UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep UFO UpDates Mailing List Sep 2002 Sep 1: Larry Hatch Back Online - Larry Hatch [8] Sep 2: UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces - Stig Agermose [13] Sep 1: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Bob Young [158] Sep 2: UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces - Stig Agermose [13] Sep 1: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Bob Young [158] Sep 2: Mick Jagger An Alien Magnet? - Stig Agermose [28] UFOs Back In Headlines - Stig Agermose [97] Re: Physical Evidence - Speiser - Jim Speiser [28] Re: UFO Crashes In Angola - Lemire - Todd Lemire [19] New Crop-Glyph? - Eleanor White [15] Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Bob Young [16] Music Companies Cash In On UFO Scare - UFO UpDates - Toronto [31] Mantell Peer Review Prep - Kevin Randle [23] Man Claimed To Be Alien, Wife Testifies - UFO UpDates - Toronto [46] Experts Say UFO Photo Is A Fake - UFO UpDates - Toronto [32] Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - McGonagle - Joe McGonagle [20] Re: New Crop-Glyph? - Hamilton - Bill Hamilton [22] Magonia Supplement No. 40 - John Harney [286] Bill Barry? - Jim Speiser [4] Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - Myers - Royce J. Myers III - The Watchdog [18] MUFON Fall Symposium October 5th, 2002 - Jim Kelly [6] Archive Top 20 'Reads' 08-02 - UFO UpDates - Toronto [63] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer - John Rimmer [28] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer - John Rimmer [61] Swahili Book On Unidentified Flying Objects - Larry Hatch [51] Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs - Speiser - Jim Speiser [40] UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces - Stig Agermose [13] Re: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, - Brian Vike [60] Sep 3: Re: Bill Barry? - Young - Bob Young [16] Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th - Jim Speiser [29] Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Kenny Young [60] Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 Chile - Scott Corrales [29] Info on Viewing Chilean Video - Scott Corrales [10] New Cattle Mute Case in Curuzu Cuatia Argentina - Scott Corrales [35] Chinese Ufology? - Bill Chalker [6] Dark Matters Investigations - Jason Groves [9] Dark Matters Investigations - Jason Groves [9] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young - Bob Young [44] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young - Bob Young [50] I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - David Acres [32] Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 - Bob Young [13] Re: Bill Barry? - Jim Speiser [21] Re: Chinese Ufology? - Hatch - Larry Hatch [20] Book Reviews - Philip Mantle [13] Re: Bill Barry? - Hall - Richard Hall [25] Re: Mantell Peer Review Prep - Ledger - Don Ledger [31] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall - Richard Hall [90] Secrecy News -- 09/03/02 - Steven Aftergood [157] Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Tom King [53] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Reason - Catherine Reason [31] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - John Velez [146] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - John Velez [37] Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors - Wendy Connors [23] Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? - Bill Chalker [4] Sighting Of My Own - Don Ledger [7] Sep 4: Re: Bill Barry? - Young - Bob Young [18] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - Bob Young [13] Re: Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? - Benson - Tom Benson [9] Re: Rhetorical Question - Young - Bob Young [23] Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser - Jim Speiser [10] Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Bob Young [35] Police Helicopter Chases UFO - Stig Agermose [35] Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil - Fern Belzil [21] UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 36 - John Hayes [478] Spellbound By The Signs Of Our Time - UFO UpDates - Toronto [93] Tunguska Explosion New Hypothesis - UFO UpDates - Toronto [68] Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton - Dave Morton [103] Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 - Scott Corrales [13] Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil - Fern Belzil [21] Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Kenny Young [36] Link to Chilean Video - Scott Corrales [6] D2003 Media Announcement - September 4 - Stephen Bassett [24] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [59] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Tom King [34] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Gates - Robert Gates [24] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - Gildas Bourdais [201] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall - Richard Hall [77] Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests - Steven Kaeser [7] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hall - Richard Hall [18] Filer's Files #36 - 2002 - George A. Filer [516] Re: Rhetorical Questions - Velez - John Velez elez.aic@verizon.net> [116] Re: Bill Barry? - Goldstein - Josh Goldstein [54] Bryant On Failure of Justice - Larry W. Bryant [71] Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer - John Rimmer [64] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer - John Rimmer [75] 'Aliens' In Military Exercise In Arkansas? - UFO UpDates - Toronto [60] Sep 5: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser - Jim Speiser [21] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ledger - Don Ledger [57] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - Bill Hamilton [20] Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton - Dave Morton [152] Re: Bill Barry? - Heath - Gord Heath [33] Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ballester - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [27] The WHY? FILES - Geoff Richardson [8] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - Bob Young [20] Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer - John Rimmer [126] Re: Bill Barry? - Young - Bob Young [38] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - Bob Young [25] E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - UFO UpDates - Toronto [22] New At Magonia - John Rimmer [12] Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) - Steven Kaeser [21] Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) - Steven Kaeser [21] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [44] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall - Richard Hall [28] Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 - Steven Aftergood [132] Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - - Bob Young [27] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - Bob Young [25] Sep 6: West Virginia: UFO Cult In Effort To Clone Dead Son - Stig Agermose [86] UFO Conference - Tom Benson [17] Speakers for Cincinnati UFO Conference - 9/28 - Kenny Young [89] Re: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests - Scott Hale [28] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates - Robert Gates [19] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Maccabee - Bruce Maccabee [23] HBCC UFO Reports - 09-05-02 - Brian Vike [143] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - King - Tom King [46] Re: New At Magonia - Hall - Richard Hall [37] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton - Bill Hamilton [37] Re: New At Magonia - Ledger - Don Ledger [21] Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - Stig Agermose [26] 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO [16] UFO Collection For Sale - Royce J Myers III [13] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Myers - Royce J. Myers III [25] Re: ET Association? - Diana Cammack [6] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Maccabee - Bruce Maccabee [44] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Don Ledger [25] Strange Circle Found In Kazakhstan - Scott Corrales [33] UFO Sightings Over Spain Continue - Scott Corrales [51] UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - John [29] 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday October 24' - Stig Agermose [57] New At Magonia Correction - John Rimmer [7] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Hall - Richard Hall [26] Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - White - Eleanor White [14] Re: ET Association? - Hayes - John Hayes [23] Sep 5: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [44] Sep 7: Re: 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday - Robert Gates [25] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Stig Agermose [26] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates - Robert Gates [61] Corn MAiZE 2002 Honors American Heroes - Stig Agermose [62] More Mars Controversy - UFO UpDates - Toronto [75] F16 Fighter Scramble In DC - Paul Novak [74] Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia - Chaz Stuart [4] Muhnochwas Spread To Neighbouring Indian State - Stig Agermose [42] 'Looking for Orthon' A Review - Wendy Connors [49] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Don Ledger [40] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger - Don Ledger [25] Sep 5: Chile: All Signs Point To UFO - Scott Corrales [132] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall - Richard Hall [28] Sep 7: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [41] Sep 5: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [44] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall - Richard Hall [28] Sep 8: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser - Jim Speiser [43] New Sign Historical Group Documents On-Line - Jan Aldrich [74] Leading Hair Expert On Verge Of Proving Existence - Stig Agermose [40] 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom - Stig Agermose [23] Stan's Missing E-mail - Stan Friedman [11] Ballad of 9-11 - Bruce Maccabee [5] UFO Seen In Tijuana - Scott Corrales [35] Sep 9: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - Stig Agermose [94] More TEM THEMIS Weirdness - Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior [56] Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Bueche - Will Bueche [36] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd - A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO [65] Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [51] UFO Sightings OZ Files 09.09.02 - Diane Harrison [393] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young - Bob Young [23] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [114] Secrecy News -- 09/09/02 - Steven Aftergood [108] Re: More TEM THEMIS Weirdness - Morton - Dave Morton [69] Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - Hall - Richard Hall [40] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Mark Doulton [42] Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - - Steven Kaeser [21] Thought For The Day - Jim Speiser [7] Sep 7: Flash Down To Meteor Or Junk - Stig Agermose [30] More Mars Controversy - UFO UpDates - Toronto [75] Sep 10: CI: Infrared Images & Underground Cities on Mars: - Mac Tonnies [127] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [40] CCCRN News: Two Formations - Mission, BC - Paul Anderson [49] Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Velez - John Velez [38] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [15] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [31] Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [17] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - Gildas Bourdais [217] Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 - Loren Coleman [103] Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Maccabee - Bruce Maccabee [26] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - John Velez [65] Buzz Socks Skeptic - Kenny Young [30] Secrecy News -- 09/10/02 - Steven Aftergood [114] Cold Fusion Papers Available - Terry Blanton [15] Mystery Object J002E3 - Don Ledger [74] The Oddities Of People's Beliefs - UFO UpDates - Toronto [70] Sep 6: Re: ET Association? - Hayes - John Hayes [23] Re: New At Magonia - Hall - Richard Hall [37] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton - Bill Hamilton [37] Sep 7: The Truth is Out ... There - UFO UpDates - Toronto [88] Sep 5: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) - Steven Kaeser [21] Sep 11: Skeptic Says Buzz Aldrin Attacked Him - UFO UpDates - Toronto [20] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young - Bob Young [12] Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 - Stig Agermose [170] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - YoungBob2@aol.com [46] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young - Bob Young [41] Re: Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia - Gates - Robert Gates [31] Italian UFO Newsflash No. 366 - Edoardo Russo [92] Re: 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom - - Larry Hatch [27] 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported - UFO UpDates - Toronto [235] Filer's Files #37 - 2002 - George A. Filer [505] Publishing Factoid Of The Day - Loren Coleman [6] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger - Don Ledger [20] Re: The Oddities Of People's Beliefs - Don Ledger [24] 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Bob Young [20] Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young - Tom King [50] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - John Velez [47] Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien - Gildas Bourdais [30] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [74] 'Signs' Director? - Thiago L. Ticchetti [6] Sep 5: Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 - Steven Aftergood [132] Sep 12: The Oberg Challenge - Jim Speiser [84] Mantell Again - Kevin Randle [19] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [59] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer - John Rimmer [39] Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 - Jan Aldrich [15] Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 - Bruce Maccabee [35] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young - Bob Young [22] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - Robert Gates [38] CCCRN News: Update - Two Corn Formations - - Paul Anderson [75] Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK - Thiago L. Ticchetti [9] Ceramic Monster Marks 50Th Anniversary Of UFO - Loren Coleman [27] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd - A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO [48] Re: Offically Released Documents Support - Jan Aldrich [50] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA - Jan Aldrich [57] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Ballester Olmos - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [32] Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres - David Acres [41] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [42] Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 - Richard Hall [22] Re: Mantell Again - Connors - Wendy Connors [48] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger - Don Ledger [40] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - - Will Bueche [58] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein - Josh Goldstein [110] UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 37 - John Hayes [571] Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer - John Rimmer [32] Re: Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK - Morris - Eric Morris [17] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - John Velez [71] Re: The Oberg Challenge -Ives Lewis - Duncan Ives Lewis [56] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Speiser - Jim Speiser [26] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall - Richard Hall [51] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Speiser - Jim Speiser [89] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Bob Young [28] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - - John [64] J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Stig Agermose [49] Mysteries Magazine - The Official Website - Mac Tonnies [11] Greer [was: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of - John Velez [73] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez - John Velez [65] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez - John Velez [65] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger - Don Ledger [126] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall - Richard Hall [51] Sep 13: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - - Robert Gates [97] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates - Robert Gates RGates8254@aol.com [52] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Robert Gates [71] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Colaw - John Colaw [21] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young - Bob Young [10] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates - Robert Gates [94] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Gates - Robert Gates [35] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young - Bob Young [35] Re: Greer - Aldrich - Jan Aldrich [122] 'New Moon' Likely Space Junk - Brian Straight [14] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates - Robert Gates RGates8254@aol.com [52] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger - Don Ledger [18] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger - Don Ledger [50] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger - Don Ledger [52] Re: Secrecy News -- 09/13/02 - Aftergood - Steven Aftergood [134] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Richard Hall [43] The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Duncan Ives Lewis [153] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [64] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - McGonagle - Joe McGonagle [22] Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall - Richard Hall [82] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [53] Re: Greer - Aldrich - Jan Aldrich [122] Sep 14: UFOs And Bodily Harm - UFO UpDates - Toronto [363] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [59] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Speiser - Jim Speiser [29] Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - Stig Agermose [77] Berkley Blames Aliens For 9-11 - Stig Agermose [39] Re: 'Officer': Aliens Took Part In Military - Stig Agermose [66] 1976 Oz UFO Footage On-Line - Stig Agermose [109] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates - Robert Gates [81] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Gates - Robert Gates [40] Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - - Robert Gates [25] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Speiser - Jim Speiser [42] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger - Larry Hatch [35] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch - Larry Hatch [67] Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - - Larry Hatch [43] Oscar Magocsi 1928 - 2002 - UFO UpDates - Toronto [11] International Lunacy Day? - Richard Hall [5] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger - Don Ledger [41] Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Don Ledger [29] Venus Was There - Manuel Borraz [55] The South American UFO Flap - Geoff Richardson [9] Lost E-mail - John Hayes [13] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger - Don Ledger [41] Sep 15: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser - Jim Speiser [15] Re: he Oberg Challenge - Goldstein - Josh Goldstein [103] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein - Josh Goldstein [30] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Josh Goldstein [37] Terrace, British Columbia Sighting - 09-13-02 - Brian Vike [27] Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Richardson - Geoff Richardson [22] SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - John Velez [70] Ted Bloecher? - Luis R. Gonzalez [8] 'The Crop Busters' Sunday Times UK - Dave Haith - visions@ntlworld.com [213] CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle Formation - Paul Anderson [85] Russian Invents 'Flying Saucer' For Everyday Use - Stig Agermose [69] Sep 16: CCCRN News: Four Formations - Punnichy, - Paul Anderson [59] New Daylight UFO Photos - David Acres [3] New Books For Review - Philip Mantle [9] Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger - Don Ledger [33] The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Nick Balaskas [26] Who _Is_ That? - Don Ledger [14] Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Velez - John Velez [65] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - John [56] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - - Josh Goldstein [59] Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Rudiak - David Rudiak [13] New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - David Rudiak [47] Sighting Mercier, Quebec - Brian Vike [67] Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall - Richard Hall [18] Who _Is_ That? - Don Ledger [14] Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - - Josh Goldstein [59] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - John [56] Sep 17: RIAP Kharkov Ukraine - Alexander Beletsky [120] Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Rudiak - David Rudiak [54] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Jones - Steve Jones [85] Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - - Bruce Maccabee [26] Re: CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle - Bruce Maccabee [24] Captain William O. Schaffner Case Solved - Gary Anthony [23] Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear Plant? - Stig Agermose [78] Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - - Bruce Maccabee [10] Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Maccabee - Bruce Maccabee [9] Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser - Jim Speiser [39] BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't Abducted In - Stig Agermose [40] North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - David Clarke [40] Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - - Gildas Bourdais [93] Ann Andrews Lecture Brisbane Oz 21-09-02 - Diane Harrison [40] Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - - Bruce Maccabee [10] Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - J B Michaels [42] Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Ballester Olmos - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [17] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Don Ledger [64] Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger - Don Ledger [40] UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina - Scott Corrales [64] Re: BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't - Geoff Richardson [18] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - David Clarke [47] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Velez - John Velez [32] Ohio State UFO Collection - William E. Jones [28] Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Balaskas - Nick Balaskas [43] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Andy Roberts [13] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Woods - Michael Woods [17] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Royce J. Myers III [26] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gehrman - Ed Gehrman [65] Secrecy News -- 09/17/02 - Steven Aftergood [112] Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Ballester Olmos - Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos [22] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Jones - Sean Jones [17] Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall - Richard Hall [47] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hayes - John Hayes [21] Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Speiser - Jim Speiser [31] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Jim Speiser [17] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hall - Richard Hall [45] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Don Ledger [37] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Nick Pope [44] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Don Ledger [35] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Bruce Maccabee [22] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Wendy Connors [5] Sep 18: Re: UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina - - Manuel Borraz [12] Re: 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - Anthony - Gary Anthony [21] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young - Bob Young [18] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - David D. Furlotte [36] The Truth Is... It's A Tower - UFO UpDates - Toronto [27] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hamilton - Bill Hamilton [35] Reporter Remembers Highs Lows Of Job - UFO UpDates - Toronto [53] Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young - Bob Young [21] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - Josh Goldstein [130] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - - James Alexander [55] UFO Periodicals Wanted And For Trade - Rod Dyke [516] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Bob Young [43] Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - - Bob Young [17] Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man - Bob Young [27] Two Major Articles On Evidence For Circles - Paul Anderson [377] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates - Robert Gates [34] Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Gates - Robert Gates [27] Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - - Robert Gates [21] Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch - Larry Hatch [80] UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 38 - John Hayes [588] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Andy Roberts [18] Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - - Andy Roberts [28] Filer's Files #38 - 2002 - George A. Filer [516] Donating Harddrive Space - Jeff Behnke [13] Re: The Truth Is... It's A Tower - Ledger - Don Ledger [44] Re: The Truth is Out ... 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 1 Larry Hatch Back Online From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 02:09:30 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:54:32 -0400 Subject: Larry Hatch Back Online Hello: Just a quick note: I have been incommunicado for 6 days due to ISP matters. If I missed something, that is why. I will respond to private messages as time allows. That comes to over 180 emails, so please be patient. Best - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 1 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:28:34 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:16:10 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:29:50 -0700 >Subject: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >SUBJECT: UFO Situation near Youngstown, OH >DATE: MIDNIGHT on Monday morning, Aug. 26, 2002 >Apparently something unusual may have taken place near >Youngstown, Ohio (Mahoning County) around 11:00 p.m. on Sunday >evening, August 25, 2002. The event lasted for over an hour and >concluded somewhere around 12:50 a.m. early Monday morning, >August 26. <snip> Hi, Kenny: I've check the positions of bright zero and first magnitude stars using the Cartes du Ciel program. Time Object Alt Azimuth 8-25/11 PM Moon 31deg 124deg Arcturus 16 281 Capella 3 26 Antares 8 224 8-26/00:50 Aldeberan 1.5 69 Arcturus had set Also checked the Jetstream at these websites: http://weather.unisys.com/archive/eta_init/0208/02082512.gif http://weather.unisys.com/archive/eta_init/0208/02082600.gif There were bright stars all over the place, close to the horizon, on a night when a cold front had just passed, creating unstable conditions, and with the jetstream moving overhead. These are typical situations of an unstable atmosphere. >Around the 11:00 p.m. time frame, an unusual object was >reportedly viewed to the west behind a home on Truesdale Avenue >in Youngstown, Ohio. This could have been Arcturus, in the West North West. <snip> >"...her husband was still in the company of a Youngstown, Ohio >police officer - in separate vehicles - pursuing the UFO. Its >position, formerly in a western direction from their first point >of observation, is now viewed in a northeastern direction from >their vantage point at Bruce and Sheehigh Avenues. Capella was not visible at 26 degrees azimuth from this new location. >"My husband said they are standing out there looking at it now," >she said, "and they can see something yellow around it. It has >red and green lights and it's definitely nothing anyone has seen >before." A classic description of atmospheric scintillation. <snip> >Around 12:34 a.m. I made contact with the primary witness, an >associate minister at a Youngstown, Ohio church, by his cell- >phone he informed that he was presently parked in a parking lot >behind a grade school where it was 'pitch black' and where he >had an excellent view of the object which, as of around 12:34 >a.m., was still under his observation. >He said that he had been watching the object in comparison with >other stars and notes that the movement is different. Arcturus had now set and from this different position, he now saw other twinkling stars at low altitudes. >He said the object had 'moved to the left' at one point and >occupied several places in the sky during the past hour. >"It was in the southwestern sky, He was probably now looking at Antares. >then it moved over to the northeastern part of the sky," he said. Capella had just risen at Az 26. >"When the policeman and news person got there, the object was >in the west. An hour later it was in the north sky, now it is in >the east sky." >He described the object as having a green and red light with a >yellow 'rotating' light. And was exhibiting classic atmospheric scintillation effects. <snip> <The primary witness informs that earlier, something sensational >happened. "While were all looking at this thing, 4, 5, 6 or 7 >white lights could be seen 'going to it.' This was absolutely >amazing." >The witness was asked for greater clarification of this and he >said that the white lights appeared, from his vantage point, to >appear in a 'V' shaped pattern above the main object, then the >white lights 'went downward and into' the main object. Probably a scintillation effect. Stars will sometimes appear to split into two or more and then return. They also can appear to glisten. <snip> >He then said that after leaving the neighborhood minutes >earlier, he and the officer drove around and met up again at >another location where the object was then in the northern part >of the sky. They now probably had a view of Capella in the NNE, which twinkled, convincing them that the UFO had moved. Possibly they could not see the earlier star from this location. <snip> >The witness then broke in as we spoke: "The object is moving up >as we speak," he said, "it just went up a bit." It could be autokinetic motion of the eye, or simply that Capella had risen noticeably above the horizon in the few minutes. >After introductions, Mr. Simon said directly: "We only received >one call about this and did send an officer out. There was no >sign of any object in the sky at the time he arrived there." <snip> >Stephens said there were 5 or 6 people standing around when he >arrived. He described the object as an 'unusual light.' I asked >if he felt confident the object was not a star and he said "No, >I am not confidant. I have no idea what this is so it could be >anything." >I asked the reporter if he saw the 5 to 7 'white lights' drawn >to the main object and he informed that he did not see this. >Mr. Stephens said that at the present time the object was not >visible as clouds have obscured it. This could have been the reason they thought the UFO was moving around the sky. >After our previous discussion a few hours earlier he went back >to the school yard but the object was apparently gone at that >time. Clouds? <snip> >Our discussion went back to a description of the >object, which he said was clearly some sort of 'craft.' >He said this object had a red light situated directly >underneath it with a green light on its left side from >his perspective at an angle 45 degree angle down. >Circling around the center of the round object, like >the equator around a globe, were bright yellow lights >that he said were comparable to mini 'tracer' lights >that blinked in a circle. Scintillation. <snip> >The wife of the primary witness said she has recorded video of >the object. She also said that it is 'not coming out good' and >difficult to see. The primary claimant said he doesn't think the >5 or so 'white lights' which supposedly went 'into' the main >object was caught on video, but hasn't checked as of yet.> Stars are difficult to record with a normal videocam not on a tripod or on a manual setting. Whatever these were, it is evidence that the UFOs were probably not as bright as Venus >One curious aspect of this story is how the Youngstown police >department soundly informs that their officer did NOT see >anything while at the same time the primary witness AND the >reporter affirm that the officer DID see and observe this same >object with them in their company. But maybe he thought that he was only watching stars, not a UFO! >Also for the record, it should be noted that this primary >claimant is the one who reported the odd event taking place on >Rt. 11 in Trumbull County several weeks ago as per a message by >Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center posted on >the Current Encounters discussion forum. Mr. Davenport did send >me contact info for this person and I did speak with him at >length previously, sending a copy of my report on our >conversation directly to Mr. Davenport. I was impressed by the >sincerity of the witness and his concern for the answer to what >he reportedly saw. Since the event several weeks ago he has >apparently been alert for other curious activity and so was the >one to first take note of the object sighted before midnight. A repeater who was keeping an eye out for UFOs found some, which at least one other witness said that he did not see, which had disappeared later after clouds came in. I think that this one was do to enthusiasm and changing weather. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 1 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:28:34 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:02:11 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:29:50 -0700 >Subject: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >SUBJECT: UFO Situation near Youngstown, OH >DATE: MIDNIGHT on Monday morning, Aug. 26, 2002 >Apparently something unusual may have taken place near >Youngstown, Ohio (Mahoning County) around 11:00 p.m. on Sunday >evening, August 25, 2002. The event lasted for over an hour and >concluded somewhere around 12:50 a.m. early Monday morning, >August 26. <snip> Hi, Kenny: I've check the positions of bright zero and first magnitude stars using the Cartes du Ciel program. Time Object Alt Azimuth 8-25/11 PM Moon 31deg 124deg Arcturus 16 281 Capella 3 26 Antares 8 224 8-26/00:50 Aldeberan 1.5 69 Arcturus had set Also checked the Jetstream at these websites: http://weather.unisys.com/archive/eta_init/0208/02082512.gif http://weather.unisys.com/archive/eta_init/0208/02082600.gif There were bright stars all over the place, close to the horizon, on a night when a cold front had just passed, creating unstable conditions, and with the jetstream moving overhead. These are typical situations of an unstable atmosphere. >Around the 11:00 p.m. time frame, an unusual object was >reportedly viewed to the west behind a home on Truesdale Avenue >in Youngstown, Ohio. This could have been Arcturus, in the West North West. <snip> >"...her husband was still in the company of a Youngstown, Ohio >police officer - in separate vehicles - pursuing the UFO. Its >position, formerly in a western direction from their first point >of observation, is now viewed in a northeastern direction from >their vantage point at Bruce and Sheehigh Avenues. Capella was not visible at 26 degrees azimuth from this new location. >"My husband said they are standing out there looking at it now," >she said, "and they can see something yellow around it. It has >red and green lights and it's definitely nothing anyone has seen >before." A classic description of atmospheric scintillation. <snip> >Around 12:34 a.m. I made contact with the primary witness, an >associate minister at a Youngstown, Ohio church, by his cell- >phone he informed that he was presently parked in a parking lot >behind a grade school where it was 'pitch black' and where he >had an excellent view of the object which, as of around 12:34 >a.m., was still under his observation. >He said that he had been watching the object in comparison with >other stars and notes that the movement is different. Arcturus had now set and from this different position, he now saw other twinkling stars at low altitudes. >He said the object had 'moved to the left' at one point and >occupied several places in the sky during the past hour. >"It was in the southwestern sky, He was probably now looking at Antares. >then it moved over to the northeastern part of the sky," he said. Capella had just risen at Az 26. >"When the policeman and news person got there, the object was >in the west. An hour later it was in the north sky, now it is in >the east sky." >He described the object as having a green and red light with a >yellow 'rotating' light. And was exhibiting classic atmospheric scintillation effects. <snip> <The primary witness informs that earlier, something sensational >happened. "While were all looking at this thing, 4, 5, 6 or 7 >white lights could be seen 'going to it.' This was absolutely >amazing." >The witness was asked for greater clarification of this and he >said that the white lights appeared, from his vantage point, to >appear in a 'V' shaped pattern above the main object, then the >white lights 'went downward and into' the main object. Probably a scintillation effect. Stars will sometimes appear to split into two or more and then return. They also can appear to glisten. <snip> >He then said that after leaving the neighborhood minutes >earlier, he and the officer drove around and met up again at >another location where the object was then in the northern part >of the sky. They now probably had a view of Capella in the NNE, which twinkled, convincing them that the UFO had moved. Possibly they could not see the earlier star from this location. <snip> >The witness then broke in as we spoke: "The object is moving up >as we speak," he said, "it just went up a bit." It could be autokinetic motion of the eye, or simply that Capella had risen noticeably above the horizon in the few minutes. >After introductions, Mr. Simon said directly: "We only received >one call about this and did send an officer out. There was no >sign of any object in the sky at the time he arrived there." <snip> >Stephens said there were 5 or 6 people standing around when he >arrived. He described the object as an 'unusual light.' I asked >if he felt confident the object was not a star and he said "No, >I am not confidant. I have no idea what this is so it could be >anything." >I asked the reporter if he saw the 5 to 7 'white lights' drawn >to the main object and he informed that he did not see this. >Mr. Stephens said that at the present time the object was not >visible as clouds have obscured it. This could have been the reason they thought the UFO was moving around the sky. >After our previous discussion a few hours earlier he went back >to the school yard but the object was apparently gone at that >time. Clouds? <snip> >Our discussion went back to a description of the >object, which he said was clearly some sort of 'craft.' >He said this object had a red light situated directly >underneath it with a green light on its left side from >his perspective at an angle 45 degree angle down. >Circling around the center of the round object, like >the equator around a globe, were bright yellow lights >that he said were comparable to mini 'tracer' lights >that blinked in a circle. Scintillation. <snip> >The wife of the primary witness said she has recorded video of >the object. She also said that it is 'not coming out good' and >difficult to see. The primary claimant said he doesn't think the >5 or so 'white lights' which supposedly went 'into' the main >object was caught on video, but hasn't checked as of yet.> Stars are difficult to record with a normal videocam not on a tripod or on a manual setting. Whatever these were, it is evidence that the UFOs were probably not as bright as Venus >One curious aspect of this story is how the Youngstown police >department soundly informs that their officer did NOT see >anything while at the same time the primary witness AND the >reporter affirm that the officer DID see and observe this same >object with them in their company. But maybe he thought that he was only watching stars, not a UFO! >Also for the record, it should be noted that this primary >claimant is the one who reported the odd event taking place on >Rt. 11 in Trumbull County several weeks ago as per a message by >Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center posted on >the Current Encounters discussion forum. Mr. Davenport did send >me contact info for this person and I did speak with him at >length previously, sending a copy of my report on our >conversation directly to Mr. Davenport. I was impressed by the >sincerity of the witness and his concern for the answer to what >he reportedly saw. Since the event several weeks ago he has >apparently been alert for other curious activity and so was the >one to first take note of the object sighted before midnight. A repeater who was keeping an eye out for UFOs found some, which at least one other witness said that he did not see, which had disappeared later after clouds came in. I think that this one was do to enthusiasm and changing weather. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:29:59 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:05:23 -0400 Subject: UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces Source: The Straits Times - Singapore http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,1870,141049,00.html Stig *** SEPT 2, 2002 That's Life in China UFOs SIGHTED IN 8 PROVINCES UNIDENTIFIED flying objects (UFOs) were sighted simultaneously in eight Chinese provinces last Wednesday. Witnesses saw a bright, round object in the north-east. It became bigger and then disappeared, said Hongkong's Ming Pao Daily News. <snip> Copyright @ 2002 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:29:59 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:18:23 -0400 Subject: UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces Source: The Straits Times - Singapore http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,1870,141049,00.html Stig *** SEPT 2, 2002 That's Life in China UFOs SIGHTED IN 8 PROVINCES UNIDENTIFIED flying objects (UFOs) were sighted simultaneously in eight Chinese provinces last Wednesday. Witnesses saw a bright, round object in the north-east. It became bigger and then disappeared, said Hongkong's Ming Pao Daily News. <snip> Copyright @ 2002 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Mick Jagger An Alien Magnet? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:40:24 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:45:14 -0400 Subject: Mick Jagger An Alien Magnet? Source: Yahoo Entertainment http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/ps/20020901/103087365501.html Stig *** Gossip Columns - Page Six Flying Saucers Follow Mick By Richard Johnson, Page Six Sun Sep 01, 2:47 AM ET ** Is Mick Jagger an alien magnet? UFO specialist Mike Luckman thinks so. "UFOs seem to follow Mick," Luckman tells PAGE SIX. "Not only did he and his friend Marianne Faithful see a rare, cigar-shaped mother ship while camping at Glastonbury Tor in England in 1968, but during that period, Mick kept setting off a UFO alarm whenever he left one of his estates in England," the author of "Close Encounters of a Musical Kind," (Pocket Books) said. At the Rolling Stones' notorious 1969 concert in Altamont, Calif., one UFO was even caught on tape. "You can see the crowd turning away from the stage and looking up at the sky . . . and I have quite a few reports of UFOs showing up at other concerts. The music seems to attract them," Luckman adds. Luckman is trying to cash in on music and aliens by producing a "Signal to Space: Countdown to Contact" concert next year at a yet-to-be- named outdoor amphitheater. "It is not inconceivable that we may get a message! that will prove once and for all that we are not alone in the universe," he said. No word yet on whether the Stones will play at the extraterrestrial bash. ** Copyright =A9 Yahoo! and PageSix.com. Pagesix.com and Page 6 are trademarks of NYP Holdings, Inc. Copyright 2002 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 UFOs Back In Headlines From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 06:00:13 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:03:41 -0400 Subject: UFOs Back In Headlines Source: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/2002/09/01/I= N86288.DTL Stig *** UFOS Getting Back to Paranormal Everything changed? Not for the space aliens! Ken Layne Sunday, September 1, 2002 =A92002 San Francisco Chronicle. ** America was a pretty somber place in the months after Sept. 11. Nothing seemed to prove this more than the scarcity of post- attack UFO reports and other paranormal tales in the nation's media. In the days following the attacks, pop culture experts announced that everything had changed. No more celebrity worship, fad diets, Internet mania or Britney Spears obsessions. We were now a serious nation, and we would deal with the crisis in a serious manner. Vanity Fair Editor Graydon Carter solemnly proclaimed the death of all things frivolous. Even though "Osama Yo Mama" T-shirts were already on sale when Carter made his pronouncement, America was a pretty somber place in the months after Sept. 11. Where were the articles about alien spaceships? What happened to Bigfoot? On the entertainment front, the "X-Files" was canceled, and Steven Spielberg's re-release of "E.T." did lousy business. In a piece I wrote after the attacks, I concluded that even space monsters must be spooked by the horrible hijackings. Some 300 earnest UFO nuts sent in passionate e-mails, explaining that the truth was still out there -- it was just being hidden by the government-controlled media. If so, the secret policy must have changed, because this year the UFOs are back. Space-critter movies -- "Men in Black II" and "Signs" -- did great at the box office. Strange lights were chased by F-16s over the nation's capital in July. The Associated Press says 1,124 UFO sightings have been logged at the National UFO Reporting Center this year alone. There were hundreds of press reports about strange happenings this year. A small sample follows. Just three days into the new year, the Great Falls Tribune of Montana reported a new wave of cattle mutilations. Some 20 years ago, ranchers around Conrad, Mont., discovered many of their cows had been slaughtered in a perplexing manner. This year, the mutilations began anew. Rancher Everett King found one of his critters dead -- with a missing ear, eye and reproductive system. "Predators won't eat it," King said of the 2-month-old carcass. About a dozen cattle have been executed this year in a similar surgical fashion, the paper said. Argentine cattlemen also suffered a wave of mutilations in 2002, according to Latin American news agency EFE. In Bloomington, Ind., the Herald-Times reported a bizarre creature in February. The 5-foot-tall shaggy beast was allegedly seen by many witnesses in the Hoosier National Forest's Hardin Ridge Recreation Area. "State wildlife biologists suggested the creature may have been a nonnative animal that somehow ended up in the forest," according to AP. Of the many theories offered -- space alien, Bigfoot, mutant wildcat -- one witness had a less mystical explanation: a pair of emus had escaped from an area farm. Summer beachcombers came across a strange silver orb floating off South Carolina's Isle of Palms, ABC News reported on June 14. The huge sphere, which weighed several hundred pounds, eventually washed ashore and was investigated by police and the Air Force bomb squad. The mystery ball was finally trucked off to Isle of Palms' public works department, and eventually sent to the scrap yard. Officials had no explanation. Unknown aircraft buzzing the nation's capital? Air Force fighters chasing mysterious radar blips? In the post-Sept. 11 world, such a violation of restricted airspace should've caused a nationwide freakout, right? Hardly. Just after midnight on July 26, Andrews Air Force Base scrambled F-16s over the Washington suburbs in pursuit of a phantom dot seen on military radar screens. One witness in the nearby Maryland town of Waldorf claimed he saw the fighters chase a swift-moving blue orb. Beneath the headline, "F-16s Pursue Unknown Craft Over Region," the Washington Post quoted Renny Rogers: "It was this object, this light-blue object, traveling at a phenomenal rate of speed. "This Air Force jet was right behind it, chasing it, but the object was just leaving him in the dust. I told my neighbor, 'I think those jets are chasing a UFO.'" Maj. Douglas Martin of the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado said radar detected "a track of interest," but fighter pilots saw nothing unusual in the sky. A week earlier, the Post had noted an eerily similar incident from July 1952, when controllers at National Airport saw swarms of mysterious dots on radar. F-94 fighters were scrambled, but the blips vanished. Once the jets were on the ground, the blips appeared again. More F-94s took to the skies. This time the pilots chased "strange lights" across the sky. While the 1952 UFO flap was the big story of that long-ago summer, this year's outrage faded into obscurity in two days. Forget the terrorists . . . maybe it's time to ask if the aliens have won. Los Angeles-based freelance writer Ken Layne is the author of "Dot.Con" and the upcoming "Space Critters." ** =A92002 San Francisco Chronicle. Page D - 2
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: Physical Evidence - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:16:03 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:05:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Physical Evidence - Speiser Sorry for the sporadic nature of my replies... my wife has decided to become as big a computer nerd as I am, and so it takes me a while to get to some of these... >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Physical Evidence >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:54:13 -0300 >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:59:09 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Physical Evidence >I'm happy with the first question. If any UFOs are ET >spacecraft, the first queston will eventually lead us to that >answer. The beauty of it is, if no UFOs are ET spacecraft, the >first question will lead to the correct answer faster than the >second. >>>Because most people are not 7' tall, does not mean that no >>>person is 7' tall. >>Sorry, Stan, not an apt analogy. This could be applied to 12' >>tall persons as well. >I know that there are people that are seven feet tall. Thus the >fact that most people are not... which is certainly true, does >not mean that no one is 7' tall. I do not know anybody who is >12' tall, do you? Maybe I'm missing the point of your analogy. Certainly we know that 7' tall people exist. We do not know for certain that UFOs are ET spacecraft = the 12' tall person. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: UFO Crashes In Angola - Lemire From: Todd Lemire <tlemire@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:50:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:15:14 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Crashes In Angola - Lemire >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 04:25:37 +0200 >Subject: UFO Crashes In Angola >Source: AFP via iafrica.com >http://www.iafrica.com/pls/procs/iac.page?p_t1=2&p_t2=2&p_t3=0&p_t4=0&p_dynami c=YP&p_content_id=147085&p_site_id=2 >Stig >ANGOLA >UFO crashes to the ground in Angola >Posted Thu, 22 Aug 2002 Stig and other Listers, This was no UFO! See here: http://www.reentrynews.com/recovered.html Scroll down to item #54 - diameter ~0.5 m, mass ~10 kg Probably debris from 3rd stage of Ariane 4 booster used to launch Atlantic Bird 2 satellite on 25 Sep 2001. Stage reentered 11 August 2002. Todd Lemire http://www.michiganufos.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 New Crop-Glyph? From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:08:54 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:35:06 -0400 Subject: New Crop-Glyph? Hi - On Sat-Sun Aug 31-Sep 1's Coast to Coast AM, Barbara Simpson host, a caller mentioned a "new" crop-glyph which sounded as if it was heavily pixellated, meaning like a halftone newspaper photo, as opposed to a simple circle, and intended to be viewed from higher up than simple 'circles'. Such a crop-glyph (pixellated image) appeared in England last year and it showed a face. The caller seemed to be saying this new glyph showed a more 'alien' face and "disk" (craft?). Barbara didn't know of this 'latest' glyph, and did not pursue the issue with the caller. Anyone know if there is a major new glyph meeting this description somewhere? Eleanor White
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:36:00 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:12:44 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:29:50 -0700 >Subject: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 <snip> >"...her husband was still in the company of a Youngstown, Ohio >police officer - in separate vehicles - pursuing the UFO. Its >position, formerly in a western direction from their first point >of observation, is now viewed in a northeastern direction from >their vantage point at Bruce and Sheehigh Avenues. Kenny: Oops. I made a mistake, I should have said, Capella was _now_ visible at 26 degrees azimuth from this new location. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Music Companies Cash In On UFO Scare From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:40:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:40:12 -0400 Subject: Music Companies Cash In On UFO Scare http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_662461.html?menu=news.latestheadlines Music Companies Cash In On UFO Scare Music companies in India are cashing in on a recent UFO scare. An album of ballads has been released about the incidents in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. Delhi-based music company T-Series says the album is intended as a public service. At least seven people are believed to have died following attacks which have been blamed on UFOs, insects and lightning. The Hindustan Times reports T-Series employed local artistes to sing ballads woven around the exploits of the mysterious flying spheres, dubbed Muhnochva or Face Scratchers. One song reportedly accuses the Face Scratcher of hatching a conspiracy to delay the monsoons while keeping its own "batteries" safe from the rains. Another says it is Pakistan's ultimate "terror" weapon to bring India to its knees. Pradeep Gangul, vice-president of T-Series, said: "In rural areas where literacy and access to newspapers are limited, our cassettes are the equivalent of audio news. Spreading the word about Muhnochva is actually a form of public service." "The lyrics are based entirely on newspaper clippings. No attempt has been made to embellish the original accounts with any additions of our own. In fact we were encouraged to versify the tales of Muhnochva by the overwhelming response that our earlier audio releases on the ...attack on the World Trade Centre received. " The success of the T-series album has inspired other local singers to follow suit. Story filed: 16:20 Monday 2nd September 2002 Thanks to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Mantell Peer Review Prep From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:47:30 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:19:18 -0400 Subject: Mantell Peer Review Prep Good Morning, All - For those interested, the research into the Mantell case is nearly completed. I have assembled, from various sources, the relevant documents, found those that Dick Hall mentioned (that are, in fact also in the Blue Book files... I don't know why there was a note on them that suggested they weren't) and realized that the reports from Clinton County and from Lockbourne are relevant to the discussion. I now know the difference between anoxia and hypoxia (and for those of you who watched the report on the investigation into the death of Payne Stewart that was on the Discovery Channel on Sunday... it wasn't hypoxia but anoxia, the difference being that anoxia refers to reduced oxygen to the various organs and hypoxia refers to reduced blood flow that results in reduced oxygen.) I hope to have everything put together in the near future but I have a book due shortly (no, it's science fiction... Oh my God, Randle writes science fiction) and that has to take precedence since the publisher is paying for it. At this point it really is only a question of getting everything down so that I can post the results and we can begin the peer review process. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Man Claimed To Be Alien, Wife Testifies From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:42:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:42:41 -0400 Subject: Man Claimed To Be Alien, Wife Testifies http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-alien01.html Man Claimed To Be Alien, Wife Testifies September 1, 2002 BY DAN ROZEK STAFF REPORTER David Teran, on trial for murder in the death of a onetime Proviso East High School basketball star, calmly confessed that he gunned down a stranger in an Addison parking lot because he believed the killing would release an "alien enzyme" in his body, allowing him to board a spaceship coming to pluck him off Earth, his ex-wife testified Friday. "He talked about having an alien enzyme that needs to be released before the world ends," said Tess Burke, who divorced Teran about a year before the 1998 killing. "I really thought he had lost his mind." Teran, 39, a former truck driver with a long history of schizophrenia and other mental illness, is on trial for the apparently random slaying of 41-year-old Roderick W. Floyd of Maywood, a former basketball star, outside the Addison moving company where Floyd worked as a truck driver. At first, authorities say Teran made bizarre claims to authorities that he was an alien being who had to kill someone to prepare himself to leave Earth before the planet was destroyed. His attorneys are expected to call a psychiatrist to testify that Teran was insane Aug. 28, 1998, when he shot Floyd, who had played for Proviso East's 1974 state championship team. Floyd died after being shot at least five times. Teran was found mentally competent to stand trial in May, clearing the way for his murder trial to begin this week in DuPage County Circuit Court. While the case had been delayed by long hearings about Teran's mental condition, DuPage County prosecutors have insisted that Teran was sane at the time of the killing. A few days after Floyd's murder, Teran was riding in a car with his ex-wife. She testified Friday that he told her he had killed someone to prepare his body for a transformation that would allow him and their three children to board an alien spacecraft that was coming for them before the world would end, sometime before Sept. 26, 1998. Burke turned Teran in after that conversation. She said he was clear about many details of the killing, explaining to her where the killing took place and recounting what Floyd said just before he was shot: "What did I ever do to you?" She said her former husband didn't want her to come with them because she was a lower life form. Thanks to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Experts Say UFO Photo Is A Fake From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:48:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:48:34 -0400 Subject: Experts Say UFO Photo Is A Fake http://www.courier.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=85497&command=displayContent&sou rceNode=82258&contentPK=2482751 Experts Say UFO Photo Is A Fake 17:00 - 30 August 2002 The mysterious image of an object floating over the skies of Tonbridge has been quashed by UFO experts who are convinced the picture is a fake. The photograph was taken by a Tonbridge resident earlier this summer and caught the attention of UFO Monitors East Kent researcher Chris Rolfe after being published in the Kent and Sussex Courier. Excited by the potentially massive discovery he alerted the editor of UFO magazine because he thought the picture bore a remarkable resemblance to an unexplained image taken in America more than 50 years ago. However, following detailed analysis of the Tonbridge image which shows a silver disc-like object with a small turret, experts decided all the evidence pointed to it being a fake. UFO magazine researcher Russel Callaghan said: "We are 95 per cent sure the picture is not genuine. There is a faint line running above the object which appears to be suspended from it in the turret area." Experts believe the picture was taken on either a cheap throw- away camera or a fixed focus 35mm as the foreground is not in sharp focus while the image is. Mr Callaghan said: "There also appears to be a shadow which suggests the object could be a two dimensional image or that the photograph was taken in front of glass." He added: "On the basis of all this evidence I believe the picture is a fake and the object could be a small model UFO or blimp without the motor attached." Mr Rolfe said: "Obviously we are disappointed it is not genuine." Thanks to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - McGonagle From: Joe McGonagle <joe@ufology.org.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:53:09 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:26:33 -0400 Subject: Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - McGonagle >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 06:00:13 +0200 >Subject: UFOs Back In Headlines Hello List/Errol, Thanks for forwarding the article, Stig. I think that the only ufological impact that 9/11 had was the stimulation of more ridiculous Alien/Government conspiracy theories, and some people trying to make a fast buck out of it or gain some personal kudos by trying to tie the event in with UFO activity. UFO activity has always experienced peaks and troughs, and a single year is too short to judge current levels by. Perhaps the event also showed how trivial some of the more ridiculous speculation/theories are when confronted with the brutal reality of something here and now. I daresay that the disclosure project will have lost out on some media attention, for instance. Cheers, Joe
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: New Crop-Glyph? - Hamilton From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:31:53 UT Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:29:40 -0400 Subject: Re: New Crop-Glyph? - Hamilton >From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:08:54 +0000 >Subject: New Crop-Glyph? >On Sat-Sun Aug 31-Sep 1's Coast to Coast AM, Barbara Simpson >host, a caller mentioned a "new" crop-glyph which sounded as if >it was heavily pixellated, meaning like a halftone newspaper >photo, as opposed to a simple circle, and intended to be viewed >from higher up than simple 'circles'. >Such a crop-glyph (pixellated image) appeared in England last >year and it showed a face. >The caller seemed to be saying this new glyph showed a more >'alien' face and "disk" (craft?). >Barbara didn't know of this 'latest' glyph, and did not pursue >the issue with the caller. >Anyone know if there is a major new glyph meeting this >description somewhere? Eleanor, this one has been the talk of the town on my List. See reports on Linda Howe's site at: http://www.earthfiles.com/headlines.cfm?category=Headline+News The coded disc is of real interest. Bill Hamilton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Magonia Supplement No. 40 From: John Harney <magonia@harneyj.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:11:10 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:36:04 -0400 Subject: Magonia Supplement No. 40 MAGONIA Supplement No. 40 2 September 2002 Editor: John Harney EDITORIAL This newsletter was originally published monthly, but only a few people took advantage of this facility to air their views on UFOs and related topics, so it is now published whenever sufficient material is available. A few copies are printed and sent to those who send letters and articles, or who exchange similar publications. All issues are available on the Magonia web site. Also, a plain-text version is usually posted on UFO UpDates. Letters and articles are welcome, as are suitable illustrations, which can be printed in monochrome in the printed edition or can appear in colour on the web site. If enough suitable material is forthcoming we can return to publishing monthly or even more often. LITERARY CRITICISM Richard M. Dolan. UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Cover-up 1941-1973, Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Charlottesville, Virginia, 2002. $15.95 This is a revised edition of a book first published in 2000. The blurb describes the author as a "gifted historian", which suggests that this work is an objective, scholarly history of American ufology. It is certainly not objective. Dolan is a great admirer of the work of Donald Keyhoe, and one of his aims is to rehabilitate his reputation among ufologists or, at least, Serious Ufologists, as Jim Moseley calls them. Of course, the book is not written in the Keyhoe style, but more in the style of David Jacobs's The UFO Controversy in America, which it in many ways resembles, particularly in its support for the ETH and general credulity. The most disturbing aspect of the book is the impression given by the author that he regards one source as being as good as another. In support of his thesis that the US government is concealing the truth about incursions by aliens from space, he quotes from writers ranging from the reliable and scrupulously honest to the hucksters and pathological liars, and the majority to be found between these two extremes. One example is an account of a dramatic encounter of an American plane with foo fighters over the Pacific in August 1945. "The navigational needles went wild, the left engine faltered and spurted oil, the plane lost altitude, and the crew prepared to ditch. Then, in a close formation, the objects faded into a cloud bank. At that moment, the plane's engines restarted, and the crew safely flew on. One of the plane's passengers was future UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield." Of course there were some puzzling foo fighter incidents, but surely such a report requires independent confirmation before it can be accepted as genuine, especially as it comes from someone known for publishing wild UFO tales from anonymous sources. It has long been a tradition among writers of sensationalist UFO literature to attribute the deaths of ufologists or persons connected, or imagined to be connected, with official UFO investigations to the activities of government agencies, or even to the UFOs themselves. Incredibly, Dolan plays this game in a book which purports to be the first part of a serious history of the topic. Some writers consider the death of US Defense Secretary James Forrestal after leaving office in 1949 to be mysterious. They do not accept the official story that he committed suicide by jumping from a window at Bethesda Naval Hospital where he was being treated for a mental breakdown. They think he was pushed out of the window. This may or may not be true but, you might ask, what has it got to do with UFOs? Dolan devotes six pages to a discussion of the circumstances surrounding Forrestal's death and tries to justify this by resorting to the absurd speculations indulged in by the writers of ufological pot- boilers. "In the first place, Forrestal's position within the defense community made him de facto a key player in the formulation of UFO policy. The problem was of great importance to people high up the national security food chain: we can infer that Forrestal, too, had an interest, even though the official records and biographers of Forrestal are silent about UFOs." Dolan speculates that perhaps Forrestal did commit suicide because he had learned the Dreadful Truth about UFOs. "An explanation centring on the UFO phenomenon accounts better than most for the complete unhinging of a successful and brilliant individual, and more importantly, the need to silence someone who could no longer be trusted. Did Forrestal learn a truth about UFOs that contributed to his breakdown." Dolan does not give us a shred of evidence that Forrestal was bothered about, or even interested in, UFO reports, either professionally or otherwise. He is also suspicious about the death of Edward Ruppelt. This is because he had become increasingly sceptical about UFOs since leaving Project Blue Book and had died of a heart attack at the early age of 37, after publishing a revision of his book The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects with three new chapters debunking UFOs added to it. Dolan accepts the line that pressure was put on Ruppelt to make sceptical noises about UFOs, to the extent that he developed serious heart trouble. He criticises Jerome Clark for not being dismissive of the explanation given by Ruppelt's widow that he became disillusioned about UFOs as a result of continued contact with Blue Book personnel and exposure to the contactee movement of southern California. Indeed, whenever Dolan mentions Clark he usually criticises him for being too sceptical! Then there was the death of Dr James McDonald. Most ufologists believe he committed suicide, for personal rather than ufological reasons, including that notorious sceptic Jerome Clark. Dolan, though, considers that he must have been a nuisance to those who were desperately attempting to conceal the UFO evidence, so he could have been murdered. "The how part was really no matter at all. By the early 1970s, there were already means available to alter the moods of unsuspecting persons. A pocket-sized transmitter generating electromagnetic (EM) energy at less than 100 milliwatts could do the job." Where important UFO reports are concerned, Dolan repeatedly rubbishes official explanations. Of course some of these explantions were obviously wrong, but there were some cases which were properly investigated and solved. For example, the radar/visual incident of August 1953 at Rapid City, South Dakota, was investigated by Hynek, who gave a perfectly logical, if not very simple, explanation. Dolan, however, prefers Ruppelt's failure to explain it and gives no details of Hynek's analysis. This sort of thing is one of the main failings of the book.The author apparently has no knowledge of, or interest in, scientific and technical matters. He thus evaluates reports on the basis of choosing those he wants to believe as the best ones. He also shows no interest in the sociological and psychological factors which generate many (but not all) UFO reports, and the distortions of perception which can occur when witnesses do not know what they are looking at. He doesn't even mention the psychosocial hypothesis, and gives his readers only two choices as to what UFOs might be--secret military aircraft or extraterrestrial spacecraft. He rejects the first alternative leaving only the second, all other possibilities apparently not being worth discussing. Like most ETH supporters, Dolan believes that the US government (and presumably all other governments) are keeping the Truth about UFOs secret. "When UFO skeptics claim that hiding something as significant as alien visitation is impossible, they should study some of the secrets that were kept for many, many years." What he doesn't tell us is that these secrets were about things over which government agencies had control, such as the Manhattan Project which he gives as an example. Whatever UFOs might be, it is generally agreed that the US government, and other governments, have no control over them. They can appear anywhere at any time. How, then, can they be kept secret? This is a question always dodged by the believers. This book is yet another example of American ufology stuck firmly in the 1950s, along with the shades of people like Donald Keyhoe and Frank Edwards. John Harney Jenny Randles. Supernatural Pennines. Hale, 2002. =A318.99 Another typical Jenny Randles curate's egg book, with interesting stories which remind us of how many weird things people report, by no means all (or even most) of which fit into any kind of conventional pigeon hole. Of course there must be some question as to whether these are special to what Jenny calls window areas, or whether you couldn't find just as many anywhere if you were prepared to devote the time and effort into looking for them. To be fair though, boring old Trafford seems to a pretty Fortean-free zone. Wild country places are obviously much more atmospheric - and photogenic as the excellent pictures show - than, say, Widnes on a wet Wednesday. My Brigantian heart wishes it was all true, however. We would have the real thing, while our English neighbours would have to make do with the commercialised tat of Glastonbury and the fading nostalgia of Warminster. Jenny thinks that some pretty unusual atmospheric phenomena are going on there, and that it is a pity that the atmosphere of true belief prevents scientists taking a look at them. Fine words, but the trouble is Jenny herself can't stop wittering on with pseudoscientific speculation about time warps and the like. Even worse is her re-raking up the corpse of poor old Zigmund Adamski to make a mystery where there is none, save that of human motivation. Why are paranormalists always their own worst enemies? Peter Rogerson Jay Rayner. Star Dust Falling: the story of the plane that vanished. Doubleday, 2002. =A312.99 On 2 August 1947, the British South American Airlines plane Star Dust disappered en route from Buenos Aires to Santiago. Its last message minutes before the landing time was routine, until it ended with the mysterious letters STENDEC spelled out in Morse three times. Then it disappeared. The story of the Star Dust became one of the classic unsolved mysteries of aviation, and the English writer Harold T. Wilkins in his book Flying Saucers From the Moon (a.k.a. Flying Saucers on the Attack), a massive potpourri of UFO and Fortean lore, introduced the story into the UFO corpus. "Who twice sent out that mysterious word Stendec? Did "something" intercept the plane, If so what was it?" he asked. Wilkins answered himself: "Suppose that it was one of these vast (interplanetary) craft which flashed out the mysterious code Stendec..... For what spot far out in space, for what world not ours was the word Stendec intended?" This haunting last message became emblematic of unnamable mystery, a hint of the absolute other for which there is neither word nor concept. As such it became, misspelled STENDEK, the title of a well known 1970's Spanish UFO magazine. It became associated with the mysterious fate of its confreres Star Tiger and Star Ariel, and assimilated into the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle, a continent's width away. In Argentina and Chile, another legend grew up over the plane, that of the treasure plane laden with gold bars, there for the taking for those who could brave the high snows. However, in 1998 the first wreckage of Star Dust was found in the high Andes, and in this book, Jay Rayner tells the full story of the crash and the expedition to recover wreckage and bodies. The story which emerges replaces awesome mystery with a very human story of arrogance, folly and greed, and what today would be called corporate manslaughter. It involved the world's most dangerous airline, British South American Airlines, and its presiding genius, Don Bennett, for whom the description psychopath doesn't seem too harsh. As his planes crashed right, left and centre, Bennett consoled himself with the thought that his losses were rather less than those of his war-time Pathfinder squadron on their raids over Germany! No gold, no aliens, and another Fortean classic into the bin. Or almost, for there is still STENDEC for which no solution has yet been found. Peter Rogerson Arthur J Ellison. Science and the Paranormal: altered states of reality. Floris Books, 2002. =A320.00 Arthur Ellison, who died shortly after completing this book, was for many years the most dominant figure in (some would say virtually dictator of) the Society for Psychical Research, and given the title, it might occur to a general reader that it will provide the latest scientific evidence on the paranormal, and its implication for science in general. Someone with a scientific background with little knowledge of psychical research but keeping an open mind on the subject, might in addition read it to see whether the subject is going to be worth studying. Both groups of readers are likely to be disappointed, for there is no real discussion of the scientific implications of alleged paranormal experiences; rather what one gets is Ellison's own experience and prejudices, all delivered in a tone in which credulity ("I have rarely met a fraudulent medium") mixes with considerable self satisfaction, and a constant refrain that the whole scientific community is much at fault for being out of step with Arthur Ellison and the SPR. The perceptive reader might come to the conclusion that Ellison himself is perhaps one of the 'shamanic personalities', discussed by James McClennon, who have all sorts of odd experiences, and are able to (at least temporarily) convince others that they have shared them. Rather than being passive observers of the various wonders described such people are part of the psychological nexus which generates them. Supporters of the paranormal seem to go in for diametrically opposed views on human perception, some seeing it as a perfect observing and recording apparatus; while some, like Ellison, seem to argue that the whole external world is an illusion. This seems to be the gist of Ellison's argument for idealism, arguing that our world is fashioned by our beliefs in some very fundemental sense. This must be true to some extent, in that our beliefs and expectations may strongly influence our perception of the world. But there are clear limits to this, for example scientific discoveries often turn out to be very surprising, counter-intuitive or downright unwelcome. Even more profoundly Ellison is quite unable to say how animals which do not have our elaborate verbal culture are able to fashion a coherent world. Furthermore, no matter what our beliefs may be there is no evidence of them allowing us to grow back a severed limb or bounce safely back up again after jumping off a 300-foot cliff. Indeed it struck me that Ellison's arguments were simply intellectually incoherent. For example, if the world is but an illusion then surely all the 'facts' of psychical research are as illusionary as everything else, so what is the point of getting steamed up about them? It is clear that psychical research, as much as electrical engineering, only makes sense as an activity if we assume that there is an external world out there which is in some sense or other modelled in our sensory experience. Peter Rogerson LETTERS Your editorial (No. 39) is certainly provocative, presumably intentionally. I can think of at least one American (Jerome Clark) who will take exception to it. On a related subject, when a sportsman persistently violates the rules or spirit of a game or sport (cricket, baseball, football, etc.) he is said to be 'bringing the game into disrepute'. Confining ourselves to the present, whom would you nominate as the champion for currently bringing ufology into disrepute? I would vote for Stephen Greer and his Disclosure Project. But there may be better candidates. This assumes that ufology is a reputable subject in the first place, of course. Christopher Allan, Stoke-on-Trent Martin Kottmeyer's piece on William Dudley Pelley omits the most important fact about him; he was America's answer to Roderick Spode and tried to set himself up as a would-be Fuhrer, with his Christian Patriot Silver Shirts in the 1930s, which led to his wartime indictment for treason. A gospel of love and peace from such a guy can never be anything but pure hypocrisy. George Hunt Williamson is generally believed to have worked for Pelley in the early 1950s, and many early New Age figures link back to the I AM cult of Guy Ballard who was a close associate of Pelley. Peter Rogerson, Manchester
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Bill Barry? From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:06:02 -0400 Subject: Bill Barry? Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? Is he contactable? Thanks, ==JJS=
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - Myers From: Royce J. Myers III - The Watchdog <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:48:50 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:07:52 -0400 Subject: Re: UFOs Back In Headlines - Myers >From: Joe McGonagle <joe@ufology.org.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:53:09 +0100 >Subject: Re: UFOs Back In Headlines >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 06:00:13 +0200 >>Subject: UFOs Back In Headlines >Hello List/Errol, >Thanks for forwarding the article, Stig. >I think that the only ufological impact that 9/11 had was the >stimulation of more ridiculous Alien/Government conspiracy >theories, and some people trying to make a fast buck out of it >or gain some personal kudos by trying to tie the event in with >UFO activity. Here's just a small sampling of the scum out there garnering 9/11 for their own twisted gain: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/shameless.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 MUFON Fall Symposium October 5th, 2002 From: Jim Kelly <Azredant@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:19:51 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 18:49:31 -0400 Subject: MUFON Fall Symposium October 5th, 2002 For those of you interested, here is a link to our symposium in Phoenix on October 5th, 2002. We have Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Albert Taylor, and Constance Clear. www.mufonarizona.org Best, Jim Kelly
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Archive Top 20 'Reads' 08-02 From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:15:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:15:28 -0400 Subject: Archive Top 20 'Reads' 08-02 This list compiled from stats generated by Analog 5.22 website log analyser - the [numbers] represent reads..... 1 Bob Lazar - True or False? Glenn Campbell - [1799] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jun/m22-012.shtml 2 Argentina: Large UFO Causes Ground Effects Scott Corrales - [544] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jul/m24-019.shtml 3 UFO UpDates Off-line Until August 29 ebk - [401] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m17-013.shtml 4 Of Flying Wings & Hover Cars ebk - [371] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/aug/m03-008.shtml 5 New 'Alien Face' Crop Formation - Analysis Dave Haith - [370] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m17-010.shtml 6 'Bad Astronomy': Very Bad Indeed? Chris Rutkowski - [302] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/apr/m05-017.shtml 7 Of Sociopaths & Conspiracy Alfred Lehmberg - [288] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2001/feb/m07-003.shtml 8 Baffling Crop Formations In Cache, Utah Stig Agermose - [284] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/jul/m24-019.shtml 9 Russian Scientist: Government Knows About UFO Bases Stig Agermose - [266] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m17-004.shtml 10 Mallorca: Undersea UFO Base Blamed For Mysterious Noises Luis R. Gonzalez - [266] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m06-032.shtml 11 Secret 1970 NASA Report On UFOs Outside Apollo Stig Agermose - [246] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m07-002.shtml 12 Weekly Filer's Files - #10-2002 George Filer - [245] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/mar/m06-023.shtml 13 Draft Of Top Secret UFO Memo Now Public Grant Cameron - [243] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m10-026.shtml 14 NASA - Response To FOX-TV's 'Moon Conspiracy' ebk [243] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2001/feb/m16-007.shtml 15 Indian Scientist 'Solves' Mystery Of UFOs 'That Claw Faces' Stig Agermose - [2390 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m15-025.shtml 16 Roswell Proof Website Launched David Rudiak [232] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m04-005.shtml 17 'Jane's' Editor: US Working On Nazi Anti-Gravity Stig Agermose [219] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m05-005.shtml 18 Russian Scientist: Government Knows About UFO Bases Stig Agermose [212] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m17-005.shtml 19 TorStar - 'The Truth Is Out There' ebk - [209] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m17-009.shtml 20 F-16 Scramble - NORAD Follow Up Kenny Young [208] http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/aug/m03-011.shtml ebk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:59:48 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:38:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net> >To: <UFOupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:10:03 -0500 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:51:49 +0100 >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>I have said this ad nauseam, and I will not repeat it until some >>new material is available (and Richard Hall's cuttings are >>certainly not new material. They are second, third, or fourth >>hand accounts), we have no direct evidence from anyone except >>two people who are known to be associates of the photographer >>prior to the incident. We are nowhere near the "48 witnesses" >>claimed in Jerry's encyclopedias. Perhaps, if he's now managed >>to get his material together (and no criticism if he hasn't, I >>know how disruptive a house move can be), he might be able to >>tell us where this figure came from. >Wrong, old boy. There is some very important new evidence. I'm >sorry to say that the news, for you, is not good. I'm waiting eagerly. I would be particularly pleased if this evidence provided statements from named members of the crew of the Almirante Saldhana, recorded and published at the time. I'd be even more pleased if it was the source of Jerry's claim that "48" people witnessed the phenomenon. -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:56:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:39:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:54:47 +0000 >Another amusing/annoying practice of skeptibunkers like you is >to pretend that each single case happens in total isolation, >thus debunking each case individually and assuming it is not >valid prevents discovery of obvious patterns that can be highly >significant. Such as the well-established fact that the Saturn- >shaped UFO ("one bowl inverted on top of another") is an >extremely common type of UFO worldwide reported by numerous >independent witnesses. (See The UFO Evidence, Vol. II, pp. 36- >362.) No, in fact it is the habit of the UFO-booster to look at each case in isolation. I was criticised a few postings ago for saying that my scepticism about the UFO phenomenon was based on the generality of cases. Ufology has been going now for sixty years, and in that time has achieved what ... ? Nada, or as we say on this side of the pond, nowt. UFO-boosters are still searching for that "one good case" which they believe will convert the sceptics, and cause the scales to fall from the yes of the scientific establishment. Well, maybe. But what they have notably failed to do is show that there is any consistent pattern to the phenomenon. Yes, UFOs shaped like one bowl on top of another are commonly reported, although this is also the shape that is most likely to be perceived as the result of the misidentification of an astronomical object. But triangular UFOs are also commonly reported, as are cigar-shaped UFOs, spherical UFOs and conical UFOs. "Obvious patters that can be highly significant" ... and what might that significance be? After sixty years surely we should have some idea by now? But sixty years of alleged study, and no coherent theory, no predictable results, no consistency of observations. The only other 'science' which demonstrates these characteristics is psychical research, where after 125 years of experiments and observations there is no coherent theory to explain the phenomena under review. Jerry Clark tells us that in fifty years time scientists will look back in amazement at the way in which today's scientists dismissed the UFO evidence (or, indeed the 'UFO Evidence', vol. I, II, or how many subsequent volumes may have appeared by then). The psychical researchers have been playing this tune for a century now. Writers in the 1900's were assuring us that before another decade or two was past, psychic phenomena would be explained and understood. There will always be puzzling cases, ones that even sceptics can't explain, which UFO-boosters will bring out like religious relics to support the faith of the believers. But I can't see that there will be any scientific developments, just as there has been none in the last sixty years. Ufology strikes me as being rather like stamp-collecting, where rare and unusual specimens are displayed to impress other enthusiasts, rather than a science (or even proto-science) where some sort of progress and expected. If you think I'm wrong, tell me just what you think has been achieved, scientifically, in the past sixty years. -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Swahili Book On Unidentified Flying Objects From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:12:19 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 19:42:08 -0400 Subject: Swahili Book On Unidentified Flying Objects Hello All: I am forwarding this message from a man in Tanzania, SE Africa, in case anyone wants to establish a dialogue. Mr Exaud Malya apparently copied various webmasters in an attempt to gather materials for a UFO book he hopes to publish in Swahili. The letter explains itself, I am merely passing it along. Anyone interested, please email Mr Malya directly, rather than through me. Best - Larry Hatch = = = = = = -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SWAHILI BOOK FOR UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS(UFO"s)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:48:56 +0100 (BST) From: exaud malya <exaud2002@yahoo.co.uk> To: webmaster@larryhatch.net Dear Sir/madam; I am Exaud G.Malya,a Tanzanian citizen in East Africa. I am very interesting in studying UFO's and I am collecting informations about UFO"s through Websites for the purposes of writing a book in "Swahili" language to enable the East African readers to become aware about the existence of UFO"s visiting regularly our World. Swahili is a common language used by more than 100 million peoples in East and Central Africa. Several cases of UFO"s have been cited in East Africa but unfortunately due to lack of scientific knowledge and Facts these cases are being reffered as magic events practiced by Wizards. The knowledge and updated informations about UFO"s are obtained in the Websites.Most of the East African citizens are ignorant to the Information Technology(IT), they do not possess computers. The few available cyber cafes (Internet cafes) mostly in urban areas are afforded by minority who knows English language and can managed to pay fee charges. I have started to arrange the materials for the book and noticed that your website is rich in UFO"s informations. I therefore requesting permission to your esteemed organisation to use some of the materials and facts available to your website for my intended book. The main objective of the book is to enlighten Swahili readers about the truly existence of UFO"s and possibility of other creatures outside our World whom perhaps are toured our world as we humans do in our National Parks,Museums,Beaches etc.The book will also be published in English language. The book is expected to aroused discussions to the people that "WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE". I will appreciate Opinions,Contributions and even Possibility of Printing assistance from your Organisation. Thank you very much. Exaud G. Malya. exaud malya <exaud2002@yahoo.co.uk>
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:11:04 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs - Speiser >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:37:25 -0400 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs >>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:25:40 -0700 >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:05:17 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Scientific Knowledge and UFOs >>>I might point out for those of you unfamiliar with the USS >>>Supply sighting of 1904, that the three objects or "meteors" >>>were seen for 3 minutes, according to the log (the published >>>report says over 2 minutes).... and during this time the >>>"meteors" traveled from near the horizon to overhead (and >>>appeared to soar upward, traveling directly away from the >>>observers). They were going slowly enough to be seen for about 3 >>>minutes even though they did not travel from horizon to horizon >>>but only halfway ..... truly _remarkable_ meteors! >>Bruce and Bob: >>Thank you very much for your analyses. I have already withdrawn >>the challenge to PJK in a personal email. I still maintain that >>the Coyne case is not a meteoric event, but for other reasons; >>but I stand corrected on the 1972 event. >It seems from the juxtaposition of the above statement about the >duration ofd the USS Supply sighting with your statement that >you reject the meteor hypothesis for Coyne, but not because of >duration, that perhaps you were thinking that I am suggesting >that ,meteors could be seen for as long as 3 minutes. >I hope you do not think this. Nope. But I guess they can last longer than a minute, which was the antithesis of my original contention that no meteor event could possibly last that long. (I'm still trying to get my mind around that. I've seen a bolide, and in the four seconds I saw it, it traversed a goodly portion of the sky. Just seems as if at that rate, it would have gone from horizon to horizon in about 12 seconds.) ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 05:29:59 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:05:23 -0400 Subject: UFOs Seen Simultaneously In 8 Chinese Provinces Source: The Straits Times - Singapore http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,1870,141049,00.html Stig *** SEPT 2, 2002 That's Life in China UFOs SIGHTED IN 8 PROVINCES UNIDENTIFIED flying objects (UFOs) were sighted simultaneously in eight Chinese provinces last Wednesday. Witnesses saw a bright, round object in the north-east. It became bigger and then disappeared, said Hongkong's Ming Pao Daily News. <snip> Copyright @ 2002 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 2 Re: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:44:07 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:29:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:41:48 -0700 >Subject: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th & 16th >>From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:40:04 -0700 >>Subject: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th & 16th >>Houston, British Columbia >>Date: August 14th, 15th & 16th, 2002 >>Time: 4:10 - 4:30 a.m. >>Location: Chisholm Road, 64 Kilometers out from Houston, B.C. >>Bright Lights >Brian: >How far is it to the nearest airport in the direction you were >looking? >Reason I ask is, I used to live in Fountain Hills, AZ, and on >certain nights, under certain conditions, bright landing lights >of incoming aircraft could be seen over a distance of 30- 40 >miles or more. At this distance the landing lights looked quite >strange, >I would guess because of a combination of the weather conditions >and the focusing apparatus of the lights. >If I hadn't followed the landing lights until the aircraft was >directly over my head (we were in the approach path for Sky >Harbor) I might have been tempted to report a UFO myself. >So I have to ask, what was it about the light that convinces you >it was not an aircraft? >Thanks, >==JJS== Hi Jim Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you, but honestly I have been some busy, running here and there. I received two more sighting reports, one for Burns lake, B.C. an hours drive from me, and the other is here in B.C., just waiting for details on it. The nearest airport from where I was standing would be the Smithers Airport, which was in the north west from where I was. Smithers airport is rather small, but they can land a 737 there as I use to take them on my way to Vancouver, B.C. Now they run a Dash 8 out of their to Vancouver, and a couple of other smaller aircraft. At 4:00 a.m. there are no flights into Smithers, not that there couldn't be any, all commercial air traffic has already done their thing and over with. Well of course I could never rule out an aircraft really for sure, in other words I would not stake my life on it. -:))) The bright light I saw, moved really quick, faster than the jets that do fly high over head. And we do have plenty of them. But these are at a high altitude and no mistaking these. The light that I saw was at a lower level, and traveled very quickly, but what I am sure of, it was no meteor. What it was, well I haven't the foggiest. All I know it was strange. The thing that got me though, was the light, or similar to what I saw happened around the same time on each of the three or four nights, after that nothing was seen again on a clear night. I honestly thought it had to be a man made object, since it was showing up around the same time. This looks as if it will remain a mystery as many or most of the reports I have received since February 1, 2002. Take care Brian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Bill Barry? - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:58:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Young >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 >Subject: Bill Barry? >Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? >Is he contactable? Jim: Do you mean Robert Barry? He died about ten years ago. He had a Saturday evening TV show devoted to UFOs, NASA films, bible readings and other UFOria. He was publicity director for the late Rev Dr. Carl MacIntyre's 20th Century Reformation Hour ministry, and also ran the one-man 20th Century UFO Bureau. He authored a few self-published booklets in the 60s and 70s and had some articles in UFO mags. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:44:27 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:00:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th >From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:44:07 -0700 >Subject: Re: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th & 16th >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:41:48 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th & 16th >>>From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:40:04 -0700 >>>Subject: Houston, British Columbia, August 14th, 15th & 16th >>>Houston, British Columbia >>>Date: August 14th, 15th & 16th, 2002 >>>Time: 4:10 - 4:30 a.m. >>>Location: Chisholm Road, 64 Kilometers out from Houston, B.C. >>>Bright Lights >>So I have to ask, what was it about the light that convinces you >>it was not an aircraft? >Hi Jim ><snip> >smaller aircraft. At 4:00 a.m. there are no flights into >Smithers, not that there couldn't be any, all commercial air >traffic has already done their thing and over with. Possibly a military or GA aircraft....? Really my message was just to let you know that aircraft landing lights can look _really_ strange under the right conditions..... Thanks for your hard work and reporting. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:09:33 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:04:44 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:28:34 EDT >Subject: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >Hi, Kenny: >I've check the positions of bright zero and first magnitude stars >using the Cartes du Ciel program. >There were bright stars all over the place, close to the >horizon, on a night when a cold front had just passed, creating >unstable conditions, and with the jetstream moving overhead. >These are typical situations of an unstable atmosphere. >Scintillation. Bob; Thanks for all the info about twinkling stars and the scintillation theory. Interestingly, and just for the record, Cincinnati researcher Donnie Blessing consulted with Paul Nohr of the Cincinnati Observatory to ascertain if he could identify likely night-sky candidates that could have generated this fuss. He did not identify any bright star or planet that he felt would have contributed to these reports. I suppose it is important to be open minded about the possibility of scintillation and witness misperception, as always, but I just can't help but feel that a person would have to be totally detached from reality to see a twinkling star (observed either with naked eyes or through binoculars) and see 'tracer lights' or 'lights around the rim.' I say again, it just doesn't seem like a lucid, well grounded person would see something like this in a star. But I guess we've supposedly seen this time and again over the years, from police officers to pilots. But as for 'lights around the rim,' I did get this specific description from two independent, unrelated people in the same general area. In addition, there were numerous others also observing the suspected object. Now would all of the other observers, comprised of a police officer and news reporter, also be subject to gross misperception generated by contagion resulting from the primary report? Getting pretty complicated here. I vote for the Occam's Razor theory in this matter, that being the simplest explanation is the most likely. It seems way to complicated to think that a fundamental, basic misidentification compounded by contagion could result in the situation(s) reportedly taking place in this one region by different and unrelated people. I will opt out of the scintillation theory and go for a possible blimp or balloon with lights on it. Now I know that the Youngstown Airport said a blimp wasn't in the area, but we may want to keep on the table that this individual at the airport could have been wrong for whatever reason, either that he just wanted to brush off the call, unaware, not check the radar or just didn't take look around. Also, there is a NASA facility near Cleveland where they may have launched a balloon with headlights, but the existence of a balloon with lights on it is something I can't say with certainty. Perhaps you're right and this is the quick fix. Either all this or some other very unusual aircraft with strange lights is operational in this area, but to account for all this by saying 'twinkling stars' just seems a tad too complicated for my complete satisfaction. Take care, KENNY
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 Chile From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:08:24 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:16:29 -0400 Subject: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 Chile SOURCE: Terra.cl DATE: August 27, 2002 VIDEO CONFIRMS UFO PRESENCE AT FIDAE 2002 **Phenomenon captured on video during roll-out of the Chilean Air Force's Mirage Pantera fighter** SANTIAGO (Aug.16) -- The appearance of a series of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) in two recordings made during the last International Air and Space Fair (FIDAE, in Spanish) caused great expectations and surprise. The luminous phenomena appear to monitor the maneuvers of a fighter plane. On April 6, Claudia Cabezas and her brother visited FIDAE 2002 at the Los Cerrillos Airport. As in previous years they were equipped with video cameras. Both Claudia and her brother carried their own instruments. Shortly after 15:00 hrs, the fair's loudspeakers announced the presentation of the FAC's Mirage Pantera fighter. Immediately, hundreds of camera lenses were pointed at the runway to record this new aircraft. "I have always enjoyed the UFO phenomenon since I was young. My first sighting occurred at around 10 years of age. I knew that strange things are always seen at these air shows, and that's why I brought my camera. My brother doesn't believe much [in UFOs] but brought his along all the same," explained Claudia Cabezas. Seconds after the fighter's take off, a strange sheen drew the young woman's attention. "Did you see that?" I asked my brother. He said no, and I kept on recording." ================================ Translation (C) 2002. S. Corrales IHU Special thanks to Gloria Coluchi
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Info on Viewing Chilean Video From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:16:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:17:45 -0400 Subject: Info on Viewing Chilean Video The video showing the UFO and the Mirage Pantera fighter can still be seen at: www.terra.cl/multimedia/canales.cfm/categoriavideo It has a duration of 1 min 35 seconds, shows the takeoff of the fixed-wing fighter, then a blurry, pixellated flash of light. It then shows footage of Ms. Cabezas being interviewed by the Chilean media. Scott Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology www.inexplicata.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 New Cattle Mute Case in Curuzu Cuatia Argentina From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:59:58 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:19:15 -0400 Subject: New Cattle Mute Case in Curuzu Cuatia Argentina DATE: August 27, 2002 SOURCE: Vox Populi Diario Digital (Argentina) THE CATTLE MUTILATIONS RETURN As occurs in these cases,in which logical explanations appear not to fit, the city of Curuzu Cuatia in Corrientes and its environs are shaken by the recent appearance of a cow with clear incisions on its vital parts. This discovery does nothing but feed the certainty that we are facing another cattle mutilation event. Personnel from SENASA (National Health and Agroalimentary Quality Service) reached the San Antonio ranch on Sunday morning. The ranch is located 5 km from Curuzu Cuatia, in the Third Section of the Department of Mercedes. The ranch's owner, cattleman Miguel Caseroto,68, found the lifeless bovine in a pasture field late Saturday. He informed the authorities, who ascertained the animal's presence and requested the intervention of SENASA authorities, who subjected the animal to a more thorough study to reach an official explanation suitable to the circumstances. According to police sources, the health-control agency said that the animal "was four yeas old, and the death had occurred 4 to 5 days previous, and there were no signs of natural incisions or violence." They further added that the bovine was found lying on its right side. The experts noted the absence of muscles from the left maxillary, as well as the absence of an ey and ear on the same side, along with part of the tongue. They explained that the animal had no nipples and showed an enlargement of the anal region. No sooner did this information become known that the concern among cattle ranchers was immediately spread to the cities of southern Corrientes province, which were trying to find a satisfactory explanation. ================== Translation (C) 2002. S. Corrales IHU Special thanks to Gloria Coluchi
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Chinese Ufology? From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:23:24 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:21:04 -0400 Subject: Chinese Ufology? Does anybody on the list have any current contact details for Sun Shi-li in China or Paul Dong in the US? I would like to make contact with anyone currently active on the Chinese UFO scene. Regards, Bill Chalker
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Dark Matters Investigations From: Jason Groves <jkg_writer@yahoo.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:43:09 +1000 (EST) Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: Dark Matters Investigations Greetings from Down Under Just a note to let everyone know that I have set up a temp home page for my group, Dark Matters Investigations and I am in the process of setting up a web site. If anyone wishes to link their site to ours, let me know. Regards, Jason Kevin Groves Dark Matters Investigations Chairman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Dark Matters Investigations From: Jason Groves <jkg_writer@yahoo.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:43:09 +1000 (EST) Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:25:32 -0400 Subject: Dark Matters Investigations Greetings from Down Under Just a note to let everyone know that I have set up a temp home page for my group, Dark Matters Investigations and I am in the process of setting up a web site. If anyone wishes to link their site to ours, let me know. Regards, Jason Kevin Groves Dark Matters Investigations Chairman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:53:24 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:34:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:54:47 +0000 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:03:38 EDT >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>Could you please name those "key members of the crew" [who] saw >>the image of the UFO on the film immediately after it was >>developed? And, who says so? Citations, please. >Do your own homework! You resemble Klass more and more each day. Dick: Thank you, sir. >He used to insist that I look up various references for him. >It's all in the literature and I have frequently cited lots of >good literature to you, which you apparently never read. You mean like Doc Menzel's 1963 Book of the Month club best seller in which he thoroughly trashed this hoax, pointing out the flipping of the image, which you didn't even know about? >I also used to think that it was worthwhile to try to engage Klass >in rational discussion, but it always deteriorated when he evaded >the facts, started making jokes when the argument didn't go his >way, etc. You are starting to resemble him in that too. >Another amusing/annoying practice of skeptibunkers like you is >to pretend that each single case happens in total isolation, >thus debunking each case individually and assuming it is not >valid prevents discovery of obvious patterns that can be highly >significant. Such as the well-established fact that the Saturn- >shaped UFO ("one bowl inverted on top of another") is an >extremely common type of UFO worldwide reported by numerous >independent witnesses. (See The UFO Evidence, Vol. II, pp. 36- >362.) I suppose that's why the hoaxer picked that shape for his UFO. Here we have the ultimate cop-out. While skeptics are asked to "solve" each and every report of little light in the night sky, believers, who have never proven the existance of one single flying saucer, hide behind "patterns". Of course there are patterns, because saucers are a psycho- social phenomenon. Talk about evading the facts, and changing the subject. What facts? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:53:22 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:36:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Young >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:59:18 +0000 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:03:39 EDT >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall >>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:32:08 +0000 <snip> >>Dick: >>It has been claimed by skeptics of this famous photo case that >>in the second picture the UFO seemed to be upside down. This was >>apparently first noted by the U.S. Naval attache who examined >>the negatives. >>I am shocked that in the research of this incident for your two >>voluminous works you never mentioned this long-known evidence >>which suggests a hoax picture. >>Obviously, you never bothered to read old Doc Menzel's thrashing >>of this incident. >Bob, >Wow, what an over-powering argument: "It has been claimed by >skeptics...." I'm crushed. You seem to be unaware that I >corresponded with Menzel personally on this case, in fact called >his attention to it. Dick: What does this have to do with anything, except to further demonstrate your, well, apparent unfamiliarity with the details of this famous fraud. >Citations please? Sauce for the goose.... Dick: 1) See yourself, above: >>>I don't even know what you are talking about here. Newspapers >>>often invert images, if that's what you mean. 2) "The Navy's [Brazilian] study of the negatives revealed several dubious features. The details of the land in the foreground were very sharp but the UFO disk was hazy, showed little contrast, and was essentially without shadows. The object in Frame 2 seemed to have been inverted, as compared with Frames 1 and 3." (The World of Flying Saucers - A scientific examination of a major myth of the space age, by Donald H. Menzel and Lyle G. Boyd, Doubleday & Company, Garden City, New York, 1963, p. 215.) Honk, honk, honk [goose circling] Bob Young Member Extraordinaire The Donald H. Menzel, Ph.D., Appreciation Society
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:02:51 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:38:53 -0400 Subject: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday Hello Errol & List! :) After all these years of watching the sky, I finally saw something that got my blood pumping! On Saturday (31 Aug) at approx. 1pm. I was travelling with a workmate to Port Douglas, north of Cairns, Queensland. We were near to Palm Cove, when I noticed a reflective, oblong object approximately the size of my thumb, hovering about 45 degrees up in the sky to the right, possibly over the ocean. I quickly said "skywatch" & pointed in the direction for Tony. He only got a glimpse & I couldn't watch it much as I was driving. But we both agreed, that it looked very anomalous! On Sunday we had to work again at Port Douglas. This time Tony & I had another workmate, Mick travelling with us. I had told Mick what we saw & I told them both to watch out of the right window if I spotted it again. Though I didn't really expect to see it again, when I neared the spot, I slowed down anyway, just in case. Amazingly, there it was again, Tony was prepared and got a good look at it, Mick only caught a fleeting glimpse as the road dips downward and the object was obscured by the hill. I am yet to investigate, as I have been too busy, but I will start with the Airport as it is on the flight path, though we all agreed, it didn't look like a plane and we regularly see them when travelling up there, (I studied one today, in fact!) Also, Palm Cove has water sport activities and it was not a balloon, or a Parasail in our opinions. A blimp possibility must also be investigated due to its stationary hovering! I heard today that something anomalous was reported near Innisfail (not far from Tully, of saucer nest fame), on local radio in the past couple of days. So maybe we've got company in my neck of the woods? I'll follow up when I get some free time from slaving for the unholy dollar! :) Regards Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:14:58 EDT Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:40:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 >From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:08:24 -0400 >Subject: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 Chile >SOURCE: Terra.cl >DATE: August 27, 2002 >VIDEO CONFIRMS UFO PRESENCE AT FIDAE 2002 >**Phenomenon captured on video during roll-out of the Chilean >Air Force's Mirage Pantera fighter** Scott: Any frames from this video available for us to take a look at? Clear Skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:51:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:44:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT >Subject: Bill Barry? >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 >>Subject: Bill Barry? >>Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? >>Is he contactable? >Do you mean Robert Barry? He died about ten years ago. He had a >Saturday evening TV show devoted to UFOs, NASA films, bible >readings and other UFOria. He was publicity director for the >late Rev Dr. Carl MacIntyre's 20th Century Reformation Hour >ministry, and also ran the one-man 20th Century UFO Bureau. He >authored a few self-published booklets in the 60s and 70s and >had some articles in UFO mags. Thanks, Bob, but I'm looking for Bill Barry, the author of 'Ultimate Encounter', about the Turkey Springs Incident/Walton Abduction. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Chinese Ufology? - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:29:16 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:45:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Chinese Ufology? - Hatch >From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:23:24 +1000 >Subject: Chinese Ufology? >Does anybody on the list have any current contact details for >Sun Shi-li in China or Paul Dong in the US? >I would like to make contact with anyone currently active on >the Chinese UFO scene. Hello Bill: I gave up trying to reach Paul Dong years ago. I was trying to pin down the locations of sightings from his book, extremely difficult due to multiple western spellings of Chinese place- names. Only a dedicated nit-picker like myself might notice, but entire counties in China seem to have disappeared while my mapping software requires specific longitude and latitude. I was never able to get thru to Paul Dong, and have no idea how to reach Sun Shi-li Sorry - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Book Reviews From: Philip Mantle <philip.mantle@eidosnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:17:57 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:48:33 -0400 Subject: Book Reviews This is just to let the List know that Beyond Publications, an imprint of Fortune Books, will be publishing 2 new books in September that both deal with 'Alien Abductions'. The first is 'Without Consent', co-authored by Carl Nagaitis & Philip Mantle with foreword by Nick Pope. This is an up-dated version of the book which was first published in l994. It deals entirely with missing time and abduction cases in the UK only. The second book is 'Wakening' by Mary Rodwell. Mary is a trained nurse and although she hails from the UK she lives in Australia. The book looks at abductions from a therapists point of view as Mary is also a trained counsellor. If anyone is interested in obtaining review copies of these books please e-mail Lisa Sykes c/o: lisamsykes@lysos.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Bill Barry? - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:49:14 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:51:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Hall >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT >Subject: Bill Barry? >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 >>Subject: Bill Barry? >>Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? >>Is he contactable? >Jim: >Do you mean Robert Barry? He died about ten years ago. He had a >Saturday evening TV show devoted to UFOs, NASA films, bible >readings and other UFOria. He was publicity director for the >late Rev Dr. Carl MacIntyre's 20th Century Reformation Hour >ministry, and also ran the one-man 20th Century UFO Bureau. He >authored a few self-published booklets in the 60s and 70s and >had some articles in UFO mags. >Clear skies, >Bob Young No, Bob. He doesn't mean a Christian right-wing person who was fanatical about UFOs, he means Bill Barry, the serious author of the book 'Ultimate Encounter' about the Travis Walton abduction case. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Mantell Peer Review Prep - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:32:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:49:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Mantell Peer Review Prep - Ledger >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:47:30 EDT >Subject: Mantell Peer Review Prep >Good Morning, All - >For those interested, the research into the Mantell case is >nearly completed. I have assembled, from various sources, the >relevant documents, found those that Dick Hall mentioned (that >are, in fact also in the Blue Book files... I don't know why >there was a note on them that suggested they weren't) and >realized that the reports from Clinton County and from >Lockbourne are relevant to the discussion. >I now know the difference between anoxia and hypoxia (and for >those of you who watched the report on the investigation into >the death of Payne Stewart that was on the Discovery Channel on >Sunday... it wasn't hypoxia but anoxia, the difference being >that anoxia refers to reduced oxygen to the various organs and >hypoxia refers to reduced blood flow that results in reduced >oxygen.) >I hope to have everything put together in the near future but I >have a book due shortly (no, it's science fiction... Oh my God, >Randle writes science fiction) and that has to take precedence >since the publisher is paying for it. >At this point it really is only a question of getting everything >down so that I can post the results and we can begin the peer >review process. >KRandle Hi Kevin, Looking forward to it. Something I can get my teeth into. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:09:21 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:53:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:56:04 +0100 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:54:47 +0000 >>Another amusing/annoying practice of skeptibunkers like you is >>to pretend that each single case happens in total isolation, >>thus debunking each case individually and assuming it is not >>valid prevents discovery of obvious patterns that can be highly >>significant. Such as the well-established fact that the Saturn- >>shaped UFO ("one bowl inverted on top of another") is an >>extremely common type of UFO worldwide reported by numerous >>independent witnesses. (See The UFO Evidence, Vol. II, pp. 36- >>362.) >No, in fact it is the habit of the UFO-booster to look at each >case in isolation. I was criticised a few postings ago for >saying that my scepticism about the UFO phenomenon was based on >the generality of cases. John, I am interspersing a few comments and will have a final comment below. Presumably by your definition I am a "UFO-booster"; you are not describing my habit, as you would know if you read (and comprehended) my writings. >Ufology has been going now for sixty years, and in that time has >achieved what ... ? Nada, or as we say on this side of the pond, >nowt. >UFO-boosters are still searching for that "one good case" which >they believe will convert the sceptics, and cause the scales to >fall from the yes of the scientific establishment. Well, maybe. >But what they have notably failed to do is show that there is >any consistent pattern to the phenomenon. Yes, UFOs shaped like >one bowl on top of another are commonly reported, although this >is also the shape that is most likely to be perceived as the >result of the misidentification of an astronomical object. But >triangular UFOs are also commonly reported, as are cigar-shaped >UFOs, spherical UFOs and conical UFOs. Several whoppers here. Again, you are not describing my approach. And you are certainly oblivious to research findings by careful, responsible people like me if you do not see "any consistent pattern to the phenomenon." It is the patterns that I strongly focus on. And will you please cite any scientific literature in support of your assertion that the Saturn-shape is the one "most likely to be perceived as the result of the misidentification of an astronomical object?" That sounds like total bunk to me, and another example of off-the-top-of-the-head biased opinions being substituted for research and investigation (i.e., science). >"Obvious patters that can be highly significant" ... and what >might that significance be? After sixty years surely we should >have some idea by now? That UFO sightings are not merely random misperceptions. >But sixty years of alleged study, and no coherent theory, no >predictable results, no consistency of observations. The only >other 'science' which demonstrates these characteristics is >psychical research, where after 125 years of experiments and >observations there is no coherent theory to explain the >phenomena under review. See below. >Jerry Clark tells us that in fifty years time scientists will >look back in amazement at the way in which today's scientists >dismissed the UFO evidence (or, indeed the 'UFO Evidence', vol. >I, II, or how many subsequent volumes may have appeared by >then). The psychical researchers have been playing this tune for >a century now. Writers in the 1900's were assuring us that >before another decade or two was past, psychic phenomena would >be explained and understood. >There will always be puzzling cases, ones that even sceptics >can't explain, which UFO-boosters will bring out like religious >relics to support the faith of the believers. But I can't see >that there will be any scientific developments, just as there >has been none in the last sixty years. See below. >Ufology strikes me as being rather like stamp-collecting, where >rare and unusual specimens are displayed to impress other >enthusiasts, rather than a science (or even proto-science) where >some sort of progress and expected. If you think I'm wrong, tell >me just what you think has been achieved, scientifically, in the >past sixty years. I strongly suspect that if I had sent you a message of this type raising all sorts of scientific and methodological issues that to answer fully would require an encyclopedic response, you wouldn't even have tried to answer. I have a very simple, straightforward answer for you: Read The UFO Evidence, Volume II. Not only does it provide an answer to your bottom-line question, but also it addresses all of your intermediate comments/opinions. It is also thoroughly documented. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Secrecy News -- 09/03/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:32:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:59:30 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/03/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 85 September 3, 2002 ** OMB TACKLES SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED INFORMATION ** HERKEN'S BROTHERHOOD OF THE BOMB ** NEW RESOURCES ON POLISH, CZECH INTELLIGENCE ** FOIA CASES ONLINE ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS ** DSS INSISTS THE THREAT IS NOT URGENT OMB TACKLES SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED INFORMATION The White House Office of Homeland Security has asked the Office of Management and Budget to develop new policy guidance on so- called "sensitive but unclassified" (SBU) information. The intended purpose of the SBU category is to preserve confidentiality without formal classification, in such a way as to permit the sharing of such sensitive information with federal and local law enforcement or emergency response personnel who do not hold security clearances. The scope of SBU information (also termed Sensitive Homeland Security Information) has not been described. Nor has the meaning of "sensitive" been defined, prompting concerns that it could function as a catch-all for whatever information the increasingly secretive executive branch does not want to release. But Daniel J. Chenok, information policy specialist at the Office of Management and Budget, told advocates of public access to government information last week that the issue is straightforward. Most agencies, he explained, already have procedures for handling what amounts to "sensitive but unclassified information" -- such as privacy data, law enforcement information, and the other assorted types of unclassified information that are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act -- but these procedures vary from agency to agency. "The goal here is consistent treatment among the different agency practices," he said. Moreover, the pending OMB guidance will entail "no new statutory framework," he said. "We will work within the existing framework." This is an encouraging message, insofar as the legal authority to withhold information from the public cannot be significantly augmented without resort to statutory changes. But these are deep waters, and the complexity of existing government controls on unclassified information is not widely understood. In fact, it is questionable whether all of the overlapping directives can be reconciled without a new statutory framework. There at least a dozen distinct systems of unclassified information control, including various provisions implementing the International Traffic in Arms Regulation, the Export Administration Act, etc. Counterintuitively, some of these provisions impose penalties for disclosure of unclassified information that are more severe than for disclosure of classified information. "There are many impractical and unrealistic regulations and laws in effect to control [unclassified] information," observed former classification officer James J. Bagley in a 1993 paper published by the National Classification Management Society. "Chaos... describes the situation concerning unclassified official information-- pure chaos," Mr. Bagley wrote. See his "Understanding Controls on Unclassified Government Information," reposted with permission here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/bagley.html The diversity of unclassified information that is already exempt from public disclosure can be seen from this list of several dozen statutory Freedom of Information Act exemptions: http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/b3.pdf Mr. Chernok of OMB said that the pending guidance on sensitive but unclassified information would be published for public comment prior to adoption, probably in a few months. HERKEN'S BROTHERHOOD OF THE BOMB Historian Gregg Herken has just authored an intriguing new political history of the nuclear age. His book "Brotherhood of the Bomb: The Tangled Lives and Loyalties of Robert Oppenheimer, Ernest Lawrence, and Edward Teller," revisits many of the milestones of nuclear history, newly informed by the latest declassified research. A website for the book offers assorted background information, including a series of newly available documents that address the question "Was Oppenheimer a Communist?" To summarize a complex record crudely, Herken concludes that Oppenheimer probably was a Communist Party member early in his career, but probably was not a spy. See: http://www.brotherhoodofthebomb.com/ NEW RESOURCES ON POLISH, CZECH INTELLIGENCE Newly reformed Eastern European intelligence services continue to develop in interesting ways, and with more publicity than might have been anticipated. In June 2002, a significant reorganization of Polish intelligence services was enacted. The background to this action and its meaning were assessed by Polish journalist David M. Dastych in a new paper called "No Zero Option But a Shake Up: The Reform of the Polish Secret Services." That paper and related resources are available here: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/poland/index.html The Czech Security Information Service recently published its 2001 annual report, providing a U.S. reader with an interesting parallax view of global security matters. A link to that new report, along with related background information on Czech intelligence, may be found here: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/czech/index.html FOIA CASES ONLINE Citations and summaries of all Freedom of Information Act judicial decisions for the past five years are now available online, thanks to the Department of Justice Office of Information and Privacy. See the August 30 announcement, "Compilations of FOIA Decisions Now Reach Back Five Years," here: http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2002foiapost19.htm SECRECY IN THE NEWS "There is considerable danger to the intrusive leaks investigation the FBI is conducting of the 17 members of the Senate intelligence committee," argues the Washington Post in a September 3 editorial. See "The Danger of Leak Probes": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27682-2002Sep2.html In a related story, the Washington Post reported erroneously on August 24 that "It is illegal to release classified information." While several categories of classified information are in fact protected by law from unauthorized disclosure, including the communications intelligence information that is the subject of the current leak probe, the Post assertion is not generally true of all classified information. Former Energy Department intelligence official Notra Trulock and Commentary Magazine editor Gabriel Schoenfeld square off one more time concerning the Wen Ho Lee case in the letters column of the September 2002 Commentary Magazine: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/letters.htm#W DSS INSISTS THE THREAT IS NOT URGENT In a somewhat alarming statement, the Pentagon's Defense Security Service (DSS) insisted that there is no cause for alarm. "DSS has NOT issued urgent threat warnings!" the agency declared urgently in a peculiar August 29 release. The statement was apparently issued to rebut an unauthorized or counterfeit alert that had circulated in the name of DSS. While previous warnings remain in effect, DSS advised reassuringly, "This is in no way intended to issue a new and urgent warning concerning the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks." See: http://www.dss.mil/cithreats/bogusemail.htm _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:57:16 -0400 Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ It appears that UFO sightings are on the rise again. We recently had the return of the Bubba UFO. Bubba is known as a red UFO that frequently visited Gulf Breeze, Fl, 150+ times and Gilbert, AZ close to 30 times now. The sighting happened on August 23, 2002 at 8:00 pm near the corner of Baseline/Gilbert rd. Fox 10 news had a cameraman at Elliot/Alma School Rd and shoot some video tape of the object. Which aired later that night at 10:00 pm news. Another witness Armondo who had previously seen Bubba many times took a series of pictures using his 4.1 mega pixel digital camera. During the news broadcast FOX attempted to explain the sighting away as a Cessna aircraft. This was stated by Troy Hayden saying a spokesman for Williams Gateway Airport says it was just a Cessna. This has infuriated the eyewitnesses who saw the red light. Williams Gateway is about 7 miles from the sighting area, where Armondo is only 2 miles from the location. Another hard to understand element is most researchers find it next to impossible to reach anyone at Williams Gateway or Chandler airport on a Friday night after 8:30 pm. How Fox was able to get a statement from Williams Gateway only 1 1/2 hours after the sighting, then slam it together for the 10:00 news is another testament of sloppy reporting done by all news stations throughout the country. This is not a localized problem in Phoenix or Fox news. I believe about 20% of all UFO stories told have errors in their reports. It makes you wonder if they screw up 20% of all news stories? Why was FOX news at a corner near the area Bubba is usually spotted? Its anyone's guess but they have also taped Bubba in the past. Those tapes are probably still around somewhere but lost in their bureaucratic black hole. They simply gathered up what little facts they had to report on and simply wrote the sighting off. Mike Surface from Project Phoenix for UFOs gathered the following information. Begin ------------------------------------------------------------------ 8/23/02 @ 8:28pm Baseline/University Man saw red rotating lights in triangular formation to the east from loc for approx 20min 8/23/02 @ 8pm Baseline/Guadalupe Women reported rotation of lights to the S/E from loc watching approx 15 min then object left from view... * NOTES Mesa P.D reported 10-15 calls the evening of 23rd between 7:45pm 8:30pm / One eyewitness who called Williams who stated Falcon Field was running own investigation into lights. Talked with TREKON, Sat 24th who reported nothing. Luke A.F reported nothing as in exercises/ or planes up. Talked w/ Arizona Aviation who reported nothing. End ------------------------------------------------------------------ More evidence will be posted to my website in the next couple of weeks as its available. Tom King www.ufovideo.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Reason From: Catherine Reason <CathyM@ukf.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:45:30 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:01:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Reason >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:56:04 +0100 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case Hello again, John: >But sixty years of alleged study, and no coherent theory, no >predictable results, no consistency of observations. The only >other 'science' which demonstrates these characteristics is >psychical research, where after 125 years of experiments and >observations there is no coherent theory to explain the >phenomena under review. Apologies for kibitzing again, but this is just not true. There's at least one other "science" which demonstrates these characteristics - experimental psychology. I could cite numerous examples of problems in psychology for which the theoretical explanations have proliferated more or less in proportion to the available data - my favorite is the visual search paradigm, which has gone from a single theory in 1980, through to three separate competing theories by the early nineties, down to more than I can count at the present time, with the proportion of data accounted for by each individual theory remaining roughly constant or even decreasing throughout that time. In fact this is probably true for all of the "social sciences" - which is why I gave up on psychology and went into neuroscience instead. Parapsychology is, if anything, superior to orthodox psychology in terms of its experimental rigor and methodological standards - the controversy over parapsychology has to do with politics and philosophy, not any deficit in terms of consistency or predictability. Cathy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:09:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:04:45 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:03:09 +0200 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:41:17 -0400 >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>From: Steve Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:10:20 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants ><snip> >>If it would take something like "hardware" to win them over, >>then guys like Dr. Lier who claim to be cutting into human >>beings in search of such objects/evidence need to be held >>accountable. Much more accountable than they have been, or are >>at present. >>We should all be concerned with these types of surgeries on an >>ethical, human level. Maybe we should even make enough noise to >>insure that any 'objects' that are surgically retrieved will >>have a proper chain of custody established, and that any >>analysis that is conducted is performed by an independent, >>certified/reputable medical institution. >>The way these recovered objects and subsequent analysis' have >>been handled, has been nothing short of abysmal. What a waste. >>And all the pain suffered by the subjects... for naught. >>We know nothing more today than we knew five years ago. Hi Gildas, You wrote: >To John Velez and the List, >I am surprised by your very hard critics of Dr Roger Leir. >Please note first that his name is Leir, not Lier. Sorry about the spelling error. For some reason I consistently invert 'ei'. Not just in Leir's name, but all the time. Mild Dyslexia??? "Hard criticism?" We're talking about a podiatrist that has performed (or had someone else perform) many surgeries in order to recover assorted and sundry objects from the bodies of abductee volunteers. Allegedly, so that these same objects can be studied and the results disseminated via publication in peer review journals/periodicals. That is what everyone was told by Sims/Leir when they first went public with their intentions. Neither of them have delivered on any of their 'promises.' I don't think that our discussion about their failure to do what they said they were going to do, can fairly be characterized as "hard criticism." And... it's nothing 'personal.' I would have said the same thing about any doctor who was conducting such surgeries. 'Whoever' is cutting up abductees to recover alleged 'implants' needs to be accountable. 'Real' accountable! We're talking about Leir cutting people and then not delivering any results save for his book, or if you happen to live in a city he is lecturing in. >I said in my previous message (August 30), that some analyses >of his implants have been published, two of them through Nids. I >made a mistake when I wrote that they were not on the Nids site >anymore. They still are, at : >http://www.nidsci.org/articles/metal/metal.html >Please read my other message for more details. >BTW, do you know these analyses, and have you read >the book of Dr Leir ? I'm very familiar with them. They have been posted (by myself) first at the old Intruders Foundation website (when I was webmaster) and now at the Abduction Information Center. It is posted there along with several critiques of the methods used by NIDS. From people who are very knowledgeable about such analysis and testing methods. The critiques of the methods employed by NIDS were pretty harsh. It must always be remembered that NIDS is not an 'independent' organization. It is the private property and dedicated UFO investigation arm of citizen Bob Bigelow. Why hasn't any _independent_ and reputable medical institution published the test/analysis results of _any_ of these many objects? Are we ever going to see the results of such tests published in any medical journals? In any peer review journals? Honest questions Gildas, not 'harsh criticism'. I've done better than just read Leir's book, I have gotten to know, personally, three of his post surgical clients. Sometimes it's better to get the information right from the horse's mouth. >I got a private opinon in France from a metallurgist, who told >me that the metallic composition is quite special and unusual. >But, of course, all this is not a final proof that they are ET >implants. I met briefly with Colonel Alexander, in 2000. I asked >him his personal opinion, and he replied "unconclusive". Please >note that "unconclusive" does not mean that there is nothing of >interest there. That's apparently another problem... because NIDS considers the test results to be inconclusive, why aren't the objects being forwarded to other institutions for examination? Institutions that are not so heavily invested in UFO related research alone. Institutions with no vested interest or stake in the outcome/ results. That is all I'm saying. If you consider it to be 'harsh' it cannot be helped. I will tell you that; if it was me that he had cut into, and then he didn't follow up properly on his own promises to have anything that was recovered properly analyzed and reported, I'd be a lot more pissed about it than I am now. >I made another mistake in my previous message. I wrote that >Robert Bigelow and Colonel Alexander wanted to impose secrecy on >the findings, but that Leir and Sims did not accept that. I just >read again the pages again (chapter 12 : Secret Analysis). The >story is a bit different. Bigelow did want rectrictive >conditions for any publication, but he was offering so much - >funds, access to first rate labs, and the prospect of an >article in a scientific journal (under the control of Nids) - >that Leir and Sims accepted these conditions. >Well, we are still waiting for the last item : an article in a >scientific journal, but we do have some information on analyses >made in two reputed labs. I repeat my opinion : time has not >come yet for a complete publication! Why not Gildas? It's been seven (7) years man! How much 'time' do they need? >Another thing: you portray Dr Leir as a man who "claims to be >cutting into human beings", etc. It's not a 'claim' Gildas, it's a fact. That's why it's called 'surgery.' >Well, I had the opportunity to meet one of his "victims", >Tim Cullen, and I can tell you he was alive and well. >He was with Leir at the Laughlin conference in March 2000. >(where I met Alexander). He is a very strong man, obviously >in excellent health after his surgery on left wrist, made two >months before (he had a very light scar), and he talked at the >conference, as well as Leir. I also talked with Dr Leir >and he has very interesting things to tell, privately. I have met three who aren't quite as 'pleased' as Tim. I'm happy for Tim. But we shouldn't ignore those who have a different 'take' on it. Tim corresponded with me recently. I invited him to join the discussion on the UpDates List but I haven't heard anything back from him yet. It would be nice to have him on board for this conversation. >Perhaps, some day, more informations will be available >publicly? We should all live so long. You'd think that he would publish some hard results _before_ publishing his own book. But then, there ya go... free enterprise and capitalism hard at work. :) >There would be a lot more to tell about Dr Leir's findings, >especially about the biological properties of these alleged >implants. There is also information in the Mufon Journal (June >and December 1998, May 2000), and in UFO Magazine (January >1999). I will look for those articles. Thank you. Warm regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:10:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:06:02 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:55:36 UT >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:27:06 +0000 >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:39:25 UT >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>><snip> >>>>Any U.S. west coasters willing to physically travel to Dr. >>>>Leir's location and attempt to ask him face to face if he could >>>>simply provide nothing more than photos of the 20 implants >>>>removed to date? >>>I know Dr. Leir and have seen not only photos but videos of the >>>implants and removals, but he has not presented substantial >>>evidence from scientific analysis of these objects to show that >>>they are both anamolous and non-terrestrial. >>Well... do any of them look manufactured? I ask that because >>the two NIDS implants appeared to be natural fragments which >>could have been embedded in an accidental way. Just lumps of >>iron or some such. >I only saw one that I recall that looked like it might have been >a manufactured artifact. I cannot comment on the others as the >photos do not tell me one way or another. Hi Bill, Which one? Is there anything in the way of analysis results that is posted somewhere on the Web? Just curious. Regards to you and Mrs. H John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:08:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors Having followed the List for several months, I have the following rhetorical questions: I don't understand why John Rimmer, editor of a Fortean magazine, is so against the study of "Unidentified Flying Objects," which is a type of Fortean subject. Seems kinda funny somehow. I mean, why would a person who has such a distaste for anyone who studies the subject, would be so attached to a subject they dislike so much and why, if he's so anti-UFOlogy, does he produce a Fortean Magazine? Further, I don't understand why a person, such as Bob Young, has such a morbid facination with a subject he doesn't believe should be studied by anyone. Why do these guys seem to have all the pat answers and nobody else are allowed to come to their own conclusions? What is the psychological basis that such people would huff and puff on a List devoted to the study of "Unidentified Flying Objects?" Need to feel important and omnipotent? Deep fear of the unknown? Insatiable desire to dominate others and the subject at hand? A conspiracy to take over EBK's List? The mind boggles. The incessant drone numbs. Wendy Connors (Who gave up Ufology and began to study the abberant behavior of the Negativists on the UFO UpDates List.)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:01:40 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:14:02 -0400 Subject: Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? Does anyone have Antonio's current email and phone contact details. Regards, Bill Chalker
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 3 Sighting Of My Own From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:31:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:17:43 -0400 Subject: Sighting Of My Own Hi List, On Sunday night I had an interesting sighting of my own. Caught me flat footed. Since I can't even access my own website to post a drawing I created anyone who wants to have a look at it will have to contact me directly and I'll send the attachment. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bill Barry? - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:56:16 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:06:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Young >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:49:14 +0000 >Subject: Re: Bill Barry? >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT >>Subject: Bill Barry? <snp> >No, Bob. He doesn't mean a Christian right-wing person who was >fanatical about UFOs, he means Bill Barry, the serious author of >the book 'Ultimate Encounter' about the Travis Walton abduction >case. Dick: Just trying to help, if possible. Does Barry (not the fanatic) conclude that Travis was abducted by ETs or not? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:12:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 >Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >It appears that UFO sightings are on the rise again. We recently >had the return of the Bubba UFO. Bubba is known as a red UFO >that frequently visited Gulf Breeze, Fl, 150+ times and Gilbert, >AZ close to 30 times now. Hi, Tom: What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? - Benson From: Tom Benson <sparkle@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:56:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:13:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? - Benson >From: Bill Chalker <bill_c@bigpond.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:01:40 +1000 >Subject: Contact details for Antonio Huneeus? >Does anyone have Antonio's current email and phone contact >details. Antonio can be reached at P.O. Box 1989, Madison Square Station, New York, N.Y. 10010. Tom
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Rhetorical Question - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:08:22 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:15:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Young >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO Updates <UFOUpdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 >Subject: Rhetorical Question <snip> >I don't understand why a person, such as Bob Young, has >such a morbid facination with a subject he doesn't believe >should be studied by anyone. Hello, Wendy: Did I say that? >Why do these guys seem to have all the pat answers and nobody >else are allowed to come to their own conclusions? When have I (or could I) "not allowed" anybody from reaching any conclusion they want? It's not my List. >What is the psychological basis that such people would huff and >puff on a List devoted to the study of "Unidentified Flying >Objects?" Need to feel important and omnipotent? Deep fear of >the unknown? Insatiable desire to dominate others and the >subject at hand? A conspiracy to take over EBK's List? Now you've got it, a conspiracy! Bob Young M.I.B. [flash]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:19:24 -0400 Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:02:51 +1000 >Hello Errol & List! :) After all these years of watching the >sky, I finally saw something that got my blood pumping! <snip> Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down under? ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:41:39 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:22:07 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:09:33 -0700 >Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:28:34 EDT >>Subject: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >Thanks for all the info about twinkling stars and the >scintillation theory. Interestingly, and just for the record, >Cincinnati researcher Donnie Blessing consulted with Paul Nohr >of the Cincinnati Observatory to ascertain if he could identify >likely night-sky candidates that could have generated this fuss. >He did not identify any bright star or planet that he felt would >have contributed to these reports. Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. <snip> >But as for 'lights around the rim,' I did get this specific >description from two independent, unrelated people in the same >general area. In addition, there were numerous others also >observing the suspected object. But at times in different directions from different locations. How can we be certain that they were observing the same thing? >Now would all of the otherobservers, comprised of a police >officer and news reporter, also be subject to gross misperception >generated by contagion resulting from the primary report? They might. But I thought that the policeman said he didn't see the UFO? >Getting pretty complicated here. I agree with you about this. I read your postg, I thought carefully, and it recounts the various sightings at different times. Did anybody describe any objects _at_any_one_time_ as moving across the sky? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Police Helicopter Chases UFO From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:10:38 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:23:06 -0400 Subject: Police Helicopter Chases UFO Source: This is Brighton & Hove, September 3, 2002, http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co.uk/brighton__hove/news/NEWS4.html Stig *** Police helicopter chases UFO by Barbara Davidson ** A police helicopter went on a dramatic high-speed chase - in pursuit of some little green men. The tale of the unexpected began when a suspected UFO was spotted next to the Sussex Police vehicle as it flew 1,000ft above Brighton. Inside, crew members Sergeant John Tickner and paramedic Sean Mitchell sat mesmerised as the glowing object floated next to them before disappearing into the distance. They were so stunned they decided to follow it and used a thermal imaging camera to video events as they chased the mystery object for three minutes before giving up and returning to base. Now their video is being pored over by UFO enthusiasts around the world in the belief it could provide evidence of life on other planets. Experts say they are baffled by the Brighton phenomenon. But both Mr Tickner and Mr Mitchell are convinced they did not witness a close encounter of the third kind. Mr Tickner, 50, who retired last week after 30 years with Sussex Police, said: "We were flying back from Beachy Head and at 1,000ft we didn't expect anything to join us. Not for a moment did we believe it to be anything sinister. "We thought it was funny though so we chased it around for three minutes and were laughing and joking about little green men. None of us took it seriously." The bizarre incident happened on the evening of August 11, 2000. The crew passed the film footage to a TV company making a documentary about their work. The story was picked up by a magazine and the film has been screened at a UFO conference. ** =A9 Copyright 2002 Newsquest Media Group - A Gannett Company
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil From: Fern Belzil <fbelzil@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:13:35 -0600 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:31:00 -0400 >Subject: Sighting Of My Own >Hi List, >On Sunday night I had an interesting sighting of my own. Caught >me flat footed. Since I can't even access my own website to post >a drawing I created anyone who wants to have a look at it will >have to contact me directly and I'll send the attachment. Hi Don: Please send me the attachment of what you saw on Sunday night. I have never seen a UFO. In my mutilation investigations, you would be amazed of the things that some of the ranchers tell me about what they have seen, and strange happenings the night of the mutilation. My findings make me wonder if maybe there is an Alien connection. We are making progress. Thank you. Fernand Belzil St Paul, Alberta Canada
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 36 From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:44:22 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:25:10 -0400 Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 36 Posted on behalf of Joseph Trainor. <Masinaigan@aol.com> ========================== UFO ROUNDUP Volume 7, Number 36 September 3, 2002 Editor: Joseph Trainor http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ FOUR TRIANGULAR UFOs SIGHTED IN IRELAND On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:05 p.m., Stephen O'Hanlon was in the outskirts of Waterford, a city in southern Ireland, when he spotted an unusual formation in the sky. "I saw four orange-coloured, triangular-shaped objects flying in formation almost over my head," Stephen reported, "The two craft in the rear were moving erratically from side to side but not in unison. One seemed to drop into a curve or a crescent as it flew in perfect alignment with the others. The one to the left was more erratic and seemed to jerk from side to side but also followed the crescent shape (trajectory--J.T.). There was absolutely no sound." The UFOs were "triangular, all four were exactly the same size and were orange in colour, glowing slightly. They were the size of light aircraft and flew very close together. They flew at least 1,000 to 1,500 feet (300 to 450 meters) and kept at the level until out of sight." The city of Waterford is in County Waterford, located about 90 miles (144 kilometers) south of Dublin, the national capital. (Email Form Report) HOVERING UFO SEEN OVER COLDRINGHAM, SCOTLAND On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 2:30 a.m., George Niedzwiedz was at his home in Coldringham, Berwickshire, Scotland, UK when he noticed an intriguing but stationary light in the night sky. George reported, "Looking out my bedroom window towards The Plough constellation (also known as Ursa Major--J.T.), I noticed a singular light which nearly flashed on and off for about half a second. Also saw two meteorites. If you took a straight line from Benetnasch and Phecda, the light appeared smack in the middle of these two stars." "I don't think this was a satellite, Iridium or otherwise. I think a single flash is odd, more likely to be astronomical. It was the same colour as the surrounding stars but a little bit brighter at its peak." (Email Form Report) TWO ORANGE UFOs SPOTTED OVER LATHLAIN, W.A. On Wednesday evening, August 28, 2002, James and Yvonne Cox drove to a late-night supermarket in Lathlain, Western Australia when they saw something unusual in the sky. "We drove to a late-night supermarket to pick up some milk," Yvonne reported, "We pulled over to observe two bright orange lights in the sky. They looked like an aircraft coming straight at us. A military-looking helicopter was circling the suburb and looked low enough to park in a garden." "We were scared and rang (phoned in the USA--J.T.) Gordon, who came to the door to have a gawk. We proceeded to the shops in a totally distracted state, looking all the while at the lights. The carpark (parking lot in the USA--J.T.) was full of people pointing upwards. The lights appeared to be directly over the shops, up high, not moving at all." "I rang a friend in the next suburb who watched them from her front garden. We shopped, and, when we came out, the lights had gone. All up, they were observed for a good half hour." "When I got home, I rang the Observatory, eventually got through, and the man said, 'Yes, we've had a lot of calls from your area. Quite a lot of sightings for six weeks now. We think it's kids lighting garbage bags and letting them drift away.'" (Email Form Report) ANOTHER COW MUTILATED IN NORTHERN ARGENTINA "A new cattle mutilation case occurred late Saturday," August 24, 2002, involving "a dead cow with precise incisions and various missing body parts. There were no signs of any tracks, human or animal, on the ground around the carcass." "Personnel from SENASA (Spanish acronym for Argentina's National Health and Agroalimentary Quality Service--J.T.) arrived Sunday morning," August 25, 2002, "in San Antonio, located 5 kilometers (3 miles) from Curuz, in the third section of the department of Mercedes" in Argentina's Misiones province. "Livestock owner Miguel Caseroto, 60, found the lifeless cow in his field late Saturday evening." "Police authorities took custody of the dead animal, and SENASA officials took samples from the carcass for further testing." "The cow was four years old and was found lying on its left side. She had died about four to five days earlier and presented no natural cuts or injuries, nor any other signs of violence." "Caseroto told the (Argentinian) newspapers that the cow was missing its left maxillary (jawbone), plus the eye and ear on the same side, and also part of the tongue. A section of the cow's anus was also removed." (See the Argentinian newspaper Vox Populi of Posadas, Misiones province for August 27, 2002. Muchas gracias a Norberto Mollo de OVNIs y Mutilaciones para eso articulo de diario.) SMALL METAL UFO CRASHES NEAR A VILLAGE IN ANGOLA "An unidentified flying object has fallen from the sky and landed near the village of Manzawu, in northern Uije province," in the southwest African nation of Angola. "Roman Catholic Radio Ecclesia reported the crash on Thursday, August 22, 2002. Villagers told Radio Ecclesia the object crashed to the ground near Manzawu following a loud explosion, similar to a clap of thunder." "'We heard noise like thunder in the sky, and then a ball landed on the earth,' one of the witnesses to the object's sudden appearance said." "'Now we are afraid it could explode,' said another villager." "According to Radio Ecclesia, the object weighs around 10 kilogrammes (22 pounds) and measures some 50 centimetres (20 inches) in diameter." "Experts from the Angola Armed Forces have travelled to the object's landing site to examine it, the radio said." (Many thanks to Roger Day and Tony Lewing of Extra-Terrestrial Association of South Africa for this report.) (Editor's Note: The event in Manzawu is a blow-by-blow repeat of a similar Fortean happenstance of the early Nineteenth Century. On August 13, 1819, there was a flash of light, an explosive sound like thunder, and then "a bowl-shaped object" landed on the lawn of Professor Dewey in Amherst, Massachusetts, USA. See The Complete Books of Charles Fort, Dover Publications, New York, N.Y., 1974, pages 41 to 43.) CROP CIRCLES STARTLE A TOWN IN MICHIGAN "Three days after a farmer and his son discovered two giant 'crop circles' in their 180 acres of corn, authorities" in Eaton Rapids, Michigan (population 5,350) "are doing their best to assure uneasy townsfolk that the damage was done by 'some teenage pranksters,' not by aliens from outer space." "The way the farmers discovered the circles--while riding across their acreage on a tractor--closely parallels a similar discovery in the popular movie Signs." "'Everybody and their brother wants to know if the aliens have landed,' Eaton County Sheriff Rick Jones said Friday," August 30, 2002, "after describing the two areas of flattened corn, each 100 feet (30 meters) in diameter, that were discovered Tuesday," August 27, 2002, "three miles (5 kilometers) north of Eaton Rapids, a town between Lansing (the state capital--J.T.) and Battle Creek." "'I've been telling everybody I meet that I'm pretty sure it's not aliens--it's probably just some teenagers who went to a movie and then decided they'd have some fun. Well, if we catch'em, they're going to pay some heavy fines, and they're going to make restitution.'" "The owner of the affected field, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was more bothered by media interest in the crop circles--he's been bombatded by television interview requests--than by the tampering with his crop." "'I'm pretty sure the damage was done by people and not extraterrestrials,' said the farmer. 'I've probably lost about $250 in destroyed corn and cleanup costs, but the biggest problem has been the media circus.'" "Eaton Rapids Mayor Donald Colestock said he's also certain that the damage was caused by humans, and that he's not amused. 'This is just plain malicious destruction,' he said." "Although most Eaton Rapids residents seemed convinced that local pranksters were at work, other fret over troubling questions they say have not been adequately answered." "'I really don't think teenagers could have done something this precise,' said Robert Locke, owner and operator of Mr. Robert's Hair Designs, located only a mile from the crop circles. 'From what I've heard, crop circles are always precise, and I understand that the areas of flattened corn are quite circular in design.'" "The sheriff said he was surprised to learn that there were 'no tire marks' around the crop circles, which suggests that the perpetrators did not use farm machinery to crush and flatten an estimated 28,000 stalks of corn. But he said a large group of teenagers could hace accomplished the task without machinery if they 'spent several hours working hard at it.'" "'The word I'm getting is that it could have been done by hand, even if it required a lot of planning and work,' said Jones. 'At this point, I'm 100 percent certain that this is vandalism, pure and simple. The last time I checked, we weren't running The X-Files here, and we certainly aren't the Men In Black.'" "'We've been putting out the word all over the county that this kind of property destruction carries a potential 90-day jail sentence, along with some heavy fines.'" "For his part, the farmer acknowledged the possibility of some force beyond Earth. 'I'm halfway convinced that there's intelligent life out there somewhere in the universe,' he speculated, 'But do I think aliens messed up my cornfield? Nope... That was just somebody clowning around and imitating a movie.'" In other crop circle news, a "double triplet formation" was found last week in a farm field in East Garafraxa, Ontario, Canada. According to Paul Anderson of Canadian Crop Circles Research Network, "the double triplet formation was found in a field of barley on the afternoon of Wednesday, August 28, 2002. Approximately 30 metres (100 feet) in diameter. Large outer circle surrounded by three smaller circles in a triangular configuration. Also three smaller standing circles inside the large centre circle, in a reverse pattern of the three outside circles." East Garafraxa was the ninth crop circle formation discovered in Canada during 2002. (See the Chicago Tribune for August 31, 2002, "Circles likely sign of too much time on kids' hands,' page 3. Many thanks to Steve Wilson Sr. and Paul Anderson for these reports.) UFO PERFORMS STRANGE MANEUVERS OVER MALTA On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 1:25 a.m., Peter and Jean Marshall were on a beach at St. Paul's Bay on Malta, a small island in the Mediterranean Sea, when they spotted a strange light in the sky. "The UFO appeared and just went straight down from the sky and then straight back up again," Jean reported, adding that the maneuver "was like a V shape, and it took about a second." "The object had a traingular shape when I looked at it," Peter reported. "It had a very bright white light," Jean added, "Bigger than an aeroplane. Too fast. We could not estimate the spot in the sky from which it dropped." (Email Form Report) UFOs ARE ACTIVE OVER CANADA On Sunday, August 18, 2002, eyewitness Brenda N. and her neighbours witnessed a UFO over Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. "It was right in front of my house. I watched it for as long as I could see it. It was flying really low, and it was so bright. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It took me about two hours to come away from my window and stop looking. I just keep expecting something to happen." "It was almost rectangle-shaped, but I heard the next day that someone else had seen it, and it was a triangle. So, I thought, maybe I was seeing the back of it, and the (other) woman was seeing from under it. It was flying about as high as a helicopter would fly, and was going by really slow. It had no sound coming from it." "An elderly friend said he heard on CBC Radio that a few people had reported it, including the woman who said it was triangle-shaped, and he also said that a policeman had reported it, too." On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 9:42 p.m., skywatcher John Lyle was outdoors near Circle Drive and Provincial Highway 16 in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada, when he spotted something odd near the constellation Sagittarius. "I was viewing the constellation Sagittarius and an asterium called 'the Coathanger' using 7.25X binoculars with a field of view of about 6.8 degrees," John reported, "Right through my field (of view), covering an easy 3 degrees or more, this V-shaped craft, covered around the perimeter with faint lights (12 to 20 of them- -J.L.), went rather quickly, covering two degrees per second or more. I followed it for a total of 10 seconds before it passed over my rooftop. Dark silhouette, faint lights on the perimeter, a wide V or boomerang-shaped object. Lights dim and soft. As I did not want to lose sight of it, I did not try to observe it without the binocs, as I was afraid of (1) losing it, or (2) was doubtful whether the lights could be seen with the naked eye. No sound noticeable or traffic noise." "Assuming a 200-foot (60-meter) wingspan, height (altitude) can be estimated at 3,800 feet (1,140 meters). From the angle of observation (58 degrees--J.L.) this gives a ground speed of only 130 miles per hour (208 kilometers per hour) if moving at two degrees per second." (Email Form Reports) UFO FLOTILLA SIGHTED IN NORTH CAROLINA Last week a couple spotted a flotilla of hovering UFOs in their hometown of Carolina Beach, North Carolina (population 4,701), a beach community on Highway 421 about 10 miles (16 kilometers) south of Wilmington, N.C. "My wife and I live near Carolina Beach, N.C.," the male witness reported, "We decided to go outside, since it was the first real cool night in a while. I went down with a cup of coffee on the back patio, sighed and slumped down in my chair. When I looked up, I was a little startled to see several fairly bright lights in the sky at a 45-degree angle to the north of our home." "At first, I thought, Helicopters... But after watching closely for about 15 minutes, they never moved. In fact, the thought of spotlights came to my mind. But I discarded that theory when I realized that the lights were above a fairly heavy cloud cover. The reason I know this is that there was a 'halo' effect around each light." "The moon was to the south, almost full, also with a large halo. Clear examination of the phenomenon revealed that the lights formed an almost perfect square. My first indication was that they were near some object. But because of the clouds, I couldn't tell whether I was seeing four separate objects or one large object. My wife suggested I get my camera. I did." "I took several photos, all of them disappointing, with the digital camera. I tried taking an .MPG series but when I viewed it, the lights did not show up. I managed to get a tripod and take exposures varying from 1 to 8 seconds on F2. The picutres showed the lights, but they had a blue cast because of the low light. I took the pictures and downloaded them on my computer, then enhanced one of them in Photoshop to lighten it. The trees then showed up, and the lights took on a more realistic appearance." (Many thanks to Canadian ufologist Brian Vike for this report.) BLACK HELICOPTERS REVISIT REHOBOTH Black helicopters returned to Rehoboth, Massachusetts (population 7,600) twice near the end of August 2002. On Monday, August 29, 2002, in the morning, "two black helicopters flew over, heading from the Cape (i.e. Cape Cod, Mass.--J.T.) to Providence (Rhode Island)," or from east to west. On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, "the black helicopters were non-stop," the eyewitnesses reported. UFO Roundup correspondent Mary Lou Jones-Drown added, "Four people asked me if I noticed it. And even my mom noticed it. I was wondering what was going on myself. All of the witnesses saw the helicopters flying way up...even at night. You could see their headlights." Rehoboth, Mass. is on Routes 44 and 118 about 30 miles (48 kilometers) south of Boston. (Many thanks to Mary Lou Jones-Drown for this report.) READER FEEDBACK: STRANGE BIRDS FIRST SEEN IN MEXICO DURING 1996 Mexican ufologist and TV host Jaime Maussan writes, "I read your report from R.W. in Austria. (See UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 35 for August 27, 2002, "A strange tale from the Vienna Woods," page 5.) I have a photo from 1996, from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, with a bird exactly like that. It was taken when we had an attack, on a nationwide scale, of the so-called 'Chupacabras.' I always believed the Chupacabra is real and not necessarily related to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. If you want the photo, please let me know." DID THE CABAL FRAME THE ALIENS FOR THE KILLINGS IN INDIA? Lori Cordini writes, "How convenient! The 'UFO killings' smells like cabal to me. (See UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 34 for August 20, 2002, "Seven killed by a UFO in northern India," page 1.) I have yet to engage in any--and I mean ANY--negative intentions by our Star Visitors. But I have had experience with the covert 'military' and cabal intentions, and that has never been positive. So figure out who I think might be behind it?" From the UFO Files... 1783: UFOs OVER ENGLAND While the general public tends to think of UFOs as a relatively modern phenomenon--only 55 years old--the majority of ufologists are aware that there have been waves of UFO sightings throughout recorded history. One such flap took place in the late Eighteenth Century, at the end of the War of the American Revolution. And it has been superbly researched and documented by UK historian Robert Halliday. The UFO cases were "reported in The Bury Post, a weekly newspaper that started publication the previous year (1782) in the market town of Bury St. Edmunds," Suffolk, UK "and circulated in Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire." "The Bury Post devoted considerable coverage to the meteor sightings between 21 August and 4 September 1783; although this expression is not really satisfactory, for even at the time it was generally agreed that the sightings didn't correspond with conventional meteors, and few people suggested that this is what they were." "The description of the meteor's passage over "The White Horse Inn, five miles (8 kilometers) from Bury, on the road to Newmarket," first appeared in The Bury Post on 28 August 1783. The White Horse Inn stands just south of the village of Risby, although it was bypassed when the main Bury St. Edmunds-to-Newmarket road was rerouted in 1975." "Another account was quoted from Bury St. Edmunds. Between 9 and 10 p.m., a ball of light was seen on the north horizon approaching Angel Hill, one of the main public squares. After 30 seconds it discharged into smaller lights and broke into three glowing balls, all of equal size to the original. Passing southwards, these disappeared after 40 seconds (the horizon being restricted by buildings--R.H.) A minute or two later, a rumbling noise was heard. A boy drawing water from a well in the cellar of a house on Angel Hill heard rumbling below the water at the same time." (Editor's Comment: Next question--how did the site get the name "Angel Hill?" Were unusual entities seen there in the distant past?) "The Bury Post's representative for Thetford, Norfolk (whose population in 1780 was about 2,000--J.T.) was standing on the town bridge at about 9:15 p.m. when the structure shook under him. His description of what happened next is quoted verbatim:" "'About a minute after, perceived in the northwest something resembling the moon, which appeared to rise out from a cloud. This fiery meteor proceeded in a semicircular form (path or trajectory--J.T.), in a very rapid state towards southeast when it disappeared. At first appearance it seemed like so many stars proceeding from a skyrocket, but much larger; just before it descended, it appeared twenty yards in length and separated itself into particles resembling small cones, about the size of a turkey's egg.'" (Editor's Comment: Sounds like an alien starship self- destructing beyond Earth's atmosphere, and the passengers and crew taking to the escape pods.) "'The atmosphere was so much illuminated that he could see to take up a pin; several persons found their houses and the earth much agitated; he supposed it to be a small shock of an earthquake.'" "Another light was seen at Ixworth, six miles (10 kilometers) northeast of Bury St. Edmunds. Ixworth is a large village, with a population of 827 in the 1801 Census, and the meteor's passage seems to have been observed by the entire community. The Bury Post's description of the events at Ixworth reads:" "'About moon-rising, a fiery meteor made its appearance, moving very slow, so as nearly to brush the tops of the houses, in a direction from north to south (leaving a long train of flame in its passage--R.H.) and seemed to grow larger as it proceeded; but whilst over the village appeared to the many who viewed it with great amazement, to be as large as a bushel measure, and the light occasioned thereby, was so great that a pin might have been taken from the ground at the instant. Those who were on the southerly side of the village saw it burst in pieces over a meadow there; forming the appearance of many stars falling. This phenomenon was followed by a rumbling noise in the air, seemingly very low, and was heard for some moments by great numbers, and at the same time, many windows were observed to shake.'" (See Fortean Times No. 155 for March 2002, "Fireballs of 1783," page 55.) That's it for this week. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Spellbound By The Signs Of Our Time From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:03:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:03:40 -0400 Subject: Spellbound By The Signs Of Our Time http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=3D84282&comman= d=3DdisplayContent&sourceNode=3D84281&contentPK=3D2505339 Spellbound By The Signs Of Our Time 11:06 - 03 September 2002 On July 12, 1990, the people of a tiny West community awoke to find their lives changed forever. A new book, Secrets In The Fields, sheds light on how Pewsey Vale coped with its sudden fame and how the area is still mesmerised by crop circles. Barry Leighton reports. DURING the early hours of July 12, 1990, a loud rumbling like distant thunder shook the normally serene village of Alton Barnes. Moments later the incessant barking of dogs reverberated throughout the sleepy rural community in Wiltshire's Pewsey Vale. At 2.30am concerned farm manager Tim Carson decided to check on his animals in the field to see if anything was amiss. As he patrolled the East field he became aware of an indistinct shape which seemed to have appeared in the wheat . When daylight broke Mr Carson was astonished to discover the imprint of a vast and complex pattern in his crop. Corn circles had previously appeared in and around Wiltshire and in recent times some intriguing designs had materialised, but nothing quite like the incredible 606-footlong Alton Barnes Pictogram had been seen anywhere in the world. The collection of circles, rings, boxes and tridents were all connected by two straight avenues. To complicate the matter 12 "grape shot" lay in the middle of the standing crop between the tram lines. Surely, no group of pranksters armed with planks and ropes could have created such an intricate work within a few hours in the dead of night. Author and crop patterns expert Freddy Silva said: "The formation carried an unusual type of energy because a power surge of unknown origin had left the local car batteries dead. "Significantly, one villager told a local newspaper reporter how he'd tried to walk into the formation at daybreak but had been repelled by an invisible energy field. "In fact when Tim Carson later escorted a television team into the crop formation, he witnessed first-hand how the crew had to keep their equipment outside the circle. "Every time they crossed the perimeter electromagnetic interference played havoc with the recording equipment." The event sent shockwaves throughout the media and quickly altered the daily lives of Alton Barnes residents. Instead of living in a quiet rural backwater their quaint village located between Swindon and Salisbury became the focus for a phenomenon which - 12 years later - still fascinates and intrigues millions of people. Wiltshire-based Mr Silva says the event "quickly established the concept of crop circles in the minds of millions around the world". He said: "At last a crop circle event made the headlines of the international news. "Articles in major newspapers enabled photos to traverse the globe, beckoning tens of thousands of people from as far away as Japan to descend in a kind of pilgrimage upon rural Wiltshire. "Public and media confidence in official explanations evaporated as crop circle fever broke out. "Inside the Alton Barnes Pictogram even traditional British reserve melted as strangers of different classes and backgrounds conversed cheerfully with one another. "Some even danced in and around the circles. The place turned into an impromptu carnival." Mr Silva claims "thousands felt as if a burden had been lifted off their shoulders, yet nobody had the slightest idea why". Bizarrely, a similar pattern appeared in a second field only one mile away on the very same night. Mr Silva said the farmer who was busy harvesting the ripe crop said he'd had previous encounters with the phenomenon but never on a scale like this. The farmer said: "It wasn't there when I drove down here last evening but appeared here during the night." Crop circle mania swept the world as increasingly elaborate patterns sprang up, mostly in Wiltshire and the West country, in the wake of the Alton Barnes Pictogram. MrSilva said: "One can only wonder what was running through the minds of the authorities as the reserved British public continued to react with zest. Carloads of families swarmed narrow lanes to catch a glimpse of new events." After more than a decade of research, Mr Silva has published Secrets In The Fields - a lavishly illustrated 320-page tome described by some as the definitive study on crop for mations. It has received some rave reviews in the United States where crop circle mania is currently at a peak. Its publication there coincides with the release of Signs, a Hollywood blockbuster starring Mel Gibson, which focuses on the crop circle phenomenon and took 120million dollars - around =A380million - during its first three weeks. Mr Silva has worked as an art director, writer and photographer - primarily in graphic design - and describes himself as a "lifelong student in earth mysteries". Thanks to http://anomalist.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Tunguska Explosion New Hypothesis From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:31:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:31:37 -0400 Subject: Tunguska Explosion New Hypothesis http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deepimpact-02q.html New Hypothesis Of The Tunguska Explosion So What Did Whack Us? Novosibirsk - Sept 2, 2002 A geologist from Novosibirsk has set up a new hypothesis of the explosion in Podkamennaya Tunguska, which took place on June 30, 1908. It was not a meteorite that caused such extensive destructions and conflagration, but a fluid jet, which had shot up under high pressure from the interior of the Earth. The event which occurred almost a hundred years ago in Podkamennaya Tunguska has drawn scientists' attention again. What actually exploded at that time in the remote taiga, the power of explosion being equal to the 50-megaton H-bomb? The hypothesis that it was a meteorite or any other extraterrestrial object has not quite satisfied inquisitive minds, since too many puzzles remain unsolved. A geologist Vladimir Epifanov, Siberian Research Institute of Geology, Geophysics and Mineral, reported to the recent Conference "Degasification of the Earthe" (Moscow) that the reason for the explosion could have been a powerful fluid jet suddenly shot up from the depth of the planet. Extensive carbohydrates accumulations exist in the area where the alleged 'Tunguska meteorite' fell down. Two abyssal breaks in this area split the sedimentary rock containing the gas-and- oil fields and gas-condensate fields sealed up by basalts on top, the basalts streamed from multiple fissures and volcanoes 200 million years ago. The epicentre of the explosion is located just above one of the ancient craters. The scientist assumes that the gases associated with the oil deposits, and methane produced in the depths of coal beds were accumulated under a thick cover of basalts and then they broke free one day. It seems that a moderate earthquake could have promoted the process. The gas kick started nine days prior to the major explosion, a narrow jet of gases rushed up southbound. The fluid jet from under the earth was accompanied by dust, and the wind carried the dust to the west. In the upper layers of atmosphere a layer of aerosols was formed. This layer charged with electricity could have produced the fatal 'sparkle'. It put on fire the top of the liquid jet, and the fire ball rushed towards the Earth. In the oxygen saturated layer of atmosphere the fire ball exploded, the blast wave stirred up the ground, and the gas discharge ceased. The conflagration was in full swing in the area of explosion, however the trees in the epicentre remained alive. An ice dome was probably formed around the place where from the gas discharged, similar to that as it gets formed in a refrigerator when the gas goes through a narrow opening and then gets into a large chamber. It is interesting to note that the local carbohydrates are rich in helium, which could have ensured the H-bomb effect. Vladimir Epifanov is perplexed by some circumstances of the Tunguska catastrophe, the extraterrestrial hypothesis being unable to account for them. For instance, not all the trees in the epicentre got burned. Judging by the strength of the blast wave, radiation burn, pine-tree mutations and other parameters, the event resembles the H-bomb explosion, except for high radiation. The motion path of the exploded body is such that it could hardly be a spaceship or a meteorite, the substance of which has never been found in the soil. All these facts have made the scientist think about an earthly nature of the explosion, particularly because such conjectures were made more than once by researchers in different years. Thus, in the middle of the 80s A.A. Rastegin, geologist from Novosibirsk, pointed out that the epicentre of the explosion was indeed located above a major gas accumulation. --- Thanks to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:21:34 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 06:36:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 >Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors >Having followed the List for several months, I have the >following rhetorical questions: >I don't understand why John Rimmer, editor of a Fortean >magazine, is so against the study of "Unidentified Flying >Objects," which is a type of Fortean subject. Seems kinda funny >somehow. I mean, why would a person who has such a distaste for >anyone who studies the subject, would be so attached to a >subject they dislike so much and why, if he's so anti-UFOlogy, >does he produce a Fortean Magazine? >Further, I don't understand why a person, such as Bob Young, has >such a morbid facination with a subject he doesn't believe >should be studied by anyone. >Why do these guys seem to have all the pat answers and nobody >else are allowed to come to their own conclusions? >What is the psychological basis that such people would huff and >puff on a List devoted to the study of "Unidentified Flying >Objects?" Need to feel important and omnipotent? Deep fear of >the unknown? Insatiable desire to dominate others and the >subject at hand? A conspiracy to take over EBK's List? >The mind boggles. The incessant drone numbs. >Wendy Connors >(Who gave up Ufology and began to study the abberant behavior of >the Negativists on the UFO UpDates List.) =========================== Here are my impressions: In my humble opinion, one of the answers lies in the same behaviour often seen on Usenet - at least, in some forums: What you sometimes see in some groups (if you're unfortunate enough to read it or receive it) is just socially retarded, juvenile behaviour which has probably been around for thousands of years, but which didn't have the outlet for "expression" we see today with the computer and the Internet. And the age of the writer has nothing to do with it; maturity is the governing factor. From what I've seen in some Usenet forums, many immature types would *much* rather argue and be highly disruptive - destructive - than carry on a half-intelligent, civil conversation. In the olden days, if important - even puzzling - subjects were discussed, adults would sit around and converse - maybe even argue. But the kids would either not be present, or not be allowed to join in unless they behaved. The Internet has allowed "the kids" to join in discussions in which they don't belong. Some of them act like brats. When told to be quiet, they become louder. When ordered to their rooms, they become explosive. Their issues and interests have nothing at all to do with the subject being discussed: It's their own egos which are the hidden subject, and they use groups like this in an unconscious attempt to work out their pysco-social problems, by interacting with "the adults". If the adults take them seriously, they grow up. However, since their positions are so ridiculous and their demands so obnoxious and wearying and tiresome ("Show me all your proof - do my research for me"), it's difficult to take them seriously or deal with them on an adult level, and so they remain at their retarded emotional levels. They believe in the "David and Goliath" scenario: Someday, little David will strike down big Goliath with his Rubik's cube of tight logic, and *then* they'll see.... That day almost *never* arrives (in real life), but little David continues to swing his slingshot at "them"... The "Seth Shostek" types are a bit different (I don't recall seeing him on this List): After seeing him on television a few times, debunking anything and everything with the most far- fetched, silly, childish, ignorant arguments imaginable, I have the feeling the poor baby is afraid of something, and should always carry an umbrella and a teddy bear with him. He's not a juvenile disruptor at all, and does not seem to be socially retarded. But that man is living in fear and looking for some kind of reassurance, so he won't go tumbling, helter-skelter off a cliff into the fearsome unknown. There's fear and apprehension in his face and his voice, from what I've seen. Aside from his activity in CSICOP, I'll give you my heretical impression of Phil Klass. I was absolutely amazed, one time a few years ago, when I saw Phil debating UFOs with someone (Kevin Randle?) on a television program, to see him apparently transform himself from a "wacko" to a "gentleman" as soon as he had the opportunity. His arguments were complete nonsense, of course, but when he'd finished speaking, he seemed to act like a genuine, polite, gracious gentleman... (I don't recall the program or the details). Therefore, my impression was that Phil is a man on someone's payroll, doesn't believe a word he says, believes he's doing this for a good cause (plus some money), and at least makes an attempt to not pulverize or highly antagonize his opponent out of civility. I may be way out in left field on this one, and I almost never read CSICOP literature, but that's the impression I was left with from that program. (There are more anti-UFO types, but they don't visit this forum and are not disruptive. I used to know a quiet, mild-mannered, rather controlled fellow who was, apparently, bright in some ways, good at math, a college grad, yet was the most naiive person I've ever met. UFOs? Let's discuss something real, not figments... He was not sure if OJ Simpson really did it, saying there wasn't conclusive proof, and Fuhrman probably planted that glove anyway... He believed that everyone who lives in a certain part of Idaho must be a Commie pinko... He was a horrible observer of detail, and assumed everyone else was too... His grasp of human nature was nearly nonexistent, etc. One day at work he actually went berserk, shouting obscenities at no one in particular, in an otherwise quiet office with hundreds of people able to hear him... He was let go a few weeks later...). These are my impressions. Dave Morton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:40:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:33:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:14:58 EDT >Subject: Re: Video Confirms UFO Presence at FIDAE 2002 Chile >Any frames from this video available for us to take a look at? Hi Bob The whole video is on Terra.cl but the link appears to be broken :-( I'll see if I can cut and paste the link so people can go directly to what I've found. --Scott "You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." --Obi-Wan Kenobi to Darth Vader, SW:ANH (1977)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil From: Fern Belzil <fbelzil@telusplanet.net> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:13:35 -0600 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 05:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Sighting Of My Own - Belzil >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:31:00 -0400 >Subject: Sighting Of My Own >Hi List, >On Sunday night I had an interesting sighting of my own. Caught >me flat footed. Since I can't even access my own website to post >a drawing I created anyone who wants to have a look at it will >have to contact me directly and I'll send the attachment. Hi Don: Please send me the attachment of what you saw on Sunday night. I have never seen a UFO. In my mutilation investigations, you would be amazed of the things that some of the ranchers tell me about what they have seen, and strange happenings the night of the mutilation. My findings make me wonder if maybe there is an Alien connection. We are making progress. Thank you. Fernand Belzil St Paul, Alberta Canada
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:07:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:35:16 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:41:39 EDT >Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >I read your post, I thought carefully, and it recounts the >various sightings at different times. Did anybody describe any >objects _at_any_one_time_ as moving across the sky? Bob; In my questioning the witness about this, he did inform that he observed the object move gradually from one point to another and from 'left to right' at one point to another which, he said, occurred within about a 2-minute period. Also, the primary witness, his wife and the reporter inform that the police officer did observe the alleged UFO. I did not speak with the officer directly but the department would not acknowledge his being an eyewitness to the event. When told of this, the main witness drove to the department to approach the police headquarters about this and the duty officer said he hadn't been briefed by the officer in the field and told him that as far as he knew, the officer simply 'didn't file a report.' And by the way, there has been another UFO sighting report from this area on August 30th and this one was from a truck driver. The truck driver was traveling east on Route 422 near Ebensburg, PA when he spotted a strange circle of lights in the sky. The trucker's wife filed the report on his behalf, saying: "They were a ring of steady white lights with a light in the center, the formation was about the size of a nickel held at arm's length. The sighting occurred sometime between 5 and 5:30 on Friday, August 30. Contact info has been passed to a researcher in this area and a report is pending. Seems that quite a few folks in this one particular region have a sudden problem of recent with these darn stars. Clear and undistorted, non-phenomenal, non-scintillating and non-turbulant atmospheric conditions, KENNY
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Link to Chilean Video From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:49:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:38:20 -0400 Subject: Link to Chilean Video http://www.terra.cl/multimedia/canales.cfm?categoria=753&id_video=186278 The link pasted to this e-mail should lead anyone interested * directly * to the video of the FIDAE air show. If this doesn't work, please accept my apologies. Scott Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 D2003 Media Announcement - September 4 From: Stephen Bassett <Disclosure2003@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:42:27 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:45:01 -0400 Subject: D2003 Media Announcement - September 4 D I S C L O S U R E 2 0 0 3 MD 8th District Congressional Campaign of Stephen Bassett Media Announcement - September 4 (To: combined D2003/X-PPAC/PRG mail lists) Bethesda, MD - Stephen Bassett, independent candidate for congress in the 8th District of Maryland will appear on Fox News Channel's Fox Report with Shepard Smith today, September 4, between 3:30 pm and 4 pm EST. http://www.foxnews.com/foxreport/ Fox News and Fox Entertainment have consistently been out in front of the issues surrounding the "politics of disclosure" and extraterrestrial related phenomena. Bassett will discuss the Disclosure2003 campaign and the importance of ending the government imposed truth embargo. _________________________________________________ Transparent government, private citizenry _________________________________________________ Campaign Headquarters Bethesda/Gaithersburg 4938 Hampden Lane, #161 Bethesda, MD 20814 Phone: 301-990-4290 Fax: 301-990-1099 Email: Disclosure2003@aol.com Website: www.disclosure2003.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:36:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 >Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday ><snip> >Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down >under? Hi Jim, If you mean a hot air balloon, yes we do, but they don't operate in this area. But you most likely mean a tethered, helium one like: http://www.nbc4.com/technology/1576797/detail.html To me, that would be a blimp, if so yes, we do see them occasionally for advertising etc. But this was not that shape! I may have described it badly by saying it was oblong. Perhaps elliptical is more descriptive? I just held a CD up horizontally at 45 degrees and that's about the shape of it! I'll try to draw it later. I called the Cairns International Airport Air Traffic Controllers today, they say nothing anomalous showed on radar & they have received no other reports. He said the position is consistent with the international flight path for incoming traffic. He said it was probably a jet coming at me head on, but I told him the profile was all wrong for an aircraft. They could not give out flight arrival times, as CASA has to authorize that. I have called the AUFORN 1800 number to report it and left a message on the recorder but they haven't contacted me yet. I drove down to the sight today, it is actually Trinity Beach, which is a few kilometers before Palm Cove. There are no water sports companies etc. operating on this beach. I asked a few shop keepers, waitresses etc. If there were any sightings or aerial activities etc. on the weekend. Nobody had seen or heard anything, so I left a contact number with a few people, who said they'd call if they heard any gossip etc. I got close to the hill that the object seemed to be along side of, along with a few houses, there is also a water tank about halfway up it. Presumably that's the townships water supply. Tomorrow I thought I'd contact the council's water management people to see if consumption of the tank is measured in anyway. Wouldn't it be strange if the tank had been sucked dry on Sat & Sun? There is a construction site near the hill, so I asked a workman if the site had been operating on the weekend but he didn't know as he was only delivering concrete. I asked him if builders used inflatable kevlar bags or anything like that these days. He said he'd never heard of that before! He advised I see the Foreman, but I couldn't bring myself to ask as I'd copped enough ridicule for one day! One girl had burst out laughing, then started treating me like an intellectually handicapped person. I did speak to a South African Hippie Dude living near the hill, who promised to ask around for me. He told me he'd had a close encounter with a huge craft in Durban SA, which was witnessed by 28 people in total from various vantage points. He said he wasn't really scared, though he felt shocked & distressed later. Also, my neighbor heard the radio news that I previously mentioned. She said it was actually at Gordonvale, which is much closer to Cairns than Innisvale. It was witnessed by many students at the Primary School there. Regards, Dave.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:43:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 >>Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>It appears that UFO sightings are on the rise again. We recently >>had the return of the Bubba UFO. Bubba is known as a red UFO >>that frequently visited Gulf Breeze, Fl, 150+ times and Gilbert, >>AZ close to 30 times now. >Hi, Tom: >What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? Hi Bob, Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the same object. It does have most of the same properties of the Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. 1. It's red. 2. It keeps coming back time after time. 3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. 4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. 5. It seems to want alot of attention. After all those sightings in Florida they couldn't solve what it was. We had the same frustration as they did. It seems like no matter what cameras or telescopes you use you still can't get an answer that everyone will be happy with. If the sightings continue I'll pick up right were I left off a 1 1/2 years ago. A helicopter flight to fly close is the only thing I haven't tried yet. I have doubts that will work as I have video of Bubba disappearing as aircraft approaches and lights back up after the aircraft leaves. Tom
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:25:02 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:32:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Gates >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 >>Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>It appears that UFO sightings are on the rise again. We recently >>had the return of the Bubba UFO. Bubba is known as a red UFO >>that frequently visited Gulf Breeze, Fl, 150+ times and >Gilbert, >>AZ close to 30 times now. >Hi, Tom: >What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? Bob, Tom, Probably more accuratly the characterization should have been something along the lines of "a UFO that was _similar_ to Bubba..... Bottom line is while it may be similar or identical we don't actually know that it is the "same one." Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:20:38 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:38:11 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:09:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:03:09 +0200 >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:41:17 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>>From: Steve Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> >>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:10:20 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >><snip> >Hi Gildas, <snip> >We're talking about a podiatrist that has performed (or had >someone else perform) many surgeries in order to recover >assorted and sundry objects from the bodies of abductee >volunteers. Allegedly, so that these same objects can be studied >and the results disseminated via publication in peer review >journals/periodicals. >That is what everyone was told by Sims/Leir when they first went >public with their intentions. Neither of them have delivered on >any of their 'promises.' I don't think that our discussion about >their failure to do what they said they were going to do, can >fairly be characterized as "hard criticism." Hello, John, and List Thank you for all your information on Dr Leir's implants analyses, published in 1996. In the case of the studies made through Nids, it seems that the right of publication or non-publications belongs to Nids. Let's quote here what Roger Leir said about that in his book "The Aliens and the Scalpel", published in 1998 He detailed the initial requests of Robert Bigelow to Leir and Sims, for an agreement (pp141 and 142): "One of the most important of these was a request from him not to divulge who was working on these implant specimens. In the beginning, he emphasized that not even NIDS was to be mentioned. In addition, he requested that we keep confidential the names of the laboratories they were using for the tests. This request turned out to be one of the easier parts of the bargain to keep because they did not tell us to whom they sent the samples. The third part of our arrangement was a request for us not to release or publish any analysis results until we received clearance from NIDS. At that point they would also advise us as to where they thought it should be published. "These points were difficult to agree to, but Derrel and I carefully weighed them against the benefits Bigelow offered: - An unlimited supply of funds for the project at hand - The use of the world's finest laboratory facilities - A quality of testing which could not be surpassed - Peer review by the NIDS board, which included some of the finest scientific minds in the United States - The possibility of having an article published in a scientific journal." Another interesting aspect of the story, as told by Dr Leir, is that both Bigelow and Colonel Alexander were very eager to make an agreement. When Leir first contacted Colonel Alexander, on advice of his cousin Kenneth Ring who knew him as a scientific researcher, "a brillant scientists who had worked with him in the NDE field" (p 87), he reacted promptly. Alexander and Bigelow called Leir at 7 am to ask him to come with Sims to Las Vegas! After that agreement, what happened? Three surgeries had been done already, before the Nids agreement, in 1995 and 1996. Nids funded the following surgeries, and laboratory tests for several implants found. After the first tests were made, Bigelow asked Leir his agreement for a quick publication in the MUFON UFO Journal, but Leir considered that they should wait for more complete tests. He was aiming at a scientific publication (p 175). However the first article, signed by Dr Leir, appeared in the April 1996 issue of the Mufon UFO Journal. A second one, more detailed, was published in the issue of June 1998. The same year, Leir published his book, presenting the 8 surgeries performed from 1995 to 1998. It seems that NIDS was not in full agreement with the book since there is a sticker on the first page saying: "The contents, views and opinions of this book reflect the author and are not those of the Bigelow Foundation of NIDS". But Bigelow did pay for the printing (perhaps before reading it ?). One thing is sure: NIDS has not respected the last term of the initial agreement, a publication in a peer reviewed scientific journal. Regarding the tests paid by NIDS, I doubt that either Leir or Sims can use them on their own for such a publication. Besides, they had apparently little information about the tests done at Los Alamos. On the other hand, Leir gives a lot of information on biological tests in his book (see Appendix 1: "Biological Analysis Reports", pages 194 to 212). What about new surgeries ? The ninth surgery, performed on Tim Cullen in February 2000, is clearly out of the NIDS agreement. Leir has presented it in several conferences, notably Laughlin, March 2000, and MUFON Symposium of July 2001. I have the text published in the proceedings of the MUFON Symposium of 2001. In it, Leir mentions new tests being done with excellent equipments at Digital Instruments Inc., in Santa Barbara, California. He mentions outstanding equipments called Atomic Force Microscope, and Atomic Field Microscope. According to him, "further studies were done by another world- class laboratory in Texas. They revealed that the iron core was "amorphous". "What amazed all the scientists was that this amorphous iron was highly magnetic. They explained to me that we have no such process for accomplishing this feat". The way it looks now, Dr Leir could probably look for a scientific publication, based on these new results, independant from Nids. I intend to ask him if he has plans for that now. But I suspect it is not an easy project. >>I said in my previous message (August 30), that some analyses >>of his implants have been published, two of them through Nids. I >>made a mistake when I wrote that they were not on the Nids site >>anymore. They still are, at : >>http://www.nidsci.org/articles/metal/metal.html >>Please read my other message for more details. >>BTW, do you know these analyses, and have you read >>the book of Dr Leir ? >I'm very familiar with them. They have been posted (by myself) >first at the old Intruders Foundation website (when I was >webmaster) and now at the Abduction Information Center. It is >posted there along with several critiques of the methods used by >NIDS. From people who are very knowledgeable about such analysis >and testing methods. The critiques of the methods employed by >NIDS were pretty harsh. It must always be remembered that NIDS >is not an 'independent' organization. It is the private property >and dedicated UFO investigation arm of citizen Bob Bigelow. I have read these critics with interest, although I am not a scientific graduate. I have a simple remark on the first one, made by an electronic engineer, Peter Martin (message on UFO Updates of 17 Sep 1996, "Technical Analysis of Implants"). He says that to use a Digital Multimeter on an implant was likely to destroy its delicate circuitry if there was one. If he is right, it was indeed a clumsy test. However, the metallurgist of New Mexico Lab was not informed of the special nature of the fragment he had to study. Could not this explain that? Another critic, Mark Cashman, (UFO UpDates, same date) notes that "The result of the analysis seems to indicate a lack of internal structure to the implant" and he suggest that a series of test should have been done to determine that. But, in the articles and in the book of Dr Leir, there are clear indications about an internal metallic structure ("T" shaped) in certain implants (the metallic ones). See the X-ray image of Patricia's foot, p 99. In short, there is already more information available today than in 1996. >Why hasn't any _independent_ and reputable medical institution >published the test/analysis results of _any_ of these many >objects? Are we ever going to see the results of such tests >published in any medical journals? In any peer review journals? >Honest questions Gildas, not 'harsh criticism'. There is another question we should ask ourselves here. Do you think, John, that it would be easy to have such a publication in a good medical journal, after a study made by a "reputable medical institution" ? I am afraid it is still out of reach today, even in the United States (in France, don't think about it). The admission of the alien nature of an implant would be like throwing a tremendous bomb, and I don't see anybody ready to lunch it in the scientific world today. This reminds me of the bizarre story of the Richard Price alleged implant, studied during about five years by the reputed physicist David Pritchard, of MIT. After having mentioned its metallic nature at the beginning, he finally diagnosed a... cotton fiber (see "Alien Discussions". Proceedings ot the Alien Study Conference", at MIT in 1992, pp 279 to 295). Dr Leir himself, with his own publications, got into deep trouble in 1999. Just remember the scenario: Publication of his book in 1998. An operation filmed by NBC in August 1998, and shown publicly in February 1999 (NBC special "Confirmation"). Publication, at about the same time, of a first paperback version of his book. Then the sky fell upon him. In a second version of this book, published in 2000 (see on his website), Leir tells part of the story. On April 23, Leir received an advice of the California Medical Board which dug an old, forgotten complaint made ten years before, and put him on probation during three years. It appeared that the complainant had died five years before, and that the hospital where the surgery had taken place had been closed for seven years, with no records available ! Incidentally, Leir and Sims split at the same time (April 26). In May 1999, Leir had a heart attack, due to stress according to the doctors. In June, Derrel Sims made an appeal for help, especially financial help becauce Roger Leir was in trouble with heavy medical bills and no income. Fortunately, Leir made it through. He was able to come to the Leeds Conference in September 1999, where I met him. He told me he had well recovered, and that his medical probation had been stopped. >I've done better than just read Leir's book, I have gotten to >know, personally, three of his post surgical clients. Sometimes >it's better to get the information right from the horse's mouth. <snip> >I have met three who aren't quite as 'pleased' as Tim. It seems to me that here you say too much or not enough. What kind of critics did they have against him? Regards, Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:09:18 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:40:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:53:22 EDT >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:59:18 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:03:39 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Hall >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:32:08 +0000 >>>Dick: >>>It has been claimed by skeptics of this famous photo case that >>>in the second picture the UFO seemed to be upside down. This was >>>apparently first noted by the U.S. Naval attache who examined >>>the negatives. >>>I am shocked that in the research of this incident for your two >>>voluminous works you never mentioned this long-known evidence >>>which suggests a hoax picture. >>>Obviously, you never bothered to read old Doc Menzel's thrashing >>>of this incident. >>Bob, >>Wow, what an over-powering argument: "It has been claimed by >>skeptics...." I'm crushed. You seem to be unaware that I >>corresponded with Menzel personally on this case, in fact called >>his attention to it. >Dick: >What does this have to do with anything, except to further >demonstrate your, well, apparent unfamiliarity with the details >of this famous fraud. >>Citations please? Sauce for the goose.... >Dick: >1) See yourself, above: >>>>I don't even know what you are talking about here. Newspapers >>>>often invert images, if that's what you mean. >2) "The Navy's [Brazilian] study of the negatives revealed >several dubious features. The details of the land in the >foreground were very sharp but the UFO disk was hazy, showed >little contrast, and was essentially without shadows. The >object in Frame 2 seemed to have been inverted, as compared with >Frames 1 and 3." (The World of Flying Saucers - A scientific >examination of a major myth of the space age, by Donald H. >Menzel and Lyle G. Boyd, Doubleday & Company, Garden City, New >York, 1963, p. 215.) >Honk, honk, honk [goose circling] >Bob Young Bob, Looks more like a Pelican to me. Thanks for reminding me of the Menzel (& Boyd) book's account of the Trindade Isle case, which I have now re-read. It remains just as cockeyed today as it was when I first read it 35 years ago. Anyone who admires both Klass and Menzel must surely be fond of pseudoscience, because those two were the greatest practitioners of it among skeptibunkers. Funny that Menzel (selectively) cites a bunch of newspaper stories, which we "believers" are not allowed to do. His primary citation is "Air Force files", which contain nothing but speculation and supposition, not facts and science on the case. As for, "The Navy's study of the negatives revealed several dubious features" (p. 215), what is his citation for that very important statement/allegation? None whatsoever! "Frame 3, the only one showing the Saturn-like shape..." (p. 214) an absolutely false statement. The full, clear photos can be seen on Fran Ridge's NICAP web site, along with a lot of documentation. The Saturn-shape is clearly visible in all. And there is no "inverted" image. Astoundingly, Menzel/Boyd has managed to do away with all the independent witnesses. That, of course, is only possible by selective citation of newspaper quotes (among other sources) and ignoring many of the specific comments to the contrary, some of which I have cited on this List. Murky skies, clear thinking, Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:22:44 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:42:49 -0400 Subject: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests If you know of an FOIA request that has been rejected for any reason (other than National Security), please advise me at: steve@konsulting.com This request should relate to the UFO field and efforts may be undertaken to pursue it further. Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts on this. Steve Kaeser
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:27:02 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:44:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hall >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 >>Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>It appears that UFO sightings are on the rise again. We recently >>had the return of the Bubba UFO. Bubba is known as a red UFO >>that frequently visited Gulf Breeze, Fl, 150+ times and Gilbert, >>AZ close to 30 times now. >Hi, Tom: >What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? Bob, Two minds that [rarely] think as one. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Filer's Files #36 - 2002 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:06:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:45:57 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #36 - 2002 FILER'S FILES #36 - 2002, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Director Mutual UFO Network Eastern September 4, 2002, Majorstar@aol.com. Webmaster: Chuck Warren - My new website is at http//:www.filersfiles-ufo.com. UFO SIGHTINGS CONTINUE HIGH AROUND THE WORLD: The purpose of these files is to report the UFO eye witness and photo/video evidence that occurs on a daily basis. These include landings, foraging for food and water, mutilations, mining, near misses and encounters. Features this week are Cosmic smog is 'key to life in space', Rapid warming of Polar ice caps, Massachusetts daylight cigar, New Jersey football UFO, Virginia semi-circle UFO, North Carolina photos, Florida lights, Ohio UFO dives into lake, Michigan daylight disk, Illinois aircraft hazard, Oklahoma glowing objects, Louisiana shadow on the moon, Texas daylight disk, New Mexico flying triangle, California flying triangle, Washington fabulous lights, Canadian daylight UFO, Chile UFO video, India space creature kills twelve, and UFO over Japan. COSMIC SMOG 'KEY TO LIFE IN MILKY WAY' Cosmic smog may have seeded life not only on our planet, but in countless other solar systems throughout the Galaxy. According the New Scientist Print Edition other solar systems will have the same mix of organic ingredients as ours. That is the implication of a new study of meteorites, which reveals that important complex organic molecules survived the formation of our Solar System and were brought to Earth on these rocks. It suggests ours and any other solar systems would have been dusted with this mix of organic ingredients very early on, giving life a head start that could make it common elsewhere. "It makes us more sanguine about finding other habitable planets," says Max Bernstein of NASA's Ames Research Center. Organic molecules in the meteorites might have helped the earliest organisms capture energy. The molecules, called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), are common in interstellar space, and many believe they were among the raw m aterials for life. But unt il now no one knew if the PAHs in meteorites are ones that survived the birth of our Solar System, or if they formed from scratch only later. Cosmic Dust -- PAHs are a family of compounds composed of two or more linked benzene rings that share carbon atoms. The simplest, naphthalene, is used to make mothballs. Others, many of them carcinogenic, are components of smog and smoke from burning fuels or tobacco. PAHs are the most abundant form of carbon known in the Universe. They also make up well over half of the organic compounds in the most common type of meteorites, called carbonaceous chondrites, which have rained down on the Earth along with other cosmic dust ever since the planet formed. These meteorites contain samples of the material from which the Solar System formed 4.6 billion years ago. Chemist Richard Zare of Stanford University fired a sensitive laser probe at fresh slices from two different meteorites and analyzed the organic compounds released from the carbon grains in the meteorite, looking in particular at the ratio of heavier PAHs to naphthalene. Zare reports to t he American Chemical Society tha t the ratio was surprisingly uniform throughout the meteorite that means the molecules have not been altered since the rock formed, he says. "We're getting a chemical snapshot of the smoggy Universe before the Solar System formed," he says. Although PAHs themselves aren't found in living cells, they are easily converted into other molecules that are essential for life such as amino acids. Recent findings indicate that bugs could travel in comfort aboard meteorites and that live bacteria are cultured from a meteorite. Thanks to Jeff Hecht and NASA. Editor's Note: This indicates that organic ingredients have spread across the Galaxy aboard a fleet of meteorites seeding the estimated 100 million Earths in our Galaxy. Assuming a civilization on one of these Earth like planets was a hundred thousand years ahead of us they would have by now colonized the entire Galaxy. We should be looking for evidence that this civilization has established bases on our moon, on Mars and even Earth. The UFOs in our skies may indicate that space travelers stop for food, water and entertainment at our oasis in space. WARNING, NASA FINDS RAPID CHANGES IN EARTH'S POLAR ICE JPL reports recent NASA airborne measurements and a new review of space-based measurements of the thickness of Earth's polar ice sheets concludes they are melting much more rapidly than previously believed, with unknown consequences for global sea levels and Earth's climate. Large sectors of ice in southeast Greenland, the Amundsen Sea Embayment in the Antarctic are melting rapidly by processes not yet well understood, said researchers Dr. Eric Rignot and Dr. Robert Thomas. Their study, published this week in the journal Science, "Earth's polar ice sheets are changing over relatively short time scales, that is, decades versus thousands of years. Rapid changes are common and the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets together hold enough ice to raise sea level by 70 meters (230 feet)," he said. "Even a small imbalance between snowfall and discharge of ice and melt water from ice sheets into the ocean could be a major contributor to the current sea level ris e rate of 1.8 millimeters (0.07 inches) a year and impact ocean circulation and climate. The review reports Greenland's ice sheet is losing 50 cubic kilometers (12 cubic miles) of mass a year due to rapid thinning near its coasts. That's enough to raise sea level 0.13 millimeters (0.005 inches) annually. "Rapid coastal thinning cannot be explained by a few warm summers and is attributed to a dynamic ice sheet response," Rignot said. Thanks to NASA http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/earth/antarctica KILLER ASTEROIDS The military is set up to spot and catalog near Earth objects (NEOs) in space and should keep track of them as a service to humankind, says Air Force Brig. Gen. Simon P. Worden, deputy director of operations at U.S. Space Command. That's because the same equipment that watches space for terrestrial threats like missiles could cover extraterrestrial bogies at relatively small extra cost. Worden concedes there is a high "giggle factor" in the idea, but cautions the U.S. Aerospace Commission that the problem isn't limited to extinction-level events. An asteroid as small as 100 meters in diameter could release enough energy to devastate a wide area below even if it never hits the surface, while a sea strike could inundate coastal areas. Satellites are vulnerable to fast-moving objects as small as the dust particles left over from comets, and a bright meteor could spoof missile warning sensors with gave consequences in a tense international crisis." H e could just as well be talking about UFOs. We have tried several times to get the attention of agencies like NORAD about using the data that the systems have been taking for years even though the data isn't related to the primary mission. Thanks to John Schuessler Editor's Note - Uncorrelated targets coming into and leaving the atmosphere are picked up several times a week. Correlated targets are various types of space junk tracked and kept in Air Force computers while uncorrelated targets are unknowns. MASSACHUSETTS DAYLIGHT CIGAR OVER LOGAN AIRPORT BOSTON -- The witness observed a silver cigar shaped object moving across the sky on August 21, 2002, at 2:30 PM. He states, "This object was flying very high in the sky close to Logan Airport and. moving very fast from left to right. This movement went on for about one minute then the object vanished." Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC http.www.ufocenter.com. NEW YORK SMALL DISK NEAR WESTCHESTER AIRPORT WHITE PLAINS -- Two witnesses report seeing a small disk, "My twelve-year old daughter and I were heading home from a visit on August 21, 2002, and I turned left out of the Westchester County Airport entrance at 2:30 PM onto 120A South, and I saw something on my left, quickly approaching my car. My daughter saw it too. It looked like a small disk, no more than 12 inches or so in diameter, and it was rapidly spinning vertically and moving towards us. It was dark brown with a metallic quality, and as it passed the car it made a strange sound. Not a buzz, or a motor- like sound. More of an electronic sound that changed pitch as it approached my car, then hovered for a second just at the left side of my windshield, very close to the driver's side window, and then quickly disappeared. We both saw and heard the exact same thing. It lasted only a few short seconds, but it remains very clear in both of our minds. We didn't actually see it "disappear "; it just flew quickly away and wasn't in sight anymore. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC http//www.ufocenter.com/ NEW JERSEY EGG SHAPED CRAFT PLAINFIELD -- Mike K. a chemical engineer phoned to tell me that he had spotted a spheroid or fat football with rounded ends flying over on the evening of August 28, 2002. The object was twenty-five feet in diameter and moving very slow at about twice the height of the trees The UFO flew with the longer part flying vertically. The object was 35 to 45 feet tall and appeared illuminated from the inside. It had a red strobe on the bottom. It was flying far below jets approaching Newark Airport and was moving from east to west at an estimated ten miles an hour above Plainfield Avenue. There were no appendages visible like would be on a dirigible or balloon. The midpoint of craft seemed to a rotate and numerous green and red lights could be seen. The witness was very sincere and sure that it was not a standard craft of any type and felt this was nothing from Earth. A similar object was seen in Quebec the same evening. Tha nks to Mike K. VIRGINIA SEMI-CIRCLE UFO MIDLAND -- On August 13, 2002, at 11:30 PM the witness and her boyfriend were walking when he saw a huge bright light. The witness reports seeing a semi-circled shaped object with six or seven lights that shined down onto the tree tops moving very rapidly through the sky. We stood there and stared at it for about 15 seconds but heard no sound. It was moving very rapidly east and never changed direction. The trees are about 60 feet high and the object was about 20 feet above that. The object was the size of a football field. As it was going east it was moving towards the back of his house and was hard to see, and in a matter of seconds it was gone. They promised to make illustrations of their sighting." Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC NORTH CAROLINA PHOTOS OF UFO ... CAROLINA BEACH -- The couple decided to go outside on the back patio and have a cup of coffee on August 16, 2002, since it was one of the first cool nights in a while. When I looked up, "I was a little startled to see several fairly bright lights in the sky at about a 45 degree angle to the north of our home at 10:00 PM.." After watching closely for 15 minutes the objects never moved. The lights were above a fairly heavy cloud cover with a 'halo' effect around each light. The moon was to the south and almost full with a large halo. Closer examination of the phenomena revealed that the lights formed an almost perfect square. My first inclination was that they were located at the corners of some object but because of the clouds...I couldn't tell whether I was seeing four separate objects or one large object. My wife suggested I get my camera and I took several photos...all of them very disappointing with the digital cam. I tried t aking a mpg movie...but when I v iewed it, the lights did not show up at all. I managed to get a tripod and take exposures ranging from 1-8 seconds on F2. The pictures showed the lights, but they had a blue cast because of the low light. I took the pictures and downloaded them on my computer...then enhanced one of them in Photoshop to brighten it. The trees then showed up and the lights took on a more realistic appearance. Thanks Brian Vike investigator HBCC UFO Research. FLORIDA BRIGHT LIGHT SPOTTED BOCA RATON -- The witness reports seeing a bright light south of the Sawgrass Expressway hovering for a minute then disappearing. He states, "On August 27, 2002, while traveling on Lons Road just south of the Sawgrass Expressway, I witnessed a large bright light probably about four hundred feet up at 6:55 AM." It remained stationary as I focused on it. When it came time to head west on the Sawgrass, I turned my head to view the light again and it was gone. I guess they have the ability to become invisible when they want and visible when they want people to see them. This was not my first sighting in Florida and probably won't be the last. I guess the sky was perfect for a good cruise this morning. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ https://www.unfranchise.com/uf/login_frame.html ]MARKET AMERICA NUFORC OHIO RED UFO PLUNGES INTO LAKE ERIE LORAIN -- Albert J. Watkins writes, "I live 20 miles west of Cleveland and after reading Filer's Files #10, I wanted you to know I was standing on the Lake Eire shore on the evening of February 13th when the strange lights were seen in the sky as reported. I was with multiple witnesses and we saw what was no meteor shower, nor was it a helicopter. We observed orange and dim red lights that would appear just above the horizon, then becoming amazingly bright, so much so that it would reflect off of the lake. These lights would then disappear, only to reappear hundreds of yards away. After watching this dazzling display for at least an hour, we contacted the Coast Guard and the dispatcher told us what we were seeing was "Light refraction's off of a frozen lake." This was unusual as the lake was not frozen that night, nor had it really froze at all this winter. My friend, Daniel told me he has seen unexplainable objects" over the lake since Apr il of 1999. He claims to h ave seen a craft up close. However, I have seen lights moving about very quickly, so fast that if you were to blink, you would not mark their movement, or VERY bright lights that hover without noise, and then disappear suddenly about 15 times since. I believe that there is quite a lot of strange activity going on out there. Thanks to -Albert J. Watkins MICHIGAN DISC SEEN IN DAYLIGHT FROM FREEWAY. GRAND RAPIDS -- While driving on I-96 west bound on August 18, 2002, a couple looked north and saw a disc shaped craft in the sky at 1:25 PM. Trees got in the way and when they cleared, the object was gone. We were 5 minutes outside the city limits and when we exited she told me what she saw. My wife is 59 and professionally employed and has never seen anything like this before Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC. ILLINOIS AIRCRAFT HAZARD TINLEY PARK -- Although the object appeared to be round, it may have been a little oval according to the witness on August 24, 2002. "I saw this object at 6:36 PM, which I believe to be an advertising balloon climbing, and flying almost due south. My wife believed this to be a UFO too. I just hoped if it is an advertising balloon, that the wire that keeps it on the ground snapped off at the right end, otherwise it is a danger to any aircraft. Thanks to Peter Davenport OKLAHOMA RED GLOWING OBJECTS DURANT -- I am not really into this type of thing. I am a preacher's wife. But, I keep seeing things and my husband sees them, too. It's freaky, I don't know if it's meteors, or our imagination working overtime. On August 21, 2002, at 1:21 AM. we saw a whole bunch of fiery balls darting to and fro in the western sky for 20 minutes. Some came, some went away, and some stayed, and kept moving. Some were going straight, and some made sharps turns. Some got brighter, and some faded. We thoughts some planes were about to crash. Tonight was like my umpteenth sighting of something strange. I woke and was looking at the stars, when a big flash of light came out of nowhere. I thought maybe it was an angel. But, as it got closer, it's flying southeast, I noticed it had a line of lights at it's middle flashing different colors. It was pretty close to the ground north of town. I saw a small, dark in the m iddle, glowing object, mostly re d in color, that flew right over my house. LOUISIANA SHADOW ON THE MOON Ken M. reports that, "On July 28, 2002, I was coming home from the store and the moon was at a low angle in clear view straight ahead of me at 11:20 PM. There was a huge shadow in its lower left hand corner, shaped like a box. Getting out of my car to get a better look I saw the shadow was a large translucent grayish darkened area, not completely blackened out. It flew away seconds later. My best guess that night was that a meteor would be the only thing that big to cast such a huge shadow on the moon not a UFO; however, it seems now with all the numerous reports of UFO activity that if it were a ship, then it would have been the mother of all ships. Thanks to kenmoreau@hotmail.com TEXAS DAYLIGHT DISK COLONY -- The witness reports my daughter and I observed a bright disk shaped object flying over on August 24, 2002. "I was talking to my 16 year old daughter in the dining room when she pointed to something in the sky at 4:00 PM. "We watched a very bright, white disk-shaped object traversing the sky about 500- 700 feet up going north at a fairly fast pace. It had a definite disk shape to it. We grabbed the binoculars and watched it fly south and noticed it seemed to rotate and began to change from a disk to another shape and this is when I knew it was not a plane for sure. It was descending to the ground at a 25 degree angle. My daughter also saw it maneuver in the sky and no sound was detected. The winds were out the south at 5-10 mph on a sunny day. I have a Masters of Education. in counseling psychology and research UFO's. RICHARDSON -- On August 25, 2002, the next day after the Colony sighting a solid white disk was seen traveling extremely fast going due south. The disk raced across the sky very fast at 10:00 PM with the entire event happening in thirty seconds. It was very defined in it's path. I have seen meteor showers and this was a totally different experience. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC NEW MEXICO FLYING TRIANGLE FORT SUMNER -- The witness reported seeing triangular shaped objects with red and gold lights as well as the trail behind it. "We saw at least 50 lights in the sky behind a blinking object on August 22, 2002, at 9:00 PM." This was not a usual air craft. It was red and gold and it maneuvered very fast and shone as bright as a light bulb. They were lined up right after the other and forming an unknown shape. They flew at least ten seconds apart. It was triangular shaped and also had lights on the bottom. NUFORC spoke with the witnesses to this event, and they sounded to be credible. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC CALIFORNIA FLYING TRIANGLE ORANGE COUNTY -- Ed Brooks writes, "I saw a huge flying triangle with a box shape attached in the sky on August 27th at about 10:30 PM. What caught my eye was how low these stars looked. I have a tremendous curiosity regarding UFOs and whenever I get the chance I will search the sky. But, until last night have not seen anything when I noticed the perfect shape and really started looking. This group of three white lights in a triangle with two white lights forming a square behind with a total of five lights that wobbled in unison. The UFO appeared to be extremely large and moving slowly. Within 1 to 2 minutes I was startled to see white lights darting into and then out of this shape. This was exciting as I realized these lights disappeared as they met this shape and then reappeared as they left. I viewed this for five minutes and then I went and got my roommate to take a look. We both viewed the triangle as it began to move away at a faster pace and going higher at the same time as the lights became less bright. All this time it was bright white with an occasional red or blue light darting in and out in all directions. In 15 minutes a totally clear night became completely full of clouds and the show was over. This shape was moving in a northeast direction. Thanks to Ed Brooks ted.williams@sbcglobal.net SALINAS VALLEY -- The witness was driving home on August 25, 2002, to Chualar when he saw an egg shaped object that glowed baby blue in the dark sky at 8:01 PM. He states, "I was driving the back roads, and the object looked a 1/4 of a mile high with a beautiful light. I don't even remember how I stopped on the side of the road. I got really scared because I didn't know what had happened. Somehow while I was looking at the object, I received some type of input from the craft. "I swear to God I'm not joking around and it's time to let every body to know they're here." stated the witness. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC WASHINGTON BRIGHT ORANGE LIGHT KELSO -- I woke up about 1:30 A.M. on August 28, 2002, and observed what I thought was an aircraft moving to the north. I opened the window and saw the object had a bright orange light in back and 3 or 4 small orange lights where the wings would be. It was either very large or low flying. I observed the object for 10-12 seconds and there was no sound. There were no flashing anti collision lights that you would normally see and I have never seen an airplane at night with all orange lights. MATTAWAN -- The observer saw a large fireball with gold like flames coming straight down at 2:30 AM; on August 28, 2002. The fireball had a short tail. With arm extended, it was the size of a 'female' thumbnail. The gold fireball continued downward towards the Hanford Nuclear Site and broke up into six or seven pieces, not exploding, and the pieces stayed close together and continued downward. I lost sight of them behind the trees. Perhaps it was space debris, but it concerned me because it was heading straight for Hanford Nuclear Site. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC CANADA SIGHTINGS CONTINUE VANCOUVER, BC -- On Saturday, August 24, 2002, 11:59 PM the witness reports, "My wife received a phone call at 11:45 from my brother who told us a meteor was visible in the west and was viewing it 18 kilometers away. I said that was impossible, so I hauled out my telescope and spotted the object at 50 power and perceived it was no airplane. At 200 power, I had a clear picture of a flying saucer shape. It glowed very intensely and had a weird rotating sensor beam on the top part of the saucer. It flashed aqua color first and then orange-red much like a rotating spot beam at a 0.5 second rotation. One beam could scan orange-red and then aqua. I then took relative size calculations from both my brothers and used my GPS to get the bearing. My calculation indicates the object was 30 meters in diameter at a distance of 200 KM that puts it over Vancouver Island. The object must have been under power. My brother watched it for an hour while I watched 45 minutes b efore it went behind some trees. I can't say this was an alien space ship, but if it was not, the Earth has developed a new type of ship that is quite impressive. ST-JEAN-SUR-RICHELIEU, QUEBEC -- A large blue and green sparkling sphere about the size of a small car was seen by observers on August 28, 2002. The witness states, "I was walking on the river promenade going east at 6:45 PM when I heard a sound like a baseball going thru the air very close to my ear." I looked up and saw a large blue and green sparkling sphere straight above my head at about 20 feet in the air and going about 20 mph. When it passed me it started to go up in a very steep manner then vanished as it was gaining altitude. HOUSTON, BRITISH COLUMBIA -- Brian Vike interviewed a witness August 27th who saw objects coming out of one of the large mountains in his area. I also talked with a couple of other witnesses tonight claiming the same, and seeing all kinds of strange objects in the area around the same mountain. So I am off to investigate these reports on the weekend. Looks like another 3 hour drive one way. At least all this keeps me a busy boy. Will fill you in after I get back. Thanks to Brian Vike CHILE AIR SHOW VIDEO CONFIRMS UFO PRESENCE SANTIAGO -- The appearance of a series of UFOs in two recordings made during the last International Air and Space Fair caused expectations and surprise. The luminous phenomena appear to monitor the maneuvers of a Chilean Air Force's Mirage Pantera fighter plane. It has a duration of 1 min 35 seconds, shows the takeoff of the fixed-wing fighter, then a blurry, pixellated flash of light. The video is at www.terra.cl/multimedia/canales.cfm/categoriavideo. Thanks to Scott Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology www.inexplicata.com INDIAN INTELLIGENCE SETS A TRAP FOR ROVING ALIEN UTTAR PRADESH -- Times of India reports, "With a death toll now exceeding twelve, and new sightings reported, India's Intelligence Bureau has set a trap for the UFO known as Muhnochwa, which is Hindu for Face Scorcher. "With five visuals of the Muhnochwa caught on videotape--three of which were recorded by the team of intelligence sleuths in the state--the scare does not seem to be unfounded." An extraterrestrial body (ETB) with electromagnetic effects is indicated in at least three percent of the cases. While the Indian agencies have yet to admit the presence of an ETB, foreign research agencies, intelligence reports said, have already been to the affected areas, met the witnesses and collected necessary data." "Sources said that after going through the videotapes provided by the wife of a lawyer in Mirzapur and another frame recorded by a resident in Sitapur, which has the flash of light speeding from one end of the lens to another within a second, an intelligence tea m reached Sitapur and set up an ingeniously-designed observatory." "A cement mixer was fitted with orange, yellow, green, to the most common red and blue lights. The apparatus was put on a hill in total darkness hoping to attract the ETB. And it did at 1:05 AM, a flash of light neared the apparatus. 'It was like the photocopier's top plate with the sharp light while taking impressions,' revealed a member of the Indian Intelligence Bureau team." "Questionnaires were answered by the victims. Out of a sample study of 100 injured victims, ten were found to be victims of an insect bite or scratch. Ten suffered the injuries indirectly (like bruises while running). The remaining (80) reported experienced one or more: (1) electric shock; (2) Saw a sharp light; (3) Felt a hard round object." Out of 80 people, 65 were found to have suffered physical injuries, and there were three who tried to overpower the ETB. All three had suffered hundreds of scars, as if caused by a blade, on the palm o f their hands, that were inexplicable and this is what raised the possibilities of an ETB being out there." Thanks to the Times of India for 6/18/02, and Prasant Solomon, UFO Roundup's correspondent in India. JAPAN UFO SPOTTED TOKYO BAY AREA -- On August 11, Toshie Nakagawa saw some unexplainable thing in the sky after the Japan UFO meeting. While having dinner on the 9th floor with a magnificent view of the Bay one member spotted a very strange shiny object in the northwestern sky just a few minutes past 6 PM. At first I though it was an airplane, but this luminous object was getting bigger for a minute but then suddenly disappeared. A second later the shiny light appeared again in the different spot! It looked as if it was teleported from one place to another in a second! And this time the light was getting much brighter and illuminated about a minute and then again vaporized. Thanks to Toshie Nakagawa (OUR-J) http://www.our-j.com. CANADIAN UFO RESEARCHER WILBERT SMITH Grant Cameron writes that as a point of fact Wilbert Smith died of cancer of the lower bowel, not a brain tumor as was reported in last weeks Filers Files. Smith claimed UFOs were real and that he had seen one up close. I have tried to correct the brain tumor story for 20 years. Unfortunately, it continues to live on. Thanks to Grant Cameron, The Presidents UFO Story www.presidentialufo.com UFO DEFENSE TACTICS - WEATHER SHIELD TO CHEMTRAILS A. K. Johnstone, Ph.D., explores with evidence, the creation of a weather shield to deter UFOs from entering earth's atmosphere, as well as the erratic weather changes in recent years. Numerous UFO sightings are examined from a scientific viewpoint, including plasma sheaths and fireballs. Order illustrated book, $14.95 from Hancock House 1-800-938-1114. NEW JERSEY CONFERENCE Pat Marcatillio is holding a UFO conference in Bordentown, NJ on October 12 and 13 at the Days' Inn. Ingo Swann, David Jacobs, Tom Van Flandern, Jim Moseley, Bruce Maccabee and others will be speaking. Details are at--http://www.drufo.org. NASA's SPACE ENCOUNTERS Jeff Challender has released the new video "What Is the Truth?". The second video examining NASA and its space encounters with 102 anomalous objects. These events were culled from 1400+ hours raw footage of ten live Shuttle flight broadcasts between Oct. 2000 and April 2002. VHS $25. Send orders to: Jeff Challender 2768 Mendel Way Sacramento, CA 95833-2011 MUFON UFO JOURNAL -- For more detailed monthly investigative reports subscribe to the MUFON JOURNAL. A MUFON membership includes the Journal and costs only $35.00 per year. To join MUFON or to report a UFO go to http://www.mufon.com/. To ask questions contact MUFONHQ@aol.com or HQ@mufon.com. Mention that I recommended you for membership. Filer's Files is copyrighted 2002 by George A. Filer, all rights reserved. Readers may post the complete files on their Web Sites if they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue that the item appeared. These reports and comments are not necessarily the OFFICIAL MUFON viewpoint. Send your letters to Majorstar@aol.com. Sending mail automatically grants permission for us to publish and use your name. Please state if you wish to keep your name, address, or story confidential. CAUTION, MOST OF THESE ARE INITIAL REPORTS AND REQUIRE FURTHER INVESTIGATION. http://www.filersfiles-ufo.com/ Regards, George Filer
