can't get any place for the traffic. Bastards! A good, kind and decent man I know, an experiencer, said, "Rense wants it both ways...a "search for the truth" and political editorial." Gosh and golly. How else does one search for truth? Does one disregard the evil because the good is more popular? It is written, (somewhere) that man cannot recognize or appreciate good were it not for evil; that man could not appreciate joy, were it not for sadness ... etc. See both sides? And if perchance, one side is so damnably obviously evil, then take it for what it's worth. Neither Rense nor ANYONE else has the responsibility to show both sides when it is obvious as to which side is being represented. Neither does anyone have the bandwidth! But this good and kind man is different from the protagonists I've read on UpDates. He is against evil. The protagonists seem to be against information by virtue of the fact that it is evil. And so I love the good man but do not appreciate the protagonist. To me there is a major difference. The difference is by virtue of the direction one comes from as against the other. Jeff's site is much like a smorgasbord, a vast forum of material from all ends of the spectrum. And I presume that he trusts his readers and listeners to be intelligent and discriminating. (In JR's words, more or less... I read that somewhere). While I value the contributions of people like Clark, Sandow and other of the protagonists, I do not value the idea of suppressing information. While I agree that there is evil in the world and try very hard to shun it, I understand that there are times when it must be confronted and fought. To engage in battle, any enemy, one must understand the enemy. You guys are supposed to be journalists, and yet all I hear on the subject of Rense's articles are suppression. Hide the truth along with the lies, even where the truth is, there are lies. What for me is a prime example of this type of thinking is the most recent Rosie O'Donnell bull dingy ... there was to have been a play, a presentation of "Annie get your Gun" somewhere or other. Rosie objected to a song in that musical classic which contained a phrase something like, "You can kill a partridge with a single cartridge." She didn't like that. So the company decided to cut the song from the play. Gun crap again.... Puhleese Rosie, another Moral Majority on TV will get me to turn that off switch faster than it happens by itself. Yup, I do have trouble with electronics, and I am an engineer. Which is why I switched to fresh wine. So let's all make believe there are no Nazis, no Serbs, no guns, no UFO's, no evil and no bad stuff. Then with your kids armed with all that goodness, send them out into the world and see how long they'll last. Try 125th street and 2nd Avenue as the first sojourn. Or perhaps you should nurture them, love them and teach them about good and evil. There is, in our culture, a deep chasm between the bleeding hearts and the intellectuals. The problem is not _that_ however. The problem is that some of the bleeding hearts believe themselves to be intellectuals. God give us strength. Or more Gripple! Jim Mortellaro
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 The Millennium Project News - May 24, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:18:13 -0800 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:26:41 -0400 Subject: The Millennium Project News - May 24, 1999 The Millennium Project News News and Updates from The Millennium Project May 24, 1999 _____________________________ WEEKLY BRIEFING: A number of UFO and crop circle-related updates this week including a very noteworthy UFO article in the current issue of Reader's Digest and a report on UFOs and the Official Secrets Act from Nick Redfern. An intricate 200' "flower" type design with looping "scrolls" and surrounded by over twenty other circles is among the newest of the crop circles found this year, this one at Avebury Trusloe in England, in young green barley found on Sunday morning, May 23. Also on the circle front, billionaire Laurence Rockefeller is providing new funding for continued research into the phenomenon. Meanwhile, a large perfect triangle found carved in a hillside in solid rock has researchers in Croatia baffled. Plus a report on a possible secret AURORA aircraft being photographed. Also, NASA takes photos of the moon with the Hubble space telescope, although up to this point it was always insisted that it was impossible to do that, as the reflected light from the moon was too bright and would damagethe optical equipment if the telescope was aimed too close... On Mars, Hubble snaps photos of a very large cyclone near the north pole. Farther out in the solar system, an astronomer has discovered a new moon orbiting the planet Uranus. And then there's Mike, the Wonder Chicken. An amazing story of how a beheaded chicken managed to live for 4 1/2 years with no head... In Special Research Projects, how scam artists are taking advantage of Y2K, and updates on the mystery contrails (or chemtrails), with new reports from myself here in Vancouver and the US. I and others here witnessed the most "blatant" display of these here yet, on May 21, with a number of very large parallel contrails and bold Xs over Vancouver. Full report on the web site. Whether these are unusual variations of normal contrails due to changing weather patterns (?) or this is something intentional, it appears that *something* unusual is going on, across the US, Canada and England, on an increasing basis. Also more "radar rings", with corresponding satellite images, from Alabama and Montana. The next presentation for The Millennium Forum is the Fields of Dreams crop circle lecture for June 21 in Vancouver, BC, at the Barclay Manor heritage house by yours truly (a joint presentation between TMP and Circles Phenomenon Research Canada). Wishing a good week to all of you. Paul Anderson Director The Millennium Project _____________________________ See the TMP web site for links to the following news stories and updates, an archive of previous news and information on other TMP resources: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa _____________________________ NEWS AND REPORTS * Reader's Digest - UFOs: A Second Look * UFOS, The Official Secrets Act and the Joint Intelligence Community * Latest Crop Circle Updates from England, Germany and Around the Globe * Cracking the Crop Circle Mystery - Rockefeller Funds 1999 Research Projects * Large Mystery Triangle Found Carved in Rock in Croatia * Filer's Files #20 - May 21, 1999 * AURORA Top Secret Aircraft Photographed? * Hubble Telescope Photographs the Moon - After NASA Said it Couldn't be Done * Hubble Views Massive Cyclone on Mars * Mars Cyclone Enhancements from I Wonder Productions * New Moon of Uranus Discovered * Mike the Wonder Chicken - Headless Chicken Lives for 4 1/2 Years! SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Y2K: The Seedy Side of Y2K * Mystery Contrails: New Reports from Vancouver and North Carolina * Radar Anomalies: Radar and Satellite Images of Rings Over Alabama and Montana THE MILLENNIUM FORUM * Next Fields of Dreams Crop Circle Presentation June 21 in Vancouver, BC _____________________________ The Millennium Project News is the e-mail update service of The Millennium Project, an independent research organization initiated in January 1999 as an alternative source of news and information to the maintream media. TMP was founded by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also director of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada. TMP News is published weekly or as breaking news develops, with the latest news and reports, information on TMP events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe TMP News" or "unsubscribe TMP News" and e-mail address to: psa@direct.ca TMP welcomes your news leads and submissions. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J4 Canada =A9 The Millennium Project, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 24 Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:54:03 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:36:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >From: "Bill Stockstill" <slick1ru2@email.msn.com> >To: <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:11:00 -0400 >>Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 19:38:43 -0700 >>From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@bellsouth.net> >>To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986) >>One of the finest ufologist in the USA was Dr. Hynek, and we >>lament that the new generation, involved in the most ambiguous >>aspects of the UFO phenomenon, such as abductions, sometimes >>don't even reconize his name. ><snip> >I totally agree that Dr. Allen Hynek should not be forgotten. He >did make a huge impact on giving credibility to Ufology, with >CUFOS being his legacy. But what I can't stop wondering about is >why did he not try and present these totally unexplainable cases >to his fellow scientists while he was a consultant to the Air >Force. Where would we be now if prior to the Colorado >Investigation (Condon Report) he had presented all the data from >the unexplained cases to the scientific community in the >appropriate setting. JC: Bill, your first question is certainly valid, however the second, where we would be right now is definitely of lesser importance. It's a "could have"/"should have" question which psychologists tell us time and again not to bother ourselves with. What is important is where we are now, where we can get to from here & how to get there. Getting back to your first question; it does have some good answers if one really looks closely at what actually happened back then and what things were really like. >Reading Forbidden Science, written by perhaps his closest friend >and colleague Jacques Vallee, Hynek's reasoning is that he did >not want to upset the Air Force by disclosing the quality >unknown cases to the scientific community. His fear was that he >would be denied further access to the data. JC: You have to admit, this certainly qualifies as a valid point to the person gathering data. He was the only civilian scientist that I'm aware of that had any kind of close proximity to the military data. For many years the military was looking to downplay the data. Since they hired Hynek, I think it is reasonable to assume that Vallee was right. Some of the other members of this list have a better grasp of this early material than I do and could adequately demonstrate this to you. I can see at least several other reasons as well. 1. When Hynek was first hired by the Air Force, it was to disprove the reality of UFOs. Hynek himself admits to scoffing at the whole subject. (Hynek, The UFO Experience, 1972) However, his opinion changed over the years. Please see the following quotes from Hynek re his evolution located at: http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.3b.html#anchor75480 2. Not being a scientist I may not be stating this perfectly but, as I understand it, one important part of the scientific discipline says that other scientists must be able to recreate the results of any hypothesis in a laboratory, field setting, etc. for undeniable proof to be communicated to all scientists. 3. The data back then simply wasn't strong enough to display in a thoroughly scientific, mathematical, etc. setting; but reports definitely existed that were certainly "out of the norm" and not easily explainable in scientific terms. My guess is that privately, to some people he felt safe with, he probably did discuss some cases that puzzled him. Indicative of this, please see comments by Walter Webb (astronomer at Charles Hayden Planetarium, Boston): http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.3b.html#anchor904745 But Hynek was a good scientist. He knew the type proof he needed before he could prove any hypothesis conclusively. One is foolish to shout something too loudly if you can't prove it. (Yet, the longer he studied all of it, the apparent quality and quantity of certain type cases seemed to suggest hypotheses that really stretched the boundaries of our thinking; dimensional approaches, etc) Dr. Hynek wasn't sure what the answer was himself but he wanted to see it seriously studied. 4. UFOs were not always (or ever? ..possibly in his latter years) his main line of work. For a few insights into his life please see: http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.3a.html 5. UFOs have not displayed themselves for "study which lends itself to duplication." They don't normally appear on command when you want them to. For the most part, a person has no idea where to set up his instruments if he wants to measure it, etc. Studying this phenomenon isn't much different today except we've had some more time to gather what small amounts of solid data are available for analysis. (Trace cases, radar tracks, gun camera film from various military sources.. the majority of which is probably top secret, etc. films or videos people claim to have taken, etc.) 6. One must also remember that people react differently in a group setting than they do individually. What a scientist would say to Hynek in private certainly might easily be different than what that person might say in a committee setting when funding and scientific reputations were on the line. Hynek was well aware of this. Remember, the University of Colorado Study was one perfect example of this. Look what happened on the project. Who funded it? ..... the U.S. Air Force. Does anyone else see a slight conflict of interest here? Colorado Project http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/condon.html Dr. Condon Page at UFOMind http://www.ufomind.com/people/c/condon/ 7. The lengths we have seen some radical skeptics go to disprove the reality of UFOs (i.e. when they sometimes construct hypotheses that don't really fit the original facts) is proof enough to know what a person is facing when he shouts to the world, "We have visitors and they're not from here." In other words, you'd better darn well be able to prove it conclusively, or else. (and rightly so for the rest of the world's sanity.) Years ago they used to burn people at the stake. Today, ostracism and loss of funding & reputation takes its place. >>From the Wednesday, June 8, 1966 entry in Forbidden Science, >Dr. James McDonald, professor of atmospheric physics at the >University of Arizona was authorized to spend two days at Wright >field (Blue Book Headquarters), requesting to see all cases >attributed to "globular lightning". "He was amazed and horrified >at what he saw: case after case that obviously had nothing to do >with electrical discharges in the air". Next he asked to see the >general files, "getting increasingly upset as he kept on >reading". He realized the official explanations where >"bull****". JC: Yes, but the official explanations weren't specifically Hynek's. Hynek would submit his report to the Air Force who would then decide what they really wanted to say about it. Hynek told us this in his letter to Colonel Sleeper, his boss when working at Blue Book. (Hynek, The UFO Experience, 1972) There were periods in the Air Force's history where, for various reasons, some legitimate some not, they just wanted to play down the cases as if they didn't exist at all. Also, Dr. Hynek stated in his book that they didn't let him see all of the cases (and probably not the radar/gun camera data either). At Blue Book, he wasn't allowed to go in and just peruse the files. Please see URL below. Scroll down to: ON HYNEK's ROLE IN BLUE BOOK (GUESSING GAME PLAYED) Appendix 4, Section A, Paragraph 9 Taken from his 1972 book, The UFO Experience http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.5a.html >After reading the official files, later that day he confronted >Hynek asking, "How could you remain silent so long?". Vallee >jumped in on the side of Hynek, "If Allen had taken a strong >position last year the Air Force would have dropped him as >consultant and we wouldn't be here talking about the >phenomenon". McDonald reply was, "I'm not talking about last >year. Its in 1953 Allen should have spoken out!" JC: Bill, back then there were some incredible reports as well, but unfortunately the scientific data actually available was even less than today. I've listed one such case, "Kirtland" under the James McDonald URLs below. Read Hynek's "The UFO Experience" and compare other analyses by various authors and you should understand. Any scientist will immediately realize this. >This is burned in my mind. The data obviously was there and the >official explanations were bogus. Yet, Hynek did not start >talking about this until after Blue Book was dissolved. Most >then probably thought him a disgruntled scientist, his >multi-decade consultant job eliminated as the result of the >Condon Report's recommendations. JC: O.K., then put some salve on it and redirect your focus a little. :-) It certainly wasn't all his fault. To most of us, survival is a basic instinct. Your next paragraph should give us all a clue regarding this. Please note, Hynek definitely surpassed McDonald in this regard. This is not to denigrate any of the marvelous research Dr. McDonald performed and illuminated us with. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. A person can be 100% right and still not survive. >After accessing the Air Force data, McDonald spent much of the >next 3 years studying UFOs. He spoke to the American Association >for the Advancement of Science, 134th Meeting General Symposium >in 1969 trying to convince them that the data on UFOs was being >inadequately investigated and needed to be seriously studied. >Yet, his words fell on deaf ears. He killed himself in the early >70s. Some attribute his suicide to the negative effect his >interest in UFOs had on his career . >Perhaps while we are remembering scientists, we should remember >Dr. John McDonald. If he were the Air Force's consultant on >UFOs, imagine where we would be now. JC: BTW, that's James not John. Absolutely, this is why I defended both these gentlemen to James Oberg when he made some disparaging remarks concerning them while discussing Gordon Cooper's claims. This and all the history quoted herein has been located for the past couple of years at: http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/index.html Yes, Dr. McDonald was definitely important. Amongst other things, his revelations on the Kirtland AFB case interest me greatly; especially because of other cases that occurred right in that same time period. One of them appears below. A neighbor of mine was dating someone from the Sebago when that incident occurred. Because of this, I personally know the case is legitimate and as stated. Sebago Case (11/5/57) http://www.evansville.net/~slk/sebago.htm McDonald's Critique of the handling of the Condon "Kirtland AFB Case" http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.7c.html#Anchor1323 McDonald's Own Analysis of "The Kirtland AFB Case (11/4/57)" http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.7b.html McDonald's Credentials http://www.li.net/~rjcohen/ocr.7c.html#anchor187593 and I'd certainly be totally remiss if I didn't include Brad Zeiler and Jean van Gemert's excellent website which includes some important papers by James McDonald, including: http://www.primenet.com/~bdzeiler/papers/aaas1.htm But, just remember one thing; after McDonald died, Hynek was still here pressing for further study in CUFOS, etc. Whatever else one might accuse Hynek of, he was brave enough to stay the course, amazingly without ruining his reputation, until his death in 1986. This could only occur if he was an honest, cautious scientist. We've seen what this topic can do to people if they foul up. If people read the early issues of CUFOS from the period when Hynek was alive, most will see his honesty evident therein. He did his best to apply a proper scientific approach to every case that appeared there. Their website address appears below. Because of Dr. Hynek's work and the many excellent papers and editorials I have seen published in the CUFOS journal, I thoroughly respect that organization and the people therein. CUFOS.J. Allen Hynek http://www.cufos.org/org.html Respectfully, Jerry Cohen
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 US ET Protocols? From: Claudio Argemi Jr. <IXORIONXI@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:56:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:30:19 -0400 Subject: US ET Protocols? Can or does anyone on this list know what the goverment Protocol and or policies are in the event of capturing or coming in contact with any Instruments of either travel or usage that have ET. origins Best Regards CA
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Popular Science/NASA Interstellar Propulsion From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:24:23 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:32:21 -0400 Subject: Popular Science/NASA Interstellar Propulsion The June Popular Science magazine has a cover story on various possible interstellar propulsion schemes being examined by NASA. Or you can go to the Popular Science Web site at: http://www.popularscience.com/context/features/startravel/ and take a look at it there as well. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:25:21 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:38:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy To no one in particular: There are two items (which isn't to say there aren't more) of which ufology must seriously and finally disabuse itself if it ever hopes to gain the widespread scientific support it so eagerly and allegedly seeks. The first of these is the notion that some sort of comprehensive, coordinated, air-tight conspiracy is in place now and has always been. That is, that MJ-12, or something very similar to same, exists, and has somehow been able to cover up the "truth" worldwide for nigh on half a century. Such a notion is absurd on its face. The second absurd assumption, also taken for granted by many ufologists, portrays a world besieged by a massive invasion of human-abducting, sperm-sucking, egg-extracting aliens, 3-4 million, by some accounts, in this country alone. Stand back from both of these "claims" for just a minute or two and see if the patent absurdity of both doesn't wash over you like a breath of fresh, reinvigorating air. Common sense tells you that neither assertion has a hope of being true. That's right, simple common sense. Has everyone forgotten what common sense is _for_? Or is it something that we're all supposed to check at the UFO front door? And then wonder why the scientific community isn't overly eager to do the same? What _were_ you people thinking? EOM Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:38:42 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:44:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:31 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >by charged-particle beams from satellites? >It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing >how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could >control a beam from an altitude of a few hundred miles. >You could compare drawing crop circles from a space platform to >the photolithography so commonly used in constructing integrated >circuits out of semiconducting material. >>BIG problem... for anyone conjecturing about charged particle >>beams making Agriglyphs...... >>There are no charged particle beams in space.... at least not on >>_our_ (made by humans) satellites.... and even if there were >>they wouldn't be able to penetrate the atmosphere with any power >>source that would be available in the near future (charged >>particle beams are "eaten up" by the atmosphere) Thanks, Bruce, for explaining the absorption of charged particles by our atmosphere. (Shades of aurora borealis!) I defer to your knowledge. However, my question was re-posted to another forum, and I was sent by a non-subscriber an interesting article that was published nearly 10 years ago that suggests SDI UV lasers could account for the type of effects observed in crop circles. I will excerpt just enough of it here to perhaps pique your curiosity: "December 16, 1990 The concepts in this document are based on known and current technologies and capabilities as extrapolated by Jerry Decker, Cheyenne Turner, Ron Barker, Chuck Henderson, and brought up in discussions with various other associates of KeelyNet and Vangard Sciences. <snip description of crop circles> "Since the inception of SDI (the Star Wars program), Man has had the capability of projecting high-intensity laser beams followed immediately by EXTREMELY high electrical charges aimed at targets on the planet. "SDI uses very high-intensity lasers (EXCIMER LASERS) to generate and project these beams of UltraViolet light. High- intensity UV light cohered into laser beams IONIZES the air through which the beam passes thus creating a conducting path. "How Star Wars works The idea is : 1) to build up a very high electrical charge in the satellite, 2) target a structure from space using a weak UV laser 3) increase the amplitude of the UV laser beam until a highly ionized path is created from the satellite to the target 4) this ionized path acts as an electrical conductor much like a wire being thrown from the satellite to the target 5) the electrical energy is then transferred to the laser beam path which passes the artificial "lightning" to the target 6) as the electrical energy passes into the target, the molecules are electrostatically repelled with explosive velocities causing the target to explode. "The SDI Circle Hypothesis: "All cells contain DNA and RNA among other things. These two complex molecules are especially sensitive to UV frequencies in the range of 260 NM. "In addition, cells can be "denatured" or "melted" when exposed to temperatures in the range of 73 to 77 degrees Celsius. This causes the ladder-like structure of the DNA/RNA to begin to separate. "This is one of the reasons high-energy sources are so dangerous to living systems. The energy causes micro-heating in the DNA/RNA which partially "melts" the tissues. "When the heating is removed (and depending on the degree of melting), the DNA/RNA will revert to the original mirror symmetry pattern. "This is not always a perfect reversion to the original pattern however. Sometimes the patterns are so distorted as to produce mutations in the form of cancer and other diseases. "Plants also are made up of cells. If these cells are subjected to a high-intensity UV laser, heating occurs causing the plants to melt like plastic at their weakest point, i.e. the stalk. "Two-dimensional laser displays rely on a device known as an acousto-optic modulator. This is simply a front surface mirror (reflecting only from the exposed side) which vibrates on either an X or a Y axis. "When the modulator is driven by a sufficiently fast device (like a computer), the laser beam can be reflected off the mirror to paint a picture on any surface. The flatter the surface (and the more perpendicular to the beam), the more perfect the reproduction of the intended image. "If a UV laser were to be properly directed from a space satellite (intended to be used for SDI purposes), it could quite easily "paint" a picture on earth or crops. "Only the crops within the beam would be sufficiently melted to cause the bending effect. That is why microscopic examination of the stalk shows no tearing or cellular rupture as it would be if bent by force. <snip some more technical stuff> "Some of our group find it quite humorous to think that some of the SDI people would be playing such an elaborate prank using such a sophisticated means of application. "Chuck Henderson even suggested that the work might be that of one or more "hackers" who had broken the access and command codes for the SDI satellite. "The intriguing thing about the crop circles is that to date, ALL sightings PRIOR to the SDI project; NEVER involved complex geometries or patterns beyond a circle shape." <snip a proposal to detect UV laser beams and a gratuitous swipe at UFO study> I don't wish to clutter up UFO UpDates with an extended discussion of crop circles, but I do find the SDI explanation very interesting compared to some of the New Age and extraterrestrial explanations. Bruce, if you can knock this information down as easily as you did the idea of charged-particle beams, I will retire from this discussion and let others speculate about crop circles. Thanks for the thoughtful response. Pat McCartney
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team From: John Tenney <mainorg@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:48:06 -0400 Subject: Re: SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:36:41 +0200 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Karel <1charles@xs4all.nl> >Subject: SETI@home: UFO UpDates Team >We now have our own 'UFO UpDates' team at SETI@home. >Joining the team is easy, just point your webbrowser to: >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=1802 >I'll see if I can get a team webpage up when time >permits. For now you can look at the stats at >http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_show&id=1802 >since the "Find Team" link appears to be broken at the moment. I am very proud to now be a member of the UpDates Team, and I would like a shot at putting together or helping to put together a Team webpage. any comments? Thanks, Rev. John E.L. Tenney Michigan Anomalous Information Network http://members.tripod.com/~mainorg 24 hotline 248-873-9987
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:25:19 -0300 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:10:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:36:06 -0400 >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:16:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 >>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>>To: Updates@globalserve.net >>>Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>>Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. >>Hail fellow mote and UpDate neuron! >>>I initially posted >>>my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the >>>Elders of Zion" on his list. I sincerely thank all those who >>>supported my view. >>And where is the thanks for those that did _not_ support your >>view -- a contingent providing existence (to me) for more >>fallacious bricks in the wall of an ignorant anti-Semitism, >>ubiquitous conspiracy, and the mechanism of censorship that >>would hide these things -- _plus_ UFOs? Widen your view Josh! >Wait...wait....I'm not sure I believe what I'm reading. Are you >seriously saying that there's a "mechanism of censorship" that >hides facts about anti-semitism? And that Jeff Rense somehow >defeated these censors by telling the world about the "Protocols >of the Elders of Zion?" >The "Protocols" are extremely well known. No censor has hidden >their existence. As I noted a while ago on UpDates, I found an >entry on them in the first reference book I opened when I went to >look up their history. >As for Jeff Rense, he appears not to have known what the >"Protocols" were when he linked to them from his website. Does >anyone remember his first post in response to Josh Goldstein? >This was his first public comment on the "Protocols" -- and he by >no means acknowledged that they're an anti-semitic forgery. >Instead, he said they needed further investigation. >Which means he didn't know that they'd been investigated >generations ago. He wasn't fighting censorship to bring us >important information about anti-semitism. He just made a >mistake, and linked to anti-semitic trash without knowing what it >was. Now we're getting this retroactive gloss, when we're asked >to believe that Rense has done us all a great educational favor, >and that his motive all along was to expose the anti-semitic >horror. No way. >But returning to the idea that "censors" have stopped people >from knowing about the "Protocols" -- what a way to run a >conspiracy! I can just see the conspiracy bosses handing down a >command: "Information about the 'Protocols' must be printed in >the Columbia Encyclopedia, which is available in libraries, and >at every major bookstore. But under no circumstances may it >appear on Rense's website!" I hate to mention it, but the loathsome Protocols are included in Milton William Cooper's really rotten book "Behold a Pale Horse" which also falsely accuses me and Budd Hopkins and others of being CIA agents. The fact that the documents are fraudulent is, of course, not mentioned... The hateful Protocols have been around a long time. If it is published, I should think the fact that it has over and over again been shown to be totally false, should be mentioned. It is certainly a splendid example of conspiracy theory propaganda. Signing off until June 1, Stan Friedman I will be gone for a week to the annual San Marino, Italy, UFO Conference
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:02:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:13:29 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:08 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >I submit you are ignorant of these effects, or intentionally >excluded them from your post. I'm fully aware of the effects you're talking about, however there is one thing lacking. Has any crop circle researcher ever created a circle themselves and objectively tested crop from their own formation? Wouldn't you agree that if the same anomalous effects were found in their own circles then that negates any previous claims of an unknown energy creating crop circles? If you know of research that has been undertaken as above then we'd be interested in seeing the results. Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:03:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:16:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >From: Stephen G. Bassett <SGBList2@aol.com> >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:41:23 EDT >Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Steve Neill Walks >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) >>Steve Neill, Renowned UFO Researcher and Artist, Quits Ufology >> ________________________________ >>From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >>>5-15-99> >>After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct >>experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO >>community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that >>I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently.> >>All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the >>backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the >>radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all >>overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a >>virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell >>the truth. ><snip> >To: Steve Neill> >Steve, >This is not the time for intelligent, productive contributors to >the process of disclosure and understanding to withdraw. Things >are just getting interesting. Surely you must know that as we >get closer to the finish line the level of resistance, at least >for a time would, increase. There have been casualties, but >never in history has an event of this magnitude taken place >without them. I'll second that. The resistance will approach "infinity".... and I suppose the name-calling/mudslinging/ill humor and just plain butt-kicking will also approach infinity. But hang in there. The meek may inherit the earth, but tigers will have a piece of pie, too.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 NICK POPE'S WEIRD WORLD - MAY '99 From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:10:34 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:33:11 -0400 Subject: NICK POPE'S WEIRD WORLD - MAY '99 NICK POPE=92S WEIRD WORLD HOT GOSSIP UK apologies for the delay................. Welcome to another window on the world of UFOs, alien abductions and other weird stuff. I=92ll be highlighting all the important news concerning these fascinating subjects, and telling you what=92s hot, and what=92s not. Alien Dawn Just out in paperback is Colin Wilson=92s book Alien Dawn. It covers a wide spectrum of material, and in his attempts to get to the bottom of the UFO mystery he covers all the usual mysteries that go hand in hand with UFOs - alien abductions, crop circles and animal mutilations to name but three. But the book goes wider than this, and introduces a wealth of less obvious (but actually, no less relevant) material on subjects as diverse as Bigfoot and Uri Geller. Wilson=92s research is impressive, so the book should appeal both to those new to the subject and to those already familiar with the mystery. There=92s a lot of fascinating information packed into this book, which is published by Virgin, and costs =A36.99. Highly recommended. Positive UFO Encounters In UFO and abduction literature these days, it seems that the Greys have something of a monopoly. That is to say, you=92d think that everybody claiming alien contact was having negative abduction experiences with short, grey entities with large, wrap- around eyes. This is far from the case, however, and many people are claiming benign encounters with more enlightened beings. The contactees, for example, haven=92t gone away - it=92s just that most ufologists don=92t highlight those sorts of cases any more. Actually, the range of contacts claimed has always been diverse, covering a huge range of entities and experiences. For those who are interested in a more New Age interpretation of the data, check out the Pleiadian Light Body DNA Activation Program. This comprises a series of tapes and essences aimed at a mixture of self-discovery and contact with high-minded and benign entities. Check out www.pleiadianlight.net for further details, or write to Dolphin Ray Productions, P.O. Box 32, Launceston, Cornwall, PL16 0YF, United Kingdom. RAF Rudloe Manor I consider Nick Redfern to be one of the UK=92s best researchers of the UFO mystery, and he=92s also a pleasant chap, free of the excesses of ego that are the hallmark of many of the louder characters in ufology. But he and I will have to agree to disagree when it comes to the issue of whether or not some sort of covert UFO research effort is taking place at that location so beloved of conspiracy theorists, RAF Rudloe Manor. In an Internet post some time ago (after a rather naughty dig at the amount of media appearances I make) he claimed that RAF Rudloe Manor was responsible for co-ordinating reports of UFO sightings. He has cited as proof a letter from an officer at Rudloe Manor, acknowledging such a role. Setting aside the fact that there=92s clearly nothing spooky and covert about something they write freely about to members of the public, people might be interested in something Nick Redfern mysteriously forgot to mention about the letter he received. Because just a few lines after the statement about co-ordination, it goes on to explain that this process involved nothing more than sending the reports to Sec(AS)2a, at the Ministry of Defence. This, of course, is precisely what I=92ve said all along, and have patiently explained several times to Nick Redfern and others. I hope this will explain the position, and finally put an end to some of the nonsense that=92s been spouted about RAF Rudloe Manor. And I hope that Nick Redfern and others won=92t take offence at me if I=92m somewhat bullish on this issue, but I=92ve worked for the MoD for around fourteen years now, and think I=92m entitled to feel a little aggrieved when outsiders come along and tell me they know the system better than me. Trust me - they don=92t. Don=92t Panic On Friday 9 April I did a down the line interview on Sightings Radio, which broadcasts regular interviews with various ufologists and witnesses. Check out www.sightings.com for further details of this excellent service. But while not being interviewed I could hear the advertisements that were being broadcast, and have to say I was surprised to hear a constant stream of commercials speculating on the consequences of Y2K, and using this to sell products such as emergency food kits, or to promote commodities that would hold their value in the event of computer meltdowns. Some people believe the fear of Y2K could lead to more problems than the dreaded date change itself. If so, are advertisements like this the solution to Y2K, or simply part of the problem? Either way, it was an interesting insight into the way in which Americans view the issue. Intruders Foundation Conference Saturday 10 April saw what was almost certainly the most important conference on alien abductions since the Abduction Study Conference held at MIT in June 1992. The Intruders Foundation conference was held in New York and featured an impressive line-up of speakers, including Stanton Friedman, David Jacobs, and Budd Hopkins. Also making a rare public appearance was Linda Cortile, whose spectacular experiences were featured in Budd=92s most recent book, Witnessed. Over two hundred people attended, and heard a powerful mix of material. Stanton Friedman discussed the physics of interstellar travel (they can get here from there!), while Budd Hopkins talked about the abduction of children, and showed some of these children=92s drawings. David Jacobs made the observation that descriptions of Grey and Reptilian aliens overlapped, meaning that the perception of abductees might be as much of a factor here as what the creatures look like. Carol Rainey gave a damning indictment of the way in which the media misrepresented the subject, and Jerome Clark talked of his attempts (largely unsuccessful) to find reports of abductions or the Greys predating the Betty and Barney Hill case. Intriguing points emerged from the panel discussion and the question and answer sessions, including the observation that on close questioning (without leading witnesses), many of those people claiming their abduction experiences were benign revised their opinions and realised they weren=92t. There were also discussions about whether abductions happened in waves, like UFO sightings (insufficient data to say) and about why early close encounter reports from before the abduction era never involve aliens coming into houses (they probably did, but the abductees generated screen memories to protect themselves from recalling the traumatic events. The good news is that this may become an annual event, so watch out for details. I=92d hoped to get along to the conference myself, but in the event, the situation in Kosovo made it impossible to take leave from the Ministry of Defence, so my thanks goes to Peter Robbins for briefing me in detail on the proceedings. Further details are at www.if-aic.com/ifconference. Cambridge Union Lecture I=92ll be taking the message about UFOs to the heart of the Establishment again this month, with a lecture to the world famous Cambridge Union Society. The talk will be held at 8pm on Thursday 13th May. More UFO Programmes On TV The Discovery Channel have been screening a series of intriguing programmes under the general title Beyond The Truth, covering subjects such as UFOs, Men In Black and the mystery surrounding the Ark of the Covenant. The programmes were produced by Transmedia Productions, whose earlier successes include Dreamland, the acclaimed documentary on Area 51. Most of the programmes have now run, but two have yet to be screened. On 5 May, Impact Earth deals with the danger posed to Earth by comets and asteroids, while on 10 May, The Uninvited is a sensational one hour documentary examining alien abductions. I was the consultant on this latter programme, and indeed the show is very much the documentary version of my book, with many of the experts and witnesses that I wrote about making an appearance. But there are a few surprises too, and the programme is going to be controversial. I=92ll be monitoring the feedback, and will report on this next month. More Extrasolar Planets Forty Four light years from Earth is a star not unlike our own sun, and around this star - known as Upsilon Andromedae - there are at least three planets. Scientists knew about one of these planets as long ago as 1996, when its existence was deduced from the way in which its gravity caused the star to wobble. But these calculations have been refined, and now suggest the existence of three massive planets. The number of planets found around other stars is now around twenty, but this is the first time that another solar system has been discovered. It suggests that planetary systems like ours are common, and makes it even more likely that the universe is teeming with life. Ed=92s Note: Nick Pope=92s two books, Open Skies, Closed Minds and The Uninvited, are available from all good bookshops. Simon & Schuster are his UK publishers, while The Overlook Press publish his books in America. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:50:51 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:18:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:36:06 -0400 >>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:16:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>>Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:26:54 -0700 >>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net> >>>To: Updates@globalserve.net >>>Subject: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>>Fellow neurons in the UpDates global brain. >>Hail fellow mote and UpDate neuron! >>>I initially posted >>>my concerns regarding Jeff Rense posting "the Protocols of the >>>Elders of Zion" on his list. I sincerely thank all those who >>>supported my view. >>And where is the thanks for those that did _not_ support your >>view -- a contingent providing existence (to me) for more >>fallacious bricks in the wall of an ignorant anti-Semitism, >>ubiquitous conspiracy, and the mechanism of censorship that >>would hide these things -- _plus_ UFOs? Widen your view Josh! >Wait...wait....I'm not sure I believe what I'm reading. Are you >seriously saying that there's a "mechanism of censorship" that >hides facts about anti-semitism? Anti-Semitism (and UFO denial) flourishes in ignorance, ignorance is a result of censorship, and that would appear to make censorship a mechanism of ignorance, Mr. Sandow. Some of that ignorance may even be contrived. My bet is most of it's contrived. So yes -- there may (!?!) be a "mechanism of censorship" that hides facts about anti-Semitism (and UFOs)! I didn't get any facts in my grammar school, high school -- and only a bit in college. I've an open and inquiring mind, and I'm at a loss to explain my ignorance regarding something (anti-Semitism) that I've researched with some diligence (will produce the paper, with references, on request). Like FOIA requests you have to know what you're looking for before you can find it, I suppose. As a certified public school teacher I am poised to appreciate the shortcomings of our educational philosophy in this regard. Ours is a school system that teaches the midnight ride of Paul Revere, untested faith in fictionalized founders, and a dynamic history made as boring as the observed growth of grass. >And that Jeff Rense somehow >defeated these censors by telling the world about the "Protocols >of the Elders of Zion?" You oversell your fallacious case. Anything providing me data I was ignorant of is preferable to anything I seem to get from Dan Rather. You prefer your pap pre-digested by officious talking heads (Perhaps assume that role yourself?) and I do not. My admonition to Mr. Goldstein was to widen his field of view, not dote on Mr. Rense as the sole fount of his informational acumen. I fold my arms at your unclever misdirection, simultaneously rolling my eyes skyward at the proud sneer present in your preceding question. The question is all the news that _fits_, not all the news that's fit. >The "Protocols" are extremely well known. _I_ was unaware of them. I'm reasonably well educated. As a result of their exposure on the Rense site I am now aware of their existence. It would appear that I have Mr. Rense to thank for that efficacious bit of education, while all I get from you and an *honored* news media is an admonition to ignore the scales that my culture has glued to my eyes. >No censor has hidden >their existence. As I noted a while ago on UpDates, I found an >entry on them in the first reference book I opened when I went to >look up their history. Where did _you_ first hear about them? You imply that you were unaware of them yourself. Were you reminded of them as a result of the Rense brou-ha, and compelled to look up their history? Perhaps you owe Mr. Rense a modicum of thanks in your own right. >As for Jeff Rense, he appears not to have known what the >"Protocols" were when he linked to them from his website. Does >anyone remember his first post in response to Josh Goldstein? I remember him saying something to the effect that a _Rabbi_ was the impetus for the link. This item was lost to everyone else on the list. Why would a Rabbi be interested in documents that propose a justification for anti-Semitism? Why, indeed! >This was his first public comment on the "Protocols" -- and he by >no means acknowledged that they're an anti-semitic forgery. >Instead, he said they needed further investigation. Investigation is not support, Mr. Sandow. As I said -- I was _unaware_ of them. >Which means he didn't know that they'd been investigated >generations ago. He wasn't fighting censorship to bring us >important information about anti-semitism. He just made a >mistake, and linked to anti-semitic trash without knowing what it >was. Now we're getting this retroactive gloss, when we're asked >to believe that Rense has done us all a great educational favor, >and that his motive all along was to expose the anti-semitic >horror. No way. So -- what are we left with here, Jeff Rense is an ignorant anti-Semite who provides nothing but a misdirecting, UFO-credibility-damaging obfuscation as a result of his web-site and radio program? I'll see your "no way," and call. If Rense was in this game -- I bet he'd raise. >But returning to the idea that "censors" have stopped people >from knowing about the "Protocols" -- what a way to run a >conspiracy! You've mixed up a lovely group of apples and oranges here, Mr. Sandow, and seem to be calling the result lasagna. Some of this stuff so airily ridiculed might be a little more insidious than you give it credit for. Consider the benign and ubiquitus electric meter. A Robby the Robot silent cacaphony of spinning wheels, tiny numbers, and abstruse movement. Why the complication? It begs the observer to just *trust* the electric company to get it right. Forget business use of electricity - they have somebody on the payroll to devide the wattage used (a hundred watts is a tenth of a kilowatt hour) multiply by the number of hours, multiply by a sliding scale of cost per kilowatt hour, apply whatever scheme they're presently using to knock the highs back into the lows -- but this is just to turn on the lights in the bathroom so the private consumer can use it in the morning. How about a guage reading what you owe? Can't have that! Too easy to notice that identical electrical useage can vary considerably from day to day. Why is that? Ha! A _lot_ more insidious, Mr Sandow. >I can just see the conspiracy bosses handing down a >command: "Information about the 'Protocols' must be printed in >the Columbia Encyclopedia, which is available in libraries, and >at every major bookstore. But under no circumstances may it >appear on Rense's website!" Good one Mr. Sandow <slapping my knee>, but where was Mr. Goldstien's appreciation for the potentiality of honest debate beyond his expression regarding how good it felt (and how preferable it was?) when everybody thought like he did? An attitude like that _may_ be as onerous as the protocols ever were! Do you agree? Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 15 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:23:34 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:28:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:25:21 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >To no one in particular: To Denis Stacy: >There are two items (which isn't to say there aren't more) of >which ufology must seriously and finally disabuse itself if it >ever hopes to gain the widespread scientific support it so >eagerly and allegedly seeks. >The first of these is the notion that some sort of >comprehensive, coordinated, air-tight conspiracy is in place now >and has always been. That is, that MJ-12, or something very >similar to same, exists, and has somehow been able to cover up >the "truth" worldwide for nigh on half a century. Such a notion >is absurd on its face. Why? Are you able to support your claims? Please, demonstrate for the less erudite of us loonies.... I see your notion and raise you the notions of many others, even more erudite than you... >The second absurd assumption, also taken for granted by many >ufologists, portrays a world besieged by a massive invasion of >human-abducting, sperm-sucking, egg-extracting aliens, 3-4 >million, by some accounts, in this country alone. It's a matter of phrasing, as in music. We have a number of experts in music who will back up that claim... phrasing. As in "Sperm- Sucking" and "Egg-Extracting" aliens... Presumably, Mr. Stacey has never had his sperm sucked by aliens... hmmm. Heck, even our fearless leader could have copped to that excuse but did not. Must be common sense working again. >Stand back from both of these "claims" for just a minute or two >and see if the patent absurdity of both doesn't wash over you >like a breath of fresh, reinvigorating air. OK. I am standing back. Uh, still waiting for that common sense. I guess mine is both uncommon and nonesense. As for that reinvigorating breath of fresh air, all I got is a bottle of fresh Gripple, which is presumably the place from whence some common sense comes? That was another question. >Common sense tells you that neither assertion has a hope of >being true. >That's right, simple common sense. Has everyone forgotten what >common sense is _for_? >Or is it something that we're all supposed to check at the UFO >front door? And then wonder why the scientific community isn't >overly eager to do the same? >What _were_ you people thinking? What people? I can understand your denigration of an ass such as Gesundt, however those you castigate as having forgotten simple common sense have more credentials than you and I do.... and I am one of those from whom sperm has been sucked, and not by Pia Zadora. What you call "simple common sense," I call simple, cuplable ignorance. Stale, Mate. Very stale, Denis. Jim
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:09:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:30:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:38:42 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >I don't wish to clutter up UFO UpDates with an extended >discussion of crop circles, but I do find the SDI explanation >very interesting compared to some of the New Age and >extraterrestrial explanations. >Bruce, if you can knock this information down as easily as you >did the idea of charged-particle beams, I will retire from this >discussion and let others speculate about crop circles. Pat - Bruce, I, and a few others engaged in this thread within the last year here on UpDates. I'd suggest a web search and a look over past posts at http://www.ufomind.com The essence of the argument against creating crop circles from orbit was that a) The energy requirements are too high. b) That energy output would certainly detected by a number of means, especially those used by the government. c) Blooming and air turbulence, not to mention simple beam spreading make it impossible to attain the observed level of focus. Calculations were used to support these objections. ------ Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and UFO research - UFO cases, analysis, classification systems, and more... http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/index.htm ------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:48:24 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:35:55 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:38:42 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >>>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:31 -0400 >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May >1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On >Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >>Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >>by charged-particle beams from satellites? >However, my question was re-posted to another forum, and I was >sent by a non-subscriber an interesting article that was >published nearly 10 years ago that suggests SDI UV lasers could >account for the type of effects observed in crop circles. I will >excerpt just enough of it here to perhaps pique your curiosity: Why on earth would the US military use billion dollar SDI satellites to draw pretty pictograms in English crop fields, even if they could? What concievable rationale could there be? To annoy English farmers? To perplex the readers of UFO Updates perhaps? The very concept boggles the mind! The idea is nuts. Get a grip folks. Find some other straw to grasp. -Brian C.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 99 12:09:58 PDT Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:06:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:15:23 EDT >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: updates@globalserve.net >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT >> Hi, Greg, >Do you believe governments are covering up information about >UFOs? I do. Does that make me paranoid, or a conspiricy >theorist? If I worry more about it, does that qualify me for one >or both of those titles? If I take a less concerned stance, do I >not run the risk of being caught unprepared should all this >stuff turn out to be true? Suspecting that a few agencies of the U.S. government are concealing UFO secrets -- an entirely reasonable position -- is not the same as believing in vast, sinister conspiracies. Of course all governments keep secrets; that they participate in vast, sinister, international, all-encompassing satanic plots is quite another matter. For the difference between sane speculation on one side and mad fantasy on the other, just think of Donald Keyhoe as representing the former and the Dark Siders (Cooper, Lear, English, et al.) the latter. >Lets examine some hot topics: All over America, government >troops are staging mock assaults from helicopters at night, >frightening the hell out of civilians. How SHOULD we interpret >these events? The military has shown little or no regard for the >people they scare. It's all done for training, they >say....sorry. Excuse me, but I thought the military already had >places set aside for this type of thing. By holding these >exercises in civilian areas, they are exposing the populace to >undue hazard, particularly in light of the military's recent >safety record. They act secretive. They scare people. They don't >care. Doesn't this concern you at all? Frankly, it is suggestive >to me of an ulterior motive, and I don't think one has to be >paraniod to see it. At the very LEAST, it ought to raise serious >questions. Remember, the activity I've just described IS >occuring...its' reality is not open to debate. I don't know the relevance of this to conspiracy speculation. If you feel personally threatened, bothered, or irritated by this, I urge you to contact your Congress member and share your concerns with him or her. >Another topic is the contrails. I will confess that this whole >thing is out of control. Some people are now suspicious of >everything that flies over. It's only a matter of time before >bird droppings are suspected of containing biological or >chemical agents. But again, I must confess to having noted some >unusual activity up there, not consistent with that which I have >observed in the past. Some of the pictures I've seen, and >stories I've read do sound unusual. By the same token, my father >is all but hysterical over this subject. I tried to explain to >him about moisture content at altitude, and temperature >differences, and why one may see no contrails one day, and a >plethora the next. He won't hear of it, and looks insulted. Contrails are the latest fad on the far right, perhaps soon to replace black helicopters as something to keep conspiracists up at night, weaponry in hand. A website I checked the other day (sorry I can't be specific; computer problems over the weekend wiped out just about everything, including bookmarks; I'm just now getting back on my feet) is run by sober conservative monitors of far-right paranoia. They understand that far-right paranoia may be confused with genuine conservatism, to the latter's detriment (they remind me of serious ufologists who monitor and critique saucerdom's fringes). They looked into the background of the contrails claims, demonstrated that they have virtually no evidential basis, and characterized them as a new urban legend. This conclusion is predictable, of course; these things do tend to collapse under scrutiny. Just as predictably, the far right will reject them and accuse the critics (as I was accused in private e-mail last week) of being "arrogant socialist one-world do-gooder liberals" answerable to "CIA handlers." >Where do I draw the line? Where do you? I try to keep this principle in mind: the real world is bad enough. It doesn't need lurid imagination and unconstrained paranoia to make it seem even worse. If this world is going to be a decent place for human beings to live in and on, we'd better address our _real_ problems. Going off in flights of fantasy about pretend problems is not an option wise persons will elect to pursue. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 25 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:31 -0300 Fwd Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:08:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:25:21 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >To no one in particular: >There are two items (which isn't to say there aren't more) of >which ufology must seriously and finally disabuse itself if it >ever hopes to gain the widespread scientific support it so >eagerly and allegedly seeks. >The first of these is the notion that some sort of >comprehensive, coordinated, air-tight conspiracy is in place now >and has always been. That is, that MJ-12, or something very >similar to same, exists, and has somehow been able to cover up >the "truth" worldwide for nigh on half a century. Such a notion >is absurd on its face. >The second absurd assumption, also taken for granted by many >ufologists, portrays a world besieged by a massive invasion of >human-abducting, sperm-sucking, egg-extracting aliens, 3-4 >million, by some accounts, in this country alone. >Stand back from both of these "claims" for just a minute or two >and see if the patent absurdity of both doesn't wash over you >like a breath of fresh, reinvigorating air. >Common sense tells you that neither assertion has a hope of >being true. >That's right, simple common sense. Has everyone forgotten what >common sense is _for_? >Or is it something that we're all supposed to check at the UFO >front door? And then wonder why the scientific community isn't >overly eager to do the same? >What _were_ you people thinking? >EOM >Dennis Dennis, Common sense and paying attention to what information is available about keeping secrets says you are blowing in the wind. Nobody says the secret keeping "conspiracy" was air tight. Look at the loads of information around. But notice how little TOP SECRET or compartmented information has been releasd about UFOs. Blue Book Special Report 14 covers 3201 signtings.. but none that were highly classsified. Are you forgetting that data obtained by ADC, NSA, NRO,DIA etc is born classified?.For example, there is little published about UFO flights over nuclear weapons storage areas. It is interesting that there was nothing published about the enigma code-breaking work so vital to winning WW 2 for 30 years, though 12,000 people were involved!. There was nothing published about the Corona reconaissance satellites launched from 1960 on, until more than 30 years later even though there were almost a dozen failures to begin with and even though thousands of people were involved. The NRO was established by a TOP SECRET Executive Order in 1962. There was nothing in public for well over a decade..Annual Budget estimated at $8Billion. The DCI admitted to a black budget of 26.6 Billon dollars a couple of years back. Do you really think nothing can be kept secret?. Common sense tells us that based on the history of successful secrecy over the past 60 years, and the arrogance of press people who think that if something were happening, they would know about it, that of course secrets can be kept.. Where have you been? How much time did you spend working on highly classified programs.? I hate to use the old refrain, but absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence for absence. Stan Friedman (Gone until June 2)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 26 Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research From: Joachim Koch <AchimKoch@compuserve.com Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:23:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:07:20 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >From: StrmNut@aol.com >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:21:05 EDT >Subject: Re: BBC: US Billionaire Funds Crop Circle Research >To: updates@globalserve.net >Joachim, >Your point is taken, but there isn't a thing we can do about it. [...] >I will grant that the phenomenon seems to speak to us on some >subconscious level. [...] >Sorry, but these things are made by some physical process that I >don't understand, and I want to know what that is. Understand >that not all of us are ready to bow to every wierd phenomenon. I >don't need or want spiritual guidance from wheat. I just want to >know who bent it, why, and how. Don't expect me to sit on my >laurels because you're content. Dear Greg, Maybe you, inside of Dollarland, "can do nothing about it", but we can. And that gives hope. No, Dear Friend, the Phenomenon is absolutely not "subconsciously" - it is reality in plain daylight. It is a code, a language, has characters - and is understandable. That's why they are called "Cerealoglyphs". A non human intelligence has offered a message. Yes, not via TV, not via Satellite, not via radio antennas not for a special group of special agents with ultra umbra extra beyond everything clearance in one of the underground facilities of your glorious home country. It showed up inside of wheat fields and yes, offered spiritual guidance for free and for all of us - if we want to. And the physical process you think you don't understand is - pressure, simply that. Pressure from planks and garden rollers used by a whole army of hoaxers in the meantime. What you might not know is that since 1993 no genuine crop circle appeared in the area of Alton Barnes/Avebury. To verify this, ask B.O.R.I. (Boring Old Robert Irving), Jim Schnabel, Pam Price, Messieurs Lundberg and Dickinson, Dough and Dave (one of them has passed away), The Wessex Sceptics and many many more. Before 1993 - yes, there have been genuine formations. But they're gone, only the energetic remains are left in some places, if you know where to find them. And yes, there have been many many attempts to investigate the "physics" behind it with millions of Dollar, Yen, Britsh Pounds and our DM - they all failed.Because nowadays the genuine crop circle phenomenon has evolved from "flattened corn", from "Cerealoglyphs" to high sophisticated energy patterns, to energetic interactions of huge energy grids and fields right in the same place, out in the fields of Wiltshire. And accept it or not, the only way you can find these grids is the use of simple metal dowsing rods, no computer, no radar, no detector will do it, nothing of our technology, but the rods do. Disappointed? And finally regarding your words: >"You may be suffering from >Coke-Bottleitis...an affliction found in the movie "The Gods >Must be Crazy"." I see. Thanks for giving us a glimpse of how you see the world and people who are different from you. Sorry for you. Nevertheless, All the best Joachim
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 26 Re: AURORA 1897 From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 99 12:30:14 PDT Fwd Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:09:16 -0400 Subject: Re: AURORA 1897 >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:13:08 EDT >Subject: Re: AURORA 1897 >To: updates@globalserve.net >>From: Richard D. Nolane <raynaud@total.net> >>To: <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: AURORA 1897 >>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:04:56 -0500 >And you would be absolutely right. The Aurora Crash was nothing >more than a hoax. >>But I found in Jim Marrs' "Alien Agenda" some new info about >>that case which seems a little disturbing and which throws a new >>light on the Aurora story. Jim Marrs have found and interviewed >>at the beginning of the seventies one witness present in 1897, a >>man named Charlie C. Stephens, who stated that the story of the >>crash was true. This contradicts the affirmation that all the >>very few witness found by modern researchers said that it was an >>hoax. >I too went to Aurora in the early 1970s, when I lived in Texas. >I spoke to members of the Wise County Historical Society (Aurora >being in Wise County) who said that they had inquiries about the >crash but they had no evidence that it had happened. They wished >it had because it was an interesting story. I talked to long >time residents of the area who said that it never happened. I >found no one, at that time, who could, or would confirm the >story. I did take pictures of the area. <snip> >This was a time when there were many Great Airship stories being >reported by the newspapers. One of the most famous was the >Alexander Hamilton "calfnapping," reported by so many as if it >were true. Jerry Clark, among others, has shown this story to be >a hoax. >Aurora isn't the only location where the Airship crashed, just >the most famous. Many of the stories involved foreign (as >opposed to alien) scientists who are experimenting with >airships. Some are on their way to Cuba to bomb the Spanish. Kevin is right on target. The Aurora airship crash never happened, at least in this reality (I can't speak for parallel dimensions). It's wise to keep in mind the history of spaceship-crash yarns in the 19th Century. The one at Aurora was hardly the first. These sorts of tall tales go back to at least the 1860s. I investigated a story published in an 1884 Nebraska newspaper of a crash said to have occurred in early June of that year and been witnessed by a band of cowboys. It turned out to be a newspaper correspondent's idea of a joke. At least 10 crash stories besides Aurora's appeared in the American press during the 1896-97 airship scare. They are best seen in the context of the widespreading hoaxing of the period. The Aurora yarn first appeared in the Dallas Morning News on April 19. Read in context, it's clear that it was not meant to be taken seriously. The News was playing airship stories for laughs. The day before, it printed an account of an airship which resembled a "Chinese flying dragon ... a monster breathing red fire through its nostrils." The same issue told of a sighting wherein an "eye witness" observed "three men in the ship ... singing 'Nearer My God to Thee' and ... distributing temperance tracts." Another story recounted a sighting of an airship run by a woman running something like a sewing machine. If the News thought for one moment that an alien from outer space lay in a grave within easy traveling distance, it would have dispatched its best reporter to the scene and then published any number of follow-up accounts, and we would all know for a fact -- because we'd have the immediately exhumed body -- that a Martian (or his equivalent) met his end one north-Texas spring morning in 1897. Alas, it never happened. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 26 CPR-Canada News - May 25, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:25:17 -0800 Fwd Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:28:45 -0400 Subject: CPR-Canada News - May 25, 1999 CPR-Canada News News and Updates from Circles Phenomenon Research Canada May 25, 1999 _____________________________ Briefing from the field... More new crop formations from England, including an intricate 300' circular formation with looping "scrolls" and surrounded by twenty other circles at Avebury Trusloe, Wiltshire in young green barley found on Sunday morning, May 23. The centres of the circles are beautifully laid down in a "starburst" radial type pattern. It is the most complex formation so far this year, with 17 reports logged so far (in England; from various data bases). Also two reports so far from Germany. Billionaire Laurance Rockefeller is providing new funding for continued research projects in England this summer, which has generated a whirlwind of media interest in the phenomenon again in the UK. Meanwhile, a large perfect triangle found carved in a hillside in solid rock has researchers in Croatia baffled. While not a crop circle, it is an intriguing mystery. Ilyes, the former US coordinator for CCCS, will be doing a mini-tour of crop circle presentations in Toronto and Ottawa, Ontario, on May 29 and 30. If you're in the area, be sure to check them out for her latest reports, and also get some dowsing tips! The next Fields of Dreams Lecture Series presentation by yours truly is June 21 at Barclay Manor in Vancouver. In Special Research Projects, more radar ring anomalies from the US, as well as some corresponding satellite images. Again a reminder for all Canadian subscribers to and readers of this update - if you hear of or see ANY reports of possible circles this year, please do let us know (see Reporting Guidelines on the web site). Until next time... Paul Anderson Director Circles Phenomenon Research Canada _____________________________ See the CPR-Canada web site for links to the following news stories, an archive of previous news and information on other CPR-Canada resources: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3310 _____________________________ NEWS AND REPORTS * Rockefeller Funds 1999 Crop Circle Research Projects * Latest Crop Circle Updates from England, Germany and Around the Globe * Large Mystery Triangle Found Carved in Rock in Croatia * Crop Circle Presentations by ilyes in Ontario, May 29-30 SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Radar Anomalies: Radar and Satellite Images of Rings Over the US FIELDS OF DREAMS LECTURE SERIES * Next Presentation by CPR-Canada Director Paul Anderson June 21 in Vancouver, BC _____________________________ CPR-Canada News is the e-mail update service of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada, an affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International, initiated in 1995 by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also founder and director of The Millennium Project. CPR-Canada News is published periodically, with the latest news and reports, information on CPR-Canada events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe CPR-Canada News" or "unsubscribe CPR-Canada News" and e-mail address to CPR-Canada welcomes your reports and submissions, by the tel / fax / e-mail hotlines or mail. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J Canada =A9 CPR-Canada, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: Sharon Kardol <sharon@hotmix.com.au> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:54:00 +0800 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:50:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Steve Neill Walks >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:40:25 -0700 (PDT) >Steve Neill, Renowned UFO Researcher and Artist, Quits Ufology >>From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >5-15-99 >After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct >experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO >community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that >I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently. >All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the >backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the >radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all >overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a >virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell >the truth. >The UFO 'community' is its own worst enemy. Any respect this >field might have had or been due to receive has been destroyed >by the actions of many, if not most, of the key players >involved. I say *most* involved because there are some very good >professional people in the field...but they are a relative few >and maintain low profiles for the most part. <snip> >The choice is ours. >-Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> >www.alienfx.com Dear Steve, I don't want to start an inter-continental war here, but I was curious as to whether you were referring to your experiences with the American UFO community. Being an Australian, I have to say there is very litttle if not none at all, of this destroying of characters and bitter in fighting here. Sure personalities do clash, but we have tried to unite to research as a productive unit. I wasn't aware of this mud-slinging in Ufology until I joined a few US mail lists and corresponded with American reseachers. I'm not trying to bag you 'murikans' :), just offering sympathy because it's hard enough here fighting the prejudices of the general public and govt departments, let alone fighting with those with whom you should get the most support. Hey, perhaps you should move down under? :) Good Luck where your life takes you now, and we hope you find some peace in your adventures Cheers Sharon K
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:26 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:03:27 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:02:14 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >I'm fully aware of the effects you're talking about, however >there is one thing lacking. You can't be fully aware of the effects, and logically expect a human to create them. >Has any crop circle researcher ever >created a circle themselves and objectively tested crop from >their own formation? You're kidding, right? I can think of nothing more damaging than a crop circle researcher caught stomping his or her own circles. Just imagine the headlines. While we're at it, why not have a ufologist create some ufos, just to see if the effects are the same! Tony, they routinely take control samples from outside the formations. That's plenty for a basis of comparison, where genetic, cellular, magnetic, and other changes are concerned. The water's already clear. Let's not muddy it. Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Major UFO Sightings In BC's 'Surrey Corridor' From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:10:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:10:37 -0400 Subject: Major UFO Sightings In BC's 'Surrey Corridor' Source: http://www.sightings.com/ufo3/majufo.htm Jeff Rense Major UFO Sightings In The Famous 'Surrey Corridor' In British Columbia Strange Lights Reported Over White Rock By Tom Zytaruk The Surrey Now 5-25-99 From a galaxy far, far away? White Rock appears to have enjoyed a special preview of Star Wars this past weekend, as four independent sources are claiming to have seen strange goings on in the night sky there on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. North Delta resident Graham Conway, president of UFO*BC, is quite impressed with the number of unexplained sightings. "I don,t understand what's going on," he said. "For some reason there's a lot of activity going on in White Rock. This is such a collection of such good eye witness stuff." A man reportedly ran into the Ocean Beach pub about 10 pm Friday, "stuttering like mad" that he'd seen a huge blue plasma ball cruising over Semiahmoo Bay. "He said it was monstrous," said UFO tracker Bill Oliver, of Guildford. "He was rattled big time." Whatever it was cast such a bright light it lit up the sea beneath and "apparently acted in an intelligent manner," said Conway. The thing apparently cruised over the bay, around Kwomais Point and "out of sight." Then on Saturday, the really interesting stuff began. Two young women and a girl, South Surrey residents, were at the McDonald,s restaurant on Johnston Road when they claim to have seen a huge boomerang-shaped object with eight lights on front, at about 10 pm. Shaking with fear, they watched it move "very, very slowly" for about eight seconds before it took off. Conway said the experience left the 11-year-old girl crying and one of the women, 18, so disturbed she slept with her light on the following two nights. About five minutes after that sighting two women were standing on White Rock pier when they claim to have seen a wedge-shaped object 'a flying triangle' traveling below the tree level. They watched it for about three or four minutes as it headed across the bay, away from White Rock. Then on Sunday, about 10:15 pm, Jen Pieschel and her boyfriend Kevin Pearce saw a wedge-shaped object flying over Highway 99, near the Crescent Road turnoff . They saw it had blue and red flashing lights, and then spotted an amber flash, like a flare, from a second craft. "We saw something weird," Pieschel said. "We just want to know what it was." They searched the Internet and found something like what they saw: An F-117A Nighthawk stealth bomber. Only thing is, Stealths can't hover. Or can they? The sightings this past weekend weren't the first such sights in the White Rock/South Surrey area, either. Richard Desilets of Aldergrove was near Zero Avenue and Pacific Highway earlier this year when he saw what looked like "two headlights" blinking on and off just above a set of power lines. "It sounded like a plane, like a turbine motor, but very, very quiet," he said. "It just slowly took off." In spite of the four sightings this past weekend, Transport Canada, NAVCAN, Vancouver International Airport's Traffic Control tower, Surrey and White Rock RCMP, the weather office, National Defence, and Vancouver Planetarium astronomer David Dodge either hadn't heard of anything unusual, or didn,t know what to make of it. Dodge noted though, that the US Whitby Island naval base it not far away from White Rock. "If it's a military thing, they don't keep me informed," Dodge said. Still, an official at the naval station told the NOW the wedge-shaped objects aren't theirs. "There're pretty cool, but we don't have them here," he said. The UFO*BC sightings hotline is 604-878-6511.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:26 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:10:49 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:02:14 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >I'm fully aware of the effects you're talking about, however >there is one thing lacking. You can't be fully aware of the effects, and logically expect a human to create them. >Has any crop circle researcher ever >created a circle themselves and objectively tested crop from >their own formation? You're kidding, right? I can think of nothing more damaging than a crop circle researcher caught stomping his or her own circles. Just imagine the headlines. While we're at it, why not have a ufologist create some ufos, just to see if the effects are the same! Tony, they routinely take control samples from outside the formations. That's plenty for a basis of comparison, where genetic, cellular, magnetic, and other changes are concerned. The water's already clear. Let's not muddy it. Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: Steve Neill Walks From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:36:14 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:03:32 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Steve Neill Walks >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >The meek may inherit the earth, but tigers will have a >piece of pie, too. In science fiction we say, "The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us will have gone to the stars." KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:20:36 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:42:56 -0400 Subject: Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? Forwarded from the S4 Database List. Stig *** From: "Lynda Matthews" <matthews@zetnet.co.uk> To: <rbx32@dial.pipex.com> <snip> The S4 Database List - http://area51.icom.net/ Dear All, Can anyone check this out - we've heard it all before and if the guy continues to make his claims then we'll maybe have to remind him that the ideas were on the drawing board in the 1930s - and were interrupted by WW2. Nevertheless, if this claim is genuine then it may throw new light on things.... Bye for now, Tim Matthews ---------- From: David Kingston universityof.life@virgin.net To: ted.loder@unh.edu <ted.loder@unh.edu> Cc: Date: 24 May 1999 04:23 Subject: Fwd: IBM Chairman Confirms Alien Tech? Thanks to my journalist friend Patrick McCartney for the following: From: Outlook - Tomorrow's Technology Today (UK Computer Magazine), April 1999: IBM IN 'PROJECT BLUE BOOK' UFO PROBE A theory which for years has been regarded as nothing more than the wild speculations of the lunatic fringe has, this month, been given new credibilty by Jerry Hartsell, ex-Chairman of IT giant IBM. He claims in his new autobiography that the original silicon chip tecnology, which underpinned the IT explosion of the late 20th century, was derived from a secret US government project of the late 1950s that aimed to investigate 'technology of a non-terrestrial origin'. The baffling claim has fuelled further speculation that the 'non-terrestrial technology' may have been recovered from the alleged UFO crash site at Roswell. <snip> ----------------------------------------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:32:55 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:49:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:50:51 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Anti-Semitism (and UFO denial) flourishes in ignorance, >ignorance is a result of censorship, and that would appear to >make censorship a mechanism of ignorance, Mr. Sandow. Some of >that ignorance may even be contrived. My bet is most of it's >contrived. So yes -- there may (!?!) be a "mechanism of >censorship" that hides facts about anti-Semitism (and UFOs)! I >didn't get any facts in my grammar school, high school -- and >only a bit in college. I've an open and inquiring mind, and I'm >at a loss to explain my ignorance regarding something >(anti-Semitism) that I've researched with some diligence (will >produce the paper, with references, on request). Like FOIA >requests you have to know what you're looking for before you can >find it, I suppose. As a certified public school teacher I am >poised to appreciate the shortcomings of our educational >philosophy in this regard. Ours is a school system that teaches >the midnight ride of Paul Revere, untested faith in >fictionalized founders, and a dynamic history made as boring as >the observed growth of grass. Possibly I know something about anti-semitism because I'm Jewish and live in New York City. But on the other hand, my family was entirely secular; we celebrated Christmas (well, we had a Christmas tree, anyway), and paid no attention to Jewish holidays. I don't think I learned about anti-semitism at home. In recent years, my thoughts about anti-semitism have been strongly stirred by watching "Schindler's List" (and then reading the book the movie was based on), and by visiting the Holocaust Museum in Washington, something I urge everyone with a mind and heart to do. It's sad, I'll add parenthetically, and in fact almost shocking, that we have holocaust museums in several cities, but no major museum anywhere about slavery, but that's another debate. The Holocaust Museum in Washington is a dramatic experience, one that deeply shocked and moved me, even though I'd read widely about the holocaust and related issues. Early in the '90s, I was amazed to see the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" show up (as Stan Friedman noted here) in William Cooper's book. I'd known about the "Protocols," as far as I know, all my adult life. Knowledge of them certainly wasn't part of my Jewish education, since I had none. But somewhere -- maybe from studying political science in college, with an emphasis on Russia (where the "Protocols" were forged), maybe from reading about the Nazis, maybe just from wide reading more generally about history and politics -- I'd learned about them, and had absorbed their wretched history. Seeing them crop up again in Cooper's book sent a jolt through me, I have to say. But then I'd already seen them somewhere else, somewhere that gave me an even more shocked jolt -- on tables set up on New York streets, where people sell books on African-American subjects, with an Afrocentric and often militant emphasis. Seeing the "Protocols" there really scared me, especially since I also saw copies of "The International Jew" (if I remember the title correctly), an almost equally well-known anti-semitic diatribe by no less than Henry Ford. I'd learned something by then about the unfortunate anti-semitism in the black community. I'd encountered it because I was writing about pop music, and the very famous rap group Public Enemy, whose music and politics I admired, turned out to have an outspoken anti-semitic member. He was ultimately fired from the group, but only because of strong outside protest. His public comments about Jews were truly astonishing. Sometime after that, Ice Cube, a leading rapper (with whom I'd been quite friendly in Los Angeles), got close to the Nation of Islam, and at a press conference held up a book the Nation had published, about Jews and the slave trade. My friend Bill Adler, who worked as a publicist for rap artists, was curious to know what this book might be, and unearthed a copy. He was so shocked that he xeroxed many copies, and circulated them in the music business. He also hired a scholar to write a refutation, which was needed -- because this book, a vicious essay in concentrated hate, alleged that Jews bore main responsibility for the slave trade, and claimed to prove that by only citing Jewish sources! It turns out, of course, that the Jewish sources were all misrepresented, but the main point was that the book exists, and that despite Louis Farrakhan's public disclaimers, his group is deeply, horribly anti-semitic, and that doubtless there are some fair number of people in the black community who agree with him. That's why seeing the "Protocols" for sale with other, much more responsible black literature dismayed and frightened me. Here was anti-semitism come to light, rearing its head right on the streets I walked down every day. This may seem like a long, discursive, and perhaps not quite relevant comment on Alfred Lehmberg's latest entry in our debate, but I'm giving lots of details to clarify two further points that he raised. >Where did _you_ first hear about them? You imply that you were >unaware of them yourself. Were you reminded of them as a result >of the Rense brou-ha, and compelled to look up their history? >Perhaps you owe Mr. Rense a modicum of thanks in your own right. I was, as I've just explained, very much aware of the "Protocols" before this Rense stuff started. I knew their history, but hadn't reviewed it for 20 years, to take a wild stab at how long it's been. Besides, Jeff had posted something about needing more investigation. So I wondered if there might be something in the Columbia Encyclopedia, which sits on one of my bookshelves. That's my first stop for any reference question outside pop music (which isn't well covered there). Turns out there was a reasonably detailed entry, which told me that my memory of the history of the "Protocols" was correct. It also gave me an opportunity to post that history here, for Jeff Rense's information (since he'd called for an investigation), and also for the benefit of anybody else here who wondered what the story was. I've already said that I don't know exactly where I heard about the "Protocols." It's my experience that people of my generation (I'm about to turn 56) tend to know about them, at least if they read widely about history. I understand that not all people know the same things, and that I'm ignorant of many things other people know about. But to some extent this whole debate baffles me, because I've known about the "Protocols" for as long as I can remember. I'm not saying that others are ignorant because they don't know about them, only that I might possibly be at a disadvantage here because they're so familiar to me. Of course, when Alfred Lehmberg responded to my tongue in cheek post about Russian conspiracy theories, he said my quote (of a remark made by Zhirinovsky, a Russian nationalist extremist) was quite arcane. To me, it was more like common knowledge, because I found it in a front-page story that had just appeared in the New York Times. So maybe here we have a difference -- with no blame on either side -- for some of the differences in our reaction to this Jeff Rense issue. I really do read the New York Times every day (or most days, anyway). I imagine that anyone else who's done that for 40 or more years, as I have (and who reads the Times Book Review on Sundays) would run across some mention of the "Protocols" at some point. Again, I'm not patting myself on the back for this. I'm just saying where I get some of my information. The Times covers a lot of ground, and if you read it regularly, you tend to accumulate a lot of information. The "Protocols" might have entered my mind at some point because the Times had reason to describe them and their history. >Anything providing me data I >was ignorant of is preferable to anything I seem to get from Dan >Rather. You prefer your pap pre-digested by officious talking >heads (Perhaps assume that role yourself?) and I do not. My >admonition to Mr. Goldstein was to widen his field of view, not >dote on Mr. Rense as the sole fount of his informational acumen. >I fold my arms at your unclever misdirection, simultaneously >rolling my eyes skyward at the proud sneer present in your >preceding question. The question is all the news that _fits_, >not all the news that's fit. For what it's worth (and leaving aside the offensive tone of the above) , I almost never watch TV network news. As I mentioned earlier, I read the New York Times most days. If Mr. Lehmberg wants to sneer (proudly?) at that newspaper, he might tell us how often he reads it. If he hasn't read it, he might be in for a surprise. Each day I also read the New York Daily News, our best tabloid, so I can learn some things the Times isn't telling me, particularly about life in New York City. I often also read the Wall Street Journal, one of the very best sources for anyone who wants to learn about the seamy underside of business. And then, because I don't fully trust establishment media, I read alternative sources. I think, generally, that the establishment media mislead by omission, not by commission. That is, what they say is usually accurate. It's what they don't talk about that can be troublesome. (Though there are exceptions to this. Coverage of UFOs is obviously an example. After my recent visit to Cuba -- and after doing some reasonably thorough reading about Cuban history and current affairs, from both scholarly and journalistic writers -- I've come to feel that casual coverage of Cuba, at least when the baseball game between the Orioles and the Cuban team happened, is another subject where the information printed can be misleading. But that's another story.) What alternative sources are useful? Well, in the past, I've read various left-wing magazines, since my politics are left -- the Nation, for instance, or Monthly Review (a venerable journal of socialist economics). In New York we also have the Village Voice, an alternative weekly that publishes all sorts of news the NY Times won't touch, and also for years has had a column that monitors the Times. Reading that column has been very helpful in sorting out what I can trust in the Times, and what I can't. More recently I've gotten weary of the left, which seems moribund these days. And so I tend to read the New York Review of Books. Each issue is like a year in college -- deep scholarly looks at a multitude of subjects, along with political articles which very definitely say things that aren't in the establishment press. I'm also lucky to do volunteer work, reading to a blind sociology professor. He reads political books and magazines, and I learn a lot from that. I also read books on my own -- and, everyone, please forgive me if this sounds self-righteous, or merely boring, but there really is a point to it. The point is this. Between network news on one side, and Jeff Rense on the other (along with other websites), there's quite a lot of information available, much of which doesn't support the "pap" (good word, Mr. L.) we get from Dan Rather and the like. This information tends to be readily available -- not, maybe, on newstands in mid-America, but in libraries, and certainly in major cities. To quote an old phrase, it's "hidden in plain sight." If you want to know what's going on that the networks don't tell you (public TV is even worse, in my opinion, but that too is another story), you won't have trouble finding it, not if you really look. To give an extreme example, the Communist Party has a bookstore two blocks from my apartment. If I want a viewpoint very different from the New York Times, I can just take a short walk. So...while I don't want to be critical, I don't know (returning to Mr. L's opening remarks) what to do with somebody who wants to learn about anti-semitism but can't find the information. There are books on it. There are organizations dedicated to fighting it (the Anti-Defamation League, the Simon Wiesenthal Center). The Holocaust Museum has exhibits devoted to it. There may well be magazines and scholarly journals about it. Regular reading of the New York Times and the New York Review of Books will uncover information on it. Yes, schools should teach about it (my own elementary school did), but then schools should also teach more about science, about classical music, about jazz and blues, about black and Latino history, a world of subjects. (At least they all, at least around here, celebrate Kwanzaa each holiday season!) But if we think we don't know enough -- and which of us does? -- why don't we dedicate ourselves to reading books and magazines, strongly critical of the established order, which are already out there? >>Which means he didn't know that they'd been investigated >>generations ago. He wasn't fighting censorship to bring us >>important information about anti-semitism. He just made a >>mistake, and linked to anti-semitic trash without knowing what it >>was. Now we're getting this retroactive gloss, when we're asked >>to believe that Rense has done us all a great educational favor, >>and that his motive all along was to expose the anti-semitic >>horror. No way. >So -- what are we left with here, Jeff Rense is an ignorant >anti-Semite who provides nothing but a misdirecting, >UFO-credibility-damaging obfuscation as a result of his web-site >and radio program? I'll see your "no way," and call. If Rense >was in this game -- I bet he'd raise. That's utterly ridiculous. I said no such thing. If I may quote the very words the careless Mr. L cited before so badly misrepresenting them, I said that Jeff Rense "just made a mistake." That hardly makes him ignorant or an anti-semite. Nor does it mean he provides "nothing" but "obfuscation." If this is an example of how Mr. L. deals with data right before his eyes -- data he's even willing to share with us -- then I'm not surprised at anything he says about conspiracies. To repeat: I said, in what looks to me like plain English, that Jeff Rense made a mistake, and that then, instead of admitting it, he tried to cover his ass, with a little help from some of his friends. That, too, is not exactly a crime against humanity. Can we keep a sense of proportion about all this? Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Chat with Diane Harrison From: Jerry Kosiba <jerrykosiba@netscape.net> Date: 26 May 99 07:42:23 MDT Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:55:10 -0400 Subject: Chat with Diane Harrison UFOs in Australia Chat with Diane Harrison Australian UFO Researcher Saturday May 29th at 6:00 pm PT (US) (Sunday May 30th at 10:00 am Australian Time) Australia has made it's mark in the field of Ufology with incidents such as the multiple abductees case of Kelly Cahill. Diane Harrison - Director of several key organizations in Australia will join the UFO Community on MSN to discuss current investigations and little known cases. We've set the time for this chat so that Australians, Americans and Europeans can all meet together to learn from each other. Find out just what is buzzing the skies down under. Diane's motto: Sharing is Caring and if you do care you will share all you know about the UFO phenomena.. Join us on Saturday May 29th at 6:00 pm PT (US) (Sunday May 30th at 10:00 am Australian Time) http://communities.msn.com/UFO (follow the CHAT link at this URL for instructions on how to access our free chat room) The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The chat server name is irc.msn.com port 6667 and the room or channel name is #briefing. Our chat room is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for discussion relating to any UFO issues. ***UFO Community on MSN*** http://communities.msn.com/UFO Diana Botsford, Managing Editor
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:35:11 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Tue, 25 May 99 12:09:58 PDT >>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:15:23 EDT >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>To: updates@globalserve.net > >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT >> > >Hi, Greg, > >>Do you believe governments are covering up information about >>UFOs? I do. Does that make me paranoid, or a conspiricy >>theorist? If I worry more about it, does that qualify me for one >>or both of those titles? If I take a less concerned stance, do I >>not run the risk of being caught unprepared should all this >>stuff turn out to be true? >Suspecting that a few agencies of the U.S. government are >concealing UFO secrets -- an entirely reasonable position -- >>>>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>>>conspiracy. >>>>>Precisely. It would appear that you want to have it both ways, sir. <not an affectation but a sincere expression of respect. I owe everyone initial respect.>You seem to _admit_ to the tips of some very dirty 'bergs. >is not the same as believing in vast, sinister conspiracies. In as much as there is no real forthcoming way to know the breadth and scope of the conspiracy you _admit_ to, your preceding statement is meaningless, isn't it? >Of course all governments keep secrets; I believe you and I think it _may_ be possible to that this prerogative has been _richly_ abused. >that they participate in >vast, sinister, international, all-encompassing satanic plots >is quite another matter. A leap to the absurd, sir. Benjamin Disraeli, an early empire era British Prime Minister, wrote "The most powerful men are not public men: a public man is responsible, and a responsible man is a slave. It is private life that governs the world." That private life has a frontier that you and I, motes of consciousness without any real significance, and hearing only what they tell us, have no real opportunity to appreciate. There is _room_, certainly, even for an unlikely Satanic plot. _You_ can't know. >For the difference between sane >speculation on one side and mad fantasy on the other, just think >of Donald Keyhoe as representing the former and the Dark Siders >(Cooper, Lear, English, et al.) the latter. A division forgetting, for a moment, how the latter can gain, maintain, and keep the popular attention, while the former languishes in amused and unfounded ridicule. What's the mechanism of that, sir? I'm sure the answer would surprise both of us. >>Lets examine some hot topics: All over America, government >>troops are staging mock assaults from helicopters at night, >>frightening the hell out of civilians. How SHOULD we interpret >>these events? The military has shown little or no regard for the >>people they scare. It's all done for training, they >>say....sorry. Excuse me, but I thought the military already had >>places set aside for this type of thing. By holding these >>exercises in civilian areas, they are exposing the populace to >>undue hazard, particularly in light of the military's recent >>safety record. They act secretive. They scare people. They don't >>care. Doesn't this concern you at all? Frankly, it is suggestive >>to me of an ulterior motive, and I don't think one has to be >>paraniod to see it. At the very LEAST, it ought to raise serious >>questions. Remember, the activity I've just described IS >>occuring...its' reality is not open to debate. >I don't know the relevance of this to conspiracy speculation. In an era of decreasing privacy, institutionalized erosions of civil liberties, and pervasive aggressions of a fundamentalist right there is a concern that there _may_ be those that cooperate to some *profitable* advantage in the continuance of these things. In a condition of respectful forthcomingness from media, government, and religion there would be _none_ of these concerns. People smell smoke (for _whatever_ reason) -- it cannot be a surprise that _some_ of them (yourself perhaps?) suspect fire. >If you feel personally threatened, bothered, or irritated by >this, I urge you to contact your Congress member and share >your concerns with him or her. ROTFL. The land of "disapproved -- resubmit in thirty days for final disapproval." Truly, the last dismissive advice of a scoundrel. <g>. >>Another topic is the contrails. I will confess that this whole >>thing is out of control. Some people are now suspicious of >>everything that flies over. It's only a matter of time before >>bird droppings are suspected of containing biological or >>chemical agents. But again, I must confess to having noted some >>unusual activity up there, not consistent with that which I have >>observed in the past. Some of the pictures I've seen, and >>stories I've read do sound unusual. By the same token, my father >>is all but hysterical over this subject. I tried to explain to >>him about moisture content at altitude, and temperature >>differences, and why one may see no contrails one day, and a >>plethora the next. He won't hear of it, and looks insulted. >Contrails are the latest fad on the far right, perhaps soon to >replace black helicopters as something to keep conspiracists up >at night, weaponry in hand. And all of them basted in an ignorance that you won't cop to the mechanisms for; all of them smelling smoke easily blown away by a forthcoming unprevaricating breeze. >A website I checked the other day > is run by sober conservative >monitors uh-huh. >of far-right paranoia. They understand that far-right >paranoia may be confused with genuine conservatism, to the >latter's detriment (they remind me of serious ufologists who >monitor and critique saucerdom's fringes). . . . While forgetting to question the genesis and maintenence of those fringes. I would speculate that on your speaking engagements you observe the squalid commercialism (that fans any interest in your own work) in a more forgiving light. How's the air up there in your ivory tower? A little thin I'll bet. Could it be you are just another elitist dismissing your supporting rabble? I sure hope not -- they're enough of those guys in the skeptibunky legions. >They looked into the >background of the contrails claims, demonstrated that they have >virtually no evidential basis, and characterized them as a new >urban legend. The accepted party line having been dispensed, hailed as credible for assimilation and accreditation -- I assume we can all fold our tents and go home. Woof. What a relief! The enigmatic nightmare is over! Thank you Mr. Clark! >This conclusion is predictable, of course; these >things do tend to collapse under scrutiny. And then there are the things not collapsing so easily. I'll leave the reader to fill in the blanks of what those things are. Some are outlined in the writings of Dr. Keyhoe, Stanton Friedman, or David Rudiac. Assuming these gentlemen are labeled "light siders" over "dark siders." >Just as predictably, >the far right will reject them and accuse the critics (as I was >accused in private e-mail last week) of being "arrogant >socialist one-world do-gooder liberals" answerable to "CIA >handlers." Boy -- wish _I_ got mail that kindhearted! <g>. >>Where do I draw the line? Where do you? >I try to keep this principle in mind: the real world is bad >enough. The real world is a lot badder than you know. "Enough" is just wishful thinking. >It doesn't need lurid imagination and unconstrained >paranoia to make it seem even worse. "Lurid imaginations" and "unconstrained paranoias" easily dissipated in a nonexistent wind of forthcomingness. >If this world is going to >be a decent place for human beings to live in and on, we'd >better address our _real_ problems. AMEN TO THAT! You see, sir! We _can_ agree! >Going off in flights of >fantasy about pretend problems is not an option wise persons >will elect to pursue. Uh oh -- what's a "flight of fantasy"? Further difficulty -- which of the problems are pretend? Geez! What *options* do we have? Finally, where are we inarguably wise? You're right, sir. We do inhabit different realities, forgetting (for a moment) that Heisenburg, Freud, and Einstein made that abundantly clear about everyone. Indeed -- it's the source of our strength. You could use a little more angry bile, sir, and a little less righteous condescension. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:08:59 -0400 Subject: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? Gentle listfolk: The new (Spring) issue of International UFO Reporter, the quarterly magazine of the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS), has just been released. It is one of the most important issues ever, in my judgment as longtime editor. The lead article is a long piece by the highly regarded Australian ufologist Bill Chalker, a chemist by profession, documenting his investigation of an abduction case with sexual overtones. The incident turns out to be more than just another intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's something every ufologist should read. But that's not all. The same issue carries important papers by Mark Cashman and Thomas E. Bullard. Cashman takes a careful look at a fascinating but heretofore neglection question -- the reported activities of UFO entities (what do they do? what don't they do?) -- and offers striking original insights in "Behavioral Classification System for UFO Occupants." In "Abductions and Researcher Bias: How to Lose Your Way," Bullard refutes critics such as Martin Kottmeyer and Philip J. Klass who would have us believe that abductee testimony mirrors the biases of abduction investigators. A yearly subscription to IUR is available for $25. Outside the United States, it's $30. CUFOS needs your help, and in return you'll be getting the best research by the finest researchers worldwide. Write to CUFOS at 2457 West Peterson Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60659. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:03:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:16:37 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:38:42 EDT >S>ubject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >>>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:31 -0400 >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May >1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On >Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net>> >>Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn >>by charged-particle beams from satellites? >>It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing >>how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could >>control a beam from an altitude of a few hundred miles.> >>>BIG problem... for anyone conjecturing about charged particle >>>beams making Agriglyphs...... >>>There are no charged particle beams in space.... at least not >on >>_our_ (made by humans) satellites.... and even if there >were >>they wouldn't be able to penetrate the atmosphere with >any power >>source that would be available in the near future >(charged >>particle beams are "eaten up" by the atmosphere) >Thanks, Bruce, for explaining the absorption of charged >particles by our atmosphere. (Shades of aurora borealis!) I >defer to your knowledge.> >However, my question was re-posted to another forum, and I was >sent by a non-subscriber an interesting article that was >published nearly 10 years ago that suggests SDI UV lasers could >account for the type of effects observed in crop circles. I will >excerpt just enough of it here to perhaps pique your curiosity:> >"December 16, 1990 >The concepts in this document are based on known and current >technologies and capabilities as extrapolated by Jerry Decker, >Cheyenne Turner, Ron Barker, Chuck Henderson, and brought up in >discussions with various other associates of KeelyNet and Vangard >Sciences.> ><snip description of crop circles> >"Since the inception of SDI (the Star Wars program), Man has had >the capability of projecting high-intensity laser beams >followed immediately by EXTREMELY high electrical charges aimed >at targets on the planet. TRUE but only for targets on earth's surface where the monster sized high lower laser and associated particle beam accelerator reside. As I recall, the "distance record" for transmitting a particle beam through the atmosphere is a few meters. GRANTED the beam would go farther in th rarified atmosphere miles up.... but. to reach the ground still requires the beam to go many kilometers through the dense atmosphere. Also, this would require BOTH a particle beam generator and a very high power laser to be on a satellite togther. TRUE...this was THOUGHT ABOUT during the SDI program But PAPER IS CHEAP...and the designs were on paper! >"SDI uses very high-intensity lasers (EXCIMER LASERS) to >generate and project these beams of UltraViolet light. High- i>ntensity UV light cohered into laser beams IONIZES the air t>hrough which the beam passes thus creating a conducting path.> >"How Star Wars works >The idea is : >1) to build up a very high electrical charge in the satellite, I presume this refers to the particle accelerator >2) target a structure from space using a weak UV laser Perhaps >3) increase the amplitude of the UV laser beam until a highly >ionized path is created from the satellite to the target Definitely.... VERY HIGH POWER NEEDED (Gigawatts? there are no such lasers in space) >4) this ionized path acts as an electrical conductor much like >a wire being thrown from the satellite to the target Yes, sort of >5) the electrical energy is then transferred to the laser >beam path which passes the artificial "lightning" to the target Yes >6) as the electrical energy passes into the target, the >molecules are electrostatically repelled with explosive >velocities causing the target to explode.> Rather, the target is heated by the onrushing electrons and, if crops, would likely be burned (imagine getting hit by lightning..... which heats the fluid in trees so rapidly that the steam pressure builds and causes a tree to explode.... and perhaps catch on fire) SNIP a lot of "wishful thinking" which reminds me, a LITTLE knowledge is a dangerous\ thing. >"The intriguing thing about the crop circles is that to date, >ALL sightings PRIOR to the SDI project; NEVER involved >complex geometries or patterns beyond a circle shape." So what? ><snip a proposal to detect UV laser beams and a > gratuitous swipe at UFO study> >I don't wish to clutter up UFO UpDates with an extended >discussion of crop circles, but I do find the SDI explanation >very interesting compared to some of the New Age and >extraterrestrial explanations.> >Bruce, if you can knock this information down as easily as you >did the idea of charged-particle beams, I will retire from this >discussion and let others speculate about crop circles. Retirement time,. No big lasers in space. No particle beams in space.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Crop Circle Research From: Nancy Talbott <address withheld> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:32:52 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:33:05 -0400 Subject: Crop Circle Research [Non-subscriber Post] Sirs: A friend recently sent me parts of a number of emails from UFO UpDates discussing, apparently, the physical abnormalities found in crop circle plants and soils by the BLT Research Team. In particular, a question from a Tony Spurrier asking about control studies. Yes, control studies have been conducted; BLT has made circles with feet, planks & rope,and cement rollers, then sampled the crop as we normally do to look for the regularly-found plant anomalies. We did _not_ find (1) node elongation of the plant stems, (2) expulsion cavities at the nodes of plant stems, (3) altered redox ratios (measurements of mitochondrial respiration rates), or (4) altered germination characteristics in the downed plants when compared with controls taken elsewhere in the test fields. We DID observe node bending, up to 45 degrees at 3 weeks after making the circles, when circles were made in young, vigorously growing wheat; since node bending can also occur in the "real McCoy," this study indicated that such node bending cannot be considered significant _unless_ one knows how old the crop was at the time the formation occurred, and fairly exactly _when_ it was madel--so that one can distinguish between node bending due to phototropism/gravitropism and the causative eneregy system. Another finding obtained from time to time with crop circles is what we call the "spillover" effect, where plant (and also soil) changes are found extending out into the standing crop outside the visible downed confines of the 'circle'. In our control studies we did _not_ observe this finding either, altho in many cases in several countries we have observed this spillover effect extending up to 300' outside the downed crop area, and in some cases these effects decreasing in degree as a function of sampling distance away from the edge of the downed crop out into the field (in accordance with the well-known Beer-Lambert Principle in physics, which describes the absorption of EM energies by matter). Furthermore, the contention which has been raised by some individuals, that downed crop is the result of over-fertilization and subsequent rain or weather damage (so-called "lodging") has also been examined in a control study we conducted in Maryland in 1997. One test plot was over-fertilized 100%, the other left as the farmer had fertilized it; this was wheat, for commercial harvest. Again, none of the normally observed physical alterations in the plants were obtained in the man-made circles (which were constructed during the early, mid and later growth stages) _except_ for the node bending effect, which was most significant in the young wheat. There was absolutely no weather damage observed in this particular control study, even though the test strip was 100% over-fertilized and there were severe storms throughout the growing season. We do, however, believe that "lodging" does occur in heavily over-fertilized areas of the field (areas where tractors turn around and accidentally drop and re-fertilize the turning areas), particularly at the edges of fields.... However we would guess that this situation occurs much less often than many farmers seem to think. We _do_ observe randomly downed crop (non-geometric "crop circles") in _many_ cases to exhibit the same plant abnormalities as those discovered in many crop circles. We have tested many randomly-downed (or "chaotically-downed") areas of crop, both by themselves and in conjunction with the "geometric" circles, often finding the same types of changes observed in the geometric circles, but usually to a more severe degree: node elongation, for instance, in the geometrically-downed areas seldom exceeds 100%; in randomly-downed crop sampled in Maryland and elsewhere we have found node length changes in excess of 200%.....same sorts of differences in expulsion cavity incidence and other parameters. Hope the above helps clear up Mr. Spurrier's questions....if people are interested in learning about the work done by BLT they can reach our office by fax (617/492-0414) or phone (617/492-0415) or by mail: BLT Research, Box 400127, Cambridge, MA 02140, USA. Unfortunately I don't have the time to answer all e-mails. Please do not post my email address. Sincerely, Nancy Talbott Field Research Coordinator BLT Research Team Inc.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:08:29 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:09:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:31 -0300 >>Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:25:21 -0500 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >>Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >>To no one in particular: >>There are two items (which isn't to say there aren't more) of >>which ufology must seriously and finally disabuse itself if it >>ever hopes to gain the widespread scientific support it so >>eagerly and allegedly seeks. >>The first of these is the notion that some sort of >>comprehensive, coordinated, air-tight conspiracy is in place now >>and has always been. That is, that MJ-12, or something very >>similar to same, exists, and has somehow been able to cover up >>the "truth" worldwide for nigh on half a century. Such a notion >>is absurd on its face. >>The second absurd assumption, also taken for granted by many >>ufologists, portrays a world besieged by a massive invasion of >>human-abducting, sperm-sucking, egg-extracting aliens, 3-4 >>million, by some accounts, in this country alone. >>Stand back from both of these "claims" for just a minute or two >>and see if the patent absurdity of both doesn't wash over you >>like a breath of fresh, reinvigorating air. >>Common sense tells you that neither assertion has a hope of >>being true. >>That's right, simple common sense. Has everyone forgotten what >>common sense is _for_? >>Or is it something that we're all supposed to check at the UFO >>front door? And then wonder why the scientific community isn't >>overly eager to do the same? >>What _were_ you people thinking? >Common sense and paying attention to what information is >available about keeping secrets says you are blowing in the >wind. Nobody says the secret keeping "conspiracy" was air tight. >Look at the loads of information around. But notice how little >TOP SECRET or compartmented information has been releasd about >UFOs. Blue Book Special Report 14 covers 3201 signtings.. but >none that were highly classsified. Are you forgetting that data >obtained by ADC, NSA, NRO,DIA etc is born classified?.For >example, there is little published about UFO flights over >nuclear weapons storage areas. Stanton, If I'm blowing in the wind, so are you. Note that my original post referred to a _worldwide_ cover up. Orchestrated by who and how? You haven't got a clue because there ain't no such animal, no matter how the US classifies or comparmentalizes its own information. You missed the point completely, which doesn't wholly surprise me. >It is interesting that there was nothing published about the >enigma code-breaking work so vital to winning WW 2 for 30 years, >though 12,000 people were involved!. There was nothing published >about the Corona reconaissance satellites launched from 1960 on, >until more than 30 years later even though there were almost a >dozen failures to begin with and even though thousands of people >were involved. The NRO was established by a TOP SECRET Executive >Order in 1962. There was nothing in public for well over a >decade..Annual Budget estimated at $8Billion. The DCI admitted >to a black budget of 26.6 Billon dollars a couple of years back. >Do you really think nothing can be kept secret?. You just mentioned several highly classified things that _weren't_ keep secret (or were subsequently revealed in an unambiguous fashion) and then asked me if anything could be kept secret. There's your answer right there. In effect, no. Kept secret for awhile, yes, no one disputes that; kept secret forever, no way. You forget that the Manhattan Project was infiltrated early on. You forget that the Chinese just walked away with virtually every nuclear secret in our arsenal. You forget that there were only 15 copies of the Pentagon Papers -- and one of them wound up being published in the NY Times. You forget that Corona, MK-ULTRA, and the NRO have now all been made public. So what secret(s) _is_ being kept to this very day? UFOs, of course, because that conveniently suits your career on the lecture circuit. And what has been leaked? There is not one convincing, unambiguous document that would lead anyone to believe that anything remotely resembling MJ-12 exists in any form or fashion _in this day and age_. >Common sense tells us that based on the history of successful >secrecy over the past 60 years, and the arrogance of press >people who think that if something were happening, they would >know about it, that of course secrets can be kept.. Where have >you been? How much time did you spend working on highly >classified programs.? I hate to use the old refrain, but >absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence for absence. >Stan Friedman (Gone until June 2) What "successful secrecy"? I hate to use an equally old refrain, but all of the previous highly classified, supersecret programs you mentioned are now widely known, if only in generalities as opposed to specifics. Where's our UFO whistleblower? Tim Cooper? To laugh. Richard Doty? To laugh. As for "absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence for absence," you've dined out on that canard long enough, up to and including the free spaghetti you're eating in San Marino, Italy, this week. (Hope you showed them those tired NSA slides of yours.) It's your theme song, something you sing everytime someone asks you where your evidence is. When cornered with bad, dubious or duplicitous evidence you trot it out like a mantra, like a pit bull promoting Taco Bell. Where was Kent Lorenzo's negative Roswell testimony in any of your books or writings? Yet you apparently talked to him as early as 1992, but didn't like what he had to say (NOT!) about alien bodies at Roswell, did you? Where's any mention in your books and writings about the negative findings Tom Deuley and I turned up about the alleged El Indio-Guerrero crash mentioned in the patently spurious MJ-12 briefing? Missing in action, aren't they, although I'm sure Deuley's kept you well informed about our three visits to the area? So who's keeping secrets here? Seems you're keeping some of your own, Stan, especially those that go against your argument. Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 Updates On Recent Norteastern Ontario Reports From: Michel M. Deschamps <ufoman@ican.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:04:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:58:23 -0400 Subject: Updates On Recent Norteastern Ontario Reports 1999 UFO Sightings (update) Here is a list of the latest sightings from Norteastern Ontario that were reported to me. Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 Location: Blind River, Ontario A woman from Algoma Mills (7 miles from Blind River) had a close encounter while driving towards Blind River, where she was going to pick up her daughter at the local Tim Horton's. The time was approximately 11:20 p.m. When she got within =BD mile from Blind River, she saw an object lifting off from behind some trees at an RV trailer lot, near the shores of Lake Huron. She described it as cigar-shaped and red and white in colour. When she saw it lift up above the treeline, she pulled right over so that she could get out and watch. But when the object started coming over the highway, she decided to stay in the car. The object was "as long as one treeline to the other" (wider than the highway). She sat there and watched as it came right over her car which, at that point, began to vibrate. That's when she hit the gas, she said, because "she just wanted to get out of there." At that moment, that's when it (the object) took off in a split second. It went right over the hospital and flew away in a northerly direction. A woman who had reported other encounters before, went to check the site and found no physical trace of any kind. Two nights prior, on Monday, March 22, in the early hours of the morning, she said she woke up and heard a loud hum in her house. She went running to her daughter's room, woke her up, and both were in a panic state. She said she kind of knew what it was, but didn't want to go outside and look. Then the hum went away. Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 Location: Ironbridge, Ontario Two women going for a walk at about 10:00 p.m. (Ironbridge 12 miles west of Blind River) reported they saw a bright, bright light in the bush and they didn't want to stay any longer. They got scared because it was "too...too bright for a normal light." They just took off out of there. Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 Location: Garson, Ontario A former Falconbridge worker and his wife (from Dowling, Ontario) were driving back from Garson when they spotted an object in the sky, moving in a north-northeasterly direction. The time was approximately 9 p.m. and the sky was a bit cloudy. At first, the woman thought it was the moon. But at the time, the moon was in the southern sky and had a thin crescent shape. The object was described as a last-quarter moon with the tips squared off, and yellow in colour. It was seen for about 12 - 30 seconds before it moved away from them. Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 Location: Val Caron, Ontario On the evening of April 13th, a Sudbury resident who works for a maintenance company and a fellow worker saw a strange sight while on their way to Hanmer. The time was approximately 9:45 p.m. when they approached the top of the hill in Val Caron from which there is an excellent view of the valley. At that moment, they saw a blue, ball-shaped light with a flaming tail on it moving across the sky. At first, they thought it was a meteor, but the fire tail suddenly went out and the object flashed brightly three times before disappearing. The witness said that the "object was going too fast to be a plane, and yet too slow to be a meteor or shooting star." He also said that it left a trail of smoke behind, which meant that it was in the atmosphere. He said: "It was very close to the ground, maybe a couple of hundred feet up. Three cars in front of us seen it also and slammed on the breaks." They reported their sighting to the airport and a local radio station, but the people there hadn't seen or heard anything about it. Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 Location: Sudbury, Ontario At around 5:50 a.m., a Sudbury resident was driving her husband to work when she saw a fluorescent green object in the western sky which moved with great speed (about 1 - 2 seconds). At first, she thought it could have been a comet; it was round-shaped at the head with a short vapour trail. It was half the size of the moon and was travelling west to north, in the area of the sky above Memorial Hospital. She said "it happened so quickly, but was so impressive." Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 Location: Dowling, Ontario A Dowling resident reported to me that at around 6:10 p.m., his wife was looking through the kitchen window to the north and saw a disk-shaped object, silver in colour, with the sun reflecting off its surface. It looked to be a little over halfway up in the sky, moving from west to east. It then went behind a cloud and disappeared. She kept looking, hoping to see it again but never did. Then, at around 6:30 p.m., her husband noticed something in the same part of the sky but further away. He described it as a round object, very dull in colour, again moving from west to east. The size looked to be about that of an old 5-cent piece (smaller than a dime) at arm's length. It also disappeared behind the clouds. He waited and watched for it, but never saw it again. The weather was clear, the sun was still out and the clouds were thin. He could clearly see it with the naked eye. "It was no plane, no helicopter, no bird and no weather balloon," he said. But he's not sure what it was. Michel M. Deschamps MUFON's Provincial Section Director for Sudbury, Ontario UFO Researcher/Historian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 ELFIS Issue 9 part 2 From: Stephen MILES Lewis <elfis@io.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:49:18 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:53:37 -0400 Subject: ELFIS Issue 9 part 2 Greetings ELFISionados! Installment 2 of Issue 9 is up! So what's new, besides everything? http://www.elfis.net/ELFOL9/ In RANTS and REVIEWS http://www.elfis.net/RnR/ Castaneda's been gone for a year, and Mr. Baggins finally gets a little processing done http://www.elfis.net/RnR/baggCast.htm Jay Bremyer shares his thoughts on two subjects of interest: PKD and the VALIS phenomenon http://www.elfis.net/RnR/jbVALIS.htm and his take on the Millennial JitterBug http://www.elfis.net/RnR/jbremY2K.htm a dose of Practical Paganism from Thom Laaki in "The Goddess, The Aliens and the Fall of Atlantis" http://www.elfis.net/RnR/tlgoddess.htm and....BLIMEY! It's Smiles' first report from the Otherworld Realities conference in London! http://www.elfis.net/RnR/smlotw.htm complete with abstracts of all the papers and presenter bios! http://www.elfis.net/RnR/absbio.htm In RESEARCHER DIALOGUE http://www.elfis.net/RD/ Mr. Baggins weighs in with a question of his own: "Do we REALLY want The Truth?" http://www.elfis.net/RD/RD9/bagg.htm and SMiles Lewis sez: "Hell, yes! We're being prepared!" http://www.elfis.net/RD/RD9/smle.htm Coming soon: an end to some of those pesky "Pardon Our Growth" signs....we've been busy! Happy surfing! Byron editor SMiles of ELFIS mailto:elfis@io.com ELFIS LIST - http://www.elfis.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 27 UFO UpDates Seti Team webpage From: Adam Lowe <spookyfox@freeuk.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:42:56 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:48:33 -0400 Subject: UFO UpDates Seti Team webpage Hi Errol and list. I have thrown up a quick webpage about the UFO UpDates Seti@home team. The address is: http://www.spookyfox.freeuk.com It is only very basic at the moment but we are working on adding graphics. John Tenney is going to design some graphics for us but any and all contributions are welcome. I'm not a very accomplished webpage designer so if anyone can design a more advanced site please go ahead. For now the information I want from team members, if they want to be included on the webpage, are their names, country, computer(s) that the program is run on and their permission to have an email link to their name. Please reply to me directly and I'll update the page as often as possible. Adam.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:35:33 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:04:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:32:55 -0400 >>Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:50:51 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy <snip> >To repeat: I said, in what looks to me like plain English, that >Jeff Rense made a mistake, and that then, instead of admitting >it, he tried to cover his ass, with a little help from some of >his friends. That, too, is not exactly a crime against humanity. There are words, and then there are the spaces between those words and the lines of words. Your plain english here continues to paint Mr. Rense as a dissembling charlatan bereft of the ethical foundation necessary to do credible work, and seems to paint me as a desultory worshiper in in his equally odious and unthinking coterie. Both treatments lack scope, fairness, and accuracy. All of the paranormal AM radio people walk a fine and spongy line, to be sure. Mr. Rense; however, seems to manage to keep his feet on the ground, his cognition functioning, and his eyes clear. Further, Mr. Rense seems to work as hard as anyone to provide an intelligent forum for the discussion of the most startling occurrences and mysteries of our time. Labeling him as an "ass-coverer" with equally dissembling friends belies completely the contributions that he has made to pulling the culturally affixed scales from our eyes of rational sensibility. >Can we keep a sense of proportion about all this? That's what _I'm_ trying for. It is difficult to do while wallowing in the mires of institutional prevarication, creeping cultural rot, and the ambivalent (and likely convenient) abject avoidance of a cogent anomalous. I think you would have to agree. The link to the protocols, as was my understanding, was provided by a Rabbi, after all. The link is buffered with learned and referenced comments belying the authenticity of the protocols, and (providing same) even displays an entry from yourself. Where is the lack of balance and proportion in this? Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 27 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 99 08:44:41 PDT Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:11:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:35:11 -0500 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>Date: Tue, 25 May 99 12:09:58 PDT >>>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >>>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:15:23 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT >> >>Suspecting that a few agencies of the U.S. government are >>concealing UFO secrets -- an entirely reasonable position -- >>>>>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>>>>conspiracy. >>>>>>Precisely. >It would appear that you want to have it both ways, sir. <not an >affectation but a sincere expression of respect. I owe everyone >initial respect.>You seem to _admit_ to the tips of some very >dirty 'bergs. I confess that with each passing posting, I understand less and less of what you're trying to say. Recently, you seemed to argue that because you'd never heard of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (which I first learned of when I was in high school, while reading a book on political extremism and conspiracy theory) this amounted to evidence of a plot to keep such knowledge from you. Now you want us to believe that because governments keep secrets, they are by definition involved in extraordinary (and, needless to say, sinister) conspiracies. This is on par with your inability to discern the simple difference between exercising editorial judgment and burning books -- which in itself tells me that your ability to read phenomena in the world is impaired by poor vision. If you expect to be taken seriously, you'd better start employing arguments that make sense. >>is not the same as believing in vast, sinister conspiracies. >In as much as there is no real forthcoming way to know the >breadth and scope of the conspiracy you _admit_ to, your >preceding statement is meaningless, isn't it? See above. >>Of course all governments keep secrets; >I believe you and I think it _may_ be possible to that this >prerogative has been _richly_ abused. Most secrets are kept for the most trivial reasons, such as bureaucratic lethargy. Unfortunately, the very existence of secrets, however banal, gives conspiracy theorists the opportunity to richly abuse reason and evidence in service of paranoia. >>For the difference between sane >>speculation on one side and mad fantasy on the other, just think >>of Donald Keyhoe as representing the former and the Dark Siders >>(Cooper, Lear, English, et al.) the latter. >A division forgetting, for a moment, how the latter can gain, >maintain, and keep the popular attention, while the former >languishes in amused and unfounded ridicule. What's the >mechanism of that, sir? I'm sure the answer would surprise both >of us. Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. All I can say is that if you want to attract attention, what you do is this: broadcast as loudly as possible the most extreme, absurd, paranoid claims, promote them fiercely, and shout with every breath that a vast conspiracy is keeping the "truth" from the citizenry -- and believe me, you'll have a whole herd of the terminally frightened among your paying customers. Keyhoe was too sane, too responsible, and too honest to play that game. >>Contrails are the latest fad on the far right, perhaps soon to >>replace black helicopters as something to keep conspiracists up >>at night, weaponry in hand. >And all of them basted in an ignorance that you won't cop to the >mechanisms for; all of them smelling smoke easily blown away by >a forthcoming unprevaricating breeze. I'm glad that we agree that contrail believers are ignorant. (I am taking a benign reading of what you're trying to say here, of course. Your words are sufficiently muddled that they could be read either way, but I prefer to believe the best about you.) I confess that I don't understand all of the "mechanisms" that underlie paranoia and belief in conspiracy theories. One, however, may be a deep desire to simplify a world that is, in fact, hugely complex and unpredictable. Even a belief in an evil larger order is, in an odd way, comforting, because it implies that order can be imposed on the profoundly unsettling chaos of reality (and of course it holds out the hope that, once the sinister controlling forces have been vanquished, a benevolent order can take their place). As all of us who live in the real world know, it doesn't work that way. In an interesting essay in The American Prospect (May/June 1999), Alan Wolfe looks back on sociologist C. Wright Mills's The Power Elite (1956), a now nearly forgotten but once highly influential book which sought, in effect, to posit an intellectually respectable version of a left-wing conspiracy theory. MiIls was a particular influence on New Left thinking during the 1960s, but his ideas are now mostly discredited. Wolfe, himself a sociologist, points to the inherent problem of conspiracy theories (though he does not use the term; neither did Mills, who was too canny to do so ): "Only in a society which changes relatively little is it possible for an elite to have power in the first place, for if events change radically, then it tends to be the events controlling the people rather than the people controlling the events. There can be little doubt that those who hold the highest positions in America's corporate hierarchy remain, as they did in Mills's day, the most powerful Americans. But not even they can control rapid technological transformations, intense global competition, and ever-changing consumer tastes. American capitalism is simply too dynamic to be controlled for very long by anyone." Coincidentally, I happen to be reading a splendid book, John Lewis Gaddis's We Know Now: Rethinking Cold War History (1997). While reading it, I couldn't help thinking (1) how real scholarship, as opposed to the unfettered speculation we see in conspiracist polemic, is conducted and (2) how that scholarship shows how incredibly complex, varied, and vast are the forces that underlie and drive relationships in societies and among nations. The notion that they are, or even could be, controlled by a massive conspiracy -- one whose existence, moreover, can't even demonstrated to the satisfaction of reasonable people -- is as sensible as the belief that the earth is flat and rests on the back of an enormous turtle. (Or maybe _that_ is what the conspiracy is about: to keep us ignorant of the turtle.) >>>Where do I draw the line? Where do you? >>I try to keep this principle in mind: the real world is bad >>enough. >The real world is a lot badder than you know. "Enough" is just >wishful thinking. Dream -- or, in your case, nightmare -- on, my friend. Meanwhile, while you and your friends are pursuing imaginary evils, the world's many real and terrible problems continue, ignored and unaddressed by you. To revive an old slogan: You're part of the problem, not part of the solution. Jerry Clark
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Allen Loper <cheepnis@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:47 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:03:52 -0400 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Retirement time,. No big lasers in space. No particle beams >in space. Dear Bruce, Please dont take this the wrong way but I am unconvinced. Just because you say they don't exist doesnt mean that they don't. I would be interested in any sources or references you could provide on this subject because you have now piqued my interest. thanks in advance, k "Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome." --Isaac Asimov http://www.mindspring.com/~cheepnis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: GBourdais@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:38:40 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:42:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: IUR: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT >Gentle listfolk: >The lead article is a long piece by the highly regarded >Australian ufologist Bill Chalker, a chemist by profession, >documenting his investigation of an abduction case with sexual >overtones. The incident turns out to be more than just another >intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the >alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, >evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists >for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The >scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a >host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. >This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and >debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's >something every ufologist should read. >> Yes, this is a very important research! If biological evidence of alien nature is to be confirmed, it will be a "smoking gun" of the alien presence on Earth ! Just as well as implants, or UFO debris, would be. But we are still waiting for that. This brings another question : we have been discussing for many years on the hybrid hypothesis, without definite proof. What about DNA analysis, made on suspected hybrids who would accept such an analysis ? Perhaps it is done already, but kept confidential for obvious reasons. I talked about that with Budd Hopkins when I had the chance to meet him in Brazilia, in December 1997. He told me that he did not want to get involved in such a study, not only for that reason - confidentiality , and human decency - but for legal reasons as well. I think we should consider seriously a very grim prospect if some people were to become proven hybrids (or an equivalent of that). The problems encountered by Linda Cortile with the two bodyguard give us a lot to think about. And also the dark visions of fundamentalists chasing the devils. What about the ominous risk a "hybrid hunt" ? Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:50:45 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:50:29 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:26 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >You can't be fully aware of the effects, and logically expect a >human to create them. Not the humans, but possibly natural affects of the crop being flattened. That's why it's imperative for a known man-made circle to be tested as a control sample, and not just one at that. Various circles in different crop at different periods during growth would give abse readings. >You're kidding, right? I can think of nothing more damaging than >a crop circle researcher caught stomping his or her own circles. >Just imagine the headlines. While we're at it, why not have a >ufologist create some ufos, just to see if the effects are the >same! Why should I be kidding? How on earth can you expect to know what anaomalous affects can be found in a so called genuine formation if you don't know what natural affects there are in a known man-made formation? >Tony, they routinely take control samples from outside the >formations. That's plenty for a basis of comparison, where >genetic, cellular, magnetic, and other changes are concerned. You expect untouched crop to grow identically to flattened crop? You really can't compare the two, for a comparison you certainly need the environment for the samples to be identical as possible. That would include flattening some crop outside the formation, but as close to it as possible and test the two samples, taking into consideration the time lapse between when each was flattened. >The water's already clear. Let's not muddy it. What I'm suggesting would help get nearer to the truth, not muddy anything. Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Steve Neill Walks II From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:29:16 -0400 Subject: Steve Neill Walks II ----- From: Steve Neill <neill@gte.net> 5-28-99 Dear Friends, When I wrote the letter announcing my departure from the UFO community, I expected to receive some negative email...especially from some who have installed themselves in their own hallowed halls of research...and self-generated legend. To my amazement I was totally wrong. 99% of all the mail was kind and positive. It was so supportive and understanding that I felt it important to post each and every message, the good with the bad. It is my way of acknowledging and thanking each one of you for your kind and often humbling words of support and good wishes. I wrote my letter to hopefully help some of you become a little better able to recognize and detect some of the vile and dangerous people in UFOlogy. We need to get on with our lives and support serious research, and the great human journey to the stars that is just beginning. It is my hope that people will once again commence to support the space program as Americans did in the sixties...that support is what took us to the Moon. The men and women at NASA were then among the greatest heroes in the history of the human race. After all...they conquered the moon. It is a greatness that will not be achieved again until we set human feet on the surface of Mars. The sooner we do this, the sooner many of the great questions that plague our minds will be answered. It's all out there, if we just have the integrity and guts to go after it. The bad guys are misdirecting our energies. These individuals are not from the intelligence community but from the very center of the circles of UFOlogy that many of us have passed through. This is not, for a moment, to say they are all bad - just like all cops aren't bad cops - but it's important to know your enemy. The same mix of good and bad is found in any bureaucracy...be it UFOlogy or NASA. Some are human and make mistakes, and others abuse their power by acting out of passion. Still others are sociopathic and have no morality as we commonly know it. And so it goes. The overall problem, of course, is the individual...not the agency, or study of UFOs. The upside is that, in reality, you control those distorted and misdirected people. You empower them...and you can easily choose to disempower them and free yourself to pursue your own vision and dreams without some heavy-handed ego trying to force a personality, and paradigm, on you. Demand respect for yourself and encourage that by stopping support of all the sleazy UFO books and videos. Stop attending so-called UFO conferences that treat the subject as a carnival often displaying large inflatable aliens and booths selling 'real' pieces of crashed UFOs. Treat UFOlogy as you would like it to treat you: with respect, kindness, and deliberation. UFOlogy is not a game. If things don't change soon, all that will be left are the con artists and hustlers who caused all the trouble in the first place. So, my thanks and sincere respect go to all of you who are supporting not just me, but the truth. You see, it's really not 'out there'...rather, it is inside each and every one of us who loves and dreams of a better future. Sincerely, Steve Neill <neill@gte.net>
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 5 From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:29:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:58:22 -0400 Subject: Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 5 Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 5 CONTENTS 1. The 'International UFO Network' and BUFORA's disintegration. 2. 'Flying Saucer' mythology. 3. 'Cigar-shaped' object paced airplane for ten minutes. 4. New 'Bentwaters' evidence featured on ParaNet radio program. 5. 'Bentwaters' and the Cash-Landrum case. 6. 'Triangular UFO' mystery partly solved. 7. USAF patches. 8. Roswell and the 'impressive parchment' debris. 9. UFO Research List. 10. Flotsam and jetsam. O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O Welcome to the latest issue of the newsletter, which the observant will notice, has undergone a name change! We had decided some time ago to revise the newsletter and related World Wide Web site, giving both a more distinctive UK Internet presence. So, it's goodbye to the nondescript US based CompuServe addressing and hello to UK Online, a division of Easynet Group plc, voted the UK's best Internet Service Provider (ISP). The new Web site address is: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/ Please update any bookmarks or links. A major expansion of the 'Voyager On-line' Web site is planned and has begun with inauguration of 'The RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge Incidents', which will be the Web's premier 'home page' for credible case material. See: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/enigma.htm It's hoped that the 'RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge Incidents' will shortly feature an audio of the complete and infamous 'Halt tape', plus audio interviews and further unpublished case material. The Web site has recently been a recipient of some awards from the Internet community, including one of the most prestigious five-star accolades. Which is all very nice and indicates that the content is being appreciated by many people with an objective interest in the subject matter. Please update any address book entries and note that all related e-mail should now be sent to: voyager@ukonline.co.uk James Easton, Editor. O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O 1. The 'International UFO Network' and BUFORA's disintegration. Also coming out of a transition is the 'International UFO Network' (IUFON), which we are sure will make an impact in the future, especially within the UK. The IUFON organisers are predominately former leading members of the British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) and their reasons for wishing to be dissociated from BUFORA's perceived decline can be read at: BUFORA Watch - Resignations Galore! http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/apr/m06-014.shtml BUFORA Watch - Journal Editor Leaves http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/apr/m18-001.shtml Although BUFORA are a small organisation, I understand from a long-standing 'ufologist' that they were once highly regarded throughout Europe and it's disappointing to see them capitulate to the inane 'British government UFO cover up' material they currently seem satisfied to promote. 2. The 'Flying Saucer' mythology. One of the problems with private pilot Kenneth Arnold's pivotal 'flying saucer' report on 24 June 1947, aside that is from the fact he never actually described 'saucer' shaped objects at all, is an ensuing encounter which took place only five days later. Comparably, it's a little-known anecdote and at the time Arnold never revealed it to the media, who were still falling over themselves in excitement at his original claim to have witnessed nine 'airplanes' which flew at an estimated speed of "more than 800 miles an hour". In Arnold's book 'The Coming of the Saucers', he first described the later incident, writing: "It was on the morning of July 29, 1947 that I took off from a private cow pasture near my home. [...] It was a perfect day to fly. The air was sharp, moist, clear as crystal and smooth as silk. There is something of a real thrill in flying on a day like that. [...] Within an hour I was over Baker, Oregon. [...] I began to let down over North Powder, Oregon in preparation to land at La Grande when I noticed above me and about ten miles to the right the Empire Airline's old Boeing, also coming in to land at La Grande. There is something about having company in the air that always seems pleasant and friendly. I rocked my wings at him in a gesture of hello and continued my let down until I was directly over Union, Oregon at 5,000 feet. I recall looking at my instrument clock which read about five minutes to seven. As I looked up from my instrument panel and straight ahead over the La Grande valley, I saw a cluster of about twenty to twenty- five brass coloured objects that looked like ducks. They were coming at me head on and at what seemed a terrific rate of speed. The sun was at my back and to my right. These objects were coming into the sun. I wasn't sighting through the viewfinder on my camera but was sighting along the side of it. As the group of objects came within 400 yards of me they veered sharply away from me and to their right, gaining altitude as they did so and fluttering and flashing a dull amber color. They appeared to be round, rather rough on top, and to have a dark or a light spot on top of each one. I couldn't be absolutely positive of this because it all happened so suddenly. I attempted to make a turn and follow them but they disappeared to the east at a speed far in excess of my airplane. I knew they were not ducks because ducks don't fly that fast. I heard later that several farmers in the vicinity of Union had observed what they thought a peculiar cluster of birds that same morning. I did not know of this until much later. Actually, they flew in a cluster more like blackbirds than ducks but each one was larger than a duck. I should judge some twenty-four to thirty inches in diameter. They rather wheeled on edge, flipping as they went as efficiently as when they were flat in reference to the surface of the ground. That morning I was pretty disappointed that no one around the airfield had seen them, to my knowledge". I recently brought up the subject of his second, and arguably more sensational claim, on an Internet discussion forum for 'birdwatchers' in Oregon. Detailing Arnold's report, without mentioning his name or the 'flying saucers' aspect at all, I asked for any opinions on what comparative birds the unnamed pilot might have observed and been describing. Most emphasised amongst responses was that 'ducks are pretty fast!', incorporating the following opinion from Mike Patterson: "[They were coming at me head on and at what seemed a terrific rate of speed]. Try as we might we intuitively put ourselves at rest relative to other objects. Head-on the speed of the ducks relative to the observer is your airspeed + their airspeed which can be pretty scary looking. Ducks can do 50+ mph ground speed. [I recall looking at my instrument clock which read about five minutes to seven. I saw a cluster of about twenty to twenty-five brass coloured objects that looked like ducks]. The sun has this effect on objects, especially in the morning. I've tried to turn Tree Swallows into Barn Swallows. Gulls into Jaegers from this effect. They probably were ducks..." It's not very likely, to say the least, that a formation of "twenty to twenty-five brass coloured objects that looked like ducks" each being "some twenty-four to thirty inches in diameter", were small spaceships. Surely troubling for those who avow an extraterrestrial explanation for Arnold's earlier 'flying saucer' tale, is that Arnold attributed the same, distinctive, flight characteristics to both sightings. A full account of Arnold's first report, which led to the misinterpreted 'flying saucer' phrase generating perhaps the most prevailing twentieth century icon, can be seen on our Web site at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/saucers.htm The phrase was used to describe the objects' flight characteristics, not their shape, and the Web site feature contains a photograph showing Arnold with a model of a bat-like 'craft', which was one of the objects he actually did claim to have seen. In what may have been his first interview, of which there's also an audio file on our site, Arnold describes the objects encountered whilst he was flying over the Cascade mountains and how he first, "thought they were geese because it flew like geese, but it was going so fast that I immediately changed my mind and decided it was a bunch of new jet planes in formation". The nine objects "looked something like a pie plate that was cut in half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear" and "seemed to flip and flash in the sun". Arnold subsequently related how "they were flying diagonally in echelon formation with a larger gap in their echelon between the first four and last five". "Their echelon formation was backward from that practiced by our Air Force. The elevation of the first craft was greater than that of the last. They flew in a definite formation but erratically. As I described them at the time their flight was like speed boats on rough water or similar to the tail of a Chinese kite that I once saw blowing in the wind. Or maybe it would be best to describe their flight characteristics as very similar to a formation of geese, in a rather diagonal chain-like line, as if they were linked together. As I put it to newsmen in Pendleton, Oregon, they flew like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water. They fluttered and sailed, tipping their wings alternately and emitting those very bright blue-white flashes from their surfaces. At the time I did not get the impression that the flashes were emitted by them, but rather that it was the sun's reflection from the extremely highly polished surface of their wings". During my research into Kenneth Arnold's 'flying saucers', I also asked knowledgeable ornithologists, with expertise in North-west American species, if there were any birds which might offer a conceivable explanation for what Arnold described. The logic being applied was simple; all other research seemed to conclusively prove that there were no aircraft, 'top secret' or otherwise, which could explain the reported sighting. If Arnold's story was to be accepted, then only one other terrestrial candidate seemed likely, a flock of birds as Arnold first thought. And it was no ordinary birds that the ornithologists proposed. It was a formation of American White Pelicans. Michael Price from Vancouver, was first to offer the suggestion: "There's another possible candidate species in the area at that time of year (sporadically) whose color, size, flight profile and proclivity for formation flight at sometimes quite high altitude would even more produce *every* detail of the phenomenon which Arnold observed: a flock of non- or failed-breeder southbound White Pelicans. They'd have been large enough to visible for a good distance, they fly in formation, and if the light were reflecting just right off a large nearby glaciated peak, their comparatively vast white underwing area would reflect a *ton* of light in exactly the pattern described by Arnold. I'd submit that the hypothesis of a small southbound flock of failed- or non-breeder American White Pelicans observed by someone unfamiliar with underwing reflectivity would provide the same phenomena and be at least as good an alternative possibility than seeing artefacts from another planet. Darn it". Richard Rowlett, from Seattle, concurred: "Oh no! Another myth debunked. But, you've just gotta believe. Yikes Michael! Are we of like minds or what?! When I first read the original post from James Easton, White Pelicans was the first thing that came to mind as I was reflecting back on an ultra-high flying southbound formation I saw a few years ago over the Barancas in western Durango, Mexico, east of Mazatlan. It was a fluke that I detected them at all by unaided eye. Even in the bins, I was perplexed about what they were for awhile, at first not even sure they were birds. Strange lighting and angle it was. I spend more time than just about anyone out exposed and looking at the sky. Much to my dismay, I've yet to see anything that couldn't be explained. I'm taking it personal by now, and am convinced that I've been singled out and left out". This ostensibly promising development was greeted with similar good humour and tremendous enthusiasm by 'flying saucer' devotees, who almost en masse leapt to acclaim it as the mundane solution they had always been searching for. And I've just won the lottery twelve weeks in a row, been asked out by Gillian Anderson and turned her down to go out for a pint with the lads. The one objection which did seem an obstacle was that Arnold's estimate of the nine object's airspeed would rule out birds of any description. However, those estimates had been shown to be subjective and there were known errors in some of Arnold's judgements and perceptions - see the case material on our Web site. It was only having acquired a copy of Arnold's long since out-of- print book, that I realised how Arnold had also dismissed the duck-like objects as ducks on the same basis. The logical conclusion is therefore straightforward. In regard to Arnold's first, celebrated sighting, it's proven that his airspeed and distance estimates are not entirely reliable and open to dispute. Consequently, the nine objects which at first appeared to be birds may have been exactly that and the new evidence obtained offers an informed rationale for one prime candidate. Alternatively, less than a week after encountering nine objects which came from 'outer space', Arnold was involved in another confrontation with twenty-five or so miniatures, which also came from 'out there'. The 'Pendleton, Oregon East Oregonian' newspaper of 26 June, 1947 carried a report entitled, 'Boise Flyer Maintains He Saw 'Em: Kenneth Arnold Sticks To Story of Seeing Nine Mysterious Objects Flying At Speed Of 1200 Miles An Hour Over Mountains'. It was written by Bill Bequette, who has been credited with coining the term 'flying saucer', although interviewed by Pierre Lagrange in 1988, Bequette stated his belief that he wasn't responsible. The article notes of Arnold: "He admitted he might have erred 200-300 miles in his figuring but added 'they still were the fastest things I ever saw'. When first sighted, he thought the objects were snow geese. 