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Rhetorical Questions - Velez From: John Velez elez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:27:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:49:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions - Velez >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO Updates <UFOUpdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 >Subject: Rhetorical Question >Having followed the List for several months, I have the >following rhetorical questions: >I don't understand why John Rimmer, editor of a Fortean >magazine, is so against the study of "Unidentified Flying >Objects," which is a type of Fortean subject. Seems kinda funny >somehow. I mean, why would a person who has such a distaste for >anyone who studies the subject, would be so attached to a >subject they dislike so much and why, if he's so anti-UFOlogy, >does he produce a Fortean Magazine? Hi Wendy, I know that your 'questions' were intended to be rhetorical so I hope you don't mind my long-winded (you've been warned!) response to them. :) The 'big picture' Guys like John and Bob are sometimes painful but nonetheless _necessary_ components to the ongoing dialog here on UpDates. 'Noisy negativists' though they may be at times, they draw out information and responses from some of the more authoritative members on the List (knowledge and information that jaded researchers take for granted but which is 'new' to many List denizens) that we, the lay members of UpDates, would otherwise not be exposed to. Example: Were it not for the fact that Bob identifies every UFO report as a balloon or a star... the rest of us would never hear the reasons why some researchers think they may not be. In their explanations/rebuttals to them, they allow us to peep their thought processes. They quote from/expound upon, cases that many of us are completely unfamiliar with. We (lay Listerions) get an opportunity to _learn_ by reading the give and take between two strong and opposing points of view. As much of a pain-in-the-arse as they both can be... they are _necessary_ (like it or not, their oft times knee jerk reactions lead to a very real 'education' for casual List readers) and they represent a fairly popular point of view that has as much right to expression/equal time, as any other. Allowing them a soapbox along-side (and the same height as) everybody else's is the democratic and right thing to do. Besides, the List would be a boring drag to read if 'everybody' agreed on 'every thing' all of the time. Is it not so? >Further, I don't understand why a person, such as Bob Young, has >such a morbid facination with a subject he doesn't believe >should be studied by anyone. 'Morbid' was an excellent choice for a descriptive adjective. I firmly believe that the level of 'obstinate' denial is in direct proportion to the level of fear (terror) and of mortal dread that any given person may be experiencing in relation to this subject. This _is_ scary stuff. Anybody who allows themselves to truly consider the implications of this phenomenon cannot help but come away with (normal but primal/deep-seated) fears of the unknown, and in an emotional and psychological state of 'fight or flight.' The vehemence of some of the resistance we witness here, coming from some of the List participants, is perfectly _human_ (understandable under the circumstances) and as I mentioned 'primal.' Originating from a very deep place in the psyche. A lot of what we see is a part of an equilibrium maintaining and self- preserving system that uses 'denial' as a soldier would use a shield. They are engaged in an inner struggle that is outwardly expressed by a need to remain in (the illusion of) control. They need to control the thoughts and beliefs of others in order to hold onto a world view that is made vulnerable and placed on the verge of complete break-down/destruction by a phenomenon that none of us were raised to believe was even possible. They teeter on the edge of the same precipice that every UFO witness and abductee has had to either back away from, or take a flying 'swan-dive' leap from. It's not easy for any of us, believer or skeptic. I 'grok' where the CSICOPers and other hard-line skeptics are coming from. As one who _knows_ the depths of one human beings response to contact with the impossible, I feel for them. >Why do these guys seem to have all the pat answers and nobody >else are allowed to come to their own conclusions? Because it means that they will have to loose the white-knuckled grip on that psychological ledge I was talking about. They would have to let go of what they thought they knew about the world. Giving up the comfort and safety of the 'known' for the chaos and free-fall of a trip through the 'unknown'... is no easy thing for any one to do. I know. *Cue in Tom Petty's "Free Fallin" :) >What is the psychological basis that such people would huff and >puff on a List devoted to the study of "Unidentified Flying >Objects?" Need to feel important and omnipotent? Deep fear of >the unknown? Insatiable desire to dominate others and the >subject at hand? A conspiracy to take over EBK's List? I vote for the 'human' explanation: A rabid and deep fear of the unknown. Fear of letting go of a world they feel 'relatively' safe in. Who can blame them? There are many times that I wish I'd never found out. I would have been quite content to live out my life sans UFOs. The 'ego-based' explanations you offered may be true, but I don't know John or Bob well enough (personally) to say if it actually applies to them or not. I don't think very many folks on this List know them (as individual personalities) that well. If it is based on some form of 'needy-ness,' then I'm all the sorrier for them. I'll continue to take them at their word that their interest in the subject is intellectually, as opposed to emotionally, based. >(Who gave up Ufology and began to study the abberant behavior of >the Negativists on the UFO UpDates List.) Let em seek local counselling services Wendy. We're not here to give anybody 'therapy.' :) John and Bob... excuse me for speaking of you in the third person and 'using' you as examples to expound my own theories about why some folks are so adamant about and entrenched in, their beliefs about the nature of UFOs. Warmest regards, thanks for listening to my 'theories.' John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Bill Barry? - Goldstein From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:23:56 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:54:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Goldstein >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT >Subject: Bill Barry? >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 >>Subject: Bill Barry? >>Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? >>Is he contactable? >Jim: >Do you mean Robert Barry? He died about ten years ago. He had a >Saturday evening TV show devoted to UFOs, NASA films, bible >readings and other UFOria. He was publicity director for the >late Rev Dr. Carl MacIntyre's 20th Century Reformation Hour >ministry, and also ran the one-man 20th Century UFO Bureau. He >authored a few self-published booklets in the 60s and 70s and >had some articles in UFO mags. Hi Bub, The notorius Rev. Carl McIntyre. Now there is nefarious wacko whose name had not come to my mind in many a year. When I was a ten year-old kid in living in Westmont New Jersey before in a few years I wisely was moved to California. McIntyre was the originator of "The KGB in Moscow is poisoning us by putting fluoride in our water" theory along with all sorts of plots the Satan Driven and Jesus Hating Commies were trying to defy God. I've never been any lover of Communism but there has been a never ending twisted, sick, and polluted lineage of effluent that sometimes spews out waste products such as Jerry Falwell, Rev. Moon, etc.who all learned the sick and slick pitch techniques from McIntyre. A waste that is eaten by people too stupid and fearful to be rational. Fortunately my folks knew to steer far away from that flock of fools. My temple of faith in the town was Sadler's hobby shop where I would spend lots of time getting stuff to build my gas powered aircraft models and chewing the fat over flying and UFOs. Fundamentalism, just like the UFO field where unfortunately there are masses who are driven by emotional reasons and don't have the slightest knowledge or interest in using tools of logical discernment to ascertain truth from someone's mesmerizing and deluded fantasy. I just read Royce Meyers's new section on the 9/11 sicko scammers who include some of the same lying psychos (Sean Morton, Jordan Maxwell, and a lot of others) who deserved being pounded to the pulp when I saw them doing the same kind of BS at conferences twenty years ago. But it only confirms P.T. Barnum, "A sucker is born every minute". To me, Art Bell and Jeff Rense are further confirmation of that statement. Speaking of Rense, I took a recent check on his website and I still think he is an anti-semite due to him still posting anti-semitic stories and websites on his site. Happy trails, Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Bryant On Failure of Justice From: Larry W. Bryant <overtci@cavtel.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:25:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:58:46 -0400 Subject: Bryant On Failure of Justice TO: Hon. George F. Allen United States Senate Northern Virginia Regional Office 2214 Rock Hill Road - Suite 100 Herndon, VA 20170 FROM: Larry W. Bryant 3518 Martha Custis Drive Alexandria, VA 22302 DATE: September 4, 2002 Judging from the enclosed correspondence between me and U.S Justice Department official Albert N. Moskowitz as regards past cases of UFO-E.T.-abduction victimization (and the continued threat thereof), you would have to conclude that the Justice Department has become remiss in its publicly declared mission to "prevent and control crime." Mr. Markowitz's letter to me of Aug. 21, 2002, sidesteps the obvious: in every State of the Union, the act of abduction remains a crime; and, because it often occurs across state lines, it also constitutes a federal offense subject to jurisdiction of federal law-enforcement authorities. If Mr. Moskowitz feels unable to apply provisions of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and/or the Violence Against Women Act of 2000 toward investigating and prosecuting incidents of UFO-E.T. abduction, he readily could have found other statutes by which to mount the sought-for intervention of such federal law-enforcement agencies as the Federal Bureau of Investigation. His laconic abnegation of that statutory authority thus perpetuates the victims' failure of justice -- and requires appropriate congressional review and remedy. As the growing public record clearly shows, the worldwide experience of UFO-E.T. abduction remains self-defining: the experience consists of the abduction of a person by entities of extraterrestrial origin (a.k.a. "space aliens" (i.e., the ultimate "illegal aliens") and "UFO occupants") for the purpose of subjection to such non-consensual acts as: -- Impregnation for Earthling-alien hybridization; -- Gene harvesting and experimentation; -- Invasive, traumatic physical examinations and tissue sampling; -- Implantation of remote-monitoring devices; -- Serialized abduction, and/or the threat thereof, of the victimized person and/or his/her family members; and -- Instilling in the victim such results as: a state of acute, chronic anxiety, emotional isolation, loss of self- esteem/overall sense of security, and other psychological injury and terroristic effects (including the "Stockholm Syndrome"). Mr. Markowitz's glib dismissal of my "complaint" requires us to read between the lines for his rationale. Why did he not forward my "complaint" to some other jurisdictional element within the Justice Department rather than sending me his cop-out response? Does he (and/or his superiors) possess any documentary evidence showing that the reported UFO-E.T. abductions are being perpetrated not by human beings but by non- humans, and is he willing to share that evidence with you and me? If in his view most of the reported cases have little validity, then why isn't the Justice Department investigating and prosecuting some of the alleged victims for their part in perpetrating interstate-commerce fraud upon those consumers enticed to purchase the victims' various memoirs and videotaped personal narratives? As you can imagine, Senator, those questions may exceed Mr. Moskowitz's competence, motivation, and authority to deal with. Accordingly, I now ask that, on my behalf, and on behalf of all victims (past/current/future) of the UFO-E.T.-abduction experience, you address those questions to the U.S. attorney general -- so that, by his answers and other responsiveness, he can take the lead in ending this protracted failure of justice. LARRY W. BRYANT Director, Washington, D.C., Office of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy P.S.: I'm snail-mailing to you a signed printout of this e-formatted request, along with its enclosed correspondence.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:24:41 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:01:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer >From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:21:34 EDT >Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question >>From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 >>Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors > >>Having followed the List for several months, I have the >>following rhetorical questions: >>I don't understand why John Rimmer, editor of a Fortean >>magazine, is so against the study of "Unidentified Flying >>Objects," which is a type of Fortean subject. Seems kinda funny >>somehow. I mean, why would a person who has such a distaste for >>anyone who studies the subject, would be so attached to a >>subject they dislike so much and why, if he's so anti-UFOlogy, >>does he produce a Fortean Magazine? <snip> >Here are my impressions: >In the olden days, if important - even puzzling - subjects were >discussed, adults would sit around and converse - maybe even >argue. But the kids would either not be present, or not be >allowed to join in unless they behaved. The Internet has allowed >"the kids" to join in discussions in which they don't belong. >Some of them act like brats. When told to be quiet, they become >louder. When ordered to their rooms, they become explosive. >Their issues and interests have nothing at all to do with the >subject being discussed: It's their own egos which are the >hidden subject, and they use groups like this in an unconscious >attempt to work out their pysco-social problems, by interacting >with "the adults". If the adults take them seriously, they grow >up. However, since their positions are so ridiculous and their >demands so obnoxious and wearying and tiresome ("Show me all >your proof - do my research for me"), it's difficult to take >them seriously or deal with them on an adult level, and so they >remain at their retarded emotional levels. I suppose it doesn't occur to you that sceptical ufologists might be as interested in the subject as you, but having studied it (for nearly thirty years in my case) have come to rather different conclusions than you? Much easier to think that they're all "brats" with "pysco[sic]- social problems" who can be safely ignored. And as for asking you for evidence to support your assertions, well, that just demonstrates their "retarded emotional levels". Or, of course: > my impression was that Phil >is a man on someone's payroll, doesn't believe a word he says, >believes he's doing this for a good cause (plus some money), we're all being paid to denounce UFOs! >(There are more anti-UFO types, but they don't visit this forum >and are not disruptive. I used to know a quiet, mild-mannered, >rather controlled fellow who was, apparently, bright in some >ways, good at math, a college grad, yet was the most naiive >person I've ever met. >One day at >work he actually went berserk, shouting obscenities at no one in >particular, in an otherwise quiet office with hundreds of people >able to hear him... He was let go a few weeks later...). Most amusing. He was probably a librarian. It gets you like that. >These are my impressions. Thank you. -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:11:58 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:03:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Rimmer >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:09:21 +0000 >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:56:04 +0100 >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >John, >I am interspersing a few comments and will have a final comment >below. Presumably by your definition I am a "UFO-booster"; you >are not describing my habit, as you would know if you read (and >comprehended) my writings. As indeed I am, presumably, a pelicanist. >>Ufology has been going now for sixty years, and in that time has >>achieved what ... ? Nada, or as we say on this side of the pond, >>nowt. >>UFO-boosters are still searching for that "one good case" which >>they believe will convert the sceptics, and cause the scales to >>fall from the yes of the scientific establishment. Well, maybe. >>But what they have notably failed to do is show that there is >>any consistent pattern to the phenomenon. Yes, UFOs shaped like >>one bowl on top of another are commonly reported, although this >>is also the shape that is most likely to be perceived as the >>result of the misidentification of an astronomical object. But >>triangular UFOs are also commonly reported, as are cigar-shaped >>UFOs, spherical UFOs and conical UFOs. >Several whoppers here. Again, you are not describing my >approach. And you are certainly oblivious to research findings >by careful, responsible people like me if you do not see "any >consistent pattern to the phenomenon." It is the patterns that I >strongly focus on. And will you please cite any scientific >literature in support of your assertion that the Saturn-shape is >the one "most likely to be perceived as the result of the >misidentification of an astronomical object?" That sounds like >total bunk to me, and another example of off-the-top-of-the-head >biased opinions being substituted for research and investigation >(i.e., science). I would not doubt for a second that there are a few commonly- reported UFO shapes. I'm not quite sure what distinction you draw between a "Saturn-shaped" object, a "disc-shaped" object, and "ovoid-object" or even a "cigar-shaped" object. They all seem to me to be variations on a theme. A small point source of light can be perceived as any of these shapes depending on the circumastances under which it is observed. Read Hendry's book for many examples. >>"Obvious patters that can be highly significant" ... and what >>might that significance be? After sixty years surely we should >>have some idea by now? >That UFO sightings are not merely random misperceptions. Yes, no argument there. You accept then that they may be non- random mispeceptions? <snips> >I strongly suspect that if I had sent you a message of this type >raising all sorts of scientific and methodological issues that >to answer fully would require an encyclopedic response, you >wouldn't even have tried to answer. I have a very simple, >straightforward answer for you: Read The UFO Evidence, Volume >II. Not only does it provide an answer to your bottom-line >question, but also it addresses all of your intermediate >comments/opinions. It is also thoroughly documented. Oh dear, another "Read My Book" plug. I'm afraid that it does not appear to be available in Britain. I doubt however that after finishing it I would have any clearer idea about what UFOs might be than when I started. Apart from "finding patterns" can you tell us how ufology has got us nearer to a solution over the last sixty years. The patterns you write of (with the possible exception of the flying triangles) were well established and being written about thirty and more years ago. No one yet seems to have come up with any suggestion as to what these patterns mean. They just go on collecting examples -- stamp collectors! -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 4 'Aliens' In Military Exercise In Arkansas? From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:52:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:52:20 -0400 Subject: 'Aliens' In Military Exercise In Arkansas? http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/04/35979.html 15:17 2002-09-04 AMERICAN OFFICER KEPT HIS SILENCE FOR TWO YEARS Aliens took part in a military exercise in Arkansas An American officer, who wished to remain anonymous, affirmed that aliens took part in a military exercise that took place in Arkansas several years ago. "There are some things that I cannot talk about. Yet, I think I can say something." Airborne troops conducted their exercise from April 15 to May 5, 1992. The event took place on the territory of the Fort Chaffee army base. The exercise was performed under the code name "Operation Curtain." Special units of airborne troops from Venezuela, Ecuador, the USA, and Puerto Rico, took part in the exercise. The troops were sent to swamps in a remote part of the base. It was ordered not to allow the dummy bridge that was built for the exercise to be exploded. "No unit managed to prevent the explosion of the bridge. Neither the Venezuelans, nor Americans, nor the soldiers from Ecuador managed to detect the "enemy." No one could understand how the saboteur made its way without even bumping into any of the best units. Nevertheless, it happened," =96 said the officer. Commandos from Puerto Rico encircled the swamp and started waiting for the "enemy". "A strange noise could be heard in the distance at about 00.30 a.m. Soldiers thought that the 'enemy' landed on the other side of the swamp. Everybody was ready to meet them. The only aspect that we did not know was the time that would take for the 'enemy' to cross the swamp. Before the exercise started, the commandos were given an order not to use night vision devices. However, there was an American sergeant among the Puerto-Ricans who had such a device. "The soldiers soon heard strange sounds coming from the other side of the swamp. The sounds were getting more and more distinct. Everybody was staring in the direction of the sound, but no one saw anything at all. Suddenly, everyone smelled the strong smell of the swamp. One of Puerto-Rican officers ran out of patience and asked the American sergeant to give him the night vision device. The officer looked around the territory and he saw three small creatures. They were visible with the naked eye. The officer gave the night vision device to another officer and so on. Everybody saw the weird 'enemy.' The soldiers eventually contacted their command. The command kept silence for a long while, and then it was ordered to carefully watch the creatures without bringing harm to them. "They were like little people, about one meter high. They looked absolutely white in the night vision devices. There was another such creature sitting on a stump, as if it was watching the crawling ones. At first I thought that they were wearing some kind of helmets. But then I realized that they were not helmets, but their long, egg-like heads. I could even see their big black eyes with no eye-balls. It also seemed to me that they had two little holes instead of a nose. I did not see a mouth. They had four fingers on their hands." The officer also said that a helicopter arrived soon and took the "little people" away. The command strictly ordered everyone to maintain silence about the event. The American officer was struck with what he saw. He did not say anything about it for two years. Who were those creatures? What were they doing among military men? How far did it all go? Anomalia.Ru Translated by Dmitry Sudakov
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:54:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 >>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >><snip> >>Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down >>under? >Hi Jim, >If you mean a hot air balloon, yes we do, but they don't >operate in this area. But you most likely mean a tethered, >helium one like: >http://www.nbc4.com/technology/1576797/detail.html <snip> Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, if you ignore the blimp's empennage... ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:06:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:56:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ledger >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:09:18 +0000 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:53:22 EDT >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case <snip> >Bob, >Looks more like a Pelican to me. Thanks for reminding me of the >Menzel (& Boyd) book's account of the Trindade Isle case, which >I have now re-read. It remains just as cockeyed today as it was >when I first read it 35 years ago. Anyone who admires both Klass >and Menzel must surely be fond of pseudoscience, because those >two were the greatest practitioners of it among skeptibunkers. >Funny that Menzel (selectively) cites a bunch of newspaper >stories, which we "believers" are not allowed to do. His primary >citation is "Air Force files", which contain nothing but >speculation and supposition, not facts and science on the case. >As for, "The Navy's study of the negatives revealed several >dubious features" (p. 215), what is his citation for that very >important statement/allegation? None whatsoever! >"Frame 3, the only one showing the Saturn-like shape..." (p. >214) an absolutely false statement. The full, clear photos can >be seen on Fran Ridge's NICAP web site, along with a lot of >documentation. The Saturn-shape is clearly visible in all. And >there is no "inverted" image. >Astoundingly, Menzel/Boyd has managed to do away with all the >independent witnesses. That, of course, is only possible by >selective citation of newspaper quotes (among other sources) and >ignoring many of the specific comments to the contrary, some of >which I have cited on this List. Hi Dick, Menzel's undisclosed association with the intelligence community and Klass's position and spokesman for the aerospace industry hamstrung each of them. As skeptics go they had too many axes to grind and too deep an involvement in the community to do little else but spout nonesense when consulted. Condon too. Two days ago I got a call from a police detective in a major city here in Canada. His reason for calling was to talk about the book and relay a UFO incident that ocurred at a lake retreat witnessed by him and 11 others.During the course of the conversation he said that because of this incident his conversation over dinner with an agent of the NSA during some police function in the states drifted to the subject of UFOs. The agent said "No one has any idea of the depth of this thing and its serious nature.That's all I can say about it." Funny how these keep popping up. As for Menzel and Klass-they have no standing for me. I've read Menzel's nonesense and endured Klass's simplistic unresearched reponses, both selective in what they chose to use. Too bad because I suspect that both were/are jammed into a slot not of their own choosing. But I'll take a Paul R. Hill or a Dick Haines or Hall over a Menzel or Klass any day. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:32:55 UT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:09:28 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:10:40 -0400 >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:55:36 UT >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants <snip> >>I only saw one that I recall that looked like it might have been >>a manufactured artifact. I cannot comment on the others as the >>photos do not tell me one way or another. >Which one? Is there anything in the way of analysis results that >is posted somewhere on the Web? John, this was some time ago and I have not seen the analysis on the Web. I have attended presentations given by Leir. I am sure that is where I saw a slide and heard analysis. Again, it seems like that was about 2 years ago. Bill
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:08:31 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Morton >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:24:41 +0100 >Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:01:36 -0400 >Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer >>From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:21:34 EDT >>Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question >>>From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 17:56:08 -0600 >>>Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Connors >>>Having followed the List for several months, I have the >>>following rhetorical questions: >>>I don't understand why John Rimmer, editor of a Fortean >>>magazine, is so against the study of 'Unidentified Flying >>>Objects,' which is a type of Fortean subject. Seems kinda funny >>>somehow. I mean, why would a person who has such a distaste for >>>anyone who studies the subject, would be so attached to a >>>subject they dislike so much and why, if he's so anti-UFOlogy, >>>does he produce a Fortean Magazine? ><snip> >>Here are my impressions: >>In the olden days, if important - even puzzling - subjects were >>discussed, adults would sit around and converse - maybe even >>argue. But the kids would either not be present, or not be >>allowed to join in unless they behaved. The Internet has allowed >>'the kids' to join in discussions in which they don't belong. >>Some of them act like brats. When told to be quiet, they become >>louder. When ordered to their rooms, they become explosive. >>Their issues and interests have nothing at all to do with the >>subject being discussed: It's their own egos which are the >>hidden subject, and they use groups like this in an unconscious >>attempt to work out their pysco-social problems, by interacting >>with 'the adults'. If the adults take them seriously, they grow >>up. However, since their positions are so ridiculous and their >>demands so obnoxious and wearying and tiresome ('Show me all >>your proof - do my research for me'), it's difficult to take >>them seriously or deal with them on an adult level, and so they >>remain at their retarded emotional levels. >I suppose it doesn't occur to you that sceptical ufologists >might be as interested in the subject as you, but having studied >it (for nearly thirty years in my case) have come to rather >different conclusions than you? >Much easier to think that they're all 'brats' with 'pysco[sic]- >social problems' who can be safely ignored. And as for asking >you for evidence to support your assertions, well, that just >demonstrates their 'retarded emotional levels'. >Or, of course: >>my impression was that Phil >>is a man on someone's payroll, doesn't believe a word he says, >>believes he's doing this for a good cause (plus some money), >we're all being paid to denounce UFOs! >>(There are more anti-UFO types, but they don't visit this forum >>and are not disruptive. I used to know a quiet, mild-mannered, >>rather controlled fellow who was, apparently, bright in some >>ways, good at math, a college grad, yet was the most naiive >>person I've ever met. >>One day at >>work he actually went berserk, shouting obscenities at no one in >>particular, in an otherwise quiet office with hundreds of people >>able to hear him... He was let go a few weeks later...). >Most amusing. He was probably a librarian. It gets you like that. >>These are my impressions. Actually, John, my post was for the benefit of Wendy and other adults. I don't know if anyone agreed with it or not, or if it was useful, or even if they thought it was ridiculous, but they were my intended audience. I do lament the fact that I wasn't able to answer Wendy's question regarding why _you_ are here; I didn't and don't know the answer to that question - yet. Based on your response, however, it appears that you _may_ fall into categories 1 and 4: A person with a juvenile, combative attitude, and the guy who was a horrible observer of detail. I visited your website for the first time today, and browsed for a little while. I have no major problems with you or anyone else putting up a website debunking UFOs. Simply posting your URL on this List from time to time should yield enough traffic and interest to satisfy whatever it is that makes your clock tick. But apparently, it doesn't. Perhaps that's why you're here, eh?... Not enough traffic on the website? Got something to sell? Magazine subscriptions, perhaps? Not that I mind... Posting URLs is an excellent way for people to find out about other sites and other information! I'm all for it - including doing it here! But you probably won't convert too many people on _this_ List to your version of history... I'm glad you've studied UFOs for 30 years. I have studied them for 40 years, and I've seen 4 'big ones', and 2 more small 'possibles' which are just curiosities. The guy who went berserk in the office was (is) a computer programmer, and a former weather forecaster, in his 40s, married with 2 kids. A career choice of Library Science would have made more sense for him, in my opinion, due to the lower levels of stress (at least, on _that_ project) and a greater certainty of 'course of action'. To him, almost everything had a simple, mundane explanation. However, he found it very difficult to work without a clear, step-by-step blueprint for action, and struggled with the difficulties and amiguities of problems and assignments on the job. When someone in our group didn't return an Email he sent the guy, I had to coach him on how to approach the problem, why the guy might not have returned the Email (busy? forgot? rude? thoughtless? didn't have an answer? felt that Email couldn't do the subject justice?), and suggested that he approach him in person, and what words to use. The person who didn't return the Email (another programmer) sat less than 20 feet away from the guy who finally went berserk. He could see the guy sitting at his desk from where he sat!! Ie, Mr. Berserk was not a '10' on the creativity scale, the 'possibility' scale, or the 'action' scale... When it came to UFOs, I don't recall much of what he actually said about them, anymore, but I do remember that his knowledge on the subject could apparently fit into a teaspoon, and his so-called logic on the subject was profoundly immature and limited. Not one sentence in my post stated or implied that skeptibunkers are all 'brats'. However, I think some are. The same is true of 'all paid to denounce UFOs'. I referred only to Phil Klass (just an opinion, of course). Since I think Mr. Klass _does_ have class (at least, I've seen it exhibited once in a television program), the paradox in his behaviour versus his wacko statements might be explained by postulating that he's being paid to be a dis-information specialist. I don't think anyone who makes utterly absurd statements such as he does about UFOs could also have the genteel refinement which he has exhibted. Remember too, he paid off a $1000 bet to Stan Friedman on an MJ- 12 issue. He is misguided (or 'misguiding'), but he's honorable when it comes to keeping his word. Clearly one can see from my post that I believe that skeptibunkers are not one single personality type, but have different personalities, different reasons for their conclusions, and different reasons for taking the actions they do. And my post was just a first attempt to delineate those attributes. Perhaps with more thought and research, I could do better - certainly someone with a background in psychology could do _much_ better. Sometimes, asking why debunkers inhabit groups like this is like asking why some people drive through other people's neighborhoods with their car stereos on full blast and their windows rolled down. I dunno, but I'm hoping the city council legalizes AK-47s... Blasting them back with Bach or Mozart won't achieve the desired effect. John, this is why it is pointless to debate you. However, John Velez made a very thoughtful post on the same subject. He may be right: the presence of the debunkers sharpens the arguments and provides excellent information new to many (including me) - sometimes information new to all. Recent posts on 'The Battle of LA', the Mantel case, a hoax exposed by Bruce Maccabee, the new Roswell site created by David Rudiak, and many, many others, all attest to some absolutely outstanding work done by the members of this List in response to external demands for evidence, and internal demands on the self for scientific rigor. Dave Morton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Bill Barry? - Heath From: Gord Heath <gwheath@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:12:38 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:22:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Heath >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:23:56 +0200 >Subject: Re: Bill Barry? <snip> >But it only confirms P.T. Barnum, >"A sucker is born every minute". To me, Art Bell and Jeff Rense >are further confirmation of that statement. Speaking of Rense, I >took a recent check on his website and I still think he is an >anti-semite due to him still posting anti-semitic stories and >websites on his site. I am a frequent reader of the Jeff Rense site because I find different viewpoints than those expressed in the monopolistic minded mass media. I have noted that his site posts a lot of opinion that is what I would term "Anti-Israel". I don't think that one has to be anti-semitic in ones viewpoints to disagree with some of the politics in Israel. Indeed, Israel has the fortune of being a democratic country that does permit a healthy diversity of viewpoints. While I find myself tending to side with Israel on many or most political issues, I do think it is good to hear opposing points of view. I don't believe a lot of what I read on his site but the same applies to what I read or hear in other media. It seems odd that some of the referenced links on his list critisize the Jeff Rense site because it covers such "way out there topics" like UFOs. I think you'll find that tolerance of free speech is healthier than suppression of viewoints because you feel them to be examples of "racist" or "religious intolerant" viewpoints. >Happy trails, >Josh Happy trails to you too. Gord
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ballester From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:15:24 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:28:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case - Ballester >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:11:58 +0100 >Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Two New Items On Trindade Case >>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:09:21 +0000 Gentlemen, We will not advance our understanding by throwing adjectives (insulting-purposed) like pelicanists or UFO-booster each other. I confess I do admire Phil Klass, and I do admire Jerry Clark, I could not live without Rimmer=B4s Magonia, and I find fascinating the works by Dick Hall, and so on. So what? Every of those thinkers has contributed something of great value to the knowledge we hold of UFO phenomena over the years. I beg, please, respect for and amongst all! We all have something in common, we are committed to analyze a phenomenon attempting to find responses and it is fair and obvious that our ideas are a fuction of our own research experiencies. Lack of uniformity is good for the progress of any discussion, you know that. So do not spoil the discussion with insults. I would like to think that most of the audience to this exciting debate concurs with me. Best wishes, Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 The WHY? FILES From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:18:51 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:22:42 -0400 Subject: The WHY? FILES Hi All, Just thought I would introduce our website: "The WHY? FILES" - http://www.thewhyfiles.co.uk A comprehensive overview of UFOlogy and associated subjects - currently site of the month with UFO Research Organisation. Enjoy - Regards, Geoff Richardson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:16:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:27:02 +0000 >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:13:19 +0000 >>>Subject: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ <snip> >>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >Bob, >Two minds that [rarely] think as one. Dick, Yiikes! Bpb
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:51:23 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:25:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer >From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:08:31 EDT >Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:24:41 +0100 >>Fwd Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:01:36 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Rhetorical Question - Rimmer >Actually, John, my post was for the benefit of Wendy and other >adults. I don't know if anyone agreed with it or not, or if it >was useful, or even if they thought it was ridiculous, but they >were my intended audience. Sorry if I don't qualify as an adult, but this is a public forum and as fas as I can see people are at liberty to reply to anything posted on it. >I do lament the fact that I wasn't able to answer Wendy's >question regarding why _you_ are here; I didn't and don't know >the answer to that question - yet. Based on your response, >however, it appears that you _may_ fall into categories 1 and 4: >A person with a juvenile, combative attitude, and the guy who >was a horrible observer of detail. I don't see any reason why your _should_ be able to explain to Wendy why I contribute to this forum; after all, I would not dream of trying to explain to anyone why _you_ contribute to it. If I attempted to, though, I would try not to accuse you of being juvenile or a brat. Combative is a different matter, and i approve of people defending their opinions in strong terms. >I visited your website for the first time today, and browsed for >a little while. I have no major problems with you or anyone else >putting up a website debunking UFOs. Simply posting your URL on >this List from time to time should yield enough traffic and >interest to satisfy whatever it is that makes your clock tick. >But apparently, it doesn't. Perhaps that's why you're here, >eh?... Not enough traffic on the website? Got something to sell? >Magazine subscriptions, perhaps? Not that I mind... Posting URLs >is an excellent way for people to find out about other sites and >other information! I'm all for it - including doing it here! But >you probably won't convert too many people on _this_ List to >your version of history... Curiously, I post on this List in order to discuss ufology with other interested parties. If I should also encourage people to visit the Magonia website or subscribe to the magazine, well and good, but that is not the reason I am here. I find it curious that you and wendy appear to be setting yourselves up as arbiters of who should or should not contribute to UpDates. My view, based on a number of years of contributions, is that it is a forum which encourages a wide range of opinions on ufology to be discussed in a free and open atmosphere. Combatitiveness is permitted (even encouraged) so long as it does not descend into personal abuse. I think that your hints that sceptical ufologists are suffering from some form of psychological or social inadequacy or are in the pay of some governement agency are not so much offensive as bizarre. >I'm glad you've studied UFOs for 30 years. I have studied them >for 40 years, and I've seen 4 'big ones', and 2 more small >'possibles' which are just curiosities. <I have snipped your expanded paragraph about the computer programmer who went berserk, as I am still not too clear as to its relevance to this discussion.> >Not one sentence in my post stated or implied that skeptibunkers >are all 'brats'. However, I think some are. The same is true of >'all paid to denounce UFOs'. I referred only to Phil Klass (just >an opinion, of course). Since I think Mr. Klass _does_ have >class (at least, I've seen it exhibited once in a television >program), the paradox in his behaviour versus his wacko >statements might be explained by postulating that he's being >paid to be a dis-information specialist. I don't think anyone >who makes utterly absurd statements such as he does about UFOs >could also have the genteel refinement which he has exhibted. >Remember too, he paid off a $1000 bet to Stan Friedman on an MJ- >12 issue. He is misguided (or 'misguiding'), but he's honorable >when it comes to keeping his word. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only _polite_ sceptics are in the pay of some disinformation organisation? In that case I should be in the clear! >Clearly one can see from my post that I believe that >skeptibunkers are not one single personality type, but have >different personalities, different reasons for their >conclusions, and different reasons for taking the actions they >do. And my post was just a first attempt to delineate those >attributes. Perhaps with more thought and research, I could do >better - certainly someone with a background in psychology could >do _much_ better. I wonder if you have given similar thought to the personalities, motivations, and psychological profiles of those researchers who _do_ believe in the extraterrstrial origin of UFOs? >Sometimes, asking why debunkers inhabit groups like this is like >asking why some people drive through other people's >neighborhoods with their car stereos on full blast and their >windows rolled down. "Debunkers" "inhabit" groups like this because they wish to discuss UFOs with a wide range of people with differing opinions. It would appear that you only wish to discuss UFOs with people who share your own opinions - a singularly pointless exercise, in my opinion. >I dunno, but I'm hoping the city council >legalizes AK-47s... Blasting them back with Bach or Mozart >won't achieve the desired effect. >John, this is why it is pointless to debate you. Clearly, I would be unwilling to debate with anyone who felt they needed an AK-47 on their side! BTW, many years ago in Liverpool, I knew a guy who used to drive around playing Wagner extrememly loudly on his car stereo. The near hysterical reactions from the boy-racers was a wonder to behold. >However, John Velez made a very thoughtful post on the same >subject. He may be right: the presence of the debunkers sharpens >the arguments and provides excellent information new to many >(including me) - sometimes information new to all. Recent posts >on 'The Battle of LA', the Mantel case, a hoax exposed by Bruce >Maccabee, the new Roswell site created by David Rudiak, and >many, many others, all attest to some absolutely outstanding >work done by the members of this List in response to external >demands for evidence, and internal demands on the self for >scientific rigor. I was also impressed by Ballester-Olmos's thoughtful post, urging us all to be nice to each other and stop using names like "UFO-booster" and "skeptibunker". Probably the one thing which has reduced the level of UFO debate over the past years or so has been the use of the epithet "pelicanist" as a way of avoiding having to answer uncomfortable questions. Let's drop it, eh? -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk.arc.00.newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Bill Barry? - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:17 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:11:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Bill Barry? - Young >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:23:56 +0200 >Subject: Re: Bill Barry? >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:42:18 EDT >>Subject: Bill Barry? >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:33:32 -0700 >>>Subject: Bill Barry? >>>Does anyone know if Bill Barry is still alive? >>>Is he contactable? >>Do you mean Robert Barry? He died about ten years ago. He had a >>Saturday evening TV show devoted to UFOs, NASA films, bible >>readings and other UFOria. He was publicity director for the >>late Rev Dr. Carl MacIntyre's 20th Century Reformation Hour >>ministry, and also ran the one-man 20th Century UFO Bureau. He >>authored a few self-published booklets in the 60s and 70s and >>had some articles in UFO mags. >The notorius Rev. Carl McIntyre. Now there is nefarious wacko >whose name had not come to my mind in many a year. When I was a >ten year-old kid in living in Westmont New Jersey before in a few >years I wisely was moved to California. McIntyre was the >originator of "The KGB in Moscow is poisoning us by putting >fluoride in our water" theory along with all sorts of plots the >Satan Driven and Jesus Hating Commies were trying to defy God. Hi Josh: You're right about this crowd. Barry's "UFO Bureau" was an off-shoot of McInctyre's ministry, trying to slip in as much of their fundamentalist religious stuff as possible. The Saturday night midnight TV show was a real hoot, except when it actually made my hair stand on end. Bill Cooper was one of his favorites, particularly when he announced the formation of a "new project blue book". It hit 9.0 on my Wierd-Stuff-o-Meter. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:17:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >1. It's red. >2. It keeps coming back time after time. >3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >5. It seems to want alot of attention. Hi, Tom: Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. When launched by the same people, they do come back time after time, and they sure want to be seen. Clear skies, Bob Young
The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:21:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702I1 O4020905 September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien anal probes may be getting a bum rap. Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests they may have health benefits. She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured by the probes. Rodwell has probed the research and believes that the fear factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality. She says the problem is that too many Earthbound humans "still relate to the world as three-dimensional without realizing there are actually four dimensions." Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many children actually look forward to them and tell their parents
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 New At Magonia From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:54:07 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:29:30 -0400 Subject: New At Magonia Latest on the Magonia Website: www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm An Account of Experimental UFO Hoaxing David Simpson and Ken Raine review the famous Warminster Hoax, and ask if any lessons have been learned August Book Reviews The STENDEC mystery and books by Jenny Randles and Kevin Randle. Shockingly Close to the Truth John Rimmer reviews Jim Moseley's life in ufology -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:31:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:30:09 -0400 Subject: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) Yestertay I posted: >If you know of an FOIA request that has been rejected for >any reason (other than National Security), please advise me >at steve@konsulting.com. This request should relate to the >UFO field and efforts may be undertaken to pursue it >further. Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts in this. >Steve Kaeser As it turns out, FOIA rejections based on "National Security" are specifically being sought for possible follow up. I regret my misunderstanding. This request is being made because a Law Professor in the Washington DC area is interested in having some of his students take these FOIA requests on as a project, to see if they can obtain the requested information and also to give them a good understainding of the bureaucracy involved. Any information obtained through this effort will certainly be shared, and this looks like an interesting opportunity to get others involved in this quest (at least temporarily). My thanks to those who have responded already, and your additional thoughts are appreciated. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:31:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:30:09 -0400 Subject: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) Yestertay I posted: >If you know of an FOIA request that has been rejected for >any reason (other than National Security), please advise me >at steve@konsulting.com. This request should relate to the >UFO field and efforts may be undertaken to pursue it >further. Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts in this. >Steve Kaeser As it turns out, FOIA rejections based on "National Security" are specifically being sought for possible follow up. I regret my misunderstanding. This request is being made because a Law Professor in the Washington DC area is interested in having some of his students take these FOIA requests on as a project, to see if they can obtain the requested information and also to give them a good understainding of the bureaucracy involved. Any information obtained through this effort will certainly be shared, and this looks like an interesting opportunity to get others involved in this quest (at least temporarily). My thanks to those who have responded already, and your additional thoughts are appreciated. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:17 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:58:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>><snip> >>>Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down >>>under? >>Hi Jim, >>If you mean a hot air balloon, yes we do, but they don't >>operate in this area. But you most likely mean a tethered, >>helium one like: >>http://www.nbc4.com/technology/1576797/detail.html ><snip> >Yes, that's what I'm talking about. >I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >if you ignore the blimp's empennage... >==JJS== Hi again Jim! :) Yes, I'll certainly include it in further investigation! But you'd think if it were a shiny blimp, others would have reported it too! If I'm not working, I intend to head back there at the same time this weekend with my telescope etc. If it were a large jet farther out, as the ATC suggested, chances would be good that it's a sheduled flight, so I want to establish that. I was hoping a representative of AUFORN would have called me by now! I hope they are still operational? They haven't updated their website for some years. Is there anyone better to report it to on the Aussie scene? Or should I report it to MUFON or someone? I rang Cairns Water today and asked if they would know if someone had stolen their water? They said they certainly would, as when a pipe bursts, the phones run hot with complaints. I asked if there were any complaints from Trinity Beach last weekend? She said no, there were not! Regards Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:55:35 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:35:01 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702 I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >they may have health benefits. >She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic >ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured >by the probes. >Rodwell has probed the research and believes that the fear >factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality. >She says the problem is that too many Earthbound humans "still >relate to the world as three-dimensional without realizing there >are actually four dimensions." >Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >they learn more on UFOs than in school. >Rodwell is the author of a new book, "Awakening: How >Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life" (Beyond >Publications). Wonderful! Just what we need: More New Age nonscience (a.k.a., nonsense) that ignores the preponderance of evidence and substitutes touchy-feely wishful thinking. I hereby bestow the Barbed-Wire Anal Probe Award on her. - Dick Hall
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:30:30 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:00:03 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 86 September 5, 2002 ** IMAGINING ASHCROFT ** US-KOREA NUCLEAR PLANNING ** THINKING ABOUT PREEMPTION ** MARTIN KAMEN, 89 ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS IMAGINING ASHCROFT Attorney General John Ashcroft is a polarizing figure who has taken extreme stands on controversial questions of executive authority, government surveillance, personal privacy and public access to information. But he is also becoming a quasi-mythical character upon whom some critics project their worst fears and imaginings, to the detriment of public debate over real policy issues. One such imaginary claim that has recently been served up is that Ashcroft is bent on establishing internment camps for the detention of political undesirables under the guise of the war on terrorism. "Attorney General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be 'enemy combatants' has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace," declared Jonathan Turley, a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in an inflammatory August 14 op-ed in the Los Angeles Times entitled "Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision." "Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants," Turley wrote. "The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness of this important office," he added. That's a lot of errors in a short space. A search in the public record for any trace of Ashcroft's "announced desire" or his "plan" for "camps for U.S. citizens" turns up nothing. There was no such announcement. There is no such plan. For the record, "enemy combatants" are not even designated by the Attorney General, but by the President, and they are incarcerated under the authority of the Secretary of Defense, not the Attorney General. Pressed as to the sources for his colorful allegations, Turley offered two responses. He said that internment camps were "the natural extension" of the government's problematic behavior in the two cases of U.S. citizens held as enemy combatants -- Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi. And he cited an August 8 Wall Street Journal story, quoting an unnamed administration official who said that the South Carolina facility where Jose Padilla is being held could hold perhaps twenty more such prisoners. "The administration has not denied the story," Turley pointedly told Fox News. Voila! Incredibly, columnist and civil libertarian Nat Hentoff praised Turley's perspicacity this week, and advised readers that "the camps are being prepared." See "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps," Village Voice, September 4-10: http://villagevoice.com/issues/0236/hentoff.php Back on Earth, the Justice Department felt obliged to issue a statement rebutting Turley's allegations. "The attorney general has never announced nor does he or any member of the administration have any plan to establish wartime detention camps for U.S. citizens." US-KOREA NUCLEAR PLANNING U.S. contingency plans for nuclear conflict with North Korea in the context of the latest Nuclear Posture Review are examined by Hans M. Kristensen of the Nautilus Institute in the new Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ("Preemptive Posturing: What Happened to Deterrence?" Sept/Oct 2002). Some of the underlying planning documents, declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act, are available here: http://www.nautilus.org/nukestrat/USA/nsnf/4fw.html THINKING ABOUT PREEMPTION The evolving debate about a possible U.S. military strike against Iraq is also, more broadly, a debate about the propriety of the so-called Bush Doctrine, according to which the U.S. has a right to preemptively attack any nation that could pose a threat. The case against a policy of preemption was cogently expressed by Morton Halperin, the former Pentagon and State Department official who is now at the Open Society Institute. "In declaring such a doctrine, we need to articulate something that we're prepared to have others do as well. This administration doesn't understand that," Halperin told the Chicago Tribune. "It's impossible to articulate a doctrine [of preemption] which would not justify an Israeli attack on Iraq--because the Iraqis are much more likely to use weapons of mass destruction against Israel--or an Indian attack on Pakistan." See "Terror war has U.S. in dubious alliances" by Howard Witt in the Chicago Tribune, September 4: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0209040318sep04.story MARTIN KAMEN, 89 Martin Kamen, a member of the first generation of atomic scientists who got caught up in controversies over atomic espionage, died last week. Kamen is credited with co-discovery of the radioactive isotope Carbon-14, a milestone in biochemical research. But he was fired from the Berkeley Radiation Lab in 1944 after FBI agents overheard him discussing "radiation," "Lawrence," and other matters seemingly related to the U.S. nuclear weapons program over dinner with two KGB officers. His eventful career is described in this New York Times obituary: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/05/obituaries/05KAME.html SECRECY IN THE NEWS The current FBI investigation of a possible congressional leak of classified information provides an occasion to revisit the dramatic story of another FBI investigation of a purported congressional leak 16 years ago. See "Leak Probe Recalls 1986 Incident" by Damon Chappie in Roll Call, September 5: http://www.rollcall.com/pages/news/00/2002/09/news0905f.html The now familiar litany of complaints about Bush Administration secrecy is recapitulated in "Bush Expands Government Secrecy, Arouses Critics" by Alan Elsner of Reuters, September 3: http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=1403619 _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:21 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:14:26 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 - >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:07:21 -0700 >Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:41:39 EDT >>Subject: Re: UFO Situation Near Youngstown, OH - 26-08-02 <snip> >In my questioning the witness about this, he did inform that he >observed the object move gradually from one point to another and >from 'left to right' at one point to another which, he said, >occurred within about a 2-minute period. Kenny: How far did he think that it moved across the sky? >And by the way, there has been another UFO sighting report from >this area on August 30th and this one was from a truck driver. >The truck driver was traveling east on Route 422 near Ebensburg, >PA when he spotted a strange circle of lights in the sky. The > trucker's wife filed the report on his behalf, saying: "They >were a ring of steady white lights with a light in the center, >the formation was about the size of a nickel held at arm's >length. The sighting occurred sometime between 5 and 5:30 on >Friday, August 30. AM or PM? Thanks, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:17:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >1. It's red. >2. It keeps coming back time after time. >3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >5. It seems to want alot of attention. Hi, Tom: Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. When launched by the same people, they do come back time after time, and they sure want to be seen. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:17 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:27:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>><snip> >>>Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down >>>under? >>Hi Jim, >>If you mean a hot air balloon, yes we do, but they don't >>operate in this area. But you most likely mean a tethered, >>helium one like: >>http://www.nbc4.com/technology/1576797/detail.html ><snip> >Yes, that's what I'm talking about. >I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >if you ignore the blimp's empennage... >==JJS== Hi again Jim! :) Yes, I'll certainly include it in further investigation! But you'd think if it were a shiny blimp, others would have reported it too! If I'm not working, I intend to head back there at the same time this weekend with my telescope etc. If it were a large jet farther out, as the ATC suggested, chances would be good that it's a sheduled flight, so I want to establish that. I was hoping a representative of AUFORN would have called me by now! I hope they are still operational? They haven't updated their website for some years. Is there anyone better to report it to on the Aussie scene? Or should I report it to MUFON or someone? I rang Cairns Water today and asked if they would know if someone had stolen their water? They said they certainly would, as when a pipe bursts, the phones run hot with complaints. I asked if there were any complaints from Trinity Beach last weekend? She said no, there were not! Regards Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Chile: All Signs Point To UFO From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:22:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:34:59 -0400 Subject: Chile: All Signs Point To UFO SOURCE: Diario "Cr=F3nica" (Chile) DATE: Wednesday, September 4, 2002 The Mystery of a "Strange Visitor" in the Chilean Sky The UFO recorded on Monday night by a reporter from "Cr=F3nica" in the Los Lirios de Concepci=F3n sector, which was also witnessed from various other locations, is thought-provoking. The video recording was achieved with an ordinary Samsung camcorder, and it clearly shows a solid-looking object which remained suspended several meters over the crest of Cerro Caracol for a number of minutes. The object was first seen at around 21:25 hrs (the time shown in the recording is incorrect, since it is two hours fast), and remained at the site for some 10 minutes. The object was somewhat larger than a star and smaller than the bulb of a light source, and was at 20 degrees elevation. The night was completely clear and it was indeed possible to see the stars. Even Venus, the planet habitually mistaken for a UFO, was slightly visible--on the opposite side of the celestial dome. A light layer of fog, however, covered the sky above the phenomenon recorded by the camera, but below the mean elevation at which the stars can be clearly seen. It is very likely that humidity may have played a role in the optical effect of what was being seen--enlarging it--but without a doubt something produced that image. The alleged object remained static throughout the time it remained at the location, giving the impression of brushing against the treetops, but it later diminished gradually in size, creating the effect of a candle being blown out. Oddly enough, when it was no longer visible at Los Lirios, it remained visible from the Los Carrera avenue, where it was seen for a few minutes more. What was it? We do not know. But we can state that it wasn't an airplane, not only because it didn't move (no comment) but because the camera recorded precisely the crossing of one of two jets flying in the vicinity of Carriel Sur at that time. The intermittent lights issued were not even visible when the image was frozen, and as is obvious, it was an object in motion... The Carriel Sur airport records practically no information regarding strange or unexplained object in the sky under its custody, and this did not change with Monday night's sighting. According to Juan Gomez, the airport's director of operations, at the time when the startling event was recorded--at around 21:00 hours--there was commercial air traffic from the south, specifically from Temuco, which could account for the presence of an intense light brighter than that of a star, for example. In spite of this, the metal birds do move, and according to eyewitness accounts--among them, that of the author of this article--the phenomenon a few nights ago remained static for nearly an hour. The control tower picked up nothing, said the expert, and it operates 24 hours a day. Nor did the air traffic controller leave any record of this event, and when there are sightings of this kind and phone calls are received from people, the radar is usually alerted to find out if anything has been picked up, which did not occur on this occasion. Consulted about a reasonable explanation, the air traffic controler argued that he could only think of some heavenly body. He dismissed the possibility of any weather balloons, since those devices are not launched from the area and would not be launched at night, in any event. "We aren't experts on the subject either. Generally when such cases emerge, we forward them to the Comit=E9 de Estudos de Fen=F3menos A=E9reos An=F3malos (CEFAA)," he noted. Juan Gomez has worked for 12 years in this field and came to Carriel Sur early this year. His experience with such things is minimal, he said yesterday. He is also ignorant of any background information on strange sightings at Carriel Sur--only one which took place a few years ago, when two commercial airliners reported seeing something strange, but nothing aside from that. The boys concerned with studing UFOs in our area have put forth a wide array of ideas and hypotheses to explain the strange lights which appeared in the skies earlier this week. We provided some visual evidence to the experts so they could issue an opinion on what was seen. Cautioning that it was only an initial hypothesis, Hector Mendez of AIFOC (Agrupacion de Investigaci=F3n Cient=EDfica del Fen=F3meno Ovni) remarked that the object has a temperature greater than that of a star. He juggled two options: the first was related to the refraction of a planet, like Jupiter and Venus, a situation which is caused by the ambient temperature this time of year. "The spectrum we note is generated by the lens of the camera which recorded the object. It is a spectrum different from the one left by an airplane, which is red, compared to the one seen here, which is green," he noted. The other alternative--which is rather difficult given the season of the year-- is that it could be an ionization trail, produced by airliner turbulence. He also dismissed the possibility that it could have been seen by radar, since under extreme conditions, had it been some kind of alien object, which is believed to remain suspended by means of electromagnetism, it would have eluded radar (sic). He remarked that it was necessary to study the recording in greater detail, comparing the stars visible at the time in question, conduct a site visit and forward the evidence to CEFAA. On the other hand, Leonardo Torres of MUFON noted that "the initial impression is that we are dealing with a solid body that doesn't reflect light--it generates it, like the headlights of a car." Since the object was seen several hours after sunset, he adds that it could not have reflected sunlight. "To me its a UFO. An astronomical phenomenon cannot be ruled out, but it's difficult to say it was a star, given its greater brilliance," he stated. Torres, sharing the same opinion as Mendez, pointed out that further studies of the recording were needed, along with analyzing the camera's zoom lens and the conditions existing on that day. The object drew the attention of other locals, each of whom provided his or her own version about the body which flew over our heads. Erika Vasquez was one of the people who saw the suggestive light. According to this resident of the Collao sector, her daughter called her by phone, asking her to look at the object through the window. "I went up to the second storey of my house and saw it to the left of some new buildings around nine o'clock at night," said the woman, who went back upstairs after a while to continue her observations, but on this occasion could only see part of the object, since some trees covered part of the object. "I was dumbfounded when I saw it," she remarked. A resident of the Santa Sabina neighborhood--who chose to remain anonymous--also witnessed the shining object at around 21:30 hours, as he noted, when he went out to buy a drink at a store close to his home, some minutes away. As he walked, he saw an intense source of light to the southwest which under no circumstances could be mistaken for a star, he said, noting that the body's luminosity and size was larger than that of a star, believing that it could be some planet visible during the early hours of the evening. However, he paid no further mind. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Translation (C)2002 Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special thanks to Gloria Coluchi.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:55:35 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:35:01 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702 I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >they may have health benefits. >She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic >ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured >by the probes. >Rodwell has probed the research and believes that the fear >factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality. >She says the problem is that too many Earthbound humans "still >relate to the world as three-dimensional without realizing there >are actually four dimensions." >Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >they learn more on UFOs than in school. >Rodwell is the author of a new book, "Awakening: How >Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life" (Beyond >Publications). Wonderful! Just what we need: More New Age nonscience (a.k.a., nonsense) that ignores the preponderance of evidence and substitutes touchy-feely wishful thinking. I hereby bestow the Barbed-Wire Anal Probe Award on her. - Dick Hall
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:10:17 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:58:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:31:57 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>><snip> >>>Sounds like it might be an aerostat? Do you have those down >>>under? >>Hi Jim, >>If you mean a hot air balloon, yes we do, but they don't >>operate in this area. But you most likely mean a tethered, >>helium one like: >>http://www.nbc4.com/technology/1576797/detail.html ><snip> >Yes, that's what I'm talking about. >I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >if you ignore the blimp's empennage... >==JJS== Hi again Jim! :) Yes, I'll certainly include it in further investigation! But you'd think if it were a shiny blimp, others would have reported it too! If I'm not working, I intend to head back there at the same time this weekend with my telescope etc. If it were a large jet farther out, as the ATC suggested, chances would be good that it's a sheduled flight, so I want to establish that. I was hoping a representative of AUFORN would have called me by now! I hope they are still operational? They haven't updated their website for some years. Is there anyone better to report it to on the Aussie scene? Or should I report it to MUFON or someone? I rang Cairns Water today and asked if they would know if someone had stolen their water? They said they certainly would, as when a pipe bursts, the phones run hot with complaints. I asked if there were any complaints from Trinity Beach last weekend? She said no, there were not! Regards Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:55:35 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:35:01 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Hall >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702 I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >they may have health benefits. >She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic >ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured >by the probes. >Rodwell has probed the research and believes that the fear >factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality. >She says the problem is that too many Earthbound humans "still >relate to the world as three-dimensional without realizing there >are actually four dimensions." >Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >they learn more on UFOs than in school. >Rodwell is the author of a new book, "Awakening: How >Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life" (Beyond >Publications). Wonderful! Just what we need: More New Age nonscience (a.k.a., nonsense) that ignores the preponderance of evidence and substitutes touchy-feely wishful thinking. I hereby bestow the Barbed-Wire Anal Probe Award on her. - Dick Hall
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:31:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:30:09 -0400 Subject: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) Yestertay I posted: >If you know of an FOIA request that has been rejected for >any reason (other than National Security), please advise me >at steve@konsulting.com. This request should relate to the >UFO field and efforts may be undertaken to pursue it >further. Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts in this. >Steve Kaeser As it turns out, FOIA rejections based on "National Security" are specifically being sought for possible follow up. I regret my misunderstanding. This request is being made because a Law Professor in the Washington DC area is interested in having some of his students take these FOIA requests on as a project, to see if they can obtain the requested information and also to give them a good understainding of the bureaucracy involved. Any information obtained through this effort will certainly be shared, and this looks like an interesting opportunity to get others involved in this quest (at least temporarily). My thanks to those who have responded already, and your additional thoughts are appreciated. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 5 Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:30:30 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:00:03 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/05/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 86 September 5, 2002 ** IMAGINING ASHCROFT ** US-KOREA NUCLEAR PLANNING ** THINKING ABOUT PREEMPTION ** MARTIN KAMEN, 89 ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS IMAGINING ASHCROFT Attorney General John Ashcroft is a polarizing figure who has taken extreme stands on controversial questions of executive authority, government surveillance, personal privacy and public access to information. But he is also becoming a quasi-mythical character upon whom some critics project their worst fears and imaginings, to the detriment of public debate over real policy issues. One such imaginary claim that has recently been served up is that Ashcroft is bent on establishing internment camps for the detention of political undesirables under the guise of the war on terrorism. "Attorney General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be 'enemy combatants' has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace," declared Jonathan Turley, a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in an inflammatory August 14 op-ed in the Los Angeles Times entitled "Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision." "Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants," Turley wrote. "The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness of this important office," he added. That's a lot of errors in a short space. A search in the public record for any trace of Ashcroft's "announced desire" or his "plan" for "camps for U.S. citizens" turns up nothing. There was no such announcement. There is no such plan. For the record, "enemy combatants" are not even designated by the Attorney General, but by the President, and they are incarcerated under the authority of the Secretary of Defense, not the Attorney General. Pressed as to the sources for his colorful allegations, Turley offered two responses. He said that internment camps were "the natural extension" of the government's problematic behavior in the two cases of U.S. citizens held as enemy combatants -- Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi. And he cited an August 8 Wall Street Journal story, quoting an unnamed administration official who said that the South Carolina facility where Jose Padilla is being held could hold perhaps twenty more such prisoners. "The administration has not denied the story," Turley pointedly told Fox News. Voila! Incredibly, columnist and civil libertarian Nat Hentoff praised Turley's perspicacity this week, and advised readers that "the camps are being prepared." See "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps," Village Voice, September 4-10: http://villagevoice.com/issues/0236/hentoff.php Back on Earth, the Justice Department felt obliged to issue a statement rebutting Turley's allegations. "The attorney general has never announced nor does he or any member of the administration have any plan to establish wartime detention camps for U.S. citizens." US-KOREA NUCLEAR PLANNING U.S. contingency plans for nuclear conflict with North Korea in the context of the latest Nuclear Posture Review are examined by Hans M. Kristensen of the Nautilus Institute in the new Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ("Preemptive Posturing: What Happened to Deterrence?" Sept/Oct 2002). Some of the underlying planning documents, declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act, are available here: http://www.nautilus.org/nukestrat/USA/nsnf/4fw.html THINKING ABOUT PREEMPTION The evolving debate about a possible U.S. military strike against Iraq is also, more broadly, a debate about the propriety of the so-called Bush Doctrine, according to which the U.S. has a right to preemptively attack any nation that could pose a threat. The case against a policy of preemption was cogently expressed by Morton Halperin, the former Pentagon and State Department official who is now at the Open Society Institute. "In declaring such a doctrine, we need to articulate something that we're prepared to have others do as well. This administration doesn't understand that," Halperin told the Chicago Tribune. "It's impossible to articulate a doctrine [of preemption] which would not justify an Israeli attack on Iraq--because the Iraqis are much more likely to use weapons of mass destruction against Israel--or an Indian attack on Pakistan." See "Terror war has U.S. in dubious alliances" by Howard Witt in the Chicago Tribune, September 4: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0209040318sep04.story MARTIN KAMEN, 89 Martin Kamen, a member of the first generation of atomic scientists who got caught up in controversies over atomic espionage, died last week. Kamen is credited with co-discovery of the radioactive isotope Carbon-14, a milestone in biochemical research. But he was fired from the Berkeley Radiation Lab in 1944 after FBI agents overheard him discussing "radiation," "Lawrence," and other matters seemingly related to the U.S. nuclear weapons program over dinner with two KGB officers. His eventful career is described in this New York Times obituary: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/05/obituaries/05KAME.html SECRECY IN THE NEWS The current FBI investigation of a possible congressional leak of classified information provides an occasion to revisit the dramatic story of another FBI investigation of a purported congressional leak 16 years ago. See "Leak Probe Recalls 1986 Incident" by Damon Chappie in Roll Call, September 5: http://www.rollcall.com/pages/news/00/2002/09/news0905f.html The now familiar litany of complaints about Bush Administration secrecy is recapitulated in "Bush Expands Government Secrecy, Arouses Critics" by Alan Elsner of Reuters, September 3: http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=1403619 _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 West Virginia: UFO Cult In Effort To Clone Dead Son From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 01:46:07 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:00:43 -0400 Subject: West Virginia: UFO Cult In Effort To Clone Dead Son Source: San Antonio Express-News http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=3Dsaen&xlb=3D1330&xlc=3D804345&xl= d=3D1330 Stig *** UFO cult enlisted in effort to clone dead son By Roy Bragg San Antonio Express-News Web Posted : 09/05/2002 12:00 AM ** NITRO, W.Va. =97 A global drama involving a French UFO cult, a former state legislator, his dead toddler and a secretive cloning project unfolded in the unlikeliest of places =97 an old high school science lab in this remote coal town. Most townspeople had no idea what was going on in Room 201 of the Nitro Community Center, said Mayor Rudy Casto, whose City Hall office is across the street. "I think that maybe two or three people may have known (what was happening), but they didn't tell anybody," Casto said. "It's kind of scary, when you think about that going on right under your nose," said Audra Lewis, a City Hall worker. The lab was located down an empty hall of the converted high school, which sits in the middle of the town's business district. "I used to have math in the class next door," said Casto, a lifelong Nitro resident, walking down the hallway recently. For 10 months in late 2000 and the first half of 2001, researchers associated with the Raellian movement worked feverishly behind locked doors, having little contact with locals in the town of 6,700 residents. The science lab was used because it had connections for water, gas and electricity, said Bill Halstead, the community center's manager. Mark Hunt, an attorney in nearby Charleston who commissioned the work, declined comment for this story. Dr. Bridget Boissellier, a chemist employed by Clonaid, the research arm of the Raellian movement, also declined comment, citing an order from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that shut down the project last summer. She ran the project and heads Clonaid's human-cloning efforts. Hunt, a three-term delegate, hired Boissellier to replicate his 10-month-old son Andrew, who died from complications after open- heart surgery performed to correct a valve blockage and a hole in his heart, according to a pair of interviews last year. Hunt said he pulled the plug on the project after 10 months because of the lack of progress and suspicions that Boissellier was more interested in publicity. Casto, standing in the abandoned classroom recently, has his own theory. "I don't think any cloning at all went on here," he said. "In my opinion, it was nothing but a big scam to get Mr. Hunt out of a bunch of money." Hunt, according to published and broadcast reports, spent $500,000 on the failed plan. The story begins with the Raellians, described in the group's literature as "an atheist, nonprofit, spiritual organization. The Raels claim, with 5,000 members, to be the world's largest nonprofit UFO organization. It's headquartered in Geneva and sports 55 offices around the world, including locations in Miami, Hawaii and Las Vegas. According to the group's Web site, the group was founded by Claude Vorhilon, now known as Rael. He's described as a French journalist and race car driver who was contacted by a UFO on Dec. 13, 1973, and told to establish an embassy to welcome the aliens back to Earth. Part of the group's theology includes reproductive cloning of humans. The group established Clonaid, headquartered in Quebec, to undertake that mission. Clonaid claims it is close to producing the world's first cloned human, manufactured at an off-shore lab and carried in the womb of one of the several female members who volunteered for the project, though it has not offered proof. Hunt and his wife, Tracy, told ABC News they are not members of the cult. The couple said no cloning was supposed to occur in Nitro. Rather, Boissellier and her staff were just studying the viability of tissue samples. "If there's a way down the road to create a twin of my child, I'm going to do it," Hunt told the building's manager, in a phone call that was shared with a reporter at the time. "I'll spend all my money. If I can bring my son home, I'm going to do it. But I'm not going to do it in Nitro. Never intended to. They were just looking at his cells." The couple has had another son, Mark Jr., since Andrew's death, but Hunt said he would continue to seek a way to clone the boy. rbragg@express-news.net 09/05/2002 ** =A9 2002 KENS 5 and the San Antonio Express-News. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 UFO Conference From: Tom Benson <sparkle@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:10:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:07:25 -0400 Subject: UFO Conference List: The Great UFO & Earth Mysteries Congress of 2002 will be held on October 12 & 13, 2002 at the Days Inn in Bordentown, NJ. Speakers and their topics include the following: Dr. Tom Van Flandern - Life on Mars - Scientific Evidence| James W, Moseley - Shockingly Close to the Truth Dr. Paul LaViolette - The Talk of the Galaxies Danile Cohen - A Close Look at Close Encounters Dr. David M. Jacobs - Beyond the Threat White Eagle - Ancient Native American Teaching Rev. Jayne Howard - Commune with the Angels Ingo Swan - Remote Viewing of UFOs & ETs Chris Styles - The Shag Harbour UFO Crash Dr. Bruce Maccabee - The UFO/FBI Connection For complete information see our website at: http://www.drufo.org Tom Benson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Speakers for Cincinnati UFO Conference - 9/28 From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:06:38 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:09:33 -0400 Subject: Speakers for Cincinnati UFO Conference - 9/28 The following is a list of speakers to appear at the 39th Annual NATIONAL UFO CONFERENCE coming to Cincinnati, Ohio at 1:00 p.m. on Saturday, September 28th: UFO Researcher and NUFOC '02 organizer KENNY YOUNG will begin the conference with a welcome and opening statement. Next, DONNIE BLESSING, Cincinnati investigator, will speak about recent UFO sightings in Ohio. Donnie is a retired librarian from the Clermont County, Ohio Library system and she has had a life long interest in UFOs. She is the Southern Ohio Section Director for the Mutual UFO Network. RICK HILBERG will present an illustrated "UFOs: The First 30- years." Hilberg, a UFO researcher and lecturer, has written and published numerous articles about UFOs for over 30-years. He is the editor of Flying Saucer Digest and Weirdology Newsletter, a Fortean publication. He is one of the founders of the National UFO Conference. DON WEATHERBY is a former NUFOC organizer and has devised the Worldwide UFO Database. Don will also present information concerning the database and efforts to identify patterns in reported UFO sightings. JERRY BLACK will present a message entitled: "Credibility In UFOlogy." Jerry Black is a primary investigator in the case of the Ladies of Liberty UFO abduction of three Kentucky women in 1976. Black has been a controversial figure in UFOlogy with his criticism of the methods used in the investigation of the famous Ed Walters/Gulf Breeze UFO photos. Black has also been critical of several national UFO researchers, taking them to task for questionable methods used during investigative auspices TERRY ENDRES will lecture on "Alien Life - Is It Out There?" Terry Endres is a long-time student of ufology since the summer of 1966 when he and his family witnessed a UFO. A long time associate of the Center for UFO Studies, Terry is employed by Cincinnati State College where he manages the writing center and teaches astronomy and geology classes. Terry's current conviction is that UFOs are a real, physical phenomenon. The possibility that they represent alien life cannot be completely discounted. JOHN TIMMERMAN of Lima, Ohio is a long-time UFO investigator and a treasurer for the Center for UFO Studies. John will present compelling photographic evidence of of the mysterious Unidentified Flying Objects. DERREL SIMMS will speak about "Advanced Alien Technology." Derrel is a Certified Hypnotic Anesthesiologist, Certified Master Hypnotherapist, Certified Medical Hypnotherapist, and has a Master Level in Neuro Linguistic Programming. He has trained extensively in many disciplines including Linguistics, Handwriting Analysis and Time Line Therapy. Simms is a Licensed Private Investigator in the State of Texas. He is also a Licensed Process Server in District Courts of Harris County. Derrel Simms has researched the UFO abduction phenomena and been involved in the surgical removal of alleged alien implants and has also been a key investigator involved with the discovery of fluorescence, a residue found on abduction victims and also at cattle mutilation locations. Derrel's website is at: http://www.alienhunter.org STEPHEN BASSETT will be present to speak about "The Politics of Disclosure." Bassett is an independent candidate for congress in Maryland's 8th District. He will be the first person to ever appear on any national/gubernatorial November ballot who speaks to the fact of an extraterrestrial presence and the government imposed embargo on the truth of that fact. He will talk about the campaign and what it intends to accomplish. Stephen Bassett is the founder of Paradigm Research Group; Executive Director of the Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee (X- PPAC, pronounced "expack"), the first PAC in history to target the political implications of UFO/ET phenomena; author of the Paradigm Clock website; and a political columnist/commentator. He is the only registered lobbyist in the U.S. representing UFO/ET research/activist organizations. He announced his candidacy on April 19, 2002. JIM MOSELEY will present "Weird Personal Experiences of A Skeptical UFOlogist." Moseley, a permanent chairman of the National UFO Conference, has been in the UFO field for almost half of a century and is the publisher of Saucer Smear, a humorous 'zine about the personalities in the UFO field. Jim Moseley will speak about his just-published book "Shockingly Close To The Truth!" with Karl Pflock and Jim will also tell about weird personal experiences regarding saucers and the paranormal. The NATIONAL UFO CONFERENCE will be held at the Kings Island Resort and Conference Center and begin promptly at 1:00 p.m. Tickets are available at the door for $15.00 each on a first come, first served basis. Advance tickets are available at $12 each. For information on how to order advance tickets, send an email to ufo@fuse.net More information is available at the website: http://home.fuse.net/ufo or the Cincinnati UFO Hotline at 513-588-4548
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests From: Scott Hale <sh5259a@american.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:55:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:14:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests >From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Looking For Rejected FOIA Requests (Correction) >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:31:43 -0400 >Yestertay I posted: >>If you know of an FOIA request that has been rejected for >>any reason (other than National Security), please advise me >>at steve@konsulting.com. This request should relate to the >>UFO field and efforts may be undertaken to pursue it >>further. Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts in this. >>Steve Kaeser >As it turns out, FOIA rejections based on "National Security" >are specifically being sought for possible follow up. I regret >my misunderstanding. >This request is being made because a Law Professor in the >Washington DC area is interested in having some of his students >take these FOIA requests on as a project, to see if they can >obtain the requested information and also to give them a good >understainding of the bureaucracy involved. Any information >obtained through this effort will certainly be shared, and this >looks like an interesting opportunity to get others involved in >this quest (at least temporarily). >My thanks to those who have responded already, and your >additional thoughts are appreciated. Very interesting. I'm a student in the DC area, I wonder if I know the professor. My area is computer science, but it'd be interesting to know who's doing research of this sort over here. Scott Hale
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:04:37 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:16:27 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09->05&nav=VIEW&id= >93IW702I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >they may have health benefits. >She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic >ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured >by the probes. One wonders what kind of cure all medication the aliens put on their anal probes that cures everything..... Hmm, could give the phrase "Shove it" a whole new and positive meaning.... :) Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Maccabee From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:54:15 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 09:04:38 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Maccabee >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:21:00 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702 I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >they may have health benefits. <snip> >Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >they learn more on UFOs than in school. Many children? How many? >Rodwell is the author of a new book, "Awakening: How >Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life" (Beyond >Publications). No wonder ufologists are considered to be "a bit off" if not complete horses asses!!!!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 HBCC UFO Reports - 09-05-02 From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:33:04 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:55:03 -0400 Subject: HBCC UFO Reports - 09-05-02 HBCC UFO - Houston British Columbia Canada UFO Hi List, Telkwa, British Columbia Date: May 19, 2002 Time: approx: 1:05 a.m. I spoke today (September 5, 2002) with two people. One was the witness who watched an extremely bright light ( a large mass) flying very slowly over their farm, and the sister of this gentleman who was the one who informed me of this event. The witnesses sister told me about an event that took place back on May 19, 2002 on her brothers farm in Telkwa, British Columbia, Canada. The sister lives in Smithers, B.C. and works for a well known business and of course wanted to remain anonymous. She filled me in with a little information in which her brother had told to her after the May 19, experience, and how it effected him mentally after seeing what he saw. I asked her if she thought her brother might talk to me about what happened, and she said she would call him, it wasn't long afterwards when the witness did call. One of the first things he asked was, would I have an explanation to what he had seen. The witness went on to say that he went to bed around 11:30 p.m. on May 19, 2002 and was woken up approx an hour and a half later due to his dogs barking like crazy, he mentioned it was normal for them to bark at coyotes which are around the farm howling at night, or other wildlife which crosses their fields. The witness said the dogs also were acting up more than normal, and they did sound rather stressed at something, so he got up out of bed to see what was bothering the dogs, also telling them to be quiet. As he walked through the kitchen towards the back door, we noticed a bright glow of white light coming in through the kitchen window. ( Investigator note: I know exactly where his property is, as I was just out in the neighborhood just recently interviewing witnesses from the July 29, 2002 sighting. There are no street lights in his area and the occasional light from a neighbor's farm in the distance.) He went outside and walked out looking to see where this light was coming from. Over the field and approx: 1000 feet up, a large mass of white light was slowly moving across the sky heading in a northwesterly direction. (I asked just how fast was the mass of light moving, his example of the speed was, "it moved a fast a small Ultra-light aircraft or close to it"). The witness said the whole field, trees, home, and barns were all bathed in this white light. He watched this for a few seconds, then called his pets and ran back into his home. Now when I talked with his sister, I asked if he reported the sighting to anyone after it happened, such as the RCMP in Smithers. Now she thinks he did, so I am assuming he mentioned this to her. But when I asked him, he said he had not told anyone other than his family. (HBCC Note: When I dropped by the RCMP detachment about a month ago, they did not have any other sighting reports on file, as I asked. Mind you, I knew they had one other report as they took the details off of me and opened a file on it.). The witness did not want to go into it much more. But his sister did tell me that he was a mess after the encounter. She said the whole family had not believed in UFOs to speak of, but did always wonderful if there could be some form of life out "there". She also said it took him months to finally deal with it, and get back to a somewhat normal routine. Thank you to the folks for there report. -------------------------- Burns Lake, British Columbia Date: August 22, 2002 Time: approx: 10:45 (HBCC UFO - Note) I still don't have a lot on this sighting, but this is the little I received from the newspaper. Two brothers were outside when the notice a bight white object at a low level moving slowly across the sky. One of the brothers went next door and had his neighbor come out to watch the object. It took approx: 10 - 15 seconds to pass from their view. According to the newspaper the brothers, said it was no plane they knew of. Thanks to the newspaper for this report ----------------------- Meziadin Junction, British Columbia Date: August 27, 2002 Time: not given. I ran into a lady who works in our Post office, she asked if I had received a sighting report from Meziadin Junction, British Columbia. I told her no, so she gave me the little she did know about it. Three witnesses, two Arrow transport trucks hauling concentrated mineral from the Huckleberry mine (which is just located approx: 80 kilometers outside of Houston, B.C.) spotted a large bright object in a stationary position below the horizon of the mountains. The object was ringed with different colored lights. Both trucks pulled over to the side of Highway #37 and turned the ignition off and sat and watched the object for approx: 10 minutes before it rose up slightly and moved down the valley and out of their line of sight. I am still trying to get a hold of the witness for a more detailed report. ------------------------------ Prince Rupert, British Columbia Date: August 30, 2002 Time: approx: 11:35 p.m. A lone witness reported seeing two solid objects traveling together at a low level out from the Prince Rupert harbor. The objects stopped at one point, made a quick turn heading northeast toward Khutzeymateen Park. (HBCC UFO Note - Again, I am waiting for details on this sighting and hope to have them soon. ---------------------------- Kitwanga, British Columbia Date: September 4, 2002 Time: approx: 9:15 p.m. A witness telephoned me last night and told me he had just witnessed a couple of "green - transparent" balls of light traveling in a southwesterly direction at a low level. I asked the witness if he could give me an approx: altitude the green lights were at. He guessed they could have been around ten thousand feet or so. HBCC UFO Note - Not sure about this one guys.) ---------------------- Houston, British Columbia Date: approx: 22, 2002 Time: None given. (daylight sighting) (HBCC UFO Note - Again, I Have no more information on this report, and hoping the witness will contact me). Brian: I just came back from (deleted by HBCC UFO) office and I did hear there that one of the Planning Forester's father, who delivers coffee in Northern BC, did have a daylight sighting of a silvery disk inside of Houston, BC. This event took place 14 days ago. I confirmed with the Planning Forester the correctness of the statement and he asked me to forward your phone # which I have done already. Are you aware of this sighting? ----------------- Kitwancool, British Columbia Date: None given Time: None given HBCC UFO Note - Waiting to do a telephone interview about this report). Secondly, (deleted by HBCC UFO) mother told us yesterday that a " very respectable "Gitskan man did witness 9 ( nine ) disks parked beside Highway 37 going towards the village of Kitwancool, B.C.. She did not mention when " this event " took place . I will try, if you are interested, to set up a phone call with her for the next weekend. ----------------------------- " Moose Carcass Site without vegetation " Now about this case, which I have not been out on as it took place a while back and I have no idea what the condition of the area would be like. The good part is, I am going to interview the second forestry worker who was there and saw the approx: 20 feet circle and the Moose Carcass. This is an interesting report. So hope to have this for you all soon. Take care Brian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - King From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:07:30 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:02:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - King >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >>Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >>same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >>Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >>1. It's red. >>2. It keeps coming back time after time. >>3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >>4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >>5. It seems to want alot of attention. >Hi, Tom: >Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >time, and they sure want to be seen. Bob, Don't you think we could tell a fireball when we see one? Hell, with all those video cameras, telescopes, and scanners I think we'd solve it before 30 sightings came along. Not to mention nobody's house ever burned down after a Bubba sighting, nor was a fireballoon found. Not to mention "the fireballoon" ejects smaller white objects "smaller white fire balloons" that fly around it. The so-called fireball also pulses rapidly, much too fast for fire to create, when the "fire balloon" suddenly increases its speed by a factor of 5 or more. Why don't you try making your own fireballs and releasing it 30 times right in the path of landing commercial aircraft. Take your videocamera and see if it looks like Bubba. Try to get it to strobe and fly away fast after 20 minutes of flight. Or better yet break in two and each one shoot away in different directions. I won't hold my breath waiting for any simulations. Tom King
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: New At Magonia - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:10:04 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:33:37 -0400 Subject: Re: New At Magonia - Hall >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:54:07 +0100 >Subject: New At Magonia >Latest on the Magonia Website: >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm >An Account of Experimental UFO Hoaxing >David Simpson and Ken Raine review the famous Warminster Hoax, >and ask if any lessons have been learned >August Book Reviews >The STENDEC mystery and books by Jenny Randles and Kevin Randle. >Shockingly Close to the Truth >John Rimmer reviews Jim Moseley's life in ufology >John Rimmer >Magonia Magazine >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm Hey, John, what is this? Another "read my book" response. Ol' disingenuous John. Can't wait to read your review of the Moseley/Pflock book, which I bet you love because it helps to make the whole subject look silly. Bet you have no idea of what sleazy, slimy untruths and distortions it contains either. You asked me very complex methodological and philosophical questions about the UFO subject on another thread, and when I suggested you read The UFO Evidence, Volume II, which fully answers (or at least responds to) your questions, you dissed me. (You should look it up in American slang.) By the way, Librarian John, you said my book was not available in the UK. The title page says "The Scarecrow Press, Inc., Lanham, Maryland, and London 2000 [sic; it was actually published in 2001]. Dare I say: "John Rimmer has spoken; sixty years of investigation have led nowhere and there is nothing to UFOs." Seems to me I heard that put-down addressed to me not long ago. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It must be nice to be so cocksure. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:25:55 UT Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:35:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >>Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >>same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >>Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >>1. It's red. >>2. It keeps coming back time after time. >>3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >>4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >>5. It seems to want alot of attention. >Hi, Tom: >Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >time, and they sure want to be seen. Hey Tom, my friend, do you feel the heat from the fire balloons or from the debunkers? Isn't funny how fire balloons know when to turn off and turn back on or even move rapidly to another part of the sky? I guess any mundane explanation is better than a mystery. This guy also tried to explain skydancer as the planet Venus - which moved with tremendous speed across the sky. Well, I guess any answer is better than a mystery even when you have to invent them regardless of facts. -Bill Hamilton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: New At Magonia - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:32:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:57:59 -0400 Subject: Re: New At Magonia - Ledger >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:54:07 +0100 >Subject: New At Magonia >Latest on the Magonia Website: >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm >An Account of Experimental UFO Hoaxing >David Simpson and Ken Raine review the famous Warminster Hoax, >and ask if any lessons have been learned >August Book Reviews >The STENDEC mystery and books by Jenny Randles and Kevin Randle. >Shockingly Close to the Truth >John Rimmer reviews Jim Moseley's life in ufology >-- >John Rimmer >Magonia Magazine >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm John, Your missing a forward slash after arc and 00. Drop the periods. Should be http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:40 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:11:43 -0400 Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate Source: BBC Kent http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/200209/02/ufo.shtml Stig *** News UFO film sparks fresh ET debate Thursday 5 September, 2002 ** (UFO watch - Watch actual footage taken by Brighton Police over the Sussex skies... click here) From lights in the sky to flying saucers - UFOs come in various guises. But are they the product of alien life, natural phenomena or just a vivid imagination? Many people say they have seen "something strange" and some claim that what they saw was a spaceship. Others say they have met aliens. Nonetheless, scientists remain mostly unmoved. They say that although some UFO cases merit investigation, it is not because they could be alien craft. The images captured over Brighton were filmed by a police helicopter. The UFO was spotted travelling across the coast and was followed for about 10 miles. None of the crew members on board the helicopter had seen anything like it before or since. The footage has aroused the interest of UFO enthusiasts. So what could it be? Well, some people think it could be a balloon or some other simple explanation... What do you think? <Reader comments snipped> **
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:27:19 -0300 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:20:40 -0400 Subject: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? Hi folks. 'Signs' was released in the U.S. a few weeks ago, but not yet in Brazil. Here it is already causing a big commotion, as everybody is talking about the circles. The press is doing full coverage of the film and, hopefully, will alert the people about the phenomena of the circles itself. But one strange information came to my attention yesterday and I wanna check it out with you in UFO UpDates. It has been said that a part of the film was either produced in or based on facts that happened in a small town called Passo Fundo (Deep Step), here in Brazil. Do any of you know anything about it? Thanks for any help. A. J. Gevaerd Brazilian UFO Magazine
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 UFO Collection For Sale From: Royce J Myers III <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:24:23 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:40:03 -0400 Subject: UFO Collection For Sale Greetings All, I currently have an advertiser that is selling his entire UFO video and audio collection. He has 3,000 video tapes and 1,000 audio tapes. If you're interested, please visit: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/collection.html And don't miss the latest on UFO fraud Sean David Morton and more of his silly claims - it just keeps getting more ridiculous: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/nonsense.html Thanks! Regards, Royce J. Myers III UFOWATCHDOG.COM
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Myers From: Royce J. Myers III <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:31:57 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Myers >From: Bruce Maccabee >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:54:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto >>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:21:00 -0400 >>Subject: UFO UpDate: E.T. Anal Probes Getting >A Bum Rap >>Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93IW702 I1O4020905 >>September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >>E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap <snip> Yet another part of the problem that serious UFOlogy has to combat every single minute. Not only are we deluged with hoaxers and idiots, but the delusional permeate this field wtih more and more of them popping up...too many for anyone to keep track of. Why do I keep wondering when this field is going to self-destruct...? Regards, Royce J. Myers III UFOWATCHDOG.COM "Don't Trip On Your Open Mind...or that anal probe that just fell out...!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: ET Association? From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:23:55 +0300 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:45:51 -0400 Subject: Re: ET Association? I am looking for an email address of the ET Association in Cape Town. I am sure I saw the group mentioned here recently, but cannot find the number! Thanks in advance, Diana (in Malawi)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Maccabee From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:21:36 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:44:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Maccabee >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >>Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >>same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >>Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >>1. It's red. >>2. It keeps coming back time after time. >>3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >>4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >>5. It seems to want alot of attention. >Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >time, and they sure want to be seen. Your "physical reason" for suggesting fire balloons, namely, they "sometimes flare up before burning out" did not apply to the GB Bubba. Bubba was videotaped numerous times including several instances when it was observed from several locations making triangulation possible. In one carefully analysed case the red object/light was about 5 miles away. When it "flared up" it flashed at such a high rate of speed. In one instance it went from full brilliance to zero or nearly so in 1 frame (1/30 sec) and then back again to full brilliance over a couple of frames. And, by the way, full brilliance was such as to saturate the video camera, causing a white ring around the central overexposed area. I compared the brilliance to that of a streetlight a few hundred feet away, causing considerable glare in the camera. No candle can (a) create this level of brilliance at 5 miles (would need to have a spotlight shining directly at the camera) (b) change in brilliance from maximum to minumum repeatedly with an approximately cycle time of .03 to .1 sec or so. I haven't seen the Phoenix "bubba" videos so I don't know how they compare. For more information on GB Bubba see: http://brumac.8k.com/GulfBreeze/Bubba/GBBUBBA.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:23:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:51:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:40 +0200 >Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >Source: BBC Kent >http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/200209/02/ufo.shtml >Stig >*** >News >UFO film sparks fresh ET debate >Thursday 5 September, 2002 >** >(UFO watch - Watch actual footage taken by Brighton Police over >the Sussex skies... click here) <snip> It would be nice if we coud actually have a look at this video. Anyone have a URL? I see they are already toting this as one of those high speed balloons that can pace a helicopter without being affected by rotor wash and then leave at a high rate of speed. "...some people think it could be a balloon". Sure, some really stupid people could. "The footage has aroused the interest of UFO enthusiasts." But not that of the police or the aviation authorities it seems. Air regs, air regs, I keep preaching about air regs. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Strange Circle Found In Kazakhstan From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:56:07 -0400 Subject: Strange Circle Found In Kazakhstan SOURCE: Diario "El Norte" (Mexico) DATE: September 4, 2002 MYSTERIOUS CIRCLE IN KAZAKHSTAN RAISES QUESTIONS EFE News Agency Almaty, Kazakhstan.- The discovery of a strange circle in a garden in the city of Zhitikara, northern Kazakhstan, put the police on alert. Experts are studying the trail of an alleged UFO. When the owner of one of the gardens located on Aerdr=F3mnaya Street in Zhitikaya (Qostanay Region) went out in the morning to her front yard, she could not believe her eyes. All that was left of the spot where a vegetable garden grew, in the shade of a with a leafy apple tree, was a perfect circle measuring 2 meters in diameter. What were left of her vegetables were stamped into the ground. The 60 year-old woman pointed out that the parties responsible for creating the circle were "aliens" -- which is exaclty what she told Zhitikaya police officers, who had already been alerted to several UFO sightings the previous day. The woman's neighbors rejected any doubts about her sanity. A sign of the seriousness with which Kazakh authorities are treating the case can be seen in the immediate dispatching of a team of experts to the city to study this "X-file" of the Central Asian steppes. This northern region of Kazakhstan borders Russia in a region which formerly contained several cities devoted to the production of nuclear weapons and secret military devices-- locations forbidden to outsiders. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Translation (C) 2002. S. Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special thanks to Rafael Garcia V.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 UFO Sightings Over Spain Continue From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:35:46 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:58:35 -0400 Subject: UFO Sightings Over Spain Continue SOURCE: Jos=E9 Manuel Garc=EDa Bautista/Rafael Cabello DATE: July 23, 2002 UFO Sightings Over Seville Continue The province of Seville appears to be experiencing a startling amount of UFO activity. In addition to cases involving landings and humanoid encoutners in recent months, we must add a new event of which details have already been made known. This sighting occured in the vicinity of the town of Aznalcollar. Around 21:45 hours that evening, L.L.R. was heading back toward Seville after spending a day working in the Sierra de Hueva. The witness was driving along the road belonging to the Aznalcollar- based Boliden-Apirsa mining company (currently closed), when he saw a small light in the distance which appeared to be crossing the road. "As I approached I thought it might be a motorcycle, and that it would stop at the crossing to yield," he told us. The driver, believing that the light belonged to a normal vehicle, did not slow down, but was struck by the bluish-white hue of the light. When he was some 20 meters away from the object, he realized that the "thing" appeared not to be aware of his presence. "I kept getting closer, and when I saw that it had no intentions of braking, I flashed it with my high beams without slowing down. Next thing I knew, that thing was right in front of my car." Reconstruction of the eyewitness's encounter with the small spherical UFO. At that very same moment, the driver thought that an impact was inevitable and imagined his vehicle running over the alleged motorcycle. However, none of that occurred. "I collided against it and turned away, expecting an impact, but it didn't occur. There was only an explosion of multicolored lights. I got out of the car to see what happened, but there was nothing on the road! No accident, no casualty, nothing whatsoever! I became hysterical. I scanned the length of the road and even looked under my car, but found no traces of glass or other materials..and of course, there were no casualties either." Although the witness found no signs of an impact, the hood of his car showed signs that something had indeed made contact with the vehicle. "I thought that if I'd collided with something, the front of the car must be very damaged," admitted L.L., "but when I looked there was nothing, only some sort of a thick water that vanished upon touching it... nothing more... I thought I was going to pass out, but I was glad not to have run anyone over. I returned to Seville as calmly as I could, but I had trouble starting the car, and the battery refused to work. The following day I took it to the shop and I was told it looked new...and however, given its age, it should be nearly exhausted." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Translation (C) 2002. S. Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special thanks to Rafael Garcia V.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 UFO Petition Update: Common Shame From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:09:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:00:44 -0400 Subject: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame Hello All, After six months online, the signature count at the International Petition for UFO info disclosure website stands at 1,600. It is to our common shame that thus far, all of our combined effort has resulted in such a poor showing. Statistics gathered in many countries has shown that (on average) about 50% of the people believe that there is substance to many of the UFO reports/sightings that have been reported over the years. Staggering numbers of people believe that UFOs are real and that they likely represent 'somebody else's' technology. With such large numbers of people to draw support from, it leaves me wondering why the International Petition has not received more support. On many levels and for many reasons, I am deeply disappointed. Most of the disappointment is in the members of the UFO community. Here is an opportunity for folks from all over the world to have their voices heard on this most urgent of topics; UFOs. Very few have actually seized it and stood up to be counted. We should all be ashamed of ourselves. It is no wonder that there is so little in the way of tangible accomplishments by the UFO community at large. With apathy of this magnitude, it's a wonder that anything ever gets done at all. Please, take the time to read and then sign the Petition. Sincerely, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday October 24' From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:57:06 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:05:49 -0400 Subject: 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday October 24' Source: Reuters via The Globe And Mail - Toronto http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020904/wsect090= 4/Front/homeBN/breakingnews Stig *** No mass suicides, French guru insists Reuters News Agency Wednesday, September 04 -- Online Edition, Posted at 6:44 AM EST ** Nantes, France =97 The guru of a tiny French doomsday sect under police suicide watch said on Wednesday his group looked forward to voyagers from Venus collecting them before the world ends on October 24. Arnaud Mussy, 36, denied any plans for a mass suicide, dismissing parallels that police and the press have made between his New Lighthouse sect and the Order of the Solar Temple cult. That group was active in France, Canada and Switzerland and saw 64 members die in two collective suicides in 1994 and 1995. Police in the Atlantic port city of Nantes have kept the six- member New Lighthouse sect under surveillance since one member committed suicide and two others attempted to after an earlier deadline for the world's end passed on July 11. "We're not suicidal at all," Mr. Mussy, standing at the door of the sect's tightly shuttered house, told Europe 1 radio in his first interview after days of rising media interest. Asked if they were really waiting for extraterrestrials to sweep them off to Venus next month, he replied: "Sure. "It will be just like going to Angers or Lyon," he said, referring to two French cities. "It's an exchange. They come to us, so we should go to them. That's all." Mr. Mussy, a public relations specialist who says he will be Christ and his twin brother the pope in the new life they expect to lead on Venus, denied pressuring the man who killed himself in July and blamed the other death bids on a "chain reaction." Europe 1 described Mr. Mussy as casual, suntanned and charming. Police and justice authorities in Nantes say they cannot ban the sect or break it up because it has done nothing wrong. At least 30 tiny apocalyptic sects are active in France. Anti- sect groups have kept up calls for official action before any further New Lighthouse members attempt suicide. "I'm afraid that these people are so weak that they could be pushed to the same extremes as in July, especially when the non- event of October 24 passes," said Dominique Hubert of the anti- sect group ADFI. "I think we should act now before there are other catastrophes. This is a case of failing to help people who are in danger." Mr. Mussy's mother made a desperate appeal to her son on French television on Monday. "I ask them to stop all this," the mother, who was not identified, said. "These things have gone too far. They could endanger other people's lives." Police said they were alerted to the sect this year when neighbours noted strange behaviour on a farm commune of 21 people. "At their meetings, they wore capes and held spiritual seances," one officer said. The sect lost many members when the world did not end in July as Mr. Mussy had predicted. The remaining faithful later moved into their current two-storey residence near Nantes university. ** Copyright =A9 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 New At Magonia Correction From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer@merseymail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:09:43 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 08:17:42 -0400 Subject: New At Magonia Correction Pleae allow me to correct a careless mistake on my previous announcement. The correct URL for the new material on the Magonia website is: www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm (I dotted where I should have slashed!) -- John Rimmer <j.rimmer@merseymail.com>
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:03:59 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:31:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Hall >From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:27:19 -0300 >Subject: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >Hi folks. >'Signs' was released in the U.S. a few weeks ago, but not yet in >Brazil. >Here it is already causing a big commotion, as everybody is >talking about the circles. The press is doing full coverage of >the film and, hopefully, will alert the people about the >phenomena of the circles itself. >But one strange information came to my attention yesterday and I >wanna check it out with you in UFO UpDates. >It has been said that a part of the film was either produced in >or based on facts that happened in a small town called Passo >Fundo (Deep Step), here in Brazil. Do any of you know anything >about it? >Thanks for any help. >A. J. Gevaerd >Brazilian UFO Magazine A.J., I wish you would check in with any relevant information you may have about the January 1958 Trindade Isle photo case. That is a lot more important than a science-fiction film whose theme has only a dubious connection to UFOs. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - White From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:32:12 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:48:47 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - White >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:09:51 -0400 >Subject: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame >Hello All, >After six months online, the signature count at the >International Petition for UFO info disclosure website stands >at 1,600. It is to our common shame that thus far, all of our >combined effort has resulted in such a poor showing. <snip> Have any UFO groups, and there are many world wide, ever turned down a request to post a link to the petition on their sites? If that angle hasn't been tried, might it be worth trying? Eleanor White
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: ET Association? - Hayes From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:36:15 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:10:06 -0400 Subject: Re: ET Association? - Hayes >From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:23:55 +0300 >Subject: ET Association? >I am looking for an email address of the ET Association in >Cape Town. I am sure I saw the group mentioned here >recently, but cannot find the number! Hello Diana, The last contact information submitted to me is: E.T.A Extra-Terrestrial Association P.O. Box 51829 Waterfront Cape Town 8002 Phone: 082 7111 496 - 24 Hours E-Mail: e-t-a@webmail.co.za Regards, John Hayes webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com Official Archives for UFO Roundup, AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences, UFO + PSI Magazine plus archives of Filer's Files, Oz Files, UFO News UK and UFO Sightings Italia.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: ET Association? - Hayes From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:36:15 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:10:06 -0400 Subject: Re: ET Association? - Hayes >From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:23:55 +0300 >Subject: ET Association? >I am looking for an email address of the ET Association in >Cape Town. I am sure I saw the group mentioned here >recently, but cannot find the number! Hello Diana, The last contact information submitted to me is: E.T.A Extra-Terrestrial Association P.O. Box 51829 Waterfront Cape Town 8002 Phone: 082 7111 496 - 24 Hours E-Mail: e-t-a@webmail.co.za Regards, John Hayes webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com Official Archives for UFO Roundup, AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences, UFO + PSI Magazine plus archives of Filer's Files, Oz Files, UFO News UK and UFO Sightings Italia.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: New At Magonia - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:10:04 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:33:37 -0400 Subject: Re: New At Magonia - Hall >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:54:07 +0100 >Subject: New At Magonia >Latest on the Magonia Website: >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm >An Account of Experimental UFO Hoaxing >David Simpson and Ken Raine review the famous Warminster Hoax, >and ask if any lessons have been learned >August Book Reviews >The STENDEC mystery and books by Jenny Randles and Kevin Randle. >Shockingly Close to the Truth >John Rimmer reviews Jim Moseley's life in ufology >John Rimmer >Magonia Magazine >www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc.00.newmag.htm Hey, John, what is this? Another "read my book" response. Ol' disingenuous John. Can't wait to read your review of the Moseley/Pflock book, which I bet you love because it helps to make the whole subject look silly. Bet you have no idea of what sleazy, slimy untruths and distortions it contains either. You asked me very complex methodological and philosophical questions about the UFO subject on another thread, and when I suggested you read The UFO Evidence, Volume II, which fully answers (or at least responds to) your questions, you dissed me. (You should look it up in American slang.) By the way, Librarian John, you said my book was not available in the UK. The title page says "The Scarecrow Press, Inc., Lanham, Maryland, and London 2000 [sic; it was actually published in 2001]. Dare I say: "John Rimmer has spoken; sixty years of investigation have led nowhere and there is nothing to UFOs." Seems to me I heard that put-down addressed to me not long ago. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It must be nice to be so cocksure. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 6 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:25:55 UT Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:35:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Hamilton >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:33:44 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:00:16 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>What are your reasons for concluding that Bubba is the same >>>Bubba that was reported 150 times in Florida? >>Good question! There is no way of knowing if its exactly the >>same object. It does have most of the same properties of the >>Gulf Breeze, Fl Bubba. >>1. It's red. >>2. It keeps coming back time after time. >>3. It sometimes ejects smaller white objects. >>4. It usally strobes white before its takes off. >>5. It seems to want alot of attention. >Hi, Tom: >Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >time, and they sure want to be seen. Hey Tom, my friend, do you feel the heat from the fire balloons or from the debunkers? Isn't funny how fire balloons know when to turn off and turn back on or even move rapidly to another part of the sky? I guess any mundane explanation is better than a mystery. This guy also tried to explain skydancer as the planet Venus - which moved with tremendous speed across the sky. Well, I guess any answer is better than a mystery even when you have to invent them regardless of facts. -Bill Hamilton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:58:16 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:26:48 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:57:06 +0200 >Subject: Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday October 24 >Source: Reuters via The Globe And Mail - Toronto >http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020904/ >wsect0904/Front/homeBN/breakingnews >Stig >*** >No mass suicides, French guru insists >Reuters News Agency >Wednesday, September 04 =C2-- Online Edition, Posted at 6:44 AM EST >** >Nantes, France =E2=80=94 The guru of a tiny French doomsday sect under >police suicide watch said on Wednesday his group looked forward >to voyagers from Venus collecting them before the world ends on >October 24. Another group of wackos, who, after the world doesn't come to an end, or the voyagers don't show up from Venus to collect them will rationalize it all away with either a new date, or how the voyagers are going to come later... blah, blah, blah. Can't wait to see if any of the fruitcakes end up on radio shows to explain the voyagers etc etc. Hmm, wonder if the alleged and proclaimed Hale Bopp companion object may finally make it near earth...loaded with voyagers.. :) Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:18:32 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:31:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:23:12 -0400 >Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:40 +0200 >>Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>Source: BBC Kent >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/200209/02/ufo.shtml >>Stig >>*** >>News >>UFO film sparks fresh ET debate >>Thursday 5 September, 2002 >>** >>(UFO watch - Watch actual footage taken by Brighton Police over >>the Sussex skies... click here) ><snip> >It would be nice if we coud actually have a look at this video. >Anyone have a URL? I see they are already toting this as one of >those high speed balloons that can pace a helicopter without >being affected by rotor wash and then leave at a high rate of >speed. I don't quite understand the question. If you go the BBC page and click the link that I quoted, you'll see the video in RealVideo. Best Stig
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 23:08:25 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:28:20 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Gates >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:55:35 +0000 >Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >>Source: NCBuy = >>http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate=3D2002-09-05&nav=3DVIE= W&id=3D93IW702I1O4020905 >>September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >>E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >>PERTH, Australia (Wireless Flash) -- It sounds asinine but alien >>anal probes may be getting a bum rap. >>Australian UFO researcher Mary Rodwell admits anal probes and >>other E.T. experiments sound invasive, but the evidence suggests >>they may have health benefits. >>She says there are hundreds of abductees who suffered chronic >>ailments before the alien invasion there were completely cured >>by the probes. >>Rodwell has probed the research and believes that the fear >>factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality. >>She says the problem is that too many Earthbound humans "still >>relate to the world as three-dimensional without realizing there >>are actually four dimensions." >>Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >>children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >>they learn more on UFOs than in school. >>Rodwell is the author of a new book, "Awakening: How >>Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life" (Beyond >>Publications). >Wonderful! Just what we need: More New Age nonscience (a.k.a., >nonsense) that ignores the preponderance of evidence and >substitutes touchy-feely wishful thinking. Could be ET's are really proctologists in residency... :) >I hereby bestow the Barbed-Wire Anal Probe Award on her. Could that award be given at the Pain in the Butt conference.. :) Cheers, Robert >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:57:06 +0200 >Subject: Venusians To Save Sect Before Doomsday October 24 >Source: Reuters via The Globe And Mail - Toronto >http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20020904/ >wsect0904/Front/homeBN/breakingnews >Stig >*** >No mass suicides, French guru insists >Reuters News Agency >Wednesday, September 04 =C2-- Online Edition, Posted at 6:44 AM EST >** >Nantes, France =E2=80=94 The guru of a tiny French doomsday sect under >police suicide watch said on Wednesday his group looked forward >to voyagers from Venus collecting them before the world ends on >October 24. Another group of wackos, who, after the world doesn't come to an end, or the voyagers don't show up from Venus to collect them will rationalize it all away with either a new date, or how the voyagers are going to come later... blah, blah, blah. Can't wait to see if any of the fruitcakes end up on radio shows to explain the voyagers etc etc. Hmm, wonder if the alleged and proclaimed Hale Bopp companion object may finally make it near earth...loaded with voyagers.. :) Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Corn MAiZE 2002 Honors American Heroes From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:43:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:48:25 -0400 Subject: Corn MAiZE 2002 Honors American Heroes Source: The Monett Times (Monett, Missouri), http://www.monett-times.com/NF/omf/monett/news_story.html?[rkey=3D0011894+[c= r=3Dgdn Stig *** September 06, 2002 Corn MAiZE 2002 honors American heroes Special to The Monett Times Published September 06, 2002 4:00 PM CDT ** [Photo: Seen from the air, this year's Corn MAiZE design honors America and its heroes, clearly spelling out 'Home of the brave' on the right side of the field. To the left, the Stars and Stripes show through the shape of the continental U.S.] VERONA - With few UFO sightings in Missouri this year, the mystery remains as to how an extraterrestrial-like design has taken shape in a Verona cornfield. The MAiZE will unravel the mystery when Missouri's original cornfield maze brings a real- life version of the movie Signs to Southwest Missouri. The MAiZE, an intricate network of twists and turns carved into more than six acres of corn, opens tomorrow, September 7, 10 a.m. for another year of good farmin' fun. The design this year is in honor of the many fine men and women who have stood up for home and country, as did many heroes last September 11. This year admission is free to all U.S. Veterans. The MAiZE will challenge the wits of those seeking to find the one exit from their mind-boggling puzzle. Though the correct pathway can be walked in only 15 to 20 minutes, most wandering maze-goers will require about 45 minutes to one hour to travel through more than two miles of twists, turns and more than 80 decision points. New this year is the corn cannon; try your aim at our life size target! Or volunteer someone to sit in the dunking booth to raise money for your organization. Open both day and night, The MAiZE caters to school field trips during the day and has created an elementary education campaign that includes customized ag- in-the-classroom lesson plans and activity sheets for teachers, discounted field trip opportunities, on-site educational lessons, and a "passport" that integrates education into the maze experience and helps guide children and families along the correct pathway. The MAiZE will give people the chance to "get lost" from September 7 through November 2. Visitors will be admitted Monday through Thursday from 5-9 p.m., Friday from 5-10 p.m. and Saturday from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. and closed on Sunday. Daytime hours for field trips are Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. by reservation. The MAiZE transforms into the "field of screams" at dark when the haunting begins on Friday, October 4. The MAiZE is located just off Highway 60 in Verona at the old Spring River Trout Farm. Cost is still $5.50 for adults and $3.50 for children, with discounts offered to field trips, churches and groups. Concessions are available on- site, or one can reserve a bonfire site for their group. For more information or to make reservations, call the hotline at 417-824-9848 or try on-site at 417-498-6191 or visit www.cornfieldmaze.com. Proceeds from The MAiZE in Verona benefit GRIP, Verona's boys' home. This year's sponsors are Pioneer Hi- Bred International, Inc., Clear Channel Communications (US97, My Country 100.5, 1400AM ESPN Radio, 105.9 KGBX, Alice 95.5), and Coca Cola. COPYRIGHT =AE 2002 The Monett Times, a division of Cleveland Newspapers, Inc. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 More Mars Controversy From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:08:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:08:14 -0400 Subject: More Mars Controversy http://www.msnbc.com/news/750150.asp?cp1=3D1 Sept. 6, 2002 / Updated 8:30 p.m. ET More Mars mysteries: The most prominent boosters of Martian enigmas such as the "Face on Mars" have produced photos that they say provide evidence of mysterious buried city-style structures on the Red Planet =97 but the origins of the photos turn out to be just as murky a mystery. The controversy came to a head Thursday night, when the Enterprise Mission, a Web site focusing on the enigmas in the Martian region of Cydonia, posted false-color views of the Martian "cityscape." Enterprise=92s captain, author/researcher Richard Hoagland, said the photos were true infrared renderings from the thermal imager on NASA=92s orbiting Mars Odyssey spacecraft. However, that claim was contradicted by Arizona State University Professor Philip Christensen, the head of the scientific team for the Thermal Emission Imaging System, or THEMIS. Christensen said the pictures appeared to be reprocessed versions of a daytime infrared image posted to the THEMIS Web site in July. "If you look at the image that is being purported and discussed, it=92s clearly been doctored," Christensen said Friday. He said the signs of filtering could be seen in the imagery=92s gridlike features and patchwork patterns. "There=92s really no controversy here. ... Somebody went to our Web site, downloaded this image and processed it, and now it has a life of its own," he said. "It makes for a nice bit of late- night talk-show discussion, but my 13-year-old son could process the image and make it look the same way." The people on the other side of the argument, meanwhile, say the image currently available from the THEMIS site was degraded as part of a NASA cover-up =97 and they remain convinced that they have the truth on their side. At least two image specialists play a role behind the scenes: Keith Laney, who has helped NASA process photos from the Mars Global Surveyor orbiter; and Arizona State University software manager Noel Gorelick, who has worked on infrared data from THEMIS and Global Surveyor=92s Thermal Emission Spectrometer. D&M PyramidLaney said he downloaded imagery from the THEMIS Web server after he was encouraged to do so over the Internet by a person claiming to be Gorelick =97 and a processed version of that imagery is what appears on the Enterprise Mission site. Laney can=92t explain why the data he downloaded isn=92t the same as the data currently available from the THEMIS site, but he voices more confidence in his data. You can see Laney=92s version of the D&M Pyramid, one of the better-known Martian enigmas, at left. "All I know is, I got an image, and I processed it, and it came out spectacularly," Laney said. "Something fishy is going on, because I have no reason to doubt what my software tells me about this set of images." For his part, Gorelick acknowledged that he has occasionally engaged in shop talk with other imaging specialists on the Enterprise Mission=92s message board =97 and he said he was involved in processing the Cydonia photo that was released in July. However, he said, "Any role ascribed to me beyond that is totally false." If you believe the THEMIS team, it all sounds like another crackpot publicity ploy. If you believe the Enterprise team, it all sounds like another NASA conspiracy. Could it be that some prankster spoofed Gorelick=92s identity on the Internet and led Laney astray? Were images falsified, or is this an "X-Files" episode? "It=92s a tangled web, and it gets more tangled the deeper you get into it," Laney said. Meanwhile, THEMIS continues to churn out new imagery daily, and Christensen said there were lots of fascinating discoveries yet to come out. Later this year, he plans to present pictures showing previously undetected channels on the surface of Mars, perhaps cut in ancient times by flowing water. "We can see features in places where there are a lot of these channels on the surface, simply because we have a better camera than Viking and can cover more ground than Mars Global Surveyor," he said. "Some of these ancient terrains are quite heavily dissected with these small little channels. "Mars is a fascinating place in and of its own, and has a wonderful history," he said =97 an observation that would probably draw an "amen" from all sides in the current controversy.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 F16 Fighter Scramble In DC From: Paul Novak <nib68@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:56:04 -0400 Subject: F16 Fighter Scramble In DC Related to the incident. Make of it what you will. The relevant bit is a small blurb near the end. Source: Yahoo News http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=7&u=/nm/20020907 /ts_nm/attack_usa_dc Top Stories - Reuters Fighter Patrols Resume over NY, Washington-Sources Sat Sep 7,12:32 AM ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With the anniversary approaching of the Sept. 11 attacks on America, the U.S. military has resumed 24- hour air patrols by fighter jets over Washington and New York, U.S. officials said on Friday. The officials, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters that the patrols -- designed to prevent hijack attacks like the ones that destroyed New York's World Trade Center and heavily damaged the Pentagon (news - web sites) -- resumed on Thursday. "With members of Congress flying to New York, and the anniversary approaching, it was decided that the patrols should resume" indefinitely, one of the officials told Reuters. The U.S. Congress met in New York on Friday for the first time in more than 200 years to mark next week's anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks that killed about 3,000 people. Pentagon officials refused to confirm or deny whether or not the patrol flights had been resumed. Spokesman Glenn Flood said, "All I can say is that we have adequate patrols." The officials refused to comment on a CBS News report that the patrols were resumed due to increased Internet "chatter" or communications among known operatives of al Qaeda, the militant network the United States blames for the attacks. U.S. intelligence agencies have recently picked up a somewhat higher level of "chatter," or information about potential threats, but there was nothing specific and nothing to indicate that a terror attack was being planned for the Sept. 11 anniversary, a U.S. official told Reuters. "It's at a heightened level, but not as high as around the Fourth of July," the official said on condition of anonymity. "Threat information comes in every day. Are we on a real high trend? No. Is there information coming in? Yes." The official added that U.S. security agencies were being vigilant around the anniversary, but there was no information suggesting that a terror attack was planned. AROUND THE CLOCK FLIGHTS The air patrols involving F-16 fighters and other jets flown by both Air National Guard pilots and regular Air Force personnel, will fly regular missions over the two cities around the clock, as they began doing after the attacks. The pilots could be used, with tight restrictions, to shoot down a commercial airliner if it appeared to be headed for a sensitive ground target, according to officials. In March, patrols were reduced over New York City and later over Washington to a mix of regular flights and "strip alerts" involving planes standing by at military and civilian airports to be scrambled into the air on very short notice. Patrols have, meanwhile, also been continued on an intermittent basis over other key areas of the country, including other possible targets such as nuclear plants. Before the patrols were reduced, they had tied up more than 200 fighter jets and 10,000 Air Force personnel at 30 bases across the country. Air Force officials said they had caused wear on equipment and stress on personnel, costing more than $502 million between last September and January alone. The Pentagon recently tightened up Air Force responses to emergencies after a June 19 incident in Washington in which fighter jets from nearby Andrews Air Force Base were scrambled too late to intercept a small private airplane that wandered into restricted airspace near the White House. President Bush (news - web sites) was in town at the time, but the aircraft, whose pilot was apparently unaware of the restrictions, flew out of the area before Air National Guard jets could intercept it. After the embarrassing incident, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said communications between the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) and the Defense Department would be improved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia From: Chaz Stuart <Daydisk2@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:31:24 -0500 (EST) Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:58:31 -0400 Subject: Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia ..... but only if the original data is real. Big controversy. www.enterprisemission.com Mac T.? About time for an opinion from you! --Chaz
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Muhnochwas Spread To Neighbouring Indian State From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:41:58 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:03:20 -0400 Subject: Muhnochwas Spread To Neighbouring Indian State Source: The Indian Express via UFOIndia http://www.ufoindia.org/news_muhnochwa_uttranchaliexpress.htm Stig *** Muhnochwa: Now Uttranchal sees UP Signs Reported in The Indian Express (Tuesday, September 3, 2002 page 5) September 3: posted at 11:45 P.M. IST S.M.A. Kazmi Dehra Dun, September 2 ** In the hands of Hollywood, this would be a movie. Having duped villagers, officials and scientists alike, Muhnochwa it seems has jumped over UP borders into the hills of Uttranchal. And, in the process, the insect/ET/Pak concoction has added a new, stellar dimension: a cosmic green light stretching across the dark night sky. Yesterday night, the "light" appeared over a large stretch in the Terai area of Kumaon, and had the same effect Muhnochwa has been leaving in UP. Many people reported a burning sensation, and more than a dozen fainted. Villagers say it was a dark night and around 8 pm, in Khatima, Sitarganj, Kichha, Kashipur, Jaspur and Haldwani in Udham Singh Nagar district, they saw a bright green, rod-like light streak across from the west to east. In villages where there was a power cut, the light could be seen more clearly for 20 seconds. Arvind Bisht of Ramnijaswa village says he was sitting in his courtyard when he was "dazzled" by it. In village Punnapur near Khatima, two girls, Ruby and Ramita, fainted. So did Sunita, who also later reported a burning sensation on the face. Others too called in with similar complaints. Someone mentioned Muhnochwa, and then others fired into the air. As usual, scientists say they have an explanation and, as usual, it is too mundane to find an audience. Dr. Ramsagar, director, State Observatory at Nainital, -- which could not record the event as the sky was hazy -- says it may have been a meteor, and these burn on entering the earth's orbit. "It may have burnt longer and emitted a bright light," he feels. On the "injuries" some people received, Dr. Ramsagar says they may have been hit by small meteor stones, which break off and fall and are hot. A journalist at Kichha Nahid Khan told The Indian Express a small burning stone had fallen near him. ** ____________________________________ Copyright =A9 Prashant Solomon 1999-2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 'Looking for Orthon' A Review From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:16:27 -0600 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:59:58 -0400 Subject: 'Looking for Orthon' A Review Colin Bennett's, "Looking for Orthon," Paraview Press, NY, $15.95, is a page-turner that will numb your arms and make you squint. Paraview used a font point size so tiny, that by the time you've finished reading this tome, your eyeballs will be in a jar on the shelf and you'll be bumping into walls like Homer seeking "rosey-fingered skies." Hey, Paraview. The population is aging, OK? Get with the program. "Looking for Orthon" was an excellent choice of a title. Orthon was the name of the alien George Adamski claimed to have met while meandering around the desert in 1952. Adamski was one of the most colorful "Contactee's" of the 1950s, but from Bennett's perpective, he was a world class hero. Yeah, right and my cat makes Sigfried and Roy's white tigers look like cheap, stuffed cats from Taiwan. You ain't gonna find Orthon, but you are going to get a cheeky view of excessive verbage (what did Colin get here? A contract that pays by the word?). I'm glad the review copy was free, but I had to shell out a ton of cash to get a 4,000 page dictionary so I could keep up with the English idiom onslaught Bennett must feel is necessary to alert the reader that he's from across the 'Pond' and we Colony trash make a shambles of the Queen's English. Readers beware! Colin Bennett isn't going to give you Orthon. Rather, he's going to give you a Pepe le Pew-esque love affair he has with George Adamski, Ufology's answer to the snake oil salesmen that schleped through the Old West. Bennett proclaims that Adamski was the "Founding Father of Ufology", which is absurd. Major Donald E. Keyhoe claims this aspicious title. What you are going to get with "Looking for Orthon," is a good bang for your buck. Once you can get away from the hype and drooling Bennett has for Adamski, you'll be treated to a knock-out work of solid history, surrounding George Adamski's life and times in early ufological history. The reader will find, between the excess verbage, a complete view of the pathos and chicanery that was George Adamski. It is a facinating and raucous trip Bennett gives the reader, but you never find Orthon. Adamski, yes. Orthon, no. Colin Bennett has given history excellent insight into Adamski the man. Paraview has given you a severe case of eye strain. However, once my eyeballs had spent four days in a vat of Clear View Eye Drops, I was once again compelled to sit and listen to the many audio tapes of George Adamski's lectures, etc. that are in my archive. I only wish that Bennett had included an audio CD of Adamski with his book. He does an excellent job of bringing Adamski alive to a new generation, but you have to hear Adamski to get the full impact that he was a man two aliens short of a starship. Wendy Connors Faded Discs
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:43:47 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:02:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:18:32 +0200 >Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:23:12 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:40 +0200 >>>Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>>Source: BBC Kent >>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/200209/02/ufo.shtml >>>Stig >>>*** >>>News >>>UFO film sparks fresh ET debate >>>Thursday 5 September, 2002 >>>** >>>(UFO watch - Watch actual footage taken by Brighton Police over >>>the Sussex skies... click here) >><snip> >>It would be nice if we coud actually have a look at this video. >>Anyone have a URL? I see they are already toting this as one of >>those high speed balloons that can pace a helicopter without >>being affected by rotor wash and then leave at a high rate of >>speed. >I don't quite understand the question. If you go the BBC page and >click the link that I quoted, you'll see the video in RealVideo. Hi Stig, When I went after this the other day I got a '404' message. Could have been down for a bit. Anyway I just had a look. Cerainly the the real video tape/digital format? would have much more information. The streaming takes away quite a bit. So now my curiosity is aroused. Who is looking after the original or at least a good copy? Obviously the police crew were impressed. The audio is suffering too from the compression, squeezed thru my 56k. Kudos to the brighton police for releasing it in the first place. Best Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:00:19 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:11:43 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger "UFO UpDates - Toronto (by way of UFO UpDates - Toronto )" wrote: >Source: metroActive - San Francisco >http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/09.05.02/biter-0236.html >A Bay Area arts and entertainment service of Metro Newspapers >Galaxy >Standup Cosmic: Yes, could I get a pizza delivery to >Constellation Sculptor? >Biter >The Truth is Out ... There >Science-fiction buffs and Roswell conspiracy theorists who've >been watching the skies were handed a small victory this summer, >when the scientific community announced the discovery of a solar >system remarkably similar to ours. I'm surprised that other "off the wall" segment of society called the scientific community, specifically astro-biologists and physicists, wouldn't be excited as well. The piece goes on to ask the real nutballs, the creationists, as to what their opinion is. Who cares what some segment of society that bases their belief system on a work of fiction thinks. We damn near had one of these nuts offer up to lead this Canada. Imagine having the Prime Miniser of a country whose belief system embraces the world beginning only 6,000 years ago. What's even scarier is that these simple-minded blockheads have the right to vote and raise children. Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:09:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday ><snip> >I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >if you ignore the blimp's empennage... Hi Jim , Errol & all! :) Today I sat watching the position where we saw the object/s a week ago. I arrived at 12:30 & departed at 13:30. This gives approximately 30 minutes before and after the sighting time last Saturday. In that time I saw 3 smaller planes but no big jets. This does not rule out a jet, of course, it's merely a supporting fact. After this I went into Trinity Beach and again spoke with the shopkeeper. No, he hadn't heard any gossip! I asked him if he had seen a blimp lately. He replied he'd never seen one, period! His field of vision would most likely have allowed him to see the object in my line of vision. Barring a little of his right, as trees are blocking some of the view. I inquired off a blimp to several other people, no-one had seen one and left my number with a cute chicky-babe, who will ask around for me! I think I will talk to the paper about an appeal for other witnesses, or write a letter to the Editor. Also I might put an ad on the local notice board or somesuch. Should I ask the Police if anyone's reported anything? If anyone want's to chip in advise, please feel free! :) I'm new to ufology on this level. For an indication of what I recall (I only snatched a few glimpses) as being the shape or form of the object, see this Oregon UFO: http://www.protree.com/pufo/images/oregon.1950/oregon-1950.2.gif But bear in mind that the object/s we saw was/were very bright & silvery white, with very little shadow visible. Both days were very bright & sunny! Regards Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 Flash Down To Meteor Or Junk From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:12:15 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:50:01 -0400 Subject: Flash Down To Meteor Or Junk Source: news.com.au Australia http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5044745%255E1702,00.html Stig *** Flash down to meteor or junk 06Sep02 A BRIGHT flash and sonic booms in the skies over South Australia's Fleurieu Peninsula last night may have been from a meteor breaking up. Residents at Goolwa and Victor Harbor, South of Adelaide, reported the bright blue flash across the sky about 6 pm (CST). Witnesses said it was followed by a smoke trail and two sonic booms which shook the ground. Detailing the meteor theory, experts said it was unusual for a meteor so large, possibly as big as a boulder, to be seen over populated areas. Most break up in the outer atmosphere. It is also possible the incident was the result of space junk re-entering the atmosphere. The director of the space telescope at Coonabarabran in New South Wales, Bryan Boyle, told the ABC that eyewitness accounts suggested a meteor which probably came within 30km of the ground. But Colin Norris, director of Australian International UFO Research, said it was more likely to be space debris because of its colour and trajectory. Astronomers are expected to begin a more detailed investigation today, including a possible search for anything that hit the ground. AAP ** =A9 News Limited
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 More Mars Controversy From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:08:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:08:14 -0400 Subject: More Mars Controversy http://www.msnbc.com/news/750150.asp?cp1=3D1 Sept. 6, 2002 / Updated 8:30 p.m. ET More Mars mysteries: The most prominent boosters of Martian enigmas such as the "Face on Mars" have produced photos that they say provide evidence of mysterious buried city-style structures on the Red Planet =97 but the origins of the photos turn out to be just as murky a mystery. The controversy came to a head Thursday night, when the Enterprise Mission, a Web site focusing on the enigmas in the Martian region of Cydonia, posted false-color views of the Martian "cityscape." Enterprise=92s captain, author/researcher Richard Hoagland, said the photos were true infrared renderings from the thermal imager on NASA=92s orbiting Mars Odyssey spacecraft. However, that claim was contradicted by Arizona State University Professor Philip Christensen, the head of the scientific team for the Thermal Emission Imaging System, or THEMIS. Christensen said the pictures appeared to be reprocessed versions of a daytime infrared image posted to the THEMIS Web site in July. "If you look at the image that is being purported and discussed, it=92s clearly been doctored," Christensen said Friday. He said the signs of filtering could be seen in the imagery=92s gridlike features and patchwork patterns. "There=92s really no controversy here. ... Somebody went to our Web site, downloaded this image and processed it, and now it has a life of its own," he said. "It makes for a nice bit of late- night talk-show discussion, but my 13-year-old son could process the image and make it look the same way." The people on the other side of the argument, meanwhile, say the image currently available from the THEMIS site was degraded as part of a NASA cover-up =97 and they remain convinced that they have the truth on their side. At least two image specialists play a role behind the scenes: Keith Laney, who has helped NASA process photos from the Mars Global Surveyor orbiter; and Arizona State University software manager Noel Gorelick, who has worked on infrared data from THEMIS and Global Surveyor=92s Thermal Emission Spectrometer. D&M PyramidLaney said he downloaded imagery from the THEMIS Web server after he was encouraged to do so over the Internet by a person claiming to be Gorelick =97 and a processed version of that imagery is what appears on the Enterprise Mission site. Laney can=92t explain why the data he downloaded isn=92t the same as the data currently available from the THEMIS site, but he voices more confidence in his data. You can see Laney=92s version of the D&M Pyramid, one of the better-known Martian enigmas, at left. "All I know is, I got an image, and I processed it, and it came out spectacularly," Laney said. "Something fishy is going on, because I have no reason to doubt what my software tells me about this set of images." For his part, Gorelick acknowledged that he has occasionally engaged in shop talk with other imaging specialists on the Enterprise Mission=92s message board =97 and he said he was involved in processing the Cydonia photo that was released in July. However, he said, "Any role ascribed to me beyond that is totally false." If you believe the THEMIS team, it all sounds like another crackpot publicity ploy. If you believe the Enterprise team, it all sounds like another NASA conspiracy. Could it be that some prankster spoofed Gorelick=92s identity on the Internet and led Laney astray? Were images falsified, or is this an "X-Files" episode? "It=92s a tangled web, and it gets more tangled the deeper you get into it," Laney said. Meanwhile, THEMIS continues to churn out new imagery daily, and Christensen said there were lots of fascinating discoveries yet to come out. Later this year, he plans to present pictures showing previously undetected channels on the surface of Mars, perhaps cut in ancient times by flowing water. "We can see features in places where there are a lot of these channels on the surface, simply because we have a better camera than Viking and can cover more ground than Mars Global Surveyor," he said. "Some of these ancient terrains are quite heavily dissected with these small little channels. "Mars is a fascinating place in and of its own, and has a wonderful history," he said =97 an observation that would probably draw an "amen" from all sides in the current controversy.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 7 The Truth is Out ... There From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:11:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:11:35 -0400 Subject: The Truth is Out ... There http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/09.05.02/biter-0236.html A Bay Area arts and entertainment service of Metro Newspapers Galaxy Standup Cosmic: Yes, could I get a pizza delivery to Constellation Sculptor? Biter The Truth is Out ... There Science-fiction buffs and Roswell conspiracy theorists who've been watching the skies were handed a small victory this summer, when the scientific community announced the discovery of a solar system remarkably similar to ours. According to reports on CNN, scientists have detected two far- away planets that resemble Jupiter and Mercury, paving the way for rampant speculation that there could be a planet like Earth floating between them. While no aliens have been contacted yet, Biter wondered how the world's major religions might react to this enlightening scientific revelation. What do they say about life on other planets? Bruce Wood, public relations coordinator for the Institute for Creation Research, dismissed the possibility, saying, "The mathematical probability of getting an earthlike planet and, on top of that, getting any kind of life out of dead substance is impossible." ICR, a fundamentalist Christian organization, clings to the literal words of the Bible, which don't imply any life beyond Earth, other than angelic life, according to Wood. "These poor unfortunates, if they be out there, are going to get burnt to a crisp--I don't know what kind of redemption they could go through, because in my Bible, Jesus came to Earth as a human, not as Romulan or a Klingon or anything else," Wood speculated. Disgruntled, Biter turned to Catholicism and Judaism, both of whom patted us on the back and consoled us with gentle words. "The Catholic Church welcomes all scientific discoveries and, if there is life on other planets, wonderful," says Jesuit Catholic priest Fr. Francis Buckley. Buckley says he has no idea what God decided to do with other solar systems, and although it isn't part of Revelation as he interprets it, he wouldn't attempt to put limits on God or God's creation. Rabbi Leslie Alexander of San Jose holds a similar belief. "If the world is infinite and God is all knowing, like I believe he is, there is no reason why he couldn't create life on other planets." San Jose Islam representative Omair Ali pointed Biter in another direction, telling us it is more important to focus on our lives here on Earth and our ultimate spiritual goal. "God knows best," he said, and some things are just not important for us to know. However, according to Ali, the Koran mentions there are other life forms in all the billions of galaxies out there. "It's kind of ignorant to think that we are the only ones here," Ali added. San Jose Baha'i community member Jim Jam agreed. "It would be really selfish of us to say that we are the only people created by God or the only planet with intelligent life." The teachings of Baha'i state: "Every fixed star has its own planet and its own life forms, which are too numerous to even mention." Encouraged by the idea of a more complex universe, Biter spoke with San Jose Buddhist representative Michael McCormick. "From the very beginning, the Buddhist worldview has assumed that there are other world systems and that there is life on those systems. There are uncountable billions and trillions of inhabited world systems," McCormick said. McCormick added that life forms on other planets don't necessarily need to be carbon-based; he believes there could be "things that we can't even imagine." We're here in a tiny little corner, he says, so who knows what could be out there. Further intrigued, Biter encountered Shobana Krishna Das, a San Jose representative of Vaisnavism, an Indian religion similar to Hinduism. He said the Vedic literature describes different planetary systems that are inhabited by beings that reside there on account of the level of their consciousness. Through their own conscious development, in the process of reincarnation, they've taken birth in different places in the universe. Ultimately, a few scientists are just now noticing that the possibility of life outside Earth is not considered to be such a big deal when ancient literature and religious belief have described cosmic phenomena for thousands of years. Although scientists might not admit their discoveries are further proof of God's creation, Vaisnav leader Bhakti Sudhir Goswami states, "Spiritual life is all about faith; it's not about empirical evidence." --- From the September 5-11, 2002 issue of Metro Silicon Valley's Weekly Newspaper Thanks to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:14:22 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:05:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Speiser >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >><snip> >>I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >>if you ignore the blimp's empennage... >Hi Jim , Errol & all! :) <snip> >I inquired off a blimp to several other people, no-one had seen >one and left my number with a cute chicky-babe, who will ask >around for me! I think I will talk to the paper about an appeal >for other witnesses, or write a letter to the Editor. Also I >might put an ad on the local notice board or somesuch. Should I >ask the Police if anyone's reported anything? If anyone want's >to chip in advise, please feel free! :) I'm new to ufology on >this level. Just keep on truckin'! Is there any way you can deduce the approximate location on the ground that the object was over? Difficult without knowing the size and hence the distance, but if you can map a locus of possible "footprint", i.e., the total area over which the object _could_ have floated, then investigate that area, this might give you some clues. For instance, if you find a new housing development, possibly a large advertising balloon or aerostat may be the culprit. Sorry to keep harping on that theme, but your task is to start with the most likely explanations and eliminate them one by one. >For an indication of what I recall (I only snatched a few >glimpses) as being the shape or form of the object, see this >Oregon UFO: >http://www.protree.com/pufo/images/oregon.1950/oregon-1950.2.gif The McMinnville photo... >But bear in mind that the object/s we saw was/were very bright >& silvery white, with very little shadow visible. Both days were >very bright & sunny!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 New Sign Historical Group Documents On-Line From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:28:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:05:50 -0400 Subject: New Sign Historical Group Documents On-Line Sign Historical Group ...most scientific problems are far better understood by studying their history than their logic. - Ernst Mayr Sign Historical Group (SHG) is pleased to announce the addition of three primary historical documents with related supplementary materials to our web site. The materials are pertinent to the era 1966-1969, which marked one of the longest sustained waves of sightings resulting in a critical period of scientific and political decision-making concerning the UFO issue. Included are complete texts of the following: FINAL REPORT OF THE SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS: Conducted by the University of Colorado Under Contract to the United States Air Force (1968), by Dr. Edward U. Condon, Scientific Director. http://www.project1947.com/shg/condon/index.html SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS: Hearings Before The Committee On Science and Astronautics, U. S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, Second Session, July 29, 1968. http://www.project1947.com/shg/symposium/index.html POLITICKING AND PARADIGM SHIFTING: James E. McDonald and the UFO Case Study (1975), Ph.D. Dissertation by Dr. Paul McCarthy. http://www.project1947.com/shg/mccarthy/index.html Also included is a fairly comprehensive LINKS SECTION, which provides a significant number of ancillary documents and materials. http://www.project1947.com/shg/shglinks.html We are especially pleased to present "Politicking and Paradigm Shifting," which chronicles the activities of atmospheric physicist, Dr. James E. McDonald, in a series of UFO-related controversies between 1966 and 1970. From the historical perspective, Dr. McCarthy's dissertation provides significant background by revealing the story of McDonald's efforts to influence the outcome of events, and convince scientists that the pursuit of satisfactory explanations for UFO reports represented an important scientific problem, which was not getting adequate attention. He found few allies in this scientific quest, and many of the relevant questions still remain unanswered. A special thank you to Dr. Paul McCarthy for his permission to allow us to reproduce his historical work and make it available to the public for the first time. An introduction to the materials can be accessed here: http://www.project1947.com/shg/shgdocs.html Preparations of these on-line versions are a collaboration between SHG and National Capital Area Skeptics (NCAS). Both SHG and NCAS share an interest in making accessible primary source documents relevant to the history of the UFO issue. There are many people to thank for the work involved in bringing these materials online. Especially, we wish to express our gratitude to Jim Giglio for his resolute work and perseverance on the project, as well as, the staff at NCAS including, Lynn Francis; Mary Pastel; Neil Inglis; Tim Scanlon; Barry Blyveis; and Zoe Ann Lapinski. In addition, SHG would like to extend its gratitude to Richard Greenwell, John Schuessler, Philip Klass, Peter Sturrock and Michael Swords for permission to include various works presented on these pages. SHG also gratefully recognizes the assistance and materials provided by Jerry Cohen, Jean van Gemaert, Richard Moss and Joseph Dundovic in the links section, and extends its sincere appreciation to Brad Sparks and Candy Peterson of SHG who helped with important suggestions and editorial assistance; and specially to John Stepkowski, Project 1947 and SHG webmaster, for his patience and untiring work on this project. We think you will find that Jim and John have done an exceptional job maintaining the look-and-feel of the original documents, while providing an extremely efficient means of navigating these web documents. Additionally, we would like to thank Dr. McCarthy for ensuring this valuable resource will remain available to students of UFO history. Tom Tulien Sign Historical Group - September, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 Leading Hair Expert On Verge Of Proving Existence From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 06:17:58 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:08:20 -0400 Subject: Leading Hair Expert On Verge Of Proving Existence Source: Ananova, 4th September 2002, http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_663748.html?menu=3Dnews.scienceanddisco= very.phenomena Stig *** Tests being carried out on 'yeti' hair ** A world-renowned hair expert is on the verge of proving the existence of a "Yeti-like" creature on an Indonesian island. Hans Brunner is studying hair samples discovered in Western Sumatra which have baffled other scientists. The tale of the Orang Pendek, or Little Man of the Forest, is a well known legend in the region. Brunner, an associate of Deakin University in Melbourne, Australia, has been analysing two hairs which were found by a team of British explorers who followed the trail of a primate which has long lived in the folklore of tribes people on the island. He has volunteered his expertise after the story of three part- time explorers discovering unknown hairs and a cast of a footprint was published worldwide. Adam Sanderson, Adam Davies and Keith Townley are crypto- zoologists who take time off from their day jobs to prove, or disprove, the existence of mythological creatures. They sent the hair samples they found in Western Sumatra to Australia for analysis and the findings have been little short of startling. No match could be found when they were tested against reference hairs of orang-utan, chimpanzee, gorilla, sun bear, red leaf monkey, pigtail macaque, Malaysian tapir and human. The Orang Pendek is said to be a 5ft tall creature with chocolatey-brown, orange hair. It's distinguishing feature is its humanlike gait - walking upright on its back legs without the aid of its front fists. If its existence is proved it could spark major anthropological debates about a potential "missing link" between apes and humans. Story filed: 09:45 Wednesday 4th September 2002 ** Related stories: Britons claim to have found 'Yeti' 15:05 Tuesday 30th October 2001 ** Copyright =A9 2002 Ananova Ltd
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 06:45:54 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:09:34 -0400 Subject: 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom Source: Cape Times - South Africa http://www.itechnology.co.za/index.php?click_id=3D126&art_id=3Dct20020905191= 126759_1365465&set_id=3D1 Stig *** Cape Times UFO falls through roof of couple's bedroom September 05 2002 at 07:11PM ** Kuala Lumpur - A man and his wife who were cosily in bed at their home had a rude shock on Wednesday night when a heavy object came crashing through their bedroom ceiling, a news report said on Thursday. The pair were not injured, but police said the falling object weighed about 3kg. It bore a serial number 1 341, appeared warm and smelled of burning rubber, reported Bernama news agency. Police officer Che Sab Hanafiah said the object would be analysed to establish what it was and where it had came from. "We cannot assume it came from an aeroplane until an investigation is fully done," he added. - Sapa-DPA ** =A92002. All rights strictly reserved. Independent Online is a wholly owned subsidiary of Independent News & Media. Reliance on the information this site contains is at your own risk.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 Stan's Missing E-mail From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 07:49:29 -0300 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:11:27 -0400 Subject: Stan's Missing E-mail I have had a series of hardware and software and virus problems over the last couple of weeks (Would you believe the warranty people having to replace a replacement motherboard?) My e-mail server guys managed to trash about 800 e-mails that I never saw! So if anybody e-mailed me and received no response, it is very likely that I never saw it. Please resend. My apologies. Of course, I also missed a lot of UFO UpDates items if there were any that it was expected I would be responding to. Stan Friedman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 Ballad of 9-11 From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:58:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:12:51 -0400 Subject: Ballad of 9-11 Unrelated to UFOs but pertinent to the upcoming aniversary, I wrote a song/poem to commemorate 9-11. It is posted along with other songs at the Flight 93 website: www.shanksvillememorial.com click on Flight 93 songs and look for Ballad of 9-11.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 8 UFO Seen In Tijuana From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:33:28 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:16:17 -0400 Subject: UFO Seen In Tijuana SOURCE: Terra.Cl and Gran Diario Regional El Mexicano DATE: September 7, 2002 UFO SEEN OVER TIJUANA, MEXICO ** Strange craft's maneuvers were seen by a large number of people** September 7 - Dozens of residents of Avenida Porticos in San Antonio de Los Buenos (Tijuana, Mexico) claim having seen a UFO in the early morning hours of September 1st. It had a diameter of approximately 50 meters and it remained suspended over this area at low altitude, even while covered by a cloud. Our sources, who spoke to us via telephon at the newsroom, said that the time was approximately 02:15 hours when they noticed a powerful light in the sky. Those who were the first in detecting it looked to the sky to see what this large object might prove to be, and they say it was not a helicopter. They state that they woke up other neighbors and friends, since they were afraid that they were suffering from a strange collective hallucination, having been at a party and consumed alcohol earlier. However, this was not the case, since those who were awakened and roused from their beds and had not consumed liquor saw exactly the same thing: a highly luminous object. What is most curious, according to our sources, is that the object in question was noiseless, not even when it rose higher into the air, before vanishing from sight. They do not know if others saw this strange flying object, but from the moment that the entire community of this section of Tijuana saw the object, they have not dismissed the possibility of having seen a UFO. "Grupo Xendra de Mexico" is gleaning more information to see if any video recordings or photographs of the phenomenon exist, so as to incorporate them to the wave that has been recorded in recent months in the land of the Aztecs. ============================================================== Translation (C) 2002 Scott Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special thanks to Ing. David Triay Lucatero, Grupo CAFE (Mexico)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 05:08:06 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:21:41 -0400 Subject: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? Source: Ely Daily Times - Nevada http://www.elynews.com/display/inn_news/news01.txt Stig *** September 8, 2002 Harpoon: Were alien bodies found near Ely? By KENT HARPER ** Aug. 14 passed us all by with little notice and no fanfare. Yet the date is one that has put Ely on the map... well, the cyberspace map, at least. On several websites scattered across the world, Ely is listed as one of 34 locations where alien spacecraft have crashed -- and bodies were recovered. It was 50 years ago. On Aug. 14, 1952, according to this list, the government recovered 16 alien bodies after their UFO crashed near Ely. The list -- this one located at www.v-j- enterprises.com/ufocrash.html -- contains the disclaimer that, "most physical evidence of these crashes has been confiscated by the government; however, not all evidence is in their possession. In the past, the government's central archive of UFO wreckage was Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. It has been reported that most of the alien bodies have been sent to Great Britain for storage and examination... Most of the crashes listed were identified in the Summer 1980 issue of The New Antlantean Journal on page 54," the website also notes. Unfortunately, our local library doesn't collect that New Age journal, so verification of the claim was impossible. And the library is funded by the county -- a governmental entity. The list includes UFO crashed from 1939 through November of 1992. In all, U.S. and foreign governments have seized the remains of 128 alien bodies (including the 16 found near Ely); 12 living aliens also were recovered at various sites and dates; and three complete UFO disks also have been recovered. The most notorious listing is the July 4, 1947, UFO crash at Roswell, N.M., in which four bodies were found. But while that event has been thoroughly documented by the Discovery Channel, there's another little- known occurance at Roswell. In 1949 a living alien was recovered. The Discovery Channel hasn't reported that. But then, it is subject to government control through its FCC licenses. Several years back, the Ely Times attempted to investigate the UFO crash claims. A call to the commander at Nellis Air Force Base was never returned. Is this yet another indication of a government coverup? Next, the Times traveled to Rachel, Nev., the UFO Capital of the World. At the Little A'Le'Inn the proprietor (or someone who seemed to be the proprietor) said, "Dunno," when asked about the Ely incident. The Times then went down the street to the Area 51 Research Center. But it appeared to be closed. Had the alleged proprietor at the A'Le'Inn warned the research center that someone was sniffing around? It looked like a deadend. Then late one night at a local bar, came a breakthrough. The topic of UFOs came up and a suggestion was made that the Times do a story about Area 51. After explaining the road blocks already encountered in trying to learn more about Ely's UFO connection, a semi-sober patron said he remembered the crash. It was back it the early '50s, he said. An Air Force jet crashed on South Ridge overlooking Copper Flat and U.S. 50. He said a radar station was built atop the mountain afterward. The Times wanted to verify the story and drove out Highway 50. There in the dark in the middle of the valley midway between Robinson Summit and the Ruth turnoff was a chilling sight. High atop one of the mountains was the flashing light of the radar facility. It was true, afterall. But the Times needed more information and turned to a local expert on UFOs and Area 51. The expert, a former mental health counselor and school board member, asked not to be identified. He told the Times he had once heard a story from a local man who had worked for Kennecott back in the '50s. While working a nightshift, he had seen a glowing object fall out of the sky and crash into the mountain. Later, government investigators had asked him not to discuss the "jet" crash as a matter of national security. The Times wanted to interview the man, but learned he had died years before. Again, the Times called Nellis AFB to seek information about the "jet" crash. But again, no one at the air base was willing to talk. The Times then attempted to get more information off the Internet, but learned the UFO crash website hadn't been updated since February of 1996. Had something happened to the webmaster? Since then, the Times has discovered that the Area 51 Research Center in Rachel has closed "for the season" and may not reopen. Dead eyewitnesses, no comment from Air Force officials, and even the Area 51 Research Center silenced. All that remains is that list on the Internet that's maintained by a few brave, surviving webmasters scattered around the globe. It may not be much, but if it's on the Internet, you know it's true. (Editor's note: Do you know or remember anything about a plane crash near Ely in August 1952? Contact the Ely Times at editor@elynews.com)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 More TEM THEMIS Weirdness From: Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior <eWarrior@electricwarrior.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:28:49 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: More TEM THEMIS Weirdness From: The Electric Warrior (Kurt Jonach) -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior : Mars Online September 9, 2002 http://www.electricwarrior.com/ -------------------------------------------------- MARS ONLINE : MORE TEM THEMIS WEIRDNESS martian enigmas (The Electric Warrior) - A week prior to his latest claims about the Face on Mars, Richard Hoagland sparked a controversy about a series of Mars Odyssey spacecraft images by claiming that online versions of the THEMIS data from NASA were a fraud. The Arizona State University THEMIS team captured an infrared image of the Mars Cydonia region, including the notorious Face on Mars, which has been freely available since July 24. Hoagland now asserts that a special version of that data, allegedly acquired from the NASA/ASU Web site under mysterious circumstances, shows incontrovertible evidence of an ancient civilization on Mars. Hoagland made a copy of his special image available for download from The Enterprise Mission (TEM), calling his version the "real" data. In a message relayed to a Space.com online forum on the topic of Cydonia, Hoagland said he invited side-by-side comparison and assessments regarding the intrinsic quality of the "real" image. DARK GRAY SHADOW http://www.electricwarrior.com/mol/ewTemThemis.jpg A dark gray shadow runs across the series of THEMIS images in the version of the file that The Enterprise Mission calls the "real" data. The shadow is seen in this crop from the left-most (6.62 um) image. The shadow may be an image processing artifact. "If you look at the image that is being purported and discussed," ASU's Philip Christensen told MSNBC, "it's clearly been doctored." FLUSH ACROSS THE TOP http://www.electricwarrior.com/mol/ewNasaThemis.jpg The file from NASA/ASU does not have the dark gray shadow across the top. The individual image strips are placed on a plain black background. In the TEM version, the gray shadow shows up across the back- ground, an indication that the entire image, not individual strips, were processed. -------------------------------------------------- RELATED RESOURCES 06-Sep-02 Boyle: More Mars mysteries http://www.msnbc.com/news/750150.asp?cp1=1 (MSNBC) - The most prominent boosters of Martian enigmas such as the "Face on Mars" have produced photos that they say provide evidence of mysterious buried city-style structures on the Red Planet - but the origins of the photos turn out to be just as murky a mystery. -------------------------------------------------- THE ELECTRIC WARRIOR September 9, 2002 Silicon Valley, CA http://www.electricwarrior.com Graphics & Gonzo -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior is not responsible for the content of Web links. Content reproduced here is for informational purposes only. All copyrights Acknowledged. eWarrior@electricwarrior.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Bueche From: Will Bueche <wbueche@centerchange.org> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:41:00 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:27:03 -0400 Subject: Re: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap - Bueche >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:21:00 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap >Source: NCBuy >http://www.ncbuy.com/news/wireless_news.html?qdate02-09-05&nav=VIEW&id=93 >IW702I1O4020905 >September 5, 2002 - Wireless Flash >E.T. Anal Probes Getting A Bum Rap <snip> >Abductions may sound alienating to you but Rodwell says many >children actually look forward to them and tell their parents >they learn more on UFOs than in school. Remarkable. When I saw this article, I was pleased by the breezy rather than cynical tone, and impressed that it contained some actual information about experiences. Albeit only the good kind of experiences that some people report. I am surprised that there is any criticism of this. If describing what happens during experiences, rather than simply remarking on the technology involved, is somehow unwelcome, then, well, I have to compare it to going to a play and spending all the time watching the stagehands while ignoring the play itself. Surely there is room for both "critics" and "audience members"? As to the claim that the probes improve health rather than just monitor it, well that does sound a little far fetched, as there are plenty of experiencers with health problems, but the following point that "the fear factor associated with abductions has little to do with reality" was good. She also got the interdimensional hypothesis into print, which is a good achievement, since many papers are still stuck in the seventies with the "space travel by rocket" idea (an idea promoted by SCICOP for the purpose of ridiculing it in the next breath). She scored on at least three points in that article. Good for her, and good for that Australian reporter. -Will Bueche
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:44:16 -0300 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:30:05 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:03:59 +0000 >Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:27:19 -0300 >>Subject: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>Hi folks. >>'Signs' was released in the U.S. a few weeks ago, but not yet in >>Brazil. >>Here it is already causing a big commotion, as everybody is >>talking about the circles. The press is doing full coverage of >>the film and, hopefully, will alert the people about the >>phenomena of the circles itself. >>But one strange information came to my attention yesterday and I >>wanna check it out with you in UFO UpDates. >>It has been said that a part of the film was either produced in >>or based on facts that happened in a small town called Passo >>Fundo (Deep Step), here in Brazil. Do any of you know anything >>about it? >>Thanks for any help. >>A. J. Gevaerd >>Brazilian UFO Magazine >A.J., >I wish you would check in with any relevant information you may >have about the January 1958 Trindade Isle photo case. That is a >lot more important than a science-fiction film whose theme has >only a dubious connection to UFOs. > - Dick Dear Mr. Hall: Thanks for the e-mail. The idea of getting info about the movie Signs is not an attempt to do any research about it but only to check out a curiosity. About the Trindade Island Case, however, I must say that we, Brazilian researchers, see as very unfortunate and opportunistic the recent attempts to discredit the photos. In recent articles released in the US a few authors have tried to imply that either Almiro Bara=FAna's material is a hoax or an accidental photograph of an airplane. This is simply outrageous. Bara=FAna died a few years ago as a serious and reputable man. The sighting of the UFO over Trindade is comprised of about 50 witnesses, many of them government employees and several military. The negative of all the photos was developed still in the ship, just after the picture was taken, with no chance of fakery or tricks. The idea that the object could be an airplane, as suggested in a recent USA paper, is offensive and even hilarious, since Trindade is at least 1.200 km from the nearest airport and an airplane should have at least 2.400 km autonomy to perform such a flight (40 years ago?). The Ilha da Trindade photos are some of the most remarkable and valuable evidences of the UFO phenomena. They have been intensively examined by military and civilians of several nations for decades, and not even a single piece of byte was found misplaced in them. I definitely don't understand the new attempts of reopening the case now?! We have so many other hard evidences coming from hundreds of very well documented cases, in Brazil and everywhere, that the simple idea of getting back to the Trindade Island photos seem absolutely out of place. Let'me move on. Many other "Trindade Islands" are in Brazil and in all over the world. All the best, A. J. Gevaerd Brazilian UFO Magazine
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:48:47 -0400 Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:43:47 -0400 >Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:18:32 +0200 >>Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate > >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:23:12 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 06:03:40 +0200 >>>>Subject: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>>>Source: BBC Kent >>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/news/200209/02/ufo.shtml >>>>*** >>>>News >>>>UFO film sparks fresh ET debate >>>>Thursday 5 September, 2002 >>>>** >>>>(UFO watch - Watch actual footage taken by Brighton Police over >>>>the Sussex skies... click here) >>><snip> >>>It would be nice if we coud actually have a look at this video. >>>Anyone have a URL? I see they are already toting this as one of >>>those high speed balloons that can pace a helicopter without >>>being affected by rotor wash and then leave at a high rate of >>>speed. >>I don't quite understand the question. If you go the BBC page and >>click the link that I quoted, you'll see the video in RealVideo. >When I went after this the other day I got a '404' message. Could >have been down for a bit. Anyway I just had a look. Cerainly the >the real video tape/digital format? would have much more >information. The streaming takes away quite a bit. >So now my curiosity is aroused. Who is looking after the >original or at least a good copy? Obviously the police crew were >impressed. The audio is suffering too from the compression, >squeezed thru my 56k. Kudos to the brighton police for releasing >it in the first place. I do support Don's interest: will some efficient UK ufologist be able to get a copy of the original video, put it in an URL so that any of us can link, watch AND copy the video? By the way, the copy I saw had two different type of images, one black & white and another in colour, can I assume the images show indistinctly normal video recording and infrared photography? Do both proceed from the same helicopter? Can someone clarify this? One last thing, I understand there will be an official Police report: someone should get it and place it here for all to read. Who accepts the challenge? Vicente-Juan
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 UFO Sightings OZ Files 09.09.02 From: Diane Harrison <auforn@hypermax.net.au> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:21:38 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:53:39 -0400 Subject: UFO Sightings OZ Files 09.09.02 UFO Sightings OZ Files 09.09.02 Many thanks to all that have contributed to these reports ____________________________________ UFO Sighting Wantirna VIC 1800 UFO call in code 02609 Date: 31 07 02 Time of call..1.17 pm Caller...Daniel. Location...Wantirna Report Daniel described seeing two "shooting star like objects" while camping on the Murray on 2nd March 2002. One was red and the other was white in colour. They looked too low to be shooting stars and were very bright. They were seen around midnight.No further details. George Simpson Victorian State AUFORN Director UFO Sighting Ringwood VIC 1800 UFO call in code 02634 Date: 17. 08. 02 VIC Time of call..11.21pm. Location...Ringwood. Callers..Joanne and Robert. Report Witnesses saw an object that was too fast for a plane or helicopter, and changed directions. This object was seen at 11pm and 11.10 pm . The house lights went out, then Robert saw a fireball/flame type of object which made a noise and was heading towards Warrandyte. George Simpson Victorian State AUFORN Director UFO Sighting McKinnon Parade, North Adelaide 1800 UFO call in number 02629 Date: Thursday 15 August 2002 Time: 1615 hrs CST Location: McKinnon Parade, North Adelaide, South Australia 5006 Reporters: Mr & Mrs Geoff Lockyer and their 10 year old daughter. Investigator: Keith Basterfield. Background: On 16 August I received an e-mail from Charmaine Ballam, State Director AUFORN, asking if I would investigate Hotline call number 02629. Contact was given as a "Jeff L" of North Adelaide, telephone 83. The message on the e-mail was given as "Three of us may have a photo of a UFO that flew over the top of our house half an hour ago in North Adelaide. Reported matter to Police, don=B9t know if you are interested. The media are. May have a photo?" Investigation: (A) Initial interview At about 1630hrs on 16 August 2002 I telephoned the number given and spoke to a Geoff L. Arrangements were made to call in and see him before 1900hrs as he was going out to dinner. I attended at McKinnon Parade, North Adelaide at about 1845hrs and was introduced to Geoff, his wife and their daughter. We stepped out the back to the location from which they had viewed the object. Mrs Lockyer had been sitting outside on a clear afternoon at about 1615hrs. Mr Lockyer was inside on the telephone. Mrs L attention was drawn to an unusual object which came into view over the Women and Children=B9s hospital to her left (my estimate is 20 degrees elevation to the WNW). The object travelled across the sky towards the north. As it travelled it moved in a very unusual "corkscrew type" of movement. Upon reaching approximately NW, the object stopped. By this point she had called her husband out and he too saw the object. Both described it as not circular in shape, rather it seemed to be a multi-straight edged object. He thought it looked black in colour, she thought it looked metallic, silver in colour. It had about six bright yellow lights on it which were in three sets of twos distributed around the edge of the shape. Suddenly, a bright red light appeared. Mr L thought the object was in distress, possibly on fire and he decided to telephone the emergency services on his mobile telephone, which he did. After being stationary for a short period, the red light went out, and the object then moved to their right passed behind a tree (the top of which I estimated as 40 degrees in elevation.) It was then seen travelling "away" to further to their right where they eventually lost sight of it, approximately N. However, before it travelled behind the tree their daughter fetched a camera and took a single picture of the object. There was no associated noise with the object, which by comparison to the quarter Moon visible during the interview, was bigger than the full Moon (i.e. at least half a degree across.) The total angular distance travelled I estimated as 80 degrees. I left at about 1910hrs to make further inquiries. (B) Further inquiries as at 21/8/02 Telephone calls were made to four people in Adelaide who receive UFO reports from the public. None had received any reports for the afternoon in question. In addition, none had received a report on any date which described an object with the same characteristics as described here. A check with the national UFO Hotline revealed that it had not received any further calls in relation to this report. A query is being directed via the Hotline to RAAF Edinburgh. However, it should be noted that the RAAF ceased investigating UFO reports from the public in 1984. Today, they refer callers reporting UFO sightings to civilian UFO groups. No items have been noted in the media about similar sightings. Sighting location The address concerned is a two storey town house with the courtyard facing NW. It is located at the southern edge of a dense residential square of suburban residences, in the heart of the City of Adelaide. To the immediate S are Park Lands. To the W is the large Women=B9s & Children=B9s Hospital. Suburbs stretch for kilometres to the N, W and E. (See attached map). (D) Weather details The reporters advised that the weather conditions at the time were of a clear blue sky. A check with the "Adelaide Advertiser" Newspaper revealed the following: Sunset was at 5.44pm. Adelaide=B9s minimum temperature was 3.7 and the maximum was 16.4 degrees C. At 3pm the temperature was 15.9 Humidity at 3pm was 52% Pressure at 3pm was 1028.5hPa There was no rain recorded in the City for the preceding 24 hours Winds predicted were 7-12 knots from the NE in the morning, changing to 5-10knots SW in the afternoon changing again to 7-12 knots SE in the evening. What can we deduce from the above? The event occurred in broad daylight and the object would have been lit from the left hand side at all times The "best guess" is that at the time of the sighting the winds were light and from the SW. This means that as the object travelled from their WNW to N at roughly the same angular elevation, in essence a SW to N trajectory, the object was travelling with the wind behind it. The photograph I have inquired several times about the status of the photograph. I e-mailed Geoff on 19 August, I wrote to him on 22 Aug and I have telephoned a number of times, but have received no response to my queries. Summary On the details provided I can see no convention explanation for this observation. Many thanks to Keith Basterfield for this follow up. Regards, Charmaine Ballam AUFORN - Sth Australian State Director http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn UFO Sighting Grassmere NSW 1800 UFO call in code 02645 Date: 24.08.2002 Time: 11.53pm Location: Grassmere NSW Reportee: J J walked into her young daughter's room to settle her down. Apparently all her children were feeling restless that night. She sat in a chair while holding her daughter, cradling her to sleep. J utilized her vantage point and gazed out the window admiring the starry night. Just then her eyes became fixed on a bright star-like light just above the trees (50-60 degrees above the southern horizon, according to J). She then noticed something peculiar: the star-like object (SLO) began to move around abruptly within a small radius. As she placed her daughter to sleep, she called her husband over. They then noticed that the SLO began to flicker in an array of different colours. At one stage the SLO temporarily lost its bright luminosity,=94 As if it was running low on energy=94, J quoted. The couple watched in admiration for around 10 minutes before they lost interest and possibly retired for the night. Notes: I believe what J and her husband saw was either Canopus (Stellar magnitude =960.6), or more likely Achernar in the constellation Fornax (0.45 stellar magnitude). Both stars are in the southeastern region of the sky, however Canopus would be fairly low as well as Alpha Centauri (0 stellar magnitude), which is more towards the southwest, in the constellation Centaurus. The flickering effect may have been caused by a combination of scintillation (as well as the abrupt maneuvering) and a turbulent atmosphere. Finally, the reason for the loss of luminosity, quite possibly, was a patch of cloud or haze in transit. The SLO displayed no other unusual form of characteristics that would conclude to something else other than a star. However, I did ask J to keep an eye on that region of the sky around the same time of the night and to observe the presence of the SLO. I've asked her to contact me regardless. Regards Attila UFOSWS UFO Sighting Taree NSW 1800 UFO call in code 02633 Date: 17/08/2002 Location: Taree NSW Reportee: K Telephone: I've recently contacted K who gave me a brief description of the account. Apparently her husband S was the first who saw the unusual lights in the sky. Unfortunately, because of the nature of his employment, I was unable to contact him personally. On this particular Saturday S went outside his residence and noticed a large orange light, travelling steadily and consistently from the east to the west. K was then called out to satisfy her curiosity. She described the orange light to be moving slowly across the sky, much slower than a conventional aircraft. It occasionally flickered' every now and then. She said it was about the size of a 50-cent piece at arms length and appeared to be oval in shape. The couple observed the phenomenon for around 10 minutes before it slowly glided out of view. K also added that at times it was hard to tell whether it was moving or not. I have recently e-mailed the climate control department to gain information on wind direction at the time of the sighting. I have not yet received a response. Judging the characteristics of the anomaly, it seems to me that it may well have been a classic case of an inflated hoax. Regards UFOSWS UFO Sighting Leichart N.S.W. 1800 UFO callin code 02622 Day: Saturday Date 10th Month August: Time: 7.21pm. Reportee: Peter. Area: Leichart N.S.W. On Saturday August 10th at 11.0am Peter was standing at a bus stop in Leichardt waiting for a bus.There was a clear blue sky when Peter noticed a bright white light in the north eastern sky appear out of nowhere.At first Peter thought it was an airplane it was about 45 degrees moving towards him but as he watched he realised it was not an airplane.He described it as an elongated cylindrical beam of light dipping from 45 degrees to 20 degrees as it moved towards him, suddenly it shot off to the left so fast that it left a shadow light mark where he was looking at it.Peter watched it for approximately 15 seconds he said there was no sound. When it disappeared he freaked out and asked the lady standing next to him if she had seen it, but she hadnt.Peter told me it was intensely bright, oval shaped and he judged it to be 20 or 30 metres across.He said it would have been bigger than a 10 cent coin held at arms length and guessed it would have been over North Sydney. He couldn't believe how blatantly close the object came and feels that others must have seen it.He added that the object was kind of floating down before it vanished. Peter would be interested to know if there are any correlating reports. Thank you. Larraine Cilia Ufo society Western Sydney. UFO Sighting Wiley Park N.S.W 1800 UFO Callin code 20615 Day Saturday Date 3rd Saturday Month: August Time 7.55pm Area Wiley Park N.S.W Reportee Gregory A strange anomaly was sighted over Wiley Park on Saturday August 3rd. It was approximately 6.40pm, Gregory strolled out on to his balcony, which is high up, and casually watched the evening air traffic. He often does this,his home is under the flight path from Sydney airport and he knows his aircraft.Gregory watched 2 commercial airplanes fly overhead and was now watching a 3rd light approaching from the airport way.It was a bright sparkling white light pulsating like a star and as it got closer Gregory realised it wasn't an airplane. It was zig zagging in the sky,up,sideways,down and back to where it first was,making perfect square patterns. It was moving in straight lines with no wobbling and there was no sound.While Gregory was watching an airplane approached.The object stopped in mid air and dimmed its lights until the plane had passed.It then changed to an orangey red glowing capsule shaped object,still zig zagging squares in the sky.Gregory guessed it to have been about as big as a holden commodore and approximately 1000 feet or more high.There was scattered vapour cloud over to the north and Gregory saw a helicopter emerge out of it,once again the object stopped in mid air and faded out.Gregory watched the helicopter pass.He looked for any identifying emblems on the helicopter,but he said it just looked like a dark silhouette.The ufo never reappeared,it was 7pm,Gregory had been watching this Aerial phenomenon for 20 minutes. Larraine Cilia UFO Society Western Sydney. UFO Sighting Coolum QLD 1800 Callin Code: 02069 08.09.02 QLD Report: Day: Sunday Date: 08.09.02 Time sighted: 9.00 pm aprox Shape: Round and solid Size: Fist Objects: 1 Colour: dull off white to yellow Sound: none Duration: 3-4 seconds Direction: Heading South Witnesses: 1 Location: Coolum Qld Height: in our atmosphere. Troy said; " I went out side for a smoke when I noticed an object flying very fast through the sky and it was as big as my fist." "It had no lights, it was quite." Troy said he would like to report another incident. Troy said "sometime in late Jan early Feb 2002 I was on my way home from work I wasn't paying much attention to the time but it was late afternoon early evening." "I noticed 3 white balls of light in an triangle formation just hovering over the top of a paddock which I was heading towards". "I thought to me self, what the heck are they, the next thing I remember I was standing on the outside of my car just looking up". "I was absolutely terrified and I don't know why and to this day I can't remember how I came to stop the car and get out as my last memory was of being calm just looking at some strange light formation". I asked Troy did he notice anything different about himself or the time, he said: "to be honest I never really gave much attention to the time, but I remember being terrified though this is something I can't forget and I don't know why". Troy said he had thought about hypnosis to help him find out what really happened. End report: Still under investigation Regards Diane Harrison National Australian Director AUFORN UFO Sighting Peake and Tailem Bend 1800 Callin Code: 02060 05.09.02 SA Report Note: This observation appears part of a number from that date and time in South Australia. Date: Thursday 5 September 2002 Time: 5.55 p.m. CST Location: On road between Peake and Tailem Bend, South Australia. Reporter: Zee Zee was travelling in a vehicle halfway between Peake and Tailem Bend heading towards Tailem bend. The vehicle was pointing NNW at this stage. She saw a red light appear in the sky to the front of the vehicle, and then there was a bright blue flash. The blue flash vanished just like a light bulb being switched off. A crooked trail of "smoke" was left in the sky for some time. The pre-smoke observations' duration was a "couple of seconds." No sound was heard above the noise of the vehicle. Zee's companions were Tina and Kerry. Tina forwarded an electronic sighting form to UFOR (NSW). In that form she described her sighting. Out of the corner of her eye she saw what she thought was a shooting star. It became a blue ball shaped object with a red/orange light around it. It was trailed by a bright white stream similar to that which jets leave behind in the sky. It then seemed to explode and disappear. Total duration was "a matter of seconds." No sound was heard. Additional observations: 1. The ABC News Online 6/9/02 9.25am AEST carried the following: 'Great fireball spotted in South Australian skies' "A leading Australian astronomer believes a large meteor may have hit the earth near Adelaide last night. "Early yesterday evening, South Australian Police were inundated with reports of sonic booms, earth tremors and sightings of a blue streak in the sky. "Ken, from Hindmarsh Island, 100 kilometres south of Adelaide says he heard a whoosh. "It came straight over the top and left a huge smoke trail and there was two huge sonic booms afterwards, " he said. "It was incredible. I've never seen anything like it."" 2. The Adelaide Advertiser Newspaper 6/9/02 'Sky trail caused by debris' "Debris is the likely cause of a strange display in South Australian skies last night. "Colin Norris, director of the Australian International UFO Research, said he received telephone calls from people around the state who reported: "a bright light with a tail." "It's debris because a meteorite usually has a purple or white front and just goes straight on." Mr Norris said, The debris probably came from a rocket." 3. ABC News radio "Star stuff." 8/9/02 A piece included: 1. Interview with man from Hindmarsh Island. Observed object travelling East to North West. Had 3-4 "heads" to it. Went straight over. 2. Interview with man from Victor Harbor. Observed object travelling straight over Victor harbor. Duration 1-2 seconds. Seen slightly N of West. 3. Interview with astronomer who stated that an E to W trajectory probably excluded space debris and made it more likely a meteor. Many thanks to Keith Basterfield uforesearchersa@yahoo.com.au for this follow up. Regards, Charmaine Ballam AUFORN - Sth Australian State Director http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn ----- Regards Diane Harrison National Director The Australian UFO Research Network and UFO Hotline. Australian Skywatch Director Co Editor The Australasian UFOlogist Magazine Tel number 1800 77 22 88 a Free Call Australian UFO Research Network - http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn E-mail auforn@hypermax.net.au A non profit organisation PO Box 738 Beaudessert 4285 QLD Australia Tel 07 55 44 6888
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:12:42 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:58:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday ><snip> >Today I sat watching the position where we saw the object/s a >week ago. I arrived at 12:30 & departed at 13:30. This gives >approximately 30 minutes before and after the sighting time last >Saturday. Dave, Jim, List: I noticed that there was a tree at the left edge of the picture, thus the objects were near the horizon, the exact location depending of course on whether the picture was cropped or enlarged. Because of the Earth's annual motion, stars rise (East) and set (West) four minutes earlier each night, or 28 minutes earlier in a week. Thus if your times are approximate you'd better take a look on a clear night with a half hour or more to spare. Take the number of days elapsed, times 4 (minutes) and add enough time to be sure you don't miss it. Clear skies, Bob Young The Old Stargazer
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:38:32 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:14:22 -0700 >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:22:06 -0700 >>>>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:37:49 +1000 >>>>Subject: Re: I Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>><snip> >>>I dunno, Dave, "elliptical" and "blimp-shaped" are pretty close, >>>if you ignore the blimp's empennage... >>Hi Jim , Errol & all! :) ><snip> >>I inquired off a blimp to several other people, no-one had seen >>one and left my number with a cute chicky-babe, who will ask >>around for me! I think I will talk to the paper about an appeal >>for other witnesses, or write a letter to the Editor. Also I >>might put an ad on the local notice board or somesuch. Should I >>ask the Police if anyone's reported anything? If anyone want's >>to chip in advise, please feel free! :) I'm new to ufology on >>this level. >Just keep on truckin'! Is there any way you can deduce the >approximate location on the ground that the object was over? >Difficult without knowing the size and hence the distance, but >if you can map a locus of possible "footprint", i.e., the total >area over which the object _could_ have floated, then investigate >that area, this might give you some clues. For instance, if you >find a new housing development, possibly a large advertising >balloon or aerostat may be the culprit. Sorry to keep harping >on that theme, but your task is to start with the most likely >explanations and eliminate them one by one. Of course you are right Jim, thanks! :) It seemed to beside the hill, I need to visit that building site (which was closed last Saturday), & the Mansion on the hill. I nearly did it on Sat, but turned chicken at the gate!:( Also, I forgot to mention an important fact! We did look back, on both days, to see if it were a 'plane or parasail & we questioned where it had gone, as it was no longer visible! I remembered this last night as Tony called over to get some CD's he'd lent me and we recalled the events. This was the 1st time I'd spoken to him since Sunday. [BTW, since re-visiting the site, my estimated height from the road is 55 - 60 degrees high. My memory recall as previously mentioned was 45 degrees! :( ] Question: 60 is closer to the ground than 45, right? I have no navigational skills & even get lost in shopping malls! :( >>For an indication of what I recall (I only snatched a few >>glimpses) as being the shape or form of the object, see this >>Oregon UFO: >>http://www.protree.com/pufo/images/oregon.1950/oregon-1950.2.gif >The McMinnville photo... >>But bear in mind that the object/s we saw was/were very bright >>& silvery white, with very little shadow visible. Both days were >>very bright & sunny! As Tony had the most viewing time of the object, I showed him the pic I'd chosen, but he remembers it to be more elongated! I showed him some other pics that I'd chosen as possibly resembling the object, Tony's choice was this simile: http://home.austarnet.com.au/dacres/similarTrinityBch.jpg This pic was snapped in Utah in 1972. Though he agreed, the width may have been thicker! I had a phone call from a Lady named Emma from AUFORN tonight. I filed a report & she advised that I contact the press to appeal for witnesses. I told her of my intention to send the following press release to the local newspaper, the Cairns Post & several local radio stations. It reads... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Appeal for witnesses to strange sighting at Trinity Beach. On Saturday (31 Aug) at approx. 1pm. I was travelling with a workmate to Port Douglas, north of Cairns, Queensland. We were approaching the Trinity Bch. roundabout, when I noticed a reflective silvery-white elliptical object, approximately the size of my thumb, hovering about 55 - 60 degrees up in the sky to the east, just below & to the left of the large hill at Trinity Beach. I quickly said "skywatch" & pointed in the direction for Tony. He only got a glimpse & I couldn't study it much as I was driving, but we both agreed that it looked very anomalous! On Sunday (1st Sept.). we had to work again at Port Douglas. I forgot to grab my camera and nearly turned back for it, but logic reasoned that I'd ever see another UFO again! After all, I've been looking out for them for about 30 years and never seen anything anomalous until Saturday. This time Tony & I had another workmate, Mick travelling with us. I had told Mick what we had seen & I told them both to watch out of the right window in case we spotted it again. When I neared the area, I slowed down a bit, just in case and amazingly, there it was again at about the same time, 1pm. Tony was prepared this time and got a really good look at it, Mick only caught a fleeting glimpse as the road dips downward and the object was obscured by trees. When we passed the trees we looked back, but the object had disappeared! The same thing happened the day before! I have done some investigating and I'm satisfied that so far there is no logical explanation for what we saw! If anyone else witnessed it anything strange, I would appreciate feedback. People can email me: Dave@davidacres.com or phone me on xxxx xxxxxx. I've heard that something anomalous was reported at Gordonvale on local radio in the past week. If anyone has info on this, I'd love a transcript or a recording! :) Thanks, regards Dave." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I thought I should get this out there ASAP, if there are other witnesses it's best to get 'em while it's fresh, is it not? Or do you think I should wait 'til I've checked the building site, Jim? Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Secrecy News -- 09/09/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:59:15 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:44:58 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/09/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 87 September 9, 2002 ** INTELLIGENCE AND HOMELAND SECURITY ** THE HATFILL MESS ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS INTELLIGENCE AND HOMELAND SECURITY The role of intelligence in a new Department of Homeland Security has emerged as a major point of contention in the continuing debate over the Department's establishment. In contrast to the Bush Administration proposal and the House bill, which would give intelligence a lower profile within the new Department, the Senate version of the Homeland Security bill would establish a separate new directorate of intelligence with its own undersecretary, and it would provide the Department with routine access to so-called "raw intelligence." Senator Joseph Lieberman, the leading architect of the Senate proposal, said that a robust intelligence capability to support homeland security had been lacking, and was essential to the new Department. "For the first time, we would create a new intelligence division focused on the threats to our homeland, equipped to truly connect the intelligence and law enforcement dots from Federal, State, and local agencies, from human and signal intelligence, from closed and open sources, from law enforcement and foreign sources, including particularly the Counterterrorism Center at the CIA," Sen. Lieberman said. Furthermore, under the Senate proposal, "unless the President directs otherwise, the Secretary [of Homeland Security] is provided with broad, routine access to reports, assessments, analytical information, and other information--including unevaluated intelligence--from the intelligence community and other United States government agencies," said Sen. Lieberman on September 4. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s090402.html A White House statement of administration policy said that it was a mistake to "stovepipe" intelligence in a separate directorate. The White House also complained that by mandating access to intelligence, the Senate bill "does not allow the President sufficient flexibility to calibrate carefully the information flow to the Department to protect intelligence sources and methods." See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/sap/107-2/s2452-s.html A Congressional Research Service report on "Homeland Security: Intelligence Support," by Richard A. Best, Jr., briefly analyzed the various proposals as of August 7: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21283.pdf The role of intelligence in Homeland Security was also examined in "Competing Visions" by Thomas Frank in Newsday, September 8: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-safe-home.story Senator Robert Byrd warned generally against racing to establish a new Department of Homeland Security at all costs. "We should take time to remember the legacy that we have inherited, a legacy of liberty and limited Government, and preserve these principles in the legacy that we will bequeath," he said on September 3. See: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2002/s090302.html THE HATFILL MESS The morass of accusations concerning Steven J. Hatfill, the scientist identified by the Attorney General as a "person of interest" in connection with last year's anthrax attacks, leaves one to wonder what is true, what is false, and "why are so many people eager to believe that this man is the anthrax killer?" Those questions are posed by David Tell in The Weekly Standard this week. His lengthy cover story is the most probing examination of this disgraceful episode published to date. See "The Hunting of Steven J. Hatfill" by David Tell in the September 16 issue of The Weekly Standard (in two parts) here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/623rbipi.asp SECRECY IN THE NEWS The impending declassification of selected imagery from the KH-7 and KH-9 intelligence satellites -- to be announced at a National Imagery and Mapping Agency conference on September 20 - - is discussed in "Old spy satellite photos going public" by Leonard David: http://www.msnbc.com/news/804604.asp The Bush Administration has asked the National Academy of Sciences not to publish a new report on agricultural bioterrorism, fearing that it could provide a "road map" for terrorists, an Academy official told the New York Times. (A government spokesperson disputed that.) The Academy will publish an edited version of the report in any case. See "Many Worry That Nation is Still Highly Vulnerable to Germ Attack" by Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Judith Miller in the September 9 New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/09/national/09BIOT.html The implementation of the USA Patriot Act and its impact on civil liberties are considered in "Patriot Act's scope, secrecy ensnare innocent, critics say" by Seth Rosenfeld in the San Francisco Chronicle, September 8: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/09/08/MN30478.DTL _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: More TEM THEMIS Weirdness - Morton From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:12:55 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:46:35 -0400 Subject: Re: More TEM THEMIS Weirdness - Morton >From: Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior <eWarrior@electricwarrior.com> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:28:49 -0700 >Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:23:00 -0400 >Subject: More TEM THEMIS Weirdness >From: The Electric Warrior (Kurt Jonach) >-------------------------------------------------- >The Electric Warrior : Mars Online September 9, 2002 >http://www.electricwarrior.com/ >-------------------------------------------------- >MARS ONLINE : MORE TEM THEMIS WEIRDNESS >martian enigmas >(The Electric Warrior) - A week prior to his latest claims about >the Face on Mars, Richard Hoagland sparked a controversy about a >series of Mars Odyssey spacecraft images by claiming that online >versions of the THEMIS data from NASA were a fraud. >The Arizona State University THEMIS team captured an infrared >image of the Mars Cydonia region, including the notorious Face >on Mars, which has been freely available since July 24. >Hoagland now asserts that a special version of that data, >allegedly acquired from the NASA/ASU Web site under mysterious >circumstances, shows incontrovertible evidence of an ancient >civilization on Mars. Hoagland made a copy of his special image >available for download from The Enterprise Mission (TEM), >calling his version the "real" data. >In a message relayed to a Space.com online forum on the topic of >Cydonia, Hoagland said he invited side-by-side comparison and >assessments regarding the intrinsic quality of the "real" image. <snip> Yes, this latest "City in Cydonia Under the Dust" is very bizarre in the way it has occurred... Even though the data received by Laney (who did the photo processing) may be accurate and may be in synch with MOLA-reported depths and altitudes reported by NASA, the problem I have with it is that it doesn't look like a city to me - at least, not any city I'm familiar with. Several items appear to be buildings, but that's about it for recognizable features. (Unless, of course, that big blue area in the lower right corner is a river or estuary, and the fingers jutting into it are docks, and the diagonal streak roughly in the middle of the picture is a river with bridges crossing it, etc). In general, the picture looks to me more like an older printed circuit board, or possibly an assemblage of integrated circuits placed on a board, or even farmland. I downloaded the 1mb+ TIF image from Hoagland's site, and did a few simple things to it with PaintShopPro 7.0... First, I converted it to a BMP. Then I enhanced the color saturation by 55%. Then changed the colors: Red -10%, Blue -10%, Green +90%. This brought out the green "buildings" (or whatever) more than the color version on the website. (It covers more area, too). Whatever it is looks interesting, but I don't see a city - at least, not one resembling a modern city on Earth.... If there are bridges over a river shouldn't we also see streets running for more than 1 or 2 blocks in the city - even on Mars? Do vehicles cross the river above ground, then duck below the city instead of traveling on streets? Well, maybe... Are the bridges there just for backup purposes? For nostalgic purposes? Because there's no reason to tear them down even though they're no longer needed, and it would be very expensive to do so? I have the nagging feeling that someone *might* have played an elaborate hoax on Hoagland. I hope not... If I recall his statement correctly, Hoagland believes that since the pictures were sent to Laney and not to Hoagland, Occam's Razor somehow gets invoked, and dictates that this couldn't be a hoax. This is way too simplistic a view to hold, since it might easily not be true!! Devious behaviour knows no bounds. Think of Ultra/Enigma strategies (let them bomb Coventry, and always hold back some Spitfires to fight another day - it'll drive them nuts and confuse the heck out of them...) and Operation Overlord deceptions during WWII for starters. I guess time will tell if the picture is the real McCoy or not... Dave Morton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:00:42 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:12:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - Hall >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 05:08:06 +0200 >Subject: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? >Source: Ely Daily Times - Nevada >http://www.elynews.com/display/inn_news/news01.txt >Stig >September 8, 2002 >Harpoon: Were alien bodies found near Ely? >By KENT HARPER >Aug. 14 passed us all by with little notice and no fanfare. >Yet the date is one that has put Ely on the map... well, the >cyberspace map, at least. On several websites scattered across >the world, Ely is listed as one of 34 locations where alien >spacecraft have crashed -- and bodies were recovered. >It was 50 years ago. >On Aug. 14, 1952, according to this list, the government >recovered 16 alien bodies after their UFO crashed near Ely. >The list -- this one located at www.v-j- >enterprises.com/ufocrash.html -- contains the disclaimer that, >"most physical evidence of these crashes has been confiscated by >the government; however, not all evidence is in their >possession. In the past, the government's central archive of UFO >wreckage was Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. It >has been reported that most of the alien bodies have been sent >to Great Britain for storage and examination... Most of the >crashes listed were identified in the Summer 1980 issue of The >New Antlantean Journal on page 54," the website also notes. >Unfortunately, our local library doesn't collect that New Age >journal, so verification of the claim was impossible. And the >library is funded by the county -- a governmental entity. >The list includes UFO crashed from 1939 through November of >1992. In all, U.S. and foreign governments have seized the >remains of 128 alien bodies (including the 16 found near Ely); >12 living aliens also were recovered at various sites and dates; >and three complete UFO disks also have been recovered. <snip> Presumably this is some kind of hick newspaper by and for anti- Government paranoids. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Mark Doulton <doults@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:35 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:27:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:08:07 +0200 (CEST) >Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:43:47 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate <snip> >>When I went after this the other day I got a '404' message. Could >>have been down for a bit. Anyway I just had a look. Cerainly the >>the real video tape/digital format? would have much more >>information. The streaming takes away quite a bit. >>So now my curiosity is aroused. Who is looking after the >>original or at least a good copy? Obviously the police crew were >>impressed. The audio is suffering too from the compression, >>squeezed thru my 56k. Kudos to the brighton police for releasing >>it in the first place. >I do support Don's interest: will some efficient UK ufologist be >able to get a copy of the original video, put it in an URL so >that any of us can link, watch AND copy the video? >By the way, the copy I saw had two different type of images, one >black & white and another in colour, can I assume the images >show indistinctly normal video recording and infrared >photography? Do both proceed from the same helicopter? Can >someone clarify this? >One last thing, I understand there will be an official Police >report: someone should get it and place it here for all to read. >Who accepts the challenge? I investigated a similar case of a UFO seen over Southend in Essex a few years ago. It caused a furore with the local Southend public who wanted to know why the police helicopter was chasing ufo's when they should have been chasing criminals. Having said that I have it on very good authority (don't expect me to name names) that there is no record on the police database regarding the event. It did happen and there were other witnesses to support it. If I come acrosss the video I'll forward a copy to Errol. And yes the police do normally have infra-red cameras on board. I'll see if I can get a copy of the police report. Mark Doulton Southend UFO Group