'But geese don't fly that high -- and, anyway, what would geese be doing going south for this time of year?'" It's evident that Arnold would, understandably, not have considered it might be an echelon formation of high-flying, south-bound American White Pelicans, perhaps another meaningful factor to take into consideration. Over fifty years later, it's unlikely ever to be proven what Kenneth Arnold truly did observe and it will remain an enduring mystery to those who would disagree with this theoretical resolution of the world's most famous UFO sighting. 3. 'Cigar-shaped' object paced airplane for ten minutes. When describing the unnamed Arnold's later sighting to the Oregon 'birders' it was as noted above, mentioned that the pilot recalled: "I began to let down over North Powder, Oregon in preparation to land at La Grande when I noticed above me and about ten miles to the right the Empire Airline's old Boeing, also coming in to land at La Grande". One of the helpful respondents was Camille, from Dallas, Texas and although I won't reveal this person's full identity at present, Camille has given permission to disclose the following information: "I grew up with Boeing, and still have bushels of unsorted documents from the many times my father cleaned his desk at the Renton plant before Boeing sent him off to some classified location. If there was a Boeing plane in the air within 50 miles of your specified location, there is also a record of anything else that was, or was presumed to be in that airspace. Boeing has a historical/archives section, which you can probably find via a Web search. Boeing tried to document/photograph and assess every single item that might affect the performance of their stuff - geese, clouds, dust, everything (which is why I have thousands of photos of bolts, rocks, twisted metal and so on). One of the reports that my father filed - before missile technology really got going - was about a cylindrical, shiny object that cruised alongside the Boeing for a while, then veered off. MOST of these reports were ID'd as birds, but that one wasn't, and the report vanished from official Boeing records with remarkable speed". Asked if this incident was ever publicised to her knowledge, Camille stated, "It was not publicised, quite the opposite". On the question of whether some documentary evidence might exist in her father's papers, that seems a possibility, Camille confirming, "I'm sure that much of this information is here somewhere. I'll see what I can find; however, his papers are not organised in any comprehensible way so it won't be soon". Although she didn't provide any date or location, perhaps not being sure, Camille did clarify that the aircraft was "probably not a jet" and that the airline involved could have been 'Pan Am'. Asked if she could "recall any specific details, e.g., how the object was described, size, apparent speed, etc.", Camille replied it was, "cigar shaped, bronze or gold as opposed to silvery, shorter than the Boeing, matched speed to the Boeing". Whilst it's extremely doubtful we could be so fortunate, she added, "For all I know there's a photo of this thing in the boxes of unsorted documents and photos". Most surprising is her recollection of how long the incident lasted. We might have assumed the pilot's sighting was brief, probably a few seconds or so, however, Camille believes the duration was "more than 10 min, less than an hour". If that's relatively accurate and we can discount the pilot being completely mistaken, etc., that appears to rule out a missile and indeed most obvious explanations other than a bird. As a bird had definitely been discounted, it would leave us with an enigma. On the likelihood of a missile, Camille notes, "Nothing was officially being tested and I believe he could have found out, he worked on Gypsy Moth, Minuteman etc". Hopefully in due course we can find out more and that somewhere within those "thousands of photos" and presumably even more documents, is evidence of what seems to be an intriguing incident. Considering that I had merely raised an ornithological query, this 'UFO' account was a fortuitous digression and Kenneth Arnold would, I'm sure, also appreciate the absolute irony. Adding to that irony Camille asked: "A question: Very fast, black, high altitude triangle(s) over Utah or Nevada in 1974 or 1975 would have been a Stealth prototype?" It was a development which reinforced my belief that 'birders' are a largely, if not entirely, untapped source of observational data apropos to 'anomalous' aerial objects. Few other hobbies or occupations involve scanning the skies for lengthy periods during daylight and in general always being attentive to anything 'unusual' appearing. Camille expounded: "I'm fairly certain it was in spring of 1975, not '74, late May, on secondary roads between Beaver and Cedar Breaks Nat Monument, in the vicinity of Parowan Gap, Utah. We were on the way to Zion Nat Park, spent the previous night at Beaver (which I do not recommend), and I think we headed E. after Parowan Gap. Parowan Gap is a natural feature near the town of Parowan. It was between 10 a.m and 4 p.m., mostly clear with intermittent high altitude clouds, or haze, that developed into non-productive thunderheads in late afternoon. I don't recall if it was on the hike to the Gap or another stop, but I was out of the car without the field glasses, looking for ravens. The black or dark triangle was travelling in an apparently straight line S., SE, or SW against 'white' sky. Difficult to describe size - if I stuck a paper triangle three-sixteenths of an inch on a side on the upper center of my left eyeglasses lens it would be about right. It appeared to be moving very fast. (I currently live under an afternoon commuter jet route and the triangle was moving faster than they do at about 50 miles out). My companion said there were more than one, but I only saw one. There was never any noise from it. Definitely not a bird. In talking about the trip to co-workers who had suggested part of our route (to look for hotsprings)a short time later one of them said she (they?) had seen 'those things' in the same general area. I don't remember if anyone else concurred. The object might not have been triangular. A white or very light colored aircraft of any shape with a triangular dark area on the underside would have 'disappeared' except for the dark area because the sky was 'white' - a standard type of camouflage for many birds and aquatic lifeforms, and something I didn't know about at the time". One point which does seem to be resolved, there were no 'stealth' aircraft flying until the late 1970s. From information published by Joe Baugher, this is a brief synopsis of 'stealth' history: "The Lockheed Advanced Development Company (better known as the "Skunk Works") began working on stealth as far back as the late 1950s. During 1975, Skunk Work engineers began working on an aircraft which would have a greatly reduced radar cross section that would make it all but invisible to enemy radars, but would nevertheless still be able to fly and carry out its combat mission. The technique that they came up with was known as faceting, in which the ordinarily smooth surface of the airframe is broken up into a series of trapezoidal or triangular flat surfaces arranged in such a way that the vast majority of the radar incident on the aircraft from a source will be scattered away from the aircraft at odd angles, leaving very little to be reflected directly back into the receiver. An additional reduction in radar cross section was to be obtained by covering the entire surface of the aircraft with radar absorbent material (RAM). In early 1977, Lockheed received a contract from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for the construction of two 60-percent scale flyable test aircraft under a project named Have Blue. The name Have Blue seems to have no specific meaning, probably having been chosen at random from an approved list of secret project names. Shortly after the Have Blue contract was let, the project was transferred over to Air Force System Command control and became highly "black", with all information about it being highly classified and restricted to those with a need to know. Outside of a few people at Lockheed and the Defense Department, noone knew that Have Blue even existed. The two Have Blue aircraft were built at Lockheed in only a few months. Two prototypes were built at a cost of 37 million dollars for both aircraft. Lockheed workers assembled the two Have Blue aircraft in a cordoned-off area in Lockheed's Plant 10 facility housed at the USAF Plant 42 in Palmdale, California. Neither aircraft ever received an official DoD designation, or did they get a USAF serial number. However, Lockheed did give the aircraft its own manufacturer's serial numbers --- 1001 and 1002, meaning Plant 10, aircraft numbers 1 and 2. The first example (1001) was finished in November of 1977. In order to keep the project away from prying eyes, the Have Blue prototype was shipped out to the Groom Lake Test Facility in Nevada in high secrecy for the test flights. Groom Lake is located in a particularly remote area of the Nellis test range complex, and is a good location for the testing of secret aircraft. A camouflage paint scheme was applied to make it hard for unwanted observers at Groom Lake to determine the aircraft's shape. The first flight of the Have Blue took place in January or February of 1978 (the exact date is still classified), veteran Lockheed test pilot William M. "Bill" Park being at the controls". Whatever the origin of the 'triangular UFOs' that Camille and numerous others have reported witnessing since the 1960s and early to mid 1970s, there doesn't appear to be evidence it's 'stealth' related. A feature relating to 'Anomalous Flying Wings and Triangles' can be found on our web site at: http://web.uko nline.co.uk/voyager/triangle.htm This includes a highly detailed 1978 UK account from Chartered Accountant Paul Hamner, at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/paul_h.txt 4. New 'Bentwaters' evidence featured on ParaNet radio program. I was pleased to accept an invitation from the ParaNet Continuum Radio Program to discuss the 'RAF Bentwaters' case and particularly Sergeant Randy Smith's extraordinary account of occurrences in the RAF Bentwaters (nuclear)weapons storage area, as exclusively revealed in the last newsletter - see: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/newslet4.htm Further details on ParaNet's US radio show can be found at: http://www.paranetinfo.com/html/radio_show.html Due to the time difference, my participation in the 2nd May broadcast necessitated a 4:30 a.m start and a discussion which lasted from around 5:00 - 6:00 a.m. It was an interesting experience, attempting to focus on a quite complex case, whilst hoping that the almost deafening dawn chorus outside wasn't coming over on the radio transmission. ParaNet President Michael Corbin is a most gracious host and we shared some amusement on realising that my own foray into the subject was largely due to involvement with the early ParaNet bulletin boards. Copies of postings to ParaNet, incorporating some of the most insightful debates on the 'UFO' topic and its facets, can still be found within the ParaNet archives at: ftp://grind.isca.uiowa.edu/info/paranet/infopara/ There's a useful subject index which can be searched. 5. 'Bentwaters' and the Cash-Landrum case. On a separate, although related matter, Michael was also helpful in answering a request. It concerned the December 1980 'Cash- Landrum' case, one of the most baffling and still unresolved 'UFO' incidents. I was looking for a sketch, drawn by the central witnesses, of the diamond-shaped object reportedly observed and also asked if there was any possibility that the object may have been pyramid- shaped, or cone-shaped, giving the impression of looking like a diamond. Michael was able to provide the copy of a drawing made by Michael Buhler and copyright of the Fortean Picture Library. It represents the Cash-Landrum 'UFO' as a pyramid or conical- shaped object, exactly as I had speculated might be possible. The reason for initially asking was that whilst looking for something else entirely, I came across an artist's impression of the Cash-Landrum 'UFO' on the Web site at: http://www.skiesare.demon.co.uk/c-l.html Realising I had recently seen an unrelated sketch of a 'UFO' which was distinctly similar in certain respects, although not in the overall 'diamond' shape, I was curious if the differences might be explained In 'UFO Crash Landing', Jenny Randles' latest book on the 'Bentwaters' case, I noted that Jenny refers to the Cash-Landrum incident and states, "Suddenly, a triangular object appeared on the road ahead, surrounded by a fiery light". If it was conceivably triangular, or pyramid-shaped, then there was a more direct comparison with the Cash-Landrum case and the other sketch I has seen. That sketch, which I had never published, is a depiction of the object which Sergeant Randy Smith believes he observed three of, from RAF Bentwaters, during the early hours of 28th December, 1980. The reported Cash-Landrum events occurred on the night of 29th December, near Huffman, Texas. A theoretical connection has long existed and Jenny discussed it with Dr J. Allen Hynek and John Schuessler in November 1983. I'm still unclear if the Cash-Landrum object can be considered as pyramid or conical-shaped, however, it's certainly shown as such in Buhler's artwork. Randy's sketch of the object(s) he's adamant were observed, can for the first time be viewed on our Web site at: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/sketch.gif This sketch was drawn by Randy's wife, Kathy, on Randy's instructions and he confirmed it was an accurate representation. As can be seen, the perceived object(s) had what appeared to be a circle of rectangular-shaped lights underneath. Also on our Web site is a copy of the Buhler artwork - trusting it's permissible to make this available for a short time only - with a comparative scaled drawing of Randy's 'Bentwaters' UFO. See: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/cashland.jpg Investigations into any conceivable link between the two cases continues to be pursued. 6. 'Triangular UFO' mystery partly resolved. One source of 'triangular UFOs' may now have been identified. During recent discussions on this topic, Chris Gibson, one of Britain's most knowledgeable writers on military aviation and top-secret 'black projects', described a high-altitude observation he made: "What I saw: three point white lights in a triangular formation. moving across the sky from South to North. As they crossed the sky, not quite overhead of my position the dimmed and disappeared. Classic delta sighting? Maybe not. These look like they are a trio of satellites. South to north movement - Polar orbit? Dimming slightly before disappearing - I've seen sats do that. A few years ago I was told about Triplets of sats that the US Navy / NSA or some other secret US non-profit government agency based in Maryland (That's how the reps from the Mitre Corporation introduced themselves to my wife) are flying. It was suggested these triplets were Ferrets doing Elint/Comint with the triplet being used for triangulation. Dare I suggest that some of these lights in the sky sightings (not the ones where an airframe is discernible) are / were such triplet sats?" American researcher Joel Carpenter highlighted information which can be found at the following Web site: http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/surveill/noss_andronov.htm It reads: The U.S. Navy's "White Cloud" Spaceborne ELINT System [Kosmicheskaya Sistema Radiotekhnicheskoy Razvedki VMS SShA "Uayt Klaud"] by Major A. Andronov Zarubezhnoye Voyennoye Obozreniye [Foreign Military Review] (ISSN 0134-921X), No.7, 1993, pp.57-60 translated by Allen Thomson The US Navy's spaceborne electronic intelligence (ELINT) system, White Cloud, is based on SSU (Subsatellite Unit) satellites and is intended for determining the location of warships of foreign states and following them by the method of taking bearings on the ships' onboard radioelectronic equipment from several positions. Official Pentagon representatives try not to attract attention to this system, since it is the principal means of over-the-horizon reconnaissance and target designation for the US Navy's weapons systems. In comparison with other American reconnaissance satellites, (for example, "Keyhole" and "Lacrosse") the SSU satellites are mentioned comparatively infrequently and have various names: White Cloud, Classic Wizard, and Parcae. The last designation more precisely reflects the mission and operating principle of the system's satellites. The mythological Parcae were the three daughters of Zeus and the goddess Themida (the SSU satellites are launched in groups of three and fly relatively close together.) One of the daughters spins the thread of fate for each mortal (one satellite has a wide observation swath, but cannot exactly determine the coordinates of radio emitters). The second daughter measures out a length of thread for each person (when two satellites get a fix on the shipborne emitters, the position is obtained, but with some ambiguity). The third sister (Atropos - "she from whom one may not flee") cuts the measured thread of life (the third satellite, getting a fix on the emitters' signals, enables their coordinates to be determined precisely and then transmitted to Navy ships for weapons employment...." Following this insightful dialogue, I believe it's a reasonably confident conclusion that some of the more recent 'triangular UFO' reports can be explained. The National UFO Reporting Centre (NUFORC) in the US is an invaluable source of data and I had recently complied a profile of over 200 'triangular UFO' reports at: http://www.ufocenter.com/ndxsTriangle.html Noticeable in looking at the NUFORC data were the number of sightings which came from amateur astronomers who had seen a triangle of lights moving at high altitude and which could not be equated with any known satellite. Re-examining this data, I believe that some observations are clearly consistent with 'triplets' of satellites, for example: Occurred : 7/3/1998 00:30 (Entered as : 07/03/98 24:30) Reported : 8/4/1998 00:33 Posted : 11/21/1998 Location : Campbell River (Vancouver Island), B.C., Shape : Triangle I was laying out on my sundeck looking at the stars. It was just after midnight and the sky was mostly clear with some high cirrus. As I looked up I saw what I thought was a satellite, except it seemed to be moving almost twice as fast as the average satellite. It only took a fraction of a second for me to realize that there was more than one point of light moving across the sky The three points of light that made up the main outline of the triangle were a dull reddish-orange colour and about the same size as most of the smaller stars that make up the night sky. The two other lights that could be seen from within the triangle were a white light but were no larger and only slightly more intense than the outer lights. These two lights were quite close together and located on either side of a central axis extending from a halfway point at the base to the apex and closer to the front of the craft. I could not see any of the usual running lights associated with typical aircraft i.e. (port and starboard lights and the bright pulsing central light). As it moved across the sky in a southeast to northwest direction it seemed to me that there was no substance to this shape, as if it were held together by strands of wire, with the leading light pulling the others in tow. The colour within the triangle was exactly the colour of the night sky, and there was no dark silhouette, and no reflected light. [...] Occurred : 11/16/1998 22:11 (Entered as : 11/16/98 22:11) Reported : 11/17/1998 16:56 Posted : 11/19/1998 Location : Greeley, CO Shape : Triangle I was in my backyard hoping to catch a view of the Leonid meteor shower. From the east I saw a bright light heading toward me to the west. I noticed that it was 3 lights in the shape of a triangle, not a meteor, and moving too fast and too high to be a plane. It passed directly overhead and I lost it as it passed over the house. Occurred : 11/17/1998 19:25 (Entered as : 11/17/98 7:25pm) Reported : 11/24/1998 05:04 Posted : 12/15/1998 Location : Sherwood, AR Shape : Triangle I was watching for the leonids meteors before going into work. I saw three lights (dim, like distant stars) in a triangular formation. I watched them pass from east of overhead to the southwest horizon. They did not burn up, leave a trail, or anything meteors usually do. I'm a federal employee. I tried to convince myself that these were simply meteors, but the fact that they moved horizontally without losing any apparent altitude, combined with the duration of time I witnessed these lights, as well as the unchanging distance between all three lights throughout the event, tells me that these could not have been meteors. The odds of THREE meteors having the same speed, and direction in a formation that makes a perfect triangle, at the exact same time... God, that's got to be one hell of an unlikely event. It was also completely silent. [End] Many such recent reports from the NUFORC database come into this category and it's open to interpretation whether all of the evidence is consistent. Making allowances for the frailties of witness observation, it looks like some 20 per cent of the more recent reports can be attributed to this explanation. Equally significant within the NUFORC data sample, and indeed outwith, are the number of remaining 'triangular UFO' reports which can not remotely be resolved as 'satellites', or any known 'black project' aircraft. These relate to something entirely different and are a focal point of current research. 7. USAF patches. A couple of United States Air Force patches which might be of interest: A. At URL: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/81patch.jpg The 81st Security Police Squadron at RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge. Rumoured to depict what happened if you were caught in the UFO's 'beam of light'. B. At URL: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/509patch.jpg A stunning patch apparently used a few years ago by the USAF squadron undertaking radar cross-section flight tests of the B-2. That squadron was the 509th Bomb Wing, successor to the unit at Roswell. I understand that a translation of the Latin motto shown, "Gustatus Similis Pullus" means "Tastes Like Chicken". It's necessary to see this patch before appreciating the above humour and also the serious allusion to perceived UFO mythology. Unless, of course, it's a secret emblem acknowledging where the Stealth technology originated! Grateful thanks to Joel Carpenter for making this available and the informative background info. 8. Roswell and the 'impressive parchment' debris. Speaking of 'Roswell', it's now acknowledged that the pivotal related 'conspiracy' documents were - as we have long said was blatantly obvious - a hoax played on 'ufologists' by one or more formerly prominent researchers. More details can be found at: Majestic-12 Follies Returns (Barry Greenwood) http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/jan/m30-031.shtml MJ-12 - From Tim Cooper's Typewriter To You http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/mar/m16-011.shtml In a recent discussion on the 'Project-1947' mailing list, Roswell case researcher Karl Pflock, mentioned: "More to the parchment point: (1) the early "Mogul" arrays-- among them, Flight 4, the Foster Ranch "saucer"--included 3 large reinforced PARCHMENT parachutes. (2) Marcel mentioned seeing "other stuff there that looked very much like parchment" in his Dec. 9, '79 interview with Bob Pratt (see my "Roswell in Perspective," p. 123). (3) In describing what he found to reporters on July 8, 1947 (Roswell Daily Record, July 9), Mac Brazel mentioned "tinfoil, [and] a rather tough paper." Note that the tinfoil and paper are mentioned as separate items, and that "rather tough paper" is a good description of parchment". An aspect of the case which I had never personally seen set in context was from the interview with Major Marcel, as published in 'The Roswell Incident', by Berlitz and Moore. Marcel reportedly stated, "One thing that impressed me about the [Roswell] debris was that a look of it looked like parchment". I pointed out to Karl that a 1997 commentary from David Rudiak spoke of the "ridiculous fictional 'parchment parachutes' of Mogul and claimed "they used small silk parachutes for the payload - its marked on the diagrams". If there were in fact parchment parachutes, that would offer an explanation - had it been confirmed that Flight 4 did use parchment and not silk parachutes? Karl replied: "Yes. Prof. Moore has confirmed this, as have others who participated in the project. Moore recalls early New Mexico launches, including Flt 4, were configured like Flt 2, which had been launched on the East Coast. Flt 2 employed 3 parchment 'chutes. Prof. Moore told me they were dyed either red or orange-red, and the coloring faded VERY rapidly upon exposure to sunlight. In re silk parachutes, these were used on some later "Mogul" flights and on Skyhook and other high-altitude balloon research projects. Even some Skyhook flights seem to have used parchment 'chutes at times (I've seen photos in which the 'chutes appear to be parchment). Apparently these came from old stock--like Charlie Moore's radar targets with "alien" symbols. In those days, it would seem there was still some concern about the taxpayers' money was used. In general, the NYU and other researchers/experiments used whatever was available, doing quite a bit of scrounging and creative cobbling". Thanks Karl, unless there's sustainable evidence to the contrary, that ties up one of the few remaining 'loose ends'. 9. UFO Research List. In March, I created the 'UFO Research List' (UFORL), which was "intended to provide a focused forum for any related topics which recognise the need for a scientific and evidential foundation". Much of the above material has first appeared on the UFORL list and anyone who endorses that scientific pursuit can subscribe by writing to: UFORL-subscribe@listbot.com Important: This is not a mailing list for those who believe in the reality of 'alien abductions/implants', the en-suite collection of bogus 'MJ-12' etc. documents, 'reverse-engineered alien tech', or increasingly complex 'crop circles' made by ETs who just got better and better at it. It is especially unsuitable for anyone who remotely believes NASA is involved in a 'cover up', or moreso, claims to have 'remotely viewed' them in the act! 10. Flotsam and Jetsam Shown in the UK this month by the 'Discovery Channel', available only on satellite TV, was a new British documentary called 'The Uninvited'. In search of evidence to support claims of 'abductions by aliens' and 'alien implants' the documentary seems to attempt an objective investigation, although there's little material which hasn't been covered many times before. The program features Paul Minor, a former 'Chief Polygraph Investigator' in the FBI (1978-1987), who I haven't come across previously. Leah Haley, apparently one of America's most publicised 'abductees' and who claims 'multiple abductions by the US military in conjunction with aliens', agreed to undergo a polygraph test. Afterwards, Minor states that results indicate the "probability of deception is greater than 99%". [A camera shot of the software on his laptop computer shows it to be "POLYSCORE" from 'Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory' and a message on screen reads "DECEPTION STRONGLY INDICATED-Probability of Deception is Greater Than .99"]. Presumably this qualified as a 'fail'. Minor confirmed having conducted polygraph tests with other claimed 'abductees' and that "all of them have showed themselves to be not truthful". We wonder if he'll receive an invitation to speak at the next abductee conference. Jenny Randles, Ian Ridpath and myself have recently been involved in discussions concerning the 'Bentwaters' case and it's resulting in what may turn out to be some significant conclusions. New evidence continues to surface and it's hoped that developments will be the subject of a feature in the next newsletter. An unchallenged 'quote of the month' comes from an ornithologist who remarked on Kenneth Arnold's description of his Oregon 'close encounter': "..tis enough to harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood, Make thy two eyes, like stars, start from their spheres, Thy knotted and combined locks to part And each particular hair stand an end, Like quills upon the fretful porpentine." Hamlet Act I, Scene 5. UK readers who receive a British Telecom bill for Internet access will know the feeling. O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O~O0O (c) James Easton May 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:42:35 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:47:10 -0400 Subject: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... An Open Letter To A Friend Jeff Rense... Journalist, By Anyone's Definition Hi Jeff. I would like to tell you a story. The story relates to some of the nonsense I've read on UpDates by people who should know better and to the furor over the recently published Protocols ... which have not been researched significantly enough (in my personal opinion) by these folks to have produced the reactions I've read there. Those who have not researched the material sufficiently include me. And so I am dropping a project or two and taking on the study. I need to understand it better because the subject of the Jewish "myths" have fascinated me as much as Nazism. I've read everything I was able to get my hands on about this time period in our history, and especially love the writings of William Shirer, whose recent passing was a loss to our world. When I have completed my research, I will post nothing about it. But when and if the subject should rear it's ugly head yet again, I shall be educated to the point of being able to verbalize an opinion and responsible enough to voice it appropriately. But first, I wish to tell you a true story about a little boy and his aunt. The little boy was me. I was raised as a Christian, and in 1946 I was three years old. I had already suffered through at least one or possibly two abductions by little "doctors" who took me to a "hospital" in the sky over my house. They took me there in an "ambulance" which was parked outside the house. I had never been in, nor had I ever seen, an ambulance. Neither had I ever been to a hospital. But that's another story. I remember a beautiful spring day in 1946. I remember standing up in the upstairs kitchen sink, naked as a plucked bluejay, being bathed by my aunt "Ree". Actually she was my aunt Mary, but I could not then pronounce "Mary." Ergo, "Ree!" She was bathing me as I was standing in that sink, looking out into our back yard. The sun was bright and the sky was blue. The fruit trees in our back yard were sprouting gorgeous flowers and the cherry tree (nearest to me) looked like it was going to be one hell of a sweet early fall. Grandma was gonna make some great jam and even greater Italian cookies with all that good stuff. I vividly remember all of those thoughts running through my brain. I also remember aunt Ree telling me that the reason I was being washed and readied was to meet my aunt Olga. I had no idea who aunt Olga was. In fact, I was a very confused little boy. "How can I have an aunt I have never seen before, aunt Ree?" I could not compute having any relative whom I had not met. I knew every one of my aunts, uncles and other relatives, as we were an extended family. Our house was my dad's, but Grandma lived with us, and grandpa, and at least one or two aunts and an uncle at one time or another. My grandma was the matriarch of the family. But a positively loving one. And nobody cooked like my grandma. And nobody grew stuff like my grandpa, or made wine, brandy and even Creme de Menthe ... nobody. Grandma lived to 99 1/2 years. And very one of those years she loved me and everyone with whom she came into contact. Grandma was given to us so that we would have a perfect example of what love really is, selfless. It requires nothing in return. It just keeps on giving. I asked aunt Ree often why it was that I had never met my aunt. The answer was that my uncle, in the CIC (precursor to the CIA) served in Germany and met Olga there. They fell in love and married. And now, aunt Olga was coming home to live here with all of us. Cool. But I didn't even know my uncle Mike, who married her, because he spent the first three years of my life overseas fighting a war. And that was another thing. Whenever someone talked about "the war", I immediately thought of a bunch of guys running out into the street and engaging in fist fighting... that was my impression of war. Boy was I a little fountain of knowledge, eh? Anyway, my aunt Olga, as I later learned, was a very class act. She was a beautiful and slim woman who stood regally, as if she were royalty. And I do not mean that in a negative way. It was the way she impressed everyone. She was a loving, kind and gentle lady, who belonged in another world. Even then I sensed that. She was generous to a fault, but never talked about her experiences during the war. She was also Jewish. Her name was "Schartz" and she and her large family, large and close, like ours, lived in Romania, in Budapest. She even taught me a little of the lingo... I can still say "Do you love me or do you NOT love me," in Romanian. She spoke fluent German, Hungarian, Romanian, Italian and a few other languages I cannot recall. And I heard her speak every one of them at one time or another. But I never heard her say one word in German. As I grew older I understood what happened to her and her family. They were, as I said, a large, closely knit family of high rank in their country. They were well situated, financially, well educated and very close as a family. There were about 93 of them before the war started. I was raised in the Christian faith, as a good Catholic. But I was also exposed to Jewish traditions as a result of my aunt's culture. I even had my own yarmulke ... two as I recall, one white and the other black. I attended many of the holidays and holydays and even assisted in the sader. I loved my aunt. I still do. She's just a very special lady. And because of her traditions and ours, we shared all of our holidays together. It was an opportunity for me to learn other cultures. And I loved it. I got to eat like a hungry little predator for Christmas and Chanukah ... and many more special times. I began to understand her religion, her faith and her culture as very few Christians have the opportunity of doing. I appreciated everything I learned because I began early on, to realize that other people had traditions just as important to them as mine were to me. What a lesson to learn at such a young age. And to this day I bristle whenever I hear the "D" word. I hate that word. The word is "diversity." I once worked for a company with an extremely diverse employee base. Largely female, largely doctors (physicians) and largely minorities at the working level. Three tiers of people. Because of this diversity, the company hired a consultant to give classes and training in "diversity." I had to attend because I was consulting there on another matter. And anyone working there had to attend. Well, I made my opinions known loud and clear. "There is no such thing as diversity. We are all the same!" And I really believe that. I grew up with kids who were black (then they were "Negroes") and never knew they were any different from anybody else. The first time I realized that my best friend in the whole world was a Negro was at grammar school graduation, when I saw my best friend's dad in his postal worker's uniform, black as the ace of spades. Just as black as my buddy. But it never dawned on me that he, my buddy, was black. Just never came to mind. And why the hell should it? And if that son of a bitch bigot kid had not called my friend a "nigger", I would not even have realized that he and his dad were Negroes. And that is another story. The real point of this tome is that my aunt Olga and my uncle Leslie came here from several very exotically named places in Europe. And thanks to the German Nazis, they were the only ones who survived. The places had names like "Dachow, Bergen Belson and Trablinka." And that large, wonderful family of Schwartz's was two ... down from near one hundred. When that bigoted little Irish kid called my best buddy in the whole world a "nigger", it dawned on me right then and there that not only was my best friend black, but so was my aunt Olga, at least in name. Schwartz means black. They were Sephardic. And they were of Latin origins. Even the language they spoke was a Latin language. And that guy, my best buddy in the whole world, was my best man. I loved him as if, no, probably more than if he had been my brother. We are godparents to his kids. They are gown up now. They are good young people too. And my best man, he's dead. Shot on a street corner in New York State, the capital, in fact. And he was shot by a perpetrator who called him "nigger" as he shot my best friend, my best man, in the head. My best friend was a cop. I was there. I was a member of the NY State Police Auxiliary and in training in Albany. I went out on a small drug bust. It was supposed to be a cake walk, or they never would have brought me along. Richie died in my arms looking up at me. The last thing he heard was that "N" word, as the shot rang out, that's what the perp called him. "Nigger ... you fucking Nigger...!" And it was over in a flash, literally. I have a stake in this subject. And I refuse to let it go. Just like that shirt I was wearing the day Richie was killed, his blood all over it. Rosie washed it for me but the stains are still there. I am glad about that. Every so often I take it out and hold it. I only do that when I am in need of a catharsis, when I need to cry like a little kid... I need that at least once a year. Does me a lotta good. Nigger, Jew, Wop.... whatever. Diversity sucks. Especially when you come to understand that there is no such thing. We are all pretty much the same. Especially when we bleed. And also, when we weep. Same color both times. How much blood and tears must we shed before some of us come to realize that it's quite enough? Not enough I guess. I just did the wash for my wife, who is disabled. I put my shirt in there, the one I was wearing that time, in Albany ... the one with all the blood. I washed it for the tenth time in a year. The stains still won't come out. But God, I love that shirt. Because it reminds me how much I hate that "D" word. And that "N" word. And all the other words which hurt and sting worse than a bullet in the face. And I still cry like a little lost kid every time I hold it next to me. But those tears are tears of shame, shame for those of us who can't understand that we are all exactly alike, in all the ways which count. When I hold grandma's knitted sweater, the one she made for me before she died, I weep also. But those tears are tears of love and joy, and the loss of her physical presence. Interesting though, both kinds of tears are the same color, taste and texture. Fascinating isn't it? And that bloody shirt reminds me how much I must endure in this life. Like my aunt who cannot utter a word in German. Like my uncle Leslie, her brother, who to this day, has never said one word about the camps, or Olga, who has never said ONE WORD about the Germans, what they did to her and her family. And then I think about the guy who killed my best friend in the whole world. And how he just HAD to call my Richie a nigger while pulling the trigger. One never did anything to the other to cause Richie's curse. One never did anything to the other to cause Olga's curse ... but I am sure that when she was brought to the camps and raped repeatedly because she was beautiful, the officer uttered the word "Jewess" in German. Maybe as he emptied his seminal vesicles. Maybe. Maybe not. But all of those pompous assholes who spout their venom with impunity, likely never witnessed what Olga did, never experienced what Richie did ... never bothered to understand someone else's culture and appreciate not diversity, but it's non-existence. Maybe. Maybe not. But next time you criticize a man for exposing a truth, remember the camps, remember that cop who died on a streetcorner, and remember all those who have died for absolutely NOTHING worse than being themselves. Nothing! Then maybe, just maybe, your venom will take on a more palpable tone, one which accepts fact and rejects the fiction, one which commands the respect of anyone reading it, not merely the respect of those who agree with you. Maybe. Maybe not. Dr. James S. Mortellaro, Ph.D.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:25:53 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:25:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Ex-IBM Chairman Confirms 'Alien' Technology? >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:20:36 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Subject: IBM Chairman Confirms Alien Technology Hello, all, Stig, Mr. Matthews. >Forwarded from the S4 Database List. >Stig >*** >From: "Lynda Matthews" <matthews@zetnet.co.uk> >To: <rbx32@dial.pipex.com> ><snip> >The S4 Database List - http://area51.icom.net/ >Dear All, >Can anyone check this out - we've heard it all before and if the >guy continues to make his claims then we'll maybe have to remind >him that the ideas were on the drawing board in the 1930s - and >were interrupted by WW2. Except that most of the claimed items, were Nazi-tech - or not? Just asking..... >Nevertheless, if this claim is genuine then it may throw new >light on things.... What! A new light? Hello, Mr. Matthews! Some of us have been saying the same thing for years, now it _is _ a possibilty, oakt. You, Sir have to remind an ex-chairman of Big Blue that the technology was on the drawing boad prior to WWII! I think that there is something to this although it dosn't get the play that Firmage did. GT McCoy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Filer's Files #21 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:04:04 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:34:23 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #21 Filer's Files #21 -- 1999, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Mutual UFO Network Eastern Director, May 28, 1999, Majorstar@aol.com (609) 654-0020 AIR VICTORY MUSEUM IS DEVELOPING UFO EXHIBITS I am Director of Advanced Technology and UFO exhibits at the Air Victory Museum. The museum was founded in 1989, as a non profit educational museum to encourage youngsters to pursue applied sciences. We fly some 500 youngsters a year. They are excited about flight, and our aircraft such as A-4, F-4 and a F-14, but they really want to see UFOs and spaceships. I am now collecting evidence to be placed in the Air Victory Museum to tell the true story of UFOs and advanced propulsion technology. I would appreciate the readers' contributions, photographs and ideas. What we really need is a UFO either our or theirs. The museum is located at South Jersey Regional Airport, Medford, NJ in the heart of 40 million people. NEW JERSEY UFOs NEWARK -- Lafayette Robert Ward writes, "On March 7, 1999, Looking out my living room window I sometimes watch the jets flying near Newark Airport at 11:32 to 11:35 AM. My eyes were fixed on a particular jet climbing out of Newark Airport to the north then turning west over the Interstate 280. To my amazement I saw a round and silver metallic UFO appear beneath the commercial jet. I pulled up the window to get a clearer view. Then another identical craft appeared, both moving east. What seemed more strange was how the craft were able to pass so close under the commercial jet without any wobbling effect. Then I noticed a strange flashing strobe light on top or near the top of the craft. These are not like the lights you see flashing on a jet or a helicopter. The two UFOs maneuvered slowly and silently probing and just observing our daily activities and routine. They did not seem to present any type of danger to the commercial aircraft. The sides of the two UFOs had a cylinder bell shape, but flat on the top. They were a black metallic color. I watched them fly over the Mutual Benefit Life building in downtown Newark. Suddenly a bright light was emitted from one craft towards me. Although it may have been a reflection from the sun off the surface of the craft, I felt a ray of warmth for a second or two. I felt it might be a sign or signal that they knew I was watching them. As far as I can tell the UFOs were heading west. Perhaps there has been other reports to confirm my sighting? I felt I witnessed the existence and the reality of those marvelous and Divine craft controlled by highly intelligent beings from another solar system, world or dimension. Now I know how the Messiah disciples felt for the first time when they looked up and saw a strange and marvelous divine machine hovering above them. Thanks to Lafayette Robert Ward. INDIANA BLOOMINGTON - Kenny Young reports he received E-mail notification from Mr. Shane Dodd of a UFO sighting on May 11, 1999. Mr. Dodd stated, "Around midnight, I spotted what I believe to be a UFO over East Bloomington close to the Monroe Reservoir." The movement was erratic, but visibility of it was low because it appeared to be in a cloud bank. At first I believed it to be a satellite due to its straight relatively fast path. Then it turned quickly and retraced a parallel path to its original path. It then disappeared from my sight due to obstruction of a tree in my courtyard. It then reappeared to the right of the original path and made a sharp right turn and completely disappeared from sight. I do not know what it was, but it moved with tight and odd maneuvers, too erratic for a conventional aircraft. I have not seen anything in the news in the area about further sightings. There was no sound heard in conjunction with the sighting. The witness reports that the object was the size of a dime at arm's length, which makes for an unusually large object in the sky." For details see: http://home.fuse.net/ufo/BLOOMINGTON.htm Thanks to Kenny Young UFO Research http://home.fuse.net/ufo/ OHIO William Jones State of Ohio Director for MUFON writes, "We have had three reports concerning a UFO over Columbus that was observed after 10:15 PM on Sunday, May 16, 1999. The first report was from a family of three living in Upper Arlington who reported seeing a disk like craft with a dome on top and bottom. There were two bright flashing lights, one at center top and one at center bottom. The object glowed brightly. This glow was brighter from the two domes and more muted from a rectangular or cigar shaped center area. The object was seen south of their position for about ten minutes moving very slowly to the west/northwest. Shortly before this sighting a couple driving on Ackerman Road (two miles east of the family noted above) observed a large bright egg shaped object to the south of their position. It appeared to be over the Ohio State University, perhaps over the football stadium area. It glowed white, was fuzzy on top with a more definitely defined lower area, and it had several blinking lights near the bottom. As they were driving east bound the object seemed to be hovering. They observed this object for a short time until they drove across the Olentangy River. A third witness reports that about 10:15 to 10:20 PM he observed a large bright object traveling 15 to 25 mph southbound, seemingly following I-270. It turned west bound and he was close enough to read the word "Budweiser" on the object's side. It was an advertising blimp lighted from the inside. We will be attempting to find out where the blimp was kept during its stay in the Columbus area. However, any reports from the Columbus area on that Sunday night should be considered with great care. Thanks to William Jones jonesw@BATTELLE.ORG. Editor's Note: I think the reports show people are watching the skies. They may not always be able to identify an object correctly, but at least it's reported. LOUISIANA ZACHARY -- On April 3, 1999, Easter Eve, a diamond shaped object hovered over my aunt's farm at 10:00 PM. It stayed in one spot, but we were able to gauge movement with a high powered telescope. Suddenly the bright whitish light simply went out. It immediately moved to the southeast. The light was so bright and warm and then went out. I could see a ball shaped object in the sky for a few seconds, then it was gone. I am a 31 year old woman who has been abducted and tortured my entire life. I learned this information through hypnosis. If you want to hear more about this eye witness account write me. I have awesome incredible stories that will make your skin crawl. Thanks to Tracierb@swbell.net PUERTO RICO CHUPACABRAS MUFON field investigators have visited the site of the recent Chupacabras (goat suckers) attacks and claim these are verified attacks with many reliable witnesses. I like most people frankly doubted the stories about these strange animals that killed usually by night by sticking fang like teeth into the necks of their victims. In recent weeks the Chupacabras have been killing various types of animals around El Yunque the tallest point in Puerto Rico (3,493 feet). They often leave their victims with core like borings through the eyes and into the brain. The recent descriptions of the Chupacabras by frightened villagers are starting to sound more like the typical Gray alien description. The Chupacabras have come face to face with several ranchers in recent weeks. They appear to have the ability to levitate or float above the ground. Some observers claim to hear the flapping of wings. Our investigators saw footprints and saw how the Chupacabras tore an animal cage apart with what appears to be their bare hands. The locals claim it looks like a big headed gray monster but none are know to ever have attacked humans. They are frequently sighted in relationship to UFOs. A trusted police detective and priest have seen the animal levitating and covered with hair. Our investigators personally saw the ears of a rabbit pulled out of its head an eaten. Chupacabras are known to have killed all kinds of animals including ducks, goats, and cows. At one farm the Chupacabra killed a hundred chickens. The farmer claimed that the Chupacabra's eyes were able to put the chickens into kind of a trance and then killed them at his leisure. They failed to defend themselves or even run. The area of the most recent killings is 20 miles east of San Juan. Local newspapers question how the Chupacabras could reach this area over 100 miles from the previous killing zone. Editor's Note: Last year I visited Puerto Rico. Some caves on the island are twenty stories high and could easily hide a squadron of jet fighters. ARIZONA Bill Hamilton of Skywatch received the following message from a witness in Southern Arizona he would appreciate any feedback anyone has on these sightings. Scott Heckman writes that "The following events are still ongoing with the same unknown craft and regular intervention from US military jets. The amount of activity is not as great or frequent, but flaps do still occur. I haven't been watching much in the last several months, but last week I did spend two nights outside. Last Wednesday evening, May 12, 1999, I witnessed an "unknown'" leaving the planet's atmosphere. Thanks to: Scott Heckman P.O. Box 1535 Bisbee, AZ. 85603 zachec@theriver.com and Bill Hamilton skywatcher22@hotmail.com> CALIFORNIA LOS ANGELES - BiigbdWuIf wrote asking, "I am just checking if anyone reported a strange sighting over Fraiser Park, on the morning of Saturday, May 22, 1999, at 2:35 AM?" I was driving my regular route over the Grapevine, above Los Angeles and saw a slow moving flame trail across the sky. It appeared to be moving eastward and changed colors from fiery yellow to brilliant pulsating white. Then it stopped the fire trail disappeared and it paused separating into three different objects forming a triangle shape. The brightest headed up and southward and the other two headed south toward the Malibu hills. I am not the only one who witnessed this. My girlfriend along for the ride saw the same thing. Any info you can tell me would be appreciated. Thanks to BiigbdWuIf. BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA WHITE ROCK -- Four major UFO sightings occurred in Surrey Corridor on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, May 21 to 23, 1999. Tom Zytaruk reports North Delta resident Graham Conway, president of UFO*BC, is quite impressed with the number of unexplained sightings. This is a fine collection of good eye witness stuff." A man reportedly ran into the Ocean Beach pub about 10:00 PM Friday, "stuttering like mad" that he'd seen a huge blue plasma ball cruising over Semiahmoo Bay. "He said it was monstrous," said UFO tracker Bill Oliver, of Guildford. "He was rattled big time." Whatever it was cast such a bright light it lit up the sea beneath and "apparently acted in an intelligent manner," said Conway. Three South Surrey residents claim to have seen a huge boomerang-shaped object with eight lights on front, at about 10 PM. Shaking with fear, they watched it move "very, very slowly" for about eight seconds before it took off. About five minutes after that siting two persons were standing on White Rock pier when they claim to have seen a wedge-shaped object 'a flying triangle' traveling below the tree level. They watched it for about three or four minutes as it headed across the bay, away from White Rock. Then on Sunday, about 10:15 PM, Jen Pieschel and her boyfriend Kevin Pearce saw a wedge-shaped object flying over Highway 99, near the Crescent Road turnoff. They saw it had blue and red flashing lights, and then spotted an amber flash, like a flare, from a second craft. "We saw something weird," Pieschel said. Thanks to UFO*BC hotline, CAUS, and Surrey Now 5/25/99. UNITED KINGDOM Tim Mathew's writes, "I made contact yesterday with a former high-ranking designer with Hawker-Siddeley - the big aircraft manufacturer who owned AV Roe/AVRO in the 1950s. AVRO, of course, was involved in many classified disc plane projects. The effort involved the test flight of experimental discs in the UK as well as at other locations over the North American continent. These discs were apparently based on early discs recovered from Nazi Germany at the end of WW II. Thanks to Tim Mathews, matthews@zetnet.co. Editor's Note: There are regular reports indicating the US, UK, Canada, USSR, France and forces indigenous to Earth but separate from us were working on the development of flying disc aircraft. NEW ENERGIES New energies are being discovered possibly as the result of the 1989, Pons and Fleischmann experiment at the University of Utah? Several developing technologies look promising such as the one where thermal and direct electrical energy is produced in a ratio of 10 to 100. A patent, #5,018,180 was issued to Kenneth Shoulders on May 21, 1991. Classified patents were also issued before this one in relationship to advanced black aircraft technologies. The source of the energy is apparently from space and its multitude of stars and. Some call this energy "black matter" or neutrinos. It is flowing though our homes and it's passing through each of us right now. Some of the first uses for this energy was the simple heating of homes. The trick is to trap the energy and to keep it inside. This may be what science calls, 'Dark Matter.' This energy may now power huge space ships through intergalactic space. There appears to be a good chance to tap into this universal energy and someday this virtually free energy may be available to anyone. See http://cfpa.berkeley.edu/darkmat/dm.html. AIR FORCE RESEARCH LAB AFTER WARP SPEED Air Force tinkers with 'star-trekking' spaceship engine by Tech. Sgt. Pat McKenna. If Major David Lojewski has his way, Air Force pilots of the future will be streaking through interstellar space and saying, "Set course for Alpha Centauri, maximum warp." Lojewski, a self-confessed "Star Trek" buff, is turning science fiction into science fact in his lab at Kirtland Air Force Base, NM. He and the team at the Air Force Research Lab's high-power systems branch will aid Penn State and NASA in experiments that could lead to a matter/anti matter engine. "This is real E=3DMC2 stuff," said Lojewski, the Air Force's only officer who holds a Ph.D. in pulsed power. "If this works, we could get pure energy. This could be the cleanest fuel ever, evolving into a very cheap resource. The experiments will attempt to measure the energy produced when antimatter and matter combine. Antimatter is the mirror image of matter, but their subatomic particles have opposite electrical charges. For instance, an electron is negative, but an anti-electron (called a positron) is positive. When the two collide, they annihilate each other, causing a powerful burst of energy. "Antimatter/matter annihilation has tremendous energy potential, far greater than the energy created from nuclear fission alone," said Dr. Gerald Smith, a Penn State physics professor and a project leader. "There is a real, promised payoff. I see this becoming a useful energy source, serving mankind down the road. Chemical rockets would need too much bulky fuel to make it to the edge of our solar system. Smith's proposed AIM-Star (Antimatter-Initiated Microfusion Starcraft), however, will burn only a microgram of antimatter a year. Smith said his AIM-Star could get a manned mission to Mars and back in three months. The hybrid engine, however, won't depend solely on antimatter. Antimatter is only a catalyst to spark multiple, nonstop nuclear fission and fusion explosions, like that of an H-bomb detonating, that will blast the starship through space. The service is employing Kirtland's Shiva Star, a machine which simulates the conditions of a nuclear explosion through the use of pulsed power -- a lightning bolt strike of energy generated by a bank of 864 capacitors that can gin up 10 million amps. During the Cold War, the service "shot" Shiva to develop the technology to simulate the effects of a nuclear weapons explosion -- high levels of X-rays and electromagnetic pulses. When Shiva was born in 1975, it had four arms and adopted the name of the multi-limbed Hindu God known as the "destroyer of worlds." When we fire Shiva it sounds like a lightning bolt -- KABOOM! -- and the whole building shakes. It's great!" During the early 1980s, the lab conducted "Star Wars" research. The service used the Shiva Star to test a rail-gun concept, accelerating small objects 10 to 15 times faster than a bullet. Scientists proposed sending a battery of these rail guns into space to defend against incoming enemy warheads. After the Cold War, the lab tinkered with a possible "plasma gun" -- a weapon that fired a compact coil of pure energy -- a sort of invisible smoke ring of electricity or "donuts of death," but the project was scrapped because the rings dissipated too quickly. SIX US ROCKET FAILURES WASHINGTON (AP) White House Correspondent Terence Hunt -- President Clinton ordered an investigation Wednesday into a troubling string of six U.S. rocket failures in less than nine months. Losses have totaled $3.5 billion. ``It is vitally important that we fully understand the root causes behind the recent launch vehicle failures and take corrective action,'' Clinton said in a memo to Defense Secretary William Cohen. Clinton instructed Cohen to coordinate his work with CIA Director George Tenet and NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin and to report preliminary findings within 90 days, with a final report due in six months. `The failed rockets were carrying three military satellites, two commercial communication satellites, and a privately owned satellite capable of taking detailed, military-quality photographs of Earth. Two of the rockets exploded on launch, three satellites were stuck in useless orbits and another satellite vaporized in the atmosphere. With 52 U.S. launches since the beginning of 1998, the six failures represent a failure rate of more than 10 percent -- twice the rate experienced in the previous six years. Three of the rockets were launched by the Air Force and three by aerospace companies. AP-05/19/99 Copyright 1998 ARE UFOs RE-SEEDING OUR PLANET? AUSTRALIA -- Barry Taylor writes that he has interviewed people in Northern New South Wales (Grafton, Lismore, Coffs Harbor and Tweed Heads) that have seen these objects drop 'sparks' while they were over water. One local lady saw one drop 'sparks' in a vacant block of ground next to them. If they were doing it like 'dripping wax' it would happen as they fly along at any time over houses, shops and roads. But, the craft have mainly been dropping 'sparks' over water. If this is what it appears to be, than they would have to have some recollection as to where the water is. When I saw the one near my place, the creek is very narrow. If their intention was to drop the 'sparks' into that creek, than they would have to have some means of aiming while they were still on the move. The 'sparks' were ejected out in a quick 'burst' when over the creek. It appeared to me, as if it was their intention to do just that. Others have seen them drop 'sparks' into the Clarence and Tweed Rivers. In the past, there have been major fish kills and Algae blooms in both these Rivers. I am not suggesting that the UFO 'seeding' has caused this, for I would rather contend that the UFO 'seeding' was an attempt to 'repair' the river system of its pollution. That their intention (Agenda) was to repair our environment for us. After all, we are 'killing' this Planet aren't we? If this is for real, than they could be 'seeding' something into the water. Perhaps alien microbes or something similar. Lets assume the 'sparks' were biological. They are dropped into rivers and stagnant water ways where mosquitoes breed. The mosquito larva could feed on these genetically formulated microbes that were carried to animals or humans when blood was transferred. The mosquito bite could infect animals or humans with some virus or genetically engineered genes to alter the reproductive system. The 'sparks' could be bacteria that purifies our water, meaning they are trying to fix it. Water evaporates and falls as rain onto our crops and eventually becomes our drinking water. Some microbes could be spread great distances this way. What ever they are doing, it appears deliberate and calculated. Thanks to Barry Taylor stingray@nor.com.au, http://www.nor.com.au/users/stingray/ 9th GREAT UFO/ET ALIEN & ABDUCTION CONGRESS -- June 5-6, 1999, Bordentown Day's Inn, NJ Turnpike & State 206, 609/298-6100; Pat Marcatillio 221 Joan Terr., Hamilton, NJ 08629, -- Saturday 10:00 a.m.: Pat Marcatillio, "Welcome" 10:30: Bob Durant, "Roswell? Yes!" 1:30: Harold Eglen, "Non-Human Challenge" 3:45: Dr. Beard, This World is Hollow" 5: Stella Lansing, "UFO's and Aliens Captured on Film!" 8: Derrel Sims, "Scientific Evidence of Abductions" Sunday 10 a.m.: Derrel Sims, "Mass Abduction Events 1:30: Marianne Horrigan, "Contact of the Fifth Kind" 3:30: Bob Teets, "UFO's and Strange Encounters" 5:30: George Reynolds, "UFOs, Crop Circles and Little People"
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 UFO Ballot Initiative On 'UFO Desk' Tonight From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:34:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:37:40 -0400 Subject: UFO Ballot Initiative On 'UFO Desk' Tonight All, Well, after several attempts we're going to try it again. Please drop by the UFO Desk website tonite at ten and check out the webcast program on the UFO Ballot initiative. This is potentially important legislation that could open the floodgates and erode the secrecy surrounding this phenomena. Hope you can listen, hope it all works. Thanks. Paul Williams Executive Producer UFO Desk ICQ#32519151 Listen to UFO Desk on the web, Friday evening 2200hrs (10pm) east coast time @ http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html Long Live Samori Marksman Hero of the People!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon From: Bill Knapp <bill.knapp@> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:01:01 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:13:38 -0400 Subject: Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon For the first time the existence of a global spy network, led by the USA and the UK, was officially confirmed. Martin Brady, director of the Defence Signals Directorate in Canberra, Australia said that his country was a member of an organisation called UKUSA which operates Echelon--a giant computerised network that eavesdrops on electronic communications on a global scale, especially (but not limited to) that carried on satellites. The other member countries of the pact are not only the U.K. and the USA, as the name implies, but also Canada and New Zealand. Although the DSD does not use the term "Echelon", government sources have confirmed that what was known about the system so far is correct. The main source has been New-Zealand based author Nicky Hager who described the function of the Echelon stations all over the world as follows: "Some monitor communications satellites, others land-based communications networks, and others radio communications. Echelon links together all these facilities, providing the U.S. and its allies with the ability to intercept a large proportion of the communications on the planet--not just international traffic but sometimes within countries anywhere in the world." According to Hager, land-based communications systems are tapped as well, and there are also U.S. spy satellites that can intercept microwave transmissions from space. Australia's main contribution to this system, reports The Age, "is an ultra-modern intelligence base at Kojarena, near Geraldton in Western Australia. The station was built in the early 1990s. At Kojarena, four satellite tracking dishes intercept Indian and Pacific Ocean communications satellites. The exact target of each dish is concealed by placing them inside golfball like 'radomes'". Echelon automatically checks phone calls, faxes, e-mail and almost everything kind of electronic communications against keywords (which is easier than it sounds.) The Australian station, for instance, looks for North Korean economic, diplomatic and military messages and data, Japanese trade ministry plans, and Pakistani developments in nuclear weapons technology and testing. [It will in fact look for many more topics, primarily of economic nature. Another word for that is industry espionage, or commercial intelligence.] If a message meets the criteria, it is sent to the other UKUSA members using a dedicated network. 80 percent of the messages captured in Australia are passed to the U.S. National Security Agency or to its British counterpart unread. More stations have meanwhile been identified as Echelon sites, such as a U.S. Navy station at Sugar Grove, West Virginia/USA, and Sabana Seca, Puerto Rico. Of course, the Internet (satellite-based or not) is also under surveillance. Most of the international traffic runs through the U.S. backbones anyway. Special U.S. nuclear-powered submarines reportedly even tap underwater cables around the world (not only those which pass the U.S.) The official revelations by the Australian government are a major blow against the USA which so far would not confirm the mere existence of UKUSA, let alone the Echelon system.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: Ball Lightings Explained? From: Christophe Meessen <meessen@mailclub.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:48:01 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:12:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Ball Lightings Explained? >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk> >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 03:32:40 +0200 (MET DST) >Subject: Ball Lightings Explained? >To: updates@globalserve.net >Source: New Scientist, May 22, 1999, >http://www.newscientist.com:80/ns/19990522/newsstory11.html Nice thoughts but the association between fire balls and tornado is not so common. Regarding fire balls reports it is really a minority. My father has studied this extensively but didn't had time to publish his findings yet. There are a few reports of fire balls traversing windows. Since glass is an electric insulator and not quit good to vehicule chemical reactions, the only logical explanation would be that electro-magnetic waves are involved and thus that the ball is more like a sort of a stable plasma ball. I can't go into much detail since this must still be published. As the tornado is a stable concentration of energy in the form or air speed, fire balls would be a very high concentration of electro-magnetic energy but in a form that can sustain a significant time. Is it needed to say that there are indeed relations with the electro-magnetic propulsion proposed by my father. In some way, fire balls could be a natural instance of the principle used for the EM propulsion by UFOs. Best regards,
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 28 Re: First 'Grey' Report? From: Tim D. Brigham <TBrigham@ksinc.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:33:39 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:19 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report? Hi Mark, Excellent post. I know it was addressd to John, but you mentioned several points which related to my query on neuropsych. Sorry I don't have time give you a just response- long night of work and I am going on pure caffeine now- but a few thoughts- >There are some obvious relationships between medical >symptoms which seem common between abductees / >high strangeness witnesses and epilepsy patients (or, >one should say, persons with traumatic brain injury). An >excellent survey of these symptoms can be found at >http://www.ellenwhite.org/headinjury.htm >They include: >"the following complaints: headaches, vertigo and dizziness, >nervousness, irritability, impaired memory, inability to >concentrate, excessive fatigue, difficulty with sleep... Other >attributes include a sense of ill health and a reduction >in the capacity to earn a livelihood." >These symptoms, which are present in various high-strangeness >witnesses (usually after the event), can still be suggestive in >two ways - >1) They are the cause of the report. >2) They are the result of the events described (i.e. "paralysis" >by ray, etc. causes temporary or permanent brain malfunction >or damage) Agreed that we have to be very careful about inferring causation, one way or the other. >On the pro-abduction-reality side of a relationship between TLE >and abductions is: >"In 1933 Penfield discovered that when he electrically >stimulated certain groups of nerve cells in the temporal lobe, >the patient would "relive" - as in a moving picture or a >"flashback" - what had been experienced in one way or another >earlier in life. In other words, the temporal lobe system >records all the experiences that a particular person has had; >and even if it is beyond the direct recall of the individual >(forgotten), it is still recorded and can be brought back to >consciousness by artificial electrical stimulation or by an >electrical discharge in the brain during an epileptic seizure." >In other words, if a witness had a TLE effect as a result of an >event in a real abduction experience, or exposure to some weapon >used by the occupants, it is possible for a later seizure to >"replay" the actual events at a later date. Again, something >similar to this has been reported occasionally in the UFO >literature. However, I don't think the replay would necessarily be of the event which physically 'caused' the TLE, if in fact that is what happened. Unlike PTSD, I don't think a TLE seizure would cause the replay of any _specific_ memory, and instead it would be - might be, I should say- random (which is just another word for "chosen by a method which we don't yet know about"). <snip> >Another pattern of interest which should be looked for in the >abduction data is: >"Lennox has pointed out that seizures lasting several hours >might occur once or twice a year; and that the more frequent the >seizures are, the more likely that they will be of short >duration. (79) Partial complex seizures usually last from only a >few seconds to several minutes, but may also last hours and, >rarely, days." >In other words, if abductions are related to TLE, then those >reporting most frequent abductions will show the shortest amount >of missing time for each (on average). Again, this is a study >which has not been done. Very intersting, and very true. However, as I kick around possible ideas for research relating to the subject of abduction experiences, more and more problems creep in, making it a logistical nightmare for me. One major one is, how can we be sure that we measure a representative population of "abductees?" there may be many, many causal factors behind abduction reports, as I am sure you will agree. If I measure the widget response on 16 abductees, or, say, how their EEG's fluctuate when analyzing a stimulus of an unusual nature in a lab compared to a control group, what if 6 abductees have unusual results, but these results are masked by the others, causing us to think there is no significant difference? Possibly comparing each participant's result to the mean could would lead to some understanding and maybe even fodder for more research? In which we would be studying the subgroup of abductees who showed significant differences and hence their reports may likely have a large biological component.... Thoughts on this are welcome. I am of course not saying that this phenomenon is beyond the scope of scientific inquiry, I am just saying I don't know if it can be carried out by someone like me.... yet ;) And I hope you don;t mind my using your discussion of such research as a springboard to clear up some of my own muddled thoughts on the matter. <snip> >Of course, we have the Walton case and the Andreasson case >to name two very famous cases. In the Walton case, the >witnesses did not in any way participate in the abduction >and thus the case may be considered multiple independent >witness. The Allagash abduction is a multiple abduction, and, >of course, so is the Hill case. The Allagash case is problematic for me- mainly because of the hypnosis aspect and one of the participant's statement that his memories of the event "don't feel like a real memory," and that he himself is unsure of what happened. The Hill case I find more interesting for a variety of reasons, but again, it suffers from its own problems. The Venezuela and New Zealand cases you mention, and other cases of that ilk, seem to be more promising in regards to be being observable and objectively and physically real, but one must wonder if they may suffer from problems of their own, which we just don't know about for reasons of geography, amount of research done, language barriers, etc etc. >I hope that none of this will be taken as disrespect to those >who have had or reported these experiences. Determining >the nature of the abduction experience is important, if >for no other reason than to end or alleviate the suffering >of those with these experiences. Sadly, as careful as many >of the researchers in this field have tried to be, however, >there is a tremendous amount of contamination and there >are many problematic accounts. We must be very very >careful to avoid attributing specific objective reality to >some of these events, and we must be especially wary >of doing damage to concepts of objective physical reality >in attempting to bring these events within the sphere of >understanding. If, indeed, these events present new >insights into the nature of reality, those insights will have >to wait until the serious, objective, and fact-based >research required has been undertaken. >------ >Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at >http://www.temporaldoorway.com >- Original digital art, writing, music and more - Finally, and perhaps most importantly, I very much agree with your last statement. Despite my rantings on possible challenges to our concept of reality that UFOs/abductions _may_ present (that is, when I am not in a PSH fit), I am in no way advocating a "paranormal theory" of their nature, in that paranormal, to me, applies something outside the realm of science. I simply maintain that science isn't over yet, not that it's useless in regards to these phenomena. But, I also think it IS important that we go over all possible theories to account for such things. For example, you mentioned (via a quote taken from a TLE essay I believe) the possibly that deliberately induced hallucinations, aimed at the temporal lobe, could be responsible for some accounts. For some time I have found that idea very intriguing. Of course the work of someone like Persinger doesn't replicate abduction experiences perfectly, but we must keep in mind that his methods may not nearly be refined. There are so many possibilities of what may be occuring, and combinations of different factors which may be at play, sometimes I feel like I need to make a concept map just so I can keep my own train of thought (there's a good years work right there). But I don't dismiss the ETH, or the PSH, or anything else, completely. Heck, maybe the flexing of that wonderful mental muscle we call the brain, or "the noodle" to use a technical term, is one of the reasons we are facing this in the first place. Best wishes, Tim Brigham PS Excuse any loopy typos or mistakes. But hey, who needs sleep, right? Well, me, for one. )+( TBrigham@ksinc.net www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ufo.htm The Devil's Advocate www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/ring.htm Operation MindPhuck "Better to go hungry than to feast on lies." )+(
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:36:04 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:49:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >Date: Thu, 27 May 99 08:44:41 PDT >>Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:35:11 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>Date: Tue, 25 May 99 12:09:58 PDT >>>>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >>>>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:15:23 EDT >>>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>To: updates@globalserve.net >>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>>>>Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >>>>>Date: Sun, 23 May 99 19:35:37 PDT >> >>>Suspecting that a few agencies of the U.S. government are >>>concealing UFO secrets -- an entirely reasonable position -- >>>>>>>>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>>>>>>>conspiracy. >>>>>>>Precisely. >>It would appear that you want to have it both ways, sir. <not an >>affectation but a sincere expression of respect. I owe everyone >>initial respect.>You seem to _admit_ to the tips of some very >>dirty 'bergs. >I confess that with each passing posting, I understand less and >less of what you're trying to say. Conversely -- I think I understand _you_ perfectly. >Recently, you seemed to >argue that because you'd never heard of the Protocols of the >Elders of Zion (which I first learned of when I was in high >school, while reading a book on political extremism and >conspiracy theory) That explains it. The draft was breathing on me heavily and I was drinking beer and chasing girls. Fool that I was -- I was making hay as that furtive sun shone. Likely -- I'll catch up. >this amounted to evidence of a plot to keep >such knowledge from you. . . . Knowledge kept from most of us, Mr. Clark. You too. I think you find that singularly insulting to your, perhaps, too proud sensibility. >Now you want us to believe that >because governments keep secrets, they are by definition >involved in extraordinary (and, needless to say, sinister) >conspiracies. No -- that the potential for these larger conspiracies (in an abused privilege of arguably *necessary* secret keeping) is at _least_ considerable, not beyond the scope of probability, and perhaps even likely! >This is on par with your inability to discern the >simple difference between exercising editorial judgment and >burning books -- A difference that is mistaken and distorted by many, or you haven't heard that the "The catcher in the rye" is on the endangered species list yet _again_. >which in itself tells me that your ability to >read phenomena in the world is impaired by poor vision. While I, on the other hand, feel that I leave _behind_ me what remains far _before_ you. <g>. >If you >expect to be taken seriously, you'd better start employing >arguments that make sense. I _expect_ to continue writing my conscience, Mr. Clark. That my arguments make no "sense" to you is not exactly crippling me with surprise. >>>is not the same as believing in vast, sinister conspiracies. >>In as much as there is no real forthcoming way to know the >>breadth and scope of the conspiracy you _admit_ to, your >>preceding statement is meaningless, isn't it? >See above. Let me break it down for you. On the one hand you say people cooperate in agencies to hide facts about UFO's. If done unethically or illegally (_my_ strong suspicion) as many from your "light side" maintain, then it is a conspiracy. Yet conspiracy does _not_ occur. You would argue that there is no evidence of huge *sinister* conspiracy, and therefore there is none. In answer, I can only resurrect the old polemic, " absence of evidence does not mean . . ." >>>Of course all governments keep secrets; >>I believe you and I think it _may_ be possible to that this >>prerogative has been _richly_ abused. >Most secrets are kept for the most trivial reasons, such as >bureaucratic lethargy. Would that we could examine the mechanisms of that bureaucratic lethargy -- find some surprises there too, I would bet. >Unfortunately, the very existence of >secrets, however banal, gives conspiracy theorists the >opportunity to richly abuse reason and evidence in service of >paranoia. A great way to keep the bottom nice and murky, huh? A forthcoming current from government, media, and church would wash it all away. Yet, that current does not come. >>>For the difference between sane >>>speculation on one side and mad fantasy on the other, just think >>>of Donald Keyhoe as representing the former and the Dark Siders >>>(Cooper, Lear, English, et al.) the latter. >>A division forgetting, for a moment, how the latter can gain, >>maintain, and keep the popular attention, while the former >>languishes in amused and unfounded ridicule. What's the >>mechanism of that, sir? I'm sure the answer would surprise both >>of us. >Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about a huge volume of photographic, quality anecdotal, and trace evidence that exists already -- fair BEGGING for a mainstream _in depth_ investigation that is just NOT forthcoming! Instead, the mainstream focuses on the new age woo woo weird music aspect of mindless conspiracy speculation and keeps misdirecting tongues buried in prevaricating cheeks. The dross profits while the serious researcher is ruined sometimes to the point of taking their own lives. What's the _mechanism_ of that? Get it? >All I can say >is that if you want to attract attention, what you do is this: >broadcast as loudly as possible the most extreme, absurd, >paranoid claims, promote them fiercely, and shout with every >breath that a vast conspiracy is keeping the "truth" from the >citizenry -- and believe me, you'll have a whole herd of the >terminally frightened among your paying customers. Keyhoe was >too sane, too responsible, and too honest to play that game. Well -- we could certainly have wished him more success. Seems he took an inordinate amount of ridicule for his pains. What _is_ the mechanism of that ridicule? >>>Contrails are the latest fad on the far right, perhaps soon to >>>replace black helicopters as something to keep conspiracists up >>>at night, weaponry in hand. >>And all of them basted in an ignorance that you won't cop to the >>mechanisms for; all of them smelling smoke easily blown away by >>a forthcoming unprevaricating breeze. >I'm glad that we agree that contrail believers are ignorant. (I >am taking a benign reading of what you're trying to say here, of >course. Your words are sufficiently muddled that they could be >read either way, but I prefer to believe the best about you.) Well, thank you sir! And I return the sentiment. >I confess that I don't understand all of the "mechanisms" that >underlie paranoia and belief in conspiracy theories. Oh -- I think you would find that they all hovered around a second rate education system, lack of forthcoming leadership, misdirecting press, and intolerant religious institutions. >One, >however, may be a deep desire to simplify a world that is, in >fact, hugely complex and unpredictable. Even a belief in an evil >larger order is, in an odd way, comforting, because it implies >that order can be imposed on the profoundly unsettling chaos of >reality (and of course it holds out the hope that, once the >sinister controlling forces have been vanquished, a benevolent >order can take their place). As all of us who live in the real >world know, it doesn't work that way. No! WE understand that it is a lot more contrived and convenient than that and that the non benevolent order will _continue_ to hold sway <g>. >In an interesting essay in The American Prospect (May/June >1999), Alan Wolfe looks back on sociologist C. Wright Mills's >The Power Elite (1956), a now nearly forgotten but once highly >influential book which sought, in effect, to posit an >intellectually respectable version of a left-wing conspiracy >theory. MiIls was a particular influence on New Left thinking >during the 1960s, but his ideas are now mostly discredited. >Wolfe, himself a sociologist, points to the inherent problem of >conspiracy theories (though he does not use the term; neither >did Mills, who was too canny to do so ): >"Only in a society which changes relatively little is it >possible for an elite to have power in the first place, for if >events change radically, then it tends to be the events >controlling the people rather than the people controlling the >events. There can be little doubt that those who hold the >highest positions in America's corporate hierarchy remain, as >they did in Mills's day, the most powerful Americans. But not >even they can control rapid technological transformations, . . . just profit from them -- regardless of cost. >intense global competition, It's ALWAYS been good to be King . . . most will continue to try. >and ever-changing consumer tastes. . . . Largely dictated to us in an unrelenting campaign of constant advertisement. > >American capitalism is simply too dynamic to be controlled for >very long by anyone." Which won't stop the ubiquitous sociopath from trying. >Coincidentally, I happen to be reading a splendid book, John >Lewis Gaddis's We Know Now: Rethinking Cold War History (1997). >While reading it, I couldn't help thinking (1) how real >scholarship, as opposed to the unfettered speculation we see in >conspiracist polemic, is conducted and (2) how that scholarship >shows how incredibly complex, varied, and vast are the forces >that underlie and drive relationships in societies and among >nations. The notion that they are, or even could be, controlled >by a massive conspiracy -- one whose existence, moreover, can't >even demonstrated to the satisfaction of reasonable people -- is >as sensible as the belief that the earth is flat and rests on >the back of an enormous turtle. (Or maybe _that_ is what the >conspiracy is about: to keep us ignorant of the turtle.) Perhaps -- _you_ wouldn't know. >>>>Where do I draw the line? Where do you? > >>>I try to keep this principle in mind: the real world is bad >>>enough. >>The real world is a lot badder than you know. "Enough" is just >>wishful thinking. >Dream -- or, in your case, nightmare -- on, my friend. Hey hoss -- I'm a conscious man of conscientious conscience, but a product of my times. Nightmare is the order of the day. >Meanwhile, while you and your friends are pursuing imaginary >evils, the world's many real and terrible problems continue, >ignored and unaddressed by you. Still -- I'll push for courage to ask questions, make observations, and draw tentative conclusions on my own. Then, like you, I'll write about them. >To revive an old slogan: You're >part of the problem, not part of the solution. Exactly the charge I would have leveled at you. I suppose, that for the moment, we should do as I suggested earlier and just agree to disagree. That would be a reasonable step forward, wouldn't you think? Be that as it may, you should keep me around to see the forest you've lost in the observation of your single tree. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 27 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:48:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:04:16 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Allen Loper <cheepnis@mindspring.com> >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:47 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:03:52 -0400 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Retirement time,. No big lasers in space. No particle beams >>in space. >Dear Bruce, >Please dont take this the wrong way but I am unconvinced. Just >because you say they don't exist doesnt mean that they don't. I >would be interested in any sources or references you could >provide on this subject because you have now piqued my interest. >thanks in advance, >k Allen- You should go back to the UpDates Archive and see if you can search on this subject. As Bruce has noted, there was a lot of dicussion regarding this subject about a year ago, and there isn't really a need to go into it again (unless someone has something new to offer). Of course, one would have to review the previous discussion to determine if what they had to offer was new to the debate. I think the basic issue here revolved around the power source that would be needed to effect changes on the surface from a satellite in space, even if such a laser technology existed. There are several basic issues here that would have to be addressed, unless we want to re-define the "scientific" foundation altogether. [Thu, 15 Oct 1998 saw the start of the 'Crop Circles/Balls of Light thread - at the Archive [ ufomind.com/ufo/updates ] scroll down to October 1998, click and scroll down. The Subject lines are clickable -- ebk]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:21:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:19:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >From: GBourdais@aol.com >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:38:40 EDT >Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >To: updates@globalserve.net >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: IUR: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >>Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT >>Gentle listfolk: >>The lead article is a long piece by the highly regarded >>Australian ufologist Bill Chalker, a chemist by profession, >>documenting his investigation of an abduction case with sexual >>overtones. The incident turns out to be more than just another >>intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the >>alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, >>evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists >>for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The >>scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a >>host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. >>This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and >>debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's >>something every ufologist should read. >> >Yes, this is a very important research! >If biological evidence of alien nature is to be confirmed, it >will be a "smoking gun" of the alien presence on Earth ! Just as >well as implants, or UFO debris, would be. But we are still >waiting for that. >This brings another question : we have been discussing for many >years on the hybrid hypothesis, without definite proof. What >about DNA analysis, made on suspected hybrids who would accept >such an analysis ? Perhaps it is done already, but kept >confidential for obvious reasons. >I talked about that with Budd Hopkins when I had the chance to >meet him in Brazilia, in December 1997. He told me that he did >not want to get involved in such a study, not only for that >reason - confidentiality , and human decency - but for legal >reasons as well. Hi Jerry, Gildas, All, After Jerry set of his little nuclear device on the list I decided to sit back and watch the fireworks. Except for this note from Gildas there hasn't been a peep or a whimper from anyone. I figure either everyone is waiting for further news/confirmation or everyone is in shock. Jerry's 'news' (if true) is nothing short of monumental. I don't know how it has affected 'the English' (as the Amish would say) but it is sending ~shock waves~ thru the abductee/ experiencer community. I have always admonished the members of IF-AIC to remain as anonymous as humanly possible for precisely the reasons mentioned in Gildas' post. I am more afraid of an armed Christian fundamentalist than I am of anything the aliens themselves might do. I'm not just blowing smoke either. Look at how many abortion clinic workers have had their brains blown out in the name of the Lord and the preservation of Life! The day it is confirmed that aliens are not only among us but interacting with humans will be like 'open season' has been declared on abductees. Maintaining "privacy" will be the least of the worries. Maintaining life and limb will have greater priority. As for the evidence itself; it will only be met with incredulous disbelief on the part of the public and the academic community. They had "DNA evidence" in the Simpson case and he's still walking around a free man! The public and the academics won't believe anything short of a living, breathing, alien that they could poke and prod. And even then, some would have to cut it and see it bleed before they'd believe it isn't just a "Hollywood" stunt or special effect. I almost hope that they aren't ready to make their presence known to all. As a race we're not ready, and the trouble that will be visited on their human subjects by their own brethern is something that should be (justifiably) feared. Peace, John Velez, Alien spawn ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:21:50 -0400 Subject: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:50:45 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >>Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:26 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>You can't be fully aware of the effects, and logically expect a >>human to create them. >Not the humans, but possibly natural affects of the crop being >flattened. That's why it's imperative for a known man-made >circle to be tested as a control sample, and not just one at that. >Various circles in different crop at different periods during >growth would give abse readings. >...How on earth can you expect to know >what anaomalous affects can be found in a so called genuine >formation if you don't know what natural affects there are in a >known man-made formation? >You expect untouched crop to grow identically to flattened crop? >You really can't compare the two, for a comparison you certainly >need the environment for the samples to be identical as >possible. That would include flattening some crop outside the >formation, but as close to it as possible and test the two >samples, taking into consideration the time lapse between when >each was flattened. Tony, Comprehensive tests of the kind you are calling for have now been made, and were reported (just yesterday on UFO Updates, if I recall right) by Nancy Talbott. The test results showed conclusively that the man-made circles caused by tromping or using boards do not produce the various peculiarities observed in the genuine crop circles. I could attach a copy of the report if you missed it, or perhaps ebk would do this. And of course, Bruce Maccabee clearly dispelled any naive thoughts that the crop formations could be generated by any of our satellites from space. On the other hand, the many reports wherein a crop- circle formation was discovered a day or half day after a dramatic UFO sighting in the same locale, plus even more direct evidence, continues to implicate the UFO entities as being the artists involved. Jim Deardorff http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: Jsmortell@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:07:03 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:25:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >From: GBourdais@aol.com >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:38:40 EDT >Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >To: updates@globalserve.net >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: IUR: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >>Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT >>Gentle listfolk: >>The lead article is a long piece by the highly regarded >>Australian ufologist Bill Chalker, a chemist by profession, >>documenting his investigation of an abduction case with sexual >>overtones. The incident turns out to be more than just another >>intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the >>alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, >>evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists >>for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The >>scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a >>host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. >>This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and >>debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's >>something every ufologist should read. >> >Yes, this is a very important research! >If biological evidence of alien nature is to be confirmed, it >will be a "smoking gun" of the alien presence on Earth ! Just as >well as implants, or UFO debris, would be. But we are still >waiting for that. >This brings another question : we have been discussing for many >years on the hybrid hypothesis, without definite proof. What >about DNA analysis, made on suspected hybrids who would accept >such an analysis ? Perhaps it is done already, but kept >confidential for obvious reasons. >I talked about that with Budd Hopkins when I had the chance to >meet him in Brazilia, in December 1997. He told me that he did >not want to get involved in such a study, not only for that >reason - confidentiality , and human decency - but for legal >reasons as well. >I think we should consider seriously a very grim prospect if >some people were to become proven hybrids (or an equivalent of >that). The problems encountered by Linda Cortile with the two >bodyguard give us a lot to think about. And also the dark >visions of fundamentalists >chasing the devils. What about the ominous risk a "hybrid hunt" ? >Gildas Bourdais Dear Jerry, Gildas and spawns of lizards like me... maybe... I just read a post by a man who I respect and love. He's a spawn of a lizard, which is what I call him, however he may not be a spawn of a lizard exactly, he may be just an alien spawn. Me? If I am a spawn of anything, it's a lizard. One with a kisser what looks a lot like one of them praying mantis'... that look she gets during copulation, as she begins to devour her mate. A lot like humans, these mantis's, eh? Anyway, this person who I love and respect, said that knowledge of us being spawns of lizards and other assorted object d'art, may create a danger to our persons. I agree. Which is why I have begun developing a mantle of insanity, like the Gripple and Gesundt mantles.... it's because I believe I have a theory which, if true, requires all of us supsected of being alien spawn, to act like loonies and not merely be perceived as loonies without actually acting it out. Please, allow me to explain. As I opined in another post to my friend, I believe that anyone who is different will be persecuted. It's written in the law I think.... pretty sure of that. Are there any attorneys (gag) on line who can check the law for me? But here is the theory, one which I intend to try this very Memorial Day weekend... I will seek out the ugliest, dirtiest, freakazoid minority members I can find. Preferably, they should be twins in order to ensure identicallity.... (is that a word?). Volunteers will be paid in Gripple. OK, I take two minority members, twins and very ugly and dirty. I have to have only a minority which is the most hated in the world. So I pick Eskimos. Nobody likes them blubber sucking loonies... and they're all short too! One Eskimo will act completely sane and the other will act completely insane, for a selected, red neck audience which I will hand pick. I mean these rednecks are gonna be so bad, they'll hafta leave their white hoods home and burn the cross somewhere else, beCAUSe I just won't allow it at the Gripple Works. OK so far? I will bet you dollars to donuts (I used to be an auxiliary State Cop) that the eskimo who acts SANE will be stoned and asked to leave the neighborhood. But the eskimo who acts nuts will be given a home by the City of NY and food stamps and the only thing which will be aksed of him (or her) will be to wear (or use) a condom. That's it. Now, what's this gotta do with Jerry's post? Simple. All of us who are alien spawns (I am DEFINITELY a spawn of a lizard) will act completely nuts and nobody is gonna bother us. They may even give us free room and board. And we'll never hafta buy another condom at the drugstore again as long as we live. Aint that great? Jaime Gesundt
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 This Week on the UFO Community on MSN From: Diana Botsford <Diana_Botsford@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:00:37 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:27:12 -0400 Subject: This Week on the UFO Community on MSN The UFO Community on MSN is available at: http://communities.msn.com/ufo/ All chats are accessible by using either our built in chat page, MS Chat or any IRC client. The chat server name is irc.msn.com and the channel/room name is #briefing. ======================================== ***Australia! UFOs in Australia Chat with Diane Harrison UFO Researcher Saturday May 29th at 6:00 pm PT (US) (Sunday May 30th at 10:00 am Australian Time) Australia has made it's mark in the field of Ufology with incidents such as the multiple abductees case of Kelly Cahill. Diane Harrison - Director of several key organizations in Australia will join the UFO Community on MSN to discuss current investigations and little known cases. We've set the time for this chat so that Australians, Americans and Europeans can all meet together to learn from each other. Find out just what is buzzing the skies down under. Diane's motto: Sharing is Caring and if you do care you will share all you know about the UFO phenomena.. ======================================== ***Society for Planetary SETI Research CHAT: From Earth to Mars Tuesday, 6pm, PT with Dr. John Brandenburg Wednesday, 7pm, PT with Dr. Horace Crater, Geologist Harry Moore, Author and Agent Stephen Corrick and Dr. John Brandenburg. Various Audio Interviews now available online. A year later and a dollar smarter? A cliche way of saying that the SPSR has not wasted it's time in learning everything possible from the Mars Global Surveyor images as well as recent mars meteorite findings. What's of more importance is how these same findings may affect our planet Earth. This week they'll be presenting those findings at the American Geophysical Union Spring Meeting and here on MSN in the UFO Community's Briefing Room. Join the chats this Tuesday@ 6pm, PT and Wednesday@ 7pm, PT and talk to SPSR direct from the AGU in Boston. Dr. John Brandenburg will join the UFO Community on MSN this Tuesday at 6pm, PT to discuss his observations - which are being presented in a poster session at the AGU - regarding how a Dead Mars reflects on Earth's own hazardous situation where the ozone depletion is measureable on a yearly basis. On Wednesday at 7pm, PT - Brandenburg will return along with Dr. Horace Crater, Geologist Harry Moore (instrumental in discovering a body of water nearby the 'Cydonia Face' on Mars) and Stephen Corrick - agent for SPSR and a contributing member. ======================================== ***UFO Community's World Wide Watch Join the UFO Community on MSN for an all night, world round sighting expedition. From Australia to Atlanta, Georgia . . . From Glasgow to Japan, UFO organizations and individuals will join us in searching the skies throughout the globe for UFOs. The UFO Community's chat room, #briefing on the MSN chat servers, will be kept open for a 24 hour period where regional coordinators will receive sightings reports from any and all observers. This information will be made instantly available on a public newsgroup created solely for this event. Upon completion of the event, a database of the reports will be generated and presented to any and all organizations and interested parties. This is an opportunity for all those interested in the phenomenon to participate in developing information for researchers around the globe in their pursuit of the truth regarding Ufology. It is a chance to cross boundaries between countries, attitudes and beliefs and simply join in a fact finding mission that will aid all involved. We encourage all organizations and individuals to join us as regional coordinators, phone tree organizers and chat room participants in this endeavor. Beginning June 15th, the UFO Community will have a new newsgroup located at news://msnnews.msn.com/msn.forums.ufo.wwwatch where you can register your team and be assigned an online partner to share your sightings with the chat room and the international UFO Community. Don't forget your cell phone to join the phone tree of region coordinators who will be passing on sightings reports throughout the night in our chat room. And for the really hi tech crew, we remind you to not forget your wireless laptop so you can join the all night chat! Those with questions can email the MSN UFO team at watchfire_FM@msn.com. ========================================= Chats This Week at the UFO Community on MSN: SUNDAYS - The Politics of UFOs - 6pm, PT TUESDAYS - This Week in the News - 6pm, PT WEDNESDAYS - Ancient Connections- 7pm, PT THURSDAYS - UFO Skeptics - 7pm, PT FRIDAYS - The Science of UFOs - 8pm, PT SATURDAYS - Abductions - 1pm, PT - 9pm, GMT SATURDAYS - General Discussion - 6pm, PT Our chat room is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for discussion relating to any UFO issues. ======================================== We look forward to seeing you online. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 The Enigma Channel - The First Web TV Station From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:05:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:31:06 -0400 Subject: The Enigma Channel - The First Web TV Station Dear Errol and List Members, I have been asked to distribute the following message to ufologists. As far as I know the message is genuine and the enigmatv.com domain **IS** registered to Christopher Everard: ________________________________________ To:UFOINFO From: Christopher Everard Re: The Enigma Channel The World's First Totally FREE Global TV Station broadcasting on the Internet Hello, My name is Christopher Everard, I am the Chairman/CEO of The Enigma Channel - a new Internet TV Station which will be launched later this year. I do hoppe you can distribute the following information to ufologists... The Enigma Channel is one of two new TV services being launched in association with EAVAP - the European Academy of Video & Audio Production - which is having a new broadcast studio complex being built inside The Chocolate Factory Studio Centre at Alexandra Palace in London, England. The Enigma Channel will be a completely FREE TV service offering documentaries and movies on demand. There are several programme categories for viewers to choose from including UFOs, Crop Circles, Earth Mysteries, The Paranormal, New Science, Religion & Politics. The Enigma Channel has a potential english-speaking on-line audience of 600 million people - far bigger than any cable or satellit TV station presently in operation. Arabic, Spanish and Japanese sub-titled services of the Enigma Channel will be launched in 2001. Test transmissions will start at 9pm on the 9.9.99. Viewers will be able to apply for their FREE Enigma Channel TV License at www.enigmatv.com later this year. The Enigma Channel will be launching an on-line interactive TV Guide called "ZAP! Magazine" which will list all the programmes on The channel plus information about other on-line TV stations such as ProteinTV and Millennium Arts TV. The Enigma Channel is dedicated to bringing viewers documentaries which would not normally be broadcast by the major TV Networks. Our programming policy is to give an effective voice to the thousands of independent video producers and programme makers out there who make in-depth documentaries about UFOs, Crop Circles, Earth Mysteries, 'hidden' history, politics and other esoteric subjects. We have started a Production Partnership Programme which allows independent programme makers to screen their documentaries and sell VHS copies via the Enigma Channel Bookstore. Because of the system used to carry the video signal into viewer's homes, documentaries broadcast on The Enigma Channel cannot be successfully recorded onto videotape. Therefore, the copyright of the film- maker is preserved. Consequently, there are no broadcast fees paid to programme-makers - but instead they are encouraged to sell VHS copies of their documentaries and any associated books and newsletters through the Enigma Channel's on-line Bookstore. The Enigma Channel can centrally process Mastercard credit card orders and arrange for dispatch anywhere in the world. We charge just $5 handling fee per order, which can be included in the retail price of the video cassette. The Enigma Channel will pay profits into an Independent Production Fund and use this money to finance the production of documentaries by all the independent film-makers and video distribution companies who submit documentaries for screening and join our Production Partnership scheme. By screening your documentaries on the Enigma Channel, you will gain access to a huge on-line audience, enabling you to sell your products worldwide and also reap financial benefits by applying for an Enigma Channel Production Grant which will help your organisation fund the production of further documentaries in the future. The Enigma Channel would like to hear from independent film-makers and distribution companies who have already produced documentaries exploring the following subjects: UFOs: abductions, encounters, alien technology, eye-witnesses, amateur ufo footage, historical events etc. Crop Circles: crop circle research projects, orgone, sacred geometry, eye-witnesses, geometrical decoding, discussions etc. Earth Mysteries: Stone Circles, geomancy, ley lines, dowsing, underwater exploration, hollow earth, landscape art, anomalous archaeological finds etc. Cosmology: Space exploration, extra terrestrial archaeology, the nature of SpaceTime, NASA footage analysis etc. The Paranormal: Life after death, seances, oujia, mediums, channelling, psychic powers, out of body experiences etc. New Science: Zero Point Energy, Tesla, aether, Reich, Inamato, Spiritual Science, Magnetism, ELF, free energy research etc. Sacred Sites: Temples, Maonastries, Cathedrals, Churches, sacred architecture, spiritual communities etc. Religion: Buddhism, Islam, Chrisianity, Hinduism, gurus, sfis, babas, Earth Religions, Wicca, Paganism, Shamanism, Meditation, religious experiences, awakenings, pilgramages, spiritual healing, past lives etc. Politics: 'Behind Closed Doors' political movements, Nuclear Politics, Secret Societies, World Leaders, Alternative Voting Systems, government corruption, taxation systems, alternative eco- politics, monetary policy, gold, currency exchanges, european political issues, historical political movements, socialism, cashless society, CND, Greens, non-violent resistance networks etc. If your organisation has made a documentary which covers any of the above programme categories, then please send a review copy to: The Enigma Channel 163 Churchbury Road London SE9 5JB You can write to me at the above address, or get further information by e-mailing me at: chris-e@dircon.co.uk If your organisation wants to make a documentary, but does not have any facilities to do so, the European Academy of Video and Audio Production in London has a suite of video-audio production studios and distance-learning programmes which help members of the Enigma Channel Production Partnership scheme to make documentaries. I hope we can join forces and bring your documentaries to a wider, global audience, boost your sell-through VHS sales and assist you in the making of documentaries in the future. With mainstream TV stations offering such a poor and unimaginative agenda of mind- less television, we hope The Enigma Channel will grow into the world's most informative and interesting TV networks, giving viewers what they need most - the TRUTH. Kind Regards, Christopher Everard Chairman/CEO, The Enigma Channel London, England [END] Regards, John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:45:46 PDT Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:33:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":; >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:38:47 -0400 >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:25:21 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >To no one in particular: >There are two items (which isn't to say there aren't more) of >which ufology must seriously and finally disabuse itself if it >ever hopes to gain the widespread scientific support it so >eagerly and allegedly seeks. >The first of these is the notion that some sort of >comprehensive, coordinated, air-tight conspiracy is in place now >and has always been. That is, that MJ-12, or something very >similar to same, exists, and has somehow been able to cover up >the "truth" worldwide for nigh on half a century. Such a notion >is absurd on its face. >The second absurd assumption, also taken for granted by many >ufologists, portrays a world besieged by a massive invasion of >human-abducting, sperm-sucking, egg-extracting aliens, 3-4 >million, by some accounts, in this country alone. >Stand back from both of these "claims" for just a minute or two >and see if the patent absurdity of both doesn't wash over you >like a breath of fresh, reinvigorating air. >Common sense tells you that neither assertion has a hope of >being true. >That's right, simple common sense. Has everyone forgotten what >common sense is _for_? >Or is it something that we're all supposed to check at the UFO >front door? And then wonder why the scientific community isn't >overly eager to do the same? >What _were_ you people thinking? Mr. Stacy, I have a question for you, sir; Why are you here? It is quite obvious that you have established firmly in your mind where your beliefs are on the issues as are stated above. It is clear that you post not to learn, question, nor even debate the issues. Your post above is nothing more than a lame attempt to muddy waters, ruffle feathers, and stir people up. That being the case, I ask you again; Why are you here? You have already answered for yourself any question there may have been regarding conspiracy theories or alien abductions. You first made up your mind, and now have subsequently closed it. You want to hear nothing of anyone else's thoughts and theories. So, why are you here? Common sense tugs at me to ask you this question. Regards, Allison Reed