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:16:02 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:48:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? - >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:00:42 +0000 >Subject: Re: Were Alien Bodies Found Near Ely Nevada? <snip> >>The list includes UFO crashed from 1939 through November of >>1992. In all, U.S. and foreign governments have seized the >>remains of 128 alien bodies (including the 16 found near Ely); >>12 living aliens also were recovered at various sites and dates; >>and three complete UFO disks also have been recovered. >Presumably this is some kind of hick newspaper by and for anti- >Government paranoids. The "list" mentioned above is on V-J-Enterprises web site, which in turn references the 'New Atlantean Journal', which was a glossy new age publication. Back issues are available from the Inner-Peace Prosperity Network (IPPN): http://www.tje.net/para/organizations/ippn.htm I believe Borders Books (US) sold this magazine several years ago, and many 'New Age' publications of this type ran UFO related stories. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 9 Thought For The Day From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:18:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:50:15 -0400 Subject: Thought For The Day How To Tell If You're Closed-Minded A simple test: Ask yourself, "What evidence would dissuade me from my position/belief/opinion?" If the answer is "None.", you are closed-minded. That's perfectly OK, except that you lose the right to complain about other people's lack of open-mindedness. ==JJS--
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 CI: Infrared Images & Underground Cities on Mars: From: Mac Tonnies <macbot@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:23:18 -0400 Subject: CI: Infrared Images & Underground Cities on Mars: Cydonian Imperative 9-9-02 Infrared Images and Underground Cities on Mars: A Status Report by Mac Tonnies See: http://mactonnies.com/cydonia.html For followers of Richard Hoagland and Mike Bara's "Enterprise Mission," the last month has been a head-spinning feast of claims and accusations, followed by the release of purported "proof" of extraterrestrial architecture on Mars. Despite the counter-claims and general bickering that have taken up so much time (and bandwidth) on the Enterprise Conference BBS (and elsewhere), the important question is remarkably straight- forward: Is the so called "real" THEMIS infrared (IR) image what Hoagland claims or is it fake? As the controversy reaches a head, the latter option begins to overshadow the possibility that the IR image is the forever sought-after smoking gun. Supposedly the THEMIS IR image cited by Hoagland was briefly and inconspicuously posted at the Arizona State University website, where breaking THEMIS images are routinely posted. Anomalist/image processor Keith Laney, acting on an "insider" tip from an individual claiming affiliation with ASU, downloaded the image in its original TIF format before ASU mysteriously retracted it, posting a less interesting image in its place. [image] The Fort looks out across an alleged buried city, as seen in false color. By analyzing the downloaded image, Laney was able to bring out compelling detail: a gaudy false-color patchwork of rectilinear cells. Hoagland/Bara argue that these cells represent a vast underground substructure similar to anomalous features photographed by a Russian Mars probe in 1989. Philip Christensen, head of the ASU THEMIS team, thinks the Enterprise claim is nonsense. "If you look at the image that is being purported and discussed, it's clearly been doctored," Christensen said in an MSNBC article, pointing out that evidence of filtering could be made out. >From the beginning, TEM has been adamant that the image in its possession is the real thing and that the version currently available on the ASU site is a deliberately substandard fraud. This certainty proved premature when Laney acknowledged that he had already manipulated the "original" TIF before passing it on to Hoagland. (It's important to note that Laney is not responsible for the "doctoring" noted by Christensen. Rather, it appears that Laney was provided with an already doctored image bearing the dubious "substructure." His subsequent manipulations were merely an attempt to exhume detail from the data.) In any case, the "real" image displayed on the Enterprise site is, of Laney's admission, not the image allegedly leaked by ASU, having been subjected to enhancement by both Laney and Bara. But is the "original" image downloaded by Laney (and apparently still lurking on his hard drive) objectively real? To address this question, one must take a careful look at the false-color enhancements at the Enterprise site. Specifically, are there correlations between the "underground infrastructure" and visible-wavelength surface topology? Hardly. The IR "underground" features smother the entirety of the image in psychedelic profusion, their placement seemingly random. Proponents of the IR data will point out that it's impossible to dismiss the alleged structures based on appearance. After all, if the substructure is real, then it is the work of alien engineering. Who's to say what it should look like? But at the same time, the apparently arbitrary placement of the substructural grid cannot be easily shrugged away. Hoagland/Bara suggest that the tubular feature emerging from the eastern side of the Fort is duplicated in the THEMIS image. What they fail to see is that the IR "quilt" is riddled with lines. The fact that one such line happens to correspond with a single known surface feature is hardly proof of authenticity. To my mind, one clue that we're probably looking at a bogus image is that the cellular features seem to have nothing to do with anomalous formations such as the Fort, Face and D&M Pyramid, where one might expect evidence of underground structure. The quilt pattern continues uninterrupted to the far south, unimpeded by mountains and other variations in the terrain. If the substructure is real, it seems to predate Cydonia rather than complimenting it. Perhaps it was constructed by a technology so advanced that obstacles (both below-ground and above) were rendered inconsequential, in which case one wonders why the Martians would bother with relatively tiny, vulnerable features such as the Fort in the first place. While exotic interpretations are not strictly impossible, they leave a residue of nagging questions (i.e., Are we seeing two distinct phases of Martian architecture, the familiar "monuments" built on top of a buried necropolis?) Or is it more likely that the doctored image is simply fake? It wouldn't be the first such attempt to deceive the anomalist community. I've encountered some clever false alarms (one of which stumped an experienced PhotoShop artist). And I've received my share of "insider revelations" from NASA employees seeking to fulfill their own private "X-Files" fantasies. Of course, this doesn't prove that the image "leaked" to Laney is a fake. But it would be terribly naive to assume than an image is an accurate representation of reality simply because NASA (or, more probably, an ethically impaired agency employee working on his/her own time) says so. JPL's demonstrably false claims regarding the Face MOLA data should serve as both reminder and warning. So where does this leave us? As of this writing, the Enterprise Mission clutches a doctored photo of unknown provenance and - astonishingly - claims it possesses incontestable proof of extraterrestrial intelligence. At best, this is a comic mockery of scientific method. The original image - if it ever surfaces - may yet turn out to be for real. But until data of established origin is available for dissemination and review, arguing the implications of underground Martian installations is so much heated chatter, as anyone who's monitored the extended online discussion no doubt already knows. No amount of "Captain's Updates" will change the fact that TEM is not engaging in science, but rather a mutant discipline composed of proclamation and supposition, fueled by the insatiable need to be right regardless of contradictory evidence. One can only applaud Hoagland's willingness to seek out the truth. But it's become increasingly difficult to watch TEM's shopworn and toothless arsenal dragged out to yet again defend inflated assumptions. If Hoagland's data is correct, then this is the biggest discovery in history and more than enough reason to justify a manned mission to Mars. But science isn't a one-man show, however convenient that may be for appearing on Art Bell's talk-radio program. In that spirit, I call on the "insider" who started this controversy to come clean with the original imagery, if it exists, so that qualified scientists may examine it in a productive manner. -end-
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:30:35 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:28:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:12:42 EDT >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >><snip> >>Today I sat watching the position where we saw the object/s a >>week ago. I arrived at 12:30 & departed at 13:30. This gives >>approximately 30 minutes before and after the sighting time last >>Saturday. >Dave, Jim, List: >I noticed that there was a tree at the left edge of the picture, >thus the objects were near the horizon, the exact location >depending of course on whether the picture was cropped or >enlarged. >Because of the Earth's annual motion, stars rise (East) and set >(West) four minutes earlier each night, or 28 minutes earlier in >a week. Thus if your times are approximate you'd better take a >look on a clear night with a half hour or more to spare. >Take the number of days elapsed, times 4 (minutes) and add >enough time to be sure you don't miss it. Hi Bob, EBK & all :) Bob, you seem to be confused! :) Firstly that pic I linked was merely an example of the form or profile of the object, as my mind recalled it from the brief glimpses I snatched whilst driving. Secondly, on both days the sightings occurred at 13:00 hours, or 1 PM in layman's terms. A bright, sunny day with not a star in sight! Thirdly, it was approximately the width of my thumb held at arms length and even though I have rather small hands, I've never seen a star even close to that big! I'll add that I've never seen an elliptical star either! Did you actually read my posts on this?, or are you just "taking the piss", as my pommie mates would say! :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 CCCRN News: Two Formations - Mission, BC From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 04:27:02 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:31:45 -0400 Subject: CCCRN News: Two Formations - Mission, BC CCCRN NEWS The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada September 10, 2002 _____________________________ CROP WATCH 2002 TWO FORMATIONS - MISSION, BRITISH COLUMBIA Two formations in corn reported on September 8. One a single circle approximately 6 metres (20 feet) diameter and the other a circle, also approximately 6 metres (20 feet) diameter, with attached straight path. Exact location (in the Fraser Valley near Vancouver) being kept confidential until a CCCRN ground study can be done this week. Initial ground photos have been posted to the web site. These are the eleventh and twelfth reports for 2002. As the main CCCRN web site is again down temporarily due to continued increased traffic, please use the following copy of the Crop Circles in Canada 2002 page: http://www.webhome.idirect.com/~psa/circlescanada02.html The main web site should be back by end of this week, apologies again for any inconvenience. Crop Watch is an annual research project of CCCRN, including field investigations and studies of formations, aerial surveillance and awareness initiatives for farmers, the public and the media, in particular during the prime August / September 'circle season' on the Canadian prairies ____________________________ CCCRN News is the e-news service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, providing e-mail updates with the latest news and reports on the crop circle phenomenon in Canada, as well as other information on CCCRN-related projects and events, sent free to your e-mail. To subscribe, send an e-mail with Subscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network is a non-profit research organization which has been investigating and documenting the crop circle phenomenon and other possibly related phenomena in Canada since 1995, creating a liason between researchers, farmers, the public, the media and scientists in trying to solve this ongoing enigma. Main Office 202 - 325 East 14th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5T 2M9 Canada Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Cell: 604.727.1454 E-Mail: psa@look.ca Web: http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada =A9 Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:25:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:10:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Velez >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Ballad of 9-11 >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:58:57 -0400 >Unrelated to UFOs but pertinent to the upcoming aniversary, I >wrote a song/poem to commemorate 9-11. >It is posted along with other songs at the Flight 93 website: >www.shanksvillememorial.com >click on Flight 93 songs and look for Ballad of 9-11. Hi Bruce, I played your song on my guitar. It's a sweet and poignant sounding tune. That combination of minor and major chords when properly arranged, has the power to pluck at the heart-strings. I especially liked the lyrics. Yes, those heroic people represent what is best in humanity. Their act of supreme sacrifice, giving up their own lives in hopes of saving others, is the highest act that any sentient being can perform for another. A sharp contrast to the expression of that which is lowest in Man (the senseless taking of life) by the terrorists. The good news, if there is any, is that the actions of the terrorists on 9/11 has only served to make us stronger, and brought the members of our community closer together. New York is called the Capitol City of the World... the terrorists thought that by destroying our beautiful buildings and by killing our neighbors that they would deal us a crippling blow. They were wrong. It's not the buildings and monuments that make this city great. It is made so by the strength, the will and the hard labor of the _people_ of New York. Our 'greatness' whatever there is of it, rises from the depths of our common human Spirit. And Spirit is something that cannot be destroyed. Thanks for the song. :) Regards from, An appreciative born and raised New Yorker Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:13:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - By the way, for cataloguing purposes, what was the exact date of this event? Is there any source, other than the BBC reporting, details and circumstances of the case? (How events developed, time, duration, flight features, video recording characteristics, etc.) Are the Brighton police going to analyze the video? Someone should tell them _not_ to erase the tape (they may think as civil servants and re-use it!) and offer analytical and expert services to have the tape scientifically examined. Any volunteers to take this on? (I have to admit that most respondents to the BBC query felt it was just a fireballoon, right?). Regards, V-J
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:21:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - A Belgian UFO researcher has asked to post this message to UFO UpDates, which I am doing with pleasure. Vicente-Juan _______________________________________________________________ From: Patrick Vantuyne <patrick.vantuyne@pandora.be> To: <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:57:48 +0200 Hi Vicente-Juan, Could you please post this to UFO UpDates? I used to be a UFO investigator working together with SOBEPS in Belgium (Belgian Triangles)... see my website: www.pava.webb.be About Brighton. A week ago I saw the original footage on the BBC. I have it on tape. In those images it was clear we were looking at a dark silhouette with something like a shimmering burning flame underneath. In the infrared images the flame is overexposed but the dark silhouette becomes a white standing rectangular structure, resembling a bag. There is no doubt in my mind we are dealing with a small, home-made, hot air balloon. The spectacular movements of this object against the city in the background has nothing to do with its movement but is the result of an optical illusion - the movement of the helicopter against the background. Because they were using the zoom function of the auto-tracking surveillance camera, at the time, this movement is far exaggerated. The police officers involved did not take this observation very seriously, at the time, and were joking about it. Greetings from Belgium, Patrick Vantuyne (50)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:28:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate - >From: Mark Doulton <doults@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:15:35 +0100 >Subject: Re: Brighton UK Police Film Rekindles UFO Debate >Having said that I have it on very good authority (don't expect >me to name names) that there is no record on the police >database regarding the event. >Mark Doulton >Southend UFO Group Thanks, Mark, for your input. In Spain, the authorities have the obligation to fill in a report on any accident, incident, or abnormal event (any incidence). The same must happen in the UK. Therefore, if there is not a formal report of the UFO event it must be due to the fact it was never considered strange by the policemen who witnessed it. V-J
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:40:31 +0200 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:48:10 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:20:38 +0200 >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:09:59 -0400 >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:03:09 +0200 >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:41:17 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>>>From: Steve Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> >>>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:10:20 -0400 >>>>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants To EBK and the List, Following my previous messages regarding Dr Leir's surgeries and alleged implants, I thought it would be useful to give a sort of basic summary of the findings, for those interested but lacking information. Dr Roger K. Leir was subjected repeatedly to strong criticisms when he began talking publicly about his surgeries on alleged alien implants. One major criticism was, and still is, that he and his colleagues have not written any scientific article, accepted by a reputed scientific review. While this is a serious shortcoming, it also appears that a significant amount of credible information is available about these operations, objects removed, alleged abductees and their personal stories. Let's try to review briefly some basic information about them. The surgeries Here is the list of surgical extractions of alleged implants, performed either by Dr Roger Leir (in the case of foot implants) or by other surgeons with his assistance. This list is drawn from the book of Dr Leir, 'The Aliens and the Scalpel' published in 1998, and from several articles for later operations (see below). For anyone looking for information on the subject, the first thing to do is to buy his book and read it. It may be ordered from his web site at: http://www.alienscalpel.com/ According to Table 1, page 164 of his book, 8 operations took place from 1995 to 1998. First set of 3 surgeries, before NIDS involvement 1) 8-19-95, Patricia. Two implants in left toe, metallic seed, and metallic T-shape 2) 8-19-95, Paul. Left hand, metallic seed (looks like a 'cantaloup' seed) 3) 1-2-96, Babs (F). Left shoulder, 'elemental solid' ball Second set, sponsored and paid by NIDS 4) 5-18-96, Annie. Left leg, elemental solid ball 5) 5-18-96, Doris. Left leg, elemental solid ball 6) 5-18-96, Don. Left jaw, metallic triangle 7) 1-12-97, Lyla. Left heel, glass sliver (earthly origin, discarded) 8) 8-17-98, Pablo. Left hand, metallic seed (filmed by NBC and aired in February 1999) Other surgeries, after the publication of the book 9) 2-5-2000, Tim Cullen. Left wrist, metallic seed (case presented at the Laughlin UFO Congress of March 2000 with the presence of Tim Cullen. Reported in the MUFON UFO Journal of May 2000, and at the Mufon Symposium of July 2000. (See the Proceedings of the symposium, available at MUFON). 10) 10-29-2001, stewardess for a major airline. Small lump in the right arm, the size of a pea (case presented at the Laughlin UFO Congress, March 2002. Report in the British UFO Magazine of May 2002. Will be presented at the Leeds International UFO Conference, 20-22 September 2002). The implants Two series of tests have been performed in 1998 under the direction of NIDS, more precisely of Colonel John Alexander, at the Los Alamos National Laboratories, and at New Mexico Tech. In his book, his articles and conferences, Roger Leir mentions studies made in other laboratories, but these have not been published yet. We first have the results of the analysis done at New Mexico Tech in 1996, paid by NIDS and published on its web site, at: http://www.nidsci.org/ In addition to this document, we have the 'letter of opinion' of the metallurgic engineer who did the tests, Mr Paul A. Fuierer. It is not on the NIDS site, but it is reproduced by Dr Roger Leir in his book, with his comments, and on his own web site, at: http://alienscalpel.com/NMTech-opinion.htm It is also on the web site of the Abduction Information Centre (AIC) managed by John Velez, on which we have in addition some critical comments on the New Mexico Tech Analysis, at: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/aic/ As for the analyses done at Los Alamos, it seems that they are presented, rather briefly, and only in the book of Dr Leir, which he published on his own initiative. It seems important to repeat here that, in the initial agreement between NIDS and the Leir-Sims team, it was understood that NIDS would publish a scientific article (according to Leir in his book). But instead of that, in 1996 they pushed Leir to publish rapidly an article in the Mufon UFO Journal (see p 175 of the book). Probably, this did not help to achieve the goal of obtaining a scientific publication. Incidentally, Jacques Vall=E9e, who is member of the scientific board of NIDS, could have easily obtained the publication of a properly written article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. He obtained the publication, in April 2001, of a sharp criticism of the Cometa report, written by the french skeptic Claude Maug=E9, and translated by Vallee. Why not an article on Dr Leir's implant scientific analyses done in those two laboratories, whatever the conclusion would be? In his book (paperback edition) Leir recalls that Vall=E9e was present at the meeting with Bigelow and the NIDS scientific board in Las Vegas. We can also note that the biological findings have not been published at NIDS, although there are biologists on the board. Articles For the record, here are the main articles, to be found easily in the UFO litterature. In the Mufon UFO Journal: April 1996 (No 336): 'In Seach Of Hard Evidence' by Dr Roger Leir June 1998 (No 362): 'Alien Implants - A 1998 Update' by Dr Leir November 1998 (No 367): 'The effects of 'implant' removal discussed by five individuals', by Eve Frances Lorgen December 1998 (No 368): 'NBC Films Implant Removal', by Dr Leir May 2000 'implant' Removals Yield Interesting Results', by Dr Leir Mufon July 2001 Symposium Proceedings: 'Alien abduction - Alien implants. Why ?' by Dr Leir UFO magazine (US), January 1999: 'NBC Special to air surgical removal of purported implant, by Jack Carlson. UFO Magazine (GB), May 2002: in the account of the Laughlin UFO Congress, by Graham Birdsall. Some videos are also available on the surgeries and conferences of Dr Leir. The summary of the scientific findings For those who don't want to read any of these articles and documents, let's try to make a very brief summary of the most interesting findings. As seen in the list above, two main kinds of implants were found , metallic, and non-metallic (little balls). In his book, Roger Leir gives his summary of the biological and metallurgical findings (pp 162 to 171). 1) Biological findings About the metallic objects: Four produced metallic objects covered by dark, grey, shiny membranes that could not be opened with a surgical blade. This membrane was shown to consist of protein coagulum, hemosiderin, and keratin. All three of these substances are naturally occurring in the body, but our investigation has shown no record of this combination in the medical litterature. The soft tissues adjacent to the metallic objects underwent analysis, and the findings demonstrated conglomerations of nerve cells and a total lack of inflammatory response'. About the non-metallic objects: 'Three of the surgeries consisted of the removal of a skin lesion with an attached small BB-sized, greyish-white round ball in the underlying soft tissue. We found solar elastosis, clusters of nerve cells, and either minimal or no inflammation present'. The skin lesion were of the 'scoop-mark' kind. Dr Leir then lists a series of biological findings, among which: - All objects were obtained from the left sides of the bodies. - Almost all of the specimens fluoresced under ultraviolet black light. - All subjects showed abnormal reactions to procaine local anesthetics (no reactions, or allergic reactions). - All had a compulsion to absorbe a lot of salt. In addition to that, it is to be noted that all appeared 'normal' according to a PhD psychologist. 2) Metallurgical findings The main findings being on the internet (see links above, and my previous messages on this List, of September 1 and 5), I will just quote Dr Leir's book, about an interesting description of the T-shaped object (in Patricia's foot): 'The T-shaped object is composed of two small metallic rods. The horizontal portion contains a magnetic iron core that is harder than the finest carbide steel. A complex layer of elements covers the core, forming a cladding. One portion of this cladding has a cristalline band, which circles the rod. When viewing this rod, as seen in the electronphotomicrograph, it appears to be structured. One end is in the shape of a barb while the opposite end is flat. In the center is a small depression. The shape of this depression conforms exactly to the shape of one end of the vertical rod. The vertical rod contains a similar cladding, but the core is composed of carbon instead or iron and it is magnetoconductive, but not magnetic'. There are other interesting findings, but it would be too long to list them all. At least should be mentioned electromagnetic properties, notably on Tim Cullen's implant, when the object was still in place in the body. Dr Leir was assisted in this area by electronic engineer Bob Beckwith, and Greg Avery, Mufon state director for Mouisiana. First, with a simple Gaussmeter, they found a 6 milligauss reading. Then, in spite of some difficulties, they were able to detect 'a pulse reading', which 'showed there was a signal being generated and one being received by the object' (see Mufon 2001 Proceedings, p. 194). According to Dr Leir, further studies were done "by another world-class laboratory in Texas", which revealed that the main elemental component was iron, and, although it was amorphous, they were amazed to find that it was highly magnetic. They explained to Leir that "we have no such process for accomplishing this feat". The UFO connection Eve Frances Lorgen has interviewed five of the persons subjected to surgeries, and she found that "All persons, one male and four females, shared one thing in common: UFO encounters And Contact With Non-Human Alien Beings (MUFON Journal, Nov. 1998). The two more recent cases fall in that category as well. Tim Cullen had a close encounter in 1978, when travelling in his car with his wife. He talked about it only twenty years later when he felt his children were old enough to hear about it. I met him and found him very credible. To conclude this short summary, I suggest that all readers of this List should not to reject this research without serious study. Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 From: Loren Coleman <lcolema1@maine.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:51:39 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:53:19 -0400 Subject: Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 http://www.lorencoleman.com/Flatwoods.html Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 For more information about the 1952 Monster sighting, see 'Chapter 1: Flatwoods', in Mothman and Other Curious Encounters (NY: Paraview, 2002): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1931044341/mothmanbooks-20 Stanton T. Friedman, ufologist, will be the honorary guest lecturer at this years Flatwoods Monster 50th Anniversary Event. Mr. Friedman will accompany author Frank Feschino for the three day festival in Flatwoods W.V. Mr. Friedman will lecture about the government cover-up of UFO crashes, stemming from the 1947 Roswell NM. incident to the Flatwoods Monster Incident of 1952. This year marks the 50th anniversary of the Flatwoods Monster Incident which occurred on September 12, 1952. The town of Flatwoods and Mayor Clise have scheduled a three day special event festival to commemorate the arrival of the mysterious visitor that landed in their town. The festival will take place within the town limits and rotate around the Flatwoods Monster Museum. To celebrate this historical UFO Incident, Mayor Clise has invited some very special guests who will be in attendance to meet the public. Scheduled to appear will be primary witness, Mrs. Kathleen May who sighted the monster from a distance of a mere few feet. Her son Fred May who saw both the monster and it's craft in flight will also be present. Joining these two key witnesses will be author/Illustrator Frank Feschino Jr. who worked closely for many years with these eyewitnesses while writing his book. Feschino will exhibit some of his 10 years worth of research material he used in his investigation, at the Flatwoods Monster Museum. He will also have an exhibit of some of his original fine art illustrations depicting scenes from this Incident. Feschino will also display a life size to scale, 12 foot tall canvas painting of the Flatwoods Monster. These highly rendered paintings will make their debut exhibit appearances to the public for this special three day festival. Mayor Clise and the town of Flatwoods will be holding several special Monsterous events for the whole family to enjoy during this 50th anniversary festival on September 12-13-14. No where else will the public actually meet the people involved with this infamous story and see the research and illustrations for the up-coming book- except in FLATWOODS HOME OF THE GREEN MONSTER. Updates will be posted for times and days of special events. Visit Beautiful Flatwoods, A Small Town With A Big Secret. Three Day Calendar Of Events Thursday Sept. 12, 2002 * Flatwoods Monster Museum opens at 1:00pm until 9:00pm. Free Admission. * Meet and greet Mr. Feschino and Mr. Friedman at the Museum from 2:00pm until closing. Open discussion. * Author/Illustrator Frank Feschino Jr. will have a Special Signed Limited- Edition Poster Print of the Flatwoods Monster available. * Scientist/Author, Stanton T. Friedman will have his books, and recent UFO CD Rom available at Discount Rates. * AUTOGRAPHS upon request. * At 7:30pm a Special Gathering will take place on the Flatwoods School playground. This will commemorate the time the Flatwoods Monster Ship passed over Flatwoods and landed. Come join us. http://www.lorencoleman.com/Flatwoods.html FRIDAY SEPT. 13th 2002 *Museum opens at 10:00am. Free Admission. *Special Eyewitness guests Kathleen May and Fred May will meet and greet the public at the Museum throught the day, beginning at 11:00 am. *Feschino and Friedman will be present at the Museum throughout the day to speak with the inquiring public. * Stanton T. Friedman UFO LECTURE. 2:00 pm. * Friedman and Feschino will have a question and answer session following the lecture. * Flatwoods Monster Remembrance and Flatwoods Town 100Th Anniversary Incorporation Party, Friday night. Festivities will be located at the center of town. SATURDAY Sept. 14, 2002 * Museum opens at 10:00 am. Free Admission * Flatwoods Fall Festival Parade begins at 11:00 am. Parade will include Monster floats, and Flatwoods Centennial floats. * A West Virginia Festival is not complete until you've had a good home-cooked meal. Dinner bell will ring at 11:30 am at the Community Center near museum * Copen Cabana D.J. Dance 5:00 pm until 9:00 pm Flatwoods. Details; www.knowareland.com * Honorary Guests Kathleen May and Fred May, will appear at the museum, after the parade. * Stanton T. Friedman lecture at the museum at 2:00 pm. Open discussion and Photo Session to follow lecture. ** THERE WILL BE CHILDRENS ACTIVITIES, FOOD AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, ALL THREE DAYS.** DIRECTIONS TO FLATWOODS WV.: Flatwoods is the geographical center of West Virginia. Located half-way between the Morgantown and Charleston corridors. Flatwoods is located along major Interstate-79 at exit 67- Flatwoods exit and two minutes to the town limits and festival. Several nearby accomodations include; Hotels, bed and breakfast and camping . Look for the town sign WELCOME TO FLATWOODS - HOME OF THE GREEN MONSTER! AREA MAJOR AIRPORTS: Yeager Airport- Located in the capitol city of Charleston. 67 miles south of Flatwoods. Benedun Airport- Located in Clarksburg. 60 miles north of Flatwoods. http://www.lorencoleman.com/Flatwoods.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Maccabee From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:31:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:38:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Ballad of 9-11 - Maccabee >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:25:09 -0400 >Subject: Re: Ballad of 9-11 >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Ballad of 9-11 >>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:58:57 -0400 >>Unrelated to UFOs but pertinent to the upcoming aniversary, I >>wrote a song/poem to commemorate 9-11. >>It is posted along with other songs at the Flight 93 website: >>www.shanksvillememorial.com >>click on Flight 93 songs and look for Ballad of 9-11. >Hi Bruce, >I played your song on my guitar. It's a sweet and poignant >sounding tune. That combination of minor and major chords when >properly arranged, has the power to pluck at the heart-strings. >I especially liked the lyrics. Yes, those heroic people >represent what is best in humanity. Wow!. Thanks for the comments. I wonder what your version of the tune sounded like as compared to my version (using the same chords). I made a recording and have written the music out. If you want a copy of the "printed version" (by hand) send private email. Maybe you could record your version and then we can compare..... two musicians given the same set of chords, what do they come up with?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:00:16 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:42:13 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:40:31 +0200 >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:20:38 +0200 >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:09:59 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants <snip> Hi Gildas, You wrote: >To conclude this short summary, I suggest that all readers of >this List should not to reject this research without serious >study. I hope that you (and the List readers) don't think that I was implying that any of the research performed thus far should be rejected. My comments were aimed at the lack of published results by the principles involved. Something that they promised from the start and the lack of which you yourself acknowledge (above) as being sorely missing. It seems to me that there is enough material to justify publication in a medical peer review journal. They should at least put out a 'white paper' on the findings thus far. I also resent the fact that the _only_ place that anything comprehensive or in the nature of an overview has been published is in Leir's own book. Thank you for the updates and links. Informative and compelling. I am left to wonder how much longer it is going to take before more resources and trained minds are applied to the problem of UFO abductions. A 'rant' if I may... People are being kidnapped and messed with (implanted) wholesale. This is not just a matter for the scientists - but one for the police and security services as well. If I wasn't firmly convinced that I would end up strapped to a bed at the laughing academy, I would have reported this to the police, FBI, or to the CIA long ago. These organizations exist to insure the security of our nation and to protect the public from harm. Foreign or domestic. I would love to be able to take advantage of the protection I _pay_ for through my hard earned tax dollars. The 'hang-up' is... I wouldn't be taken seriously by any one of them. Catch 22. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Tough situation for the abductees. _Nobody_ to turn to for help. I was lucky. My own search for information, answers and assistance led me here - and to a few people that have given enough of themselves to help save me from a private Hell of self-doubt and possible and permanent insanity/ instability. Something structured needs to be set up to deal with and to help the many thousands of perfectly ordinary family people that are reporting their own UFO abduction events. Warmest regards, and thanx again for an excellent and informative 'implant' update post. With your permission I would like to post it to the AIC website so that all visitors can further investigate this urgent and compelling subject for themselves. Here's waiting for the day..... John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Buzz Socks Skeptic From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:55 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:44:14 -0400 Subject: Buzz Socks Skeptic Buzz Socks Skeptic Moon landing astronaut Buzz Aldrin landed a solid left hook to the face area of a moon-landing skeptic that 'ambushed' him with questions and a video camera at some unidentified exterior location, as reported on Good Day LIVE this afternoon on Warner Brothers' Channel 11 on Insight Cable in Northern Kentucky. It seems that this dispute is quite recent. The physical exchange may have happened at a downtown hotel somewhere near California, possibly, although I did not catch the location of the altercation. The "landing" was caught on video and played repeatedly in slow motion on the Good Day LIVE telecast around NOON on Tuesday, September 10. It was said that Aldrin tried to avoid the skeptic and the cameras that were following him around, and became upset at the ambush. The skeptic was dealt a powerful blow to the face area courtesy of the elderly Aldrin, possibly in his 70s. Aldrin did appear to exhibit some fluent combat techniques in his address to the skeptic. Buzz to skeptic: "Buzz off!" Report by Kenny Young -- NOTE: The 39th Annual NATIONAL UFO CONFERENCE is coming to Cincinnati, Ohio on Saturday, September 28, 2002. Speakers for the conference will include John Timmerman of CUFOS, Jim Moseley of Saucer Smear, Abduction Implant Removal Specialist Derrell Simms and Congressional Candidate Stephen Bassett of the Paradigm Research Group. Check the website at: http://home.fuse.net/ufo for more information or call the UFO hotline at 513-588-4548. Advance Tickets are available, for info send email to: ufo@fuse.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Secrecy News -- 09/10/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:32:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:47:51 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/10/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 88 September 10, 2002 ** FISA OVERSIGHT ** A NEW PFIAB MEMBER ** GERTZ ON INTELLIGENCE ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS FISA OVERSIGHT The Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing September 10 on oversight of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), the 1978 law governing electronic surveillance and physical search of persons suspected of engaging in foreign intelligence or international terrorism within the United States. The hearing followed the release last month of an extraordinary secret court ruling that rejected the government's interpretation of the law's provisions, as modified by the USA Patriot Act. A Justice Department appeal of that ruling was heard behind closed doors on September 9 by a secret appeals court, which had never had occasion to meet before. "Over the last two decades the FISA process has occurred largely in secret," said Sen. Patrick Leahy at the hearing. "Clearly, specific investigations must be kept secret, but even the basic facts about the FISA process have been resistant to sunlight.... Even the most general information on FISA surveillance, including how often FISA surveillance targets American citizens, or how often FISA surveillance is used in a criminal cases, is unknown to the public." In support of the oversight function, Senator Leahy said that he, Senator Specter and Senator Grassley had written to the FISA appeals court to request an unclassified copy of the September 9 oral argument before the court as well as its pending ruling. The September 10 Judiciary Committee hearing offered thoughtful testimony about the original intent of the FISA, its recent modifications, and possible reforms. The witnesses' prepared statements are posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/index.html A complete set of FISA Annual Reports since 1979, noting the volume of surveillance and search activity, is posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/index.html#rept A NEW PFIAB MEMBER President Bush announced the appointment of William Brody as the newest member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the White House body that advises on intelligence policy and performance. Brody is President of Johns Hopkins University. See the September 5 White House announcement here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020905-2.html Following some embarrassing publicity, PFIAB has stopped making the spurious claim that the names of its members are confidential and are only available on a need-to-know basis. (See "PFIAB Plays Secrecy Games," Secrecy News, August 15). The executive director of PFIAB, Mr. Randy Deitering, said this claim was "bad information" and apologized to David Corn of The Nation for it. See the Update (at the bottom of the page) to Corn's earlier story: http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=97 GERTZ ON INTELLIGENCE "Breakdown: How America's Intelligence Failures Led to September 11" is Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz's latest book project. According to the publisher's promotional material, "Gertz explains how the September 11 terrorist attacks were the result of a massive breakdown in the U.S. intelligence gathering system that places high-tech gimmickry and back-stabbing bureaucrats above field work and human intelligence." "The intelligence bureaucracy is broken and urgently in need of repair," Gertz writes: "From a secrecy policy point of view, "Breakdown" is distinguished by Gertz's trademark inclusion of some 40 pages of partially redacted classified documents that he obtained without authorization." For further information on "Breakdown" by Bill Gertz, see: http://www.regnery.com/regnery/020822_breakdown.html Secrecy News welcomes review copies of new books on intelligence and national security policy, and good books on any subject. SECRECY IN THE NEWS The cumulative growth of official secrecy over the past year is discussed by Jeffrey Benner in the October issue of Reason. He notes, however, that "The Bush administration's sustained assault on transparency in government dates from the second month of Bush's term." See his article "Closing the Books: Open government after 9/11" here: http://reason.com/0210/fe.jb.closing.shtml Notra Trulock, the former Energy Department official who came to public awareness as one of the principal accusers of former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee, now says he identifies with Lee as a fellow victim of the FBI. "[Steven] Hatfill is hardly the first to receive 'justice FBI style'," writes Mr. Trulock. "[Richard] Jewell, Wen Ho Lee and I all got similar treatment." See his September 5 commentary here: http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Notra_Trulock.shtml A series of letters from the attorney of Steven Hatfill, the anthrax investigation "person of interest," documenting his unsuccessful efforts to get his side of the story published in the New York Times are made available in "From the Mixed-Up Files of Mr. Steven J. Hatfill" on The Weekly Standard web site here: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/635claif.asp _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Cold Fusion Papers Available From: Terry Blanton <blantont@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:54:09 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:49:22 -0400 Subject: Cold Fusion Papers Available <><><><><><><><><> Cold Fusion (or Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, LENR) is of common interest to many participants on this list. There is now a web site with many CF papers previously unavailable to the general public at: http://LENR.org/ Most papers come from the International Conferences on Cold Fusion (ICCF) and are posted with that organization's approval. Others come directly from the authors with their blessings. Since posting the papers about three weeks ago, the site has had over 4,000 downloads of the documents. How anyone can read these works and not believe that LENR do occur is beyond my conception. Regards, Terry Blanton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 Mystery Object J002E3 From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:56:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:53:04 -0400 Subject: Mystery Object J002E3 ================================================================== This Is SKY & TELESCOPE's AstroAlert for Minor Planets ================================================================== MYSTERY OBJECT Since September 5th, the Minor Planet Mailing List (MPML) has been abuzz with speculation about an unidentified 16th- magnitude object. During the next 10 days the object will be moving rapidly across Aries and then Taurus, passing between the Pleiades and Hyades star clusters. Bill Yeung discovered the object September 3rd in CCD images taken with an 0.45-meter telescope in Benson, Arizona. The fast- mover was "auto detected" when he analyzed his images with DC-3 Dreams' PinPoint software. Yeung e-mailed the positions to the Minor Planet Center (MPC) in Cambridge, Massachusetts http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html which quickly posted the object on its Near-Earth Object Confirmation Page under the temporary designation J002E3. But within a few days the MPC removed the object from that listing; preliminary orbit calculations suggested it was traveling in a large, 50-day orbit around the Earth, not the Sun. It had all the earmarks of being a spent rocket casing or other piece of "space junk" instead of a true minor planet. But what exactly is it? Efforts by Tony Beresford in Australia and other satellite experts have failed to match this object with any known artificial satellite. Photometric measurements by Peter Kusnirak in the Czech Republic failed to show much variation in brightness, as would be expected of a small metallic object, especially if cylindrical. But the big question is, if it is really in Earth orbit, why has it not been detected before? In Yeung's words, 16th magnitude should have made it "a piece of cake" for survey telescopes like LINEAR and NEAT, or for CCD-equipped amateur instruments, to locate long ago. Finally, late on September 9th, Paul Chodas (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) weighed in with this posting to the MPML: "The unusual object J002E3, formerly on the Minor Planet Center NEO confirmation page, has been loaded into our Horizons system so that interested observers can generate ephemerides.... Further observations of the object are highly desirable to help characterize the nature of the object: we will update our orbit solution as they become available. "Telnet and email users of Horizons can access this object by typing 'J002E3'. Web users of Horizons can access the object by going to the Major Body Menu, selecting the Spacecraft list, and choosing the entry 'J002E3 Spacecraft (UNCONFIRMED)'. The available time span is currently August 1 through December 1, 2002. The telnet address of Horizons is telnet://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov:6775/ and the web address is http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/eph " For the full text, or to subscribe to the Minor Planet Mailing List, please visit these URLs: MPML Home Page: http://www.bitnik.com/mp MPML FAQ: http://www.bitnik.com/mp/MPML-FAQ.html MPML's Yahoogroups page: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/mpml Amateurs who are experienced in astrometry should have no trouble recording this mystery object with CCD-equipped 8-inch and larger telescopes. Measurements should be sent both to Chodas (paul.chodas@jpl.nasa.gov) and to the Minor Planet Center (mpc@cfa.harvard.edu) using the standard reporting format. We don't provide an ephemeris in this AstroAlert because, like 2002 NY40 a few weeks ago, J002E3 has a very large topocentric parallax. You'll need to enter your own observatory code, or a latitude and longitude, into HORIZONS to obtain accurate predictions for your location. Roger W. Sinnott Senior Editor Sky & Telescope ================================================================== AstroAlert is a free service of SKY & TELESCOPE, the Essential Magazine of Astronomy (http://SkyandTelescope.com/). This e-mail was sent to AstroAlert subscribers. If you feel you received it in error, or to unsubscribe from AstroAlert, please send a plain- text e-mail to majordomo@SkyandTelescope.com with the following line -- and nothing else -- in the body of the message: unsubscribe asteroid e-mail@address.com replacing "e-mail@address.com" with your actual e-mail address. ==================================================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 10 The Oddities Of People's Beliefs From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:45:16 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:45:16 -0400 Subject: The Oddities Of People's Beliefs Source: Question - Serving Whistler & Pemberton British Columbia http://www.whistlerquestion.com/madison%5CWQuestion.nsf/WQeditorial/EC8D7DE1= 0A5F15AD88256C2B006FEBBF?OpenDocument The oddities of people's beliefs OFF THE RECORD By Steven Hill Reporter What people sometimes believe amazes me. I'm not talking about the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, either, because those are things everyone knows are not real, but will still foster a child's belief in them to preserve, or perhaps prolong, the magic of childhood. What amazes me, and often dismays me as well, are the weirdo things that the masses actually hold to be true. Some of them are urban myths, such as the one that says casinos in Las Vegas pump oxygen onto their gaming floors to keep patrons from heading off to bed (that's one of about 100 different casino myths out there that people generally believe), or a more well-known bit of falsehood =97 the dreaded "Pomme de Terror," or the Halloween myth of razor blades in the apples. Sorry to deflate anyone's bubble of belief, but there has never, and I do mean never, been a case of a child receiving a razor- laden apple from a stranger on Halloween. It is a complete myth, perhaps based on the case of a young boy who gave his own brother suc h an apple as a prank (although that, too, may just be a distortion of the original myth. See how it works?). Now, that doesn't mean you should let junior eat anything a stranger gives him on Halloween. It just means you shouldn't believe everything you hear, read, or for that matter, see. For instance, how many times have we seen it written or heard someone say that we only use 10 per cent of our brains? Perhaps people who believe that, use only that much, but for the rest of us, we use it all. Brain scans show that we use all of our brain functions, and not only part. That myth was propagated by people out to prove the veracity of paranormal and psychic powers. But those are just a few simple urban myths (which you can find, along with a myriad other de-bunked beliefs on www.snopes.com). But there are other things circulating in the minds of intelligent people that aren't quite so easy to accept. From alien abductions and crop circles, to healing crystals and the Loch Ness Monster, one person's firmly held belief is another's reason to have them come to take you away (ha-ha, he- he). I suppose we all have our own personal and eccentric beliefs. For me, I believe in the Underpants Fairy, who magically and miraculously takes my dirty unmentionables from the floor, and transforms them into clean and folded mentionables in my top drawer. You wouldn't believe the way my wife stares at me when I reveal that bit of information to her. Honestly. But, I digress. People who study these kinds of odd beliefs say that being exposed to these weird ideas helps people develop logical thinking, by learning to recognize supposed "facts" that could be suspect. Imagine if people learned to think logically from an earlier age, and began questioning more than just their local neighbourhood used car salesman? People would soon stop believing in absurd things such as Bigfoot, little green men, war (even for revenge), politicians' promises, and the Olympics as a community benefit. But, belief is such a subjective thing. As comedian George Carlin said, "You can say there are a billion stars in the night sky, and people will believe you without even blinking an eye, but say you just painted a wall, and someone's going to touch it, just to make sure." ----- Thanks [we think!] to http://www.anomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Skeptic Says Buzz Aldrin Attacked Him From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:40:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:40:49 -0400 Subject: Skeptic Says Buzz Aldrin Attacked Him http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/buzz020910_attack.html A Punch In The Face Lunar Landing Skeptic Says Buzz Aldrin Attacked Him B E V E R L Y H I L L S, Calif., Sept. 10 =97 Detectives are investigating a complaint that retired astronaut Buzz Aldrin punched a man in the face after being asked to swear on a Bible that he had been to the moon. Officers were called on Monday to the Luxe Hotel on Rodeo Drive and took a report from Bart Sibrel, 37, who said he was attacked by the former Apollo 11 astronaut. Aldrin, 72, had left the hotel when police arrived about 4:30 p.m. and was not interviewed, said Beverly Hills Police Lt. Joe Lombardi. Sibrel, of Nashville, Tenn., said he does not believe Aldrin or anyone else has ever walked on the moon. He said he was trying to confront Aldrin about his 1969 lunar mission when he was punched. The incident was videotaped, he said. An early morning telephone call left at the office of Aldrin's publicist was not immediately returned.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:45:05 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:42:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:55 -0700 >Subject: Buzz Socks Skeptic >Buzz Socks Skeptic >Moon landing astronaut Buzz Aldrin landed a solid left hook to >the face area of a moon-landing skeptic that 'ambushed' him <snip> Attaboy, Buzz. Get that rude ol "skeptic". Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:35:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:46:47 -0400 Subject: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Received this one from www.majesticdocuments.com Stig *** Officially Released Documents Confirm The Contents Of The Majestic 12 First Annual Report BROOMFIELD, Colorado, 9 September 2002. The Majestic Documents investigation team has just posted five new documents to the website that support the authenticity of the ?Majestic 12 First Annual Report.? The entire contents of the ?First Annual Report? can be downloaded at: http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/1948-1959.html 1. Important documentation has surfaced at the Public Record Office, Kew, England, that validates information contained within Entry 7, Annex C of the First Annual Report. The entry refers to an incident that allegedly occurred on 14 October 1943 when a number of Foo Fighters were seen during 8th AF Mission 115 over Schweinfurt, Germany. The validity of this incident was for many years questioned by numerous researchers and investigators, as the official records on the case could not be found. However, they have now been located in the U.K. by British author and researcher Andy Roberts. The British Royal Air Force document on the incident acquired by Roberts confirms the facts in the Annex C, Entry 7 account as related in the First Annual Report. Nick Redfern?s paper on this new revelation, ?Validating the First Annual Report: An Important Development,? can be downloaded from a new section of the site: British Public Record Office. http://209.132.68.98/authentication/archives/pdf/validating1stannualreport.pdf 2. Also available in the new British Public Record Office section of the website is an official British Ministry of Defense document on what is perhaps the most controversial entry contained within the ?Majestic Twelve First Annual Report?: the linkage between UFOs and biological warfare research. Entry F in the First Annual Report states: Biological Warfare Programs BW programs in U.S. and U.K. are in field test stages. Discovery of new virus and bacteria agents so lethal, that serums derived by genetic research, can launch medical science into unheard of fields of biology. The samples extracted from bodies found in New Mexico, have yielded new strains of a retro-virus not totally understood, but give promise of the ultimate BW weapon. The danger lies in the spread of airborne and bloodborne outbreaks of disease in large populations, with no medical cures available.? Until the time that the ?First Annual Report? surfaced, there was no official or unofficial documentation in the public domain that made a connection between UFOs and biological warfare. However, a document has surfaced officially at the Public Record Office, Kew, England, that also makes a connection with UFOs and biological warfare. The document is one- page in length and is dated 6 May 1950. It is a memo for the attention of the British Ministry of Defense?s Scientific and Technical Intelligence Branch and is titled Subject: Bacteriological Warfare Article. As this document makes clear and as can now be verified officially, there were sources within the British Ministry of Defense in the early 1950?s that were interested in both bacteriological warfare and UFOs. Not only that: reports on both subjects were being sent to the MoD?s Scientific and Technical Intelligence Branch under cover of the same memoranda. The document can be downloaded at: http://209.132.68.98/authentication/archives/pdf/british-biowarufos.pdf 3. Of the many and varied entries contained within the ?First Annual Report,? Point 6 of Annex C is certainly one of the most intriguing and refers to an incident that occurred at Maury Island, Washington State in June 1947. According to a local resident, Harold Dahl, a UFO was seen to malfunction over the harbor and spewed a large amount of unidentified debris into the water. Dahl, his son and two colleagues collected the debris and showed it to Dahl?s boss, Fred Crisman. The story was passed on to Ray Palmer, a magazine publisher, who subsequently arranged for Kenneth Arnold (the pilot whose 24 June 1947 sighting was largely responsible for the coining of the term Flying Saucer) to interview Dahl and Crisman. Following the publicity that the case attracted, two Army A-2 intelligence personnel from Hamilton Field (a Captain Davidson and a Lieutenant Brown) arrived at Maury Island on 31 July 1947. They interviewed Dahl and Crisman and flew back to Hamilton Field on the next day with some of the disc fragments on board. However, on the journey back, their aircraft caught fire, crashed and Davidson and Brown were killed. Supposedly, the disc fragments were never recovered. Speculation has existed ever since the events in question that the aircraft was sabotaged to prevent Davidson and Brown from reaching their destination. There is also much speculation surrounding Crisman, and rumors suggest that he was not an innocent party in the affair and was linked with the world of intelligence and may have been tied to the wartime Office of Strategic Services. Below is the relevant extract from the First Annual Report: The death of two Air Force counterintelligence officers in the crash of their B-25 aircraft enroute to Hamilton AFB, California, after interviewing two auxiliary CG men who reported six UFOs over Maury Island, Washington, in June 1947. CIC agent Crisman had spoken to Kenneth Arnold, who on 26 June 1947, had reported a flight of UFOs over Mt. Rainier, Washington, and filed his report after he had spoken to Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown. The material given to Davidson and Brown was believed to come from Maury Island and may be celestial fragments containing metal from a nuclear reactor from a UFO. Fragments were turned over to CIA agent Shaw, and Crisman was ordered to the Alaskan ADC for assignment in Project IVY. In our ongoing validation project, we have posted in the Personnel section of the website the FBI?s officially released file on Fred Crisman and the Maury Island incident ? all of which combined reveal a wealth of information on the events in question and on the life of Fred Crisman. More importantly, the data backs up that contained within the ?First Annual Report.? The file is forty pages in length and contains: (a) an August 1947 employment application that Crisman made for a position with the Atomic Energy Commission; (b) information on Crisman?s wartime work in the U.S. military; (c) his post-war employment; (d) his relationship with Harold Dahl who was the prime witness to the UFO incident; (e) the recovery of the unidentified debris at Maury Island; (f) Kenneth Arnold?s involvement in the case; (g) the media coverage of the events in question; and (h) the involvement of Davidson and Brown and the mysterious crash of their aircraft that resulted in their deaths and the loss of the debris. The FBI file can be downloaded at: http://www.majesticdocuments.com/personnel/crisman.html 4. Furthermore, we have posted to the FOIA section of the website three pages of officially released documentation that confirms the data contained in Annex C, Entry 10 of the First Annual Report. The relevant section of the Report reads thus: On 24 April 1949, engineers and technicians from the White Sands Proving Ground observed a elliptically-shaped object moving in an eastward course at very high altitude. The object was discovered while tracking a Skyhook balloon through a theodolite. The object appeared whitish in color and pale yellow at the tale end. The object was estimated to be two-and-a-half times as long as it was wide. It was difficult to see any structure of the object, as it was moving at a very high speed. The object was observed through a theodolite for approximately one minute before disappearing in a steep climb. The object was estimated to be traveling at an altitude of over 60 miles. The three pages of documentation that we have posted were found in the official UFO records of the Air Force?s Office of Special Investigations at the National Archives and Records Administration, Maryland. They are: (a) a one-page report on the case and (b) a two-page witness statement attesting to the reality of the event. http://209.132.68.98/authentication/archives/pdf/usaf-objectreport_24april49.pdf 5. Posted to Theodore Von Karman?s MJ12 Personnel Page of the website is a four-page document on one of the most important players in the MJ12 story: Dr. Theodore von Karman, Secretary of the Scientific Advisory Board, USAF, whose name appears in both the ?First Annual Report? and the ?White Hot? document. Included here is a document found in the files of the U.S. Air Force?s Office of Special Investigations at the National Archives and Records Administration at Maryland. The document is dated 12 May 1949 and is titled ?UNKNOWN (Aerial Phenomena), Review Reports? and concerns a 27-28 April 1949 meeting at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, where Dr. Joseph Kaplan of the Air Force?s Scientific Advisory Board reviewed official reports of unexplained aerial phenomena. Interestingly, the document reveals, Dr. Kaplan had been ordered to conduct the review by none other than Dr. Theodore von Karman. This demonstrates a clear and undeniable official link between von Karman and UFOs. The document also refers to the involvement in this issue on the part of the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project. The AFSWP is referred to in the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary as having secured the site of a UFO crash in July 1947 at Oscura Peak, New Mexico. http://209.132.68.98/personnel/pdf/vonkarman-ufolink12may49.pdf We encourage you to explore our website, our documents, products and efforts. We welcome comments and suggestions and especially intelligence about Majestic?s history or current activities. R Y A N S W O O D & N I C K R E F E R N Majestic Document Investigators For More Information Contact: Ryan S. Wood 720-887-8171 Email: rswood@majesticdocuments.com Or mail to: 14004 Quail Ridge Drive, Broomfield, CO 80020
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: YoungBob2@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:40:53 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:48:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:07:30 +0000 >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >>before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >>When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >>time, and they sure want to be seen. >Bob, >Don't you think we could tell a fireball when we see one? Tom: I was talking about a fire balloon. >Hell, with all those video cameras, telescopes, and scanners I think >we'd solve it before 30 sightings came along. Not to mention >nobody's house ever burned down after a Bubba sighting, Never heard of any houses being burned down by little fire balloons, have you? >nor was a fireballoon found. Maybe those who are launching them know where to look and get there first. Keep looking. Here at Harrisburg, back in '67, there were at least 60 launched, causing UFO reports almost nightly, until a bunch of high school kids with a car finally chased one and recovered it. Took months. Another was found when photographed by an all-sky camera of the University of Colorado's UFO investigators. (See Case 27 of the Colorado Project at: http://www.ncas.org/condon/). >Not to mention "the fireballoon" ejects smaller white objects >"smaller white fire balloons" that fly around it. The so-called >fireball also pulses rapidly, Maybe they've got a little flashing light on it. >much too fast for fire to create, when the "fire balloon" suddenly >increases its speed by a factor >of 5 or more. You mean from drifting at maybe a foot/sec away from you to at right angles? Not unusual in changing winds at low altitudes. >Why don't you try making your own fireballs and releasing it 30 >times right in the path of landing commercial aircraft. I wouldn't try such a dangerous and I'm sure illegal experiment. Which may be why you can't find out who's doing it. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:07:27 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:06:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Young >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:30:35 +1000 >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:12:42 EDT >>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >>>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday <snip> >>>Today I sat watching the position where we saw the object/s a >>>week ago. I arrived at 12:30 & departed at 13:30. This gives >>>approximately 30 minutes before and after the sighting time last >>>Saturday. >Bob, you seem to be confused! :) >Firstly that pic I linked was merely an example of the form or >profile of the object, as my mind recalled it from the brief >glimpses I snatched whilst driving. Dave: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the picture you posted was - fabricated. >Secondly, on both days the sightings occurred at 13:00 hours, or >1 PM in layman's terms. A bright, sunny day with not a star in >sight! Thanks for adding "PM". I guessed I missed that. It's strange because the picture seemed to show four bright objects against a dark sky. Oh, well. >Thirdly, it was approximately the width of my thumb held at arms >length and even though I have rather small hands, I've never >seen a star even close to that big! I'll add that I've never >seen an elliptical star either! With or without eyeglasses? >Did you actually read my posts on this?, or are you just "taking >the piss", as my pommie mates would say! :) Well, when you post a picture you created of lights against a dark sky which, look like they are shinging through clouds, then say they were really oval, it's really hard to tell. How far apart were the lights? Thumbs or what?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:17:33 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:09:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia - Gates >From: Chaz Stuart <Daydisk2@webtv.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:31:24 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Hoagland Finds City Under Cydonia >..... but only if the original data is real. Big controversy. >www.enterprisemission.com Here we go. Laney gets an alleged tip allegedly from a person claiming to be Gorelick at ASU. This person allegedly downloads a photo from the web site. Apparently nobody has seen that alleged photo before or since. Said person allegedly admits that they manipulated the photo _before_ passing it on to Hoagland. Apparently Hoagland is not concerned with a dubious chain of evidence that can't truly be verified, but ends up going public and puts the photo..allegedly manipulated by them to draw out the details. Keep in mind that Hoagland's insiders told us such tales as ET landing on a Arizona mountaintop in Dec of 2000 and others. Bottom line here is where it stands: We have no independent proof the photo was actually downloaded from the ASU site. Even if it was actually "downloaded" from the ASU site, we have no proof the photo is in fact "real." Naturally this instantly gives the photo "credibility" in some crowds. Me, I wouldn't have gone public with it... until alot more loose ends and details were fully investigated. However many people, as soon as some person plops something into their lap will go public, then probably get on the Art Bell show or something like that. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Italian UFO Newsflash No. 366 From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@libero.it> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:20:21 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:31:25 -0400 Subject: Italian UFO Newsflash No. 366 ITALIAN UFO NEWSFLASH ISSUE NO. 366 - 5 SEPTEMBER 2002 by the Italian Center for UFO Studies (Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici, CISU) Contents: - A Wealth Of UFO News During August - A Psychiatric Syndrome For Alien Abductions A WEALTH OF UFO NEWS DURING AUGUST As expected, the month of August also saw an increase in UFO news coverage in the Italian mass media, raising the number of published reports up to the mean level of previous years, after a sluggish spring. In fact, the number of UFO clippings taken from Italian newspapers and gathered for the Italian Center for UFO Studies (CISU) by the 'L=92Eco della Stampa' service over the past month have totaled 89: more than double the average number collected during the first half of the year. Of particular note among the news reports: the alleged UFO filmed on the occasion of the air disaster in the Ukraine; the publicity launch for the new film 'Signs' concerning crop circles; American F-16's scrambled to the flying object detected by radar over Washington; the spectacular new 'drawings' of the alien outlined in the English crop; and the mysterious 'monster' attacking people in India; not to mention not a few local sightings and news reports. The usual monthly recap and statistical data on the UFO phenomena sightings in Italy during August, will be made available by the CISU next week. [Collaboration by Gian Paolo Grassino] A PSYCHIATRIC SYNDROME FOR ALIEN ABDUCTIONS According to a study by the University of London published in the 'Cognitive Neuropsychiatry' journal, the witnessing of flying saucers, the meeting with aliens, and abduction for the purpose of space experiments, all are symptoms of a veritable psychiatric syndrome; and such witnesses present some characteristics linked to similar changes in cerebral function. At least this was the news as reported in some Italian dailies. [La Repubblica and Il Gazzettino, 11 August; UFO-Italia, 11 August; collaboration by Giancarlo D=92Alessandro and Gildo Persone'] In reality, the article says quite different things. The authors (Katharine Holden and Christopher French) limit themselves to an examination of four areas of the neurosciences in which the abduction experience could figure: sleep paralysis, false memories, fantas-prone personalities and some psychopathological disturbance. But the same article admits these to be but hypotheses uncorroborated by any particular piece of clinical information, and it simply suggests the necessity of further studies. [Cognitive Neuropsychiatry, August 2002; Socio-UFO, 11 through 15 August; collaboration by Roberto Labanti and Paolo Toselli] Collaborators on this edition were: Gian Paolo Grassino, Giancarlo D=92Alessandro, Roberto Labanti, Alessandro Lu=E8, Gildo Person=E8, Giuseppe Stilo and Paolo Toselli. - - - This is the English translation of UFOTEL, a free phone/Internet information service on UFOs edited weekly by Edoardo Russo for the Italian Center for UFO Studies (Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici), available in Italian by calling +39-011-545294, or by e-mail subscription, or on CISU website at http://www.arpnet.it/ufo/ultime.htm UFOTEL is a supplement to 'UFO - Rivista di informazione ufologica', published by the Italian Center for UFO Studies, registered at Tribunale di Torino, No. 3670, on 19 June 1986. Director: Giovanni Settimo. Publisher: Cooperativa UPIAR, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Turin, Italy Translated from Italian to English by: Gary J. Presto, Freelance IT-EN Translator/Proofreader 1123 Revere Beach Pky., # 12 Revere, MA 02151 USA Tel.: ++ 1.781.485.1683, Fax: ++ 1.781.485.1684 ICQ: 110502923, E-mail: gjpresto@mediaone.net Webpage: http://profiles.yahoo.com/italoman9 - - - (c) 2002 by: CISU, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Torino, Italia This newsletter (as a whole or in part) may be freely copied, photocopied, reproduced, stored, distributed and retrieved, at the only condition that Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici is reported as the source. You may get it directly via e-mail by subscribing (just send a blank message to: cisuflash-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) The CISU is a no-profit association whose aims are: - to promote the scientific study of UFO phenomena in Italy; - to help circulate information about UFO phenomena and studies; - to coordinate national activities of data collecting and studying. You may reach Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici: - by mail: CISU, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Torino, Italia - by phone: +39 (011) 30.78.63 (24 hours UFO Hotline) - by fax: +39 (011) 54.50.33 - by Internet e-mail: cisu@ufo.it - at the World Wide Web URL: http://www.cisu.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom - From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:45:47 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:33:14 -0400 Subject: Re: 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom - >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 06:45:54 +0200 >Subject: 'UFO' Falls Through Roof Of Couple's Bedroom >Source: Cape Times - South Africa >http://www.itechnology.co.za/index.php?click_id=126&art_id=ct20020905191126759 _1365465&set_id=1 >Stig >*** >Cape Times >UFO falls through roof of couple's bedroom >September 05 2002 at 07:11PM >** >Kuala Lumpur - A man and his wife who were cosily in bed at >their home had a rude shock on Wednesday night when a heavy >object came crashing through their bedroom ceiling, a news >report said on Thursday. >The pair were not injured, but police said the falling object >weighed about 3kg. >It bore a serial number 1 341, appeared warm and smelled of >burning rubber, reported Bernama news agency. >Police officer Che Sab Hanafiah said the object would be >analysed to establish what it was and where it had came from. > >"We cannot assume it came from an aeroplane until an >investigation is fully done," he added. - Sapa-DPA >** Hello Stig: I wish all UFOs would carry serial numbers, its so hard to keep track of them otherwise. Best - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:08 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:08 -0400 Subject: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported From Peter Davenport Director - National UFO Reporting Center UFOCenter.com 9-10-2 Occurred: 8/2/2002 17:30 (Entered as: 8/2/2002 5:30 Pm) Reported: 8/29/2002 2:56:17 PM 14:56 Posted: 9/6/2002 Location: Northumberland, PA Shape: Disk (NUFORC Note: We have contacted a local newspaper in Northumberland County, and the police officer who served as investigator of the case. The newspaper confirms that the incident occurred, although the police officer stated that the decedant's remains had been returned to the family, contrary to the claims made by some regarding this case. The official report will be released in late September, according to the police officer, and we will attempt to obtain a copy of it. --PD) I will be as brief as possible. A man named Todd Sees was abducted and murdered by aliens on Montour Ridge in Northumberland County near the town of Northumberland, Pa. This is a big sloppy coverup if there ever was one. Todd Sees, the victim, lived at the foot of Montour Ridge, a mountain stretching over 20 miles east. Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for pre-season deer. He told his wife that he would be home by noon. He rode his 4-wheeler up the powerline behind his home at a little after 5:00 in the morning. Noon came and no Todd. His wife and children became concerned. At 2:00 a search party was organized and local police, State police, paramedics, and 200 volunteers helped search for Todd Sees. The 4-wheeler was found on the top of the mountain near a powerline. Tracking dogs could find nothing to go on around the 4-wheeler. The search went on for 2 days and over 6 miles of mountain were covered from top to bottom. Todd had vanished without a trace. The 4-wheeler was - keep in mind - 2 miles from his home at the foot of the mountain. A pond a few hundred yards from the house was even searched by skin divers just so they overlooked nothing. Dogs were over the whole area constantly no results. No trace. Then, in the evening of the 2nd day, something white was spotted in a large, brushy area, 25 feet from the pond. Police and rescue workers spent 20 minutes cutting and hacking brush and small trees so they could reach what looked like a body. It was Todd Sees. He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated - not bloated. He was white. He had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain he was fully-dressed, boots, camo-vest, hat, socks, pants. The FBI showed up within 30 minutes (of Todd's discovery -ed). They took charge. They would not let his wife look at her dead husband - no matter how much she tried. The FBI asked questions around the area... neighbors, mostly farmers. 3 people, on one farm, said they saw a large round bright object just above the powerlines at the time of the disappearance. It was silent, it did not move for about 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up... and suddenly stopped. A light shone down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up, hesitated again, then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight. A police friend of mine said after 2 autopsies, nothing was found. A toxicology test revealed nothing. No visible cuts or bruises, anywhere, except from the brush. The body is now at Allentown, from there it is going to Fort Indiantown Gap, Pa. The wife was told she cannot have the body for 6 to 8 weeks. A boot was found a mile from the 4-wheeler, a few days ago, at the top of a tree. It was his. I notice military 'copters have been scouring the mountain ever since at least once a day. If you need additional info for verification on anything contact me. (name deleted) http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/S24698.html Occurred: 8/6/2002 17:30 (Entered as: 8/6/2002 5:30 pm.) Reported: 8/25/2002 9:04:34 PM 21:04 Posted: 8/28/2002 Location: Northumberland ,, PA Shape: Disk Farmer saw an object above Montour Ridge at the powerlines,on top of the mountain, it was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hondred feet to the east, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shined to the ground. What was seen next was very unnerving, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly in the light. What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later and it started shuddering, then went west very fast, stopped briefly, then went straight up and out of sight. 2 days later a naked body - except for his underwear - was found. The man found rode up the powerline looking for deer signs at around 5:00, his 4-wheeler was 2 miles from where his body was found in thick brush. His clothes were never found. Blood hounds never got a scent past the 4-wheeler. The papers are not telling the whole story, they are not mentioning he was naked except for his underwear. A police officer said they were told to keep a lid on this. The F.B.I., we were told by a rescue worker, was questioning people in the general area. They were told not to tell people anything. The body was taken for an autopsy, no cause of death could be found. Now thje Govt. has the body, and told the wife they will need it for 6 to 8 weeks before they can return it. A police officer told told my friend they are going to say he died of a snake bite,e ven though snake bite was already ruled out by toxicology tests. Check-out this first UFO abduction murder in Pa. http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/S24531.html Occurred: 8/6/2002 05:30 (Entered as: 8/6/2002 5;30not) Reported: 8/18/2002 5:40:10 PM 17:40 Posted: 8/28/2002 Location: Northumberland, PA Shape: Circle The craft was seen on Montour Ridge on 8/6 /2002, at 5:30 in the morning, by a farmer and also 3 fisherman on the Susquehanna river. It was at the very top of the mountain on the western end, just hovering above the powerlines. The farmer said it appeared out of nowhere, he could see some sparks flying from the tower and dropping to the ground. The whole incident lasted about 10 minutes, then it got very bright and took off very low heading West, then it stopped and went straight up, it was gone in seconds. The horses on the farm were very upset and nervous for about 12 hours. (NUFORC Note: Witness elects to remain totally anonymous. PD) Newsradio 1070 WKOK PO Box 1070 Sunbury, PA 17801 Phone - 570-286-5838 Fax - 570-743-7837 Radio Station News Reports http://www.wqkx.com/koaindxf.htm Monday, August 5th, 2002 Searchers focus on Montour Ridge missing man (Northumberland) - The search resumed this morning for 39-year- old Todd Sees of Northumberland. Police say he left his Point Township home on his ATV around 5:00 yesterday morning. Point Township Police Chief Gary Steffan says the family became concerned when he didn't return and they initially went looking for him. His son found the ATV parked. The key was gone from the ignition but Sees never turned up. Emergency personnel set out on foot around 2:30 yesterday afternoon, but Chief Steffan said they had to brave some tough elements - very dense underbrush and snake infested areas. Two rattlesnakes were spotted underfoot at the staging area in a field along Montour Ridge on the Phil Geise farm. The State Police helicopter was hampered, by heavy overgrowth, from the air and dogs were unable to pick up any scent on the ground. One of the dog handlers suffered a leg injury. The search of 39-year-old Todd Sees ended around 8:30 last night. Family and friends of Sees continued their own search until 3 in the morning. Another search began early today. (Peggy Chamberlain) Tuesday, August 6th, 2002 Sad conclusion to lengthy search in Point Township (Point Township) - An exhaustive search had a sad ending last night. More than 200 people were involved in the search for a rural Northumberland man, who was found dead last night near his Point Township home off of Route 147. 39-year-old Todd Sees was found at about 7:50 p.m. by family and friends searching the rear of the home. The massive public search had been curtailed earlier in the evening. Police scuba divers were checking a nearby pond when Sees' body was found about 150 yards from his home; he was about 75 yards into a densely wooded and brush- covered area. Point Township police chief Gary Steffen said the case is an 'open investigation' and there were no apparent signs of foul play. An autopsy is set for today at the Lehigh Valley Medical Center in Allentown. A state police investigative unit is assisting in the investigation. A more exhaustive search of the death area will be conducted today. It is not known yet what caused Sees' death. The Northumberland County Coroner and District Attorney were on the scene last night along with State Police and Point Township Police. Sees had left his home around 5:30 a.m. Sunday morning to scout for deer and never returned home. His son, Nick, found his ATV on Sunday and Sees was reported missing. It started out small, but grew to over 200 volunteers Monday afternoon, with the majority of the searchers being volunteer firefighters from the four-county area. Dozens of community groups provided food and water for the volunteers searching and the Red Cross set up a canteen at the Tuckahoe Fire Company. The volunteers were told about the grim discovery last night around 9:00 p.m. Those crews were commended for their efforts in the extreme heat yesterday. (Ali Stevens) Wednesday, August 7th, 2002 Toxicology results may shed light on death of a local man (Sunbury) - The cause of death for a rural Northumberland man is unknown. An autopsy performed yesterday on 39-year-old Todd Sees was inconclusive. Northumberland County Coroner James Kelly says toxicology results should be available in 6-8 weeks. The test will determine if Sees ingested something that may have killed him. The autopsy found no visible injuries to the interior or exterior of the body and there was no sign of foul play. Sees was found Monday night behind his home in thick brush and trees after more than 200 volunteers searched for two days on Montour Ridge in Point Township. (Brent Leasure) Thursday, August 8th, 2002 Todd Sees Update: Funds to memorialize Todd Sees (Northumberland) - The family of Todd Sees is overwhelmed by the outpouring of emotion from the community. Todd's wife, Sue, says they've received so many cards and flowers that they decided to open a fund in his memory. Those interested in making a contribution can stop by any SunBank location and donate to the Norry Acorn Little League Fund in memory of Todd Sees. Sees disappeared Sunday and his body was found Monday night following an extensive two day search by over 200 volunteers on Montour Ridge in Point Township. Meantime, Point Township police say they are continuing to investigate the death of the 39-year-old township resident, who was first reported missing on Sunday and then found dead near his home on Monday night. Point Township Police Chief, Gary Steffan, says they conducted a foot search of the area yesterday, looking for evidence to aid in the investigation. Today they will be using search dogs to go over the area where Sees's body was found. Steffan says they are searching for anything that will help with the investigation. Yesterday, autopsy results on Sees's body came back inconclusive and showed no injury to the interior or exterior of his body. It will now take 6 to 8 weeks for toxicology results. (Ali Stevens) Monday, August 12th, 2002 How toxicology reports help investigators (Sunbury) - Investigators hope toxicology testing done on the body of Todd Sees will shed light on what killed him. An autopsy performed on Sees was inconclusive and there were no signs of any internal or external injuries. Northumberland County Coroner James Kelly says a toxicology test shows whether there were drugs, alcohol, poisons or some other substances in the body that may have contributed to the death. He adds that there are rare occasions when the cause of death remains unknown, even after an autopsy and toxicology test have been performed, but that's only about one percent of the time. The toxicology results for Sees should be available in about 5-7 weeks. (Brent Leasure)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Filer's Files #37 - 2002 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:11:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #37 - 2002 FILER'S FILES #37 - 2002, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Director Mutual UFO Network Eastern September 11, 2002, Majorstar@aol.com. Webmaster: Chuck Warren - My new website is at http//:www.filersfiles-ufo.com. UFO SIGHTINGS CONTINUE HIGH AROUND THE WORLD: The purpose of these files is to report the UFO eyewitness and photo/video evidence that occurs on a daily basis. After visiting the hole in the ground that was once the World Trade Center I have some thoughts. Features this week are: Knowing the past gives us knowledge for the future. Ancient Cave Art shows UFOs, Mars data indicates ancient civilization. UFO may be in Earth orbit, Maine spheres, New York flying triangle, New Jersey disk, Pennsylvania flying triangle, Virginia craft vanishes, Georgia multiple UFOs, Michigan landing, Colorado daytime disk, California shiny balls. Canadian sightings continue, Ireland flying triangles, English police film UFO, Spain sightings, and dancing lights in Greece. KNOWLEDGE OF THE PAST GIVES US A VIEW OF THE FUTURE Last week, I visited Ground Zero in New York to visit the remains of the World Trade Center, I mourned the day that changed America forever when some 2800 people died in an act of war. These acts will not go unpunished, but I wish that humans could move on to greater things. I wondered what visitors a thousand years from now would think. Two of the tallest buildings in the world had been turned to rubble, and now where they once stood in grandeur, there was only a hole in the ground. Certainly a terrible waste of lives but I hope something good will come out of these explosions that destroyed the World Trade Center. It is interesting to remember the largest explosions ever seen by man occurred on Jupiter in 1994, when a comet slammed into the planet creating fireballs the size of Earth, but also spreading the key building blocks of life and bacteria around the planet possibly making this planet habitable sometime in the future. Last week NASA announced that cosmic smog is the key to life in the universe and may have seeded life not only on our planet, but in countless other planets throughout the universe. As I examined the huge hole in the ground, I thought there is better evidence that large structures once stood on Mars, than what is left at Ground Zero. Our satellites are now probing Mars and discovered a network of large tunnels and evidence of ancient settlements and fortresses. If we study Earth's past we can assume it is similar to Mars. On both planets we can see evidence of past civilizations. The ruins on Mars appear similar to those of ancient Babylon or Egypt with pyramids and walled cities. It is evident giant meteors have hit both the Earth and Mars in the past causing catastrophic destruction. Scientists believe the dinosaurs were wiped out on Earth by these impacts. Civilization may have developed on Mars, and when the meteors started crashing to the surface they were forced to go underground. Remnants of a vast tunnel system have been found on Mars, and new satellite images indicate part of the tunnel system may have ended or started at Cydonia. The tunnel appears to end near ancient structures very similar to our own train stations like Grand Central Station. The so called Face on Mars has attracted speculation that a Martian civilization may have left its mark to show future travelers that Martians once existed, similar to our own Sphinx commemorating its past. As an Intelligence Officer I did bomb damage assessment in Vietnam, bombs like meteors can create terrible destruction. The Martian landscape appears destroyed by aerial bombardment from either war or by meteors. The same meteors can bring both destruction and carry the building blocks of life. I feel we can learn from the past and there is more evidence than most people realize. According to the Koran, the Bible and ancient Babylonian writings there was a flood of gigantic proportions on Earth and a few humans were saved on Noah's Ark. Ancient writings in America also tell the story of this great event on Earth that may have been caused by a meteor. In a similar situation after catastrophe on Mars, life chose to go underground for greater safety. Perhaps they chose to escape to another planet? UFOs exist and our ancestors have been telling us about them and actually even painting and drawing them since the Stone Age in their Paleolithic art on cliffs and in caves. Their earliest creative art is amazingly accurate and rivals the great European masters. If we visit the Stone Age Caves of France and Spain today we see spectacular paintings of bison, deer, mammoths and bear. There are also painted objects apparently flying above these animals. I showed my three-year-old granddaughter Alex the paintings, she can identify each one of the animals and also pointed out the UFOs flying above them. In the parlance of archeologists these flying forms have been given the name tectiforms. There are hundreds of these drawings with disks shining down their lights, and flying triangles and flying wings. A few birds with wings can also be seen. Throughout ancient writings such as Ezekiel's wheel we are told of ancient flying objects such as the "Boat of the Sky," as the Egyptian sun god Ra, whose boat sailed over the heavens and was originally the Uaa Nu, "the divine boat of Nu, or Noah. In Roman times many Roman soldiers carried shields that had the likeness of a disk shaped UFO carved on each one. The sky God Mithras was worshipped in Persia and the religion spread to Rome. Mithras was the Mediator between heaven and earth, controlled the rain and also had a flying boat in the sky. The Indian Vedic writings in the Mahabharata tell us that there were gods who could fly and that King Varuna was associated with Noah. The Ramayana describes a vimana as a double-deck, circular flying cylindrical craft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the speed of the wind and gave forth a melodious sound. Nancy Redstar has interviewed the leaders of numerous American Indian tribes in her book "Star Ancestors" and they agree that they were brought here from another planet. Could American Indians often called Redman come from Mars the Red planet? I know the sun exists even when it is covered by clouds I know the energy of love even when it is not given I know the miracles of God, even though he does not speak I know there are UFOs even though they do not communicate I feel my mission is to show the world these greater things. I view the force behind creation as intelligent and loving. For me this intelligence and healing energy is called God for others it is seen as simply energy or nature. It seems logical that God or this energy would choose to have many mansions, that are many planets with life. After all it's a lot of space to waste. In the great religious writings of Genesis it states "In the beginning God created the heavens and Earth." The latest scientific findings indicate this is the case. I think his plan is to teach us greater things. See [ http://www.nationalufocenter.com/files/2002/index.php?id=3D73 ]FF UFO CENTER PHOTOS A UFO MAY BE CIRCLING EARTH Mitch Battros (ECTV) reports, "It has been described as 'Minor Planet' then changed to a NEA (near earth asteroid) then changed again to a NEO (near earth orbit). Bill Yeung discovered the object September 3rd in CCD images taken with an 0.45-meter telescope in Benson, Arizona. The fast mover was "auto detected" when he analyzed his images with DC-3 Dreams' PinPoint software. It has been given a name of "J002E3". At one time, it was thought it could be 'space junk.' But within a few days the MPC removed the object from that listing; preliminary orbit calculations suggested it was traveling in a large, 50-day orbit around the Earth, not the Sun. Roger Sinnott of Sky & Telescope stated efforts by Tony Beresford in Australia and other satellite experts have failed to match this object with any known artificial satellite. There is now very serious questions as to its origin. It has been remarked that if this object is in a Earth orbit, it should have been detected easily. The discoverer of this UFO Bill Yeung, states " a 16th magnitude should have made it "a piece of cake" for survey telescopes like LINEAR and NEAT, or for CCD-equipped amateur instruments, to locate long ago." See: http://www.earthchangestv.com/secure/0902_2articles/10ufo.htm MAINE SPHERES RICHMOND -- My daughter called me from Maine to tell me that she and two women saw them and a police officer as well. The UFOs were all over the sky all night long. Many of them were orange in color and darted about the sky. Quarter size objects with radiant light beams all around hovered in vertical line then darted away. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC NEW YORK FLYING TRIANGLE ROCHESTER -- On August 29, 2002, the witness woke up in the morning to go get something to drink and looked outside to see how nice it was. The witness says, "I heard a low noise almost like wind and looked up to see a triangle shape craft in two tone gray at 3:20 AM. The front and rear had a darker color and the center was a lighter color. My first reaction was Wow, and I was awake and thought this was a stealth bomber. It came from the west and was performing a right turn heading south towards the greater Rochester International Airport. I think the only reason why I heard the craft is because of its right turn. it flew at a steady speed with no other movement the speed of travel I don't know how to explain but it wasn't very fast at that time when it leveled out it took off a little faster with no sound. It had what looked like two lights on either the top or bottom. I think these bright blue white lights were at the points. Thanks to Peter Davenport[ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ] [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC NEW JERSEY DISK LIT UP KEARNY -- Patrick Huyghe reports "My name is Sergey. And on August 31, 2002, my wife Natasha and I saw something which we could not classify as an ordinary event. About 11:30 PM, I came to the kitchen to take a coke from refrigerator. The light in the room was off, but I did not turn it on because I came only for short time. Since it was dark in the room the light object suddenly appeared in the window drew my attention. It was disk- shaped brightly lighted object flying in the sky. It came out from behind of the tree and crossed the part of the sky visible from our window and disappeared behind the building. It was about 5 miles away above Newark and heading west or northwest and was moving fast. I cannot judge the object's size but can assume it was same or larger than passenger aircraft and flying below the clouds. I observed it for about 10-15 seconds. I called my wife Natasha who was just in the next room and she also saw it but for less time. We are absolutely sure the object was real and are amazed. Thanks to Patrick Huyghe author of Swamp Gas Times MONMOUTH COUNTY -- David H. Korey reports that on September 8, 2002, at 1:32 PM a LOG 78 degrees f, crystal clear cloud free sky, unlimited ceiling, while lying on a hammock staring up to the sky just above and to the right I observed a white light darting in an area that would be equivalent to a softball held at arms length. I watched it closely for about 45 seconds and saw no other air traffic for several minutes prior. The glowing object darted to a stationary point just south west of where it displayed these movements. It seemed to start glowing and disappeared. I have been a police officer for 23 years and have seen many explainable things in the night's sky. This was NOT one of them. The only description I can equate is when the watch crystal catches a beam of sun and dances around the walls / ceilings. Sorry for the low tech description for a possible high tech event. Would love to know if radar tracked this event. Thanks to David H. Korey and Bruce Coronet, WUFOD DELAWARE TRIANGLE SHAPED CRAFT HOVERING LOW IN A FIELD DOVER -- It was Friday night, September 6, 2002, and I was heading south on Route 1 towards the Delaware beaches for Labor Day weekend. I was on my cell phone with my girlfriend when I saw something resembling stadium lights in a field where no such thing belonged. I pulled over about 1000 feet of it at 9:05 PM. It was a triangle shape object with numerous white lights hovering 250 feet off the ground, and didn't make a sound. I was about 6 miles from the Dover Air Force Base, but no craft could hover like this. After about two minutes it very slowly made its way across the road, heading northeast. I quickly hopped in my car and made a U-turn, but it disappeared over some trees. I arrived home an hour later, where my stepbrother and his girlfriend were waiting. He had been 20 minutes ahead of me and saw the same thing. Two years ago a very similar object was reported in the same area. Thanks to Peter Davenport: http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/S14819.html). PENNSYLVANIA TRIANGLE FORMATION OF LIGHTS AUBURN -- Near sunrise I was looking almost straight up, and saw three "stars" in a large triangle formation on September 5, 2002. They were the only stars visible in that area of the sky at 5:30 AM. One was moving very erratically, back and forth in a wobbly motion. Sometimes, it reversed its direction suddenly. Then the other two lights were wobbling, too. The total shape of the triangle formation changed shape, with the light on the right-hand point of the triangle doing the most movement. When it got closer to sunrise they disappeared. I don't think any aircraft could have changed direction so quickly and wobbled so erratically. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC VIRGINIA CYLINDER CRAFT VANISHES IN DAYLIGHT LYNCH MOUNTAIN, APPALACHIA -- On September 5, 2002, two doctor friends visited the witness bringing their telescopes to do some deep sky observing. One of my friends told us to look at a "jet" as we watched it go over at 6 PM, but we knew it was no jet, it was a long black cylinder with a smaller cylinder on each of it's sides, also black. One red light was in the center of the largest cylinder. There was NO sound at all from this craft. The witness states, "Now comes the wild part, an eerie green glow started at the point of the red light then haloed the entire craft, and then right in front of three of us the damn thing vanished! It was still daylight and a clear day, no clouds at all! I am no flake, I own a very successful outdoor billboard company. Thanks to Peter Davenport GEORGIA DAYLIGHT METALLIC SPHERE SUWANEE -- The witness was sitting on his back patio looking south over Atlanta at 7:00 PM, on August 28, 2002, and glanced up about 60 degrees and spotted a bright light in the sky. It was still very much daylight, and I thought to myself that I might be looking at Venus. However, upon further consideration I realized that Venus would be much lower in the sky by that time, so I reached inside my sliding glass door and grabbed my binoculars. It was hovering at about 10,000 feet. When I centered the object and focused, I saw what looked to be a metallic sphere surrounded (seemingly attached) by three or four smaller spheres which were rotating around the larger, center sphere (imagine a basketball surrounded by three or four bowling balls). The object drifted slowly to the west, but definitely under control, not at all like a balloon caught in the wind -- it was a very windy day at least at ground level but the object drifted only about two hand lengths during the five minute or so time span that I watched it. As well as drifting to the west, the object also drifted higher. I lost the object after watching it for about five minutes. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC MICHIGAN UFO LANDING KEENE TOWNSHIP, IONIA COUNTY -- I'm not sure talking about this is advisable, but since there is material evidence still visible after a month, it is a duty to notify someone who is familiar, investigates and record occurrences seriously and accurately. I'm a retired physician, graduate of Michigan, age 75. On August 3, 2002, there was a severe electrical thunder storm that night associated with high winds. My wife and I were considering going to our underground storm shelter and I wish we had because we might have seen the object. Six days later Peg came in from mowing the lawn and told me we had crop circles outside. Since we hadn't the type of crops where crop circles are made, I didn't pay much attention and 4 or 5 days later, we went out to see what she had observed. There was a 12 foot ring where all the grass was dead and brown, the width of the ring was about 14 inches. Six days later in this ring of every thing brown, puffballs grew. This is when I took pictures, measured, and took a soil sample and about 5 days later a second ring appeared with subsequent growing of puffballs. There are a number of other things to report. Thanks to Chad WISCONSIN UFO FOLLOWS AIRCRAFT Marlene D. reports, "My husband and I who are pilots were returning from Nashville headed for Wisconsin on August 18, 2002. We were flying an IFR flight plan at 12,000 feet for most of the trip because of the clouds. The Chicago Flight Center cleared us to descend from 12,000 to 5,000 feet. During the descent at 500 feet per minute at around 140 knots I looked back behind the right wing and saw a white light between the cloud banks and far in the distance. It appeared to me as a landing light on a plane. It was five or more miles away and almost parallel to us. Within a few seconds it flew closer at a great rate of speed. As it was the closest to us at 1,500 to 2,000 feet, I could see the bright white light was all it was. There were no wingtip or tail lights -- there were not wings or body. As the light descended rapidly next to us it was still a white light from the back. This all happened in a matter of 5 to 6 seconds. I felt it was on a collision course with us as we were descending into the same cloud it had disappeared into. This happened at 9,300 feet of altitude 20 to 25 miles south of Dubuque, Iowa. ATC did not call us with info on another plane in our vicinity. A plane would not normally have on it's landing light at 9,000 feet, and the speed and the path of it's descent is not possible by any aircraft I am aware of. It had to travel 5 or 6 miles in a matter of 6 seconds. That's one mile a second. I do not think this was another plane. I do not think a meteorite could travel in a level path and then dive. Thanks to UFOWisconsin http://www.ufowisconsin.com/county/reports/r2002_0818_grant.html COLORADO DAYTIME DISK FLYING IN STORMY WEATHER LITTLETON -- I am in sales and have a great view of the sky outside my window. On August 29, 2002, at 3:00 PM, there is a storm blowing through the Denver metro area. I just walked outside of my building to watch the clouds churning, and looked up to the southwest, and I saw a dark circular object -- almost like a child's helium balloon -- sort of hovering and "drifting" toward the north. I was surprised at how slow it moved because the wind was pretty strong. It was at this point about 1/2 to 3/4 miles away. I could tell it wasn't a balloon, and it went out of sight around the corner of my building, so I ran through the building to the other side and caught sight of it again. By this time it was a disk shape, more elongated, and flying a bit faster toward the north. It suddenly slowed down, then wobbled and went slightly sideways, and at that point it changed to more of a white color briefly, then it tilted back to a horizontal position and started moving again to the north. I ran inside and yelled to some friends, "Come tell me if this isn't a flying saucer!" and they all 4 ran out. One of them could also see it, but the others couldn't. It was flying rapidly to the north. It was still an elongated dark object. We watched it for a few seconds until it disappeared. Thanks to Peter Davenport CALIFORNIA SEVERAL SHINY BALLS WESTMINSTER -- On September 8, 2002, between 4:20 PM and 5:00 PM I looked to the northeast sky over Brookhurst Street and witnessed several shinny little balls in the sky, about 8 yet 5 being most visible. I thought they were stars showing through the blue day time sky. They were not. I had noticed they had taken different shapes since I began monitoring them in the sky. I asked a neighbor to check them out. She also noticed that they were not normal airplanes or balloons. Since balloons would just travel as the wind pushed them and not change geometric shape. These things were changing geometric shape in the sky, from triangular, to T- shaped, to Orion's belt, and others. Alfred Loya D-Link Systems, Inc. Thanks to Peter Davenport CANADA SIGHTINGS RODNEY, ONTARIO -- We could see the Northern Lights which are rare in these parts. My boyfriend and I sat outside on September 7, 2002, to determine if they were a group of satellites that had flown by the previous night. Again we saw three objects moving across the sky from north to a southeast direction, but this time they passed by at 22:08 instead of 22:50. Would this rule out satellites? These objects appear to be flying above airplane altitude and follow a similar path as some satellites, with the exception of these objects flying in a triangular formation. It's like three stars just start moving out of nowhere and then just fade out after about 3-4 minutes. Thanks to Brian Vike PARRY SOUND, ONTARIO -- The object was observed by three adults while we were boating in Georgian Bay on September 1, 2002, fifteen minutes after midnight. The actual latitude and longitude can be retrieved from data stored in my GPS. We were anchored overnight near Port Rawlston in Parry Sound and the sky was clear and given our remote northern location there was no interference from rural lighting. The object compared to commercial aircraft observed earlier, appeared to be at a higher altitude and was extremely large. It consisted of three lights in a triangular shape. Not a perfect triangle but with one side shorter than the other. It traveled west with no sound. As it went further west the lights suddenly dimmed out and it was no longer visible. MISSION, BRITISH COLUMBIA -- CROP WATCH 2002, reports two formations in corn on September 8, 2002, both circles are about 6 meters (20 feet) diameter attached straight path. They are in Fraser Valley near Vancouver. These are the 11th and 12th reports for 2002. Ground photos are at: http://www.webhome.idirect.com/~psa/circlescanada02.html FOUR TRIANGULAR UFOs SIGHTED IN IRELAND WATERFORD -- On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:05 p.m., Stephen O'Hanlon was in the outskirts of a city in Southern Ireland, when he spotted an unusual formation in the sky. "I saw four orange-colored, triangular-shaped objects flying in formation almost over my head," Stephen reported, "The two craft in the rear were moving erratically from side to side but not in unison. One seemed to drop into a curve or a crescent as it flew in perfect alignment with the others. The one to the left was more erratic and seemed to jerk from side to side but also followed the crescent shape (trajectory--J.T.). There was absolutely no sound." The UFOs were "triangular, all four were exactly the same size and were orange in color, glowing slightly. They were the size of light aircraft and flew very close together. They flew at least 1,000 to 1,500 feet (300 to 450 meters) and kept at the level until out of sight." Thanks to UFO Roundup Vol. 7, # 36 September 3, 2002 Editor: Joseph Trainor http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ MEXICO UFOs SEEN TIJUANA -- On September 1, 2002, dozens of residents claim having seen a UFO at 2:15 AM that had a diameter of 50 meters and hovered at low altitude, even while covered by a cloud. Our sources, noticed a powerful light in the sky. They woke up other neighbors and friends, since they were afraid that they were suffering from a strange collective hallucination caused by liquor. However, this was not the case, since those who were awakened saw exactly the same thing, a highly luminous object that made no sound. "Grupo Xendra de Mexico" is attempting to see if any video recordings or photographs of the UFOs exist, so as to incorporate them to the wave that has been recorded in recent months in the land of the Aztecs. Thanks to Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Translation (C) 2002. WEBCAM POPOCATEPETL VOLCANO -- Continues to capture images of a UFO that flies around the volcano on a regular basis. Thanks to Dr. Oren Swearingen, See: http://www.messenia.com/links/webcam/asp/popocatepetl.asp ENGLAND POLICE HELICOPTER FILMS UFO BRIGHTON -- A police helicopter has captured images of a UFO traveling across the coast and was followed for about 10 miles. None of the crew members on board the helicopter had seen anything like it before or since. The footage has aroused the interest of UFO enthusiasts. So what could it be? Well, some people think it could be a balloon. Thanks to MUFON Canada gfrison@cbnet.ns.ca SPAIN UFO Sightings Over Seville Continue SEVILLE PROVINCE -- Is experiencing a startling amount of UFO activity including landings and humanoid encounters. L.L.R. was driving along the road on July 23, 2002, belonging to the Boliden-Apirsa Mining Company at 9:45 PM, when he saw a small light which was crossing the road. The witness states, "I kept getting closer, and when I saw that it had no intentions of braking, I flashed it with my high beams without slowing down, the thing was right in front of my car." "I collided against it and turned away, expecting an impact, and there was only an explosion of multicolored lights, so I got out of the car to see what happened, but there was nothing on the road!" No accident, no casualty, nothing whatsoever! I became hysterical and looked under my car, but found no traces of glass or other materials. "The hood of his car showed signs that something had indeed made contact with the vehicle, but when I looked there was nothing, only some sort of a thick water that vanished upon touching it...nothing more," he said. I had trouble starting the car, and the battery refused to work. Thanks to Jos=E9 Manuel Garc=EDa and Scott Corales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Translation (C) 2002. GREECE DANCING LIGHTS OVER SKY. AGRIA, VOLOS -- The event took place almost an hour ago, moments after midnight on September 4, 2002. While walking we saw three lights moving in parallel from east to west. The middle light was bouncing between the other two lights, moving like a pendulum. Soon after that the formation changed into a triangle that was continuously changing shape and dimension. Just as they were reaching Cassiopeia they aligned again and performed a very tight and fast 180 degrees turn without any reduction in speed. Right after the turn, the formation started changing again. For a moment the lights gathered close forming a bright single light but almost immediately it broke again into three lights, until it disappeared. HIGH STATE OF ALERT -- President Bush ordered closing of embassies abroad and putting missile batteries on duty around Washington. It is suggested you drive with headlights on and leave your outside lights on tonight. UFO DEFENSE TACTICS - WEATHER SHIELD TO CHEMTRAILS A. K. Johnstone, Ph.D., explores with evidence, the creation of a weather shield to deter UFOs from entering earth's atmosphere, as well as the erratic weather changes in recent years. Numerous UFO sightings are examined from a scientific viewpoint, including plasma sheaths and fireballs. Order illustrated book, $14.95 from Hancock House 1-800-938-1114. NEW JERSEY CONFERENCE Pat Marcatillio is holding a UFO conference in Bordentown, NJ on October 12 and 13 at the Days' Inn. Ingo Swann, David Jacobs, Tom Van Flandern, Jim Moseley, Bruce Maccabee and others will be speaking. Details are at--http://www.drufo.org. TO OBTAIN OPTIMUM HEALTH To help my readers I have started a program of good nutrition that is a customized way for you to maintain good health. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Publishing Factoid Of The Day From: Loren Coleman <lcolema1@maine.rr.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:53:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:01:40 -0400 Subject: Publishing Factoid Of The Day "In the 60 years since Pearl Harbor, 200 books have been written about that first date to live in infamy. In the year since September 11, more than 400 books have been published." Washington Times September 11, 2002 http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020911-8429718.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:45:05 EDT >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:20:55 -0700 >>Subject: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>Buzz Socks Skeptic >>Moon landing astronaut Buzz Aldrin landed a solid left hook to >>the face area of a moon-landing skeptic that 'ambushed' him ><snip> >Attaboy, Buzz. >Get that rude ol "skeptic". Hi Bob, Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to contend with. Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: The Oddities Of People's Beliefs From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:04:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:10:19 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oddities Of People's Beliefs >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:45:16 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: The Oddities Of People's Beliefs >Warning! Ace-Cub-reporter at work..... >Source: Question - Serving Whistler & Pemberton British Columbia >http://www.whistlerquestion.com/madison%5CWQuestion.nsf/WQeditorial/EC8D7DE10A 5F15AD88256C2B006FEBBF?OpenDocument >The oddities of people's beliefs >OFF THE RECORD >By >Steven Hill >Reporter <snip> Here's another belief: That most reporters are the informed, sober second thought and protector of democracy. That they are objective and free of influence from powerful concerns. The large majority in fact will jump to a well paying government job or private conglomerate job as a spin doctor - given the opportunity. That they aren't lazy and thoroughly research each piece they write. The piece above proves my point. The reporter took the safe, cautious and lazy route on this piece - and just pulled it out of his ass. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:14:31 -0400 Subject: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:08 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >Source: Rense.com >http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported > From Peter Davenport >Director - National UFO Reporting Center >UFOCenter.com <snip> >If you need additional info for verification on anything contact >me. (name deleted) List: That'll be easy! Notice that in the UFO stories, all of claimed witnesses or reporters are anonymous. Everybody who reported non-UFO news items to NUFORC, however, used their names. Sounds like wild local rumors. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:38:36 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:17:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ - Young >From: YoungBob2@aol.com >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:40:53 EDT >Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 00:07:30 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:44:20 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Bubba Returns To Gilbert, AZ >>>Might be prank fire balloons. They sometimes flare up just >>>before burning out when the plastic laundry bag catches fire. >>>When launched by the same people, they do come back time after >>>time, and they sure want to be seen. >>Don't you think we could tell a fireball when we see one? >I was talking about a fire balloon. >>Hell, with all those video cameras, telescopes, and scanners I think >>we'd solve it before 30 sightings came along. Not to mention >>nobody's house ever burned down after a Bubba sighting, >Never heard of any houses being burned down by little fire >balloons, have you? >>nor was a fireballoon found. >Maybe those who are launching them know where to look and get >there first. >Keep looking. Here at Harrisburg, back in '67, there were at >least 60 launched, causing UFO reports almost nightly, until a >bunch of high school kids with a car finally chased one and >recovered it. Took months. Another was found when photographed >by an all-sky camera of the University of Colorado's UFO >investigators. (See Case 27 of the Colorado Project at: >http://www.ncas.org/condon/). >>Not to mention "the fireballoon" ejects smaller white objects >>"smaller white fire balloons" that fly around it. The so-called >>fireball also pulses rapidly, >Maybe they've got a little flashing light on it. >>much too fast for fire to create, when the "fire balloon" suddenly >>increases its speed by a factor >>of 5 or more. >You mean from drifting at maybe a foot/sec away from you to at >right angles? Not unusual in changing winds at low altitudes. >>Why don't you try making your own fireballs and releasing it 30 >>times right in the path of landing commercial aircraft. >I wouldn't try such a dangerous and I'm sure illegal experiment. >Which may be why you can't find out who's doing it. Bob, I didn't know UpDates had UFO trolls! UFO skies, Tom King
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:18:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man >Source: Rense.com >http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >From Peter Davenport >Director - National UFO Reporting Center >UFOCenter.com >9-10-2 >Occurred: 8/2/2002 17:30 (Entered as: 8/2/2002 5:30 Pm) >Reported: 8/29/2002 2:56:17 PM 14:56 >Posted: 9/6/2002 >Location: Northumberland, PA >Shape: Disk >(NUFORC Note: We have contacted a local newspaper in >Northumberland County, and the police officer who served as >investigator of the case. >The newspaper confirms that the incident occurred, although the >police officer stated that the decedant's remains had been >returned to the family, contrary to the claims made by some >regarding this case. The official report will be released in >late September, according to the police officer, and we will >attempt to obtain a copy of it. --PD) >I will be as brief as possible. A man named Todd Sees was >abducted and murdered by aliens on Montour Ridge in >Northumberland County near the town of Northumberland, Pa. This >is a big sloppy coverup if there ever was one. Hello All, I sincerely hope that a competent UFO investigator is looking into this report. Does anyone know if some one is 'on this case'? I'd especially like to know more about the report from the local farmer who saw a person being lifted by a beam of light up into the craft that was observed in the area of Todd Sees disappearance. (If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter 'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by something other than a UFO contact. The implications are terrifying and mind-numbing. Condolences to Todd Sees' family and loved ones. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:00:37 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:37:46 -0400 Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:00:16 -0400 >Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:40:31 +0200 >>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:20:38 +0200 >>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:09:59 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: On The Surgical Removal Of Alleged Alien Implants ><snip> >Hi Gildas, <snip> >Warmest regards, and thanx again for an excellent and >informative 'implant' update post. With your permission I would >like to post it to the AIC website so that all visitors can >further investigate this urgent and compelling subject for >themselves. Hello John and List Thank you very much for your appreciation. Of course you can put my text on your web site. I am glad that you'll do that! Best regards Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:46:17 +1000 Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:44:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:07:27 EDT >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:30:35 +1000 >>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:12:42 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:00 +1000 >>>>Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday ><snip> >>>>Today I sat watching the position where we saw the object/s a >>>>week ago. I arrived at 12:30 & departed at 13:30. This gives >>>>approximately 30 minutes before and after the sighting time last >>>>Saturday. >>Bob, you seem to be confused! :) >>Firstly that pic I linked was merely an example of the form or >>profile of the object, as my mind recalled it from the brief >>glimpses I snatched whilst driving. >Dave: >Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the picture you posted was - >fabricated. Is it Bob? I wouldn't know about that! I merely used 2 photos as a simile of the profile of the object/s that we saw on both consequitive days. My recollection being this: http://www.protree.com/pufo/images/oregon.1950/oregon-1950.2.gif Tony's being this: http://home.austarnet.com.au/dacres/similarTrinityBch.jpg This UFO pic was allegedly taken in Utah in 1972. Tony had longest viewing time of we three, being approximately 3-4 seconds on Sunday and 1-2 seconds on Saturday. >>Secondly, on both days the sightings occurred at 13:00 hours, or >>1 PM in layman's terms. A bright, sunny day with not a star in >>sight! >Thanks for adding "PM". I guessed I missed that. It's strange >because the picture seemed to show four bright objects against a >dark sky. Oh, well. I refer you to links above... >>Thirdly, it was approximately the width of my thumb held at arms >>length and even though I have rather small hands, I've never >>seen a star even close to that big! I'll add that I've never >>seen an elliptical star either! >With or without eyeglasses? Actually, my distant viewing is exemplary! This has been proven to me on several occasions in my life! It's definately above average! It's only reading without glasses that is a problem. My arms aren't long enough! :) >>Did you actually read my posts on this?, or are you just "taking >>the piss", as my pommie mates would say! :) >Well, when you post a picture you created of lights against a >dark sky which, look like they are shinging through clouds, then >say they were really oval, it's really hard to tell. I_created_a_ picture? 'Scuse me Bob? I grabbed it whilst searching the Web for a pic that was similar to the shape of the object, as I best remembered it! Do you suffer from selective reading disorder or something? :) >How far apart were the lights? Thumbs or what? You do, don't you! :) However, you did pick up on my confusion between the shape of an oval & an ellipse! :) We know we saw something weird, Bob! It would be nice to have a confirmation from another witness! But truly, I don't really care who believes or not, I'm just really rapt to have finally seen something IRT, that, at present anyway, we consider to be anomalous! :) Later 'gator..... Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 11 'Signs' Director? From: Thiago L. Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:28:48 -0300 (BRT) Fwd Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:48:18 -0400 Subject: 'Signs' Director? Dear friends, Please, do you have the e-mail of the Touchstone Pictures Corp. and/or Mr. M. Night Shyamalan's e-mail? Thank you very much, Thiago Luiz Ticchetti EBE-ET/Brasilia/Brasil
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 The Oberg Challenge From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:12:15 -0400 Subject: The Oberg Challenge In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. (I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO 'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if so, what if anything were the results? The Smear article begins: After the recent semi-public meeting held in Washington, D.C. by Dr. Steven Greer's CSETI organization, well-known UFO skeptic & space expert Jim Oberg of Dickinson, Texas released the following open letter to Dr. Greer. Please read this letter very carefully, especially the final two paragraphs. Here we see strong hints about some currently classified matters that could shed a great amount of light on the real UFO Mystery. Says Oberg: "...I am a lifelong UFO buff, a founding fellow of CSICOP, and long time associate of Phil Klass, as well as a colleague and friend of J. A. Hynek from Northwestern days. I am fascinated with the folklore aspects of the UFO beliefs in our culture, and am a specialist in spaceflight operations, both American and Russian... I applaud CSETI's efforts to strip away the 'government secrets prosecution' barrier to the disclosure of people's stories about UFO experiences and I fully support the call for a government declaration that all legal constraints against disclosure be dissolved. I've always felt that claims of fear of such prosecution, as an excuse by people not to 'go public', was often merely a gimmick not to have to take responsibility for the authenticity of such stories. As far as I've been able to tell... nobody has ever been arrested or charged - much less convicted and sentenced - for actually doing so. But don't stop merely with legalizing disclosure of all - if any - government secrets about 'real UFOs'. I believe there is a far more valuable body of 'secrets' that will help understand the decades of UFO phenomena that the world has experienced. This deals with government-related activities which directly or indirectly led to public perceptions that UFOs might be real when they weren't. Sometimes these actions were carefully orchestrated in advance; sometimes they were localized impromptu ad hoc damage-limitation tactics. But from my own experience, they seem to have played a tremendous and widely unappreciated role in inciting and enflaming public interest in UFOs while deflecting public attention from real highly-classified government activities. I'm referring to situations where government representatives - officials, military officers, etc. - used 'UFO' as a convenient camouflage for other official classified activities (such as retrieval of crashed aircraft or nuclear weapons or other objects), or used artificial 'UFO stories' (in oral, written, photographic, film, etc. form) as 'tracers' in studying the function of security safeguards and personnel psychological responses; or used 'UFO' as an excuse (either intended or accidental) to cover up improper, forbidden, or diplomatically delicate activities (such as aviation incidents involving dangerous accidental or deliberate close passes or intercepts of civilian airliners; or overseas excursions of agents on intelligence missions where deflection of local perceptions was useful; or to conceal from the country of origin the possession of foreign military hardware); or played pranks and jokes on intended or accidental targets; or any other activity that the government - or any part of it - wanted to keep hidden, knowing that having it thought of as 'UFO-related' would consign it to the never-never-land of myth and nuttiness, thus keeping mainstream media attention to a minimum. And it has worked! Please include such 'UFO secrets' in your list of disclosure demands, and ask that any government personnel involved in the use (or misuse or abuse) of such practices be immune from any government prosecution for the actions which led them to take such measures. Once such immunity is verifiably granted, I have my own list of people who have privately talked to me over the years and who were involved in government activities leading to a number of well-known 'UFO cases', which can be released and which can help the public understand where and how much of today's UFO mythology originated. "This is a serious proposal deserving of serious consideration, and promises immensely fruitful results." End extract from Saucer Smear ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Mantell Again From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:01:42 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:14:58 -0400 Subject: Mantell Again All - Yesterday I lucked out and saw one of the Sightings pieces on Mantell. Talk about spin and misrepresentation. But of course they wanted it to sound mysterious. But had they read the Air Force file on the case carefully they would have had the answers to a couple of questions but instead they wanted to point out that Alfred Loedding patented a "tailless" aircraft that had a somewhat circular shape suggesting, I suppose, that he "stole" the design from the craft seen over Kentucky. Progress is continuing and I would like to thank Brad Sparks for correcting my impression that the difference between anoxia and hypoxia was a matter of blood flow, but it really is about the amount of oxygen, or the lack of oxygen, in the blood. He sent me an important paper that had a chart that gives the length of time a person can expect to remain conscious at various altitudes which is important in understanding Mantell. The first draft nears completion and I hope to get the thing posted soon. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:33:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:00:19 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There <snip> >>http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/09.05.02/biter-0236.html <snip> >>Science-fiction buffs and Roswell conspiracy theorists who've >>been watching the skies were handed a small victory this summer, >>when the scientific community announced the discovery of a solar >>system remarkably similar to ours. >I'm surprised that other "off the wall" segment of society >called the scientific community, specifically astro-biologists >and physicists, wouldn't be excited as well. Nearly all the planets discovered orbiting nearby stars have been "hot Jupiters" (i.e. large gaseous planets much closer to the their star than Jupiter is to our Sun). Earth size extrasolar planets orbiting much further away from their home stars and located within the so-called habitable zone where liquid water can exist have NOT been found. Because of inherit limitations in the "wobble" technique used to detect most extrasolar planets, much smaller Earth size planets cannot now be detected. They will be found in the coming years using better equipment and different techniques and then everyone, including astro-biologists and physicists, will have good reason to get excited. We did have a false alarm a while back which excited me very much when it was announced that there was a planet orbiting around one of the two stars of Zeta Reticuli, one of stars in the Betty Hill "Star Map" and the suspected home base for some ETs which are visiting Earth. This discovery was withdrawn shortly afterwards as premature. After I contacted Dr. Hatzes, the co-discoverer of this false extrasolar planet, it was not ruled out that smaller Earth size planets orbiting Zeta Reticuli may exist. >The piece goes on to ask the real nutballs, the creationists, as >to what their opinion is. Who cares what some segment of society >that bases their belief system on a work of fiction thinks. We >damn near had one of these nuts offer up to lead this Canada. >Imagine having the Prime Miniser of a country whose belief >system embraces the world beginning only 6,000 years ago. According to a friend and aide of a current Member of Parliament and past Prime Minister of Canada, she found books about UFOs on the shelves in his office! Another war-time Prime Minister, Mackenzie King used to ask his mother, long since dead, for advice. This week many university students and staff where I work are celebrating Rosh Hashanah - the Jewish new year. Many of them can provide sound "scientific" reasons why not to doubt that 5763 years have passed since creation. Some may consider these people and even us as nutballs too, but if they were not too quick to judge, they may find there is a sound basis for our madness. >What's even scarier is that these simple-minded blockheads have >the right to vote and raise children. I would not be so harsh Don. Our parents, their parents and their parents before them did a great job raising and educating us. When it comes to science and what is truth, we are learning all the time. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:00 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:30:08 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer >From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:44:16 -0300 >About the Trindade Island Case, however, I must say that we, >Brazilian researchers, see as very unfortunate and opportunistic >the recent attempts to discredit the photos. In recent articles >released in the US a few authors have tried to imply that either >Almiro Bara=FAna's material is a hoax or an accidental photograph >of an airplane. This is simply outrageous. >Bara=FAna died a few years ago as a serious and reputable man. The >sighting of the UFO over Trindade is comprised of about 50 >witnesses, many of them government employees and several >military. The negative of all the photos was developed still in >the ship, just after the picture was taken, with no chance of >fakery or tricks. >The idea that the object could be an airplane, as suggested in a >recent USA paper, is offensive and even hilarious, since >Trindade is at least 1.200 km from the nearest airport and an >airplane should have at least 2.400 km autonomy to perform such >a flight (40 years ago?). I also am doubtful of this. >The Ilha da Trindade photos are some of the most remarkable and >valuable evidences of the UFO phenomena. They have been >intensively examined by military and civilians of several >nations for decades, and not even a single piece of byte was >found misplaced in them. I definitely don't understand the new >attempts of reopening the case now?! >We have so many other hard evidences coming from hundreds of >very well documented cases, in Brazil and everywhere, that the >simple idea of getting back to the Trindade Island photos seem >absolutely out of place. Let'me move on. Many other "Trindade >Islands" are in Brazil and in all over the world. Absolutely nothing new here apart from a lot of indignation. Are there *no* Brazilian researchers who can present us with fresh facts? -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:51:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:34:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:35:47 +0200 >Subject: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >Received this one from www.majesticdocuments.com >Stig >*** Here we go again. More bull on top of the last load of bull, new guys jumping on the gravy wagon. Nick how could you? Of course, the CIC officers at 4th AF did not talk to Arnold in June. In fact AF HQ did not get around to ordering interviews until July. The fabricators can't even get their facts straight. Nothing new here. They have been caught so many times with their pants down, that it is a wonder anyone sitll listens to this bunk! Jan Aldrich
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:25:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:36:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:35:47 +0200 >Subject: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >Received this one from www.majesticdocuments.com >Stig *** >Officially Released Documents Confirm The Contents Of The Majestic 12 >First Annual Report <snip> >4. Furthermore, we have posted to the FOIA section of the >website three pages of officially released documentation that >confirms the data contained in Annex C, Entry 10 of the First >Annual Report. The relevant section of the Report reads thus: >On 24 April 1949, engineers and technicians from the White Sands >Proving Ground observed a elliptically-shaped object moving in >an eastward course at very high altitude. The object was >discovered while tracking a Skyhook balloon through a t>heodolite. The object appeared whitish in color and pale yellow >at the tale end. The object was estimated to be two-and-a-half t>imes as long as it was wide. It was difficult to see any >structure of the object, as it was moving at a very high speed. >The object was observed through a theodolite for approximately >one minute before disappearing in a steep climb. The object was >estimated to be traveling at an altitude of over 60 miles. >The three pages of documentation that we have posted were found >in the official UFO records of the Air Force?s Office of Special >Investigations at the National Archives and Records >Administration, Maryland. They are: (a) a one-page report on the >case and (b) a two-page witness statement attesting to the >reality of the event. >http://209.132.68.98/authentication/archives/pdf/usaf-objectreport_24april49.p df This refers to the well known C. B. Moore sighting with several Navy enlisted men while tracking a high altitude balloon. The case is discussed in numerous books including The UFO FBI Connection, Chapter 9.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:08:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:45:05 EDT >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic <snip> >Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to >contend with. Hi Don: Strange flip there, huh? >Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional >publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera >registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. Maybe they just air-brushed it out so the flag wasn't "defaced". After all, it was a Gov't project. I seem to remember something about this, but not the details [as in the debunking]. Got an URL? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:10:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>Source: Rense.com >>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>From Peter Davenport >>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>UFOCenter.com <snip> >(If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to >explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter >'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. >Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the >death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start >paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. >I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by >something other than a UFO contact. The implications are >terrifying and mind-numbing. John, Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. The take from the skeptibunkers will be something along the lines of the farmer saw (choose one or all of the following): Venus, weather balloon, clouds, hoax and or It was part of some scheme by person or persons as yet unknown, and somehow someway, the family will benefit, either by a life insurance policy, or something like that which in the skeptibunker mind is instant proof that that it was not UFO related. If the skeptibunkers can't readily explain it away with the usuall crop of suspects we will hear how this case has some interesting aspects and how they suspect (this or that theory) , but just can't prove it yet, blah blah blah. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 CCCRN News: Update - Two Corn Formations - From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:51:24 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:12:23 -0400 Subject: CCCRN News: Update - Two Corn Formations - CCCRN NEWS The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada September 12, 2002 _____________________________ CROP WATCH 2002 UPDATE - TWO CORN FORMATIONS - MISSION, BRITISH COLUMBIA A preliminary ground study has been done at the site of the two corn formations at Mission, British Columbia, reported September 8, by Paul Anderson (CCCRN), Graham Conway (UFOBC) and Steve Adair (UFOBC). The first formation is a large pictogram type pattern approximately 45 metres (149 feet) long, consisting of a large 18 metre (60 foot) circle with an attached 20 metre (65 foot) long 'L' shaped pathway on one side and a curved 7.4 metre (24 foot) pathway on the opposite side. Mature corn is approximately nine feet tall with one inch thick stalks. Clockwise lay in circle, straight lay in pathways. Some stalks bent (curved) near the ground with little or no damage, others snapped or 'sliced' off (from just above the ground to just over a foot above the ground) and lying completely detached on the ground. Loose soil with small dry dirt clumps on the surface, easily crumbled, but apparently mostly untouched. About a couple hundred feet into the field from the brambled edge of field nearest road. Field is in a valley area near a highway bordered by dense bramble / thistle and steep inclines. Other more open access to fields is at opposite end of each, but a few thousand feet away from the formations themselves. The second formation is on the other side of the highway in a similar field. Not entered on ground yet due to lack of time on initial visit, but will be examined soon also. View from road is of a similar type formation in same size range, with at least one attached pathway and very flat looking lay. At least three or four hundred feet or more into the field from the very thickly brambled edge of field nearest road. The formations may be a couple of weeks old according to a couple of witnesses in the area. While they may be 'Signs'- related creations, no other rumours or reports, media or public, heard or received at this point. Field reports, photos and diagrams coming soon. 'Corn circle' corn on the cob, anyone? As the main CCCRN web site is again down temporarily due to continued increased traffic, please use the following copy of the Crop Circles in Canada 2002 page: http://www.webhome.idirect.com/~psa/circlescanada02.html The main web site should be back by end of this week, apologies again for any inconvenience. Crop Watch is an annual research project of CCCRN, including field investigations and studies of formations, aerial surveillance and awareness initiatives for farmers, the public and the media, in particular during the prime August / September 'circle season' on the Canadian prairies ____________________________ CCCRN News is the e-news service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, providing e-mail updates with the latest news and reports on the crop circle phenomenon in Canada, as well as other information on CCCRN-related projects and events, sent free to your e-mail. To subscribe, send an e-mail with Subscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network is a non-profit research organization which has been investigating and documenting the crop circle phenomenon and other possibly related phenomena in Canada since 1995, creating a liason between researchers, farmers, the public, the media and scientists in trying to solve this ongoing enigma. Main Office 202 - 325 East 14th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5T 2M9 Canada Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Cell: 604.727.1454 E-Mail: psa@look.ca Web: http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada =A9 Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK From: Thiago L. Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:51:24 -0300 (BRT) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:14:14 -0400 Subject: Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK Hello friends, I would like to exchange, monthly, the revista UFO Brasil Magazine (Mr. A.J. Gevaerd is the editor) with UFO Magazine-USA and UFO Magazine-UK. I also have material (videos, books, magazines, official documents) to exchange. If there is interest, please, contact me directly. Regards Thiago Luiz Ticchetti EBE-ET Brasilia,Brazil
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Ceramic Monster Marks 50Th Anniversary Of UFO From: Loren Coleman <lcolema1@maine.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:11:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:16:18 -0400 Subject: Ceramic Monster Marks 50Th Anniversary Of UFO Source: Ananova http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_669248.html Ceramic monster marks 50th anniversary of UFO sighting A ceramic green monster has been created to mark the 50th anniversary of a famous UFO sighting. The monster is based on descriptions of a strange creature spotted by townsfolk in Flatwoods, West Virginia. On September 12 1952, police were called out to reports of a burning object falling from the sky near the Elk River. Later the same day, four boys playing football reported seeing a mysterious craft land on top of a hill close to Flatwoods School. They were joined by a local woman and her two sons, who walked towards it. Nearby they claim to have seen a 10ft tall creature with a bright red face, bright green clothing and a head which resembled the ace of spades. They ran off when it seemed to float towards them. The mystery has never been solved, although the local sheriff believes the object was a meteor. He thought the "green monster" was the eyes of an animal in a tree glowing in reflected light. UFO enthusiasts are gathering in Flatwoods for a three day festival to mark the anniversary, with two of the witnesses - Kathleen May and her son Fred - among the guests of honour. Story filed: 11:15 Thursday 12th September 2002 For a detailed schedule of the festival see: http://www.lorencoleman.com/Flatwoods.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:46:44 -0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:19:15 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Gevaerd >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:00 +0100 >Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:44:16 -0300 >>About the Trindade Island Case, however, I must say that we, >>Brazilian researchers, see as very unfortunate and opportunistic >>the recent attempts to discredit the photos. In recent articles >>released in the US a few authors have tried to imply that either >>Almiro Bara=FAna's material is a hoax or an accidental photograph >>of an airplane. This is simply outrageous. >>Bara=FAna died a few years ago as a serious and reputable man. The >>sighting of the UFO over Trindade is comprised of about 50 >>witnesses, many of them government employees and several >>military. The negative of all the photos was developed still in >>the ship, just after the picture was taken, with no chance of >>fakery or tricks. >>The idea that the object could be an airplane, as suggested in a >>recent USA paper, is offensive and even hilarious, since >>Trindade is at least 1.200 km from the nearest airport and an >>airplane should have at least 2.400 km autonomy to perform such >>a flight (40 years ago?). >I also am doubtful of this. >>The Ilha da Trindade photos are some of the most remarkable and >>valuable evidences of the UFO phenomena. They have been >>intensively examined by military and civilians of several >>nations for decades, and not even a single piece of byte was >>found misplaced in them. I definitely don't understand the new >>attempts of reopening the case now?! >>We have so many other hard evidences coming from hundreds of >>very well documented cases, in Brazil and everywhere, that the >>simple idea of getting back to the Trindade Island photos seem >>absolutely out of place. Let'me move on. Many other "Trindade >>Islands" are in Brazil and in all over the world. >Absolutely nothing new here apart from a lot of indignation. Are >there *no* Brazilian researchers who can present us with fresh >facts? Dear John: Do you mean "fresh facts" about Brazilian Ufology or about the Trindade Island Case? If it is about Brazilian Ufology, then we have much new info. About the Trindade Island Case, however, I am afraid that nothing really new has surfaced lately, since just about everything about it has already been released. A. J.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Offically Released Documents Support From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:31:7 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:13:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:25:26 -0400 >Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:35:47 +0200 >>Subject: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >>Received this one from www.majesticdocuments.com >>Stig >*** >>Officially Released Documents Confirm The Contents Of The Majestic 12 >>First Annual Report ><snip> >>4. Furthermore, we have posted to the FOIA section of the >>website three pages of officially released documentation that >>confirms the data contained in Annex C, Entry 10 of the First >>Annual Report. The relevant section of the Report reads thus: >>On 24 April 1949, engineers and technicians from the White Sands >>Proving Ground observed a elliptically-shaped object moving in >>an eastward course at very high altitude. The object was >>discovered while tracking a Skyhook balloon through a >>theodolite. The object appeared whitish in color and pale yellow >>at the tale end. The object was estimated to be two-and-a-half >>times as long as it was wide. It was difficult to see any >>structure of the object, as it was moving at a very high speed. >>The object was observed through a theodolite for approximately >>one minute before disappearing in a steep climb. The object was >>estimated to be traveling at an altitude of over 60 miles. >>The three pages of documentation that we have posted were found >>in the official UFO records of the Air Force?s Office of Special >>Investigations at the National Archives and Records >>Administration, Maryland. They are: (a) a one-page report on the >>case and (b) a two-page witness statement attesting to the >>reality of the event. >http://209.132.68.98/authentication/archives/pdf/usaf-objectreport_24april4 9.pdf >This refers to the well known C. B. Moore sighting with several >Navy enlisted men while tracking a high altitude balloon. >The case is discussed in numerous books including >The UFO FBI Connection, Chapter 9. How this document, on Charlie Moore's sighting which has been available decades, can be characterized as "Officially Released Documents Confirm The Contents Of The Majestic 12 First Annual Report" is beyond me. Jan Aldrich Project 1947 http://www.project1947.com/ P. O. Box 391 Canterbury, CT 06331 (860) 546-9135
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:53:33 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:17:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>Source: Rense.com >>>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>From Peter Davenport >>>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>>UFOCenter.com ><snip> >>(If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to >>explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter >>'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. >>Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the >>death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start >>paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. >>I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by >>something other than a UFO contact. The implications are >>terrifying and mind-numbing. >John, >Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. >The take from the skeptibunkers will be something along the >lines of the farmer saw (choose one or all of the following): >Venus, weather balloon, clouds, hoax and or It was part of >some scheme by person or persons as yet unknown, and somehow >someway, the family will benefit, either by a life insurance >policy, or something like that which in the skeptibunker mind is >instant proof that that it was not UFO related. >If the skeptibunkers can't readily explain it away with the >usuall crop of suspects we will hear how this case has some >interesting aspects and how they suspect (this or that theory) , >but just can't prove it yet, blah blah blah. Robert, No wait, it is even worst than that. Corso is on Greer's Witness List. Good trick to get him to testify. But what did Corso say? Why, he is the savior of humanity. He is responsible for the erection of a space based defense against the evil ETs. Now that goes against Greer's benovolent ETs? Only Greer can do the backward flips to rationalize this one. In front of Congress that should be a great help. Please support the Disclosure Project - a laugh a minute. Again, who are the real disinformation agents, why they are right here among us. Jan Aldrich Project 1947 http://www.project1947.com/ P. O. Box 391 Canterbury, CT 06331 (860) 546-9135
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Ballester Olmos From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:20:33 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Ballester Olmos >From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:46:44 -0300 >Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:00 +0100 >>Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>Absolutely nothing new here apart from a lot of indignation. Are >>there *no* Brazilian researchers who can present us with fresh >>facts? >Dear John: >About the Trindade Island Case, however, I am afraid that >nothing really new has surfaced lately, since just about >everything about it has already been released. >A.J. A.J., The issue basically has to do, for instance, with the possibility to have access to the original negatives; are these available from the family of Almiro Bara=FAna? Do they still exist? We could then take advantage of the contemporary sophisticated techniques for photoanalysis. Also, have all the Brazilian Navy official reports on this case been disclosed, or there is still something to be declassified? And finally, can we (documentally) confirm or refute the rumors about certain photographic hoaxes allegedly performed by Bara=FAna himself before 1958? If you, Brazilian researchers, would be able to contribute answers to this set of questions, that would be useful. Friendly yours, Vicente-Juan
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:05:32 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:24:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:14:22 -0700 >Subject: Re: Saw Something Anomalous On Saturday Hi Jim, Errol, Bob if your're reading ;) and List. :) I sent that press release to the Cairns Post & the local radio stations. I had a response from one of the DJ's, he will send me a cassette of the news broadcast of the Gordonvale School incident. I'll transcribe it for all when it arrives. I also recieved a response from UFORQ (UFO-Research Queensland). It seems to be a very well run organization! Web page is professional & fast, too! His/her? respone follows:.... "Hi david, thanks for the below email. We had no reports of the object you saw, but this may be a related incident. We received a call on Monday from someone near the Lake Morris area in the Cairns vicinity. [D.A.: Lake Morris is a manmade lake, being the pit of Copperlode Mine, a former copper mine. It's AKA Copperlode Dam, its Cairns main watersupply and is situated on the hills behind my house.] Three orange objects were seen on Saturday 7th September, 2002 at 10pm in the South-West sky by 7 witnesses. The three lights converged from different directions, formed a line, then took off in different directions. At no time did they appear to travel faster than a plane. They appeared to be at an altitude of about 10-15,000 feet and about 10kms away. The witnesses couldn't hear anything and they observed the objects for 5 minutes. The caller rang the Cairns Port Authority who told them there was a plane on it's way to Korea going overhead at 64,000 feet(?) but nothing else. Others had phoned the Port Authority reporting the sighting too." Lee ______________________ UFO Research Queensland www.briz.net/uforq/ uforq@briz.net ----- So that's 4 (if our double sighting counts as 2?), multiple witness sightings in less than 2 weeks in this region! It certainly seems we do have company in my part of the planet! :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:27:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to >>contend with. <snip> >>Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional >>publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera >>registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. >Maybe they just air-brushed it out so the flag wasn't "defaced". >After all, it was a Gov't project. I seem to remember something >about this, but not the details [as in the debunking]. Got an >URL? Hi Bob, Don, everyone! In regard to this item on UFO UpDates, I shared some anecdotical evidence below with Kenny Young and a few others that suggests to me there are a lot of important things un-told about the manned lunar landings in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the public is still unaware of. Although I am not among those who believe that Aldrin and Armstrong did not actually land and walk on the surface of the Moon (the third member of Apollo 11 is on record that the photo of him spacewalking during his Gemini space flight that was published in his book is a fake), here is another story which may cast some doubts. Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:03:09 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:28:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 >From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:51:12 -0400 >Subject: Re: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:35:47 +0200 >>Subject: Offically Released Documents Support MJ-12 Authenticity >>Received this one from www.majesticdocuments.com >>Stig >Here we go again. More bull on top of the last load of bull, >new guys jumping on the gravy wagon. Nick how could you? >Of course, the CIC officers at 4th AF did not talk to Arnold in >June. In fact AF HQ did not get around to ordering interviews >until July. The fabricators can't even get their facts straight. >Nothing new here. They have been caught so many times with their >pants down, that it is a wonder anyone sitll listens to this >bunk! >Jan Aldrich You mean you don't believe implicitly in MJ-12 documents that show up anonymously in the mailbox of a known purveyor of fake documents? You must be part of the cover-up! (-: Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Mantell Again - Connors From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:51:05 -0600 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:33:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Mantell Again - Connors >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:01:42 EDT >Subject: Mantell Again >Yesterday I lucked out and saw one of the Sightings pieces on >Mantell. Talk about spin and misrepresentation. But of course >they wanted it to sound mysterious. But had they read the Air >Force file on the case carefully they would have had the >answers to a couple of questions but instead they wanted to >point out that Alfred Loedding patented a "tailless" aircraft >that had a somewhat circular shape suggesting, I suppose, that >he "stole" the design from the craft seen over Kentucky. Kevin & All, I believe you are very correct about "spin" being used to allege that Alfred Loedding's Low Aspect Design, was somehow from the Mantell incident in the 'Sightings' TV program. Nothing could be further from the truth. As some of you know who have read Mike Hall and my book on Alfred Loedding (Alfred Loedding and the Great Flying Saucer Wave of 1947 and shorter article in the IUR), Loedding's design was accomplished before the Mantell incident and based upon his interpretation of discs sighted from mid-1947. Loedding's design was reviewed in 1948 by Maj. Gen. George McDonald and the documents exist showing that McDonald and Air Force Intelligence was deeply interested and concerned regarding the flying disc phenomenon. Loedding's design was not patented until 1948. It was conceived before the Mantell incident and a model of this disc was tested and flown successfully at Wright Field in 1947. Mike and I have done extensive interviews with the Loedding family and Loedding's sons over many years. Alfred Loedding was a man ahead of his time with involvement of Low Aspect Ratio designs. He was friends with Dr. Robert Goddard, Dr. Alexander Lippisch (who used to come to the Loedding home almost every Sunday for dinner and discussions) and Loedding was producing designs and models of rocket powered aircraft long before World War II. Loedding was, in fact, the first civilian head of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). Loedding was most impressed with the aeronautical capabilities of the flying discs being reported. He went so far as to design such models and tested them. They flew and flew well. Loedding was, by all accounts, an aeronautical genius. He also suffered the scorn such people often face and was relegated to a mere footnote in history until 30+ years later. The object observed by Capt. Mantell was not the model from the mind of Alfred Loedding. To suggest such is nothing more than sheer nonsense by psuedo-authorities. Wendy Connors
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:31:19 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:36:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:45:05 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic ><snip> >>Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to >>contend with. >Hi Don: >Strange flip there, huh? >>Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional >>publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera >>registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. >Maybe they just air-brushed it out so the flag wasn't "defaced". >After all, it was a Gov't project. I seem to remember something >about this, but not the details [as in the debunking]. Got an >URL? Hi Bob, Naw - too many pics like that. Not only flags but struts and test equipment as well. What was the point? Sun backlit shots with illuminated details in the front with no flash available. Shadows at different angles. They were most likely shots made to enhance NASA's image by compositing. Promo shots. Hey it's done all of the time. They needed a particular shot for promotional purposes so they made up some in the photo lab. Re one of many URLs-go to: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/moon01.htm But I originally saw some of this stuff on Fox. Unfortunately NASA lost - as did the rest of us - when the Moon program was discontinued. The shutdown of the Avro Arrow program, the cancellation of the Moon shots, Star Trek and the Brady Bunch - sad times. Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - From: Will Bueche <wbueche@centerchange.org> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:39:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - I think I'm learning how to format these responses at last! >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man <snip> >Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. I'm not a fan of Greer, but, are we getting a little over- enthusiastic with disparaging people? I've never met anyone who viewed alien encounters as entirely benevolent, yet I'd have expected to considering I work for John Mack. Do such people really exist, or is this just an effort to be divisive? I'm aware the "contactee" movement in the 1950s was all about alien beings who brought messages of the need for peace and love. But if there's a similar movement today, I haven't seen evidence of it. Oh there's always one or two such people, but is there really such a huge movement that we have to react to it as if it existed? Why get polarized? I'd suggest that most people aren't so polarized. I'd say that most people who have nice alien encounters are open to the idea that there are probably some aliens who aren't warm and fuzzy. Indeed, one idea I liked (I liked it because it was creative and showed that the subject is being thought about, not because I felt it was right or wrong) was that the greys aren't all alike; that being from somewhat out-of-time as we know time, greys from their distant past as well as greys from their future are around, and the ones who act like jerks are the ones from the past who lack the sort of empathy with humanity that the nicer greys presumably developed over a few hundred years of contact. But that is just one of many ideas that shows people are aware that people have different experiences. The more common idea is that there's many different races visiting, and some are warm and fuzzy (once you get to know them) and some are cold. Clearly the idea is bandied about a lot; don't sell people short. Sorry if this came across as a tsk tsk. If it came across that way, rest assured I can be hypocritical. Unrelated to the above, but in regard to your guessing what skeptics will come up with, how about this? About this particular situation - from the skeptical point of view: The non-UFO possibilities which the autopsy will rule in or out could include: did this deer hunter climb up onto the electrical tower to sit and wait for a deer, and was he simply electrocuted? If so, was the "glowing light" that may have been seen simply this man being toasted? No UFO at all, just a man who chose a stupid perch for hunting? Did he eat some bad berries and freak out, strip, and run semi-naked through the woods till he died of exposure as LSD trippers sometimes do - and was the anonymouse UFO sighting just garnish added by someone who wants to believe in UFOs so desperately that they'll claim they saw the guy after reading about his death in the newspaper? Or was he tripping out and fired his weapon at the electrical tower, causing a shower of sparks and such (better climb the tower and look for buck shot)? Then there's foul play, too. Tons of possibilities that must be considered when all there is is an anonymous person who says they saw a light.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:57:28 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: The Oberg Challenge >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >so, what if anything were the results? >The Smear article begins: >After the recent semi-public meeting held in Washington, D.C. by >Dr. Steven Greer's CSETI organization, well-known UFO skeptic & >space expert Jim Oberg of Dickinson, Texas released the >following open letter to Dr. Greer. Please read this letter very >carefully, especially the final two paragraphs. Here we see >strong hints about some currently classified matters that could >shed a great amount of light on the real UFO Mystery. Says >Oberg: >"...I am a lifelong UFO buff, a founding fellow of CSICOP, and >long time associate of Phil Klass, as well as a colleague and >friend of J. A. Hynek from Northwestern days. I am fascinated >with the folklore aspects of the UFO beliefs in our culture, and >am a specialist in spaceflight operations, both American and >Russian... >I applaud CSETI's efforts to strip away the 'government secrets >prosecution' barrier to the disclosure of people's stories about >UFO experiences and I fully support the call for a government >declaration that all legal constraints against disclosure be >dissolved. I've always felt that claims of fear of such >prosecution, as an excuse by people not to 'go public', was >often merely a gimmick not to have to take responsibility for >the authenticity of such stories. As far as I've been able to >tell... nobody has ever been arrested or charged - much less >convicted and sentenced - for actually doing so. >But don't stop merely with legalizing disclosure of all - if >any - government secrets about 'real UFOs'. I believe there is a >far more valuable body of 'secrets' that will help understand >the decades of UFO phenomena that the world has experienced. >This deals with government-related activities which directly or >indirectly led to public perceptions that UFOs might be real >when they weren't. Sometimes these actions were carefully >orchestrated in advance; sometimes they were localized impromptu >ad hoc damage-limitation tactics. But from my own experience, >they seem to have played a tremendous and widely unappreciated >role in inciting and enflaming public interest in UFOs while >deflecting public attention from real highly-classified >government activities. >I'm referring to situations where government representatives - >officials, military officers, etc. - used 'UFO' as a convenient >camouflage for other official classified activities (such as >retrieval of crashed aircraft or nuclear weapons or other >objects), or used artificial 'UFO stories' (in oral, written, >photographic, film, etc. form) as 'tracers' in studying the >function of security safeguards and personnel psychological >responses; or used 'UFO' as an excuse (either intended or >accidental) to cover up improper, forbidden, or diplomatically >delicate activities (such as aviation incidents involving >dangerous accidental or deliberate close passes or intercepts of >civilian airliners; or overseas excursions of agents on >intelligence missions where deflection of local perceptions was >useful; or to conceal from the country of origin the possession >of foreign military hardware); or played pranks and jokes on >intended or accidental targets; or any other activity that the >government - or any part of it - wanted to keep hidden, knowing >that having it thought of as 'UFO-related' would consign it to >the never-never-land of myth and nuttiness, thus keeping >mainstream media attention to a minimum. And it has worked! >Please include such 'UFO secrets' in your list of disclosure >demands, and ask that any government personnel involved in the >use (or misuse or abuse) of such practices be immune from any >government prosecution for the actions which led them to take >such measures. Once such immunity is verifiably granted, I have >my own list of people who have privately talked to me over the >years and who were involved in government activities leading to >a number of well-known 'UFO cases', which can be released and >which can help the public understand where and how much of >today's UFO mythology originated. >"This is a serious proposal deserving of serious consideration, >and promises immensely fruitful results." >End extract from Saucer Smear Hello Jim, Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his allegations through people who have had the clearances and a need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's claim.` If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that whistle blowers who release classified material do not get prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and the public. To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his claims. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 37 From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:43:56 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:22:56 -0400 Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 37 Posted on behalf of Joseph Trainor. <Masinaigan@aol.com> ========================== UFO ROUNDUP Volume 7, Number 37 September 10, 2002 Editor: Joseph Trainor http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ MUHNOCHWA STRIKES AGAIN IN INDIA "In the hands of Hollywood, this would be a movie. Having duped villagers, officials and scientists alike, Muhnochwa (Hindi for Face Scorcher --J.T.), it seems, has jumped over UP (India's state of Uttar Pradesh) borders into the hills of Uttranchal (state). And, in the process, the insect/ET/Pak (Pakistani) concoction has added a new stellar dimension; a cosmic green light streaking across the dark night sky." "Yesterday night (Monday, September 2, 2002) the 'light' appeared over a large stretch in the Terai area of Kumaon, and had the same effect Muhnochwa has been having in UP. Many people reported a burning sensation, and there were more than a dozen injuries." "Villagers say it was a dark night, and, around 8 p.m., in Khatima, Sitarganj, Kichha, Kashipur, Jaspur and Maldwani in Udham Singh Nagar district, they saw a bright green, rod-like light streak across from the west to the east. In villages where there was no power loss, the light could be seen more clearly for 20 seconds." "Arvind Bisht of Ramnijaswa village says he was sitting in his courtyard when he was 'dazzled' by it." "In Punnapur village, near Khatima, two girls, Ruby and Ramita, fainted. So did Sunita, who also reported a burning sensation in the face." "Others too called in with similar complaints. Someone mentioned Muhnochwa, and the others fired into the air." "As usual, scientists say they have an explanation, and, as usual, it is too mundane to find an audience. Dr. Ramsagar, director of the State Observatory at Mainital--which could not record the event because the sky was hazy--says it may have been a meteor and then burned on entering the earth's orbit." "'It may have burnt longer and emitted a bright light,' he feels." "On the 'injuries' some people received, Dr. Ramsagar says they may have been hit by small meteor stones, which break off and fall and are hot. A journalist at Kichha Mahid Khan told The Indian Express a small burning stone had fallen near him." (See The Indian Express for September 3, 2002, "Muhnochwa: Now Uttranchal sees UP signs," page 5. Many thanks to Prasant Solomon, UFO Roundup's correspondent in India, for this newspaper article.) UFOs AND A CROP CIRCLE REPORTED IN KAZAKHSTAN "The discovery of a strange circle in a garden in the city of Zhitkaya in northern Kazakhstan put the place on alert. Experts are studying the trail of an alleged UFO." "When the owner of one of the gardens located on Aerdromnaya Street in Zhitkaya," in Kazakhstan's Qostanay region, "went out in the morning to her front yard, she could not believe her eyes." "All that was left of the spot where a vegetable garden grew, in the shade of a leafy apple tree, was a perfect circle measuring 2 meters (6 feet, 6 inches) in diameter. What was left of her vegetables was stamped into the ground." "The 60-year-old woman pointed out that the parties responsible for creating the circle were 'aliens'...which is exactly what she told Zhitkaya police officers, who had already been alerted to several UFO sightings the previous day (Monday, September 2, 2002)." "The woman's neighbors rejected any doubts about her sanity. A sign of the seriousness with which the Kazakh authorities are treating the case can be seen in the immediate dispatching of a team of experts to the city to study this 'X-File' of the Central Asian steppes." (See the newspaper El Norte of Mexico City for September 4, 2002, "Mysterious circle in Kazakhstan raises questions." Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y Rafael Garcia para eso articulo de diario.) DARK DIAMOND-SHAPED UFO PHOTOGRAPHED IN FRANCE On Monday, September 2, 2002, at precisely 12 noon, Scott Turner was in the town of Tenteniac, near Rennes, in the department of Ille-et-Vilaine, France, about 225 kilometers (135 miles) west-southwest of Paris, when he spotted a UFO. "I was facing east," Scott reported, "The object appeared while I was taking a digital photo of a military plane. I have the photos of the UFO on my computer at 300 pix sq. in., and the object can be seen and enlarged to a high degree. No birds were in the air at the time." "The object followed the plane out of visual range over the farm fields. We didn't realize we had the picture until we downloaded the data onto our PC, and there it was." Scott described the UFO as "a matte black diamond shape flying at 500 to 700 feet (150 to 210 meters) at over 200 miles per hour (320 kilometers per hour). The temperature was 75 degrees Fahrenheit, no clouds, visibility good." (Email Form Report) CALF FOUND MUTILATED NEAR SANTA ROSA, ARGENTINA "At midday yesterday (Monday, September 2, 2002), a mutilated calf was discovered on the El Globo farm, which is owned by the Berazategui family, located just west of the Health Works," near Santa Rosa, in La Pampa province, Argentina. "A farm employee named Leiciza reported the case to the Second Section of the La Pampa police, and police commissioner Fabian Alem visited the crime scene to observe the carcass." "The police told El Diario that the victim was a calf that had been born the previous day (Sunday, September 1, 2002) and appeared dead from a large number of strange incisions, similar to those that have been attributed by the authorities to the red-muzzled mouse." "Also found were 'strange circular cuts with burnt edges, on the left side of the roof of the mouth, and the calf was missing its tongue, testicles, the navel and an ear.' They also found cuts on the belly." "A local veterinarian examined the carcass of the animal, whose posterior was completely incinerated. The last cattle mutilation in this area occurred a month and a half ago." (See the Argentinian newspaper El Diario de Santa Rosa for September 3, 2002, "Calf found mutilated." Also OVNIs y Mutilaciones #47 for September 4, 2002. Muchas gracias a Norberto Mollo y Nedda Mollo para eso articulo de diario.) BLUE-WHITE UFO SIGHTED IN SOUTHERN SPAIN On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, "around 9:45 p.m., L.L.R. was heading back toward Sevilla," a large city in southern Spain, "after spending a day working in the Sierra de Hueva (mountains). The witness was driving along the road belonging to the now-defunct Boliden- Apirsa Mining Company when he saw a light in the distance that appeared to be crossing the road." "'As I approached, I thought it might be a motorcycle, and that it would stop at the crossing to yield,' he told" Spanish UFO investigators. L.L.R., "believing that the light belonged to a normal vehicle, did not slow down, but was struck by the bluish-white hue of the light." "When he was some 30 meters (100 feet) away from the object, he realized that the 'thing' appeared not to be aware of his presence. 'I kept getting closer, and, when I saw that it had no intentions of braking, I flashed it with my high-beams (headlights--J.T.) without slowing down. Next thing I knew, the thing was right in front of my car.'" "'I collided against it and turned away, expecting an impact, but it didn't occur. There was only an explosion of multicolored lights.'" "'I got out of the car to see what happened, but there was nothing on the road! No accident, no casualties, nothing whatsoever! I became hysterical. I scoured the length of the road and even looked under my car, but found no traces of glass or other materials, and, of course, there were no casualties, either.'" "Although the witness failed to find any signs of impact, the hood ( bonnet in UK--J.T.) of his car showed signs that something had indeed made contact with the vehicle. 'I thought that if I collided with something, the front of the car would be very damaged,' admitted L.L.R., 'But when I looked, there was nothing, only some sort of thick water that vanished upon touching it...nothing more. I thought I was going to pass out, but I am glad not to have run anyone over. I returned to Sevilla as calmly as I could, but I did have trouble starting the car, and the battery refused to work.'" Ufologists investigating this case believe the incident happened in a rural area outside Aznacollar, near Sevilla. (Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales, Rafael Garcia, Jose Manuel Garcia Bautista y Rafael Cabello para eso caso.) LUMINOUS UFO SEEN NEAR CONCEPCION, CHILE "The UFO recorded on Monday night (September 2, 2002) by a Cronica reporter in the Los Lirios de Concepcion sector, which was also witnessed in various other locations, is thought-provoking. The video recording of the object was made using a Samsung camera, and it clearly shows a solid-looking object which remained suspended several meters over the crest of Cerro Carracol (hill) for a number of minutes." "The object was first seen at around 9:25 p.m. and remained at the site for some ten minutes. The object was somewhat larger than a star and smaller than a light bulb, and was at 20 degrees elevation." "The night was completely clear, and it was indeed possible to see the stars. Even Venus, the planet habitually mistaken for a UFO, was slightly visible--on the opposite side of the celestial dome (sky--J.T.)." "The alleged object remained static (stationary) throughout the time it remained at that location, giving the impression of brushing against the treetops, but it later diminished gradually in size, creating the effect of a candle being blown out. Oddly enough, when it was no longer visible at Los Lirios, it remained visible above the Avenida Los Carrera, where it was seen for a few minutes more." "The Carriel Sur airport records practically no information regarding the strange and unexplained object in the sky. According to Juan Gomez, the airport's director of operations, at the time when the startling event was recorded--at around 9 p.m.--there was commercial air traffic from the south, specifically from Temuco. Consulted about a reasonable explanation, (Gomez) the air traffic controller, agreed that he could only think of some heavenly body," such as Venus. "Erika Vasquez was one of the people who saw the suggestive light. According to this resident of the Collao sector, her daughter called her by phone, asking her to look at the object through the window." "'I went up to the second story of my house and saw it to the left of some new buildings at around 9 o'clock at night,' said the woman, who went back upstairs after a while to continue her observations but on this occasion could only see part of the object, since trees covered some parts of the object." "'I was dumbfounded when I saw it,' she remembered." "A resident of the barrio Santa Sabina (neighborhood)--who wishes to remain anonymous--also witnessed the shining object at around 9:30 p.m., as he noted, when he went out to buy a drink at a store close to his home. As he walked, he saw a mysterious source of light to the southwest which under no circumstances could be mistaken for a star, he said, noting that the body's luminosity and size was larger than that of a star, believing that it could be some planet visible during the early hours of the evening. However, he paid no further heed.'" (See the Chilean newspaper Cronica for September 4, 2002, "The mystery of a 'Strange Visitor' in the Chilean night sky." Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y Gloria Coluchi para eso articulo de diario.) (Editor's Comment: And now for something a whole lot scarier than a luminous UFO in South America!) MAN IN BLACK RAIDS UTAH NERVE GAS FACILITY "An Army depot" in Tooele, Utah (population 22,502) "where nerve gas and other chemical weapons are stored sounded a terrorist alert Thursday," September 5, 2002, "after a possible intruder was reported." "One person was spotted within the heavily-guarded perimeter" of the U.S. Army storage depot, located southwest of Salt Lake City. The intruder's presence began "touching off a search," according to Sheila Culley, a spokesperson at the Deseret Chemical Depot." (Editor's Note: Deseret was the original name given to Utah by the settlers from the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, also known as the Mormons. The word means honeybee.) "Four hours later, the trespasser, apparently dressed in dark clothes, had not been caught, authorities said." "In Washington D.C., a senior (Bush) administration official speaking on conditions of anonymity, said there was no evidence that anything was stolen or that terrorism was involved." "The possible intruder was spotted about a mile from the incinerator used to destroy the chemical weapons, said Chris Kramer of the Utah Department of Public Safety." Tooele County "Sheriff's deputies set up a roadblock around the depot after the alarm sounded at 9:24 a.m., and state law officers (of the Utah Highway Patrol--J.T.) used a helicopter to search the grounds. There was no immediate evacuation of the depot or surrounding areas." "The depot, which is about 45 miles (72 kilometers) southwest of Salt Lake City, covers 19,000 acres of mostly barren, windswept desert dominated by sagebrush (Artemisia to you botany majors--J.T.) and stores chemical weapons such as nerve gas and mustard gas. It has been destroying a stockpile of chemical weapons since 1996." (See the Washington Post for September 6, 2002. Many thanks to Loren Coleman for this newspaper article.) MORE UFOs SIGHTED IN CENTRAL CANADA UFO sightings are on the increase in Canada's central province of Ontario. On Saturday, August 31, 2002, the Steed family was camped out near Bruce Mines, Ontario (population 653), a small town 30 miles (48 kilometers) southeast of Sault Sainte Marie, when they had a UFO encounter. "It was at a holiday campground," Mrs. Lynn Steed reported, "We were staying at a lighthouse converted to a resort cabin. There were four of us. It was a very clear dark night, no moon. We spotted an object in the sky that at first looked like an airplane with flashing lights, in the northeastern sky, at approximately 20 degrees up from the horizon. We almost dismissed it, until I noticed that this object was not moving--it was stationary. There were two flashing lights, green and red, one on each side. As we looked more closely with a pair of binoculars, we noticed that there were three lights; green, white in the middle, and red on the other side." "The lights were flashing but it was not moving as an airplane would. It was in the same spot for a very long time. It did move once in a direction towards the southeast (towards Lake Huron--J.T.) very slowly. We had three reference lights on the horizon to compare it to, and also others such as the Big Dipper (Ursa Major--J.T.) and Cassiopeia." "As we watched, the object moved in different ways. It would suddenly start to streak like a lighted playstick and leaving a trail of green and red streaks behind it. Up and down, then side to side, and actually looked like one of those static balls that you can buy as a curiosity (piece)." "At other times it looked like a flat object in a sort of pyramid shape with three lights showing as green, white and red, and it appeared to be throbbing. We waited until about 12:30 a.m. or 12:45 a.m., and it was then flashing and appeared as a circle of fading light with a halo or corona around it. There was no noise." Bruce Mines, Ont. is on the north shore of Lake Huron's North Channel, located at the intersection of Provincial Highway 17 and Route 638. On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, J.B., a motorist driving "on Highway 401 between Kennedy and Victoria Park" in Toronto, Canada's largest city, reported seeing "a blue-green light larger than the stars shoot over my truck at about the height (altitude in the USA--J.T.) of a plane. The highway was long, so, when I got off at Victoria Park, I attracted the attention of another driver who had exited before me. He saw the same thing." (Email Form Reports) UFO PURSUES A PRIVATE PLANE OVER IOWA On Sunday, August 18, 2002, Marlene D. reported, "My husband and I were returning from Nashville, Tennessee enroute for southwest Wisconsin. We are both private pilots. We were flying an IFR (Instrument Flight Rules-- J.T.) flight plan and had been at 12,000 feet (3,600 meters) for most of the trip because of clouds. The Chicago Flight Center cleared us to descend from 12,000 to 5,000 feet (3,600 to 1,500 meters)." "During our descent of 500 feet (150 meters) per minute at around 140 knots, I looked back behind the right wing and saw a white light between the cloud banks and far in the distance. It appeared to me to be a landing light on a plane. I would say that when I first saw it, it was 5 miles (8 kilometers) or more away." "Within a few seconds, I could see it was getting closer at a great rate of speed. As it was the closest to us (approximately 1,500 to 2,000 feet away--M.D.) I could see (that) the large white light was all it was. There were no wingtips or taillights; there were neither wings nor body (fuselage). In fact, as the light descended roughly next to us, it was still a white light from the back." "This all happened in a matter of five to six seconds, from beginning to end. I felt it was on a collision course with us as we were descending into the same cloud it disappeared into. This happened at approximately 9,300 feet (2,790 meters) of altitude about 20 to 25 miles (32 to 40 kilometers) south of Dubuque, Iowa." "The (Chicago) ATC did not call us with info on another plane in our vicinity. The speed and path of its descent is not possible by any aircraft I am aware of. It had to travel five or six miles in a matter of five or six seconds. That's one mile per second!" (Many thanks to John Hoppe of UFO Wisconsin for this report.) (Editor's Note: "One mile per second" works out to an airspeed of 3,600 miles per hour or 5,760 kilometers per hour.) COLOR-CHANGING UFO SEEN IN PENNSYLVANIA On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 12:45 a.m., T.W. was at home in Grove City, Pennsylvania (population 8,024), 35 miles (56 kilometers) north of Pittsburgh. "I wasn't able to sleep, so I stayed up watching TV," he reported, "It was around 12:45 a.m. early Friday morning. I had to go to the bathroom and looked out the window. I watched a BIG bright white light in the distance, towards the northeast (Barkeyville, Pa.)." "As I looked at it, I noticed that it changed from white to red, then green. I went to the bathroom and decided to see if it was still there when I came out. It was still there, so I stayed for a brief period of time and watched it. It started to change color and was VERY bright. Brighter than any other object in the sky, including all the stars." Later the same day, T.W. told his roommate about the sighting, and that night they decided to have another look. He reported, "At around 12:30 a.m. on (Saturday) August 31 (2002), the light was there again. My roommate went to bed, but I decided to stay up and watch this strange bright light. It still changed from white to red to green, but this time I noticed it would sway to the right, then the left, then up and finally down. It did this for quite some time and then I decided to go to bed." T.W. and his roommate were waiting by the window on Sunday, September 1, 2002 at the same time--12:30 a.m.-- "but it hasn't been back at all." (Email Form Report) WOMAN SEES TRIANGULAR UFO IN NEW HAMPSHIRE On Monday, September 2, 2002, at 9:30 p.m., Stephanie P. was driving on Route 102 in Chester, New Hampshire (population 600) when she spotted an unusual light in the rainy sky. "Driving home from a visit to my parents in Pelham, N.H., I saw something," Stephanie reported, "I am such a skeptic the only thing I can think of is that it was a flying wing, but the problem is that it hovered in one area, rotated in the spot as if it were a triangular plate with lighted corners, spinning on a stick except very slowly, and then shot off at a speed that was...well, downright impossible." "It sounds bizarre, I know, but it happened." "The thing was hovering near the Rod and Gun Club of Chester, N.H. on Route 102 sometime around 9:40 p.m. It was raining out, so the sky was pitch (black), and the lights from that flying wing or whatever highlighted the tops of the trees and reflected off the hood of my 4- Runner and the rivulets of rain on the windshield." "At first I thought it was a plane and lights from the street, but a streetlight wouldn't be able to cast light into trees high above it. When it flew off so fast, I freaked. I am convinced the thing was an actual, palpable object. My boyfriend would not believe me if I told him, or try to explain it away. But I did see what I saw, and it was very real." (Email Form Report) From the UFO Files... 1914: ANGELS ON THE BATTLEFIELD Eighty-eight years ago, on August 23, 1914, a series of unusual paranormal events took place in a small town in western Belgium. Even today, they remain unexplained. It happened shortly after the outbreak of World War I. The British Expeditionary Force (BEF), commanded by Sir John French, had moved from France into Belgium in cooperation with France's armies. The Allies hoped to halt the rapid advance of the Kaiser's armies through the Low Countries. Instead, the BEF ran into a heavy artillery barrage. Lieutenant Bernard Law Montgomery of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment described what happened that day: "The Germans advanced...and began shelling us heavily...the fire was so heavy we had to retire as we had not time to entrench ourselves...We had to advance through a hail of bullets from rifles and machine guns and through a perfect storm of shrapnel fire...the whole air seemed full of bullets and bursting shells...the whole of the rest of the day we were heavily shelled by the Germans." (Editor's Note: The lieutenant, who in later life became known as Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, also known as "Monty," was the best-known and best-loved British general of World War II. Although fans of "Uncle Bill" Slim might give me an argument about that.) The BEF pulled back, withdrawing quickly through the woods on either side of the village of Mons, about 40 kilometers (25 miles) west of Namur. Late that moning, several units were cut off from the Allied columns. And that's when the strange apparitions began. Private Robert Cleaver was huddled behind a farm's stone wall with fellow soldiers from the First Cheshire Regiment. Peering around the wall's ragged edge, Cleaver could see a methodical line of mammoth explosions rhythymically tearing up the landscape. Shells from a battery of "Jack Johnsons," the Germans' much-feared 210- millimeter howitzers. The creeping barrage was coming straight towards them. At any minute, the big shells might come whistling down, blowing the stone wall--and them!--into dust and pebbles. The ground shook like an earthquake. The sounds of multiple explosions momentarily deafened Robert. Then he heard the other "Tommies" talking. "Blimey! We're done for now, ain't we?" "Hold your noise, mate. Seen worse than this on the Northwest Frontier." (now northern Pakistan--J.T.) "Who knows the words to Good Night, Ladies?" "What do I look like--a bloody Oxford don!?" And then he heard an awestruck voice. "Cor, look'ee there!" Turning, Robert saw a line of men coming out of the dark woods. They were soldiers--British soldiers, from the look of them--but soldiers who had not been seen on Earth in 500 years. They were medieval bowmen, and they were wearing garb dating back to the Hundred Years War. Chainmal shirts, dish helmets, steel breastplates, tassets and greaves, leather boots and quivers filled with arrows. Each man carried a large oakwood longbow in his left hand. The apparitions were colored white, and a faint luminous aura of the same colour surrounded them. Wide-eyed with amazement, Robert watched as the bowmen fanned out and formed a perfectly straight line right behind the huddled Tommies. Without even acknowledging the BEF men, the bowmen drew arrows from their quivers, nocked them to the string and stood ready, awaiting some silent signal. A blood-chilling sound intruded, the tearing-silk shriek of incoming artillery shells. German 210mm howitzer shells heading straight for them. As Robert cast a desperate glance at the bowmen, he heard a disembodied voice say, "Take your mark." As one the poised arrows lifted. The bowmen aimed at points in the smoky sky that only they could see. The voice sounded again. "Shoot!" The glowing arrows shot upward. Then, hundreds of feet above the forest, the sky suddenly erupted in a paroxysm of explosive fury. Each and every German shell exploded in mid-air. Buffeted by the blast vibrations, Robert thought it was like being caught outdoors in a July thunderstorm. The bowmen drew arrows again. This time they aimed at selected points within the forest. One by one, they fired, almost leisurely, and each time a luminous shaft sped unerringly through the trees into leafy darkness. And then, seconds later, an explosion blossomed above the trees, as yet another German 210mm howitzer was taken out. The last arrow created such a blast that oak and elm trees were tossed upward like matchsticks. "Ammo dump," commented the "Oxford don." Finally, one of the Tommies had the presence of mind to ask, "Who are you?" The bowman at the end of the line lifted his hand in farewell. And the apparitions vanished. "In September of the same year (1914), the (fantasy) writer Arthur Machen published a story called 'The Bowmen' in the London Evening News. In it, he told how struggling soldiers were saved from the advancing Germans by a vision of St. George and the bowmen of Agincourt," a battle fought in 1415 not far from Mons. "Although Machen's story was a piece of fiction, it was taken for fact by a number of readers and found its way as a true story into a number of magazines...When Machen told the press that he made the story up, many people refused to believe him." The controversy grew when British soldiers returning from the Western Front claimed to have actually seen "the angels of Mons." "An affadavit was sworn by Private Robert Cleaver of the First Cheshire Regiment that 'I personally was at Mons and saw the vision of Angels with my own eyes.'" One wonders if Machen "dreamed" the incident during an afternoon nap on August 23, 1914, thought it "a hell of a good story" and wrote it up for the editor at the Illustrated London News. It's possible that Arthur Machen had a bilocation experience, in which his astral self traveled to Mons and witnessed the appearance of the mysterious bowmen. (See Great Mysteries of the 20th Century by Tim Healey, Readers Digest Association Ltd., London, 1996, "The Angels of Mons," page 114.) And we'll be back next week with more on the Angels of Mons and the usual collection of UFO, Fortean and paranormal news from all around the planet Earth, brought to you by "the paper that goes home--UFO Roundup." See you then. UFO ROUNDUP: Copyright 2002 by Masinaigan Productions, all rights reserved. Readers may post news items from UFO Roundup on their websites or in news groups provided that they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue in which the item first appeared. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:11:23 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:25:42 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? - Rimmer >From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <gevaerd@ufo.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:46:44 -0300 >Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:00 +0100 >>Subject: Re: 'Signs' & Passo Fundo Brazil? >>>We have so many other hard evidences coming from hundreds of >>>very well documented cases, in Brazil and everywhere, that the >>>simple idea of getting back to the Trindade Island photos seem >>>absolutely out of place. Let'me move on. Many other "Trindade >>>Islands" are in Brazil and in all over the world. >>Absolutely nothing new here apart from a lot of indignation. Are >>there *no* Brazilian researchers who can present us with fresh >>facts? >Dear John: >Do you mean "fresh facts" about Brazilian Ufology or about the >Trindade Island Case? If it is about Brazilian Ufology, then we >have much new info. >About the Trindade Island Case, however, I am afraid that >nothing really new has surfaced lately, since just about >everything about it has already been released. As I feared. No new evidence is likely to come forward from Brazilian sources, so we will never know the names or read the statements of the alleged 48 (or 150) witnesses of this "multi- witness" case. Like so many others, it disappears into the mists of time leaving only rumours and unsubtantiated statements. Let us hope that the new evidence promised by Jerome Clark can shed a little light. John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK - Morris From: Eric Morris <bufosc@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:52:20 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:24:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK - Morris >From: Thiago L. Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:51:24 -0300 (BRT) >Subject: Exchange UFO Mag - USA & UFO Mag-UK >Hello friends, >I would like to exchange, monthly, the revista UFO Brasil >Magazine (Mr. A.J. Gevaerd is the editor) with UFO Magazine-USA >and UFO Magazine-UK. I also have material (videos, books, >magazines, official documents) to exchange. >If there is interest, please, contact me directly. >Regards >Thiago Luiz Ticchetti >EBE-ET Brasilia,Brazil Send me your address and I'll do it for you. Eric Morris British UFO Studies Centre UK
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:30:25 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:08 -0400 >>Subject: UFO UpDate: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>Source: Rense.com >>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>From Peter Davenport >>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>UFOCenter.com ><snip> >>If you need additional info for verification on anything contact >>me. (name deleted) >List: Hola Young Bob, All, You wrote: >That'll be easy! Notice that in the UFO stories, all of claimed >witnesses or reporters are anonymous. Everybody who reported >non-UFO news items to NUFORC, however, used their names. Ya know Bob, playing the Devil's advocate is one thing, but myopia and selective reasoning is something else altogether. You offered your 'jibe' at the fact that no names appear on UFO reports that are being circulated in public. But... it is also equally possible that many people who report UFOs also have families (mouths to feed) and jobs or careers that they must protect. You know, as in; witness protection. The police and the courts do it all the time. Because a witness is reporting a UFO event/sighting as opposed to a robbery or a rape, their right to protection from public harassment or intrusion into their private lives is no less valid. (In the case of affording UFO witnesses anonymity. Like it or not, there is tremendous stigma connected to the UFO phenomenon and those who report it. MacDonald was put under so much peer pressure in his time that he ended up taking his own life over it. The societal stigma and pressure is real and something so imposing and difficult to deal with that no one contemplating filing a -public- report should ignore it completely. I don't mind not seeing 'names' in initial 'public' reports of as yet uninvestigated UFO related cases. I enjoy hearing about them in a timely manner. As long as the investigator of the case knows who the principles are, and has taken the time to check them out during their own investigation process, the lack of names in the initial reports is of no real consequence. From my point of view it is completely understandable and not an 'issue.' >Sounds like wild local rumors. Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and _then_ pass judgement. What you are doing here is pre-judging the case. You know, expressing a prejudice as opposed to a conclusion that was arrived at after all the facts were in hand. If you're going to venture guesses then they should rightfully be labelled and identified as such in your original post submission. I do it all the time. It's easy, just preface your remark by stating clearly that what follows is pure speculation on your part. You'll avoid a lot of misunderstanding and bickering that way. Unless 'bickering' and 'debate' _is_ the whole raison d'etre for your posts to UpDates. After all, some poor dolt may come along, read your pontifications, and think that you actually _know_ what you're talking about. We wouldn't want that to happen now, would we? ;) Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Oberg Challenge -Ives Lewis From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:33 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge -Ives Lewis >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: The Oberg Challenge >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >so, what if anything were the results? All, Mr. Oberg does supply us with valuable questions and ideas here. However, I find an inconsistency in this approach to the UFO question. Mr. Oberg notes his association with Klass, who not only denies that there is even a "shred" to support the ETH, but who also maintains that the government is too lousy at keeping secrets for much in the way of secret knowledge or programs involving the existence of UFOs. This of course ignores our country's long history of secret-keeping, and of the many non- UFO related areas of great secrecy and classification that are maintained to this day. Our government is in fact very good at keeping certain kinds of secrets. Anyone to wishes to challenge that assertion may promptly disclose the status of long running black projects, the name of our overseas intelligence operatives, the purpose and function of all of our military satellites, and so on. The incorrect claim that our government can't keep secrets is aimed squarely at the largely uninformed public who has been spoon-fed stories of government incompetence for decades. Our entire national security apparatus depends on good secret-keeping. Yet while we have Klass denying the ability of our government to keep secrets, we have Mr. Oberg suggesting that our government is so good at keeping secrets that they're not even keeping the secrets that we think they're keeping. The secret information is SO secret that it goes beyond the UFO issue, which it turns out is a cover for still another layer of secrets that the government is keeping. So they are in fact so good at keeping secrets that they can create bogus secrets that keep people barking up the wrong trees for decades. Mr. Oberg's argument is also yet another broad, shotgun attack at the entire UFO arena. Create doubt about the subject matter instead of addressing specific incidents. I would be happy to take a number of cases from our history and try a practical application of Mr. Oberg's theory. On the other hand, knowledge of UFOs is so compartmentalized that large percentages of our military and intelligence structure are probably unaware of it, and may use the UFO issue as a ruse as Mr. Oberg suggests, possible with the secret blessing of those who really do possess the truth. Duncan Ives Lewis
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:53:47 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:39:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Speiser >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. I think I would too, if I were part of mankind's greatest accomplishment, and people didn't believe it.... ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:00:54 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:34:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to >>>contend with. >>>Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional >>>publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera >>>registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. >>Maybe they just air-brushed it out so the flag wasn't "defaced". >>After all, it was a Gov't project. I seem to remember something >>about this, but not the details [as in the debunking]. Got an >>URL? >Hi Bob, Don, everyone! >In regard to this item on UFO UpDates, I shared some anecdotical >evidence below with Kenny Young and a few others that suggests >to me there are a lot of important things un-told about the >manned lunar landings in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the >public is still unaware of. >Although I am not among those who believe that Aldrin and >Armstrong did not actually land and walk on the surface of the >Moon (the third member of Apollo 11 is on record that the photo >of him spacewalking during his Gemini space flight that was >published in his book is a fake), here is another story which >may cast some doubts. >Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. >Nick Balaskas Sorry Nick, but you just qualified for my S-list. What kind of totally unsupported nonsensical rumor is this? Either give us a name, something that can be checked, or stop purveying this kind of stuff. 'I believe I heard something one time from someone whose credibility is totally unknown.....' Please! - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:06:51 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:36:21 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Speiser >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 <snip> >>But don't stop merely with legalizing disclosure of all - if >>any - government secrets about 'real UFOs'. I believe there is a >>far more valuable body of 'secrets' that will help understand >>the decades of UFO phenomena that the world has experienced. >>This deals with government-related activities which directly or >>indirectly led to public perceptions that UFOs might be real >>when they weren't. Sometimes these actions were carefully >>orchestrated in advance; sometimes they were localized impromptu >>ad hoc damage-limitation tactics. But from my own experience, >>they seem to have played a tremendous and widely unappreciated >>role in inciting and enflaming public interest in UFOs while >>deflecting public attention from real highly-classified >>government activities. >>I'm referring to situations where government representatives - >>officials, military officers, etc. - used 'UFO' as a convenient >>camouflage for other official classified activities (such as >>retrieval of crashed aircraft or nuclear weapons or other >>objects), or used artificial 'UFO stories' (in oral, written, >>photographic, film, etc. form) as 'tracers' in studying the >>function of security safeguards and personnel psychological >>responses; or used 'UFO' as an excuse (either intended or >>accidental) to cover up improper, forbidden, or diplomatically >>delicate activities (such as aviation incidents involving >>dangerous accidental or deliberate close passes or intercepts of >>civilian airliners; or overseas excursions of agents on >>intelligence missions where deflection of local perceptions was >>useful; or to conceal from the country of origin the possession >>of foreign military hardware); or played pranks and jokes on >>intended or accidental targets; or any other activity that the >>government - or any part of it - wanted to keep hidden, knowing >>that having it thought of as 'UFO-related' would consign it to >>the never-never-land of myth and nuttiness, thus keeping >>mainstream media attention to a minimum. And it has worked! >>Please include such 'UFO secrets' in your list of disclosure >>demands, and ask that any government personnel involved in the >>use (or misuse or abuse) of such practices be immune from any >>government prosecution for the actions which led them to take >>such measures. Once such immunity is verifiably granted, I have >>my own list of people who have privately talked to me over the >>years and who were involved in government activities leading to >>a number of well-known 'UFO cases', which can be released and >>which can help the public understand where and how much of >>today's UFO mythology originated. >>"This is a serious proposal deserving of serious consideration, >>and promises immensely fruitful results." >>End extract from Saucer Smear >Hello Jim, >Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >claim.` >If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >the public. >To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >claims. Josh: I am returning to the field after a long absence, so I have not had a chance to follow up on this; the Smear article was my first exposure to it and my post here was for the purposes of seeing if any other action had been taken. I'd rather not deal with CSETI if it's avoidable. I've talked to Oberg once or twice before, and find him to be a fairly benign skeptic, though he parrots Klass to some degree he does tend to stick with his "specialty," NASA and space-inspired UFO reports. I would be willing to contact him and probe this challenge further, but I want to be sure that this has not already been followed up on. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:38:31 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported <snip> >>Sounds like wild local rumors. >Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and >_then_ pass judgment. What you are doing here is pre-judging >the case. Hi, John: You're absolutely right, John. I am. My _guess_ from the past 50 plus years of reports is that the following happened, in order of probability: 1) Wild rumors. 2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. 3) Foul play. 4) All or any two of the above. 5) The World's first proven abduction/murder by ETs. I'm willing to wait for the coroner's report. Clear skies, Bob Young "This definitely ranks a 9.0 on my weird stuff-o-meter" -- "Jay" (Will Smith), Men in Black, 1995
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:00:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - >From: Will Bueche <wbueche@centerchange.org> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:50 -0400 >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man >I think I'm learning how to format these responses at last! >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man ><snip> Hiya Will, All, First, let me say that I for one am glad that you've figured out EBK's formatting rules. It's great to have your voice on the List. Never hurts to have another 'take' on the any issue. :) Robert wrote: >>Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >>be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney >>ships and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, >>benovolent ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. You responded: >I'm not a fan of Greer, but, are we getting a little over- >enthusiastic with disparaging people? It's not "disparaging", Will. People are plenty mad at Dr. Greer and with just cause. If no one says anything about him or the way he conducts his business, then ufology as a whole will eventually degenerate into a wild west 'Dodge City' style affair where anybody can do or say anything with complete impunity. It's damn near that now! No good. Unacceptable under any circumstances. What we're dealing with here is too important and urgent a matter to allow such a condition to go unchecked. With no checks and balances in place. Because there is no oversight in ufology, we, the day-to- day participants in it, have to assume the responsibility for ensuring that the 'main-players' are keeping it honest. Just as we all become 'socialized' by our friends and family members as we are growing, people who assume leadership positions in the world of adults learn what their parameters and boundaries are by the publics response to them. (For the most part. There are always 'exceptions' to every rule.) Unfortunately Dr. Greer has turned a deaf-ear to the comments/ feedback and criticism of and by his peers. To the detriment of us all. Dr. Greer has committed some certified 'boners' and there is nothing wrong with people telling him just what they think. How else do we grow and learn? It's feedback Will, not disparagement. Without labelling it 'splitting' or 'disparaging' what you're getting here, from guys like Robert Gates, is an honest opinion from someone who has given the question some thought. It comes from folk who comment because they really care about the subject and the level of quality. Feedback/criticism, is 'allowed' and it's the kind of medicine we all need to help keep ourselves and all of our dealings honest and above board. It is not the 'splitting' or 'disparagement' that you perceive it to be. It is mid-course correction, and self-policing at its best. (When it's done by people who care and in the right spirit.) Enjoyed hearing your point of view. Hope we hear from you more often now that you've broken EBKs secret posting code. ;) Warm regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:46:57 -0400 Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth Source: BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm Stig *** Wednesday, 11 September, 2002, 12:56 GMT 13:56 UK New 'moon' found around Earth By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor ** An amateur astronomer may have found another moon of the Earth. Experts say it may have only just arrived. Much uncertainty surrounds the mysterious object, designated J002E3. It could be a passing chunk of rock captured by the Earth's gravity, or it could be a discarded rocket casing coming back to our region of space. It was discovered by Bill Yeung, from his observatory in Arizona, US, and reported as a passing Near-Earth Object. It was soon realised, however, that far from passing us, it was in fact in a 50-day orbit around the Earth. Paul Chodas, of the American space agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, says it must have just arrived or it would have been easily detected long ago. Calculations suggest it may have been captured earlier this year. Moon or junk? When he detected the object, Bill Yeung contacted the Minor Planet Center in Massachusetts, the clearing house for such discoveries, which gave it the designation J002E3 and posted it on their Near-Earth Object Confirmation webpage. Soon, however, the object's motion suggested it was in an orbit around the Earth. Its movements had all the hallmarks of being a spent rocket casing or other piece of space junk. But experts are not completely sure what exactly the object is. Observations made by Tony Beresford in Australia indicate that the object's position does not match any known piece of space junk. Observations made in Europe have failed to see any variations in brightness that might be expected from a slowly spinning metallic object. Paul Chodas says the object must have arrived quite recently or else it would have been easily detected by any of several automated sky surveys that astronomers are conducting. Its trajectory suggests that it may have been captured in April or May of this year, but there is still some uncertainty about this. If it is determined that J002E3 is natural it will become Earth's third natural satellite. Earth's second one is called Cruithne. It was discovered in 1986 and it takes a convoluted horseshoe path around our planet as it is tossed about by the Earth's and the Moon's gravity. =A9 MMII
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Mysteries Magazine - The Official Website From: Mac Tonnies <macbot@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:50:18 -0400 Subject: Mysteries Magazine - The Official Website Mysteries Magazine, a new paranormal venue, is taking shape! http://www.mysteriesmagazine.com If anyone has any questions about the magazine not addressed on the website, please feel free to contact me at macbot@yahoo.com. And yes, we review books. Have something interesting you want to share with the world? Send it to: Mac Tonnies Assistant Editor Mysteries Magazine 105 Ward Parkway #900 Kansas City, MO 64412
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Greer [was: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:39:56 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:58:00 -0400 Subject: Greer [was: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of >From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:53:33 -0400 >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA ManReported >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>Source: Rense.com >>>>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>>>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>From Peter Davenport >>>>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>>>UFOCenter.com >><snip> >>>(If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to >>>explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter >>>'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. >>>Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the >>>death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start >>>paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. >>>I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by >>>something other than a UFO contact. The implications are >>>terrifying and mind-numbing. >>John, >>Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >>be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >>and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >>ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. >>The take from the skeptibunkers will be something along the >>lines of the farmer saw (choose one or all of the following): >>Venus, weather balloon, clouds, hoax and or It was part of >>some scheme by person or persons as yet unknown, and somehow >>someway, the family will benefit, either by a life insurance >>policy, or something like that which in the skeptibunker mind is >>instant proof that that it was not UFO related. >>If the skeptibunkers can't readily explain it away with the >>usuall crop of suspects we will hear how this case has some >>interesting aspects and how they suspect (this or that theory) , >>but just can't prove it yet, blah blah blah. Hiya Jan, You wrote: >No wait, it is even worst than that. Corso is on Greer's Witness >List. Good trick to get him to testify. But what did Corso say? >Why, he is the savior of humanity. He is responsible for the >erection of a space based defense against the evil ETs. Now >that goes against Greer's benovolent ETs? Only Greer can do the >backward flips to rationalize this one. In front of Congress >that should be a great help. Please support the Disclosure >Project - a laugh a minute. Sad but true. We have to be careful though. There are many 'roses' buried in Greer's dungheap. It'd be a shame to lose some valuable resources/witnesses just because of Greer's taint. I hope that some of those people actually get to testify before Congress some day. I don't think it'll happen on Greer's watch however. He's way too busy orchestrating a three ring circus to have much energy left over to achieve anything of value. Especially in terms of bringing us any closer to Congressional Hearings. I understand that witness tape sales have been brisk though! ;) >Again, who are the real disinformation agents, why they are >right here among us. Another scary thought but oh, so true. You're on a roll today. Two for two. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:09:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:02:33 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >>In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >>events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >>provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >>history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >>(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >>In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >>following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >>that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >>'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >>as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >>anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >>so, what if anything were the results? >>The Smear article begins: <snip> >>End extract from Saucer Smear >Hello Jim, >Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >claim.` >If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >the public. Hiya Josh, You wrote: >To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >claims. Excellent suggestion. The only problem is; Oberg is a "hit and run" artist. Many of the folks on this List, Dick Hall, Jerry Clark, etc. have posed questions to Mr. Oberg that never get answered. Mr. O is very opportunistic that way. He 'pops' in to debunk some report or case, drops his poop, and disappears. Questions? He don't need to answer no stinking questions. He and his CSICOP cohorts can bask in the knowledge that they have _all_ the answers to Life, the Universe and Everything..... (Which, by the way, happens to be... 42!) I do wish you luck with this though. It would be nice to know how many UFO reports the gubbamint has been responsible for over the years. At least we could eliminate those cases from the blotter. Regards, John Velez, Galactic Hitch-hiker :) Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:09:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:02:33 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Velez >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >>In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >>events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >>provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >>history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >>(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >>In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >>following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >>that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >>'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >>as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >>anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >>so, what if anything were the results? >>The Smear article begins: <snip> >>End extract from Saucer Smear >Hello Jim, >Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >claim.` >If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >the public. Hiya Josh, You wrote: >To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >claims. Excellent suggestion. The only problem is; Oberg is a "hit and run" artist. Many of the folks on this List, Dick Hall, Jerry Clark, etc. have posed questions to Mr. Oberg that never get answered. Mr. O is very opportunistic that way. He 'pops' in to debunk some report or case, drops his poop, and disappears. Questions? He don't need to answer no stinking questions. He and his CSICOP cohorts can bask in the knowledge that they have _all_ the answers to Life, the Universe and Everything..... (Which, by the way, happens to be... 42!) I do wish you luck with this though. It would be nice to know how many UFO reports the gubbamint has been responsible for over the years. At least we could eliminate those cases from the blotter. Regards, John Velez, Galactic Hitch-hiker :) Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:10:22 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:33:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 11:00:19 -0400 >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There ><snip> >>>http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/09.05.02/biter-0236.html ><snip> >>>Science-fiction buffs and Roswell conspiracy theorists who've >>>been watching the skies were handed a small victory this summer, >>>when the scientific community announced the discovery of a solar >>>system remarkably similar to ours. >>I'm surprised that other "off the wall" segment of society >>called the scientific community, specifically astro-biologists >>and physicists, wouldn't be excited as well. >Nearly all the planets discovered orbiting nearby stars have >been "hot Jupiters" (i.e. large gaseous planets much closer to >the their star than Jupiter is to our Sun). Earth size >extrasolar planets orbiting much further away from their home >stars and located within the so-called habitable zone where >liquid water can exist have NOT been found. Because of inherit >limitations in the "wobble" technique used to detect most >extrasolar planets, much smaller Earth size planets cannot now >be detected. They will be found in the coming years using better >equipment and different techniques and then everyone, including >astro-biologists and physicists, will have good reason to get >excited. >We did have a false alarm a while back which excited me very >much when it was announced that there was a planet orbiting >around one of the two stars of Zeta Reticuli, one of stars in >the Betty Hill "Star Map" and the suspected home base for some >ETs which are visiting Earth. This discovery was withdrawn >shortly afterwards as premature. After I contacted Dr. Hatzes, >the co-discoverer of this false extrasolar planet, it was not >ruled out that smaller Earth size planets orbiting Zeta Reticuli >may exist. >>The piece goes on to ask the real nutballs, the creationists, as >>to what their opinion is. Who cares what some segment of society >>that bases their belief system on a work of fiction thinks. We >>damn near had one of these nuts offer up to lead this Canada. >>Imagine having the Prime Miniser of a country whose belief >>system embraces the world beginning only 6,000 years ago. >According to a friend and aide of a current Member of Parliament >and past Prime Minister of Canada, she found books about UFOs on >the shelves in his office! Another war-time Prime Minister, >Mackenzie King used to ask his mother, long since dead, for >advice. This week many university students and staff where I >work are celebrating Rosh Hashanah - the Jewish new year. Many >of them can provide sound "scientific" reasons why not to doubt >that 5763 years have passed since creation. Some may consider >these people and even us as nutballs too, but if they were not >too quick to judge, they may find there is a sound basis for our >madness. >>What's even scarier is that these simple-minded blockheads have >>the right to vote and raise children. >I would not be so harsh Don. Our parents, their parents and >their parents before them did a great job raising and educating >us. When it comes to science and what is truth, we are learning >all the time. Hi Nick, I agree, collectively our parents did a fairly decent job of educating us - perhaps better than the education system seems to be doing today.But our upbringing came with a lot of baggage too. Part of that is this continuation of an embracing of ignorance and then making it their mission to convince others of the truth of their theory. There are reasons why this can be successful - too many for discussion here, but a danger none-the-less. If these people want to use the creationist scenario as some kind of yard stick to indicate the actual billions of years that this planet has really been evolving, fine. But I'm not about to march back into the middle ages - or make room for anyone that believes this nonsense. There have been school boards in the states {believe one was Kansas] that were going to enforce this as the basis of the beginning of mankind and turn away from the evolutionary theory. That my friend is dangerous. Clarence Darrow made this point at the Scopes "Monkey Trial". There is no room for this myth in our progress into the future. Thousands of scientists have spent millions of man hours pushing back this curtain of darkness, challenging this myth, a myth I might add that helped to subjugate millions of people, disenfranchise most of the female population and put undisciplined power into the hands of a few for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, not to mention kill off countless millions into the bargain. It took a obscure reverend minister in England with guts, to look at the bible theory of the beginning of mankind, then look at some actual evidence and come up with his theory of evolution - which stands even now. If it gets knocked about a bit and remolded it will still be a process that begun billions of years ago - not 5763 regardless of what some Jewish elders or their students claim their scientific facts are. You mentioned: "Another war-time Prime Minister, Mackenzie King used to ask his mother, long since dead, for advice". Millions of people daily do the same thing either to their Christian, Muslim or Buddist deities - long dead. What's the difference? I am not trying to step on anybody's religion or their beliefs, Nick. That's not my aim. But if you are in a position of authority, you have no right to foist unproved theories based on a work of hearsay and unsubstantiated stories, on the children of this world, while they are still young and impressionable - between the ages of 2 and 5 or even ten years old when they don't question most things. In this case ideas that are diametrically opposed to fact. You mentioned belief in UFOs etc. I don't believe in UFOs, I study the phenomenon. It's not a religion as far as I'm concerned. Damned interesting but not a religion. The UFO field is not in a position of authority holding sway over the education and values of masses of children. But churches are - some of which teach this creationist dogma. Mind you some of these kids will smarten up as they grow up but many won't or didn't. Like Stockwell Day - a Canadian politician. Would you want someone like that controlling the Federal Budget, pulling funds out of scientific programs or universities that don't support his creationist view and possibly wasting funds on those that do? There are many things out there needing explanation. Some of them pop up in the bible - a selective book of fables and history - much of the latter purged during the 15th century to protect powerful interests. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 12 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:00:54 +0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:34:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:49:42 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>Apparently even skeptics have their own nutball brethren to >>>contend with. >>>Of course NASA didn't help much, manufacturing additional >>>publicity photos of the boys on the Moon. The "camera >>>registration graticules behind the flag" shot was a classic. >>Maybe they just air-brushed it out so the flag wasn't "defaced". >>After all, it was a Gov't project. I seem to remember something >>about this, but not the details [as in the debunking]. Got an >>URL? >Hi Bob, Don, everyone! >In regard to this item on UFO UpDates, I shared some anecdotical >evidence below with Kenny Young and a few others that suggests >to me there are a lot of important things un-told about the >manned lunar landings in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the >public is still unaware of. >Although I am not among those who believe that Aldrin and >Armstrong did not actually land and walk on the surface of the >Moon (the third member of Apollo 11 is on record that the photo >of him spacewalking during his Gemini space flight that was >published in his book is a fake), here is another story which >may cast some doubts. >Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. >Nick Balaskas Sorry Nick, but you just qualified for my S-list. What kind of totally unsupported nonsensical rumor is this? Either give us a name, something that can be checked, or stop purveying this kind of stuff. 'I believe I heard something one time from someone whose credibility is totally unknown.....' Please! - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:49:29 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:22:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - >From: Will Bueche <wbueche@centerchange.org> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:50 -0400 >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man >I think I'm learning how to format these responses at last! >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man ><snip> >>Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >>be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >>and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >>ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. >I'm not a fan of Greer, but, are we getting a little over- >enthusiastic with disparaging people? I've never met anyone who >viewed alien encounters as entirely benevolent, yet I'd have >expected to considering I work for John Mack. Do such people >really exist, or is this just an effort to be divisive? If you follow Greer and his people, the benevolent ET theory is literally hard wired through it all. At one point the suggestion was made if any abductee had a "negative" abduction experience, then he/she was in fact abducted by govt agents trying to make ET look evil..blah blah. <snip> >Indeed, one idea I liked (I liked it because it was creative and >showed that the subject is being thought about, not because I >felt it was right or wrong) was that the greys aren't all alike; >that being from somewhat out-of-time as we know time, greys from >their distant past as well as greys from their future are >around, and the ones who act like jerks are the ones from the >past who lack the sort of empathy with humanity that the nicer >greys presumably developed over a few hundred years of contact. >But that is just one of many ideas that shows people are aware >that people have different experiences. The more common idea is >that there's many different races visiting, and some are warm >and fuzzy (once you get to know them) and some are cold. Back in the eighties on UFO coverup live (an hour long interview on TV put on by Bill Moore, allegedly interviewing two govt insiders whose face were masked) it was claimed that Grey ET or ET's liked Strawberry icecream. Later on in the 90s, it was claimed that the Greys liked to guzzle Draino. I am not making that one up, but when it appeared I made the sage observation that I would hate to be around when they vomited the morning after a draino hangover. Needless to say I wasn't very popular. Of late on the List we have a story about how ET anal probes cure all manner of illness, cancer you name it. In essence over the years we go from icecream, to draino, to anal probes and I am not listing alot. I do recall seeing an article, or email or something like that that traced all the current crop of multiple raced ET's visiting earth back to either John Lears paper back in the 80s, and or the first "matrix" book. The whole subject of multiple ET races and underground bases got wide spread broadcast after those two. >Clearly the idea is bandied about a lot; don't sell people >short. Sorry if this came across as a tsk tsk. If it came across >that way, rest assured I can be hypocritical. >Unrelated to the above, but in regard to your guessing what >skeptics will come up with, how about this? About this >particular situation - from the skeptical point of view: Being a skeptic is one thing. Being a skeptibunker is another. >The non-UFO possibilities which the autopsy will rule in or out >could include: did this deer hunter climb up onto the electrical >tower to sit and wait for a deer, and was he simply >electrocuted? If so, was the "glowing light" that may have been >seen simply this man being toasted? No UFO at all, just a man >who chose a stupid perch for hunting? Did he eat some bad >berries and freak out, strip, and run semi-naked through the >woods till he died of exposure as LSD trippers sometimes do - >and was the anonymouse UFO sighting just garnish added by >someone who wants to believe in UFOs so desperately that they'll >claim they saw the guy after reading about his death in the >newspaper? Or was he tripping out and fired his weapon at the >electrical tower, causing a shower of sparks and such (better >climb the tower and look for buck shot)? Then there's foul play, >too. Tons of possibilities that must be considered when all >there is is an anonymous person who says they saw a light. I agree with you on that. Before gulliable believers go running around saying ET wacked somebody, we should have a copy of the police report, not to mention what the autopsy findings were. You realize that now the story is out, if the autopsy doesn't agree with the preconcieved notion that the dude got murdered by ET, then it will be claimed that the autopsy doctor was bought off/silenced/part of the coverup and on and on. On the other side of the coin, if the autopsy doesn't agree with the skeptibunker preconcieved notion and they actually find things that can't readily be explained, we will hear blather about the qualifications of the doctor, or (if the qualifications are in order) how if the body could have been sent to 5 other pathologists some proasic explaination would come out of it. Better yet something along the lines of how we can't quite explain it, but probably in 15 or 20 years technology or something will be available to explain it all away. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates From: Robert Gates RGates8254@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:55:02 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >>In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >>events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >>provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >>history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >>(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >>In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >>following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >>that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >>'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >>as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >>anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >>so, what if anything were the results? <snip> >Hello Jim, >Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >claim.` >If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >the public. >To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >claims. Quite honestly, I rated Oberg's claims and tales in the challenge in the same category as Hoagland's alleged and claimed insiders who told him that an ET space ship would land on a mountain top in Arizona in Dec of 2000. Bottom line if Jim Oberg is out there (hmm, "out there") I have been waiting for some alleged proof and evidence of these storys and claims over the years and haven't seen a thing. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:07:00 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:27:30 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:03:08 -0400 >>>Subject: UFO UpDate: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>Source: Rense.com >>>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>From Peter Davenport >>>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>>UFOCenter.com >><snip> >>>If you need additional info for verification on anything contact >>>me. (name deleted) >>List: >You wrote: >>That'll be easy! Notice that in the UFO stories, all of claimed >>witnesses or reporters are anonymous. Everybody who reported >>non-UFO news items to NUFORC, however, used their names. >Ya know Bob, playing the Devil's advocate is one thing, but >myopia and selective reasoning is something else altogether. You >offered your 'jibe' at the fact that no names appear on UFO >reports that are being circulated in public. But... it is also >equally possible that many people who report UFOs also have >families (mouths to feed) and jobs or careers that they must >protect. You know, as in; witness protection. The police and the >courts do it all the time. Because a witness is reporting a UFO >event/sighting as opposed to a robbery or a rape, their right to >protection from public harassment or intrusion into their >private lives is no less valid. (In the case of affording UFO >witnesses anonymity. Years ago I served as a law enforcement officer. Some people liked to give reports without attribution, and others gave names and everything. You could go to an accident site and you could take down a number of witness statements and go to others and 'nobody saw anything, nor did anybody want to get involved.....' Go figure. If a witness wants to remain annonymous, so be it. Before we hear some blather about that, consider newspaper quotes we see with regularity, such as "a high ranking official who does not wish to be identified said..." or "an official told us on the basis that he is not identified..." etc etc So whether its a UFO, or a high ranking government official, some folks don't want to be identified. It doesn't change the credibility factor. >Like it or not, there is tremendous stigma connected to the UFO >phenomenon and those who report it. MacDonald was put under so >much peer pressure in his time that he ended up taking his own >life over it. The societal stigma and pressure is real and >something so imposing and difficult to deal with that no one >contemplating filing a -public- report should ignore it >completely. >I don't mind not seeing 'names' in initial 'public' reports of >as yet uninvestigated UFO related cases. I enjoy hearing about >them in a timely manner. As long as the investigator of the case >knows who the principles are, and has taken the time to check >them out during their own investigation process, the lack of >names in the initial reports is of no real consequence. From my >point of view it is completely understandable and not an >'issue.' Although some people don't actually need to check anything out, because they have already made up their minds..... :) Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Colaw From: John Colaw <scarecrow@colaw.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:10:08 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:30:59 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Colaw >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >Source: BBC >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm >Wednesday, 11 September, 2002, 12:56 GMT 13:56 UK >New 'moon' found around Earth >By Dr David Whitehouse >BBC News Online science editor >An amateur astronomer may have found another moon of the Earth. >Experts say it may have only just arrived. <snip> Source: Spaceflight NEWS Alert http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0209/12apollostage/ NEWLY FOUND OBJECT COULD BE OLD APOLLO ROCKET STAGE --------------------------------------------------- An analysis of the orbital motion of the newly discovered object J002E3 indicates that it could be a leftover Saturn 5 third stage from one of the Apollo missions, most likely Apollo 12, launched on November 14, 1969. John Colaw
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:53:37 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth Stig, List: A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:55:32 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There <snip> >Hi Nick, >I agree, collectively our parents did a fairly decent job of >educating us - perhaps better than the education system seems to >be doing today.But our upbringing came with a lot of baggage >too. Part of that is this continuation of an embracing of >ignorance and then making it their mission to convince others of >the truth of their theory. There are reasons why this can be >successful - too many for discussion here, but a danger >none-the-less. >If these people want to use the creationist scenario as some >kind of yard stick to indicate the actual billions of years that >this planet has really been evolving, fine. But I'm not about to >march back into the middle ages - or make room for anyone that >believes this nonsense. There have been school boards in the >states {believe one was Kansas] that were going to enforce this >as the basis of the beginning of mankind and turn away from the >evolutionary theory. That my friend is dangerous. Clarence >Darrow made this point at the Scopes "Monkey Trial". There is no >room for this myth in our progress into the future. I would point out that some religious theorists are just as bad as the some in the scientific community for being full of drivial and myths that are accepted as fact. Recently we hear about alleged global warming and how the Antarctic ice sheet is melting, blah blah. Yet just within the past few days a new so called scientific paper is out that claims if anything Antarctic is getting colder and not warming up. Recently we have heard how scientists in Australia now claim that the speed of light is not constant and how electrons can in fact change charge which turns some of the cherished truths of Einstein on its head. For example we have 70s pronouncement that the entire scientific community is so worried about global ice age, then we cycled into the fact that all the so called learned scientifics were claiming global warming not cooling, then we had green house gases and so on. We have the enviros claiming that all scientific evidence points to the fact that man, and everything connected to man is destroying the planet. Other so called scientific studys and analysis point to different things. Time magazine reported in April 20th 1992 that in "the Netherlands... manure from pigs poses a major ecological threat, defiling water supplies with excessive nitrates and acidifying local soils. Sheep have permanently scarred the landscape in Spain and Portugal, while in India ... bovines are ravenous wraiths whose constant quest for food drives them to ravage standing forests." A scientific study in November 5, 1982 issue of Science reported that the estimated gross amount of CO2 produced by termites was more then twice the net global input from fossil fuel combustion." Further "Termites are a potentially important source of atmospheric methane: they could account for a large fraction of global emissions." The LA times reported on Nov 24 1991 that 'researchers had known for some time "that teees and shrubs in the LA Basin emit between 150 and 200 tons of hydrocarbons each day accounting for 14% of all hydrocarbon emissions in the region.." It goes on and on. You have the learned religious types who claimed Armageddon was at hand at pick your year and date from the 50s forward. As I recall Billy Graham said in an interview published in Life during the pacific high altitude nuke tests of the late 50s that Armageddon was at hand...no later then 1962. >Thousands of scientists have spent millions of man hours pushing >back this curtain of darkness, challenging this myth, a myth I >might add that helped to subjugate millions of people, >disenfranchise most of the female population and put >undisciplined power into the hands of a few for hundreds, if not >thousands, of years, not to mention kill off countless millions >into the bargain. Give me thousands of so called scientists and you can get thousands of so called scientific opinions on just about anything and all of them based on so called and alleged scientific evidence that was absolute, never to be doubted. Science and creationism is full of curtains of darkness. What is considered so called proven scientific fact now will be challenged and disputed 10 years from now. Likewise we will have new books, videos and movies that will be telling us why Armageddon will be happening at some point in the future, say 2006, or pick your year in the future. As I mentioned earlier, religious theorists are just as bad as the scientific community for being full of drivial and myths that are accepted as fact. That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull what and who you put your faith and trust into. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:22:57 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:57:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Gates >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:00:54 +0000 >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic <snip> >>Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >>chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >>the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >>island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >>story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >>bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >>After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >>by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >>didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >>this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >>fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. >>Nick Balaskas >Sorry Nick, but you just qualified for my S-list. What kind of >totally unsupported nonsensical rumor is this? Either give us a >name, something that can be checked, or stop purveying this kind >of stuff. 'I believe I heard something one time from someone >whose credibility is totally unknown.....' Please! The story is as reliable as the ones told by Hoagland's government insiders who told him that the ET spaceship was going to land on a mountain top in Arizona in Dec of 2000, and or the latest one about how the dude downloaded a photo from a web server at ASU, manipulated it, passed it on to Hoagland, who worked the photo himself, then claimed it was proof of a city on Mars. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:27:12 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:59:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Young >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:31:19 -0400 >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >Naw - too many pics like that. Not only flags but struts and >test equipment as well. What was the point? Sun backlit shots >with illuminated details in the front with no flash available. >Shadows at different angles. They were most likely shots made to >enhance NASA's image by compositing. Promo shots. Hey it's done >all of the time. They needed a particular shot for promotional >purposes so they made up some in the photo lab. >Re one of many URLs-go to: >http://users.erols.com/igoddard/moon01.htm >But I originally saw some of this stuff on Fox. Don: Thanks for the great URL, but I'm not sure that you read down far enough. It actually debunks all of these claims from the Fox program: "This simple test demonstrates that Apollo astronauts illuminated in shadow are not an "anomaly" but a predictable result of sunlight reflecting off the sunlit lunar surface", and "the alleged shadow "anomaly" in the previous Apollo photo is clearly a result of ground slant and therefore is not a genuine anomaly indicating fakery. Apollo skeptics cite other examples of shadow-direction "anomalies," all of those I've viewed are obviously a result of irregular ground slant." >Unfortunately NASA lost - as did the rest of us - when the Moon >program was discontinued. We certainly agree here. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Greer - Aldrich From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 4:55:11 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:09:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Greer - Aldrich >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:39:56 -0400 >Subject: Greer [was: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported] >>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:53:33 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA ManReported >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>>Source: Rense.com >>>>>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>>>>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>>From Peter Davenport >>>>>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>>>>UFOCenter.com >>><snip> >>>>(If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to >>>>explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter >>>>'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. >>>>Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the >>>>death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start >>>>paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. >>>>I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by >>>>something other than a UFO contact. The implications are >>>>terrifying and mind-numbing. >>>John, >>>Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >>>be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >>>and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >>>ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. >>>The take from the skeptibunkers will be something along the >>>lines of the farmer saw (choose one or all of the following): >>>Venus, weather balloon, clouds, hoax and or It was part of >>>some scheme by person or persons as yet unknown, and somehow >>>someway, the family will benefit, either by a life insurance >>>policy, or something like that which in the skeptibunker mind is >>>instant proof that that it was not UFO related. >>>If the skeptibunkers can't readily explain it away with the >>>usuall crop of suspects we will hear how this case has some >>>interesting aspects and how they suspect (this or that theory) , >>>but just can't prove it yet, blah blah blah. >Hiya Jan, >You wrote: >>No wait, it is even worst than that. Corso is on Greer's Witness >>List. Good trick to get him to testify. But what did Corso say? >>Why, he is the savior of humanity. He is responsible for the >>erection of a space based defense against the evil ETs. Now >>that goes against Greer's benovolent ETs? Only Greer can do the >>backward flips to rationalize this one. In front of Congress >>that should be a great help. Please support the Disclosure >>Project - a laugh a minute. >Sad but true. We have to be careful though. There are many >'roses' buried in Greer's dungheap. It'd be a shame to lose some >valuable resources/witnesses just because of Greer's taint. I >hope that some of those people actually get to testify before >Congress some day. >I don't think it'll happen on Greer's watch however. He's way >too busy orchestrating a three ring circus to have much energy >left over to achieve anything of value. Especially in terms of >bringing us any closer to Congressional Hearings. >I understand that witness tape sales have been brisk though! ;) >>Again, who are the real disinformation agents, why they are >>right here among us. >Another scary thought but oh, so true. You're on a roll today. >Two for two. Hi John, As we all know here at UpDates, I proposed that we vet the witnesses to Bassett. Remember? He was not interested. There is no excuse repeat, no excuse,to have witnesses like Salas put up with the likes of Clifford (57 varieties of aliens) Stone. If one is seeking a Congressional Hearing, then one has the duty to both Congress and Ufology to see that only the best and most reliable are called to testify. This silly smoke-screen the Disclosure supporters hide behind that they can't determine the truth to every claim is spurious and, in fact, in some of their own literature it is emphasized how careful they have been with their process. Hogwash. You can't have it both ways. Either to have the best and brightest or you are going to put all the garbage on the table and let Congress sort it out. If the latter, then you deserve no support from Ufology. My own thoughts are that Congressional Hearings are not the goal. If they were, one would want to make the best case possible, not present a bunch of mishagosh. One would carefully screen the witnesses and those whose stories having inconsistencies and the quality of war or beer stories would be eliminated. It might require that some outside experts on radar, etc., might have to be consulted or it might be, in the case of some of the witnesses, that some background checks be done. Some of these guys, like Stone, started out their ufological 'career' with rather modest claims, but over the year have increased their resume until they are the focal point of many famous UFO incidents. Sorry, I am not buying this and neither should Greer. _If_ the goal were to discredit the field of Ufofoly, then, you would want the good with the bad so that the bad taints everyone! Who are the real disinformation agents? Look around - or better yet, look at the first few minutes of the Disclosure film... are these out of context quotes and sound bite clips conveying the truth, or do they give a wrong impression? While the press constantly harps on how silly or stupid Congressmen are, which may be true - but I wouldn't want to bet on it - their staffs are not. And the staffs control the hearings and the questions that the Congressmen will ask. The inconsistencies and howlers will be pointed out with relish... if and that's a big IF, the Disclosure Circus ever gets it's hearings. I haven't even mentioned the flashlight waving. That is for another time. Jan Aldrich Project 1947 http://www.project1947.com/ P. O. Box 391 Canterbury, CT 06331 (860) 546-9135
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 'New Moon' Likely Space Junk From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:09:26 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:26:47 -0400 Subject: 'New Moon' Likely Space Junk So, it looks like Earth does not have a new "moon" after all. The latest analysis of the mysterious object called J002E3 suggests it could well be a leftover Saturn V rocket component from one of the Apollo lunar missions. The suspicious, fast-moving object was discovered on 3 September by Bill Yeung from his observatory in Arizona, US. Initial orbit calculations indicated that it was only about twice as far away as the Moon, and in orbit around the Earth. At first, astronomers were not sure whether the object was a passing chunk of rock that was captured by the Earth's gravity, or a piece of space junk. Now the mystery may have been solved thanks to a retrospective analysis of its movement through space. The object is most likely from the Apollo 12 mission, launched on 14 November 1969.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates From: Robert Gates RGates8254@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:55:02 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Gates >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >>In order to re-familiarize myself with some of the issues and >>events of the past few years, I've turned to a web resource that >>provides a reliable, concise, and credible accounting of UFO >>history through the '90s: the online version of 'Saucer Smear'. >>(I can hear Dick Hall cringing already :-) >>In one of the back issues, around 1997 or so, appears the >>following "challenge" from James Oberg, which seems to imply >>that he has 'inside knowledge' of a certain type of UFO >>'secret', wherein the government has 'used' the UFO phenomenon >>as a screen for other, more prosaic secrets. I wondered if >>anyone here can tell me, has this been followed up on, and if >>so, what if anything were the results? <snip> >Hello Jim, >Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >claim.` >If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >the public. >To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >claims. Quite honestly, I rated Oberg's claims and tales in the challenge in the same category as Hoagland's alleged and claimed insiders who told him that an ET space ship would land on a mountain top in Arizona in Dec of 2000. Bottom line if Jim Oberg is out there (hmm, "out there") I have been waiting for some alleged proof and evidence of these storys and claims over the years and haven't seen a thing. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:38:55 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >Stig, List: >A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the 3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's gravity..... Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:40:33 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0400 >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There ><snip> >>Thousands of scientists have spent millions of man hours pushing >>back this curtain of darkness, challenging this myth, a myth I >>might add that helped to subjugate millions of people, >>disenfranchise most of the female population and put >>undisciplined power into the hands of a few for hundreds, if not >>thousands, of years, not to mention kill off countless millions >>into the bargain. >Give me thousands of so called scientists and you can get >thousands of so called scientific opinions on just about >anything and all of them based on so called and alleged >scientific evidence that was absolute, never to be doubted. >Science and creationism is full of curtains of darkness. >What is considered so called proven scientific fact now will be >challenged and disputed 10 years from now. >Likewise we will have new books, videos and movies that will be >telling us why Armageddon will be happening at some point in the >future, say 2006, or pick your year in the future. >As I mentioned earlier, religious theorists are just as >bad as the scientific community for being full of drivial >and myths that are accepted as fact. >That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science >or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull >what and who you put your faith and trust into. One observation here Robert, You are talking predictions by scientists for the future of this planet's health while I'm referring to archeologists, anthropologists etc. reading the evidence of the past in the Earth's crusty layers. The Sun will rise tomorrow [probably] people will die tomorrow and I will pay through the nose for taxes tomorrow. That's predictable-the rest is up for grabs. But we can determine with a large degree of accuracy what happened in the past once all of the evidence is in. I think we have enough evidence to support evolution and the Earth's existence before 6,000 years ago. To think otherwise in face of the evidence is to conciously wallow in ignorance-and be proud of it. I wouldn't take advise from such people, be governed by such people nor do I want my children or grandchildren hanging around such people. To me this isn't a subject for argument anyway and a waste of time. My last on it. Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:04:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:43:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Ledger >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:27:12 EDT >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:31:19 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:41:09 EDT >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>Naw - too many pics like that. Not only flags but struts and >>test equipment as well. What was the point? Sun backlit shots >>with illuminated details in the front with no flash available. >>Shadows at different angles. They were most likely shots made to >>enhance NASA's image by compositing. Promo shots. Hey it's done >>all of the time. They needed a particular shot for promotional >>purposes so they made up some in the photo lab. >>Re one of many URLs-go to: >>http://users.erols.com/igoddard/moon01.htm >>But I originally saw some of this stuff on Fox. >Don: >Thanks for the great URL, but I'm not sure that you read down >far enough. It actually debunks all of these claims from the Fox >program: >"This simple test demonstrates that Apollo astronauts >illuminated in shadow are not an "anomaly" but a predictable >result of sunlight reflecting off the sunlit lunar surface", and >"the alleged shadow "anomaly" in the previous Apollo photo is >clearly a result of ground slant and therefore is not a genuine >anomaly indicating fakery. Apollo skeptics cite other examples >of shadow-direction "anomalies," all of those I've viewed are >obviously a result of irregular ground slant." >>Unfortunately NASA lost - as did the rest of us - when the Moon >>program was discontinued. >We certainly agree here. Hi Bob, Let's not mis-read what I said. I don't support the contention that the Moon landings were a product of Hollywood style staging. I was stating that NASA's publicity department needed certain shots that they didn't have, so they pasted some together. The graticules are a case in point. Even if in some cases they were airbrushed out then the photos were tampered with. It's a logical step to get the flag just right in a shot with a great background and the astronauts posing resulting in a shot that will make your heart well up with pride and bring tears to your eyes. Christ, it worked on me and I'm not even American. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Secrecy News -- 09/13/02 - Aftergood From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:05:35 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:45:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Secrecy News -- 09/13/02 - Aftergood SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 89 September 13, 2002 ** SELECTIVE ACCESS TO CRITICAL ENERGY INFO PROPOSED ** A GUIDE TO FOIA LITIGATION ** DEMOCRACY BY DISCLOSURE ** RESOURCES ON IRAQ, ETC. SELECTIVE ACCESS TO CRITICAL ENERGY INFO PROPOSED In a post-September 11 measure to regulate public access to government information, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) is proposing to limit release of "critical energy infrastructure information" (CEII) to selected public requesters based on their need to know, as determined by the Commission. CEII refers to energy-related information that "could be useful" to a person planning an attack on the critical infrastructure of the United States, which in turn refers to U.S. systems or assets that are vital to the national or economic security of the country or to the public health. "Specifically, the Commission proposes to change its regulations to restrict unfettered general public access to critical energy infrastructure information, but still permit those with a need for the information to obtain it in an efficient manner," according to a notice in the Federal Register today. In effect, FERC is proposing a tiered system of public access to its energy information. While anyone can request anything under the Freedom of Information Act, FERC would withhold certain previously public information that it says is exempt from mandatory disclosure under the FOIA and would only make such information available to requesters who are deemed to have a legitimate need for it. "An important objective of the proposed rule is the reconciliation of the Commission's regulatory responsibilities... and the need to protect the safety and well being of American citizens from attacks on our nation's energy infrastructure," FERC said in its Federal Register Notice. FERC stressed that the new category of selectively available information would consist only of information that is already exempt from disclosure under the FOIA. "The Commission has no intention of adopting an approach that would ignore the agency's obligations under the FOIA, which requires that all non-exempt information be made available to the public," the Notice stated. See the FERC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on Critical Energy Infrastructure Information, published in the September 13 Federal Register, here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2002/09/fr091302.html A GUIDE TO FOIA LITIGATION "Litigation Under the Federal Open Government Laws 2002" is the new edition of a standard reference work that deserves a place in the library of everyone who is involved in, or thinking about, litigation under the Freedom of Information Act or related laws. It concisely summarizes the recent case law on each of the FOIA's nine exemptions, and provides scrupulous commentary as well as advice on litigation strategy. The subject matter is identical to that contained in the Justice Department's useful "Freedom of Information Act Guide," newly updated in May 2002. But where the Justice Guide is written from a government point of view, the new volume provides the perspective of non-governmental litigators. As a pro se litigant in two pending FOIA cases, I was saved from an unnecessary and possibly decisive procedural error by a quick review of this well organized new work. "Litigation Under the Federal Open Government Laws 2002" is edited by Harry A. Hammitt, David L. Sobel, and Mark S. Zaid. It is published by the Electronic Privacy Information Center and the James Madison Project. For more information see: http://www.epic.org/bookstore/foia2002/ DEMOCRACY BY DISCLOSURE The notion of official "transparency," like that of an "open society," is typically viewed as an unalloyed good and is for the most part an unexamined one. In her new book "Democracy by Disclosure: The Rise of Technopopulism," Mary Graham stops to examine it. While the benefits of information disclosure are clear in principle -- citizen empowerment, official accountability, and so forth -- the principle doesn't correspond precisely to the actual practice, which is complicated by such things as erroneous or incomplete data, claims concerning proprietary and privacy information, and other factors. "In practice, providing the public with facts to make decisions that translate into improved health and safety has proven surprisingly hard to do," writes Graham, "and there are serious dangers in doing it badly." See: http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/press/books/democracybydisclosure.htm RESOURCES ON IRAQ, ETC. The White House issued a background paper September 12 on Iraqi violations of United Nations Security Resolutions entitled "A Decade of Deception and Defiance." The paper is posted here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912.html "War Powers Resolution: Presidential Compliance" is the subject of a timely Congressional Research Service (CRS) report by Richard F. Grimmett, updated September 10: http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB81050.pdf Another CRS report entitled "Iraq: Former and Recent Military Confrontations with the United States" by Alfred B. Prados, updated September 6, is posted here: http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB94049.pdf "Iraq: Compliance, Sanctions, and U.S. Policy" by CRS analyst Kenneth Katzman, updated September 6, is posted here: http://www.fas.org/man/crs/IB92117.pdf The attorney for Steven J. Hatfill protests the Justice Department's identification of his client as a "person of interest" in connection with the FBI anthrax investigation in the second installment of Hatfill documents published on the Weekly Standard web site today. See David Tell's "Letters to the Law": http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/647iwppg.asp The Department of Energy's ability to carry out underground explosive testing of nuclear weapons within two to three years of a Presidential decision to do so is "at risk," according to a new DOE Inspector General report. "Key aspects of the Department's [nuclear] testing process and infrastructure have experienced significant degradations in the last decade," according to the September 9 report, entitled "National Nuclear Security Administration's Test Readiness Program." See: http://www.ig.doe.gov/pdf/ig-0566.pdf _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:19:19 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:48:41 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>Sounds like wild local rumors. >>Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and >>_then_ pass judgment. What you are doing here is pre-judging >>the case. >Hi, John: >You're absolutely right, John. I am. My _guess_ from the past 50 >plus years of reports is that the following happened, in order >of probability: >1) Wild rumors. >2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a >cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. >3) Foul play. >4) All or any two of the above. >5) The World's first proven abduction/murder by ETs. >I'm willing to wait for the coroner's report. Bob, I seem to recall that you once accused me on this List of pseudoscientific argumentation. What do you call this pseudo- mathematical 'probability computation'? Sounds to me as if you have an array of assumptions (not hard to imagine what they are based on your comments on this List) and circular [il]logic. Until some thorough investigation is conducted I would have to say that, given the long and fully documented history of UFOs (by me and others), abduction is at least equiprobable with foul play, and from what has been reported so far the other possibilities seem unlikely. You also left out the more likely possibility of an accident in which he was electrocuted, as someone has already suggested. Your 'science' apparently begins and ends with non potest, ergo non est. Investigation first, probabilities second! - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:22:40 -0400 Subject: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere List, I am providing posts from an ongoing dicussion at the Whispers Discussion board between me, Duncan Lewis, Jay Milocsz, and James Oberg. --- Oberg: Another example is based on a story a friend told me while I was serving at Kirtland AFB in 1970-1. I was a member of the 'Junior Officers Council', and another lieutenant who was assigned to 'Broken Arrow' secondary duty loved to tell stories about his experiences while doing exercises to recover lost nuclear weapons. He had never been involved in a actual weapons accident but had organized drills sevewral timesa year, throughout New Mexico and neighboring states, to practice coordination between the assigned Air Police units and local police. He described with glee the gimmick his senior officer had taught him, which had worked perfectly for many years, to keep the existence of a nuclear weapon and possible hazardous radiation from the general public. "It works like this," he explained: "I call the Air Police sergeant over and tell him we've got to keep the purpose of this cordon completely secret, but strictly for his own personal information, so he can know how important it is to keep the news from the public, it involves the crash of a flying saucer." The officer then grinned: "And nobody ever, ever suspected it was a nuclear weapons exercise!" Oberg: The stories I have deal with ordinary airborne activities, including mistakes and 'hot-dogging', which sparked some UFO reports. The participants told me that their role in setting off these stories was never documented. My curiosity dealt with what fraction of 'unsolved cases' might fall in this category. Elsewhere I've speculated that 1950's-era reasponable exercises in 'plumbing' - controlling leaks of classified information - could have involved creating bogus 'classified information', exposing a test military population to it, and measuring the spread of the information. Such activities probably won't have left any paper trail. Lewis: And where is one Klassian "shred" of evidence for your claims? As I said in my earlier post, it is not that what you claim isn't possible, to some degree. It is, and you are right, those secrets should be disclosed too. My point is that while your associate Klass is claiming that the government can't keep secrets, you propose that the same government "orchestrated" incidents to foster belief in UFOs and "played pranks and jokes" to lure people into believing in UFOs, perhaps to distract from some truly secret classified activity. You are suggesting that UFOs, and all the secrecy entailed therein, are a ruse designed to distract from other secrets. You certainly contradict Klass, because if what you say is true, it is certainly a pretty big secret. UFOS are an intelligence operation to cover huge deep secrets! And it is far less supported by any standard than are UFOs. Certainly there is not a hint of this when we look at Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, Robertson, and Condon. Certainly the public thrust of these studies was not to embellish the UFO, but to give the public the impression that the UFO had been studied and dismissed. When we look at the context of these studies, and make reasonable inferences from their circumstances and dissenters, a true governmental view about UFOs is strongly suggested, and that view is NOT that UFOs are a cover for American classified secrets. I called this a "shotgun" approach to UFOs. Perhaps I should have said that this approach paints with a broad brush. Didn't the CIA some time ago "confess" that they had used the UFO topic for some purpose like frightening the Russians? Neither you nor the CIA have credibly proven this claim. Both claims seem designed to seep into the public consciousness as a prepared thought for the masses. "Oh, UFOs? didn't I read that the CIA was behind all of that to make the Russians we had advanced technology?" Or perhaps, "Didn't I read somewhere that our military faked alot of UFOs to hide their top-secret projects?" That's easy, and comforting, isn't it? No aliens, and another 'plausible' explanation to keep the masses quiet. Oberg: Fair questions. I'm not suggesting that UFO perceptions were deliberately staged to the general public on a regular basis. I am suggesting that when reports came in from the public about 'UFOs' that various military offices recognized as being caused by their own activities - whether Moby Dick balloons, or U-2's and SR-71's, etc - these offices were not anxious to correct the public's misperceptions. I think I've documented specific cases where this occurred in the USSR, as well as several suggestive cases in China. Then there's the 1971 story from my 'Broken Arrow' friend. As for planting 'fake secrets' to track the illegal disclosure of ostensibly 'classified information', isn't this a fairly well established classic counter intelligence tactic? It's been documented to have occurred at WPAFB, for example, where encrypted files with titles related to Hangar-19 and 'EBE' were booby-trapped to run traces on hackers attempting to copy or open them. Strikes me as a justified and clever trap. The difference in 'keeping secrets' at this level versus keeping secret a massive UFO research/recovery effort should be very clear. The latter allegedly was a high-level and high-priority activity that would have left an enduring paper trail. The FORMER would have been low-level ad hoc short-term efforts for which documentation - if it existed at all - would be routinely downgraded and purged as part of normal records- keeping processes. So I don't see a fundamental conflict in my views on these 'bush league' UFO-exploitation actions versus a purported 'beyond-the- H-bomb' top level coverup. Please pass this note on to Josh and Jim. Jay Miloscz: So essentially what you are saying is that: 1) lying to the public concerning ufos was merely a local expression of a standard operating procedure by which officials at many governmental and military levels typically proceed, and have long proceeded, without a single pang of conscience, no matter how dire and life-threatening the circumstances; and, moreover, 2) the misrepresentation of secret nuclear discharges or nuclear accidents as 'ufos' was merely a 'clever move' on the part of our leaders and their minions, seizing the convenience of the fact that ufos were already present in our atmosphere as a way to hide the risks and dangers of half-assed uses of nuclear energy in our country; and, moreover, 3) this tactic, no matter how often invoked, proves exactly nothing concerning the nature or reality of actual ufos; and, moreover, 4) the use of this tactic by a variety of liers and fabricators additionally proves exactly nothing concerning whether or not there has been an orchestrated cover-up of the ufo phenomenon. Lewis: Isn't this simply more of what we heard from Gerald Haines in his attempts to explain "over half" of all UFO sightings from the late 1950s through the 60s as recon planes, especially the U2? I agree that it certainly would not be below the moral and ethical standards of our military/intelligence community to let the public think that certain incidents involving military hardware were UFOs. I suppose they felt that they had to use whatever disinformation they had to maintain their secret. Morally, leading Americans to believe that some horrible weapon was instead proof of alien life speaks for itself. But I believe there is a different purpose in such "explanations". The appear to be part of a larger disinformation plan to convince the public that when all is considered, UFOs have essentially been explained away as hoaxes, misidentifications, recon flights, and now military operations that used the UFO story for cover. Each of those factors has no doubt been a good explanation for some UFO incidents. What the general public does not hear is that there are many, many incidents in which the facts are known with specificity and detail, and which fit none of those possible scenarios. As for keeping secrets, you seem again to be implying that it is simply impossible for the government to keep a secret as large as UFOs. That is simply not the case; at least there is no evidence to support that contention. As I have said, historian Richard Dolan is right when he describes our National Security State as an entity with decades of experience keeping secrets, including from our elected representatives. The historical record strongly suggests that UFOs went into deep cover within the government in the late 1940s. The mere fact that mainstream history books don't teach this doesn't detract from the ultimate truth of the matter. -----
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:59:03 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:25:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Balaskas >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:00:54 +0000 >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic <snip> >>In regard to this item on UFO UpDates, I shared some anecdotical >>evidence below with Kenny Young and a few others that suggests >>to me there are a lot of important things un-told about the >>manned lunar landings in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the >>public is still unaware of. >>Although I am not among those who believe that Aldrin and >>Armstrong did not actually land and walk on the surface of the >>Moon (the third member of Apollo 11 is on record that the photo >>of him spacewalking during his Gemini space flight that was >>published in his book is a fake), here is another story which >>may cast some doubts. >>Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >>chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >>the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >>island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >>story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >>bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >>After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >>by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >>didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >>this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >>fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. >>Nick Balaskas >Sorry Nick, but you just qualified for my S-list. What kind of >totally unsupported nonsensical rumor is this? Either give us a >name, something that can be checked, or stop purveying this kind >of stuff. 'I believe I heard something one time from someone >whose credibility is totally unknown.....' Please! Hi Dick! Have you ever been told some interesting story by a stranger which impressed you and thought it may be very important but because you did not have the time or ablility to follow it up further, you discarded it or kept it to yourself? Are you suggesting that we should do the same by not sharing such anecdotical evidence, especially with fellow researchers and friends, including those on UFO UpDates? I will go through my diary notes this weekend and will try to contact the individual who told me about this story. I hope to have further updates on this story about Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin and the 1969 landing on the Moon - even if by doing so I end up on the top of your S-list. ;o) Nick Balaskas P.S. Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins has confessed that a photo of himself doing a walk in space which was published in his book is false (and doctored too!). There is also a post lunar landing debriefing * where Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong talk about the unidentified object that paced their spacecraft on their way to the Moon (this is in addition to still unexplained mysterious flashes of light seen too). When these and much other new evidence, documented and anecdotical, is presented that suggests there could be more to the lunar landing missions than the public is aware, do we simply dismiss it saying that my mind is made up, or share it with others for further investigation? * 'Apollo 11, The NASA Mission Reports, Volume Two, pages 38-40
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - McGonagle From: Joe McGonagle <joe@ufology.org.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:20:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:32:16 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - McGonagle >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth <snip> >Source: Spaceflight NEWS Alert >http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0209/12apollostage/ >NEWLY FOUND OBJECT COULD BE OLD APOLLO ROCKET STAGE >--------------------------------------------------- >An analysis of the orbital motion of the newly discovered object >J002E3 indicates that it could be a leftover Saturn 5 third stage >from one of the Apollo missions, most likely Apollo 12, launched on >November 14, 1969. Hi, John/Stig/List, What bothers me about this report is not only how the third stage travelled into such a distant orbit, but how it could have gone undetected for so long? I thought that there was an extensive and reasonably complete catalogue of space debris maintained by NORAD? What else (in terms of space weapons, for example) is up there that is also not catalogued? Just a thought, Joe
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:28:10 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:49:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:59:03 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:00:54 +0000 >>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>>Subject: Re: Buzz Socks Skeptic >>>In regard to this item on UFO UpDates, I shared some anecdotical >>>evidence below with Kenny Young and a few others that suggests >>>to me there are a lot of important things un-told about the >>>manned lunar landings in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the >>>public is still unaware of. >>>Although I am not among those who believe that Aldrin and >>>Armstrong did not actually land and walk on the surface of the >>>Moon (the third member of Apollo 11 is on record that the photo >>>of him spacewalking during his Gemini space flight that was >>>published in his book is a fake), here is another story which >>>may cast some doubts. >>>Sometime in the late 1980s (I have to look up the exact date) I >>>chartered a 4-wheel drive vehicle and driver to take me up to >>>the observatories on the snow capped summit of Mauna Kea on the >>>island of Hawaii. I believe it was this driver who told me a >>>story about Buzz Aldrin who was a regular at a local Hawaiian >>>bar which was frequented by the staff from the observatories. >>>After Buzz had a few drinks, one of the bar patrons teased Buzz >>>by saying something to the effect "Buzz, tell us the truth, you >>>didn't really walk on the Moon." Buzz did not challenge what >>>this patron said but instead broke into an uncontrolled crying >>>fit. This happened on more than one occasion I was told. >>>Nick Balaskas >>Sorry Nick, but you just qualified for my S-list. What kind of >>totally unsupported nonsensical rumor is this? Either give us a >>name, something that can be checked, or stop purveying this kind >>of stuff. 'I believe I heard something one time from someone >>whose credibility is totally unknown.....' Please! >Hi Dick! >Have you ever been told some interesting story by a stranger >which impressed you and thought it may be very important but >because you did not have the time or ablility to follow it up >further, you discarded it or kept it to yourself? Are you >suggesting that we should do the same by not sharing such >anecdotical evidence, especially with fellow researchers and >friends, including those on UFO UpDates? >I will go through my diary notes this weekend and will try to >contact the individual who told me about this story. I hope to >have further updates on this story about Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin and >the 1969 landing on the Moon - even if by doing so I end up on >the top of your S-list. ;o) >Nick Balaskas >P.S. Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins has confessed that a >photo of himself doing a walk in space which was published in >his book is false (and doctored too!). There is also a post >lunar landing debriefing * where Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong >talk about the unidentified object that paced their spacecraft >on their way to the Moon (this is in addition to still >unexplained mysterious flashes of light seen too). When these >and much other new evidence, documented and anecdotical, is >presented that suggests there could be more to the lunar landing >missions than the public is aware, do we simply dismiss it >saying that my mind is made up, or share it with others for >further investigation? >* 'Apollo 11, The NASA Mission Reports, Volume Two, pages 38-40 Nick, I could tell you all sorts of stories that I was told by "strangers," some with seemingly good credentials, but I won't do so because it would merely be repeating unfounded rumors and very possibly passing on false information (disinformation) which was the intended purpose of the storytellers "confiding" in me. In my years at NICAP, I interacted with all sorts of U.S. Government people, intelligence operatives, news media people, scientists in all sorts of Federal and private agencies, etc., etc. I heard all kinds of tales; but you will never hear me repeat them unless I have some solid, objective reason for thinking that they might be true. Capisch? Rumor-mongering is not my thing. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:47:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:29:40 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Balaskas >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>Stig, List: >>A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >>captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov >The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did >it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be >nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the >3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's >gravity..... Hi Don, Bob, everyone! NORAD boasts that it tracks thousands of man-made objects and large space debris in orbit around the Earth, some as small as a ball. How did it lose track of such a large object as the third-stage (S-IVB) of the Saturn V moon rocket, especially considering the potential threat to life and property on our planet? Recall that NASA's huge Skylab space station which eventually fell back to Earth, and fortunately did not kill anyone, was also a modified S-IVB third-stage rocket. Has NORAD also lost track of the other S-IVBs from Moon Missions prior to Apollo 12 (Apollo 8, Apollo 10 and Apollo 11) too? If not, do these S-VIBs have similar orbits to the mysterious object now in Earth orbit? A BBC news story which describes this recently discovered object in orbit around our planet as Earth's third natural satellite, after the Moon and Cruithne (which was co-discovered by Prof. Kim Innanan, here at York University). This is not correct. Although Cruithne is a close companion of the Earth with a same year-long orbit around the Sun as the Earth's, it is not a satellite orbiting our planet like the Moon. Of course, an E.T. spacecraft is a remote possibility but not one that has been ruled-out, yet. Two other such mystery objects were tracked, in Earth orbit in 1952, which the media wrote about at the time quoting space-experts. These objects, which were initially thought to be pre-Sputnik Russian launched satellites, caused much concern at the Pentagon too. I have collected many articles from past journals describing many other such previously discovered mysterious objects in Earth orbit. A few, including one which likely exploded in orbit before Sputnik 1 as launched, are also suspected as being possible E.T. spacecraft. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 13 Re: Greer - Aldrich From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 4:55:11 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:09:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Greer - Aldrich >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:39:56 -0400 >Subject: Greer [was: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported] >>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:53:33 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA ManReported >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:51 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:37:03 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>>Source: Rense.com >>>>>http://rense.com/general29/etab.htm >>>>>Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported >>>>>From Peter Davenport >>>>>Director - National UFO Reporting Center >>>>>UFOCenter.com >>><snip> >>>>(If) all of this checks out... I'd love for Mary Rodwell to >>>>explain to me and everyone else how this UFO encounter >>>>'benefited' Todd Sees. As sad as I am for the family of Mr. >>>>Sees, maybe this horrible incident is what it will take, the >>>>death of a (possible) abduction victim, to get people to start >>>>paying some _serious_ attention to reports of abduction. >>>>I hope like Hell that this turns out to have been caused by >>>>something other than a UFO contact. The implications are >>>>terrifying and mind-numbing. >>>John, >>>Naturally you realize that the take from Greer supporters will >>>be something along the lines of "Well these are the phoney ships >>>and phoney abductions designed to make peace loving, benovolent >>>ETs seem like evil monsters etc etc. >>>The take from the skeptibunkers will be something along the >>>lines of the farmer saw (choose one or all of the following): >>>Venus, weather balloon, clouds, hoax and or It was part of >>>some scheme by person or persons as yet unknown, and somehow >>>someway, the family will benefit, either by a life insurance >>>policy, or something like that which in the skeptibunker mind is >>>instant proof that that it was not UFO related. >>>If the skeptibunkers can't readily explain it away with the >>>usuall crop of suspects we will hear how this case has some >>>interesting aspects and how they suspect (this or that theory) , >>>but just can't prove it yet, blah blah blah. >Hiya Jan, >You wrote: >>No wait, it is even worst than that. Corso is on Greer's Witness >>List. Good trick to get him to testify. But what did Corso say? >>Why, he is the savior of humanity. He is responsible for the >>erection of a space based defense against the evil ETs. Now >>that goes against Greer's benovolent ETs? Only Greer can do the >>backward flips to rationalize this one. In front of Congress >>that should be a great help. Please support the Disclosure >>Project - a laugh a minute. >Sad but true. We have to be careful though. There are many >'roses' buried in Greer's dungheap. It'd be a shame to lose some >valuable resources/witnesses just because of Greer's taint. I >hope that some of those people actually get to testify before >Congress some day. >I don't think it'll happen on Greer's watch however. He's way >too busy orchestrating a three ring circus to have much energy >left over to achieve anything of value. Especially in terms of >bringing us any closer to Congressional Hearings. >I understand that witness tape sales have been brisk though! ;) >>Again, who are the real disinformation agents, why they are >>right here among us. >Another scary thought but oh, so true. You're on a roll today. >Two for two. Hi John, As we all know here at UpDates, I proposed that we vet the witnesses to Bassett. Remember? He was not interested. There is no excuse repeat, no excuse,to have witnesses like Salas put up with the likes of Clifford (57 varieties of aliens) Stone. If one is seeking a Congressional Hearing, then one has the duty to both Congress and Ufology to see that only the best and most reliable are called to testify. This silly smoke-screen the Disclosure supporters hide behind that they can't determine the truth to every claim is spurious and, in fact, in some of their own literature it is emphasized how careful they have been with their process. Hogwash. You can't have it both ways. Either to have the best and brightest or you are going to put all the garbage on the table and let Congress sort it out. If the latter, then you deserve no support from Ufology. My own thoughts are that Congressional Hearings are not the goal. If they were, one would want to make the best case possible, not present a bunch of mishagosh. One would carefully screen the witnesses and those whose stories having inconsistencies and the quality of war or beer stories would be eliminated. It might require that some outside experts on radar, etc., might have to be consulted or it might be, in the case of some of the witnesses, that some background checks be done. Some of these guys, like Stone, started out their ufological 'career' with rather modest claims, but over the year have increased their resume until they are the focal point of many famous UFO incidents. Sorry, I am not buying this and neither should Greer. _If_ the goal were to discredit the field of Ufofoly, then, you would want the good with the bad so that the bad taints everyone! Who are the real disinformation agents? Look around - or better yet, look at the first few minutes of the Disclosure film... are these out of context quotes and sound bite clips conveying the truth, or do they give a wrong impression? While the press constantly harps on how silly or stupid Congressmen are, which may be true - but I wouldn't want to bet on it - their staffs are not. And the staffs control the hearings and the questions that the Congressmen will ask. The inconsistencies and howlers will be pointed out with relish... if and that's a big IF, the Disclosure Circus ever gets it's hearings. I haven't even mentioned the flashlight waving. That is for another time. Jan Aldrich Project 1947 http://www.project1947.com/ P. O. Box 391 Canterbury, CT 06331 (860) 546-9135
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 UFOs And Bodily Harm From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:42:30 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:42:30 -0400 Subject: UFOs And Bodily Harm See: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/sep/m11-009.shtml ebk ----- Source: Rense.com http://rense.com/general29/PARTS.htm UFOs and Bodily Harm PARTS 1-3 By Scott Corrales 9-13-2 As a society, late 20th century America is obsessed with "accentuating the positive," even in situations where the silver lining is often impossible to assign. In matters dealing with the paranormal, this manifests itself in an urge to downplay incidents in which human eyewitnesses or percipients received some kind of bodily harm as a result of their fleeting brush with the unknown. Apologists for these unknown forces are quick to indicate that there can be no malice behind these attacks, and that the force behind them is no more guilty than the pane of glass that brought a hapless bird's flight to an abrupt halt. One can only derive cold comfort from such thoughts. Feature articles like Charles Bowen's "UFO Beams that Cure or Kill" (SAGA UFO, 1974), or book-length treatments on the subject, such as Bob Pratt's excellent UFO Danger Zone (1996) or Jacques Vallee's Confrontations (1990), have successfully illustrated the deleterious effects of UFO encounters. We would be fortunate indeed if the vast corpus of literature on this manifestation of the phenomenon could be circumscribed to these works. Yet, there is much more. The Consul's Report The National UFO Reporting Center recently posted a letter that appeared in Scientific American magazine a little over a century ago-on December 18, 1886, to be exact. The letter, dated November 17, 2000 purports to be from one Walter Cowgill of the U.S. Consulate in Maracaibo, Venezuela, and discusses a curious phenomenon that took place on October 24, 1886 on a proverbially dark and stormy night. A family of nine, sleeping in a shanty not far from Maracaibo itself, was awakened by "a loud humming noise and a vivid, dazzling light" that turned night into day. This could be a description of lightning or even its more sophisticated cousin, ball lightning. But what happened next is what catapults this case into the high-strangeness ballpark. Cowgill's letter goes on to indicate that in a belief that the Second Coming was at hand, the frightened Venezuelans prostrated themselves in prayer. "But their devotions," he writes, "were almost immediately interrupted by violent vomiting, and extensive swellings commenced to appear in the upper parts of their bodies, this being particularly noticeable about the face and lips." The members of the family were stricken with large black facial blotches, which were painless until the skin peeled off and the blotches turned to sores. The letter reports that hair loss was also in evidence, "upon the side which happened to be underneath where the phenomenon occurred." Amazingly, the dwelling itself was unaffected, and all doors and windows were bolstered. No traces of lightning strikes could be observed on the structure, and the injured occupants allegedly stated that no sound beyond the curious humming had accompanied the bright flash of light. The trees surrounding the dwelling showed no signs of damage until the ninth day, when they began to wither "simultaneously with the development of sores upon the bodies of the occupants of the house." The letter closes on a less than upbeat note. The consular agent indicates that he visited the members of the injured family in one of the city's hospitals and that "their appearance was truly horrible." It is likely that their ultimate fate will forever remain a mystery. While UFO advocates will protest that there exists no clear-cut evidence of a connection with the phenomenon in this case, we shall "fast-forward" sixty years from 1886 to 1946, when an equally frightening event occurred in Brazil. The Aratariguam Incident At dusk on March 5, 1946, Joao Prestes and his friend Salvador dos Santos returned to their neighborhood after a day's fishing. Prestes said goodbye to his companion after reaching his home and proceeded to search the windowsill for the key to the door. He became momentarily aware of "something" that was hovering over his house; whatever it was, it fired a potent beam of light directly at his face, prompting him to cover his face with his hands in an instinctive effort to ward off the luminous blow. The "force" of the strange burst of cohered light toppled Prestes to his knees. But the light vanished as suddenly as it appeared. The terrified victim ran toward the nearby home of his sister. As they listened to Joao's story, his sister and the members of her household noticed that Prestes flesh was gradually acquiring the aspect of "meat that has been allowed to boil for a while." Curiously enough, this only occurred in the lower parts of his arms and legs, the exposed parts of his body that had not been covered by clothing. The true horror commenced when the onlookers realized that Joao Prestes was melting before their very eyes. Skin slid off the fisherman's bones; an ear slid down to the man's shoulder before hitting the ground; lips, nose and eyelids fell off as the screams of his terrified relatives split the air. Adding to the hellish situation was the fact that Prestes insisted he felt no pain whatsoever even as his body disintegrated before his eyes. His final request before dying was a drink of water. This mind-bending story was originally featured in Italy's Il Giornale del Misteri, accompanied by a truly frightening artists' depiction of Prestes' last moments. Jacques Vallee adds the detail that Dr. Felipe Santos Carrion, a researcher who managed to interview Prestes' friend, dos Santos, before the man's death, has ascertained that the weather was fair and that there was no threat of a thunderstorm. Perhaps it is in poor taste to dwell on these unfortunate cases, or even preferable to leave undisturbed the memory of individuals who died in such appalling circumstances. Hundreds of people die each year from lightning strikes, whether on the golf courses of the industrialized world or in open fields of the Third World, and not a single case of "death by lightning" has involved such gruesome results, which are strongly reminiscent of the fate of the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yet nuclear energy was unknown in 1886, and had only been barely harnessed in 1946. What could have been the unknown source of these strange deaths? Knowing what we now know, could UFOs be the answer? Wrong Place, Wrong Time Today, we are accustomed to reading cases in which UFO eyewitnesses complain of a number of symptoms brought about by microwave radiation issuing from the mysterious objects in question. Rashes, burns, eczema, temporary blindness and loss of reflexes are only some of the side effects of involvement with the UFO phenomenon. On January 7, 1970, Aarno Heinonen and Esko Viljo, two Finnish skiers from the town of Heinola in southern Finland, were thrust into prominence by their encounter with a strange artifact and its even stranger occupants. With fresh snow on the ground and clear skies on that early day in January, Heinonen and Viljo went skiing deep in a wooded area as part of their training for an upcoming competition. At a given point, both men became aware of an unbearably bright luminous object, which deviated from its trajectory in the heavens and turned around and headed for the forest clearing where the men were resting. The light, which on closer inspection was enshrouded in a reddish-grey cloud or mist, emitted a loud buzzing sound. When it descended to a height of fifteen meters (50 ft.), the skiers were able to see a solid, disc-shaped craft at the core of the swirling mist. The object descended within a few feet of the ground, close enough for one of the men to tap it with a ski pole, and the mist dispersed. Heinonen reportedly felt something grab him and push him away from a luminous tube that projected from the bottom of the craft. Both men were startled to see a strange being, standing no taller than three feet and holding a black box in its claw-like hands. The humans later described the entity as wearing tall black boots, a jumpsuit made of an unknown but lightweight material, and a curiously hooked nose. The creature seemed to give off a strange radiance. So stunned were the humans that they did not react when the entity pointed the black device at Heinonen and fired a beam of energy at him, followed by the same reddish-grey mist that had encircled the unknown craft. Heinonen now found himself enveloped in sparks of red, violet and green, which did not produce any kind of painful sensations. The odd mist became so dense that Viljo was unable to see the non-human entity or his friend, even though the latter was only a few steps away. Suddenly, the lights contracted and were sucked back into the device. The reddish mist lifted and dispersed. There was no sign of the entity or of the disc-shaped vehicle that had loomed over them. The encounter with the creature had lasted, by their estimates, no more than 20 seconds. There would be a price to pay following this exposure to unknown forces: Heinonen was afflicted with a sensation of lassitude that prompted him to fall into the snow, requiring his companion to carry/drag him back to his home a mile away. Viljo's face was swollen and congested. Heinonen urinated a dark liquid resembling "coffee poured onto the snow." In spite of the fact that local physician Paul Kajanoja thought at first that the men were suffering from a particularly severe bout of flu, he was concerned by their abnormally low blood pressure, vacant stares and the lack of coherence of speech. While he felt that he was looking at two potential cases of radiation poisoning, Kajanoja lacked a Geiger counter with which to ascertain the possibility. After the ordeal, Heinonen's weakness became chronic and he was unable to return to work. He developed constant nightmares and grew afraid of his friend Esko Viljo, identifying him with the occupant of the unknown vehicle. A physicist from the University of Helsinki remarked that Heinonen's symptoms matched those of an over-exposure to X-rays. Later that same year, Swedish researcher K. Gosta Rehn investigated another Scandinavian case involving a similar situation. On October 25, 1970, Norwegian technician Reidar Salvesson, 35, was driving home to Kristiansland from a business trip to Stavanger when he was blinded by an amazingly powerful source of light more powerful than a "welding arc," according to his description. Bringing his car to a stop on the darkened highway, Salvesson was able to make out an enormous ball of light heading toward his vehicle, eventually hovering directly over him. The driver got out of the vehicle after the unknown object had extinguished its luminescence to reveal a saucer- shaped flying object measuring some 20 meters across. "It met the description of what I'd read about flying saucers," remarked the technician, adding that the object was perfectly silent and was tilted at a slight angle. Dutiful to the nature of his profession, the technician quickly pulled a notepad from his pocket and began making a quick sketch of the object, calculating its distance from the ground, its width and other measurements. After fifty seconds by his count, Salvesson felt a strong blow against his back, as if the object "had cast an electric wave at him." Falling to the ground, he then heard the sound of his car's windshield shattering to bits. Immediately after that, the unknown object took off heavenward at breakneck speed, disappearing from view. After the event, Salvesson indicated that he felt a numbness of the tongue and face, as if a dentist had applied a particularly strong anesthetic. His eyesight had been negatively affected for almost a week following the event, making it almost impossible to drive during daylight hours and causing severe ocular irritation. These incidents are by no means specific to Scandinavia. Since the 1950s, people worldwide have been affected by anomalous phenomena often directly related to UFOs. Many times, the harm is circumscribed to physical effects such as those enumerated above, stemming from close proximity to the anomaly or through the intervention of a beam weapon of some sort. The hapless victims of these microwave or other unknown radiations do not always make a complete recovery. Such was the case involving Brazilian policeman Altamiro Martins, who had a shocking encounter with the unknown in September 1970. At 9:30 p.m., Martins was patrolling the grounds surrounding Usina do Funil in the municipality of Itaitatia when a number of luminous phenomena=F3a few hundred feet from his position=F3drew his attention. Before the policeman had a chance to investigate, one of the objects fired a silvery beam of light that left Martins blinded. Screaming in terror, Martins called for the nearest of his fellow officers on patrol and began firing his sidearm wildly into the air. The first person to respond was a truck driver, who reported seeing nothing unusual in the sky. The victim was spread out on the ground, repeating the story of the sudden appearance of the lights. Martins was taken to the Red Cross Hospital in Rio de Janeiro where the attending physicians discovered a new problem: the policeman's legs were now paralyzed. Clinicians and psychiatrists alike were unable to find the underlying causes of the blindness and the sudden paralysis, particularly since the eyes appeared undamaged as a result of the flash of light. A UFO Steamroller On other occasions, the damage is not merely circumscribed to frail human bodies, but also includes the surrounding physical infrastructure. The following case was first made known to the world through the pages of Britain's Flying Saucer Review and caused quite a sensation at the time. Although mention is seldom made of it in our Roswell-minded times, it nonetheless represents the most vivid example of UFO "vandalism." At 11:30 a.m., August 7, 1970, the Ethiopian villagers of Saladare were distracted by a sound issuing from a nearby forest. Many suspected at first that the source of the noise was a low-flying airplane or helicopter. The noise's intensity grew steadily worse, from loud to unbearable. Astonishment quickly turned to terror when people saw a luminous red ball=F3described by some as being "shaped like a tree trunk" and by others as a "ball followed by a tail"=F3sweep through the village and reduce everything in its path to rubble: trees were torn from the ground, grass was charred, and the asphalt on nearby highway melted into tar as the fiery object rolled along. Eyewitnesses reported that the object traveled toward a hillside, remained stationary, and then turned around once more, retracing its way parallel with the initial swath of destruction. The supernatural abomination destroyed more homes and vanished the same way it had first appeared. In total, over forty buildings were destroyed and nine villagers were either wounded or slain. Dr. J.A. Hynek, who featured this nightmarish account in his book The Edge of Reality (Regnery, 1975), noted: "This is one of the few documented cases where harm has been caused by something we must regard as a UFO. It was certainly flying, it was obviously an object, and it certainly was unidentified." Death by Saucer? The possibility of death by UFO activity, whether deliberate or accidental, is anathema in most discussions of the subject: contactees believe that the "kind space brothers" are incapable of hurting anyone and ET Hypothesis proponents scoff at the thought of advanced spaceships crossing the interstellar abyss to kill innocent humans. However, there exists a considerable body of information on precisely such events on a global basis. Otherwise, how can we explain the strange death of Arcesio Bermudez following a UFO close encounter on July 4, 1969? Thirteen people, some of them members of a prominent Colombian family, were witnesses to the event, which occurred in a ranch in the municipality of Anoilaima, 50 kilometers distant from Bogot. As the family pursued its activities for the evening, they were surprised to see a small light appear in the distance, reminiscent "of a balloon light" (sic). The light grew brighter as it drew nearer, eventually flooding the ranch house with blinding light. The object eventually landed close to the house and extinguished its light. Arcesio Bermudez was the first of the family members to approach the object, armed with nothing more than a heavy-duty flashlight. Pointing the electric torch at the object, Arcesio reportedly shouted: "Hey, there's a Martian inside!," after which the vehicle turned on its lights, rose into the air, and vanished in the general direction of Bogot. Arcesio took ill that very same evening and died three days later. Dr. Csar Esmeral would later indicate that his patient had slipped into a coma and was in an odd "hypothermic condition." Shortly before dying, Arcesio would tell his relatives that the unknown device contained a single occupant standing one meter tall. Another case occurred in Peru in late 1968 and involved the death of a child in the Amazonian community of Tingo Maria (northeastern Peru). According to the information presented in a local tabloid, Ultima Hora, three children playing in a rainforest clearing witnessed the descent of an unknown object. The eldest of the group, a twelve year-old, ran ahead of his companions to reach the curious device before falling to the ground short of his goal. The two remaining children reportedly saw a pair of small creatures who gestured at them to remove their fallen companion's body. The boys obeyed, and found that their friend's body was nearly charred. According to the tabloid article, they were able to return the boy to his family, who promptly took him to a medical dispensary. The boy died of the burns shortly later. Military authorities tried in vain to find a rational explanation to the event. While this shocking case could easily be dismissed as tabloid sensationalism, there are other UFO burn cases that stand up to scrutiny and have been investigated by competent agencies, such as the 1968 incident involving Adela Casalvieri, 53, a nurse at a psychiatric hospital in Mendoza, Argentina, whose case was studied by that country's Aeronautical Intelligence Service, the Forensic Police and the National Commission on Atomic Energy. According to Casalvieri, she was in the women's ward of the hospital attending to her professional duties when she suddenly noticed an intense red light accompanied by a persistent buzzing sound. Thinking at first that it came from a space heater in a patient's room, she was startled to find that a sizeable red object had in fact landed in the hospital's courtyard. Walking out to the courtyard, the nurse found herself suddenly unable to move. "The light focused on me ... I felt a burning sensation and the inability to move. The light was red and very powerful, and I could neither scream nor move." Casalvieri would later describe the object as "shaped like a mushroom and giving off flashes of blue and red light." When she was finally able to break free from its thrall, she ran back into the building and called for help. Casalvieri was treated for the burns and released, and the only evidence that remained of the encounter was a lead-colored scorch mark on the hospital courtyard, which remained visible for two days before disappearing. Conclusions The preceding cases will more than likely be dismissed as doom- and-gloom retellings of events that happened long ago and far away. The Brazilian policeman's blindness and paralysis will be dismissed as psychosomatic, the Argentinean nurse's burns as mere exposure to "harmful UVs," the destruction of the Ethiopian village as hearsay, and the alleged death of the Peruvian boy as a hoax or worse. For indeed, how can entities higher up the evolutionary scale share the sad human penchant for murder and mayhem? And precisely there lies the crux of the matter: despite its dazzling maneuvers and light shows, despite the undisputed power of its technological or paratechnological devices, the force behind the UFO phenomenon (whether extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial, infraterrestrial, etc.) presents itself as indiscriminate, lacking regard for the well being of other sentient beings, regardless of their intellectual capacity. =A9 2001 by Scott Corrales, a writer and translator of UFO and paranormal subjects in Latin America and Spain. His work has appeared in magazines in the U.S., U.K., Japan, Spain and Italy. Corrales is also the author of Chupacabras and Other Mysteries (Greenleaf, 1997), Flashpoint: High Strangeness in Puerto Rico (Amarna, 1998) and Forbidden Mexico (1999). He lives in Pennsylvania, where he edits Inexplicata: The Journal of Hispanic Ufology. He may be reached at lornis1@juno.com.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:48:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:06:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Balaskas >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There <snip> >>That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science >>or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull >>what and who you put your faith and trust into. <snip> >I think we have enough evidence to support evolution and the >Earth's existence before 6,000 years ago. To think otherwise in >face of the evidence is to conciously wallow in ignorance-and be >proud of it. I wouldn't take advise from such people, be >governed by such people nor do I want my children or >grandchildren hanging around such people. To me this isn't a >subject for argument anyway and a waste of time. <snip> Hi Robert, Don, everyone! I am glad Don qualified his reply with "I think". Biological evolution is in fact nothing more than the current religious myth which is not supported by scientific facts. Regretably, students in our biology classes here are taught these beliefs masquerading as science when in fact, it does not even satisfy the criteria to be scientific (evolution cannot be observed, cannot be measured, etc.). What is worse, students are not allowed to question these beliefs or propose other explanations without the risk of failing the course. Shouldn't schools be places where academic freedom of thought can take place where new ideas can be proposed and then challenged and put to the test rather than be disallowed from the start? It is interesting to note that some of my colleagues use their belief in evolution to dismiss reported accounts of human looking E.T.s. They reason that if life on Earth were to start all over again, after another 5 billion years or so of evolution, we would not look anything like what we do now. In fact, creatures living on planets in other solar systems with similar anatomies to our own, would be compelling evidence for a creator God than it would be for evolution! As for the age of the Earth and the universe being closer to 10,000 years old rather than 10,000,000,000 years old, incredible as it sounds, there is scientific evidence to support this. But many people like you (and I) are too stubborn to even consider this evidence preferring to wallow in our ignorance. One reason why after half a century ufology has not come closer to the truth behind UFOs could be the result of this stubborness. I'm reminded of what we have been told about truth regarding UFOs by certain insiders such as Baron Nicholas E. Von Poppen or Margaret Fuller, often at great risk to their lives or livelihood. For example, how many of us would be willing to discard our cherished views that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin even if it was proven that UFO sightings from earliest times have a direct connection to spiritualism? I may break into an uncontrolable crying fit and then find another hobby... Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:09:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:07:49 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Speiser >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:47:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>>>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>Stig, List: >>>A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >>>captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >>>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov >Of course, an E.T. spacecraft is a remote possibility but not >one that has been ruled-out, yet. Two other such mystery objects >were tracked, in Earth orbit in 1952, which the media wrote >about at the time quoting space-experts. These objects, which >were initially thought to be pre-Sputnik Russian launched >satellites, caused much concern at the Pentagon too. We were able to track things in Earth orbit in 1952? Not denying it, just really surprised to hear it. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:48:19 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:10:36 -0400 Subject: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens Source: Pravda http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/13/36569.html Stig *** 14:53 2002-09-13 ISRAEL OCCUPIED BY ALIENS Dozens of weird incidents have been reported in Israel since 1993 ** Residents of the towns of Kadima and Rishon Letzion have reported numerous sightings of UFOs in the spring of 1993. Some people have even claimed that UFOs have landed on their lawns. Circles were found on the landing sites, and ufologists discovered silver- colored metal pieces or an oil-like red in the circles. Analysis of the substances showed that the silver-colored metal was pure silicon, which does not exist in nature. Cadmium was found in the oil. Often, scientists found strange traces near the landing sites. That is not all. People say that they saw bald-headed creatures coming out of the flying objects. The creatures were very tall, and they rushed into houses, acting very aggressively. Hanna Sameh from the settlement of Burgatu (two miles from Kadima) was doing some housework in the kitchen. All of a sudden, she heard her dog barking very loudly. The woman could see the dog in the window, and she did not believe her eyes. The dog was raised in the air; then it flew by the window and slammed into a wall. Hanna opened the door in order to see what was happening outside. When she stepped out of her house, she could not take another step further. She saw a tall, bald man. The man was gazing at her pickup truck. =93What have you done to my dog?=94 -- asked the woman. =93It was bothering me, as you are now. I can do the same to you; get out of here,=94 -- answered the weird stranger. Gertzl Kasatini, from a small village near Rishon Letzion, saw a strange flashlight in a window of his house. He opened the door and bumped into tall creatures. They were wearing shiny gray clothes. Their faces were covered with a luminous haze. Kasatini shut the door that instant. He fell seriously ill two days after that. He went through a detailed medical examination, but the doctors did not manage to find the reason for his mysterious illness. Aliens were seen in the settlement of Moshe Poret, not far from Kadima. They landed there and destroyed all the domestic animals. Memuneh Guet woke up in the middle of the night and found her little dog whining on the floor. The women picked up her dog and saw that someone ripped its eyes out! There was no blood at all. The dog died several minutes later. Then the woman rushed to her barn and found all of her sheep dead. Someone drilled little holes in their heads. The corpses of the sheep did not decay for four months. During 1995-1996, Israeli drivers were often the victims of aggressive aliens. Doctor Harav bin Bari and his cousin Muamad returing home. Driving along a bridge at night, they saw an odd figure. Something made the men stop the car. A silhouette was approaching. The guys could see that it appeared to be a small white- colored man with large black eyes. When Bin Bari looked into the man=92s eyes, he realized that the creature was reading his mind. The doctor could not take his eyes off him for several seconds. A couple of minutes later, the men recovered from the hypnosis and kept on driving. Dozens of such incidents have been reported in Israel since 1993. There is the impression that aliens have a plan for Israel. However, no one knows the purpose of their activity. Anomalia.Ru Translated by Dmitry Sudakov ** Related links: PRAVDA.Ru Aliens were definitely involved in September 11 attacks PRAVDA.Ru American officer kept his silence for two years PRAVDA.Ru The Tunguska meteorite mystery is still unveiled Globe and Mail. : Aliens land, put down firm roots Pravda.ru : Voyagers are still seeking for aliens in deep black space Discovery Online : Gas in Rocks May Sustain Alien Life ABCNews.com : High-Tech Setup to Search for Alien Life ** Copyright =A91999 by "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to Pravda.RU should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coinside with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Berkley Blames Aliens For 9-11 From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:59:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:13:17 -0400 Subject: Berkley Blames Aliens For 9-11 Source: Pravda http://english.pravda.ru/fun/2002/09/06/36110.html Stig *** 21:13 2002-09-06 ALIENS WERE DEFINITELY INVOLVED IN SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS ** Some residents of the American counter-cultural center Berkley, California, believe that the White House was concealing the truth about the attacks of September 11. People think that the twin towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed not by terrorists, but by aliens. After Flight 93 plane fell in Pennsylvania, local residents heard the sound of some flying object. What was that? Any flights were prohibited. And where are the bodies of those people that died in the WTC? They were taken away for tests and experiments. Aliens were definitely involved in the events of September 11. This is the common opinion amid some of Berkley residents. Berkley is celebrated for its protests against the war in Vietnam and hippie meetings in the 1960s. Local book stores have special sections devoted to various conspiracy theories. Each resident of the town has his or her own point of view on what exactly happened on that tragic day. There are a lot of rumors and myths going around the date of September 11. This is a usual thing for all other non-ordinary events. Myths and rumors were basically stirred up by the questions, to which had no answers. A lot of conspiracy theory fans paid their attention to the plane that fell in Pennsylvania. They cannot understand, how could the fragments of the plane be scattered around the area of eight miles? FBI affirms that it was caused by the strong wind. Yet, the sceptic people stick to the opinion, according to which the plane was downed by a pursuit plane. The great number of such theories does not testify to the mass psychosis of American people. It only proves that the people do not believe their own government. Delfi ** Copyright =A91999 by "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to Pravda.RU should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coinside with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: 'Officer': Aliens Took Part In Military From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:17:18 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:15:15 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Officer': Aliens Took Part In Military Source: Pravda http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/04/35979.html Stig *** 15:17 2002-09-04 AMERICAN OFFICER KEPT HIS SILENCE FOR TWO YEARS Aliens took part in a military exercise in Arkansas ** An American officer, who wished to remain anonymous, affirmed that aliens took part in a military exercise that took place in Arkansas several years ago. "There are some things that I cannot talk about. Yet, I think I can say something." Airborne troops conducted their exercise from April 15 to May 5, 1992. The event took place on the territory of the Fort Chaffee army base. The exercise was performed under the code name "Operation Curtain." Special units of airborne troops from Venezuela, Ecuador, the USA, and Puerto Rico, took part in the exercise. The troops were sent to swamps in a remote part of the base. It was ordered not to allow the dummy bridge that was built for the exercise to be exploded. "No unit managed to prevent the explosion of the bridge. Neither the Venezuelans, nor Americans, nor the soldiers from Ecuador managed to detect the "enemy." No one could understand how the saboteur made its way without even bumping into any of the best units. Nevertheless, it happened," -- said the officer. Commandos from Puerto Rico encircled the swamp and started waiting for the "enemy". "A strange noise could be heard in the distance at about 00.30 a.m. Soldiers thought that the 'enemy' landed on the other side of the swamp. Everybody was ready to meet them. The only aspect that we did not know was the time that would take for the 'enemy' to cross the swamp. Before the exercise started, the commandos were given an order not to use night vision devices. However, there was an American sergeant among the Puerto-Ricans who had such a device. "The soldiers soon heard strange sounds coming from the other side of the swamp. The sounds were getting more and more distinct. Everybody was staring in the direction of the sound, but no one saw anything at all. Suddenly, everyone smelled the strong smell of the swamp. One of Puerto-Rican officers ran out of patience and asked the American sergeant to give him the night vision device. The officer looked around the territory and he saw three small creatures. They were visible with the naked eye. The officer gave the night vision device to another officer and so on. Everybody saw the weird 'enemy.' The soldiers eventually contacted their command. The command kept silence for a long while, and then it was ordered to carefully watch the creatures without bringing harm to them. "They were like little people, about one meter high. They looked absolutely white in the night vision devices. There was another such creature sitting on a stump, as if it was watching the crawling ones. At first I thought that they were wearing some kind of helmets. But then I realized that they were not helmets, but their long, egg-like heads. I could even see their big black eyes with no eye-balls. It also seemed to me that they had two little holes instead of a nose. I did not see a mouth. They had four fingers on their hands." The officer also said that a helicopter arrived soon and took the "little people" away. The command strictly ordered everyone to maintain silence about the event. The American officer was struck with what he saw. He did not say anything about it for two years. Who were those creatures? What were they doing among military men? How far did it all go? Anomalia.Ru Translated by Dmitry Sudakov ** Copyright =A91999 by "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to Pravda.RU should be made. The opinions and views of the authors do not always coinside with the point of view of PRAVDA.Ru's editors.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 1976 Oz UFO Footage On-Line From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:55:12 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:18:36 -0400 Subject: 1976 Oz UFO Footage On-Line Source: The Age - Australia http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/13/1031608319210.html Heavily over-priced. Stig *** Look, up in the sky By Alexa Moses September 14 2002 ** One Saturday in October 1976, three men from Sydney drove down the South Coast of NSW. For 21-year-old Nick Flaskas and Frank Zonaras, 20, it was a brief holiday between university semesters. For Frank's younger brother Bill, it was a way to while away an idle weekend. To get the approval of their parents, Flaskas and Zonaras had turned their holiday into a quasi-scientific excursion: they were going to film an eclipse of the sun. The scientific community were gathering in Bombala to see the eclipse, but when the trio asked around, locals said they would get a better view at an isolated point in Ben Boyd National Park. The group arrived at the point before 4pm, parked the car, and walked down to the cliff, which faced the ocean. It was a clear afternoon, the ocean was smooth and the location was so remote it was like, Flaskas says, "the other side of the moon". Turning their backs to the ocean, Zonaras and Flaskas began to set up their cameras: Zonaras was using his new Super 8 video camera, and Flaskas was working the stills camera. Bill was chucking stones off the cliff into the ocean. Suddenly, he called to the others to turn around. Flaskas and Zonaras turned and saw the objects in the sky. "There were two prominent objects and four smaller ones," Flaskas says. "The main object looked like a bell. Dome-shaped, a dark grey bell. And as we were watching it, it looked like it was moving, first towards us and then away from us. It was about 15 degrees above the horizon." The pair swung their cameras around to capture the objects on film. "Meanwhile the solar eclipse was starting so we thought, we'd better do the eclipse as well or we'll get into trouble with our parents," Zonaras says. So they turned the cameras around and quickly filmed the eclipse. When they looked oceanwards again, the mysterious objects had disappeared. More than 25 years later, the pair have created a Web site to tell of their experience. Marketed for an American audience, ufoearthcontact.com features pay-per-view of the footage that Zonaras took at Ben Boyd National Park. It costs $US9.90 ($18.20) to view the film. The site also includes other case studies, an area for visitors' UFO stories, and a guest book. The pair have appeared on ABC's Couchman show in 1991, and a television show called The Extraordinary in 1994. Zonaras is now a Sydney accountant, and Flaskas the manager of a car yard. As they discuss their experience, they interrupt, squabble over details and finish each other's sentences like a well-worn comedy act. When asked if they believe in intelligent extra-terrestrial life, Flaskas says "of course" but Zonaras just looks sheepish. Do they find it embarrassing to talk about? "No," Flaskas says, at the same time that Zonaras says "yes". They both laugh. "I had clients in New Zealand, and after this television show we were on was shown in New Zealand they came back and sung that song at me," Zonaras says, singing the theme from The Twilight Zone. "And you do our tax returns, they ask me?" he says. Zonaras originally wanted to forget about the sighting. After all, it was his footage and he had a career in accounting to think about. Now, with the ability to stream video on the Internet, and a hefty dose of persuasion from Flaskas, Zonaras agreed to get involved again. A healthy cash-flow opportunity was waiting to be realised. Ufoearthcontact.com was created with the help of the director of Triode Internet, Paul Black, who programmed the back end of the site. Video producer George Kolovos designed the hub and worked on the streaming technology for video. However, so far the site hasn't been an other- worldly success. Traffic has been humble since it launched in March, with around 35 unique visitors a day. It may also reflect a common response to the story they have received from people since the event. The vision of two grown men in suits claiming to have seen UFOs is somewhat hard to swallow. Flaskas nods vigorously, having met with this reaction before. "But if you study any of the serious literature in all cultures in all civilisations, there have been these sightings," Flaskas says. "From the Incas to 40,000-year-old Aboriginal paintings - there have always been references to these objects." Why do they think those objects were at Ben Boyd National Park? "I firmly believe those objects were there to see exactly what we were there to see, which was an eclipse of the sun," Flaskas says. "And they were offshore so maybe they wouldn't be spotted. As the shadow came across the land they would then travel with the shadow," he says. Whatever they saw when they were university students, Flaskas and Zonaras have never seen anything like it again. But they do have plans. "On December 4 this year, there is another eclipse of the sun," Flaskas says. Excited, Zonaras forgets his embarrassment for a moment and says they are planning another trip. "The circumstances are almost identical, it's on land, over the ocean, it's crossing the Australian continent at about one minute to 6pm on December 4 in South Australia," Zonaras says. "The objects may be there again, [or] they may not be," Flaskas interrupts, but Zonaras continues over him. "And this time," he says, "we might hire some super-duper equipment and see what we film." ** Copyright =A9 2002 The Age Company Ltd
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:22:14 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:27:11 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:32:25 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >><snip> >>>Thousands of scientists have spent millions of man hours pushing >>>back this curtain of darkness, challenging this myth, a myth I >>>might add that helped to subjugate millions of people, >>>disenfranchise most of the female population and put >>>undisciplined power into the hands of a few for hundreds, if not >>>thousands, of years, not to mention kill off countless millions >>>into the bargain. >>Give me thousands of so called scientists and you can get >>thousands of so called scientific opinions on just about >>anything and all of them based on so called and alleged >>scientific evidence that was absolute, never to be doubted. >>Science and creationism is full of curtains of darkness. >>What is considered so called proven scientific fact now will be >>challenged and disputed 10 years from now. >>Likewise we will have new books, videos and movies that will be >>telling us why Armageddon will be happening at some point in the >>future, say 2006, or pick your year in the future. >>As I mentioned earlier, religious theorists are just as >>bad as the scientific community for being full of drivial >>and myths that are accepted as fact. >>That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science >>or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull >>what and who you put your faith and trust into. >One observation here Robert, >You are talking predictions by scientists for the future of this >planet's health while I'm referring to archeologists, >anthropologists etc. reading the evidence of the past in the >Earth's crusty layers. The Sun will rise tomorrow [probably] >people will die tomorrow and I will pay through the nose for >taxes tomorrow. That's predictable-the rest is up for grabs. But >we can determine with a large degree of accuracy what happened >in the past once all of the evidence is in. Hi Don, The problem is that alleged, and so called science is just as full of myths and drivel when they look back as they are when they look forward. As I mentioned before, 10 years from now geologists or whomever will have new pronouncements, allegedly based on new evidence that will change the so called scientific truth of what happened in the past. One of my friends old a story about how, in grad school, they took apart a battery and carbon 14 dated it (as I recall the story) just for a kick. Apparently the testing came back that the sample was 6 or so million years old... or so he claimed. They knew that the material had been made that year, but when it was dated, it came up much older. Don't know if it was some kind of equipment problem. This kind of ties into a fairly recent news article about how scientists have discovered that carbon 14 dating was determined to have a high level of inaccuracy and science has some new form of dating which is much more precise - blah, blah, blah. As I recall, it has something to do with Uranium or something like that. >I think we have enough evidence to support evolution and the >Earth's existence before 6,000 years ago. To think otherwise in >face of the evidence is to conciously wallow in ignorance-and be >proud of it. I wouldn't take advise from such people, be >governed by such people nor do I want my children or >grandchildren hanging around such people. To me this isn't a >subject for argument anyway and a waste of time. I don't doubt that earth existed prior to 6,000 years ago. As to evolution, it is an interesting theory, but even its supporters admit that all crap, and copious commentary aside, we don't have the 'missing link'. So all we have is an interesting theory that, to this point, is is not fully proveable, just like much of science and much of what some of the Armageddon types unload on folks. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:30:06 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Gates >From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere >List, >I am providing posts from an ongoing dicussion at the Whispers >Discussion board between me, Duncan Lewis, Jay Milocsz, and >James Oberg. >--- >Oberg: Another example is based on a story a friend told me >while I was serving at Kirtland AFB in 1970-1. I was a member of >the 'Junior Officers Council', and another lieutenant who was >assigned to 'Broken Arrow' secondary duty loved to tell stories >about his experiences while doing exercises to recover lost >nuclear weapons. He had never been involved in a actual weapons >accident but had organized drills sevewral timesa year, >throughout New Mexico and neighboring states, to practice >coordination between the assigned Air Police units and local >police. He described with glee the gimmick his senior officer >had taught him, which had worked perfectly for many years, to >keep the existence of a nuclear weapon and possible hazardous >radiation from the general public. "It works like this," he >explained: "I call the Air Police sergeant over and tell him >we've got to keep the purpose of this cordon completely secret, >but strictly for his own personal information, so he can know >how important it is to keep the news from the public, it >involves the crash of a flying saucer." The officer then >grinned: "And nobody ever, ever suspected it was a nuclear >weapons exercise!" Gee, I am just shocked. Here a tale told, on a secondary basis, is foisted off as fact, yet if it involved a crashed saucer, the skeptics would be all over the tale about how it is so unreliable, blah, blah, blah. Not to mention the obvious. Do we have any kind of proof say from 1967-1971 there were two Broken Arrow exercises a year conducted and that they involved cordoned off areas wherein people were told was a flying saucer? At this point the answer is _no_, and the story is about as reliable as a pearl from one of Hoaglands insiders. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:43:12 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:32:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man - >From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 8:53:33 -0400 >Subject: Re: Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Reported <snip> >Robert, >No wait, it is even worst than that. Corso is on Greer's Witness >List. Good trick to get him to testify. But what did Corso say? Does give the phrase "digging up a witness" new meaning... :) >Why, he is the savior of humanity. He is responsible for the >erection of a space based defense against the evil ETs. Now >that goes against Greer's benovolent ETs? Only Greer can do the >backward flips to rationalize this one. In front of Congress >that should be a great help. Please support the Disclosure >Project - a laugh a minute. Naturally somehow, someway this will all tie into benovolent ET theories..... Naturally because the ET didn't fry Corso with some kind of laser gun or whatever in the mine meeting at white Sands, this will be proof of why they are only here for our best interests. >Again, who are the real disinformation agents, why they are >right here among us. One does wonder that. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:00:53 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:33:45 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - Speiser >From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere >List, >I am providing posts from an ongoing dicussion at the Whispers >Discussion board between me, Duncan Lewis, Jay Milocsz, and >James Oberg. >--- >Oberg: Another example is based on a story a friend told me >while I was serving at Kirtland AFB in 1970-1. I was a member of >the 'Junior Officers Council', and another lieutenant who was >assigned to 'Broken Arrow' secondary duty loved to tell stories >about his experiences while doing exercises to recover lost >nuclear weapons. He had never been involved in a actual weapons >accident but had organized drills sevewral timesa year, >throughout New Mexico and neighboring states, to practice >coordination between the assigned Air Police units and local >police. He described with glee the gimmick his senior officer >had taught him, which had worked perfectly for many years, to >keep the existence of a nuclear weapon and possible hazardous >radiation from the general public. "It works like this," he >explained: "I call the Air Police sergeant over and tell him >we've got to keep the purpose of this cordon completely secret, >but strictly for his own personal information, so he can know >how important it is to keep the news from the public, it >involves the crash of a flying saucer." The officer then >grinned: "And nobody ever, ever suspected it was a nuclear >weapons exercise!" >----- <snip> Duncan, et al... My impression from Oberg's article was that CSETI in particular (but I think it was addressed to UFO groups in general) would be well served to try to FOIA the government for information on "ruses" of this sort. Yet, from the discussion you passed along, it seems like it involves such low-level and unofficial activities that FOIA-ing (ugh!) would be a waste of time. How did Oberg propose we uncover these activities? Congressional hearings? I think if Oberg knows something, he is obligated to help us with the effort. ==JJS== FOIA, FOIAs, FOIA, FOIA-ing, FOIA'd, aw, FOoey!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:32:53 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:56:09 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>Stig, List: >>A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >>captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov >The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did >it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be >nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the >3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's >gravity..... >Don Ledger Hello Don: If I have this right, the stage swung out of Earth orbit, has been drifting around the Sun on an orbit slightly inside that of Earth, then finally was recaptured in a seemingly unlikely, but highly gratifying manner. The NASA people apparently worked out the rocket science (orbital mechanics) and find it entirely feasible. Very interesting really! I was in my salad days when those shots went up and it brings back some real memories. Its like an old friend came back. Now back to my spaghetti sauce. Best - Larry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:17:39 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:57:44 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:48:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT >>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There ><snip> >>>That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science >>>or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull >>>what and who you put your faith and trust into. ><snip> >>I think we have enough evidence to support evolution and the >>Earth's existence before 6,000 years ago. To think otherwise in >>face of the evidence is to conciously wallow in ignorance-and be >>proud of it. I wouldn't take advise from such people, be >>governed by such people nor do I want my children or >>grandchildren hanging around such people. To me this isn't a >>subject for argument anyway and a waste of time. ><snip> >I am glad Don qualified his reply with "I think". Biological >evolution is in fact nothing more than the current religious >myth which is not supported by scientific facts. Regretably, >students in our biology classes here are taught these beliefs >masquerading as science when in fact, it does not even satisfy >the criteria to be scientific (evolution cannot be observed, >cannot be measured, etc.). What is worse, students are not >allowed to question these beliefs or propose other explanations >without the risk of failing the course. Shouldn't schools be >places where academic freedom of thought can take place where >new ideas can be proposed and then challenged and put to the >test rather than be disallowed from the start? >It is interesting to note that some of my colleagues use their >belief in evolution to dismiss reported accounts of human >looking E.T.s. They reason that if life on Earth were to start >all over again, after another 5 billion years or so of >evolution, we would not look anything like what we do now. In >fact, creatures living on planets in other solar systems with >similar anatomies to our own, would be compelling evidence for a >creator God than it would be for evolution! >As for the age of the Earth and the universe being closer to >10,000 years old rather than 10,000,000,000 years old, >incredible as it sounds, there is scientific evidence to support >this. But many people like you (and I) are too stubborn to even >consider this evidence preferring to wallow in our ignorance. >One reason why after half a century ufology has not come closer >to the truth behind UFOs could be the result of this >stubborness. >I'm reminded of what we have been told about truth regarding >UFOs by certain insiders such as Baron Nicholas E. Von Poppen or >Margaret Fuller, often at great risk to their lives or >livelihood. For example, how many of us would be willing to >discard our cherished views that UFOs are of extraterrestrial >origin even if it was proven that UFO sightings from earliest >times have a direct connection to spiritualism? I may break into >an uncontrolable crying fit and then find another hobby... - - - Uh Nick? Unless I badly misread your paragraphs above, I take it you favor creationism over Darwinian evolution for the origin of the species. Is that correct? - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:40:26 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:00:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:48:19 +0200 >Subject: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens >Source: Pravda >http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/13/36569.html >Stig >*** >14:53 2002-09-13 >ISRAEL OCCUPIED BY ALIENS >Dozens of weird incidents have been reported in Israel since >1993 >** >Residents of the towns of Kadima and Rishon Letzion have >reported numerous sightings of UFOs in the spring of 1993. Some >people have even claimed that UFOs have landed on their lawns. >Circles were found on the landing sites, and ufologists >discovered silver-colored metal pieces or an oil-like red in >the circles. Hello Stig: The Kadima and Rishon Letzion stories, along with others far racier, trace back to one Barry Chamish if memory serves. Having been directly involved with "pure silicon" for the last 20 years or so, I can state with finality that there is nothing about pure (elemental) silicon which remotely resembles a "silver-colored metal" In fact, pure silicon, as opposed to Si02 which is silicon dioxide aka quartz aka glass (if doped with impurities) is as unsilvery as a non-metal is likely to get. The thin wafers of the purest silicon available are used in semiconductor manufacturing. Unless doped with other special elements (thereby becoming a "semiconductor"), it makes a better insulator of electricity .. just the opposite of a metal. It is extremely brittle. While opaque to visible light, it passes infrared light easily! The best description I can give is "black glass". I find it odd, ten years or more after the collapse of Soviet Communism, for a newpaper to call itself "Pravda" (Truth). Is there a mainstream newspaper in the English speaking world with such a name? If so, maybe they also publish silvery-metal silicon stories. If pure silicon is a silvery metal, my reading glasses are made of silly putty. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Oscar Magocsi 1928 - 2002 From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:14:48 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:14:48 -0400 Subject: Oscar Magocsi 1928 - 2002 Oscar Magocsi, a Canadian 'Contactee', passed on 8th September, peacefully, at home. Oscar was born in Hungary, immigrated to Canada and worked at CBC TV Toronto as a camera man. He became involved in UFO research in after a 21 Sept. 1974, experience outside Huntsville, Ontario. He claimed to have been aboard craft flying over Lake Ontario, taken by his friends, The Psycheans, and then transported to other worlds. He recounted his experiences in 'My Space Odyssey In UFOs', (1980) and in 'Beyond My Space Odyssey In UFOs', (1985).
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 International Lunacy Day? From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:47:32 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:46:58 -0400 Subject: International Lunacy Day? Is this International Lunacy Day, or something? I don't recall ever seeing so many nutty, ascientific, anti-scientific, crank messages and unfounded wild tales posted on this List in one day before. Barf! - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:58:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:32:53 -0700 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>>>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>Stig, List: >>>A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >>>captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >>>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov >>The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did >>it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be >>nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the >>3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's >>gravity..... >If I have this right, the stage swung out of Earth orbit, has >been drifting around the Sun on an orbit slightly inside that of >Earth, then finally was recaptured in a seemingly unlikely, but >highly gratifying manner. >The NASA people apparently worked out the rocket science >(orbital mechanics) and find it entirely feasible. >Very interesting really! I was in my salad days when those >shots went up and it brings back some real memories. Its like an >old friend came back. >Now back to my spaghetti sauce. Hi Larry, A few sighs of relief at NASA I'll betcha. But it's theory so far. I want more. Can Hubble see this? Anyone? Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:37:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:53:35 -0400 Subject: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap Hi List, Of late, Eastern Canada [the real East] has been blessed with an increase of UFO sightings. One on Thursday evening and early Friday morning which turns out to be bogus - even though it had some potential turns out to be a newly installed lighted cell tower. However over the last 4 weeks there have been 7 or 8 UFO reports in the local area. I'm wondering if these are UFOs shooed away from the Ontario/Quebec regions by Minister Collennette in keeping with his and the Federal Government's policy of schlepping all dangerous aircraft to the Maritime region. For the edification of our American friends, some one hundred plus International Flights out of or enroute the United States on 9/11 were re-routed to Moncton, New Brunswick, Halifax, Nova Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland. There's a real human interest story there. A few days ago Collenette [perhaps spelled wrong - but I don't care] one of the usual misfits that are placed in charge of Transport Canada, decided to share the fact that all of these aircraft were diverted from the more important parts of Canada to the three aforementioned and less important areas of the country in case there was a potential threat of terrorism. Only in Canada you say?[local joke] Anyway I'll be sending in a report of sorts sometime in the next week when I get all of them sorted out. Most are different types of aerial craft sighted on the same nights. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Venus Was There From: Manuel Borraz <maboay@teleline.es> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:20:18 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:55:42 -0400 Subject: Venus Was There For info. The Argentinean and Chilean sightings referenced below (posted to this List) show a good correlation to Venus about to set or just setting in the western sky. Manuel Borraz ----- 5 Jul 2002 Carmen de Patagones (Buenos Aires, Arg.) and Viedma (Rio Negro, Arg.) See: UFO Over Patagones Argentina Scott Corrales - 7 Jul 2002 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jul/m07-002.shtml "**Strange light seen last night by occupants of 268 homes ** UFOs REPORTED OVER PATAGONES" ....... 10 Jul 2002 Villarrica (Araucania, Chile) See: UFO Buzzes Villarica, Chile Scott Corrales - 15 Jul 2002 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jul/m15-007.shtml "UFO CAUSES SENSATION THROUGHOUT VILLARRICA" ....... 22 Jul 2002 Campamento Vespucio (Salta, Arg.) See: Argentina: Large UFO Causes Ground Effects Scott Corrales - 24 Jul 2002 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jul/m24-019.shtml "**An alleged UFO causes consternation at Campamento Vespucio** **Vespucio/ Phenomenon caused a commotion at oil settlement** Large UFO Causes Ground Effects Phone service throughout the region was interrupted and there were failures in several pieces of machinery." ....... 26(?) Jul 2002 Chascomus (Buenos Aires, Arg.) See: Lights Over Argentine Lagoon Again Scott Corrales - 29 Jul 2002 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/jul/m29-002.shtml "BREAKING NEWS Seen by several residents Strange lights over the lagoon (Image obtained at the laggon by EL FUERTE)" ....... 2 Sep 2002 Concepcion (Bio-Bio, Chile) See: Chile: All Signs Point To UFO Scott Corrales - 5 Sep 2002 http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/sep/m05-022.shtml "The Mystery of a "Strange Visitor" in the Chilean Sky" ....... Note: "The night was completely clear and it was indeed possible to see the stars. Even Venus, the planet habitually mistaken for a UFO, was slightly visible--on the _opposite side_ of the celestial dome." ["Cronica" newspaper, 4 Sep 2002] This is simply not true...
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 The South American UFO Flap From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:43:19 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:13:59 -0400 Subject: The South American UFO Flap "A superb website" - UFO Research Organisation Site of the month - September 2002 The South American UFO Flap is covered in detail at: The WHY? FILES http://www.thwhyfiles.co.uk See Animal Mutilations. Regular updates. Regards, Geoff Richardson
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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 14 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:58:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Ledger >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:32:53 -0700 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:15:18 +0200 >>>>Subject: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>>Stig, List: >>>A Saturn V third stage rocket, maybe Apollo 12, might have been >>>captured. Check out this neat JPL animation. >>>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov >>The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did >>it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be >>nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the >>3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's >>gravity..... >If I have this right, the stage swung out of Earth orbit, has >been drifting around the Sun on an orbit slightly inside that of >Earth, then finally was recaptured in a seemingly unlikely, but >highly gratifying manner. >The NASA people apparently worked out the rocket science >(orbital mechanics) and find it entirely feasible. >Very interesting really! I was in my salad days when those >shots went up and it brings back some real memories. Its like an >old friend came back. >Now back to my spaghetti sauce. Hi Larry, A few sighs of relief at NASA I'll betcha. But it's theory so far. I want more. Can Hubble see this? Anyone? Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:16:49 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:37:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:37:07 -0400 >Subject: Mini-Flap >For the edification of our American friends, some one hundred >plus International Flights out of or enroute the United States >on 9/11 were re-routed to Moncton, New Brunswick, Halifax, Nova >Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland. There's a real human interest >story there. I read all about that on the Gander website. I'm surprised we haven't seen a TV-movie about this. I'm picturing a scene near the opening showing a couple of lonely fishermen in rain slickers, watching 747 after 747 plough over their heads, landing at the airport... Hmmm, maybe I should write the screenplay....
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Re: he Oberg Challenge - Goldstein From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:00:17 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:40:17 -0400 Subject: Re: he Oberg Challenge - Goldstein >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:06:51 -0700 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >>Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 ><snip> >>>But don't stop merely with legalizing disclosure of all - if >>>any - government secrets about 'real UFOs'. I believe there is a >>>far more valuable body of 'secrets' that will help understand >>>the decades of UFO phenomena that the world has experienced. >>>This deals with government-related activities which directly or >>>indirectly led to public perceptions that UFOs might be real >>>when they weren't. Sometimes these actions were carefully >>>orchestrated in advance; sometimes they were localized impromptu >>>ad hoc damage-limitation tactics. But from my own experience, >>>they seem to have played a tremendous and widely unappreciated >>>role in inciting and enflaming public interest in UFOs while >>>deflecting public attention from real highly-classified >>>government activities. >>>I'm referring to situations where government representatives - >>>officials, military officers, etc. - used 'UFO' as a convenient >>>camouflage for other official classified activities (such as >>>retrieval of crashed aircraft or nuclear weapons or other >>>objects), or used artificial 'UFO stories' (in oral, written, >>>photographic, film, etc. form) as 'tracers' in studying the >>>function of security safeguards and personnel psychological >>>responses; or used 'UFO' as an excuse (either intended or >>>accidental) to cover up improper, forbidden, or diplomatically >>>delicate activities (such as aviation incidents involving >>>dangerous accidental or deliberate close passes or intercepts of >>>civilian airliners; or overseas excursions of agents on >>>intelligence missions where deflection of local perceptions was >>>useful; or to conceal from the country of origin the possession >>>of foreign military hardware); or played pranks and jokes on >>>intended or accidental targets; or any other activity that the >>>government - or any part of it - wanted to keep hidden, knowing >>>that having it thought of as 'UFO-related' would consign it to >>>the never-never-land of myth and nuttiness, thus keeping >>>mainstream media attention to a minimum. And it has worked! >>>Please include such 'UFO secrets' in your list of disclosure >>>demands, and ask that any government personnel involved in the >>>use (or misuse or abuse) of such practices be immune from any >>>government prosecution for the actions which led them to take >>>such measures. Once such immunity is verifiably granted, I have >>>my own list of people who have privately talked to me over the >>>years and who were involved in government activities leading to >>>a number of well-known 'UFO cases', which can be released and >>>which can help the public understand where and how much of >>>today's UFO mythology originated. >>>"This is a serious proposal deserving of serious consideration, >>>and promises immensely fruitful results." >>>End extract from Saucer Smear >>Hello Jim, >>Thanks for bringing this claim by Oberg to the attention of this >>List. He also stated that he can provide proof of his >>allegations through people who have had the clearances and a >>need to know their purposes. Jim, have you contacted Oberg and >>CSETI to see if this has ever been pursued? Has CSETI taken any >>statements from the people Oberg provided? I don't remember >>seing anything in the CSETI releases that was related to Oberg's >>claim.` >>If Oberg, as a skeptic, feels such knowledge is important to >>gaining a true knowledge as to the UFO perspective and that >>whistle blowers who release classified material do not get >>prosecuted, then he should back what he claims. He does not need >>to wait for CSETI to do anything. He should be pushed to >>directly provide the proof of his claims to the UFO field and >>the public. >>To me the question here is who and how to make Oberg prove his >>claim. Jim, are you willing to spearhead this action? I can not >>take it on at this time but I am willing to help in any way I >>can. I would like to hear what others on this list believe >>should be the best plan of action for him to stand behind his >>claims. >Josh: >I am returning to the field after a long absence, so I have not >had a chance to follow up on this; the Smear article was my >first exposure to it and my post here was for the purposes of >seeing if any other action had been taken. I'd rather not deal >with CSETI if it's avoidable. I've talked to Oberg once or >twice before, and find him to be a fairly benign skeptic, though >he parrots Klass to some degree he does tend to stick with his >"specialty," NASA and space-inspired UFO reports. I would be >willing to contact him and probe this challenge further, but I >want to be sure that this has not already been followed up on. >==JJS== Hi Jim, I deliberately didn't snip any of the past posts above because ever since your original post I have been hoping Mr. Oberg would reply on this List. Don't laugh, he occasionally posts on here. In the past I have had some off-List communication with him and will ask him directly if he does not reply to these posts on Updates. I'll try to get him to post his response on here. If not, I'll report on what I find out. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:33:57 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:41:56 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Goldstein >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:06:51 -0700 >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:37:04 +0200 >>Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: The Oberg Challenge >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:19:24 -0700 >I am returning to the field after a long absence, so I have not >had a chance to follow up on this; the Smear article was my >first exposure to it and my post here was for the purposes of >seeing if any other action had been taken. I'd rather not deal >with CSETI if it's avoidable. I've talked to Oberg once or >twice before, and find him to be a fairly benign skeptic, though >he parrots Klass to some degree he does tend to stick with his >"specialty," NASA and space-inspired UFO reports. I would be >willing to contact him and probe this challenge further, but I >want to be sure that this has not already been followed up on. >==JJS== Jim, in my last post I didn't intend to sound like I was taking the wind out of your sails taking you to contact Jim Oberg. I was just offering if you felt reluctant to do it. It's your choice, let me know. CSETI can wait and let's see if we get support for his statement right from the horse's mouth. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:45:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:43:37 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported ><snip> >>>Sounds like wild local rumors. >>Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and >>_then_ pass judgment. What you are doing here is pre-judging >>the case. >You're absolutely right, John. I am. My _guess_ from the past 50 >plus years of reports is that the following happened, in order >of probability: >1) Wild rumors. >2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a >cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. >3) Foul play. >4) All or any two of the above. >5) The World's first proven abduction/murder by ETs. >I'm willing to wait for the coroner's report. Clear skies, >Bob Young >"This definitely ranks a 9.0 on my weird stuff-o-meter" >-- "Jay" (Will Smith), Men in Black, 1995 Bob, I see the point here as being that: if you are an investigator or just trying to look at this objectively you would have long ago gotten past the tendency to guess an answer until all the evidence is analyzed. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Terrace, British Columbia Sighting - 09-13-02 From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:49:42 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:45:03 -0400 Subject: Terrace, British Columbia Sighting - 09-13-02 Terrace, British Columbia Date: September 14, 2002 Time: 9:03 p.m. A witness from Terrace , B.C. telephoned me tonight reporting that he and his girlfriend had just watched a large object passed close to their home heading south towards Kitimat, B.C. He went on to tell me the object was extremely large, and the color of it was as bright as an arc, from an arc welder, but white in color. The witness said the object was at least three to four times as big as the moon. When he first noticed the object, it was still at a distance, but as it grew closer to his location, the object grew larger, and brighter. At one point before the object reached their home, it stopped for a couple of seconds, then continued towards them and passing close by the property. They watched this large object get smaller and smaller as it flew to the south towards the Kitimat area. (HBCC UFO Note: When I was talking to the fellow who was reporting his sighting to me, I could hear his girlfriend in the background, she was extremely excited and still watching the area where they last seen it. The two witnesses were talking back and worth while I was taking the report. Both were very worked up over what they had just saw. Also I would like to point out that this is the second report of the same type of object which has been seen in the general area in the last week. Take care Brian HBCC UFO
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Richardson From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:04:29 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:50:28 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Richardson >From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:32:12 +0000 >Subject: Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:09:51 -0400 >>Subject: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame >>Hello All, >>After six months online, the signature count at the >>International Petition for UFO info disclosure website stands >>at 1,600. It is to our common shame that thus far, all of our >>combined effort has resulted in such a poor showing. ><snip> >Have any UFO groups, and there are many world wide, ever turned >down a request to post a link to the petition on their sites? >If that angle hasn't been tried, might it be worth trying? Please let me have a link to the petition and I will willingly add it to The WHY? FILES: http://www.thewhyfiles.co.uk Regards, Geoff Richardson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:33:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:53:03 -0400 Subject: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man Hello All, Peter Davenport who heads NUFORC (National UFO Reporting Center) generously consented to appear on 'Strange Days... Indeed' on Saturday night. The objective was to help clear up any confusion or misunderstanding that has attached itself to the recent report of the untimely and admittedly 'strange' death of Pennsylvania resident Todd Sees. Now-a-days just about any new, breaking story can easily become confused by the formidable and immediate input of the many thousands of people who are able to comment on it via the Web. Speculation, rumor, and 'jump the gun' style premature conclusions can be spread over the Internet with alarming speed. Peter's appearance on Strange Days... Indeed on Saturday will (hopefully) go a long way towards separating the facts of the case from some of the fiction that has already started to attach itself to it. Peter made it clear that: 1. Although there _are_ UFO reports that 'may be' directly related to the death of Todd Sees, the connection is not clear- cut. Peter informed us that the UFO related reports he has received thus far are from 'anonymous' sources (anonymous to Peter himself) and that they are to be taken with a grain of salt until further investigations can be conducted. 2. The dates given for the death of Mr. Sees and the 'anonymous' UFO reports from a fisherman and a farmer; that claim to have seen a disc shaped UFO lifting a man up into the bottom of the craft via a light 'beam,' are incidents that are separated by a period of two days. Mr Sees disappeared and died on August 4th. According to Peter the anonymous witnesses reported seeing the UFO over the ridge two days later on the 6th. The two incidents may or may not be related. All of that is yet to be determined. 3. Mr. Davenport has assured us that investigations into the details of this odd, disturbing case are ongoing. He promised to keep us all updated as to the progress of those investigations in as timely a manner as he can. 4. It is _clear_ that in spite of the possible UFO connection, the circumstances surrounding the death of Mr. Sees are _highly_ unusual and out of the ordinary. UFO connection or not, there is definitely something fishy about how this case is being handled by the authorities. The bottom line is; we all need to give investigators some time and breathing room to gather up as many facts as they can before (we) the general public muddy up the waters with any arm-chair speculations or premature conclusions. In the end it may turn out that this case does have a UFO component worthy of serious consideration. It's just way too early in the proceedings to make any kind of informed call on such a thing. The best thing we can all do is to be patient, let the ongoing investigation run its course, and then we can all comment and speculate based on whatever facts or new information the investigations may have brought to light. This is one of the more disturbing cases to come along in many a year. It would be a shame to bury what little facts have been gathered and released under a pile of gossip and guesses. Peter himself candidly admitted that he may have been a little premature in the release of this report. I say we all grant Peter and those investigating the matter whatever time they need to sniff out the truth of it all. Mr. Davenport will provide updates as they become available. I would like to publicly thank Peter for his time and for consenting to appear on SDI to help clarify the known facts (thus far) surrounding this very unsettling incident report. Let's all wait and see. Regards, John Velez, Contributing editor, Strange Days... Indeed Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Ted Bloecher? From: Luis R. Gonzalez <lrgm@arrakis.es> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:23:04 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:54:22 -0400 Subject: Ted Bloecher? I would like to contact Mr. Ted Bloecher with a question about an old case in his HUMCAT. Can anybody put me in touch with him (or vice versa) Luis R. Gonz=E1lez Manso lrgm@arrakis.es c/Plaza Toros Vieja 3A 2A 29002 M=E1laga SPAIN
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 'The Crop Busters' Sunday Times UK From: Dave Haith - visions@ntlworld.com Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:05:31 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:57:56 -0400 Subject: 'The Crop Busters' Sunday Times UK Note. There is some kind of copyright on this story for commercial use including websites. (Check the Sunday Times website for details) By posting to my friends on this List I consider this is "personal use" and therefore not an infringement of the copyright. Cheers, Dave Haith ----- The Sunday Times Magazine September 15, 2002 The crop busters Julie Cohen and Stuart Conway For years, crop circles have been taken as seriously as UFOs and fairies. Now, not only have the weird patterns arrived in Hollywood, but scientists are trying to solve the mystery. And the answer may lie in the soil As the helicopter landed on the roof of New York's Rockefeller Plaza, two uniformed security guards ran out, speaking into their microphone headsets, and rushed Nancy Talbott inside. She was ushered into a suite where a sumptuous buffet was laid out. Aides made a respectful retreat as the philanthropist Laurance S Rockefeller arrived. Talbott, the president of BLT Research Team Inc, an organisation formed to investigate physical changes in plants at crop circles, had been invited to lunch to discuss an exciting proposal. Hollywood has just given British audiences its version of what causes crop circles, in the movie Signs, with Mel Gibson playing a farming preacher who discovers a formation in his field. But Talbott had information on the real phenomenon. Preliminary research suggested the circles were made by an unknown energy. The puzzle began six years ago for Diane Conrad, a geologist who analysed soil samples from a circle near her home in Logan, Utah. To her surprise, they displayed a characteristic generally found in sedimentary rock, caused by the pressure of tons of rock heated by the Earth's core over considerable time. Yet these samples were surface soil from within the crop circle; outside the circle, the soil showed none of these inexplicable traits. 'I couldn't understand the results,' Conrad explains. 'The soil seems to have been subjected to an intense heat of 500 to 1,500 degrees Celsius, and yet the plants were not incinerated. They were not even singed.' What kind of energy could produce heat of that intensity, yet not burn the plants to a crisp? Conrad was unable to initiate an in-depth evaluation at the time, but she passed the information on to Talbott, who has dedicated the past 10 years to co-ordinating scientific research into the circles. Research of soil samples required expensive techniques, so her mission was to persuade Rockefeller to fund it. More than 10,000 circles have been reported around the world to date. Formations have appeared in tree tops, ice and sand as well as crops. Nobody knows how many are genuine anomalies and how many are man-made, and scientific investigation has been very limited. But Conrad's work raised questions that Talbott believed mainstream science could not ignore. After a convivial lunch, Talbott handed Rockefeller her proposal. A few weeks later, a cheque for a 'substantial amount' arrived in the post. Field teams in the Netherlands, the United States and Canada collected soil samples. A seven-circle formation reported in September 1999 in Edmonton, Alberta, was chosen for detailed analysis. A farmer and his wife reported seeing unexplained lights above the field about a week before the circles were discovered. Nearly 90 soil samples, as well as controls taken from outside the circles, were sent to Dr Sampath Iyengar, a mineralogist in San Diego, California. Clay minerals in the samples were analysed using a technique called x-ray powder diffraction (XRD). X-rays are beamed into the sample at various angles, and the way they deflect provides information about how the atoms are arranged, and the kind of mineral it is. Imagine a marble represents an atom in the mineral being examined. If you throw a handful of them on the ground, they will form a random pattern. If instead you line them up in rows, that would indicate an 'increase in crystallinity'; something has made them ordered, an as-yet-unexplained energy. This is what had happened to the surface soil from inside the crop circle. Nothing like this had ever been seen in surface soil. 'This would normally only be found in geologic sediments exposed to low temperatures and pressures over millions of years,' says Iyengar. 'In the laboratory, temperatures in the range of 600 to 800C are usually required to achieve such crystal growth. There is no way we could explain these results. It's some kind of energy, an unknown force, that's causing this.' Talbott, excited by the results, needed the report peer-reviewed by an authority. She decided to start at the top and went to Hanover, New Hampshire, where she banged on the door of Dr Robert C Reynolds Jr of Dartmouth College. A winner of the Roebling medal for lifelong achievement in mineralogy, Reynolds is an expert in x- ray diffraction. He asked for samples to be sent to his laboratory, and performed his own experiments. The results were the same. In a letter to Talbott, he said: '... I am convinced that the sample preparation methods and the x-ray analytical procedures used were consistent with sound, standard methods of analysis. But this brings up the question of the meaning of their results. 'Temperatures of 600 to 800 degrees Celsius are required in the laboratory for such growth and these conditions would have incinerated any plant material present. In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation...' For the crop- circle world, the involvement of such a distinguished expert in the subject is a great victory. It is the first time a scientist of his standing has taken an interest in the phenomenon. Where does the intense heat come from? Some witnesses claim to have seen small balls of light and heard trilling noises in the fields just before a circle has appeared, but whether this is related has yet to be proven. 'It is possible we are observing the effects of a new or as yet unrecognised energy source,' says Talbott in the BLT report. One of the biggest contributions to the scientific study of crop circles has come from the Michigan biophysicist W C Levengood, who began investigating plants taken from circles in 1990. The most curious anomalies he has studied are pinhead-sized holes in plant nodes, the fibrous 'knuckle-like' protuberances found along the stem. He calls these holes 'expulsion cavities'. Levengood believes moisture inside the stems is heated rapidly and turns to steam, in some places stretching the plant fibre, and in others blowing a hole in the stem. 'It seems to be a powerful microwave energy that is causing this; it heats from the inside out. The interesting thing is, these holes occur in a matter of microseconds.' The youngest, and most elastic, tissue in the plant stems is at the top, and it is here that he has consistently observed elongated nodes - stretched sometimes to double their normal length. Lower down, where the tissue is more fibrous and less elastic, expulsion cavities are regularly seen. These effects have never been found in control samples. Levengood also found changes to the seeds and germination capability of plants within the circles. When circles occur in mature plants with fully formed seeds, the seeds often grow up to five times faster than control seeds, and the seedlings can tolerate lack of water and light for a considerable time without apparent harm. While investigating the crop-circle seeds at his Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory in Grass Lake, Michigan, Levengood discovered a way of using a process he calls molecular impulse response (MIR). 'When I exposed the seeds to the MIR energy, I got the same effect as in the crop formation. We can produce seeds that grow a lot faster.' Along with his colleague John Burke, he patented the formula in 1998. Is the agricultural industry interested? 'Oh yes. We hope the grain will be ready next year. There are several companies doing big field trials at the moment.' This summer, field researchers found expulsion cavities inside a formation resembling a celtic knot in Avebury Trusloe, Wiltshire. The formation, reported on June 2 in a barley field, was examined by the former government scientist Rodney Ashby, who began investigating crop circles six years ago. 'The stretched nodes and expulsion cavities in this formation are very interesting,' he says. 'This occurred only on the stems that were flattened to create the formation. I always look for the most logical explanation, but in cases like this there just doesn't seem to be one.' From the edge of the field in the waist-high barley, it is impossible to see the downed crop. The only extraordinary features seem to be the ancient Adam and Eve stones in the next field. Scholars believe they marked the beginning of an avenue of stones leading to the stone circle around Avebury. A few hundred yards inside the field, the crop suddenly flattens in swirling patterns. Daniel Lobb, a field researcher, picks up a handful of barley stalks. Sure enough, there are tiny holes and stretched nodes that are double the length of the plants outside the circle. Next morning at the Silent Circle, a cafe in Cherhill, the hub of crop-circle information, 15 people are watching a video of the latest circle. A map on the wall covered with pins is quickly updated with the position of the most recent formation. The cafe walls are covered with aerial photographs of the 70 circles reported so far in the UK this year, and posters by the former architect and professor of design Michael Glickman, who draws the geometry of the formations. 'Let's go,' cries Glickman. It's like a call to the hunt, and everyone piles into their cars. In the lead is Glickman, followed by the Croatian documentary maker Nikola Duper, then three Italian women, a Dutch couple who have come to Wiltshire for the past 10 years to see the circles, and us. The convoy snakes along narrow roads past thatched cottages in tiny villages. Everyone is waving and chatting excitedly on their mobiles about what the shape could be. As we pull up by the field, we see people on stepladders holding cameras attached to long poles, trying to get an aerial shot. A helicopter circles overhead and the 'croppies', as they are known, pull out cameras and notebooks. Next day, when the aerial pictures are put up in the cafe, there is concern that it may be man-made. 'We're under attack,' says Glickman as he sips his coffee dejectedly. 'It's a waste of researchers' time and money to be polluting the fields with these second-rate man-made circles when there's a real phenomenon needing more studies.' Interest in the circles has intensified this year. Signs opened in the US on August 2 and took more than $60m in its first three days, sending it straight to No 1 at the US box office. The British drama A Place to Stay, set in the crop circles of Wiltshire, also looks set to pique public interest. Freddy Silva, the British author of the recent book Secrets in the Fields, which sold 10,000 copies in the US in its first week, is looking over a formation at the Gallops, near Beckhampton, an impressive shape with 76 radiating spokes. A deer leaps to the centre and stays for a few moments before running out. 'Whatever Hollywood comes up with about the theories behind the crop circles, it will never be as intriguing and mysterious as the real thing,' says Silva. ________________________________________________________ E-mail address: visions@ntlworld.com Infinity Channel Group: http://tinyurl.com/1am1 Joanne's webpage in Positive Health magazine: http://tinyurl.com/1alt Joanne's entry on uktherapists.com website: http://tinyurl.com/1alo ________________________________________________________ 'If you keep a green bough in your heart the singing bird will come' ___________________________________________________________ 'You must be the change you wish to see in the world' Gandhi ___________________________________________________________
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle Formation From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:46:54 +0000 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:59:22 -0400 Subject: CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle Formation CCCRN NEWS The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada September 15, 2002 _____________________________ CROP WATCH 2002 SINGLE CIRCLE FORMATION - RADVILLE, SASKATCHEWAN; UPDATE - WEYBURN, MIDALE, LIMEHOUSE AND MISSION FORMATIONS Single circle reported by pilot and CCCRN field research assistant John Erickson near Radville, Saskatchewan. Further details pending. This is the thirteenth report for 2002. Some of my initial scan photos of stalk node anomalies (canary seed crop) from the Weyburn, Saskatchewan formation have been posted to the web site, showing swollen (primarily on one side of the stalk), torn and ruptured nodes from inside formation compared with normal control nodes from outside formation. Also, some of the evening photos I took inside the formation have interesting multiple BOLs ('balls of light') in them, some quite large and bright; these will be posted also asap. Possibly flash reflections from mosquitoes or dust, but they are another anomaly to be studied further in any case. Ground examination and aerial photos of the Midale, Saskatchewan formation have shown that a small sixth circle was added to the cluster of five existing circles near the larger ring sometime between the initial report August 17 and the CCCRN ground / air studies done on September 4 (as well as many paths by visitors!). Additional aerial and ground photos will be posted asap. Subsequent recent ground photos taken at the Limehouse, Ontario formation by CCCRN field research assistant Matt Rock show a pronounced 'greening' of the cut crop (wheat) inside the flattened areas of the formation. Some of these have been posted to the web site. Also re the two Mission, BC formations in corn, the landowner has denied further investigation by CCCRN or anyone else after consultation with his family. Sampling for lab studies will therefore not be possible, especially unfortunate as formations in the Fraser Valley area here near Vancouver are very rare, almost unheard of. There is also a rumour that these were 'Signs'-related creations by local youth and there is a movie complex nearby. Additional photos to be posted for these formations asap as well. The Media page has also been updated again, with further listings including a front page story in the Calgary Herald newspaper (September 5), additional filming by Partners in Motion (Regina, SK) for an upcoming program on the Canadian circles in Spring of 2003 (tentatively for the Discovery Channel), as well as previously noted major pieces including the soon upcoming Star Dreams documentary this fall (Space), the Unsolved Mysteries program in the US on the 2001 Canadian circles (August 2), a feature cover story in Prairie Dog (July 25, Regina, SK), and others. http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada/circlescanada02.html http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada/media.html Crop Watch is an annual research project of CCCRN, including field investigations and studies of formations, aerial surveillance and awareness initiatives for farmers, the public and the media, in particular during the prime August / September 'circle season' on the Canadian prairies ____________________________ CCCRN News is the e-news service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, providing e-mail updates with the latest news and reports on the crop circle phenomenon in Canada, as well as other information on CCCRN-related projects and events, sent free to your e-mail. To subscribe, send an e-mail with Subscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with Unsubscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network is a non-profit research organization which has been investigating and documenting the crop circle phenomenon and other possibly related phenomena in Canada since 1995, creating a liason between researchers, farmers, the public, the media and scientists in trying to solve this ongoing enigma. Main Office 202 - 325 East 14th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5T 2M9 Canada Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Cell: 604.727.1454 E-Mail: psa@look.ca Web: http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada =A9 Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 15 Russian Invents 'Flying Saucer' For Everyday Use From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:44:17 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:01:12 -0400 Subject: Russian Invents 'Flying Saucer' For Everyday Use Source: Vladivostok News, http://vlad.tribnet.com/News/upd12.HTM Go to the site for photos! Stig *** September 12, 2002 Russian inventor peddles "flying saucer" at APEC mart By Anatoly Medetsky ** Among the stands advertising tropical tours, herbal remedies and ore mining projects at the APEC investment conference in Russia's Pacific port of Vladivostok, a former Soviet Air Force pilot hawks his latest invention: a futuristic vehicle that imitates a flying saucer. A meter-long (3-foot-long) oval disk, equipped with tail wings sticking upward, dangles on a rope above Yuri Bezrukov's head, while a TV screen in the corner shows a computer-animated film about possible uses for the five-seat craft - a weekend hop to a deserted island, a rush-hour dash to the center of town. Bezrukov has dubbed his vehicle Diskolyot, which translates into flying disk. Fifteen million dollars is all he needs to launch his brainchild, he hopefully announces to all who stop by his booth. A scientist and economist who directs a branch of the Far Eastern Institute for Research, Design, Construction and Technology, Bezrukov has been recognized as an Honored Inventor of Russia - a title the state bestows on its most respected innovators. Unfortunately, the state hasn't backed up the honor with financing. Bezrukov has taken out a Russian patent on what he calls "creation of lifting power by unconventional means," but he keeps the detailed specifications for his craft secret. He says he doesn't have the money for an international patent. Bezrukov hasn't tested a life-size model because of finances, but a smaller electric-powered model he made in 1999 did lift 20 centimeters (8 inches) into the air, he says. "There is a principle of likeness in science," Bezrukov says. "If a small one took off, then a larger one will, too." The flying saucer is designed to be six meters long and fly at a speed of 700 kilometers per hour (437 mph) using two 250- horsepower engines. The price tag for each saucer would be $120,000. Bezrukov says he'll need as much as $13 million to produce a test model, which requires developing new steering mechanisms for the vehicle's unusual aerodynamics. "I know how to do it," he says. Bezrukov plans to produce 786 flying saucers per year, paying back the investment in five years. He's already chosen his production site: the Progress military aviation plant, which, like other defense factories, has been forced to drastically scale down its business since the 1991 Soviet collapse. Based in the Russian Far Eastern town of Arseniev, it now mostly produces anti-ship supersonic cruise missiles, known in NATO as Sunburn. Progress deputy chief engineer Andrei Kuznetsov said the plant would be happy to collaborate with Bezrukov, "but let him show us what to do and with what money." ** Editor Anatoly Medetsky Reporter Anna Malpas Translator Alyona Sokolova Web administrator Svetlana Gurieva Copyright =A9 2002 "Vladivostok Novosti" This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed in any form. 13 Narodny Prospect Vladivostok, 690014 Russia Phone: 7 (4232) 415-590, Fax: 7 (4232) 415-615 Published by Vladivostok Novosti, Ltd.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 CCCRN News: Four Formations - Punnichy, From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:22:55 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:12:55 -0400 Subject: CCCRN News: Four Formations - Punnichy, CCCRN NEWS The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada September 16, 2002 _____________________________ CROP WATCH 2002 FOUR FORMATIONS - PUNNICHY, SASKATCHEWAN Four more formations reported in Saskatchewan, by CCCRN field research assistant Beata Van Berkom and Kevin Schlosser. Found early September, reported after another article on the Canadian circles in the Western Producer agricultural newspaper on September 12. First is three circles in a triangular pattern joined together by pathways in wheat, approximately 20 metres (65 feet) across. Counterclockwise lay in all three circles. Two pathways laid from center point toward two of the circles, the other from the third circle toward the center point. Sporadic 'burn marks' in the formation. Second is a single circle in wheat, approximately 5.8 metres (19 feet) diametre. Counterclockwise lay. About 1.6 kilometres (1 mile) east of first formation. Third is a circle with attached pathway in wheat, approximately 18 metres (60 feet) long. Counterclockwise lay in circle. Pathway ends at edge of crop field, next to a power pole. About 5.6 kilometres (3.5 miles) southeast of first formation. Fourth is five circles in wheat (configuration not known). About 6.4 kilometres (4 miles) southeast of first formation. Initial ground photos have been added to the web site for the first three formations. Further details pending. These are the fourteenth to seventeenth reports for 2002. http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada/circlescanada02.html Crop Watch is an annual research project of CCCRN, including field investigations and studies of formations, aerial surveillance and awareness initiatives for farmers, the public and the media, in particular during the prime August / September 'circle season' on the Canadian prairies ____________________________ CCCRN News is the e-news service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, providing e-mail updates with the latest news and reports on the crop circle phenomenon in Canada, as well as other information on CCCRN-related projects and events, sent free to your e-mail. To subscribe, send an e-mail with Subscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network is a non-profit research organization which has been investigating and documenting the crop circle phenomenon and other possibly related phenomena in Canada since 1995, creating a liason between researchers, farmers, the public, the media and scientists in trying to solve this ongoing enigma. Main Office 202 - 325 East 14th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5T 2M9 Canada Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Cell: 604.727.1454 E-Mail: psa@look.ca Web: http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada =A9 Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 New Daylight UFO Photos From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:56:26 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:18:20 -0400 Subject: New Daylight UFO Photos Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 New Books For Review From: Philip Mantle <philipmantle@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:26:04 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:29 -0400 Subject: New Books For Review This is to remind the List that if you are interested in reviewing the up-coming books on the Alien Abduction enigma entitled 'Without Consent' By Carl Nagaitis & Philip Mantle, and, 'Awakening' By Mary Rodwell, please e-mail: lisamsykes@lycos.com at the earliest opportunity. Many thanks, Philip Mantle. www.beyondpublications.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:05:11 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:16:49 -0700 >Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:37:07 -0400 >>Subject: Mini-Flap >>For the edification of our American friends, some one hundred >>plus International Flights out of or enroute the United States >>on 9/11 were re-routed to Moncton, New Brunswick, Halifax, Nova >>Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland. There's a real human interest >>story there. >I read all about that on the Gander website. I'm surprised we >haven't seen a TV-movie about this. I'm picturing a scene near >the opening showing a couple of lonely fishermen in rain >slickers, watching 747 after 747 plough over their heads, >landing at the airport... >Hmmm, maybe I should write the screenplay.... Hi Jim, I'm sure there's a script around for these events somewhere - but fill your boots [as they say on the Rock and here in NS]. The editorial pages of the newspapers here were filled for weeks with letters to the editor from passengers who stayed here for the few days or a week. I had an overhead shot of runway 15/33 [6,800 feet] at Halifax International [YHZ] where some 63 aircraft were lined up nose to tail in two rows of A-300s, 747 -777 aircraft and some MD-11s mixed in. There was an opening for the 8,800 foot 24/06 runway so they could continue operations at YHZ. The local population incresed by about 15,000 people. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:54:20 -0400 Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships Hi Everyone! Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. Nick Balaskas ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: NASA Science News <snglist@LYRIS.msfc.nasa.gov> To: NASA Science News <snglist@LYRIS.msfc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:12:02 -0500 Subject: The Right Stuff for Super-spaceships NASA Science News for September 16, 2002 Imagine a "holistic spaceship" that behaves eerily alive - even telling you when it feels bad; that travels much faster and weighs much less than ordinary spacecraft; that scientists will design molecule-by-molecule. NASA researchers say it's not so far-fetched! (This is the fourth story in an ongoing September- series about the advancing technology of space exploration.) FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/16sep_rightstuff.htm?list100309 <snip>
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Who _Is_ That? From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:23:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:56:15 -0400 Subject: Who _Is_ That? Hi List, Anyone who received a MUFON Journal in August will note an article in there about me and the subject matter of my presentation at the MUFON Conference in Rochester in July. There is a picture accompanying it undertitled as me. I don't know who this handsome gentleman is however it ain't me. My apologies to him. My thanks to Eugene Frisson national Director/MUFON Canada. for sending me the attachment, though he was unaware of this mistake since we've never met, in person. Best, Don Ledger PS -Anyone know who the fellow is that had his identity changed?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:56:30 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:59:42 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame - Velez >From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:32:12 +0000 >Subject: Re: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:09:51 -0400 >>Subject: UFO Petition Update: Common Shame >>Hello All, >>After six months online, the signature count at the >>International Petition for UFO info disclosure website stands >>at 1,600. It is to our common shame that thus far, all of our >>combined effort has resulted in such a poor showing. ><snip> >Have any UFO groups, and there are many world wide, ever turned >down a request to post a link to the petition on their sites? >If that angle hasn't been tried, might it be worth trying? Hi Eleanor, Sorry for the delayed response. This one got by me somehow. In answer to your question, yes. I have been turned down by a couple of people. Ones that would shock and surprise you. As for requesting links... I have been doing that consistently from day one via this List and the Virtually Strange Network website. There are way too many UFO-related sites for me to contact them all, one at a time. It's much easier to simply cast a net into the water and use the wide dissemination capabilities of the Internet, Strange Days... Indeed (thank you Errol) and a widely read List such as UFO UpDates. As much as I'd love to dedicate more time to promoting the petition, this is not what I do for a living. I have to work _every_day_ to earn the money I need to enjoy the privilege of talking to you over the Internet. Its one of the shames of ufology that ideas/things like the International Petition to the U.N. is left up to schmucks like me who don't have the time or the resources to do it the way it can be/should be, done. I had hoped to get much more help, a much bigger response, and enough support to make it a shoe-in for success - to have the petition signed by large numbers of people from every nook and cranny on the planet. I'm up against apathy. The only way to fight that monster is; to continue doing the best I can; keep in there swinging the bat; and hope that (at some point) I can make contact with the ball. Beyond that, the petition's success really is up to all of you. My conscience is clear, I know I'm doing my part. I'm still waiting for others to offer to join the effort. This whole thing is about providing a big umbrella that everybody can gather around. If we manage to convince a few nations to join the short list of those who have made full UFO information disclosure, it would be like icing on a wedding cake. But the important thing that would have been accomplished in the process would be, the newly opened channels of communication between people who share a common interest. And it would be composed of people from all parts of the world. An 'instrument' that could be used quite effectively to advance our knowledge of a phenomenon that affects us all. It's simple: Read and sign the petition. Tell _everyone_ you know to read it and sign it. By taking on the responsibility of spreading the word yourself, you will insure the petitions success. There is no_other_way to do it. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:05:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:01:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:45:47 +0200 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >><snip> >>>>Sounds like wild local rumors. >>>Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and >>>_then_ pass judgment. What you are doing here is pre-judging >>>the case. >>You're absolutely right, John. I am. My _guess_ from the past 50 >>plus years of reports is that the following happened, in order >>of probability: >>1) Wild rumors. >>2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a >>cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. >>3) Foul play. >>4) All or any two of the above. >>5) The World's first proven abduction/murder by ETs. >>I'm willing to wait for the coroner's report. >Clear skies, >>"This definitely ranks a 9.0 on my weird stuff-o-meter" >>-- "Jay" (Will Smith), Men in Black, 1995 >Bob, >I see the point here as being that: if you are an investigator >or just trying to look at this objectively you would have long >ago gotten past the tendency to guess an answer until all the >evidence is analyzed. Hiya Josh, Ever hear the old axiom about 'beating a dead horse'? Well, this particular equine specimen joined the chorus invisible many moons ago. Every once in a while one of us will stumble over the rotting corpse and fail to resist the urge to whack it with a stick - just one more time. I don't know, maybe it's just a morbid need to find out if it's 'really' dead. Maybe we should form a club of 'dead-horse whackers'. Lord knows there are enough of us on this List. Just about every time Bob opens his mouth... somebody grabs a length of oil-soaked timber and takes a healthy swat at him. I know, you don't have to tell me, it _is_ hard to resist. :) Warm regards, John Velez, D.H.W. (Dead Horse Whacker) Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:02:21 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:05:04 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - >From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere >List, >I am providing posts from an ongoing dicussion at the Whispers >Discussion board between me, Duncan Lewis, Jay Milocsz, and >James Oberg. Hello Duncan and fellow Listerions, Thanks for posting to clear up the basis of Jim Oberg's statements. I had posted my last messages to Jim Speiser, went away for a few days, and saw this on my return. It looks as though you have asked him pertinent questions regarding his allegations and that you posted a well thought response. So, he has no hard information but has second hand stories, speculations, and assumptions. I don't have any further questions of Jim Oberg's original claim. This has caused me to think about the enigma of the alleged MJ-12 documents. To me, other than the matters of whether they are true, partially true, all fakes, whether Tim Cooper, the Woods etc. are accurate or not, stands alongside the question of why they were produced and disseminated through the mail and Cooper's sources. If they are all genuine I can understand why someone on the inside might want to sneak them out for the public good. If they are fake or partly faked, it seems to me to have been a very elaborate and exhausting job to create them. That leads me to speculate that they weren't the product of one person unless that person was incredibly compulsive in his personal mission. I'm guessing that even if Richard Doty was involved it would involve AFOSI, even after he left the service. My guess is that if he did this on his own he would have gotten in trouble with his agency. If an agency was involved in creating fake papers I don't understand the purpose other than to create confusion through psywar disinformation techniques. If these documents were created to confuse the USSR or others in past decades, then why wold an agency release them through the after the end of the cold war? Even their release to the USSR during the cold war would certainly increase Soviet spying. If they were supposed to throw UFO researchers and their public off track, then why release documents that would cause a large number of people to intensify their demands on the US government to admit what may be known regarding UFOs? The Disclosure Project is a sloppy mess caused by Stephen Greer's flakeiness. The MJ-12 papers releases did nothing to prevent people such as Greer's more solid witnesses from spilling their beans and pursuing disclosure from the government. The MJ-12 papers may have stimulated some of those people going public. To me that would have caused more problems for the government than their release would have been worth. If true, they may as well have released them directly and been ready to elaborate further. If fake, I don't understand their purpose for release. If individually created and disseminated to throw confusion into UFO investigators they would be the products of a compulsive joker or jokers. I just can't understand a private person's tremendous work to create these documents. I am curious as to what other Listerions may think is the purpose behind the MJ-12 documents' origins and releases. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Rudiak From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:10:05 -0400 Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Rudiak >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:56:26 +1000 >Subject: New Daylight UFO Photos >Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm Very interesting. People may want to compare it to the very similar so-called "Nellis UFO" and other multi-lobed objects filmed over the last 10 years. See write-up at my Web-site: http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/nellis_main.html A good image analysis is needed here to minimize the likelihood of hoax, since the images are digital and easier to fake than photos. Bruce Maccabee, are you out there and interested? David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:16:24 -0400 Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically analyzing Moore's model. It turns out that not only did Moore make a lot of hidden, improbable assumptions in an attempt to get Flight #4 to the ranch crash site, he also hoaxed his own model when even these assumptions failed. Basically he 'cooked the books', secretly altering his own table of wind velocities to get a trajectory that would work. Thus his table trajectory is completely different from the one he plots in his book, the table trajectory missing his desired crash site by about 15 miles. Furthermore, any set of more reasonable assumptions has Flight #4 missing the ranch by much wider margins. An alternate theory of the demise of Flight #4 is presented and how it might tie-in with the Roswell case. This concerns a claimed balloon crash site described by AP reporter Jason Kellahin about 30 miles NE of the Foster Ranch site, where Kellahin claims to have met Brazel and military before they all went to Roswell and Brazel gave his interview. For the full article on Moore's hoax, complete with many graphs, tables, and maps, see: http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4_Trajectory.html This isn't the first time Moore has been caught being inconsistent, inaccurate, or a little less than truthful. E.g., the article also shows how he tried to shamelessly spin the weather data and flight launch time, completely reversing his position in 1997 from the one he had in 1995. Another example is given of how landmarks he claims to be unique to Flight #4 and on which he pins his trajectory turn out not to be unique at all. And Brad Sparks just caught him deliberately altering a Mogul Flight #5 graphic and lying about how close Flight #5 came to Roswell base the next day, all in an apparent attempt to justify his claim that Roswell base knew nothing of Project Mogul. Now that Moore has been caught red-handed in a hoax, what does this do to the credibility of his overall testimony? Will the skeptics have the courage to criticize Moore for falsifying evidence? Can pigs fly? Another item just added is a historical photo from the July 29, 1952 press conference where Gen.'s Samford & Ramey debunked the Washington radar/visual/jet intercept cases. See: http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/Ramey_info.html I'll also soon have a revised file of witness debris descriptions that I originally put on the Web back in 1996. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Sighting Mercier, Quebec From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:43:15 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:19:42 -0400 Subject: Sighting Mercier, Quebec Outside - Mercier, QC, Canada Witnesses Comment: Possible UFO ? Date: September 15th ,2002 Time: 8:00 p.m. To whom it may concern, The following events occurred on Sunday the 15th of September, 2002. We (my husband, myself and our two children) were on our way home from our country place near Huntington, QC to our home in Montreal. As we were driving down the road just outside of Mercier I saw what appeared to be really bright stars in the distance. After a few minutes I asked my husband " Are those airplanes up ahead, or really bright stars?" Considering that tonight was overcast and no other stars were visible in the sky he responded that they were probably helicopters looking for pot fields. After about 5 minutes the two lights ahead in the sky changed position. The one that was higher up, and to the right remained in the same place, but the lower one to the left began to move westward at a fast pace. Now we were very curious as it was moving far too quickly to be a helicopter. Our 8 year old son who was in the back seat pointed out another one to the right of our vehicle visible from the passenger side. (the other one was still immobile in front of us) While we were stopped at a light (around 8 pm) the one on the passenger side slowly flew over head. I unrolled my window and stuck my head out for a better view...what I saw gave me shivers...this was no plane or helicopter. The object was triangular with lights at all three corners. I have seen thousand of airplane and helicopters at night, and never have I ever seen light formations such as these on an aircraft, nor have I ever seen an aircraft first be stationary in the sky then move quickly such as these. We saw them for about 10 - 15 minutes, and there were about 5 different craft in the sky at the time... all of this same type though we only saw two of them fly directly overhead. My husband, son and myself all saw the distinct triangle...and my husband swears he could see the sky through the center of the triangle. This object appeared to be larger than a 747, and flying quite low for us to see it's shape so clearly. There was not a star in the sky as it was over cast. After we crossed the Mercier bridge and passed the Dorval airport we saw many other airplanes... some flying directly overhead...and I did not see that looked like this triangular object. (Not to our surprise as I had previously mentioned it moved like no other aircraft we had ever seen.) Our son said it might be a stealth bomber..which I refute due to the fact that it was much larger than the stealth...much more triangular, had lights and as far as I know Stealth's do not remain stationary in the air. Surely someone else has seen these lights... when we were stopped at the lights there were many other cars around, but none seemed to be gazing at the sky..... Once we got home my husband and myself decided to do a little investigation on the internet, apparently there have been a few sightings in Quebec along the St. Laurence river (one even in the exact area we were in) most involving triangular, or chevron shaped anomalies in the sky. Is the Canadian government testing any air craft (at night) that would fit this description? Or are they as I fear (I'm a big chicken) U.F.O's? In the hopes from getting feed back from people who have seen these aircraft, or at the very least know more about UFOs than we do, we are posting this account on pertinent web sites, and sending it out to some local enthusiasts. Sincerely, (name deleted by HBCC UFO)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:20:44 -0400 Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >Hi Everyone! >Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on >the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial >craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. >Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous >claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, >NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one >day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one >day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. >Nick Balaskas Yes, Nick, and some day pigs may fly. Or Steven Greer may even turn honest. Most anything is possible, not to be confused with probable. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Who _Is_ That? From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:23:52 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:56:15 -0400 Subject: Who _Is_ That? Hi List, Anyone who received a MUFON Journal in August will note an article in there about me and the subject matter of my presentation at the MUFON Conference in Rochester in July. There is a picture accompanying it undertitled as me. I don't know who this handsome gentleman is however it ain't me. My apologies to him. My thanks to Eugene Frisson national Director/MUFON Canada. for sending me the attachment, though he was unaware of this mistake since we've never met, in person. Best, Don Ledger PS -Anyone know who the fellow is that had his identity changed?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:02:21 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:05:04 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere - >From: Duncan Ives Lewis <iveslewis@yahoo.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: The Oberg Challenge - Oberg Elsewhere >List, >I am providing posts from an ongoing dicussion at the Whispers >Discussion board between me, Duncan Lewis, Jay Milocsz, and >James Oberg. Hello Duncan and fellow Listerions, Thanks for posting to clear up the basis of Jim Oberg's statements. I had posted my last messages to Jim Speiser, went away for a few days, and saw this on my return. It looks as though you have asked him pertinent questions regarding his allegations and that you posted a well thought response. So, he has no hard information but has second hand stories, speculations, and assumptions. I don't have any further questions of Jim Oberg's original claim. This has caused me to think about the enigma of the alleged MJ-12 documents. To me, other than the matters of whether they are true, partially true, all fakes, whether Tim Cooper, the Woods etc. are accurate or not, stands alongside the question of why they were produced and disseminated through the mail and Cooper's sources. If they are all genuine I can understand why someone on the inside might want to sneak them out for the public good. If they are fake or partly faked, it seems to me to have been a very elaborate and exhausting job to create them. That leads me to speculate that they weren't the product of one person unless that person was incredibly compulsive in his personal mission. I'm guessing that even if Richard Doty was involved it would involve AFOSI, even after he left the service. My guess is that if he did this on his own he would have gotten in trouble with his agency. If an agency was involved in creating fake papers I don't understand the purpose other than to create confusion through psywar disinformation techniques. If these documents were created to confuse the USSR or others in past decades, then why wold an agency release them through the after the end of the cold war? Even their release to the USSR during the cold war would certainly increase Soviet spying. If they were supposed to throw UFO researchers and their public off track, then why release documents that would cause a large number of people to intensify their demands on the US government to admit what may be known regarding UFOs? The Disclosure Project is a sloppy mess caused by Stephen Greer's flakeiness. The MJ-12 papers releases did nothing to prevent people such as Greer's more solid witnesses from spilling their beans and pursuing disclosure from the government. The MJ-12 papers may have stimulated some of those people going public. To me that would have caused more problems for the government than their release would have been worth. If true, they may as well have released them directly and been ready to elaborate further. If fake, I don't understand their purpose for release. If individually created and disseminated to throw confusion into UFO investigators they would be the products of a compulsive joker or jokers. I just can't understand a private person's tremendous work to create these documents. I am curious as to what other Listerions may think is the purpose behind the MJ-12 documents' origins and releases. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 16 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:05:50 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:01:32 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:45:47 +0200 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:39:35 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:09:36 EDT >>>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >><snip> >>>>Sounds like wild local rumors. >>>Why don't we all take a beat, wait and see what develops, and >>>_then_ pass judgment. What you are doing here is pre-judging >>>the case. >>You're absolutely right, John. I am. My _guess_ from the past 50 >>plus years of reports is that the following happened, in order >>of probability: >>1) Wild rumors. >>2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a >>cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. >>3) Foul play. >>4) All or any two of the above. >>5) The World's first proven abduction/murder by ETs. >>I'm willing to wait for the coroner's report. >Clear skies, >>"This definitely ranks a 9.0 on my weird stuff-o-meter" >>-- "Jay" (Will Smith), Men in Black, 1995 >Bob, >I see the point here as being that: if you are an investigator >or just trying to look at this objectively you would have long >ago gotten past the tendency to guess an answer until all the >evidence is analyzed. Hiya Josh, Ever hear the old axiom about 'beating a dead horse'? Well, this particular equine specimen joined the chorus invisible many moons ago. Every once in a while one of us will stumble over the rotting corpse and fail to resist the urge to whack it with a stick - just one more time. I don't know, maybe it's just a morbid need to find out if it's 'really' dead. Maybe we should form a club of 'dead-horse whackers'. Lord knows there are enough of us on this List. Just about every time Bob opens his mouth... somebody grabs a length of oil-soaked timber and takes a healthy swat at him. I know, you don't have to tell me, it _is_ hard to resist. :) Warm regards, John Velez, D.H.W. (Dead Horse Whacker) Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 RIAP Kharkov Ukraine From: Alexander Beletsky <riap777@SoftHome.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:41:50 +0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:38:37 -0400 Subject: RIAP Kharkov Ukraine Research Institute on Anomalous Phenomena, Kharkov, Ukraine Dear Colleague, My name is Alexander Beletsky. I am Vice-Director of Research Institute on Anomalous Phenomena (RIAP) - an independent scientific-research body, established in Kharkov (Ukraine) ten years ago. We aim at scientific studies in the fields of the UFO problem and the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) question. The Institute makes its investigations in close collaboration with the CIS Academy of Cosmonautics and Russian Academy of Sciences. Please find here attached (as Appendix I) a RIAP Information Leaflet describing the Institute's research programs in some detail. To inform the international ufological community about the results of investigations that are conducted by RIAP specialists and other scientists in the territory of the former Soviet Union, we started, in 1994, a special periodical: newsletter RIAP Bulletin (RB). It is the ONLY serious anomalistic periodical in the Commonwealth of Independent States published IN ENGLISH. There appear in RB research articles, short communications, book reviews, letters to the Editor, etc. RB Vol. 1, Nos. 1-4 - Vol. 8, Nos. 1-2 have been printed and sent to subscribers. They contain, in particular, the papers "Post-Soviet Ufology: a View from Inside", by V.V.Rubtsov; "The "Russian Roswell": a Legend Under Examination", by Y.N.Morozov, "UFOs as Objects of Study by Terrestrial Physics", by V.A.Buerakov; "Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon: A Justification", by A.V.Arkhipov; "History of State-Directed UFO Research in the USSR", by the Russian academic UFO expert Y.V.Platov and Colonel B.A.Sokolov; "The Petrozavodsk Phenomenon", by L.M.Gindilis & Y.K.Kolpakov; "The Black Ball: a Supposed Extraterrestrial Artifact", by V.N.Fomenko; "A Thousand Years of Russian UFOs", by M.B.Gershtein, "A Second UFO Landing on the River Mzha", by a group of RIAP scientists, and others. We have also published the first really comprehensive survey of anomalous features of the famous Tunguska explosion ("The Tunguska Meteorite: A Dead-Lock or the Start of a New Stage of Inquiry?"), written by the leading Russian specialist in this problem - Nikolay V. Vasilyev, Member of Academy. RIAP Bulletin is published four times per year. Subscription rates: a life-long subscription - $100; 12 issues (three years) - $50; 8 issues (two years) - $35; 4 issues (one year) - $20. Airmail postage included. Back issues are still available in limited quantities ($5 per copy, $89 a whole set - twenty issues). RIAP Bulletin is also produced as a PDF file - that is immediately sent to subscribers via the Internet. The "electronic RB" is an exact replica of its printed version. It can be easily read with the help of a free browser - Adobe Acrobat Reader. A Special Proposal is valid until September 30, 2002: all back RB issues (20 issues) in the PDF format, plus life-long subscription to either the print or electronic version of the bulletin (according to your choice) - for only $49 (usual price: $165). If you are interested in subscribing to RIAP Bulletin, please let me know. I and my colleagues would be happy to inform you about advances and prospects of anomalistic studies in this part of the world. There will appear in the next RB issues, in particular, the following papers: "Astroengineers over Tunguska", by V.K.Zhuravlev; "UFOs: False and Genuine", by Y.V.Platov; "UFO Landings on the Mzha River: the Investigations Continue", by V.P.Goloveshko et al., "Examining Possible Paleovisit Traces", by Y.N.Morozov, and many others. With all my best wishes and warmest regards, I remain, Sincerely yours, Alexander V. Beletsky M.A., Vice-Director RIAP http://www.geocities.com/riap777/ ================ Appendix I RESEARCH INSTITUTE ON ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA, Kharkov, Ukraine The principal trends of researches of the institute in the UFO field are as follows: creation of an efficient system of reconstruction of a real anomalous event on the basis of witnesses' testimonies; formation of a unified CIS UFO data base (in collaboration with the Expert Group on Anomalous Atmospheric Phenomena of the Russian Academy of Sciences) and a computer expert system to identify genuine UFOs (GUFOs); development of physical models of GUFOs; monitoring of a place of recurrent UFO landings on the river Mzha, near Kharkov; studies in the hidden history of Soviet ufology. In the SETI field, there was realized, under the guidance of Alexey V. Arkhipov, phase I of the program "Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon" (SAAM) and its results have been presented on the pages of RIAP Bulletin. Besides, we have been examining some enigmatic finds that can be considered candidate extraterrestrial artifacts (ancient, or not so ancient). These are the so-called "Kassimov ball" - a small (diameter some 4.5 cm) black ball of unknown origin, found in Central Russia in 1983 at a depth of 7 meters, in a layer of pure red clay, - and the remains of a strange object that obviously originated from space and fell down near Kharkov in 1994 (judging from its chemical composition, it is neither a meteorite, nor terrestrial space junk). The institute pays considerable attention to the problem of the Tunguska explosion of 1908. We are studying statistical parameters of the forest fall area, as well as the biogeochemical elemental and isotopic anomalies and population- genetic effects, revealed in the area of the catastrophe. A state-of-the-art collection of research papers on the Tunguska problem is now under preparation. The Scientific Council and Advisory Board of the Institute include such Russian and Ukrainian specialists in the UFO problem and SETI field as Dr. E.A.Ermilov (specialist in radio detection of aerial anomalous phenomena), Dr. V.N.Fomenko (investigator of the famous Vashka find, as well as other supposed ET artifacts), Dr. L.M.Gindilis (astronomer and SETI expert), Dr. Y.V.Platov (Vice-Chairman of the Academic UFO Study Group), Dr. V.K.Zhuravlev (investigator of the Tunguska explosion), and others. The Advisory Board comprehends also a group of well-known Western scientists, scholars and engineers - V.-J.Ballester Olmos (Spain), Dr. T.E.Bullard (USA), Dr. R.F.Haines (USA), Dr. A.Meessen (Belgium), et al. Dr. Vladimir V. Rubtsov, Full Member of the CIS Academy of Cosmonautics and one of the pioneers of ufological studies in the former USSR, is Director of RIAP. Institute mailing address: RIAP, P.O.Box 4542, 61022 Kharkov-22, Ukraine. Internet e-mail addresses: <riap777@SoftHome.net>, <tolimak@nettaxi.com> Website: http://www.geocities.com/riap777/ ===========================================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Rudiak From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:48:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Rudiak >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0000 >Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >>Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on >>the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial >craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. >>Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous >>claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, >>NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one >>day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one >>day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/16sep_rightstuff.htm?list100309 >Yes, Nick, and some day pigs may fly. Or Steven Greer may even >turn honest. Most anything is possible, not to be confused with >probable. Dick, I'm surprised at the hostility of your post. Adaptive structures and the exploitation of the many amazing properties of carbon nanotubules are the major themes of the NASA link given by Nick. They are also hotbeds of research in labs around the worl. I'll admit Nick lost me a few days ago by siding with the creationists. I know of no credible evidence that the Universe is only 6000 years old. In contrast, the evidence derived from multiple disciplines that the Universe is billions of years old is internally consistent and overwhelming. But that's no reason to treat the very interesting NASA story with contempt. Theoretically this is all very doable stuff and not that far off in the future. 20 years ago this may have been science fiction but not now. I realized several years ago that materials made of carbon nanotubules could replicate the anomalous properties described by witnesses to Roswell debris, such as super strength, high heat resistance, very low weight, and shape memory. Electrical properties of nanotubules can be tweaked such that they can be insulators, semiconductors, metallic-like conductors, or nearly superconducting. Depending on electrical properties, such materials could very in color from a dull gray (most common description of Roswell material) to shiny. A fabric made by weaving nanotube fibers together would make a wonderfully strong, lightweight, heat-resistant hull for an aircraft or spacecraft. In principle, such things as sensors, lights, and other electronics could be made an integral part of the material. Interestingly, Jesse Marcel mentioned that some of the Roswell metallic memory foil was like a fabric because it was porous (he could blow through it). Marcel also said the material was like metal but with plastic properties, a good description of a carbon nanotube material. David Rudiak Website: http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Jones From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:45:44 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Jones >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:17:39 -0700 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:48:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:18:29 EDT >>>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >><snip> >>>>That is not to say there is not truth to be found in science >>>>or truth to be found in religion, you just have to carefull >>>>what and who you put your faith and trust into. >><snip> >>>I think we have enough evidence to support evolution and the >>>Earth's existence before 6,000 years ago. To think otherwise in >>>face of the evidence is to conciously wallow in ignorance-and be >>>proud of it. I wouldn't take advise from such people, be >>>governed by such people nor do I want my children or >>>grandchildren hanging around such people. To me this isn't a >>>subject for argument anyway and a waste of time. >><snip> >>I am glad Don qualified his reply with "I think". Biological >>evolution is in fact nothing more than the current religious >>myth which is not supported by scientific facts. Regretably, >>students in our biology classes here are taught these beliefs >>masquerading as science when in fact, it does not even satisfy >>the criteria to be scientific (evolution cannot be observed, >>cannot be measured, etc.). What is worse, students are not >>allowed to question these beliefs or propose other explanations >>without the risk of failing the course. Shouldn't schools be >>places where academic freedom of thought can take place where >>new ideas can be proposed and then challenged and put to the >>test rather than be disallowed from the start? >>It is interesting to note that some of my colleagues use their >>belief in evolution to dismiss reported accounts of human >>looking E.T.s. They reason that if life on Earth were to start >>all over again, after another 5 billion years or so of >>evolution, we would not look anything like what we do now. In >>fact, creatures living on planets in other solar systems with >>similar anatomies to our own, would be compelling evidence for a >>creator God than it would be for evolution! >>As for the age of the Earth and the universe being closer to >>10,000 years old rather than 10,000,000,000 years old, >>incredible as it sounds, there is scientific evidence to support >>this. But many people like you (and I) are too stubborn to even >>consider this evidence preferring to wallow in our ignorance. >>One reason why after half a century ufology has not come closer >>to the truth behind UFOs could be the result of this >>stubborness. >>I'm reminded of what we have been told about truth regarding >>UFOs by certain insiders such as Baron Nicholas E. Von Poppen or >>Margaret Fuller, often at great risk to their lives or >>livelihood. For example, how many of us would be willing to >>discard our cherished views that UFOs are of extraterrestrial >>origin even if it was proven that UFO sightings from earliest >>times have a direct connection to spiritualism? I may break into >>an uncontrolable crying fit and then find another hobby... >- - - >Uh Nick? >Unless I badly misread your paragraphs above, I take it you >favor creationism over Darwinian evolution for the origin of the >species. >Is that correct? This appears to be looking for an irrelevant notion (what are Nick's current personal beliefs about where humans came from) which can then be employed as an excuse to not consider the point made by Nick (un-scientific beliefs are frequently adopted as Absolute Truth by fearful dogmatists disguised as 'experts'). I suspect that someone has an itchy trigger-finger on the ridicule button. Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course silly and anti-scientific. --- Steve Jones
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:55:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:49:14 -0400 Subject: Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:33:10 -0400 >Subject: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction >SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man >Hello All, >Peter Davenport who heads NUFORC (National UFO Reporting Center) >generously consented to appear on 'Strange Days... Indeed' on >Saturday night. The objective was to help clear up any >confusion or misunderstanding that has attached itself to the >recent report of the untimely and admittedly 'strange' death of >Pennsylvania resident Todd Sees. >Now-a-days just about any new, breaking story can easily become >confused by the formidable and immediate input of the many >thousands of people who are able to comment on it via the Web. >Speculation, rumor, and 'jump the gun' style premature >conclusions can be spread over the Internet with alarming speed. >Peter's appearance on Strange Days... Indeed on Saturday will >(hopefully) go a long way towards separating the facts of the >case from some of the fiction that has already started to attach >itself to it. Speaking of fiction, we have recently been subjected to an intentional 'fakery-attack' (the Lawton, Oklahoma 'case' reported last spring). Moreover, Jim Hickman has recently sent out a notice indicating further fakery by a few people is afoot. So.... mind your P's and Q's and UFO's.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:55:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:51:32 -0400 Subject: Re: CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle >From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:46:54 +0000 >Subject: CCCRN News: Single Saskatchewan Circle Formation >CCCRN NEWS >The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network> >http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada >September 15, 2002 _____________________________ <snip> >Some of my initial scan photos of stalk node anomalies (canary >seed crop) from the Weyburn, Saskatchewan formation have been >posted to the web site, showing swollen (primarily on one side >of the stalk), torn and ruptured nodes from inside formation >compared with normal control nodes from outside formation. Also, >some of the evening photos I took inside the formation have >interesting multiple BOLs ('balls of light') in them, some quite >large and bright; these will be posted also asap. Possibly flash >reflections from mosquitoes or dust, but they are another >anomaly to be studied further in any case. Have to be careful of 'flash-orbs'... pieces of tiny dust particles very close to the camera lens. They can make images which are larger than the particles themselves by reflecting the light from the flash.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Captain William O. Schaffner Case Solved From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:03:43 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:54:04 -0400 Subject: Captain William O. Schaffner Case Solved Hi List, It is refreshing to see one of the most controversial local UFO cases from East Yorkshire involving the crash of U.S.A.F Captain William. O. Schaffner's Lightning aircraft on 8 September, 1970, finally be publicly solved by others and featured on the BBC One 'Inside Out' programme this evening at 19:30 local time. The website feature with the real transcript of the pilot's last communications and how his son's feel about the UFO story is a real eye opener. Heartening that the BeeB went to the trouble of contacting the American family and assisting and participating in the process of releasing the crash incident report. Well done BBC, and more especially to Captain Schaffner's sons! May I take this opportunity to convey late condolences and thank the Schaffner family for being persistent with the U.K. government, I hope this brings them some closure to their sad loss and that others can accept the explanation readily. http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/prog_02/index.shtml No credit goes to the person who invented the story in the first place, probably for commercial reasons; and those who helped perpetuate it, without checking a single fact! Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear Plant? From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:24:12 +0200 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:58:35 -0400 Subject: Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear Plant? Source: Pravda http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/16/36691.html Stig *** 2002.09.16/16:15 UFO PREVENTS BLAST AT CHERNOBYL NUCLEAR PLANT Eyewitnesses say that they saw an UFO hovering above the exploded reactor ** Sixteen years have passed since the disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear plant on April 26, 1986. The explosion happened at 1:23 a.m. Tons of radioactive products were emitted into the atmosphere. The machine shop of the plant was gripped with fire, and the fire was about to move on to the third power-generating unit of the plant. Firemen managed to extinguish the fire several hours later. Many of them died later of radiation exposure. Much has been written about the Chernobyl disaster, both in Russia and abroad. It seems that the physical nature of the tragedy has determined, as well as the people who were responsible for it. The fourth power-generating unit was supposed to be repaired. Yet, before shutting it down, the administration of the plant decided to perform several experiments. Steam delivery was cut to one of the turbogenerators in order to discover the period of time that electric power would still be generated due to the rotation of the rotor. The experiment was not well-organized. There was another test conducted simultaneously: the study of turbine vibration. They started decreasing the capacity of the generating unit at 1 a.m. on April 25. The emergency cooling system of the reactor was shut down at 2 p.m. This was supposed to stop the reactor. However, the Kievenergo energy company did not know anything about these tests. An energy control officer did not allow the fourth generating unit of the plant to be stopped. These were the pre-requisites of the tragedy. Many people are still suffering. The explosion was very large, but, luckily, it was a thermal blast. The fourth power generating unit was basically destroyed by over-heated steam. There was no nuclear explosion. Roughly 180 tons of enriched uranium were in the reactor. If a large blast had happened, half of Europe would not currently be depicted on any maps. There are many theories to explain such luck. One of the theories is that there was help from an Unidentified Flying Object. When troublesome events started to occur, some people saw a spaceship hovering above the fourth generating unit of the Chernobyl plant. Eyewitnesses say that a UFO was there for six hours and that hundreds of people saw it. People started writing about it only two years after the catastrophe. Of course, such information appeared in magazines on ufology. As it is generally believed, serious people don't read such magazines and journals. Here is what Mikhail Varitsky had to say: "I and other people from my team went to the site of the blast at night. We saw a ball of fire, and it was slowly flying in the sky. I think the ball was six or eight meters in diameter. Then, we saw two rays of crimson light stretching towards the fourth unit. The object was some 300 meters from the reactor. The event lasted for about three minutes. The lights of the object went out and it flew away in the northwestern direction." The UFO brought the radiation level down. The level was decreased almost four-times. This probably prevented a nuclear blast. Three years later (on September 16, 1989), the fourth power-generating unit emitted radiation into the atmosphere. Several hours later, a doctor saw an object in the sky above the Chernobyl plant. Doctor Gospina described it as "amber-like." She said she could see the top and the bottom of it as well. In October of 1990, a reporter from the newspaper the Echo of Chernobyl , V. Navran, was photographing the machine shop of the Chernobyl plant. "I photographed the top of it, includomg a part of the hole above. I remember everything very well; I did not see any UFO. However, when I developed the film, I clearly saw an object that was hovering above the hole in the roof." The object looked like the one doctor Gospina saw. It seems that aliens are not worried with the fate of humanity. They are basically worried about the planets environment. Anomalia.Ru Translated by Dmitry Sudakov ** =A91999 "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >analyzing Moore's model. Thanks for your exhaustive... and exhausting... analysis!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Maccabee From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:01:39 -0400 Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Maccabee >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm >A good image analysis is needed here to minimize the likelihood >of hoax, since the images are digital and easier to fake than >photos. Bruce Maccabee, are you out there and interested? Haven't got any info beyond what is on the Rense site.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:44:13 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:03:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Speiser >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:05:11 -0400 >Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:16:49 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:37:07 -0400 >>>Subject: Mini-Flap >>>For the edification of our American friends, some one hundred >>>plus International Flights out of or enroute the United States >>>on 9/11 were re-routed to Moncton, New Brunswick, Halifax, Nova >>>Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland. There's a real human interest >>>story there. >>I read all about that on the Gander website. I'm surprised we >>haven't seen a TV-movie about this. I'm picturing a scene near >>the opening showing a couple of lonely fishermen in rain >>slickers, watching 747 after 747 plough over their heads, >>landing at the airport... >>Hmmm, maybe I should write the screenplay.... >Hi Jim, >I'm sure there's a script around for these events somewhere - >but fill your boots [as they say on the Rock and here in NS]. >The editorial pages of the newspapers here were filled for weeks >with letters to the editor from passengers who stayed here for >the few days or a week. >I had an overhead shot of runway 15/33 [6,800 feet] at Halifax >International [YHZ] where some 63 aircraft were lined up nose to >tail in two rows of A-300s, 747 -777 aircraft and some MD-11s >mixed in. There was an opening for the 8,800 foot 24/06 runway >so they could continue operations at YHZ. The local population >incresed by about 15,000 people. Yes, and I think a similar shot exists of the Gander airport. A big Thank You from US to CANADA and the citizens of those little towns for your hospitallity during that crisis. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't Abducted In From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:51 +0200 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:05:25 -0400 Subject: BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't Abducted In Source: BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2256790.stm Stig *** Tuesday, 17 September, 2002, 06:05 GMT 07:05 UK Pilot's disappearance finally solved ** A BBC Inside Out investigation has discovered the truth behind the disappearance of an American fighter pilot over the North Sea more than three decades ago. Captain William Schaffner, a 28-year-old American flying with the RAF, died on September 9, 1970 on a night flight from RAF Binbrook in Lincolnshire. UFO websites have claimed for years that Captain Schaffner was abducted by an alien spacecraft as he flew his Lightning jet along the British coast. One website even published what it claimed was a copy of his log, which reported seeing a bluish light and a large soccer- ball shaped object. Family mystery His plane did crash into the North Sea near Flamborough Head in Yorkshire and the wreckage was found. Nick Pope, a former UFO expert at Whitehall, said: "Military pilots do see UFOs, but they are afraid to come forward and make official reports for fear of ridicule." Captain Schaffner's family settled in Chicago after his death, but never received a proper explanation of why he disappeared until the BBC investigation. When approached by the BBC, his son Glenn Schaffner said: "It's 30 years ago and the Cold War is over. "Any secrets they had about the job my father was doing are long gone. "It is time that information like this released." But the BBC eventually saw documents, including an accident report, that said the pilot was on an exercise trying to intercept another aircraft. But he flew his plane too low and hit the sea. "It was a tragic accident and there is no other explanation," a government spokesman said. The report said the Captain Schaffner had tried to eject, but his escape system failed to work. =A9 MMII
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:43:21 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:10:03 -0400 Subject: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Greetings, At 7.30 pm on 16 September 2002 viewers in the BBC TV Yorkshire & Lincolnshire region (UK) saw a special investigation by journalists from the 'Inside Out' team into "claims of an alien abduction in Yorkshire." The programme hinged on the tragic loss of a RAF Lightning fighter over the North Sea off Flamborough Head, Yorkshire, on the night of 8 September 1970, during an exercise that went tragically wrong. Its pilot was a USAF Captain, Bill Schaffner, who was on exchange duties with No 5 Squadron, RAF Binbrook, at the time. The Lightning was recovered from the sea three months later but the cockpit was empty and the body of Schaffner, a father of two, was never found. This mystery led to speculation and rumour, not least because the report of the RAF Board of inquiry into the tragic accident were not released until recently In 1992 the Grimsby Telegraph newspaper published a story claiming Schaffner was scrambled to intercept a UFO which had been tracked by the UK's radar early warning system in the Shetland Islands. Their source for the information remained anonymous. His claims, along with a bogus transcript of a conversation between Schaffner and the RAF Ground Control, have been repeated in a number of UFO books and on the world wide web, causing distress to Schaffner's two sons who were interviewed on last night's TV programme. The full story of the BBC team's investigation into the story can be found at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/prog_02/index.shtml Follow the links to read a transcript of Captain Schaffner's final conversation with the ground controllers, and see pictures from the inquiry report, showing the aircraft's empty cockpit. As the transcript makes clear, the 'UFO' shadowed by Schaffner was in fact a RAF Shackleton, that was the target for the TACEVAL exercise called without warning to test the squadron's response to intruder aircraft. The BBC team's investigations are confirmed by Squadron Record Books from 1970 and 1971 released at the Public Record Office (PRO) in 2001, summarised in 'Out of the Shadows' pgs 211-13. Dave Clarke www.flyingsaucery.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:17:28 +0200 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:16:55 -0400 Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >analyzing Moore's model. >It turns out that not only did Moore make a lot of hidden, >improbable assumptions in an attempt to get Flight #4 to the >ranch crash site, he also hoaxed his own model when even these >assumptions failed. Basically he 'cooked the books', secretly >altering his own table of wind velocities to get a trajectory >that would work. Thus his table trajectory is completely >different from the one he plots in his book, the table >trajectory missing his desired crash site by about 15 miles. >Furthermore, any set of more reasonable assumptions has Flight >#4 missing the ranch by much wider margins. >An alternate theory of the demise of Flight #4 is presented and >how it might tie-in with the Roswell case. This concerns a >claimed balloon crash site described by AP reporter Jason >Kellahin about 30 miles NE of the Foster Ranch site, where >Kellahin claims to have met Brazel and military before they all >went to Roswell and Brazel gave his interview. >For the full article on Moore's hoax, complete with many graphs, >tables, and maps, see: >http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4_Trajectory.html >This isn't the first time Moore has been caught being >inconsistent, inaccurate, or a little less than truthful. E.g., >the article also shows how he tried to shamelessly spin the >weather data and flight launch time, completely reversing his >position in 1997 from the one he had in 1995. >Another example is given of how landmarks he claims to be unique >to Flight #4 and on which he pins his trajectory turn out not to >be unique at all. And Brad Sparks just caught him deliberately >altering a Mogul Flight #5 graphic and lying about how close >Flight #5 came to Roswell base the next day, all in an apparent >attempt to justify his claim that Roswell base knew nothing of >Project Mogul. >Now that Moore has been caught red-handed in a hoax, what does >this do to the credibility of his overall testimony? Will the >skeptics have the courage to criticize Moore for falsifying >evidence? Can pigs fly? >Another item just added is a historical photo from the July 29, >1952 press conference where Gen.'s Samford & Ramey debunked the >Washington radar/visual/jet intercept cases. See: >http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/Ramey_info.html To David and the List, Thank you for all this clear information. I have heard recently, in France, interesting testimony which may be relevant to this debate. It is from a man, interested in UFOs, that I have known for several years, but who revealed his story only recently to me and rather confidentialy (he kept it to himself over many years because of the many French UFO skeptics, and still does not want to give his name publicly, because he has a job of management here in Paris). In 1972, he was with an American family, in Santa Monica, CA. He was then 23 years old. In May 1972, the family went to New Mexico on a vacation trip. As the father knew of the interest of my friend for UFOs, he visited an old friend in Roswell, who had been a technician at the Roswell base in 1947 and who retired there. This man confirmed that he had participated in the retrieval of a crashed UFO, near Roswell. It was during the night and he did not know the exact place of the crash. He recalls it was close to a heap of rocks. He saw the UFO, and noticed from a distance that there were corpses in body bags, and one body on a stretcher. The military had surrounded the site with tarpaulins fixed on pegs, and were taking pictures of the place, lighted by projectors, under different angles. And now comes the critical point. He had learned that the craft had collided with a balloon train, coming from Alamogordo, during a storm! Balloon debris had been found together with the UFO debris. The family and my friend were to go to Albuquerque to see a gathering of hot air balloons. The witness joked that the balloons would not be tied together like the balloon train. His description of the site bears some resemblance to the testimony of Frank Kaufmann, and I wondered if he was the man. I showed my friend the video "We Were There", with Kaufmann and Shirkey, but he did not recognize him at all. He recalls that the witness was rather tall, slim, and with dark, thin hair. If you want a direct confirmation of this story, I will pass your request and questions to my friend via e-mail and he will answer you privately. I am convinced that this is sincere and truthfull testimony. Unfortunately, he does not remember the name and exact address of the American family. Is this compatible with what is known today of the Mogul balloon flight trajectories and dates, bearing in mind that this alleged collision could have taken place a some distance of the known site(s), and at an unknown date? Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Ann Andrews Lecture Brisbane Oz 21-09-02 From: Diane Harrison <auforn@hypermax.net.au> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:29:14 +1000 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:19:33 -0400 Subject: Ann Andrews Lecture Brisbane Oz 21-09-02 This Saturday The Australian UFO Research Network Presents All the way from The UK! In Brisbane on the 21st September 2002 Ann Andrews Lecture Author of Abducted: The True Story of Alien Abduction "Written in conjunction with independent investigator Jean Ritchie, who has analysed the evidence and found corroboration for many of his chilling, and ongoing, events, Abducted is the most detailed exploration of an alien abduction case ever." If you have read her story about her Australian Holiday in Volume 5 Number 6 of the Australasian Ufologist Magazine. Now you have the opportunity to meet Ann Andrews in person and listen to her talk about her son's abduction experiences, and how he coped with his intense feelings about his experiences. Venue: Salisbury Community Center 183 Lilian Avenue Salisbury Time: 7.30 p.m to 10.30 p.m Cost: $10.00 per ticket. Tea & Coffee included So don't miss out! Contact Diane Harrison on 07-5544-6888 Please post far and wide -- Regards Diane Harrison National Director The Australian UFO Research Network and UFO Hotline. Australian Skywatch Director Co Editor The Australasian UFOlogist Magazine Tel number 1800 77 22 88 a Free Call Australian UFO Research Network - http://www.hypermax.net.au/~auforn E-mail auforn@hypermax.net.au A non profit organisation PO Box 738 Beaudessert 4285 QLD Australia Tel 07 55 44 6888
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >analyzing Moore's model. Thanks for your exhaustive... and exhausting... analysis!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:00:16 -0400 Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative I was not surprised when I found this on the net: http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm [Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] Obviously no one really took the time to investigate any of the cases. No one bother to notice that John Ford was committed and other researchers and people involved in the incident are missing. (as said by Mike Christol - Brian Levine) Mike Christol knew the truth and it is unfortunate he would back pedal on a great deal of evidence and facts that he himself gave to me. [Just like Tom Theofanous, eh, JB? And your Grandmother who left you a 'fortune'? --ebk] What happened was serious at both incidents and both incidents were hotly disputed and anyone investigating them was torn up on the boards. [That's the problem with live-theatre of the mind --ebk] Coincidence. I don't think so. There is one thing to criticize a book.. it is another thing to shred it with no proof at all. [And quite another to write a book "with no proof at all" --ebk] Both incidents happened. They were not hoaxes and neither one has ever been proved a hoax by showing who set up the hoax and how it was done. [No! --ebk] I am not quitting on this one. I have an additional crash film, another huge UFO seen by a whole family and their neighbors, and sorry my man of a thousand accounts - we are going to get to the bottom of all this. [Let's hope its not too stinky a bottom, JB --ebk] You are being tracked. Your posts, your activity under different psuedonyms and this will be put out to the world so that they can re-think your comments on true UFO happenings which are proved by the testimony of a large number of witnesses. [Quick, burn the cheque-stubs from my C-12 'handlers', Santa. Delete the UpDates Archive too - don't want a single trace of my nefarious, duplicitous, evil-doing ways left for JB --ebk] You want the truth. We will find it. [All together now... "Thank God for ace-investigator JB Michaels!" --ebk] jbm [P-uh-lease! --ebk]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Ballester Olmos From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:56:17 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:25:22 -0400 Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Ballester Olmos >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:53 -0400 >Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0700 >>Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >>Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm >>A good image analysis is needed here to minimize the likelihood >>of hoax, since the images are digital and easier to fake than >>photos. Bruce Maccabee, are you out there and interested? >Haven't got any info beyond what is on the Rense site. Seems like a certain type of balloon to me. Anyone familiar with such a shape (commercial or scientific) for balloons in the US? Vicente-Juan
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:13:16 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:28:30 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:43:21 +0100 >Subject: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >Greetings, >At 7.30 pm on 16 September 2002 viewers in the BBC TV Yorkshire >& Lincolnshire region (UK) saw a special investigation by >journalists from the 'Inside Out' team into "claims of an alien >abduction in Yorkshire." >The programme hinged on the tragic loss of a RAF Lightning >fighter over the North Sea off Flamborough Head, Yorkshire, on >the night of 8 September 1970, during an exercise that went >tragically wrong. Its pilot was a USAF Captain, Bill Schaffner, >who was on exchange duties with No 5 Squadron, RAF Binbrook, at >the time. >The Lightning was recovered from the sea three months later but >the cockpit was empty and the body of Schaffner, a father of >two, was never found. This mystery led to speculation and >rumour, not least because the report of the RAF Board of inquiry >into the tragic accident were not released until recently >In 1992 the Grimsby Telegraph newspaper published a story >claiming Schaffner was scrambled to intercept a UFO which had >been tracked by the UK's radar early warning system in the >Shetland Islands. Their source for the information remained >anonymous. His claims, along with a bogus transcript of a >conversation between Schaffner and the RAF Ground Control, have >been repeated in a number of UFO books and on the world wide >web, causing distress to Schaffner's two sons who were >interviewed on last night's TV programme. >The full story of the BBC team's investigation into the story >can be found at: >http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/prog_02/index.shtml >Follow the links to read a transcript of Captain Schaffner's >final conversation with the ground controllers, and see pictures >from the inquiry report, showing the aircraft's empty cockpit. >As the transcript makes clear, the 'UFO' shadowed by Schaffner >was in fact a RAF Shackleton, that was the target for the >TACEVAL exercise called without warning to test the squadron's >response to intruder aircraft. >The BBC team's investigations are confirmed by Squadron Record >Books from 1970 and 1971 released at the Public Record Office >(PRO) in 2001, summarised in 'Out of the Shadows' pgs 211-13. Hi David, Thanks for posting this. I'd never heard of it before. Could have been a surprise ditching by Schaffner. In level flight, pulling power and then on the water before he knew it. It's happened on land, snow and water before. Probably fought the Lightening to a stand still, bailed out over the side into the water and drowned or succumbed to hypothermia. The Lightening went to the bottom and jarred the canopy closed. The Lightening didn't go straight in obviously as witness the condition of the recovered wreck. Reason for cover-up. Controller continuing vectors right up to his clutter point-further comlicated by... Pilot misreading or mis-set altimeter. RAF didn't want public to know that there was a loss of life during an exercise. It was the 70s, height of the cold war. American exchange officer. RAF/NATO didn't want the general public to know that they and the allies quite frequently used commercial airliners and other commercial aircraft as targets during exercises without their knowledge. It's unclear whether the Shackleton was a RAF or Marine patrol aircraft. Good coverage by the paper. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:22:39 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:32:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap - Ledger >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:44:13 -0700 >Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:05:11 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:16:49 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: Eastern Canadian Mini-Flap >>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:37:07 -0400 >>>>Subject: Mini-Flap >>>>For the edification of our American friends, some one hundred >>>>plus International Flights out of or enroute the United States >>>>on 9/11 were re-routed to Moncton, New Brunswick, Halifax, Nova >>>>Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland. There's a real human interest >>>>story there. >>>I read all about that on the Gander website. I'm surprised we >>>haven't seen a TV-movie about this. I'm picturing a scene near >>>the opening showing a couple of lonely fishermen in rain >>>slickers, watching 747 after 747 plough over their heads, >>>landing at the airport... >>I had an overhead shot of runway 15/33 [6,800 feet] at Halifax >>International [YHZ] where some 63 aircraft were lined up nose to >>tail in two rows of A-300s, 747 -777 aircraft and some MD-11s >>mixed in. There was an opening for the 8,800 foot 24/06 runway >>so they could continue operations at YHZ. The local population >>incresed by about 15,000 people. >Yes, and I think a similar shot exists of the Gander airport. A >big Thank You from US to CANADA and the citizens of those little >towns for your hospitallity during that crisis. Hi Jim, Gander is about 10,00 people whereas Halifax is close to a half million people - and no problem. We enjoyed having them. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:44:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:56:01 -0400 Subject: UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina SOURCE: C=EDrculo Ovnilogico Riocuartense (COR) DATE: 09/16/02 UFO PURSUIT IN SOUTHERN CORDOBA **UFOs reappear in Cordoba's southern reaches** RIO CUARTO, C=F3rdoba, Argentina -- Less than 48 hours have elapsed between the events on Saturday, September 7th when Cordoba is once again the site of another event allegedly related to the UFO phenomenon. On this occasion, a family traveling in a pickup truck between the localities of Achiras and Sampachoy were in the vicinity of the Cerro Aspero when they began noticing a "very intense red light in the sky" which originated from the southwest, as their vehicle headed northward from the south along provincial route 24. The time was approximately 22:30 hours. The head of the family preferred not to disclose his identity, but told the news media that "this is the first time it's happened to us," going on to relate that at no time did his family feel fear, nor was there any nervousness on his part. "If that think wanted to hurt us, it could have clearly done so." When asked by researchers about the characteristics of the object witnessed, he explained: "It was like an intense red beam...there were other flashes of great brightness behind it and what drew our attention the most is that the front section of the luminous object had something resembling an arch of light, as though it were a circle of energy." The younger members of the group of nocturnal travelers stated that "they were very impressed." The sighting lasted for several minutes and the head of the family added: "At a given moment, the object gave the impression that it was about to fall on top of us, but it changed course at the last moment and headed toward the hills of Sampacho and Suco," further relating that, "we passed by the Chanaritos region always, looking at it toward the southwest. Then we crossed the "ancias" area and by the time we reached the crossroads of the highway leading toward Laguna de Suco, it was as though the light had become lost in the sky." For some years now, this region of southern C=F3rdoba province has been the source of anomalous nocturnal manifestations, but anomalous luminous phenomena has intensified greatly as far south as the province of San Luis (to the west). But southern C=F3rdoba has witnessed an intensification of alleged UFO manifestations in an area that includes regions and communities which include Adelia Mar=EDa, Carolina, Punta del Agua, San Basilio, Suco, Sampacho, Chaj=E1n, Achiras, R=EDo Cuarto, Cuatro Vientos, Las Albahacas, Villa El Chacay, Alpa Corral, Las Vertientes, Pav=EDn, Huinca Renanc=F3, General Cabrera, Elena, etc., and which not only occupies an area to the southeast and west of Rio Cuarto, but rather, extends northward toward the northern reaches of this last city, as is the case with General Cabrera and Elena. This incident can be added to the ones already known, although there is still the question of various different versions [of the experience]. It is currently being investigated by C=EDrculo Ovnil=F3gico Riocuartense , headquartered in the city R=EDo Cuarto, C=F3rdoba. At least three significant cases have been reported: Moine, in Adelia Mar=EDa (CE-2), Chaj=E1n (CE-2 or CE-3?), Barrios (CE-2 or CE-3?). The second of these cases is the one in which the witness claims having stood "some 10 to 12 meters" away from an object which he reckons "was 200 meters long." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Translation (C) 2002 Scott Corrales IHU Special thanks to Mario Luis Bracamonte of C=EDrculo Ovnil=F3gico Riocuartense (COR).