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:01:28 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:37:52 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:26 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:50:45 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>You're kidding, right? I can think of nothing more damaging than >>a crop circle researcher caught stomping his or her own circles. >>Just imagine the headlines. While we're at it, why not have a >>ufologist create some ufos, just to see if the effects are the >>same! >Why should I be kidding? How on earth can you expect to know >what anaomalous affects can be found in a so called genuine >formation if you don't know what natural affects there are in a >known man-made formation? >>Tony, they routinely take control samples from outside the >>formations. That's plenty for a basis of comparison, where >>genetic, cellular, magnetic, and other changes are concerned. Tony, according to a post kindly made here by another UpDates subscriber, making their own formations is precisely what Dr Leavengood and his small team have been doing. I withdraw the observation, and place my size 11 1/2 size foot into my mouth. Sheepish <G> Greg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 'Popular Electronics' - UFO's or Kugelblitz? From: John Tenney <mainorg@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:40:35 -0400 Subject: 'Popular Electronics' - UFO's or Kugelblitz? I found this while digging through some old copies of P.E. I thought it was kind of interesting. POPULAR ELECTRONICS September 1966 UFO's or "KUGELBLITZ"? KNOWN NATURAL FORCES USED TO EXPLAIN BALL LIGHTNING People say they have seen ball lightning (or "kugelblitz") dancing along fences, drifting through open doors and windows. perching on telephone wires, floating inside high-flying airplanes, and dropping down stove-pipes and chimneys. It is reported to have slipped from a room by way of a keyhole; drifted inside an iron stove and blown it to bits; fallen into a four-gallon cask of water and brought it to a steady boil. Is there really such a phenomenon as ball lightning? Two scientists at Westinghouse Research Lab-oratories say that there is! Aided by an electronic computer, Drs. M. A. Uman and C. W. Helstrom have shown mathematically that known natural forces will explain ball lightning, and they have drawn a model that predicts many of its strange properties which amazed eye witnesses have described on and off for years. Although lightning strokes apparently give it birth, ball lightning is not at all like the short, brilliant, jagged flashes familiar to all of us. It usually appears as a round, moving blob of light about the size of an orange or small grapefruit. It can be white, or almost any color of the rainbow. It drifts through the air or hovers near the ground for periods of a few seconds to several minutes. Then it collapses and disappears, sometimes quietly, sometimes with a bang. Drs. Uman and Helstrom describe ball lightning as a luminous, high-temperature region of air having high electrical conductivity. The heating occurs when direct currents of electricity funnel through a particular region between storm clouds and the ground, making the air in that region hot enough to glow. According to the theory, ball lightning of a 5000-degree centigrade central temperature and 20-centimeter (8") diameter should appear to the human eye to be about as bright as a 1000- watt light bulb! When the cloud-to-ground currents are symmetrical about the ball and flow symmetrically through it, the ball will hang stationary in space. Any change in these symmetrical forces will cause the ball to move. It will disappear quietly, when the electric currents through it gradually fade away. But it will collapse or blow up with a bang whenever the current is rapidly shut off or increased. ---------------- Rev. John E.L. Tenney Michigan Anomalous Information Network http://members.tripod.com/~mainorg mainorg@yahoo.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon From: John Tenney <mainorg@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:41:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon There is a two page story on Echelon in this week's edition of Business Week Magazine. Very interesting article, pick up an issue if you can. Rev.John E.L. Tenney Michigan Anomalous Information Network http://members.tripod.com/~mainorg
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:34:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:45:21 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Allen Loper <cheepnis@mindspring.com> >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:35:47 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >Dear Bruce, >Please dont take this the wrong way but I am unconvinced. Just >because you say they don't exist doesnt mean that they don't. I >would be interested in any sources or references you could >provide on this subject because you have now piqued my interest. >thanks in advance, Well, I can't show you the absence of a big laser or particle beam in space since I can't get either you or me up there so search. However, I have been directly involved with a portion of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization effort to create a high power laser for shooting down ballistic missiles (nuclear weapons). Hence I am aware of the state of the available technology. The most advanced, highest power lasers available are (1) on the ground (e.g., at San Juan Capistrano or San Clemente area in California) and (2) are barely large enough to accomplish the task. Such a laser in space would also require a mirror to direct the laser beam (a controlled "deformable mirror," at that) which would be perhaps as much as 10 meters in diameter. There are _no_ such mirrors anywhere! The largest such mirror is 4 m in diameter...the so-called LAMP mirror/. Want more info? Search Aviation Week for the last several years and pick up on BMDO articles.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:50:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:13:23 -0400 Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:42:35 EDT >Subject: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >To: updates@globalserve.net >An Open Letter To A Friend Jeff Rense... Journalist, By >Anyone's Definition >Hi Jeff. I would like to tell you a story. The story relates >to some of the nonsense I've read on UpDates by people who >should know better and to the furor over the recently published >Protocols ... which have not been researched significantly >enough (in my personal opinion) by these folks to have produced >the reactions I've read there. Jimmy.... With all friendship and respect....I just give up. If we were having this discussion about the properties of some chemical element -- barium, cesium, oxygen, you name it -- we'd just look the damn thing up in the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, or some such, and find the answer. Chemistry has its body of knowledge. So does history. You can look up "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in standard reference books, which will no doubt refer you to primary sources. The research was done long ago by qualified historians, and the answers have been known for many decades. I'm not saying you shouldn't do research. I can only admire you for wanting to find out things for yourself; I'm the same way. I just don't understand how the "Protocols" became such a subject for debate. There's no shame in never having heard of them. But why -- with information so readily available -- are we talking as if the "Protocols" were some mystery we still had to resolve? Greg Sandow --- Following are two articles on the "Protocols," which I found on the web tonight. The first one, at: http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/~klewis/denial/protocols.html takes the view found in standard reference books, that the "Protocols" are fake. The second, from: http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/conspire.html argues that they're real. There's also a website devoted to Jews in pre-Soviet Russia, explaining among many other things that the "Protocols" were faked by Russian anti-semites: http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/28.html Plus, there's a site entirely devoted to the "Protocols," with links to the complete text, to Hitler's comments on the document in "Mein Kampf," and to a Russian court decision ruling them a forgery. http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html I also found two cases where the "Protocols" have surfaced recently. (Sorry, I didn't save the links.) They were recently published in Croatia, and the Croatian government apologized for this, while explaining that Croatia has free speech. The Croatian government also speculated that their Croatian publisher wanted to disrupt relations between Croatia and Israel. Meanwhile, the PLO, according to an Israeli source, issued a statement a year or so ago saying that the Israeli government operates according to plans laid down in the "Protocols." When this debate first arose, I posted the entry on the "Protocols" from The Columbia Encyclopedia, one of those standard reference books I referred to earlier. That post is of course archived with everything else in UpDates. I. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion by Daniel Keren The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", the most notorious and most successful work of modern antisemitism, draws on popular antisemitic notions which have their roots in medieval Europe from the time of the Crusades. The libels that the Jews used blood of Christian children for the Feast of Passover, poisoned the wells and spread the plague were pretexts for the wholesale destruction of Jewish communities throughout Europe. Tales were circulated among the masses of secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians, and motifs like these are found in early antisemitic literature. The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced back to the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century. At that time, a French Jesuit named Abbe Barruel, representing reactionary elements opposed to the revolution, published in 1797 a treatise blaming the Revolution on a secret conspiracy operating through the Order of Freemasons. Barruel's idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at the time was heavily Masonic, but he was influenced by a Scottish mathematician named Robison who was opposed to the Masons. In his treatise, Barruel did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated as a result of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had earlier attributed to the Masons. This myth of an international Jewish conspiracy reappeared later on in 19th century Europe in places such as Germany and Poland. The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", published by the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues", which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison for his pamphlet. Joly's "Dialogues", while intended as a political satire, soon fell into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche writing under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849. Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz", which appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel", he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past hundred years and to make plans for the next century. Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech" appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of 1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". The manuscript of the Protocols was brought to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897. The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's defeat in the Russo-Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the same year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution of the Duma. In the wake of these events, the reactionary "Union of the Russian Nation" or Black Hundreds organization sought to incite popular feeling against the Jews, who they blamed for the Revolution and the Constitution. To this end they used the Protocols, which was first published in a public edition by the mystic priest Sergius Nilus in 1905. The Protocols were part of propaganda campaign which accompanied the pogroms of 1905 inspired by the Okhrana. A variant text of the Protocols was published by George Butmi in 1906 and again in 1907. The edition of 1906 was found among the Czar's collection, even though he had already recognized the work as a forgery. In his later editions, Nilus claimed that the Protocols had been read secretly at the First Zionist Congress at Basle in 1897, while Butmi in his edition wrote that they had no connection with the new Zionist movement, but rather were part of the Masonic conspiracy. In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols to incite widespread slaughters of Jews. At the same time, Russian emigrants brought the Protocols to western Europe, where the Nilus edition served as the basis for many translations, starting in 1920. Just after its appearance in London in 1920, Lucien Wolf exposed the Protocols as a plagiary of the earlier work of Joly and Goedsche, in a pamphlet of the Jewish Board of Deputies. The following year, in 1921, the story of the forgery was published in a series of articles in the London Times by Philip Grave, the paper's correspondent in Constantinople. A whole book documenting the forgery was also published in the same year in America by Herman Bernstein. Nevertheless, the Protocols continued to circulate widely. They were even sponsored by Henry Ford in the United States until 1927, and formed an important part of the Nazis' justification of genocide of the Jews in World War II. Bibliography Lucien Wolf. The Jewish Bogey and the Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Press Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies, London (1920). The Truth About "The Protocols": A Literary Forgery. From The Times of August 16, 17, and 18, 1921. Printing House Square, London. Encyclopaedia Judaica. Keter Publishing House, Jerusalem (1971), entries on Antisemitism and Elders of Zion, Protocols of the Learned. Herman Bernstein. The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion" (reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn). Ktav Publishing House, New York (1971). Norman Cohn. Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Brown Judaic Studies, No. 23). Scholars Press, Chico, CA (1981). II. [This is from something called "The AntiChrist Conspiracy for World Conquest," which devotes one of its sections to our subject.] THE "PROTOCOLS" In 1905, a certain professor Sergyei Nilus, an official of the Dept. of Foreign Religions at Moscow, published a book containing what was purported to be "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION". A copy of the original Nilus publication sits in the British Museum in London, bearing the date of its reception, August 10, 1906. These Protocols are said to give the substance of addresses delivered in Switzerland in 1897 to the innermost circle of the rulers of International Jewry. They reveal the secret plan for world domination as concocted by the Jewish Nation for centuries, as developed through the ages and edited by their Elders up to that date. To realise the significance and importance of the Protocols, it must be understood that the Jews are not merely a weak and scattered racial minority which, like other scattered races, eventually blends into and is assimilated by the nations in which they reside and settle. The Jews believe that they are God's "chosen people", and that they are therefore BETTER and ABOVE all others. Their religious laws as revealed in their religious writings known as the "Talmud", decree that they must remain SEGREGATED from the "Goyim" (their word for non-Jews or Gentiles). This is why the Jewish communities of Europe walled themselves off from the "unclean" Goyim by living in ghettos, thus using it as a vivid illustration of "Gentile cruelty" and "anti-semitism". - Whereas in reality, the ghetto was a prime example of Jewish ANTI-GOYISM! Their leaders have always admitted - and in fact boasted - that they are indeed an INTERNATIONAL community which must always remain separated from the mainstream of humanity and loyal always to themselves and their own aims first. One of the founding fathers of modern Zionism, Moses Hess (1812-1875), stated: "The Jews are something more than mere 'followers of a religion', namely, they are a race, a brotherhood, a nation." The prominent American Jewish leader, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise (1874-1949), likewise declared: "I am not an American citizen of Jewish Faith. I am a JEW! I have been an American for 63 years, but I have been a Jew for 4000 years. Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish a race, and we are a race." Louis D. Brandeis, the first Jew to ever be appointed to the Supreme Court of the U.S., and who remained there from 1916-1939, exhorted fellow-Jews of the Menorah Society at Columbia University, "Assimilation is national suicide! Let us all recognise, that we Jews are a DISTINCT NATIONALITY of which every Jew, whatever his country, his station, or shade of belief, is necessarily a member." This recognition of Jewish nationhood was carried even further by Menachem Begin, who as prime minister of Israel said, "Anti-semitism and its consequences are no longer an internal affair of other countries as far as we are concerned, and we assert the RIGHT TO INTERVENE to protect Jews wherever they are!" Bearing these proclamations of Jewish leaders in mind, consider the following question from Henry Ford's "International Jew": "Does this people which knows itself to be a nation, remain loosely unorganised in the face of that fact? It would hardly be like Jewish astuteness in other fields! The interest of the Protocols then, is their bearing on the questions: Do the Jews have an ORGANISED WORLD SYSTEM? And if so, what is its POLICY? How is it being WORKED?" The Jews, of course, have vehemently denied that such a meeting of "Learned Elders" ever took place, or that any kind of secret Jewish international organisation or conspiracy exists. And though they claim that the Protocols are forgeries (the definition of forgery is an unauthorised copy of the original! In this respect, and since the Jews didn't want their existence known to the world, they probably ARE forgeries!), and have spent a fortune to suppress and discredit them, even making it illegal to possess them in some countries, they have NEVER attempted to address or answer the real question that the existence of such a document raises: HAVE THEY OR HAVE THEY NOT FOLLOWED THE JEWISH PLAN FOR WORLD CONQUEST AS OUTLINED IN THE PROTOCOLS, AND HAVE THEY OR HAVE THEY NOT ATTAINED THE GOALS THEIR "LEARNED ELDERS" SET BEFORE THEM?! Surely the correspondence between the prophecies of the Protocols and their fulfillment in the world-power the Jews have attained today is too glaring to be set aside or deemed as merely coincidental. The Jews of course realise this, and therefore always evade this aspect of the Protocols entirely. When they were first published, they were the typescript of a drama which had not yet been performed. But today it has been running for over eighty years, and its title is The Twentieth Century. The characters depicted in it move on our contemporary stage, play the parts foretold and produce the events foreseen. So even if you don't believe in the authenticity of this remarkable document, one thing you can't deny is THEIR FULFILLMENT. You can toss the Protocols out the window if you want, but you can't deny the FACT that everything they plotted, planned and predicted has either already happened, or IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!! This is the greatest proof of their authenticity: THAT THEY ARE NOW FULFILLED! Read now what the "Learned Elders of Zion" planned to do almost 100 years ago and look around you . . . THEY HAVE DONE IT!!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #305 From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 06:16:13 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:16:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #305 Apology to MW #305 (For May 29, 1999) So *comment* regarding the _twist_ of my ravings, or let the _reader_ make her choice! Let the _reader_ read the work and she might hear my real voice . . . Trouble with the _meaty_ words real readers use as _paint_? It's easy now to find them, but _understanding_ makes you faint. E-lectronic fingers and a word is _quick_ to find. And meaning is a thunderclap that blows the startled mind. Don't call it ostentatious, that inflation that you see is packed with hungry muscle of a mean solidity. I have a MIND I have _discovered_, and what MATTERs most to me is the efficacious MOVEMENT that I sense must _surely_ be. Matter is the stuff we make, contrived reality. It withers as we watch it so they make more -- don't you see. Movement is the time you _take_ to get from here to there, it *vibrates* with intensity -- makes _room_ for things, mon frere! All of this considered by the ever present mind, one makes evaluation of the things that one may find. And therein lies the problem if we make, then, disappear, ideas, books, or people in our search for things to fear. We find we're _watching_ fearfully those things that we have made, forgetting we have made them from the debts that we don't pay! And things you watch for changes are a different kind of thing than the thing unwatched for changes -- it's the _watching_ that's the thing. Condemned, the saucer hunter, or your garden abductee; condemned, the honest searcher that might search for what he sees! But leave the wolves right in your midst, and worship sullen lawyers, who complicate the issue when they charge you like destroyers. Pay to trust your doctor who would turn his eyes away as brother doctors _pillage_ us for help they're sworn to pay. Trust the men in blue too much to keep an easy peace, and find they are too powerful -- watch tyranny increase. We'd wish for _easy_ answers at the _bottom_ dollar price. We want to have our morals, but we want to keep our vice. We want to keep our fortunes, strike the homeless from our sight, _quibble_ on the holocaust, and over NOTHING, fight. Do you understand the problem? Do you want another hint? I'd use a verbal brickbat though it sting a little bit. Life's a different kind of banquet, and you reap what you have sown. You sow your seeds in air my friend; then away they've surly flown. Here's a simple tidbit, and you'll find no barb or hook, but if _you_ expect to find some _thing_, then first you have to LOOK. Lehmberg@snowhill.com We don't look. _I_ do, you _might_ -- but _we_ don't. Don't pretend that we do. It only increases the eventual humiliation. Besides, whatever it is, it won't be anything like _you_ thought it would be, get ready for that. It won't be found in prescribed literature of _any_ stripe. It won't be found in the editorialization, the submission, or the silencing of the uncomfortable idea. Rather -- consider what makes the idea uncomfortable. Your *conviction* regarding _any_ matter may be specious nonsense. Maybe. You'll never _know_ but for the exposure to it. . . . Just one more way to lift the veils from UFO's. Restore John Ford -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 27 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $200.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 BLT Research on Crop Circles From: Mark Haywood <mark.haywood@easynet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:33:21 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:01:17 -0400 Subject: BLT Research on Crop Circles Hi all Regarding crop circles, check out the new BLT information on the Crop Circle Connector http://cropcircleconnector.com/column/blt97a.html Mark Haywood www.cygnus-design.com/cropcirclecompendium
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:51:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:05:10 -0400 Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:01:28 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net >Tony, according to a post kindly made here by another UpDates >subscriber, making their own formations is precisely what Dr >Leavengood and his small team have been doing. Colin Andrews attempted to make a crop circle. He describes his method in 'Circular Evidence', and his conclusions were that heavy flattening equipment would need to be used, and with circles made between tram lines the equipment would need to be airlifted in. This was his evaluation on how 95% of crop circles would need to be made. Over the years cerealogists have had theories blown out of the water yet they continue to seek for the mystery which just isn't there. Did you spot the errors in the Levengood evidence? Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:51:45 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:07:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> >Subject: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake< Hi Jim >Comprehensive tests of the kind you are calling for have now >been made, and were reported (just yesterday on UFO Updates, if >I recall right) by Nancy Talbott. The test results showed >conclusively that the man-made circles caused by tromping or >using boards do not produce the various peculiarities observed >in the genuine crop circles. The evidence is far from conclusive, the claims made in the post are now being checked out. >On the other hand, the many reports wherein a crop- circle >formation was discovered a day or half day after a dramatic UFO >sighting in the same locale, plus even more direct evidence, >continues to implicate the UFO entities as being the artists involved. Well I don't think that crop circles appearing half a day plus after a UFO sighting can be considered as evidence. No more than the decade old theory that circles were interested in placing themselves near areas beginning with the letter 'W'. Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 (Skyopen) Dr. Roger K. Leir Has Heart Attack From: William Hamilton <skywatcher22@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:34:58 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:15:32 -0400 Subject: (Skyopen) Dr. Roger K. Leir Has Heart Attack Dear Skywatchers and friends, My wife and I consider Dr. Leir to be a friend and wish him a speedy recovery. Thanks, --- From: Storm [mailto:storm@communique.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 10:36 PM To: Whitley & Anne Strieber; cninews1@aol.com; Ed Fouche; Lloyd Pye Subject: Dr. Roger Leir has Heart Attack Dr. Roger K. Leir - has Heart Attack Date: 5/28/99 Dr. Roger K. Leir the podiatrist who has helped pioneer the removal of alien implants, or otherwise objects of unknown origin, has had a heart attack this week. Angiography studies have indicated that his arteries are open and therefore not the cause of the heart attack. Stress has been implicated as the culprit for this unfortunate life threatening emergency. Dr. Leir is in the Cardiac Intensive Care Unit at Los Robles Hospital in Thousand Oaks, California. Most of you know that Dr. Leir has had an avalanche of criticism and defamatory comments leveled against him over the Internet over the past few months. Dr. Leir is the author of “Aliens and the Scalpel” and has lectured on Alien implants, their removal, and their scientific analysis thereof. Dr. Leir was also a prominent figure in the NBC Special on this topic of Ufology along with Whitley Strieber in February, 1999 which achieved unprecedented ratings for a show on this topic during Prime Time television. I am the MUFON State Director for Louisiana. I am also a Trial Attorney and I represent Dr. Leir in connection with the defamatory comments that have been made against him and incorporated in Web Sites and circulated via e-mail and web lists over the Internet. I have been investigating the facts instead of the allegations and innuendoes. I am alarmed at the stark contrast of what has been the subject of Internet abandonment of the truth in favor of easy circulation via e-mail of anything said that is designed to assault the Ufological and Non-Ufological professional career of an individual. What causes me the most concern as a MUFON State Director is the stark contrast in conduct when Ufologist study a UFO sighting, crop circle, or similar event. We study so carefully the alleged facts of a sighting. We have so many forms to fill out to carefully scrutinize every aspect of human observation and recollection and when all the data is in the most serious classification of the sighted object once all known sources are excluded, is that the sighted object is “unknown”. Yet the opposite seems to be the autonomic function when a respected Ufologist and author of things on this subject is involved. People who would be so cautious about passing judgment on scarce information are prepared to leap to absolute conclusions without any investigation or facts. If it was read on the Internet, its true. This mentality is deserving of some study by the social psychologists, but in the meantime, good people, who are sticking their necks and reputations out in a field of study where the severing of necks (and reputations) occur too frequently, should not be victims at the hands (or computers) of their peers and colleagues who attest to pursue the same truths in Ufology, but abandon all standards of analysis in favor of “Tabloid Internetism”. What is the UFO enigma, its function and agenda, is the most serious topic, event, fear and hope of our global society. We who study and converse on the issues and concerns of this most crucial subject cannot fall prey to “Internet Cannibalism”. We must be respectful of our peers who offer opinions and views, whether in harmony with our own or not, and be cautious and studious before making comments and judgments of a personal or defamatory nature and think twice before spreading, over the Internet, questionable matters directed against an individual verses the topic itself. What I ask now of everyone is prayer. Prayer directed to the healing of Dr. Leir. If enough individuals think prayerful thoughts, we know that the physical reality of Dr. Leir’s heart condition will change, just like Art Bell’s audience has caused rain around the country. If we focus and direct our mind consciousness for the well being of Dr. Leir, he WILL get WELL!. Please give him your caring thoughts and prayers over these next few days. Thank you and may we all be graced by this event and our response to it. Gregory J. Avery, JD MUFON State Director - Louisiana -- Bill Hamilton Executive Director Skywatch International, Inc. Website: home.earthlink.net/~skywatcher22 *************************** SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL INC. (A Non-Profit Organization) Administrative: Membership: Postings/Mailing PO Box 900393PO Box 801 PO Box 2154 Palmdale, CA 93590-0393 Leander, TX 78646-0801 Elk City, OK 73648 USA USAUSA
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Roger Sandell Memorial Essay Competition From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:33:29 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Roger Sandell Memorial Essay Competition >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:22:47 +0100 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Roger Sandell Memorial Essay Competition >In memory of the life and work of Roger Sandell, who died in >January 1996, Magonia has instituted a regular essay competition >with a prize of GBP 100 (USD 160) for an essay in a field >related to Roger's interests. >Enties are now invited for the second competition, which has the >broad theme of: >The Media, Vision and Belief. >This can be interpreted in the widest sense, and could include >media coverage of specific phenomena or beliefs; how the media >shapes contemporary beliefs; how the media contributes to public >understanding (or misunderstanding) of anomalous events or >beliefs; or any other aspect of media interaction with the >topics covered in Magonia magazine. This list is not intended to >be comprehensive, and potential entrants are invited to contact >the editor of Magonia to discuss if a proposed topic would be >suitable. >Entry is open to all, except those listed as editors of Magonia >in the current issue. >Each entry must be the original and unpublished work of the >entrant, and must not be submitted elsewhere for award or >publication before 31st October 1999. >Entries must be between 4000 and 5000 words, not including notes >and references, but lengthy footnotes should be avoided. Entries >must be typed, double spaced, on one side of A4 paper, with a >separate sheet giving the title and the entrant's name and >address. >Entries must be posted to John Rimmer, John Dee Cottage, 5 James >Terrace, London SW14 8HB, UK, in time to be received by 31st >September 1999. Entries sent on disc, by fax or e-mail are not >acceptable. >Entries will be judged by John Rimmer, John Harney and Peter >Rogerson, and the winner will receive a prize of 100 pounds >($160). No correspondence will be entered into. The judges >reserve the right to withold the prize if they consider that no >entry reaches a sufficiently high standard. >The winning entry will be published in Magonia. The editors may >wish to publish other entries by agreement with the authors. Dear John: I hope you do not get TOO many entries. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:00:13 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:47:54 -0400 Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:03:59 -0700 >From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:20:10 EDT >>Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>I am reduced to a quivering mass of inert protoplasm. My >>reputations as Cheeser, Vintner, UFO publisher and inebriant are >>finished. My fresh wines are not selling well. People think I >>have come out of my security closet, the one I hide in and pass >>notes to my employees ... whenever the rest of the world goes >>mad. The one in which my non compos mentis ravings are well >>met. That place I go in order to receive messages from the tin >>foil hat I wear in there. >>I promise to answer all the private mail I've received, just >>give me some time... and please, stop sending the original to >>your friends... It's ruining my reputation as a ditsy dirt-bag. >>Jim >Dear Monsignor Mortadella, provider of salami, bologna and fresh >vintage wines: >Please stoppa disturbando mia Burpa. >You'a knocka dem suds off. >With the very best regards >- Larry > >PS: > >Further findings! >http://www.jps.net/larryhat/48yrs.html >If that doesn't work, navigate thru the Statistics Menu. >Otherwise, try Larry Hatches Burpa! It ain't exactly Grippa, >but it don't dye a guys stools Purpa. >[sorry] Never be sorry for Purple Stools... but you need to know something about Morte.... as in "Morte-llaro" and "Marte-della!" Oh my gawd! Everybody is gonna be sorry you said that.... Except me. I am now going into the Italian Deli meat business... say, what's an old sudzer like you with a name like Hatch know about Mortadella? Woof... will wonders never cease. I am driven to bedlam! And now for the rest of the story (with special thanks to Paul Harvey). Mortellaro... mortadella... "Morte" meaning death, is a part of both words. Mortadella is an Italian cold cut made (in original form) from blood. It's a little like German Bludvurst. It's got fat, blood, peppercorns, garlic and the "death or morte" part comes from the blood. Without blood.... you is dead! Anyway, about 28 years ago, my wife who is an artist, had a bad case of contact dermititis from some of the chemicals she was using. So off we went to the Grand Concourse (in the Bronx) to a dermatologist... this man is very Jewish... conservative. We get thru with the exam when he tells us how much he loves Italian culture. He turns out to be a student of Italian culture. He whips it out... ( Sorry, Cleavon Little is dead too) anyway, he whips out a huge, leather bound volume of names, all Italian. He aks (this is the Bronx, remember?) us if we know what Mortellaro means...? We say no, but it must have something to do with death, as that is the first word in the name. He looks it up and says, "Mortellaro is a bastardization of a word (which escapes me right now) which means "lives forever or Lack of death." It is the name of an evergreen tree indigeonous to the island if Sicily. And aks us for $50 and sends us on our way. So, just call me "Tree" or "everygreen". But ya dasn't hafta call me Johnson! Love, Jim... and thank you sir..... yet again. Dr. Jaime Gesundt, Fresh Wines, Cheeses, Publishing and now, Mortadella.. made with the blood of Alian Lizard Spawns... Neill Young used to milk blood to keep from running out. I milk it for my special Morty Mortedella con Gripple... and a splash of Burbal!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 The Millennium Project News - May 31, 1999 From: Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada <psa@direct.ca> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:52:48 -0800 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:53:18 -0400 Subject: The Millennium Project News - May 31, 1999 The Millennium Project News News and Updates from The Millennium Project May 31, 1999 _____________________________ WEEKLY BRIEFING: More updates on the mystery contrails (or "chemtrails"), with new reports from myself and others here in Vancouver, BC and the US. Many very large contrails, including bold "Xs" and "cross-hatch patterns" and other "geometric" shapes were seen over Vancouver and in surrounding municipalities on May 26, as well as other days in the past couple weeks, with the 21st and 26th being the "heaviest" days of activity (so far). Some photos have been added to the web site, along with the reports. More will added as soon as they can be scanned. When we first started seeing the unusual contrail patterns here in mid-April (similar to reports from all across the US and Canada), they were all parallel, but an unusually high number of them, and very large. Now, we have started seeing the (increasingly blatant) characteristic Xs and cross-hatch patterns here, just in the last couple weeks or so. Also, in cooperation with William Thomas (who resides on Vancouver Island here in Canada), we are now looking for a private pilot who may be able to assist in close-up photography /video of some of these bizarre contrails and the aircraft involved, as well as gathering of air samples for analysis. If you are a pilot or know of any pilots in the western Canada or US areas who may be able to help, please notify myself or William Thomas immediately. And to all who read this - for heaven's sake *look up* and see what may be happening in your skies... (as if increasing waves of UFO sightings weren't enough). More background info on this phenomenon is on the web site. Also, the latest crop circle reports from England and Germany as the season kicks into high gear, plus the latest UFO, space and science news, the next Fields of Dreams crop circle lecture for The Millennium Forum and new web site links. Wishing a good week to all of you. Paul Anderson Director The Millennium Project _____________________________ See the TMP web site for links to the following news stories and updates, an archive of previous news and information on other TMP resources: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa NEWS AND REPORTS * Latest Crop Circle Updates from England and Germany * "Airport for UFOs" Looks For Signals From Hidden Universe * Filer's Files #21 - May 28, 1999 * Australia Confirms Existence of UKUSA, Echelon * New "Suncruiser" Images from I Wonder Productions * Popular Science: NASA Interstellar Propulsion Schemes * "Dark Energy" * Scientists: Cloned Sheep Dolly has "Old" DNA SPECIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS * Mystery Contrails: New Reports and Photos from BC, Washington, Ohio, Michigan and North Dakota THE MILLENNIUM FORUM * Next Fields of Dreams Crop Circle Presentation June 21 in Vancouver, BC RELATED WEB SITE LINKS * Link for New Earth Files web site by Linda Moulton Howe _____________________________ The Millennium Project News is the e-mail update service of The Millennium Project, an independent research organization initiated in January 1999 as an alternative source of news and information to the maintream media. TMP was founded by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also director of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada. TMP News is published weekly or as breaking news develops, with the latest news and reports, information on TMP events and web site updates and is available free by subscription; to be added to or removed from the mailing list, send your request, including either "subscribe TMP News" or "unsubscribe TMP News" and e-mail address to: psa@direct.ca TMP welcomes your news leads and submissions. Forward all correspondence to: E-Mail: psa@direct.ca Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Mail: Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue Vancouver, BC V6J 1J4 Canada =A9 The Millennium Project, 1999
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:57:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:01:49 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >The handful of reports which relate to first hand witnesses >seeing formations appear before their eyes are sketchy to >say the least. Following are some eyewitness reports: >Arthur Shuttlewood - 1970's, a fan opening spiral in grass >on Starr Hill in Bishopstrow parish, Wiltshire >Melvyn Bell - 1983 in wheat, on the slopes of Great Cheverell >Hill, Wiltshire >Ray Barnes - 3rd July 1982, a fan opening spiral in a cereal >crop on the slopes of Westbury Hill >Sandy Reid - late August 1989, near Duntoon Hill, north of >Dundee >These are the eyewitness accounts in 'The Crop Circle >Enigma', Thanks for listing them, Tony. I suppose if there were as many as 500 such reports, they would still be dismissed as anecdotal, for the same reason that several hundred thousand screened UFO reports are treated the same way by negative skeptics. But it would be interesting to interview these four persons and form one's own opinion as to their sincerity and character. But at least Terence Meaden thought these witnesses' reports were worth noting, which is more than most anti-UFO advocates would do. >what surprises me is the lack of detail regarding >the 'sightings' plus the lack of supporting evidence that >the formations allegedly seen created were anything more >than wind damage. Anyone who has seen crop blow-down due to wind knows that that doesn't leave a formation with the distinct geometry of a crop-circle formation or with regular, crisp edges. >For some reason it appears that dowsing >rods are to be taken more seriously than these eyewitnesses, >why? If I heard someone make that suggestion, I wouldn't take them seriously. >Why do formations in oil-seed rape offer more proof to >a non-terrestrial origin for crop circles? For the same reason that hoaxed crop circles in oil-seed rape are extremely rare. That thick-stemmed crop consists of quite bushy plants that are rather unmanageable when you get in there with your boards and all. I suppose someone has tried to make a crop circle in it, but if so, they must have left quite a mess of broken and irregularly tangled stems. >If the subject of crop circles was or is to >be taken seriously why weren't the latest revelations >highlighted back in the late 70's, early 80's? Especially as >there were less formations created back then, is it that todays >formation are genuine and those weren't, or is there another >explanation? Do you mean, Why did the formations evolve from circles and formations of circles to much more complex patterns? That could be due to the "I" in ETI. If the aliens have enough intelligence not to have forced themselves upon us after some 52 years of a campaign of a stepped-up sightings rate, and to allow the coverup to continue until we can expose it ourselves, their strategy could be similar relative to crop circles -- to give the skeptics the option of not being forced to believe in the reality of what they would prefer to ignore. Of course, it didn't help Terence Meaden, who has to assume that descending vortices from on high have given way to all hoaxes. Jim Deardorff
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Karl Pflock <Ktperehwon@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:50:01 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:08:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 Dennis & Fellow List Fiends-- >In Friedman's defense, abductions have never been a part of his >portfolio. You, Harney et al. seem to forget Stan was a not insignificant player in the Barney and Betty Hill case, albeit with respect to an almost nutsy-boltsy matter: the star map and Marjorie Fish's work re same. This certainly doesn't make him an abductologist, but it suggests why he might be a good choice as an abduction conference presenter. I don't know what Stan spoke of at the conference, but if he addressed the star map and its implications, then he just may have contributed in some small degree to bringing abductology back down to earth, so to speak, and to re-linking the subject in some substantial way to ufology. -- Cheers, KARL
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Appeal From CUFORG [Cornwall UFO Research Group] From: Ian Darlington <cuforg@interweb-design.co.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:30:34 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:01:38 -0400 Subject: Appeal From CUFORG [Cornwall UFO Research Group] Dear All, I am writing to ask if anyone has an article, research report or similar piece of work that they would be willing to allow me to publish in our small circulation printed newsletter 'Skywatchers'. The newsletter starts life as a 36 page photocopied edition with a print run of about 80 copies. We then provide an email edition to researchers and members of the public who subscribe. Eventually, some of the articles are published on our Web site. Each article will naturally be credited & linked (where applicable) to the author - please let me know where you are willing to have your work published: printed edn., email, Web site or all three. Please email any articles or enquiries to: mailto:cuforg@interweb-design.co.uk Many thanks in advance, Ian Darlington. Editor/Webmaster 'Skywatchers'. Cornwall UFO Research Group http://www.interweb-design.co.uk/cuforg mailto:cuforg@interweb-design.co.uk ICQ 12387110
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:48:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:13:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:28:55 -0500 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> >Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Greg, >Not to choose sides in an already complicated issue, but I >think Harney's point was this (or something similar):A one day >symposium on the abduction phenomenon is being held; So why is >Friedman, an historically nuts and bolts man, invited to speak >at same, say, in lieu of someone else, such as Kevin Randle? >Remember that discussion? >A quick glance at the index of my copy of Alien Discussions, for >example, reveals not a single entry under Friedman, Stan or >Stanton. Friedman has _never_ been regarded as an abduction man >(pardon the phrase), so the curious among us simply want to know >why he is now presumed to have any meaningful input on the >matter? Stan was invited to speak about one very specific issue -- can alien beings travel to earth from other solar systems? This is something he's well qualified to discuss, because of his background in nuclear engineering, and especially because of his work on the attempted development of nuclear rockets. This was a part of his history I hadn't been aware of, and I was intrigued by his thoughts on how scientists, when they declare that something is impossible, may not have considered engineering approaches to the problems they think can't be solved. Since Stan was speaking at the conference, it seemed reasonable to ask him what he thinks about abductions, and, as moderator, I did that during the final discussion panel. As I said here earlier, I'd already asked him to write a position statement for the conference press kit. Speaking only for myself, I found it interesting to have a participant who hadn't been closely identified with the subject, as something of a wild card in the mix. Any more than this should come from Stan himself, which is not to say that there are any great secrets here. It's just that I don't have any business speaking for him. (I should note that speakers had their expenses reimbursed, but weren't paid any fee.) >Harney is perfectly right and free as an editorial commentator >to speak his mind, concluding with the plea: "Could someone sort >it out for me?" Does Greg seriously believe that NY Times >editorial writers are obligated to do original reporting >themselves (ie, man the phones) when commenting upon already >extant news items? Of course not. Of course they aren't. But the Times will already have printed news stories on the issues discussed in editorials, and there presumably won't be gaping holes in the coverage. If the Times wants to campaign, let's say, against Clinton's policy toward Yugoslavia, they'll have asked him any relevant questions in the course of their news reporting. The Magonia editorial appeared on its own, without any context of news about the conference. So Harney's plea for information -- about something he could easily have found out for himself -- made his newsletter seem like a rather hapless amateur operation, at least to me. If you want comparisons, Dennis, I'll offer two, which at least to me make more sense than a comparison to a NY Times editorial. Comparison 1: If I write one of my music reviews for the Wall Street Journal, I'll never let any major question sit unanswered. I can't just sit back and write, "Will someone tell me why Gerard Schwarz is still music director of the Mostly Mozart festival?" I have to call the festival (or other sources in the business) in an attempt to find out. Comparison 2: You'd left the MUFON Journal, Dennis, when I published my review there of David Jacobs's book "The Threat." But I had a question for Dave when I wrote the book -- "How many abductees reported the things the book talked about?" So I called him to ask, and spent much of the review discussing his answers. Greg Sandow But if I write, "Why does Lincoln Center keep him as music director of the festival?" then I'll have to call and ask.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:28:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:05:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:00:42 +0100 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Editor: JOHN HARNEY >EDITORIAL >Let us take multi-witness cases first. There are, so far >as I am aware, no cases with multiple, independent witnesses >which cannot be explained with reference to sightings of >aircraft or natural phenomena. Those cases which appear to >satisfy these criteria do not stand up to critical examination. There must be short memories at Magonia - 1) Lubbock, TX 1951 (Photos also) 2) Paul Hill, Hampton, VA, 1952 3) Vins, France, 1957 4) Levelland, TX 1957 5) Sherman TX, 1965 (Photos, also) There are, of course, more. And there are many where multiple witnesses are in the same location but otherwise have no association. It's not as if the above are obscure incidents, either. ------ Mark Cashman (TeamB - C++ Builder), creator of The Temporal Doorway at http://www.temporaldoorway.com - Original digital art, writing, music and more - C++ Builder / JBuilder Tips and The C++ Builder Programmer's Webring (Join us!) http://www.temporaldoorway.com/programming/index.htm ------