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:19:00 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:02:33 -0400 Subject: Re: BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:51 +0200 >Subject: BBC 'Solves' Mystery: Schaffner Wasn't Abducted In 1970 >Source: BBC >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2256790.stm >Stig >*** >Tuesday, 17 September, 2002, 06:05 GMT 07:05 UK >Pilot's disappearance finally solved >** <snip> This is a case where UFO Researchers have, in fact, caused some distress to the family of the pilot that lost his life - a concept that some Ufologists seem to ignore when investigating such incidents. There can be no excuse - even when the researcher is genuine in his/her attempts to investigate an incident - for blatantly ignoring the feelings and emotions of a bereaved family. Geoff Richardson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:32:49 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:05:28 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:13:16 -0400 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:43:21 +0100 >>Subject: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Hi Don, >Thanks for posting this. I'd never heard of it before. The case first appeared in a 'UFO context' in Flying Saucer Review back in 1992, which reprinted the stories from the Grimsby and Hull newspapers without checking their validity. The story has since done the rounds in the UK, appearing in Tony Dodd's 'UFO Investigator' and assorted magazines - but seems to be little known in the USA. It seems the UFO connection, and the bogus ground-air transcript posted on the net, was fabricated by someone for the purposes of working up 'a good story.' Unfortunately, this was not how Schaffner's family felt, and with good reason. I hope they will now find closure after 32 years. I was able to interview 5 Squadron's Commanding Officer earlier this year who provided the Board of Inquiry results, and his own account of what happened, which I'm not free to publish at the moment. Due to the BBC's investigation on behalf of Schaffner's family, the full report looks set to be released at the PRO in London. >Reason for cover-up. Controller continuing vectors right up to >his clutter point-further comlicated by... Pilot misreading or >mis-set altimeter. RAF didn't want public to know that there was >a loss of life during an exercise. It was the 70s, height of the >cold war. American exchange officer. RAF/NATO didn't want the >general public to know that they and the allies quite frequently >used commercial airliners and other commercial aircraft as >targets during exercises without their knowledge. You are clearly correct in your assessment. >It's unclear >whether the Shackleton was a RAF or Marine patrol aircraft. The Shackleton was RAF under control of RAF Maritime HQ, Kinloss (Scotland) during 'Exercise Black Eagle.' Checks with the Operation Record Book of 23 Squadron, who were at QRA readiness during the period 1-11 September at RAF Leuchars revealed "no scrambles were ordered during this period." Best, Dave Clarke www.flyingsaucery.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:44:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Velez >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] Hah! Busted!!! I knew it. The day I found out that your name was really; Errol Badinov-Knapp, I should have guessed it. That London Fog trench-coat that you wear even in summer, the disfiguring scars on your face, the glass eye, the foul odor you emit, (caused by your well known habit of bathing infrequently,) all clear indicators that 'should have' set off my internal alarms. But now the truth is out. A spy eh? It just doesn't get much lower than that. Unless you take that unfortunate incident in high school inside the boys locker room into consideration. But we won't speak of that. >You want the truth. We will find it. I can save him some time in his search for the truth. It's located under the same rock he crawled out from. >[All together now... "Thank God for ace-investigator >JB Michaels!" --ebk] "Thank God for ace-investigator JB Michaels!" As for you... Spy! Fink! John Velez, Outraged Listerion :) Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Ohio State UFO Collection From: William E. Jones <jonesw@BATTELLE.ORG> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:31:48 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:09:39 -0400 Subject: Ohio State UFO Collection To All: If any of you out there have UFO journals, magazines, newsletters, old books or important personal files that you no longer want or if you have duplicate copies of same, please consider donating these items to a permanent non-circulating UFO research collection at The Ohio State University here in Columbus, Ohio. This collection is one of the few such collections at an academic institution in the USA. It has been created to help preserve the UFO literature, often published in small numbers, for future generations of researchers. To help prevent loss and wear-and-tear, researchers must use the material within a climate controlled part of the OSU Main Library. If you have anything that you might consider donating, please send me a list and I will be able to tell you which of the items is and is not in the collection. Once the list has been reviewed, you can send the chosen items to my address (Box 139, 829 Bethel Road, Columbus, Ohio 43214), or if you want to send them direct to OSU I can provide you with a name an address. Tax deductions might be available since the university is a public non-profit institution. We need to preserve these UFO materials. Please help in this effort. Bill Jones William E. Jones MUFON State Director for Ohio & CUFOS Board of Directors email: jonesw@battelle.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:10:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:13:18 -0400 Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Balaskas >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0000 >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships <snip> >>Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on >>the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial >>craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. >>Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous >>claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, >>NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one >>day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one >>day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. <snip> >Yes, Nick, and some day pigs may fly. Or Steven Greer may even >turn honest. Most anything is possible, not to be confused with >probable. Hi Dick! What criteria or guidelines should one follow to avoid such confusions and to allow one to determine if something is probable or not? We are still all students when it comes to understanding UFOs and the entire UFO phenomena. In my opinion much valuable information has too readily been discarded or never put to the test because of rather arbitary reasons, such as "I know better". If the true answers to UFOs do involve psychological warfare, disinformation campaigns or even spiritualism, wouldn't it be wrong not to share ALL the things we learn or are told of in these areas with fellow investigators, no matter how dubious they may seem? I am not suggesting that we all become rumour mongers, but by not telling others what inside or exclusive stuff we have come across, aren't we also participating in a self imposed cover-up ourselves? Nick Balaskas P.S. Regarding the story about Buzz Aldrin and his walk on the Moon, according to my diary I heard it in Hawaii on March 11, 1988. I will try to get in touch with the driver through the company he worked with (also in my diary) for confirmation of this anecdotical story and further details.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:47:12 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:12:13 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:13:16 -0400 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >Reason for cover-up. There _was_ no cover up Don - that's the point. Only deluded souls like UK ufologist Tony Dodd and the idiots who believe his version of (unreferenced) events choose to believe there was a cover up. The show even saw Nick Pope doing his usual fence-sitting as even he believes this case was not UFO or cover-up related. Happy Trails Andy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Woods From: Michael Woods <mike.woods@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:19:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:15:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Woods >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm Hey List, Well, I guess, now that the truth about Errol is out there (pause as I laugh at the moronic proceeding post until I pee myself) I'll admit it. I've seen EBK standing in the shadows on the grassy-knoll in Dallas. Elvis was with him. They both had government cheques in hand. But since I know Errol and see him daily I must say... they sure are paying him much. Seriously, regarding that absolutely actionable posting in regards to Errol.... I'd suggest JB and the ACC website wienie get immediate psychiatric treatment.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Royce J. Myers III <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:21:11 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:30:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: J B Michaels >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the >net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] Well, I guess that's it. EBK has thrown in with the evil 'guvmint' thugs, UFO Updates has been a well orchestrated disinformation campaign aimed at fooling the UFO masses (now that's devious), the sky is falling, the Tooth Fairy is leaving lint again and no one can find that last piece to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The end of UFOlogy is near... Woe is the UFO community that was so blindly mislead and fooled...I feel so...so taken advantage of... sniff. Damn you EBK and those evil Canadian disinfo giants...! Regards, Royce J. Myers III UFOWATCHDOG.COM "Don't Trip On Your Open Mind... or all those stacks of money that you're being paid by the 'guvmint' to fool all those rabid UFO folks...
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman@psln.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:34:59 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:32:42 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gehrman >From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person >declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. >They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that >assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory >proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an >un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course >silly and anti-scientific. Steve, Nick, List, I just finished reading 'Acquiring Genomes' by Lynn Margulis & Dorian Sagan; and if you're at all interested in evolution, it's a mind-blower. She and her son, Dorian, also wrote *Microcosmos* which goes into great detail about the importance of bacteria in evolution. One example is that it's almost impossible to understand gene manipulation without understanding that the cells allow us to introduce new DNA. Margulis points out that gene sharing is a very natural process at the bacterial level and we are simply taking advantage of this dynamic. "Intelligent Design" folks might be closer to the truth about how evolution works than the neo Darwinists. The question should be: is there purpose, intentionally. As Arthur Young points out, there never was a machine without a purpose. Or, is it all just random chance??? Evolution is a fact and the bible a poor scientific text, but modern evolutionary theory is also problematic. Below is a review of *Acquiring Genomes* by Brig Klyce: Acquiring Genomes, a new book by Lynn Margulis and Dorion Sagan, contains much that we admire. Margulis is an eminent microbiologist who has long promoted unorthodox ideas like gaia, and symbiosis as an important force in evolution. Here she and her son claim that "symbiogenesis" solves the dilemma Darwin didn't, the origin of species. The writing is clear and engaging, with helpful explanations introducing results of the latest research. We felt both edified and confirmed by the book. Among the sentences we especially liked were: "Honest critics... who have emphasized the problems with biologists' dogma... are often dismissed as if they were Christian fundamentalist zealots..." (p 18-19). "We believe random mutation is wildly overemphasized as a source of hereditary variation" (p 11). "Never, however, did that one mutation make a wing, a woody stem, or a claw appear. Mutations, in summary, tend to induce sickness, death, or deficiencies" (p 29). "Natural selection does not generate new forms; it does not innovate" (p67). "Mutations refine and hone" (p 72). "The important transmitted variation that leads to evolutionary novelty comes from the acquisition of genomes" (p 12). Microbes are champions at passing their DNA to others in the form of entire functioning genes" (p 41). "Organisms also gain new hereditary traits by the accumulation of viruses, or of plasmids or other short pieces of DNA" (p 75). "'Trees of life'... bearing only diverging branches... do not reflect life's history on Earth" (p 33). "The luxuriant living diversity surrounding us did not evolve gradually" (p 96). Lynn Margulis and Dorion Sagan, Acquiring Genomes: A Theory of the Origins of Species, Foreword by Ernst Mayr, ISBN: 0465043917; 256 pages, $19.60 from amazon.com; Basic Books; 18 June 2002.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Secrecy News -- 09/17/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:17:33 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:39:08 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/17/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 90 September 17, 2002 ** SATELLITE RECONNAISSANCE OF IRAQ ** TRANSPARENCY IN INTERNATIONAL TRADE ** DETAILS EMERGE ON NOVEMBER 17 GROUP ** NEW, IMPROVED MOSSAD RECRUITING AD ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS SATELLITE RECONNAISSANCE OF IRAQ An Advanced KH-11 reconnaissance satellite employing infrared and low-light optical capabilities flies north over Baghdad "at roughly 2 a.m. local time daily," reported Craig Covault in Aviation Week and Space Technology this week. "Then at about 3 p.m. Baghdad time, the satellite again passes over the Iraqi capital area, this time on a southward pass using its full daylight optical capabilities to image targets." That kind of information may be classified, but it is not secret. Nor did anyone "leak" it without authorization. It can be, and is, discerned by those who make a habit of watching the skies and publishing their observations. Covault summarized the course of each of the six U.S. intelligence satellites covering Iraq in "Secret NRO Recons Eye Iraqi Threats" in the September 16 Aviation Week and Space Technology here: http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020916/aw23.htm "The utilization of space technology is now more vital than ever to assuring national and global security," reported Leonard David in "The War on Terror on Earth, in Orbit and in the Future" in Space.com on September 11: http://space.com/businesstechnology/technology/911_space_war_020911.html TRANSPARENCY IN INTERNATIONAL TRADE The current state of information disclosure policy in international financial and trade organizations such as the World Bank is the subject of a new analysis authored by Toby J. McIntosh and posted on the freedominfo.org web site: http://www.freedominfo.org/ifti.htm In the name of transparency in international trade, the People's Republic of China earlier this year established an English language web site providing documentation on maritime lawsuits involving foreign parties in Chinese courts. "From now on, all foreign-related maritime adjudication literature that does not involve state secrets, including material that used to be circulated internally only, judicial interpretation drafts for discussion, suggestions derived from discussions on matters, and minutes of trial-related discussions, will be translated into English and published to the outside world via the Internet," according to an August 22 news report from the Xinhua News Agency. "This means that China is faithfully fulfilling the promise it made upon accession to the World Trade Organization [WTO] to make the administration of justice in China more transparent to the international community." See the new web site here: http://www.ccmt.org.cn/english/index.htm DETAILS EMERGE ON NOVEMBER 17 GROUP "I was orphaned at the age of one." That is not the opening line of a Dickens novel, but the beginning of a confession by Pavlos Serifis of the Greek terrorist organization November 17. Serifis, like many of the group's other members, was arrested in recent months by the Greek police. Serifis describes the 1975 assassination of Athens CIA station chief Richard Welch, in which he took part, and provides other details of the history, personnel and activities of the November 17 guerrilla group. His statement was published in the newspaper To Vima on August 29 and translated by the Foreign Broadcast Information Service. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/17_nov_serifis.htm NEW, IMPROVED MOSSAD RECRUITING AD The Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence organization, has produced a snazzy new recruiting ad that was published on the web last week: http://www.mohr.gov.il/intro_flash.html The "flash" presentation culminates in an application form for would-be Mossad operatives to fill in and transmit. But the security of the site, or rather the lack of any security, was promptly mocked in the Israeli press. "Any child could break into the Mossad's internet site," wrote Dror Globerman and Eytan Rabin in the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on September 13. Subsequently, the application form was modified to permit encrypted transmission. SECRECY IN THE NEWS "Secrecy has become a central policy of the Bush administration in nearly all aspects of the war on terrorism, from the battlefield in Afghanistan to the nationwide investigation of terror at home." See "A Policy of Secrecy in War on Terror" by Tom Brune in Newsday, September 15: http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny- usside0915.story Hugh DeWitt of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has been an outspoken critic of Lab and government policies for many of his 45 years there. His persistent campaigns against excessive secrecy and nuclear testing were described by Andrea Widener in "Lab Critic Acts from the Inside" in the Contra Costa Times, September 15: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/living/science/4078998.htm _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Ballester Olmos From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:10:53 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:39:14 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Ballester Olmos When the first message on the topic of "The Oberg Challenge" broke on UFO Updates, my initial reaction was to think if there was any example of such covert activities that might have generated or induced "UFO" events in Spain, my own country. Consequently, I e-mailed Jim Oberg, with whom I correspond occassionally, to find out whether or not he had any precise information regarding Spain. With his authorization, I am posting Oberg's reply to this Forum, as it adds some details that may be of general interest. Best regards, Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos Anomaly Foundation <www.anomalia.org> --- James Oberg <jamesoberg@houston.rr.com>wrote: >I don't know of such activities in Spain. The information I collected >was in letters sent to me by military veterans, following a request I >published in an Air force magazine about 1982. I also had my friend in >New Mexico, and I later talked with and interviewed several of the >letter-writers. I suspect I merely 'scratched the surface', as they say. >My point is, this type of activity is potentially a significant >contributor to the 'noise' in this phenomenon, and is perhaps impossible >to eliminate. >Jim
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Jones From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:33:19 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:43:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Jones >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] Errol Now that you have been outed, can you give us the low down on the Raleian invasion plan now? Puh Lease??? <ferkin huge G> (Just who thinks up this rubbish?) Regards Sean AKA K19 (C12 Level 2 Op, in training)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:39:42 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:35:57 -0400 Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:48:21 -0700 >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0000 >>Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall >>>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>>Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >>>Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on >>>the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial >>craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. >>>Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous >>>claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, >>>NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one >>>day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one >>>day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/16sep_rightstuff.htm?list100309 >>Yes, Nick, and some day pigs may fly. Or Steven Greer may even >>turn honest. Most anything is possible, not to be confused with >>probable. >Dick, >I'm surprised at the hostility of your post. Adaptive structures >and the exploitation of the many amazing properties of carbon >nanotubules are the major themes of the NASA link given by Nick. >They are also hotbeds of research in labs around the worl. >I'll admit Nick lost me a few days ago by siding with the >creationists. I know of no credible evidence that the Universe >is only 6000 years old. In contrast, the evidence derived from >multiple disciplines that the Universe is billions of years old >is internally consistent and overwhelming. But that's no reason >to treat the very interesting NASA story with contempt. >Theoretically this is all very doable stuff and not that far off >in the future. 20 years ago this may have been science fiction >but not now. David, Ain't nobody around here got a sense of humor? No 'hostility' or 'contempt' intended. I was simply trying (and apparently failing) to make a semi-humorous, semi-serious comment about people, like Nick (I think; also Bob Young on another issue) who tend to confuse the concepts of probability and possibility. Keep up the good work on Socorro. Your efforts are much appreciated. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hayes From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:55:08 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:37:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hayes >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:44:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative <snip> >But now the truth is out. A spy eh? It just doesn't get >much lower than that. Unless you take that unfortunate >incident in high school inside the boys locker room into >consideration. But we won't speak of that. Hello John, You mean there was an incident in the boys locker room as well as the school panto saga that Errol recently admitted to? A big hello to Major Ben! Regards, John Hayes webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com Official Archives for UFO Roundup, AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences, UFO + PSI Magazine plus archives of Filer's Files, Oz Files, UFO News UK and UFO Sightings Italia.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:01:46 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:39:58 -0400 Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain - Speiser >From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:10:53 +0200 (CEST) >Subject: Re: The Oberg Challenge: Spain >When the first message on the topic of "The Oberg Challenge" >broke on UFO Updates, my initial reaction was to think if there >was any example of such covert activities that might have >generated or induced "UFO" events in Spain, my own country. >Consequently, I e-mailed Jim Oberg, with whom I correspond >occassionally, to find out whether or not he had any precise >information regarding Spain. With his authorization, I am >posting Oberg's reply to this Forum, as it adds some details >that may be of general interest. >--- James Oberg <jamesoberg@houston.rr.com>wrote: >>I don't know of such activities in Spain. The information I collected >>was in letters sent to me by military veterans, following a request I >>published in an Air force magazine about 1982. I also had my friend in >>New Mexico, and I later talked with and interviewed several of the >>letter-writers. I suspect I merely 'scratched the surface', as they say. >>My point is, this type of activity is potentially a significant >>contributor to the 'noise' in this phenomenon, and is perhaps impossible >>to eliminate. >>Jim Hmmmm....so Oberg considers this "noise"... is this a "signal" that he doesn't consider it part of the "signal"??? Or does he consider the whole field "noise"? Probably the latter. I think I will write to him and ask him just what he had in mind for CSETI to do about this "noise." He seemed quite certain that some action on their part would produce fruitful results. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:11:23 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:42:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm Message to operative JB Michaels: Mission accomplished. Mr. Knapp's credibility has now been neutralized, and he will no longer be able to spoil our fiendish plans for world domination. You will be paid handsomely for your Counter-Counter- Disinformation activities. Your next target is Betty Hill. Good luck. "Francois Luna" Assistant-Vice-Under-Deputy-Secretary for Field Operatives, Bureau of Counter-Counter-Disinformation Strategies, Supreme Coucil, Anti-Terran Authority (SCATA)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:18:13 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:45:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Hall >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:44:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >>Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >>http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >>[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >>fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >>coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >>Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] >Hah! Busted!!! I knew it. The day I found out that your name was >really; Errol Badinov-Knapp, I should have guessed it. That >London Fog trench-coat that you wear even in summer, the >disfiguring scars on your face, the glass eye, the foul odor you >emit, (caused by your well known habit of bathing infrequently,) >all clear indicators that 'should have' set off my internal >alarms. >But now the truth is out. A spy eh? It just doesn't get much >lower than that. Unless you take that unfortunate incident in >high school inside the boys locker room into consideration. But >we won't speak of that. >>You want the truth. We will find it. >I can save him some time in his search for the truth. It's >located under the same rock he crawled out from. >>[All together now... "Thank God for ace-investigator >>JB Michaels!" --ebk] >"Thank God for ace-investigator JB Michaels!" >As for you... Spy! Fink! >John Velez, Outraged Listerion :) Aha! Truth will out. I can confirm the accuracy of J.B. Michaels startling disclosure, because both he and I secretly worked for the National Enquirer (or was it the National Examiner?) and we had unimpeachable sources. Unfortunately, they remain hidden in caves in Afghanistan, not to mention under rocks. Also, as a well-known Government disinformation specialist myself (ask SJ or any other conspiracy theorist on the 'Net), I was aware that Errol was operating a sleeper cell in Toronto. His cover story has been exceedingly clever and has been a source of inspiration to we expert information suppressors and spin-doctors. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:45:15 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:49:26 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:47:12 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:13:16 -0400 >>Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>Reason for cover-up. >There _was_ no cover up Don - that's the point. Nonsense Andy, If the authorities - in this case the military - refused to release and deliberately withheld details and the reasons for the accident in the first place, then it's a cover-up. I'm not claiming any UFO connection here - just a good old fashioned, military, cover-your-ass for public relations reasons-coverup. Read again my reasons; >The Controller continued vectors right up to >his clutter point-further comlicated by... Pilot misreading or >mis-set altimeter. RAF didn't want public to know that there was >a loss of life during an exercise. It was the 70s, height of the >cold war. American exchange officer. RAF/NATO didn't want the >general public to know that they and the allies quite frequently >used commercial airliners and other commercial aircraft as >targets during exercises without their knowledge. Whether some tried to make a UFO connection out of this has little to do with the end result. Most of the details are out now - except some elicited by David Clarke from 5 Squadron's Commanding Officer - and show a clear and simple "failure to come to grips" with the public's right to know at least some of the details. This was much easier to do in the 70s than it is now. I'm suggesting that this had more to do with an embarrassing international relations incident than anything that might have had to do any military incident. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:17:06 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:51:48 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:47:12 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >The show even saw Nick Pope doing his usual fence-sitting as >even he believes this case was not UFO or cover-up related. I was hardly fence-sitting, because I made it clear from the outset of my involvement with this documentary that any attempt to link the tragic death of Capt Schaffner with a UFO incident was entirely spurious. Lightning XS 894 crashed on September 8, 1970. I first came across the allegations concerning this crash in 1992, while working in Secretariat(Air Staff) at the Ministry of Defence (MOD). My duties included researching and investigating UFOs (the job was broadly analogous to the work done by Project Blue Book), and it was claimed that Capt Schaffner's aircraft was lost following an encounter with a UFO. I obtained the Board of Inquiry report and satisfied myself that such allegations were false. The aircraft crashed during a Tactical Evaluation exercise. Capt Schaffner's aircraft was vectored onto a Shackleton, with a view to practising low speed shadowing and shepherding. During the course of this difficult task, Capt Schaffner flew his aircraft into the sea. Ian Cundall at the BBC contacted me at an early stage in the production of this programme, and asked me for my recollection of this incident. Following discussions with MOD PR staff I was able to do this, and help locate both the Accident Card and the original file on the crash. I met Capt Schaffner's sons on June 28 this year, and talked them through the circumstances of the accident. They had been extremely upset at the unfounded rumours surrounding the death of their father, and were grateful to the MOD for their openness in helping answer their questions concerning his death. I gave a brief interview to the BBC, in which I explained the circumstances of the crash, criticised those who had started these distressing and unfounded rumours, and made some more general comments about my official MOD investigations into cases where military pilots have seen UFOs. The BBC tape is in the mail, so I have yet to see what survived the edit, but I was unequivocal in my views on this incident, and most definitely not on the fence. Best wishes, Nick Pope
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:22:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:53:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: Royce J. Myers III <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:21:11 -0700 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>From: J B Michaels >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >>Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >>http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >>[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >>fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >>coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >>Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] >Well, I guess that's it. EBK has thrown in with the evil >'guvmint' thugs, UFO Updates has been a well orchestrated >disinformation campaign aimed at fooling the UFO masses (now >that's devious), the sky is falling, the Tooth Fairy is leaving >lint again and no one can find that last piece to put Humpty >Dumpty back together again. The end of UFOlogy is near... >Woe is the UFO community that was so blindly mislead and >fooled...I feel so...so taken advantage of... sniff. Damn you >EBK and those evil Canadian disinfo giants...! >Regards, >Royce J. Myers III >UFOWATCHDOG.COM >"Don't Trip On Your Open Mind... or all those stacks of >money that you're being paid by the 'guvmint' to fool all >those rabid UFO folks... I thought everyone knew this. The Penthouse suite, the villa in Naples, the private jet and the endless parade of women. You either have to be an agent or a rock star... and he ain't a rock star. Don The Far East Station
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:55:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: Royce J. Myers III <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:21:11 -0700 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>From: J B Michaels >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >>Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>I was not surprised when I found this on the >>net: >Well, I guess that's it. EBK has thrown in with the evil >'guvmint' thugs, UFO Updates has been a well orchestrated >disinformation campaign aimed at fooling the UFO masses (now >that's devious), the sky is falling, the Tooth Fairy is leaving >int again and no one can find that last piece to put Humpty >Dumpty back together again. The end of UFOlogy is near... >Woe is the UFO community that was so blindly mislead and >fooled...I feel so...so taken advantage of... sniff. Damn you >EBK and those evil Canadian disinfo giants...! I guess the South Park movie of a couple of years ago had it correct: Blame it all on the Canadians!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:31:41 -0600 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:56:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Jeez, ya just had to go and blow your cover, didn't you! Crud, now I guess I have to demand back the money I sent you covertly in the mayonaise jar to cover you know what! <G> You should be ashamed of yourself, you bad boy, you! <G> Wendy Connors
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 RIAP Kharkov Ukraine From: Alexander Beletsky <riap777@SoftHome.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:41:50 +0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:38:37 -0400 Subject: RIAP Kharkov Ukraine Research Institute on Anomalous Phenomena, Kharkov, Ukraine Dear Colleague, My name is Alexander Beletsky. I am Vice-Director of Research Institute on Anomalous Phenomena (RIAP) - an independent scientific-research body, established in Kharkov (Ukraine) ten years ago. We aim at scientific studies in the fields of the UFO problem and the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) question. The Institute makes its investigations in close collaboration with the CIS Academy of Cosmonautics and Russian Academy of Sciences. Please find here attached (as Appendix I) a RIAP Information Leaflet describing the Institute's research programs in some detail. To inform the international ufological community about the results of investigations that are conducted by RIAP specialists and other scientists in the territory of the former Soviet Union, we started, in 1994, a special periodical: newsletter RIAP Bulletin (RB). It is the ONLY serious anomalistic periodical in the Commonwealth of Independent States published IN ENGLISH. There appear in RB research articles, short communications, book reviews, letters to the Editor, etc. RB Vol. 1, Nos. 1-4 - Vol. 8, Nos. 1-2 have been printed and sent to subscribers. They contain, in particular, the papers "Post-Soviet Ufology: a View from Inside", by V.V.Rubtsov; "The "Russian Roswell": a Legend Under Examination", by Y.N.Morozov, "UFOs as Objects of Study by Terrestrial Physics", by V.A.Buerakov; "Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon: A Justification", by A.V.Arkhipov; "History of State-Directed UFO Research in the USSR", by the Russian academic UFO expert Y.V.Platov and Colonel B.A.Sokolov; "The Petrozavodsk Phenomenon", by L.M.Gindilis & Y.K.Kolpakov; "The Black Ball: a Supposed Extraterrestrial Artifact", by V.N.Fomenko; "A Thousand Years of Russian UFOs", by M.B.Gershtein, "A Second UFO Landing on the River Mzha", by a group of RIAP scientists, and others. We have also published the first really comprehensive survey of anomalous features of the famous Tunguska explosion ("The Tunguska Meteorite: A Dead-Lock or the Start of a New Stage of Inquiry?"), written by the leading Russian specialist in this problem - Nikolay V. Vasilyev, Member of Academy. RIAP Bulletin is published four times per year. Subscription rates: a life-long subscription - $100; 12 issues (three years) - $50; 8 issues (two years) - $35; 4 issues (one year) - $20. Airmail postage included. Back issues are still available in limited quantities ($5 per copy, $89 a whole set - twenty issues). RIAP Bulletin is also produced as a PDF file - that is immediately sent to subscribers via the Internet. The "electronic RB" is an exact replica of its printed version. It can be easily read with the help of a free browser - Adobe Acrobat Reader. A Special Proposal is valid until September 30, 2002: all back RB issues (20 issues) in the PDF format, plus life-long subscription to either the print or electronic version of the bulletin (according to your choice) - for only $49 (usual price: $165). If you are interested in subscribing to RIAP Bulletin, please let me know. I and my colleagues would be happy to inform you about advances and prospects of anomalistic studies in this part of the world. There will appear in the next RB issues, in particular, the following papers: "Astroengineers over Tunguska", by V.K.Zhuravlev; "UFOs: False and Genuine", by Y.V.Platov; "UFO Landings on the Mzha River: the Investigations Continue", by V.P.Goloveshko et al., "Examining Possible Paleovisit Traces", by Y.N.Morozov, and many others. With all my best wishes and warmest regards, I remain, Sincerely yours, Alexander V. Beletsky M.A., Vice-Director RIAP http://www.geocities.com/riap777/ ================ Appendix I RESEARCH INSTITUTE ON ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA, Kharkov, Ukraine The principal trends of researches of the institute in the UFO field are as follows: creation of an efficient system of reconstruction of a real anomalous event on the basis of witnesses' testimonies; formation of a unified CIS UFO data base (in collaboration with the Expert Group on Anomalous Atmospheric Phenomena of the Russian Academy of Sciences) and a computer expert system to identify genuine UFOs (GUFOs); development of physical models of GUFOs; monitoring of a place of recurrent UFO landings on the river Mzha, near Kharkov; studies in the hidden history of Soviet ufology. In the SETI field, there was realized, under the guidance of Alexey V. Arkhipov, phase I of the program "Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon" (SAAM) and its results have been presented on the pages of RIAP Bulletin. Besides, we have been examining some enigmatic finds that can be considered candidate extraterrestrial artifacts (ancient, or not so ancient). These are the so-called "Kassimov ball" - a small (diameter some 4.5 cm) black ball of unknown origin, found in Central Russia in 1983 at a depth of 7 meters, in a layer of pure red clay, - and the remains of a strange object that obviously originated from space and fell down near Kharkov in 1994 (judging from its chemical composition, it is neither a meteorite, nor terrestrial space junk). The institute pays considerable attention to the problem of the Tunguska explosion of 1908. We are studying statistical parameters of the forest fall area, as well as the biogeochemical elemental and isotopic anomalies and population- genetic effects, revealed in the area of the catastrophe. A state-of-the-art collection of research papers on the Tunguska problem is now under preparation. The Scientific Council and Advisory Board of the Institute include such Russian and Ukrainian specialists in the UFO problem and SETI field as Dr. E.A.Ermilov (specialist in radio detection of aerial anomalous phenomena), Dr. V.N.Fomenko (investigator of the famous Vashka find, as well as other supposed ET artifacts), Dr. L.M.Gindilis (astronomer and SETI expert), Dr. Y.V.Platov (Vice-Chairman of the Academic UFO Study Group), Dr. V.K.Zhuravlev (investigator of the Tunguska explosion), and others. The Advisory Board comprehends also a group of well-known Western scientists, scholars and engineers - V.-J.Ballester Olmos (Spain), Dr. T.E.Bullard (USA), Dr. R.F.Haines (USA), Dr. A.Meessen (Belgium), et al. Dr. Vladimir V. Rubtsov, Full Member of the CIS Academy of Cosmonautics and one of the pioneers of ufological studies in the former USSR, is Director of RIAP. Institute mailing address: RIAP, P.O.Box 4542, 61022 Kharkov-22, Ukraine. Internet e-mail addresses: <riap777@SoftHome.net>, <tolimak@nettaxi.com> Website: http://www.geocities.com/riap777/ ===========================================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 17 Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >analyzing Moore's model. Thanks for your exhaustive... and exhausting... analysis!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina - From: Manuel Borraz <maboay@teleline.es> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:42:15 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:56:11 -0400 Subject: Re: UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina - >From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:44:53 -0400 >Subject: UFO Pursuit In Southern Cordoba Argentina >SOURCE: C=EDrculo Ovnilogico Riocuartense (COR) >DATE: 09/16/02 >UFO PURSUIT IN SOUTHERN CORDOBA >**UFOs reappear in Cordoba's southern reaches** Once again, we find a setting Venus where the observers saw the UFO (see my recent post "Venus Was There", Sep. 14th, for other examples from the "South American UFO Flap"). Manuel Borraz
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - Anthony From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:30:15 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:58:07 -0400 Subject: Re: 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - Anthony >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: <updates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:45:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - <snip> >Whether some tried to make a UFO connection out of this has >little to do with the end result. Most of the details are out >now - except some elicited by David Clarke from 5 Squadron's >Commanding Officer - and show a clear and simple "failure to >come to grips" with the public's right to know at least some of >the details. This was much easier to do in the 70s than it is >now. Hi List and Don, Don you are right, but there are still one or two more important facts on the Schaffner case still to surface, like for example who was the source of the phoney story in the first place? I and a few others, including David Clarke, who have followed this account from day one have a very good idea who and why; but it is a question of proving it. Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:18:15 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:30:48 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:03 -0400 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:48:27 EDT >>Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth >The last piece of the puzzle is the third stage itself. How did >it get so far afield. Not saying it couldn't but, it would be >nice to tie this up in a nice little package. The loss of the >3rd stage, its long journey and recapture by earth's >gravity..... Don: Probably went into orbit around the Sun which periodically crossed the Earth or Moon's orbits. People will try to refine it since it's a Near Earth Object. We'll have to wait, I guess. Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: David D. Furlotte <Furry@nobelmed.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:34:24 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:34:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm Gee, you really don't do much "surfing" on the Net, do you sparky? I found that little piece of... 'information' - being a gentleman and knowing that there are several ladies who read the list, I shall refrain from calling it what it is - at least 3 years ago and was on the phone with Errol about 12 seconds after reading it. We had a pretty good laugh about it. >I am not quitting on this one. I have an additional crash film, >another huge UFO seen by a whole family and their neighbors, and >sorry my man of a thousand accounts - we are going to get to the >bottom of all this. Get to the bottom of it? The bottom of what? Oh, and by all means, please don't stop, I know Errol probably enjoys being so notorious that he now can say he has a bona fide stalker. >You are being tracked. Your posts, your activity under different >psuedonyms and this will be put out to the world so that they >can re-think your comments on true UFO happenings which are >proved by the testimony of a large number of witnesses. Uh, oh, let me guess, you're gonna run a disclosure project on finding out the truth about EBK. Oh, oh, oh, please, please include me as one of your witnesses, I've known Errol for about 20 years now and I can tell you _all_kinds_ of things. I can even give you one of his secret identities. At one time... in some very, very close circles he was known as... 'Tiny'. On a much more serious note, if you truly persist in believing what you've read there about EBK, you're doing a damn fine job of proving that you aren't the brightest crayon in the box, sparky. Mama, call the pool guy, looks like we've got some scum in the gene pool again. Dave (Furry) Furlotte
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 The Truth Is... It's A Tower From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:38 -0400 Subject: The Truth Is... It's A Tower http://www.canada.com/halifax/dailynews/story.asp?id=3D563D91A6-96D9-45CF-AB= 25-FDB9DF976A88 The truth is ... it's a tower The Daily News Monday, September 16, 2002 A report of a red light over Grand Lake had police and airport officials scratching their heads for two days last week. The report first came in Thursday around 11 p.m. A resident walking his dog said he saw a light moving across the sky, before hovering in one place on the horizon. When RCMP officers arrived, they saw it too, but couldn=92t figure it what it was. =93It was a very curious sight,=94 said Const. Peter Marshall, spokesman for the RCMP=92s Halifax detachment. =93It was just above the horizon. They didn=92t see a tower, and (the light) wasn=92t blinking.=94 A call to Halifax International Airport revealed neither its control tower nor the one in Moncton had detected anything unusual. The Mounties watched the light for awhile, and didn=92t see it move. They decided it didn=92t pose a threat to anything. However, one of them went back Saturday night =97 on his own time =97 to satisfy his curiosity, Marshall said. The officer found a relatively new road leading to a tower, Marshall said. =93And there=92s a big red light.=94 =A9 Copyright 2002 The Daily News
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hamilton From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:00:25 UT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:11 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hamilton >From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman@psln.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:34:59 -0700 >>From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person >>declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. >>They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that >>assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory >>proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an >>un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course >>silly and anti-scientific. >Steve, Nick, List, >I just finished reading 'Acquiring Genomes' by Lynn Margulis & >Dorian Sagan; and if you're at all interested in evolution, it's >a mind-blower. She and her son, Dorian, also wrote *Microcosmos* >which goes into great detail about the importance of bacteria in >evolution. One example is that it's almost impossible to >understand gene manipulation without understanding that the >cells allow us to introduce new DNA. >Margulis points out that gene sharing is a very natural process >at the bacterial level and we are simply taking advantage of >this dynamic. >"Intelligent Design" folks might be closer to the truth about >how evolution works than the neo Darwinists. If not, they will get there and I do not endorse Creationism, but I favor Fred Hoyle's ideas on Panspermia and Intelligent hierarchies. This book *Acquiring Genomes* is on my list to read. I might also recommend "Quantum Evolution" by JohnJoe McFadden. McFadden argues that evolution may not be random at all. -Bill Hamilton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Reporter Remembers Highs Lows Of Job From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:49 -0400 Subject: Reporter Remembers Highs Lows Of Job http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/091502/loc_091502024.shtml Web posted Sunday, September 15, 2002 Longtime reporter remembers highs, lows of the job By PAUL VAN KOLKEN Staff writer Certainly there are memorable events and circumstances in 40 years of newsgathering. Most have been enlightening and pleasant but there were a few cases of fright or bewilderment. Like the night in 1965 when the lights went out along the East Coast and left us in Associated Press bureaus across the county with chilling moments. There was no communications with bureaus along the Eastern seaboard. They fell silent. In those days, transmission of wire copy to member newspapers and broadcast stations was by leased land lines from AT&T or the Bell System. Any interruption in the several circuits fed into and out of the Detroit office set off bells, alerting technicians to trouble along the circuits. That night the sound was deafening and prolonged. At the same time all the trunk teletype circuits ran "open" -- no rhythmic typing of the machines, just a nervous and rapid chatter. The telephone company said there was a massive power failure along the East Coast, cause unknown. The New York AP was the control point for the web of news circuits and with it shut down went the possibility of other bureaus to monitor what was happening. Thoughts surfaced of a disaster or an enemy attack. Bureaus across the county were connected by a private message circuit and, one by one, "signed in" with their call letters. "CX here" typed in Chicago. Bureaus in Ohio and Indiana signed in. Atlanta was operating, so was Cleveland and Kansas City. But nothing from Boston, Newark, Albany, Washington or New York. A massive power grid failure plunged much of the northeast and parts of Canada into darkness that evening. A malfunction in one power grid forced an overload on others and, as additional power was summoned, a domino effect spread. The pattern was stopped before a power outage spread into the Midwest. While in Detroit in 1966, news organizations followed the sighting of UFOs in the southern part of the state. It was the latest sightings in the UFO craze. City officials, prominent citizens and police officers all reported seeing lights in the sky for several nights. The sightings were consistent and supported one another. The Air Force sent in its noted UFO expert to investigate the matter. He took notes, dispelled local theories and promised to issue a report later. The day came at a Detroit news conference. While I held an open telephone line in a phone booth in the lobby, a staffer covered the conference and chuckled as he began dictating his story. "Swamp gas," he said. "The UFOs are nothing but swamp gas." <snip> Paul Van Kolken retired last week as a reporter for The Sentinel, concluding a 40-year career in journalism.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:13:11 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth - Young >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:09:54 -0700 >Subject: Re: J002E3 A New 'Moon' Around Earth <snip> >>Of course, an E.T. spacecraft is a remote possibility but not >>one that has been ruled-out, yet. Two other such mystery objects >>were tracked, in Earth orbit in 1952, which the media wrote >>about at the time quoting space-experts. These objects, which >>were initially thought to be pre-Sputnik Russian launched >>satellites, caused much concern at the Pentagon too. >We were able to track things in Earth orbit in 1952? Not >denying it, just really surprised to hear it Jim: By 1952 several thousand asteroids had had their orbits determined. I have on a couple occasions tried to track down this report, but came up with dead ends. I suspect that this might have been about a couple near Earth asteroids. If anybody has any more info, it would be interesting. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:54:28 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:49:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Ho there John 'Snoopbuste' Velez, my good friend, >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:44:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >>Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >>http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >>[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >>fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >>coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >>Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] >Hah! Busted!!! I knew it. The day I found out that your name was >really; Errol Badinov-Knapp, I should have guessed it. That >London Fog trench-coat that you wear even in summer, the >disfiguring scars on your face, the glass eye, the foul odor you >emit, (caused by your well known habit of bathing infrequently,) >all clear indicators that 'should have' set off my internal >alarms. >But now the truth is out. A spy eh? It just doesn't get much >lower than that. Unless you take that unfortunate incident in >high school inside the boys locker room into consideration. But >we won't speak of that. John, it gets a lot lower than you profess. Perhaps EBK is a double spy for ACC. Maybe the reason he keeps you close to him in activities is that he can keep track of you and report back to ACC. :) I can't believe Ed Wang is still Wanging his dang doodle in the same direction just like a broken blues record stuck in the same groove. Is the other crazed wacko, Ed Shulman still around? It's been years since their original fraud of lies attack. About once a year I've checked their notorious nuthouse website and I've been amazed that it still exists in all its delusions. I'd seen Shulman but not much lately of Ed Wang, who always used to be his "respond with the truth of the master" sidekick, at his disposal for barking. If I could have my way I would form a "Guys and Girls In White" covert unit under the highly classified direction of a small board of the UFO researchers and investigators who are chosen for their clear thinking and respect, as recognized by the UFO community. They would secretly slip into ACC and have the psychiatrists on the team perform on the spot analysis and testing of Shulman, Wang, and all the employees, spouses, girlfriends, children, and pets. We would then administer the required anti-psychotic medications so that they could have their delusions disappear, drop ACC, the website, and choose more productive paths. The further rehabilitation and medication will be under the continuing care program of the State Mental Health Department. ACC is one more good example of the psychotic thinking of the many hucksters, liars, and psychopaths who severely pollute the waters of Ufology. A Special Operation, just another job of "The Guys and Girls in White" force in their covert operation to locate fraudsters and reorient their thinking by whatever means necessary. After each mission we relax with beers and pizzas, laughing about our exploits. This will be a team of Rainbow Warriors from every race and/or species. John, does that sound inviting to you, Snoopbuster Velez? EBK, would you be interested in being our communications chief? You could stay out of harm's way, handling it from your radio shack. Plus, you are not in good enough shape for field assignment due to you spending too many precious hours sitting on your butt at the computer, keeping this wild flock of Listerions steadily headed in a good direction, greatly helped and expanded by your radio work and enterprises. Since I am me, partly disabled and a trained detective, I will naturally be the brains of the unit. I can do that from home in my nuclear, alien, and Saddam Hussein proof covert operations center. You folks who survive the team tryouts can choose a team leader. The bickering and the choice must be done in four hours. The future is yours. >>You want the truth. We will find it. >I can save him some time in his search for the truth. It's >located under the same rock he crawled out from. >>[All together now... "Thank God for ace-investigator >>JB Michaels!" --ebk] >"Thank God for ace-investigator JB Michaels!" >As for you... Spy! Fink! >John Velez, Outraged Listerion :) Folks, we need outraged Listerions from Noo Yawk or anywhere else who can clean up the UFO field like Mayor Giulliani did for New York. If you are at a UFO meeting, conference, or convention, and you hear someone who, by virtue of your values and knowledge of the field, is fraudulent, please do not hesitate in pinning that person down in front of the audience at the beginning of the questions and answers segment. Be persistent and focused on the mission. If you feel armed with the facts steadily pin that person into a lonely, dark corner of his or her self-imposed box. Make sure everyone in the vicinity is aware of the facts of your exposure of a fraud. Try to keep a professional demeanor, using facts, not venom. Every Listerion who performs such a heroic duty for objective truth will be awarded with a "Guys and Girls In White" Special Commendation when the story describing the encounter is posted on this list. Perhaps a top 50 most wanted and a top 10 most wanted list can be agreed to here and some enterprising Listerion can make it up and post it widely on the net. Underneath each photo and name would be the nature of their fraudulent claims. That would be followed by a short and precise statement of the facts that disprove the con artist's claim. Those lists should be spread far and wide. Perhaps Listerions would be interested in purposely going to a UFO meeting, etc. where a known fraud will be performing. Place those lists all around before engaging the intended scoundrel. Make sure to have a well-honed command of the operation, freshly studied prior to the mission. Good luck in your individual actions to answer lies with evidence in order to clean the waters of its pollution. Our team will take on the tough, complicated jobs but our effort will gain nothing without you. The future of Ufology is in your hands. Please do your missions from both your head and heart, not denying either. Truth always wins but, sometimes, it needs help. Please keep in touch regarding your progress in cleaning up our environment. We will someday have a giant beach party together (I know Malibu and Maui like the backs of my hands) and we will celebrate the cleansing of the waters with surfing, swimming, sunning, barbecue, music, merriment, fireworks, and frolic. It will be the annual party and awards from the "Guys and Girls in White" to the most outstanding of the truth agents who caused the most damage to the Lair of Lies that information and intelligence deprived superficial thinking people reflexively react to and who need great help to learn to be able to be truth dogs. It takes mastering the canine call that when you smell a lie you must pee on it before it grows larger. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: James Alexander <james-m-alexander@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:54:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:52:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm >[Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out >fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped >coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' >Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] >Obviously no one really took the time to investigate any of the >cases. No one bother to notice that John Ford was committed and >other researchers and people involved in the incident are >missing. (as said by Mike Christol - Brian Levine) Mike Christol >knew the truth and it is unfortunate he would back pedal on a >great deal of evidence and facts that he himself gave to me. >[Just like Tom Theofanous, eh, JB? And your Grandmother who >left you a 'fortune'? --ebk] >What happened was serious at both incidents and both incidents >were hotly disputed and anyone investigating them was torn up on >the boards. >[That's the problem with live-theatre of the mind --ebk] >Coincidence. I don't think so. There is one thing to criticize a >book.. it is another thing to shred it with no proof at all. >[And quite another to write a book "with no proof at all" --ebk] >Both incidents happened. They were not hoaxes and neither one >has ever been proved a hoax by showing who set up the hoax and >how it was done. >[No! --ebk] >I am not quitting on this one. I have an additional crash film, >another huge UFO seen by a whole family and their neighbors, and >sorry my man of a thousand accounts - we are going to get to the >bottom of all this. >[Let's hope its not too stinky a bottom, JB --ebk] >You are being tracked. Your posts, your activity under different >psuedonyms and this will be put out to the world so that they >can re-think your comments on true UFO happenings which are >proved by the testimony of a large number of witnesses. >[Quick, burn the cheque-stubs from my C-12 'handlers', Santa. >Delete the UpDates Archive too - don't want a single trace of >my nefarious, duplicitous, evil-doing ways left for JB --ebk] >You want the truth. We will find it. >[All together now... "Thank God for ace-investigator >JB Michaels!" --ebk] >jbm >[P-uh-lease! --ebk] I've known Errol before I knew he had any interest in the UFO phenomenon. What I can say for sure, that some on the list may not know. Is that Errol is hardly what I would call "Nefarious". The most "conspiritorial" (if I dare call it that) thing he was a former Atari ST user. Thats hardly puts him in the same league as csiflop. Hopefully this whole topic will soon be relieved to be a "red hot scorcher" of an april fools joke that just couldnt wait. Its just too hilarious to take seriously.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 UFO Periodicals Wanted And For Trade From: Rod Dyke <RodBD@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:01:35 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:13:34 -0400 Subject: UFO Periodicals Wanted And For Trade Dear fellow researchers: I am trying to complete my personal research archives. Your help in any way is greatly appreciated! The following listed items are Wanted and/or FOR Trade. My prime needs and wants are listed, but will also trade for many other items not listed...let me know what you have to offer! I PREFER ORIGINALS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE! I will also be glad to purchase those items wanted, if you do not wish to trade! Let me know what you have and what you want for them! Thank you! -Rod Dyke NOTE: [ * after issue listed means I have a xerox but NEED AN ORIGINAL] [ + after issue listed means I NEED A BETTER CONDITION ORIGINAL or that the duplicate I have for trade is not in the best condition] NOTICE: I WILL ALSO BUY WHOLE COLLECTIONS OF UFO/FORTEAN TYPE MATERIALS OUTRIGHT! LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER...NO COLLECTION IS TO LARGE! 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Or it still being published?] [Duplicates for Trade]: Launch Issue [pre #1 trial], #1-32, 34, 36-41, 43-72 ================================================================ CANADIAN UFO REPORT -[Canada]- [#1-35, 1969-1979. John Magor, ed.] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 16, 26, 33 ================================================================ CRIFO ORBIT - [Leonard Stringfield] [36 issues monthly 1954- 1957] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: Official Leonard Stringfield REPRINT set of all 36 issues. For Trade as a complete SET OF ONLY. ================================================================ CUFOS ASSOCIATE NEWSLETTER - [Center for UFO Studies, 1980-1985] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: 1980 - Vol 1: # 7, 8 1981 - Vol 2: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 1982 - Vol 3: # 1, 3, 5, 6 1983 - Vol 4: # 2, 6 1984 - Vol 5: # 1, 3 1985 - Vol 6: # 2, 3 [last issue] [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 5: # 5 ================================================================ CUFOS C.I.Q. [ CENTER INVESTIGATORS QUARTERLY ] [ June 1977 - ??] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 2-11, 13, 15, 19, 21-23, 25-&-UP [Ends # ?] ================================================================ CUFOS NEWS BULLETIN - [1974-1981: 1st Series, 1988-?? 2nd Series ] [Center for UFO Studies] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: ***ALL ISSUES BUT*****************: 1974: May, Jul, Dec 1975: Jan, Apr, Jun, Aug, Nov 1976: Feb, Jun, Dec 1977: Spr, Sum, Fall, Wint 1978: Spr, 1979: Sum+ -------------------- 1988: Apr [Duplicates for Trade]: 1988: Apr ================================================================ DATA-NET REPORT - [# 1-69, 1967-1973 Michael Jaffee] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9*, 10*, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20*, 21, 22, 23*, 24*, 25*, 26, 27* ================================================================ DOUBT MAGAZINE - [aka "Fortean Society Magazine" 1938-1960, #1- 61] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 30, 32, 34, 35, 37, 42 [Originals Wanted]:# 1*, 2*, 4*, 5*, 6*, 7*, 8*, 9*, 10*, 11+, 13+, 15+, 17+, 20*, 21+, 52*, 55*, 56*, 57*, 59*, 60*, 61* ================================================================ FATE MAGAZINE - [1948 to date] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: BY ISSUE NUMBER ONLY: #1 [Spring 1948], 3, 4, 7-9, 12-13, 15-17, 20, 22-24, 27, 28, 36-41, 43-53, 56-69, 71-94, 96-112, 114-121, 123-236, 238-284, 286-290, 292, 294, 296-297, 300, 302-321, 325, 326, 328, 331- 337, 339-363, 371+-373+, 375+-377+, 384+, 386+, 387+, 390+, 393, 394, 397, 398, 407-409, 411, 412+, 414, 416, 418, 419, 422, 423, 432, 434, 437, 440, 441, 443, 446, 447, 451-472, 474-479, 483- 486, 490-499, 501-513, 515, 521, 526-532, 534-536, 544, 646, 548, 551, 552, 553+, 555+, 557-562, 564-571, 574, 578-581, 583- 589, 593, 596, 599-609 FATE LISTING FORMAT BY ISSUE NUMBER RANGE/YEAR/MONTH: Issue #'s for year / Year / Numeric Month (ie: 1= Jan, 2= Feb) [#1-3 ] 1948: Spring [#1], Fall [#3] [#4-8 ] 1949: Winter[#4], 9, 11 [#9-16 ] 1950: 1, 7, 8, 11, 12 [#17-24 ] 1951: 1, 5/6, 8/9, 10, 11/12 [#25-33 ] 1952: 4/5, 6, NOW MONTHLY - PER YEAR: [#34-45 ] 1953: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 [#46-57 ] 1954: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12 [#58-69 ] 1955: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#70-81 ] 1956: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#82-93 ] 1957: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#94-105 ] 1958: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#106-117] 1959: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#118-129] 1960: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#130-141] 1961: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#142-153] 1962: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#154-165] 1963: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#166-177] 1964: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#178-189] 1965: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#190-201] 1966: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#202-213] 1967: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#214-225] 1968: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#226-237] 1969: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 [#238-249] 1970: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#250-261] 1971: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#262-273] 1972: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#274-285] 1973: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 [#286-297] 1974: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12 [#298-309] 1975: 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#310-321] 1976: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#322-333] 1977: 4, 5, 7, 10, 11, 12 [#334-345] 1978: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#346-357] 1979: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#358-369] 1980: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 [#370-381] 1981: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 [#382-393] 1982: 3, 5, 6, 9, 12 [#394-405] 1983: 1, 4, 5 [#406-417] 1984: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11 [#418-429] 1985: 1, 2, 5, 6 [#430-440]*1986: 4, 6, 9, 12 * NOTE: Both Jan. & Feb. 1986 issues were numbered #430 [#441-453]*1987: 1, 2, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12 * NOTE: Jan. was numbered #441 and Feb. was # 443 to correct the numbering problem of #430 of 1986. There was no #442! [#454-465] 1988: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#466-477] 1989: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#478-489] 1990: 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9 [#490-501] 1991: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 [#502-513] 1992: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#514-525] 1993: 2, 8 [#526-537] 1994: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 *NOTE: First Large Format issue was #531 June 1994. [#538-549] 1995: 7, 9, 11 [#550-561] 1996: 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 [#562-573] 1997: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 [#574-585] 1998: 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 [#586-597] 1999: 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 11 [#598-609] 2000: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 NOTE: Totally different covers [one art and one text] are known to exist for issues 1958: 12 [#105] and 1959: 1-10 [#106-115], others may exist. ================================================================ FLYING SAUCER DIGEST - [1967 to date] [ U.A.P.A. - Rick Hilberg] [Memo: #20-23 were title "Mystique" and #26-30 "Flying Saucer Chronicles" and are not taken into account on this list] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 2, 8, 9, 11, 14, 18, 38-52, 54-93, 127, 128, 131-134, 136-140 [Duplicates for Trade]: # 3-4, 6, 13, 19, 95, 99, 100, 105-109, 114, 125, 126, 129, 130, 145 ================================================================ FLYING SAUCER REVIEW [England] - [UK] [1955 to date] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 2: # 4+ [Duplicates for Trade]: 1957-Vol 3: # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1958-Vol 4: # 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 1959-Vol 5: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 1961-Vol 7: # 1, 3 1963-Vol 9: # 1 1964-Vol 10: # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1965-Vol 11: # 5, 6 1966-Vol 12: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1967-Vol 13: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1968-Vol 14: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1969-Vol 15: # 1, 3 1973-Vol 19: # 6 1974-Vol 20: # 1, 5 1976-Vol 22: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1977-Vol 23: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1978-Vol 24: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1979-Vol 25: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1980/81-Vol 26: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1981/82-Vol 27: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1982/83-Vol 28: # 1, 2 1983/84-Vol 29: # 5 1984/85-Vol 30: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 1985/86-Vol 31: # 4, 6 1986/87-Vol 32: # 1, 4 ================================================================ FLYING SAUCER REVIEW - CASE HISTORIES - [UK] [#1-18] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 ================================================================ FLYING SAUCER REVIEW - SPECIALS - [UK] [#1-5] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1, 2, 3, 4 ================================================================ FLYING SAUCERS [Ray Palmer #1-92. Title merges into SEARCH @ #128] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1 (June 57), 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 78, 80, 81, 83, 84, 88, 90, 92 (# 92 was last regular issue, it was then combined into SEARCH Magazine at issue # 128, see that title which is also on this listing] ================================================================ FORTEAN TIMES - [UK] - [Aka: "THE NEWS" from issues #1-15] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 13, 62, 68, 76, 81, 84, 86, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 124 ================================================================ FORTEANA NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE - [ # 1-38, Dec 1970- Jan 1974] [Merged into the UFO Newsclipping Service starting with # 58] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1-38 ================================================================ FORUM - [Ray Palmer #1 - 144, 1966-1977] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 99, 100, 127, 128, 129 [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1-9, 11, 12, 38, 59, 63, 71, 103, 143 ================================================================ HIDDEN WORLD [The] - [Richard Shaver, #1-16, 1961-1964] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14, 15, 16 ================================================================ IDEAL'S UFO MAGAZINE - [Newstand Magazine] [#1-14, 1978-1981] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]:# 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ================================================================ I.N.F.O. JOURNAL - [International Fortean Organization] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 25, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 72, 73, 74, 77 ================================================================ INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF CRYPTOZOOLOGY NEWSLETTER - [I.S.C.] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 2 # 1-4, Vol 3 # 1-4, Vol 4 # 1-4, Vol 5 # 1, 2, 4, Vol 6 # 1-4, Vol 7 #1 ================================================================ INTERNATIONAL UFO REPORTER - [IUR - Center for UFO Studies] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 8: # 4+, 5+, Vol 9: # 2 [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 1: # 1 Vol 2: # 5, 9, 12 Vol 3: # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10-11 Vol 4: # 1, 2, 3-4, 5, 6 Vol 12: # 6 Vol 16: # 3 Vol 22: # 1 Vol 23: # 1 Vol 24: # 1, 4 Vol 25: # 1 Vol 25: # 4 ================================================================ JOURNAL OF SCIENTIFIC EXPLORATION ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 3: # 1 [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 12: # 1, 2, 3. Vol 15: # 3 ================================================================ JOURNAL OF TRANSIENT AERIAL PHENOMENA - [UK] BUFORA: V1#1 - V5#4] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 1: # 1, 4 Vol 2: # 4 Vol 3: # 1 [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 1: # 2 Vol 2: # 1, 2, 3 Vol 3: # 2, 3 Vol 4: # 3, 4 Vol 5: # 2, 3 ================================================================ LO! - [Fortean Newsletter - UAPA - Rick Hilberg] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ================================================================ MUFORG BULLETIN - [UK- Vol 1 #1 - Vol 4 #6, 1966-1971, John Rimmer Ed,-Predates the following periodicals]:.... MERSEYSIDE UFO BULLETIN - [UK- 1968-74, 34 issues, ends @ V6: #4] MUFOB [New Series]- [UK- #1-15 1976-1979 - then becomes MAGONIA] MAGONIA [UK- # 1-Present, started 1979 - John Rimmer, Ed.] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: MUFORG BULLETIN: [For this publication only: - Any EXCEPT]: Aug/1967, Oct/1967 MERSEYSIDE UFO BULLETIN: Vol 4: # 1x, 3x, 4 Vol 5: # 6x Vol 6: # 1x MUFOB [New Series]: # 1, 4, 5, 9 MAGONIA: # 3, 4, 5, 10, 13, 15, 36 [Duplicates for Trade]: MERSEYSIDE UFO BULLETIN: Vol 2: # 4, 5, 6. Vol 3: # 1, 2, 3 MUFOB [New Series]: # 6, 7, 10 MAGONIA: # 40, 41 ================================================================ MUFON JOURNAL - [Titled "SKYLOOK" #1-102] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 1*, 2*, 3, 4, 5, 6-7*, 8*, 11*, 13 [Duplicates for Trade]: 24, 27, 35, 74, 99, 223, 227, 229, 232, 234, 235, 237, 239, 242, 243, 245, 246, 250, 251, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 310, 311, 313, 316, 317, 319, 320, 321, 322, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 353, 354, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 364, 365, 369, 371, 373 ================================================================ MUFON PROCEEDINGS - [Annual MUFON Convention Yearbooks] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995 ================================================================ MYSTIC - [#1-16 Ray Palmer, name changed to SEARCH with #17] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ================================================================ NICAP: UFO INVESTIGATOR - [July 1957 - June 1980, Wash.DC] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: 1963: Vol 2 #8 [Mar-Apr] 1970: Dec 1978: Jun, Jul, Aug, Oct-Nov, Dec 1979: Jan, Feb, Mar 1980: Apr [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 1: # 3, 7 Vol 2: # 5+, 6, 7+, 9, 10, 11 Vol 3: # 1, 2, 3, 5, 6+, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12+ Vol 4: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Vol 5: # 1 1970: May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct 1971: Jan, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1972: Jan, Feb, Mar, May, Jun, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1973: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1974: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1975: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1976: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Oct, Nov, Dec 1977: Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 1978: Jan, Feb, Mar-Apr, May, 1979: Nov, Dec 1980: Jan ================================================================ NICAP QUARTERLY REVIEW - [Vol 1: #1-4 to Vol 2: #1-4, 1973-74] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 2: # 2, 4 ================================================================ PROBE THE UNKNOWN [Newstand Magazine] [Vol 1 #1 - Vol 5 #2, 1972-1977] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 1 # 4, 6. Vol 2 # 1, 4, 6. Vol 3 # 1, 2. Vol 4 # 4 [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 4 # 1, 2, 3. Vol 5 # 1 ================================================================ RES BUREAU BULLETIN - [Canada] [ #1-60, 7/15/1976-6/1980, Mr X; Ed] CHAOS- [Canada] [Mr X, Ed - Went 3 issues] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5*, 6+, 10+, 11+, 12+, 13+, 14+, 15+, 58+, 59, 60 CHAOS: Vol 1: 1*, 2*, 3* ================================================================ SAGA'S UFO REPORT - [Newstand Magazine] [Vol 1 # 1 - Vol 9 # 4 = 52 issues: [1969-1983] The first 4 issues in Vol 1 [but not attributed to a Volume # were know as: SAGA'S SPECIAL UFO REPORT [#1, 1969], SAGA'S UFO SPECIAL [#2, 1971 & #3, 1972], and SAGA'S 1973 UFO SPECIAL [#4, 1973]. The rest of the Volumes were at times listed as SAGA'S UFO REPORT and other times just UFO REPORT. [Note also: July 1977 is marked Vol 4 #4 but is in reality Vol 4 #3] SAGA'S UFO ANNUAL - [Newstand Magazine][# 1 - 9, 9 issues 1975- 1983] Note: 1978 & 1983 Annuals were not numbered, and 1982 Annual listed as Vol. 10 #1] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: Vol 1: # 4 [1973]+ * ANNUALS: # 9 [1983]+ [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 1: # 2 [1971], 3 [1972], 5 [Spr 1974], 6 [Sum 1974] Vol 2: # 1 [Fall 1974],2 [Winter 1974]+, 3 [Spr 1975], 5 [Fall 1975], 6 [Win 1975] Vol 3: # 1 [Apr 1976], 2 [June 1976], 3 [Aug 1976], 4 [Oct 1976], 5 [Dec 1976], 6 [Mar 1977] Vol 4: # 1 [May 1977], 2 [June 1977], 3 [July 1977], 4 [Aug 1977], 6 [Oct 1977] Vol 5: # 3 [Jan 1978]+, 5 [May 1978]+, 6 [June 1978]+ Vol 6: # 2 [Aug 1978]+, 3 [Sept 1978]+ Vol 7: # 1 [Feb 1979], 4 [Sept 1979], 6 [Dec 1979] Vol 8: # 4 [Aug 1978]+, 6 [Dec 1980] Vol 9: # 4 [Winter 1981]+ ANNUALS: # 1 [1975]+, 2 [1976], 3 [1977], 6 [1980]+, 7 [1981]+ ================================================================ SAUCER NEWS - [# 1-75, 1954-1970, Titled NEXUS #1-11, Jim Moseley] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 4, 5, 6, 7, 14, 15, 16+, 27+, 37+, 41+, 43 [Duplicates for Trade]: 1, 2, 3, 8+, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25+, 30+, 31+, 32+, 46+, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 72, 73, 74, 75 ================================================================ SAUCERS SPACE & SCIENCE - [Canada #1-64, 1957-72, Gene Duplantier] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 29, 30, 34, 35, 36, 37, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63 ================================================================ SEARCH - [# 17-?? Ending #??, See MYSTIC for # 1-16, Ray Palmer] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 116, 130, 153, 164, 168-171, 173-176, 178- 181, 183-187, 190 & UP > [Duplicates for Trade]: # 17, 19-24, 26, 28-37, 39-76, 78-90, 107-108, 112, 128 [1st combined issue with FLYING SAUCERS] 143, 146, 166 ================================================================ SECOND LOOK / FRONTIERS OF SCIENCE ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 1:# 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Vol 2:# 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Vol 3:# 1, 4, 6. Vol 4 #2 ================================================================ UFO's: A HISTORY [Loren E. Gross] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: 1952: June-July 20th 1954: January-May 1954: November-December 1956: May-July ALSO NEED MOST ALL ARCTURUS PRINTINGS....Most any date! [Duplicates for Trade]: 1947: The Full Year [& Boy what a year!!] [Arcturus Printing!] 1950: January-March [Arcturus Printing!] 1950: April-July [Arcturus Printing!] 1950: August-December [Arcturus Printing!] ================================================================ UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE [& FORTEAN REPORT ] - [1969 on ] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 1 [May 1969] TO PRESENT ================================================================ UFO MAGAZINE - [Ca. USA. - Ecker] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: Vol 3: # 1, 5 Vol 4: # 1, 2, 3, 4 Vol 5: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Vol 6: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Vol 7: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Vol 8: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Vol 9: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Vol 10: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Vol 11: # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Vol 12: # 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Vol 13: # 1, 2, 4, 6 Vol 14: # 4 Vol 16: # 3 Vol 17: # 1, 2 ================================================================ UFO REPORT -- SEE: "SAGA'S UFO REPORT" --- [Above on this list] ================================================================ ================================================================ UFO REPORTER - [M. Rasmussen; #1-3, 1974-75] ================================================================ [Duplicates for Trade]: # 2, 3 ================================================================ UFO TIMES - [UK] - [BUFORA: # 1-45?, 1989-1999?] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 22, 26, [46 up?] [Duplicates for Trade]: # 10, 11, 18, 24, 29, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44 ================================================================ UFO UPDATE - [Newstand Magazine] [#1-11, 1978-1981] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: #11 [Duplicates for Trade]: #3 ================================================================ WOULD YOU BELIEVE - [Armond Laprade] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: # 39+, 50 and up [What issue did it end with?] [Duplicates for Trade]: # 2, 7, 8, 9, 15, 20 ================================================================ ZETETIC SCHOLAR [#1 - ???] ================================================================ [Originals Wanted]: #1+, 12 & up [ends with #?] ================================================================ THIS IS ONLY THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR ARCHIVAL INVENTORY...If you have special wants, let me know and I will check the stacks...Also if you have items to offer not on this list, please let me know and I will check to see if we need them! THANK YOU ---- ================================================================ ******* ASK FOR MY DUPLICATE UFO & FORTEAN BOOK LIST ******* ================================================================
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:05:05 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:15:56 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:45:47 +0200 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >I see the point here as being that: if you are an investigator >or just trying to look at this objectively you would have long >ago gotten past the tendency to guess an answer until all the >evidence is analyzed. Josh: My point being is that the UFO connection to this unfortunate incident was most likely a cock and bull story. I've been out of town a couple days and it now seems that this was a good guess on my part. Why was this garbage even reported without checking out even the most elementary info like the fact that the UFO report and the death happened on different days? There are bottom feeders, willing to have a cheap thrill over some poor fellow's tragic death. And there are others willing to report this kind of junk irresponsibly. Why should I bother playing saucer investigator, when the whole thing stinks to high heaven? Anybody with information about this death should have contacted the Pennsylvania State Police, the County Coroner or some other responsible official immediately. To throw around this kind of junk from anonymous sources is irresponsible. If those reponsible actually thought there was something to these reports, they may very well have been legally reponsible to report them as well. Exciting tales about Army helicopters scouring the mountain (haven't they heard that the State Police have posessed helicopters since the 1950s?) or that the "Government" has seized the corpse and taken it to a local national guard training area to be held for two months just makes me sick. What did they think they were doing, just playing their Flying Saucer hobby? They have certain reponsibilities as citizens. I don't mind blowing off a stinker like this one as soon as it hits the airwaves. To do otherwise just encourages the creeps. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:05:06 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:18:26 -0400 Subject: Re: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction - >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:33:10 -0400 >Subject: SDI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction >DI Saturday Night & Possible ET Abduction And Death Of PA Man <snip> >Peter made it clear that: >1. Although there _are_ UFO reports that 'may be' directly >related to the death of Todd Sees, the connection is not clear- >cut. Peter informed us that the UFO related reports he has >received thus far are from 'anonymous' sources (anonymous to >Peter himself) and that they are to be taken with a grain of >salt until further investigations can be conducted. John, Then why in the world did Peter post them to his website? Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:05:03 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:17:20 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:19:19 +0000 >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported <snip> >Until some thorough investigation is conducted I would have to >say that, given the long and fully documented history of UFOs >(by me and others), abduction is at least equiprobable with foul >play, and from what has been reported so far the other >possibilities seem unlikely. Well, Dick, we can at last agree on one alleged UFO report. >You also left out the more likely possibility of an accident in >which he was electrocuted, as someone has already suggested. >Your 'science' apparently begins and ends with non potest, ergo >non est. Investigation first, probabilities second! No, this was included among: >>1) Wild rumors. >>2) A sad attempt by somebody to get notoriety, money or just a >>cheap thrill from the poor guy's death. >>3) Foul play. >>4) All or any two of the above. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Two Major Articles On Evidence For Circles From: Paul Anderson <psa@look.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:01:27 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:22:00 -0400 Subject: Two Major Articles On Evidence For Circles CCCRN NEWS The E-News Service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada September 18, 2002 _____________________________ TWO NEW MAJOR MEDIA ARTICLES ON THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR CROP CIRCLES Two new substantial mainstream articles on the work of the BLT Research Team outlining the latest scientific evidence for a real phenomenon, from The Sunday Times in the UK and the Providence Journal in the USA. Featured are key soil studies from the 1999 Edmonton, Alberta seven circle barley formation. Text copies below. THE CROP BUSTERS The Sunday Times Magazine September 15, 2002 Julie Cohen and Stuart Conway For years, crop circles have been taken as seriously as UFOs and fairies. Now, not only have the weird patterns arrived in Hollywood, but scientists are trying to solve the mystery. And the answer may lie in the soil. As the helicopter landed on the roof of New York's Rockefeller Plaza, two uniformed security guards ran out, speaking into their microphone headsets, and rushed Nancy Talbott inside. She was ushered into a suite where a sumptuous buffet was laid out. Aides made a respectful retreat as the philanthropist Laurance S Rockefeller arrived. Talbott, the president of BLT Research Team Inc, an organisation formed to investigate physical changes in plants at crop circles, had been invited to lunch to discuss an exciting proposal. Hollywood has just given British audiences its version of what causes crop circles, in the movie Signs, with Mel Gibson playing a farming preacher who discovers a formation in his field. But Talbott had information on the real phenomenon. Preliminary research suggested the circles were made by an unknown energy. The puzzle began six years ago for Diane Conrad, a geologist who analysed soil samples from a circle near her home in Logan, Utah. To her surprise, they displayed a characteristic generally found in sedimentary rock, caused by the pressure of tons of rock heated by the Earth's core over considerable time. Yet these samples were surface soil from within the crop circle; outside the circle, the soil showed none of these inexplicable traits. 'I couldn't understand the results,' Conrad explains. 'The soil seems to have been subjected to an intense heat of 500 to 1,500 degrees Celsius, and yet the plants were not incinerated. They were not even singed.' What kind of energy could produce heat of that intensity, yet not burn the plants to a crisp? Conrad was unable to initiate an in-depth evaluation at the time, but she passed the information on to Talbott, who has dedicated the past 10 years to co-ordinating scientific research into the circles. Research of soil samples required expensive techniques, so her mission was to persuade Rockefeller to fund it. More than 10,000 circles have been reported around the world to date. Formations have appeared in tree tops, ice and sand as well as crops. Nobody knows how many are genuine anomalies and how many are man-made, and scientific investigation has been very limited. But Conrad's work raised questions that Talbott believed mainstream science could not ignore. After a convivial lunch, Talbott handed Rockefeller her proposal. A few weeks later, a cheque for a 'substantial amount' arrived in the post. Field teams in the Netherlands, the United States and Canada collected soil samples. A seven-circle formation reported in September 1999 in Edmonton, Alberta, was chosen for detailed analysis. A farmer and his wife reported seeing unexplained lights above the field about a week before the circles were discovered. Nearly 90 soil samples, as well as controls taken from outside the circles, were sent to Dr Sampath Iyengar, a mineralogist in San Diego, California. Clay minerals in the samples were analysed using a technique called x-ray powder diffraction (XRD). X-rays are beamed into the sample at various angles, and the way they deflect provides information about how the atoms are arranged, and the kind of mineral it is. Imagine a marble represents an atom in the mineral being examined. If you throw a handful of them on the ground, they will form a random pattern. If instead you line them up in rows, that would indicate an 'increase in crystallinity'; something has made them ordered, an as-yet-unexplained energy. This is what had happened to the surface soil from inside the crop circle. Nothing like this had ever been seen in surface soil. 'This would normally only be found in geologic sediments exposed to low temperatures and pressures over millions of years,' says Iyengar. 'In the laboratory, temperatures in the range of 600 to 800C are usually required to achieve such crystal growth. There is no way we could explain these results. It's some kind of energy, an unknown force, that's causing this.' Talbott, excited by the results, needed the report peer-reviewed by an authority. She decided to start at the top and went to Hanover, New Hampshire, where she banged on the door of Dr Robert C Reynolds Jr of Dartmouth College. A winner of the Roebling medal for lifelong achievement in mineralogy, Reynolds is an expert in x- ray diffraction. He asked for samples to be sent to his laboratory, and performed his own experiments. The results were the same. In a letter to Talbott, he said: '... I am convinced that the sample preparation methods and the x-ray analytical procedures used were consistent with sound, standard methods of analysis. But this brings up the question of the meaning of their results. 'Temperatures of 600 to 800 degrees Celsius are required in the laboratory for such growth and these conditions would have incinerated any plant material present. In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation...' For the crop- circle world, the involvement of such a distinguished expert in the subject is a great victory. It is the first time a scientist of his standing has taken an interest in the phenomenon. Where does the intense heat come from? Some witnesses claim to have seen small balls of light and heard trilling noises in the fields just before a circle has appeared, but whether this is related has yet to be proven. 'It is possible we are observing the effects of a new or as yet unrecognised energy source,' says Talbott in the BLT report. One of the biggest contributions to the scientific study of crop circles has come from the Michigan biophysicist W C Levengood, who began investigating plants taken from circles in 1990. The most curious anomalies he has studied are pinhead-sized holes in plant nodes, the fibrous 'knuckle-like' protuberances found along the stem. He calls these holes 'expulsion cavities'. Levengood believes moisture inside the stems is heated rapidly and turns to steam, in some places stretching the plant fibre, and in others blowing a hole in the stem. 'It seems to be a powerful microwave energy that is causing this; it heats from the inside out. The interesting thing is, these holes occur in a matter of microseconds.' The youngest, and most elastic, tissue in the plant stems is at the top, and it is here that he has consistently observed elongated nodes - stretched sometimes to double their normal length. Lower down, where the tissue is more fibrous and less elastic, expulsion cavities are regularly seen. These effects have never been found in control samples. Levengood also found changes to the seeds and germination capability of plants within the circles. When circles occur in mature plants with fully formed seeds, the seeds often grow up to five times faster than control seeds, and the seedlings can tolerate lack of water and light for a considerable time without apparent harm. While investigating the crop-circle seeds at his Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory in Grass Lake, Michigan, Levengood discovered a way of using a process he calls molecular impulse response (MIR). 'When I exposed the seeds to the MIR energy, I got the same effect as in the crop formation. We can produce seeds that grow a lot faster.' Along with his colleague John Burke, he patented the formula in 1998. Is the agricultural industry interested? 'Oh yes. We hope the grain will be ready next year. There are several companies doing big field trials at the moment.' This summer, field researchers found expulsion cavities inside a formation resembling a celtic knot in Avebury Trusloe, Wiltshire. The formation, reported on June 2 in a barley field, was examined by the former government scientist Rodney Ashby, who began investigating crop circles six years ago. 'The stretched nodes and expulsion cavities in this formation are very interesting,' he says. 'This occurred only on the stems that were flattened to create the formation. I always look for the most logical explanation, but in cases like this there just doesn't seem to be one.' From the edge of the field in the waist-high barley, it is impossible to see the downed crop. The only extraordinary features seem to be the ancient Adam and Eve stones in the next field. Scholars believe they marked the beginning of an avenue of stones leading to the stone circle around Avebury. A few hundred yards inside the field, the crop suddenly flattens in swirling patterns. Daniel Lobb, a field researcher, picks up a handful of barley stalks. Sure enough, there are tiny holes and stretched nodes that are double the length of the plants outside the circle. Next morning at the Silent Circle, a cafe in Cherhill, the hub of crop-circle information, 15 people are watching a video of the latest circle. A map on the wall covered with pins is quickly updated with the position of the most recent formation. The cafe walls are covered with aerial photographs of the 70 circles reported so far in the UK this year, and posters by the former architect and professor of design Michael Glickman, who draws the geometry of the formations. 'Let's go,' cries Glickman. It's like a call to the hunt, and everyone piles into their cars. In the lead is Glickman, followed by the Croatian documentary maker Nikola Duper, then three Italian women, a Dutch couple who have come to Wiltshire for the past 10 years to see the circles, and us. The convoy snakes along narrow roads past thatched cottages in tiny villages. Everyone is waving and chatting excitedly on their mobiles about what the shape could be. As we pull up by the field, we see people on stepladders holding cameras attached to long poles, trying to get an aerial shot. A helicopter circles overhead and the 'croppies', as they are known, pull out cameras and notebooks. Next day, when the aerial pictures are put up in the cafe, there is concern that it may be man-made. 'We're under attack,' says Glickman as he sips his coffee dejectedly. 'It's a waste of researchers' time and money to be polluting the fields with these second-rate man-made circles when there's a real phenomenon needing more studies.' Interest in the circles has intensified this year. Signs opened in the US on August 2 and took more than $60m in its first three days, sending it straight to No 1 at the US box office. The British drama A Place to Stay, set in the crop circles of Wiltshire, also looks set to pique public interest. Freddy Silva, the British author of the recent book Secrets in the Fields, which sold 10,000 copies in the US in its first week, is looking over a formation at the Gallops, near Beckhampton, an impressive shape with 76 radiating spokes. A deer leaps to the centre and stays for a few moments before running out. 'Whatever Hollywood comes up with about the theories behind the crop circles, it will never be as intriguing and mysterious as the real thing,' says Silva. LESLIE KEAN: ORIGIN OF CROP CIRCLES BAFFLES SCIENTISTS 09/16/2002 SAN FRANCISCO SINCE THE RECENT release of the movie Signs, crop circles have been thrust into the limelight. Such major publications as Scientific American and U.S. News and World Report have echoed the common belief that all crop circles are made by stealthy humans flattening plants with boards. This assumption would be fair enough if we had no information suggesting otherwise. However, intriguing data published in peer-reviewed scientific journals clearly establishes that some of these geometric designs, found in dozens of countries, are not made by "pranks with planks." In fact, a study about to be published by a team of scientists and funded by Laurance Rockefeller concludes "it is possible that we are observing the effects of a new or as yet undiscovered energy source." In the early 1990s, biophysicist William C. Levengood, of the Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory, in Michigan, examined plants and soils from 250 crop formations, randomly selected from seven countries. Samples and controls were provided by the Massachusetts-based BLT Research Team, directed by Nancy Talbott. Levengood, who has published over 50 papers in scientific journals, documented numerous changes in the plants from the formations. Most dramatic were grossly elongated plant nodes (the "knuckles" along the stem) and "expulsion cavities" -- holes literally blown open at the nodes -- caused by the heating of internal moisture from exposure to intense bursts of radiation. The steam inside the stems escaped by either stretching the nodes or, in less elastic tissue, exploding out like a potato bursting open in a microwave oven. Seeds taken from the plants and germinated in the lab showed significant alterations in growth, as compared with controls. Effects varied from an inability to develop seeds to a massive increase in growth rate -- depending on the species, the age of the plants when the circle was created and the intensity of the energy system involved. These anomalies were also found in tufts of standing plants inside crop circles -- clearly not a result of mechanical flattening -- and in patches of randomly downed crops found near the geometric designs. These facts suggested some kind of natural, but unknown, force at work. Published in Physiologia Plantarum (1994), the international journal of the European Societies of Plant Physiology, Levengood's data showed that "plants from crop circles display anatomical alterations which cannot be explained by assuming the formations are hoaxes." He defined a "genuine" formation as one "produced by external energy forces independent of human influence." A strange brown "glaze" covering plants within a British formation was the subject of Levengood and John A. Burke's 1995 paper in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. The material was a pure iron that had been embedded in the plants while the iron was still molten. Tiny iron spheres were also found in the soil. In 1999, British investigator Ronald Ashby examined the glaze through optical and scanning electron microscopes. He determined that intense heat had been involved -- iron melts at about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit -- administered in millisecond bursts. "After exhaustive inquiry, there is no mundane explanation for the glaze" he concluded. In another paper for Physiologia Plantarum (1999), Levengood and Talbott suggested that the energy causing crop circles could be an atmospheric plasma vortex -- multiple interacting electrified air masses that emit microwaves as they spiral around the earth's magnetic-field lines. Some formations, however, contain cubes and straight lines. Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics, says that such "highly organized, intelligent patterns are not something that could be created by a force of nature." But Haisch points out that since not all formations are tested, it is unknown how many are genuine. Nor is it likely that such complex designs could evolve so quickly in nature. "Natural phenomena make mountain ranges and form continents -- they don't learn geometry in ten years," says Haisch, who is the science editor for the Astrophysical Journal. In 1999, philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller made possible the most definitive -- and most revealing -- study to date. The BLT Research Team collected hundreds of plant and soil samples from a seven-circle barley formation in Edmonton, Canada. The plants had both elongated nodes and expulsion cavities, and the soils contained the peculiar iron spheres, indicating a genuine formation. The controls showed none of these changes. Mineralogist Sampath Iyengar, of the Technology of Materials Laboratory, in California, examined specific heat-sensitive clay minerals in these soils, using X-ray diffraction and a scanning electron microscope. He discovered an increase in the degree of crystallinity (the ordering of atoms) in the circle minerals, which statistician Ravi Raghavan determined was statistically significant at the 95 percent level of confidence. "I was shocked," says Iyengar, a 30-year specialist in clay mineralogy. "These changes are normally found in sediments buried for thousands and thousands of years under rocks, affected by heat and pressure, and not in surface soils." Also astounding was the direct correlation between the node- length increases in the plants and the increased crystallization in the soil minerals -- indicating a common energy source for both effects. Yet the scientists could not explain how this would be possible. The temperature required to alter soil crystallinity would be between 1,500 and 1,800 degrees F. This would destroy the plants. Understanding the possible ramifications of these findings, Talbott sought the expertise of an emeritus professor of geology and mineralogy at Dartmouth College, Robert C. Reynolds Jr., who is former president of the Clay Minerals Society. He is regarded by his colleagues as the "best-known expert in the world" on X- ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals. Reynolds determined that the BLT Team's data had been "obtained by competent personnel, using current equipment." The intense heat required for the observed changes in crystallinity "would have incinerated any plant material present," he confirms in a statement for the Rockefeller report. "In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation." Meteorologist James W. Deardorff, professor emeritus at the College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences at Oregon State University, and previously a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, states in a 2001 Physiologia Plantarum commentary that the variety, complexity and artistry of crop circles "represent the work of intelligence," and not a plasma vortex. "That is why the hoax hypothesis has been popularly advocated," he says. However, he points out, the anomalous properties in plant stems thoroughly documented by Levengood and Talbott could not possibly have been implemented by hoaxers. Deardorff describes one 1986 British formation in which upper and lower layers of crop were intricately swirled and bent perpendicular to each other, in a fashion that "defies any explanation." "People don't want to face up to this, and scientists have to deal with the ridicule factor," he said in a recent interview. Adding to the puzzle, professional filmmakers have documented bizarre daytime "balls of light" at crop-circle sites. Light phenomena were observed by multiple witnesses at the site of the Canadian circle so meticulously examined under the Rockefeller grant. Eltjo Hasselhoff, a Dutch experimental physicist, has taken on the study of what he describes as "bright, fluorescent flying light objects,sized somewhere between an egg and a football." Scientists face real and serious questions in confronting this mystery. Could this be secret laser technology beamed down from satellites? Is it a natural phenomenon? Is there a consciousness or intelligence directing an energy form yet unknown to us? "To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing," says astrophysicist Haisch. "To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it . . . is another. That is not science." It's not good journalism, either. Leslie Kean is an investigative reporter and producer with Pacifica Radio based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She can be reached at lkean@ix.netcom.net ____________________________ CCCRN News is the e-news service of the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, providing e-mail updates with the latest news and reports on the crop circle phenomenon in Canada, as well as other information on CCCRN-related projects and events, sent free to your e-mail. To subscribe, send an e-mail with Subscribe CCCRN News in the subject line to: cccrnnews@look.ca The Canadian Crop Circle Research Network is a non-profit research organization which has been investigating and documenting the crop circle phenomenon and other possibly related phenomena in Canada since 1995, creating a liason between researchers, farmers, the public, the media and scientists in trying to solve this ongoing enigma. Main Office 202 - 325 East 14th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5T 2M9 Canada Tel / Fax: 604.731.8522 Cell: 604.727.1454 E-Mail: psa@look.ca Web: http://www.geocities.com/cropcirclecanada =A9 Canadian Crop Circle Research Network, 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:33:43 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:24:57 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Gates >From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There <snip> Steve Jones wrote: >Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person >declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. >They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that >assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory >proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an >un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course >silly and anti-scientific. The problem is we are loaded with pet theories that people advocate as personal and absolute truth never to be doubted or atleast promote them to absolute death, never revealing any doubts that the promoter might have. A few notable theories would include the tale about 47 races of ET visiting earth. Or such notable tales and stories such as so called insiders were telling Hoagland that ET was going to land on a mountain top in Arizona in Dec 2000. Then rather then say that his alleged informants/insiders were full of absolute crap, we hear rationalizations about how some invisible type event actually took place etc etc. Look at Hoagland's latest theory. We have a picture "allegedly" downloaded from an ASU web server. It hasn't been seen before or since on that machine. One of the alleged participants denied having anything to do with it. The picture is manipulated in the name of clarity, then passed to Hoagland, who allegedly manipulated it himself, then promptly went public and vomited the story all over. Now this picture is being hyped, promoted, and pumped as fact. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:44:53 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:26:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Gates >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm > [Actually, neither was I - Ed 'Wang' sussed me and Glenn out > fair & square. That must be why the C-12 cheques stopped > coming. We were hung out to dry - just like ACC's 'amazing' > Alien Trans-computer thingy --ebk] >Obviously no one really took the time to investigate any of the >cases. No one bother to notice that John Ford was committed and >other researchers and people involved in the incident are >missing. (as said by Mike Christol - Brian Levine) Mike Christol >knew the truth and it is unfortunate he would back pedal on a >great deal of evidence and facts that he himself gave to me. JB apparently isn't the sharpest pencil in the box nor is he very knowledgeable about Wang, ACC et all. As to EBK, I can just see it now. When he claimed to be up at his cabin, he is really a secret agent like James Bond. Can't you just see it now as EBK drinking his Martini - shaken not stired - and a load of beautiful UFO chicks are hanging around.... He says something along the lines of "the name is Knapp, Errol B..." Ah the secret life of EBK....gee, how would it be :) Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:53:39 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:29:42 -0400 Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >analyzing Moore's model. Bravo on an excellent web site. Gee, the usually loud, blow hard skeptics are strangely silent..... :) Bottom line is to have Roswell/mogel in perspective you have at the very, very best a theory that is 17 miles short and from what you have uncovered a theory that was bogus and hodge podged together to come up with a set of facts. My guess is your information will get little or now attention in the Skeptical Inquirer, nor will the usually host of mogelites and supporters be offering anything. Somehow that is not a big surprise... Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:54:52 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:30:46 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Hatch >From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >>To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:17:39 -0700 >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:48:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:55:57 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There [snip] >>>I am glad Don qualified his reply with "I think". Biological >>>evolution is in fact nothing more than the current religious >>>myth which is not supported by scientific facts. Regretably, >>>students in our biology classes here are taught these beliefs >>>masquerading as science when in fact, it does not even satisfy >>>the criteria to be scientific (evolution cannot be observed, >>>cannot be measured, etc.). What is worse, students are not >>>allowed to question these beliefs or propose other explanations >>>without the risk of failing the course. Shouldn't schools be >>>places where academic freedom of thought can take place where >>>new ideas can be proposed and then challenged and put to the >>>test rather than be disallowed from the start? >>>It is interesting to note that some of my colleagues use their >>>belief in evolution to dismiss reported accounts of human >>>looking E.T.s. They reason that if life on Earth were to start >>>all over again, after another 5 billion years or so of >>>evolution, we would not look anything like what we do now. In >>>fact, creatures living on planets in other solar systems with >>>similar anatomies to our own, would be compelling evidence for >>>a creator God than it would be for evolution! >>>As for the age of the Earth and the universe being closer to >>>10,000 years old rather than 10,000,000,000 years old, >>>incredible as it sounds, there is scientific evidence to support >>>this. But many people like you (and I) are too stubborn to even >>>consider this evidence preferring to wallow in our ignorance. >>>One reason why after half a century ufology has not come closer >>>to the truth behind UFOs could be the result of this >>>stubborness. [ -NB] [snip] >- - - >>Uh Nick? >>Unless I badly misread your paragraphs above, I take it you >>favor creationism over Darwinian evolution for the origin of the >>species. >>Is that correct? [-LH] - - - - >This appears to be looking for an irrelevant notion (what are >Nick's current personal beliefs about where humans came from) >which can then be employed as an excuse to not consider the >point made by Nick (un-scientific beliefs are frequently adopted >as Absolute Truth by fearful dogmatists disguised as 'experts'). >I suspect that someone has an itchy trigger-finger on the >ridicule button. > >Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person >declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. >They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that >assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory >proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an >un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course >silly and anti-scientific. > >--- Steve Jones Uh, Steve? I had to read your 2 paragraphs above 2 or 3 times just to figure out what you were driving at. I can assure you, I was not trying some sneaky ploy to discredit the notion that 'experts' cannot be overly dogmatic, or just plain wrong. Of course they can. My question to Nick was intended only to clarify in simple terms, his apparent belief in special creation over Darwinian evolution. My question should be taken at face value, as it was intended. The answers to such questions (should I ever get them) help me to understand and evaluate other things the same people write. That in turn, helps me tidy up my old bulging email files. - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 38 From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:52:47 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:33:09 -0400 Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 38 Posted on behalf of Joseph Trainor. <Masinaigan@aol.com> ========================== UFO ROUNDUP Volume 7, Number 38 September 17, 2002 Editor: Joseph Trainor WHO KILLED TODD SEES? A UFO MYSTERY A mysterious homicide in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) north of the state capital, Harrisburg, has captured the attention of local residents, state police and the FBI. The incident took place on Montour Ridge, just north of Northampton, Pa. (population 3,741) on Friday, August 2, 2002. According to Peter B. Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center, "Todd Sees lived at the foot of Montour Ridge, a mountain stretching over 20 miles (32 kilometers) east. Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for pre-(hunting)season deer. He told his wife he would be home by noon. He rode his 4-wheeler (all-terrain vehicle or ATV--J.T.) up the powerline (pathway) behind his home at a little after five in the morning" on August 2, 2002. "Noon came and no Todd. His wife and children became concerned. At 2 p.m., a search party was organized and local police, state police, paramedics and 200 volunteers helped search for Todd Sees." "The 4-wheeler was found on top of the mountain near a powerline. Tracking dogs could find nothing to go on (no scent--J.T.) around the 4-wheeler. The search went on for two days and over six miles of (Montour) mountain were covered from top to bottom. A pond a few hundred yards from the house was even searched by skin divers just so they overlooked nothing." "Then, on the evening of the second day (August 3, 2002), something white was spotted in a large brushy area 25 feet (7 meters) from the pond. Police and rescue workers spent twenty minutes cutting and hackng brush and small trees so they could reach what looked like a body. It was Todd Sees. He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated, not bloated. He had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain, he was fully dressed--boots, camo (camoflauge) vest, hat, socks, pants." (Editor's Note: Mystery Number One--why was the victim's body emaciated? A mere 48 hours after death, and just after rigor mortis had subsided, the blood should have pooled in the portions of the body closest to the ground, creating a bloated appearance. What happened to the blood?) "The FBI showed up within 30 minutes (of Todd's discovery--P.D.) They took charge. They would not let his wife look at her dead husband, no matter how much she tried." The FBI also reportedly questioned numerous people in the Montour Ridge area, mostly dairy farmers. "Three farmers on one farm said they saw 'a large real bright object' just above the powerline at the time of Todd's disappearance. The UFO was silent. It did not move for about 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up...and suddenly stopped. A bright light shined down and something was pulled up into the light. The UFO then went straight up, hesitated again, then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight." Last week, "a boot was found a mile from the 4- wheeler at the top of a tree." (Editor's Comment: Mystery Number Two--how did Todd's boot wind up in the treetops?) "Now the body is in Allentown, Pa. and from there it is going to Fort Indiantown Gap, Pa.," the report added. (Editor's Comment: Fort Indiantown Gap is an operating base for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). United Nations troops have also trained there in recent years. Mystery Number Three!) The Northampton, Pa. investigating officer told Peter Davenport that "the decedent's remains had been returned to the family, contrary to claims made by some regarding this case" and that "a final report will be issued in September." (Many thanks to Peter B. Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington for this report.) MORE WEIRD CREATURES APPEAR IN INDIA In addition to Muhnochwa (Hindi for Face Scorcher-- J.T.), the strange creature that has terrified the states of Uttar Pradesh and Uttranchal in recent weeks, northern India has been plagued by other weird entities. In August 2002, young women were attacked by "the so-called 'crawling ghost' of Biswan in the Sitapur district" of Uttar Pradesh state. "Twenty complaints had been logged by early August." "I heard from my friend Krishnari Bai in India," Ayesha al-Khatabi, UFO Roundup's Middle East correspondent reported. "She said a haivan (Hindi for demon--J.T.) has been pinching the bottoms of women walking through the maidan (main plaza) of Biswan. A girl is walking with her friends, and then she feels a hand clutching her buttock, squeezing it like an old- fashioned automobile horn. Krishnari says the women have taken to wearing 'armored saris (dresses).' They put padding around their posteriors. If I ever visit Uttar Pradesh, I'm leaving my Gitano jeans home!" "'The (Biswan) incidents are for real,' announced Sub-Divisional Magistrate Akhilesh Singh." (Editor's Comment: I can see this entity would be a real hoot on the Via Veneto in Rome.) "Back in February" of 2002, "residents of slums along the Sabarmati River near Ahmadabad in northwestern India (Gujarat state--J.T.) reported many sightings of a 'monkey-man' aged between 25 and 30 years, dark-skinned with curly hair, dressed in black and wearing a mask." "'I saw him from the back,' said a young witness called Abdul Hamid. 'He had a sword in his hand, and when I raised an alarm, he jumped to another roof and then on to a tree.'" "Two youths, Mehboob and Farooq, chased the stranger along a river bed, but he seemed to disappear into thin air. The youths then began 'behaving abnormally,' and were sprinkled with holy water. Mohammed Salim said that on more than six occasions the monkey-man had disappeared after being chased." "An old man called Pyaare Khan said that 40 years ago a haivan appeared every time there was a funeral in the Shahpur area; and two decades ago (1980s) there was a magician who moved around Nehru Bridge with a skull in his hand." "'I think this is a reincarnation of one of those two evil spirits,' he said." (See Fortean Times No. 163 for November 2002, "Monster Mania," page 7. Also The Indan Express for February 22, 2002. Many thanks to Bob Rickard, Paul Sieveking and Ayesha al-Khatabi for these reports. For more on Muhnochwa, see UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 34 for August 20, 2002, "Seven killed by UFO in northern India," page 1; UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 35 for August 27, 2002, "Indian intelligence sets a trap for roving alien," page 1; and UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 37 for September 10, 2002, "Muhnochwa strikes again in India," page 1.) EIGHT UFOs SEEN BY POLICE IN SAMPACHO, ARGENTINA "Various police officers based in villages south of Rio Cuarto," in Argentina's Cordoba province, "declared that they have witnessed numerous circular and luminous objects performing wobbly maneuvers or forming a horizontal line in the night sky for several minutes. The objects were seen at a great distance from the observing police officers." "Reports have been received from the police outpost in Conechingones, with the object appearing and hovering over tall hills such as El Morro Suco, Cerro Divisadero, Cerro Sampacho and others in the southern part of Cordoba province." "Police on patrol in the region last saw the phenomenon last Friday," September 6, 2002, "at around 10 p.m. Two of the officers were in the town of Sampacho when they received an alert on their car radio. Arriving at the scene, they spotted the red glow of a strange circular object. There were seven or eight UFOs over the Cerro Sampacho (hill), and they appeared to be hovering at an altitude of 1,500 meters (5,000 feet). There was no audible sound coming from any of the objects. They remained in view for several minutes." (Muchas gracias a Mario Luis Bracamonte del Servicio Informativo Ovnilogico de Argentina para esas noticias.) THE RETURN OF VIRGINIA'S LYNCH MOUNTAIN MYSTERY On Thursday, September 5, 2002, "two doctor friends visited the witness" at his home in the Appalachian Mountains of Virginia, "bringing their telescopes to do some deep-sky observing." "'One of my friends told us to look at a 'jet' as one continued to go over at 6 p.m.,'" the witness told the UFO newsletter Filer's Files. "'But we knew it was no jet. It was a long black cylinder with a smaller cylinder on each side of it, also black. One red light was in the center of the largest cylinder. There was no sound at all from the craft.'" "'Now comes the wild part--an eerie green glow started at the point of the red light, then haloed the entire craft, and then, right in front of the three of us, the damn thing vanished! It was still daylight and a clear day, no clouds at all! I am no flake. I own a very successful outdoor billboard company." The billboard owner's sighting is just the latest wrinkle in the ongoing "Lynch Mountain Mystery," which began early in 2001. January 2001 saw a flurry of intense UFO activity on Lynch Mountain, which is located on the state line about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Pikeville, Kentucky and 14 miles (23 kilometers) west of Appalachia, Virginia. At the time, local resident Chris Light reported that people had seen "UFOs going from west to east and hovering over Lynch Mountain. Strange and bright white lights. They all appear to be egg-shaped. You see white jeeps (Humvees) around the area all the time." Lynch Mountain has a strange past dating back to colonial times. "Strange booming noises" were heard at the mountain's Pound Gap by early pioneers in the 1790s. The mountain was also sacred to the Ontouagannha and Ani- Yupuya indigenous peoples (also known as Shawnee and Cherokee Indians--J.T.). In 1917, during World War I, the USA's federal government purchased 42,000 acres at the top of Lynch Mountain from the U.S. Coal and Coke Co. as "a strategic coal reserve." The UFO sightings and "sky booms" have fueled speculation that there is an underground alien base at Lynch Mountain, similar to the one reputed to exist at Dulce, New Mexico. Others claim that the mountain contains an underground scientific laboratory devoted to high-energy "Tesla research" or a subterranean facility operated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). (See Filer's Files #37 for September 11, 2002. Many thanks to George A. Filer for allowing UFO Roundup to reproduce the Lynch Mountain article. For more on Lynch Mountain, see UFO Roundup, volume 6, number 1 for January 4, 2001, "UFO mystery at Lynch Mountain in Kentucky," page 4, and UFO Roundup, volume 6, number 3 for January 18, 2001, "Lynch Mountain--the mystery deepens," page 2.) (Editor's Comment: Considering the "green glow" that spread around the cylinder-shaped UFO, the "Tesla research" angle appears to have some merit. In the notorious "Philadelphia Experiment" of 1943, the U.S. Navy attempted to use "Tesla magnetic coils" to make a destroyer-escort, the USS Eldridge, invisible. When the generators were switched on, a strange green glow surrounded the ship, and it vanished. Within seconds, the Eldridge suddenly appeared in the harbor of Norfolk, Virginia, then disappeared again only to reappear once more in Philadelphia. Is Lynch Mountain a secret government laboratory where the yoyo teleportation "Philadelphia Experiment" is being perfected?) MORE UFOs SEEN IN WISCONSIN On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 10:55 p.m., Gary E. reported, "It was a very clear night, and I went out to my backyard patio" in Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin (population 16,136) "to let the dog out. I noticed how clear the night sky was and, after a few minutes, I saw what I thought was a triangular group of about three stars in the north. They were fairly bright compared to the others around them." Pleasant Prairie, Wis. is on the east bank of the Des Plaines River about three miles (5 kilometers) west of Kenosha, Wis. and 40 miles (64 kilometers) north of Chicago, Illinois. Gary continued, "To my surprise, I noticed that all three stars were moving--together! At first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and looked away. I looked again and realized that they were in fact moving. The three 'stars' or lights maintained their exact distance and relationship to each other as they moved." "The shape was a thin pointed triangle. As far as its size, holding my arm straight out, the object looked like it measured about an inch (2.5 centimeters) long and a half-inch (1.25 centimeters) wide. It moved slowly through the sky in a southeast direction, with a single light in front and two lights" at the rear. "All three lights were white and looked like bright stars. There was nothing visible between them, or it (the UFO) may just have been black. I ran into the house and told my wife to come outside. She did. By this time, about five minutes after I first saw it, the triangle shape had turned toward the southeast (toward the Lake Michigan shoreline and Chicago!--J.T.) and was nearly straight up in the sky. My wife also saw it and, within 30 seconds or so, we lost sight of the triangle as it faded, and the lights went out. We were stunned!" On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 10:25 p.m., James B. "saw three objects at a very high altitude" over his home in Blue River, Wis., located on County Road M in Crawford County, Wis. 50 miles (80 kilometers) west of Madison, the state capital. "They looked like satellites or stars as far as brightness goes," James reported, "They were in a V formation. I do not believe they were aircraft because there were no flashing (navigation) lights, and their altitude was too high. My wife also saw them. Speed was constant until they were lost from sight." (Many thanks to John Hoppe of UFO Wisconsin for these reports.) COUPLE SPOTS A UFO IN RODNEY, ONTARIO On Saturday, September 7, 2002, a couple in Rodney, Ontario, Canada (population 1,087) spotted three UFOs while outdoors. The female witness reported, "Last night my boyfriend and I went outside to see if we could determine if there was a group of satellites which flew by the previous night," Friday, September 6, 2002. "Again we saw three objects moving across the sky from a northerly to a southeasterly direction, but this time they passed by at 10:08 p.m. instead of 10:50 p.m. Would this rule out satellites?" "They appeared to be flying above airplane altitude and following a similar path as some satellites. The objects were flying in a triangular formation. It was like three stars just coming out of nowhere and then just fading out after three or four minutes. They just appear, move and then disappear. Both incidents we were facing east and tracked them from a 10 o'clock position to a 2 o'clock position before they faded. Their image would be the same as viewing the stars in the sky, or the size of a pinhead, due to the altitude at which they were flying. Colour would be a steady, non-blinking white light." Rodney, Ont. is on Highway 19, just north of Lake Erie, located about 40 miles (64 kilometers) southwest of London in southern Ontario. (Many thanks to Canadian ufologist Brian Vike for this report.) LARGE UFO SEEN BY DOZENS OVER TIJUANA, MEXICO "Dozens of residents of the Avenida Porticos in barrio San Antonio de los Buenos (neighborhood) in Tijuana," Baja California, Mexico "claim having seen a UFO in the early morning hours of (Sunday) September 1, 2002. It had a diameter of approximately 50 meters (165 feet) and it remained suspended over the area at low altitude, even while covered by cloud." "Our sources, who spoke to us via telephone at the newsroom, said that the time was approximately 2:15 a.m. when they noticed a powerful light in the sky. Those who were first in detecting it looked to the sky to see what this large object might prove to be, and they say it was not a helicopter." "They state that they woke up other neighbors and friends, since they were afraid that they were suffering from a strange collective hallucination, having been at a party and consumed alcohol earlier." "However, this was not the case, since those who were awakened and roused from their beds and had not consumed liquor saw exactly the same thing: a highly luminous object. What is most curious, according to our sources, is that the object in question was noiseless, even when it rose higher into the air, before vanishing from sight." "They do not know if others saw this strange flying object, but from the moment that the entire community of this section of Tijuana saw the object, they have not dismissed the possibility of having seen a UFO." (See the Mexican newspaper Gran Diario Regional El Mexicano for September 7, 2002, "UFO seen over Tijuana." Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y David Triay Lucatero para eso articulo de diario.) TRIANGULAR UFO SIGHTED IN MESQUITE, NEW MEXICO On Monday, September 9, 2002, at around 5 p.m., R.C. Rodriguez, 42, "was sitting outside in my backyard, enjoying a nice summer day," he reported, when he "noticed something black in color in the sky." Looking closer, he added, "I saw a silver-grayish object floating in the air about 200 yards (180 meters) from me and about three stories (30 feet or 9 meters) high in the air." "It began to move forward towards me at a very slow pace. I would say maybe 25 to 30 miles per hour (40 to 48 kilometers per hour). I just sat there and looked at this aircraft that I have never seen before. I noticed it had no windows and it made no sound. It was a triangular shape with the point facing back and the larger part in the front, I guess." "It then floated towards me but kept the height and went right over my head and home. I looked up at it, and I could see the bottom. I did not see any nuts, bolts or plates to it. It was solid." "All I heard when it passed over was a 'whoooosh' sound like air hitting the front of the aircraft. I immediately looked at the ground and trees, and there was no movement, sound or pulsion or force hitting the dirt. Or the movement of trees from the aircraft flying so low. I must have sat there for quite some time and realized what I had seen." "I was shaken up for a good while since I was in the military for 20 years and am familiar with aircraft and the force it takes to lift an aircraft and stay aloft. This object floated and had no sound whatsoever. I am convinced they are out there, and I have talked to friends within this small town (Mesquite, N.M.), and they told me that they see them all the time." Mesquite, N.M. is off Interstate Highway I-25 just south of Las Cruces and is about 20 miles (32 kilometers) north of El Paso, Texas. (Email Report) FIVE UFOs SEEN BY FAMILY IN CAPE CORAL, FLORIDA On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 2 a.m., James G. reported, "Approaching from the north" in Cape Coral, Florida (population 102,286) "were five objects, three on the right and two on the left. Then these five elongated capsules just flew by. No noise. No deviation (in their flight path--J.T.); just straight south. The light cloud cover had a shadowy effect on their luminous glow." The UFOs, he added, "had a glow like a shooting star" and "had a cylinder shape like an Ibuprofen (capsule). They flew above the cloud cover, which was light. I saw what I saw, and it is really freaking me out." Cape Coral is on Florida's Gulf coast, just southwest of Fort Myers and approximately 155 miles (248 kilometers) west of Miami. (Email Form Report) ROUND GREEN UFO SEEN IN WESTERN MISSOURI On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 8:30 p.m., Doug L. reported, "a witness friend of mine" was driving south on Route 33 between Holt, Missouri and Kearney, Missouri (population 5,472) when he saw "a green round glowing object crashed in a (farm) field. It was a green glowing object flying from west to east over the car, and it crashed in a field close to (Interstate) Highway I-35. The grass caught fire. He turned around to look for the object. He said (by then) the fire was gone, and he couldn't find anything. He said it was 200 to 400 feet (60 to 120 meters) above his car and moving very fast." Kearney, Mo. is on Interstate Highway I-35 about 15 miles (25 kilometers) northeast of Kansas City. (Email Form Report) (Editor's Note: Holt. Mo. is the birthplace of American outlaw Jesse James.) CROP CIRCLES APPEAR IN WESTERN CANADA Crop circles appeared last week in two western provinces of Canada. On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, a formation appeared near Weyburn, Saskatchewan (population 9,723), located about 70 miles (112 kilometers) southeast of Regina. It was "a double-ringed circle with an attached short curved pathway or circle in a canary seed crop, approximately 21.5 metres (71 feet) in diameter. Inner ring circle offset from centre. Counterclockwise lay (crop in rings and centre circle--P.A.); clockwise splayed 'bird's nest' around the centre of the small attached circle. Initially discovered by the farmer." On Sunday, September 8, 2002, two crop circle formations appeared in a corn field in Mission, British Columbia (population 30,519), located 35 miles (56 kilometers) in the Fraser Valley east of Vancouver. "The first formation is a large pictogram type pattern approximately 45 metres (149 feet) long, consisting of a large 18-metre (60-foot) circle with an attached 20-metre (66-foot) long L-shaped pathway on one side and a curved 7.4-metre (24-foot) pathway on the opposite side. Mature corn is approximately 9 feet (2.7 metres) tall with one-inch (2.5-centimeter) thick stalks. Some stalks were bent (curved) near the ground with little or no damage." The second formation "was snipped or 'sliced off' just above the ground to just over a foot (0.3 metres) above the ground" and was located "on the other side of the highway in a similar field" with brambles running along the roadway. (Many thanks to Paul Anderson of Canadian Crop Circles Research Network for these reports.) From the UFO Files... 1914: GUARDIAN ANGEL OF THE COLDSTREAM GUARDS Among the paranormal phenomena of the early Twentieth Century are the numerous and strange reports of "the angels of Mons." During the opening weeks of World War I, on August 23, 1914, the Allies were under heavy German attack in western Belgium. General Sir John French, commander of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF), learned that General Lanrezac's Fifth French Army was retreating from the Ardennes back into France. The BEF had no choice but to follow suit and "accept the hazards of a long retreat." "The BEF withdrew skillfully without the loss of one gun, but the troops were puzzled and worried by a retirement that made little sense to them for they thought they were winning." "When the British reached the Mormal Forest...they split into two corps and passed on either side of it, not knowing there was a sheltered road through it that would have afforded cover to at least one corps. It was during part of this movement that" the Coldstream Guards "experienced their astonishing encounter with the Angel of Mons." "When the (BEF) retreat started, the Coldstream Guards were the last to be withdrawn, and in the half- light of a false dawn they became lost and wandered about trying to make contact" with other Allied forces. "When it was obvious they were completely out of touch, they dug in, determined to make another stand with the daylight." "'Wot the 'ell are we retreatin' for?' one Guardsman is said to have demanded." "'How should I know? We're probably goin' to attack 'em in the rear.'" "'I was having a glorious time,' another grumbled, 'Just like knocking down a set of skittles.'" "'Well, it looks like we're in a fine mess 'ere. Nobody seems to know where we are.'" "At that moment, when one of the Guardsmen looked up to make certain his digging (foxhole in the USA--J.T.) lined up with that of the next man, he noticed a warm glow just ahead. For a second he thought someone was moving about with a farm lantern." "'Who's that messin' about out there, carrying a light, the damn fool!?'" "'Some bloody-fool French farmer.'" "'We ain't in France. This is Belgium, so they tell me.'" "'Who knows?...Coo! Look at that!'" "The glowing nimbus moved in closer and the Coldstreamers perceived the dim outline of a female figure. As it became more distinct, they decided they were looking at an angel. It looked exactly like any angel they had ever seen in a regimental chapel: tall, slim and wearing a white flowing gown. She had a gold band around her hair and (Middle) Eastern sandals on her feet, a pair of white wings were folded against her slim back." "'Crikey!' one of the Guardsmen gasped, 'What sort of game is this?'" "'She's beckoning to us,' another muttered slowly." "'What's she want?' the first Guardsman inquired tonelessly." "No question about it, the angel was inviting them to follow her. She moved closer to the digging and her signal was more insistent." "No one remembers who first crawled out of the narrow slots, but one by one the Coldstreamers lined up, after hauling out their rifles and entrenching tools, and followed the glowing figure across an open field." "'Did you ever read about anything like this in your Sunday-school papers?' a puzzled Tommy asked over his shoulder." (Editor's Note: Tommy is UK slang for a British soldier, comparable to the terms grunt or G.I. in the USA--J.T.) "'Keep moving, and ask no questions.'" "The angel moved on, her right hand still making that inviting gesture until she came to a half on the upper rim of a sunken road." "The Guardsmen looked down in surprise. 'How did she know the road was here? It wasn't here (before) when we tried to get out of this mess,' one of them said, 'Bloody funny to me.'" "'You're right, chum. I was leading the patrol that went out this way. We was lookin' for a pathway like this, but it wasn't here then,' a young corporal insisted." "'Well, 'ere it is now. Come on.'" "The vision led the way until all of the Coldstreamers reached the end of the sunken road, then she floated up the bank and pointed toward a covering copse (cluster of woods) a dozen yards away. She smiled- -and vanished." "Not questioning this strange visitation, the Guardsmen were gratified to escape and join the other British forces. Within a few days, the story had trickled all along the front, and for a time the Angel of Mons was accepted as a friendly token of the Almighty." "What made the story more puzzling was that no one ever found that sunken road again." Both the Coldstream Guards and the Royal Engineers pored over every map of western Belgium that they could lay hands on, even ancient maps held by the University of Antwerp. But they could not find a map showing the mysterious sunken road revealed by the angel. "Today, no one can explain how the Coldstream Guards escaped at Mons, but they did." (See the book Heroes and Legends of World War I by Arch Whitehouse, Doubleday and Co., Garden City, N.J., 1964, pages 20 to 22. For more on "the angels of Mons," see UFO Roundup, volume 7, number 37 for September 10, 2002, "1914: Angels on the battlefield," page 8.) Well, that's it for this week. Join us next time for more UFO, paranormal and Fortean news from around the planet Earth, brought to you by "the paper that goes home--UFO Roundup." See you then. UFO ROUNDUP: Copyright 2002 by Masinaigan Productions, all rights reserved. Readers may post news items from UFO Roundup on their websites or in news groups provided that they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue in which the item first appeared. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:10:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:35:28 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:45:15 -0400 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >Nonsense Andy, >If the authorities - in this case the military - refused to >release and deliberately withheld details and the reasons for >the accident in the first place, then it's a cover-up. I'm not >claiming any UFO connection here - just a good old fashioned, >military, cover-your-ass for public relations reasons-coverup. No Don, the nonsense is entirely yours. The authorities have always said the fatality was as a result of low flying. They were even saying this when the case was covered by the 30 year rule. Why make up reasons for a cover-up where none exists? Unless, of course, you _want_ there to be a cover up? Happy Trails Andy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:15:25 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:39:06 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:17:06 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Nick wrote: >I was hardly fence-sitting, because I made it clear from the >outset of my involvement with this documentary that any attempt >to link the tragic death of Capt Schaffner with a UFO incident >was entirely spurious. In that case, if you had wished to be entirely honest and to represent this honesty to the viewers and also the pilot's family you would have said to the TV people, and had enshrined in your contract (you _did_ get a contract Nick didn't you?) that: * They only quote you talking about the fact it was an accident This is quite simple to do and if they weren't prepared to agree you could have chosen not to take the fee (you _did_ get a fee Nick, didn't you?) and not appeared. Simple as that. The cynical may otherwise choose to think you were just happy to take the money and have them show you talking about any old tosh - which is exactly what you did. To bring out the hoary old chestnut that aircrew won't speak about UFO sightings because of 'ridicule' is risible. They are queing up to speak to Dave Clarke and I and aren't in the slightest bit concerned about 'ridicule'. So let's put a stop to this silly nonsense now eh? Happy Trails Andy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Filer's Files #38 - 2002 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:44:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:50:28 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #38 - 2002 FILER'S FILES #38 - 2002, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Director Mutual UFO Network Eastern September 18, 2002, Majorstar@aol.com. Webmaster: Chuck Warren - My new website is at http//:www.filersfiles-ufo.com. UFO SIGHTINGS CONTINUE HIGH AROUND THE WORLD: The purpose of these files is to report the UFO eyewitness and photo/video evidence that occurs on a daily basis. Features this week are: Astronaut Gordon Cooper says ancient Olmecs had celestial navigation formulas, Space junk in 50 day Earth orbit, After feeling the effects of Hurricane Hanna I have some thoughts, New York UFOs filmed, Pennsylvania chevron UFO and possible abduction, Georgia weird lights, Michigan zigzagging light, Wisconsin lights, Illinois banner, Nevada flying triangle, California UFO filmed, Canadian sightings continue, English police film UFO, Italy sightings increase, Kazakhstan crop circle and Australia bright blue flash, BLT Research on crop circles. ANCIENT OLMECS HAD CELESTIAL NAVIGATION FORMULAS Astronaut Gordon Cooper in his book "A Leap of Faith" tells the reader his strong views on the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and even the distinct possibility that we have already had contact." His photographic team at Edwards Air Force Base photographed a landing of a disc craft. Astronaut Gordon Cooper in of his book he states, "During my final years with NASA, "I became involved in a different kind of adventure: undersea treasure hunting in Mexico." One day, accompanied by a National Geographic photographer, we landed in a small plane on an island in the Gulf of Mexico; local residents pointed out to them pyramid-shaped mounds, where they found ruins, artifacts and bones. On examination back in Texas, the artifacts were determined to be 5,000 years old! "When we learned of the age of the artifacts," Cooper writes, "we realized that what we'd found had nothing to do with seventeenth-century Spain. I contacted the Mexican government and was put in touch with the head of the Na tional Archaeology Department, Pablo Bush Romero." Together with Mexican archeologists the two went back to the site. After some excavating, Cooper writes, "The age of the ruins was confirmed at 3000 B.C. Compared with other advanced civilizations, relatively little was known about the Olmecs who made large statues of their faces that appear they came from the Black Africa race." Gordon Cooper writes, "Engineers, farmers, artisans, and traders, the Olmecs had a remarkable civilization. But it is still not known where they originated... Among the findings that intrigued me most: that, when translated, turned out to be mathematical formulas used to this day for navigation, and accurate drawings of constellations, some of which would not be officially 'discovered' until the age of modern telescopes. "It was this, rather than his experiences as an astronaut, that triggered Gordon Cooper's "Leap of faith": "This left me wondering: Why have celestial navigation signs if they weren't navigating celestially?" And he asks: "If 'someone' had helped the Olmecs with this knowledge, from whom did they get it?" Thanks t o Gordon Cooper Chapter 11 "A Leap of Faith" UFO MAY BE CIRCLING EARTH Mitch Battros (ECTV) reports, A large object traveling in a 50- day orbit around the Earth is most likely Apollo space junk. See: http://www.earthchangestv.com/secure/0902_2articles/10ufo.htm HURRICANES CAN BE DANGEROUS The remnants of the Hurricane Hanna are causing heavy rains in the Eastern US. I received a call from K. T. Frankovich who reminded me or her horrible experiences during Hurricane Andrew the most destructive natural phenomena ever to strike the US. Thousands of people were killed and property losses were the greatest in history costing billions of dollars as the hurricane cut a path of destruction across Southern Florida. She suffered not only from the hurricane but the complete lack of help from the outside world. Her book, "Where Heavens Meet" should be read, because it outlines how help never came for many of the survivors. Government authorities seemed more interested in keeping secret the devastation than helping victims. Based on her first hand experience south of Miami, she told me, "If your loved ones are in disaster areas, don't trust what your news media tells you. They fail to get the story because they are usually not allowed into the disaster areas."&nbs; p; She said, "It's up to you to make contact and take action to help your loved ones; despite reports that aid is on its way, it frequently never arrives." Thanks to K. T. Frankovich. NEW YORK UFOs FILMED BY CAMERA CREW MANHATTAN -- Rodrigo Fuenzalida, the Director of Chilean MUFON and the National Director of the AION UFO group has obtained a video taken in New York City on September 29, 2001. Chilean cameramen from 'Mega' a private TV Channel was filming the World Trade Center area a few weeks after the tragedy. The cameraman captured two UFOs flying over lower Manhattan near Ground Zero. The UFO appears in the sky, with orange and yellow colors and an aircraft can also be seen passing the UFOs. All three flying objects are in the same general area. The cameraman captures a close up of the aircraft next to the UFO. Shortly, another aircraft flies over the same area, and flies next to the second UFO giving a good perspective and comparison. The Cameraman gave the AION group the video for study. See http://www.aion.cl Thanks to Rodrigo Fuenzalida. ONEONTA -- The witness reports seeing a blinking light in the sky just after 12:35 AM on September 3, 2002. It was traveling east at high altitude and was moving at a moderate pace. The witness states, "I grabbed a pair of binoculars, and I saw that it had four blinking lights that did not blink at the same time. There didn't seem to be a pattern to the blinking. The positions of the lights on the craft formed a diamond shape, with one light on what appeared to be the front. I could not see any shape to it, only the lights when they blinked. It seemed to just vanish and I'm pretty sure I didn't just lose it, it seemed like the lights stopped blinking. When I put down the binoculars I could not see it anymore. PENNSYLVANIA TWO CHEVRON UFOs SPOTTED MEHOOPANY -- I was at work rigging scaffolding which we placing on the roof with a crane on September 9, 2002. I looked up to see the load being placed on the roof when I saw the craft at 9:30 AM, that looked at first like a big piece of paper floating in the sky then it stopped moving and just hovered. It was at the same altitude passenger planes fly over. Next the craft started making really quick movements and stopping. I asked the crane operator to look and he got out of the crane and said, "It was a plane." Then the craft started making really quick movements again. The crane operator then said, "That is no plane!" We watched the craft for another 5 minutes when it made a really big movement horizontally. Just then another craft flew by the original craft and disappeared. The original craft made a real quick circle and followed the other craft out of sight. NORTHUMBERLAND -- A farmer saw an object above Montour Ridge at the power lines, on top of the mountain, it was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hundred feet to the east, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shined to the ground. What was seen next was very unnerving, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly in the light. What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later and it started shuddering, then went west very fast stopped briefly, then went straight up and out of sight. Two days later Todd Sees was found dead not far from Montour Ridge after an extensive search. Peter Davenport writes, "Considerable unsubstantiated information temporarily deleted here. We do so out of consideration for the family until an official report is issued by the police. We emphasize that this report was submitted by an anonymo us source and the case is under investigation. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC GEORGIA HAS MORE WEIRD LIGHTS BYRON -- MUFON's State Director Tom Sheets received a call from 58 year old male resident of Central Georgia who was referred to MUFONGA by the Public Information Officer (PIO) at Warner Robbins AFB who has been very helpful in the past. The witness stated that since September 1, 2002, he and his family had been observing some unusual lights in near space. Just after dark each night, a star-like light would come up from the western horizon, flying until almost overhead, then they go back to the same horizon. The light would sometime grow dim, then brighter. At times, there was a pause in it's path while it made some looping circles, and some slower zigzags for at least an hour+ on each night, ending when the light would return down to the western horizon and dim, then vanish. Both his wife and adult son had also witnessed this activity. While unknown nocturnal lights are numerous, the plethora of recent similar reports tend to indicate things are not 'normal' in our late s ummer skies. Thanks to Tom Sheets and WUFOD. MICHIGAN BRIGHT AMBER LIGHT ZIGZAGS DOWN MT PLEASANT -- A bright amber/white light, at least twice as bright as the brightest star, appeared almost due west of the witness on September 5, 2002, as he drove towards town. It was 45 degrees above the horizon, and fell slowly downward, disappearing at 15 degrees at 11:45 PM. The light's path seemed to gently zigzag downward but it was extremely bright and slow compared to meteors. Later at 12:30 AM, the witness saw a bright flash and turned to see a ball of light passing the upstairs window and lighting up the hallway. The witness says, "My cat quickly ran up the wall next to the window and stared intently at a point seven feet up and growling. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC WISCONSIN WHITE LIGHTS FLASHING WASHINGTON ISLAND -- On September 4, 2002, about 9 PM, large flashing white lights were spotted moving over Lake Michigan. The witness said, "We could not see the shape of the craft, but the lights were very large -- like headlights on a car at close distance." The lighting was at different times, not simultaneously -- with similar size strong white lights that came on together occasionally, centered between the two flashing lights a clear night sky. My husband is a private pilot, and estimates it was 3 miles out at 3000 feet. The lights were 100 times larger than the stars. The lights were reported to Coast Guard. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC ILLINOIS BANNER-LIKE OBJECT SEEN DRIFTING WESTWARD BRADLEY -- The witness was driving and thought he saw a flight of geese in a long line on August 30, 2002. He states, "I realized it looked like a long 'banner' with vertical bars. The banner like object appeared to be slowly undulating and drifting to the west about 7:15 PM against an easterly surface wind. A few minutes later, it was farther west and smaller as if parts had dropped off or disappeared. I did not notice anything falling. There was a strong odor like fertilizer. [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC NEVADA VERY LARGE FLYING TRIANGLE FALLON -- Cosmo reports, "I saw a dark substance that dimly lit a very large craft that flew by at about 1000 feet on September 5, 2002. At first I thought B 52. This craft traveled west down Reno Hwy 50 with no running lights at 11:13 PM, but dimly lit light nodes were seen but they were NOT lit. The nodes were in the shape of the whole triangular craft and 7 to 9 nodes were seen. It flew at 20 mph or faster without noise. I was surprised by this event and said why me? I have hosted a UFO Television talk show for ten years in Portland. I believe this was a true and real triangle craft that was so close and so large! I did not see a leading edge or rear of craft, I just saw a triangle from the side and bottom of the ship. The sky was clear and about 70 degrees. Total event time 8 seconds. I still can't believe what I saw, but it was there. Thanks to Cosmo, Cosmic Connection Television & Radio Show CALIFORNIA FLYING TRIANGLES PHOTOGRAPHED ORANGE COUNTY -- Ed Brooks reports seeing unknown objects on August 30, 2002, from about 9:30 PM until midnight. A very large bright light appeared about 10:00 PM near Los Angeles Airport and hovered for 45 minutes. At 10 minute intervals I would change from binoculars to naked eye and back. I noticed through binoculars that a solid light approx. 1/10 size of this oval object would travel from bottom to top and then be gone. There appeared to be apparatus extruding from top. At midnight the object suddenly became bright orange and disappeared. The next night at 11:15 PM, Ed saw several flying triangles at low altitude with singular light points in front. They seemed to be pivoting. Several of my friends also saw them. These triangles seemed to have a light cloud cover traveling northeast with them. Thanks to Ed Brooks who photographed some images. See photos at: [ http://www.nationalufocenter.com/files/2002/index.php?id=73 ]FF UFO CENTER PHOT OS WASHINGTON UFO DIVES AND PUTS LIGHT ON WITNESSES VULCAN MOUNTAIN -- On August 31, 2002, about 9:00 PM, three of us were on top of Vulcan Mountain after dark with a clear sky. We had been seeing several satellites moving across the sky, when I told my two other buddies to look at the high speed satellite in an extremely high orbit. Suddenly it dove directly at us. It fell or traveled down to less than a thousand feet directly over us. Then a very bright light was aimed at us, and we started to yell,. "Its going to fall on us," as this is what it looked like. After the rays of light hit us it suddenly turned and disappeared up into a higher orbit. Nothing I have ever seen could travel so fast. FERNDALE -- I was watching the Northern Lights on September 3, 2002, with my boyfriend. He was looking at constellations through binoculars when I saw it. At first we were looking at a red flashing light that was moving pretty fast for an airplane at 11 PM. My boyfriend said that through the binoculars you could tell it was an airplane. Then, right where I had first seen the red light there was a bright light in the sky. At first it looked like a spotlight, then I notice it was shaped like a thick boomerang. It was glowing yellowish green, and very bright, I could see it very clearly. I started yelling to my boyfriend," What is that!" He caught a quick look at it through the binoculars, but didn't spot it until right before it disappeared. It was at least 50-100 times larger than a star. Thanks to Peter Davenport [ http://www.ufocenter.com/ ]NUFORC CANADA FLYING TRIANGLE DARTMOUTH, NOVA SCOTIA -- This same series of events has occurred three times at twilight. I was driving into Burnside Industrial park on September 10, 2002, when I looked up and observed a black object that has three white lights in a triangle formation. I looked for the marker lights (e.g. the red flasher on the bottom side of most aircraft) but did not see any on these objects. One time I did notice a faint steady red light in the center of one object. This object was going very slow, and it seemed to make the same FLAT left hand turn. Most aircraft except for helicopters will bank to make a turn. These do not, they make a flat 45 degree angle left hand turn. I have seen this three times always at twilight and it appears to follow the same course. TERRACE, BRITISH COLUMBIA -- On September 14, 2002, Brian Vikes received a report from a couple who watched a large object pass close to their home at 9:03 PM, heading south towards Kitimat. The object was extremely large, and the color of it was as bright white as an arc from an arc welder, but in color, and three to four times as big as the moon. When he first noticed the object, it was still at a distance, but as it grew closer to his location, the object grew larger, and brighter. The object stopped for a couple of seconds, then continued passing close by their property. Vikes says, "I could hear his girlfriend in the background, she was extremely excited and still watching the UFO. MERCIER -- My husband, myself and our two children were driving home from our country place near Huntington on September 15, 2002. I saw what appeared to be really bright stars and asked my husband " Are those airplanes? He said, helicopters. After five minutes the two lights ahead changed position. Around 8 PM, we got closer and what I saw gave me shivers. The object was triangular with lights at all three corners and unlike any aircraft. We saw them for ten minutes as two flew overhead and my husband said, he could see through it. We all saw the distinct low flying triangle shape, larger than a 747. There have been other sightings along the St. Laurence River in Quebec. Thanks to Brian Vike HBCC investigator yogibear@bulkley.net. http://www.geocities.com/hbccufo/home.html UNITED KINGDOM POLICE VIDEO UFO BRIGHTEN -- Helicopter police aircrew are heard to say "This is really strange, I have never seen anything like that!" The moving object appears to look like an elongated white cylinder. At times it has its own light like a glowing flare moving through the sky. I suggest you watch the film at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/have_your_say/news/ufo.shtml. FRANCE DARK DIAMOND-SHAPED UFO PHOTOGRAPHED TENTENIAC -- On September 2, 2002, at precisely 12 noon, Scott Turner spotted a UFO 135 miles west of Paris. Scott reported, "The matte black diamond shaped object was flying at 600 feet at over 200 miles per hour. The object appeared while I was taking a digital photo of a military plane. The object followed the plane out of visual range over farm fields. Thanks to UFO Roundup Vol. 7, # 37, 9/10/02 Editor: Joseph Trainor. ITALY A WEALTH OF UFO NEWS DURING AUGUST As expected, the month of August also saw an increase in UFO news coverage in the Italian mass media, raising the number of published reports up to the mean level of previous years. The number of UFO clippings taken from Italian newspapers and gathered for the Italian Center for UFO Studies (CISU) over the past month have totaled 89, more than double the average number collected during the first half of the year. Of particular note is the alleged UFO filmed on the occasion of the air disaster in the Ukraine and American F-16's scrambled to the flying object detected by radar over Washington and the "monster" attacking people in India. Thanks to Eduardo Russo, Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici KAZAKHSTAN CIRCLE REPORTED ZHITKAYA -- When the owner of one of the gardens located in Zhitkaya, went out in the morning she could not believe her eyes. "All that was left of the spot where a vegetable garden grew was a perfect circle measuring 2 meters in diameter. What was left of her vegetables was stamped into the ground." The woman told police officers that 'aliens' made the circle. They had already been alerted to several UFO sightings the previous day, September 2, 2002. The Kazakh authorities immediately dispatched a team of experts to the Central Asian steppes. Thanks to El Norte of Mexico City for September 4, 2002. Thanks to Scott Corrales AUSTRALIA BRIGHT BLUE FLASH AND LOUD BOOMS ADELAIDE --On September 5, 2002, Astronomers were investigating reports from southern Australia of a bright blue flash and loud booms. One said it probably was a comet, while another suggested it was debris from a space mission. Dozens of people along Fleurieu Peninsula, said they saw the flash about 6 p.m. (0830 GMT) Thursday. The witnesses said the light was followed by a smoke trail and two loud booms that shook the ground. Astronomer Bryan Boyle said it was probably a meteor breaking up, and probably came within 20 miles of hitting the ground. UFO Research Qld, Brisbane, Australia www.briz.net/uforq LESLIE KEAN: ORIGIN OF CROP CIRCLES BAFFLES SCIENTISTS Since the recent release of the movie 'Signs,' crop circles have been thrust into the limelight. Such major publications as Scientific American and U.S. News and World Report have echoed the common belief that all crop circles are made by stealthy humans flattening plants with boards. This assumption would be fair enough if we had no information suggesting otherwise. However, intriguing data published in peer-reviewed scientific journals clearly establishes that some of these geometric designs, found in dozens of countries, are not made by "pranks with planks." In fact, a study about to be published by a team of scientists and funded by Laurance Rockefeller concludes "it is possible that we are observing the effects of a new or as yet undiscovered energy source." In the early 1990s, biophysicist William C. Levengood, of the Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory, in Michigan, examined plants and soils from 250 crop formations, randomly selected from seven countries. Samples and controls were provided by the Massachusetts-based BLT Research Team, directed by Nancy Talbott. Levengood, who has published over 50 papers in scientific journals, documented numerous changes in the plants from the formations. Most dramatic were grossly elongated plant nodes (the "knuckles" along the stem) and "expulsion cavities" - - holes literally blown open at the nodes -- caused by the heating of internal moisture from exposure to intense bursts of radiation. The steam inside the stems escaped by either stretching the nodes or, in less elastic tissue, exploding out like a potato bursting open in a microwave oven. Seeds taken from the plants and germinated in the lab showed significant alterations in growth, as compared with controls. Effects varied from an inability to develop seeds to a massive increase in growth rate -- depending on the species, the age of the plants when the circle was created and the intensity of the energy system involved. These anomalies were also found in tufts of standing plants inside crop circles -- clearly not a result of mechanical flattening -- and in patches of randomly downed crops found near the geometric designs. These facts suggested some kind of natural, but unknown, force at work. Published in Physiologia Plantarum (1994), the international journal of the European Societies of Plant Physiology, Levengood's data showed that "plants from crop circles display anatomical alterations which cannot be explained by assuming the formations are hoaxes." He defined a "genuine" formation as one "produced by external energy forces independent of human influence." A strange brown "glaze" covering plants within a British formation was the subject of Levengood and John A. Burke's 1995 paper in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. The material was a pure iron that had been embedded in the plants while the iron was still molten. Tiny iron spheres were also found in the soil. In 1999, British investigator Ronald Ashby examined the glaze through optical and scanning electron microscopes. He determined that intense heat had been involved -- iron melts at about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit -- administered in millisecond bursts. "After exhaustive inquiry, there is no mundane explanation for the glaze" he concluded. In another paper for Physiologia Plantarum (1999), Levengood and Talbott suggested that the energy causing crop circles could be an atmospheric plasma vortex -- multiple interacting electrified air masses that emit microwaves as they spiral around the earth's magnetic-field lines. Some formations, however, contain cubes and straight lines. Astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics, says that such "highly organized, intelligent patterns are not something that could be created by a force of nature." But Haisch points out that since not all formations are tested, it is unknown how many are genuine. Nor is it likely that such complex designs could evolve so quickly in nature. "Natural phenomena make mountain ranges and form continents -- they don't learn geometry in ten years," says Haisch, who is the science editor for the Astrophysical Journal. In 1999, philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller made possible the most definitive -- and most revealing -- study to date. The BLT Research Team collected hundreds of plant and soil samples from a seven-circle barley formation in Edmonton, Canada. The plants had both elongated nodes and expulsion cavities, and the soils contained the peculiar iron spheres, indicating a genuine formation. The controls showed none of these changes. Mineralogist Sampath Iyengar, of the Technology of Materials Laboratory, in California, examined specific heat-sensitive clay minerals in these soils, using X-ray diffraction and a scanning electron microscope. He discovered an increase in the degree of crystallinity (the ordering of atoms) in the circle minerals, which statistician Ravi Raghavan determined was statistically significant at the 95 percent level of confidence. "I was shocked," says Iyengar, a 30-year specialist in clay mineralogy. "These changes are normally found in sediments buried for thousands and thousands of years under rocks, affected by heat and pressure, and not in surface soils." Also astounding was the direct correlation between the node-length increases in the plants and the increased crystallization in the soil minerals -- indicating a common energy source for both effects. Yet the scientists could not explain how this would be possible. The temperature required to alter soil crystallinity would be between 1,500 and 1,800 de grees F. This would destroy the plants. Understanding the possible ramifications of these findings, Talbott sought the expertise of an emeritus professor of geology and mineralogy at Dartmouth College, Robert C. Reynolds Jr., who is former president of the Clay Minerals Society. He is regarded by his colleagues as the "best-known expert in the world" on X- ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals. Reynolds determined that the BLT Team's data had been "obtained by competent personnel, using current equipment." The intense heat required for the observed changes in crystallinity "would have incinerated any plant material present," he confirms in a statement for the Rockefeller report. "In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation." Meteorologist James W. Deardorff, professor emeritus at the College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences at Oregon State University, and previously a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, states in a 2001 Physiologia Plantarum commentary that the variety, complexit y and artistry of crop circles "represent the work of intelligence," and not a plasma vortex. "That is why the hoax hypothesis has been popularly advocated," he says. However, he points out, the anomalous properties in plant stems thoroughly documented by Levengood and Talbott could not possibly have been implemented by hoaxers. Deardorff describes one 1986 British formation in which upper and lower layers of crop were intricately swirled and bent perpendicular to each other, in a fashion that "defies any explanation." "People don't want to face up to this, and scientists have to deal with the ridicule factor," he said in a recent interview. Adding to the puzzle, professional filmmakers have documented bizarre daytime "balls of light" at crop-circle sites. Light phenomena were observed by multiple witnesses at the site of the Canadian circle so meticulously examined under the Rockefeller grant. Eltjo Hasselhoff, a Dutch experimental physicist, has taken on the study of what he describes as "bright, fluorescent flying light objects, about the size of a baseball. "Scientists face real and serious questions in confronting this mystery. Could this be secret laser technology beamed down from satellites? Is it a natural phenomenon? Is there a consciousness or intelligence directing an energy form yet unknown to us? "To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing," says astrophysicist Haisch. "To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it .. is another. That is not science." It's not good journalism, either. Thanks to Nancy Talbot and investigative reporter Leslie Kean i lkean@ix.netcom.net . 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Donating Harddrive Space From: Jeff Behnke <jeff@paranormalnews.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:04:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:52:15 -0400 Subject: Donating Harddrive Space Hello there, My name is Jeff Behnke from Paranormalnews.com and we would just like everyone to know that we are donating hard-drive space to anyone who needs to host their media files/documents to the UFO/paranormal community. We already have an extensive list of media that we've catalogued and are looking to catalogue more items, as well as donate bandwidth to those who have run low. We have 55 gigs open at the moment. Please contact me if you are interested. Thanks, Jeff Behnke jeff@paranormalnews.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: The Truth Is... It's A Tower - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:13:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:55:20 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth Is... It's A Tower - Ledger >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:38 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: The Truth Is... It's A Tower >Source: The Daily News - Halifax Nova Scotia = >http://www.canada.com/halifax/dailynews/story.asp?id=3D563D91A6-96D9-45CF-= AB25-FDB9DF976A88 >The truth is ... it's a tower >The Daily News >Monday, September 16, 2002 >A report of a red light over Grand Lake had police and airport >officials scratching their heads for two days last week. >The report first came in Thursday around 11 p.m. A resident >walking his dog said he saw a light moving across the sky, >before hovering in one place on the horizon. >When RCMP officers arrived, they saw it too, but couldn=92t figure >it what it was. >=93It was a very curious sight,=94 said Const. Peter Marshall, >spokesman for the RCMP=92s Halifax detachment. >=93It was just above the horizon. They didn=92t see a tower, and >(the light) wasn=92t blinking.=94 >A call to Halifax International Airport revealed neither its >control tower nor the one in Moncton had detected anything >unusual. >The Mounties watched the light for awhile, and didn=92t see it >move. They decided it didn=92t pose a threat to anything. However, >one of them went back Saturday night =97 on his own time =97 to >satisfy his curiosity, Marshall said. >The officer found a relatively new road leading to a tower, >Marshall said. >=93And there=92s a big red light.=94 >=A9 Copyright 2002 The Daily News Hi Errol, Why this rated a piece in the newspaper is beyond me. I was called out on this "sighting" [the Daily News referred the witness to me to begin with] and it was obvious it was a newly erected cell tower and I told the newspaper reporter it was a tower. I guess it read better coming from the mountie. At least he did the legwork. The airport personal wren't scratching their heads either. They couldn't see anything from their vantage point. Slow news day for the Daily News, I guess. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:17:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:03:51 -0400 Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There - Ledger >From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:00:25 UT >Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman@psln.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:34:59 -0700 >>>From: Steve Jones <stvjns@gargoylemechanique.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:00:59 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: The Truth is Out ... There >>>Sometimes 'Experts' assume that any theory mentioned by a person >>>declares that theory as the persons personal absolute truth. >>>They procede to base all sorts of thought and commentary on that >>>assumption (_not_ the theory), never realizing that a theory >>>proposed does not a believer make. A popular response to an >>>un-favored theory is to attack the messenger, which is of course >>>silly and anti-scientific. >>Steve, Nick, List, >>I just finished reading 'Acquiring Genomes' by Lynn Margulis & >>Dorian Sagan; and if you're at all interested in evolution, it's >>a mind-blower. She and her son, Dorian, also wrote *Microcosmos* >>which goes into great detail about the importance of bacteria in >>evolution. One example is that it's almost impossible to >>understand gene manipulation without understanding that the >>cells allow us to introduce new DNA. >>Margulis points out that gene sharing is a very natural process >>at the bacterial level and we are simply taking advantage of >>this dynamic. >>"Intelligent Design" folks might be closer to the truth about >>how evolution works than the neo Darwinists. >If not, they will get there and I do not endorse Creationism, >but I favor Fred Hoyle's ideas on Panspermia and Intelligent >hierarchies. >This book *Acquiring Genomes* is on my list to read. >I might also recommend "Quantum Evolution" by JohnJoe McFadden. >McFadden argues that evolution may not be random at all. Hi Bill, The Aquatic Ape theory bears looking into as well. Some might recall this showing up on the List some time back. I forget just who has proposed it. Don Ledger [See: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/feb/m14-017.shtml --ebk]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:30:33 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:07:06 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Andy Roberts <aj.roberts@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:10:55 +0100 >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:45:15 -0400 >>Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>Nonsense Andy, >>If the authorities - in this case the military - refused to >>release and deliberately withheld details and the reasons for >>the accident in the first place, then it's a cover-up. I'm not >>claiming any UFO connection here - just a good old fashioned, >>military, cover-your-ass for public relations reasons-coverup. >No Don, the nonsense is entirely yours. The authorities have >always said the fatality was as a result of low flying. They >were even saying this when the case was covered by the 30 year >rule. >Why make up reasons for a cover-up where none exists? Unless, of >course, you _want_ there to be a cover up? Okay Andy have it your way. Just show me the newspaper or media material from then that indicates the RAF reported one of their controllers continued to handle an aircraft on the edge of his clutter area-then we'll be on the same wavelength. The standard 30 year rule gets a lot of people out of the limeight doesn't it? Roy Rogers to you too. Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Italian UFO Newsflash No. 367 From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@libero.it> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:22:31 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:05:10 -0400 Subject: Italian UFO Newsflash No. 367 ITALIAN UFO NEWSFLASH ISSUE NO. 367 - 12 SEPTEMBER 2002 by the Italian Center for UFO Studies (Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici, CISU) Contents: - Italian Sightings In August - Over 200 Italian =93USO=94 Cases - A Book On The UFO Impact On Society ITALIAN SIGHTINGS IN AUGUST As previously announced, August 2002 did not see a repeat of the great Wave of sightings in Italy that characterized 2001, with nearly 260 cases out of the approximately 780 so far gathered for that year. Nonetheless, the number of UFO-related events catalogued thus far for the month of August (74 in all) has slightly surpassed the total of 66 gathered in July, thus resulting in an overall yearly total topping 400 cases which is well above the averages for the 1990s. At the regional level, growth continues in the Veneto region, still continuing to result from the activism of the local CUN chapter (14 cases out of 45 are traceable to Monselice and nearby localities). Thus, this region is usurping the traditional crown from Lombardy, which was surpassed in the meantime during August by Emilia Romagna. As of typology, nocturnal lights continue to prevail but the percentage of para-ufological cases is increasing. As always, statistical tables and graphics are available on the CISU Internet site at URL http://www.arpnet.it/ufo/casi2002.htm [Communication by Giorgio Abraini; UFO-Italia, 12 September] OVER 200 ITALIAN =93USO=94 CASES The number of Italian reports of USOs (Unidentified Submerged Objects) collected and catalogued by the special study project of the Italian Center for UFO Studies (coordinated by Marco Bianchini) has surpassed the 200 mark. A first edition of "UsoCat" (the Italian catalog on unidentified underwater objects and UFOs entering/leaving the ocean, lakes and rivers) was edited and published by the CISU in 1996; it numbered 117 cases. Over the last few months, the project has experienced a strong resurgence, first with the inclusion of UsoCat in an international cataloguing project under the direction of the American Carl Feindt; and then, there was the decision to produce shortly a second, updated edition wholly expanded with detailed summaries of all the cases, as well as some appendices dedicated to aquatic (para-ufological) phenomena (e.g., sightings of unidentified submarines, the recovery of mysterious objects, etc.). [Communication by Marco Bianchini] A BOOK ON THE UFO IMPACT ON SOCIETY Pino Morelli, the Abruzzese ufologist, is responsible for the latest Italian UFO book, titled "UFO Impact! - Quando gli alieni invadono i mass media: dal cinema alla TV, dalla fiction alla realt=E0" (=93UFO Impact! When Aliens Invade the Mass Media: from the Cinema to TV, from Fiction to Reality=94). The volume (by the publishing house Samizdat and on sale for 20 Euro at Feltrinelli bookstores) focuses on how the cinema and other media have devoted space to the UFO and alien themes, leading to speculation on whether this belies specific, propaganda-based motives and exploitation of the public. As is routine for low-circulation books and monographs, this new book may be purchased through the UPIAR Book Service at the Website www.upiar.com, with the usual discounts for CISU members. [Communication by Pino Morelli; collaboration by Giancarlo D=92Alessandro] Collaborators on this edition were: Giorgio Abraini, Marco Bianchini, Giancarlo D=92Alessandro and Pino Morelli. - - - This is the English translation of UFOTEL, a free phone/Internet information service on UFOs edited weekly by Edoardo Russo for the Italian Center for UFO Studies (Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici), available in Italian by calling +39-011-545294, or by e-mail subscription, or on CISU website at http://www.arpnet.it/ufo/ultime.htm UFOTEL is a supplement to "UFO - Rivista di informazione ufologica", published by the Italian Center for UFO Studies, registered at Tribunale di Torino, No. 3670, on 19 June 1986. Director: Giovanni Settimo. Publisher: Cooperativa UPIAR, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Turin, Italy Translated from Italian to English by: Gary J. Presto, Freelance IT-EN Translator/Proofreader 1123 Revere Beach Pky., # 12 Revere, MA 02151 USA Tel.: ++ 1.781.485.1683, Fax: ++ 1.781.485.1684 ICQ: 110502923, E-mail: gjpresto@mediaone.net Webpage: http://profiles.yahoo.com/italoman9 - - - (c) 2002 by: CISU, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Torino, Italia This newsletter (as a whole or in part) may be freely copied, photocopied, reproduced, stored, distributed and retrieved, at the only condition that Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici is reported as the source. You may get it directly via e-mail by subscribing (just send a blank message to: cisuflash-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) The CISU is a no-profit association whose aims are: - to promote the scientific study of UFO phenomena in Italy; - to help circulate information about UFO phenomena and studies; - to coordinate national activities of data collecting and studying. You may reach Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici: - by mail: CISU, Corso Vittorio Emanuele 108, 10121 Torino, Italia - by phone: +39 (011) 30.78.63 (24 hours UFO Hotline) - by fax: +39 (011) 54.50.33 - by Internet e-mail: cisu@ufo.it - at the World Wide Web URL: http://www.cisu.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:11:49 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:10:36 -0400 Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:05:05 EDT >Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:45:47 +0200 >>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:26:01 EDT >>>Subject: Re: 'ET Abduction' & Death Of Pennsylvania Man Reported >>I see the point here as being that: if you are an investigator >>or just trying to look at this objectively you would have long >>ago gotten past the tendency to guess an answer until all the >>evidence is analyzed. >Josh: >My point being is that the UFO connection to this unfortunate >incident was most likely a cock and bull story. I've been out of >town a couple days and it now seems that this was a good guess >on my part. >Why was this garbage even reported without checking out even the >most elementary info like the fact that the UFO report and the >death happened on different days? >There are bottom feeders, willing to have a cheap thrill over >some poor fellow's tragic death. And there are others willing to >report this kind of junk irresponsibly. Why should I bother >playing saucer investigator, when the whole thing stinks to high >heaven? >Anybody with information about this death should have contacted >the Pennsylvania State Police, the County Coroner or some other >responsible official immediately. To throw around this kind of >junk from anonymous sources is irresponsible. If those >reponsible actually thought there was something to these >reports, they may very well have been legally reponsible to >report them as well. >Exciting tales about Army helicopters scouring the mountain >(haven't they heard that the State Police have posessed >helicopters since the 1950s?) or that the "Government" has >seized the corpse and taken it to a local national guard >training area to be held for two months just makes me sick. >What did they think they were doing, just playing their Flying >Saucer hobby? They have certain reponsibilities as citizens. >I don't mind blowing off a stinker like this one as soon as it >hits the airwaves. To do otherwise just encourages the creeps. Hello Bob, I hereby proclaim that thou misseth thine point. For example, on this list I read that a man named Todd Sees went up a mountain on the day of the second of September. He did not return and a subsequent search found his body in a remote, brushy area of the mountain. A report appeared on the list stating that a few people spotted what they thought was a UFO in that area a few days later on September 6. When I read those reports I certainly saw the difference in dates. I was curious that this man seemed to have died in mysterious circumstances and I was curious about the UFO reports and their nature. They were very sketchy reports, so I just said to myself "food for thought, grounds for further research" and filed that information away in my gray box of curiosity. This case was not a high enough priority in my curiosity box to warrant me getting busy and starting to further investigate. I decided to wait until the final report is released and to examine its validity and its answers. At that point I will make a further identification if I am satisfied with the report or whether some areas would need to be further investigated to satisfy my interest. If I felt it was of enough priority I would then contact the principles who prepared the report and suggest avenues of clarification. Bob, I posted you not primarily about the above case but I have wondered why, in a number of your recent posts you felt you needed to jump in and proclaim the truth or falseness of the cases before enough evidence was reported. That is the tendency I was referring to in my post to you. It was clear in the reports of this case that a final report will be forthcoming, so why not wait for that to appear? I don't know what drives you to make such snap judgements, perhaps your ego driving to have you acknowledged as correct.by your peers. I don't see any merits of you prematurely jumping up and claiming a case was bogus or true as reported, especially without any investigation on your part. I strongly suggest that you control your itchy trigger finger and acquire a better analysis before blasting away at targets. Let a case rise or fall on its accumulation of evidence or the lack thereoff and not by planting your opinion on the road to truth. That is a minor roadblock that is easy to detour around. If a case interests you enough for you to start forming a strong interest then use that energy to contact the claimants and examine the basis of their reports before spewing unfounded opinions in your posts. Otherwise just let it sit in your gray box until further clarification appears. It is very difficult to walk around with feet full of bullet holes, no matter how hard is the head. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 18 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - I concur with most others on the List that there is absolutely no evidence or data that would, in any way, make a case for UFO involvement in this tragedy regarding Capt. Shaffner. However, I have a curious mind and wonder just how a pilot, strapped in, can be missing from a cockpit compartment that had not been opened and recovered intact? I have great difficulty with this one little glitch as to the Shaffner tragedy. I'm a great magician myself. I can walk down almost any street and turn into a bar right before your eyes, but seriously, I really want someone to give me a scientific, rational and logical explanation backed up by data and evidence as to how Capt. Shaffner's body disappeared from a sealed cockpit. Wendy Connors
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Colin Andrews E-mail? From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:14:33 -0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:10:09 -0400 Subject: Colin Andrews E-mail? Hello friends, Does anyone have Mr. Andrews e-mail? Regards, Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Vice-Presidente da Entidade Brasileira de Estudos Extraterrestres(Bras=EDlia/Brasil) (EBE-ET VICE PRESIDENT) http://www.ebe-et.com.br From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:14:33 -0300 Subject: Colin Andrews E-mail? Hello friends, Does anyone have Mr. Andrews e-mail? Regards, Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Vice-Presidente da Entidade Brasileira de Estudos Extraterrestres(Bras=EDlia/Brasil) (EBE-ET VICE PRESIDENT) http://www.ebe-et.com.br
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:47:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:12:12 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >I concur with most others on the List that there is absolutely >no evidence or data that would, in any way, make a case for UFO >involvement in this tragedy regarding Capt. Shaffner. >However, I have a curious mind and wonder just how a pilot, >strapped in, can be missing from a cockpit compartment that had >not been opened and recovered intact? >I have great difficulty with this one little glitch as to the >Shaffner tragedy. I'm a great magician myself. I can walk down >almost any street and turn into a bar right before your eyes, >but seriously, I really want someone to give me a scientific, >rational and logical explanation backed up by data and evidence >as to how Capt. Shaffner's body disappeared from a sealed >cockpit. Hi Wendy, I explained this in an earlier email. He likely ditched unintentionally, meaning he was at such a low altitude [wrong altimiter setting] and at an attitude that allowed the aircraft to land itself on the water. He then waited out a rough ride and then climbed out into the water and either drowned or more possibly died of hypothermia. The Lighteneing went to the bottom and if it hit the bottom in a nose down attitude the canopy slid forward, closing itself. No UFOs just a collection of events that formed a chain that eventually caused his death. It hppens a great deal in aviation. If you want one famous example, Flight 401 went into the Florida Everglades in the same manner-all over a 50 cent light bulb. Best Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:10 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:13:46 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Wendy asked: >I concur with most others on the List that there is absolutely >no evidence or data that would, in any way, make a case for UFO >involvement in this tragedy regarding Capt. Shaffner. >However, I have a curious mind and wonder just how a pilot, >strapped in, can be missing from a cockpit compartment that had >not been opened and recovered intact? Here is your answer, straight from the mouth of Group Captain Barwood, who was involved in the RAF Board of Inquiry into the circumstances of the accident: [To set the context, when the Lightning was recovered on the seabed at a depth of 190ft, the aircraft was almost completely intact with the canopy closed. The cockpit was empty but the seat was still inside, with the harness release box undone and the harness still in position.} Barwood: "When the aircraft was raised, it was extablished that the seat firing mechanism had been initiated, but that the cockpit canopy jettison mechanism had failed to fire. The cockpit area was completely undamaged, but the visor attachment track on the pilot's flying helmet had contacted the instrument panel. This probably had no effect on the pilot. He had accidentally flown into, or onto, the sea and the very large belly fuel tank with which the aircraft was fitted acted as a boat hull to take most of the impact load [During salvage the ventral tank and the belly of the aircraft were found to be ripped open and there was under-tail damage]. "The pilot had attempted to eject, but the canopy mechanism would not fire as the firing mechanism had been incorrectly assembled. (The breech firing mechanism of the cockpit canopy jettison system had been clamped in a vice, partially flattening the threads, so that when assembled, it was not screwed completely home, so that the firing plunger did not contact the percussion cap with sufficient energy to fire it). He then opened his cockpit canopy manually using the ordinary post- flight opening mechanism, which is hydraulically operated. He still could not eject as the inderdictor wire had not armed his seat firing mechanism. He undid his combined harness quick release box and climbed out of the cockpit. His dinghy lanyard was still connected and as he separated from the cockpit this extended - fully. At full extension it would check his upward movement, so he released it. "The pilot's body was never recovered. The cockpit canopy hydraulic pressure system slowly decayed so that the canopy closed, trapping the extended dinghy lanyard line. We did find some broken visor transparency on the cockpit floor. This would have broken when the pilots Mk. 3 helmet had hit the coaming beneath the in-flight refuelling panel and it is possible that a sharp edge cut his life preserver. We shall never know." Bear in mind the above information was available in 1997 when aviation historian Martin Bowman published his book on the English Electric Lightning (Crowood Press, Wiltshire). It is also consistent with the official line taken by the MOD in response to inquiries about the incident since at least 1992. There is nothing to suggest there was ever a 'cover-up' - this was simply a tragic accident. Dave Clarke www.flyingsaucery.com
The UFO UpDates Archive Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Brookhaven Labs UFO Crashes & Other Myths From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:48:51 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:15:40 -0400 Subject: Brookhaven Labs UFO Crashes & Other Myths Source: Newsday http://www.newsindex.com/cgi-bin/process.cgi?query=3DUFOs&mode=3Dany Stig *** Long Island's Tall Tales Getting to the truth behind some of our grand delusions By Jim Merritt March 31, 2002 ** THE STONE MARKER with the small bronze plaque stood near Shelter Island's north ferry for decades. The inscription read: On this spot July 11th, 1508 Fell Putikaos Last of the Sihaqua Indians Slain by the Norse Viking Retawerif Over the years, thousands of travelers stopped to reflect on the history of the place and silently pay their respects. In the words of that great philosopher Bugs Bunny: Suckers! "It was all a funny little hoax," says Louise Green, the Shelter Island Town historian. A little boy was the first to figure out that "Putikaos" spelled backward was "soak it up" and "Retawerif" was "firewater," according to a 1942 Long Island Forum article "The Shelter Island Hoax" by then- Suffolk County historian Morton Pennypacker. Green believes the hoax originated in a temperance tantrum by a monied member of a local Methodist camp who placed the sign there in 1908 as a protest against drinking. If the marker, with its unfortunate linkage between Indians and drinking, hasn't fooled anyone lately, that's because it disappeared after recent ferry construction. Case closed. Or is it? Here on Long Island, proving something isn't so doesn't mean some people won't keep saying that it is, or keep other folks from believing them. After all, we live on such a long island that there's more than enough room here to stretch the truth (and as everyone knows, the big LIE runs right down the middle). Long Islanders dive into lake legends. They engage in flights of fancy over flying saucers and spin myths about beasts out at Montauk. The reason we love, cherish and embellish tall tales boils down to three things, local history experts say: location, location, location. Many Long Island myths and legends hark back to our seafaring past, says Philip Nicholson, professor of history at Nassau Community College in Garden City. Communities from Freeport to Sag Harbor welcomed "ships from faraway ports," whose occupants "all had legends and stories to tell." What's more, he says, our homegrown suburban legends may get some of their juice from urban-legend-rich New York City. (So why haven't we spawned any stories of giant crocodiles in the cesspools?) Another wellspring of folklore: the Indians and their nemeses, those fork-tongued interlopers from across the Big Pond. "Most of what you read about are myths that are spun by the English," says Brad Harris, the Smithtown Town historian. One of Long Island's most enduring legends, he says, is the story of the lovesick Indian maiden who committed suicide by drowning herself in Lake Ronkonkoma and whose soul continues to take a male life every year. (In case you were wondering, that one has "no factual basis," Harris says.) Other stories are of more recent vintage. And with all the salons and saloons, gamerooms and chatrooms, coffee shops and country clubs contributing to the information stream, it's no wonder that places like Lake Ronkonkoma and Brookhaven National Laboratory are myth magnets. UFO crashes. Stockpiles of alien DNA. Doomsday scenarios. It sounds like "The X-Files: The Long Island Project," but it's really just a short list of the weird science fiction associated with the Upton lab. BNL is better known for science than skulduggery. Researchers there have been awarded four Nobel Prizes since it was established in 1947 and are currently conducting 600 research projects for the U.S. government. The biggest project: the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (affectionately known as RHIC, or just "Rick"), a particle accelerator the folks in white coats hope is doing nothing less than re-creating the beginnings of the universe on a subatomic scale. But some say there's a lot more to be found at the 5,300-acre campus than Big Bang, the sequel. Alien roadkill, for instance. In 1989, a now-defunct group called the Long Island UFO Network claimed that a boomerang- shaped starship crashed into Moriches Bay, killing 17 aliens. The same group said that more errant E.T.s slammed into Southaven Park in Shirley in 1992. The villain, according to the network? You guessed it: BNL, which purportedly zapped the UFOs with a "Star Wars"-type particle beam, then spirited away the little green victims and their DNA in its fire trucks. Holy "Independence Day"! Lab spokeswoman Mona Rowe keeps her sense of humor even as she dismisses such charges as piffle. Rowe would certainly recognize an alien if she saw one: She's a big science fiction fan whose office is cluttered with UFO tchotchkes, including a 5- foot- tall figure of a little green man with big almond eyes. She actually witnessed the 1989 "crash" while driving in Center Moriches -- the bright orange globes were distress flares from a boat, she believes. But whatever fell from the sky, it didn't hitch a ride to Upton. "We never sent our fire trucks off site, and we have the records to prove it," Rowe says. For the record, "We have not shot down or studied UFOs." And although UFO hysteria has abated in recent years, BNL still gets a handful of E.T.-related phone calls every year. There are a whole lot of little holes in another BNL story. In 1999, The Sunday Times of London reported fears that on the way to re.creating the Big Bang inside RHIC, the lab risked creating a black hole that would suck Long Island and the rest of the universe -- poof -- into oblivion. The scientists, as usual, thought this hilarious. "A bunch of us were sitting drinking beers one night, trying to figure out a good practical application for RHIC," says BNL physicist Jeffery Mitchell, 37, of Rocky Point. Here's what they decided: "There are always an odd number of socks when they come out of the wash, so there's got to be some black hole that swallows up all the socks," Mitchell says. "So we came up with a way to study this in the laboratory." But seriously, folks... BNL concluded back in the 1980s that RHIC was safe. "We weren't doing something that nature isn't doing already," Mitchell says. Nature is responsible for a whole other category of fabulous falsehood masquerading as fact. Let's start with a quick quiz given this winter at La Salle Center (formerly the military academy) in Oakdale. Which of the following statements is true? a) Long Island is sinking. b) Lake Ronkonkoma and Lake Success are bottomless. c) From those lakes, you could scuba-dive through underground springs all the way to Long Island Sound or the Connetquot River. Answer? None of the above, says Gilbert Hanson, a professor of geology at SUNY Stony Brook. Skin divers in 1959 touched the muddy bottom of Lake Ronkonkoma, 70 feet down (that's still pretty darn deep for a Long Island lake). And as for any other body of water being bottomless, gravity wouldn't allow it. "The water would get stuck in the middle of the Earth," Hanson says. Meanwhile, you'd have to be smaller than a grain of sand to swim along the underground springs running through the Island's sedimentary layer, he says. Finally, Long Island isn't sinking, Hanson says; the water's rising -- thanks to global warming -- but at a rate of about a foot a century, so don't go building any arks just yet. (By the way, April Fool: La Salle closed last July.) Nassau also has its share of truth-starved taradiddles. At least one prominent history book claims the Redcoats chained Revolutionary patriots to Execution Rocks, located just off Sands Point in Long Island Sound, leaving them to drown at high tide. "Ninety percent hogwash," says North Hempstead Town historian Joan Kent. The metal rings on the rocks were for tying up boats. Sailors probably named Execution Rocks for the shipwrecks they caused before the lighthouse there was built in 1850. OK, but George Washington did visit his namesake Port Washington on his famous trip across Long Island in 1790, right? Wrong again. "Generations of Port Washington children were taught that," says Kent, who grew up in the community. "But he went from Roslyn straight to Flushing." What about the story that Smithtown's boundaries were set around 1665 when the town's founder, Richard Smith, won from the Indians all the land he could circle in a single day on the back of his pet bull? "A bull story," Harris says, given the wilderness terrain at the time. "He did ride a bull, and he may actually have gone around, but if he did it in one day he was an amazing man, and he certainly was sore when he got off." And that puts the kibosh on this tasty morsel: that Bread and Cheese Hollow Road in Fort Salonga recalls Smith's ploughman's lunch that day, Harris adds. "There's a sucker born every minute," P.T. Barnum supposedly said, so it's fitting that some local humbug sucks Barnum in, too. The Village of Island Park lies on a beachhead known as Barnum Island. An official history of the village published in 1880 notes that the island was named after old P.T., who reportedly wanted to winter his circus elephants there, says Joann Krieg, a former Barnum Island resident and an English professor at Hofstra University. Not so, Krieg says. If there ever were elephants in the neighborhood, they were Coney Island pachyderms used as a publicity stunt to draw attention to the Long Beach boardwalk when it was built around 1907, she says. Barnum Island's true namesake: Sarah Ann Baldwin Barnum, also known as Mrs. P.C. Barnum (hence the confusion with P.T.), says Natalie Naylor, former director of the Long Island Studies Institute in Hempstead. Sarah Barnum was a 19th century preservationist from East Meadow who bought the island for use as a poorhouse, which was built in 1874. Down the road a piece, Hofstra University in Hempstead got caught up in a cat's tale that has more than nine lives. The university was founded in 1935 with a bequest from Kate Hofstra, who, legend has it, wanted her former estate preserved as a perpetual sanctuary for kitties. Alas, Kate Hofstra left no feline fund, says Geri Solomon, Hofstra University archivist. But to this day, cats still get left on campus, surviving on milk from students and pretty much fending for themselves when school's out. And now for an even hairier fairy tale, this one about a raging beast, time travel and mind control. During the early 1980s, as part of the so-called Montauk Project, the federal government conducted top-secret experiments at Camp Hero, the military base not far from the Montauk Point Lighthouse -- at least that's what conspiracy theorists say. Preston Nichols, 55, of East Islip, co-authored a 1992 book with Peter Moon titled "The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time." The book claims the project was the climax of a top-secret investigation into the paranormal that began in 1943 with the Philadelphia Experiment, when the government supposedly teleported the USS Eldridge back in time (the goal was actually to make the ship invisible). The Montauk project didn't stop at disappearing destroyers; it was really about mind control, Nichols said in a recent interview, but as the experiment commenced, someone's mind wasn't totally on his work. A beast resembling Bigfoot was released from the mind of one of the Montauk Project radar operators. "I saw the creature," Nichols says, when he was working there as a communications engineer. New York State now owns the lion's share of Camp Hero and is planning to open a state park there to the general public this summer. State parks spokeswoman Wendy Gibson was loath to discourage tourist-drawing myths about the place, but she says workers haven't encountered anything "otherworldly," even if Nichols maintains the beast is still roaming the grounds. Things that go bump in the night bring us to "The Amityville Horror" -- subject of the popular book and movie -- which some think tops the list of all local hoaxes. The Amityville house where Ronald Defeo Jr. murdered six members of his family in 1974 was just begging for a subsequent haunting, believers say. After all, it was built on an Indian burial ground. But that one doesn't have a ghost of a chance, says Nicholson of NCC. "The whole island was an Indian burial ground because they were seminomadic," he says. "They buried their dead where they lived. It's not as if they had a cemetery." Another successful -- if decidedly less gruesome -- literary hoax originated, we blush to admit, in the former Garden City offices of this very newspaper. In 1969, 25 Newsday reporters and editors penned an exercise in intentionally bad writing titillatingly titled "Naked Came the Stranger." A Long Island housewife posed as the author, Penelope Ashe, doing a number of television and radio interviews to promote the novel before the hoax was revealed, says senior editor Harvey Aronson, then a feature columnist and co-editor of the book. "Naked" made it to No. 3 on The New York Times' bestseller list, sold 60,000 hardcover copies and eventually earned about a quarter of a million dollars for its perpetrators, he says. New technology opens new hoax horizons. In 1997, "Slaughterhouse-Five" author Kurt Vonnegut was caught up in a flap over a commencement speech he supposedly gave at MIT warning grads to "wear sunscreen," "floss" and "dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room." It was great Vonnegut-level advice for future grown-ups, and thanks to an anonymous e-mailer known as Culprit Zero it flew around the Internet. Vonnegut never wrote or said it, however, and the Sagaponack resident readily gave credit to the real author, Chicago Tribune columnist Mary Schmich. But literary license has a long history on Long Island. "An American bard at last!" proclaimed an 1855 review of Walt Whitman's "Leaves of Grass." Too bad the comparison to Shakespeare was nothing but a ruse. Today, Whitman, who was born in Huntington, is revered as our poet laureate. But back then, he was just another ink-stained newspaperman, trying to drum up publicity for a book that wasn't exactly flying off the shelves. David Reynolds of Westbury, author of the 1995 book, "Walt Whitman's America: A Cultural Biography," explains: "When the first edition of 'Leaves of Grass' came out in 1855, he wrote three laudatory reviews that he planted anonymously in friendly newspapers." The editors of those now- .defunct papers were in on the scam, but not their readers. "Basically, he pulled a fast one," Reynolds says. The excuse: Back then, lots of folks were doing it. Dick Ryan, curator at the Walt Whitman Birthplace in West Hills, points out that with no Oprah-style talk shows to drive "Leaves of Grass" up the bestseller lists, planting complimentary reviews in newspapers was "the only way that was available to a person promoting himself." Whitman never prospered from his cheating; sales and some measure of success came only in 1881, after his book was tossed out of Beantown, inspiring the famous phrase "banned in Boston," Reynolds says. So, should the Good Gray Poet be dis-bard for his little ploy? No, say his fans, even if the two thumbs- up he received were his own.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:58:17 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:18:59 -0400 Subject: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft I have checked the archives and although this item is from March last year, it hasn't been forwarded to UFO UpDates before. An e-mail on April 19 2001 refers to a Washington Post article that might deal with the same subject, but the link doesn't work any longer. Source: The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01mar_1.htm Stig *** Buck Rogers, Watch Out! NASA researchers are studying insects and birds, and using "smart" materials with uncanny properties to develop new and mindboggling aircraft designs. ** [Listen to this story (requires RealPlayer)] "Birds are so much more maneuverable than our airplanes are today. Birds can hover, they can fly backwards and sideways. And insects -- oh forget it! -- upside down, loop-de-loop, all sorts of things." Anna McGowan, program manager for the Morphing Project at NASA's Langley Research Center ** March 1, 2001 -- The "personal aircraft" that replaces the beloved automobile in people's garages may still lie in the realm of science fiction or Saturday-morning cartoons, but researchers at NASA's Langley Research Center (LaRC) are developing exotic technologies that could bring a personal "air- car" closer to reality. And air-cars are just the beginning. Self-healing wings that flex and react like living organisms, versatile bombers that double as agile jet fighters, and swarms of tiny unmanned aircraft are just a few of the science-fiction- like possibilities that these next- generation technologies could make feasible in the decades ahead. At the core of this impending quantum leap in aerospace technology are "smart" materials -- substances with uncanny properties, such as the ability to bend on command, "feel" pressure, and transform from liquid to solid when placed in a magnetic field. "This is technology that most people aren't aware even exists," said Anna McGowan, program manager for the Morphing Project at LaRC, which develops these new technologies. The task of the Morphing Project is to envision what cutting- edge aerospace design will be like 20 years from now and begin developing the technologies to make it happen. For example, a personal air-car needs to be compact, yet able to fly at both very low and very high speeds. "We know that to get a 'Jetsons' vehicle, you're probably going to need a wing that can undergo a radical configuration change," McGowan said. "The kind of wing you need at very low speed and the kind of wing you need at high speeds are completely different." Some airplanes today can already reorient their wings, such as the Navy's F-14 Tomcat and the B-1 supersonic bomber. These planes use rigid wings mounted to large, heavy pivots in the plane's body. In contrast, Morphing Project scientists envision a wing that will unfurl on command using "shape- memory" metal alloys or other novel "smart" materials. The material of the wing itself would bend to create the new shape. Shape-memory alloys have the unusual property of snapping back to their original shape with great force when a certain amount of heat is applied. Any shape can be "trained" into the alloy as its original shape. Among the exotic "smart" materials being developed by the Morphing Project, shape-memory alloys are relatively ordinary. Imagine seeing a bullet shot through a sheet of material, only to have the material instantly "heal" behind the bullet! Remember, this is not science fiction. Self-healing materials actually exist, and LaRC scientists are working to unravel their secrets. "What we did at NASA-Langley was basically dissect that material to answer the question, 'how does it do that?'" McGowan said. "By doing so, we can actually get down to computational modeling of these materials at the molecular level." "Once we understand the material's behavior at that level, then we can create designer 'smart' materials," she added. LaRC is also developing customized variations of piezoelectric materials. These substances link electric voltage to motion. If you contort a piezoelectric material a voltage is generated. Conversely, if you apply a voltage, the material will contort. Scientists can use such properties to design piezoelectric materials that function as strain sensors or as "actuators" -- devices that create small motions in machines, like the moving of wing flaps. Combined with micro-electronics, these materials could lead to a radical advance in airplane design. "When we look 20 years into the future, we see airplanes that have distributed self-assessment and repair in real time," McGowan said. "To make this technology possible, you would need to distribute these actuators and sensors throughout the wings. That's similar to how the human body operates. We have muscles and nerves all over our bodies -- so we are aware of what's happening to our bodies and we can respond to it in a number of ways." The resemblance to biology doesn't end there. One avenue of Morphing Project research is to examine how nature does the things that it does well. Scientists hope they can learn lessons from this tutelage to improve their own designs. "Nature does some things that we can't even get close to doing. Birds are so much more maneuverable than our airplanes are today. Birds can hover, they can fly backwards and sideways. And insects -- oh forget it! -- upside down, loop-de-loop, all sorts of things. We can't even get close to that [yet]," McGowan said. Called "biomimetics," this practice of learning from nature has led to the development of -- among other things -- a facsimile of bone. Bone is very light because of its porous interior, but it's also very strong. LaRC scientists can make structures similar to bone by injecting polymer microspheres into composite shells of the desired shape, then heating the spheres to make them fuse together like tiny soap bubbles. "If you can have the strength and lightweightness of these bone- like structures that I'm talking about, then add in nerve-like sensors and these flexible actuators, what you're going to end up with is an extremely light-weight, very strong, self-sensing, self-actuating structure." Compare that vision to the rigid, numb, heavy structures airplanes are made of today, and you'll get a sense of the dramatic difference "smart" materials could make in aerospace design. As with all basic science, the applications of these "smart" materials will extend to technologies outside of the aerospace industry. "We are working very closely with two different commercialization groups funded by NASA," McGowan said, "and the outlook for this technology is on the order of millions of applications." ** The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center sponsors the Science@NASA web sites. The mission of Science@NASA is to help the public understand how exciting NASA research is and to help NASA scientists fulfill their outreach responsibilities. Author: Patrick L. Barry Production Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips Curator: Bryan Walls Media Relations: Steve Roy Responsible NASA official: Ron Koczor
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:57:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:20:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO Updates <UFOUpdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:31:41 -0600 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >Jeez, ya just had to go and blow your cover, didn't you! Crud, >now I guess I have to demand back the money I sent you covertly >in the mayonaise jar to cover you know what! <G> >You should be ashamed of yourself, you bad boy, you! <G> >Wendy Connors Let me get this straight, Wendy. EBK is using money to cover his "you know what"? I don't even want to guess what the mayonnaise jar was for. Geez Errol, Fruit of the Looms - 6 pack at Wall Mart..only $13.95 And they come in different colors. Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Tomorrow's Spacecraft From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:38:15 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:07:41 -0400 Subject: 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Tomorrow's Spacecraft Some very informative illustrations and links can be found on the page. Stig *** Source: The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/16sep_rightstuff.htm?list433924 September 16, 2002 The Right Stuff for Super Spaceships Tomorrow's spacecraft will be built using advanced materials with mind- boggling properties. [Listen to this story via streaming audio, a downloadable file, or get help.] ** Sept. 16, 2002: "What I'm really looking for," you say to the salesman, "is a car that goes at least 10,000 miles between fill-ups, repairs itself automatically, cruises at 500 mph, and weighs only a few hundred pounds." As he stands there wide-eyed, you add, "Oh yeah, and I can only spend about a quarter of what these other cars cost." A request like this is sure to get you laughed off the new-car lot. But in many ways, this dream car is a metaphor for the space vehicles we'll need to expand our exploration of the solar system in the decades to come. These new spacecraft will need to be faster, lighter, cheaper, more reliable, more durable, and more versatile, all at the same time. Impossible? Before you answer, consider how a rancher from 200 years ago might have reacted if a man had asked to buy a horse that could run 100 mph for hours on end, carry his entire family and all their luggage, and sing his favorite songs to him all the while! Today we call them minivans. Revolutions in technology - like the Industrial Revolution that replaced horses with cars - can make what seems impossible today commonplace tomorrow. Such a revolution is happening right now. Three of the fastest- growing sciences of our day - biotech, nanotech, and information technology - are converging to give scientists unprecedented control of matter on the molecular scale. Emerging from this intellectual gold-rush is a new class of materials with astounding properties that sound more at home in a science fiction novel than on the laboratory workbench. Imagine, for example, a substance with 100 times the strength of steel, yet only 1/6 the weight; materials that instantly heal themselves when punctured; surfaces that can "feel" the forces pressing on them; wires and electronics as tiny as molecules; structural materials that also generate and store electricity; and liquids that can instantly switch to solid and back again at will. All of these materials exist today ... and more are on the way. With such mind-boggling materials at hand, building the better spacecraft starts to look not so far fetched after all. Weight equals money The challenge of the next-generation spacecraft hinges on a few primary issues. First and foremost, of course, is cost. "Even if all the technical obstacles were solved today, exploring our solar system still needs to be affordable to be practical," says Dr. Neville Marzwell, manager of Revolutionary Aerospace Technology for NASA's Next Decadal Planning Team. Lowering the cost of space flight primarily means reducing weight. Each pound trimmed is a pound that won't need propulsion to escape from Earth's gravity. Lighter spaceships can have smaller, more efficient engines and less fuel. This, in turn, saves more weight, thus creating a beneficial spiral of weight savings and cost reduction. The challenge is to trim weight while increasing safety, reliability, and functionality. Just leaving parts out won't do. Scientists are exploring a range of new technologies that could help spacecraft slim down. For example, gossamer materials - which are ultra- thin films - might be used for antennas or photovoltaic panels in place of the bulkier components used today, or even for vast solar sails that provide propulsion while massing only 4 to 6 grams per square meter. Composite materials, like those used in carbon-fiber tennis rackets and golf clubs, have already done much to help bring weight down in aerospace designs without compromising strength. But a new form of carbon called a "carbon nanotube" holds the promise of a dramatic improvement over composites: The best composites have 3 or 4 times the strength of steel by weight - for nanotubes, it's 600 times! "This phenomenal strength comes from the molecular structure of nanotubes," explains Dennis Bushnell, a chief scientist at Langley Research Center (LaRC), NASA's Center of Excellence for Structures and Materials. They look a bit like chicken-wire rolled into a cylinder with carbon atoms sitting at each of the hexagons' corners. Typically nanotubes are about 1.2 to 1.4 nanometers across (a nanometer is one- billionth of a meter), which is only about 10 times the radius of the carbon atoms themselves. Nanotubes were only discovered in 1991, but already the intense interest in the scientific community has advanced our ability to create and use nanotubes tremendously. Only 2 to 3 years ago, the longest nanotubes that had been made were about 1000 nanometers long (1 micron). Today, scientists are able to grow tubes as long as 200 million nanometers (20 cm). Bushnell notes that there are at least 56 labs around the world working to mass produce these tiny tubes. "Great strides are being made, so making bulk materials using nanotubes will probably happen," Bushnell says. "What we don't know is how much of this 600 times the strength of steel by weight will be manifest in a bulk material. Still, nanotubes are our best bet." Beyond merely being strong, nanotubes will likely be important for another part of the spacecraft weight-loss plan: materials that can serve more than just one function. "We used to build structures that were just dumb, dead-weight holders for active parts, such as sensors, processors, and instruments," Marzwell explains. "Now we don't need that. The holder can be an integral, active part of the system." Imagine that the body of a spacecraft could also store power, removing the need for heavy batteries. Or that surfaces could bend themselves, doing away with separate actuators. Or that circuitry could be embedded directly into the body of the spacecraft. When materials can be designed on the molecular scale such holistic structures become possible. Spacecraft skins Humans can feel even the slightest pinprick anywhere on their bodies. It's an amazing bit of self- monitoring - possible because your skin contains millions of microscopic nerve endings as well as nerves to carry those signals to your brain. Likewise, materials that make up critical systems in a spaceship could be embedded with nanometer-scale sensors that constantly monitor the materials' condition. If some part is starting to fail - that is, it "feels bad" - these sensors could alert the central computer before tragedy strikes. Molecular wires could carry the signals from all of these in- woven sensors to the central computer, avoiding the impractical bulk of millions and millions of today's wires. Again, nanotubes may be able to serve this role. Conveniently, nanotubes can act as either conductors or semi-conductors, depending on how they're made. Scientists have made molecular wires of other elongated molecules, some of which even naturally self-assemble into useful configurations. Your skin is also able to heal itself. Believe it or not, some advanced materials can do the same thing. Self-healing materials made of long- chain molecules called ionomers react to a penetrating object such as a bullet by closing behind it. Spaceships could use such skins because space is full of tiny projectiles - fast-moving bits of debris from comets and asteroids. Should one of these sand- to pebble-sized objects puncture the ship's armor, a layer of self-healing material would keep the cabin airtight. Meteoroids aren't the only hazard; space is filled with radiation, too. Spaceships in low-Earth orbit are substantially protected by our planet's magnetic field, which forms a safe bubble about 50,000 km wide centered on Earth. Beyond that distance, however, solar flares and cosmic rays pose a threat to space travelers. Scientists are still searching for a good solution. The trick is to provide adequate shielding without adding lots of extra weight to the spacecraft. Some lightweight radiation- shielding materials are currently being tested in an experiment called MISSE onboard the International Space Station. But these alone won't be enough. The real bad guy is Galactic Cosmic Radiation (GCR) produced in distant supernova explosions. It consists, in part, of very heavy positive ions - such as iron nuclei - zipping along at great speed. The combination of high mass and high speed makes these little atomic "cannon balls" very destructive. When they pierce through the cells in people's bodies, they can smash apart DNA, leading to illness and even cancer. "It turns out that the worst materials you can use for shielding against GCR are metals," Bushnell notes. When a galactic comic ray hits a metallic atom, it can shatter the atom's nucleus - a process akin to the fission that occurs in nuclear power plants. The secondary radiation produced by these collisions can be worse than the GCR that the metal was meant to shield. Ironically, light elements like hydrogen and helium are the best defense against these GCR brutes, because collisions with them produce little secondary radiation. Some people have suggested surrounding the living quarters of the ship with a tank of liquid hydrogen. According to Bushnell, a layer of liquid hydrogen 50 to 100 cm thick would provide adequate shielding. But the tank and the cryogenic system is likely to be heavy and awkward. Here again, nanotubes might be useful. A lattice of carbon nanotubes can store hydrogen at high densities, and without the need for extreme cold. So if our spacecraft of the future already uses nanotubes as an ultra-lightweight structural material, could those tubes also be loaded up with hydrogen to serve as radiation shielding? Scientists are looking into the possibility. Going one step further, layers of this structural material could be laced with atoms of other elements that are good at filtering out other forms of radiation: boron and lithium to handle the neutrons, and aluminum to sop up electrons, for example. Camping out in the cosmos Earth's surface is mostly safe from cosmic radiation, but other planets are not so lucky. Mars, for example, doesn't have a strong global magnetic field to deflect radiation particles, and its atmospheric blanket is 140 times thinner than Earth's. These two differences make the radiation dose on the Martian surface about one-third as intense as in unprotected open space. Future Mars explorers will need radiation shielding. "We can't take most of the materials with us for a long-term shelter because of the weight consideration. So one thing we're working on is how to make radiation-shielding materials from the elements that we find there," says Sheila Thibeault, a scientist at LaRC who specializes in radiation shielding. One possible solution is "Mars bricks." Thibeault explains: "Astronauts could produce radiation-resistant bricks from materials available locally on Mars, and use them to build shelters." They might, for example, combine the sand-like "regolith" that covers the Martian surface with a polymer made on-site from carbon dioxide and water, both abundant on the red planet. Zapping this mixture with microwaves creates plastic- looking bricks that double as good radiation shielding. "By using microwaves, we can make these bricks quickly using very little energy or equipment," she explains. "And the polymer we would use adds to the radiation-shielding properties of the regolith." Mars shelters would need the reliability of self-sensing materials, the durability of self-healing materials, and the weight savings of multi- functional materials. In other words, a house on Mars and a good spacecraft need many of the same things. All of these are being considered by researchers, Thibeault says. The folks back home Mind-boggling advanced materials will come in handy on Earth, too. "NASA's research is certainly focused on aerospace vehicles," notes Anna McGowan, manager of NASA's Morphing Project (an advanced materials research effort at the Langley Research Center). "However, the basic science could be used in many other areas. There could be millions of spin-offs." But not yet. Most advanced materials lack the engineering refinement needed for a polished, robust product. They're not ready for primetime. Even so, say researchers, it's only a matter of time: Eventually that car salesman will stop laughing ... and start selling your space-age dream machine. ** Credits & Contacts Author: Patrick L. Barry Responsible NASA official: Ron Koczor Production Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips Curator: Bryan Walls Media Relations: Steve Roy The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center sponsors the Science@NASA web sites. The mission of Science@NASA is to help the public understand how exciting NASA research is and to help NASA scientists fulfill their outreach responsibilities.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:54:00 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:09:32 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV <snip> >However, I have a curious mind and wonder just how a pilot, >strapped in, can be missing from a cockpit compartment that had >not been opened and recovered >intact? Having seen both the official Ministry of Defence (MOD)file (around an inch thick) on this tragic accident, and the Accident Card (an executive summary of around 400 words), I believe I can shed some light on this. As I said in my previous post (17 September), the crash occurred when Capt Schaffner flew his aircraft into the sea while attempting the low speed shadowing and shepherding of a Shackleton aircraft. There was no UFO incident. The Board of Inquiry (BOI) concluded that when the aircraft hit the sea, Capt Schaffner initiated an ejection, which was unsuccessful because of the interruption of the sequence by the failure of the canopy to jettison. He then manually abandoned the aircraft, but was presumed to have drowned during or after the escape. As I recall, the BOI speculated that the canopy closed again because of water pressure and/or other technical reasons connected with the hydraulics. I should caveat the above by saying that I have not seen the BOI file since 1992, when as part of my MOD job I investigated the bizarre allegations surrounding this crash, having been asked about it by various ufologists and journalists. I did, however, see the Accident Card again in June this year, in the course of my involvement with the BBC documentary that enabled Capt Schaffner's sons to learn the truth about the tragic death of their father. I hope this is helpful. Best Wishes, Nick Pope
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations From: Kelly Peterborough <kellymcg@attcanada.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:11:48 -0400 Subject: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 18:02 GMT 19:02 UK Doctors create out-of-body sensations Doctors say they have triggered out-of-body experiences in a female patient by stimulating her brain. They believe their work may help to explain mysterious incidents when people report experiences of 'leaving' their body and watching it from above. The doctors did not set out to achieve the effect - they were actually treating the women for epilepsy. Professor Olaf Blanke and colleagues at Geneva University Hospital in Switzerland were using electrodes to stimulate the brain. They found that stimulating one spot - the angular gyrus in the right cortex - repeatedly caused out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Initially, the stimulations caused the woman to feel she was "sinking" into the bed, or falling from a height. When the current amplitude was increased, she reported leaving her body. Floating She told the doctors: "I see myself lying in bed, from above, but I only see my legs and lower trunk." Further stimulations led to a feeling of lightness and "floating" close to the ceiling. The patient was then asked to watch her real legs as current was passed through the electrodes attached to her head. This time she reported her legs "becoming shorter". If bent, her legs appeared to be moving quickly towards her face, causing her to take evasive action. A similar effect happened when she was asked to look at her outstretched arms. The left arm appeared shortened, but the right arm was unaffected. If both arms were bent by 90 degrees at the elbow, the woman felt her left lower arm and hand were moving towards her face. The doctors believe the angular gyrus plays an important role in matching up visual information and the brain's touch and balance representation of the body. When the two become dissociated, an out-body-experience may result. Writing in the journal Nature, the Swiss team said out-of-body experiences tended to be short-lived, and to disappear when a person attempts to inspect the illusory body or body part. Greater awareness Professor Blanke told BBC News Online that out of body sensations may be caused by an overactive angular gyrus. Alternatively, the electrical stimulation might actually have depressed activity in the area. He said it was impossible to rule out possibility that other areas of the brain were also involved. He said there was no evidence to suggest that out-of- body experiences were linked to epilepsy. "OBEs have been reported in neurological patients with epilepsy, migraine and after cerebral strokes, but they also appear in healthy subjects. "Awareness of a biological basis of OBEs might allow some patients who suffer frequently from OBEs to talk about them more openly. "In addition, physicians might take the phenomenon more seriously and carry out necessary investigations such as an EEG, MRI, and neurological examinations." The research is published in the journal 'Nature'.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 New Book 'Alien Odyssey' From: John Meloney <betsyross@fcgnetworks.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:46:26 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:14:58 -0400 Subject: New Book 'Alien Odyssey' Hello List, I have been a UFO investigator since NICAP days in the 1960's when the Condon committee was working, etc. Sort of dropped out for a while after the Condon fiasco but continued on my own. Then married a lady who was very psychic from birth. After we were married she started channeling. Soon she was channeling aliens. I was skeptical at first but as channeling developed we travelled thousands of miles under alien guidance and had many interesting adventures. Last year she died and I have since written a book about the episodes in our lives with aliens. It is all original material not taken from other books and I wrote it because I thought researchers should have the information. It can be denied, explained by any theory you want, but what I reported is what happened. I have called the book 'Alien Odyssey' and am selling it for $6.95 postage included. I don't expect to make a profit and I didn't write it for money but I do need to get some of my investment back. You can order it by sending a check to me: John Meloney 6 Chestnut Street Claremonmt, N.H. 03743 I'll even sign the copy. JMM
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Whiteswan Lake, British Columbia - 07-09-02 From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:19:55 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:17:54 -0400 Subject: Whiteswan Lake, British Columbia - 07-09-02 HUFOBC Hi List Here is the report for Whiteswan Lake, I finally received it tonight. The witnesses sent along a photo of the lake, and star chart placing dots on the picture exactly where the objects were in the sky. Take care Brian ----- Whiteswan Lake, British Columbia Date: July 9, 2002 Time: approx: 1:00 a.m. Recalling our sighting at Whiteswan Lake We were lying in our dingy looking at different masses of stars in the clear night sky. The big dipper was to our visual left as we where looking at what appeared to be a cluster of 6 fairly lined up even stars. Like the 6 on dice,( except the bottom two out of line a bit) as bright as the brightest stars, that's what we thought they where. Seconds after my husband pointed out the cluster, they started to move enough that we looked at each other, back at them, and in amazement confirmed to each other that we saw them move. Then for the next (time?) couple/few minutes they performed. As we where on the water, excited about seeing the abundance of stars, I noted what we where seeing for my own recollection of what I knew was a memorable moment. How I came to the conclusion that this is the area of our sighting is, I knew the Big Dipper location, and knew it would help me to target the spot we had just seen this happen at. I followed across, as I have marked, in a line, from the handle of the Big Dipper, just across the bottom of the obvious constellation of Corona Borealis (didn't know the name of it at the time). Then I used the sets of 2 stars in a line (that look similar in their visual lineup,) the 2 stars at the point of the our sighting where the 3rd set of 2, following a line from the tip of the big dipper handle. I can't say for positive I've targeted the exact spot, but until the sky changed recently, we where able to look up and target the spot, using the Big Dipper and Corona Borealis, following over to the left to the 2 star location, and the two sets of 2 similar spaced stars as the path to where we saw this. I remember that night, feeling that I wanted to remember the spot we just saw this happen at, so I looked from the Big Dipper to the point it happened, back and forth several times, and decided that it appeared to be about the distance of the width of the Big Dipper twice. I'm in the right area, just not absolutely sure at the actual point of the sighting. So Amazing, I'm shaking my head as I write this, they did maneuvers, and left in the far depths of the sky, no sounds, no blinking or flashing lights, they looked just like stars all the while this was happening. Two of them left up and far above us, so far up they turned into pinpoints in the clear deep sky and disappeared, after we watched them jog position, speed up, go ahead, slow down, the other speed up, catch up, ,repeating this until they where out of sight, the other two, swooped around, out to the side, in circular motions, returning to their position of where we first thought they where stars. One would swoop out and around then back to position, the other would do the same. The maneuvers where similar, but not the same. Each time they returned to the position we first saw them. When we watched the other 2 as they jogged up, deeper into the sky, coming high above us, turn to distant pinpoints and disappear, we looked back to see the 2 that where doing the circular motions and they where gone, only 2 stars where there. It was over, we sat in our dingy and talked about what we had just experienced and still do today. If you have any questions I'll gladly answer them the best I can. If you've heard/or hear of anything that you feel could be related to this please contact us,( hoping you do.) Good Luck with your investigation. Thank You
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:32:09 +0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:20:21 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:58:17 +0200 >Subject: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >"We are working very closely with two different >commercialization groups funded by NASA," McGowan said, "and the >outlook for this technology is on the order of millions of >applications. Who (what company) is designing and building these? Time to put some money into aerospace stocks and shares?! Diana in Malawi
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 BBC Programme From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:34:13 +0300 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:21:48 -0400 Subject: BBC Programme I heard an announcement on the BBC World Service the other night advertising a programme on 'Britain's X Files', I believe sometime early next week. You might want to check it out. Diana in Malawi
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:24:03 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:53:39 EDT >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >>Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >>UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >>how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >>have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >>analyzing Moore's model. >Bravo on an excellent web site. Gee, the usually loud, blow hard >skeptics are strangely silent..... :) >Bottom line is to have Roswell/mogel in perspective you have at >the very, very best a theory that is 17 miles short and from >what you have uncovered a theory that was bogus and hodge podged >together to come up with a set of facts. >My guess is your information will get little or now attention in >the Skeptical Inquirer, nor will the usually host of mogelites >and supporters be offering anything. Somehow that is not a big >surprise... Robert, This does raise an interesting dilemma for skeptics who are used to branding "pro-Roswell" witnesses as hoaxers and using this as "evidence" against a saucer crash. Furthermore absolutely _everything_ any of these witnesses says is considered to have no credibility. So, e.g., since Glenn Dennis' "Nurse X" doesn't seem to exist (at least, not by the name he gave), this has been used to completely discredit Dennis and all parts of his story, such as receiving calls from the base about caskets and body preservation techniques and getting threatened at the base hospital. By the same logic, since Charles Moore is now a proven hoaxer, does this discredit the Mogul hypothesis? How about other of Moore's statements about Project Mogul? Was there really a "flower tape," e.g.? Did Roswell base really know nothing about Mogul? (Moore seems to have altered a graphic in his book and lied in a recent e-mail to advance this position as well. Ironically Moore's book is called "UFO Crash at Roswell -- The Genesis of a Modern Myth." Moore seems to enjoy creating a few myths of his own.) Because Moore is obviously willing to lie, will he now be permanently banned from all UFO discussions, unfit to share the stage with? Moore isn't the only Mogul person who seems guilty of cooking up a tale to discredit the flying disk story. See my summary of the Duffy/Trakowski story, which might be another hoax by two of the former Mogul project directors. http://roswellproof.homestead.com/RoswellSummary11.html In this little fable, used as one of the cornerstones of the AF's 1995 report debunking Roswell, Col. Trakowski claimed Col. Duffy, his predecessor at Mogul, called him on the phone a few days later. Supposedly someone had flown the debris from New Mexico to Wright Field, brought it to Duffy's home, and Duffy absolutely identified it as being from Project Mogul. After relating this to Trakowski, Trakowski claimed they both had a good laugh over the foolishness of the Roswell people for not being able to ID a radar reflector. There are 3 big problems with this story. One is a recently found telegram from a news reporter that indicates Duffy was in New Jersey near Mogul headquarters, not at Wright Field. How could he ID debris at his home if he wasn't there? Second, in two letters to Robert Todd just before he died, Duffy gave a very ambiguous description of what he supposedly saw, even saying he didn't know exactly what it was, very odd statements considering that Duffy was one of the inventors of the very radar target that Gen. Ramey displayed as the crash object. And third, with Project Mogul being very fastidious about keeping records about their flights, Trakowski seemed to make no note of the ultimate fate of one of their balloons. (I could also add that a year and half later, Project Grudge requested that Trakowski correlate their balloon flights with reported UFO reports in the area. Trakowski's response is that they didn't correlate at all, being in the wrong places at the wrong times. Somehow Trakowski forgot about the nationally reported case of the so-called crashed flying saucer being confused with one of their balloons.) Duffy's story appears to be confabulated. Maybe he was asked to plant the story inside Mogul circles to go along with Ramey's weather balloon cover story. Who knows? Whatever, Duffy probably never saw a thing. Now back to Moore. What do I think of Moore? I think he is obviously also willing to cook his story when it suits his purposes, namely to advance his pet theory that his lost Mogul explains Roswell. I think he should be condemned in the strongest terms for his hoax, which just serves to further muddy the waters. On the other hand, this really isn't strong evidence against a Mogul explanation, just that one person went to extremes to advance it. Similarly, someone caught lying regarding a saucer crash does not automatically discredit that hypothesis either or other witnesses who might be telling similar stories. Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank Kaufmann. I'm trying to be fair about this. Some witnesses may be saints, some may be sinners, but most may fall somewhere in the gray zone inbetween. I try to look at each person's statements in the overall context of what is known about the case. Unfortunately, the skeptics are guilty of a double standard when it comes to witnesses. If someone like Marcel didn't dot his i's and cross his t's 100% correctly, he is branded as a pathological liar. Never mind if all major parts of his Roswell story are corroborated by others, such as Gen. Exon and Gen. Dubose. Or the fact that Gen. Ramey was praising him a year later and protesting his transfer. But I would guess Moore's various "indiscretions" will probably be ignored with a chuckle by the same people, despite very compelling evidence that he promoted a hoax. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Frits Westra <fwestra@hetnet.nl> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:35:01 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:14:54 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:47:37 -0400 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >>Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV <snip> >>I have great difficulty with this one little glitch as to the >>Shaffner tragedy. I'm a great magician myself. I can walk down >>almost any street and turn into a bar right before your eyes, >>but seriously, I really want someone to give me a scientific, >>rational and logical explanation backed up by data and evidence >>as to how Capt. Shaffner's body disappeared from a sealed >>cockpit. >Hi Wendy, >I explained this in an earlier email. He likely ditched >unintentionally, meaning he was at such a low altitude [wrong >altimiter setting] and at an attitude that allowed the >aircraft to land itself on the water. He then waited out a >rough ride and then climbed out into the water and either >drowned or more possibly died of hypothermia. The Lighteneing >went to the bottom and if it hit the bottom in a nose down >attitude the canopy slid forward, closing itself. >No UFOs just a collection of events that formed a chain that >eventually caused his death. >It hppens a great deal in aviation. If you want one famous >example, Flight 401 went into the Florida Everglades in the >same manner-all over a 50 cent light bulb. >Best >Don Ledger Hello Don, Capt Schaffner was flying an Electric Lightning F.6, which didn't have a sliding cockpit canopy. It had a hydraulic lifting mechanism. There is a picture of an F.6 (XS903) with its canopy up at the Yorkshire Air Museum: http://users.tinyworld.co.uk/rogersm/lightning_gallery.htm IMO, the lifting mechanism makes it less likely that the canopy closed on impact with the sea floor. Best Regards, Frits Westra UFO Working Group Netherlands
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Secrecy News -- 09/19/02 From: Steven Aftergood Steven <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:14:22 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:17:25 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/19/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 91 September 19, 2002 ** SECRECY CONSTRAINS 9/11 INQUIRY ** "A PENCHANT FOR SECRECY" ** SECRECY IN THE NEWS SECRECY CONSTRAINS 9/11 INQUIRY The joint House-Senate Intelligence Committee inquiry into the September 11 terrorist attacks has yielded a substantive new interim report on intelligence warnings in the months and years leading up to the attacks. But Committee members and investigators said they received uneven cooperation from executive branch agencies in acquiring and declassifying the information they need, reinforcing sentiment in favor of establishing of an independent commission of inquiry. The new report, presented to the Committee by Joint Inquiry Staff Director Eleanor Hill, provides significant new information about the volume and types of warnings collected by intelligence agencies concerning the potential for al-Qa'ida strike on American targets, as well as the agencies' responses. See the September 18 report here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/091802hill.html But Ms. Hill highlighted the refusal by Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) George J. Tenet to declassify two issues. The DCI, she said, insisted that "any references to the Intelligence Community providing information to the President" must remain classified even when the information in question has been declassified. The DCI also refused to declassify "the identity of and information on a key al-Qa'ida leader involved in the September 11 attacks... despite an enormous volume of media reporting on this individual," Ms. Hill testified. The unnamed individual is Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a Kuwaiti who has claimed responsibility as an organizer and funder for the attack. "The Joint Inquiry Staff disagrees with the DCI's position on both issues," said Ms. Hill. "We believe the American public has a compelling interest in this information and that public disclosure would not harm national security. However, we do not have independent authority to declassify intelligence information short of a lengthy procedure in the U.S. Congress." Nevertheless, congressional action to declassify the contested information remains a possibility, said Sen. Carl Levin. "I hope the [congressional] leadership will let the Administration know our committee will seek congressional authorization to declassify appropriate information if the executive branch refuses," Sen. Levin said. Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Sen. Bob Graham and vice chairman Sen. Richard Shelby have both criticized the executive branch for providing inadequate cooperation with their inquiry, and both leaders have now endorsed a separate commission inquiry into September 11, as have a number of other members. "After September 11, I opposed the creation of an independent commission, because it seemed to me the Intelligence Committees could do the job," said Sen. Arlen Specter on September 17. But "I have now come to conclude that we need an independent commission." "A PENCHANT FOR SECRECY" "This White House, this administration, has a penchant for secrecy," said Sen. Robert Byrd in his mini-filibuster on the Senate floor on September 17. For good and sufficient reason, the coinage "penchant for secrecy" is well on its way to becoming a cliche, having been used to describe the Bush Administration some 200 times in the past year. Sen. Byrd displayed a particular affinity for the phrase, using it two more times in his rambling, pathos-filled statement. See: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2002/s091702.html "I have often felt, in recent days, as if this 84-year-old man-- soon to be 85; within a few days--is the only thing standing between a White House hungry for power and the safeguards in the Constitution. That is not bragging, that is lamenting," Sen. Byrd said. SECRECY IN THE NEWS "Office of Management and Budget officials have been meeting with scientists, civil libertarians, librarians and others to gather advice on whether to limit public access to information that is 'sensitive but unclassified'," reports William Matthews in Federal Computer Week. See "OMB Weighs Info Classification," September 16: http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0916/news-omb-09-16-02.asp _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web:www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:26:02 +1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:52:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:58:35 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: Did UFO Prevent Blast At Chernobyl Nuclear Plant? >From: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/16/36691.html >Pravda.RU ( http://english.pravda.ru/ ): Top Stories: More in >detail >16:15 2002-09-16 >UFO PREVENTS BLAST AT CHERNOBYL NUCLEAR PLANT >Eyewitnesses say that they saw an UFO hovering above the >exploded reactor I searched the archive & noticed this was referenced in Updates back in Jan '98: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/jan/m24-026.shtml Amazing that it didn't get any comments only a reference in April '98: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/apr/m27-008.shtml I can't help but smile at the mental image of ET's frowning and saying: "Oh! What have they done now!" Has this sighting ever been debunked, please? Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:49:06 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:53:54 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:10 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >"The pilot's body was never recovered. Hi, Consistent with most other military unfound personnel, this case is still open, or has the MoD closed the case entirely? Who was the media spoke person at the time of this incident, and how well briefed was the national media, both paper and TV? Where can a full report of this wreckage be found, or is it still under the umbrella of Classified Documents? Roy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:33 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:18:34 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax <snip> >Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and >everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about >questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about >some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge >about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank >Kaufmann. David, List: Ah, yes. The UFOOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence for the existance of flying saucers, it must be true, even if it comes from the mouths of proven liars. Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the little men in the saucers, this is "fair". Tell me, David, what exactly would be your standard for credibility? Clear skies, Bob Young "Keep your eyes a little wide and blank" - Dr Miles Bennell's instructions on how to look like a pod person, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:17 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:22:10 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:58:17 +0200 >Subject: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >I have checked the archives and although this item is from >March last year, it hasn't been forwarded to UFO UpDates before. >An e-mail on April 19 2001 refers to a Washington Post article >that might deal with the same subject, but the link doesn't work >any longer. >Source: The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight >Center, >http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01mar_1.htm >Stig >*** >Buck Rogers, Watch Out! >NASA researchers are studying insects and birds, and using >"smart" materials with uncanny properties to develop new and >mindboggling aircraft designs. >** >[Listen to this story (requires RealPlayer)] >"Birds are so much more maneuverable than our airplanes are >today. Birds can hover, they can fly backwards and sideways. And >insects -- oh forget it! -- upside down, loop-de-loop, all sorts >of things." Anna McGowan, program manager for the Morphing >Project at NASA's Langley Research Center >** >March 1, 2001 -- The "personal aircraft" that replaces the >beloved automobile in people's garages may still lie in the >realm of science fiction or Saturday-morning cartoons, but >researchers at NASA's Langley Research Center (LaRC) are >developing exotic technologies that could bring a personal "air- >car" closer to reality. >And air-cars are just the beginning. >Self-healing wings that flex and react like living organisms, >versatile bombers that double as agile jet fighters, and swarms >of tiny unmanned aircraft are just a few of the science-fiction- >like possibilities that these next- generation technologies >could make feasible in the decades ahead. >At the core of this impending quantum leap in aerospace >technology are "smart" materials -- substances with uncanny >properties, such as the ability to bend on command, "feel" >pressure, and transform from liquid to solid when placed in a >magnetic field. <snip> Stig, and Fellow Listafarians, Interesting to note that this description of the afore mentioned event is very similar to the one of the "side-effects" of what has become known as the 'Hutchison Effect'. A brief synopsis: John Hutchison, a rather eccentric self-proclaimed inventor assembled an 'anti-gravity device' which sometime seemed to 'liquify' items he levitated with said device. When the device was shut off, the item would then 'resolidify'. (I saw the video tape, which was rather impressive). Finally, I believe the Canadian government confiscated his equipment, using some 'odd excuse' when Hutchison was trying to move his equipment to Japan, where he had found a financial backer to further his experiments. Regards, Frank
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Astronomy Almaz From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:44:51 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:27:19 -0400 Subject: Astronomy Almaz Hi Errol and List Members, I thought I would pass the following message on in case someone out there would like to take "almaz" up on his very generous offer. Unfortunately my cover has been blown and it has been revealed that UFOINFO is part of the NASA agency..... =========== From: "almaz" <almaznet@netmail.kg> Sender: almaznet@netmail.kg Reply-to: almaznet@netmail.kg To: webmaster@ufoinfo.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:41:27 -0500 Subject: astronomy Hello dear Mr XXX my name is Almaz i have found out that your NASA agency and your department is interested in sponsorship of new ideas of new practical knowledge in astrophysics and cosmic space sphere i would like to submit scientific information containing non- traditional practical knowledge about SPACE TIME and LIFE on other PLANETs taken not from EARTH devices of the 21 st century but from UFO pilots of non EARTH CIVILIZATION this knowledge differs from traditional EARTH knowledge and clears out all the DESINFORMATION about SPACE TIME and LIFE on other PLANETS taken from EARTH devicesof the 21 st century this information helps the scientists of your NASA agency to see the sSPACE and the LIFE on the other PLANETS in the new way and to construct spaceships with extraworld speeds without traditional forms and they substitute the reactive traction with the help of fuel the information is represented in the text form without technical drafts and formulac for submitting this information i am asking for sponsor help in us dollars in advance throudh western union 5000$ a month or a full sum on my bank account 21mln$$$ thank you for your attention with respect to you Almaz =========== Anybody on the List with the required funding? John Hayes webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com Official Archives for UFO Roundup, AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences, UFO + PSI Magazine plus archives of Filer's Files, Oz Files, UFO News UK and UFO Sightings Italia.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - From: Bill Hamilton <skyman22@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:09:55 UT Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:29:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - >From: Kelly Peterborough <kellymcg@attcanada.ca> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 >Subject: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm >Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 18:02 GMT 19:02 UK >Doctors create out-of-body sensations >Doctors say they have triggered out-of-body experiences in a >female patient by stimulating her brain. They believe their work >may help to explain mysterious incidents when people report >experiences of 'leaving' their body and watching it from above. >The doctors did not set out to achieve the effect - they were >actually treating the women for epilepsy. Professor Olaf Blanke >and colleagues at Geneva University Hospital in Switzerland were >using electrodes to stimulate the brain. They found that >stimulating one spot - the angular gyrus in the right cortex - > repeatedly caused out-of-body experiences (OBEs). >Initially, the stimulations caused the woman to feel she was >"sinking" into the bed, or falling from a height. When the >current amplitude was increased, she reported leaving her body. >Floating She told the doctors: "I see myself lying in bed, from >above, but I only see my legs and lower trunk." > >Further stimulations led to a feeling of lightness and >"floating" close to the ceiling. The patient was then asked to >watch her real legs as current was passed through the electrodes >attached to her head. This time she reported her legs "becoming >shorter". If bent, her legs appeared to be moving quickly >towards her face, causing her to take evasive action. A similar >effect happened when she was asked to look at her outstretched >arms. The left arm appeared shortened, but the right arm was >unaffected. If both arms were bent by 90 degrees at the elbow, >the woman felt her left lower arm and hand were moving towards >her face. The doctors believe the angular gyrus plays an >important role in matching up visual information and the brain's >touch and balance representation of the body. When the two >become dissociated, an out-body-experience may result. Writing >in the journal Nature, the Swiss team said out-of-body >experiences tended to be short-lived, and to disappear when a >person attempts to inspect the illusory body or body part. >Greater awareness >Professor Blanke told BBC News Online that out of body >sensations may be caused by an overactive angular gyrus. >Alternatively, the electrical stimulation might actually have >depressed activity in the area. He said it was impossible to >rule out possibility that other areas of the brain were also >involved. He said there was no evidence to suggest that out-of- >body experiences were linked to epilepsy. "OBEs have been >reported in neurological patients with epilepsy, migraine and >after cerebral strokes, but they also appear in healthy >subjects. "Awareness of a biological basis of OBEs might allow >some patients who suffer frequently from OBEs to talk about them >more openly. "In addition, physicians might take the phenomenon >more seriously and carry out necessary investigations such as an >EEG, MRI, and neurological examinations." >The research is published in the journal 'Nature'. The statements made by Michael Shermer on this research, a man who never practices scientific investigation himself is science by proclamation - the worse kind. The OBE has occured in patients who flatlined and were even declared brain dead. One verified case of this is enough to discard the "misfiring brain" hypothesis. The case of Pam Reynolds alone challenges the studies done by Dr. Bruce Greyson. Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the "deepest" near-death experience of all Atlanta Study participants. Yet, Pam reported accurately the conversations as well as the procedures she saw performed on her body during a new surgical technique despite the fact that her brain was not firing at all, let alone misfiring. Contrary to what Shermer thinks or says, it is really a blow to those who have identified the mind and spirit of humans as just an epiphenomena of brain states. -Bill Hamilton
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: New Book 'Alien Odyssey' - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:39:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:31:14 -0400 Subject: Re: New Book 'Alien Odyssey' - Speiser >From: John Meloney <betsyross@fcgnetworks.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:46:26 -0400 >Subject: New Book 'Alien Odyssey' >Hello List, <snip> >I have called the book 'Alien Odyssey' and am selling it for >$6.95 postage included. I don't expect to make a profit and I >didn't write it for money but I do need to get some of my >investment back. >You can order it by sending a check to me: >John Meloney >6 Chestnut Street >Claremonmt, N.H. 03743 >I'll even sign the copy. >JMM John: If you can get Ashtar to sign a copy, I'll pay $12.95 for it!! ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Bush Re-Issues Order Keeping Area 51 Secret From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:47:08 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:33:15 -0400 Subject: Bush Re-Issues Order Keeping Area 51 Secret Source: MSNBC http://www.msnbc.com/news/809766.asp Stig *** Area 51, truth seekers 0 Bush reissues order keeping Nevada site secret By Alex Johnson, MSNBC ** Sept. 18 =97 For more than four decades, an unusual alliance of mainstream lawyers, conspiracy theorists and UFO enthusiasts has tried to find out just what is going on at Groom Lake, Nev. =97 the top-security Air Force facility better known to fans of "The X-Files" as Area 51. Now they will have to wait at least another year after President Bush reissued an executive order Wednesday barring the disclosure of any information about the site. In the continuation of a drama played out every Sept. 18 since 1995, Bush signed the order to make sure that lawyers pursuing hazardous-waste claims against the Environmental Protection Agency could not get their hands on classified information about the site, which lies in the middle of a remote stretch of desert 100 miles north of Las Vegas. The government did not even acknowledge the existence of the site until the mid-1990s, when it had to begin responding to workers' claims of injuries resulting from hazardous waste practices. Even now, all the Air Force will say is that the area is used "for the testing of technologies and systems training for operations critical to the effectiveness of U.S. military forces and the security of the United States." It insists that "specific activities and operations ... both past and present, remain classified and cannot be discussed." Although exasperated government lawyers say nothing nefarious is going on at Groom Lake, they have gone to herculean lengths to make sure no one knows what is going on at Groom Lake. President Dwight Eisenhower began the process all the way back in 1955, when he issued an executive order restricting airspace over the site. Then, in 1995, President Bill Clinton raised the stakes by issuing an order clamping down on discussion or release of any information whatsoever. That was about the time attorneys for former government workers began taking their rejected medical claims to court. Those lawyers believe the government is trying to keep the site secret to avoid having to admit it mishandled hazardous materials, exposing the workers to toxic fumes when it allegedly dumped poisonous resins into open pits and burned them in the 1970s and '80s. THE ULTIMATE COVER-UP? There is another group, however, that thinks something else entirely is going on at Groom Lake =97 something spooky, something otherworldly. To this group, the site is known as Area 51, the nexus of the greatest government cover-up in history. It is, they say, where the government studies alien spaceships, where it keeps captured unidentified flying objects stored in underground bases, and where it conducts autopsies on aliens. Writers for "The X-Files" were able to dredge up numerous scripts from stories that have built up since May 1989, when a physicist named Bob Lazar told a Las Vegas television station about nine alien flying saucers he said were being held near Groom Lake by a rogue agency of the federal government. Lazar claimed that the government was studying the propulsion system of the spacecraft, which were flown to Earth from the Zeta Reticuli star system. According to Lazar, the Reticulans have been overseeing human evolution for a hundred centuries, and since they were found out, they have been cooperating with the U.S. government on a direct exchange of technology. The government, to the extent that it has commented at all, says Lazar's account is utter nonsense. More prosaically, mainstream scientists suggest, the government simply wishes to limit its liability as it establishes the Nevada Test Site at nearby Yucca Mountain as a storage repository for hazardous nuclear waste. Those alleging an extraterrestrial conspiracy say instead that Yucca Mountain was chosen precisely so federal researchers could have unfettered access to its stored nuclear energy sources via a secret underground tunnel. In any event, the government has argued that it cannot say anything about Area 51, and it has fought workers' lawyers zealously in court to keep government documents about the site sealed. One of those lawyers, Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, described the courtroom jousting with federal lawyers as "otherworldly." And every year since Clinton issued his executive order in 1995, the White House has reaffirmed the cloak of secrecy on Sept. 18. Presumably, as Agent Mulder would have it, "the truth is out there." Just don't ask the president. =A9 2002
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Whiteswan Lake, British Columbia - 07-09-02 From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:00:19 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:37:20 -0400 Subject: Whiteswan Lake, British Columbia - 07-09-02 Hi List One of the witnesses to the Whiteswan lake event, sat and wrote this, and sent it to me. Thought you all might like to have a read of it. Thank you to the witnesses for their report, and writings. Take care Brian HBCC UFO ----- This was the camping, star watching trip of our life time. We don't have to convince anyone of what we saw. We both know, we shared the experience with each other. The weather was beautiful, no clouds, no moon,the night sky was crystal clear and dense with stars. Don and I went out and floated around in our rubber dingy, star and meteor watching. We'd been out on the water for about an hour, it was probably about 12:30-1:00 am when Don pointed out a large cluster of stars. He commented "look at that bright cluster of stars". I turned, looking to the south west, and caught the cluster right away, because it stood out so obvious compared to the rest of the stars around it. Then what happened is beyond belief, four of them started to move around. My only words for the next few seemingly long seconds, as we both we're in amazement of what we were looking at was "Oh My God" "Oh My God" over and over again as we watched the four moving objects in the sky. The group first looked like an arrangement of 6 stars. Similar to the arrangement of the 6 dots on a dice.(with other smaller,dimmer,less visible stars in the cluster). The bottom 2 stayed stable and the 4 above them started to shift, move around and Could hardly believe what we were seeing, then the action started and they did maneuvers, each one maneuvering, and then returning to the formation. We fell into amazement with comments as we watched the lights, With Wow! Oh My God! Look what it Just Did! Their moving like being steered! Not in straight lines, but in curves and turns. Unbelievable speed and smooth movement/turns!!! After several of these the 2 top one's started to move upward and away. As they moved away they jogged, up and down with each other, and we watched them until they were out of our sight. They became fainter, farther away, and closer together visually. (They moved up and away to the left.) The bottom 2 during this time had been moving around and left our sight in the area we first spotted the group at. We couldn't break away from watching the 2 top ones as they jogged positions and were leaving upward. That was the last visual we recall of the bottom 2 is that they were moving around,maneuvering, spaced above the 2 actual stars, that at first seemed part of the formation. When if was over we were looking at 2 stars, all that was left of the bright formation ("of stars"???)Don pointed out to me. The maneuvers were beyond anything you could ever imagine, and as far as we know, there's nothing that we have on earth that could possibly move around like that, at that speed with the kind of movements they did. They appeared to be a great distance away, illuminated like bright stars. The next night we went back and visually targeted the 2 actual stars at the spot were we saw the cluster, so we'll know for our own future reference where it was in the sky. We saw what will be at the top of the list of our Most Unbelievable/Memorable Life time Shared Moments. Before we left we went out in our dingy, to where we saw this happen, and took a daylight landscape/sky picture. We'll mark the spots as we saw them when they caught our attention, at the 2 star location, above the mountain range. So glad we saw this together, explaining it to someone means nothing compared to actually watching the occurrence with someone and talking about it with them, as it's happening in front of your eyes. We know what we saw It was/is All So Definite and Clear And we don't have to convince anyone We have each other as our witness. Oh My God! Such An Amazing Experience.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 19 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:10 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:13:46 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Wendy asked: >I concur with most others on the List that there is absolutely >no evidence or data that would, in any way, make a case for UFO >involvement in this tragedy regarding Capt. Shaffner. >However, I have a curious mind and wonder just how a pilot, >strapped in, can be missing from a cockpit compartment that had >not been opened and recovered intact? Here is your answer, straight from the mouth of Group Captain Barwood, who was involved in the RAF Board of Inquiry into the circumstances of the accident: [To set the context, when the Lightning was recovered on the seabed at a depth of 190ft, the aircraft was almost completely intact with the canopy closed. The cockpit was empty but the seat was still inside, with the harness release box undone and the harness still in position.} Barwood: "When the aircraft was raised, it was extablished that the seat firing mechanism had been initiated, but that the cockpit canopy jettison mechanism had failed to fire. The cockpit area was completely undamaged, but the visor attachment track on the pilot's flying helmet had contacted the instrument panel. This probably had no effect on the pilot. He had accidentally flown into, or onto, the sea and the very large belly fuel tank with which the aircraft was fitted acted as a boat hull to take most of the impact load [During salvage the ventral tank and the belly of the aircraft were found to be ripped open and there was under-tail damage]. "The pilot had attempted to eject, but the canopy mechanism would not fire as the firing mechanism had been incorrectly assembled. (The breech firing mechanism of the cockpit canopy jettison system had been clamped in a vice, partially flattening the threads, so that when assembled, it was not screwed completely home, so that the firing plunger did not contact the percussion cap with sufficient energy to fire it). He then opened his cockpit canopy manually using the ordinary post- flight opening mechanism, which is hydraulically operated. He still could not eject as the inderdictor wire had not armed his seat firing mechanism. He undid his combined harness quick release box and climbed out of the cockpit. His dinghy lanyard was still connected and as he separated from the cockpit this extended - fully. At full extension it would check his upward movement, so he released it. "The pilot's body was never recovered. The cockpit canopy hydraulic pressure system slowly decayed so that the canopy closed, trapping the extended dinghy lanyard line. We did find some broken visor transparency on the cockpit floor. This would have broken when the pilots Mk. 3 helmet had hit the coaming beneath the in-flight refuelling panel and it is possible that a sharp edge cut his life preserver. We shall never know." Bear in mind the above information was available in 1997 when aviation historian Martin Bowman published his book on the English Electric Lightning (Crowood Press, Wiltshire). It is also consistent with the official line taken by the MOD in response to inquiries about the incident since at least 1992. There is nothing to suggest there was ever a 'cover-up' - this was simply a tragic accident. Dave Clarke www.flyingsaucery.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Signs Of Water On Planets Orbiting Distant Stars From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:04:23 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:53:32 -0400 Subject: Signs Of Water On Planets Orbiting Distant Stars Source: AFP via SPACEDAILY, http://spacedaily.com/news/020918180155.0lbd47ez.html Stig *** Tantalising signs of water seen on planets orbiting distant stars PARIS (AFP) Sep 18, 2002 ** Italian astronomers believe they have glimpsed water, a building block of life, in the atmosphere of planets that are light years from Earth, New Scientist says. The team reported their findings at a workshop in Austria this week, saying they had found telltale microwave emissions, called masers, that can emanate from atmospheric water when it is bathed in infrared light from a nearby star. "This would be a historic discovery -- the first detection of a prebiotic molecule in an extrasolar planet," Cristiano Cosmovici, of the Institute for Cosmic and Planetary Sciences in Rome, was quoted by the British weekly as saying. Using a 32-metre (100-feet) radio telescope near Bologna, Cosmovici's team looked for maser emissions among 17 stars that are suspected to have planetary systems or cosmic clouds. Three planetary systems are producing the emissions, they say. The best signs are coming from three planets around the star Upsilon Andromedae, located about 50 light years from Earth, that are "gas giants" like Jupiter -- huge balls of swirling gas, rather than rocky planets like Earth. There is also evidence for water, albeit weaker, from three planets that orbit two stars which are much closer to Earth: Epsilon Eridani, a Sun-like star that is 10 light- years away, and Lalande 21185, a "red dwarf" about eight light years away. The report is carried in next Saturday's issue of New Scientist. Cosmovici's research has been given a cautious welcome by the small club of astronomers who specialise in searching for "exoplanets," as planets that other solar systems are called. "This result is astonishing if it's true," exoplanet hunter Geoff Marcy at the University of California at Berkeley said. He and others noted that the existence of water did not necessarily mean that a planet was capable of hosting life, especially among gas giants likely to have no solid or liquid surface. About 100 exoplanets have been discovered so far, and the tally is rapidly increasing as astronomers craft more sophisticated techniques for detecting them and divining possible secrets about them. All rights reserved. =A9 2002 Agence France-Presse. Sections of the information displayed on this page (dispatches, photographs, logos) are protected by intellectual property rights owned by Agence France-Presse. As a consequence, you may not copy, reproduce, modify, transmit, publish, display or in any way commercially exploit any of the content of this section without the prior written consent of Agence France-Presse.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Near-Earth Objects Could Trigger Nuclear War From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:12:41 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:55:07 -0400 Subject: Near-Earth Objects Could Trigger Nuclear War Source: Air Force Print News via SPACE DAILY,D http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deepimpact-02s.html Stig *** Near-Earth Objects Pose Threat, General Says by Staff Sgt. A.J. Bosker for Air Force Print News Washington - Sep 17, 2002 ** This summer, much of the world watched as India and Pakistan faced-off over the disputed Kashmir region, worried that the showdown could escalate into a nuclear war. Coincidentally, U.S. early warning satellites detected an explosion in the Earth's atmosphere June 6, at the height of the tension, with an energy release estimated to be 12 kilotons. Fortunately the detonation, equivalent to the blast that destroyed Hiroshima, occurred over the Mediterranean Sea. However, if it had occurred at the same latitude a few hours earlier, the result on human affairs might have been much worse, said Brig. Gen. Simon P. Worden, U.S. Space Command's deputy director for operations at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo. Had the bright flash, accompanied by a damaging shock wave, occurred over India or Pakistan, the resulting panic could have sparked a nuclear war, Worden recently told members of the congressionally mandated Commission on the Future of the U. S. Aerospace Industry in testimony here. Although U.S. officials quickly determined that a meteor caused the explosion, neither India nor Pakistan have the sophisticated sensors that can determine the difference between a natural near-Earth object impact and a nuclear detonation, Worden said in written testimony. This is one of many threats posed by NEOs, especially as more and more nations acquire nuclear weapons, said Worden, who appeared before the commission as a scientist who has studied NEOs and as a space expert familiar with the technologies that can be used to address the NEO threat. In recent years, the Department of Defense has been working to provide data about asteroid strikes to nations potentially under missile attack and to the scientific community; however, it takes several weeks for the data to be released since much of it is gathered from classified systems. Worden suggested that a NEO warning center be established that can assess and release this data as soon as possible to all interested parties while ensuring sensitive data is safeguarded. He recommended to the commission that a natural impact warning clearinghouse could be formed by adding no more than 10 people to current U.S. Space Command early warning centers. This organization would catalog and provide credible warning information on future NEO impact problems, as well as rapidly provide information on the nature of an impact. In order for this clearinghouse to provide accurate information, NEOs must first be detected, cataloged and their orbits defined. Current ground-based systems are already cataloging large kilometer- sized objects but have a difficult time finding smaller NEOs. Most sail by the earth unnoticed until they have passed, he said. "Just about everyone knows of the 'dinosaur killer' asteroids," Worden said. "These are objects, a few kilometers across, that strike on time scales of tens of millions of years. While the prospect of such strikes grabs people's attention and makes great catastrophe movies, too much focus on these events has been counterproductive. We need to focus our energies on the smaller, more immediate threats." The smaller strikes, while not exactly commonplace, have occurred on several occasions over the past century, with potentially devastating results, he said. "An object probably less than 100 meters in diameter struck Tunguska in Siberia in 1908, releasing the energy equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear blast," Worden said. "In 1996, our satellite sensors detected a burst over Greenland equal to a 100-kiloton yield. Had any of these struck over a populated area, perhaps hundreds of thousands might have perished." An even worse catastrophe would be an ocean impact near a heavily populated shore by one of these Tunguska-sized objects. "The resulting tidal wave could inundate shorelines for hundreds of miles and potentially kill millions," Worden explained. "There are hundreds of thousands of objects this size that come near the Earth," he said. "We know the orbits of just a few. New space- surveillance systems capable of scanning the entire sky every few days are needed. They could enable us to completely catalog and warn of objects (less than 100 meters in diameter)." According to Worden, this does not mean other groups, in particular the international scientific community, should not continue their independent efforts. But the United States is likely, for the foreseeable future, to have most of the required sensors to do this job. He added that DOD has the discipline and continuity to ensure consistent, long-term focus. "I believe various aspects related to NEO impacts, including the possibility that an impact would be misidentified as a nuclear attack, are critical national and international security issues," he said. "The focus of NEO mitigation efforts should shift to smaller objects. The near-term threats are much more likely to come from these 'small' objects, and we might be able to divert such objects without (resorting) to nuclear devices." 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 US Approves First Commercial Lunar Flight From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:21:18 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:56:11 -0400 Subject: US Approves First Commercial Lunar Flight Source: Press release from TransOrbital, Inc. http://www.transorbital.net/PressReleases/press020828.html Stig *** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 22 August 02 SAN DIEGO, CA, USA LANDMARK DECISION CLEARS WAY FOR FIRST COMMERCIAL LUNAR FLIGHT ** TransOrbital, Inc. has become the first private company in the history of space flight to win approval from the U.S. government to explore, photograph, and land on the moon. The company expects to launch its Trailblazer Mission from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan within the next 9-12 months. The approvals and licensing by the U.S. State Department and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) position TransOrbital as the only company presently authorized by the U.S. Government to return to the moon. Once launched, the Trailblazer will provide stunning, high- definition (HDTV) video and maps of the lunar surface (at 1 meter resolution), as well as new images of earth-rises over lunar craters. Additionally, the Trailblazer mission should provide the opportunity to view the equipment left behind from past Apollo and Russian landings. The mission will culminate with the delivery of a time capsule containing personal cargo from Earth (such as messages and photographs), and a final "barnstorming" video as the probe impacts the lunar service. The media collected during the mission will provide TransOrbital with an array of content vital to future scientific and exploratory endeavors, as well as educational and entertainment uses. "We're not returning to the moon simply to explore=85 we're returning because there are true opportunities there - true revenue streams," said Dennis Laurie, TransOrbital CEO. The regulatory approval is a significant hurdle for commercial space enterprises, as they must satisfy a number of design requirements and directives. For TransOrbital, the process took two years to complete. "TransOrbital has the technology, the desire - and now we have the licensing," said Laurie. "It's a significant moment for our company, and a significant development for all of aerospace. People soon get to experience the moon in ways they never imagined." About TransOrbital, Inc. (www.transorbital.net) TransOrbital Inc. is a privately owned supplier of aerospace design and analysis services, spacecraft and commercial space missions. Established in 1998, TransOrbital is the first company of its kind authorized by the U.S. government to photograph, explore, and land on the Lunar surface. The 2001 Trailblazer spacecraft's primary missions are to return HDTV video and other multimedia content from lunar orbit to market as commercial products, as well as the delivery of both personal and commercial cargo to the Moon. We're going to the Moon-Come join us! Point of Contact: TransOrbital may be reached at: Tel: 858-455-5900 or 703-960-5953 Fax: 858-455-5979 or 603-619-5538 E-mail: at dlaurie@transorbital.net. Further information may be found at the TransOrbital website http://www.transorbital.net.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 07:57:56 -0400 Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 The Bexleyheath area is part of Bromley in East London. I tried to locate the September 4 story in the archives of 'thisisLocalLondon,' but didn't succeed. I'm still looking, though. Stig *** Source: NEWSSHOPPER via the 'thisisLOCAL LONDON' network http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/bromley/display.var.625555.index.0.html September 16, 2002 this is LOCAL LONDON 'Our 1950s X-Files experience' ** More than 47 years ago, an unidentified flying object was spotted in the Bexleyheath area by several people. Now a former policeman is doing research on the sightings. LINDA PIPER investigates ... TWO Bexley men, both now in their 60s, have recently been reliving their own X-Files experiences from their childhood. Rodney Maynard, from Belvedere, who is now 62, has contacted the News Shopper to reveal he was one of the youngsters who saw the UFO featured in our September 4 edition. Retired policeman John Hanson, from the West Midlands, was appealing for a group of children who saw the craft land in the King Harold's Way area of Bexleyheath in 1955 to get in touch with him, as he is researching the incident for a book. Mr Maynard was 15 at the time and was working as a labourer on a building site in nearby Streamway. He remembers the incident vividly. "We were on our lunchbreak when we heard something was happening in King Harold's Way. So we went up there to have a look. "This thing had landed in the roadway. It took up the whole width of the road and overlapped onto the pavements. "It wasn't on the ground, it had about eight massive suckers . The centre was still, but the outer rim was spinning slowly and it had white lights flashing, like a camera flash," he recalled. "There were about 30 of us staring at it. We could hear it humming. "It had what looked like windows but the glass was concave and moulded together so you couldn't see in. A couple of us went forward to try and touch it and it began to spin faster. "Then it lifted slowly off the ground and hovered above our heads, tilting slightly." The craft moved slowly until it was over Bedonwell Primary School, where it stayed for about a minute, then shot up into the sky and disappeared. Mr Maynard, whose 16-year-old brother also saw the craft said: "It was black, sleek and streamlined with a surface like polished metal. It was very fine and beautiful. It certainly wasn't a prank." He went on: "I have never forgotten it but I don't talk about it because people would think you were barmy. "We used to talk about it among ourselves but our mums kept telling us we hadn't seen anything." As well as his brother, Mr Maynard listed several other pals who were also there "Ron Deadman, Tony Savin, Vic Clarke, Tommy Staggs, we were all there." Ken Fairman knows just how he feels. Mr Fairman, from Bexleyheath, says he saw a very similar craft with his pal Roy Beadle three years before, in 1952. They were out walking Ray's dog at an old farmstead in Bexleyheath known as The Warren (now the Warren Road area). "It was late afternoon. We had just come home from Bexleyheath School and we had Ray's young border collie with us. We saw it come down and hover about 18ft above the ground. There was no noise at all. We threw ourselves down on the ground and watched it. The dog which was young and usually lively, lay down between us. We lost all track of time. "It was about 20 or 30ft wide, with terrifically bright white lights underneath. It looked very similar to the drawing in your September 4 issue. Then it shot off and disappeared from view before you could click your fingers. "I could still take you to the exact spot. I don't know how long we watched for but I got told off for being late home for tea. I told my parents but they thought I was crackers." ** 16:14 Monday 16th September 2002 =A9 Copyright 2002 Newsquest Media Group - A Gannett Company
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:43:58 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:00:23 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >>From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:47:37 -0400 >>Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV >>>From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:57 -0600 >>>Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV <snip> >>>I have great difficulty with this one little glitch as to the >>>Shaffner tragedy. I'm a great magician myself. I can walk down >>>almost any street and turn into a bar right before your eyes, >>>but seriously, I really want someone to give me a scientific, >>>rational and logical explanation backed up by data and evidence >>>as to how Capt. Shaffner's body disappeared from a sealed >>>cockpit. >>Hi Wendy, >>I explained this in an earlier email. He likely ditched >>unintentionally, meaning he was at such a low altitude [wrong >>altimiter setting] and at an attitude that allowed the >>aircraft to land itself on the water. He then waited out a >>rough ride and then climbed out into the water and either >>drowned or more possibly died of hypothermia. The Lighteneing >>went to the bottom and if it hit the bottom in a nose down >>attitude the canopy slid forward, closing itself. >>No UFOs just a collection of events that formed a chain that >>eventually caused his death. >>It hppens a great deal in aviation. If you want one famous >>example, Flight 401 went into the Florida Everglades in the >>same manner-all over a 50 cent light bulb. >>Best >>Don Ledger >Hello Don, >Capt Schaffner was flying an Electric Lightning F.6, which >didn't have a sliding cockpit canopy. It had a hydraulic lifting >mechanism. >There is a picture of an F.6 (XS903) with its canopy up at the >Yorkshire Air Museum: http://users.tinyworld.co.uk/rogersm/lightning_gallery.htm >IMO, the lifting mechanism makes it less likely that the canopy >closed on impact with the sea floor. >Best Regards, >Frits Westra >UFO Working Group Netherlands Hi list and Frits, The key part here is what David Clarke mentions in his post from Gp. Captain Barwood, who was involved in the investigation of the XS894 crash. He states that: The cockpit canopy hydraulic pressure system slowly decayed so that the canopy closed, trapping the extended dinghy lanyard line. Verbatim. A simple act of gravity and pressure. This is mentioned in English Electric Lightning by Martin W. Bowman, but we also have other confirmation from equally and more pertinent sources about this incident. Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' From: Colm Kelleher <nids@anv.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:27:30 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:02:30 -0400 Subject: 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' Mystery Stalks the Prairie: The full e-book is freely available online on the NIDS web site at: http://www.nidsci.org/whatsnew.html. 1975-1977 was a period of frequent reports of UFO sightings around the United States. 1975-1977 also coincided with a peak in reports of a phenomenon known as animal mutilation. The community around Great Falls, Montana was no exception to this nationwide trend. However, two features about Great Falls are of interest. The first is that Great Falls was (and is) home to Malmstrom Air Force Base (MAFB). MAFB and its surrounding area was an integral part of the nation s missile launching capability during the Cold War with 221 Minuteman III missile silos. The base functioned as an important section of the entire Northern Tier early warning system for incoming Soviet missiles. The second atypical feature about Great Falls was an unusually open-minded and energetic sheriff s captain. Captain Keith Wolverton was prepared to go the extra mile in investigating UFOs, animal mutilations and other anomalous happenings in the area. Wolverton s energy and dedication were instrumental in alerting the people of Cascade County, and nearby Teton County, that if they reported UFOs, animal mutilations or unidentified flying lights, they would not be ridiculed and their reports would not be trivialized. This unusual openness apparently permeated most of the sheriff s department. As a result of a lot of community outreach by Wolverton and his colleagues, an open and accepting atmosphere in Cascade and Teton Counties towards coming forward with reports was created. Further, according to testimony from local people around Great Falls, an ad hoc team of local veterinarians was assembled by Wolverton. These veterinarians performed full necropsies on many of the mutilated animals in the area, often at no charge. Thus, the investigation by qualified veterinarians who had a background in pathology contributed substantially to the quality of the animal mutilation investigations. Captain Wolverton allowed NIDS full access to his original papers and files detailing the investigations that he carried out on behalf of the Cascade County sheriff s department in 1975-1977. NIDS published a summary and statistical analysis of this extraordinary database in 2001. See http://198.63.56.18/pdf/wolverton_report.pdf . The data in these files comprise an unprecedented and detailed picture of a wave of anomalous activity within a 40-mile radius of Great Falls and MAFB. Captain Wolverton s files comprised the original police blotters, original memoranda and original photo negatives detailing the department s investigations into 192 UFO and unknown helicopter sightings, and 67 reports of animal mutilations, the vast majority happening within a forty miles radius of MAFB. Captain Wolverton and coauthor Roberta Donovan wrote a book in 1976 about his experiences investigating these anomalies. The book quickly became a classic. The book is now out of print. NIDS is now publishing Mystery Stalks the Prairie as a service (free of charge) to those with an interest in the history of the animal mutilation phenomenon. The entire book can be found at: http://www.nidsci.org/whatsnew.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' From: Colm Kelleher <nids@anv.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:27:30 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:03:30 -0400 Subject: 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' Mystery Stalks the Prairie: The full e-book is freely available online on the NIDS web site at: http://www.nidsci.org/whatsnew.html. 1975-1977 was a period of frequent reports of UFO sightings around the United States. 1975-1977 also coincided with a peak in reports of a phenomenon known as animal mutilation. The community around Great Falls, Montana was no exception to this nationwide trend. However, two features about Great Falls are of interest. The first is that Great Falls was (and is) home to Malmstrom Air Force Base (MAFB). MAFB and its surrounding area was an integral part of the nation s missile launching capability during the Cold War with 221 Minuteman III missile silos. The base functioned as an important section of the entire Northern Tier early warning system for incoming Soviet missiles. The second atypical feature about Great Falls was an unusually open-minded and energetic sheriff s captain. Captain Keith Wolverton was prepared to go the extra mile in investigating UFOs, animal mutilations and other anomalous happenings in the area. Wolverton s energy and dedication were instrumental in alerting the people of Cascade County, and nearby Teton County, that if they reported UFOs, animal mutilations or unidentified flying lights, they would not be ridiculed and their reports would not be trivialized. This unusual openness apparently permeated most of the sheriff s department. As a result of a lot of community outreach by Wolverton and his colleagues, an open and accepting atmosphere in Cascade and Teton Counties towards coming forward with reports was created. Further, according to testimony from local people around Great Falls, an ad hoc team of local veterinarians was assembled by Wolverton. These veterinarians performed full necropsies on many of the mutilated animals in the area, often at no charge. Thus, the investigation by qualified veterinarians who had a background in pathology contributed substantially to the quality of the animal mutilation investigations. Captain Wolverton allowed NIDS full access to his original papers and files detailing the investigations that he carried out on behalf of the Cascade County sheriff s department in 1975-1977. NIDS published a summary and statistical analysis of this extraordinary database in 2001. See http://198.63.56.18/pdf/wolverton_report.pdf . The data in these files comprise an unprecedented and detailed picture of a wave of anomalous activity within a 40-mile radius of Great Falls and MAFB. Captain Wolverton s files comprised the original police blotters, original memoranda and original photo negatives detailing the department s investigations into 192 UFO and unknown helicopter sightings, and 67 reports of animal mutilations, the vast majority happening within a forty miles radius of MAFB. Captain Wolverton and coauthor Roberta Donovan wrote a book in 1976 about his experiences investigating these anomalies. The book quickly became a classic. The book is now out of print. NIDS is now publishing Mystery Stalks the Prairie as a service (free of charge) to those with an interest in the history of the animal mutilation phenomenon. The entire book can be found at: http://www.nidsci.org/whatsnew.html
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:45:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:15:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - >From: Kelly Peterborough <kellymcg@attcanada.ca> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 >Subject: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm >Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 18:02 GMT 19:02 UK >Doctors create out-of-body sensations >Doctors say they have triggered out-of-body experiences in a >female patient by stimulating her brain. They believe their work >may help to explain mysterious incidents when people report >experiences of 'leaving' their body and watching it from above. <snip> Greetings Kelly! They "believe" their work "may help" to explain... Any new thinking or research on out-of-body experiences, or other mysteries such as UFOs, is always welcome as long as certain key facts or difficult to integrate data are not overlooked because they conflict with ones beliefs. As an example of what I mean, I will tell you of an out-of-body experience reported to me by my friend Jim. Jim left his body, which he could clearly see, and floated upwards through the ceiling to the roof of his house (not unlike some abductees who also claim to have passed through closed windows or solid walls). While sitting on the roof he admired a unique view of his neighbourhood which he had never seen before. This experience was very real to him, not like a dream. Before he returned to his body, he noticed many things up there including a ball and an arrow in the eavestrough along the edge of his roof. Being a very curious person and wanting determine if what he experienced was real or imagined, he got a ladder and climbed to the same place on his roof. Not only was he surprised at seeing the same views of his neighbourhood he saw during his out-of-body experience but he also found the same ball and arrow in the eavestrough! Was Jim's out-of-body experience the result of some simulation of his brain? If so, how would Jim have known about the ball and arrow in his roof's eavestrough which he wasn't aware of prior to his experience? The ball and arrow were not his or belonged to anyone he knew. [Add your own eerie sounding sound effects here] Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5@houston.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:06:28 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:33:06 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:33 EDT >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax ><snip> >>Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and >>everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about >>questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about >>some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge >>about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank >>Kaufmann. >David, List: >Ah, yes. The UFOOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence >for the existance of flying saucers, it must be true, even if it >comes from the mouths of proven liars. >Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the >little men in the saucers, this is "fair". >Tell me, David, what exactly would be your standard for >credibility? It still amazes me that someone can cut and paste the comments of another person and then pretend to paraphrase them in a way that obviously has nothing to do with what the first person actually said. But I really shouldn't be amazed; I've seen this sort of crappola countless times before. Cheap insults are always lot less bother than doing any actual work of the sort that Rudiak has done. >"Keep your eyes a little wide and blank" - Dr Miles Bennell's >instructions on how to look like a pod person, Invasion of the >Body Snatchers (1956) An apt sig for a post that could well have been written by one of the Pod People.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:57:31 +1000 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:35:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - Acres >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm Yeah & Bob Young is really an Alien working for the Gubbermint too! ;) Siriusly though, I think it was Bill Chalker[?], who recounted a tale from the 50's or 60's[?], of a US attempt to fund a ufology group here in Oz. They wanted raw reports & editorial rights in return. The group declined their generous offer! One would suppose that these days, thanks to the 'net, they just appoint skeptibunkers to join lists such as this! :) Regards, Dave From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:57:31 +1000 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >From: J B Michaels <jbmichaels@hotmail.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:53:12 -0700 >Subject: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I was not surprised when I found this on the net: >http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm Yeah & Bob Young is really an Alien working for the Gubbermint too! ;) Siriusly though, I think it was Bill Chalker[?], who recounted a tale from the 50's or 60's[?], of a US attempt to fund a ufology group here in Oz. They wanted raw reports & editorial rights in return. The group declined their generous offer! One would suppose that these days, thanks to the 'net, they just appoint skeptibunkers to join lists such as this! :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:15:27 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:33 EDT >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax <snip> >>Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and >>everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about >>questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about >>some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge >>about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank >>Kaufmann. >Ah, yes. The UFOOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence >for the existance of flying saucers, it must be true, even if it >comes from the mouths of proven liars. >Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the >little men in the saucers, this is "fair". >Tell me, David, what exactly would be your standard for >credibility? Ah, yes. The SKEPTOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence for the existance [sic] of Mogul balloons at the Foster Ranch, it must be true, even if it comes from the mouths of proven liars. Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the crash dummies from the future, this is "fair". Tell me, Bob, what exactly would be your standard for credibility? David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5@houston.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:13:54 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:39:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0400 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >I guess the South Park movie of a couple of years ago had it >correct: >Blame it all on the Canadians! It's no wonder that the Canadian TV guy who does interviews with 'Americans On The Street' got so many affirmative answers to the question: "Should Bush bomb Saskatchewan?" A pre-emptive strike is clearly in order. If you can't trust 'em, bomb 'em!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:45:25 EDT Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:41:40 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:53:39 EDT >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: Re: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: New on Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:43:43 -0700 >>>Based on debates I had with Bruce Hutchinson last June, on >>>UpDates, concerning Charles Moore's so-called 'calculation' of >>>how his lost Mogul Flight #4 ended up at the Foster Ranch, I >>>have added a new section to my Roswell Proof Web site critically >>>analyzing Moore's model. >>Bravo on an excellent web site. Gee, the usually loud, blow hard >>skeptics are strangely silent..... :) >>Bottom line is to have Roswell/mogel in perspective you have at >>the very, very best a theory that is 17 miles short and from >>what you have uncovered a theory that was bogus and hodge podged >>together to come up with a set of facts. >>My guess is your information will get little or now attention in >>the Skeptical Inquirer, nor will the usually host of mogelites >>and supporters be offering anything. Somehow that is not a big >>surprise... >Robert, >This does raise an interesting dilemma for skeptics who are used >to branding "pro-Roswell" witnesses as hoaxers and using this as >"evidence" against a saucer crash. Furthermore absolutely >_everything_ any of these witnesses says is considered to have >no credibility. Now that the credibility and analysis of Moore's data has been proven to be bogus, the skeptibunkers probably won't want to address any of the issues, instead focusing on some other area or point. By the skeptibunker standard any witness that provided a bogus, or later to be proven bogus story or data, credibility goes down to zero. By skeptibunker logic, then Charles Moore is in the same league as Frank Kaufman The skeptibunkers are like the gulliable believers. When the story is proven to be bogus, they still point their fingers and wave their arms. In the case of gulliable believers it may be to an aircraft landing lights as proof of an ET ship. To the skeptibunkers its to Mogel as proof no ship landed. When you point out the facts, both just move on to something else and don't want to talk about it anymore. >So, e.g., since Glenn Dennis' "Nurse X" doesn't seem to exist >(at least, not by the name he gave), this has been used to >completely discredit Dennis and all parts of his story, such as >receiving calls from the base about caskets and body >preservation techniques and getting threatened at the base >hospital. >By the same logic, since Charles Moore is now a proven hoaxer, >does this discredit the Mogul hypothesis? How about other of >Moore's statements about Project Mogul? Was there really a >"flower tape," e.g.? Did Roswell base really know nothing about >Mogul? (Moore seems to have altered a graphic in his book and >lied in a recent e-mail to advance this position as well. >Ironically Moore's book is called "UFO Crash at Roswell -- The >Genesis of a Modern Myth." Moore seems to enjoy creating a few >myths of his own.) The skeptibunkers will somehow rationalize it away, or won't want to talk about it, instead focusing on UFO standards of proof. >Because Moore is obviously willing to lie, will he now be >permanently banned from all UFO discussions, unfit to share the >stage with? By skeptibunker logic every time the name comes up, somebody should instantly mention how his story was proven to be bogus, how the information he provided was misleading and designed to fit around one explaination that is wrong etc etc. >Moore isn't the only Mogul person who seems guilty of cooking up >a tale to discredit the flying disk story. See my summary of the >Duffy/Trakowski story, which might be another hoax by two of the >former Mogul project directors. >http://roswellproof.homestead.com/RoswellSummary11.html >In this little fable, used as one of the cornerstones of the >AF's 1995 report debunking Roswell, Col. Trakowski claimed Col. >Duffy, his predecessor at Mogul, called him on the phone a few >days later. Supposedly someone had flown the debris from New >Mexico to Wright Field, brought it to Duffy's home, and Duffy >absolutely identified it as being from Project Mogul. After >relating this to Trakowski, Trakowski claimed they both had a >good laugh over the foolishness of the Roswell people for not >being able to ID a radar reflector. >There are 3 big problems with this story. One is a recently >found telegram from a news reporter that indicates Duffy was in >New Jersey near Mogul headquarters, not at Wright Field. How >could he ID debris at his home if he wasn't there? Skeptibunkers and mogelites would never let the facts get in the way, after all they have already fingered Mogel as the explaination. >Second, in two letters to Robert Todd just before he died, Duffy >gave a very ambiguous description of what he supposedly saw, >even saying he didn't know exactly what it was, very odd >statements considering that Duffy was one of the inventors of >the very radar target that Gen. Ramey displayed as the crash >object. And third, with Project Mogul being very fastidious >about keeping records about their flights, Trakowski seemed to >make no note of the ultimate fate of one of their balloons. Flight 4 is a very convient explaination for Mogelites and skeptibunkers even though it has more problems then some of the Roswell witnesses. >(I could also add that a year and half later, Project Grudge >requested that Trakowski correlate their balloon flights with >reported UFO reports in the area. Trakowski's response is that >they didn't correlate at all, being in the wrong places at the >wrong times. Somehow Trakowski forgot about the nationally >reported case of the so-called crashed flying saucer being >confused with one of their balloons.) Interesting >Duffy's story appears to be confabulated. Maybe he was asked to >plant the story inside Mogul circles to go along with Ramey's >weather balloon cover story. Who knows? Whatever, Duffy probably >never saw a thing. >Now back to Moore. What do I think of Moore? I think he is >obviously also willing to cook his story when it suits his >purposes, namely to advance his pet theory that his lost Mogul >explains Roswell. I think he should be condemned in the >strongest terms for his hoax, which just serves to further muddy >the waters. Where are the skeptibunkers who would be on the band wagon to label a story, now proven to be bogus, a hoax, mis-identification etc etc? >On the other hand, this really isn't strong evidence against a >Mogul explanation, just that one person went to extremes to >advance it. Similarly, someone caught lying regarding a saucer >crash does not automatically discredit that hypothesis either or >other witnesses who might be telling similar stories. Agreed. However to the skeptibunkers it discredits they whole ET hypothesis, at least in their minds. >Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and >everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about >questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about >some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge >about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank >Kaufmann. I would suspect that the initial story told by many of the Roswell witnesses represents what they saw/heard in 1947. After they have been interviewed 30 times by 30 different people I am sure some of the story can get confusing, even to them. Other witness just added on crap (say the alleged and so called jewel encrusted ET helmet) for whatever the reason, fame money or whatever. >I'm trying to be fair about this. Some witnesses may be saints, >some may be sinners, but most may fall somewhere in the gray >zone inbetween. I try to look at each person's statements in the >overall context of what is known about the case. >Unfortunately, the skeptics are guilty of a double standard when >it comes to witnesses. If someone like Marcel didn't dot his i's >and cross his t's 100% correctly, he is branded as a >pathological liar. Never mind if all major parts of his Roswell This is so true. >story are corroborated by others, such as Gen. Exon and Gen. >Dubose. Or the fact that Gen. Ramey was praising him a year >later and protesting his transfer. >But I would guess Moore's various "indiscretions" will probably >be ignored with a chuckle by the same people, despite very >compelling evidence that he promoted a hoax. The skeptibunkers and Mogelites will not want to address any of this, will ignore it to death for the most part, unless of course people keep pointing it out to them. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: David Clarke <cd292@crazydiamonds.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:04:17 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:43:07 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@ntlworld.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:49:06 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV Roy asked: >Consistent with most other military unfound personnel, this case >is still open, or has the MoD closed the case entirely? The case is closed, as the cause of the accident was ascertained by the Board of Inquiry investigation. >Who was the media spoke person at the time of this incident, and >how well briefed was the national media, both paper and TV? There was no specific media spokesperson, just the MOD press office. Remember, in 1970 this was not a 'UFO' case, simply an accident. The UFO connotations did not surface until the Grimsby Telegraph story in 1992. In 1970 local newspapers carried reports of the loss, and the search for the wreckage. Gary Anthony has copies of these cuttings. >Where can a full report of this wreckage be found, or is it >still under the umbrella of Classified Documents? BBC North have a copy of the BOI report, and I expect it will soon be released to interested researchers who apply under Code of Practice. Eventually it should be available at the Public Record Office. Dave Clarke www.flyingsaucery.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Hurricane Watch! From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:44:30 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:44:19 -0400 Subject: Hurricane Watch! Hello all you weatherbugs, Off topic I know, but there is a large hurricane passing the Western tip of Cuba, which may threaten the US anywhere along the Gulf Coast. Here is a satellite map of Water Vapor concentrations. Note the blob of moisture south of western Cuba, and East of the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico: http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_east.html That part of Cuba is prime tobacco growing country. 20 to 30 inches of rain are predicted for some parts, fortunately the farmers have not planted their crops yet. The URL below is the most comprehensive I have found for Atlantic hurricanes so far, lots of good links. http://www.moreweather.com/tropics/ Scroll down and look for Hurricane Isidore. One link provided is a map of strike probabilities, shown in colors. As of 0030 hrs PST Friday, it looks like Isidore is headed generally toward Louisiana: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT10/AL1002P.GIF Many/most of these pages are updated every hour or two. Best wishes - Larry Hatch = = = =
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:24:13 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:46:23 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax <snip> >Now back to Moore. What do I think of Moore? I think he is >obviously also willing to cook his story when it suits his >purposes, namely to advance his pet theory that his lost Mogul >explains Roswell. I think he should be condemned in the >strongest terms for his hoax, which just serves to further muddy >the waters. >On the other hand, this really isn't strong evidence against a >Mogul explanation, just that one person went to extremes to >advance it. Similarly, someone caught lying regarding a saucer >crash does not automatically discredit that hypothesis either or >other witnesses who might be telling similar stories. Hello David By the way, I revealed a new testimony on Roswell, in my message of Sept 17. I would like to have your comment on it. I am personally convinced of its authenticity. Here it is again, with permission of EBK : It is from a man, interested in UFOs, that I have known for several years, but who revealed his story only recently to me and rather confidentialy (he kept it to himself over many years because of the many French UFO skeptics, and still does not want to give his name publicly, because he has a job of management here in Paris). In 1972, he was with an American family, in Santa Monica, CA. He was then 23 years old. In May 1972, the family went to New Mexico on a vacation trip. As the father knew of the interest of my friend for UFOs, he visited an old friend in Roswell, who had been a technician at the Roswell base in 1947 and who retired there. This man confirmed that he had participated in the retrieval of a crashed UFO, near Roswell. It was during the night and he did not know the exact place of the crash. He recalls it was close to a heap of rocks. He saw the UFO, and noticed from a distance that there were corpses in body bags, and one body on a stretcher. The military had surrounded the site with tarpaulins fixed on pegs, and were taking pictures of the place, lighted by projectors, under different angles. And now comes the critical point. He had learned that the craft had collided with a balloon train, coming from Alamogordo, during a storm! Balloon debris had been found together with the UFO debris. The family and my friend were to go to Albuquerque to see a gathering of hot air balloons. The witness joked that the balloons would not be tied together like the balloon train. His description of the site bears some resemblance to the testimony of Frank Kaufmann, and I wondered if he was the man. I showed my friend the video "We Were There", with Kaufmann and Shirkey, but he did not recognize him at all. He recalls that the witness was rather tall, slim, and with dark, thin hair. If you want a direct confirmation of this story, I will pass your request and questions to my friend via e-mail and he will answer you privately. I am convinced that this is sincere and truthfull testimony. Unfortunately, he does not remember the name and exact address of the American family. Is this compatible with what is known today of the Mogul balloon flight trajectories and dates, bearing in mind that this alleged collision could have taken place a some distance of the known site(s), and at an unknown date? Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 20 Magic Circle From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:53:58 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:53:58 -0400 Subject: Magic Circle http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/page.cfm?objectid=3D12210142&method=3Dfull= &siteid=3D89488 Magic Circle Sep 19 2002 Gang admits to field stunt - and every other 'mystery' appearance Jill Stark THE men behind the Richard and Judy crop circle yesterday confirmed what we all knew - it was a publicity stunt. And paranormal experts will be gutted to learn Rod Dickinson and John Lundberg have confessed to almost every "unexplained" crop circle in Britain. After the chat show stars' faces appeared in a field near Edinburgh it was obvious aliens were not to blame. And the Record can reveal the annual crop circle phenomenon is a sham. Channel 4 gave a team of hoaxers =A35000 in a desperate bid to plug the chat show hosts' new teatime programme. Farmer Steven Barr is believed to have pocketed =A31000 for the use of his field. It took just over six hours to create the image of the TV couple in a Balerno field. Rod Dickinson of Circlemakers, a London-based collective of artists and designers, said they were approached by programme makers. He believes Mel Gibson's latest blockbuster Signs - a sci-fi thriller about crop circles - has captured the public's imagination. He said: "People seem to want this sort of thing at the moment, it's the latest strain in advertising. It could be to do with the movie Signs. It has given what we do a lot of publicity. It's quite an expensive way to get publicity. We had to fly six people up to Scotland to work on it and the farmer has to be paid as well. In the past we have done crop circles for companies like Orange and Weetabix. "This one took us about six hours and we were surprised no one found out locally. There were planes and gliders overhead all day because there's an airfield nearby." Advertising work allows Dickinson and partner John Lundberg to fund the "covert" side of their business. Every summer elaborate crop circles mysteriously appear in fields across Britain. The work is always carried out at night usually without the farmers' knowledge. Sci-fi enthusiasts maintain the strange formations are proof we are not alone in the universe. But Circlemakers admit they make careers out of fooling the public. Dickinson has been sneaking into fields for 11 years and says there is no mystery behind the practice. He said: "All the big crop circles that have captured people's imagination over the past few years were made by us. "They are made covertly. We don't tell the farmer. It's all done in complete darkness using no lights. It's art with mass participation. It's about making something that generates myths and folklore. It's about people who have dedicated a lot of time to working out how to make these complex, beautiful things. We've been very public for six to seven years about what we have done. We let cameras film us in the act, but the next year everyone has forgotten. "There's a willingness on people's part to buy into the myths. People don't want to hear that it's not true." Team member Matthew Lawrence, 30, said the Edinburgh job had been a great success. He said: "It takes meticulous planning. They are designed on computer and the dimensions are taken into the field with us. "The crops are simply flattened with boards. Farmers can pick up everything we flatten so there is no damage at all."
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:28:39 +1000 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:56:35 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:17 -0700 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:58:17 +0200 >>Subject: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>I have checked the archives and although this item is from >>March last year, it hasn't been forwarded to UFO UpDates before. >>An e-mail on April 19 2001 refers to a Washington Post article >>that might deal with the same subject, but the link doesn't work >>any longer. >>Source: The Science Directorate at NASA's Marshall Space Flight >>Center, >>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01mar_1.htm >>Stig ><snip> >Stig, and Fellow Listafarians, >Interesting to note that this description of the afore mentioned >event is very similar to the one of the "side-effects" of what >has become known as the 'Hutchison Effect'. >A brief synopsis: >John Hutchison, a rather eccentric self-proclaimed inventor >assembled an 'anti-gravity device' which sometime seemed to >'liquify' items he levitated with said device. When the device >was shut off, the item would then 'resolidify'. (I saw the video >tape, which was rather impressive). >Finally, I believe the Canadian government confiscated his >equipment, using some 'odd excuse' when Hutchison was trying to >move his equipment to Japan, where he had found a financial >backer to further his experiments. More on the interesting subject of Hutchinson here: http://www.altenergy.org/3/new_energy/zero_point_and_other/hutchinson/hutchi nson.html Regards Dave.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Magic Circle - White From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:54:36 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:59:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Magic Circle - White >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:54:48 -0400 >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Magic Circle >Source: The Daily Record - Glasgow Scotland >http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/page.cfm?objectid=12210142&method=full&sitei d=89488 >Magic Circle >Sep 19 2002 >Gang admits to field stunt - and every other 'mystery' >appearance >Jill Stark >THE men behind the Richard and Judy crop circle yesterday >confirmed what we all knew - it was a publicity stunt. >And paranormal experts will be gutted to learn Rod Dickinson and >John Lundberg have confessed to almost every "unexplained" crop >circle in Britain. <snip> As a former member of a survey crew and lifetime engineer thoroughly familiar with mensuration, as well as someone with a pair of eyes and experience trudging around in tall grass at night, I have a one word response: _Crock!_ Eleanor White
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Journals For Sale From: Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:07:43 +0200 (CEST) Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:27:21 -0400 Subject: Journals For Sale The following journals are offered for sale (please write privately): INTERSTELLAR STUDIES. JOURNAL OF THE BRITISH INTERPLANETARY SOCIETY (JBIS) Neat, hard-cover binding. 1st book: From Volume 30, No 3, 1977 to Volume 31, No 11, 1978 2nd book: From Volume 32, No 3, 1979 to Volume 33, No 11, 1980 3rd book: From Volume 34, No 3, 1981 to Volume 35, No 11, 1982 Plus spare issues of JBIS: Vol 29, Nos 7 and 8, July-August 1976 Vol 29, No 10, October 1976 Vol 29, No 12, December 1976 COSMIC SEARCH (The first magazine for the SETI) One neat, hard-cover binding volume. From Volume 1, No 1, January 1979 to Vol 4, No 1, 1982. 13 issues. Price structure: JBIS (1st) US $ or Euro 35.00 JBIS (2nd) US $ or Euro 35.00 JBIS (3rd) US $ or Euro 35.00 Total set US $ or Euro 100.00 (including 3 JBIS spare issues) COSMIC SEARCH US $ or Euro 45.00 Regards, Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:12:35 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:29:40 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - Hall >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:15:27 -0700 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:33 EDT >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>>Futhermore, I don't think Moore should be banned to Siberia and >>>everything he has said disregarded. I feel the same way about >>>questionable witnesses on the other side who may have lied about >>>some things, but who may still have valuable direct knowledge >>>about what happened, people such as a Glenn Dennis or Frank >>>Kaufmann. >>Ah, yes. The UFOOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence >>for the existance of flying saucers, it must be true, even if it >>comes from the mouths of proven liars. >>Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the >>little men in the saucers, this is "fair". >>Tell me, David, what exactly would be your standard for >>credibility? >Ah, yes. The SKEPTOlogical test for truth: if it offers evidence >for the existance [sic] of Mogul balloons at the Foster Ranch, >it must be true, even if it comes from the mouths of proven >liars. >Be they skeptics or believers, as long as it points to the crash >dummies from the future, this is "fair". >Tell me, Bob, what exactly would be your standard for >credibility? >David Rudiak "Crash Dummies From the Future": What a perfect title for a skeptibunker book! Sub-title: "Supersonic Pelicans Fly Again; Will Pigs be Next?" - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 It's A Missile Not A UFO From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:41:46 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:32:03 -0400 Subject: It's A Missile Not A UFO Source: AP via azcentral.com, http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0919missile-ON1.html Stig *** It's a missile, not a UFO Associated Press Aug. 19, 2002 20:23:40 ** Military officials launched a Minuteman Three missile tonight in an exercise at Vandenburg Air Force Base, Calif.. People from San Francisco to at least as far east as Phoenix reported seeing the launch or the colored skies that result afterward. Air Force officials say they routinely test the reliability and accuracy of the missiles and there's no reason for alarm. Jennifer Drummond, a dispatcher for the Central Yavapai Fire District in Prescott, said she was getting calls from as far south as Black Canyon City. Others also reported seeing glowing lights in the skies in the Phoenix area. The missile was expected to reach targets 4,200 miles away at the Kwajalein Missile Range in the western Marshall Islands within a half hour of launch. Copyright 2002, azcentral.com. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:42:46 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:34:01 -0400 Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:10:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:00:56 +0000 >>>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>>Subject: The Right Stuff For Super-Spaceships >>>Others, including myself, have read some incredible accounts on >>>the description of alleged crashed or captured extraterrestrial >>>craft and how they seem to be constructed as living machines. >>>Although one can easily dismiss this as further outrageous >>>claims by rumour mongers, according to this Science News story, >>>NASA too is now designing such "living" spacecraft which may one >>>day take us to the stars. Maybe these new spacecraft will one >>>day become the UFOs observed by beings of other worlds. >>Yes, Nick, and some day pigs may fly. Or Steven Greer may even >>turn honest. Most anything is possible, not to be confused with >>probable. >Hi Dick! >What criteria or guidelines should one follow to avoid such >confusions and to allow one to determine if something is >probable or not? Nick, The very fact that I have to try to explain this to you suggests to me that you have no understanding of scientific method. You gather and evaluate evidence, authenticate it, test it, etc. Your hypotheses, theories, speculations then should be based on a solid body of data, not on the (quaint) notion that anything is possible. Once you mount a body of evidence, a particular notion becomes increasingly probable. >We are still all students when it comes to understanding UFOs >and the entire UFO phenomena. In my opinion much valuable >information has too readily been discarded or never put to the >test because of rather arbitary reasons, such as "I know >better". If the true answers to UFOs do involve psychological >warfare, disinformation campaigns or even spiritualism, wouldn't >it be wrong not to share ALL the things we learn or are told of >in these areas with fellow investigators, no matter how dubious >they may seem? I am not suggesting that we all become rumour >mongers, but by not telling others what inside or exclusive >stuff we have come across, aren't we also participating in a >self imposed cover-up ourselves? Here you seem to confuse pet ideas or notions with things that have bodies of data to support them. Your sentence beginning, "If the true answers to UFOs do involve..." could easily have included many other notions such as kindly alien visitors, evil space monsters, secret earth societies, demons...on and on. Then I suppose by your strange logic it is incumbent on us to share stories (including wild and totally unsubstantiated tales) on all of these matters lest we miss something important. Sorry, I totally disagree with (yes) this rumor-mongering approach. Reminds me of the old saying, "If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride." Your style of reasoning sounds suspiciously like that of New Agers (I have no idea whether you fall in that camp) who never met a notion, no matter how far-fetched, that they didn't like, and consider it to be equi-probable with everything else. Careful data gathering and scientific investigation is what establishes probabilities, not wishful thinking or a degree of "open-mindedness" that in the extreme includes an ear-to-ear light tunnel. >Nick Balaskas >P.S. Regarding the story about Buzz Aldrin and his walk on the >Moon, according to my diary I heard it in Hawaii on March 11, >1988. I will try to get in touch with the driver through the >company he worked with (also in my diary) for confirmation of >this anecdotical story and further details. This is at least a good idea, though its relevance to this list is marginal at best. The whole notion that NASA faked the moon landings strikes me as totally absurd to begin with. I have friends and colleagues who worked for NASA during those years, and lived in Washington and near Goddard Space Flight Center. The "fake moon landings" conspiracy theory is beyond the pale. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.co> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:35:25 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:38:06 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:15:27 -0700 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:28:33 EDT >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - <snip> >Tell me, Bob, what exactly would be your standard for >credibility? Tell me no lies. Clear skies, Bob Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:51:38 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:39:23 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:17 -0700 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >Stig, and Fellow Listafarians, >Interesting to note that this description of the afore mentioned >event is very similar to the one of the "side-effects" of what >has become known as the 'Hutchison Effect'. >A brief synopsis: >John Hutchison, a rather eccentric self-proclaimed inventor >assembled an 'anti-gravity device' which sometime seemed to >'liquify' items he levitated with said device. When the device >was shut off, the item would then 'resolidify'. (I saw the video >tape, which was rather impressive). >Finally, I believe the Canadian government confiscated his >equipment, using some 'odd excuse' when Hutchison was trying to >move his equipment to Japan, where he had found a financial >backer to further his experiments. The evidence for the so-called Hutchison effect seems to consist of a few rather poor quality video tapes. I wrote about these in Magonia 58 (January 1977) when they were shown to the British UFO Resaerch Association, a not particularly critical audience, where they met with considerable scepticism. None of the alleged 'Hutchison Effects' in the pieces I saw included anything that could not be reproduced by simple camera trickery. This is of course, m'learned friends urge me to add, not to say that they may not have been genuine, and that perhaps other videos exist which undoubtedly show extraordinary effects which will knock my socks off. I am not holding my breath. -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:53:25 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:43:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - Velez >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:45:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >>From: Kelly Peterborough <kellymcg@attcanada.ca> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 >>Subject: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm >>Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 18:02 GMT 19:02 UK >>Doctors create out-of-body sensations >>Doctors say they have triggered out-of-body experiences in a >>female patient by stimulating her brain. They believe their work >>may help to explain mysterious incidents when people report >>experiences of 'leaving' their body and watching it from above. ><snip> >Greetings Kelly! >They "believe" their work "may help" to explain... >Any new thinking or research on out-of-body experiences, or >other mysteries such as UFOs, is always welcome as long as >certain key facts or difficult to integrate data are not >overlooked because they conflict with ones beliefs. >As an example of what I mean, I will tell you of an out-of-body >experience reported to me by my friend Jim. Jim left his body, >which he could clearly see, and floated upwards through the >ceiling to the roof of his house (not unlike some abductees who >also claim to have passed through closed windows or solid >walls). While sitting on the roof he admired a unique view of >his neighbourhood which he had never seen before. This >experience was very real to him, not like a dream. Before he >returned to his body, he noticed many things up there including >a ball and an arrow in the eavestrough along the edge of his >roof. Being a very curious person and wanting determine if what >he experienced was real or imagined, he got a ladder and climbed >to the same place on his roof. Not only was he surprised at >seeing the same views of his neighbourhood he saw during his >out-of-body experience but he also found the same ball and arrow >in the eavestrough! >Was Jim's out-of-body experience the result of some simulation >of his brain? If so, how would Jim have known about the ball and >arrow in his roof's eavestrough which he wasn't aware of prior >to his experience? The ball and arrow were not his or belonged >to anyone he knew. [Add your own eerie sounding sound effects >here] Hi Nick, I know an O.B.E. discussion is 'off topic' but... Great example! There are tons of cases like the one you cited. For many decades cases such as Jim's have been documented, catalogued and meticulously investigated by researchers at the American Society of Psychical Research. A visit to their webpage... http://www.aspr.com/jaspr.htm ... will prove to be an interesting visit and time well spent for any one who is interested in the subject. They always have a few freebee articles from the journal available for public consumption. Take the time to read a couple. There is tons of material to be found at the site that relates to ghosts, reincarnation, <-(Read the amazing case of B. Chand!) telepathy, remote viewing, you name it, they've investigated it. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - From: James Alexander <james-m-alexander@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:44:22 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:51:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative - >From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5@houston.rr.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:13:54 -0500 >Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:05:12 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Errol Bruce-Knapp Is A Covert Operative >>I guess the South Park movie of a couple of years ago had it >>correct: >>Blame it all on the Canadians! >It's no wonder that the Canadian TV guy who does interviews with >'Americans On The Street' got so many affirmative answers to the >question: "Should Bush bomb Saskatchewan?" A pre-emptive strike >is clearly in order. If you can't trust 'em, bomb 'em! The original post that generated this humorous thread belongs on Jerry Springer more than the CBC
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:25:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens - >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:40:26 -0700 >Subject: Re: Pravda: Israel Much In Demand Among Aliens <snip> >Having been directly involved with "pure silicon" for the last >20 years or so, I can state with finality that there is nothing >about pure (elemental) silicon which remotely resembles a >"silver-colored metal" >In fact, pure silicon, as opposed to Si02 which is silicon >dioxide aka quartz aka glass (if doped with impurities) is as >unsilvery as a non-metal is likely to get. <snip> >I find it odd, ten years or more after the collapse of Soviet >Communism, for a newpaper to call itself "Pravda" (Truth). Is >there a mainstream newspaper in the English speaking world with >such a name? If so, maybe they also publish silvery-metal >silicon stories. >If pure silicon is a silvery metal, my reading glasses are made >of silly putty. Hi Larry, Everyone! If Larry is wearing his silly putty glasses, he won't be able to read this but I would still like to share it with others who may have been confused, like I was, after reading what Larry wrote above. ;o) To set the record straight, silicon is not found free in nature. Crystalline silicon has a metallic luster and is grayish in colour, very much like a silvery-metal. I was given one such crystal of pure silicon by the researchers in material sciences to compare with other shiny metallic looking silicon fragments that were allegedly collected at the 1947 Roswell UFO crash site and another crash site whose date and location was not made known to me. The silicon specimens from the alleged UFO crash(s) were nearly identical to my pure silicon crystal which was manufactured on Earth. I would be very interested in also having these Israeli silicon specimens tested here so that we can compare them with my pure silicon crystal and the elemental analysis results of the alleged crashed UFO samples. Nick Balaskas P.S. I had the pleasure of meeting Barry Chamish in Toronto not too long ago. Barry was convinced that these tall aliens reported in Israel are the return of beings mentioned in the Bible. At our meeting he gave me a pile of police documents, medical reports, etc., all written in Hebrew, proving that Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated by Peres and his his people. Barry still let me keep these copies after I told him I was not Jewish (he thought I was) and that I did not know how to read Hebrew.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:20:25 -0400 Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV - >From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> >To: <updates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:43:58 +0100 >Subject: Re: North Sea 'UFO' Incident Features On BBC TV <snip> >The key part here is what David Clarke mentions in his post from >Gp. Captain Barwood, who was involved in the investigation of >the XS894 crash. He states that: The cockpit canopy hydraulic >pressure system slowly decayed so that the canopy closed, >trapping the extended dinghy lanyard line. >Verbatim. >A simple act of gravity and pressure. >This is mentioned in English Electric Lightning by Martin W. >Bowman, but we also have other confirmation from equally and >more pertinent sources about this incident. Hi Gary, It wan't until today that I found an old photograph with the Lightning's canopy open. Plenty of air shots. Anyway, looks like the problem was solved anyway. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Florida Sighting 09-19-02 From: Sue Darroch <sue@pararesearchers.org> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:41:47 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:41:06 -0400 Subject: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 Hello Errol, I thought I would share the following with UpDates if I may - this was submitted to our website today and apparently occurred last night, but as we are strictly a Canadian group, based out of Southern Ontario we cannot for obvious reasons personally follow-up. I do have the contact info and further details from the witness. ----- "It was 09/19/02 I live in <exact location deleted by Pararesearchers> Florida. I watched survivor on TV and then at 9pm i went outside to smoke a cigarette. I looked east towards Cocoa beach and saw what i thought to be 3 f16s flying. I live near Nasa and a military base so this would not be too unusual. I watched the three bright white lights go from parallel to vertical within a half second which made me pay even more attention. The lights started heading west towards me so I stood and awaited them to fly over me so i could identify the craft (I used to be a flight attendant and live with an airline captain so planes always catch my eye)The three lights approached slowly then stopped exactly above my house i then saw that it was one craft not three, it was not noisy until it was above me I watched in shock and disbelief as it hovered above me for roughly 50 seconds, I felt no fear however just pure awe. When the craft disappeared over the house i grabbed the phone to find the non-emergency number to the police dept, I spoke to some operator asking if anybody else reported seeing the same thing....they said no but wanted details anyway. within 3 minutes of making the phone call I heard sirens from both police and fire department and within 40 minutes saw a helicopter land in the vicinity of where I had first seen the light dancing. The craft was Triangular/Chevron and was approximately 500ft above me. I don't care to be believed but have been on web sites today and read other peoples experiences that are exactly like mine, therefore I feel ok with what I saw." Thanks in advance and best wishes, Sue Sue Darroch Para Researchers Of Ontario www.pararesearchers.org
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Spielberg's 'Taken' Website From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:42:43 -0400 Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html The next big Hollywood production focusing on the "paranormal" will be Steven Spielberg's "Taken" which will delve into all aspects of the alien abduction phenomenon. For those fans of HBO's Band of Brothers it is supposed to be done the same way, a mini-series with different directors for each episode. Will be shown this December on Sci-Fi.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Francois Lake, British Columbia Sighting From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:40:37 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:51:26 -0400 Subject: Francois Lake, British Columbia Sighting Hi List Just in tonight, I have contacted the witnesses for more information, and in hopes to have a look at the photos they took. Take care Brian HBCC UFO West End of Francois Lake, British Columbia Date: August 23, 2002 Time: approx: 9:00 p.m. Hi ...just adding my story to your list of sightings....I don't believe in space ships etc but did see something I did not understand or have an explanation for. On August 23rd about 9:00 p.m. just before dark my husband decided he wanted to take a picture of the sunset at the west end of Francois Lake looking west up the valley to Nadina Mtn. We drove down to the bridge over the river there and he got out and spent several minutes taking 3 or 4 shots of the sky to the west. While he was doing this I stayed in the car and watched the sky...thinking that I could see just the smallest sliver of a moon peeking from behind the trees...when he got back into the car, I said something to my husband about getting the moon in a sunset shot and he said what?? that is impossible the moon can't be in that part of the sky what are you thinking?? So I said look at that sliver of light next to the trees it has been there the whole time you were taking pictures, if it isn't the moon what is it? He asked if it had moved ...I said no not at all...then while we were looking at it the light did start to move westward we both watched and puzzled over this for several minutes then I said that he should try and get a picture of what ever it was...he grabbed his binoculars first and we spent a couple more minutes trying to see what it was that we were looking at...finally as it was moving farther off he snapped a picture of this light that we could not define and then we left. Today we got the pictures developed and there is this light far off but still obviously incandesant and to our surprise we find two other similar but more distant lights in the photo. I will forward a picture to you when I can get it scanned...I see you have had one other report from Francois Lake....can you tell me what that one was about? Bye now...(my husband and I wish to remain nameless)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:57:12 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:04:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 >Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >The Bexleyheath area is part of Bromley in East London. I tried >to locate the September 4 story in the archives of >'thisisLocalLondon,' but didn't succeed. I'm still looking, >though. >Stig >*** >Source: NEWSSHOPPER via the 'thisisLOCAL LONDON' network >http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/bromley/display.var.625555.index.0.html <snip> Hello Stig: The 1955 case sounds like a goodie, assuming somebody can verify it. 30 odd witnesses, and at least one of them still sticks to the story after 47 years. I looked up Bromley, England but found nothing in that time frame. What I DID find were two cases from Bexley, East London, and both in 1955: #4449: 1955/03/11 ????h 00:08E 51:28N WEU GBI ENG BEXLEY,LONDON:1 OBS:GLOW DISK >SW STOPS:TURNS BACK >>NE TWRD RIVER:/FSRv1#2 Ref# 139 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1955 Book #1 Page 35 #4541: 1955/07/17 ????h 10 00:07E 51:28N WEU GBI ENG BEXLEY,LONDON:2/CAR:SHADOW FOLOS CAR:CAR EMES: 18'DUMBBELL HVRS OVHD:SEP.OBS Ref# 60 UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE: Issue No. 303 The first case is no doubt better documented, FSR Vol. 1 #2, and Loren Gross' first booklet for 1955 pg. 35. On the wild assumption that one of these is the same event/object, FSR or Gross may give a reference to some newspaper. There is an outside chance that the 30-odd kids were separate observers. The next clue would be the unstated date in 1955 for the King Harold's Way events with multiple witnesses. Best - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: Signs Of Water On Planets Orbiting Distant From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 04:44:07 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:23:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Signs Of Water On Planets Orbiting Distant >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:04:23 +0200 >Subject: Signs Of Water On Planets Orbiting Distant Stars >Source: AFP via SPACEDAILY, >http://spacedaily.com/news/020918180155.0lbd47ez.html >Stig >*** >Tantalising signs of water seen on planets orbiting distant stars >PARIS (AFP) Sep 18, 2002 >** >Italian astronomers believe they have glimpsed water, a building >block of life, in the atmosphere of planets that are light years >from Earth, New Scientist says. <snip> Eh? What? Water vapor around sunlike stars? Stars in the general vicinity of our own star (the Sun) ? I recall a long discussion over these matters. It led virtually nowhere. Amazingly (to some) nearby stars, star systems, and their planets seem more and more Earthlike, or at least Jupiter-like. That's easy to explain, big fat planets like Jupiter show up more easily on the bar top of science. What I want to know, what everybody would like to find out, is 1) Do any of these muddy pools have life? 2) Does any of this life have intelligence as we understand it? 3) Do they bathe regularly? Surely any thoughtful person will come up with a better set of questions. I simply like the fact that other solar systems are so similar to ours. It takes a load of guilt off my mind to know that they have to take out the laundry on sunny days, and maybe .. maybe also like Lamborghini with clam sauce. Best wishes [burp] - Larry Hatch PS: I made up the part about Lamborghini pasta. = = = = =
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 MUFON's 2001 Tax Form From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:51:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:51:07 -0400 Subject: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form MUFON's 2001 Tax Forms http://www.guidestar.org/pdf/2001/370/990/2001-370990161-1-9.pdf
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:42:11 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:55:21 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:24:13 +0200 >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax <snip> >This man confirmed that he had participated in the retrieval of >a crashed UFO, near Roswell. It was during the night and he did >not know the exact place of the crash. He recalls it was close >to a heap of rocks. He saw the UFO, and noticed from a distance >that there were corpses in body bags, and one body on a >stretcher. The military had surrounded the site with tarpaulins >fixed on pegs, and were taking pictures of the place, lighted by >projectors, under different angles. >And now comes the critical point. He had learned that the craft >had collided with a balloon train, coming from Alamogordo, >during a storm! Balloon debris had been found together with the >UFO debris. The family and my friend were to go to Albuquerque >to see a gathering of hot air balloons. The witness joked that >the balloons would not be tied together like the balloon train. <snip> >Is this compatible with what is known today of the Mogul balloon >flight trajectories and dates, bearing in mind that this alleged >collision could have taken place a some distance of the known >site(s), and at an unknown date? Gildas, The only other unaccounted for Mogul that could even remotely fit the bill was the unregistered Flight #9 from the afternoon of July 3, 1947. However, if Karl Pflock actually has it right for once in his book, recently found photos of this "flight" show nothing more than a half dozen meteorological balloons cut loose without instruments or radar reflectors after a V-2 rocket launched was scrubbed. Supposedly the V-2 was to have carried explosives to test Mogul sensors, but after the V-2 launch pad accident, the Mogul sensors were removed along with all tracking equipment. Where the cut-loose balloons went is unknown. It's hard to imagine them getting tangled up with a flying saucer in any case. Flights #7 from #8 on the mornings of July 2 and July 3 didn't go anywhere near the Foster Ranch, if we are to believe the recorded Mogul trajectories. There was thunderstorm activity in central New Mexico on July 2 and July 4. There are no recorded Moguls for July 4 and Flight #7on July 2, again, went nowhere near the ranch. Flight #10 from July 5 apparently headed north, and is one of the rare Moguls to pass anywhere near the Foster Ranch. But supposedly it was still aloft over Colorado hours later, and July 5 is already too late to account for Brazel's find. The only odd thing I associate with this flight is that there is no written record of its precise trajectory. What we end up with is none of the July Mogul flights seeming to fit the story profile. And the June Moguls were all a month too early, plus no storm activity. I have also considered the idea of a saucer somehow getting tangled up with a Mogul (a theory, ironically enough, first advanced by Karl Pflock). But unless there were some other balloons we don't know about or the Mogul records were doctored in some way, none of the flights seems to match with this person's story. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 21 Houston & Francois Lake, BC Sightings Connected From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:43:06 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:01:13 -0400 Subject: Houston & Francois Lake, BC Sightings Connected Houston & Francois Lake, British Columbia Sightings "Both connected" Date: August 23, 2002 Time: approx: 7:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. The two times are from witnesses in different locations who witnessed the same object. Both events captured on film. Hi List Now this is getting exciting. The Francois Lake, British Columbia sighting I reported on last night, due to me just receiving the report. Well this sighting goes hand in hand with the witness who reported her sighting to me here in Houston, B.C. It took place on the same evening, at different times. The gal who captured the object on video tape watched the whole event and taped it as it was leaving her farm, said the object came down and did a loop back up and headed off from her location. This is when she caught it on video tape. The object was described to me as being a cylinder shaped craft. Now the report from the West End of Francois Lake, British Columbia, is for the very same day, August 23, 2002 at around 9:00 p.m. . The Houston video was taken at approx: 7:00 p.m. In both cases the object is exactly the same, and doing strange maneuvers in the sky. Matter of fact, I received two photos for the Francois Lake, sighting (August 23, 2002 - Time: 9:00 p.m.) and there is no doubt that the object are the same in both reports. Matter of fact, what the witnesses did not see when watching the bright object until they had the film developed was another "2" object the same, a bit dimmer, but no doubt about it, they are the same as she explained to me after getting her pictures back. I agree with her. I will get the photos posted today sometime, and you guys can have a peek at them. Matter of fact I sent a video tape to a list member who is going to break the video down and place it to the net, it shows three different objects, one object around the Vancouver area, and the other 2 objects are from Houston, B.C. Take care Brian HBCC UFO Research
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 22 East Coast Bigfoot Conference & Expo From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:18:22 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:04:38 -0400 Subject: East Coast Bigfoot Conference & Expo Source: AP via Penn Live (Pennsylvania), http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/c gi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?d0668_BC_PA--BigfootConvention&&news&newsflash-pennsylv ania Stig *** Pennsylvania News Bigfoot believers stomp to Westmoreland County for convention By DAN NEPHIN The Associated Press 9/21/02 5:57 PM ** JEANNETTE, Pa. (AP) -- Despite the hoaxes and misidentifications that make up many purported sightings, most of these people are big believers. Bigfoot believers, that is, and 120 or so of them stomped to this Westmoreland County town Saturday for the fourth annual East Coast Bigfoot Conference and Expo. "There's just too much evidence collected, too many sightings, too many reports for the creature not to exist," said Eric Altman, director of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society. Mind you, Altman does not claim to have actually seen a Bigfoot. However, while investigating a report in the woods of Bradford County two years ago, he and another researcher heard some sort of creature. "We couldn't see it, but we could hear it mumbling and growling -- almost like speaking," said Altman, 32, who installs software for AT&T. It crossed the trail about 100 yards ahead of them, just out of sight. Over the past three years, Altman and other members of the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society have investigated more than 50 Bigfoot reports in Pennsylvania. Though the northwestern part of America is best identified with Bigfoot, or Sasquatch, Altman said Pennsylvania ranks fourth out of the states with sightings, with more than 500 dating back to the 1800s. Altman knows that some people think he and other believers are, well, kooky. He dismisses them. "I just find it odd that thousands of people would sit there and make this up for as long as it's been reported," Altman said. Christine Vinkler, 50, of Jeannette, said she would have thought anyone claiming to see a Bigfoot was crazy, too -- until June 2000, when she said she saw one while driving to work. "I was a skeptic, very much so," she said. At first, she kept it to herself, but she began researching Bigfoot on the Internet, came across the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society and contacted Altman. The investigation into her sighting is still open. At the expo, speakers highlighted unusual reports, and there were plaster casts of footprints for sale -- some with five toes, some with three -- books on all things Bigfoot as well as information on UFOs and the like. Altman says there are many theories into why a Bigfoot body has never been found, given widespread suburbanization, development of roadways and hunting. Maybe Bigfoots bury their own. Maybe they go off to die in remote places and other animals scavenge the remains. And then there are reports that Bigfoots disappear in a burst of light when shot, Altman said. Benjamin Radford, managing editor of "Skeptical Inquirer," the magazine of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, has another theory: Maybe Bigfoot doesn't exist. "For our organization, it's not so much a question of belief, but of evidence -- and I haven't seen it," said Radford, who has studied and written about the Bigfoot phenomenon. "There's a lot of evidence. The problem is it's not good evidence," he said. "It's important for people to realize, we're not just talking about one creature. In order for there to be enough for a breeding population, there would have to be thousands of them ... all over the world," Radford said. Barbara Mikkelson, who runs the Urban Legends Reference Page on the Internet, said, "People have always believed in the fantastic. We want to believe in a world where miracles can happen." Generally, Radford said, a belief in Bigfoot is pretty harmless. "In the wide range of the weird things people can believe in, I would think belief in Bigfoot is benign," Radford said. "But there's danger in the belief of just everything that's out there, because you got to live in the real world." Dave Grim, 32, a high school history teacher in Butler County, said he came to the expo out of curiosity and with an open mind. "I don't think I've ever experienced anything I couldn't explain with logic. On the other hand, I'm open and would like to experience something I can't explain," he said. ------ On The Net: Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society: www.pabigfootsociety.com Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal: www.csicop.org Urban Legends Reference Page: www.snopes.com ** Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 22 'Rod-Like Beings' In Rendlesham Forest From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:28:46 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:05:44 -0400 Subject: 'Rod-Like Beings' In Rendlesham Forest Source: Evening Star - Ipswich UK http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content/news/NewsStory.asp?Brand=3DESTOnline&Ca= tegory=3DNews&ItemId=3DIPED20+Sep+2002+11%3A56%3A06%3A613 Stig *** Rods from space in Rendlesham September 21, 2002 03:22 ** UFO fanatic Peter Parish claims that strange rod-like beings have been spotted in Rendlesham Forest, adding to the list of peculiar events said to have taken place there. The latest unexplained phenomenon, which Mr Parish thinks is from another dimension, has been labelled the Rendlesham Rods. Mr Parish, 44, of Thellusson Road, Rendlesham, first saw them on the evening of August 31 and has since caught them on camera. There have already been reports of similar rods being seen in America, Scotland and throughout Europe. Mr Parish and friend Brenda Butler, 58, are fascinated by this phenomenon and he said: "They are either coming from another dimension or they are unknown creatures that can travel at a tremendous speed." He claims they are invisible to the naked eye but can be picked up on camera. He believes the aliens can communicate with people and drop stones from the sky. Mr Parish, who works as a groundsman, said: "They are quite intelligent. They seem to communicate with people. Stones have been dropping out of the sky but whether are to do with the rods I don't know. "I asked the rods if they were from another dimension. I told them to drop one stone if they were and two stones if they were not and they dropped one stone." WEB LINK www.roswellrods.com ** Copyright =A9 2002 Archant Regional. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Bigfoot's Toehold On Pennsylvania Up For Debate From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:42:47 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Bigfoot's Toehold On Pennsylvania Up For Debate Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/news/s_92639.html Stig *** Bigfoot's toehold on region up for debate at conference By Carl Prine TRIBUNE-REVIEW Saturday, September 21, 2002 ** He stinks. Not that that's his only problem. He's at least 8 feet tall. Very hairy. And painfully awkward in his size 85 feet. Very shy, too. Loves dumpsters, but hates puppies, babies and group hugs. Spotted more than 500 times since 1973 in western Pennsylvania alone, the tall, dark and hairy man-beast known as "Bigfoot" takes center stage today in Jeannette, Westmoreland County, where a gaggle of Sasquatch aficionados will host the fourth annual East Coast Bigfoot Conference & Expo. Although never captured or otherwise scientifically substantiated, the big lug known for his mammoth footprints continues to cut an impressive =97 and odorous =97 path through the collective consciousness of the Keystone State. "He looks like a big hairy guy and he stinks real bad," said John Vukovich, a West Newton hunter who claims to have seen Bigfoot six times since the early 1960s. "Armpit, body odor, real bad, real concentrated. And diarrhea. He smells like diarrhea, too. "In the sixties, we didn't really know what he was. We thought these tracks were from some hippie walking barefoot in the woods. "Now we know better." Or do we? The Bigfoot tracking network nationwide is split on the nature and number of Bigfeet. Some trackers in the Pacific Northwest insist Bigfoot hasn't relocated to the Pittsburgh area. Some say there are no more than 2,000 Sasquatches nationwide and that they should be on the Endangered Species List. Others estimate as many as 6,000, living in nuclear families from Maine to Alaska, with cousins in Tibet and Guyana. But Pennsylvania's Bigfoot has always been a bit different. There are more sightings here than any state east of the Mississippi, according to the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. In fact, Pennsylvania sightings rank third nationwide, with nearly as many reports as Canada. He's also a bit more supernatural here. Surveyors point to our Bigfoot's unusual three-toed footprints, his glowing red eyes and note the big fella mysteriously disappears when shot at or touched =97 not to mention witnesses who claim they saw Bigfoot carrying a glowing green orb through Beaver County. They've seen him near UFOs. To these Keystone State trackers, he's out of this world. Yes, Virginia, there is a Bigfoot, and he came to Pennsylvania in a space saucer. "If you see Bigfoot, call us as soon as possible," says Stan Gordon, a longtime UFO and Bigfoot tracker. "You need to get people there as soon as possible who are trained to do this. Don't shoot at them or disturb them in any way. We still don't know how they'll react." Gordon has never gazed directly at either UFOs or Sasquatches, but in his Greensburg basement bunker, a vast array of radios and other gadgets patrol the night skies, searching for the crackling whispers from squad cars, jets or park rangers following Bigfoot. Or spacemen. Or both. Once on an investigation he heard the song of the Bigfoot, and it wasn't pleasant. "Bigfoot, these creatures make a sound you'll never forget. They vibrate the sound out of them, a wailing, like a baby crying or a woman screaming. That's very common. We heard it and it was like a person with asthma." Gordon's hotline typically nets callers reporting Bigfoot darting in front of their cars, terrorizing farm animals or crashing through the forest with a deer on his back. He has a newspaper clipping dating to 1931, detailing a giant ape man lurking around barn yards. But much of the time today, the phone rings from a trailer park. And it's not Bigfoot dialing collect. "These things, for whatever reason, are commonly attracted to trailers," says Gordon. "Trailer courts, individual trailers. Banging on the sides of the trailers. Why? There are a lot of questions. We don't have all the answers. We just gather the information." Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society director Eric Altman lives in a Jeanette trailer park, but Sasquatch has never knocked on his door. Altman, however, has probed an August sighting of Bigfoot skulking about the Delallo's Italian grocery store near there. Does Bigfoot nosh on capicola? "We have a theory: He was going through the dumpster," says Altman. "He has to fight for food. You've got an 800 pound creature roaming around, and he needs a lot of calories. Berries and nuts and twigs aren't going to cut it. "We went and talked to the woman who saw him at Delallo's. We met her, and she told us all about it. She definitely saw a Bigfoot, and my wife and I staked out the area after that, but he never came back. "There was a point where my wife got kind of scared, so we left. We don't know if Bigfoot ever returned or not, but he's often sighted in this area. West Newton, Jeanette, the whole Chestnut Ridge. Delallo's is part of that area. Bigfoot country." But at Delallo's, workers and patrons alike contend they've never seen the Bigfoot. A clerk mumbled something about an ex- boyfriend, but still insisted she'd never spotted Altman's ape man there. Ditto with the guys eating outside on Delallo's picnic table, who were listening to a crooning Sinatra, not the asthmatic wail of the Sasquatch. "The Bigfoot? Never saw him," says Mike Samsa, an Allegheny Energy Solutions executive from Chicago. "But I can see why he'd come here. Definitely, he should stop by for the sausage-stuffed peppers. Bigfoot would love 'em." To skeptics, Bigfoot will likely never drop by Delallo's or any other Jeannette haunt. The fact is, they insist, there's no proof Bigfoot exists or has ever existed. Beyond the Indian lore, the plaster casts of three- and five-toed Sasquatches, the brief sightings and the grainy photographs, there's no DNA evidence, no Bigfoot bodies, no nothing but a hazy legend. "I assume, for the most part, that people are being sincere when they say they've seen Bigfoot," says Ben Radford, editor of the Skeptical Inquirer Digest and a longtime debunker of the Bigfoot myth. "Of course, there are hoaxes, and the Bigfoot field is littered with hoaxes. "People want to believe in Bigfoot. They want to touch that notion of wild innocence, that Bigfoot is a mysterious creature, a 'wisdom keeper,' who connects us to nature. It's part of a deeper need all cultures have. They want to believe in a creature that modern science or technology can't explain." For true believers, however, Bigfoot is as real as, well, UFOs. Or vampires. Or Camelot. "To me, Bigfoot research is like the quest for the Holy Grail," says Jeannette's Altman. "Modern science has never seen the Holy Grail, and people looked for it for years and never found it. The ark. People looked for Noah's ark for years and never found it. "I like to see myself as a private investigator who is trying to solve a mystery. And, hopefully, our organization or another one will solve the Bigfoot mystery. It's a blast, and I wouldn't trade it for anything." If you go Fourth Annual East Coast Bigfoot Conference & Expo Gator's Nightclub, 101 S. Fifth Ave., Jeannette, Westmoreland County Today, noon to 8 p.m. To report a Bigfoot sighting, call the hotline at (724) 374-5555 Carl Prine can be reached at cprine@tribweb.com or (412) 320- 7826. ** Images and text copyright =A9 2002 by The Tribune-Review Publishing Co. Reproduction or reuse prohibited without written consent from PittsburghLIVE.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Missile Mistaken For Meteor, UFO From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:59:03 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:09:23 -0400 Subject: Missile Mistaken For Meteor, UFO Source: WCVB-TV via TheBostonChannel.com http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/1679316/detail.html Stig *** Missile Mistaken For Meteor, UFO Streak In Sky Visible Throughout Western U.S. UPDATED: 4:20 p.m. EDT September 20, 2002 ** SAN JOSE, Calif. -- An interesting sight Thursday night took many people in the Bay area by surprise. It was a mysterious light streaking across the sky, leaving a trail of vapor. From South San Jose to Willow Glen, people out enjoying the warm late summer evening speculated about what they saw in the night sky. Was it an airplane, terrorist attack, falling star? Nobody knew it was an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base until it was long gone. The test missile was headed for the Kwajalein Missile Range in the western chain of the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean. It traveled 4,200 miles in 30 minutes. The military says it was a perfect launch "We do this two or three times a year, but because the weather was so perfect we decided to launch it early," said Vandenberg spokeswoman Kelly Gabel. As a result, people were still awake to see it, and although the sun had set over the western United States, sunset was recent enough that sunlight below the horizon glinted off unspent fuel particles and water droplets. The next unclassified missile launch, according the Vandenberg Air Force Base Web site, is in December, when two Defense Department payloads will be sent into orbit. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES: Vandenberg AFB Missile Test Launches ** Copyright 2002 by TheBostonChannel.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 SETI@home II Enlarging Search To Southern Sky From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:21:21 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:11:29 -0400 Subject: SETI@home II Enlarging Search To Southern Sky Source: The Palm Beach Post, http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/sunday/accent_d3f67eb81= 32ad0be00c1.html Stig *** Home computers ask: Are we alone? By Michael Alicea, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Sunday, September 1, 2002 ** The search for ET is about to get a boost from down under. Since May 13, 1999, computers around the world have been poring over the minutiae of radio noise that streams to Earth from the cosmos as part of the SETI@home project. SETI, which stands for Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, is a scientific program paid for mostly with corporate sponsorships and private donations. Its purpose is to seek out the answer to one of life's most enduring mysteries: Are we alone? The SETI@home project tackles the question by scanning microwave radio signals originating in outer space. These signals occur naturally from stars and quasars, and they also originate from man- made sources like satellites and ground-based transmitters. But the SETI@home project looks for that one signal among millions that carries evidence of an intelligent sender outside our local system. Because the signals are so numerous, the public was invited several years ago to help through the SETI@home project, which lets private individuals sift small chunks of the radio data on their home computers. SETI@home, at the University of California at Berkley, is not a project of the SETI Institute of Mountainview, Calif. But its goal is the same. A software program was developed that anyone can download on his home computer. It analyzes signals gathered by the world's largest radio dish, at Arecibo, Puerto Rico. The program kicks in as the "screensaver" every time the computer is on and idle and crunches data while you're away. The program is able to sift through large chunks of information, seeking out weak, artificial, narrowband signals. The only thing the homeowner needs to do is send the processed information back to the team at SETI for more analysis as directed. As large and powerful the Arecibo dish is, its scanning area is limited to about 30 percent of the celestial sphere. Last week the SETI@home team announced plans to bring a new set of ears into the search for intelligent life in the universe. SETI@home II will enlarge this area to search the southern half of the sky -- a region plumb full of stars and most of our own galaxy's enormous volume. The new project will piggyback off of the Parkes radio telescope in Australia, so everywhere the astronomers point the telescope, computers all over the world will tag along for the ride. Nearly 4 million people have downloaded the SETI@home software, with more than 540,000 people registered as "active users." With the proposed addition of information from Parkes, the project will have more than enough radio noise to keep all active users and newbies alike busy for years to come. To learn more about the SETI Institute, visit www.seti.org. To download the program, visit the SETI@home Web site at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. ** Copyright =A9 2002, The Palm Beach Post. All rights reserved.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Houston, BC - 08-23-02 From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:00:49 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:15:07 -0400 Subject: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 HBCC UFO Hi List I was checking my stuff out, and I don't think I actually made up a small report for this one, I did mention it. Anyway, here is the report for Houston in which the witness video taped "something" really strange. Then the other night I received a report for the same night for the same object, this I did post and is the West End of Francois Lake, British Columbia which was caught also on film by the witnesses who saw it. - Date: August 23, 2002 - Time: approx: 9:00 p.m. Pictures are up on my site at: http://www.geocities.com/ufologia_canadiana/woodmere3.html Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Two photos. I have also sent the video tape away and I am waiting for stills to come back to me so I can post the photo of the same object, but this picture will be a really good one. Plus another photo of another object which was seen a half hour later. (Houston Sighting) Take care Brian HBCC UFO Houston, British Columbia Date: August 23, 2002 Time: approx: 7:00 p.m. I had a telephone call from a lady telling me she had witnessed something really strange, and that it had really frightened her. She also told me that she had taken video tape of the object as it was heading away from her location, which was in a southwesterly direction. I made arrangements for the same day to visit and interview her over what she saw. I arrived at the witnesses home (farm) and was greeted by a very pleasant lady, she asked me into their home and we discussed what it was she had seen. She said at approx: 7:00 p.m. on Friday evening, August 23, 2002 she was at the kitchen sink washing up the days dishes and looking out the window which over looks their large farm. He eyes caught a large bright light heading down behind the trees, which was at the far end of the families farm. She told me she could clearly see the shape of the object, and it was cylinder in shape. Shinny and metallic in color. To her surprise the object looped around and headed back up into the sky. At this time of the evening, it was still quite light out, and she had no problem in seeing it. She ran a grabbed her video camera and took some film of the object as it departed the area. The witness brought out her video camera and showed me what it was she captured on the tape, and I must say I was really surprised. My first thought when I saw the object on the tape, was that maybe it was a meteor, but after hearing her explanation of the events this ruled out my thoughts on what it might have been. If I had to explain what this object looked like, it looked exactly like one of the many movies we see of T.V., where a comet is heading towards earth with a contrail from the tip of it and running a short distance off the back end of it. But the contrail, if one wants to call it that, had another very shot tail coming out the back end, right in the center. It almost gave the impression of the flames coming from a fighter aircraft. But no flames could be seen with this object. The object was massive, and very bright. It also moved across the sky rather slowly. After I viewed the tape, the witness said, we are not finished yet. She went on to tell me that about a half hour later, while she was finishing off the dishes she was working on, she watched another "large bright white" object rise up from behind the Telkwa mountain range. She said straight up, in other words from the base of the mountain heading to the top and then stopped and hovered. Again she ran to grab her video camera, and started filming this object. After she watched it rise up from behind the mountain, the object moved to the right along the top of the range. ( HBCC UFO Note: this is where the video camera ran out of tape, but the witness did think to run and grab another blank tape, and started rolling again). When she started filming the object once again, it had already reached the end of the mountain range, and was dropping down, but following the contour of the mountain. She filmed it until it went down behind the tress on her property which blocked the view of the object. The mountain range is at some distance away from the family's farm across the Bulkley Valley. I wondered if it might be something explainable, but from her description of the event, I soon ruled that out. The witness dropped into my home the next day to drop off a couple of things I had left behind after the interview and she was still rather frightened due to not knowing what this object was. She said it gave her the creeps and hoped I would be able to come up with a reasonable explanation to what it was, just to make her feel better about the whole experience. I would like to thank this witness for her help and report.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 LUFOS Present 'UFOs: The London Connection' (UK) From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:49:50 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:16:42 -0400 Subject: LUFOS Present 'UFOs: The London Connection' (UK) LUFOS Present "UFOs : The London Connection" October 19th Venue: St. Matthias Centre, Woodstock Terrace, London E14 Timetable: 10.30 Doors Open 10.50 Roy Lake - Welcome 11.00 Malcolm Robinson - "UFOs & the Paranormal" 12.00 Max Burns - "The Sheffield FT Incident" 1.15 Lunch Break 2.15 Maxine Pearson - "Remote Viewing" 3.15 Christopher Martin - "Latest UFO Footage update" 4.15 Break 4.45 Dennis Plunkett - "UK Abductions" 5.45 Break 6.00 "Bonnybridge UFOs" 7.00 Question & Answers 7.30 Roy Lake - Close Merchandising Stalls * Book signings * Giant Rear-Screen Projection TV * Disabled Access * Light Refreshments Nearest DLR Station - Poplar Admission: =A312.00 Ticket Bookings: Roy Lake 020 8270 9919 Some tickets available at the door - Contact Roy Lake for more information Travelodge Accommodation: 020 75319705 For further information please contact Roy Lake on 020 8270 9919 or visit: http://www.crowdedskies.com/pages/conferences2.htm Includes a downloadable conference timetable. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Thanks, John Hayes webmaster@ufoinfo.com UFOINFO:- http://ufoinfo.com Official Archives for UFO Roundup, AUFORN Australian UFO Reports and Experiences, UFO + PSI Magazine plus archives of Filer's Files, Oz Files, UFO News UK and UFO Sightings Italia.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Formation Of HHS AntiUFO-E.T.-Abduction Task Force From: Larry W. Bryant <overtci@cavtel.net> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:39:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:20:08 -0400 Subject: Formation Of HHS AntiUFO-E.T.-Abduction Task Force TO: Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation U. S. Department of Health and Human Services 200 Independence Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20201 FROM: Larry W. Bryant 3518 Martha Custis Drive Alexandria, VA 22302 DATE: September 22, 2002 As the growing public record clearly shows, the worldwide experience of UFO-E.T. abduction remains self-defining: the experience consists of the abduction of a person by entities of extraterrestrial origin (a.k.a. "space aliens" (i.e., the ultimate "illegal aliens") and "UFO occupants") for the purpose of subjection to such nonconsensual acts as -- -- Impregnation for Earthling-alien hybridization; -- Gene harvesting and experimentation; -- Invasive, traumatic physical examinations and tissue sampling; -- Implantation of remote-monitoring devices; -- Serialized abduction, and/or the threat thereof, of the victimized person and/or his/her family members; and -- Instilling in the victim such results as: a state of acute, chronic anxiety, emotional isolation, loss of self- esteem/overall sense of security, and other psychological injury and terroristic effects (including the "Stockholm syndrome"). Part of this compelling public record has emerged from a special UFO-E.T.-abduction study conference held 10 years ago at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The monograph in question -- "The Sympathetic Ear: Investigators as Variables in UFO Abduction Reports" (published in 1995 by the Fund for UFO Research, Inc. -- http://www.fufor.org), by Thomas E. Bullard, Ph.D. -- presents and analyzes results from an in-depth survey circulated to 31 abductionologists in 1992, concluding that "The respondents affirm previous findings of consistency in the abduction story." The report's closing statement, quoted below, prompts me to issue this formal request for direct, prompt HHS intervention into the UFO-E.T.-abduction syndrome: "While few certainties and no final solutions conclude this study, it leaves the reader with one enduring fact: There is a genuine mystery in the [UFO] abduction phenomenon. The stories resist any simple psychological or sociocultural solution; their complexity requires pursuit of many leads. Something worthy of careful and serious study is going on, whatever its nature and origin. It deserves the attention of an open-minded inquiry, both for the sake of knowledge and for the well-being of perplexed experients." Indeed, my request centers on the prolonged, unrelenting plight of those experients -- a.k.a. victims. Officials like you need look no farther than Bullard's report to conclude that this syndrome invokes the very core of your agency's mission: to protect and promote the health/safety/security of our citizenry. Accordinlgy, I ask that you coordinate with me, Dr. Bullard, and other researchers committed to ending the official disregard for this public-health menace called UFO-E.T. abduction. As your first step in this coordination, please proceed to establish within HHS headquarters a special task force on monitoring, analyzing, reporting upon, and countering current/future cases of the syndrome. Besides alerting the general public to the scope, gravity, and clandestine nature of the UFO-E.T.-abduction experience, the task force could help all stakeholders come to grips with a disturbing reality foisted upon them, individually and collectively, by the experience. Simply put, the task force could help us find ways and means to reduce the incidence of alien abductions, to reduce the threat thereof, to hold accountable the perpetrators thereof, and to minister to the victims thereof. As regards the accountability factor, I ask that the HHS task force coordinate with pertinent officials of the U. S. Department of Justice toward forming therein a counterterrorism-style task force on UFO-E.T. abduction. Meantime, upon your receipt of this e-formatted request (a signed printout of which is being snail-mailed to you shortly), please tell me the name, title, and phone number of the HHS point-of-contact with whom I may further advance and track this request. Thank you for thus adding the authority, resources, and skills of your department toward helping resolve this too-long neglected issue of public health/safety, public awareness, and public accountability. LARRY W. BRYANT Director, Washington, D.C., Office of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Is There Doctor In The House? From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:48:52 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:22:07 -0400 Subject: Is There Doctor In The House? Are there any medical doctors or nurse practitioners on this List? We are in need of some clarifications regarding dehydration and other issues, on another list. Thanks, ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Role Of Music In Interstellar Communication From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:18:10 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:45:03 -0400 Subject: Role Of Music In Interstellar Communication Source: SPACE.com via Yahoo News http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory2&cid=3D96&ncid=3D96&e=3D13&u= =3D/space/20020912/sc_space/the_pulse_of_life__music_of_our_world_and_beyond Stig *** The Pulse of Life: Music of Our World and Beyond Thu Sep 12, 8:20 AM ET By Douglas Vakoch, SPACE.com ** As the deep, rich drone of a didgeridoo continued to emanate from a portable CD player, American composer Andrew Kaiser wrapped up his argument for the role of music in interstellar communication. Speaking at a recent workshop in Paris, Kaiser echoed the sentiments of others at the meeting, stressing the fruitful interplay of art and science in constructing interstellar messages. The workshop was one of an ongoing series of international meetings that brings together artists and scientists to discuss ways to create messages that might some day be transmitted across interstellar space, whether by radio signals or laser pulses. The meetings provide advance preparation for one of the most critical decisions that would face humankind if the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence ( news - web sites) (SETI) should some day succeed: should we reply, and if so, what should we say? In Kaiser's view, the structure of terrestrial music might provide clues to creating interstellar messages that could be understood by extraterrestrial intelligence. In the process, he suggests that music may provide a means of communicating "something of our consciousness that is essentially human, regardless of the civilization from which it emerges." Kaiser is building upon an ongoing discussion about whether music would be understood by extraterrestrials. For example, astronomer Sebastian von Hoerner argued that extraterrestrials could even have music similar to Earth's=97so similar that we shouldn't be surprised to find them using the same musical scales that we do! Indeed, ever since the Pythagoreans of ancient Greece, we have known that there is an innate connection between music and math. Musical notes can be described in terms of precise frequencies, and harmonic combinations of these notes occur when their respective frequencies are in a precise ratio to one another. To the mathematician, the result is a simple fraction. To the listener, it is a harmonic sound. While we cannot be sure that extraterrestrial beings will necessarily have a sense of hearing, any of the civilizations we contact in the course of a SETI detection will be savvy about some of the building blocks of music nevertheless. Concepts of frequency, amplitude, and duration are as basic to the construction of radio telescopes as they are to the composition of a symphony. Even if ET is deaf, the language of music might provide a means of access to terrestrial aesthetic sensibilities, through the intermediary of shared science. Kaiser stresses the importance of avoiding ethnocentric biases when creating interstellar messages inspired by music. He notes that those from a Western tradition can easily assume that the conventions of classical music are equally applicable in non- Western cultures. And in many cases, they are not. Though concepts of harmony and melody are seen throughout the world, the forms they take may be radically different. In designing interstellar messages based on music, he contends, we should be careful in deciding which musical concepts to emphasize. According to Kaiser, music also has the potential to express something that could give extraterrestrials insights into the human experience of being embodied: "The very physicality of the shared human condition lends itself to cyclic sonic concepts such as drone, repetition, silence: we breath, our hearts beat, lungs pump and eventually stop." If some day exchange messages with extraterrestrials who are not flesh-and-blood, but silicon- based artificial intelligence, it may just be that our music will provide them with some of their most important insights into what it means to be human. ** Copyright =A9 2002 SPACE.com. .