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:53:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:30:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >From: Karl Pflock <Ktperehwon@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:50:01 EDT >Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >To: updates@globalserve.net >Dennis & Fellow List Fiends-- >>In Friedman's defense, abductions have never been a part of his >>portfolio. >You, Harney et al. seem to forget Stan was a not insignificant >player in the Barney and Betty Hill case, albeit with respect to >an almost nutsy-boltsy matter: the star map and Marjorie Fish's >work re same. This certainly doesn't make him an abductologist, >but it suggests why he might be a good choice as an abduction >conference presenter. >I don't know what Stan spoke of at the conference, but if he >addressed the star map and its implications, then he just may >have contributed in some small degree to bringing abductology >back down to earth, so to speak, and to re-linking the subject >in some substantial way to ufology. >-- Cheers, KARL Hello Karl, hi All, Stan did spend time talking about the star map and Marjorie Fish's work. Both he and Jerry Clark made contributions which 'grounded' the proceedings in good old fashioned 3D reality. Budd and Dave Jacobs made equal contributions on that score. Stan & Jerry were there to to bring their unique 'nuts & bolts' approach to the proceedings which they both did admirably and with much aplomb. And, contrary to popular belief, so did Budd and David Jacobs. There are so many false and unjustified accusations thrown at Budd and David that I just thought I'd mention the fact that they both happen to be two of the more 'grounded' people investigating this subject. The lineupl that was selected for the conference was deliberate and well thought out. It was one of the more "intelligent/thoughtful" conferences I have ever attended. No 'crystals and ballyhoo', just straight information that the attendees could use to formulate their own oppinions. Peace, John Velez, Webmaster IF-AIC ________________________________________________ jvif@spacelab.net INTRUDERS FOUNDATION/ABDUCTION INFORMATION CENTER http://www.if-aic.com/ "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." ________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:32:23 -0500 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:40:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 : : : : : >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:48:56 -0400 <snip> >If you want comparisons, Dennis, I'll offer two, which at least >to me make more sense than a comparison to a NY Times editorial. >Comparison 1: If I write one of my music reviews for the Wall >Street Journal, I'll never let any major question sit >unanswered. I can't just sit back and write, "Will someone tell >me why Gerard Schwarz is still music director of the Mostly >Mozart festival?" I have to call the festival (or other sources >in the business) in an attempt to find out. >Comparison 2: You'd left the MUFON Journal, Dennis, when I >published my review there of David Jacobs's book "The Threat." >But I had a question for Dave when I wrote the book -- "How many >abductees reported the things the book talked about?" So I >called him to ask, and spent much of the review discussing his >answers. >Greg Sandow Greg, As I said, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I accept that your comments and reasoning are imminently rational, just as I accept that Harney might have rational reasons for his comments, too, if he cares to make them public. But since you brought up the book review example, let me comment. Surely it is not standard practice for a book reviewer to call up an author for further clarification of a particular point? Admittedly, there's no law that says you can't or shouldn't, but neither is there any obligation to do so under the circumstances. The book review is your opinion and you stand or fall on it. If I wonder aloud, "What the hell _was_ Tom Wolfe thinking when he ended his latest novel the way he did?" should I give him a quick call to find out? Similarly, the organizers of a conference are perfectly free to invite anyone they want, just as Friedman is perfectly free to show up and speak at same. That's not at dispute, either. No one is obligated to invite a skunk to their garden party if they aren't so inclined. If I were going to hold a one-day seminar devoted to the abduction problem, however, I can think of a long list of names that would precede Friedman's. But that would depend on whether the organizers were interested in educating the public as to all the pros and cons of the subject under discussion, bolstering their own case, preaching to the choir, keeping expenses to a minimum...any number of factors. It would behoove us all -- without increasing our cynicism or pessimism quotients -- to remember that life is a series of compromises. Sometimes you pick up the phone, and sometimes you don't. And just because you get a quote doesn't necessarily mean you got the answer. "Slobodan, Dennis here. _Why_ are you terrorizing all those ethnic Albanians in Kosovar, anyway?" I guess what I'm saying is this: news journalism requires that you pick up the phone. Editorial commentary, reviews, and opinion pieces don't, unless one is so inclined. Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 29 Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:03:18 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:44:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT) >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> >Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Thanks for listing them, Tony. I suppose if there were as many >as 500 such reports, they would still be dismissed as anecdotal, >for the same reason that several hundred thousand screened UFO >reports are treated the same way by negative skeptics. But it >would be interesting to interview these four persons and form >one's own opinion as to their sincerity and character. Do you have the full details of what these eyewitnesses actually claim to have seen? If so, I'd like to view their accounts and details of the alleged formations that were created. >But at least Terence Meaden thought these witnesses' reports were >worth noting, which is more than most anti-UFO advocates would do. I have noted it also but a few names, dates and vague areas doesn't constitute worthwhile testimony. Where are the full accounts of what these people saw? >For the same reason that hoaxed crop circles in oil-seed rape >are extremely rare. That thick-stemmed crop consists of quite >bushy plants that are rather unmanageable when you get in there >with your boards and all. I suppose someone has tried to make a >crop circle in it, but if so, they must have left quite a mess >of broken and irregularly tangled stems. Firstly, you seem to be implying here that I have a set of boards, just because I believe that circles are man made doesn't make me a circle maker. You believe some formations are UFO created, that doesn't make you an alien <g> Secondly, have you actually tried to create a circle in oil-seed to test your theory? From what I've learned, crop is cushoned by other crop when flattening, which shelters an extremely large percentage of stems from being broken. Some apparently are broken, but barring checking every single stem a cerealogist wouldn't obviously see them. You mentioned 'Circular Evidence' before, Colin Andrews explained how crop can not be flattened using string across the radius as the pressure is too great, so we have evidence that what the circle makers say is likely to be correct. Thirdly, what of the alleged tell tale signs that a circle is genuine can be found in the oil-seed formations, i.e. exploded nodes, etc. ? >Do you mean, Why did the formations evolve from circles and >formations of circles to much more complex patterns? I didn't actually, I meant why the vortex theory, ley line theory, eti theory, none can be hoaxed, some can be hoaxed, most can be hoaxed, only the true geometric formations are genuine, those which aren't are significant etc. etc. It seems that each time the cerealogists are caught out they come back with an alternative theory which claims a mystery. Doesn't it seem that they are literally clutching at straws to make a mystery out of something that is purely man made? >their strategy could be similar relative to crop circles -- to give >the skeptics the option of not being forced to believe in the >reality of what they would prefer to ignore. The circle makers have disclosed for years how they make crop circles, perhaps it's the believers that UFOs are connected are the ones who prefer to ignore the reality of the circles? Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Bill Oliver From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:23:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:23:17 -0400 Subject: 'Strange Days...Indeed' - Tonight: Bill Oliver From: UFO UpDates - Toronto On 'Strange Days... Indeed' tonight, Bill Oliver of UFO*BC, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Join co-host Jonn Kares and I on 'Strange Days...Indeed' as we discuss the UFO connection in the collapse of the Kimberly School roof, the White Rock incidents and the increased UFO activity in 'The Surrey Corridor',. The program starts at 11:00pm EST on 1010 CFRB AM - 50,000 watts 'Clear-Channel' 6070khz Shortwave and you can listen via Media Player at: www.cfrb.com/ To call the program 'live', dial: On-Air 416-872-1010 1-800-561-CFRB [all over North America] *TALK [local mobiles]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 SN CHAT: From Earth to Mars, SPSR From: Jerry Kosiba <jerrykosiba@netscape.net> Date: 29 May 99 18:26:50 MDT Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:55:08 -0400 Subject: SN CHAT: From Earth to Mars, SPSR Society for Planetary SETI Research CHAT: From Earth to Mars Tuesday, 6pm, PT with Dr. John Brandenburg Wednesday, 7pm, PT with Dr. Horace Crater, Geologist Harry Moore, Author and Agent Stephen Corrick and Dr. John Brandenburg. Various Audio Interviews now available online. http://communities.msn.com/ufo A year later and a dollar smarter? A clich=E9 way of saying that the SPSR has not wasted it's time in learning everything possible from the Mars Global Surveyor images as well as recent mars meteorite findings. What's of more importance is how these same findings may affect our planet Earth. This week they'll be presenting those findings at the American Geophysical Union Spring Meeting and here on MSN in the UFO Community's Briefing Room. http://communities.msn.com/UFO (follow the CHAT link at this URL for instructions on how to access our free chat room) The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The chat server name is irc.msn.com port 6667 and the room or channel name is #briefing. Our chat room is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for discussion relating to any UFO issues. ***UFO Community on MSN*** http://communities.msn.com/UFO Diana Botsford, Managing Editor
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Re: 'Popular Electronics' - UFOs or Kugelblitz? From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:57:48 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:17:08 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Popular Electronics' - UFOs or Kugelblitz? >Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:54:44 -0700 (PDT) >From: John Tenney <mainorg@yahoo.com> >Subject: 'Popular Electronics' - UFO's or Kugelblitz? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >I found this while digging through some old copies of P.E. I >thought it was kind of interesting. >POPULAR ELECTRONICS >September 1966 >UFO's or "KUGELBLITZ"? >KNOWN NATURAL FORCES USED TO EXPLAIN BALL LIGHTNING >People say they have seen ball lightning (or "kugelblitz") >dancing along fences, drifting through open doors and windows. >perching on telephone wires, floating inside high-flying >airplanes, and dropping down stove-pipes and chimneys. It is >reported to have slipped from a room by way of a keyhole; >drifted inside an iron stove and blown it to bits; fallen into a >four-gallon cask of water and brought it to a steady boil. Is >there really such a phenomenon as ball lightning? Two scientists >at Westinghouse Research Lab-oratories say that there is!> >Aided by an electronic computer, Drs. M. A. Uman and C. W. >Helstrom have shown mathematically that known natural forces >will explain ball lightning, and they have drawn a model that >predicts many of its strange properties which amazed eye >witnesses have described on and off for years.> >Although lightning strokes apparently give it birth, ball >lightning is not at all like the short, brilliant, jagged >flashes familiar to all of us. It usually appears as a round, >moving blob of light about the size of an orange or small >grapefruit. It can be white, or almost any color of the rainbow. >It drifts through the air or hovers near the ground for periods >of a few seconds to several minutes. Then it collapses and >disappears, sometimes quietly, sometimes with a bang.> >Drs. Uman and Helstrom describe ball lightning as a luminous, >high-temperature region of air having high electrical >conductivity. The heating occurs when direct currents of >electricity funnel through a particular region between storm >clouds and the ground, making the air in that region hot enough >to glow. According to the theory, ball lightning of a >5000-degree centigrade central temperature and 20-centimeter >(8") diameter should appear to the human eye to be about as >bright as a 1000- watt light bulb! >When the cloud-to-ground currents are symmetrical about the ball >and flow symmetrically through it, the ball will hang stationary >in space. Any change in these symmetrical forces will cause the >ball to move. It will disappear quietly, when the electric >currents through it gradually fade away. But it will collapse or >blow up with a bang whenever the current is rapidly shut off or >increased.> ---------------- >Rev. John E.L. Tenney >Michigan Anomalous Information Network >http://members.tripod.com/~mainorg >mainorg@yahoo.com My grandmother had a ball lightning story. She also had a UFO story. They were radically different (ball lightning during a thunderstorm, UFOs during bright clear sky daylight) The above theory was incorporated into Philip. J. Klass' first UFO book, 'UFOs Identified'..... Subsequently Dr. James MacDonald analyzed the theory and decided it was a case of "Klass Dismissed". (Klass hasn't discussed his
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: Paul Badger <pbadger@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:22:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:19:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >Subject: IUR: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >The incident turns out to be more than just another >intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the >alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, >evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists >for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The >scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a >host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. >This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and >debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's >something every ufologist should read. > Jerry, thank you for telling the list about this latest article. I haven't read the article, but from the brief reference made to it on the CUFOS website, I get the impression that the point of the story is that the hair alleged to have been left behind by the entity has human DNA, albeit very rare, and not a DNA that is unrecognisable and thus "alien". Am I right? If so, I can understand the interest in this case because it may raise questions like, "Why do entities repeatedly claim to be trying to merge alien and human DNA when an entity turns out to have human DNA after all?/do we have a shared ancestry?/are these entities human after all and just claim to be alien?". But to ask such questions, one has to accept the claim that an entity made a visitation, and accepting the claim that a hair, with provable human DNA, was actually from an entity. In other words, aren't we still in the area of "intriguing, unverified" stories? If the DNA analysis of the hair pointed to a mystifying DNA matrix that the team of scientists had never encountered before on this planet, then I would agree that we would be getting into the area of scientific evidence of unusual claims, and thus the case would be indeed "explosive". But what's to stop a skeptic laughing at this case and saying, "Big deal! They got a human hair and are trying to claim it's from an entity! They've proved nothing!" I apologise in advance if this case has more scientific evidence than I realise at this stage, with my not having access to the article, and for basing my interpretation on a paragraph on the CUFOS website, but you've got to agree that when you describe a case as "explosive", a guy's gotta be forgiven for being impatient to know what it's all about.... <g> Best wishes, Paul Badger, UK
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:22:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:51:45 -0400 >From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re:: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Well I don't think that crop circles appearing half a day plus >after a UFO sighting can be considered as evidence. No more than >the decade old theory that circles were interested in placing >themselves near areas beginning with the letter 'W'. It would be foolish, however, to ignore the highly suggestive evidence, and to assume coincidences over and over. And no need to dismiss the handful of reports in which witnesses saw a crop-circle formation appearing as they watched, which rule out any terrestrial explanation, as do the formations in oilseed rape. All this and a lot more are all part of the cumulative evidence. Forget the W business; take a book like _Circular Evidence_ and scan its crop-circle sites for 1st letter area-deisgnation distributions: Out of 34 reports with photos there, we have: C: 11, W: 6, L: 4, B: 3, H: 2, S: 2, U: 2, G: 1, K:1, M:1, P:1. Some letter has to come in first, in this case it was C. Jim Deardorff
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:00:42 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:35:30 -0400 Subject: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 MAGONIA Monthly Supplement formerly ETH Bulletin Interpreting contemporary vision and belief ------------------------------------------- Editor: JOHN HARNEY No. 15 May 1999 ======================================================= EDITORIAL I was surprised to hear that Stanton Friedman had attended a recent UFO abduction conference in New York. I had thought that he was a strictly nuts-and-bolts man, a believer in crashed saucers and dead aliens hidden away at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Yet now he is associating himself with those who believe that the aliens are invulnerable, that their saucers are invisible to ordinary (i.e., sane) folk, and that they can return to them immediately, floating gracefully through walls, at the first sign of potential trouble. Surely there is some sort of inconsistency of belief here. Could someone sort it out for me? ________________________________________________________________ ETH - TWO UNANSWERED QUESTIONS There are many mutually contradictory beliefs associated with the ETH and the two main ones concern the availability of evidence to researchers. We are told that the ETH should be taken seriously because there are inexplicable UFO sightings with multiple, independent witnesses. On the other hand, we are told that we have no proof of the ETH because such proof is concealed by government agencies. I have asked some awkward questions about these beliefs in previous issues of this Supplement and in Magonia but no sensible answers have been forthcoming. Thus the only course is to keep on bashing away at these questions until the believers either justify their assertions or abandon their untenable theories. Let us take multi-witness cases first. There are, so far as I am aware, no cases with multiple, independent witnesses which cannot be explained with reference to sightings of aircraft or natural phenomena. Those cases which appear to satisfy these criteria do not stand up to critical examination. A fairly common type of case is that where a witness claims that the UFO was seen by many others, but attempts to contact the other witnesses fail and no independent verification of the alleged incident can be obtained. Many ufologists evidently do not consider this to be terribly important, but it is vital. There is no hope of extraordinary events being taken seriously by the scientific community unless it can be established that they really did take place as described in the reports. Extraordinary but unconfirmed reports will continue to be classed as subjective experiences. An excellent example of an alleged multi-witness UFO experience has recently come to light. This is an account by a man named Frank J. Parker, who claims to have seen a UFO while on an official visit to Karachi during his National Service in the RAF. The incident is said to have occurred on 23 March 1955 when he and others in the aircraft approaching Karachi saw an object like an orange coloured ball hovering over the city. As he and his companions were taken into Karachi by bus from the airfield, they could still see the object. Near the centre of the city, the bus was brought to a stop by crowds of people and they had to get out and walk. "We turned the corner and there were thousands and thousands of people massed ahead of us. It was incredible, I shall never forget it. Thousands of people... there must have been at least thirty thousand in all, just knelt on the ground with their hands clasped, as if praying, only they were looking straight up at the disc." (1) Parker described the object, which he said was hovering only about 125 feet above the ground, in detail and said that he watched it for at least an hour. There is no reason to doubt that Parker was in Karachi on the day in question, but there is every reason to doubt that he really saw what he says he saw there. In this instance we have thousands of alleged witnesses, but it is a safe bet that no independent witnesses will be found to corroborate the story and that no records of the incident will be found in the archives of Karachi newspapers. It is possible, of course, that when ufologists fail to find supporting evidence or testimony they will say that it has all been suppressed and kept secret and that brings me to my second point - the belief that we do not have definitive proof of the ETH because it is a closely guarded secret. The question is: How could a continuing surveillance of the Earth by extraterrestrial spacecraft be kept secret for more than fifty years? I have raised this question a number of times and have never got any answer. Does this mean that I am committing some sort of social gaffe? Is it really rather rude, or "not done" to draw attention to logical weaknesses in the fabric of the ETH? Let us look at the problem again. Imagine that someone in a US government observatory discovers a new comet. It is quite small, but its orbit will bring it very close to the Earth, possibly colliding with it and causing widespread damage. The government decides to hush up the discovery to avoid causing panic, or on some other pretext. Is this scenario possible? No, of course not. The US government has absolutely no control over the motions of comets or over observations made by astronomers, amateur and professional, in other countries. Any attempt to impose secrecy in such matters would be futile, as well as damaging to the interests of the USA. Likewise, if it is true that there are craft from other planets flying about in our atmosphere, then it is also true that the US government has no control over the situation, and neither does any other government. You can't keep a secret when you have no control and don't know what is going to happen next. And if UFOs can crash in America, they can crash anywhere, at any time. Convincing evidence could fall into the hands of any individual or organisation. Any attempt to conceal the evidence by any nation could quickly backfire, with fairly disastrous results. Anyone who still thinks it is easy for governments to keep secrets should read the newspapers. Recent stories include allegations that two scientists working in America transferred data relating to nuclear weapons and a sophisticated satellite submarine-tracking system from a secret computer system to an outside computer, from where it was accessed by Chinese intelligence officers. There is also the current furore about the publication of a list of MI6 officials on the Internet. It seems that these days nothing can be kept secret except crashed saucers and their pilots. Reference 1. Birdsall, Graham W. "Incident at Karachi", UFO Magazine (England), May/June 1999 ________________________________________________________________ SATANISM UPDATE In a previous issue I briefly summarised an investigation by the journalist Byron Rogers into a Satanic abuse trial in Pembroke ("Satanism Update", Magonia Monthly Supplement, No. 11, January 1999). Now Rogers has published another article on this case, apparently in response to a conference held in London on 13 May on the subject of child abuse (Byron Rogers, "Please read this, Mrs Blair", The Sunday Telegraph, 16 May 1999). Speakers at the conference included Cherie Blair, Hilary Clinton and Home Secretary Jack Straw. Mrs Blair proposed to make things easier for children in court by not allowing them to be cross-examined by barristers. However, another member of the panel on child witnesses was Mr Justice Kay who presided at the trial of the alleged paedophiles of Pembroke. Byron points out that in that trial there was "no adult testimony or forensic evidence in the prosecution case". Six men were convicted solely on the basis of what their children said. "Orgies in which masked and cloaked adults violated children, pits full of urine and faeces (and one of snakes), the sacrifice of animals - all the lurid scenarios that had been crossing the Atlantic from 1983 on, and which figured in the Rochdale and Orkney investigations - were here." Pembroke MP Nick Ainger has told Rogers: "I have serious reservations about this case. I believe all those convicted should have their cases reviewed." Three of the people involved had consulted him and he remarked: "Basically, it is my rule of thumb that people who are guilty don't come to see their MP. And it stretched my imagination to believe what they were being accused of, especially as this was following the pattern of the Orkney allegations. I thought, Hello, what's going on?" More is likely to be heard of this disturbing case in the near future, as one of the boys involved, having reached the age of 18, is taking legal advice with a view to suing the social workers who removed him from his family, in spite of the fact that he made no allegations against anybody. LETTERS In Magonia ETH Bulletin No. 10 Hilary Evans mentioned the Allagash abductions and cited Fowler's words to the effect that they were "evidence that would demonstrate, beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt, that worldwide reports of humans being abducted by alien entities were really happening". I do not know if alien abductions are real (although I suspect otherwise). But what I am really sure of is that the Allagash abductions are NOT evidence of their reality. Yes, it is true that after several regressions the witnesses, more or less reluctantly, offered similar accounts, but even a perfunctory analysis reveals many differences. I have prepared a table showing all the key elements of the multiple abduction as seen by each abductee. The differences are deeply damning. A few examples will be enough. It is logical for the memories of the four witnesses to differ, if only because hypnosis is not a trustworthy procedure. But there should be some constants that all agree on: o UFO arrival order: Jim said Charlie was the first and Chuck the second. But Jack said Chuck was the first. Charlie did not know but he saw the empty canoe under him (meaning he was the last?). o Examination order: Jack and Jim agreed that they were the first and second respectively to be examined. But Chuck said he was the first. And Charlie said he was after Chuck but before Jim and Jack (in this order). o Medical examination: Charlie - He described a panel above his chest. Jim and Jack did not see anything but saw him completely naked afterwards. But Chuck did not see any panel, instead he described how the aliens pulled Charlie's ribs outside (!) and afterwards put a sling around his chest. Jim - The aliens took samples while he was standing and undressing himself; then he went to another room where he was laid on the table and masturbated. Charlie maintains that he could see him naked with a panel above his chest, and only afterwards did the aliens take samples. Jack - He awoke naked. The aliens probed his body with a stick. Then he went to another room where he was laid on a table with something on his chest and the aliens put something against his penis. Charlie said that everybody underwent the same procedure (no semen extraction). Jack described only the first part. Chuck saw Jack with a sling. Chuck - He remembered three aliens who took away his trousers and took a semen sample. Charlie and Jim did not remember anything, but Jack saw Chuck completely naked before the aliens arrived to take him away. o UFO interior: Charlie described only two rooms (one with a bench and a window, and another after climbing down several steps). Jim described a room with a bench, a dark corridor and the examination room. Jack mentioned several rooms. Chuck described only one room where everything (the examination table, the tubes, etc.) was. How can anybody consider all this the best evidence, when they hardly agree on anything (even the descriptions of the aliens do not match exactly - Jim and Chuck mentioned three digits, Jack said four opposable fingers)? I would expect some differences but how can they not even agree on the order in which they were examined? The reliability of Mr Fowler (who nowadays believes himself to be an abductee, too) as an investigator is seriously in question. Luis R. Gonzalez, Malaga, Spain John Harney comments: It is also worth noting that although this incident is supposed to have occurred in August 1976, Raymond Fowler did not hear of it until May 1988 when one of the witnesses, Jim Weiner, approached him at a UFO conference. There was thus plenty of time for the development of confabulation and false memories. I am disgusted by your and the rest of Magonia's destructive attitude towards BUFORA. This is a well-worn and lovable institution that should be preserved and cherished. Where would the "cranks, publicity seekers and the mentally unbalanced" go if BUFORA ceased its operations? Have a heart, these are flesh-and-blood human beings you are talking about, not zombies or space monsters (save the odd one or two members). Do you want these people roaming the streets of London when they could be occupied in lecture theatres discussing the finer points of nasal implants and anal probes? Jenny Randles (her name had to crop up) says in The X Factor, issue 6, p. 152, that: "I fear that ufology is now a mass market product of such a potentially lucrative nature that we have lost control of our own subject to PR companies and the mass media." In contrast, I would respectfully suggest that BUFORA should be a populariser of the subject, and that it should actively cash in on the subject by promoting books, videos, films, computer games, etc. As Jenny usually says in her books, "people can be allowed to make up their own minds" and such schemes would please the saucer-headed majority membership. The revenue from these activities could be put towards funding research projects and giving a better deal to its members. I know that would not happen and that their mysterious financial black hole would get priority, but what the heck, I've got to have some excuse to contradict Jenny Randles. Speaking of The X Factor (it is the 1990s equivalent of The Unexplained if you have not seen it) the Newsxtra supplement to issue 10 contains the most amusing apology I have ever seen: "In issue seven of The X Factor, we stated that Mr Sean Manchester staked and killed a vampire in Highgate Cemetery in 1973. We would like to point out that Mr Manchester actually killed the vampire in a derelict house in Crouch End, 1974. We apologise for any embarrassment these errors may have caused and will rectify them in future editions." The etiquette of vampire impaling is strict; Crouch End good, Highgate bad. The shame he must have suffered. That might have been enough for anyone, but Leonard R.N. Ashley in his The Complete Book of Vampires (Souvenir Press, 1998, pp. 80-81) calls him the late Sean Manchester. This assumption no doubt makes him bold enough to call him a publicity seeker and state: "I never met Sean Manchester, but Dr Jeanne Youngson thinks little of his work in a field she knows in and out and Carol Page, who interviewed him for print, says he was a "bore". (She also objected to his claiming to be a descendant of Lord Byron and disagreed strongly with Manchester's opinion that he looked just like Byron did.)" As the Fortean Times's Hierophant reports (in FT121, p. 61) Manchester is still in the land of the living. In January of this year he appeared on live TV hunting vampires in Abney Park Cemetery, east London. Perhaps his penchant for lurking round cemeteries is likely to make people assume he is more dead than alive, which leads us back to dear old BUFORA . . . Nigel Watson, Colebrook, Plympton The debate on the Hudson Valley UFOs caused me to look at Omar Fowler's booklet The Flying Triangle Mystery. He lists some 50 cases of FTs seen over the UK and Europe in recent years. In fact FTs seem to be very much in the news just now, with the recent Granada TV series focusing on them. One point struck me; every case without exception occurred at night. Fowler's catalogue consists entirely of night-time sightings; and all photos and video films taken show nothing but night lights. There seems to be nothing whatever on an FT seen in daylight. Certainly I have never read of a well-attested daytime sighting of a flying triangle, nor have I ever seen a film of such. Why is this? Are we to believe that these triangles only appear after dark? Fowler of course regards them as alien craft, but I wonder how many of these FTs are IFOs rather than UFOs. Should we really trust these "night lights"? Is there any reliable daytime evidence? There ought to be by now. Christopher Allan, Stoke-on-Trent ________________________________________________________________ MAGONIA Monthly Supplement is available on the Magonia web site, with printed copies sent to the favoured few. Letters and short articles welcome. Letters will be considered for publication unless otherwise indicated. Please send all contributions to the Editor: John Harney, 27 Enid Wood House, High Street , Bracknell, Berkshire RG12 1LN UK ======================================================= -- John Rimmer www.magonia.demon.co.uk Abandon hope all ye who press Enter here
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 UFOINFO Web Site Down From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:55:22 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:42:37 -0400 Subject: UFOINFO Web Site Down Dear Errol and List Members, A brief message to say that the UFOINFO web site is currently unavailable due to 'a malicious hacker attack' on the company that hosts the site (web-hosting.com). Technicians are currently working on re-installing the server software and operating system, this will take at least an entire day, and then they can begin a full restore. Please note I am **NOT** claiming that the UFOINFO site was deliberately hacked <g> as several Unix servers were attacked, which included the web-hosting.com main site. Current status reports for anyone interested can be found at http://web-hosting.com/news.html Hope to be back soon.... John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Biological (DNA) Evidence For Aliens? From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 99 18:34:46 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:53:41 -0400 Subject: Biological (DNA) Evidence For Aliens? I encourage researchers and those interested in the UFO subject to check out my article in the International UFO Reporter (IUR) re "Strange Evidence", current issue (Spring, 1999). In it I describe efforts to use a scientific forensic style investigation of physical evidence in an abduction style episode in Sydney during 1992. PCR [polymerase chain reaction --ebk] was used in used to undertake a mitochondrial DNA sequence analysis of a shed hair from the incident. I expected to only demonstrate the possible utility of PCR & other biological methods in abduction investigations. That I think was well demonstrated, but we also managed to highlight some unusual anomalies. Dr. Kary Mullis, who discovered the PCR method, which revolutionised DNA biochemistry, has had an unusual experience. I interviewed him and my account can be found as an on line web supplement to my "Strange Evidence" report at the CUFOS web address: http://www.cufos.org/IUR_Spring99_addendum.html I think you will find it interesting and I encourage you to read the IUR report, the web site addendum re Kary Mullis ("An Interesting aside") and support IUR & CUFOS in the process. If there is anyone out there with deep pockets who can assist funding further research please contact me. This work cost the researchers about $5,000. Please support further work. Regards, Bill Chalker
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 99 22:40:31 PDT Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:39:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:22:32 -0400 >From: Paul Badger <pbadger@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> <snip> >I haven't read the article, but from the brief reference made to >it on the CUFOS website, I get the impression that the point of >the story is that the hair alleged to have been left behind by >the entity has human DNA, albeit very rare, and not a DNA that >is unrecognisable and thus "alien". Am I right? I expected my IUR article to create some controversy, but probably not before people have had a chance to read it (eg. Paul Badger). Yes Paul there is a lot more to this than the few lines you have made some premature conclusions from. I urge you to read the IUR piece first. It is a complex and detailed piece (15 pages) and then perhaps comment further. Yes the DNA profile found is "human" but it is "from one of the rarest human lineages known ... that lies further from the (human) mainstream than any other except for African Pygmies and aboriginals". The DNA sequencing fits only "a Chinese mongoloid" however the hair is blonde, rather than black, as you would expect from a Chinese donor. Also the source of the hair was an alleged tall blonde haired female, who apart from very unusual "blue" eyes" a few times larger than standard human, and a long narrow face with pinty chin, unusual strength & behaviour, one might type as Scandanavian or dare I say "Nordic" with long exotic blonde hair and fair skin, certainly no Asian like feature. There were 2 "women" present. The other looked somewhat Asian in appearance, but had black hair, so she was not an obvious source of the blonde hair which we subjected to PCR DNA testing. As for "human" DNA, we need to consider the widespread reports of "human" like beings in abduction literature - Villas Boas, Travis Walton, there are many more. Then we need to consider are these exotic "human" similar to us in more ways than just appearance. Is their biological structure also based on a DNA structure. There are endless questions & speculations here. Also consider "human" type panspermia theories. Check out Appendix 2 "The Argument for Duplicate Beings" in Paul Davies book "Are We Alone?" (1995) and also the closing paragraphs of Davies book "The Fifth Miracle" (1998). Finally, I once again urge you to read the IUR article. It is much too detailed and complex to attempt a summary here and beside you will be supporting a very worth while publication - IUR. You need to have all the data to make an informed response. Regards, Bill Chalker
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 30 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:38:22 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:53:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:00:42 +0100 >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >MAGONIA Monthly Supplement >formerly ETH Bulletin >Interpreting contemporary vision and belief >------------------------------------------- >Editor: JOHN HARNEY >No. 15 May 1999 >======================================================= >EDITORIAL >I was surprised to hear that Stanton Friedman had attended a >recent UFO abduction conference in New York. I had thought that >he was a strictly nuts-and-bolts man, a believer in crashed >saucers and dead aliens hidden away at Wright-Patterson Air >Force Base. Yet now he is associating himself with those who >believe that the aliens are invulnerable, that their saucers are >invisible to ordinary (i.e., sane) folk, and that they can >return to them immediately, floating gracefully through walls, >at the first sign of potential trouble. Surely there is some >sort of inconsistency of belief here. Could someone sort it out >for me? Excuse me? Speaking as a professional journalist, I find this editorial remarkably childish. Stan is one of the world's most accessible human beings. Last I heard, he had e-mail, and a phone. Why not ask him to answer the question, instead of sitting off somewhere in a hole and sending the query to the whole world? Or ask somebody else who was there. I was there. Stan's position statement, which I asked him to prepare for the conference press kit, says that he believes some aliens are abducting some humans. In other words, he thinks some reported abduction cases are real, but perhaps not others. The NY abduction conference brought together people with a variety of abduction beliefs. Nowhere was it assumed that all participants agreed on everything. Does John Harney only attend functions at which everyone marches in intellectual lockstep? Of course, it's much easier to ridicule something if you don't consult the people involved for clarification of things you don't initially understand. Does Harney really want the help he asks for in his last sentence? Why didn't he simply pick up the phone and get the answer from Stan himself? Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Biological Evidence of an alien entity? From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 99 22:40:31 PDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:07:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence of an alien entity? I expected my IUR article to create some controversy, but probably not before people have had a chance to read it (eg. Paul Badger from the UK in UFO Updates Mailing List, 30th May, 1999). Yes Paul there is a lot more to this than the few lines you have made some premature conclusions from. I urge you to read the IUR piece first. It is a complex and detailed piece (15 pages) and then perhaps comment further. Yes the DNA profile found is "human" but it is "from one of the rarest human lineages known ... that lies further from the (human) mainstream than any other except for African Pygmies and aboriginals". The DNA sequencing fits only "a Chinese mongoloid" however the hair is blonde, rather than black, as you would expect from a Chinese donor. Also the source of the hair was an alleged tall blonde haired female, who apart from very unusual "blue" eyes" a few times larger than standard human, and a long narrow face with pinty chin, unusual strength & behaviour, one might type as Scandanavian or dare I say "Nordic" with long exotic blonde hair and fair skin, certainly no Asian like feature. There were 2 "women" present. The other looked somewhat Asian in appearance, but had black hair, so she was not an obvious source of the blonde hair which we subjected to PCR DNA testing. As for "human" DNA, we need to consider the widespread reports of "human" like beings in abduction literature - Villas Boas, Travis Walton, there are many more. Then we need to consider are these exotic "human" similar to us in more ways than just appearance. Is their biological structure also based on a DNA structure. There are endless questions & speculations here. Also consider "human" type panspermia theories. Check out Appendix 2 "The Argument for Duplicate Beings" in Paul Davies book "Are We Alone?" (1995) and also the closing paragraphs of Davies book "The Fifth Miracle" (1998). Finally, I once again urge you to read the IUR article. It is much too detailed and complex to attempt a summary here and beside you will be supporting a very worth while publication - IUR. You need to have all the data to make an informed response. Regards, Bill Chalker
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:20:10 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:06:14 -0400 Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... I am reduced to a quivering mass of inert protoplasm. My reputations as Cheeser, Vintner, UFO publisher and inebriant are finished. My fresh wines are not selling well. People think I have come out of my security closet, the one I hide in and pass notes to my employees ... whenever the rest of the world goes mad. The one in which my non compos mentis ravings are well met. That place I go in order to receive messages from the tin foil hat I wear in there. I promise to answer all the private mail I've received, just give me some time... and please, stop sending the original to your friends... It's ruining my reputation as a ditsy dirt-bag. Was it worth it all? Yes. And thanks. Jim
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:26:35 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:53:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:22:32 -0400 >From: Paul Badger <pbadger@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >>Subject: IUR: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >>Date: Wed, 26 May 99 09:38:07 PDT >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>The incident turns out to be more than just another >>intriguing, unverified story. To all indications, one of the >>alien entities left biological evidence of her presence behind, >>evidence which Chalker took to a group of qualified scientists >>for DNA analysis, with surprising and remarkable results. The >>scientists' report, which follows Chalker's article, raises a >>host of extraordinary and suggestive new questions. >>This explosive case is bound to be the focus of discussion and >>debate in the weeks, months, and maybe years to come, and it's >>something every ufologist should read. >Jerry, thank you for telling the list about this latest article. >I haven't read the article, but from the brief reference made to >it on the CUFOS website, I get the impression that the point of >the story is that the hair alleged to have been left behind by >the entity has human DNA, albeit very rare, and not a DNA that >is unrecognisable and thus "alien". Am I right? Hi all - I have read the article, and Paul is essentially correct here. The DNA is rare but it is human. There is nothing on the hair or the DNA to PROVE that it was of extraterrestrial origin. Bill Chalker is to be applauded for his work but we are still confronted with unidentified scientists and unidentified laboratories doing the work. I also understand why those in the scientific community do not wish to have their names associated with UFO research, but the point is, we do not know who they are. I mean this as no criticism of Bill Chalker because I understand what being associated with UFOs can mean to a scientist, especially with CSICOPians out there. >If so, I can understand the interest in this case because it may >raise questions like, "Why do entities repeatedly claim to be >trying to merge alien and human DNA when an entity turns out to >have human DNA after all?/do we have a shared ancestry?/are >these entities human after all and just claim to be alien?". >But to ask such questions, one has to accept the claim that an >entity made a visitation, and accepting the claim that a hair, >with provable human DNA, was actually from an entity. In other >words, aren't we still in the area of "intriguing, unverified" >stories? If the DNA analysis of the hair pointed to a mystifying >DNA matrix that the team of scientists had never encountered >before on this planet, then I would agree that we would be >getting into the area of scientific evidence of unusual claims, >and thus the case would be indeed "explosive". But what's to >stop a skeptic laughing at this case and saying, "Big deal! They >got a human hair and are trying to claim it's from an entity! >They've proved nothing!" This is the whole problem with abduction research. The "explosive" evidence is not. We are confronted with a strange situation, and had the hair belonged to a more common genetic category, there would be no discussion of it. However, it is still human and only becomes interesting when coupled to the story told by the abductee. >I apologise in advance if this case has more scientific evidence >than I realise at this stage, with my not having access to the >article, and for basing my interpretation on a paragraph on the >CUFOS website, but you've got to agree that when you describe a >case as "explosive", a guy's gotta be forgiven for being >impatient to know what it's all about.... <g> I have read Bill Chalker's plea for additional money to assist in the research of this sample and I believe that we should support it. An address was supplied in the IUR article and I, for one, plan to send in a donation. KRandle PS: For those interested, THE ABDUCTION ENIGMA, the book about alien abduction I wrote with Russ Estes and Bill Cone is now available in hardback.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:43:25 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:00:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Protocol Bookburning Conspiracy >From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com> >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Mr. Stacy: Why Are You Here? >Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:45:46 PDT >Mr. Stacy, >I have a question for you, sir; Why are you here? Because it's a free country and I have as much right to be here as you or anyone else. <snip> >You have already answered for yourself any question there may >have been regarding conspiracy theories or alien abductions. >You first made up your mind, and now have subsequently closed >it. You want to hear nothing of anyone else's thoughts and >theories. So, why are you here? Unfortunately, I don't have the time to stand over your shoulder and make sure you read my posts correctly. All I can say is go back and read them again and try a little harder. I did not make any comments about conspiracy theories and alien abductions _in_general_. I made remarks about A specific conspiracy theory, and A specific claim regarding abductions. If you're so open-minded, why don't you stop to think for a minute about what I said, and not what you thought I said? There really is a difference, you know? But just so you know: sometimes I do wonder why I'm here. >Regards, >Allison Reed Regards, Dennis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:33:26 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:05:34 -0400 Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:50:50 -0400 >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:42:35 EDT >>Subject: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >>To: updates@globalserve.net >>An Open Letter To A Friend Jeff Rense... Journalist, By >>Anyone's Definition >>Hi Jeff. I would like to tell you a story. The story relates >>to some of the nonsense I've read on UpDates by people who >>should know better and to the furor over the recently published >>Protocols ... which have not been researched significantly >>enough (in my personal opinion) by these folks to have produced >>the reactions I've read there. >Jimmy.... >With all friendship and respect....I just give up. >If we were having this discussion about the properties of some >chemical element -- barium, cesium, oxygen, you name it -- we'd >just look the damn thing up in the Handbook of Chemistry and >Physics, or some such, and find the answer. >Chemistry has its body of knowledge. So does history. You can >look up "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in standard >reference books, which will no doubt refer you to primary >sources. The research was done long ago by qualified historians, >and the answers have been known for many decades. >I'm not saying you shouldn't do research. I can only admire you >for wanting to find out things for yourself; I'm the same way. I >just don't understand how the "Protocols" became such a subject >for debate. There's no shame in never having heard of them. But >why -- with information so readily available -- are we talking >as if the "Protocols" were some mystery we still had to resolve? >Greg Sandow Which is the point (in my opinion at least) which several including Rense, tried to make. Ignorance of a thing which is good, benign or bad, creates greater certitude that the knowledge already possessed is more true than it really may be. I am never ashamed of my own ignorance, unless it is culpable. There's always the guy at a meeting who raises his hand and says, "I am so sorry to appear ignorant, but I have a question...." No need to be sorry. IF one does not know the answer to a question, then the asking is valid. Were it not for Jeff Rense, I would have remained in ignorance. See my point? Then, I would be an ignorant Goy of 'Talienna origins and without portfolio. As for my research, it means that I shall look up everything which I can find on the subject and read it. That's positive. I have a friend, a Jewish man in both his culture as well as his religious practice, who is a journalist with a well known high tech tabloid. He has been my mentor in the serious writing I've done which has been published. Dr. Gesundt is not included in these writings. He has supplied me with a most prodigious list of starting points, as have you in the post below, snipped for purposes of brevity. Why do you give up? The guy who opined, "Ignorance is bliss!" is missing a point. Absence of the knowledge of one's ignorance is bliss. But when knows that one is ignorant, then this is, for me, the most horrid state to be in... worse, even than the state of Sedona. Or is that Arizona, maybe New Mexico... whatever. >--- >Following are two articles on the "Protocols," which I found on >the web tonight. The first one, at: >Snip and thank you Jim, soon to resume the mantle of that inebriant, Gesundt, in order to preserve my safety when Citizens find out I'm really a spawn of a lizard and come after me with axes, ropes and lots of wood for a fire.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:01:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:13:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:01:37 -0700 (PDT) >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> >Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >It would be foolish, however, to ignore the highly suggestive >evidence, and to assume coincidences over and over. And no need >to dismiss the handful of reports in which witnesses saw a >crop-circle formation appearing as they watched, which rule out >any terrestrial explanation, as do the formations in oilseed >rape. All this and a lot more are all part of the cumulative >evidence. The handful of reports which relate to first hand witnesses seeing formations appear before their eyes are sketchy to say the least. Following are some eyewitness reports: Arthur Shuttlewood - 1970's, a fan opening spiral in grass on Starr Hill in Bishopstrow parish, Wiltshire Melvyn Bell - 1983 in wheat, on the slopes of Great Cheverell Hill, Wiltshire Ray Barnes - 3rd July 1982, a fan opening spiral in a cereal crop on the slopes of Westbury Hill Sandy Reid - late August 1989, near Duntoon Hill, north of Dundee These are the eyewitness accounts in 'The Crop Circle Enigma', what surprises me is the lack of detail regarding the 'sightings' plus the lack of supporting evidence that the formations allegedly seen created were anything more than wind damage. For some reason it appears that dowsing rods are to be taken more seriously than these eyewitnesses, why? Why do formations in oil-seed rape offer more proof to a non-terrestrial origin for crop circles? >Forget the W business; take a book like _Circular Evidence_ and >scan its crop-circle sites for 1st letter area-deisgnation >distributions: Out of 34 reports with photos there, we have: C: >11, W: 6, L: 4, B: 3, H: 2, S: 2, U: 2, G: 1, K:1, M:1, P:1. >Some letter has to come in first, in this case it was C. I was purely highlighting the sorts of theories that have been banded about over the years, and that as each is discarded a new theory is created. If the subject of crop circles was or is to be taken seriously why weren't the latest revelations highlighted back in the late 70's, early 80's? Especially as there were less formations created back then, is it that todays formation are genuine and those weren't, or is there another explanation? Tony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Help On Aztec 'Saucer' Crash From: Karl Pflock <Ktperehwon@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:09:42 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:15:49 -0400 Subject: Help On Aztec 'Saucer' Crash Dear List Fiends & Friends -- I have an urgent need to acquire or borrow copies of two document compendium volumes published by Bill Moore in 1989 under his William L. Moore Publications "imprint": (1) "FBI Files on Silas M. Newton, 1941-1971: The Story of One of the Men Behind the Aztec 'Saucer' Crash Story" (WLM Pubs #4512/A) (2) "FBI Files on Leo A. GeBauer, 1941-1969: The Story of the Second Man Behind the Aztec 'Saucer' Crash Story" (# 4512/B) I will gladly cover all costs of postage/copying, etc. Please contact me directly. Many thanks. -- KARL PFLOCK <Ktperehwon@aol.com>