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 UFO Experiences Revealed In Missoula, Montana From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:38:32 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:48:26 -0400 Subject: UFO Experiences Revealed In Missoula, Montana Source: The Missoulian http://www.missoulian.com/display/inn_features/territory/territory01.txt September 22, 2002 Captivating experiences By BETSY COHEN of the Missoulian COULD ALIEN ABDUCTIONS BE A PRELUDE TO FULL DISCLOSURE ABOUT LIFE BEYOND EARTH? ** It's a hot summer evening. The kind of night only aliens could lure people to a tiny conference room at the Missoula Public Library. And on this night, extraterrestials did just that. Despite the close, sticky quarters, dozens of people patiently wait for the first night of the first formal UFO discussion group to begin in the Garden City. They've come to listen to real-life stories of alien abductions, mysterious space ships and visitations from beings beyond this world. But as more and more people arrive, those stories must be delayed for a few minutes more while hasty arrangements are made for a larger meeting area. Everyone moves agreeably, and a quick shuffle of Birkenstocks, sneakers, boat shoes and sandals reassembles into a gathering of 50-plus people. More bodies appear and stand at the back of the room, creating a collage of faces and ages like any other community gathering. This could be a PTA meeting. Organizer Judy Mickelson looks poised, and not surprised by the turnout. "I don't know why it took so long for Missoula to have one of these," she says by way of introduction. "They have them all the time in Colorado." She shares background information about herself, gives guest speaker Michael Bishop a chance to talk about current advances in UFO investigations, and then Mickelson asks: "Who here has been abducted?" Several hands go skyward. When you are experienced with aliens, it doesn't take long for others with similar experiences to contact you. "That's how it goes," Mickelson said. "People just find you." And so that's how it went when Mickelson returned to the valley her pioneering forefathers, the Worden family, settled in the last millennium. She was found, and then encouraged to pull together a discussion group for people to learn about and share UFO experiences in a supportive, informative setting. Now, the retiree is busy contacting guest speakers and competing with the likes of the Humane Society and the League of Women Voters for the library's public meeting space, which must be booked three months ahead because it is so sought-after. "UFOs have definitely become more mainstream," she said with an easy chuckle. Her hope is that the monthly discussion groups will launch enough interest so the group can book top names on the UFO lecture circuit to speak in Missoula. "There's so much new research out there for people to learn about," she said. As for her own alien education, Mickelson said it began more than a decade ago when she managed a bookstore in Loveland, Colo. It so happened she was in charge of the store's "New Age" section. Her curiosity about the subject matter, and her friendly way, prompted regular customers to tell her about their mysterious encounters. She soon became a regular at the local UFO discussion group. "At the time, I was just interested in the topic," she said. "I didn't have my own experiences, and it was weird sometimes because I felt like a voyeur." Within a few years, though, she too would have stories to share. "It was a September day in 1993 when my husband and I were driving along an area of mostly llama and horse ranches on a highway between Loveland and Fort Collins," she said. "We came around a bend in the road that went around a little hill and we saw a silver disc hovering about 200 feet above it." The couple didn't say anything to each other for a long time. In fact, they just kept on driving in stunned silence. A few miles down the road, they saw the silver disc again. Mickelson's husband, Wayne, said only: "I think it's a satellite dish." But then it turned at a right angle and disappeared. "This was not of our world," she said. "And this was no satellite dish." The experience was unnerving, but little did Mickelson know she and Wayne would have closer encounters in the years to come. While Wayne declines to discuss his abduction, Judy had an encounter so curious it inspired her to seek out Leo Sprinkle, a psychologist and former University of Wyoming professor whose specialty is UFO investigations through hypnotherapy. This time, her close encounter was in a field near Horse Tooth Reservoir in Colorado - a place known as "a hotbed for abductions," Mickelson said. It was why she was there. In her tape-recorded session with Sprinkle, Mickelson was able to unravel her mystery experience. "I'm outside looking up, and it's back," she calmly says on the recording. "It's hovering over me about 300 to 400 feet and I can see the bottom of it. It's almost like tiles or something like that - it's just weird looking. "And then I can see an opening, and now I don't know how I did this - all I know is that I'm inside - and I'm looking around, and it's round. And I hear a voice say 'Come here, don't be afraid.'" Once she got her bearings, Mickelson said she saw a panel of beautiful colored pastel lights and paneling that reminded her of what she thinks the cockpit of an airplane might look like, although she has never seen one. Through telepathy, she said the voice asked her to look out the window, which wrapped around the ship like a giant pair of Ray Ban sunglasses. "All I see is the night sky and I feel like I am surrounded by planets - beautiful bright stars glowing everywhere .... It makes you feel like you are outside and you are surrounded. And you can still breathe air and you are alive and you are within the universe - you are one with the universe." The being, she said, brought her to the ship to prepare her for some future event, which he would not describe. But he said when the time comes, he does not want her to be afraid of beings that are not of Earth. Then she was taken home. Another time she was abducted, she remembers being beamed up into a pewter-colored space ship and led into a bright white room. From there, a shower-like thing came over her and another thing like a dryer blew over her, and then she was ushered by little creatures about 4 feet tall with big eyes into a room that was colored in earth tones. A tall, slender human-shaped being had his back turned to her and told her to sit in something that looked like a dentist chair, which formed around her and perfectly supported her body. "It was the most comfortable chair you could have ever imagined," she said. "I want that chair." When the alien turned around, she got a good look at him: He stood about 7 feet tall, had big shoulders, blonde hair and blue eyes. His clothing, she said, consisted of a one-piece satiny blue suit with a little cape and a belt with some kind of strange emblem. He told her his name was Sanada, and he told her they were far from Earth - that they were on the dark side of the moon. She asked about him and his life. He told her that he and his race live in underground housing on the moon, where they work as miners. He told her there had been a lot of interaction between his race and the U.S. government, but people on Earth don't know about it - yet. Mickelson agrees her story is hard for many people to believe, but it doesn't matter. She's not trying to convince anyone - she doesn't have to. "I know people think this is kooky," she said, "but it's the truth." Husband Wayne doesn't comment much on his wife's alien conversations, but said: "I've seen some strange things with her." Other Montanans have reported seeing strange things, too. On Aug. 15, 1950, Nicolas Mariana was at the Legion Ball Park in Great Falls, where he worked as the general manager of the Electrics baseball team. Because of his natural curiosity and his journalism training at the University of Montana, Mariana never went anywhere without a camera loaded with film. So on this particular day when a bright flash out the office window caught his eye, and Mariana saw two rotating disc-shaped objects in the morning sky hovering over his field, he knew what to do. First he shouted to his secretary, Virginia Raunig, to come look, then he reached for his 16 mm movie camera. According to interviews at the time, Mariana said the discs appeared to be rotating as they flew over Great Falls, traveling at a speed he estimated to be somewhere between 200 and 400 miles per hour. The film he took, which is now in the national archives, shows two circular UFOs as they passed over a building behind a water tower. When the film came back with clear, fairly close up strange images, Mariana shared the sightings with local civic groups. Soon the U.S. Air Force got wind of the excitement and sent an officer from Malmstrom Air Force Base to interview Mariana and get the film. The filming made such a national commotion that Mariana was a guest star on the then-popular television show "I've Got a Secret," said Mariana's son, Nick, who lives in Victor and sells solar energy equipment. At first examination, Air Force experts said the images were caused by two jet interceptors that were in the area at the time, and the bright light was sunlight reflecting off the fuselages. In 1952, when the Air Force's UFO investigations were revitalized, an officer came to collect Mariana's film once again. However this time, explanations were not as forthcoming and when the film was returned to Mariana, he claimed the first 30-odd frames had been removed. Gone were detailed images of the UFOs, including clear footage of a rotating band around the flying objects. The Air Force denied removing any of the film. Although government investigators maintain the images are of regulation aircraft, others who were privy to the film had other notions. In 1955, Dr. Robert Baker, a engineer with Douglas Aircraft Corporation, analyzed the film and concluded that the images could not be explained by any known natural phenomena. Since then, the University of Colorado's UFO Project and a University of Arizona astronomer have examined the film, and no conclusion of the images could be reached. In the end, this is how the film is described today by a private research group called the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena: "The hard data on the film indicates that the aircraft explanation is not possible, but it does not prove that the objects are spacecraft. It leaves the film depicting unidentified flying objects." Mariana is no longer alive to share his stories, his film all but forgotten, and the only talk of it is when his surviving family members are asked to share their memory. "It wasn't something dad wore on his collar - it wasn't like him to pull a stunt to be famous," Nick said. "I just wish I could get my hands on the original film. Dad never made a copy, and over the years the clip the Air Force sent back was lost, so we don't have anything left." All that remains is his mother's dress she wore to Hollywood for "I've Got a Secret." "It's a cool red-hot nightclub dress," Mariana said. "She looked great and dad stumped the panel." Helena physician Jesse Marcel Jr. doesn't doubt that the Great Falls images caused a stir with the military, or that the flying objects are not of this world. In 1947, when Marcel was a boy and his father was in charge of aircraft accident investigations at the Roswell, N.M., Army air field, he too witnessed some strange sights. It was July when a severe thunderstorm boomed around the small town of Corona, a few miles from the military base. The following day, a sheep rancher went to survey the storm's damage and found a flying saucer that had crashed. The Roswell Daily Recorder reported the incident and stated a flying saucer and alien beings had been captured by the Army Air Force, and thus, the "Roswell Incident" was officially born. Military spokespersons dismissed the event, and said what they found was only a weather balloon and a tin-foil radar target. Five decades later, the Air Force tried to squash the tireless rumors of Roswell. In a press conference, they explained the "little beings" allegedly seen at the time of the incident were part of the military's secret high-altitude parachute tests that involved the use of mannequins. Regardless of the stories then and the stories that have developed, Marcel knows for certain something very odd happened. "I remember one day, my father was called at home by Col. Blanchard, the base commander, and assigned to go to an area at a nearby ranch," Marcel said. "Something crashed there and the Air Force was asked to investigate." Marcel remembers his father was gone from home all day and into the night, even though their house was between the crash site and the army base. On his way back to the office in the wee hours of the next day, Marcel's father stopped to check in on his family. "He woke my mom and I up and said: 'We've got something really weird here.'" Then he spread out some debris on the kitchen table and asked: "I want you to look at this and tell me what this is." What it was, was unlike anything the would-be doctor of medicine had ever seen in his young life or his life since. There for just a blink of time in the heart of the Marcel home was odd- looking metal-like foil and strange plastic matter. "I picked up one little I-beam, which looked like it had some imprinting along the inner surface - something like hieroglyphics," he said. "It was embossed all over, but you really couldn't see it until you held it up to the light. And when you did, it had a purplish hue to it." Although the mystery of the foot-long, lightweight, unbendable metallic- like object was never explained to him, Marcel said he knew it was something special and his 11-year-old mind raced with the possibilities. None, however, came close to his the answer his father uttered but once, and very quietly: "Flying saucers." The threesome looked in awe at the bits and pieces of alien objects, then Jesse Marcel Sr. boxed up the material and continued on to the Army base. While word was just reaching the media about the incident, Marcel Sr. was assigned the task of delivering the material to high-ranking military leaders based in Fort Worth, Texas. He was flown there in a B-29 bomber, escorted by military police. When he returned home to his family, he had a different story. "He sat us down and told us to treat this like a nonevent, and to play like it never happened," Marcel said. "The story we were then told was that the material was part of a weather balloon." And the site was literally vacuum cleaned. Years later, long after Marcel sprouted his own family and his father resigned from the military, the incident would come up now and again. "We all agreed it was strange," Marcel said. "To this day, I believed the thing that crashed was a flying saucer - whatever that means - it was something from somewhere else." Although the Roswell incident legend includes the capture of alien creatures, Marcel said his father never mentioned it. As for Marcel, his childhood experience inspires as much wonderment today as it did then. "What it has done for me, it has made me extremely interested in astronomy and cosmology - I know we aren't the only beings in this universe," he said. Marcel said he believes something very real and very extraordinary happened that July day in 1947. "Why doesn't the government just tell us what happened? Because the reasons for keeping it covered up must be pretty compelling." The Roswell incident - and other whispers of beings beyond this planet - will not die a quiet death because the government doesn't want it to, said Michael Bishop, a Missoula UFO investigator and hypnotherapist by day, and truck dispatcher by night. The government, he said, is preparing people for the truth. "They have done such a good job relegating people who have had an experience to the lunatic fringe, but now the government is apparently trying to undo that through a series of carefully placed leaks," he informed the library audience. For proof, he points to one of the largest UFO investigations, called the "Disclosure Project," which is directed by Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Greer has spent the last decade investigating alleged government UFO cover ups and interviewing hundreds of high-ranking military officers, members of the Atomic Energy Commission, and other military personnel who had access to government briefings on UFOs and who have seen firsthand unidentified flying objects. Two years ago, he released a 120-minute-long videotape of his interview with 100 of these "witnesses," who shared their UFO experiences. In the tape, people like Lt. Col. Charles Brown, a former U.S. Air Force pilot, talks about helping to track UFOs that appeared on radar and disappeared at the rate of 4,000 to 5,000 miles per hour. "There is no question I have seen organized flights of unidentified flying objects - flying balls of light, if you will," Brown said in his interview. "They disappeared whenever they wanted." John Callahan, a former senior officer with the FAA during the Reagan administration, said there were "major sightings" over Alaska in the 1980s when a pilot for a Japanese 747 reported a huge ball of light running alongside the plane. Callahan said U.S. jet pilots were called to assist and videotaped the image. The tape was taken to Washington, D.C., the next day for military intelligence to view. Everyone agreed it was a UFO, Callahan said in his interview. And in the tape, Montana, figures prominently. On March 16, 1967, Air Force Capt. Robert Salas was a launch engineer at Malmstrom Air Force base when he got a call from guards outside the missile silo where he was stationed. The guards were startled by the sudden appearance of strange lights flying around the silo. The vision was so far out of their experience they called into the control room and told Salas about it, and called seconds later to report that the glowing red object was closing in, and was headed to the front gate. "I have all the men out there with their weapons drawn asking 'What do we do now?' " Before Salas could answer, the missiles started shutting down, one by one in rapid succession. Within seconds, eight intercontinental ballistic missiles had been mysteriously deactivated, and when the last one shut down, the phone rang again, and a guard said the mysterious light left at high speed. Minutes later, the same thing happened at a different missile squadron 50 miles away. All 10 of their missiles were dead. These testimonies, Bishop said, are not only proof from credible sources that UFOs are real experiences, but proof the government is slowly preparing everyday citizens for full disclosure of life beyond this planet. "These people have been allowed to come forward without grief or retribution," Bailey said. "They are preparing us." And so are Mickelson and Bishop. "It's important for all of us to come forward," Bishop said. "You have to stand up and be counted, even though this is a controversial subject." Mickelson's abductions still hover over her. We live in a world that is on the cusp of a major shift in consciousness, and more and more people are starting to share their own alien experiences, Mickelson says at her discussion group. "There's a reason for it," she says. As for herself, she doesn't care what others think of her strange voyages. She's in the business of sharing, not persuading. "We can't be so arrogant to think we are the only ones in the universe," she says. On this hot, sticky night, a quiet consensus tremors around the room, heads nod in agreement, and all are of one mind. Reporter Betsy Cohen can be reached at 523-5253 or at bcohen@missoulian.com. Tips for documenting UFOs from Michael Bishop, a Missoula UFO investigator Just observe it, don't automatically believe the light in the sky is a UFO. Have the presence of mind to look at your watch and notice the time, the angle of the thing, what size it is, what direction it is flying. Find anything to compare its size to, like a tree or a building. Quiet your mind and focus on being an objective observer. "Don't let anyone rain on your parade. If you believe you've seen a UFO, believe." To report UFO sightings, contact Bishop at mikeyb@bigsky.net. or call 543-8921. The Missoula UFO discussion groups meets monthly. For more information, contact Judy Mickelson 542-3216 or e-mail ufolady@montana.com. =A9 2002, Missoulian, Missoula, MT A Lee Enterprises subsidiarybbb
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Government Meetings & Documents From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:41:55 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:50:55 -0400 Subject: Government Meetings & Documents I thought the following article excerpt would be of interest to people on the List, not because of current events, but it shows how relying upon meeting schedules (including so called private ones) to determine what was discussed in a particular government meeting is not wise. How does this tie into UFOs. It is possible that a sensitive UFO subject could have been covered in a meeting that is labeled under something else in schedules, both private, and perhaps even classified ones. I would suspect some person out there would want to rationalize this all away as something _only_ being done by Bush. Big news flash. This idea is very old and not original. Likewise if somebody FOIA requested all meeting schedules or minutes that had to do with IRAQ during this time frame, it would likely come up under "no records." (Probably skeptibunkers would then claim that was proof there were no meetings, no proof, blah blah blah) But if you know the particular word or phrase to ask for, in this case "Regional Strategies Meetings" you would find Iraq stuff. Source: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/21/international/middleeast/21PLAN.html?today= sheadlines Begin Excerpt..... "The meetings have been considered so sensitive that the word Iraq never appeared on the private schedules of those attending. Instead, the sessions have been listed under the phrase "Regional Strategies Meeting." They have usually been run by Condoleezza Rice, Mr. Bush's national security adviser and one of the principal architects of the doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against nations with weapons of mass destruction. A participant in the meetings said the goal was to "explore all the elements =E2=80=94 regime change, what military options there might be, how the diplomatic process fits in." The principals did not examine individual military strategies. "We would look at the question of how might you have regime change thought of as liberation rather than occupation?" the participant said. "That was a question put before the principals, and then there would be a paper done on it." ***End Excerpt Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Chupacabras Reappears In Ponce Puerto Rico From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:30:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:58:02 -0400 Subject: Chupacabras Reappears In Ponce Puerto Rico SOURCE: PRIMERA HORA (newspaper) DATE: September 23, 2002 Chupacabras Reappears in Ponce, Puerto Rico Has a royal feast in Ponce Luis Varela -- THE ASSOCIATED PRESS "Even the dog is scared. Something weird is happening," said Ramon Luis Guzman, who showed some large tracks which he believes are those of the predator. (For PRIMERA HORA / Edgar Vazquez Colon) PONCE.- The story of the so-called chupacabras, the shadowy character that attacks and slays animals, emerged again in Ponce when 19 fighting rooksters, rabbits, ducks and chickens turned up dead at a residence in the La Calzada neighborhood. "This is weird. I think it was the Chupacabras who slew my animals. I'm scared and alarmed by what occurred," said the animals' owner, Ramon Luis Guzman Colon, to Associated Press (AP). Some of the animals were found yesterday morning by Guzman Colon outside their cages and others still within them. A rooster was dragged 30 meters from its cage and was still agonizing on Sunday afternoon. Four of the fighting roosters were dead, one beside the other, and in a strange case, two roosters were changed from their respective cages and were found dead facing each other. "It's weird, they swapped the roosters from one cage to another," said the affected party. While surveying the backyard of the Guzman Colon home, AP ascertained that all of the animals have wounds on their necks or backs. Dozens of neighbors and curiosity seekers from other sections of Ponce swarmed around the humble dwelling for a glimpse of the strange event. It is necessary to traverse a long alleyway to reach the Guzman Colon home. "At two o'clock in the morning I heard the dog barking in the alley and when i came downstairs the dog vanished. I heard no noise whatsoever and went back to bed," noted Guzman Colon, 53, who is unemployed since the shutdown of the Central Mercedita sugar refinery. "I got up at 6:30 in the morning and found the 19 animals, largely roosters, dead. This is very weird," he added. "The way in which they were bitten, in the same area, [cannot be attributed] to dogs." A black and white dog was hiding in the hollow of a tree on Sunday. "Even the dog is scared. Something weird is going on," said Guzman Colon, who showed some large tracks which he alleges "belong to the animal that did this." "Look at those claws--they're not those of a dog. They belong to a strange animal." Guzman Colon pointed out that the has some 12 chickens and roosters left, and showed some of the broken cages. "The animal responsible for this is short [in stature] because it breaks the cages from below, " he theorized. Guzman Colon maintains that some of the fighting cocks had a value of about $500 each. Carlos Soto, a neighbor of the affected party, believes that a snake could have dragged itself from the adjacent lot and caused the deaths, but Guzman Colon maintained that serpents cannot break into cages. The legend of the Chupacabras emerged several years ago, when it allegedly killed cows, dogs and other animals. It is even believed that it did the same thing in Venezuela, Mexico and the Dominican Republic.The alleged incidents began in the municipality of Canovanas. ================================================== Translation (C)2002 Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special thanks to Jose I. Gomez and Associated Press.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 More On Argentine Police/UFO Story From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com>? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:09:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:03:21 -0400 Subject: More On Argentine Police/UFO Story SOURCE: Circulo Ovnilogico Riocuartense (COR) DATE: September 15, 2002 FURTHER EVIDENCE IN FAVOR OF THE SGT. GUILLERMO ARIAS EXPERIENCE RIO IV-CHAJAN: (COR)- The second investigation phase of the so- called "Chajan Case" is complete. The C.O.R's commission in this event consisted of engineer Federico Smaldone, Mario Bracamonte, Dante Guerrero and Francisco Dominguez, who devoted part of the day to interviewing Sgt. Arias in order to discuss certain points and adjust measurments which had been described by Arias during the C.O.R's initial visit, and which "did not match up" to the researchers. With his habitual predispostion toward this Rio Cuarto research entity, Sgt. Arias took time from his rest to cordially greet the research team, answer questionnaires and added numerous "unpublished" details which according to the officer, "come to mind as the days go by." The reserachers managed to collect important evidence, and given the confidential nature of the file, these have not been made known. Everything leads the C.O.R's specialists to assume that they now have new perspectives, although numerous hypotheses have been created around them. Despite C.O.R.'s secrecy, it was disclosed that a significant rural area will be surveyed near Chajan in coming days, where persons who will bear witness to officer Arias' initial statement have already been located. ***************** I'M FED UP...I'M INVADED FROM ALL SIDES... These were Arias's words regarding the unusual rpesence of strange persons in his home. C.O.R.'s director made a humanitarian appeal for reseachers and curiosity seekers to please cease their constant visits. "Arias is placed under constant pressure," said Smaldone. CHAJAN: (S.I.O.)- Had I known that all of this was about to befall me, I would have said nothing about what I saw." These were the words of officer Guillermo Arias when asked: how was he doing in recent weeks after the July 21 incident? Arias related that every day he must put aside his police work or family duties to meet with strangers who have come from different parts of the country to question him about July's events. "They're coming from Santa Fe, Buenos Aires, Mendoza, they write me letters, they send me forms...I'm fed up...fed up... honestly," added the law enforcement agent. The policeman, who is the only member of the Chajan Barracks, must meet the daily duties of dispatching, preparing summaries, sending notices to the D.A.'s office and courts, cover an immense jurisdiction and as if that weren't enough, he must offer additional services to supplement his income. His social relationships have become thinner and he himself is confined to a narrowing circle which understandably does him no good. It is clear that the interest which his story has produced in UFO and non-UFO circles shall continue to bring about "invasive" manfiestations into Sgt. Arias's privat life and in the words of Federico Smaldone of C.O.R.: "It would be good if our colleagues around the country, to whom we appeal from the ufological and humanitarian standpoint, would take a moment to reflect on how they are affecting Arias with their visits. We understand their interest in conducting "on site" investigations, but in this instance we require a modicum of humanity towards an individual with a very special lifestyle devoted to his peers. Let us respect his intimacy and that of his family. We ourselves have a careful relationship with him and would ask for the same treatment by colleagues from elsewhere. They must understand and accept that Mr. Arias is under the effect of a severe shock, and if we add to this his heavy workload, it illustrates the kind of pressure he is subjected to on a daily basis." Engineer Smaldone notes that "this not only predisposes Arias against us, but also harms any progress in the investigation we are carrying out. If the C.O.R. is completely respectful of Mr. Arias's time and is careful about its visits, we don't see the insistence by so many colleagues in wanting to be there in person, when they could ask for our firsthand information by asking, or can freely access it from our site. This is an ethical attitude we hope will be respected." ================================= Translation (C) 2002 Scott Corrales Institute of Hispanic Ufology Special Thanks to Mario Luis Bracamonte.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Secrecy News -- 09/23/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:30:29 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:23:02 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/23/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 92 September 23, 2002 ** RUMSFELD'S LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES ** MORE SEPTEMBER 11 OVERSIGHT HEARINGS ** JUSTICE DEPT INFORMATION SHARING INITIATIVES ** NIMA DECLASSIFIES MORE HISTORICAL IMAGERY RUMSFELD'S LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES The Pentagon's hands are tied by all kinds of annoying laws that need to be changed, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld complained a few days ago. "Every week it seems, a senior official in this Department tells me we are constrained in our ability to do something by an obsolete legal provision. Similarly, I often hear of initiatives we would like to take, but for which we need additional authority," Secretary Rumsfeld wrote in a September 17 memo to senior Pentagon officials. Rumsfeld encouraged Pentagon officials to identify and request appropriate changes in the law. Rumsfeld's memo, obtained by Secrecy News, sets forth the Defense Department's top ten legislative priorities for the coming year, including "successfully pursue the global war on terrorism" and "optimize intelligence capabilities." A copy of the September 17 memo on "Legislative Priorities for Fiscal Year 2004" is posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/09/rum091702.pdf MORE SEPTEMBER 11 OVERSIGHT HEARINGS The Joint House-Senate Intelligence Committee inquiry into September 11 continues to yield substantive new information concerning the failure of U.S. intelligence agencies to effectively anticipate an attack on the United States. The second report by Joint Inquiry staff director Eleanor Hill is packed with remarkable details -- e.g., there are 70,000 suspected terrorists on the U.S. government's "watchlist" -- and it illuminates the government's failure to communicate and act on the intelligence that was obtained. Although the Joint Inquiry has yet to formulate any recommendations, the good news is that many of the specified failures should be susceptible to policy solutions. Ms. Hill's September 20 report, entitled "The Intelligence Community's Knowledge of the September 11 Hijackers Prior to September 11, 2001" is available here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092002hill.html Other testimony from the September 20 hearing is posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/index.html#joint3 JUSTICE DEPT INFORMATION SHARING INITIATIVES "Information sharing" is the order of the day, at least within the executive branch. The Justice Department has undertaken dozens of initiatives to promote interagency cooperation, as well as information sharing with state and local law enforcement agencies, according to a September 19 fact sheet. The Justice Department fact sheet, entitled "Overview of Information Sharing Initiatives in the War on Terrorism," is posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fs091902.html The Department's recognition of the value of information sharing does not seem to extend to the general public. In what may be the most absurd Freedom of Information Act case now pending in federal court, the Justice Department is still defending a CIA claim that declassification of the intelligence budget total from 1947 would damage U.S. national security and compromise intelligence sources and methods. The 1997 budget total was declassified five years ago. NIMA DECLASSIFIES MORE HISTORICAL IMAGERY In a coda to the ambitious declassification initiatives of the past Administration, the National Imagery and Mapping Agency last week declassified some 50,000 intelligence satellite images obtained in the 1960s and 1970s, pursuant to President Clinton's 1995 executive order 12951. "We embrace the spirit of declassification but we remain diligent in protecting our capabilities," said NIMA Deputy Director Joanne O. Isham, as she symbolically transferred the 4,000 rolls of film to Assistant National Archivist Michael J. Kurtz at a September 20 conference at the University of Maryland. "Take the risk of declassifying even more of your imagery," urged former Senator Bob Kerrey in an eloquent keynote address. "The public could benefit enormously from further declassification." As a Senator, Kerrey helped to initiate the imagery declassification program and to allocate funding for it. NIMA has posted historical background on overhead reconnaissance, answers to frequently asked questions, and information about accessing the newly declassified imagery here: http://www.nima.mil/pa/newsroom/history/ _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: It's A Missile Not A UFO - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:52:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: Re: It's A Missile Not A UFO - Ledger >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:41:46 +0200 >Subject: It's A Missile Not A UFO >Source: AP via azcentral.com, >http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0919missile-ON1.html >Stig >*** >It's a missile, not a UFO >Associated Press >Aug. 19, 2002 20:23:40 >** >Military officials launched a Minuteman Three missile tonight in >an exercise at Vandenburg Air Force Base, Calif.. >People from San Francisco to at least as far east as Phoenix >reported seeing the launch or the colored skies that result >afterward. Air Force officials say they routinely test the >reliability and accuracy of the missiles and there's no reason >for alarm. Jennifer Drummond, a dispatcher for the Central >Yavapai Fire District in Prescott, said she was getting calls >from as far south as Black Canyon City. Others also reported >seeing glowing lights in the skies in the Phoenix area. The >missile was expected to reach targets 4,200 miles away at the >Kwajalein Missile Range in the western Marshall Islands within a >half hour of launch. >Copyright 2002, azcentral.com. All rights reserved. In other words it was a UFO until the Air Force identified it. It's too bad we [meaning the press] can't get the appelation UFO straight as separated from unknown craft. Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' - Myers From: Royce J. Myers III - The UFO Watchdog <ufowatchdog@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:08:58 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:25:59 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' - Myers >From: Colm Kelleher <nids@anv.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:27:30 -0700 >Subject: 'Mystery Stalks The Prairie' >Mystery Stalks the Prairie: The full e-book is freely available >online on the NIDS web site at: >http://www.nidsci.org/whatsnew.html. Nice to see this book being offered for free. Linda Howe's website has it, but you have to pay the yearly subscription fee to download the book...$26 a year... Thanks Colm! Regards, Royce J. Myers III UFOWATCHDOG.COM
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:17:46 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:28:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations - Ledger >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:53:25 -0400 >Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:45:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: Re: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >>>From: Kelly Peterborough <kellymcg@attcanada.ca> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:47:38 -0400 >>>Subject: Doctors Create Out-Of-Body Sensations >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm >>>Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 18:02 GMT 19:02 UK >>>Doctors create out-of-body sensations <snip> >I know an O.B.E. discussion is 'off topic' but... >Great example! There are tons of cases like the one you cited. >For many decades cases such as Jim's have been documented, >catalogued and meticulously investigated by researchers at the >American Society of Psychical Research. >A visit to their webpage... >http://www.aspr.com/jaspr.htm >... will prove to be an interesting visit and time well spent >for any one who is interested in the subject. They always have a >few freebee articles from the journal available for public >consumption. Take the time to read a couple. >There is tons of material to be found at the site that relates >to ghosts, reincarnation, <-(Read the amazing case of B. Chand!) >telepathy, remote viewing, you name it, they've investigated it. Hi John, Nick et al, I don't want to prolong this thread either, however, I find it strange that the medical community would jump to make this claim without fulfilling the claimed criteria of those who've experienced OBEs, including a friend of mine and my own wife [drowned when she was 12]. In each case they were able to relate details that should have been out of their FOV. I've noted this before -in other areas- where only a few of the criteria were met but deemed enough to have solved the "mystery". Not very scientific. Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:53:15 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:32:33 -0400 Subject: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax I've added another supporting page to the trajectory hoax one. This details how Charles Moore altered the original Mogul Flight #5 trajectory plot, possibly to support his claim that Roswell base knew nothing of Project Mogul. Flight #5 passed only 4 miles south of Roswell base on June 5, 1947, according to the original Mogul plot. When doing his own graphics, Moore claimed that "The plot for Flight #5 was taken without change.." from the original graphic. But Moore removed the location of Roswell base as marked on the original plot. Then he substituted Roswell town in its place 6 miles to the north, but mislocated it 2 or 3 miles too far west. Finally he altered the crash location marked on the original plot, moving it 13 miles further east. The effect of these manipulations of the original graphic was to make it appear that Flight #5 never got closer than 10 miles to "Roswell" and also crashed about 31 miles east of "Roswell", instead of about 15 or 16 miles east of Roswell base as shown on the original plot. (Moore also lied about Flight 5's approach to Roswell base in a recent e-mail debate with Brad Sparks, claiming it never came closer than 15 or 20 miles. Karl Pflock, one of Moore's champions, acted as an intermediary between Sparks and Moore.) Details at: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4and5_changes.html This shows scans of the original Mogul plots and Moore's alterations. You can compare them side by side. It also compares his Flight #4 trajectory from 1995 with his revised one from 1997. The 1995 plot, which the skeptics were all originally raving about, appears to be nothing more than a free- hand sketch and guessed wind directions. When Moore got more detailed wind data from a nearby weather station, his 1995 "model" fell apart, because the winds were different from what he originally assumed. Moore then started flip-flopping on his original logic and stretching his assumptions (not to mention keeping 2 sets of books) to make his new, improved 1997 model work. This resulted in his "calculated" trajectory "exactly" to the Foster ranch which he presented in his book "UFO Crash at Roswell: The Genesis of a Modern Myth." Moore's 1995 graphic of Flights #4 & #5 was included in Appendix G of Karl Plfock's 2001 book, "Roswell: Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe." I've also added some of Pflock's spin- doctoring of Moore's 1995 model to the introduction of my primary Flight 4 page: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4_trajectory.html Considering how Moore has played fast and loose with the facts not to mention promoting his Flight 4 hoax, the subtitles of Moore's and Pflock's books are ironic if not amusing. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:33:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html >The next big Hollywood production focusing on the "paranormal" >will be Steven Spielberg's "Taken" which will delve into all >aspects of the alien abduction phenomenon. For those fans of >HBO's Band of Brothers it is supposed to be done the same way, a >mini-series with different directors for each episode. Will be >shown this December on Sci-Fi. Hi Bill, All, It is my fondest hope that if nothing else, this Series will get the general public thinking and talking about the abduction phenom. This televised series may be just what the doctor ordered to help educate and spark many viewers into further investigation. The more that people learn about the subject, the closer we'll get to a formal investigation. The day that happens, I will hang up my keyboard and retire as a battle weary participant in the struggle to raise public awareness about UFO abduction. The last seven years have been _grueling_ in terms of my involvement in ufology. I would _love_ to bow out of this mess. The sooner the better. I hope Spielberg does a good job of getting accurate information out to the public and that it becomes one of the 'most watched' television series in history . Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:34:22 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:35:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 >>Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>The Bexleyheath area is part of Bromley in East London. I tried >>to locate the September 4 story in the archives of >>'thisisLocalLondon,' but didn't succeed. I'm still looking, >>though. >>Stig >>Source: NEWSSHOPPER via the 'thisisLOCAL LONDON' network >>http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/bromley/display.var.625555.index.0.html Hello Stig, All I have printed out a copy of this and mailed it to Tim Good. As he lives in Beckenham, pretty close to Bromley, I hope he might have some information on the case. I will let you all know anything in due course. Regards Sean -- In an infinite universe, infinitely anything is possible. Sean Jones http://www.tedric.demon.co.uk/
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:49:23 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:57:12 -0700 >Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 >>Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>The Bexleyheath area is part of Bromley in East London. I tried >>to locate the September 4 story in the archives of >>'thisisLocalLondon,' but didn't succeed. I'm still looking, >>though. >>Stig Bromley is not too far away from where I work. I'll see if I can find anything more from the public library loacl recods. It'll be a few days before I can get to work on it. Can you wait that long? -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:22:02 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:51:43 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:51:38 +0100 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:17 -0700 >>Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>Stig, and Fellow Listafarians, >>Interesting to note that this description of the afore mentioned >>event is very similar to the one of the "side-effects" of what >>has become known as the 'Hutchison Effect'. >>A brief synopsis: >>John Hutchison, a rather eccentric self-proclaimed inventor >>assembled an 'anti-gravity device' which sometime seemed to >>'liquify' items he levitated with said device. When the device >>was shut off, the item would then 'resolidify'. (I saw the video >>tape, which was rather impressive). >>Finally, I believe the Canadian government confiscated his >>equipment, using some 'odd excuse' when Hutchison was trying to >>move his equipment to Japan, where he had found a financial >>backer to further his experiments. >The evidence for the so-called Hutchison effect seems to consist >of a few rather poor quality video tapes. I wrote about these in >Magonia 58 (January 1977) when they were shown to the British >UFO Resaerch Association, a not particularly critical audience, >where they met with considerable scepticism. >None of the alleged 'Hutchison Effects' in the pieces I saw >included anything that could not be reproduced by simple camera >trickery. This is of course, m'learned friends urge me to add, >not to say that they may not have been genuine, and that perhaps >other videos exist which undoubtedly show extraordinary effects >which will knock my socks off. >I am not holding my breath. Hi John & The Gang, According to an associate of Hutchison, (Mark A. Solis) evidence included and was not limited to, documentation on both "film and videotape," and has been witnessed many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers. Hutchison himself said, "these individuals represented US Army Intelligence, Canadian National News, McDonnel Douglas, Canadian Government, other news media and scientists. There were 750 demonstrations from 1970 to 1989." Regards, Frank
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Photos Of Sept 19 Minuteman III Missile Launch From: Frits Westra <fwestra@hetnet.nl> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:35:21 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:55:58 -0400 Subject: Photos Of Sept 19 Minuteman III Missile Launch Source: http://www.freqofnature.com/photos/mmiii/index.html --- Minuteman III Missile Launch from Vandenberg AFB September 19th 2002 A Minuteman III missile was launched from Vandenberg AFB at 7:30pm after a 90 minute launch delay. The delay put the launch right at dusk making for a spectacular view that could be seen for hundreds of miles. The WB6OBB repeater 147MHz on Broadcast Peak (Santa Barbara) followed the launch including comments from Brian Webb (KD6NRP) who was on the base to watch the launch. See Brian's web page at Rawhide Space Page II for more information and photos as well as dates of future missile launches. Another excellent web site is SoCal Sky Lights which also has photos and dates of future launches. The following photos were taken from my home in Simi Valley. Click on an image for a larger view. --- Frits Westra UFO Working Group Netherlands
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:15:03 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:58:02 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:51:38 +0100 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:48:17 -0700 >>Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>Stig, and Fellow Listafarians, >>Interesting to note that this description of the afore mentioned >>event is very similar to the one of the "side-effects" of what >>has become known as the 'Hutchison Effect'. >>A brief synopsis: >>John Hutchison, a rather eccentric self-proclaimed inventor >>assembled an 'anti-gravity device' which sometime seemed to >>'liquify' items he levitated with said device. When the device >>was shut off, the item would then 'resolidify'. (I saw the video >>tape, which was rather impressive). >>Finally, I believe the Canadian government confiscated his >>equipment, using some 'odd excuse' when Hutchison was trying to >>move his equipment to Japan, where he had found a financial >>backer to further his experiments. >The evidence for the so-called Hutchison effect seems to consist >of a few rather poor quality video tapes. I wrote about these in >Magonia 58 (January 1977) when they were shown to the British >UFO Resaerch Association, a not particularly critical audience, >where they met with considerable scepticism. >None of the alleged 'Hutchison Effects' in the pieces I saw >included anything that could not be reproduced by simple camera >trickery. This is of course, m'learned friends urge me to add, >not to say that they may not have been genuine, and that perhaps >other videos exist which undoubtedly show extraordinary effects >which will knock my socks off. >I am not holding my breath. >John Rimmer John, An entirely legitimate and justifiable skeptical statement, unless and until someone comes forth with more convincing data than poor-quality videotapes - like scientific test reports. - Dick P.S. It must be the End Time; I agree with John Rimmer on something.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:32:05 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:01:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 - Hall >From: Sue Darroch <sue@pararesearchers.org> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:41:47 -0400 >Subject: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 >Hello Errol, >I thought I would share the following with UpDates if I may - > this was submitted to our website today and apparently occurred >last night, but as we are strictly a Canadian group, based out >of Southern Ontario we cannot for obvious reasons personally >follow-up. I do have the contact info and further details from >the witness. >"It was 09/19/02 I live in <exact location deleted by >Pararesearchers> Florida. I watched survivor on TV and then at >9pm i went outside to smoke a cigarette. I looked east towards >Cocoa beach and saw what i thought to be 3 f16s flying. I live >near Nasa and a military base so this would not be too unusual. >I watched the three bright white lights go from parallel to >vertical within a half second which made me pay even more >attention. The lights started heading west towards me so I stood >and awaited them to fly over me so i could identify the craft (I >used to be a flight attendant and live with an airline captain >so planes always catch my eye)The three lights approached slowly >then stopped exactly above my house i then saw that it was one >craft not three, it was not noisy until it was above me I >watched in shock and disbelief as it hovered above me for >roughly 50 seconds, I felt no fear however just pure awe. When >the craft disappeared over the house i grabbed the phone to find >the non-emergency number to the police dept, I spoke to some >operator asking if anybody else reported seeing the same >thing....they said no but wanted details anyway. within 3 >minutes of making the phone call I heard sirens from both police >and fire department and within 40 minutes saw a helicopter land >in the vicinity of where I had first seen the light dancing. The >craft was Triangular/Chevron and was approximately 500ft above >me. I don't care to be believed but have been on web sites today >and read other peoples experiences that are exactly like mine, >therefore I feel ok with what I saw." >Thanks in advance and best wishes, >Sue Darroch Sue Darroch, Thanks for posting this very interesting report. I hope someone can be found for a referral so an on-the-spot interview can be conducted. - Dick Hall
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:36:03 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:33:26 -0400 Subject: Re: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form - Hall >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Subject: UFO UpDate: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:51:31 -0400 >For those interested..... >MUFON's 2001 Tax Forms >http://www.guidestar.org/pdf/2001/370/990/2001-370990161-1-9.pdf Just as a matter of curiosity, who is this from (poster not identified) and why is it being posted here? - Dick [Dick, Anything that's posted to the List with only the UpDates header comes from me. Its another UFO-related 'interesting' --ebk]
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:51:58 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:35:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:49:23 +0100 >Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:57:12 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>>From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 >>>Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >>>The Bexleyheath area is part of Bromley in East London. I tried >>>to locate the September 4 story in the archives of >>>'thisisLocalLondon,' but didn't succeed. I'm still looking, >>>though. >>>Stig >Bromley is not too far away from where I work. I'll see if I can >find anything more from the public library loacl recods. It'll >be a few days before I can get to work on it. Can you wait that >long? >John Rimmer Good show, John! You're acting like an investigator. I'm not sure my heart can stand it. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Andersen From: Kathleen Andersen <KAnder6444@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:51:29 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:37:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Andersen >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >I hope Spielberg does a good job of getting accurate information >out to the public and that it becomes one of the 'most watched' >television series in history. I agree John and we contributed information to them for the series. I told the production company that I felt it was important that they are aware of real cases that have been researched and especially those with multiple witness. I am sure they did not just take only MUFON cases but got material from other sources. With this great exposure I really hope that the general public becomes more aware of things that are going on. Kathleen Andersen MUFON (hey I got a promotion) State Director - Western Washington
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:21:24 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:39:14 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:22:02 -0700 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:51:38 +0100 >>Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>The evidence for the so-called Hutchison effect seems to consist >>of a few rather poor quality video tapes. I wrote about these in >>Magonia 58 (January 1977) when they were shown to the British >>UFO Resaerch Association, a not particularly critical audience, >>where they met with considerable scepticism. >>None of the alleged 'Hutchison Effects' in the pieces I saw >>included anything that could not be reproduced by simple camera >>trickery. This is of course, m'learned friends urge me to add, >>not to say that they may not have been genuine, and that perhaps >>other videos exist which undoubtedly show extraordinary effects >>which will knock my socks off. >>I am not holding my breath. >According to an associate of Hutchison, (Mark A. Solis) evidence >included and was not limited to, documentation on both "film and >videotape," and has been witnessed many times by numerous >credentialed scientists and engineers. >Hutchison himself said, "these individuals represented US Army >Intelligence, Canadian National News, McDonnel Douglas, Canadian >Government, other news media and scientists. There were 750 >demonstrations from 1970 to 1989." Yes, this has been asserted by Hutchison's British cheerleader Albert Budden also. Yet where can we see any of this evidence? Have any of these 750 demonstrations been independently reported? At the BUFORA meeting I referred to above (sorry, I should have written "1997", not "1977") Budden promised to send me reports from McDonald Douglas, JPL and the Max Planck Institute. None of these ever appeared, nor have any of the promised publication in refereed scientific journals. At the BUFORA meeting Budden was waving arouns a sheaf of plans to build your own Hutchison machine - only ten British pounds! Does anyone know anyone who bought these and built there own? -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:23:42 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:41:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 - Ledger >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:32:05 +0000 >Subject: Re: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 >>From: Sue Darroch <sue@pararesearchers.org> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:41:47 -0400 >>Subject: Florida Sighting 09-19-02 >>I thought I would share the following with UpDates if I may - >>this was submitted to our website today and apparently occurred >>last night, but as we are strictly a Canadian group, based out >>of Southern Ontario we cannot for obvious reasons personally >>follow-up. I do have the contact info and further details from >>the witness. >>"It was 09/19/02 I live in <exact location deleted by >>Pararesearchers>Florida. I watched survivor on TV and then at >>9pm i went outside to smoke a cigarette. I looked east towards >>Cocoa beach and saw what i thought to be 3 f16s flying. I live >>near Nasa and a military base so this would not be too unusual. >>I watched the three bright white lights go from parallel to >>vertical within a half second which made me pay even more >>attention. The lights started heading west towards me so I stood >>and awaited them to fly over me so i could identify the craft (I >>used to be a flight attendant and live with an airline captain >>so planes always catch my eye)The three lights approached slowly >>then stopped exactly above my house i then saw that it was one >>craft not three, it was not noisy until it was above me I >>watched in shock and disbelief as it hovered above me for >>roughly 50 seconds, I felt no fear however just pure awe. When >>the craft disappeared over the house i grabbed the phone to find >>the non-emergency number to the police dept, I spoke to some >>operator asking if anybody else reported seeing the same >>thing....they said no but wanted details anyway. within 3 >>minutes of making the phone call I heard sirens from both police >>and fire department and within 40 minutes saw a helicopter land >>in the vicinity of where I had first seen the light dancing. The >>craft was Triangular/Chevron and was approximately 500ft above >>me. I don't care to be believed but have been on web sites today >>and read other peoples experiences that are exactly like mine, >>therefore I feel ok with what I saw." >Thanks for posting this very interesting report. I hope someone >can be found for a referral so an on-the-spot interview can be >conducted. Hi Dick and Sue, There seem to be more of these triangular reports in recent weeks, perhaps months. And people want to know what they are. I've had a couple this week alone and 3 more in the last 30 days. One came to me via Brian Vike in BC re a sighting in Quebec in the last couple of days, which I responded to, however perhaps someone there would care to have a look at it. It was overcast in this case and the lights forming the triangle were clearly seen by a family. The thing is what to tell them. Same in my previous cases. Best, Don Ledger
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Government Meetings & Documents - Pope From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:46:09 +0100 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:43:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Government Meetings & Documents - Pope >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:41:55 EDT >Subject: Government Meetings & Documents >I thought the following article excerpt would be of >interest to people on the List, not because of current >events, but it shows how relying upon meeting schedules >(including so called private ones) to determine what was >discussed in a particular government meeting is not wise. >How does this tie into UFOs. It is possible that a >sensitive UFO subject could have been covered in a >meeting that is labeled under something else in >schedules, both private, and perhaps even classified >ones. Robert and List, Having worked for the British Ministry of Defence for seventeen years, I thought the following personal observations might be of interest, with regard to this point: Firstly, many meetings take place without any agenda or minutes being produced at all. This is especially the case at less formal, brainstorming sessions. On other occasions, only a brief summary of decisions reached and actions that need to be taken is written up. There are few hard and fast rules once you get away from procedures that apply to well-established, high- level committee meetings. Secondly, those chairing meetings will often turn to the Secretary and say something along the lines of "Now, and not for the minutes please ...". Thirdly, the most useful business often takes place after a meeting, when people break up into smaller groups and discuss areas of mutual interest. I can't comment on the point about items being creatively labelled, but I hope that the above is of use in supporting the general point that a paper trail will only go so far. Best Wishes, Nick Pope
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:45:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >>Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html >>The next big Hollywood production focusing on the "paranormal" >>will be Steven Spielberg's "Taken" which will delve into all >>aspects of the alien abduction phenomenon. For those fans of >>HBO's Band of Brothers it is supposed to be done the same way, a >>mini-series with different directors for each episode. Will be >>shown this December on Sci-Fi. >It is my fondest hope that if nothing else, this Series will get >the general public thinking and talking about the abduction >phenom. This televised series may be just what the doctor >ordered to help educate and spark many viewers into further >investigation. >The more that people learn about the subject, the closer we'll >get to a formal investigation. The day that happens, I will hang >up my keyboard and retire as a battle weary participant in the >struggle to raise public awareness about UFO abduction. The last >seven years have been _grueling_ in terms of my involvement in >ufology. I would _love_ to bow out of this mess. The sooner the >better. The downside being, of course, that the more people are aware of the phenomenon, the harder it will be to filter out the genuine experiencers from those that are simply influenced by overexposure of the phenomenon through the media. It was great when we had exactly one famous case, the Hills, against which new incoming cases such as Walton and Moody could be compared. Now my five- year-old granddaughter could probably come up with a scenario reasonably close to the "classic", just through media exposure. The one hope for this is the stuff that Budd and Dave et al have hopefully NOT yet released into the media pipeline - the "exoglyphs," and a couple of other common elements that seem to crop up in various cases. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 23 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:45:15 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:33:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser >From: Kathleen Andersen <KAnder6444@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:51:29 EDT >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>I hope Spielberg does a good job of getting accurate information >>out to the public and that it becomes one of the 'most watched' >>television series in history. >I agree John and we contributed information to them for the >series. >I told the production company that I felt it was important that >they are aware of real cases that have been researched and >especially those with multiple witness. I am sure they did not >just take only MUFON cases but got material from other sources. >With this great exposure I really hope that the general public >becomes more aware of things that are going on. Kathleen: I don't really see a problem with exposure or public awareness. In fact I think we'd be hard put to find an American above the age of 8 who does not "know about" abductions, or could not describe a grey or detail an alien medical exam. I think it's more a problem of belief at this point. We can throw 'data' at the American public till the cows come home; what can we do to get them to take the subject seriously? 'Close Encounters' not withstanding, I doubt Spielberg is the man to do that. >MUFON (hey I got a promotion) >State Director - Western Washington Mazel Tov! ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:08:05 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:01:04 -0400 Subject: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video Folks, I know its been covered before but, I'd like you to look at this: http://www.ufovideo.com/videos/analysis.php Download the August 6, 1997 video that has the building stablized. I did this process a few years back. When watching the clip you'll notice that when the saucer rotates next to the building it pops up and down quickly. Basically hopping up and down rapidly. This is hard to notice with the orginal clip. Deconstructing the video I find it hard to believe this is merely a screw-up made by the 'video animator' placing the object into a composite shot. The up and down jerking could be a screw-up, but why only up and down? If the animator didn't place the object properly in the video, it should have the same jerking effect, left, right and diagonally, but it doesn't. I know Jeff Sanio dismissed the entire event because of a couple of out-of-focus stills with the saucer and the building. I saw those stills when I hand stabilized the video. I noticed the background was also out of focus along with the saucer and it didn't seem out of place. However I dismissed Jeff's analysis as being mistaken since he didn't explain the eyewitnesses. Take a look yourself and make your own conclusions. Tom King www.ufovideo.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 James Whale's UK Show UFOs Feature From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:39:45 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:12:11 -0400 Subject: James Whale's UK Show UFOs Feature I'm a regular guest on James Whale's show on Talksport (An independent national radio station in the United Kingdom), and am scheduled to be on for two hours on Wednesday September 25, starting at 11pm. I'll be chatting to James about the latest developments in ufology, and taking calls from listeners who want to express their views on the subject, or report sightings. A key topic for discussion will be the UFO conference that was put on by UFO Magazine (The UK title) in Leeds this past weekend. Speakers included Stanton Friedman, Roger Leir, Michael Hesemann, Georgina Bruni and Philip Mantle. UK listeners can find Talksport at 1053 or 1089 AM. Best Wishes, Nick Pope
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:33:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:16:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >>>Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html <snip> Hello Jim, You wrote: >The one hope for this is the stuff that Budd and Dave et al have >hopefully NOT yet released into the media pipeline - the >"exoglyphs," and a couple of other common elements that seem to >crop up in various cases. Man don't get me started! I recently asked Greg Sandow if he had heard anything from Stuart Appelle regarding the "exoglyphs" as you call them. Both Greg and I worked hard to get Budd to submit that material to Stuart for analysis. One of the samples that was submitted came from me. Budd had six of those exoglyph samples (7 years ago) and I became number seven. I am more than a little curious about the results (if any) of that particular study. Greg never responded to my inquiry. Quite possibly because he doesn't have any news about them either. It's been three years with no word, and I _still_ haven't heard a peep out of any one as to what ever became of those samples, or, the proposed 'study.' Inquiring minds want to know! ;) Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:30:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:13:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Kathleen Andersen <KAnder6444@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:51:29 EDT >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>I hope Spielberg does a good job of getting accurate information >>out to the public and that it becomes one of the 'most watched' >>television series in history. >I agree John and we contributed information to them for the series. >I told the production company that I felt it was important that >they are aware of real cases that have been researched and >especially those with multiple witness. I am sure they did not >just take only MUFON cases but got material from other sources. >With this great exposure I really hope that the general public >becomes more aware of things that are going on. >Kathleen Andersen Hi Kathleen, You wrote: >MUFON (hey I got a promotion) >State Director - Western Washington Congrats! Hey, does that mean I have to snap to attention and 'salute' if I should run into you somewhere? :) Warm regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14-02 - From: Tom Benson <sparkle@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:11:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:45:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14-02 - >From: Loren Coleman <lcolema1@maine.rr.com> >To: <Flatwoods@lorencoleman.com> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:51:39 -0400 >Subject: Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 >http://www.lorencoleman.com/Flatwoods.html >Flatwoods Monster Festival Sept 12-14, 2002 >For more information about the 1952 Monster sighting, see >'Chapter 1: Flatwoods', in Mothman and Other Curious Encounters >(NY: Paraview, 2002): >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1931044341/mothmanbooks-20 >Stanton T. Friedman, ufologist, will be the honorary guest >lecturer at this years Flatwoods Monster 50th Anniversary Event. >Mr. Friedman will accompany author Frank Feschino for the three >day festival in Flatwoods W.V. Mr. Friedman will lecture about >the government cover-up of UFO crashes, stemming from the 1947 >Roswell NM. incident to the Flatwoods Monster Incident of 1952. Stan Friedman and other list attendees: How did the Flatswood festival turnout? Tom Benson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:54:09 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:49:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Speiser >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:33:05 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >>>>Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html ><snip> >Hello Jim, >You wrote: >>The one hope for this is the stuff that Budd and Dave et al have >>hopefully NOT yet released into the media pipeline - the >>"exoglyphs," and a couple of other common elements that seem to >>crop up in various cases. >Man don't get me started! I recently asked Greg Sandow if he had >heard anything from Stuart Appelle regarding the "exoglyphs" as >you call them. Both Greg and I worked hard to get Budd to submit >that material to Stuart for analysis. One of the samples that >was submitted came from me. Budd had six of those exoglyph >samples (7 years ago) and I became number seven. I am more than >a little curious about the results (if any) of that particular >study. Greg never responded to my inquiry. Quite possibly >because he doesn't have any news about them either. >It's been three years with no word, and I _still_ haven't heard >a peep out of any one as to what ever became of those samples, >or, the proposed 'study.' >Inquiring minds want to know! ;) Yes, I just concluded a correspondence with Greg on that very subject. He has, indeed, nothing to report. (But as usual he reports it so eloquently). I was bugging Budd and Dave about these a decade and more ago. "When are you going to release these for independent study?" "Soon," said Budd; "When Budd does," said Dave. <sigh> ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 'Beyond' Is Now Free From: Philip Mantle <philipmantle@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:03:20 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:46:53 -0400 Subject: 'Beyond' Is Now Free ANNOUNCEMENT Beyond Publications are pleased to announce that its BEYOND web site (www.beyondpublications.com) has now removed its subscription and it is therefore available free of charge. BEYOND covers a wide range of topics including: UFOs, the paranormal/psychic phenomena, cryptozoology, alternative history, new/free energy, cover-ups/conspiracies and a whole lot more. If you are interested in any of these subjects why not take a look at BEYOND. Regards, Philip Mantle. Editor Beyond Publications. www.beyondpublications.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:35:37 -0700 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:52:39 -0400 Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:21:24 +0100 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:22:02 -0700 >>Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs <snip> >>According to an associate of Hutchison, (Mark A. Solis) evidence >>included and was not limited to, documentation on both "film and >>videotape," and has been witnessed many times by numerous >>credentialed scientists and engineers. >>Hutchison himself said, "these individuals represented US Army >>Intelligence, Canadian National News, McDonnel Douglas, Canadian >>Government, other news media and scientists. There were 750 >>demonstrations from 1970 to 1989." >Yes, this has been asserted by Hutchison's British cheerleader >Albert Budden also. Yet where can we see any of this evidence? >Have any of these 750 demonstrations been independently >reported? >At the BUFORA meeting I referred to above (sorry, I should have >written "1997", not "1977") Budden promised to send me reports >from McDonald Douglas, JPL and the Max Planck Institute. None of >these ever appeared, nor have any of the promised publication in >refereed scientific journals. >At the BUFORA meeting Budden was waving arouns a sheaf of plans >to build your own Hutchison machine - only ten British pounds! >Does anyone know anyone who bought these and built there own? Hello John, Let me say first you have me at a disadvantage, as I have never "researched/investigated" the work of John Hutchison. I did in fact watch a show on him and his experiments more then once, which I believe appeared on the "Discovery Channel" or something similar. In addition I have occasionally come across various things about his work on the web etc. I do have a "keen interest" in the topic of his research, however. (As I'm sure most of the readers and participants of this list do). Having said that, I initially brought up the subject of Hutchison's work because of the similarities that I witnessed from the afore mentioned television program on Hutchison, and the reports given therein, and the "Nasa report" about aerospace technology, and in particular the statement about smart materials; "substances with uncanny properties, such as the ability to bend on command, "feel" pressure, and transform from liquid to solid when placed in a magnetic field." The correlation between the two I thought very curious to say the least. Moreover the Nasa report was reminiscent of Corso's book , as well as the many descriptions as what has become known as "memory metal" from the "Roswell incident" etc. I find it quite "peculiar" that what our government has been denying for years, in particular the "Roswell incident, the descriptions of the craft, its technology and or materials found in association with the event are now, ironically, becoming an "admitted reality" being developed by NASA! Of course many will say that this is purely coincidental. For me, I'm going to take Corso's book back out of my library, and put it in the stack that is piling on my desk. In regards to Hutchison John, "if" the Hutchison tapes, and his claims, have no merit whatsoever, what do you feel are "his" motivations to make such claims, as well has his "cheerleaders?" Hutchison says, "In my files I have many reports, letters, videos and metal samples collecting dust. If indeed there is interest I can release for publication the old files of observations through Vigier of France, Max Planck Labs of Germany and other agencies." If you still are interested in John Hutchison and his work, may I suggest you contact him directly. I believe the following is his "correct" e-mail address: john_hutchison@geocities.com Regards, Frank
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Government Meetings & Documents - Pope From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:32:08 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:53:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Government Meetings & Documents - Pope >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:41:55 EDT >Subject: Government Meetings & Documents >I thought the following article excerpt would be of >interest to people on the List, not because of current >events, but it shows how relying upon meeting schedules >(including so called private ones) to determine what was >discussed in a particular government meeting is not wise. >How does this tie into UFOs. It is possible that a >sensitive UFO subject could have been covered in a >meeting that is labeled under something else in >schedules, both private, and perhaps even classified >ones. Robert and List, Further to my earlier post on your observation, I've remembered a good example of creative labelling. The following is taken from Martin Gilbert's book Churchill: A Life (The Pocket Edition). In the paperback edition I have, it appears on page 204: " At a dinner in the third week of February, Churchill was impressed by a proposal put to him by Major Thomas Hetherington, attached to the Royal Naval Air Division at the Admiralty, for experimental work for a large cross-country armoured car that would not only carry guns, but would surmount obstacles, trenches and barbed wire. Churchill asked the Director of Naval Construction at the Admiralty, Captain Eustace Tennyson D'Eyncourt, to try to design such a 'land ship'. To mystify those who might accidentally see the designs, the 'land ships' were to be called 'water-carriers for Russia'. When it was pointed out that this might be abbreviated to 'WCs for Russia' the name was changed to water-tanks, then to 'tanks'. " I hope this is helpful. Best Wishes, Nick Pope
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:06:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:04:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Balaskas >From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:00:49 -0700 >Subject: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 <snip> >Pictures are up on my site at: >http://www.geocities.com/ufologia_canadiana/woodmere3.html <snip> Hi Brian! Hi everyone! I visited your web site and I liked it a lot, especially the detailed accounts of the various UFO sightings recorded there. As for the UFO images which I found in your web site, I would like to say that the Francois Lake UFO looks very much like birds that are found in some of my own pictures. This is also supported by the witness' account who took two other pictures just before this where this UFO is absent. One other comment, when it comes to digital images, simple enhancing may smooth out features such as wings and legs on birds to make them look more cigar or saucer shaped. By do so, it makes one's case less convincing to me. The Kitimat UFO video images (why was only one frame shown?) look very much like flying bugs as they appear when they are close to the camera and backlit by a bright light such as the Sun. Even pollen and other floating particulate matter can appear as bright UFOs under such conditions. It these UFOs were rapidly moving roundish objects that produced the streaks in this single image, then the non-parallel flying UFO would have crashed or landed a few frames later! Just my thoughts as someone who is not an expert in photography - and even one may be considered as an unscientific rumour monger by some. ;o) Nick Balaskas P.S. If you can provide me with Jeff Sainio's mailing address, I have a photo of my own which I want to send him. It is a picture I took of him taken at the 2002 MUFON Symposium. I positioned my camera so that one small bright light in the darkened auditorium was just above his head. When others see this photo, their first impressions is that I captured a UFO in the night sky. The point I want to make here is that we often see what we want to see and a bird or a bug in a picture can appear as a flying saucer to some.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Russian Miltary UFO Photos From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:53:43 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:03:29 -0400 Subject: Russian Miltary UFO Photos Photographs of UFOs taken by Russian Military at: http://thewhyfiles.co.uk - see "The Russian Files" Geoff Richardson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: James Whale's UK Show UFOs Feature - Richardson From: Geoff Richardson <geoff@fastdog.karoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:40:26 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:06:33 -0400 Subject: Re: James Whale's UK Show UFOs Feature - Richardson >From: Nick Pope <nick@popemod.freeserve.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:39:45 +0100 >Subject: UK Radio Show Feature On UFOs >I'm a regular guest on James Whale's show on Talksport (An >independent national radio station in the United Kingdom), and >am scheduled to be on for two hours on Wednesday September 25, >starting at 11pm. >I'll be chatting to James about the latest developments in >ufology, and taking calls from listeners who want to express >their views on the subject, or report sightings. >A key topic for discussion will be the UFO conference that was >put on by UFO Magazine (The UK title) in Leeds this past >weekend. Speakers included Stanton Friedman, Roger Leir, >Michael Hesemann, Georgina Bruni and Philip Mantle. >UK listeners can find Talksport at 1053 or 1089 AM. Nick I have listened to The James Whale Show when you have been a guest on numerous occasions - it can be quite entertaining but is there any remote chance that we might learn something new? The shows usually involves going over the same ground repeatedly with a reliance upon incoming phone calls to create subjects for discussion. I do realise that it might involve effort on your part but is there any chance at all of enlightening the listeners with details of some new research you are involved in - in fact anything proving that, in some cases, UFOlogy has not gone stagnant? Regards, Geoff Richardson
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:19:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >>>Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html >>>The next big Hollywood production focusing on the "paranormal" >>>will be Steven Spielberg's "Taken" which will delve into all >>>aspects of the alien abduction phenomenon. For those fans of >>>HBO's Band of Brothers it is supposed to be done the same way, a >>>mini-series with different directors for each episode. Will be >>>shown this December on Sci-Fi. >>It is my fondest hope that if nothing else, this Series will get >>the general public thinking and talking about the abduction >>phenom. This televised series may be just what the doctor >>ordered to help educate and spark many viewers into further >>investigation. >>The more that people learn about the subject, the closer we'll >>get to a formal investigation. The day that happens, I will hang >>up my keyboard and retire as a battle weary participant in the >>struggle to raise public awareness about UFO abduction. The last >>seven years have been _grueling_ in terms of my involvement in >>ufology. I would _love_ to bow out of this mess. The sooner the >>better. Hi Jim, I hope you don't mind the 'double' response to the same post. I would like to comment on a couple of things that I missed the first go-round. Please forgive the lengthy response. There's just no 'quick' way to say certain things. ;) You wrote: >The downside being, of course, that the more people are aware of >the phenomenon, the harder it will be to filter out the genuine >experiencers from those that are simply influenced by >overexposure of the phenomenon through the media. It's actually not quite as hard as you might think. There is still no broadly accepted set of criteria that one can use as a kind of yardstick to help in identifying the 'real thing,' but it isn't impossible. The 'diagnostic tools' that I employ are for the most part based on certain details and 'sequences' of events that only someone who has had to live through such an experience would know about. Budd loves to talk. Besides the thousands I have communicated with myself over the years, Budd gave me a five year long Master Class on the subject of abduction. Certain cases, when presented in conjunction with a few important indicators I will mention later, makes the job of prioritizing cases for further investigation a do-able task. Note that I didn't say it was an "easy" one. :) I agree with you though... there are damn few of those pristine 'indicators' left that haven't been published somewhere by someone. >It was great >when we had exactly one famous case, the Hills, against which >new incoming cases such as Walton and Moody could be compared. >Now my five- year-old granddaughter could probably come up with >a scenario reasonably close to the "classic", just through media >exposure. Experience counts for a lot Jim. 'Most people' wouldn't be able to put one past an experienced goalie that has studied several thousand reports. Much less anyone who has spent _years_ communicating one on one and conducting lengthy interviews with "experiencers." But again, I have to agree with you that dissemination by the media of the many details that are directly associated with UFO abduction have made the job of identifying potentially 'legit' cases much more difficult than it was say, fifteen or twenty years ago. It does take a bit more digging now-a-days, but it isn't 'Mission Impossible' either. The truth is; the really good/solid cases just jump up and bite you on the ass. The kind and amount of the attendant details and corroborative circumstantial evidence can 'sometimes' make the case/individual stick out like a sore thumb. At a certain point, with certain cases, even a blind man can see that there is a genuine mystery being presented that begs for/demands further investigation. Not enough of that is happening with many of those cases/individuals. Personal note: I was lucky. Budd spent years working with me. (and for a short period a psychologist.) Not every one is so fortunate. So many are suffering quietly, waiting for help to become available. My heart gets ripped out three to five times a week from talking with/interacting with people reporting UFO/alien abduction. They are the main reason that I am here. If I didn't do this for myself, my family, and for them, I wouldn't be look myself in the eye in the mirror each morning. Pardon my French but, I could give less than a sh*t for 'attention' or 'notoriety.' This is about very real human suffering. Nothing more, nothing less. >The one hope for this is the stuff that Budd and Dave et al have >hopefully NOT yet released into the media pipeline - the >"exoglyphs," and a couple of other common elements that seem to >crop up in various cases. Regrettably, the number of 'useful' diagnostic tools has dwindled down to just a few. It's not a lot to go on anymore. But it is all that we have. When those indicators turn up in tandem with a report from a credible individual(s) it only helps to strengthen the case. Not to "prove" it. It is very important for everyone to realize that; no one, regardless of how much experience they may have, can diagnose or determine with any degree of certainty whether or not any given individual is _actually_ being abducted by aliens in UFOs. People contact me all the time asking _me_ if I can tell them if they are being abducted by aliens. (Or not) After I inform them that I am not the Psychic Hotline, and that _no_one_ can make the kind of call/determination that they are asking me to make, they usually sober up a little and settle down to the grunt work of providing me with as much detail and information as they can. There's no getting around the fact that compiling data about anything is demanding and can be very tedious. One can only present a strong case for abduction based on some kind of compelling corroborative or physical evidence. (ie; ground traces, multiple witnesses, physical marks or fully healed scars that appear _literally_ over-night, or in conjunction with a UFO event/sighting, etc.) There are damn few reports that include/incorporate some or all of those elements. It helps to make the job of weeding out the 'weaker' cases easier. Cases that are just impossible to investigate, such as reports that are based only on the content of someone's dreams, eliminate themselves. But, after all is said and done, there remains a hard core of cases literally beg for further investigation. I work towards and patiently await that day. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:30:17 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:30:17 -0400 Subject: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020923/stevenson_noise= _pollution_020920/SciTech/story/ Mysterious noise pollution is known as The Hum Mark Stevenson, CTV Environment reporter VANCOUVER =97 It was around Christmas three years ago when Goff Longworth first heard the mysterious hum. He was at home when all of a sudden it started. "For the first two or three nights I was going from room to room just trying to get rid of the sound so I could sleep," says Longworth, a Vancouver-area fisheries biologist. "I even went into the garage, and it was out there as well." Longworth drove around searching for the source, bringing him eventually to a nearby port where trains were being loaded with coal while the locomotives were left running. At first, he thought he had found the source of his problem. But a few days later the trains departed and the noise was still there. "For me, that dismissed the coal port as a potential culprit." His ears were tested. They were fine. So he continued to search for the source, something he describes as a "deep, rumbling, pulsating sound." Meanwhile, the noise began to take a toll on his health. He suffered from headaches, insomnia, tension and dizziness. "It just disrupts your entire life," says Longworth, 55. "Imagine sound going on in your inner ear, 24 hours a day, while you are in your house. You can't get rid of it by putting plugs in your ears. You can imagine how that would start to wear you down. And you talk to people and no one else can hear it." Known by suffers on both sides of the Atlantic as The Hum, the low-frequency sound has baffled both researchers and sufferers. Some are driven to wander the streets at night in search of the source, fostering conspiracy theories. And sufferers claim their plight is ignored by the medical community. "These sounds can be extremely disturbing and can have a major impact on their lives. It can get to the point it drives them to suicide," says Murray Hodgson, an acoustician in the school of occupational and environmental hygiene at the University of British Columbia. "They usually approach their medical practitioner for help, and often they know nothing about the phenomenon, possibly sending them to an audiologist who measures their hearing sensitivity at higher frequencies. So it really doesn't help at all." Those who hear The Hum say the low-frequency noise is greater indoors than outdoors, and many can also hear it in a car when the engine is turned off. It is audible to about two per cent of the population, they say, and most of them are 50 years of age or older. They describe it as either "an idling diesel engine or drone of a distant aircraft," saying that earplugs and soundproofing are ineffective. The frequency is said to range from 30 to 80 Hz. They claim to suffer from a common range of ailments, including headaches, insomnia, nausea, dizziness, blurred vision and nose bleeds. A recent study published in the journal Life Sciences found that low frequency noise is harmful to human health. Researchers exposed 32 workers to low-frequency noise at a level of 40 dBA while on the job. The findings supported the researchers' theory that even a moderate low frequency noise can put extra strain on people, leading to "detrimental physical and psychological effects." The report found that the workers suffered from unusual tiredness, concentration difficulties and "a feeling of pressure on the head and over the eardrums." Kathy Pichora-Fuller, an audiologist at the University of Toronto, first came across a number of people complaining about The Hum when she sat on Vancouver's urban noise task force in the 90s. Pichora-Fuller remains skeptical, and believes that many sufferers have auditory problems such as tinnitus, which causes people to hear a buzzing or ringing in their ears. However, she believes an external, low frequency force may be responsible. One problem for researchers is that The Hum is apparently only audible only to those who suffer from it, and the range is generally considered too low for the human ear to detect. Pichora-Fuller speculates that the low frequency noise interacts with buildings and other structures, amplifying the sound, which is essentially a vibration. This might explain why the noise is heard primarily indoors. And some people with hearing that has become extraordinarily sensitive, she explains, are somehow detecting it. "I have never been convinced that people in Vancouver were subjected to some diabolical noise source," says Pichora-Fuller. The Hum heard 'round the world In Britain, people began complaining about the so-called Bristol Hum in the 70s. During that time, the Sunday Mirror gave the problem national media coverage when it asked its readers in a headline, "Have you heard the Hum?" Almost 800 people are said to have replied yes. The national government eventually did a survey of local authorities to gauge the number of complaints about low-frequency noise, finding that an average of 500 people did a year. Residents of Taos, N.M., have long mentioned the existence of an irritating noise, referred to as the Taos Hum. In 1993 they caught the attention of a New Mexico congressional delegation, leading to an investigation. Joe Mullins, a former University of New Mexico physicist, was part of a team of researchers who combed the area for a week with highly sensitive equipment. While investigators were unable to find a source, Mullins remains convinced that it is not something that is in the minds of sufferers; rather, it is something very real. The investigation determined that the vast majority of so-called Taos "hearers" were in fact hearing low frequencies inaudible to everyone else. However, the inquiry did not put an end to local conspiracy theories. Many people, he says, remain convinced the U.S. defence department is behind The Hum. "It's still a mystery," he says. "But it is very real." Many in Kokomo, Indiana, blame low-frequency noise for causing a range of ailments, including headaches, diarrhea, joint pain and fatigue. They say the so-called Kokomo Hum started in 1999, bringing the deep growl of an idling train to the sleepy industrial city of 47,000. Still, many in the city do not believe it exists. Those who have complained about the noise have been accused of superhuman hearing and asked facetiously if they also see "little green men." But the complaints are being taken seriously. The city has earmarked $100,000 U.S. to hire an acoustical engineering firm to study the problem. The Victoria Hum Bernie McCarron started hearing a similar sound from his Victoria, B.C., townhouse about five or six years ago and its been grinding on his nerves ever since. "It has effects on you emotionally, physically, psychologically, even spiritually," says McCarron, 78. "You just get so frustrated." Inside his garage, McCarron has a map of Vancouver Island with about 40 pins on it, most of them around Victoria, representing people he knows who also hear The Hum. The retired English teacher spends much of his spare time corresponding with other sufferers, trying to get the city to recognize the problem. McCarron describes the Victoria-area hum as a low-frequency "hummmm"; while others say it is more of a "whump=85. whump=85 whump," similar to the base from a car pumping out deafening music. To concentrate and to sleep, McCarron plays classical music and uses a device he purchased from Sears that produces white noise to drown out The Hum. "I know of three or four people pushed to the limit, [to] breakdowns, because they can't figure out what it is," says McCarron. "Every night. Every week. Every month it has an effect on you." While Victoria is not currently investigating the problem, Dan Scoones, a senior bylaw officer with the city, has no doubt it exists. Scoones has received numerous complains over the years about The Hum, and the subject recently came up during discussions on the city's new noise bylaw. "I have no doubt it exists because people who report it are sound mentally," he says. "They are all kinds of people and they come from all walks of life." Scoones says he can relate to people who hear low frequency noises because he also suffers from extra-sensitive hearing, but in his case he hears high-frequency noises at the other end of the spectrum. Unfortunately, little can be done at present to put an end to the problem, says Scoones. For one, the source has not been identified, he says. As well, if the source was found and determined to be far off beyond city limits, as many sufferers contend, it would not violate the city's noise bylaw. "I can't hear the thing. So it's difficult to enforce something that's not identifiable," says Scoones. "Besides, there is no reason reason why the noise bylaw would apply if there's a real source." Research into the source of The Hum has been sparse and inconclusive. But those who hear it on both sides of the Atlantic, blame unintentional industrial noises, along with distant traffic, aircraft, and trains, according to a British website devoted to the subject. As well, sufferers point the finger at Loran C, radio transmissions used for marine navigation. All can produce low-frequency sound waves that can travel long distances. Goff Longworth, the Vancouver fisheries biologist, hopes local officials will take The Hum seriously, investigating the problem to put an end to suffering and conspiracy theories that somehow the government or military is involved. He is tired of people dismissing it and he remains convinced that people who hear the mysterious noise suffer from a physiological condition that makes their hearing hyper-sensitive at some point during the course of their lives. He now knows 35 people in his area alone who suffer from the problem. Fortunately for Longworth, he stopped hearing The Hum about nine months ago. Still, he worries the mysterious noise will come again. "I thank God I don't hear it now but I tremble in fear with the thought of it returning." ----- UFO UpDates thanks www.theanomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Much Unexplained About 'UFO'shkosh From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:59 -0400 Subject: Much Unexplained About 'UFO'shkosh http://www.wisinfo.com/northwestern/news/archive/local_6212560.shtml Posted Sept. 24, 2002 Much unexplained about 'UFO'shkosh Conference seeks answers to paranormal signs By Alex Hummel of the Northwestern Beer. Cheese. Crop circles? Aside from the Packers' recent on-field performance, the Badger State boasts quite a file of "the unexplained" - as in Bigfoot sightings, eerie farmland apparitions and crop circles. For the price of a movie and soda, a conference Sunday in Neenah invites the public to witness Wisconsin's weird side, from homegrown UFO phenomena to heavenly angels to evidence of past lives. "I think people have always had these questions, and now it has become so mainstream that they feel like they can go to a conference and it's not going to be new-agers with crystal balls," said Chad Lewis, a 28 year-old Eau Claire resident and conference speaker on "Strange Wisconsin." "It's regular people going to these conferences." Lewis dubs himself a paranormal researcher. He recently earned a degree in Applied Psychology from the University of Wisconsin- Stout with a thesis on college students' beliefs in the paranormal. He has been touring the state with conferences like the one planned for Neenah's Park Plaza Valley Inn. The forums last about two-and-a-half hours and typically draw between 100 to 200 people, Lewis said. They ride a recent wave of sci-fi seasoned skepticism. "The X- Files" struck a nerve with the black-helicopter crowd about a decade ago, but most recently the crop-circle flic "Signs" and T.V. guru John Edward, who reunites dead or "crossed over" people with the living have made waves. Lewis' presentation is billed as a discussion of "his investigations of ghosts, UFO's, alien abductions, crop circles, bigfoot and haunted sites from Wisconsin=85" He said he always caters his portion of the conference to the area he is visiting. Lewis said he'd discuss a 1903 mass sighting of a UFO in the Appleton area and, among other things like the Oshkosh woman who died yawning the same year, a 1910 report of a large alligator in Lake Winnebago south of Oshkosh. "What a lot of people don't understand is when we have a bigfoot sighting such as we had in Granton in 2000, a lot of these things make national news," he said. "Wisconsin also has the second highest rate of reported UFO sightings after New Mexico." Lewis will be joined by Judy Meinen, an Eau Claire-area registered nurse and healing touch practitioner who will "demonstrate various techniques to use while encountering an =91eerie' feeling": i.e., the possibility of the presence of angels. Also on the bill is Bob Salt, a UW-Stout professor of human development and a past life therapist discussing reincarnation. "I'm not talking about faith," Salt said. "I'm talking about people who actually remember other lifetimes. There are little children who just spontaneously remember previous lifetimes and adults can do it through hypnosis or maybe a repeated dream. What I'm going to do is describe the research done by scholars compiling cases, and there are thousands." Lewis said, at their core, the conferences always appeal to those folks with the big questions. "It's the basic questions we humans have always had," he said. "Are we alone in the universe? What happens when we die? They are all these questions people ask when they sit down and talk about stuff=85 Even if they don't necessarily believe, a lot of people say, =91I'm a skeptic, but I really like the information. It's given me a lot to think about.' " Alex Hummel: (920) 426-6669 or ahummel@smgpo.gannett.com --- UFO UpDates thanks www.theanomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Kew Joins The Magic Circle From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:40 -0400 Subject: Kew Joins The Magic Circle http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=703963 Kew Joins The Magic Circle by Graham Keeley They are usually found in farmers' fields and have just inspired the Hollywood hit, Signs. But the latest mysterious crop circle has been discovered in the unlikely confines of the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew. Baffled staff found the 60ftwide creation in a five-acre field of wheat. Described as a giant shield "with a pimple or a petal at the centre", the crop circle has become an unplanned attraction at Kew. Officials there deny it is a publicity stunt. Whoever was behind it, they say, broke into the gardens by climbing over an 8ft- high wall. The circle appeared last week in a field of wheat grown to show visitors the kind of wild plants, such as poppies and cornflowers, which can no longer prosper in farmland because of pesticides. Stewart Henchie, head of Kew's hardy plants display section, said: "Who or how they got into the field is beyond me. It looks like people were working on it for hours." Visitors will be able to glimpse the circle from a large mound, but the best views are likely to be from planes en route to Heathrow. The Royal Parks Constabulary said it received no reports of a break-in at Kew last week. ----- UFO UpDates thanks www.theanomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Pioneer Spacecraft & Space 0ddity From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:35:46 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:35:46 -0400 Subject: Pioneer Spacecraft & Space 0ddity http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=3D335901 Space Oddity Nasa's Pioneer probes are in the grip of a baffling force. Could it, asks Marcus Chown, rewrite the laws of physics? 23 September 2002 A mysterious force is tugging on Nasa's ancient Pioneer spacecraft, retarding them as they streak out towards the distant stars. It amounts to a mere 10-billionth of a "g" =96 gravitational force. Yet it could bring the entire edifice of physics tumbling down. Pioneer 10 and 11 have been in space for an astonishing three decades. They were launched on 2 March 1972 and 4 December 1973, respectively, with Pioneer 10 the first spacecraft to fly by the giant planet Jupiter, and Pioneer 11 the first to visit both Jupiter and Saturn. "After those encounters, we thought the mission was over," says the Pioneer astronomer John Anderson of Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena. "How wrong we were." Anderson and his colleagues continued to track the probes using the giant dishes of Nasa's Deep Space Network. "By 1980, when Pioneer 10 was 20 times farther from the Sun than the Earth =96 halfway between Uranus and Neptune =96 it was clear that the probes were not where our calculations said they should be." Both probes were feeling a tiny force in addition to gravity. In both cases, it was of the same magnitude and directed towards the Sun, despite the fact that Pioneer 10 and 11 were travelling in roughly opposite directions. Today, the probes are way beyond the outermost planet, Pluto. For a long time, Anderson did not publicise the "Pioneer anomaly". Everything changed, however, in the mid-1990s, with the involvement of Michael Martin Nieto, a physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico. Nieto was interested in how well we know gravity within the solar system. Someone told him to talk to Anderson, which he did. "When John told me the size of the Pioneer discrepancy, I almost fell off my chair," he says. Nieto and Anderson began working together, joined by Slava Turyshev of the JPL. The team tracked down generation-old data about the space probes from retired Nasa personnel, and painstakingly examined it, trying to find a mundane explanation of the Pioneer anomaly. An obvious possibility was a heat leak. It would require only 70 watts of heat escaping in a direction opposite to the Sun to push the 241kg probes sunward at the observed acceleration. But was this amount of heat available? Each probe carries a plutonium heat source on the end of a long boom. A measly 70 watts was being delivered to the body of each spacecraft. "To explain the anomaly, all of that would have to be radiated in one direction, which is very unlikely," says Anderson. The other obvious possible explanation of the Pioneer anomaly is a fuel leak. But there is no obvious evidence from spacecraft data of any such leak. More seriously, a fuel leak would have come about by accident. "It's hard to imagine such a leak happening on both probes at the same time in such a way as to produce an identical acceleration," says Anderson. According to Anderson, the most likely explanation is still some unknown but mundane effect. Other physicists agree. "For now, in my role as Old Grumpy, I'm just waiting for the whole thing to go away," says the Nobel prizewinner Steven Weinberg of the University of Texas at Austin. Some physicists, on the other hand, are willing to stick their necks out. "I think the acceleration anomaly is real," says Bernard Haisch of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics in Palo Alto. One obvious =96 though dramatic =96 possibility is that Newton was wrong and that the force of gravity does not weaken with the well-known inverse-square law in the outer solar system, but drops away more slowly with distance. There is certainly evidence of such an effect on cosmic scales. For instance, the stars orbiting the centre of spiral galaxies like ours, and galaxies orbiting within galaxy clusters appear to be in the grip of stronger-than-expected gravity. The standard explanation is to postulate the existence of a huge amount of invisible, or "dark", matter that enhances the gravity. But an alternative, Modified Newtonian Dynamics (Mond), has been proposed by the Weizmann Institute's Mordehai Milgrom. "Maybe the Pioneer anomaly is the first hint of Mond," says Nieto. The central difficulty facing non-mundane explanations of the Pioneer anomaly is that, whatever it is, it has to affect the Pioneers but not the planets. "I think this is precisely one of the things that puts people off unusual explanations =96 the universality of gravity is threatened," says Bruce Bassett of Portsmouth University. Modified gravity apart, there is always the possibility that the Pioneer anomaly is due to invisible, or "dark", matter lurking in the solar system. There is evidence that cosmic dark matter outweighs visible stars and galaxies by at least a factor of 10, so it wouldn't be too surprising if some existed near us. "The problem is that dark matter influences ordinary matter through its gravity, so you need a lot of it to explain the Pioneer motions," says Nieto. "So much that it would affect the motion of the planets in a way that we just don't see." There is a loophole, however. It requires the local dark matter to be in the form of a tenuous cloud of "mirror matter", a hypothetical kind of matter required to restore nature's flawed left-right symmetry. Crucially, there may exist a small, non- gravitational force between mirror atoms and ordinary atoms. According to the proponents of this idea, Robert Foot and Ray Volkas of the University of Melbourne, the drag caused by only a few Earth masses of mirror matter would be sufficient to explain the Pioneer retardation. Crucially, it would not have a noticeable effect on the orbits of the outer planets, Uranus and Neptune. Perhaps the most exciting possibility is that the Pioneer anomaly is an effect that will "pop out" of a theory such as string theory that may one day "unify" the fundamental forces of nature. A good analogy is with general relativity, Einstein's theory of gravity. Once it was formulated, all sorts of unsuspected effects popped out, like light-bending by gravity and gravitational waves. "If there were a good theoretical idea suggesting an effect of the Pioneer kind, with a connection to fundamental physics it would be very intriguing," says Frank Wilczek of Princeton University. One thing is for sure: we are not going to make much progress without more data. Unfortunately, other probes in the outer solar system, such as the Voyagers and the Cassini probe, on route to Saturn and Titan, can't provide any useful data. Ironically, they are too sophisticated. The Pioneers are "spin- stabilised", making them a particularly simple platform to understand. Later probes were stabilised about three axes by intermittent rocket boosts. The unpredictable accelerations caused by these are at least 10 times bigger than a small effect like the Pioneer acceleration, so they completely cloak it. "Pioneers are the only game in town," says Nieto. "Actually, it's worse =96 Pioneer 10 is the only game in town since we lost touch with 11 in 1995." The only way to get to the bottom of the Pioneer anomaly, say Anderson, Nieto and Turyshev, is to launch a new space probe. They are therefore proposing a mission specifically to test non- gravitational effects in the outer solar system. A probe would cost about $300m-$500m. If there was a will, says Anderson, it could be launched within five years and get to where the anomaly should be visible, in another five years. "We'd start to get answers by 2012," he says. Nieto is hopeful that funding will be found. As Bruce Bassett says: "Anyone aware of the importance of serendipity in scientific discoveries would be unwise to discard the possibility that it is the footprint of new physics." --- UFO UpDates thanks www.theanomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:28:13 +0000 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:46:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Hall >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:06:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:00:49 -0700 >>Subject: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>Pictures are up on my site at: >>http://www.geocities.com/ufologia_canadiana/woodmere3.html >Hi Brian! Hi everyone! >I visited your web site and I liked it a lot, especially the >detailed accounts of the various UFO sightings recorded there. <snip> >The Kitimat UFO video images (why was only one frame shown?) >look very much like flying bugs as they appear when they are >close to the camera and backlit by a bright light such as the >Sun. Even pollen and other floating particulate matter can >appear as bright UFOs under such conditions. It these UFOs were >rapidly moving roundish objects that produced the streaks in >this single image, then the non-parallel flying UFO would have >crashed or landed a few frames later! >Just my thoughts as someone who is not an expert in photography >- and even one may be considered as an unscientific rumour >monger by some. ;o) >Nick Balaskas Heavens to Betsy, Nick; whom might you have in mind here? [Blush]. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Sandow From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:15 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:48:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Sandow >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:33:05 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >Man don't get me started! I recently asked Greg Sandow if he had >heard anything from Stuart Appelle regarding the "exoglyphs" as >you call them. Both Greg and I worked hard to get Budd to submit >that material to Stuart for analysis. One of the samples that >was submitted came from me. Budd had six of those exoglyph >samples (7 years ago) and I became number seven. I am more than >a little curious about the results (if any) of that particular >study. Greg never responded to my inquiry. Quite possibly >because he doesn't have any news about them either. Eeek! Did I miss an e-mail from you? I've been deluged lately. Budd did send his material to Stuart Appelle. But JUFOS hasn't been published since then, so probably Stuart had no chance to do anything with the stuff Budd sent. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 24 Re: Re: Hutchison Effect - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:44:05 +0100 Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:25:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Hutchison Effect - Rimmer >From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:35:37 -0700 >Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs <snipped> >In regards to Hutchison John, "if" the Hutchison tapes, and his >claims, have no merit whatsoever, what do you feel are "his" >motivations to make such claims, as well has his "cheerleaders?" I really have no idea. No doubt he believes it himself, as do his supporters, but as we have seen so often in this field, people can be completely convinced on little or no evidence. >Hutchison says, "In my files I have many reports, letters, >videos and metal samples collecting dust. If indeed there is >interest I can release for publication the old files of >observations through Vigier of France, Max Planck Labs of >Germany and other agencies." I think the claim that evidence for a world-shaking scientific discovery lies "collecting dust" speaks for itself. >If you still are interested in John Hutchison and his work, may >I suggest you contact him directly. I believe the following is >his "correct" e-mail address: john_hutchison@geocities.com I'll give it a try. I shall send the following message: "Dear Mr Hutchison Following a talk given to the British UFO Research Association in 1997, Mr Albert Budden said that what is commonly referred to as "The Hutchison Effect" has been the subject of favourable reports from the Max Planck Institute, McDonald Douglas and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. At the time Mr Budden offered to send me copies of these reports, but so far I have not received anything. I wonder if you have any material you might be able to send me relating to these reports." If I receive anything, I'll report back to the List. -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:08:50 +0000 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:33:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:31:14 -0400 >Subject: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum >Source: CTV Canada >http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020923/stevenson_noise_p ollution_020920/SciTech/story/ >Mysterious noise pollution is known as The Hum >Mark Stevenson, CTV Environment reporter >VANCOUVER _ It was around Christmas three years ago when Goff >Longworth first heard the mysterious hum. <snip> >"It just disrupts your entire life," says Longworth, 55. >"Imagine sound going on in your inner ear, 24 hours a day, while >you are in your house. You can't get rid of it by putting plugs >in your ears. You can imagine how that would start to wear you >down. And you talk to people and no one else can hear it." >Known by suffers on both sides of the Atlantic as The Hum, the >low-frequency sound has baffled both researchers and sufferers. >Some are driven to wander the streets at night in search of the >source, fostering conspiracy theories. And sufferers claim their >plight is ignored by the medical community. Don't know if there is any tie-in, but in 1973, Dr. Joseph Sharp of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research demonstrated a method of transmitting sound (words in his experiment) directly into the human skull without benefit of any type of implant or diode-acting tooth fillings. The carrier was a specially modulated radar signal. More complex sounds have been reported by a few people as well, and as with the "hum" hearers, (and as with abduction cases, for that matter) the medical deities (MDs) pontificate endlessly that it's all in the imagination. Eleanor White
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Vike From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:38:33 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:39:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Vike >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:28:13 +0000 >Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:06:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>>From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:00:49 -0700 >>>Subject: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>>Pictures are up on my site at: >>>http://www.geocities.com/ufologia_canadiana/woodmere3.html >>Hi Brian! Hi everyone! >>I visited your web site and I liked it a lot, especially the >>detailed accounts of the various UFO sightings recorded there. ><snip> >>The Kitimat UFO video images (why was only one frame shown?) >>look very much like flying bugs as they appear when they are >>close to the camera and backlit by a bright light such as the >>Sun. Even pollen and other floating particulate matter can >>appear as bright UFOs under such conditions. It these UFOs were >>rapidly moving roundish objects that produced the streaks in >>this single image, then the non-parallel flying UFO would have >>crashed or landed a few frames later! >>Just my thoughts as someone who is not an expert in photography >>- and even one may be considered as an unscientific rumour >>monger by some. ;o) >>Nick Balaskas >Heavens to Betsy, Nick; whom might you have in mind here? >[Blush]. > - Dick Good day, The photos I believe you are talking about "Kitimat". These were not sent to me, they are on loan sort of speak from UFO*BC, as we have been posting one another's reports as they come up, since we are both here in British Columbia. Sorry, I have no information on the pictures, or report. I would suggest talking to the fellows at UFO*BC and I am sure they would be happy to fill you in on any information they might have on this. Glad you found my site of interest, I am working on about 30 more reports which I have not yet posted, mainly because they had to be typed from audio tape, and to be honest, I have been too busy. When I was not, I figured it was a good time to do something totally different, like nothing. -:))) So these will be on my site soon, as I have to get them to Chris in Manitoba so he can add them to the total of reported sightings for Canada. Take care Brian
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: 'Beyond' Is Now Free - Hale From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 05:54:58 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:44:14 -0400 Subject: Re: 'Beyond' Is Now Free - Hale >From: Philip Mantle <philipmantle@hotmail.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:03:20 +0100 >Subject: 'Beyond' Is Now Free >ANNOUNCEMENT >Beyond Publications are pleased to announce that its BEYOND web >site (www.beyondpublications.com) has now removed its >subscription and it is therefore available free of charge. Hi All, Having had my site up and running for over 2 years, I can say that I get hits from 43 countries. Offering FREE UFO Research Downloads, and excellent UFO articles amongst other things both Ufological and Paranormal, it really does say a lot for those websites who have been offering FREE content, to the web surfer! Well done to Beyond, for removing a cost for their information. Roy.. Roy Hale is Web Master of The Lost Haven http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk And Editor of: Down To Earth Magazine. Articles On the UFO Subject, Buy On Line Research CDs, FREE Downloads, Business Marketing, Web Links, Art & Culture and much more!
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Hutchison Effect - Rimmer From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:07:57 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:47:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect - Rimmer >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:44:05 +0100 >Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect >>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:35:37 -0700 >>Subject: Re: NASA Using 'Roswell-Like' Materials In Aircraft Designs >>If you still are interested in John Hutchison and his work, may >>I suggest you contact him directly. I believe the following is >>his "correct" e-mail address: john_hutchison@geocities.com >I'll give it a try. I shall send the following message: >"Dear Mr Hutchison >Following a talk given to the British UFO Research Association >in 1997, Mr Albert Budden said that what is commonly referred to >as "The Hutchison Effect" has been the subject of favourable >reports from the Max Planck Institute, McDonald Douglas and the >Jet Propulsion Laboratory. At the time Mr Budden offered to send >me copies of these reports, but so far I have not received >anything. >I wonder if you have any material you might be able to send me >relating to these reports." >If I receive anything, I'll report back to the List. Sorry, message bounced back: "address failed" Anyone got any other ideas? -- John Rimmer Magonia Magazine www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/newmag.htm
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 39 From: John Hayes <webmaster@ufoinfo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:51:05 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:45:25 -0400 Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 7 Number 39 Posted on behalf of Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com> ========================== UFO ROUNDUP Volume 7, Number 39 September 24, 2002 Editor: Joseph Trainor http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/ TWO SILVER UFOs SIGHTED FLYING HIGH OVER BERLIN On Sunday, September 15, 2002, in the early evening, Mark Mainwaring was outdoors at his home in Berlin, Germany's largest city, when he spotted an unusual light high in the clear, cloudless sky. "I first noticed what appeared to be an early evening star," Mark reported, "I watched as it appeared to be moving, coming from the northwest. I observed it for about one minute when I noticed an identical object/light following in its path. I observed these objects through a 10X telescopic sight. I would estimate an altitude in excess of 50,000 feet (15,000 meters)." "The first object stopped as the second object maintained its course until it was approximately alongside (I estimate 3 miles or 5 kilometers--M.M.) the other object." "Both objects then proceeded at the same speed, altitude and direction as previously." "I am an aerospace engineer consultant and the former chief pilot of an African cargo airline, with many hours and over 17 years in the business. Therefore, I am not easily fooled when it comes to aircraft. I have never observed a satellite or weather balloon stop in mid-flight and then proceed onward again." Mark described the UFOs as "silver, conical shaped, with three protrusions or legs. The objects seemed to pass over at about one-third the speed of any satellites that I have previously observed." (Email Form Report) ANOTHER UFO SPOTTED NEAR SAMPACHO, ARGENTINA "Less than 48 hours after the UFO event of September 7," 2002, another UFO was spotted near the town of Sampacho, in Argentina's southern Cordoba province. On Monday, September 9, 2002, "a family traveling in a pickup truck between the municipalities of Achiras and Sampacho were in the vicinity of Cerro Aspero (hill) when they began noticing 'a very intense red light in the sky,' which originated from the southwest, as their vehicle headed northward along Provincial Highway 24. The time was approximately 10:30 p.m." "The head of the family preferred not to disclose his identity, but he told the (Argentinian) news media that 'this is the first time it's happened to us,' going on to relate that at no time did his family feel fear, nor was there any nervousness on his part. 'If that wanted to hurt us, it could have clearly done so,'" he said. "When asked by researchers about the characteristics of the object, he explained, 'It was like an intense red beam...there were other flashes of great brightness behind it, and what drew our attention the most is that the front section of the luminous object had something resembling an arch of light, as though it were a circle of energy.'" "The younger members of the family" stated that "they were very impressed." "The sighting lasted for several minutes, and the head of the family adds, 'At a given moment, the object gave the impression that it was about to fall on top of us, but it changed course at the last moment and headed toward the hills of Sampacho and Suco,' further relating that 'we passed by the Chanaritos region, always looking at it towards the southwest. Then we crossed the Ancias area and, by the time we reached the crossroads of the highway leading toward Laguna de Suco (lake), it was as though the light had become lost in the sky." "Southern Cordoba province," particularly around the city of Rio Cuarto, "has witnessed an intensification of alleged UFO manifestations in an area that includes communities such as Adelia Maria, Carolina, Punta del Agua, San Basilio, Suco, Sampacho, Chajan, Achiras, Cuatro Vientos, Las Albahacas, Villa El Chacay, Alpa Corral, Las Vertientes, Pavin, Huica Renance, General Cabrera and Elena." (Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales, Mario Luis Bracamonte y Circulo Ovnilogico Riocuartense para eso caso.) MORE UFOs SIGHTED IN BRITISH COLUMBIA On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 9:03 p.m., "a witness from Terrace," a small town in Canada's northern British Columbia province, telephoned ufologist Brian Vike, "reporting that he and his girlfriend had just watched a large object pass close to their home heading south towards Kitimat, B.C." "He went on to tell me that the object was extremely large, and the colour of it was as bright as an arc from an arc welder but white in colour," Brian reported, "The witness said the object was at least three to four times as big as the moon. When he first noticed the object, it was still at a distance. But as it grew closer to his location, the object grew larger and brighter. At one point, before the object reached their house, it stopped for a couple of seconds, then continued towards them, passing close by the property. They stated that the large object got smaller and smaller as it flew towards the south" and Kitimat. On Saturday, September 21, 2002, a couple got the shock of their lives when they looked at photos they had taken at their vacation home a month earlier. "On August 23, 2002, about 9 p.m., just before dark, my husband and I decided to take a picture of the sunset at the west end of Francois Lake, looking west up the valley to Medina Mountain," the witness told Brian Vike. "We drove down to the bridge over the river, and he got out and spent several minutes taking three or four shots of the sky to the west." "While he was doing this, I stayed in the car and watched the sky, thinking that I could see just the smallest sliver of a moon peeking from behind the trees. When he got back into the car, I said something to my husband about getting the moon in a sunset shot." "And he said, 'What!? That's impossible! The moon can't be in that part of the sky. What are you thinking?'" "So I said, 'Look at that sliver of light next to the trees. It has been there the whole time you were taking pictures. If it isn't the moon, then what is it?'" "He asked if it had moved. I said no, not at all. While we were looking at it, the light did start to move westward. We both watched and puzzled over this for several minutes. Then I said that he should try and get a picture of whatever it was. He grabbed his binoculars first, and we spent a couple of minutes trying to see what it was. Finally, as it was moving farther off, he snapped a photo of the light, and we left." "Today (Saturday, September 21, 2002) we got our photos developed," she added, "and there is the light far off but still obviously incandescent. And to our surprise, we found two other similar but more distant lights in this photo!" Brian Vike also received a belated report of a sighting at British Columbia's Whiteswan Lake. "On July 9, 2002, at 1 a.m.," the witness reported, "We were lying in our dinghy" on Whiteswan Lake "looking at different masses of stars in the night sky. The Big Dipper was to our left as we were looking at what appeared to be six fairly lined-up-even stars. Like the six on dice, except that the bottom two were out of line a bit." "Seconds later my husband pointed out the cluster," and the "stars" began to move. "Then, for the next couple of minutes, they performed. We watched them jog position, speed up, go ahead, slow down, the other speed up, catch up, repeating this until they were out of sight. The other two swooped down, out to the side. One would swoop out and around them, back into position. The others would do the same. Each time they returned to the position where we first saw them." Finally, "two of them left, up and far above us, so far up they turned into pinpoints in the clear sky and disappeared. It was over, and we sat in the dinghy and talked about what we had just experienced...and still do today." (Many thanks to Brian Vike for these reports.) TRIANGULAR UFOs SEEN BY A FAMILY IN QUEBEC On Sunday, September 15, 2002, Megan and Kevin Mcneilly and their two children were driving from Huntington, Quebec, Canada (population 2,746) to their home in Montreal when they saw something very unusual in the sky. "My husband, myself and our two children were on our way home from our country home near Huntington, Que. to our home in Montreal," Megan reported, "As we were driving along the road just outside of Mercier, we saw what appeared to be really bright stars in the distance. After a few minutes, I asked my husband, 'Are those airplanes up ahead, or really bright stars?'" "Considering that the sky was overcast and no other stars were visible in the sky, he suggested that they were probably helicopters looking for pot (marijuana) fields." "After about five minutes, the two lights ahead in the sky changed position. The one that was higher up, and on the right, remained in the same place. But the lower one to the left began to move westward at a fast pace. Now we were very curious as it was moving far too quickly to be a helicopter." "Our eight-year-old son, who was in the back seat, pointed out another one to the right of our vehicle visible from the passenger side. While we were stopped at a (traffic) light, at around 8 p.m., the one on the passenger side slowly flew overhead. I unrolled my window and stuck my head out for a better view. What I saw gave me the shivers. This was no plane or helicopter. The object was triangular with lights on all three corners." "I have seen thousands of airplanes and helicopters at night, and never have I seen a light formation such as these, nor have I ever seen an aircraft first be stationary in the sky (and) then move quickly such as these. We saw them for about ten to fifteen minutes, and there were about five different craft in the sky at this time. All of them the same (triangular) type, though we saw only two of them fly directly overhead. The object appeared to be larger than a (Boeing) 747 and flying quite low for us to see its shape so clearly." "After we crossed the Mercier Bridge and passed the Dorval Airport, we saw many other airplanes...some flying directly overhead...and I did not see anything that looked like the triangular objects." (Email Form Report) CROP CIRCLE FORMATIONS FOUND IN SASKATCHEWAN Four new crop circle formations were found last week near Punnichy, Saskatchewan, bringing the total number of crop circles discovered in Canada this year to 17. The first formation consisted of "three circles in a triangular pattern joined together by pathways in wheat, approximately 20 metres (66 feet) across. Counterclockwise lay in all three circles. Two pathways led from the centre point to two of the circles. The other from the third circle towards the centre point. Sporadic 'burn marks' were found in the formation." The second formation was "a single circle in wheat approximately 5.8 metres (19 feet) in diameter, with a counterclockwise lay. It was found 1.6 kilometers (one mile) east of the first formation." "Third was a circle with an attached pathway in wheat approximately 18 metres (60 feet) long. Counterclockwise lay in circle. Pathway was at the edge of the crop field, next to a power pole. About 5.6 kilometers (3 miles) southeast of the first formation." "Fourth was five circles in wheat, located about 6.4 kilometers (4 miles) southeast of the first formation." (See the newspaper The Western Producer of Saskatchewan for September 12, 2002. Many thanks to Paul Anderson of Canadian Crop Circles Research Network for this report.) WEIRD DINOSAUR FOSSIL DISCOVERED IN CHINA "A buck-toothed, rabbit-like dinosaur related to Tyrannosaurus Rex and other predators lived in China 128 million years ago, researchers report." "The fossil of the unusual Incisivosaurus was found in the Yixian formation near Beipiao City in northeast China, an area that has already produced many unusual fossils, including dinosaurs with feathers." "Incisivosaurus is part of a group of dinosaurs known as oviraptors, small two-legged dinosaurs that had parrot-like beaks. Incisivosaurus, however, is the oldest oviraptor found to date and lacks the bird-like features found in others of its group, the researchers report in the current issue of the journal Nature." "Instead of having a beak, Incisivosaurus has a long skull and jaws filled with teeth for grinding. However, in its most unusual characteristic, it sports two large buck teeth at the front of its jaw similar to those used by rodents for gnawing." "The buck teeth suggest that the dinosaur was an herbivore rather than a meat-eater like its relatives, reported Xing Xu and his colleagues at the Chinese Academy of Sciences." "Paleontologists said the discovery shakes up the traditional view of theropod dinosaurs, which are widely assumed to have long, sharp teeth." (See the Duluth News-Tribune for September 22, 2002, "Fossils show China once had rabbit-like dinosaurs," page 19A.) GIANT RIVER SNAKE REPORTED IN NORTHERN MYANMAR "Zoologist Dr. Alan Rabinowitz's latest book, Beyond the Last Village, featuring his explorations of Burma (now Myanmar, a country in Southeast Asia--J.T.) contains some tantalising details of a hitherto-unpublicised mystery beast." "'In Putao, there were stories about a giant water snake, the Bu-Rin, 40 to 50 feet (12 to 15 meters) long, that attacked swimmers or even small boats. Sounding somewhat like a larger, aquatic version of the Burmese python, this snake was incredibly hostile and dangerous. No one had firsthand knowledge of the creature, yet because of it, children were often discouraged from spending long periods of time in the water.'" Putao is about 600 kilometers (360 miles) north of Mandalay. (See Fortean Times No. 161 for September 2002, "Giant Water Snake," page 26. Many thanks to Matt Bille, Bob Rickard and Paul Sieveking for this report.) (Editor's Comment: The Bu-Rin sounds like a Southeast Asian relative of the sucuriju gigante, the much-feared giant river snake, often seen but never captured, that haunts the jungles around Tarauaca and Cruzeiro do Sul in Brazil's western state of Rondonia.) READER FEEDBACK: METRIC CONVERSIONS RUIN THE NEWS ARTICLES Bob Reid writes, "Thanks to the diligence of Lou Farish, I have received this periodical for several months now." "While I find the info quite interesting, I seriously doubt any reader these days cannot mentally convert to/from metric, and your insistence on providing such is really distracting. Same goes for the linguistic translations, as well as geographic and ethnic details that have little to do with the facts at hand. (One gets the feeling that someone is trying to show off his superior knowledge--B.R.)" "Hope you can accept my comments in the positive way I intend them. I look forward to reading future issues without feeling I'm being talked down to." (Editor's Comment: I'm going to leave this issue up to the readers. The reason I began writing in this "switchover mode" was to assist American readers unfamiliar with metric and overseas readers unfamiliar with Old English measurements. Same with the other snippets in parentheses. I wanted to teach American readers a bit more about the world beyond our shores and also to help overseas readers learn more about the USA. But the decision is yours, readers. Do you want me to continue with "switchover mode" or not? Send me an email.) From the UFO Files... 1949: PROPHETESS OF THE SAUCERS September 30 marks the birthday of this strange but remarkable woman, who probably did the most to spread the "Hitler escaped in a UFO" legend. Her name was Maximiani Portas, but she's better known to history by her nom de voyage, the name she traveled under...Savitri Devi. Maximiani was born in Lyons, France's second largest city, on September 30, 1905. "Her mother, Julia Nash, came from Cornwall, and her father was of mixed Mediterranean heritage, having an Italian mother from London and a Greek father who had acquired French citizenship due to his residence in France." As a schoolgirl, Maximiani was greatly influenced by the work of the French poet Leconte de Lisle, whose Poemes barbares glorified the gods and religions of antiquity. And when she dicovered Bullfinch's Mythology, the result was the same as with H.P. Lovecraft a decade earlier. She became an ardent believer in the gods of Olympus. But where Lovecraft soon ended his infatuation with Graeco-Roman religion, the topic became a lifelong obsession with Maximiani. In 1929, now interested in tracing the roots of occult traditions, Maximiani traveled to Jerusalem. She arrived just in time for the riots between the Arabs and the growing numbers of Jewish immigrants. She sided with the Arabs, and the entire episode left her with a lifelong hatred of Jews, Judaism, Zionism and the Talmud. (Editor's Note: Some occultists believe that there is a network of ancient tunnels under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, similar to the tunnels in the Andes. These tunnels are alleged to be left over from the lost continent of Atlantis. See the book Timeless Earth by Peter Kolosimo, University Books, 1974, page 238.) By 1932, Maximiani's quest had brought her to India. Here she came under the influence of Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856-1920), also known as Sri Baba Lokmanya, "who was widely acclaimed as the 'father of Indian unrest'...Besides his radical political activities, Tilak was an accomplished scholar of ancient Hindu sacred literature." Imprisoned by the British Raj in 1897 for sedition, Tilak had "immersed himself in Vedic study" and in 1903 published his book about the origins of the "Aryan race," The Arctic Home in the Vedas. Maximiani wandered through India for three years. Then, in July 1935, she enrolled in Rabindranath Tagore's ashram in Shantiniketan in the Bolpur district. But she left in December after getting into scraps with German Jewish refugees who were also the guests of Tagore. At the ashram, she "learned Hindi and perfected her command of Bengali. She then taught English and Indian history at Jerandan College, not far from Delhi, and worked in a similar capacity in Mathura, the holy city of Krishna, during 1936. Ever more involved in the life and customs of Hinduism, she adopted a Hindu name--Savitri Devi." Settling in Calcutta in 1936, Savitri came under the influence of Srimat Swami Satyananda, who was director of the city's Hindu Mission and active in the nationalist Hindu Mahasabha movement. Tilak had gotten it wrong, Satyananda told Savitri, the Aryans didn't originate in the Arctic--they came from the Antarctic. During previous interglacial periods, Antarctica had enjoyed a temperate climate, and there were still ancient cities buried under the ice and snow. (Editor's Note: Curiously, Lovecraft wrote a short novel about this topic in 1932 entitled At the Mountains of Madness, repeatedly referring to a city called "Kadath in the Cold Waste.") More ominously, Satyananda told Savitri that the presence of the swastika, the traditional Hindu sign of good fortune, in the flag of Nazi Germany showed that this European nation was returning to its Aryan roots. In addition, "he told her that he considered Hitler an incarnation of Vishnu, an expression of the force preserving cosmic order." Satyananda and his new guest lecturer, Savitri Devi, were very much excited when Hitler dispatched an expedition to Antarctica in 1938 under Captain Alfred Rischer. Here was proof that the Nazis were seeking the ancient Aryan homeland. (Editor's Note: In 1916, Charles Fort wrote a book called Y in which he talked about buried cities at the South Pole. He inexplicably destroyed this manuscript in 1917, claiming that "it was not what I wanted." Whatever Antarctic oddities the old boy dug up are delightful to conjecture but are unfortunately lost to history.) Friends in the Mahasabha introduced Savitri to Asit Krishna Mukherji, the editor of The New Mercury, India's one-and-only National Socialist magazine until its suppression by the British authorities in 1937. "Mukherji admired the growing might and influence of the Third Reich. He was deeply impressed by the Aryan ideology of Nazi Germany, with its cult of Nordic racial superiority, anti-Semitism and race laws," which he compared favorably with the Vedic law of varna or caste. When World War II broke out in September 1939, Savitri and Mukherji became the biggest pro-Axis cheerleaders around. Which immediately got Savitri into trouble with the Raj. For one thing, she was a citizen of France and needed a permit to stay in India. Her pro- Nazi views put her on a list for deportation. And when the Germans overran France in May 1940, she was in imminent danger of arrest as "an enemy alien." So, on June 9, 1940, at the age of 34, Savitri married Mukherji in Calcutta. It was a traditional Hindu wedding. (Editor's Comment: It wouldn't surprise me if Savitri had been holding a shotgun.) While her husband worked for Indian independence under the pro-Axis leader, Subhas Chandra Bose, Savitri "spent the rest of the war in joyful anticipation of an Axis victory...By the end of the war, Savitri Devi had assimilated many notions from Hinduism into a heterodox form of National Socialism that glorified the Aryan race and Adolf Hitler." Undeterred by the Allied victory in May 1945, Savitri resolved to return to Europe and preach her new Hitlerian faith. What spurred her to action was a curious article that appeared in The Times and Le Monde on July 18, 1945 claiming that Hitler and his new wife, Eva Braun, had been taken by a U-boat to Argentina. Convinced that der Fuhrer would soon be making his comeback, "Savitri Devi returned to Europe in October 1945...In London she took casual employment as a wardrobe manager with a traveling Indian dance company." During her brief showbiz career, Savitri read another article that appeared in the Argentinian newspaper Critica on July 17, 1945 which "stated that the Fuhrer and Eva Braun had landed from the U-530 in Antarctica, noting the possible place of embarkation was Queen Maud Land, the destination of a German Antarctic expedition in 1938-1939." She also read a book by Ladislao Szabo, a Hungarian living in Buenos Aires, entitled Hitler esta vivo (Spanish for Hitler is alive--J.T.) Szabo expanded on the Critica article and discussed the top-secret but abortive Operation High Jump. (Editor's Note: On December 2, 1946, a U.S. Navy task force consisting of 13 ships, led by Admiral Richard E. Byrd, the USA's foremost Antarctic explorer, conducted joint maneuvers in Antarctic waters with British, Norwegian and Soviet Russian naval units. Byrd ended Operation High Jump in early 1947 after four Navy planes were mysteriously lost.) But what really kindled Savitri's excitement was the sudden appearance of the "flying saucers" in July 1947. UFOs dominated front pages everywhere. Ready to undertake her missionary work, Savitri "hit upon the idea of distributing pro-Nazi leaflets while passing through Germany by train in June 1948." "Returning through France and entering Germany at Saarholzbach, she spent some three months between 7 September and 6 December 1948 distributing a further six thousand leaflets in the three Western (Allied) occupation zones and the Saarland." While in Germany, Savitri made contact with former SS men, who told her an amazing story: in 1942, a German engineer named Miethe began work on a "flying disk," also known as the V-7. Encouraged by the progress in the development of this new "vengeance weapon," Hitler placed the project under the command of SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Kammler. A limited number of these vehicles were produced at underground factories in the Harz Mountains. The V-7 was a futuristic aircraft, Savitri was told, "'a fantastic creation nearly 15 meters (50 feet) in diameter, in its center the plexiglass cupola of the control room glistening in the sunlight.'...it had no rotating parts and was driven by twelve adjustable jets, five rearward for forward flight and the other seven for directional steering. With a range of 13,000 miles (20,000 kilometers) the V-7 was able to reach 1,500 to 2,000 miles per hour (2,400 to 3,200 kilometers per hour.)" Soon it was all coming together in her mind-- Hitler's controversial demise, the Antarctic expedition of 1938, the Miethe V-7 flying disk, the SS rumors of a diehard "Last Battalion" preparing to resume the war. She truly believed that a flying saucer had spirited the Fuhrer out of an embattled Berlin and dropped him off in Cuxhaven. From there, the U-boat convoy ferried him to the Nazi colony of Neuschwabenland (German for New Swabia --J.T.) in Antarctica. Thus convinced, Savitri undertook her most dangerous gamble yet. "In preparation for her third propaganda sortie to enemy-occupied Germany, she had printed in London a small German-language handbill with a swastika. Here she exhorted the Germans to remain true to their Fuhrer, who was alleged still to be alive, and to rise up against the Allied forces that now were stationed throughout the country." In part, the handbill read, "However, 'Slavery is to last but a short time more.'" "Our Fuhrer is alive." "And will soon come back, with power unheard of." "Resist our persecutors." "Hope and wait." "She began distributing the handbill on the night of 13-14 February 1949 in Cologne and soon found a young ex- SS man to help her." The Allied occupation officials were at first alarmed by the appearance of these handbills. Was there a clandestine neo-Nazi group out there actually agitating for revolution? But then a German informer told them that a certain Mrs. Mukherji was distributing the subversive leaflets. And on February 22, 1949, Savitri was arrested by the British Army. "She was detained at the British military prison for women at Werl until her formal trial, which was fixed for 5 April 1949." No doubt about it, Savitri was in a heap of trouble. As part of the postwar "denazification" program, the Allies had proclaimed the Laws of Occupation Status n Germany. Article 7 of Law Number 8 "forbade the promotion of militarist and National Socialist ideas on German territory subject to the Allied Control Commission." The maximum penalty was death. Instead, the Allied court-martial sentenced Savitri to three years at the prison in Werl. She struck up close friendships with former SS concentration camp guards from Belsen and began writing her book Defiance. Here "she enjoyed a high regard among her fellow Nazi and SS prisoners for her high-flown rhetoric, her insistence on the idealistic philosophy of Aryan rebirth, and her pious Nazi spirituality." Her presence proved so disruptive that Savitri was soon placed in solitary. Just as Savitri was looking at an extended stay at Werl, the husband she had abandoned four years earlier came to her rescue. Asit Krishna Mukherji, now a citizen of newly-independent India, arrived in Germany and lobbied the Allied occupation authorities for his wife's release. In the end, Mukherji was successful, and Savitri was released from prison in August 1949. For the rest of her life, Savitri continued her mission as a Nazi evangelist, writing several books and helping to found the World Union of National Socialists. She also insisted that some UFOs were indeed craft from the Nazi sanctuary in Antarctica, a theme that her colleage and disciple Ernst R. Zundel expanded upon in his 1974 book, UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapons? Savitri Devi died on October 22, 1982. Although her main contribution to ufology was the promotion of the "saucer Nazis" legend, there is one curious postscript concerning Savitri Devi. On April 5, 1949, at the same moment Savitri was facing the Allied court-martial in Germany, a spectacular UFO event occurred thousands of miles to the west, over that part of the USA's New England region Loren Coleman calls "the Bridgewater Triangle." A "very large, luminous, blue-green object" first appeared over Middleboro, Massachusetts, then flew a wobbly corkscrew course westward over Taunton, Rehoboth and Seekonk, Mass. and finally over H.P. Lovecraft's hometown of Providence, Rhode Island, where it suddenly and inexplicably vanished. The sighting was reported in Doubt--The Fortean Society Magazine for October 1949. (See the books Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick- Clarke, New York University Press, 1998; Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, New York University Press, 2002; Fliegende Untertassen uber Sudafrika by Edgar Sievers, Sagittarius Press, Pretoria, South Africa, 1955; and UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapons? by Ernst R. Zundel, Samisdat Publications, Toronto, Canada, 1974.) Well, that's it for this week. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases From: Albert Rosales <Garuda79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:40:34 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:21:55 -0400 Subject: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases Greetings all Bon jour Saludos Abracos! And remember, there are none so blind than those who _will_ not see. Albert ----- 2002 Humanoid Reports. It appears to be a slow start for this year with only one recorded case, again from Chile. We will see what develops later on the year. 2001 was pretty busy but it was a decline from 2000. Maybe we will see another down= trend again, later to pick up again in the near future. This seems to be the ever-ongoing trend of the phenomena. Will it always stay the same? Time= will tell. Following is a list of known 2002 humanoid cases. 1. Location. Calama, Chile Date: January 2002 Time: 0300A An employee at the local Minera Escondida was on his way to the storage freezer in order to pick up some supplies when an unknown creature jumped him from behind. He could only describe it as hairy and dark. He was left with deep scratches and in a state of shock. Terrified he ran away and bumped into two other employees who were able to see a shadowy creature in= the dark. HC addendum Source: La Estrella del Loa de Calama, Chile Type: E 2. Location. Fort McMurry, Alberta, Canada Date: January 2 2002 Time: 2032 Two men were parked on an isolated dirt road when they spotted a large cone-shaped object descend and hover. One of the men exited the car and he= vanished in plain sight of the other, the craft then also disappeared. The= other man tried to drive away to get help but the car would not start and it was to cold to walk. He soon went to sleep and woke up later to find his= friend sleeping next to him. Later they drove back to town. His friend does= not remember what happened during those two hours of missing time. No other= information. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 3. Location. Paso Lovera, Corrientes, Argentina Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2030 Gabriela Lencinas, 15-year old and a 19-year old friend were returning home= on a bicycle when they spotted a large cloud like object descend from the sky and from it a giant figure emerge. The witnesses stopped their bicycles= to see a car approach the giant figure, stop, the driver exit the car and then re-entering the vehicle and driving quickly away. The figure then rose= up into the cloud and disappeared. The girls reported that the giant human-like figure had its hair standing up on his head and was extending its arms towards the witnesses that quickly rode their bicycles home. Other= in the area reported seeing bright lights that same night. HC addendum Source: Pablo Omastott Type: B? 4. Location. Villa San Rafael, Chile Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2345 Two young teenagers, Jean F and Nelson C, where at home at night when Jean= noticed that his pet snake had escaped from its cage. Both boys began looking for it outside among the rubble of the parcel. They recalled how half an hour before, their two dogs strangely began to howl and cry; however, it did not seem to be important at that point in time. They searched for the pet snake together when suddenly, about 30 meters from where they stood; they saw what appeared to be a stray dog. They threw rocks at to avoid an attack. However, to their surprise, the animal stood there, motionless and fearless; it did not get scared nor it ran away as ordinary dogs normally do. Shortly, the strange animal began to move towards them. The movements it made as it walked were very strange. It used= two legs at a time. It made very small sand short leaps like a rabbit. Suddenly, it stopped and it stood up on two legs. The teenagers then began= to feel some kind of energy. =93It was like an electrical shock in the stomach,=94 they said. It later walked again making a loud dragging noise,= making small leaps and only moving one of its legs. They noticed the weird= shape of the animal. =93It was like a rugby football with legs,=94 one of= them said. Jean began to feel frightened and started to move away from animal. On the other hand, Nelson felt a strange need to get closer to the creature; he got to within 2 meters away from it. The creature appear to emit a strange luminosity that apparently, was bright enough to lit a small= area around the creature in spite of the nighttime darkness. Nelson was mesmerized as he stared at the strange creature. He described it as having= a head like a large dog with a flat nose like a bulldog. Its eyes were slanted and pale-red in color, which could only be seen when the creature turned its head from side to side like a lizard. At that moment, Nelson heard a voice in his head saying, =93Don=92t stare, and just run away.=94= They provided further description, describing the ears as flat, round and large.= Its arms were short, it had elbows, and the hands had three fingers. It had= hair like the one on a wild pig. Its legs were like the ones of a goat. The= feet had also three fingers and a membrane like ducks, but somewhat shorter. On its curved back, they were able to notice a spinal section covered with amounts of even thicker hair. Most of the hair of the animal was gray, but the tail had a white tip. Nelson finally fled, terrified, from the area. He also described how he felt an inexplicable bone-chilling= cold sensation. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center Type: E 5. Location. Chihuahua, Mexico Date: January 29 2002 Time: night Several days before seeing a UFO the witness remembered being in a dream-like state in which he felt very calm and saw numerous disc shaped objects, orange-red in color. A human like figure was talking to him about= the objects and their propulsion. The UFO he saw was of an orange color and= he felt a sort of ecstasy when he observed the craft. Several of his neighbors also saw the object. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G or F? 6. Location. Near Palmyra, Wisconsin Date: February 2002 Time: 0200A Two men reported seeing a creature that resembled a bipedal =93gigantic= wolf=94 walking down a road west of the city. They said the creature was at least 7= ft tall with a wolf-like head. No other information. HC addendum Source: Linda Godfrey Type: E 7. Location. West Garo Hills, Meghalaya, India Date: February 2002 Time: afternoon Nebilson Sangma reported encountering a scary furry creature on a hunting trip in the jungles. He reportedly took a video of the creature=92s nesting= place. According to Sangma, the creature walked erect like a human, had built a house like nesting place, and would emerge from it frequently to feast on a banana grove. Sangma and his brother observed the gigantic creature for three consecutive days from afar. Officials and villagers have= been hunting for the creature in the forest but it seems to have disappeared as furtively as it appeared. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 13 Type: E 8. Location. Rosario de la Frontera, Salta, Argentina Date: February 2002 Time: night A strange creature called by locals =93El Pestizo=94 has attacked several= lone pedestrians in the middle of the night. It is described as a dark man shaped shadowy being. A boy riding his bicycle on the way to visit some friends was toppled from his bicycle and found a black shadowy figure facing him. The young man managed to upholster his shotgun and fire two shots. But, when he saw that they had no effect, he promptly drew his knife= and stabbed the figure without any apparent harm. Frightened the youth tried to escape but the creature knocked him down without saying a word and= began dragging him by the hair to the side of the road. At this point the young man began to scream. A local man, who rushed to provide assistance, only to find a black shadow dragging the boy by the hair, heard his cries.= The fearful shape disappeared without a trace after it became aware of the= other man=92s presence. Six other locals have reported being attacked by a= similar being and received wounds. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 9. Location. Not given Date: February 2002 Time: early morning The witness was alone at home and was preparing his breakfast when suddenly= he heard a window break; he went to see what had happened. Grabbing a golf= club he peeked inside the room where the window broke. He was stunned to see a strange creature climbing on his bed. It appeared to be hurt, because= it seemed that it could not move well. Gripping the golf club he went a step nearer and the creature hissed horribly. It shrieked in an unworldly manner. Terrified the witness did not move. The creature was small, about the size of a large rabbit, and it was dark in color and had reddish eyes.= It had wings and a spine of quills on its back, and had a semi reptilian face. It appeared to have hair and small legs. The witness raised the golf= club and the creature hissed again showing its large yellowish teeth, which= appeared to be sharp, like those of a crocodile. It suddenly hopped out of= the window and rapidly hopped across the street into the oak trees. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June archive Type: E 10. Location. Vigevano, Italy Date: February 2002 Time: 0100A In the outskirts of this city a witness observed from his vehicle a luminous humanoid entity walking along a roadway. It scurried away into the= darkness when approached. No other information. HC addendum Source: CISU, Italy Type: E 11. Location. Corguinho, Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil Date: February 5 2002 Time: night During a localized UFO flap several witnesses reported seeing a strange creature described as about 1.3 meters in height, having two legs, with a physique like a human but who moved with a strange fluctuating motion. The= creature was seen five times by twenty people in the rural zone around Corguinho. In Rochedo, 6 miles south of Corguinho five Cebu cattle were found dead with a single incision on the side of the throat. The bodies had= been drained of blood. (Is there a connection?). HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 12. Location. Mount Podbrdo, Bosnia Hercigovina Date: February 11 2002 Time: morning Contactee and stigmatic Giorgio Bongiovanni was visiting the shrine on top= of the mountain and was praying silently to the Virgin when, to his astonishment, a glowing luminous female figure appeared and touched his forehead with her fingertips. His stigmata scar vanished instantly. The female figure told him to return to Italy and make known what had happened. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 14 Type: E or F? 13. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: February 11 2002 Time: evening 73-year-old Maria Rufina Cayo, a local shepherd was walking back home with= her dogs and the cattle. Suddenly at one point, something spooked the animals, and these began to stampede. Looking around she spotted a bizarre= creature standing about 12 meters away. She described it as a humanoid, half animal, half human, about 1.70m in height, with bright red eyes, sharp= protruding fangs, and hands and feet that ended in sharp claws. The creature looked at the witness three times then it scrambled away using quick jumping motions with is powerfully built hind legs, she also noticed= large pointy ears. Alerted by the shouts of Maria, two men, Santos Jaimes,= and Ruben Colque ran out to investigate with their dogs. Suddenly the dogs= stopped and began making pitiful howling noises, they refused to move any further. The men heard noises behind some nearby bushes and went to investigate and spotted a bizarre creature that stood staring at them with= huge reddish eyes. It then moved quickly away in the direction of Cerro Negro and disappeared from sight. The witnesses noticed very sharp claws on= the creature=92s feet with a very sharp claw that appeared to be pointed backwards. Strange footprints were found the next day. HC addendum Source: El Tribuno, Salta Argentina March 27 2002 Type: E 14. Location. Khanpur, Ahmedabad, India Date: February 20 2002 Time: after midnight Several local residents reportedly have encountered a person, dressed in black and wearing a mask. Dubbed the =93Monkeyman=94 whom they described as= between 25 and 20 years of age, dark skinned and having curly hair can reportedly be seen hopping from roof to roof and also on to trees. Two local youths chased it and the figure reportedly disappeared in plain sight. The two youths have been behaving abnormally since then. The stranger was also chased along the riverbed near the Cama Hotel and it also= suddenly disappeared. Others have heard the stranger running on the rooftops. Abdul Hamid another youngster of the local slums described the figure as a tall lean man that carries a sharp weapon. =93I saw him from the= back. He had a sword in his hand and when I raised the alarm, he jumped to= another roof and then on to a tree.=94 Police have searched for the stranger= but nothing has been found. HC addendum Source: Fortean Times, India Express Type: E 15. Location. Prague, Czech Republic Date: February 23 2002 Time: night Blanka Slemendova was in her apartment when she saw a =93ship=94 hovering= over some nearby woods. It was shining red, white and yellow lights. She then heard telepathic communication coming from the object telling her to go and= meet them at an unspecified location. Looking over to her bedroom wall she= saw what appeared to be a projection of human like faces looking at her. Later that night she saw luminous figures in her room and a floating red light also in her room. The next night she saw what appeared to be 2 gray suns and around them a golden lights with numerous groups of shiny human-like figures floating about. She interpreted these as being angels. HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Slemendova) Type: C &= F? 16. Location. Wycliffe Well Roadhouse, Northern Territory Australia Date: early March 2002 Time: evening While workers in the area watched unusual lights in the sky an aboriginal woman encountered a triangular sort of object in a paddock and all of the sudden she saw three silvery clad human like figures that began to move toward her vehicle. She turned the vehicle around and took off. HC addendum Source: Lou Farcus ABC On-line Type: C 17. Location. Near Canberra Australia Date: March 2002 Time: 1700 Several friends were taking a trip to the coast and it was already very dark. They had already entered a tropical forest area and there was a mist= rolling along the ground. As they turned around they saw something squatting in the middle of the road. It stared at them, and just as they thought they were going to hit it, it leaped off the road and into the trees. It leaped about 10 meters in the air. The creature was definitely human looking although it wore strange clothes. It was dressed in a green robe of some kind with little pieces of gold on it, and it was either wearing a head crest or it had a row of spikes running from its forehead to= the top of its neck. Very frightened the witnesses drove out of the forest= and at the same time the mist turned to a thick fog. They pulled over and decided to wait until the fog had cleared, although none of them were too happy about it. As they sat around and waited they suddenly heard a shriek.= It sounded like some sort of wild animal and they turned the car on so the= headlights would scare it away. The headlights revealed the same creature they had seen earlier. It hid its face from the light and shrieked. Right before the witnesses=92 eyes, the creature seemed to evaporate into the fog.= Within five minutes the fog had gone and the normal rolling mist was back.= The witnesses quickly left the area and drove towards the coast. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June Archive Type: E 18. Location. Guanica Puerto Rico Date: March 1 2002 Time: 2345 Reinaldo Rios (involved in other encounters) was in his bedroom that night= when a large white light suddenly appeared. It flew around the room several= times and then hovered. He heard voices coming from the light, which communicated with him. The voice said: =93I am your real father.=94 Soon the= light transformed itself into a figure resembling that of a little boy it then vanished in plain sight. HC addendum Source: UFOs over America.com Type: E 19. Location. Rotterdam, The Netherlands Date: March 2 2002 Time: 0800A The witness and his wife were in bed that Saturday morning talking when their 5-year-old daughter came into the bedroom with her baby brother, whose cot is placed under their bedroom window. They heard a strange noise= and some green light came into the window. Their daughter looked out the window and reported seeing a =93flying car=94 with four spinning green= lights on top. She saw two windows in the vehicle and saw two dark brown faces looking out. His wife saw the craft flying past through the curtains. That= same morning, in a large tree near the witness house a strange structure was found. The branches were arranged in a rectangular pen shape, vertical,= each approximately 30 to 40 cm long. They found a few smaller sticks scaling down in size from the structure. A piece of concrete slab was found= propped up on one corner. The witnesses had never seen this strange structure before and think is some kind of message left by the visitors. (Some kind of bizarre crop circle?). A few nights before they had heard strange noises coming from the kitchen area. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: A 20. Location. Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Date: March 3 2002 Time: morning Helen Diskin went for a walk in the countryside talking snap shots along the way with her digital camera. Returning home she loaded these into her computer and was intrigued by an odd-looking image. It looked like a luminous figure in an area of no sunlight, skulking amongst the trees. She= returned to the site of the photo twice afterward and could find no explanation for the figure. The figure resembled a small helmeted figure that she had not seen when she took the picture of an area of the woods she= had thought of as =93mysterious.=94 HC addendum Source: Helen Diskin, UFO Magazine Vol. 22 # 1 Type: E? 21. Location. Near Trenton New Jersey Date: March 4 2002 Time: night Several witnesses were camping outside of town and late at night one of them was attempting to put out the bonfire when he heard the most awful and= horrifying scream. It resembled that of an injured dog crossed with a scream of a woman. The witness dropped the flashlight and was joined by another witness. Suddenly out of the woods a hideous and grueling creature= appeared. It did not look human, somewhat satyr-like in appearance and walked on two legs. It had a long tail like a dragon and wings like those unicorns in fantasy books. The beast took several steps towards the witnesses and one of them picked up and asked and yelled at it and then shone his flashlight at it. The creature then turned towards the bushes and= ran away from the area. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: E 22. Location. Calama, Chile Date: March 16 2002 Time: 2215 Mirna, was watching television alone in her room when she began hearing noises coming from outside, at first she thought it was her dogs playing around with some empty cans. But the noises kept getting louder and louder= and she decided to go outside to investigate. Once outside she was stunned= to see some type creature that had somehow entered the rabbit cage and was= attacking the animals that were making loud unearthly screams. Thinking at= first that it was one of the dogs she approached the case but realized that= it was a gray colored hairy hunched over creature, that was moving quickly= inside the cage. She stepped back and could not understand how the creature= had entered the cage, since there wasn=92t any apparent hole or aperture visible anywhere and the door was firmly closed. Afraid she ran inside her= home and notified her son, both then ran out but the creature had mysteriously disappeared. Unnerved, they could not understand how they creature had escaped since the door to the rabbit caged was still firmly locked. Later they could only find a small round hole in the wire only several centimeters in width, not large enough for a creature estimated to= have been about 70 to 80 cm in height. Several of the rabbits were found injured and one was dead. HC addendum Source: Calama UFO Center Type: E 23. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: March 19 2002 Time: 2000 Young Elizabeth Lera reported seeing a short humanoid with =93dark eyes=94= looking into the building compound from behind a wire fence. It appeared not to have any other facial features and was wearing dark clothing; it wore some type of head covering, which was hard to see because of the darkness. She could only see a pair of large dark eyes on his face that appeared to shine in the darkness. Some more children now arrived and observed as the humanoid move several steps towards them. Another witness,= Rene Mamani saw the humanoid run and hide behind some bushes. It seemed to= move at very high speed in an unnatural fashion. It seemed to have remained= suspended in mid-air for a few seconds. It then seemed to fly through the air and disappeared into some nearby woods. Other students at the school reportedly saw it again on the night of the 20th. HC addendum Source: Patricio Parente, Gaceta Ovni Type: E 24. Location. Woodburn, Oregon Date: March 21 2002 Time: 0300A The witness was sleeping when she woke up suddenly feeling paralyzed. The witness was completely unable to move or speak. Her next memory was of a strange sensation on her left cheek, which hurt a lot. Unseen =93beings=94= were apparently taking skin samples. Her face was left with a pink fleshy scoop= down my left cheek, directly on the cheekbone. A teardrop scar was left on= her cheek. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: G? 25. Location. Bethlehem, Israel Date: March 21 2002 Time: night At the besieged Church of The Nativity several awed witnesses have come forward describing the events of Thursday night. That night, a smell of roses filled the sanctuary as the Daughters of Charity held their evening prayers. =93The sweet scent was soon followed by a high musical humming= sound and a distinct feeling of warmth emanating from the ceiling.=94 Then, the sisters reported, seeing a glowing beam of light gradually forming the likeness of the Blessed Virgin =93like a film coming into focus.=94 Tears= were running down her face, and she uttered a prophetic warning. =93Time is growing short, and the promised Judgment Day is nearly at hand.=94 One week= before the apparition, The Church of the Holy Family was the scene of a ferocious firefight between the Israelis and the Palestinians. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 17 Type: F 26. Location. Not given Date: March 21 2002 Time: 2255 16-year old Steven Mizon saw hovering over a street a large oval shaped craft encircled in bright lights and with several lighted windows around its edge. A figure stared down at him from one of the windows. No other information. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: A 27. Location. Cazalla de la Sierra, Spain Date: March 26 2002 Time: 1500 A pharmaceutical products salesman was returning along a deserted road when= he noticed ahead in the distance and in the middle of the roadway an object= resembling a shiny pear that was resting on three metallic legs. Somewhat perplexed he approached and noticed two individuals standing on a nearby field. These were over 2 meters in height, wore tight fitting white coveralls and helmets resembling that of the early astronauts. He parked his vehicle and approached the two strange figures on foot. One of the men= walked away and entered the shiny pear-shaped craft while the other remained behind. Knowing that these men were =93not from this earth=94 he= still asked the remaining humanoid if he needed any assistance. He felt that as he approached the strange pair he had been in some type of a trance and seemed to have floated over the road. The humanoid answered and appeared genuinely happy as to his offer of assistance but said that everything was= in order. He also added that the area was very beautiful and also added: =93Humans don=92t know what they have. Where we come from we don=92t have= such beautiful scenes, they disappeared a long time ago.=94 The astounded witness= managed to ask the humanoid where he was from and was told that they hailed= from another dimension, a concept that humans have not yet assimilated. The= humanoid smiled as he answered the question. The humanoid then bid goodbye= and walked towards the nearby shiny pear shaped object, he then disappeared= inside of it. The craft then emitted a loud whistling sound and disappeared= at very high speed towards some nearby cliffs. The witness described the humanoids as about 2.50 meters in height, wide chests and heavy set, thin legs. Generally human features, but somewhat =93refined=94 or sharpened features. The suits were very tight fitting made of an apparent synthetic material resembling plastic. Their eyes were very light almost white and their speech was hesitant & accented. Also their movements seemed kind of clumsy. HC addendum Source: J M Garcia, Francisco Padron, Spain Type: B 28. Location. Pringle Lake, Texas Date: March 28 2002 Time: 1100A Mark Hakemack and a friend had taken an airboat out on the NW side of the lake to do a little red fishing. The day was kind of hazy, with broken cloud cover. They had caught several trout and were just chatting when he hooked up a large redfish while playing with the fish, Mark happened to glance upwards and saw a large bird-like creature emerge from a cloudbank.= His friend saw it too, after about 20 to 25 seconds it flew behind cloud cover again. The strange creature was grayish in color and the profile of a= raptor, short neck/head, no legs sticking out behind, and no long tail feathers. Mark could not take his eyes off it. He estimated the wingspan to= have been 10=92 to 14 =91 in overall. It appeared to be soaring on the wind,= although, he did see it give a couple of light =93flaps=94 with its wings.= The witness could only relate this to the legendary =93Thunderbird=94 legend. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com Type: E 29. Location. Sevilla, Spain Date: March 30 2002 Time: late night The witness to the March 26 case was at home with his wife and was getting= ready to sleep when he heard footsteps coming from patio area outside his chalet. Armed with a club, he opened the door and was stunned to see the same two tall heavyset humanoids he had encountered 4 days before. One of the humanoids was kneeling on the ground as if inspecting something on the= soil, the other one upon hearing the door open, turned and quickly assured= the witness not to fear that they were not here to harm him. Stunned, the witness invited the two humanoids in the house for some refreshments (!). These declined the invitation telling that they had to go already. Using the same clumsy movements both humanoids walked towards the rear of the house where the witness noticed the same shiny metallic pear shaped craft on the ground. They entered the object, which quickly left at high speed. The witness=92s wife awakened by the voices was able to see the two= humanoids from a second story window, and described them in the same way. HC addendum Source: Francisco Padron, Jose Manuel Garcia, Spain Type: B 30. Location. Los Cipreses, Chile Date: March 31 2002 Time: noon During a local UFO congress 24 persons in three groups entered a dimensional gateway that appeared by itself over the terrain. It was kind of a dome, a luminous archway measuring four by four meters. The participants lost their materiality without disappearing completely. Upon entering, they met several human-like alien characters with large baldheads= and wearing robes that waited within and received information. According to= sources the contact experience was =93dimensional=94 it was like crossing= into a different reality. The 24 participants were =93all professionals, college= students of high intellectual levels, mostly Chileans,=94 and some were members of Grupo Rama, a New Age association. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 16, quoting Camilo Valdivieto Type: G or= F? 31. Location. Tbilissi Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: night A man entered the local St David church and reported that =93a phantom with= wings=94 had approached him and predicted an earthquake that indeed took place on April 25 2002, devastating areas of central Georgia. HC addendum Source: Pravda Type: E? 32. Location. Near Macon, Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: 2300 Three friends were awakened by loud banging noises and bellowing sounds coming from outside. One of the men ran to the bathroom and looked out the= window to see a figure run by and squat in the nearby bushes. He described= the creature as about 3 ft tall, hairy with what appeared to be horns on its head and hands; he could not see a face. Others in the neighborhood heard the banging noises. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com and direct witness Communication. Type: E 33. Location. Belvedere di Tezze, Italy Date: April 26 2002 Time: evening A 20-year old woman was returning home one night when she noticed some bright lights nearby of an unknown origin. She followed the lights in her car until she stopped near a local pizzeria. She saw the light near the ground and within the lights two tall slender human like figures wearing some type of headgear. Since she was carrying a camera she was able to snap= a quick picture. The figures then vanished. No other information. HC addendum Source: Gruppo Accademico Ufologico Scandicci quoting =93Il giornale di Vicenza=94 Type: E? 34. Location. Barangay, Philippines Date: May 2002 Time: night Several local residents reported seeing a bizarre creature described as an= =93aswang=94 reputed to be a winged vampire type creature, it reportedly had= red glowing eyes, long black hair, and was wearing a white flowing gown. It= was seen perched on top of a bamboo tree. Residents at nearby Roxas reported seeing a similar creature. The police was called but a search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Akasico.com Type: E 35. Location. Alvear, La Pampa Argentina Date: May 3 2002 Time: near midnight Several young men were returning home late at night along a deserted roadway when suddenly out of nowhere a female figure wearing a light flowing gown and with long black hair appeared in front of them. The strange figure was very pale and appeared elderly and repeatedly asked for= assistance from the men in a strange urgent tone. Terrified the men ran from the area and later returned with additional witnesses but they could find no trace of the strange apparition. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E? 36. Location. Taralgon Victoria, Australia Date: May 24 2002 Time: 2355 Walking near the Loy Yang Power station 45-year old Martin Taylor was suddenly blinded by an intense blue light and he felt extremely dizzy. His= next memory was of being in a circular room with a variety of lights and buttons scattered about the walls. He was lying on a large table that seemed to be of a very highly polished metal. He was strapped down and his= shirt had been removed. There were wires attached to his arms, neck and temples. A four ft tall humanoid figure with very large almond shaped eyes,= almost transparent looking skin, ghostly white in appearance examined him.= The figure had three extremely long fingers on each hand and spoke in a strange dialect. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: G 37. Location. Lembang Bandung, Indonesia Date: May 30 2002 Time: 2315 The witness was driving his motorcycle across a highland area when he spotted some flashing lights overhead and then noticed a silvery disc-shaped craft descend low over some nearby graves at a cemetery. The craft had blue and orange flashing lights around its rim. There was no sound as the craft apparently emitted a beam of light towards the ground and levitated what appeared to be some dead bodies onboard the object. (!)= The witness was apparently paralyzed and was unable to move. The craft then= shot away at a 45-degree angle and disappeared from sight. When that happened the witness left the scene. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 38. Location. Houston, Texas Date: late May 2002 Time: afternoon The witness was at the local electric company in order to pay a bill when she decided to use the restrooms. Sitting in the stall she then noticed on= the side of the wall of the stall what appeared to be a face lit up in a dull light. When the witness looked directly at the =93face=94 it vanished.= She described is as having large round eyes no visible nose and a slit-like mouth. (A peeping tom alien?) HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E? 39. Location. General Acha, La Pampa, Argentina Date: early June 2002 Time: various A resident of the Oeste neighborhood informed newspaper sources that a short green-colored dwarf like entity has appeared twice on her property: once in the morning and once in the afternoon. When her husband ran out responding to her screams, the mysterious entity vanished by rapidly climbing up a tree. All versions agree in that the entity is short in stature. Another resident added that it moved so quickly that it was hard to describe it. In the same area mysterious cattle mutilations have also been reported. HC addendum Source: Loren Coleman in UFO Updates Type: E 40. Location. Ojo De Agua, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: afternoon Several passengers onboard two farm micro buses reported seeing a very tall= dark man like figure that appeared to be wearing a tight fitting diver=92s= outfit standing on a nearby field. Nearby numerous mysterious animal mutilations have been reported. The figure was silent and was quickly lost= from sight as the buses moved away. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 41. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: June 2002 Time: night A man and three of his friends reported encountering two bizarre chupacabra= type creatures one stood about 3-4 ft tall, the other looked to be about 6= ft tall. Both had large glowing red eyes and spikes starting from the head= to the back. They scurried away into a wooded area. (They were to have further encounters in August). HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com Type: E 42. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: midnight Irma Rick watched a rotating luminous object descend close to the ground next to a grain silo; it gave off a powerful bluish light through some openings around its circumference. It hovered close to the ground. Through= an opening a strange creature was seen to descend to the ground. It was described as having an elongated semi-transparent white body; it also had an elongated head. She could not see any eyes or legs on the creature as it= stood motionless next to the craft. She observed the creature and object for about 5 minutes until she dropped the flashlight she was carrying. Afraid she left the area and did not see the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: B 43. Location. Antalya, Turkey Date: June 5 2002 Time: afternoon Approximately 45 witnesses claimed they saw an UFO in the Santral district= landing on the backyard of the Fatma Primary School. Several students including Murat Esici age 11 saw an alien emitting red rays from his eyes come out of the object. His hands and feet were metallic. He had a very big= head and was about 1.80 meters in height. Esici temporarily lost her voice= immediately after the sighting. Students Zeynep Cpnar and Nalan Donmez also= claimed they san an unusual craft and an alien beside it. =93His eyes and hands were red and a red light was emitting from his eyes.=94 The children= were overcome with shock after the incident. HC addendum Source: Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center Intl Type: B 44. Location. Polonnauruwa, Sri Lanka Date: June 8 2002 Time: 2200 Approximately 50 to 70 eyewitnesses saw a UFO flying at about 100 meters above ground level. The object was silent and briefly landed emitting a bright flash like light. When it was close to the ground the object emitted= a buzzing sound. Three other witnesses saw three 2 ft tall creatures than when approached ran into the jungle and disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Sources Type: D 45. Location. Polonnaruwa, Sir Lanka Date: June 9 2002 Time: 2012 Two witnesses went to a bath on a nearby river when they heard a loud thundering sound and a UFO appeared. The craft landed nearby and two, 2 ft= tall =93aliens=94 emerged from the object. One of the humanoids flung a= small fluorescent fireball like object that flew over a house and vanished. Soon= the craft and humanoids disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC & News Reports Type: B 46. Location. Trincomalee, Sri Lanka Date: June 10 2002 Time: 1900 Witnesses saw a mysterious light in the sky and others saw a large disc shaped object land nearby. Three humanoids only about 2 ft tall emerged from the craft and disappeared into the forest when approached. The object= also left. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Reports Type: B 47. Location. Chantilly, Virginia Date: June 10 2002 Time: night The witness was awakened during the night with a sense of some presence in= the room. Looking toward the door, he saw, fading quickly, something, which= almost had the appearance of a hologram. Next, shadows appeared outside the= windows in an erratic shape. At first he thought the shadows to be from trees moving in a strong wind. The appearance was of a storm blowing the limbs to create these shadows outside the window. However, there was no storm. He looked at the adjacent window on the side of the house facing opposite and there was no wind at all. In fact there was no trees positioned in such a way to cast a shadow. He opened the blinds to see what= might be causing the shadows. He then saw what seemed to be a hologram with= the shape of two small eyes moving erratically outside the window. Frightened he closed the blinds. Two weeks later he was awakened by a humming sound and again saw the erratic shadows outside the window. He watched the shadows for 10-15 minutes and then called the police. The police found no signs of any intrusion in the yard. When the police left the witness walked toward the door facing the back porch and saw a large burst of bluish white light. It looked unnatural, almost like a laser. He has not seen the =93shadows=94 again. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E? 48. Location. Ataliva Roca, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 11 2002 Time: 1930 A worker at a local drainage project was sitting and guarding some machinery when he noticed a short greenish colored humanoid figure that was= approaching his location from a nearby field. The witness became concerned= and drove away from the area in the construction equipment and did not see= the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 49. Location. Eduardo Castex, La Pampa Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Two girls of a local school encountered a short greenish humanoid figure in= the playing yard. The figure was standing up and appeared to be raising its= arms up to the sky. Terrified the two girls retreated into the school and watched the figure scurry away into some nearby woods. Around the same time= a local farmer found a strangely mutilated hog in his farm. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 50. Location. Chasico, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Hugo Deluca and several other workers were parked in a bus in an isolated area when they spotted about 20 meters away a short, 1.20 meters tall, bipedal figure completely covered in gray hair. It walked upright like a man and then scurried away into some woods vanishing from sight. The area had been hit with animal mutilations around the same time. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 51. Location. Castex, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 13 2002 Time: night A 70-year old man had gone to his driveway to check on a flat tire in his car when a short light green colored humanoid suddenly appeared next to him. It had large round ears, and two reddish luminous eyes. Its body was thin and almost triangular in shape. The witness attempted to yell out but= was suddenly unable to speak and at the same time strange warmth invaded his body. Several seconds later the humanoid vanished and the witness returned to normal. He reported the incident to the police. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 52. Location. La Laguna, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 14 2002 Time: afternoon Several youngster had gone into the fields in order to obtain some firewood= when they saw sitting on a clearing in the woods two human like figures, all dressed in black. They sat facing each other, one looking towards the east the other towards the west, unmoving. Unnerved by the sight the juveniles ran from the area. The next day the father of one of the boys found two dead cows at the site, but could find no trace of the strange pair. Days later a sheep and a horse were found dead and strangely mutilated in the nearby location of El Cardonal. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: E 53. Location. De Kalb, Illinois Date: June 15 2002 Time: 0030A The witness was sitting in his family room watching TV when he noticed a bright flash of light outside the window. He saw the flash several times and decided to check his backyard there he saw a circular light moving around in circles. The light began to get closer; scared he ran inside his= home and called a friend on the phone. He then quickly ran outside and saw= the circle getting closer, he noticed that it had a purplish color to it and it began to descend towards the ground. He became nauseous and dizzy and collapsed on to the ground. He tried to crawl to the house but was unable to move. He turned his head and saw the purplish object on the ground and what appeared to be a door opening up. He then heard a squeaking= noise and saw a tall and a short figure standing by a door of the object. The two figures started to move towards him, walking in a strange bopping fashion. They were of a dark complexion with a bumpy texture, other than that they resembled normal human beings. The shorter figure approached and= picked up the witness=92 camera and stared at it. He then looked at the taller figure and handed it to him. The taller of the two looked at the camera and then at the witness. The witness then heard loud unpleasant shrieks coming from the taller figure, which then gave the camera back to the shorter figure, which covered the camera with his hand, seconds later a= light began to emerge from their hands. Then they stopped, threw the camera= aside and began to walk towards the witness. They reached his side and started to examine his body. A dog began to bark from inside the house and= the shorter figure put out his hand and the dog stopped barking. At this point the witness began to vomit. After about a minute he began to relax and to breathe better. When he turned his head he realized that the two figures and the purple spherical object were now gone. The next day he had= a very severe headache. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: B 54. Location. Manuel Rodriguez, Calama, Chile Date: June 22 2002 Time: after midnight A bizarre creature was spotted at a local housing complex on San Antonio Street. Witnesses reported that it resembled an ape and it jumped all over= the roof. It passed right in front of the witness, Maria Gavia=92s window= and then it came back making all manner of noise. The creature was able to make= very long jumps, unlike any a human could. It jumped and landed on the neighbor=92s roof and then it left the area. Neighborhood dogs acted scared= and began howling. Others described the creature as about 1.5 meters tall,= stocky in build with bright red eyes. It made a lot of noise. Others reportedly chased the creature. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center, quoting El Mercurio de Calama Type: E 55. Location. Angencia Realico, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 23 2002 Time: late night Several hunters returning to a local ranch spotted about 50 meters away two= large glowing reddish eyes staring at them. They turned off their flashlight and approached closer on foot, about 30 meters away they again saw the reddish eyes on a dark creature that appeared to be standing on top= of an apparently dead animal. One of the hunters shone its flashlight on the figure again and saw a figure about 40 cm in height that quickly ran from the area at very high speed. The creature disappeared into the brush.= At the scene, a dead and mutilated young heifer. Other mutilations were reported in the area. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 56. Location. Rancul, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 25 2002 Time: 2020 Two young men, Nestor Pinto and Daniel Gatica were walking on a field when= they encountered a short man-like figure with huge pointy ears and long dangling arms standing near some brush. The figure scurried into the brush= and disappeared and at the same time the two witnesses ran away from the area and did not see the strange dwarf again. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 57. Location. Bavaria, Germany (exact location not given) Date: June 25 2002 Time: night The witness had stayed up late watching the soccer game as was in his bedroom when suddenly there was a coldness around him that made him shiver.= He noticed that his audio capabilities were somehow enhanced and he was able to hear sounds that previously he was unable to hear. He then heard a= noise outside his door and went out to investigate. The noise became louder= as he approached the door. He then heard footsteps and opened the door. A very small man with a somewhat deformed body that was smiling at him confronted the witness. He looked straight ahead and then stared at the witness. His next memory was of waking up in his bed in the morning. HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E 58. Location. Tunkhannock, Wyoming County, Pennsylvania Date: June 26 2002 Time: 2105 The primary witness had stepped out on his back porch when his attention was drawn to two huge black =93birds=94 which were approaching from the= north. His first impression was they were Herons, but soon realized that the color= was wrong, and =93they were huge, much larger than any bird I have ever seen.=94 The two huge birds landed at the top of a very tall coniferous= tree. The witness stated that the wingspan appeared to be wider than the branches, jest below where they had landed. The body size was estimated to= be about six feet from head to tail. The oddest feature was the shape of the wings, which according to the witness appeared to be bat-like. The tree= where the =93birds=94 landed seemed as though it would break from their= weight. The witness yelled for others in the house to come outside to look. Another= family member was able to see the huge black birds as they passed overhead,= and headed for some woods. After checking the size of the branches where the birds had landed, the witness estimated that the wingspan would have been close to 12 feet or somewhat larger. HC addendum Source: Stan Gordon Type: E 59. Location. Adelia Maria, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 3 2002 Time: 2100 Pedro and Estela Moine had decided to visit the business district of town called Barrio Norte and crossed the old railroad yard through a pedestrian= pathway that ran through a pasture area between some silos, old railroad depots and abandoned wreckage. As the couple moved through the premises they suddenly became aware of a strange and incomprehensible conversation between many voices. Startled, they stopped walking moved a few meters more= and then heard the voices again which now sounded like strange =93O=94= sounds. Pedro looked toward the silos and was able to see resembling humanoid but lacking upper and lower extremities. Despite the pleas of his wife, Pedro ran several meters toward an inner alley in the silo plant, being able to make out some 45 meters to the west and in profile---the entity, which acting surprised, avoided the encounter and moved again to the north. However, what filled the witnesses with wonderment was that the creature did so as though flying or floating without touching the facilities it passed. Pedro and Estela ran after it. It was thus that the man managed to= see the entity apparently hiding behind the control room of the truck scale. Pedro ran toward it and was again startled to see the apparition rising as a plane taking off, flying at an altitude of 5 meters and disappearing behind a large metal shed. Bewildered, both witnesses called out, but were unable to see anything else. Pedro Moine as =93a thing with human shape=94 described the apparition. It had some sort of light, although= he could not say if reflected or self-generated, although he tends to believe the latter, since it was a nebulous whitish light, which kept him from making out details. The entire mass of the apparition appeared to be a= body covered from head to toe in some sort of mantle, which he described as= though it wore a hat, but covered with some kind of long raincoat reaching= down to what he took to be its feet. He added that the =93conversational sounds=94 repeated themselves in three separate occasions at various intensities. They were like conversations in a strange language. HC addendum Source: Mario Luis Bracamonte, C.O.R, Rio Cuarto Argentina Type: E 60. Location. Jerusalem, Israel Date: July 6 2002 Time: night A remote TV camera picked up images of =93orbs seen on the corner to the right of the Wailing Wall.=94 They seemed to have facial features almost= like a ghost, reported investigator Charlotte LeFevre. The orbs were described as =93sharp and distinct=94. The orbs were next to the women=92s prayer area= in front of the Wall. Other strange phenomena, has been reported in the area. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 29 Type: F? 61. Location. Villa Elisa, La Pampa, Argentina Date: July 13 2002 Time: 2300 A young woman fainted from nervous shock after having an alleged closed encounter with =93some sort of green dwarf=94. This occurred---enveloped in= darkness---along Misioneros Salesianos Street very close to several houses.= An ambulance was called and apparently transported the witness who was in shock. HC addendum Source: Gloria Coluchi Type: E 62. Location. Patna, India Date: July 21 2002 Time: night Several residents claim they=92ve been bitten or scratched by a =93black monkey-like creature with colored lights flashing from its eyes.=94 Resident= Pawan Kumar Niyogi who was sleeping on the terrace of his house claims =93a= 5 ft tall monkey-like creature=94 attacked him. He said: =93I was terrified= and thought my life was going to end but it merely scratched me on the shoulder= before jumping off the roof.=94 Local residents are conducting night vigils= and carrying torches to guard their homes. HC addendum Source: Ananova, Ufoupdates. Type: E 63. Location. Chajan, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 21 2002 Time: 2300 Police officer Guillermo Arias was on routine patrol through a rural area when he heard over the radio that his colleagues in arms over at Achiras were seeing lights in sectors of said community, and that they were heading= towards Chajan along National Route 8. At the wheel of the police patrol van, he managed to see a formation of 7 lights in the distance and decided= to drive 10 km along a rural dirt road. When he had covered said distance,= he noticed, not without surprise, that the engine of his vehicle sputtered= and died, causing the police car to strike the edge of a guardrail. Simultaneously, the lights on the van=92s dashboard began turning on and off= randomly, the police radio went haywire and its dial displayed the random shifting of the frequencies while the cabin became filled with an acrid odor, as though of burnt wiring, and the interior lights and stop indicator, which were broken, began lighting on and off. Seized by fear, Arias leaped from the van and walked away a few meters down the road, losing his cellular phone in the escape. The darkness was total, when suddenly, amid the confusing situation; an immense light emerged from a field adjacent to the road as a triangular object rose majestically into the air. Now Arias condition went from fear to abject terror as he saw what= he described as a real =93floating city=94 some 200 meters long with a long= row of windows (perhaps as many as 100). Arias claims having seen something move behind them, describing the movement as =93TV sets which make lines and= shadows=94, which he defined as =93non-human=94, and that many beams of= light came out of the giant triangle, aimed at the ground. The event lasted 2-3 seconds, but to Arias it felt like an eternity. The object suddenly rose and sped away, vanishing behind the hills of a local field. As the object moved away, the whole area was lit up like daytime and there was an afterglow that lasted another 20 minutes. HC addendum Source: C.O.R., Circulo Ovnilogico Riocuartense, Argentina Type: A 64. Location. Waconia, Minnesota Date: July 26 2002 Time: 0300A The young witness was sleeping in the backyard with his sister when he suddenly woke up. He then noticed that the side of the tent that faced the= wetlands and lake was lit up. Looking towards the light he saw a shadowy torso and arm of a humanoid figure that seemed to be moving around within the light. He watched for 30 seconds and saw the figure move the fingers of= his hands. The witness became frightened and hid in his sleeping bag. He came out about an hour later and the light and strange figure were completely gone. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 65. Location. Sedona, Arizona Date: July 28 2002 Time: 0310A In a wooded area the witness saw what appeared to be a figure glowing all white, with black =93straight=94 eyes; and black diagonal/diamond strip of= =93clothing=94 on top. He stood staring at the figure for 20 seconds and= then left. Prior to seeing the figure the witness had seen lights in a large oval shaped pattern in the sky. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 66. Location. Tahmoor, Queensland, Australia Date: July 28 2002 Time: 1730 Three girls had decided to visit the rooftop as they did the prior evening= watching for satellites. It was dusk and the girls had a good vantage point= looking towards the east. With them they had a pair of binoculars and a pair of walkie-talkies. The girls noticed that a large orange light appeared approximately 15 degrees above the eastern horizon. The anomaly was noted to have fluctuated in colors of orange, yellow, white and pale blue. At fist they thought of an arriving airplane, but then a second light= appeared approximately 50 degrees south of the first anomaly, and about 10= degrees above the horizon. This much smaller anomaly began to perform some= unusually maneuvering; from a stationary position it accelerated at least 5= degrees closer to the ground surface at an approximate 45-60 degree angle within a matter of a single second. The first anomaly then began to move slowly towards the north. At this stage they partially lost view of it as it moved behind a tree. Then a third anomaly appeared in a valley-like region of the horizon. According to the witnesses, this third object appeared to have =93landed=94 on the ground surface. The object was then= viewed through the binoculars and presented in great detail; the object was described as a gray saucer with interchanging colors of green, red/orange,= blue/purple and white rotating around the rim. Thy also noted the trees being slightly illuminated by this extraordinary phenomenon. They were suddenly distracted by someone on their walkie-talkie saying, =93Identify yourself.=94 This was followed by some unusual voices communicating in a foreign language. Around 1830 the girls were then called down to have dinner. At about 2030 the girls re-established their places on the roof after dinner. To their surprise, the third ground-based object was still present. Unexpectedly a yellow beam of light ascended a few meters above the object and suddenly deviated its course towards the three girls. =93It= was like an orange, yellowy bright light shining on us from far away.=94 The= light shone on them for a period of about half a minute. At this point, it= is not clear how one of the girls ended up on the ground. She became extremely hysterical and ran inside. The other two girls quickly followed her. That evening all three girls had stomach pains. One of them could not= sleep and did not go to school the next day. Another of the girls woke up the next morning with her nose bleeding. She also mentioned that she had seen a strange small human like figure in her bedroom. HC addendum Source: The Australian UFO Research Network Type: D or F? 67. Location. Punta Alta, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 29 2002 Time: early morning Local residents have seen a strange figure, which they described as resembling a =93shroud=94. The apparitions, which always occur in the early= morning hours, have become so common that in recent days several neighbors= have stayed up late to see them, and it is thus that they were able to confirm the simultaneous presence of up to 2 such beings, as well as red lights flying over the area. All the witnesses whether individuals or in a= group, agree that the entities are nebulous and glowing, with a pair of red= eyes being clearly identifiable, and glassy faces (as if transparent). Their movements are smooth and they always appear from behind the sand dunes, as though =93coming form the Naval Base.=94 Most witnesses agree that= they show a great interest in the water tanks located above the roofs, and= that they do not flee upon detecting the presence of local residents---rather, they stare at them fixedly for some minutes. Deep silence is perceived during the observations and =93the air appears to= become still=94 and neither heat nor cold can be felt---only a sensation of warmth,= as if the beings emanated heat. Witnesses also state that things appear to= be darker when =93the shroud=94 appears, as though ambient lighting were dimmed. Another curious fact is the large number of cats and dogs who report to the place where the sightings occur and sit down to observe it in= silence, in a state resembling a trance. A series of semi-circular prints have been found in the dunes, not very deep, with 15-20 cm separations in some cases and 30-50 cm in others. The locals have identified them as the strange being=92s footprints. Efforts have been made to photograph the =93shroud=94, but all images, despite the use of different cameras appear exposed. One witness who approached the site to witness the phenomenon took= two photos of the prints in the afternoon and decided to stay with the group of people hoping to see the =93shroud=94, managing to take some photos= of same and record the new prints which appeared in the dunes after the sighting. A completely uncommon print was found at the site---but the residents aren=92t sure if it=92s related to the phenomenon: it has the= shape of a five-fingered claw. One witness tried to make use of his carbine=92s telescopic sight to see the figure in greater detail, but =93when he tried= to focus on it, he could see nothing=85it was a though it could only be seen with the unaided eye.=94 HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, IHU, Christian Quintero and O A Mario Proyecto Condor Type: C or E? 68. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 30 2002 Time: 0530A 27-year old Mariela Baigorri reported seeing a strange figure that floated= in front of her house. She had woken up early that morning and was getting= ready to mount her bicycle when she saw behind the fence something floating= in mid-air. It appeared to be a figure wearing a flowing white transparent= tunic, with bright red eyes and undefined facial features. Feeling no fear= she decided to approach it. She felt as if the figure waited for her and was observing her. At this point Mariela felt some fear and began reciting= the Lord=92s Prayer. The figure suddenly moved back and disappeared in plain= sight. HC addendum Source: Juan Carlos Corrales Morey, Vision Ovni, Argentina Type: E 69. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 31 2002 Time: 1845 23-year old Julian Pereyra was in his vehicle when he observed two red spheres flying slowly over some nearby woods, they seemed to descend and disappear behind the trees. 15 minutes later, Pereyra, accompanied by several other witnesses approached the area and observed what they described a tall floating figure wearing a white glowing cape like outfit,= it seemed to glide silently over a field. It had what appeared to be a visor at face level and two beams of red light emerged from where the eyes= would have been. The witnesses watched the strange figure glide over the fields for about 30 minutes. Curiously numerous local dogs and cats approached and also watched the figure in fascination. The lights and figure disappeared into the distance. In another occasion Pereyra and some= of his family members encountered the strange humanoid and felt a strange sensation as if the wind had suddenly stopped, they felt as they were inside a vacuum or =93bubble.=94 Strange tracks have been reportedly found= in the area also. HC addendum Source: Diario La Nueva Provincia, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Type: C? 70. Location. La Cienaga, Pocri, Panama Date: early August 2002 Time: night Luis Alfredo Diaz reported hearing loud noises coming from the terraced patio where the kitchen was located, going to investigate he found his cat= apparently dead with two obvious holes on the neck and some blood on the floor. Before finding the cat he had called his wife, Maria de Los Santos Barrios. As his wife stood in front of him a panic stricken look came over= her face, turning around he was confronted by a bizarre 1-meter tall humanoid that had jumped to the center of the patio. The creature was described as thin, covered with dark hair, with large pointed ears that almost covered its face, it had very large eyes and extremely strong hind legs resembling that of a kangaroo. Terrified he ran to his son=92s bedroom= and carried him outside yelling for his neighbors. A search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Panamanian Paranormal Forum Type: E 71. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: August 1 2002 Time: late evening 64-year old Raul Dorado was touring some fields when he heard a loud sound= on two occasions, like a whirlwind, which drew his attention. The third time he saw something he describes as a green circle with three legs hovering over him. At that moment Dorado fell to the ground, and according= to his story, he carried a shotgun, binoculars and a cellular phone, the latter, which was taken from his hand, and he could clearly see being sucked into the object, which was apparently at low altitude. His next recollection was seeing the object disappear toward the east. Dorado remained at the location for an hour before being able to rise and walk back to his car, returning to town in a state of shock. He had to be hospitalized. Later when calls were placed to the (abducted) cellular phone= someone would pick up and heavy breathing could be heard. Later on the phone was apparently disconnected. HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, quoting Diario La Arena, La Pampa Type:= G? 72. Location. Montour Ridge, Northumberland, Pennsylvania Date: August 2 2002 Time: 1730 A man named Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for pre-season deer. He= told his wife that he would be home by noon. He rode his 4-wheeler up the power line behind his home. He never returned. A search party composed of local police, state police and volunteers searched for Sees. The 4-wheeler= was found on the top of the mountain near a power-line. Tracking dogs could= find nothing to go on around the 4-wheeler. The search went on for 2 days and over 6 miles of mountain was covered from top to bottom. Then, in the evening of the 2nd day, his body was found in a hard to reach wooded area.= He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated---not bloated. He was pale and had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain he was fully dressed, boots, camo-vest, hat, socks, pants. 3 people, on one= farm, said they saw a large round bright object just above the power-lines= at the time of the disappearance. It was silent, it did not move for about= 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up and suddenly stopped. A light shone down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up,= hesitated again, and then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight. More specifically a farmer saw an object above Montour Ridge at the= power lines, on top of the mountain, it was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hundred feet to the east, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shone to the ground. What was= seen next was very unnerving, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in= the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly= in the light. What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later it started shuddering, then went west very fast,= stopped briefly, and then went straight up and out of sight. Also three fishermen saw the craft. The FBI is supposedly also investigating. HC addendum Source: Rense, UFO updates, NUFORC Type: G? 73. Location. Florida, exact location not given Date: August 7 2002 Time: 0503A The witness was in his room when he heard a sound out in his backyard. He went out to see and there was nothing to see. When he came back to his room, there was a figure standing outside of his window, the figure was shadowy and it resembled a =93typical=94 gray alien. He ran outside armed= with his pellet gun and as he opened the door he saw it disappearing into the woods in front of the house. It was gray in color, hairless and the head was slightly larger than normal. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 74. Location. Mt.Ciosek, Poland Date: August 11 2002 Time: 1500 Researcher Robert Lesniakiewicz was out in a wooded area looking for mushrooms when suddenly he felt an unusual quiet in the area, the birds seemed to stop singing and the insects had stopped chirping. Almost simultaneously he heard a whistle coming from somewhere in front of him that was initially high-pitched and then declined in volume. He noticed an= =93invisible=94 something or somebody that seemed to be parting some tree branches just about 30 meters from his location. Seconds later he heard a second identical whistle, this time coming from behind him. Lesniakiewicz had the distinct impression that someone invisible was stalking him and trying to surround him. He could feel whistles and movement all around him= but could not see anything physical. After a few terrifying minutes everything suddenly returned to normal, with the familiar bird and insect sounds now back in focus. He searched around but could not find any logical= explanation as to what had occurred. (Brings to mind the attack on a woman= by invisible =93aliens=94 in the Lorie Valley, France back in 1950). HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Robert Lesniakiewicz) Type:= F? 75. Location. Fuerte Alto, Argentina Date: August 13 2002 Time: night Hearing a loud ruckus coming from the goat pen, 14-year Ariel Gonzalez summoned his guard dogs and went to investigate. As he approached the pen the dogs refused to go any further and began to emit an unearthly howl. Climbing on top of a small hill he looked inside the pen and was horrified= to see a bizarre creature that had climbed on top of a goat. He described it as a short hairy humanoid with large glowing red eyes and shiny white sharp fangs protruding out of its mouth. The creature jumped down from the= moribund goat and disappeared into some nearby woods. Several of the animals were found dead and bloodless and mysterious three toed footprints= were found on the ground. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 76. Location. Ilha De Colares, Amazonia, Brazil Date: August 15 2002 Time: night Two men were reportedly attacked in a wooded area by a short powerfully built creature covered with black hair and with glowing red eyes. It had three sharp =93talons=94 that injured both men, one of them critically. No= other information. HC addendum Source: Daniel Rebisso & Carlos Alberto Machado Type: E 77. Location. Detroit, Michigan Date: August 19 2002 Time: 0600A During a stormy morning the witness was driving to work when a flash of light made him look up over the nearby Fisher building about 50 stories up.= The building has a big red ball lit up on top. Around it he saw several huge winged figures, to big to be birds. It appeared they were startled from the lighting as they flew in a boomerang type formation. They were surrounded by a yellow glow at first and then a red glow as they drifted southeast. They had appeared to take off from the top of the building. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 78. Location. Wolfsgraben, Austria Date: August 19 2002 Time: morning The witness was out in the morning to collect mushrooms near the small village when he suddenly saw a big swarm of very large birds, containing more than 100 specimens. One of the =93birds=94 left the group and sailed= down to circle the witness for about five minutes or so. He described the strange bird, as having a long and baldhead with a long beak, and something= prolonging the head stuck out form its hind skull. It really looked more like a pterodactyl than a bird. The only difference was that it was covered= with feathers. It had the body of a penguin and a long neck, also short legs. It had a white breast and belly, while the rest of its body was totally black. Its wingspan was at least that of 7 ft. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 35 Type: E 79. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: August 24 2002 Time: night A bizarre creature that jumped out of a bush reportedly attacked a man walking along a path. It had a tongue like a lance that apparently was able= to suck blood. It shot a mysterious liquid like substance at the witness. The witness managed to get away. Another man saw a dark figure running from= a fence and hide behind a truck tire. It appeared to have strong hind legs= and small hands raised up at chest level. According to one of the witnesses= he attempted to chase a couple of the creatures but seemingly disappeared into the ground. HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com, Direct communications From witness. Type: E