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Nick Pope On 'The Sheffield Incident' From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:15 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:19:36 -0400 Subject: Nick Pope On 'The Sheffield Incident' Nick Pope has forwarded the following comments with regards to the Howden Moor incident (popularly but erroneously described as "the Sheffield Incident") for publication: "While I've had no direct involvement with this intriguing case. I've followed developments in the media, Hansard and the specialist UFO press - including the article you (David Clarke) wrote for the July/August 1988 issue of UFO Magazine. I'm very impressed with the work you and Martin Jeffrey have done in putting together this comprehensive and balanced report, which is just the sort of proper investigation that's normally conspicuous by its absence in ufology. "I'm not sure I can offer any new insights into this case, or suggestions as to how best to take matters forward. "What I can offer is confirmation of the sheer implausibility of the scenario put forward by Max Burns. "If an an RAF aircraft had really crashed (whatever the circumstances), it would have been virtually impossible to implement a successful cover-up. There would almost inevitably have been a fire, and in these circumstances the emergency services and members of the public would have located the crash site very quickly. The military search and rescue operation would also have been readily apparent, as would the subsequent removal of the wreckage. "While suggesting that the aircraft crashed into a reservoir might get around the point about the crash site being easy to locate, a search and rescue operation would still have taken place, together with the recovery of wreckage. These are not things that would go unnoticed, especially in a situation where the emergency services were already conducting a search. Indeed, the crash of an aircraft into a reservoir would probably make a cover-up more difficult; not only would oil slicks and surface debris have been visible, but recovery of the wreckage would have taken longer, and couldn't have taken place without the knowledge of personnel from Yorkshire Water. Whichever way you look at this, a considerable number of people from various different agencies would have been involved, or would have heard about or seen some activity. "Clearly this is not a situation in which a cover-up could be successfully executed. "Turning to the sighting of a disorientated man on the A57 (Snake Pass Road), I think it's ridiculous to suggest that this has anything to do with the RAF, on the basis that a pilot from a downed jet would always stay at the crash site, waiting for the inevitable military search and rescue operation. He'd be wearing a distinctive dark green flying suit that I think even a layman would realise was military issue." Check-out the full investigation report on the Howden Moor incident on: http://www.pufori.org/articles/howden_moor/index_nf.htm and http://www.pufori.org/articles/howden_moor/index.htm and http://www.iun.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:28:55 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:28:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Magonia Monthly Suplement 15, May 1999 >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:38:22 -0400 ><snip> >>Editor: JOHN HARNEY >>No. 15 May 1999 >>======================================================= >>EDITORIAL >>I was surprised to hear that Stanton Friedman had attended a >>recent UFO abduction conference in New York. I had thought that >>he was a strictly nuts-and-bolts man, a believer in crashed >>saucers and dead aliens hidden away at Wright-Patterson Air >>Force Base. Yet now he is associating himself with those who >>believe that the aliens are invulnerable, that their saucers are >>invisible to ordinary (i.e., sane) folk, and that they can >>return to them immediately, floating gracefully through walls, >>at the first sign of potential trouble. Surely there is some >>sort of inconsistency of belief here. Could someone sort it out >>for me? >Excuse me? <snip> >The NY abduction conference brought together people with a >variety of abduction beliefs. Nowhere was it assumed that all >participants agreed on everything. Does John Harney only attend >functions at which everyone marches in intellectual lockstep? >Of course, it's much easier to ridicule something if you don't >consult the people involved for clarification of things you don't >initially understand. Does Harney really want the help he asks >for in his last sentence? Why didn't he simply pick up the phone >and get the answer from Stan himself? >Greg Sandow Greg, Not to choose sides in an already complicated issue, but I think Harney's point was this (or something similar):A one day symposium on the abduction phenomenon is being held; So why is Friedman, an historically nuts and bolts man, invited to speak at same, say, in lieu of someone else, such as Kevin Randle? Remember that discussion? A quick glance at the index of my copy of Alien Discussions, for example, reveals not a single entry under Friedman, Stan or Stanton. Friedman has _never_ been regarded as an abduction man (pardon the phrase), so the curious among us simply want to know why he is now presumed to have any meaningful input on the matter? In Friedman's defense, abductions have never been a part of his portfolio. Would a direct call have necessarily changed anything? Friedman might say, "well, they asked me and I went," which still wouldn't explain why someone, presumably the conference organizer(s), asked him to speak in the first place, necessitating yet another phone call. Harney is perfectly right and free as an editorial commentator to speak his mind, concluding with the plea: "Could someone sort it out for me?" Does Greg seriously believe that NY Times editorial writers are obligated to do original reporting themselves (ie, man the phones) when commenting upon already extant news items? Of course not. Could someone sort it out for me as well while they're at it? Diversity of opinion? Fine and well, but then why not call it a UFO conference as opposed to an Abduction conference? In other words, was Friedman invited because he had something original to add to the question of UFO abductions (has he investigated any abduction cases lately that anyone is aware of?) -- or because he was simply handy and friends of the family, so to speak? To paraphrase Harney, Could someone sort it out for me?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:17:52 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:32:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes >From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com> >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:29:09 -0400 >Fwd Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:58:22 -0400 >Subject: Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 5 The Eastonian Times-Picayune is back, starting off with the usual bird-brained theories about the original Kenneth Arnold sighting. Bruce Maccabee, myself, and others argued ourselves blue in the face with all sorts of mathematical and other arguments why birds couldn't possibly work (can birds outfly a plane?). A lot of good it did. Don't get me started. But this post is about Easton's discussion of the alleged parchment parachutes on Mogul Flight #4, the current debunking explanation for the Roswell incident. >In a recent discussion on the 'Project-1947' mailing list, >Roswell case researcher Karl Pflock, mentioned: >"More to the parchment point: (1) the early "Mogul" arrays-- >among them, Flight 4, the Foster Ranch "saucer"--included 3 large >reinforced PARCHMENT parachutes. (2) Marcel mentioned seeing >"other stuff there that looked very much like parchment" in his >Dec. 9, '79 interview with Bob Pratt (see my "Roswell in >Perspective," p. 123). (3) In describing what he found to >reporters on July 8, 1947 (Roswell Daily Record, July 9), Mac >Brazel mentioned "tinfoil, [and] a rather tough paper." Note that >the tinfoil and paper are mentioned as separate items, and that >"rather tough paper" is a good description of parchment". OK. Privately, however, Brazel told neighbor, Floyd Proctor, before Brazel ever went to Roswell and tangled with the US military, that it wasn't paper of any kind because he couldn't burn it or cut it with a knife. So this was really, really tough "paper." >An aspect of the case which I had never personally seen set in >context was from the interview with Major Marcel, as published in >'The Roswell Incident', by Berlitz and Moore. Marcel reportedly >stated, "One thing that impressed me about the [Roswell] debris >was that a look of it looked like parchment". For more complete quotes from Marcel, see below. Marcel had a bit more to say about the material other than it looked like parchment. According to Marcel, it was extremely tough, wouldn't burn or smoke, he couldn't break it, it was covered with strange writing, and there were large quantities of it. These statements were corroborated in part by Floyd Proctor and Brazel's sister. >I pointed out to Karl that a 1997 commentary from David Rudiak >spoke of the "ridiculous fictional 'parchment parachutes' of >Mogul and claimed "they used small silk parachutes for the >payload - its marked on the diagrams". >If there were in fact parchment parachutes, that would offer an >explanation - had it been confirmed that Flight 4 did use >parchment and not silk parachutes? >Karl replied: >"Yes. Prof. Moore has confirmed this, as have others who >participated in the project. Since there are no known surviving records of Flight 4 detailing its configuration (other than it having a sonobuoy payload), how exactly have the parchment parachutes on this flight been confirmed? Seemingly all we have is the memory/guesswork of Moore and unspecified "others." In a moment, you will see strong contradictory evidence. >Moore recalls early New Mexico launches, including Flt 4, were >configured like Flt 2, which had been launched on the East Coast. >Flt 2 employed 3 parchment 'chutes. This is the only instance of where Pflock and Moore are on part way solid ground. According to the engineering schematic of Flight 2, reproduced in the 1995 USAF Roswell Report, it had 4 parachutes, one at the top and three at the bottom for the payload. In my notes, Flt. 2 was on May 22, 1947 in Bethlehem, Penn. The schematic does not say specifically what type of parachutes were used. It says simply "Reinforced." Since reinforced silk makes no sense, I assume "reinforced" refers to some type of paper 'chutes rather than silk ones. (Paper parachutes were standard meteorological equipment used with conventional radiosonde weather balloons.) So in essence what we have is documentation of Flt. 2 using paper 'chutes, and then the apparent _assumption_ by Moore that early New Mexico flights of June/July 1947 must have as well. But is there any evidence at all that these early N.M. flights actually used so-called parchment parachutes? In reality, only ONE of these flights has any documentation as using a parachute, and that was incontrovertibly a silk one. But before we get into detail on that, first an interlude on the subject of parachute color. > Prof. Moore told me they were >dyed either red or orange-red, and the coloring faded VERY >rapidly upon exposure to sunlight. Of course presumably leaving absolutely no trace of their original bright colors, so that Marcel would refer to the color merely as brown. How convenient. Notice just how vague the term "VERY rapidly" is. Would there really be no trace of color a month later? The meteorological paper 'shutes were made a little bit like those tiny toy paper parasols they sometimes stick into alcoholic drinks to be cute. The paper was pleated to fold flat and to a point on top where it was attached and lifted by the balloon. When the balloon burst and the payload began to fall, air resistance would unfold it. The edges of the paper were attached to twine shroud lines, which were further attached to a metal ring about 1-1/2 feet across down below. What's my point here? When everything finally hit the ground, the parachutes would again collapse, some parts exposed to the sun, but other parts underneath shaded from the sun. If they were also composed of something like Brazel's "rather tough paper" to the point where they would resemble something like parchment, one would also expect only minor or maybe moderate shredding. The parachutes should remain relatively intact with uneven fading of color. Furthermore, somewhere in the mix of debris, there should also have been evidence of the twine lines and the structural metal rings. But nobody describes anything like that -- no metal rings, no twine, just lots of pieces of something parchment-like scattered about, described only as "brown" by Marcel and covered with purplish writing. It seems like the assumption here by Mogul advocates is that the alleged parchment parachutes somehow became completely shredded, and other components of the parachutes (twine, metal rings), went completely unnoticed (or evaporated in the sunlight). So everything else magically vanishes (along with hundreds of feet of other Mogul twine which should have been scattered about), and we have these pieces of shredded paper parachutes scattered here and there (and, of course, shredded balloons and radar reflectors). This gives all the pieces equal exposure to sunlight so that they can all fade equally fast from red/red-orange to brown (why would it fade to brown?). All the pieces also conveniently flip over now and then so that both tops and bottoms get their proper dosage of color-fading sunlight. Interesting combination of circumstances. I've noticed over the years that the manner in which Mogul components supposedly deteriorated strangely depends on how exactly Mogul proponents need for them to deteriorate to explain debris descriptions, sort of how Warp 9 in Star Trek can be used to cross light years in minutes or days depending on the plot line of the week. E.g., the milky, pliable neoprene balloons deteriorate in sunlight to brittle, black, ash-like flakes within 2 to 3 weeks according to Moore. (I even saw a TV demonstration of this by Moore a year and a half ago, complete with cellophane-like crinkling sound of the tattered, decomposed, now non-elastic rubber.) That supposedly explains the darkened balloon material in the Fort Worth photos and Mac Brazel's "smoky gray" rubber debris. But wait a second. That balloon at Gen. Ramey's feet still looks relatively intact and pliable after supposedly lying in the sun for a month. Oops! And Brazel speaks of rolling up his rubber strips into a bundle. Again, how does one do that with brittle, ashlike material? Double oops! When this is pointed out, all of a sudden it now supposedly takes months for the neoprene balloons to reach a fully deteriorated state, despite Moore's own demonstrations to the contrary. >In re silk parachutes, these were used on some later "Mogul" >flights and on Skyhook and other high-altitude balloon research projects. I've got to laugh here. Again notice the imprecision. What exactly does "later" mean? This is what it _really_ means. Pflock reproduced the engineering schematic for Flt. 5 in his book (see "Roswell In Perspective). Flt. 5, also according to Moore, was very similarly configured to Flt. 4, launched only ONE DAY BEFORE. These were the first New Mexico flights, on June 4 and June 5, 1947. So does the Flt. 5 schematic show "parchment" chutes? No way! It is very clearly labeled with a single "SILK PARACHUTE." Maybe Pflock should read his own book. What about the rest of the early Moguls? Schematics for Flts. 7, 10, and 11, 12, and 16 are also reproduced in the AF Roswell report (along with 2 and 5) Flts. 7, 10, & 11 were all early July 1947 New Mexico flights -- no parachutes here. Flight 12 was in August 1947 back in Lakehurst, N.J. -- still no 'chutes. Flight 16 back in New Mexico is depicted with a single parachute attached to a banner. The type of 'chute isn't specified. It might be paper-- or maybe not. But there is NO evidence at all that Flight #4 carried any parachutes or had any need for them. Most flights don't seem to have used them. And the balloon definitely closest to Flt. 4 in time and likely configuration is CLEARLY labeled as using a single, SILK parachute (and, incidentally, no radar reflectors, as did Flt. 2). Obviously the configuration of Flt. 2 back in Pennsylvania can not be used as a precise predictor of the configuration of the first New Mexico flights. >Even some Skyhook flights seem to have used parchment >'chutes at times (I've seen photos in which the 'chutes appear to >be parchment). Apparently these came from old stock--like Charlie >Moore's radar targets with "alien" symbols. In those days, it >would seem there was still some concern about the taxpayers' >money was used. In general, the NYU and other >researchers/experiments used whatever was available, doing quite >a bit of scrounging and creative cobbling". More merriment. Let's see if I have this straight. Between June 4 and June 5, they became very concerned about the taxpayer's money and scrounged and creatively cobbled together a silk parachute to replace those multiple expensive parchment ones that supposedly explain that large quantity of parchment-like material mentioned by Marcel. No, wait a second. I guess I have that backwards. It's the silk parachutes that are expensive. So on June 5, they became all worried about the taxpayer's money and went back in time to June 4 to outfit Flight 4 with parchment parachutes to save the poor taxpayer's money. It's all so confusing. As for all that Mogul angst over the taxpayer's money, we have the following interesting quote. "Money was no object. We seemed to have an unlimited budget." That was from Col. Albert Trakowski, Mogul Project Officer, quoted in the NY Times, Sept. 14, 1994, in their front page article on Roswell on the just-released USAF report. That was to emphasize the high-priority attached to Mogul as part of a long-range Soviet A-bomb detection system. So again the skeptical inconsistently. Sometimes Mogul was really, really important, as supposedly evidenced by throwing lots of money at it (N.Y. Times). Why else would they have to cover up some decomposing, shredded, nonremarkable, unclassified, off-the-shelf meteorological balloon debris found by some sheep rancher? But then in next week's episode of Mogul Trek, we find Eastonian/Pflockian revisionism. These guys were begging for money, practically scrounging around in dumpsters for their equipment, forced to use good Republican paper parachutes instead of those fat-cat silk ones. >Thanks Karl, unless there's sustainable evidence to the contrary, >that ties up one of the few remaining 'loose ends'. Like I said, maybe Karl should read his own monograph and look at the engineering schematic of Flight 5 -- Silk parachute, not parchment, only one day after Flight 4. Three of the next six Moguls from June/July can also be conclusively documentated from surviving engineering schematics as carrying NO parachutes. Does that constitute "sustainable evidence to the contrary?" Seems to me that this loose end is going to stay loose unless detailed documentation for Flt. 4 magically appears. Here are some more points. Flight 5 was carefully tracked, documented, and eventually recovered. But Moore has emphasized over and over again that Flight 4 was a throwaway test flight, and there was never any effort expended to recover it. This is supposed to explain the complete absence of records on this flight. So answer me this. Why bother to put parachutes on a balloon when you have no intention whatsoever of recovering the payload? Is this saving the taxpayers' money? In fact, most of these Mogul flights did not seem to use parachutes, either silk or paper. According to Moore himself, they purposely recovered payloads only if they wanted to determine whether some piece of equipment was working properly. Parachutes would be superfluous for everything else. They obviously didn't care about the other payloads, even the sensitive listening devices (the only piece of Mogul equipment that was actually classified). They were left to rot in the desert. Recyclers they weren't. As Col. Trakowski said, money was no object for Project Mogul. As for quantity of debris, those off-the shelf meteorological paper parachutes were not that big. I have a very nice picture of one from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, July 10, 1947. This was a Navy radiosonde weather balloon demonstration (one of several military demonstrations immediately following Roswell with the intention of debunking the nationwide saucer reports). The parachute was designed to lower the small radiosonde transmitter once the balloon burst. The parachute appears to measure maybe 2-1/2 to 3 feet across, or maybe 5-7 square feet of paper material, hardly a large quantity even if multiplied by three parachutes. So what have we got? Maybe 20 square feet of "parchment" parachutes on Flight #4. That's not a whole lot. This is assuming, of course, that Flt. 4 actually was configured with such parachutes, for which there is conjecture based on an earlier fight elsewhere, but NO solid evidence. But to read Pflock, he tries to make it sound like the issue has been 100% settled. Let's now look at more complete testimony from Marcel and others with regards to such material, since another Eastonian/Pflockian tactic is to carefully edit the remarks to leave out all contrary evidence. Do these sound like the descriptions of "parchment" (thick paper) parachutes? JESSE MARCEL (Berlitz & Moore) "There was a great deal of an unusual parchment-like substance which was brown in color and extremely strong... One thing that impressed me about the debris was the fact that a lot of it looked like parchment. It had little numbers with symbols that we had to call hieroglyphics because I could not understand them. They could not be read, they were just like symbols, something that meant something, and they were not all the same, but the same general pattern, I would say. They were pink and purple. They looked like they were painted on. These little numbers could not be broken, could not be burned. I even took my cigarette lighter and tried to burn the material we found that resembled parchment and balsa, but it would not burn -- wouldn't even smoke." (Friedman & Berliner) "One thing that impressed me about the debris that we were referring to is the fact that a lot of it looked like parchment. ...the parchment we had [would not burn] [like the beams just previously mentioned which also would not burn]." (FUFOR television interview; also in Hesemann & Mantle) "Then there was a kind of parchment, brown and very tough..." And here was some corroboration for Marcel's statements: FLOYD PROCTOR (Husband of Loretta Proctor, neighbor of Mac Brazel. Brazel came to the Proctor house before going to the authorities in Roswell with his discovery. ) (Berlitz & Moore interviewed June 1979, around the same time as the first Marcel interviews) "[Brazel described it as] the strangest stuff he had ever seen. ...He described the stuff as being very odd. He said whatever the junk was, it had designs on it that reminded him of Chinese and Japanese designs. It wasn't paper because he couldn't cut it with his knife, and the metal was different from anything he had ever seen. He said the designs looked like the kind of stuff you would find on firecracker wrappers ... some sort of figures all done up in pastels, but not writing like we would do it. ... He was in a talkative mood, which was rare for him, and just wouldn't shut up about it. ... he really tried to get us to go down there and look at it." LORRAINE FERGUSON (Lorraine Ferguson was Mac Brazel's older sister) Berlitz & Moore, interviewed June 1979) "Whatever he found it was all in pieces and some of it had some kind of unusual writing on it -- Mac said it was like the kind of stuff you find all over Japanese and Chinese firecrackers; not really writing, just wiggles and such. Of course, he couldn't read it and neither could anybody else as far as I heard ... Everybody up there by the ranch knew about it, but as far as I know, nobody ever identified what it was or what its purpose might have been. At first they called it a weather balloon, but of course it wasn't that ..." In summary, whatever this stuff was, it was covered with squiggly writing of some sort (2 or 3 sources). Marcel's testimony suggests large quantities of it. Marcel said it was brown in color. Marcel referred to it being extremely tough and unbreakable (implying stiffness beyond what one would expect from paper parachute material). Similarly Brazel (through Proctor) claimed it couldn't be cut with a knife. According to Marcel and also Brazel (again through Proctor), the material would not burn. What sort of superpaper did they make these "parchment" parachutes from such that they couldn't be cut with a knife or made to burn? Why cover them with strange writing? Why would the brightly colored parachutes completely fade in the sun but not the reported writing? How could three small paper parachutes account for the large quantities of parchment-like material Marcel referred to? And oh yes, could the skeptics please point me to all that parchment parachute debris in the photos taken at Fort Worth? Isn't that supposed to be everything brought back by Marcel from Brazel's place according to you guys? And if there were parachutes recovered, shouldn't there also be the associated _payload_ very close by? Why have parachutes without a payload? The payload for Flight 4 was a sonobuoy (and beneath that was the ballast control equipment). One would think Marcel and Cavitt would have found it mixed in with those alleged parchment parachute pieces (and other structural components of the parachutes). But did either say anything about it? No. So where are those other expected parts in the Fort Worth photos? That is the "real" Roswell debris, isn't it? David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:30:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:35:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? Regarding: >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> >Subject: Re: Biological Evidence Of An Alien Entity? >Date: Sun, 30 May 99 22:40:31 PDT Bill wrote: >I expected my IUR article to create some controversy, but >probably not before people have had a chance to read it (eg. >Paul Badger). Yes Paul there is a lot more to this than the few >lines you have made some premature conclusions from. >I urge you to read the IUR piece first. It is a complex and >detailed piece (15 pages) and then perhaps comment further. Bill, Appreciating that reading the full article is a necessity, re some comments you have made outwith the article and which can hopefully be addressed separately: >Also the source of the hair was an alleged tall blonde haired female, >who apart from very unusual "blue" eyes" a few times larger than >standard human, and a long narrow face with pinty chin.. I'm sure you recognise the striking similarities between this description and another alleged 'abductee case with sexual overtones', the Antonio Villas Boas case you mentioned, e.g., Villas Boas claimed: "Her hair was fair, almost white (like hair bleached with peroxide), smooth, not very abundant, reaching to half way down her neck and with the ends curling inwards; and parted in the center. Her eyes were large and blue, more elongated than round, being slanted outwards.. What was different was the contour of her face, for the cheekbones were very high, making the face very wide (much wider than in the South American Indian woman). But then, immediately below, the face narrowed very sharply, terminating in a pointed chin". This latter description was taken from a ParaNet BBS file, which begins: The following is an excerpt from "UFO ABDUCTIONS True Cases of Alien Kidnappings" Edited and with Commentaries by D. Scott Rogo, 1980, Signet Books. In this compilation there is a chapter by Gordon Creighton, titled "The Amazing Case of Antonio Villas Boas." For the information of all, and intending no infringement of copyright, I have extracted the part of Antonio Villas Boas' deposition given to Dr Fontes on February 22, 1958, in the presence of a witness, namely journalist Joao Martins, which details his abduction". You'll probably have a copy of Villas Boas' deposition, if not, please let me know if you would like this lengthy file e-mailed. Coincidentally, the BBS file may have originated in Australia, apparently from: UFO Research Australia Secretary - Cairns QLD e-mail to ParaNet: 9:1040/6 - Internet: pony.godic@paranet.org What do you make of the notable resemblance in these descriptions? James. E-mail: voyager@ukonline.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 BWW Media Alert 19990530 From: Bufo Calvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:02:43 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:21:24 -0400 Subject: BWW Media Alert 19990530 Bufo Calvin P O Box 5231, Walnut Creek, CA 94596 Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com Website: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin">http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin </A> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/bufosweirdworld">Link to Amazon.com </A> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made to http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with strangers before you e-mail them something. If you forward this, please make sure it is clear that you are forwarding it). May 30, 1999 Some exciting things are happening! I'll be making a rare one-hour appearance (I don't have that much time to do these currently) on Eddie Middleton's NIGHTSEARCH today (Sunday , May 30) at 3:00 PM (Pacific). I'm going to go back to do a regular segment on this show. Feel free to call in, although there is no streaming audio. For details, see Radio below. I've started a new free e-mailing list, called BWNL (Bufo's WEIRD NEWS Links) at OneList. It posts URLS to stories on weird happenings in non-paranormal-dedicated media. It very specifically does not comment on those stories: I wanted there to be a way for researchers of all opinions to be informed about this "mainstream" coverage with a very low noise to signal ratio. It's just started, but seems like it will work. Stories already linked (and listed in the archives) have included Bigfoot in California and a very interesting, multiple-pilot/radar UFO report. To subscribe, go to <A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/bwnl">http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/ bwnl </A>. Spread the word on this one: it looks like I'll typically post several links a week, but the more people participating, the better. I'm also beginning to list books from Amazon.uk at Bufo's WEIRD WORLD books. Not only will this make it cheaper (and more convenient) for my European leaders, it additionally gives me a chance to list some items which are not available through Amazon.com. Finally, I should have the next Bufo's ANOMALIT Review out in the next two days. As usual, let me know what you think at <A HREF="mailto: bufocalvin@aol.com">BufoCalvin@aol.com </A>. On to the listings: Times are generally Pacific. RADIO Eddie Middleton's very popular show in the South, Nightsearch, has a website at <A HREF="http://listen.to/nightsearch">http://listen.to/nightsearch<;/A>. Starting soon, the new website at <A HREF="http://www.nightsearch.net/">http://www.nightsearch.net/<;/A>. Unfortunately, no streaming audio. Sundays from 2:00 to 4:00 PM (Pacific). The call-in line is 901-365-1430. Sunday, May 30, 2:00 PM, Bufo Calvin (yes, it's me) Sunday, June 6, 2:00 PM (Pacific), Llew Wykel (Stonehenge, aliens, etc.) Don Ecker, of UFO MAGAZINE, hosts STRANGE DAZE on the Liberty Works. It can be heard on streaming Real Audio at <A HREF="http://www.broadcast.com/radio/talk/lwrn">http://www.broadcast.com/radio /talk/lwrn </A>. Mike Jarmus, REALITY AND BEYOND, 7:00 PM Sundays, <A HREF="http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram">http://spectrum.orn.com/omega.ram </A>. Streaming audio available ART BELL - DREAMLAND Currently, the most popular talk show on this area. <A HREF="http://www.artbell.com/">http://www.artbell.com/<;/A>. Live streaming audio (and video) available. JEFF RENSE - SIGHTINGS Jeff is well-versed on the topics, but likes to let the guests speak, resulting in one of the best radio shows on these topics. You can hear Real Audio of the show, and there are archives as well. Go to <A HREF="http://www.sightings.com/">http://www.sightings.com/<;/A> for more information. The show is on at 7:00 PM Pacific Monday through Friday, and 8:00 PM Pacific on Sunday. You can hear it anywhere through your computer. Please note that Jeff also often covers topics which I do not consider relevant to this list. To subscribe to the Jeff Rense Weekly E-news (which includes articles and a complete guest listing), e-mail (subject: Subscribe) <A HREF="mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net">mailto:jocelyn@dewittec.net</A>. Wednesday, June 2, 7:00 PM, Michael Lindemann, Weekly UFO/World report; Chris Dunn and Jordan Maxwell on the Giza Plateau Thursday, June 3, 7:00 PM, Mike Sabom, MD on Light and Death Friday, June 4, 7:00 PM, Nancy on Zetatalk PAUL WILLIAMS & SCOTT CARR: UFO DESK This New York show has been around for years, but is now available on streaming audio. The website is <A HREF="http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ufodesk.html">http://www.escape.com/~paulw/ ufodesk.html </A>. It runs at 8:00 PM (Pacific) on Sundays. JEFF MISHLOVE AND THE VIRTUAL UNIVERSITY Webcast every weekday at 8:00 PM for two hours, with a repeat at 10:00 PM. Webcast at <A HREF="http://www.wisdomradio.com/">http://www.wisdomradio.com/<;/A>. TELEVISION A&E (USA) Sunday, May 30, 11:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: POLTERGEIST Thursday, June 3, 7:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: THE TWIN CONNECTION Thursday, June 3, 10:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: THE TWIN CONNECTION Next Sunday, June 6, 11:00 AM, THE UNEXPLAINED: THE TWIN CONNECTION CHANNEL 7 (Australia) Monday, May 31, 4:40 AM, ARTHUR. C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE: THE EVIL EYE Tuesday, June 1, 4:40 AM, ARTHUR. C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Wednesday, June 2, 4:40 AM, ARTHUR. C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Thursday, June 3, 4:40 AM, ARTHUR. C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Saturday, June 5, 8:30 PM, THE UFO FILES (hosted by Roger Moore, presents supposed KGB UFO footage, including a crash recovery and alien autopsy) Saturday, June 5, 10:30 PM, SIGHTINGS (episode unknown) THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (Europe) Sunday, May 30, 1:10 PM (GMT+1), ANIMAL X (alien animals; killer bees; Egyptian cat cult) Sunday, May 30, 4:20 PM (GMT+1), ANIMAL X (alien animals; killer bees; Egyptian cat cult) Tuesday, June 1, 3:00 PM (GMT+1), SCIENCE OF THE IMPOSSIBLE (Invisible Forces) (parapsychology) THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL (USA) Thursday, June 3, 10:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: CREATURES IN THE SHADOWS (killer bees; animals that heal) Friday, June 4, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: CREATURES IN THE SHADOWS (killer bees; animals that heal) Saturday, June 5, 2:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: CREATURES IN THE SHADOWS (killer bees; animals that heal) Next Friday, June 11, 8:00 PM, UFOS IN AUSTRALIA Next Friday, June 11, 11:00 PM, UFOS IN AUSTRALIA THE HISTORY CHANNEL (USA) Next Monday, June 7, 6:00 PM, HAUNTED HISTORY: NEW ORLEANS Next Monday, June 7, 10:00 PM, HAUNTED HISTORY: NEW ORLEANS Next Tuesday, June 8, 11:00 AM, 20TH CENTURY WITH MIKE WALLACE: ARE WE ALONE? (UFOs) Next Tuesday, June 8, 4:00 PM, 20TH CENTURY WITH MIKE WALLACE: ARE WE ALONE? (UFOs) Next Tuesday, June 8, 6:00 PM, HAUNTED HISTORY: NEW ENGLAND Next Tuesday, June 8, 10:00 PM, HAUNTED HISTORY: NEW ENGLAND MTV (USA) Next Wednesday, June 9, 1:30 PM, ROAD RULES: AUSTRALIA (includes UFOs) PREMIERE (EUROPE) Tuesday, June 1, 4:45 AM (GMT+1), ALIEN CONTACT THE SCIENCE CHANNEL New schedule again, since March 29. Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE (don't know which one) Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays, 10:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Tuesday and Saturday, 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Weekdays,6:00 PM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:00 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Every day but Monday and Sunday, 1:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE Tuesdays through Saturdays, 2:00 AM, STRANGE BUT TRUE? Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 9:00 AM and 9:30 AM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, 5:00 PM and 5:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE Saturdays, OUT OF THIS WORLD all day long THE SCI-FI CHANNEL (US Feed) Tuesday, June 1, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3020 (UFOs in the Pacific Northwest; healing; psychic detective; Hollywood haunting) Wednesday, June 2, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3021 (Roswell; dog senses impending heart attack; psychic detective; cemetary haunting) Thursday, June 3, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3022 (twins abducted by aliens; artificial intelligence; haunting; angels) Friday, June 4, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3023 (past lives; ghost; ETs and nuclear weapons; snake handling; near-death experiences) Next Tuesday, June 8, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3024 (Israeli UFOs; near-death experiences; Bigfoot; "UFO defense manual") Next Wednesday, June 9, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3025 (Hangar 18, UFOs and the Air Force; psychic detective; reincarnation; alien abductions; life on Mars) Next Thursday, June 10, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #3026 (UFO technology; trauma-induced ESP; Bahamian Obeah rituals; Mexican UFOs; intuitive healing) Next Friday, June 11, 11:00 AM, SIGHTINGS, EPISODE #4027 (UFO tape; psychic detective; alien autopsy: Bigfoot) SPACE (Canada) Monday, May 31, 3:30 AM (time zone unknown), EXTRAORDINARY (includes Loni Anderson's psychic experiences) Friday, June 4, 7:30 AM (time zone unknown), MYSTERIOUS FORCES BEYOND (ghost-busters) Next Monday, June 7, 5:00 AM (time zone unknown), MYSTERIES, MAGIC & MIRACLES (Roswell) (This series is hosted by Patrick MacNee, used to run on the SCI-FI CHANNEL in the U.S.) Two weeks from Sunday, June 13, 7:30 AM, MYSTERIOUS FORCES BEYOND (psychic healing) Two weeks from Sunday, June 13, 12:30 PM (time zone unknown), ANIMAL X-FILES (Jersey Devil; Howick Falls monster in South Africa) Two weeks from Sunday, June 13, 5:30 PM, IN ADVANCE OF THE LANDING (a well-respected examination of UFO beliefs ((pre Heaven's Gate...from 1991) SYNDICATED (Canada) Thursday, June 3, THE ROSEANNE SHOW (includes psychic George Anderson) Next Tuesday, June 8, MAURY (psychic and author James Van Praagh) SYNDICATED (USA) Tuesday, June 1, MONTEL WILLIAMS: psychic Sylvia Browne Thursday, June 3, THE ROSEANNE SHOW (includes psychic George Anderson) ___________________________ This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!" ____________________________ You can stop receiving this from me just by asking (note: it is commonly redistributed, and I can't control you getting it from those sources) by e-mail at BufoCalvin@aol.com. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 UFOINFO Web Site Down & UFO Roundup From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:02:38 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:39:58 -0400 Subject: UFOINFO Web Site Down & UFO Roundup For those trying to access the UFOINFO site after the hacking incident: The latest estimate is that things might be up and running by late Tuesday night, assuming no set-backs or other problems. **If** UFO ROUNDUP is published during this time it will still be sent out to UFO UpDates etc., as normal. Please note I have not heard from Joseph Trainor since his move of house, so have no way of knowing when it will be back. Regards, John Hayes jhayes@cableinet.co.uk webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com UFO Roundup:- http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ Filer's Files:- http://ufoinfo.com/filer/ AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences:- http://ufoinfo.com/ufoicq/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Roger Sandell Memorial Essay Competition From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:22:47 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:46:01 -0400 Subject: Roger Sandell Memorial Essay Competition In memory of the life and work of Roger Sandell, who died in January 1996, Magonia has instituted a regular essay competition with a prize of GBP 100 (USD 160) for an essay in a field related to Roger's interests. Enties are now invited for the second competition, which has the broad theme of: The Media, Vision and Belief. This can be interpreted in the widest sense, and could include media coverage of specific phenomena or beliefs; how the media shapes contemporary beliefs; how the media contributes to public understanding (or misunderstanding) of anomalous events or beliefs; or any other aspect of media interaction with the topics covered in Magonia magazine. This list is not intended to be comprehensive, and potential entrants are invited to contact the editor of Magonia to discuss if a proposed topic would be suitable. Entry is open to all, except those listed as editors of Magonia in the current issue. Each entry must be the original and unpublished work of the entrant, and must not be submitted elsewhere for award or publication before 31st October 1999. Entries must be between 4000 and 5000 words, not including notes and references, but lengthy footnotes should be avoided. Entries must be typed, double spaced, on one side of A4 paper, with a separate sheet giving the title and the entrant's name and address. Entries must be posted to John Rimmer, John Dee Cottage, 5 James Terrace, London SW14 8HB, UK, in time to be received by 31st September 1999. Entries sent on disc, by fax or e-mail are not acceptable. Entries will be judged by John Rimmer, John Harney and Peter Rogerson, and the winner will receive a prize of 100 pounds ($160). No correspondence will be entered into. The judges reserve the right to withold the prize if they consider that no entry reaches a sufficiently high standard. The winning entry will be published in Magonia. The editors may wish to publish other entries by agreement with the authors. -- John Rimmer www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: Biological (DNA) Evidence For Aliens? From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:01:15 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:58:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Biological (DNA) Evidence For Aliens? >To: updates@globalserve.net >From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> >Subject: Biological (DNA) Evidence For Aliens? >Date: Sun, 30 May 99 18:34:46 PDT >I encourage researchers and those interested in the UFO subject >to check out my article in the International UFO Reporter (IUR) >re "Strange Evidence", current issue (Spring, 1999). >In it I describe efforts to use a scientific forensic style >investigation of physical evidence in an abduction style episode >in Sydney during 1992. PCR [polymerase chain reaction --ebk] >was used in used to undertake a mitochondrial DNA sequence >analysis of a shed hair from the incident. >I expected to only demonstrate the possible utility of PCR & >other biological methods in abduction investigations. That I >think was well demonstrated, but we also managed to highlight >some unusual anomalies. >Dr. Kary Mullis, who discovered the PCR method, which >revolutionised DNA biochemistry, has had an unusual experience. >I interviewed him and my account can be found as an on line web >supplement to my "Strange Evidence" report at the CUFOS web >address: >http://www.cufos.org/IUR_Spring99_addendum.html <snip> Hi, Having read this stunning case it poses so many questions that it is hard to know where to start. Bill mentions in his report a case I followed up in Bolton, Lancashire, featuring a very similar entity. I should add that extremely blonde haired (near white) Nordics are the norm in UK cases pre the Strieber explosion of l987. There are other entities of this sort in my records and the lack of awareness amongst the general public is a factor as movies and TV always portray aliens as grays, or at least 'little men'. So if you want to invent an alien it surely would not be of this unexpected type. It also brings to mind the 1958 case of Cynthia Appleton where the entities were again tall Nordics with Oriental features. Indeed they arrived in two ways. During the first visit via a pyrotechnic explosion of light (akin to the mystical appearance and disappearance often displayed by these Nordics) (Jessie Roestenberg - witness to the UKs first major CE 3 - again blonde haired Nordics at Ranton, Staffs, in l954 - told me she did not believe a word of modern abductions because her entities did not fly but appeared and disappeared like the entities Peter Khoury reported and because - her precise words - 'Ive seen em and they are humans not little grey things'). Back to Cynthia Appleton. Her later visits came via the Nordics arriving in earth clothes and driving a car! They engaged in what is one of the first -if not the first - documented 'alien baby' saga (this was on record in l958 and Cynthia gave birth to the child in May l959). The entities documented in advance (and these were put on public record in advance) the birth characteristics of the child - telling her it would be human, her husband was the father but the baby was of the alien race - inferring it had mixed DNA. In those days DNA was unknown and the ability to predict a birth date, let alone physical features (blond hair and blue eyes by the way), were science fiction. It is only 40 years on this case sounds credible. (see my IUR article -'A visitor from Gharnasvarn') Another feature of the Appleton case is that on one visit a piece of alien skin was left behind. This was thin and translucent. The investigator, Dr John Dale, arranged for a study by then new electron microscope at Manchester University. Years later he showed me the results - which were never published as part of the deal with the scientists involved. The outcome was that the skin had human like character but was not human. Its closest comparison was pig skin but it was not this either. However, it was not obviously extraterrestrial and far more human than not. Indeed is not pig DNA now considered compatible enough with human for some kind of skin grafting experiments? DNA testing on it would have been more than interesting to see if this was in fact actually just a very rare type of human skin. That these cases weave such a fascinating pattern despite being separated by decades and 10,000 miles is strong evidence of something important going on. Incidentally, I have tried very hard to find the child born to the alien experiment in l959. I have his name (I have deliberately misreported this in my published accounts) and birth details and he would now be 40. I have sought him in various ways and if anyone out there has any suggestions to offer as to a means to try to locate someone I'd be grateful. I think some researchers who might be happy with this news are those (like myself) with a sneaking liking for the time travel hypothesis. Jim Penniston - witness to the Rendlesham Forest saga - says that he was told the 'aliens' are humans from our own future returning through time to extract DNA to try to ensure the survival of their moribund future race. They do this by mix and match sampling. One can envisage a future earth dominated by Asiatics rather more readily than aliens with Asiatic characteristics. Well, at least I can. Jenny Randles
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 1999 > May > May 31 Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:03:59 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:02:59 -0400 Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:20:10 EDT >Subject: Re: An Open Letter To A Friend, Jeff Rense... Journalist >To: updates@globalserve.net >I am reduced to a quivering mass of inert protoplasm. My >reputations as Cheeser, Vintner, UFO publisher and inebriant are >finished. My fresh wines are not selling well. People think I >have come out of my security closet, the one I hide in and pass >notes to my employees ... whenever the rest of the world goes >mad. The one in which my non compos mentis ravings are well >met. That place I go in order to receive messages from the tin >foil hat I wear in there. >I promise to answer all the private mail I've received, just >give me some time... and please, stop sending the original to >your friends... It's ruining my reputation as a ditsy dirt-bag. >Was it worth it all? >Yes. And thanks. >Jim Dear Monsignor Mortadella, provider of salami, bologna and fresh vintage wines: Please stoppa disturbando mia Burpa. You'a knocka dem suds off. With the very best regards - Larry PS: Further findings! http://www.jps.net/larryhat/48yrs.html If that doesn't work, navigate thru the Statistics Menu. Otherwise, try Larry Hatches Burpa! It ain't exactly Grippa, but it don't dye a guys stools Purpa. [sorry] = = = = = = = =