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases From: Albert Rosales <Garuda79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:40:34 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:24:41 -0400 Subject: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases Greetings all Bon jour Saludos Abracos! And remember, there are none so blind than those who _will_ not see. Albert ----- 2002 Humanoid Reports. It appears to be a slow start for this year with only one recorded case, again from Chile. We will see what develops later on the year. 2001 was pretty busy but it was a decline from 2000. Maybe we will see another down= trend again, later to pick up again in the near future. This seems to be the ever-ongoing trend of the phenomena. Will it always stay the same? Time= will tell. Following is a list of known 2002 humanoid cases. 1. Location. Calama, Chile Date: January 2002 Time: 0300A An employee at the local Minera Escondida was on his way to the storage freezer in order to pick up some supplies when an unknown creature jumped him from behind. He could only describe it as hairy and dark. He was left with deep scratches and in a state of shock. Terrified he ran away and bumped into two other employees who were able to see a shadowy creature in= the dark. HC addendum Source: La Estrella del Loa de Calama, Chile Type: E 2. Location. Fort McMurry, Alberta, Canada Date: January 2 2002 Time: 2032 Two men were parked on an isolated dirt road when they spotted a large cone-shaped object descend and hover. One of the men exited the car and he= vanished in plain sight of the other, the craft then also disappeared. The= other man tried to drive away to get help but the car would not start and it was to cold to walk. He soon went to sleep and woke up later to find his= friend sleeping next to him. Later they drove back to town. His friend does= not remember what happened during those two hours of missing time. No other= information. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 3. Location. Paso Lovera, Corrientes, Argentina Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2030 Gabriela Lencinas, 15-year old and a 19-year old friend were returning home= on a bicycle when they spotted a large cloud like object descend from the sky and from it a giant figure emerge. The witnesses stopped their bicycles= to see a car approach the giant figure, stop, the driver exit the car and then re-entering the vehicle and driving quickly away. The figure then rose= up into the cloud and disappeared. The girls reported that the giant human-like figure had its hair standing up on his head and was extending its arms towards the witnesses that quickly rode their bicycles home. Other= in the area reported seeing bright lights that same night. HC addendum Source: Pablo Omastott Type: B? 4. Location. Villa San Rafael, Chile Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2345 Two young teenagers, Jean F and Nelson C, where at home at night when Jean= noticed that his pet snake had escaped from its cage. Both boys began looking for it outside among the rubble of the parcel. They recalled how half an hour before, their two dogs strangely began to howl and cry; however, it did not seem to be important at that point in time. They searched for the pet snake together when suddenly, about 30 meters from where they stood; they saw what appeared to be a stray dog. They threw rocks at to avoid an attack. However, to their surprise, the animal stood there, motionless and fearless; it did not get scared nor it ran away as ordinary dogs normally do. Shortly, the strange animal began to move towards them. The movements it made as it walked were very strange. It used= two legs at a time. It made very small sand short leaps like a rabbit. Suddenly, it stopped and it stood up on two legs. The teenagers then began= to feel some kind of energy. =93It was like an electrical shock in the stomach,=94 they said. It later walked again making a loud dragging noise,= making small leaps and only moving one of its legs. They noticed the weird= shape of the animal. =93It was like a rugby football with legs,=94 one of= them said. Jean began to feel frightened and started to move away from animal. On the other hand, Nelson felt a strange need to get closer to the creature; he got to within 2 meters away from it. The creature appear to emit a strange luminosity that apparently, was bright enough to lit a small= area around the creature in spite of the nighttime darkness. Nelson was mesmerized as he stared at the strange creature. He described it as having= a head like a large dog with a flat nose like a bulldog. Its eyes were slanted and pale-red in color, which could only be seen when the creature turned its head from side to side like a lizard. At that moment, Nelson heard a voice in his head saying, =93Don=92t stare, and just run away.=94= They provided further description, describing the ears as flat, round and large.= Its arms were short, it had elbows, and the hands had three fingers. It had= hair like the one on a wild pig. Its legs were like the ones of a goat. The= feet had also three fingers and a membrane like ducks, but somewhat shorter. On its curved back, they were able to notice a spinal section covered with amounts of even thicker hair. Most of the hair of the animal was gray, but the tail had a white tip. Nelson finally fled, terrified, from the area. He also described how he felt an inexplicable bone-chilling= cold sensation. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center Type: E 5. Location. Chihuahua, Mexico Date: January 29 2002 Time: night Several days before seeing a UFO the witness remembered being in a dream-like state in which he felt very calm and saw numerous disc shaped objects, orange-red in color. A human like figure was talking to him about= the objects and their propulsion. The UFO he saw was of an orange color and= he felt a sort of ecstasy when he observed the craft. Several of his neighbors also saw the object. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G or F? 6. Location. Near Palmyra, Wisconsin Date: February 2002 Time: 0200A Two men reported seeing a creature that resembled a bipedal =93gigantic= wolf=94 walking down a road west of the city. They said the creature was at least 7= ft tall with a wolf-like head. No other information. HC addendum Source: Linda Godfrey Type: E 7. Location. West Garo Hills, Meghalaya, India Date: February 2002 Time: afternoon Nebilson Sangma reported encountering a scary furry creature on a hunting trip in the jungles. He reportedly took a video of the creature=92s nesting= place. According to Sangma, the creature walked erect like a human, had built a house like nesting place, and would emerge from it frequently to feast on a banana grove. Sangma and his brother observed the gigantic creature for three consecutive days from afar. Officials and villagers have= been hunting for the creature in the forest but it seems to have disappeared as furtively as it appeared. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 13 Type: E 8. Location. Rosario de la Frontera, Salta, Argentina Date: February 2002 Time: night A strange creature called by locals =93El Pestizo=94 has attacked several= lone pedestrians in the middle of the night. It is described as a dark man shaped shadowy being. A boy riding his bicycle on the way to visit some friends was toppled from his bicycle and found a black shadowy figure facing him. The young man managed to upholster his shotgun and fire two shots. But, when he saw that they had no effect, he promptly drew his knife= and stabbed the figure without any apparent harm. Frightened the youth tried to escape but the creature knocked him down without saying a word and= began dragging him by the hair to the side of the road. At this point the young man began to scream. A local man, who rushed to provide assistance, only to find a black shadow dragging the boy by the hair, heard his cries.= The fearful shape disappeared without a trace after it became aware of the= other man=92s presence. Six other locals have reported being attacked by a= similar being and received wounds. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 9. Location. Not given Date: February 2002 Time: early morning The witness was alone at home and was preparing his breakfast when suddenly= he heard a window break; he went to see what had happened. Grabbing a golf= club he peeked inside the room where the window broke. He was stunned to see a strange creature climbing on his bed. It appeared to be hurt, because= it seemed that it could not move well. Gripping the golf club he went a step nearer and the creature hissed horribly. It shrieked in an unworldly manner. Terrified the witness did not move. The creature was small, about the size of a large rabbit, and it was dark in color and had reddish eyes.= It had wings and a spine of quills on its back, and had a semi reptilian face. It appeared to have hair and small legs. The witness raised the golf= club and the creature hissed again showing its large yellowish teeth, which= appeared to be sharp, like those of a crocodile. It suddenly hopped out of= the window and rapidly hopped across the street into the oak trees. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June archive Type: E 10. Location. Vigevano, Italy Date: February 2002 Time: 0100A In the outskirts of this city a witness observed from his vehicle a luminous humanoid entity walking along a roadway. It scurried away into the= darkness when approached. No other information. HC addendum Source: CISU, Italy Type: E 11. Location. Corguinho, Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil Date: February 5 2002 Time: night During a localized UFO flap several witnesses reported seeing a strange creature described as about 1.3 meters in height, having two legs, with a physique like a human but who moved with a strange fluctuating motion. The= creature was seen five times by twenty people in the rural zone around Corguinho. In Rochedo, 6 miles south of Corguinho five Cebu cattle were found dead with a single incision on the side of the throat. The bodies had= been drained of blood. (Is there a connection?). HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 12. Location. Mount Podbrdo, Bosnia Hercigovina Date: February 11 2002 Time: morning Contactee and stigmatic Giorgio Bongiovanni was visiting the shrine on top= of the mountain and was praying silently to the Virgin when, to his astonishment, a glowing luminous female figure appeared and touched his forehead with her fingertips. His stigmata scar vanished instantly. The female figure told him to return to Italy and make known what had happened. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 14 Type: E or F? 13. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: February 11 2002 Time: evening 73-year-old Maria Rufina Cayo, a local shepherd was walking back home with= her dogs and the cattle. Suddenly at one point, something spooked the animals, and these began to stampede. Looking around she spotted a bizarre= creature standing about 12 meters away. She described it as a humanoid, half animal, half human, about 1.70m in height, with bright red eyes, sharp= protruding fangs, and hands and feet that ended in sharp claws. The creature looked at the witness three times then it scrambled away using quick jumping motions with is powerfully built hind legs, she also noticed= large pointy ears. Alerted by the shouts of Maria, two men, Santos Jaimes,= and Ruben Colque ran out to investigate with their dogs. Suddenly the dogs= stopped and began making pitiful howling noises, they refused to move any further. The men heard noises behind some nearby bushes and went to investigate and spotted a bizarre creature that stood staring at them with= huge reddish eyes. It then moved quickly away in the direction of Cerro Negro and disappeared from sight. The witnesses noticed very sharp claws on= the creature=92s feet with a very sharp claw that appeared to be pointed backwards. Strange footprints were found the next day. HC addendum Source: El Tribuno, Salta Argentina March 27 2002 Type: E 14. Location. Khanpur, Ahmedabad, India Date: February 20 2002 Time: after midnight Several local residents reportedly have encountered a person, dressed in black and wearing a mask. Dubbed the =93Monkeyman=94 whom they described as= between 25 and 20 years of age, dark skinned and having curly hair can reportedly be seen hopping from roof to roof and also on to trees. Two local youths chased it and the figure reportedly disappeared in plain sight. The two youths have been behaving abnormally since then. The stranger was also chased along the riverbed near the Cama Hotel and it also= suddenly disappeared. Others have heard the stranger running on the rooftops. Abdul Hamid another youngster of the local slums described the figure as a tall lean man that carries a sharp weapon. =93I saw him from the= back. He had a sword in his hand and when I raised the alarm, he jumped to= another roof and then on to a tree.=94 Police have searched for the stranger= but nothing has been found. HC addendum Source: Fortean Times, India Express Type: E 15. Location. Prague, Czech Republic Date: February 23 2002 Time: night Blanka Slemendova was in her apartment when she saw a =93ship=94 hovering= over some nearby woods. It was shining red, white and yellow lights. She then heard telepathic communication coming from the object telling her to go and= meet them at an unspecified location. Looking over to her bedroom wall she= saw what appeared to be a projection of human like faces looking at her. Later that night she saw luminous figures in her room and a floating red light also in her room. The next night she saw what appeared to be 2 gray suns and around them a golden lights with numerous groups of shiny human-like figures floating about. She interpreted these as being angels. HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Slemendova) Type: C &= F? 16. Location. Wycliffe Well Roadhouse, Northern Territory Australia Date: early March 2002 Time: evening While workers in the area watched unusual lights in the sky an aboriginal woman encountered a triangular sort of object in a paddock and all of the sudden she saw three silvery clad human like figures that began to move toward her vehicle. She turned the vehicle around and took off. HC addendum Source: Lou Farcus ABC On-line Type: C 17. Location. Near Canberra Australia Date: March 2002 Time: 1700 Several friends were taking a trip to the coast and it was already very dark. They had already entered a tropical forest area and there was a mist= rolling along the ground. As they turned around they saw something squatting in the middle of the road. It stared at them, and just as they thought they were going to hit it, it leaped off the road and into the trees. It leaped about 10 meters in the air. The creature was definitely human looking although it wore strange clothes. It was dressed in a green robe of some kind with little pieces of gold on it, and it was either wearing a head crest or it had a row of spikes running from its forehead to= the top of its neck. Very frightened the witnesses drove out of the forest= and at the same time the mist turned to a thick fog. They pulled over and decided to wait until the fog had cleared, although none of them were too happy about it. As they sat around and waited they suddenly heard a shriek.= It sounded like some sort of wild animal and they turned the car on so the= headlights would scare it away. The headlights revealed the same creature they had seen earlier. It hid its face from the light and shrieked. Right before the witnesses=92 eyes, the creature seemed to evaporate into the fog.= Within five minutes the fog had gone and the normal rolling mist was back.= The witnesses quickly left the area and drove towards the coast. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June Archive Type: E 18. Location. Guanica Puerto Rico Date: March 1 2002 Time: 2345 Reinaldo Rios (involved in other encounters) was in his bedroom that night= when a large white light suddenly appeared. It flew around the room several= times and then hovered. He heard voices coming from the light, which communicated with him. The voice said: =93I am your real father.=94 Soon the= light transformed itself into a figure resembling that of a little boy it then vanished in plain sight. HC addendum Source: UFOs over America.com Type: E 19. Location. Rotterdam, The Netherlands Date: March 2 2002 Time: 0800A The witness and his wife were in bed that Saturday morning talking when their 5-year-old daughter came into the bedroom with her baby brother, whose cot is placed under their bedroom window. They heard a strange noise= and some green light came into the window. Their daughter looked out the window and reported seeing a =93flying car=94 with four spinning green= lights on top. She saw two windows in the vehicle and saw two dark brown faces looking out. His wife saw the craft flying past through the curtains. That= same morning, in a large tree near the witness house a strange structure was found. The branches were arranged in a rectangular pen shape, vertical,= each approximately 30 to 40 cm long. They found a few smaller sticks scaling down in size from the structure. A piece of concrete slab was found= propped up on one corner. The witnesses had never seen this strange structure before and think is some kind of message left by the visitors. (Some kind of bizarre crop circle?). A few nights before they had heard strange noises coming from the kitchen area. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: A 20. Location. Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Date: March 3 2002 Time: morning Helen Diskin went for a walk in the countryside talking snap shots along the way with her digital camera. Returning home she loaded these into her computer and was intrigued by an odd-looking image. It looked like a luminous figure in an area of no sunlight, skulking amongst the trees. She= returned to the site of the photo twice afterward and could find no explanation for the figure. The figure resembled a small helmeted figure that she had not seen when she took the picture of an area of the woods she= had thought of as =93mysterious.=94 HC addendum Source: Helen Diskin, UFO Magazine Vol. 22 # 1 Type: E? 21. Location. Near Trenton New Jersey Date: March 4 2002 Time: night Several witnesses were camping outside of town and late at night one of them was attempting to put out the bonfire when he heard the most awful and= horrifying scream. It resembled that of an injured dog crossed with a scream of a woman. The witness dropped the flashlight and was joined by another witness. Suddenly out of the woods a hideous and grueling creature= appeared. It did not look human, somewhat satyr-like in appearance and walked on two legs. It had a long tail like a dragon and wings like those unicorns in fantasy books. The beast took several steps towards the witnesses and one of them picked up and asked and yelled at it and then shone his flashlight at it. The creature then turned towards the bushes and= ran away from the area. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: E 22. Location. Calama, Chile Date: March 16 2002 Time: 2215 Mirna, was watching television alone in her room when she began hearing noises coming from outside, at first she thought it was her dogs playing around with some empty cans. But the noises kept getting louder and louder= and she decided to go outside to investigate. Once outside she was stunned= to see some type creature that had somehow entered the rabbit cage and was= attacking the animals that were making loud unearthly screams. Thinking at= first that it was one of the dogs she approached the case but realized that= it was a gray colored hairy hunched over creature, that was moving quickly= inside the cage. She stepped back and could not understand how the creature= had entered the cage, since there wasn=92t any apparent hole or aperture visible anywhere and the door was firmly closed. Afraid she ran inside her= home and notified her son, both then ran out but the creature had mysteriously disappeared. Unnerved, they could not understand how they creature had escaped since the door to the rabbit caged was still firmly locked. Later they could only find a small round hole in the wire only several centimeters in width, not large enough for a creature estimated to= have been about 70 to 80 cm in height. Several of the rabbits were found injured and one was dead. HC addendum Source: Calama UFO Center Type: E 23. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: March 19 2002 Time: 2000 Young Elizabeth Lera reported seeing a short humanoid with =93dark eyes=94= looking into the building compound from behind a wire fence. It appeared not to have any other facial features and was wearing dark clothing; it wore some type of head covering, which was hard to see because of the darkness. She could only see a pair of large dark eyes on his face that appeared to shine in the darkness. Some more children now arrived and observed as the humanoid move several steps towards them. Another witness,= Rene Mamani saw the humanoid run and hide behind some bushes. It seemed to= move at very high speed in an unnatural fashion. It seemed to have remained= suspended in mid-air for a few seconds. It then seemed to fly through the air and disappeared into some nearby woods. Other students at the school reportedly saw it again on the night of the 20th. HC addendum Source: Patricio Parente, Gaceta Ovni Type: E 24. Location. Woodburn, Oregon Date: March 21 2002 Time: 0300A The witness was sleeping when she woke up suddenly feeling paralyzed. The witness was completely unable to move or speak. Her next memory was of a strange sensation on her left cheek, which hurt a lot. Unseen =93beings=94= were apparently taking skin samples. Her face was left with a pink fleshy scoop= down my left cheek, directly on the cheekbone. A teardrop scar was left on= her cheek. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: G? 25. Location. Bethlehem, Israel Date: March 21 2002 Time: night At the besieged Church of The Nativity several awed witnesses have come forward describing the events of Thursday night. That night, a smell of roses filled the sanctuary as the Daughters of Charity held their evening prayers. =93The sweet scent was soon followed by a high musical humming= sound and a distinct feeling of warmth emanating from the ceiling.=94 Then, the sisters reported, seeing a glowing beam of light gradually forming the likeness of the Blessed Virgin =93like a film coming into focus.=94 Tears= were running down her face, and she uttered a prophetic warning. =93Time is growing short, and the promised Judgment Day is nearly at hand.=94 One week= before the apparition, The Church of the Holy Family was the scene of a ferocious firefight between the Israelis and the Palestinians. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 17 Type: F 26. Location. Not given Date: March 21 2002 Time: 2255 16-year old Steven Mizon saw hovering over a street a large oval shaped craft encircled in bright lights and with several lighted windows around its edge. A figure stared down at him from one of the windows. No other information. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: A 27. Location. Cazalla de la Sierra, Spain Date: March 26 2002 Time: 1500 A pharmaceutical products salesman was returning along a deserted road when= he noticed ahead in the distance and in the middle of the roadway an object= resembling a shiny pear that was resting on three metallic legs. Somewhat perplexed he approached and noticed two individuals standing on a nearby field. These were over 2 meters in height, wore tight fitting white coveralls and helmets resembling that of the early astronauts. He parked his vehicle and approached the two strange figures on foot. One of the men= walked away and entered the shiny pear-shaped craft while the other remained behind. Knowing that these men were =93not from this earth=94 he= still asked the remaining humanoid if he needed any assistance. He felt that as he approached the strange pair he had been in some type of a trance and seemed to have floated over the road. The humanoid answered and appeared genuinely happy as to his offer of assistance but said that everything was= in order. He also added that the area was very beautiful and also added: =93Humans don=92t know what they have. Where we come from we don=92t have= such beautiful scenes, they disappeared a long time ago.=94 The astounded witness= managed to ask the humanoid where he was from and was told that they hailed= from another dimension, a concept that humans have not yet assimilated. The= humanoid smiled as he answered the question. The humanoid then bid goodbye= and walked towards the nearby shiny pear shaped object, he then disappeared= inside of it. The craft then emitted a loud whistling sound and disappeared= at very high speed towards some nearby cliffs. The witness described the humanoids as about 2.50 meters in height, wide chests and heavy set, thin legs. Generally human features, but somewhat =93refined=94 or sharpened features. The suits were very tight fitting made of an apparent synthetic material resembling plastic. Their eyes were very light almost white and their speech was hesitant & accented. Also their movements seemed kind of clumsy. HC addendum Source: J M Garcia, Francisco Padron, Spain Type: B 28. Location. Pringle Lake, Texas Date: March 28 2002 Time: 1100A Mark Hakemack and a friend had taken an airboat out on the NW side of the lake to do a little red fishing. The day was kind of hazy, with broken cloud cover. They had caught several trout and were just chatting when he hooked up a large redfish while playing with the fish, Mark happened to glance upwards and saw a large bird-like creature emerge from a cloudbank.= His friend saw it too, after about 20 to 25 seconds it flew behind cloud cover again. The strange creature was grayish in color and the profile of a= raptor, short neck/head, no legs sticking out behind, and no long tail feathers. Mark could not take his eyes off it. He estimated the wingspan to= have been 10=92 to 14 =91 in overall. It appeared to be soaring on the wind,= although, he did see it give a couple of light =93flaps=94 with its wings.= The witness could only relate this to the legendary =93Thunderbird=94 legend. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com Type: E 29. Location. Sevilla, Spain Date: March 30 2002 Time: late night The witness to the March 26 case was at home with his wife and was getting= ready to sleep when he heard footsteps coming from patio area outside his chalet. Armed with a club, he opened the door and was stunned to see the same two tall heavyset humanoids he had encountered 4 days before. One of the humanoids was kneeling on the ground as if inspecting something on the= soil, the other one upon hearing the door open, turned and quickly assured= the witness not to fear that they were not here to harm him. Stunned, the witness invited the two humanoids in the house for some refreshments (!). These declined the invitation telling that they had to go already. Using the same clumsy movements both humanoids walked towards the rear of the house where the witness noticed the same shiny metallic pear shaped craft on the ground. They entered the object, which quickly left at high speed. The witness=92s wife awakened by the voices was able to see the two= humanoids from a second story window, and described them in the same way. HC addendum Source: Francisco Padron, Jose Manuel Garcia, Spain Type: B 30. Location. Los Cipreses, Chile Date: March 31 2002 Time: noon During a local UFO congress 24 persons in three groups entered a dimensional gateway that appeared by itself over the terrain. It was kind of a dome, a luminous archway measuring four by four meters. The participants lost their materiality without disappearing completely. Upon entering, they met several human-like alien characters with large baldheads= and wearing robes that waited within and received information. According to= sources the contact experience was =93dimensional=94 it was like crossing= into a different reality. The 24 participants were =93all professionals, college= students of high intellectual levels, mostly Chileans,=94 and some were members of Grupo Rama, a New Age association. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 16, quoting Camilo Valdivieto Type: G or= F? 31. Location. Tbilissi Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: night A man entered the local St David church and reported that =93a phantom with= wings=94 had approached him and predicted an earthquake that indeed took place on April 25 2002, devastating areas of central Georgia. HC addendum Source: Pravda Type: E? 32. Location. Near Macon, Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: 2300 Three friends were awakened by loud banging noises and bellowing sounds coming from outside. One of the men ran to the bathroom and looked out the= window to see a figure run by and squat in the nearby bushes. He described= the creature as about 3 ft tall, hairy with what appeared to be horns on its head and hands; he could not see a face. Others in the neighborhood heard the banging noises. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com and direct witness Communication. Type: E 33. Location. Belvedere di Tezze, Italy Date: April 26 2002 Time: evening A 20-year old woman was returning home one night when she noticed some bright lights nearby of an unknown origin. She followed the lights in her car until she stopped near a local pizzeria. She saw the light near the ground and within the lights two tall slender human like figures wearing some type of headgear. Since she was carrying a camera she was able to snap= a quick picture. The figures then vanished. No other information. HC addendum Source: Gruppo Accademico Ufologico Scandicci quoting =93Il giornale di Vicenza=94 Type: E? 34. Location. Barangay, Philippines Date: May 2002 Time: night Several local residents reported seeing a bizarre creature described as an= =93aswang=94 reputed to be a winged vampire type creature, it reportedly had= red glowing eyes, long black hair, and was wearing a white flowing gown. It= was seen perched on top of a bamboo tree. Residents at nearby Roxas reported seeing a similar creature. The police was called but a search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Akasico.com Type: E 35. Location. Alvear, La Pampa Argentina Date: May 3 2002 Time: near midnight Several young men were returning home late at night along a deserted roadway when suddenly out of nowhere a female figure wearing a light flowing gown and with long black hair appeared in front of them. The strange figure was very pale and appeared elderly and repeatedly asked for= assistance from the men in a strange urgent tone. Terrified the men ran from the area and later returned with additional witnesses but they could find no trace of the strange apparition. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E? 36. Location. Taralgon Victoria, Australia Date: May 24 2002 Time: 2355 Walking near the Loy Yang Power station 45-year old Martin Taylor was suddenly blinded by an intense blue light and he felt extremely dizzy. His= next memory was of being in a circular room with a variety of lights and buttons scattered about the walls. He was lying on a large table that seemed to be of a very highly polished metal. He was strapped down and his= shirt had been removed. There were wires attached to his arms, neck and temples. A four ft tall humanoid figure with very large almond shaped eyes,= almost transparent looking skin, ghostly white in appearance examined him.= The figure had three extremely long fingers on each hand and spoke in a strange dialect. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: G 37. Location. Lembang Bandung, Indonesia Date: May 30 2002 Time: 2315 The witness was driving his motorcycle across a highland area when he spotted some flashing lights overhead and then noticed a silvery disc-shaped craft descend low over some nearby graves at a cemetery. The craft had blue and orange flashing lights around its rim. There was no sound as the craft apparently emitted a beam of light towards the ground and levitated what appeared to be some dead bodies onboard the object. (!)= The witness was apparently paralyzed and was unable to move. The craft then= shot away at a 45-degree angle and disappeared from sight. When that happened the witness left the scene. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 38. Location. Houston, Texas Date: late May 2002 Time: afternoon The witness was at the local electric company in order to pay a bill when she decided to use the restrooms. Sitting in the stall she then noticed on= the side of the wall of the stall what appeared to be a face lit up in a dull light. When the witness looked directly at the =93face=94 it vanished.= She described is as having large round eyes no visible nose and a slit-like mouth. (A peeping tom alien?) HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E? 39. Location. General Acha, La Pampa, Argentina Date: early June 2002 Time: various A resident of the Oeste neighborhood informed newspaper sources that a short green-colored dwarf like entity has appeared twice on her property: once in the morning and once in the afternoon. When her husband ran out responding to her screams, the mysterious entity vanished by rapidly climbing up a tree. All versions agree in that the entity is short in stature. Another resident added that it moved so quickly that it was hard to describe it. In the same area mysterious cattle mutilations have also been reported. HC addendum Source: Loren Coleman in UFO Updates Type: E 40. Location. Ojo De Agua, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: afternoon Several passengers onboard two farm micro buses reported seeing a very tall= dark man like figure that appeared to be wearing a tight fitting diver=92s= outfit standing on a nearby field. Nearby numerous mysterious animal mutilations have been reported. The figure was silent and was quickly lost= from sight as the buses moved away. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 41. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: June 2002 Time: night A man and three of his friends reported encountering two bizarre chupacabra= type creatures one stood about 3-4 ft tall, the other looked to be about 6= ft tall. Both had large glowing red eyes and spikes starting from the head= to the back. They scurried away into a wooded area. (They were to have further encounters in August). HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com Type: E 42. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: midnight Irma Rick watched a rotating luminous object descend close to the ground next to a grain silo; it gave off a powerful bluish light through some openings around its circumference. It hovered close to the ground. Through= an opening a strange creature was seen to descend to the ground. It was described as having an elongated semi-transparent white body; it also had an elongated head. She could not see any eyes or legs on the creature as it= stood motionless next to the craft. She observed the creature and object for about 5 minutes until she dropped the flashlight she was carrying. Afraid she left the area and did not see the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: B 43. Location. Antalya, Turkey Date: June 5 2002 Time: afternoon Approximately 45 witnesses claimed they saw an UFO in the Santral district= landing on the backyard of the Fatma Primary School. Several students including Murat Esici age 11 saw an alien emitting red rays from his eyes come out of the object. His hands and feet were metallic. He had a very big= head and was about 1.80 meters in height. Esici temporarily lost her voice= immediately after the sighting. Students Zeynep Cpnar and Nalan Donmez also= claimed they san an unusual craft and an alien beside it. =93His eyes and hands were red and a red light was emitting from his eyes.=94 The children= were overcome with shock after the incident. HC addendum Source: Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center Intl Type: B 44. Location. Polonnauruwa, Sri Lanka Date: June 8 2002 Time: 2200 Approximately 50 to 70 eyewitnesses saw a UFO flying at about 100 meters above ground level. The object was silent and briefly landed emitting a bright flash like light. When it was close to the ground the object emitted= a buzzing sound. Three other witnesses saw three 2 ft tall creatures than when approached ran into the jungle and disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Sources Type: D 45. Location. Polonnaruwa, Sir Lanka Date: June 9 2002 Time: 2012 Two witnesses went to a bath on a nearby river when they heard a loud thundering sound and a UFO appeared. The craft landed nearby and two, 2 ft= tall =93aliens=94 emerged from the object. One of the humanoids flung a= small fluorescent fireball like object that flew over a house and vanished. Soon= the craft and humanoids disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC & News Reports Type: B 46. Location. Trincomalee, Sri Lanka Date: June 10 2002 Time: 1900 Witnesses saw a mysterious light in the sky and others saw a large disc shaped object land nearby. Three humanoids only about 2 ft tall emerged from the craft and disappeared into the forest when approached. The object= also left. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Reports Type: B 47. Location. Chantilly, Virginia Date: June 10 2002 Time: night The witness was awakened during the night with a sense of some presence in= the room. Looking toward the door, he saw, fading quickly, something, which= almost had the appearance of a hologram. Next, shadows appeared outside the= windows in an erratic shape. At first he thought the shadows to be from trees moving in a strong wind. The appearance was of a storm blowing the limbs to create these shadows outside the window. However, there was no storm. He looked at the adjacent window on the side of the house facing opposite and there was no wind at all. In fact there was no trees positioned in such a way to cast a shadow. He opened the blinds to see what= might be causing the shadows. He then saw what seemed to be a hologram with= the shape of two small eyes moving erratically outside the window. Frightened he closed the blinds. Two weeks later he was awakened by a humming sound and again saw the erratic shadows outside the window. He watched the shadows for 10-15 minutes and then called the police. The police found no signs of any intrusion in the yard. When the police left the witness walked toward the door facing the back porch and saw a large burst of bluish white light. It looked unnatural, almost like a laser. He has not seen the =93shadows=94 again. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E? 48. Location. Ataliva Roca, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 11 2002 Time: 1930 A worker at a local drainage project was sitting and guarding some machinery when he noticed a short greenish colored humanoid figure that was= approaching his location from a nearby field. The witness became concerned= and drove away from the area in the construction equipment and did not see= the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 49. Location. Eduardo Castex, La Pampa Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Two girls of a local school encountered a short greenish humanoid figure in= the playing yard. The figure was standing up and appeared to be raising its= arms up to the sky. Terrified the two girls retreated into the school and watched the figure scurry away into some nearby woods. Around the same time= a local farmer found a strangely mutilated hog in his farm. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 50. Location. Chasico, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Hugo Deluca and several other workers were parked in a bus in an isolated area when they spotted about 20 meters away a short, 1.20 meters tall, bipedal figure completely covered in gray hair. It walked upright like a man and then scurried away into some woods vanishing from sight. The area had been hit with animal mutilations around the same time. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 51. Location. Castex, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 13 2002 Time: night A 70-year old man had gone to his driveway to check on a flat tire in his car when a short light green colored humanoid suddenly appeared next to him. It had large round ears, and two reddish luminous eyes. Its body was thin and almost triangular in shape. The witness attempted to yell out but= was suddenly unable to speak and at the same time strange warmth invaded his body. Several seconds later the humanoid vanished and the witness returned to normal. He reported the incident to the police. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 52. Location. La Laguna, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 14 2002 Time: afternoon Several youngster had gone into the fields in order to obtain some firewood= when they saw sitting on a clearing in the woods two human like figures, all dressed in black. They sat facing each other, one looking towards the east the other towards the west, unmoving. Unnerved by the sight the juveniles ran from the area. The next day the father of one of the boys found two dead cows at the site, but could find no trace of the strange pair. Days later a sheep and a horse were found dead and strangely mutilated in the nearby location of El Cardonal. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: E 53. Location. De Kalb, Illinois Date: June 15 2002 Time: 0030A The witness was sitting in his family room watching TV when he noticed a bright flash of light outside the window. He saw the flash several times and decided to check his backyard there he saw a circular light moving around in circles. The light began to get closer; scared he ran inside his= home and called a friend on the phone. He then quickly ran outside and saw= the circle getting closer, he noticed that it had a purplish color to it and it began to descend towards the ground. He became nauseous and dizzy and collapsed on to the ground. He tried to crawl to the house but was unable to move. He turned his head and saw the purplish object on the ground and what appeared to be a door opening up. He then heard a squeaking= noise and saw a tall and a short figure standing by a door of the object. The two figures started to move towards him, walking in a strange bopping fashion. They were of a dark complexion with a bumpy texture, other than that they resembled normal human beings. The shorter figure approached and= picked up the witness=92 camera and stared at it. He then looked at the taller figure and handed it to him. The taller of the two looked at the camera and then at the witness. The witness then heard loud unpleasant shrieks coming from the taller figure, which then gave the camera back to the shorter figure, which covered the camera with his hand, seconds later a= light began to emerge from their hands. Then they stopped, threw the camera= aside and began to walk towards the witness. They reached his side and started to examine his body. A dog began to bark from inside the house and= the shorter figure put out his hand and the dog stopped barking. At this point the witness began to vomit. After about a minute he began to relax and to breathe better. When he turned his head he realized that the two figures and the purple spherical object were now gone. The next day he had= a very severe headache. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: B 54. Location. Manuel Rodriguez, Calama, Chile Date: June 22 2002 Time: after midnight A bizarre creature was spotted at a local housing complex on San Antonio Street. Witnesses reported that it resembled an ape and it jumped all over= the roof. It passed right in front of the witness, Maria Gavia=92s window= and then it came back making all manner of noise. The creature was able to make= very long jumps, unlike any a human could. It jumped and landed on the neighbor=92s roof and then it left the area. Neighborhood dogs acted scared= and began howling. Others described the creature as about 1.5 meters tall,= stocky in build with bright red eyes. It made a lot of noise. Others reportedly chased the creature. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center, quoting El Mercurio de Calama Type: E 55. Location. Angencia Realico, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 23 2002 Time: late night Several hunters returning to a local ranch spotted about 50 meters away two= large glowing reddish eyes staring at them. They turned off their flashlight and approached closer on foot, about 30 meters away they again saw the reddish eyes on a dark creature that appeared to be standing on top= of an apparently dead animal. One of the hunters shone its flashlight on the figure again and saw a figure about 40 cm in height that quickly ran from the area at very high speed. The creature disappeared into the brush.= At the scene, a dead and mutilated young heifer. Other mutilations were reported in the area. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 56. Location. Rancul, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 25 2002 Time: 2020 Two young men, Nestor Pinto and Daniel Gatica were walking on a field when= they encountered a short man-like figure with huge pointy ears and long dangling arms standing near some brush. The figure scurried into the brush= and disappeared and at the same time the two witnesses ran away from the area and did not see the strange dwarf again. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 57. Location. Bavaria, Germany (exact location not given) Date: June 25 2002 Time: night The witness had stayed up late watching the soccer game as was in his bedroom when suddenly there was a coldness around him that made him shiver.= He noticed that his audio capabilities were somehow enhanced and he was able to hear sounds that previously he was unable to hear. He then heard a= noise outside his door and went out to investigate. The noise became louder= as he approached the door. He then heard footsteps and opened the door. A very small man with a somewhat deformed body that was smiling at him confronted the witness. He looked straight ahead and then stared at the witness. His next memory was of waking up in his bed in the morning. HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E 58. Location. Tunkhannock, Wyoming County, Pennsylvania Date: June 26 2002 Time: 2105 The primary witness had stepped out on his back porch when his attention was drawn to two huge black =93birds=94 which were approaching from the= north. His first impression was they were Herons, but soon realized that the color= was wrong, and =93they were huge, much larger than any bird I have ever seen.=94 The two huge birds landed at the top of a very tall coniferous= tree. The witness stated that the wingspan appeared to be wider than the branches, jest below where they had landed. The body size was estimated to= be about six feet from head to tail. The oddest feature was the shape of the wings, which according to the witness appeared to be bat-like. The tree= where the =93birds=94 landed seemed as though it would break from their= weight. The witness yelled for others in the house to come outside to look. Another= family member was able to see the huge black birds as they passed overhead,= and headed for some woods. After checking the size of the branches where the birds had landed, the witness estimated that the wingspan would have been close to 12 feet or somewhat larger. HC addendum Source: Stan Gordon Type: E 59. Location. Adelia Maria, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 3 2002 Time: 2100 Pedro and Estela Moine had decided to visit the business district of town called Barrio Norte and crossed the old railroad yard through a pedestrian= pathway that ran through a pasture area between some silos, old railroad depots and abandoned wreckage. As the couple moved through the premises they suddenly became aware of a strange and incomprehensible conversation between many voices. Startled, they stopped walking moved a few meters more= and then heard the voices again which now sounded like strange =93O=94= sounds. Pedro looked toward the silos and was able to see resembling humanoid but lacking upper and lower extremities. Despite the pleas of his wife, Pedro ran several meters toward an inner alley in the silo plant, being able to make out some 45 meters to the west and in profile---the entity, which acting surprised, avoided the encounter and moved again to the north. However, what filled the witnesses with wonderment was that the creature did so as though flying or floating without touching the facilities it passed. Pedro and Estela ran after it. It was thus that the man managed to= see the entity apparently hiding behind the control room of the truck scale. Pedro ran toward it and was again startled to see the apparition rising as a plane taking off, flying at an altitude of 5 meters and disappearing behind a large metal shed. Bewildered, both witnesses called out, but were unable to see anything else. Pedro Moine as =93a thing with human shape=94 described the apparition. It had some sort of light, although= he could not say if reflected or self-generated, although he tends to believe the latter, since it was a nebulous whitish light, which kept him from making out details. The entire mass of the apparition appeared to be a= body covered from head to toe in some sort of mantle, which he described as= though it wore a hat, but covered with some kind of long raincoat reaching= down to what he took to be its feet. He added that the =93conversational sounds=94 repeated themselves in three separate occasions at various intensities. They were like conversations in a strange language. HC addendum Source: Mario Luis Bracamonte, C.O.R, Rio Cuarto Argentina Type: E 60. Location. Jerusalem, Israel Date: July 6 2002 Time: night A remote TV camera picked up images of =93orbs seen on the corner to the right of the Wailing Wall.=94 They seemed to have facial features almost= like a ghost, reported investigator Charlotte LeFevre. The orbs were described as =93sharp and distinct=94. The orbs were next to the women=92s prayer area= in front of the Wall. Other strange phenomena, has been reported in the area. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 29 Type: F? 61. Location. Villa Elisa, La Pampa, Argentina Date: July 13 2002 Time: 2300 A young woman fainted from nervous shock after having an alleged closed encounter with =93some sort of green dwarf=94. This occurred---enveloped in= darkness---along Misioneros Salesianos Street very close to several houses.= An ambulance was called and apparently transported the witness who was in shock. HC addendum Source: Gloria Coluchi Type: E 62. Location. Patna, India Date: July 21 2002 Time: night Several residents claim they=92ve been bitten or scratched by a =93black monkey-like creature with colored lights flashing from its eyes.=94 Resident= Pawan Kumar Niyogi who was sleeping on the terrace of his house claims =93a= 5 ft tall monkey-like creature=94 attacked him. He said: =93I was terrified= and thought my life was going to end but it merely scratched me on the shoulder= before jumping off the roof.=94 Local residents are conducting night vigils= and carrying torches to guard their homes. HC addendum Source: Ananova, Ufoupdates. Type: E 63. Location. Chajan, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 21 2002 Time: 2300 Police officer Guillermo Arias was on routine patrol through a rural area when he heard over the radio that his colleagues in arms over at Achiras were seeing lights in sectors of said community, and that they were heading= towards Chajan along National Route 8. At the wheel of the police patrol van, he managed to see a formation of 7 lights in the distance and decided= to drive 10 km along a rural dirt road. When he had covered said distance,= he noticed, not without surprise, that the engine of his vehicle sputtered= and died, causing the police car to strike the edge of a guardrail. Simultaneously, the lights on the van=92s dashboard began turning on and off= randomly, the police radio went haywire and its dial displayed the random shifting of the frequencies while the cabin became filled with an acrid odor, as though of burnt wiring, and the interior lights and stop indicator, which were broken, began lighting on and off. Seized by fear, Arias leaped from the van and walked away a few meters down the road, losing his cellular phone in the escape. The darkness was total, when suddenly, amid the confusing situation; an immense light emerged from a field adjacent to the road as a triangular object rose majestically into the air. Now Arias condition went from fear to abject terror as he saw what= he described as a real =93floating city=94 some 200 meters long with a long= row of windows (perhaps as many as 100). Arias claims having seen something move behind them, describing the movement as =93TV sets which make lines and= shadows=94, which he defined as =93non-human=94, and that many beams of= light came out of the giant triangle, aimed at the ground. The event lasted 2-3 seconds, but to Arias it felt like an eternity. The object suddenly rose and sped away, vanishing behind the hills of a local field. As the object moved away, the whole area was lit up like daytime and there was an afterglow that lasted another 20 minutes. HC addendum Source: C.O.R., Circulo Ovnilogico Riocuartense, Argentina Type: A 64. Location. Waconia, Minnesota Date: July 26 2002 Time: 0300A The young witness was sleeping in the backyard with his sister when he suddenly woke up. He then noticed that the side of the tent that faced the= wetlands and lake was lit up. Looking towards the light he saw a shadowy torso and arm of a humanoid figure that seemed to be moving around within the light. He watched for 30 seconds and saw the figure move the fingers of= his hands. The witness became frightened and hid in his sleeping bag. He came out about an hour later and the light and strange figure were completely gone. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 65. Location. Sedona, Arizona Date: July 28 2002 Time: 0310A In a wooded area the witness saw what appeared to be a figure glowing all white, with black =93straight=94 eyes; and black diagonal/diamond strip of= =93clothing=94 on top. He stood staring at the figure for 20 seconds and= then left. Prior to seeing the figure the witness had seen lights in a large oval shaped pattern in the sky. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 66. Location. Tahmoor, Queensland, Australia Date: July 28 2002 Time: 1730 Three girls had decided to visit the rooftop as they did the prior evening= watching for satellites. It was dusk and the girls had a good vantage point= looking towards the east. With them they had a pair of binoculars and a pair of walkie-talkies. The girls noticed that a large orange light appeared approximately 15 degrees above the eastern horizon. The anomaly was noted to have fluctuated in colors of orange, yellow, white and pale blue. At fist they thought of an arriving airplane, but then a second light= appeared approximately 50 degrees south of the first anomaly, and about 10= degrees above the horizon. This much smaller anomaly began to perform some= unusually maneuvering; from a stationary position it accelerated at least 5= degrees closer to the ground surface at an approximate 45-60 degree angle within a matter of a single second. The first anomaly then began to move slowly towards the north. At this stage they partially lost view of it as it moved behind a tree. Then a third anomaly appeared in a valley-like region of the horizon. According to the witnesses, this third object appeared to have =93landed=94 on the ground surface. The object was then= viewed through the binoculars and presented in great detail; the object was described as a gray saucer with interchanging colors of green, red/orange,= blue/purple and white rotating around the rim. Thy also noted the trees being slightly illuminated by this extraordinary phenomenon. They were suddenly distracted by someone on their walkie-talkie saying, =93Identify yourself.=94 This was followed by some unusual voices communicating in a foreign language. Around 1830 the girls were then called down to have dinner. At about 2030 the girls re-established their places on the roof after dinner. To their surprise, the third ground-based object was still present. Unexpectedly a yellow beam of light ascended a few meters above the object and suddenly deviated its course towards the three girls. =93It= was like an orange, yellowy bright light shining on us from far away.=94 The= light shone on them for a period of about half a minute. At this point, it= is not clear how one of the girls ended up on the ground. She became extremely hysterical and ran inside. The other two girls quickly followed her. That evening all three girls had stomach pains. One of them could not= sleep and did not go to school the next day. Another of the girls woke up the next morning with her nose bleeding. She also mentioned that she had seen a strange small human like figure in her bedroom. HC addendum Source: The Australian UFO Research Network Type: D or F? 67. Location. Punta Alta, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 29 2002 Time: early morning Local residents have seen a strange figure, which they described as resembling a =93shroud=94. The apparitions, which always occur in the early= morning hours, have become so common that in recent days several neighbors= have stayed up late to see them, and it is thus that they were able to confirm the simultaneous presence of up to 2 such beings, as well as red lights flying over the area. All the witnesses whether individuals or in a= group, agree that the entities are nebulous and glowing, with a pair of red= eyes being clearly identifiable, and glassy faces (as if transparent). Their movements are smooth and they always appear from behind the sand dunes, as though =93coming form the Naval Base.=94 Most witnesses agree that= they show a great interest in the water tanks located above the roofs, and= that they do not flee upon detecting the presence of local residents---rather, they stare at them fixedly for some minutes. Deep silence is perceived during the observations and =93the air appears to= become still=94 and neither heat nor cold can be felt---only a sensation of warmth,= as if the beings emanated heat. Witnesses also state that things appear to= be darker when =93the shroud=94 appears, as though ambient lighting were dimmed. Another curious fact is the large number of cats and dogs who report to the place where the sightings occur and sit down to observe it in= silence, in a state resembling a trance. A series of semi-circular prints have been found in the dunes, not very deep, with 15-20 cm separations in some cases and 30-50 cm in others. The locals have identified them as the strange being=92s footprints. Efforts have been made to photograph the =93shroud=94, but all images, despite the use of different cameras appear exposed. One witness who approached the site to witness the phenomenon took= two photos of the prints in the afternoon and decided to stay with the group of people hoping to see the =93shroud=94, managing to take some photos= of same and record the new prints which appeared in the dunes after the sighting. A completely uncommon print was found at the site---but the residents aren=92t sure if it=92s related to the phenomenon: it has the= shape of a five-fingered claw. One witness tried to make use of his carbine=92s telescopic sight to see the figure in greater detail, but =93when he tried= to focus on it, he could see nothing=85it was a though it could only be seen with the unaided eye.=94 HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, IHU, Christian Quintero and O A Mario Proyecto Condor Type: C or E? 68. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 30 2002 Time: 0530A 27-year old Mariela Baigorri reported seeing a strange figure that floated= in front of her house. She had woken up early that morning and was getting= ready to mount her bicycle when she saw behind the fence something floating= in mid-air. It appeared to be a figure wearing a flowing white transparent= tunic, with bright red eyes and undefined facial features. Feeling no fear= she decided to approach it. She felt as if the figure waited for her and was observing her. At this point Mariela felt some fear and began reciting= the Lord=92s Prayer. The figure suddenly moved back and disappeared in plain= sight. HC addendum Source: Juan Carlos Corrales Morey, Vision Ovni, Argentina Type: E 69. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 31 2002 Time: 1845 23-year old Julian Pereyra was in his vehicle when he observed two red spheres flying slowly over some nearby woods, they seemed to descend and disappear behind the trees. 15 minutes later, Pereyra, accompanied by several other witnesses approached the area and observed what they described a tall floating figure wearing a white glowing cape like outfit,= it seemed to glide silently over a field. It had what appeared to be a visor at face level and two beams of red light emerged from where the eyes= would have been. The witnesses watched the strange figure glide over the fields for about 30 minutes. Curiously numerous local dogs and cats approached and also watched the figure in fascination. The lights and figure disappeared into the distance. In another occasion Pereyra and some= of his family members encountered the strange humanoid and felt a strange sensation as if the wind had suddenly stopped, they felt as they were inside a vacuum or =93bubble.=94 Strange tracks have been reportedly found= in the area also. HC addendum Source: Diario La Nueva Provincia, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Type: C? 70. Location. La Cienaga, Pocri, Panama Date: early August 2002 Time: night Luis Alfredo Diaz reported hearing loud noises coming from the terraced patio where the kitchen was located, going to investigate he found his cat= apparently dead with two obvious holes on the neck and some blood on the floor. Before finding the cat he had called his wife, Maria de Los Santos Barrios. As his wife stood in front of him a panic stricken look came over= her face, turning around he was confronted by a bizarre 1-meter tall humanoid that had jumped to the center of the patio. The creature was described as thin, covered with dark hair, with large pointed ears that almost covered its face, it had very large eyes and extremely strong hind legs resembling that of a kangaroo. Terrified he ran to his son=92s bedroom= and carried him outside yelling for his neighbors. A search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Panamanian Paranormal Forum Type: E 71. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: August 1 2002 Time: late evening 64-year old Raul Dorado was touring some fields when he heard a loud sound= on two occasions, like a whirlwind, which drew his attention. The third time he saw something he describes as a green circle with three legs hovering over him. At that moment Dorado fell to the ground, and according= to his story, he carried a shotgun, binoculars and a cellular phone, the latter, which was taken from his hand, and he could clearly see being sucked into the object, which was apparently at low altitude. His next recollection was seeing the object disappear toward the east. Dorado remained at the location for an hour before being able to rise and walk back to his car, returning to town in a state of shock. He had to be hospitalized. Later when calls were placed to the (abducted) cellular phone= someone would pick up and heavy breathing could be heard. Later on the phone was apparently disconnected. HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, quoting Diario La Arena, La Pampa Type:= G? 72. Location. Montour Ridge, Northumberland, Pennsylvania Date: August 2 2002 Time: 1730 A man named Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for pre-season deer. He= told his wife that he would be home by noon. He rode his 4-wheeler up the power line behind his home. He never returned. A search party composed of local police, state police and volunteers searched for Sees. The 4-wheeler= was found on the top of the mountain near a power-line. Tracking dogs could= find nothing to go on around the 4-wheeler. The search went on for 2 days and over 6 miles of mountain was covered from top to bottom. Then, in the evening of the 2nd day, his body was found in a hard to reach wooded area.= He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated---not bloated. He was pale and had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain he was fully dressed, boots, camo-vest, hat, socks, pants. 3 people, on one= farm, said they saw a large round bright object just above the power-lines= at the time of the disappearance. It was silent, it did not move for about= 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up and suddenly stopped. A light shone down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up,= hesitated again, and then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight. More specifically a farmer saw an object above Montour Ridge at the= power lines, on top of the mountain, it was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hundred feet to the east, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shone to the ground. What was= seen next was very unnerving, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in= the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly= in the light. What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later it started shuddering, then went west very fast,= stopped briefly, and then went straight up and out of sight. Also three fishermen saw the craft. The FBI is supposedly also investigating. HC addendum Source: Rense, UFO updates, NUFORC Type: G? 73. Location. Florida, exact location not given Date: August 7 2002 Time: 0503A The witness was in his room when he heard a sound out in his backyard. He went out to see and there was nothing to see. When he came back to his room, there was a figure standing outside of his window, the figure was shadowy and it resembled a =93typical=94 gray alien. He ran outside armed= with his pellet gun and as he opened the door he saw it disappearing into the woods in front of the house. It was gray in color, hairless and the head was slightly larger than normal. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 74. Location. Mt.Ciosek, Poland Date: August 11 2002 Time: 1500 Researcher Robert Lesniakiewicz was out in a wooded area looking for mushrooms when suddenly he felt an unusual quiet in the area, the birds seemed to stop singing and the insects had stopped chirping. Almost simultaneously he heard a whistle coming from somewhere in front of him that was initially high-pitched and then declined in volume. He noticed an= =93invisible=94 something or somebody that seemed to be parting some tree branches just about 30 meters from his location. Seconds later he heard a second identical whistle, this time coming from behind him. Lesniakiewicz had the distinct impression that someone invisible was stalking him and trying to surround him. He could feel whistles and movement all around him= but could not see anything physical. After a few terrifying minutes everything suddenly returned to normal, with the familiar bird and insect sounds now back in focus. He searched around but could not find any logical= explanation as to what had occurred. (Brings to mind the attack on a woman= by invisible =93aliens=94 in the Lorie Valley, France back in 1950). HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Robert Lesniakiewicz) Type:= F? 75. Location. Fuerte Alto, Argentina Date: August 13 2002 Time: night Hearing a loud ruckus coming from the goat pen, 14-year Ariel Gonzalez summoned his guard dogs and went to investigate. As he approached the pen the dogs refused to go any further and began to emit an unearthly howl. Climbing on top of a small hill he looked inside the pen and was horrified= to see a bizarre creature that had climbed on top of a goat. He described it as a short hairy humanoid with large glowing red eyes and shiny white sharp fangs protruding out of its mouth. The creature jumped down from the= moribund goat and disappeared into some nearby woods. Several of the animals were found dead and bloodless and mysterious three toed footprints= were found on the ground. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 76. Location. Ilha De Colares, Amazonia, Brazil Date: August 15 2002 Time: night Two men were reportedly attacked in a wooded area by a short powerfully built creature covered with black hair and with glowing red eyes. It had three sharp =93talons=94 that injured both men, one of them critically. No= other information. HC addendum Source: Daniel Rebisso & Carlos Alberto Machado Type: E 77. Location. Detroit, Michigan Date: August 19 2002 Time: 0600A During a stormy morning the witness was driving to work when a flash of light made him look up over the nearby Fisher building about 50 stories up.= The building has a big red ball lit up on top. Around it he saw several huge winged figures, to big to be birds. It appeared they were startled from the lighting as they flew in a boomerang type formation. They were surrounded by a yellow glow at first and then a red glow as they drifted southeast. They had appeared to take off from the top of the building. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 78. Location. Wolfsgraben, Austria Date: August 19 2002 Time: morning The witness was out in the morning to collect mushrooms near the small village when he suddenly saw a big swarm of very large birds, containing more than 100 specimens. One of the =93birds=94 left the group and sailed= down to circle the witness for about five minutes or so. He described the strange bird, as having a long and baldhead with a long beak, and something= prolonging the head stuck out form its hind skull. It really looked more like a pterodactyl than a bird. The only difference was that it was covered= with feathers. It had the body of a penguin and a long neck, also short legs. It had a white breast and belly, while the rest of its body was totally black. Its wingspan was at least that of 7 ft. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 35 Type: E 79. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: August 24 2002 Time: night A bizarre creature that jumped out of a bush reportedly attacked a man walking along a path. It had a tongue like a lance that apparently was able= to suck blood. It shot a mysterious liquid like substance at the witness. The witness managed to get away. Another man saw a dark figure running from= a fence and hide behind a truck tire. It appeared to have strong hind legs= and small hands raised up at chest level. According to one of the witnesses= he attempted to chase a couple of the creatures but seemingly disappeared into the ground. HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com, Direct communications From witness. Type: E
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Hutchison Effect - Morris From: Neil Morris <neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:40:33 +0100 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:22:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect - Morris >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:07:57 +0100 >Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect >Sorry, message bounced back: "address failed" >Anyone got any other ideas? John, You might try to contact him via the folks at this site: http://www.funet.fi/pub/sci/physics/effects/Hutchison/ It seems a _lot_ more up to date than most others. Neil
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases From: Albert Rosales <Garuda79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:40:34 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:24:41 -0400 Subject: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases Greetings all Bon jour Saludos Abracos! And remember, there are none so blind than those who _will_ not see. Albert ----- 2002 Humanoid Reports. It appears to be a slow start for this year with only one recorded case, again from Chile. We will see what develops later on the year. 2001 was pretty busy but it was a decline from 2000. Maybe we will see another down= trend again, later to pick up again in the near future. This seems to be the ever-ongoing trend of the phenomena. Will it always stay the same? Time= will tell. Following is a list of known 2002 humanoid cases. 1. Location. Calama, Chile Date: January 2002 Time: 0300A An employee at the local Minera Escondida was on his way to the storage freezer in order to pick up some supplies when an unknown creature jumped him from behind. He could only describe it as hairy and dark. He was left with deep scratches and in a state of shock. Terrified he ran away and bumped into two other employees who were able to see a shadowy creature in= the dark. HC addendum Source: La Estrella del Loa de Calama, Chile Type: E 2. Location. Fort McMurry, Alberta, Canada Date: January 2 2002 Time: 2032 Two men were parked on an isolated dirt road when they spotted a large cone-shaped object descend and hover. One of the men exited the car and he= vanished in plain sight of the other, the craft then also disappeared. The= other man tried to drive away to get help but the car would not start and it was to cold to walk. He soon went to sleep and woke up later to find his= friend sleeping next to him. Later they drove back to town. His friend does= not remember what happened during those two hours of missing time. No other= information. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 3. Location. Paso Lovera, Corrientes, Argentina Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2030 Gabriela Lencinas, 15-year old and a 19-year old friend were returning home= on a bicycle when they spotted a large cloud like object descend from the sky and from it a giant figure emerge. The witnesses stopped their bicycles= to see a car approach the giant figure, stop, the driver exit the car and then re-entering the vehicle and driving quickly away. The figure then rose= up into the cloud and disappeared. The girls reported that the giant human-like figure had its hair standing up on his head and was extending its arms towards the witnesses that quickly rode their bicycles home. Other= in the area reported seeing bright lights that same night. HC addendum Source: Pablo Omastott Type: B? 4. Location. Villa San Rafael, Chile Date: January 12 2002 Time: 2345 Two young teenagers, Jean F and Nelson C, where at home at night when Jean= noticed that his pet snake had escaped from its cage. Both boys began looking for it outside among the rubble of the parcel. They recalled how half an hour before, their two dogs strangely began to howl and cry; however, it did not seem to be important at that point in time. They searched for the pet snake together when suddenly, about 30 meters from where they stood; they saw what appeared to be a stray dog. They threw rocks at to avoid an attack. However, to their surprise, the animal stood there, motionless and fearless; it did not get scared nor it ran away as ordinary dogs normally do. Shortly, the strange animal began to move towards them. The movements it made as it walked were very strange. It used= two legs at a time. It made very small sand short leaps like a rabbit. Suddenly, it stopped and it stood up on two legs. The teenagers then began= to feel some kind of energy. =93It was like an electrical shock in the stomach,=94 they said. It later walked again making a loud dragging noise,= making small leaps and only moving one of its legs. They noticed the weird= shape of the animal. =93It was like a rugby football with legs,=94 one of= them said. Jean began to feel frightened and started to move away from animal. On the other hand, Nelson felt a strange need to get closer to the creature; he got to within 2 meters away from it. The creature appear to emit a strange luminosity that apparently, was bright enough to lit a small= area around the creature in spite of the nighttime darkness. Nelson was mesmerized as he stared at the strange creature. He described it as having= a head like a large dog with a flat nose like a bulldog. Its eyes were slanted and pale-red in color, which could only be seen when the creature turned its head from side to side like a lizard. At that moment, Nelson heard a voice in his head saying, =93Don=92t stare, and just run away.=94= They provided further description, describing the ears as flat, round and large.= Its arms were short, it had elbows, and the hands had three fingers. It had= hair like the one on a wild pig. Its legs were like the ones of a goat. The= feet had also three fingers and a membrane like ducks, but somewhat shorter. On its curved back, they were able to notice a spinal section covered with amounts of even thicker hair. Most of the hair of the animal was gray, but the tail had a white tip. Nelson finally fled, terrified, from the area. He also described how he felt an inexplicable bone-chilling= cold sensation. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center Type: E 5. Location. Chihuahua, Mexico Date: January 29 2002 Time: night Several days before seeing a UFO the witness remembered being in a dream-like state in which he felt very calm and saw numerous disc shaped objects, orange-red in color. A human like figure was talking to him about= the objects and their propulsion. The UFO he saw was of an orange color and= he felt a sort of ecstasy when he observed the craft. Several of his neighbors also saw the object. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G or F? 6. Location. Near Palmyra, Wisconsin Date: February 2002 Time: 0200A Two men reported seeing a creature that resembled a bipedal =93gigantic= wolf=94 walking down a road west of the city. They said the creature was at least 7= ft tall with a wolf-like head. No other information. HC addendum Source: Linda Godfrey Type: E 7. Location. West Garo Hills, Meghalaya, India Date: February 2002 Time: afternoon Nebilson Sangma reported encountering a scary furry creature on a hunting trip in the jungles. He reportedly took a video of the creature=92s nesting= place. According to Sangma, the creature walked erect like a human, had built a house like nesting place, and would emerge from it frequently to feast on a banana grove. Sangma and his brother observed the gigantic creature for three consecutive days from afar. Officials and villagers have= been hunting for the creature in the forest but it seems to have disappeared as furtively as it appeared. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 13 Type: E 8. Location. Rosario de la Frontera, Salta, Argentina Date: February 2002 Time: night A strange creature called by locals =93El Pestizo=94 has attacked several= lone pedestrians in the middle of the night. It is described as a dark man shaped shadowy being. A boy riding his bicycle on the way to visit some friends was toppled from his bicycle and found a black shadowy figure facing him. The young man managed to upholster his shotgun and fire two shots. But, when he saw that they had no effect, he promptly drew his knife= and stabbed the figure without any apparent harm. Frightened the youth tried to escape but the creature knocked him down without saying a word and= began dragging him by the hair to the side of the road. At this point the young man began to scream. A local man, who rushed to provide assistance, only to find a black shadow dragging the boy by the hair, heard his cries.= The fearful shape disappeared without a trace after it became aware of the= other man=92s presence. Six other locals have reported being attacked by a= similar being and received wounds. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 9. Location. Not given Date: February 2002 Time: early morning The witness was alone at home and was preparing his breakfast when suddenly= he heard a window break; he went to see what had happened. Grabbing a golf= club he peeked inside the room where the window broke. He was stunned to see a strange creature climbing on his bed. It appeared to be hurt, because= it seemed that it could not move well. Gripping the golf club he went a step nearer and the creature hissed horribly. It shrieked in an unworldly manner. Terrified the witness did not move. The creature was small, about the size of a large rabbit, and it was dark in color and had reddish eyes.= It had wings and a spine of quills on its back, and had a semi reptilian face. It appeared to have hair and small legs. The witness raised the golf= club and the creature hissed again showing its large yellowish teeth, which= appeared to be sharp, like those of a crocodile. It suddenly hopped out of= the window and rapidly hopped across the street into the oak trees. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June archive Type: E 10. Location. Vigevano, Italy Date: February 2002 Time: 0100A In the outskirts of this city a witness observed from his vehicle a luminous humanoid entity walking along a roadway. It scurried away into the= darkness when approached. No other information. HC addendum Source: CISU, Italy Type: E 11. Location. Corguinho, Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil Date: February 5 2002 Time: night During a localized UFO flap several witnesses reported seeing a strange creature described as about 1.3 meters in height, having two legs, with a physique like a human but who moved with a strange fluctuating motion. The= creature was seen five times by twenty people in the rural zone around Corguinho. In Rochedo, 6 miles south of Corguinho five Cebu cattle were found dead with a single incision on the side of the throat. The bodies had= been drained of blood. (Is there a connection?). HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 9 Type: E 12. Location. Mount Podbrdo, Bosnia Hercigovina Date: February 11 2002 Time: morning Contactee and stigmatic Giorgio Bongiovanni was visiting the shrine on top= of the mountain and was praying silently to the Virgin when, to his astonishment, a glowing luminous female figure appeared and touched his forehead with her fingertips. His stigmata scar vanished instantly. The female figure told him to return to Italy and make known what had happened. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 14 Type: E or F? 13. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: February 11 2002 Time: evening 73-year-old Maria Rufina Cayo, a local shepherd was walking back home with= her dogs and the cattle. Suddenly at one point, something spooked the animals, and these began to stampede. Looking around she spotted a bizarre= creature standing about 12 meters away. She described it as a humanoid, half animal, half human, about 1.70m in height, with bright red eyes, sharp= protruding fangs, and hands and feet that ended in sharp claws. The creature looked at the witness three times then it scrambled away using quick jumping motions with is powerfully built hind legs, she also noticed= large pointy ears. Alerted by the shouts of Maria, two men, Santos Jaimes,= and Ruben Colque ran out to investigate with their dogs. Suddenly the dogs= stopped and began making pitiful howling noises, they refused to move any further. The men heard noises behind some nearby bushes and went to investigate and spotted a bizarre creature that stood staring at them with= huge reddish eyes. It then moved quickly away in the direction of Cerro Negro and disappeared from sight. The witnesses noticed very sharp claws on= the creature=92s feet with a very sharp claw that appeared to be pointed backwards. Strange footprints were found the next day. HC addendum Source: El Tribuno, Salta Argentina March 27 2002 Type: E 14. Location. Khanpur, Ahmedabad, India Date: February 20 2002 Time: after midnight Several local residents reportedly have encountered a person, dressed in black and wearing a mask. Dubbed the =93Monkeyman=94 whom they described as= between 25 and 20 years of age, dark skinned and having curly hair can reportedly be seen hopping from roof to roof and also on to trees. Two local youths chased it and the figure reportedly disappeared in plain sight. The two youths have been behaving abnormally since then. The stranger was also chased along the riverbed near the Cama Hotel and it also= suddenly disappeared. Others have heard the stranger running on the rooftops. Abdul Hamid another youngster of the local slums described the figure as a tall lean man that carries a sharp weapon. =93I saw him from the= back. He had a sword in his hand and when I raised the alarm, he jumped to= another roof and then on to a tree.=94 Police have searched for the stranger= but nothing has been found. HC addendum Source: Fortean Times, India Express Type: E 15. Location. Prague, Czech Republic Date: February 23 2002 Time: night Blanka Slemendova was in her apartment when she saw a =93ship=94 hovering= over some nearby woods. It was shining red, white and yellow lights. She then heard telepathic communication coming from the object telling her to go and= meet them at an unspecified location. Looking over to her bedroom wall she= saw what appeared to be a projection of human like faces looking at her. Later that night she saw luminous figures in her room and a floating red light also in her room. The next night she saw what appeared to be 2 gray suns and around them a golden lights with numerous groups of shiny human-like figures floating about. She interpreted these as being angels. HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Slemendova) Type: C &= F? 16. Location. Wycliffe Well Roadhouse, Northern Territory Australia Date: early March 2002 Time: evening While workers in the area watched unusual lights in the sky an aboriginal woman encountered a triangular sort of object in a paddock and all of the sudden she saw three silvery clad human like figures that began to move toward her vehicle. She turned the vehicle around and took off. HC addendum Source: Lou Farcus ABC On-line Type: C 17. Location. Near Canberra Australia Date: March 2002 Time: 1700 Several friends were taking a trip to the coast and it was already very dark. They had already entered a tropical forest area and there was a mist= rolling along the ground. As they turned around they saw something squatting in the middle of the road. It stared at them, and just as they thought they were going to hit it, it leaped off the road and into the trees. It leaped about 10 meters in the air. The creature was definitely human looking although it wore strange clothes. It was dressed in a green robe of some kind with little pieces of gold on it, and it was either wearing a head crest or it had a row of spikes running from its forehead to= the top of its neck. Very frightened the witnesses drove out of the forest= and at the same time the mist turned to a thick fog. They pulled over and decided to wait until the fog had cleared, although none of them were too happy about it. As they sat around and waited they suddenly heard a shriek.= It sounded like some sort of wild animal and they turned the car on so the= headlights would scare it away. The headlights revealed the same creature they had seen earlier. It hid its face from the light and shrieked. Right before the witnesses=92 eyes, the creature seemed to evaporate into the fog.= Within five minutes the fog had gone and the normal rolling mist was back.= The witnesses quickly left the area and drove towards the coast. HC addendum Source: Paranormal About.com, June Archive Type: E 18. Location. Guanica Puerto Rico Date: March 1 2002 Time: 2345 Reinaldo Rios (involved in other encounters) was in his bedroom that night= when a large white light suddenly appeared. It flew around the room several= times and then hovered. He heard voices coming from the light, which communicated with him. The voice said: =93I am your real father.=94 Soon the= light transformed itself into a figure resembling that of a little boy it then vanished in plain sight. HC addendum Source: UFOs over America.com Type: E 19. Location. Rotterdam, The Netherlands Date: March 2 2002 Time: 0800A The witness and his wife were in bed that Saturday morning talking when their 5-year-old daughter came into the bedroom with her baby brother, whose cot is placed under their bedroom window. They heard a strange noise= and some green light came into the window. Their daughter looked out the window and reported seeing a =93flying car=94 with four spinning green= lights on top. She saw two windows in the vehicle and saw two dark brown faces looking out. His wife saw the craft flying past through the curtains. That= same morning, in a large tree near the witness house a strange structure was found. The branches were arranged in a rectangular pen shape, vertical,= each approximately 30 to 40 cm long. They found a few smaller sticks scaling down in size from the structure. A piece of concrete slab was found= propped up on one corner. The witnesses had never seen this strange structure before and think is some kind of message left by the visitors. (Some kind of bizarre crop circle?). A few nights before they had heard strange noises coming from the kitchen area. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: A 20. Location. Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Date: March 3 2002 Time: morning Helen Diskin went for a walk in the countryside talking snap shots along the way with her digital camera. Returning home she loaded these into her computer and was intrigued by an odd-looking image. It looked like a luminous figure in an area of no sunlight, skulking amongst the trees. She= returned to the site of the photo twice afterward and could find no explanation for the figure. The figure resembled a small helmeted figure that she had not seen when she took the picture of an area of the woods she= had thought of as =93mysterious.=94 HC addendum Source: Helen Diskin, UFO Magazine Vol. 22 # 1 Type: E? 21. Location. Near Trenton New Jersey Date: March 4 2002 Time: night Several witnesses were camping outside of town and late at night one of them was attempting to put out the bonfire when he heard the most awful and= horrifying scream. It resembled that of an injured dog crossed with a scream of a woman. The witness dropped the flashlight and was joined by another witness. Suddenly out of the woods a hideous and grueling creature= appeared. It did not look human, somewhat satyr-like in appearance and walked on two legs. It had a long tail like a dragon and wings like those unicorns in fantasy books. The beast took several steps towards the witnesses and one of them picked up and asked and yelled at it and then shone his flashlight at it. The creature then turned towards the bushes and= ran away from the area. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: E 22. Location. Calama, Chile Date: March 16 2002 Time: 2215 Mirna, was watching television alone in her room when she began hearing noises coming from outside, at first she thought it was her dogs playing around with some empty cans. But the noises kept getting louder and louder= and she decided to go outside to investigate. Once outside she was stunned= to see some type creature that had somehow entered the rabbit cage and was= attacking the animals that were making loud unearthly screams. Thinking at= first that it was one of the dogs she approached the case but realized that= it was a gray colored hairy hunched over creature, that was moving quickly= inside the cage. She stepped back and could not understand how the creature= had entered the cage, since there wasn=92t any apparent hole or aperture visible anywhere and the door was firmly closed. Afraid she ran inside her= home and notified her son, both then ran out but the creature had mysteriously disappeared. Unnerved, they could not understand how they creature had escaped since the door to the rabbit caged was still firmly locked. Later they could only find a small round hole in the wire only several centimeters in width, not large enough for a creature estimated to= have been about 70 to 80 cm in height. Several of the rabbits were found injured and one was dead. HC addendum Source: Calama UFO Center Type: E 23. Location. Payogasta, Argentina Date: March 19 2002 Time: 2000 Young Elizabeth Lera reported seeing a short humanoid with =93dark eyes=94= looking into the building compound from behind a wire fence. It appeared not to have any other facial features and was wearing dark clothing; it wore some type of head covering, which was hard to see because of the darkness. She could only see a pair of large dark eyes on his face that appeared to shine in the darkness. Some more children now arrived and observed as the humanoid move several steps towards them. Another witness,= Rene Mamani saw the humanoid run and hide behind some bushes. It seemed to= move at very high speed in an unnatural fashion. It seemed to have remained= suspended in mid-air for a few seconds. It then seemed to fly through the air and disappeared into some nearby woods. Other students at the school reportedly saw it again on the night of the 20th. HC addendum Source: Patricio Parente, Gaceta Ovni Type: E 24. Location. Woodburn, Oregon Date: March 21 2002 Time: 0300A The witness was sleeping when she woke up suddenly feeling paralyzed. The witness was completely unable to move or speak. Her next memory was of a strange sensation on her left cheek, which hurt a lot. Unseen =93beings=94= were apparently taking skin samples. Her face was left with a pink fleshy scoop= down my left cheek, directly on the cheekbone. A teardrop scar was left on= her cheek. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: G? 25. Location. Bethlehem, Israel Date: March 21 2002 Time: night At the besieged Church of The Nativity several awed witnesses have come forward describing the events of Thursday night. That night, a smell of roses filled the sanctuary as the Daughters of Charity held their evening prayers. =93The sweet scent was soon followed by a high musical humming= sound and a distinct feeling of warmth emanating from the ceiling.=94 Then, the sisters reported, seeing a glowing beam of light gradually forming the likeness of the Blessed Virgin =93like a film coming into focus.=94 Tears= were running down her face, and she uttered a prophetic warning. =93Time is growing short, and the promised Judgment Day is nearly at hand.=94 One week= before the apparition, The Church of the Holy Family was the scene of a ferocious firefight between the Israelis and the Palestinians. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 17 Type: F 26. Location. Not given Date: March 21 2002 Time: 2255 16-year old Steven Mizon saw hovering over a street a large oval shaped craft encircled in bright lights and with several lighted windows around its edge. A figure stared down at him from one of the windows. No other information. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: A 27. Location. Cazalla de la Sierra, Spain Date: March 26 2002 Time: 1500 A pharmaceutical products salesman was returning along a deserted road when= he noticed ahead in the distance and in the middle of the roadway an object= resembling a shiny pear that was resting on three metallic legs. Somewhat perplexed he approached and noticed two individuals standing on a nearby field. These were over 2 meters in height, wore tight fitting white coveralls and helmets resembling that of the early astronauts. He parked his vehicle and approached the two strange figures on foot. One of the men= walked away and entered the shiny pear-shaped craft while the other remained behind. Knowing that these men were =93not from this earth=94 he= still asked the remaining humanoid if he needed any assistance. He felt that as he approached the strange pair he had been in some type of a trance and seemed to have floated over the road. The humanoid answered and appeared genuinely happy as to his offer of assistance but said that everything was= in order. He also added that the area was very beautiful and also added: =93Humans don=92t know what they have. Where we come from we don=92t have= such beautiful scenes, they disappeared a long time ago.=94 The astounded witness= managed to ask the humanoid where he was from and was told that they hailed= from another dimension, a concept that humans have not yet assimilated. The= humanoid smiled as he answered the question. The humanoid then bid goodbye= and walked towards the nearby shiny pear shaped object, he then disappeared= inside of it. The craft then emitted a loud whistling sound and disappeared= at very high speed towards some nearby cliffs. The witness described the humanoids as about 2.50 meters in height, wide chests and heavy set, thin legs. Generally human features, but somewhat =93refined=94 or sharpened features. The suits were very tight fitting made of an apparent synthetic material resembling plastic. Their eyes were very light almost white and their speech was hesitant & accented. Also their movements seemed kind of clumsy. HC addendum Source: J M Garcia, Francisco Padron, Spain Type: B 28. Location. Pringle Lake, Texas Date: March 28 2002 Time: 1100A Mark Hakemack and a friend had taken an airboat out on the NW side of the lake to do a little red fishing. The day was kind of hazy, with broken cloud cover. They had caught several trout and were just chatting when he hooked up a large redfish while playing with the fish, Mark happened to glance upwards and saw a large bird-like creature emerge from a cloudbank.= His friend saw it too, after about 20 to 25 seconds it flew behind cloud cover again. The strange creature was grayish in color and the profile of a= raptor, short neck/head, no legs sticking out behind, and no long tail feathers. Mark could not take his eyes off it. He estimated the wingspan to= have been 10=92 to 14 =91 in overall. It appeared to be soaring on the wind,= although, he did see it give a couple of light =93flaps=94 with its wings.= The witness could only relate this to the legendary =93Thunderbird=94 legend. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com Type: E 29. Location. Sevilla, Spain Date: March 30 2002 Time: late night The witness to the March 26 case was at home with his wife and was getting= ready to sleep when he heard footsteps coming from patio area outside his chalet. Armed with a club, he opened the door and was stunned to see the same two tall heavyset humanoids he had encountered 4 days before. One of the humanoids was kneeling on the ground as if inspecting something on the= soil, the other one upon hearing the door open, turned and quickly assured= the witness not to fear that they were not here to harm him. Stunned, the witness invited the two humanoids in the house for some refreshments (!). These declined the invitation telling that they had to go already. Using the same clumsy movements both humanoids walked towards the rear of the house where the witness noticed the same shiny metallic pear shaped craft on the ground. They entered the object, which quickly left at high speed. The witness=92s wife awakened by the voices was able to see the two= humanoids from a second story window, and described them in the same way. HC addendum Source: Francisco Padron, Jose Manuel Garcia, Spain Type: B 30. Location. Los Cipreses, Chile Date: March 31 2002 Time: noon During a local UFO congress 24 persons in three groups entered a dimensional gateway that appeared by itself over the terrain. It was kind of a dome, a luminous archway measuring four by four meters. The participants lost their materiality without disappearing completely. Upon entering, they met several human-like alien characters with large baldheads= and wearing robes that waited within and received information. According to= sources the contact experience was =93dimensional=94 it was like crossing= into a different reality. The 24 participants were =93all professionals, college= students of high intellectual levels, mostly Chileans,=94 and some were members of Grupo Rama, a New Age association. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 16, quoting Camilo Valdivieto Type: G or= F? 31. Location. Tbilissi Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: night A man entered the local St David church and reported that =93a phantom with= wings=94 had approached him and predicted an earthquake that indeed took place on April 25 2002, devastating areas of central Georgia. HC addendum Source: Pravda Type: E? 32. Location. Near Macon, Georgia Date: April 2002 Time: 2300 Three friends were awakened by loud banging noises and bellowing sounds coming from outside. One of the men ran to the bathroom and looked out the= window to see a figure run by and squat in the nearby bushes. He described= the creature as about 3 ft tall, hairy with what appeared to be horns on its head and hands; he could not see a face. Others in the neighborhood heard the banging noises. HC addendum Source: Cryptozoology.com and direct witness Communication. Type: E 33. Location. Belvedere di Tezze, Italy Date: April 26 2002 Time: evening A 20-year old woman was returning home one night when she noticed some bright lights nearby of an unknown origin. She followed the lights in her car until she stopped near a local pizzeria. She saw the light near the ground and within the lights two tall slender human like figures wearing some type of headgear. Since she was carrying a camera she was able to snap= a quick picture. The figures then vanished. No other information. HC addendum Source: Gruppo Accademico Ufologico Scandicci quoting =93Il giornale di Vicenza=94 Type: E? 34. Location. Barangay, Philippines Date: May 2002 Time: night Several local residents reported seeing a bizarre creature described as an= =93aswang=94 reputed to be a winged vampire type creature, it reportedly had= red glowing eyes, long black hair, and was wearing a white flowing gown. It= was seen perched on top of a bamboo tree. Residents at nearby Roxas reported seeing a similar creature. The police was called but a search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Akasico.com Type: E 35. Location. Alvear, La Pampa Argentina Date: May 3 2002 Time: near midnight Several young men were returning home late at night along a deserted roadway when suddenly out of nowhere a female figure wearing a light flowing gown and with long black hair appeared in front of them. The strange figure was very pale and appeared elderly and repeatedly asked for= assistance from the men in a strange urgent tone. Terrified the men ran from the area and later returned with additional witnesses but they could find no trace of the strange apparition. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E? 36. Location. Taralgon Victoria, Australia Date: May 24 2002 Time: 2355 Walking near the Loy Yang Power station 45-year old Martin Taylor was suddenly blinded by an intense blue light and he felt extremely dizzy. His= next memory was of being in a circular room with a variety of lights and buttons scattered about the walls. He was lying on a large table that seemed to be of a very highly polished metal. He was strapped down and his= shirt had been removed. There were wires attached to his arms, neck and temples. A four ft tall humanoid figure with very large almond shaped eyes,= almost transparent looking skin, ghostly white in appearance examined him.= The figure had three extremely long fingers on each hand and spoke in a strange dialect. HC addendum Source: UFO Watch Type: G 37. Location. Lembang Bandung, Indonesia Date: May 30 2002 Time: 2315 The witness was driving his motorcycle across a highland area when he spotted some flashing lights overhead and then noticed a silvery disc-shaped craft descend low over some nearby graves at a cemetery. The craft had blue and orange flashing lights around its rim. There was no sound as the craft apparently emitted a beam of light towards the ground and levitated what appeared to be some dead bodies onboard the object. (!)= The witness was apparently paralyzed and was unable to move. The craft then= shot away at a 45-degree angle and disappeared from sight. When that happened the witness left the scene. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: G? 38. Location. Houston, Texas Date: late May 2002 Time: afternoon The witness was at the local electric company in order to pay a bill when she decided to use the restrooms. Sitting in the stall she then noticed on= the side of the wall of the stall what appeared to be a face lit up in a dull light. When the witness looked directly at the =93face=94 it vanished.= She described is as having large round eyes no visible nose and a slit-like mouth. (A peeping tom alien?) HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E? 39. Location. General Acha, La Pampa, Argentina Date: early June 2002 Time: various A resident of the Oeste neighborhood informed newspaper sources that a short green-colored dwarf like entity has appeared twice on her property: once in the morning and once in the afternoon. When her husband ran out responding to her screams, the mysterious entity vanished by rapidly climbing up a tree. All versions agree in that the entity is short in stature. Another resident added that it moved so quickly that it was hard to describe it. In the same area mysterious cattle mutilations have also been reported. HC addendum Source: Loren Coleman in UFO Updates Type: E 40. Location. Ojo De Agua, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: afternoon Several passengers onboard two farm micro buses reported seeing a very tall= dark man like figure that appeared to be wearing a tight fitting diver=92s= outfit standing on a nearby field. Nearby numerous mysterious animal mutilations have been reported. The figure was silent and was quickly lost= from sight as the buses moved away. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 41. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: June 2002 Time: night A man and three of his friends reported encountering two bizarre chupacabra= type creatures one stood about 3-4 ft tall, the other looked to be about 6= ft tall. Both had large glowing red eyes and spikes starting from the head= to the back. They scurried away into a wooded area. (They were to have further encounters in August). HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com Type: E 42. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 2002 Time: midnight Irma Rick watched a rotating luminous object descend close to the ground next to a grain silo; it gave off a powerful bluish light through some openings around its circumference. It hovered close to the ground. Through= an opening a strange creature was seen to descend to the ground. It was described as having an elongated semi-transparent white body; it also had an elongated head. She could not see any eyes or legs on the creature as it= stood motionless next to the craft. She observed the creature and object for about 5 minutes until she dropped the flashlight she was carrying. Afraid she left the area and did not see the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: B 43. Location. Antalya, Turkey Date: June 5 2002 Time: afternoon Approximately 45 witnesses claimed they saw an UFO in the Santral district= landing on the backyard of the Fatma Primary School. Several students including Murat Esici age 11 saw an alien emitting red rays from his eyes come out of the object. His hands and feet were metallic. He had a very big= head and was about 1.80 meters in height. Esici temporarily lost her voice= immediately after the sighting. Students Zeynep Cpnar and Nalan Donmez also= claimed they san an unusual craft and an alien beside it. =93His eyes and hands were red and a red light was emitting from his eyes.=94 The children= were overcome with shock after the incident. HC addendum Source: Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center Intl Type: B 44. Location. Polonnauruwa, Sri Lanka Date: June 8 2002 Time: 2200 Approximately 50 to 70 eyewitnesses saw a UFO flying at about 100 meters above ground level. The object was silent and briefly landed emitting a bright flash like light. When it was close to the ground the object emitted= a buzzing sound. Three other witnesses saw three 2 ft tall creatures than when approached ran into the jungle and disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Sources Type: D 45. Location. Polonnaruwa, Sir Lanka Date: June 9 2002 Time: 2012 Two witnesses went to a bath on a nearby river when they heard a loud thundering sound and a UFO appeared. The craft landed nearby and two, 2 ft= tall =93aliens=94 emerged from the object. One of the humanoids flung a= small fluorescent fireball like object that flew over a house and vanished. Soon= the craft and humanoids disappeared. HC addendum Source: NUFORC & News Reports Type: B 46. Location. Trincomalee, Sri Lanka Date: June 10 2002 Time: 1900 Witnesses saw a mysterious light in the sky and others saw a large disc shaped object land nearby. Three humanoids only about 2 ft tall emerged from the craft and disappeared into the forest when approached. The object= also left. HC addendum Source: NUFORC and News Reports Type: B 47. Location. Chantilly, Virginia Date: June 10 2002 Time: night The witness was awakened during the night with a sense of some presence in= the room. Looking toward the door, he saw, fading quickly, something, which= almost had the appearance of a hologram. Next, shadows appeared outside the= windows in an erratic shape. At first he thought the shadows to be from trees moving in a strong wind. The appearance was of a storm blowing the limbs to create these shadows outside the window. However, there was no storm. He looked at the adjacent window on the side of the house facing opposite and there was no wind at all. In fact there was no trees positioned in such a way to cast a shadow. He opened the blinds to see what= might be causing the shadows. He then saw what seemed to be a hologram with= the shape of two small eyes moving erratically outside the window. Frightened he closed the blinds. Two weeks later he was awakened by a humming sound and again saw the erratic shadows outside the window. He watched the shadows for 10-15 minutes and then called the police. The police found no signs of any intrusion in the yard. When the police left the witness walked toward the door facing the back porch and saw a large burst of bluish white light. It looked unnatural, almost like a laser. He has not seen the =93shadows=94 again. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E? 48. Location. Ataliva Roca, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 11 2002 Time: 1930 A worker at a local drainage project was sitting and guarding some machinery when he noticed a short greenish colored humanoid figure that was= approaching his location from a nearby field. The witness became concerned= and drove away from the area in the construction equipment and did not see= the creature depart. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 49. Location. Eduardo Castex, La Pampa Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Two girls of a local school encountered a short greenish humanoid figure in= the playing yard. The figure was standing up and appeared to be raising its= arms up to the sky. Terrified the two girls retreated into the school and watched the figure scurry away into some nearby woods. Around the same time= a local farmer found a strangely mutilated hog in his farm. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 50. Location. Chasico, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: June 12 2002 Time: afternoon Hugo Deluca and several other workers were parked in a bus in an isolated area when they spotted about 20 meters away a short, 1.20 meters tall, bipedal figure completely covered in gray hair. It walked upright like a man and then scurried away into some woods vanishing from sight. The area had been hit with animal mutilations around the same time. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 51. Location. Castex, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 13 2002 Time: night A 70-year old man had gone to his driveway to check on a flat tire in his car when a short light green colored humanoid suddenly appeared next to him. It had large round ears, and two reddish luminous eyes. Its body was thin and almost triangular in shape. The witness attempted to yell out but= was suddenly unable to speak and at the same time strange warmth invaded his body. Several seconds later the humanoid vanished and the witness returned to normal. He reported the incident to the police. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 52. Location. La Laguna, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 14 2002 Time: afternoon Several youngster had gone into the fields in order to obtain some firewood= when they saw sitting on a clearing in the woods two human like figures, all dressed in black. They sat facing each other, one looking towards the east the other towards the west, unmoving. Unnerved by the sight the juveniles ran from the area. The next day the father of one of the boys found two dead cows at the site, but could find no trace of the strange pair. Days later a sheep and a horse were found dead and strangely mutilated in the nearby location of El Cardonal. HC addendum Source: Gloria Raquel Coluchi, El Dragon Invisible Type: E 53. Location. De Kalb, Illinois Date: June 15 2002 Time: 0030A The witness was sitting in his family room watching TV when he noticed a bright flash of light outside the window. He saw the flash several times and decided to check his backyard there he saw a circular light moving around in circles. The light began to get closer; scared he ran inside his= home and called a friend on the phone. He then quickly ran outside and saw= the circle getting closer, he noticed that it had a purplish color to it and it began to descend towards the ground. He became nauseous and dizzy and collapsed on to the ground. He tried to crawl to the house but was unable to move. He turned his head and saw the purplish object on the ground and what appeared to be a door opening up. He then heard a squeaking= noise and saw a tall and a short figure standing by a door of the object. The two figures started to move towards him, walking in a strange bopping fashion. They were of a dark complexion with a bumpy texture, other than that they resembled normal human beings. The shorter figure approached and= picked up the witness=92 camera and stared at it. He then looked at the taller figure and handed it to him. The taller of the two looked at the camera and then at the witness. The witness then heard loud unpleasant shrieks coming from the taller figure, which then gave the camera back to the shorter figure, which covered the camera with his hand, seconds later a= light began to emerge from their hands. Then they stopped, threw the camera= aside and began to walk towards the witness. They reached his side and started to examine his body. A dog began to bark from inside the house and= the shorter figure put out his hand and the dog stopped barking. At this point the witness began to vomit. After about a minute he began to relax and to breathe better. When he turned his head he realized that the two figures and the purple spherical object were now gone. The next day he had= a very severe headache. HC addendum Source: Mystical Universe Type: B 54. Location. Manuel Rodriguez, Calama, Chile Date: June 22 2002 Time: after midnight A bizarre creature was spotted at a local housing complex on San Antonio Street. Witnesses reported that it resembled an ape and it jumped all over= the roof. It passed right in front of the witness, Maria Gavia=92s window= and then it came back making all manner of noise. The creature was able to make= very long jumps, unlike any a human could. It jumped and landed on the neighbor=92s roof and then it left the area. Neighborhood dogs acted scared= and began howling. Others described the creature as about 1.5 meters tall,= stocky in build with bright red eyes. It made a lot of noise. Others reportedly chased the creature. HC addendum Source: Jaime Ferrer, Calama UFO Center, quoting El Mercurio de Calama Type: E 55. Location. Angencia Realico, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 23 2002 Time: late night Several hunters returning to a local ranch spotted about 50 meters away two= large glowing reddish eyes staring at them. They turned off their flashlight and approached closer on foot, about 30 meters away they again saw the reddish eyes on a dark creature that appeared to be standing on top= of an apparently dead animal. One of the hunters shone its flashlight on the figure again and saw a figure about 40 cm in height that quickly ran from the area at very high speed. The creature disappeared into the brush.= At the scene, a dead and mutilated young heifer. Other mutilations were reported in the area. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 56. Location. Rancul, La Pampa, Argentina Date: June 25 2002 Time: 2020 Two young men, Nestor Pinto and Daniel Gatica were walking on a field when= they encountered a short man-like figure with huge pointy ears and long dangling arms standing near some brush. The figure scurried into the brush= and disappeared and at the same time the two witnesses ran away from the area and did not see the strange dwarf again. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 57. Location. Bavaria, Germany (exact location not given) Date: June 25 2002 Time: night The witness had stayed up late watching the soccer game as was in his bedroom when suddenly there was a coldness around him that made him shiver.= He noticed that his audio capabilities were somehow enhanced and he was able to hear sounds that previously he was unable to hear. He then heard a= noise outside his door and went out to investigate. The noise became louder= as he approached the door. He then heard footsteps and opened the door. A very small man with a somewhat deformed body that was smiling at him confronted the witness. He looked straight ahead and then stared at the witness. His next memory was of waking up in his bed in the morning. HC addendum Source: Unsolved Mysteries.com Type: E 58. Location. Tunkhannock, Wyoming County, Pennsylvania Date: June 26 2002 Time: 2105 The primary witness had stepped out on his back porch when his attention was drawn to two huge black =93birds=94 which were approaching from the= north. His first impression was they were Herons, but soon realized that the color= was wrong, and =93they were huge, much larger than any bird I have ever seen.=94 The two huge birds landed at the top of a very tall coniferous= tree. The witness stated that the wingspan appeared to be wider than the branches, jest below where they had landed. The body size was estimated to= be about six feet from head to tail. The oddest feature was the shape of the wings, which according to the witness appeared to be bat-like. The tree= where the =93birds=94 landed seemed as though it would break from their= weight. The witness yelled for others in the house to come outside to look. Another= family member was able to see the huge black birds as they passed overhead,= and headed for some woods. After checking the size of the branches where the birds had landed, the witness estimated that the wingspan would have been close to 12 feet or somewhat larger. HC addendum Source: Stan Gordon Type: E 59. Location. Adelia Maria, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 3 2002 Time: 2100 Pedro and Estela Moine had decided to visit the business district of town called Barrio Norte and crossed the old railroad yard through a pedestrian= pathway that ran through a pasture area between some silos, old railroad depots and abandoned wreckage. As the couple moved through the premises they suddenly became aware of a strange and incomprehensible conversation between many voices. Startled, they stopped walking moved a few meters more= and then heard the voices again which now sounded like strange =93O=94= sounds. Pedro looked toward the silos and was able to see resembling humanoid but lacking upper and lower extremities. Despite the pleas of his wife, Pedro ran several meters toward an inner alley in the silo plant, being able to make out some 45 meters to the west and in profile---the entity, which acting surprised, avoided the encounter and moved again to the north. However, what filled the witnesses with wonderment was that the creature did so as though flying or floating without touching the facilities it passed. Pedro and Estela ran after it. It was thus that the man managed to= see the entity apparently hiding behind the control room of the truck scale. Pedro ran toward it and was again startled to see the apparition rising as a plane taking off, flying at an altitude of 5 meters and disappearing behind a large metal shed. Bewildered, both witnesses called out, but were unable to see anything else. Pedro Moine as =93a thing with human shape=94 described the apparition. It had some sort of light, although= he could not say if reflected or self-generated, although he tends to believe the latter, since it was a nebulous whitish light, which kept him from making out details. The entire mass of the apparition appeared to be a= body covered from head to toe in some sort of mantle, which he described as= though it wore a hat, but covered with some kind of long raincoat reaching= down to what he took to be its feet. He added that the =93conversational sounds=94 repeated themselves in three separate occasions at various intensities. They were like conversations in a strange language. HC addendum Source: Mario Luis Bracamonte, C.O.R, Rio Cuarto Argentina Type: E 60. Location. Jerusalem, Israel Date: July 6 2002 Time: night A remote TV camera picked up images of =93orbs seen on the corner to the right of the Wailing Wall.=94 They seemed to have facial features almost= like a ghost, reported investigator Charlotte LeFevre. The orbs were described as =93sharp and distinct=94. The orbs were next to the women=92s prayer area= in front of the Wall. Other strange phenomena, has been reported in the area. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 29 Type: F? 61. Location. Villa Elisa, La Pampa, Argentina Date: July 13 2002 Time: 2300 A young woman fainted from nervous shock after having an alleged closed encounter with =93some sort of green dwarf=94. This occurred---enveloped in= darkness---along Misioneros Salesianos Street very close to several houses.= An ambulance was called and apparently transported the witness who was in shock. HC addendum Source: Gloria Coluchi Type: E 62. Location. Patna, India Date: July 21 2002 Time: night Several residents claim they=92ve been bitten or scratched by a =93black monkey-like creature with colored lights flashing from its eyes.=94 Resident= Pawan Kumar Niyogi who was sleeping on the terrace of his house claims =93a= 5 ft tall monkey-like creature=94 attacked him. He said: =93I was terrified= and thought my life was going to end but it merely scratched me on the shoulder= before jumping off the roof.=94 Local residents are conducting night vigils= and carrying torches to guard their homes. HC addendum Source: Ananova, Ufoupdates. Type: E 63. Location. Chajan, Cordoba, Argentina Date: July 21 2002 Time: 2300 Police officer Guillermo Arias was on routine patrol through a rural area when he heard over the radio that his colleagues in arms over at Achiras were seeing lights in sectors of said community, and that they were heading= towards Chajan along National Route 8. At the wheel of the police patrol van, he managed to see a formation of 7 lights in the distance and decided= to drive 10 km along a rural dirt road. When he had covered said distance,= he noticed, not without surprise, that the engine of his vehicle sputtered= and died, causing the police car to strike the edge of a guardrail. Simultaneously, the lights on the van=92s dashboard began turning on and off= randomly, the police radio went haywire and its dial displayed the random shifting of the frequencies while the cabin became filled with an acrid odor, as though of burnt wiring, and the interior lights and stop indicator, which were broken, began lighting on and off. Seized by fear, Arias leaped from the van and walked away a few meters down the road, losing his cellular phone in the escape. The darkness was total, when suddenly, amid the confusing situation; an immense light emerged from a field adjacent to the road as a triangular object rose majestically into the air. Now Arias condition went from fear to abject terror as he saw what= he described as a real =93floating city=94 some 200 meters long with a long= row of windows (perhaps as many as 100). Arias claims having seen something move behind them, describing the movement as =93TV sets which make lines and= shadows=94, which he defined as =93non-human=94, and that many beams of= light came out of the giant triangle, aimed at the ground. The event lasted 2-3 seconds, but to Arias it felt like an eternity. The object suddenly rose and sped away, vanishing behind the hills of a local field. As the object moved away, the whole area was lit up like daytime and there was an afterglow that lasted another 20 minutes. HC addendum Source: C.O.R., Circulo Ovnilogico Riocuartense, Argentina Type: A 64. Location. Waconia, Minnesota Date: July 26 2002 Time: 0300A The young witness was sleeping in the backyard with his sister when he suddenly woke up. He then noticed that the side of the tent that faced the= wetlands and lake was lit up. Looking towards the light he saw a shadowy torso and arm of a humanoid figure that seemed to be moving around within the light. He watched for 30 seconds and saw the figure move the fingers of= his hands. The witness became frightened and hid in his sleeping bag. He came out about an hour later and the light and strange figure were completely gone. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 65. Location. Sedona, Arizona Date: July 28 2002 Time: 0310A In a wooded area the witness saw what appeared to be a figure glowing all white, with black =93straight=94 eyes; and black diagonal/diamond strip of= =93clothing=94 on top. He stood staring at the figure for 20 seconds and= then left. Prior to seeing the figure the witness had seen lights in a large oval shaped pattern in the sky. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: C? 66. Location. Tahmoor, Queensland, Australia Date: July 28 2002 Time: 1730 Three girls had decided to visit the rooftop as they did the prior evening= watching for satellites. It was dusk and the girls had a good vantage point= looking towards the east. With them they had a pair of binoculars and a pair of walkie-talkies. The girls noticed that a large orange light appeared approximately 15 degrees above the eastern horizon. The anomaly was noted to have fluctuated in colors of orange, yellow, white and pale blue. At fist they thought of an arriving airplane, but then a second light= appeared approximately 50 degrees south of the first anomaly, and about 10= degrees above the horizon. This much smaller anomaly began to perform some= unusually maneuvering; from a stationary position it accelerated at least 5= degrees closer to the ground surface at an approximate 45-60 degree angle within a matter of a single second. The first anomaly then began to move slowly towards the north. At this stage they partially lost view of it as it moved behind a tree. Then a third anomaly appeared in a valley-like region of the horizon. According to the witnesses, this third object appeared to have =93landed=94 on the ground surface. The object was then= viewed through the binoculars and presented in great detail; the object was described as a gray saucer with interchanging colors of green, red/orange,= blue/purple and white rotating around the rim. Thy also noted the trees being slightly illuminated by this extraordinary phenomenon. They were suddenly distracted by someone on their walkie-talkie saying, =93Identify yourself.=94 This was followed by some unusual voices communicating in a foreign language. Around 1830 the girls were then called down to have dinner. At about 2030 the girls re-established their places on the roof after dinner. To their surprise, the third ground-based object was still present. Unexpectedly a yellow beam of light ascended a few meters above the object and suddenly deviated its course towards the three girls. =93It= was like an orange, yellowy bright light shining on us from far away.=94 The= light shone on them for a period of about half a minute. At this point, it= is not clear how one of the girls ended up on the ground. She became extremely hysterical and ran inside. The other two girls quickly followed her. That evening all three girls had stomach pains. One of them could not= sleep and did not go to school the next day. Another of the girls woke up the next morning with her nose bleeding. She also mentioned that she had seen a strange small human like figure in her bedroom. HC addendum Source: The Australian UFO Research Network Type: D or F? 67. Location. Punta Alta, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 29 2002 Time: early morning Local residents have seen a strange figure, which they described as resembling a =93shroud=94. The apparitions, which always occur in the early= morning hours, have become so common that in recent days several neighbors= have stayed up late to see them, and it is thus that they were able to confirm the simultaneous presence of up to 2 such beings, as well as red lights flying over the area. All the witnesses whether individuals or in a= group, agree that the entities are nebulous and glowing, with a pair of red= eyes being clearly identifiable, and glassy faces (as if transparent). Their movements are smooth and they always appear from behind the sand dunes, as though =93coming form the Naval Base.=94 Most witnesses agree that= they show a great interest in the water tanks located above the roofs, and= that they do not flee upon detecting the presence of local residents---rather, they stare at them fixedly for some minutes. Deep silence is perceived during the observations and =93the air appears to= become still=94 and neither heat nor cold can be felt---only a sensation of warmth,= as if the beings emanated heat. Witnesses also state that things appear to= be darker when =93the shroud=94 appears, as though ambient lighting were dimmed. Another curious fact is the large number of cats and dogs who report to the place where the sightings occur and sit down to observe it in= silence, in a state resembling a trance. A series of semi-circular prints have been found in the dunes, not very deep, with 15-20 cm separations in some cases and 30-50 cm in others. The locals have identified them as the strange being=92s footprints. Efforts have been made to photograph the =93shroud=94, but all images, despite the use of different cameras appear exposed. One witness who approached the site to witness the phenomenon took= two photos of the prints in the afternoon and decided to stay with the group of people hoping to see the =93shroud=94, managing to take some photos= of same and record the new prints which appeared in the dunes after the sighting. A completely uncommon print was found at the site---but the residents aren=92t sure if it=92s related to the phenomenon: it has the= shape of a five-fingered claw. One witness tried to make use of his carbine=92s telescopic sight to see the figure in greater detail, but =93when he tried= to focus on it, he could see nothing=85it was a though it could only be seen with the unaided eye.=94 HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, IHU, Christian Quintero and O A Mario Proyecto Condor Type: C or E? 68. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 30 2002 Time: 0530A 27-year old Mariela Baigorri reported seeing a strange figure that floated= in front of her house. She had woken up early that morning and was getting= ready to mount her bicycle when she saw behind the fence something floating= in mid-air. It appeared to be a figure wearing a flowing white transparent= tunic, with bright red eyes and undefined facial features. Feeling no fear= she decided to approach it. She felt as if the figure waited for her and was observing her. At this point Mariela felt some fear and began reciting= the Lord=92s Prayer. The figure suddenly moved back and disappeared in plain= sight. HC addendum Source: Juan Carlos Corrales Morey, Vision Ovni, Argentina Type: E 69. Location. Arroyo Pareja, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Date: July 31 2002 Time: 1845 23-year old Julian Pereyra was in his vehicle when he observed two red spheres flying slowly over some nearby woods, they seemed to descend and disappear behind the trees. 15 minutes later, Pereyra, accompanied by several other witnesses approached the area and observed what they described a tall floating figure wearing a white glowing cape like outfit,= it seemed to glide silently over a field. It had what appeared to be a visor at face level and two beams of red light emerged from where the eyes= would have been. The witnesses watched the strange figure glide over the fields for about 30 minutes. Curiously numerous local dogs and cats approached and also watched the figure in fascination. The lights and figure disappeared into the distance. In another occasion Pereyra and some= of his family members encountered the strange humanoid and felt a strange sensation as if the wind had suddenly stopped, they felt as they were inside a vacuum or =93bubble.=94 Strange tracks have been reportedly found= in the area also. HC addendum Source: Diario La Nueva Provincia, Bahia Blanca, Argentina Type: C? 70. Location. La Cienaga, Pocri, Panama Date: early August 2002 Time: night Luis Alfredo Diaz reported hearing loud noises coming from the terraced patio where the kitchen was located, going to investigate he found his cat= apparently dead with two obvious holes on the neck and some blood on the floor. Before finding the cat he had called his wife, Maria de Los Santos Barrios. As his wife stood in front of him a panic stricken look came over= her face, turning around he was confronted by a bizarre 1-meter tall humanoid that had jumped to the center of the patio. The creature was described as thin, covered with dark hair, with large pointed ears that almost covered its face, it had very large eyes and extremely strong hind legs resembling that of a kangaroo. Terrified he ran to his son=92s bedroom= and carried him outside yelling for his neighbors. A search failed to locate anything. HC addendum Source: Panamanian Paranormal Forum Type: E 71. Location. Jacinto Arauz, La Pampa, Argentina Date: August 1 2002 Time: late evening 64-year old Raul Dorado was touring some fields when he heard a loud sound= on two occasions, like a whirlwind, which drew his attention. The third time he saw something he describes as a green circle with three legs hovering over him. At that moment Dorado fell to the ground, and according= to his story, he carried a shotgun, binoculars and a cellular phone, the latter, which was taken from his hand, and he could clearly see being sucked into the object, which was apparently at low altitude. His next recollection was seeing the object disappear toward the east. Dorado remained at the location for an hour before being able to rise and walk back to his car, returning to town in a state of shock. He had to be hospitalized. Later when calls were placed to the (abducted) cellular phone= someone would pick up and heavy breathing could be heard. Later on the phone was apparently disconnected. HC addendum Source: Scott Corrales, quoting Diario La Arena, La Pampa Type:= G? 72. Location. Montour Ridge, Northumberland, Pennsylvania Date: August 2 2002 Time: 1730 A man named Todd Sees went up the mountain to look for pre-season deer. He= told his wife that he would be home by noon. He rode his 4-wheeler up the power line behind his home. He never returned. A search party composed of local police, state police and volunteers searched for Sees. The 4-wheeler= was found on the top of the mountain near a power-line. Tracking dogs could= find nothing to go on around the 4-wheeler. The search went on for 2 days and over 6 miles of mountain was covered from top to bottom. Then, in the evening of the 2nd day, his body was found in a hard to reach wooded area.= He was wearing his underwear. He was emaciated---not bloated. He was pale and had an expression of horror on his face. When he went up the mountain he was fully dressed, boots, camo-vest, hat, socks, pants. 3 people, on one= farm, said they saw a large round bright object just above the power-lines= at the time of the disappearance. It was silent, it did not move for about= 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up and suddenly stopped. A light shone down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up,= hesitated again, and then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight. More specifically a farmer saw an object above Montour Ridge at the= power lines, on top of the mountain, it was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hundred feet to the east, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shone to the ground. What was= seen next was very unnerving, he saw what appeared to be a man suspended in= the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly= in the light. What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later it started shuddering, then went west very fast,= stopped briefly, and then went straight up and out of sight. Also three fishermen saw the craft. The FBI is supposedly also investigating. HC addendum Source: Rense, UFO updates, NUFORC Type: G? 73. Location. Florida, exact location not given Date: August 7 2002 Time: 0503A The witness was in his room when he heard a sound out in his backyard. He went out to see and there was nothing to see. When he came back to his room, there was a figure standing outside of his window, the figure was shadowy and it resembled a =93typical=94 gray alien. He ran outside armed= with his pellet gun and as he opened the door he saw it disappearing into the woods in front of the house. It was gray in color, hairless and the head was slightly larger than normal. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 74. Location. Mt.Ciosek, Poland Date: August 11 2002 Time: 1500 Researcher Robert Lesniakiewicz was out in a wooded area looking for mushrooms when suddenly he felt an unusual quiet in the area, the birds seemed to stop singing and the insects had stopped chirping. Almost simultaneously he heard a whistle coming from somewhere in front of him that was initially high-pitched and then declined in volume. He noticed an= =93invisible=94 something or somebody that seemed to be parting some tree branches just about 30 meters from his location. Seconds later he heard a second identical whistle, this time coming from behind him. Lesniakiewicz had the distinct impression that someone invisible was stalking him and trying to surround him. He could feel whistles and movement all around him= but could not see anything physical. After a few terrifying minutes everything suddenly returned to normal, with the familiar bird and insect sounds now back in focus. He searched around but could not find any logical= explanation as to what had occurred. (Brings to mind the attack on a woman= by invisible =93aliens=94 in the Lorie Valley, France back in 1950). HC addendum Source: Direct from witness (Robert Lesniakiewicz) Type:= F? 75. Location. Fuerte Alto, Argentina Date: August 13 2002 Time: night Hearing a loud ruckus coming from the goat pen, 14-year Ariel Gonzalez summoned his guard dogs and went to investigate. As he approached the pen the dogs refused to go any further and began to emit an unearthly howl. Climbing on top of a small hill he looked inside the pen and was horrified= to see a bizarre creature that had climbed on top of a goat. He described it as a short hairy humanoid with large glowing red eyes and shiny white sharp fangs protruding out of its mouth. The creature jumped down from the= moribund goat and disappeared into some nearby woods. Several of the animals were found dead and bloodless and mysterious three toed footprints= were found on the ground. HC addendum Source: Fabio Picasso Type: E 76. Location. Ilha De Colares, Amazonia, Brazil Date: August 15 2002 Time: night Two men were reportedly attacked in a wooded area by a short powerfully built creature covered with black hair and with glowing red eyes. It had three sharp =93talons=94 that injured both men, one of them critically. No= other information. HC addendum Source: Daniel Rebisso & Carlos Alberto Machado Type: E 77. Location. Detroit, Michigan Date: August 19 2002 Time: 0600A During a stormy morning the witness was driving to work when a flash of light made him look up over the nearby Fisher building about 50 stories up.= The building has a big red ball lit up on top. Around it he saw several huge winged figures, to big to be birds. It appeared they were startled from the lighting as they flew in a boomerang type formation. They were surrounded by a yellow glow at first and then a red glow as they drifted southeast. They had appeared to take off from the top of the building. HC addendum Source: NUFORC Type: E 78. Location. Wolfsgraben, Austria Date: August 19 2002 Time: morning The witness was out in the morning to collect mushrooms near the small village when he suddenly saw a big swarm of very large birds, containing more than 100 specimens. One of the =93birds=94 left the group and sailed= down to circle the witness for about five minutes or so. He described the strange bird, as having a long and baldhead with a long beak, and something= prolonging the head stuck out form its hind skull. It really looked more like a pterodactyl than a bird. The only difference was that it was covered= with feathers. It had the body of a penguin and a long neck, also short legs. It had a white breast and belly, while the rest of its body was totally black. Its wingspan was at least that of 7 ft. HC addendum Source: UFO Roundup Vol. 7 # 35 Type: E 79. Location. Near Tampa, Florida Date: August 24 2002 Time: night A bizarre creature that jumped out of a bush reportedly attacked a man walking along a path. It had a tongue like a lance that apparently was able= to suck blood. It shot a mysterious liquid like substance at the witness. The witness managed to get away. Another man saw a dark figure running from= a fence and hide behind a truck tire. It appeared to have strong hind legs= and small hands raised up at chest level. According to one of the witnesses= he attempted to chase a couple of the creatures but seemingly disappeared into the ground. HC addendum Source: Art Bell.com, Direct communications From witness. Type: E
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:34:26 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:46:03 -0400 Subject: Re: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form - Gates >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:51:07 -0400 >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: UFO UpDate: MUFON's 2001 Tax Form >For those interested..... >MUFON's 2001 Tax Forms >http://www.guidestar.org/pdf/2001/370/990/2001-370990161-1-9.pdf A pretty interesting form. Estimating from the membership dollars numbers, MUFON was around 5000 or so members in 97, and has dropped every year...likely to around 3500 - 3800 or thereabouts. We also see that the officers and leadership are being paid very, very little... if any at all. John Schussler is being paid around $2,200 for being the Intl director. Bottom line in a declining economy and declining membership it would appear that MUFON is being run very prudently. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum From: Elaine Tassin <Blueziana@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:21:24 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:00:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Mysterious Noise Pollution Is Known As The Hum Hi List, I have experienced first hand that annoying Hum, right here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It would awaken me every night for several months. I also had unusual medical problems - the same that folks in Kokomo, Indiana experienced. Strange, the ailments departed when the humming moved on. Also I have had many sightings, up close, and a dream recently, of trying to outrun a whitishblue light as a child. When I awakened, I had severe pains in my legs, as if reliving the experience. I am not sure if ever taken aboard, and never hypnotisted, to find out. Elaine Tassin
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:31:21 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:07:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:08:05 +0000 >Subject: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >Folks, >I know its been covered before but, I'd like you to look at >this: >http://www.ufovideo.com/videos/analysis.php >Download the August 6, 1997 video that has the building >stablized. I did this process a few years back. When watching >the clip you'll notice that when the saucer rotates next to the >building it pops up and down quickly. Basically hopping up >and down rapidly. This is hard to notice with the orginal clip. >Deconstructing the video I find it hard to believe this is >merely a screw-up made by the 'video animator' placing the >object into a composite shot. The up and down jerking could be a >screw-up, but why only up and down? If the animator didn't >place the object properly in the video, it should have the >same jerking effect, left, right and diagonally, but it >doesn't. >I know Jeff Sanio dismissed the entire event because of a couple >of out-of-focus stills with the saucer and the building. I saw >those stills when I hand stabilized the video. I noticed the >background was also out of focus along with the saucer and it >didn't seem out of place. However I dismissed Jeff's analysis as >being mistaken since he didn't explain the eyewitnesses. >Take a look yourself and make your own conclusions. Sainio also made a stabilized video, back in 1998. It wasn't a problem with focus that Sainio discovered, it was a problem of "differential image smear". Specifically, the UFO image was never or almost never smeared by random camera motion while the building edges were almost always smeared, at least a small amount. Sainio looked at the differential smear throughout the whole video and found that, on the average, the building images were smeared more than the UFO image. There are a couple of frames near the beginning where the differential smear is obvious: the edge of the building and the small wind sock on top of the building (yes, windsocks on the buildings) are very blurred but the UFO image is not. This occurs as the UFO moves toward the right, approaching the left edge of the first building. The image of the edge of the building suddenly moves (downward?) from one frame to the next, blurring the image of the top edge of the building and the image of the wind sock , while the image of the UFO (the edges of the image) remain unblurred. If the UFO were a real object "out there" beyond the building, this differential blur could occur only if the UFO suddenly moved with the random motion of the camera in such a way as to remain at the same location in the field of view of the camera even though the building image changed its position. That is, the UFO would have to track the motion of the camera. And this is in the time of one frame, 1/30 sec. Actually, in less than the time of one frame the UFO would have had to "jump" downwards many feet (I don't recall the exact number) and then back up again in the next frame because there is no differential image smear in the frame following. As I recall there wre two frames which show this very obvious differential smear. But Sainio studied all the frames and found that the building image smear was almost always greater than the UFO image smear. I should point out that Sainio and I spent well over a hundred hours analyzing that video. It was very interesting and 'looking good' until he discovered the differential smear. The differential smear (and also the image jump referred to by King) introduced an artifact that could not be explained unless one assumed that the UFO tracked the random hand vibration of the camera and moved in a rapid, jerky motion just enough to have its image remain unsmeared throughout the video. This seemed highly unlikely for the apparently smoothly moving (and rotating) object and so Sainio and I have considered this differential smear to be the 'fingerprints of a hoax'. Of course, we cannot explain the witness reports. We just wonder if there is really any connection.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Hutchison Effect - Warren From: Frank Warren <frank-warren@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:20:52 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:10:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect - Warren >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:07:57 +0100 >Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:44:05 +0100 >>Subject: Re: Hutchison Effect <snip> >>If I receive anything, I'll report back to the List. >Sorry, message bounced back: "address failed". >Anyone got any other ideas? Good Day John, I contacted an associate to see if he had Hutchison's correct e- mail address. The answer is forthcoming. In addition I found a site that listed the previous 'incorrect' address along with this one: orheffect@infinet.net. I have not tried it. Regards, Frank
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Astronaut's E-Mail Addresses? From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:55:23 -0300 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:12:58 -0400 Subject: Astronaut's E-Mail Addresses? Hello, I would like to know if you have the e-mails of American astronauts, or better, the e-mail of Dr. Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgard Mitchell. I am writing a book about UFOs and astronauts sightings, and if some of you could help me by sending information, tips, documents or ways to contact those astronauts I would give all the credit and send a copy of the book. Thank you in advance. Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Vice-Presidente da Entidade Brasileira de Estudos Extraterrestres(Bras=EDlia/Brasil) (EBE-ET VICE PRESIDENT) http://www.ebe-et.com.br
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:17:33 +1000 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 - Acres >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:06:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Subject: Re: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >>From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:00:49 -0700 >>Subject: Houston, BC - 08-23-02 >I visited your web site and I liked it a lot, especially the >detailed accounts of the various UFO sightings recorded there. I agree with you, Nick! :) Keep up the good work Brian! :) >As for the UFO images which I found in your web site, I would >like to say that the Francois Lake UFO looks very much like >birds that are found in some of my own pictures. To allow me to test my own perception & vision, I'd like to see an example/s of your similes Nick. Sorry, but they don't look at all like birds to me. <snip> >The Kitimat UFO video images (why was only one frame shown?) >look very much like flying bugs as they appear when they are >close to the camera and backlit by a bright light such as the >Sun. I can't call insects for this either, sorry! :( <snip> Not that I'm an expert in this field either. I guess we eagerly await a more experienced opinion! :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases - Cammack From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:05:02 +0300 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases - Cammack >From: Albert Rosales <Garuda79@aol.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:40:34 EDT >Subject: latest update for 2002, assorted cases, mostly humanoid >Greetings all >Bon jour >Saludos >Abracos! >And remember, there are none so blind than those who _will_ not >see. >Albert >----- >2002 Humanoid Reports. >It appears to be a slow start for this year with only one recorded case, >again from Chile. We will see what develops later on the year. 2001 was >pretty busy but it was a decline from 2000. Maybe we will see another down >trend again, later to pick up again in the near future. This seems to be >the ever-ongoing trend of the phenomena. Will it always stay the same? >Time will tell. Following is a list of known 2002 humanoid cases. Where did this list of humanoids come from? What are the 'type a', 'type b', etc., supposed to mean? (what is the typology?) have these types been cross referenced in other ways, e.g., area of the world, dates, type of UFO seen at approx same time if any, etc., etc.? Diana (in Malawi)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:31:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:19:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:32:15 -0400 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:33:05 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>Man don't get me started! I recently asked Greg Sandow if he had >>heard anything from Stuart Appelle regarding the "exoglyphs" as >>you call them. Both Greg and I worked hard to get Budd to submit >>that material to Stuart for analysis. One of the samples that >>was submitted came from me. Budd had six of those exoglyph >>samples (7 years ago) and I became number seven. I am more than >>a little curious about the results (if any) of that particular >>study. Greg never responded to my inquiry. Quite possibly >>because he doesn't have any news about them either. Hi Greg, You wrote: >Eeek! Did I miss an e-mail from you? Yeah, but don't feel bad. My question to you appeared in a response post that I wrote to Jim Spieser. No foul on your part. >I've been deluged lately. To the detriment of this List and ufology! I miss the balance and the sanity that you bring to the table. We all lose out (substantially) because of your absence. >Budd did send his material to Stuart Appelle. That was three years ago Greg. I would have thought that 'even if' Stuart was unable to get JUFOS published, he would have gone ahead with the study anyway. The results and how they were arrived at could have been published in a white paper or on the Web. Waiting for the time when JUFOS can be published again isn't much of an excuse for doing nothing with those "exoglyph" <-a Spieserism- samples. Has anybody spoken to Stuart lately? Maybe somebody else can perform the analysis. I have had several researchers ask me for copies of those glyphs. Because I promised Budd I wouldn't hand out samples to anyone, I have refused all requests. Citing my 'word' to Budd as a reason. But, if _nobody_ is going to study the samples, then I consider it a responsibility to provide samples to any researchers that may be actively/responsibly conducting similar analysis. As someone with a deep interest in the findings of such a study, it's not very comforting to hear that all of that data/ material is languishing somewhere in Stuart's office. Especially while others scour the globe trying to collect a few samples for their own studies. >But JUFOS hasn't been published since then, so probably >Stuart had no chance to do anything with the stuff Budd >sent. After three years?! Maybe it's time to 'pass the pill' so that another player can move it a little further down court. I'll send a copy of this post to Stuart. Although, it 'should be' the principle contributing researchers asking. Not one of the contributing subjects of the study. 'Somebody' is fast asleep at the wheel. Awhile back Stuart told me that he was going to secure the services of psychologists, language and writing experts and pros from other 'related' fields of study so that they may have a go at the samples. There is no reason why it cannot be done even if JUFOS is in a holding pattern. Frankly I don't see what one has to do with the other. On a more personal note... Greg, you know the number that it did on my head when Budd showed me those 'other' samples. You were one of the very few people I could discuss it with intelligently. I confided it all to you. It was _the_ catalytic event that finally and for all time shattered any hopes I may have been harboring that I was simply insane. Hopes that none of this terrifying, horrible business was true. To paraphrase Budd, I lost the 'luxury of disbelief' that day. Or, to put it another way, I was robbed of my ignorance! I want to do whatever I can to get this material analyzed. I'll report back if I hear anything from Stuart. Maybe EBK can forward him a copy of this post along with an invitation and Stuart can respond directly to the List if he wishes. (Errol, ok?) [H'yup--ebk] Miss you on the List Greg. I miss you. I suppose that ufology's loss is Music's gain. But if the truth was to be told, _we_ need your 'voice' more than the world of music does. :) Warmest regards to you and Lady Anne, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Filer's Files #39 - 2002 From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:38:05 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:21:12 -0400 Subject: Filer's Files #39 - 2002 FILER'S FILES #39 - 2002, MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A. Filer, Director Mutual UFO Network Eastern September 25, 2002, Majorstar@aol.com. Webmaster: Chuck Warren -- My new website is at http//:www.filersfiles-ufo.com. WAVE OF UFO SIGHTINGS HIGH ON EAST COAST OF US: The purpose of these files is to report the UFO eyewitness and photo/video evidence that occurs on a daily basis. Features this week are: One-hundredth planet found outside our Solar System, Signs of water on extrasolar planets, New York UFOs filmed, New Jersey eggs dancing in the sky, Pennsylvania mysterious death, Maryland cylinder, Florida sphere and chevron, Ohio UFO, Tennessee UFO falls, Minnesota balls of light, Colorado fireballs, Washington UFO photos continue, Canadian video of cylinder, Germany flying lights, Israel ET incidents, and saucers follow Mick Jagger. GENERAL DOUGLAS MAC ARTHUR, stated in 1955,"The nations of the world will have to unite for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of Earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets" SCIENTISTS FIND 100TH PLANET OUTSIDE OUR SOLAR SYSTEM NEW SOUTH WALES - Australian and British astronomers have found a Jupiter-like planet 100 light years away circling a star similar to our own. Hugh Jones stated, "This is a leap forward in the search for planetary systems similar to earth's which might eventually reveal whether mankind is indeed alone in the universe. The new planet has a mass similar to that of Jupiter and circles its star Tau1 Gruis in the Grus or Crane constellation once every four years. Most solar systems have planets that are strung out in a line similar to our own. Astronomers watch for stars that appear to wobble because of the effect of an associated planet's gravitational pull" The next step is to look for life on these planets on the 100 billion earth like stars in our galaxy. SIGNS OF WATER SEEN ON PLANETS ORBITING DISTANT STARS ROME -- Cristiano Cosmovici, of the Institute for Cosmic and Planetary Sciences says Italian astronomers believe they have glimpsed water, a key building block of life, in the atmosphere of extrasolar planets. New Scientist says, "Astronomers found telltale microwave emissions, called masers, that can emanate from atmospheric water when it is bathed in infrared light from a nearby star. "This would be a historic discovery -- the first detection of a prebiotic molecule in an extrasolar planet. Cosmovici's team looked for maser emissions among 17 stars and three planetary systems are producing the emissions, they say. The best signs are coming from three planets around the star Upsilon Andromedae, located about 50 light years from Earth, like Jupiter -- huge balls of swirling gas, rather than rocky planets like Earth. There is also evidence for water, albeit weaker, from three planets that orbit two stars which are much closer to Earth: Epsilon Eridani, a Sun-like star that is 10 light-years away, and Lalande 21185, a "red dwarf" about eight light years away. Thanks to New Scientist and UFO UpDates - Toronto - ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net Errol Bruce-Knapp UFO UpDates http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ UFO ORBITS EARTH IS MOST LIKELY APOLLO ROCKET Something odd is circling our planet. It's small, perhaps only 60-ft long, and rotates once every minute. Amateur astronomer Bill Yeung first spotted the 16th magnitude speck of light on September 3rd, that he named it J002E3. It might be a spacecraft after all--an old one from Earth. Apparently, J002E3 left Earth in 1971, went around the Sun 30 or so times, and came back again. Chodas, an expert in planetary motion who has seen plenty of complicated orbits, says "I've never seen anything like this." NASA scientists have confirmed the first known capture of an object into Earth orbit from a Sun-centered orbit, thanks to continuing observations of what is most likely the long-lost third stage of a 1969 Apollo rocket to the Moon. "Last week we didn't know for sure that it had been captured, and now there's no doubt that it was captured in April of this year," said Dr. Paul Chodas of the Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "What's more, we are virtually certain that it originally escaped Earth orbit in March 1971 and that it will escape again next June. It's only a temporary visitor." Thanks to NASA. NEW YORK CITY SIGHTINGS STATEN ISLAND -- It was a clear night and the witness was using binoculars to look at the stars on September 8, 2002, twenty after midnight and saw a very bright, well defined "greenish- white" light pass through his field of view, moving quickly, but steadily, not like an aircraft. The witness said, "I presumed it was a low orbiting satellite, but as I watched, it split into two distinct lights, one red, the other green. As I kept looking, the lights merged back into the original "greenish- white" light originally spotted. I also thought it might be a fighter jet just banking with respect to my line of sight, but I would have seen the green (starboard) light first, then green and red, then back to green. The first, original color was a very pale green...almost white, the "split color" a much deeper green, (a lot like a navigation light). The object traveled southwest, and was spotted about 45 degrees up from the horizon to where I lost it MANHATTAN -- On September 8, 2002, at 4 PM. two witnesses in Central Park saw several UFO's high in the sky. The witness first noticed an object that looked to be circular and white. I didn't think much of it until I noticed that it had not moved for several minutes. I pointed the object out to my friend and asked if it could have been the planet Venus? We noticed that it had started to move. Then my friend pointed out another one. We started to see more and more and as they slowly moved in different directions and at one point three of the objects formed in a shape of a triangle and then slowly moved back into a straight line and then went in completely different directions. One turned from a sphere into a longer thinner 'sperm-like' object. Due to its speed, this object was seen for about 45 seconds before it moved out of sight. The rest of the objects moved very slowly apart. We saw eleven objects for almost two hours. Peter Davenport spoke with him and found the witness to be serious-minded and quite credible. QUEENS -- On September 8, 2002, at 8 PM, while sitting in my living room talking on the phone I saw this cup and saucer like object in the sky. It sat there for a few minutes and then it got smaller and smaller and disappeared. At first I thought it was a blimp but then a blimp flew underneath it to verify that it was not it. CENTRAL SQUARE - In upstate NY, on September 8, 2002, the witness saw out his window at 1 AM, what appeared to be the reflection of police lights. When they got closer he realized it was a hovering saucer shaped object high in the western sky. The witness said, "The top was shining brightly with red, green and blue lights, and the bottom had a very bright white light. It would spin very fast "it looked like the toy top I played with as a child" and then it would slow down and hover up and down and suddenly disappeared. This sighting lasted 45 minutes. At 2: AM, I received a phone call from a lady friend traveling from Cicero who saw the same object. Last night, we patiently waited at our homes three miles apart, and about 9:30 PM, the same object returned and hovered for over 2 hours. My friend called North Syracuse and her friend could also see it. She also located another friend three miles south in Brewerton who could also see it. My husband and I have captured the object on video tape. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC NEW JERSEY EGGS AND DANCING LIGHTS IN THE SKY NEWARK -- On September 7, 2002, an egg-shaped craft was moving very slowly, and descended below the horizon at 7:30 PM, and headed away to the west. CALIFON -- On September 8, 2002, using his telescope the witness spotted a stationary cylindrical object composed of a black inner disk and an outer ring that contained seemingly thousands of rapidly pulsating and rotating lights of constantly changing colors. The witness says, "At 9:45 PM, I first saw what appeared to be a big star that was changing colors from red to blue to green. Looking through the telescope, I saw a very deliberately shaped circle of thousands of light grids that were pulsing and rotating. The colors were distinct. A significantly smaller round object was flying around the large object in a random pattern. It was definitely a manufactured object. A second observer also looked through the telescope, and agreed the colors were indescribable and changed within a fraction of a second, and never slowed down pulsating. Each time it changed, it wasn't one solid color on the object. MILLSTONE -- While laying on a hammock, looking up on September 8, 2002, the witness observed a white light against a pale blue cloud free sky. At 1:30 PM, the light danced around, stopped, and changed directions faster than could be imagined. It looked like the effect you might get as your watch crystal picks up light and dances on the ceiling. The object moved to the southwest, stopped, pulsed and got brighter/larger and vanished. MARLTON -- There was a very high plane lying down a chemtrail when the witness noticed a white object traveling northeast at a high rate of speed on September 13, 2002, at 11:48 PM. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC PENNSYLVANIA UFO SIGHTINGS HARRISBURG -- On September 6, 2002, the witness reports seeing three lights in a triangular formation that were lit for about two seconds then disappeared, reappeared in a different straight up and down formation for about two seconds and disappeared. This happened about 3 times until the view was cut off by trees as we drove. My Mother who was about four miles away also witnessed the lights in a straight line like three headlights in the sky. The lights were brighter than anything else in the sky, but then they disappeared and reappeared in a different formation, so I knew it wasn't a crashing plane. It was eerie. This is something my girlfriend, and my Mom had ever witnessed. HYDETOWN/TOWNVILLE -- The witness was driving home on Route 77 west on September 12, 2002, at 7:30 PM, and came atop a hill with a great view of the horizon. He saw five objects that were larger than planets all lined up vertically. There were also two moving objects approaching the other five. The objects were seen during daylight/dusk hours and stayed in the same relative spot for over half hour. I believe if they had been jets or planes they would have disappeared from view sooner. These objects were all bright and standing out in a mainly clear and bright sky. NORTHUMBERLAND -- More details are coming out about the craft seen on Montour Ridge on August 6, 2002, at 5:30 AM in the morning by a farmer and three fishermen on the Susquehanna River. It was at the very top of the mountain on the western end, just hovering above the power lines. The farmer said, "He could see some sparks flying from the tower and dropping to the ground. The whole incident lasted about 10 minutes, then it got very bright and took off very low heading west, then it stopped and went straight up, it was gone in seconds. The horses on the farm were very upset and nervous for about 12 hours." It was round and very still over the lines. Suddenly it moved what looked like a few hundred feet to the East, it stopped and a beam of blue and white light shined to the ground. He saw what appeared to be a man suspended in the light, he was being pulled up head first, he was moving his arms slowly in the light? What looked like a man was pulled up into the bottom of the craft. A few seconds later the craft started shuddering, then went west very fast, stopped briefly, and then flew straight up and out of sight. Two days later a young man was found dead not far away. The man had driven his vehicle up the mountain looking for deer signs at around 5:00 AM. His 4 wheeler was two miles from where his body was found in thick brush. The Blood hounds never got a scent past the 4 wheeler. The Daily Item Newspaper report by Marcia Moore reports: Northumberland Investigators are still awaiting toxicology results to determine what killed a 39-year-old Northumberland County man found in the woods near his home last month. Point Township police began investigating the death of Todd Sees after his body was discovered Aug. 5 in a wooded area at the western base of Montour Ridge about 150 yards from his house. An autopsy failed to conclude a cause of death and toxicology tests were ordered. "Right now we're on hold until we get the test results," Point Township Police Chief Gary Steffen said Tuesday. The blood tests are expected to take another four or five weeks, he said. "It's just a waiting game," Steffen said. "Something certainly caused his death. The answer has to be in the blood." Sees was reported missing on the afternoon of Aug. 4, hours after he left his home on an ATV to go scouting for deer on Montour Ridge. A family member found the ATV about two miles from his home, but there was no sign of Sees. About 200 volunteers, along with tracking dogs and searchers in helicopters, looked for the missing man for several hours. About 30 hours after he went missing, Sees' relatives stumbled upon his body in a densely wooded area of the ridge about 150 yards from his house. Northumberland County Coroner James Kelley said the autopsy revealed Sees had been dead between 24 hours to 36 hours, but found no signs of trauma or of coronary disease. MUFON is investigating. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC MARYLAND CYLINDER NEAR AIRPORT BALTIMORE WASHINGTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT -- Two people who live near the airport saw a strange cylinder shaped craft with bright lights on September 13, 2002, at 11:10 PM. They stated, "We are used to seeing aircraft, but there wasn't a glare from the UFO lights like normal lights, that is why it caught our eyes at first ." After about ten-second the cylinder craft disappeared completely. I have 20/10 vision and could not make out where the craft had gone. There were no clouds where the craft had been and it was still mostly light out. It got skinnier and disappeared without a trace. The person I was with asked if I saw it also? Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC FLORIDA SPHERE AND WE GOT PHOTOS BROOKSVILLE -- They came from different directions September 4, 2002, about 8:30 PM, and met in the middle, but never touched. They stayed in one spot then each went back the way they came, all but one went to the east. It flew slowly like it was just cruising for may be three minutes, then it flew like a shot east! You could see them very good! There were airplanes flying around. Two 707s were headed for Tampa and this helped us to see the spheres were higher than the planes. Thanks Peter Davenport NUFORC COCOA BEACH -- "It was September 19, 2002, when the witness at 9 PM, went outside to smoke a cigarette and saw what he thought were F-16 fighters. The witness said, "I live near NASA and a military base so its not unusual. I watched three bright white lights go from parallel to vertical within a half second which made me pay even more attention. The lights started heading west towards me so I stood and awaited them to fly over. I used to be a flight attendant and live with an airline captain. The three lights approached slowly then stopped exactly above my house and I was able to see it was one craft not three. It was not noisy until it was above me. I watched in disbelief as it hovered above me for roughly 50 seconds. The craft was Triangular/Chevron and was about 500 feet above me. When the craft disappeared I called the Police and reported my sighting. A couple minutes later, I heard sirens from both police and fire department and within 40 minutes saw a helicopter land in the vicinity of where I had first seen the light dancing. I felt pure awe." Thanks to Sue Darroch, Para Researchers of Ontario, http:www.pararesearchers.org. OHIO TRUCK DRIVER SEES UFO NEWBERRY -- A truck driver was sitting in parking lot at 3:28 AM, when his attention was drawn to an extremely bright object moving rapidly in the southern sky on September 12, 2002. It was a bit smaller than a full Moon. It was 8 degrees above the horizontal plane near the southern horizon, and it traversed 7 degrees in one-second. The object was descending at a 45 degree angle, traveling from right to left, from the vantage point of the witness. Thanks Peter Davenport TENNESSEE DISK OBSERVED UFO FALLING FROM CLOUD GERMANTOWN - The bright silver and disk like object descended strait down from a white cloud toward the ground at high speed on September 8, 2002, at 7:10 PM. It turned gray with slight tan color showing slightly on top. The witness took a hasty picture with his digital camera as the object disappeared into low altitude cloud clutter. The sun had recently set, but clouds at least 6000 feet were still being illuminated as was the object during initial fall. An airliner passed through the cloud within a few seconds. The image shows a small crown of clutter on top and a very large cloud of disturbed atmosphere underneath the saucer skirt. Thanks Peter Davenport NUFORC MINNESOTA TWO BALLS OF LIGHT AIMED AT EACH OTHER WILLERNIE/STILLWATER -- The couple were driving down the road when they spotted two balls of light in the southwest sky on September 3, 2002, The two decided to follow and came to a clearing about 10:30 PM, when the balls started moving towards each other almost like they were going to collide with one another. They got so close to each other that we could only see one ball of light as they were passing each other. After they passed each other, the one on the left disappeared. The one moving to the right stopped and circled up and down and left or right. It was changing colors from red to white to an almost glowing blue/green and it looked like it was spinning. We watched it hover for 15 to 20 minutes. We were in awe as we had never seen anything like it before. Thanks to Peter Davenport COLORADO TWO FIREBALLS GRAND JUNCTION -- The witness wrote, "I was driving east on I- 70 near the turnoff to horizon drive at Grand Junction on September 20, 2002, and saw two fireballs side by side turning and twisting to my left viewing area." Many cars were slowing down to look at this event at 8:15 PM. My wife thought a plane was in trouble and about crash near Walker Field and the balls of light were being discharged toward the ground during this twisting and turning light show. Thanks to Peter Davenport NUFORC WASHINGTON PHOTOS CONTINUE SPOKANE -- I am writing to update you on the continuing and regular sightings of unexplained aircraft and lights in the night skies that began in early February 2002. The sightings have occurred nearly every night since that time. The activity appears to be cyclical, in that there will be a day or two of intense activity (10 or more objects per night), followed by several days of sporadic activity (1 to 3 objects per night). All of this activity is focused on or near Tower Mountain - a large hill about 15 miles SE of Spokane upon which sit a number of radio and television towers, as well as some large microwave transmitters. I have observed a variety of craft including balls of light, with no other discernible features. These objects tend to flare to incredible brightness when they stop and reverse direction. No sound is associated with these objects. I have also observed a variety of craft which sound like jet aircraft, but which do not perform or have the flight characteristics of large jet aircraft. I have observed these craft fly over my location, and appear much like a commercial passenger jet. However, I have then observed them turn toward the towers, flying below, and sometimes between the towers at a very slow speed -- then change direction, descend and disappear at the base of one of the towers. I am sure that there are no runways up there -- particularly one large enough to accommodate a large jet aircraft. On occasion I have also observed what appear to be a boomerang or "V" shaped aircraft. I have also observed lights or craft rise up from the area and fly away. I also invite anyone who has any information or comments to contact me at the email address below. Thanks to ESS estei@qwest.net Within the last week I have also noted some activity of what must be some new type of helicopter. At night it operates with only a bright red strobe which flashes erratically, and it is very quiet when compared with a regular helicopter. I have noticed it flying in the vicinity of Tower Mountain. But I want to stress that even though it appears to be a new type of helicopter, I can still identify it as such. I am not able to identify the other lights and objects I have described above. I am also going to include my email address at the end of this mail and make an urgent request for assistance from any reputable investigator who would be willing to research this ongoing pattern of sightings. I have done my best to document what has been going on In my view, this could be -- and I stress could be, because I don't know what is going on -- a very real and serious national security risk. See photos at: FF UFO CENTER PHOTOS CANADA DISK AND CYLINDER LIGHTS OBSERVED VANCOUVER ISLAND, BC -- On September 10, 2002, it displayed a somewhat circular shaped outline with changing vibrant colors of purple to green to blue then solid blue with red glow on trailing edge. At 10:50 PM, a bright white light came into view changing to a bright color changing disk with neon blue and a red trailing edge. It moved overhead in a westerly direction slower than a meteorite with stark and bright colors. Then the object disappeared. HOUSTON, BC -- The witness clearly saw a cylinder shape object that was shiny and metallic flying near her farm. She video taped the object as it was heading away at 7 PM, on August 23, 2002. She caught a large bright light heading down behind the trees. Brian Vike reviewed the video that looked like a meteor in a TV movie where it is heading towards Earth with a contrail from the tip. It also had another very short tail coming out the back end, right in the center. It gave the impression of the flames coming from a fighter aircraft. The object was massive, and very bright moving across the sky rather slowly. A half hour later, she video taped another "large bright white" object rise up from behind the Telkwa Mountain range moving to the top, hovering and moving along the top of the range. She filmed until it went down behind the tress. Thanks to Brian Vike HBCC ARGENTINA UFO PURSUIT RIO CUARTO, C=D3RDOBA -- UFOs were spotted on September 7, and 9, 2002, A family traveling in a pickup truck near Cerro Aspero began noticing a "very intense red light in the sky at about 10:30 PM, "It was like an intense red beam...there were other flashes of great brightness behind it, which drew our attention." The front section of the luminous object had something resembling an arch of light, as though it were a circle of energy." The head of the family stated, At no time did his family feel fear, if they wanted to hurt us, they could have" The sighting lasted for several minutes and the object gave the impression that it was about to fall on top of us, but it headed toward the hills of Sampacho. For some years now, this region of southern C=F3rdoba province has been the source of anomalous nocturnal manifestations. Recently, intensification of alleged UFO appearances occurred with three significant cases reported. In Chaj=E1n the witness claims he stood eleven meters away from an object which he reckons "was 200 meters long." Thanks to Scott Corrale Translation (C) 2002. GERMANY FIVE BRIGHT LIGHTS, MOVING IN FORMATION BR=DCHL -- On September 13, 2002, the witness was standing at his roof window smoking a cigarette, and saw five lights slightly red in color over Southwest Germany. These were definitely not aircraft nor satellites. These lights were much brighter than a plane at altitude and they were moving, slowly to the south. The first formation was forming a 'W-shape' very similar to Cassiopeia. Then, the lowest object moved away from the other objects and disappeared. The higher three lights were moving from a triangle to a line. The right light was following the other two, by moving in a similar direction, while fading. The last 2 lights were first moving into each other, nearly forming a single bright light. The whole scene lasted ten minutes. Thanks to Peter Davenport ISRAEL DOZENS OF WEIRD ET INCIDENTS Residents of the towns of Kadima and Rishon Letzion have reported numerous sightings of UFOs for the last ten years. Some people have even claimed that UFOs have landed on their lawns. Circles were found on the landing sites, and Ufologists discovered silver-colored metal pieces and a red oil-like substance. Analysis of the substances showed that the silver- colored metal was pure silicon, which does not exist in nature. Cadmium was found in the oil. People also claim they saw tall baldheaded creatures coming out of the flying objects that rushed into houses, acting very aggressively. Hanna Sameh from the settlement of Burgatu could see her barking dog raised in the air; then it flew by the window and slammed into a wall. Hanna opened the door in order to see a tall, bald man. Who stated, "Your dog was bothering me, as you are now and I can do the same to you; get out of here!" Rishon Letzion, saw a strange flash and opened the door and bumped into tall creatures. They were wearing shiny gray clothes. Their faces were covered with a luminous haze. Kasatini shut the door but fell seriously ill for two days. He was given a medical examination, but the doctors did not find the reason for his mysterious illness. Aliens were seen in the settlement of Moshe Poret and destroyed all the domestic animals. Memuneh Guet found her little dog whining on the floor, someone had ripped his eyes out and the dog died several minutes later. Then the woman rushed to her barn and found all of her sheep dead. Someone drilled little holes in their heads. During 1995-1996, Israeli drivers were often the victims of aggressive aliens. Dozens of incidents have been reported since 1993. Thanks to Pravda Anomalia.Ru Translated by Dmitry Sudakov http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/13/36569.html FLYING SAUCERS FOLLOW MICK JAGGER PHILADELPHIA -- UFO specialist Mike Luckman says, "UFOs seem to follow Mick Jagger," who is in concert this week with the Rolling Stones, Mick and his friend Marianne Faithful saw a rare, cigar-shaped mother ship while camping at Glastonbury Tor in England in 1968. Mick kept setting off a UFO alarm whenever he left one of his estates in England," the author of "Close Encounters of a Musical Kind," (Pocket Books) said. At the Rolling Stones' notorious 1969 concert in Altamont, California, one UFO was even caught on tape. "You can see the crowd turning away from the stage and looking up at the sky, I have quite a few reports of UFOs showing up at other concerts. The music seems to attract them," Luckman is trying to cash in on music and aliens by producing a "Signal to Space: Countdown to Contact" concert next year at a yet-to-be-named outdoor amphitheater. "It is not inconceivable that we may get a message that will prove once and for all that we are not alone in the universe," he said. Thanks to Page Six, and the UFO Data Exchange at http://wakeup.to/ufos UFO DEFENSE TACTICS - WEATHER SHIELD TO CHEMTRAILS A. K. Johnstone, Ph.D., explores with evidence, the creation of a weather shield to deter UFOs from entering earth's atmosphere, as well as the erratic weather changes in recent years. Numerous UFO sightings are examined from a scientific viewpoint, including plasma sheaths and fireballs. Order illustrated book, $14.95 from Hancock House 1-800-938-1114. NEW JERSEY CONFERENCE Pat Marcatillio is holding a UFO conference in Bordentown, NJ on October 12 and 13 at the Days' Inn. Ingo Swann, David Jacobs, Tom Van Flandern, Jim Moseley, Bruce Maccabee and others will be speaking. Details are at--http://www.drufo.org. TO OBTAIN OPTIMUM HEALTH To help my readers I have started a program of good nutrition that is a customized way for you to maintain good health. Most of us do not have proper nutrition. Click *NUTRI-PHYSICAL to take your Health Analysis test, online. When you reach my website: Just click the blue Nutri-Physical at top of the page. Then push Start here by creating a Login Account! Give a name, and any password, to take the test. if you have questions: E- mail majorstar@aol.com. MUFON UFO JOURNAL -- For more detailed monthly investigative reports subscribe to the MUFON JOURNAL. A MUFON membership includes the Journal and costs only $35.00 per year. To join MUFON or to report a UFO go to http://www.mufon.com/. To ask questions contact MUFONHQ@aol.com or HQ@mufon.com. Mention that I recommended you for membership. Filer's Files is copyrighted 2002 by George A. Filer, all rights reserved. Readers may post the complete files on their Web Sites if they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the date of issue that the item appeared. These reports and comments are not necessarily the OFFICIAL MUFON viewpoint. Send your letters to Majorstar@aol.com. Sending mail automatically grants permission for us to publish and use your name. Please state if you wish to keep your name, address, or story confidential. CAUTION, MOST OF THESE ARE INITIAL REPORTS AND REQUIRE FURTHER INVESTIGATION. Regards, George Filer
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Secrecy News -- 09/25/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:15:59 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:23:51 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/25/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 93 September 25, 2002 ** KERREY ON IMAGERY DECLASSIFICATION ** SEPTEMBER 11 OVERSIGHT HEARINGS, CONT'D ** LAW ENFORCEMENT-INTELLIGENCE INFO SHARING ** HISTORICAL DOCUMENT DECLASSIFICATION KERREY ON IMAGERY DECLASSIFICATION Former Senator Bob Kerrey hailed the National Imagery and Mapping Agency's declassification last week of 50,000 historical intelligence satellite images and stressed the importance of declassification for promoting an informed public. "The greatest barrier to good domestic and foreign policies is the ignorance of the citizens whose opinions often dictate what our elected representatives are willing to do. Likewise the greatest asset for good policies is a solid foundation of citizens willing to make the effort to become informed," said Kerrey in the keynote address at a September 20 NIMA conference on imagery declassification. "Take the risk of declassifying even more of your images to the public," he told an audience of NIMA officials, government contractors, historians and others. "This counterintuitive proposal is based upon sixteen years in elected political life during which I experienced the terror of leaders not being able to act because the public wasn't informed." "I also experienced moments when the public suffered because policy makers made poor decisions due to the absence of a vigorous open debate," said Kerrey, who is now president of the New School University in New York City. "I believe strongly that it is at times necessary to keep secrets from the American people in order to protect vital national security. But there are times when secrecy creates an ignorance that conspires with fear against good public decision making." The full text of Senator Kerrey's keynote address is posted here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/kerrey.html SEPTEMBER 11 OVERSIGHT HEARINGS, CONT'D The latest installment of the congressional Joint Inquiry into September 11 describes how the FBI responded to an internal alert that individuals affiliated with al-Qa'ida were receiving flight training at U.S. flight schools. As in previous reports, the latest testimony includes numerous incidental findings of interest, such as: "The FBI recently determined that there are 68,000 outstanding and unassigned [investigative] leads assigned to the counterterrorism division dating back to 1995.... The counterterrorism division's management is currently looking into this situation." See "The FBI's Handling of the Phoenix Electronic Communication and Investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui Prior to September 11, 2002," presented by Joint Inquiry staff director Eleanor Hill on September 24 and posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092402hill.html The various obstacles encountered by the Joint Inquiry were described by Senator Richard Shelby on the Senate floor yesterday. "We are often arguing with agencies about who may or may not appear before our committees as late as the day before they are scheduled to appear. Witnesses are requested, refused, requested again, granted and then, at the last minute, refused again," said Sen. Shelby, explaining why he came to favor an independent commission to investigate September 11. The September 24 Senate floor debate culminated in a 90-8 vote in favor of establishing an independent commission. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092402.html The futility of many such commissions was pointed out by Sen. Trent Lott in a floor statement on September 23: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092302.html But while it is true that commissions can be a way of evading policy choices rather than advancing them, the one thing at which many commissions have excelled is compiling a documentary record and introducing new information into the public domain. LAW ENFORCEMENT-INTELLIGENCE INFO SHARING Attorney General John Ashcroft announced the issuance of new guidelines implementing the USA Patriot Act, "to coordinate information sharing between law enforcement and intelligence, homeland security, and other federal officials." The new guidelines were described in a September 23 Justice Department fact sheet which is available here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fs092302.html Several civil liberties organizations last week filed an amicus brief with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review. The brief endorses a lower court ruling that rejected the Justice Department's interpretation of the degree of cooperation between law enforcement and intelligence that is permitted by the USA Patriot Act. The civil liberties groups said the lower court got it right, and that the Justice appeal should be denied. See the September 19 amicus brief here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/091902FISCRbrief.pdf On the other hand, Senator Hatch and several conservative colleagues indicated in a statement published in the Congressional Record yesterday that the Justice Department was acting in accordance with the intent of the USA Patriot Act. See "The U.S.A. Patriot Act in Practice: Shedding Light on the FISA Process" here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/hatch-fisa.html HISTORICAL DOCUMENT DECLASSIFICATION There is a good deal of turmoil in the world of historical document declassification, judging by the July 2002 meeting minutes of the State Department Historical Advisory Committee (HAC), which were released today. The HAC oversees the preparation and publication of the Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS) series, which is the official documentary history of U.S. foreign policy. Some of the highlights of the latest minutes include: **"Marvin Russell (NARA) confirmed rumors that DOE reviewers at NARA have reclassified as RD/FRD (restricted data/formerly restricted data) declassified documents published in Foreign Relations volumes." This is remarkable, and could impose unanticipated legal obligations on public libraries and private individuals who have the "classified" FRUS volumes on their shelves. **Reporting on the state of classification policy, Information Security Oversight Office director Bill Leonard observed that "[other than] the General Counsel's office, no one in the Bush White House has shown a specific interest in the area of declassification, with the exception of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice." **As a result of a new memorandum of understanding, "CIA will receive the entire manuscript of all Foreign Relations volumes to review [in advance of publication].... The CIA commented that it was important for the Agency to see the entire manuscript so that the documents with CIA equity can be reviewed in the context of all the documents in the volume." This is unwelcome news, since CIA classification officials are known to take extreme, even irrational positions, claiming, for example, that declassification of the 1947 intelligence budget total could threaten U.S. national security today. ** A number of retrospective or supplemental FRUS volumes are in preparation -- on Guatemala, Iran, Congo, and the early history of the intelligence community. The volume on Iran, based on classified State and CIA documents, "will place Mossadegh's [1953] overthrow in the context of the growing U.S. involvement in Iranian domestic affairs at the beginning of the 1950s." "Iranians would take the publication of such a documentary volume as a sign of good will," ventured one historian. See the July 2002 State Historical Advisory Committee minutes here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/advisory/state/hac0702.html A 1992 law required "that the Secretary [of State] ensure that volumes in the [FRUS] series be published not more than 30 years after the events recorded," observed the new State Department authorization conference report. However, "a decade after the law was enacted, the Department remains out of compliance with this provision." See: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2002/frus.html _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:52:29 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:54:09 -0700 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:33:05 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:25:41 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>>From: Bill Stockstill <size14d@bigfoot.com> >>>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:27:47 -0400 >>>>>Subject: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>>http://www.scifi.com/taken/index_flash.html >><snip> >>Hello Jim, >>You wrote: >>>The one hope for this is the stuff that Budd and Dave et al have >>>hopefully NOT yet released into the media pipeline - the >>>"exoglyphs," and a couple of other common elements that seem to >>>crop up in various cases. >>Man don't get me started! I recently asked Greg Sandow if he had >>heard anything from Stuart Appelle regarding the "exoglyphs" as >>you call them. Both Greg and I worked hard to get Budd to submit >>that material to Stuart for analysis. One of the samples that >>was submitted came from me. Budd had six of those exoglyph >>samples (7 years ago) and I became number seven. I am more than >>a little curious about the results (if any) of that particular >>study. Greg never responded to my inquiry. Quite possibly >>because he doesn't have any news about them either. >>It's been three years with no word, and I _still_ haven't heard >>a peep out of any one as to what ever became of those samples, >>or, the proposed 'study.' >>Inquiring minds want to know! ;) Hi Jim, You wrote: >Yes, I just concluded a correspondence with Greg on that very >subject. He has, indeed, nothing to report. (But as usual he >reports it so eloquently). Ahh, the silver-tongued, silver haired menche himself. I publicly and unashamedly admit to being smitten with feelings for Greg that border on hero-worship. He's a joy of a human being. You don't get to meet many like him, as the Amish say, 'out there among the English.' :) >I was bugging Budd and Dave about >these a decade and more ago. "When are you going to release >these for independent study?" "Soon," said Budd; "When Budd >does," said Dave. <sigh> Sigh is right! I was like a burr in Budd's saddle about getting that 20 years worth of material that he has sitting around in file cabinets _properly cataloged_ and then out to the public. It was like pulling teeth. And it still hasn't been done! The sad truth is, until these guys depart this mortal coil and all that material gets passed along, then (maybe) we'll get to see all that is there. Or 'not there' as the case may be. :) Heads up: see my response to Greg Sandow regarding the 'exoglyphs' currently in Stuart Appelle's possession. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 25 Re: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases - Rosales From: Garuda79@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:20:05 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:53:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases - Rosales >From: Diana Cammack <cammack@eomw.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Latest 2002 Mostly Humanoid Cases >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:05:02 +0300 >>From: Albert Rosales <Garuda79@aol.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:40:34 EDT >>Subject: latest update for 2002, assorted cases, mostly humanoid <snip> >Where did this list of humanoids come from? What are the 'type >a', 'type b', etc., supposed to mean? (what is the typology?) >have these types been cross referenced in other ways, e.g., area >of the world, dates, type of UFO seen at approx same time if >any, etc., etc.? >Diana (in Malawi) Well the type B and A and E, etc is really an old system that should be improved. More specifically type B is a report of a humanoid or entity seen coming in and out of a UFO. But there are more updated typologies now. It comes from the old HUMCAT catalog. Albert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:45:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:49:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>The downside being, of course, that the more people are aware of >>the phenomenon, the harder it will be to filter out the genuine >>experiencers from those that are simply influenced by >>overexposure of the phenomenon through the media. <snip> >It's actually not quite as hard as you might think. There is >still no broadly accepted set of criteria that one can use as a >kind of yardstick to help in identifying the 'real thing,' but >it isn't impossible. <snip> >I agree with you though... there are damn few of those pristine >'indicators' left that haven't been published somewhere by >someone. >>It was great >>when we had exactly one famous case, the Hills, against which >>new incoming cases such as Walton and Moody could be compared. >>Now my five- year-old granddaughter could probably come up with >>a scenario reasonably close to the "classic", just through media >>exposure. >Experience counts for a lot Jim. 'Most people' wouldn't be able >to put one past an experienced goalie that has studied several >thousand reports. Much less anyone who has spent _years_ >communicating one on one and conducting lengthy interviews with >"experiencers." >But again, I have to agree with you that dissemination by the >media of the many details that are directly associated with UFO >abduction have made the job of identifying potentially 'legit' >cases much more difficult than it was say, fifteen or twenty >years ago. The problem is discerning the reals from the fakes (or 'mis-abductions', analogue of misidentifications) is illustrated by my book, Abduction In My Life. In that book I wrote an abduction sequence (among other things) which is apparently so convincing that many people strongly hinted that they believed I was "coming out" or in an indirect way describing my own experience. One guy asked me if had reported my experience to MUFON or some other UFO group. What I wrote was a unique story... not a reproduction of any presumed actual abduction reported as yet (so far as I know, and no one has compared it to any other). Yet it was all "made up." (Of course, the "fact book" that is built into the novel was not made up.)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Re: Filer's Files #39 - 2002 - Balaskas From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:21:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:11:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Filer's Files #39 - 2002 - Balaskas >From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:38:05 EDT >Subject: Filer's Files #39 - 2002 <snip> >GENERAL DOUGLAS MAC ARTHUR, stated in 1955,"The nations of the >world will have to unite for the next war will be an >interplanetary war. The nations of Earth must someday make a >common front against attack by people from other planets" <snip> Hi George! Hi everyone! On September 7, Don Ledger, Grant Cameron and I were three of Errol's guests on 'Strange Days... Indeed', his weekly radio program about UFOs. We discussed many things such as the continuing UFO alerts on Parliament Hill in Ottawa involving the RCMP which were sent to protect our government representatives. I also mentioned the story below. In the summer of 1951, news reporters and photographers waiting for the arrival of General George C. Marshal (then U.S. Secretary of State) in Mexico City saw and took pictures and film of three saucer-shaped craft over the airport. This UFO incident was quickly covered up. When Marshall was asked for the reasons for the continued denials and censorship of the existence of flying saucers, he replied that the U.S.A. wanted her people to concentrate on the real menace, Communism, and not to be distracted by the visitors from outer space. (see FSR, July/August 1979). If terrorism has now replaced Communism as the real menace, we may not be any closer to UFO disclosure than we were half a century ago and there are reasons to suspect that U.S. President Bush (and especially his father who was once head of the CIA) knows more about UFOs and alien activity (including anal probes) than he wants to reveal to the public. Lester B. Pearson (UN diplomat, past-Prime Minister of Canada and a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize) also expressed similar views to those of General Douglas MacArthur (not to mention two recent presidents of the U.S.A. and Russia). In an April 13, 1998 e-mail to UFO UpDates I wrote that in his Nobel Prize acceptance speech, delivered in Oslo, Norway, 11 Dec. 1957, Pearson made the following observation: "Perhaps there is a hopeful possibility here in the conquest of outer space. Interplanetary activity may well give us planetary peace. Once we discover Martian spaceships hovering over Earth's air-space, we will all come together. "How dare they threaten us like this!" we shall shout, as one, at a really United Nations!" Nick Balaskas P.S. By the way, did you know that the first reported sighting of a flying saucer in Canada happened on June 26, 1947 over Ottawa - just two days after the famous Arnold sighting in the U.S.? This sighting resulted in the first, pre-Wilbert B. Smith era, official investigation into UFOs - much before the well known post-Roswell UFO crash projects in the U.S.. Although there are references to this investigation (eg. an Ottawa newspaper article) I have not been able to find further details of this early Canadian UFO project in the archives. Just as it is not a rumour that Canadians mined, refined, shaped and delivered to the U.S. the uranium core for the top secret Manhatten Project atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, there is documentary evidence that Canadians were very much involved, along with the U.S., in early top secret studies of flying saucers, including the examination and testing of extraterrestrial hardware and alien bodies.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Synthetic Orthophoto Of Mars Face From: Lan Fleming <lfleming5@houston.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:35:07 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:22:45 -0400 Subject: Synthetic Orthophoto Of Mars Face I wrote some software to convert the 2001 MGS Face image to an 'orthophotograph' based strictly on the stereographic elevation estimates for various points on the Face that I derived previously. The article is at: http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/face/orthophoto/ortho.htm The results are no 'H-bomb', but I think they're interesting. The distortions in the NASA 'enhancements' of the 2001 image have been removed, and it is quite similar to the 20-meter resolution visible light Odyssey image (essentially, a lower resolution orthophoto) taken last April, but at a resolution closer to the original 2001 MGS image. The 'ortho-rectification' I did was based solely on the stereographic data and was constructed in a way that was completely independent of the Odyssey image.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Hatch Website & Email Down For A Few Hours From: Larry Hatch <larry@LARRYHATCH.NET> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:26:05 -0700 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:25:19 -0400 Subject: Hatch Website & Email Down For A Few Hours Hello all: Due to work on the servers at the Host ISP for my website, the *U* UFO Database website, and email routed thru there <(whatever)@larryhatch.net> will be down for a few hours starting around midnite Thursday AM CDT. All should be well by dawn if not sooner. Emails will most likely be put on hold and come thru later. If not, or if there is anything urgent, please use this temporary email address: <larryhatch@sysmatrix.net> which goes directly to my dial-up ISP, an end-run around the website host. Thanks! - Larry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Exoglyphs [was: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website] From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:54:12 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:33:57 -0400 Subject: Exoglyphs [was: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website] >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:31:57 -0400 >Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:19:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez <snip> >But, if _nobody_ is going to study the samples, then I consider >it a responsibility to provide samples to any researchers that >may be actively/responsibly conducting similar analysis. >As someone with a deep interest in the findings of such a study, >it's not very comforting to hear that all of that data/material >is languishing somewhere in Stuart's office. Especially while >others scour the globe trying to collect a few samples for their >own studies. Hi John and List, Thanks for bringing this topic back into focus John et al. Recently I co-authored an article with Dr. Mark Newbrook in MUFON Journal #411 on the 'Alien Semiotics Project', John; and what we are currently doing and hope to do with samples of alleged alien semiotics - including 'exoglyphs'. When time permits we will be writing other relevant articles. It has not been easy generating scientific interest and curiosity from cryptanalysts, linguisticians and phoneticians as well as psycholinguistic experts. The latter, being the very field where the tests which Stuart Appelle suggested should be done! Some prominent people have volunteered their services from all of the above fields and are willing to work closely with abductees/witnesses, some discreetly. I have taken up this gauntlet, virtually un-sung and with no commercial goals, no ulterior motives and been at it for three years facing all kinds of set-backs and crap in the process (could have written an interesting book over two years back; but think the scientific end is more important to cover before widespread media saturation occurs in an area that already suffers from serious confabulation and pitfalls). Some things take time and what I've found prominently frustrating - and to the detriment of Ufology - is, particularly, that some abduction researchers are unwilling to submit samples from their files - even anonymously and when the abductee has already given permission. Others are also deliberately putting false alleged alien symbols out there to distract and confuse. On record I have two researchers who admit doing this; and with nothing better intended for them than to write a book sometime in the future and admittedly without including any real expert input. John, I have collected hundreds of samples and reference from around the globe, of alleged 'exoglyphs,' phones, insignia and motifs. All organised into data sets and already being scrutinised. If you ever visit England, John, come and look through them. I have interviewed and corresponded widely with anyone who can add to our project. We have also gone through hundreds of UFO books, magazines and journals searching out new and old reference and noting all the linguistic components or commentaries. It is surprising how much of this there actually is, it can only really be given a proper analyses and commentary by linguistic experts in respect of every sample or reference. We have compiled indexes of the cases and lists of nomenclature of this information, including alleged alien place names, alleged alien names, alien phones and are looking at them very closely, comparing them and sorting them out. Thanks to Martin Kottmeyer for sending his alien name list for us to use compare and cross reference with ours - which has made at least one exercise easier. We are also planning various experiments to test this aspect of the abduction phenomenon. Best Regards Gary Anthony A one armed juggler with six balls in the air.....
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Falsified and Fabricated Data From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:58:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:22 -0400 Subject: Falsified and Fabricated Data : : : Hi everyone! For those who remember American Computer Company's wild claims a few years back that the Bell Labs scientists who invented the transistor in 1947 actually got help from alien technology recovered from crashed UFOs (and the even wilder claims about Errol), may be interested in the story below. The Bell Labs/ Lucent (Lucifer Enterprises?) Technology researcher mentioned in the article below also worked on their new organic transistors. PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 606 September 25, 2002 by Phillip F. Schewe, Ben Stein, and James Riordon BELL LABS/LUCENT RESEARCHER DID FABRICATE DATA. The committee of independent scientists investigating charges of misconduct in the way certain Lucent experiments were performed or reported in scientific journals issued its report today. The committee asserts that "The evidence that manipulation and misrepresentation of data occurred is compelling." They conclude that Hendrik Schon, but not the co-authors on his many articles, falsified and fabricated data. (Lucent press release with links to the committee report: http://www.lucent.com/news_events/researchreview.html.) The September 2002 issue of 'Physics Today' has a three page story about another researcher, this one at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, who also falsified and fabricated data in the discovery of Element 118 (which subsequently decayed to Element 116), a discovery which was later retracted. This announcement caused some excitement among ufologists at the time who reconsidered Bob Lazar's wild claims regarding Element 115 and the ET crafts he worked on. Yes, many scientists have made honest mistakes or allow their personal biases or misjudgements to lead to erroneous conclusions or findings which are false. Fortunately there does not seem to be many dishonest ones but the few we now know of may only be the ones that got caught. I think there are many more - recall the many papers which were published by scientists at many different research institutions who confirmed the discovery of N rays. There are no such thing as N rays...but the jury is still out regarding a UFO crash near Roswell in 1947. Nick Balaskas
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Pravda On Stephen Bassett's Election Campaign From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 05:57:04 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:56:29 -0400 Subject: Pravda On Stephen Bassett's Election Campaign Source: Pravda http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/25/37217.html Stig *** 2002.09.25/15:30 UFO POLITICS 102: AN UPDATE Three months ago, on June 19, PRAVDA.Ru published an interview with one of the most interesting politicians in America. His name is Stephen Bassett, and he is running for the position of congressman for the eighth district of Maryland. Mr. Bassett is best known as an UFO activist. He believes that the United States government is keeping secrets regarding the existence of UFOs and ET from the American public. Stephen Bassett's campaign is called Disclosure 2003. Bassett is of the opinion that that the US government will eventually come clean about what it knows, as so many Americans no longer believe what the US government says on the issue. Because our first interview with Stephen Bassett was so popular, we decided to follow up and find out how his campaign is coming along. Mr. Bassett. As you know, the last interview did generate a great deal of interest among our readers. Because of this, we decided that it would be interesting to follow up and see how your campaign is coming along. In your opinion, is your message getting through to the people you are trying to reach? First an update on what happened since our last interview on June 19. On August 5, two volunteers accompanied me to Annapolis Maryland, where we delivered to the Maryland State Board of Elections 5,177 signatures in service of the legal requirement that 1% of the registered voters of a congressional district must sign in nomination of an independent candidate for the House of Representatives. 3,373 signatures had to be certified as valid by the Board. 3,372 would not be enough. On August 16, the State Board of Elections gave notice that on the first count 3,567 signatures were validated -- another count would not be necessary. None of this would have been possible unless two-dozen volunteers had not collected signatures for three months throughout the 8th District of Maryland during one of the hottest Washington Metro area summers in history. The heat index was consistently over 100. As a consequence of their dedication, for the first time in American political history, a candidate will be on the November ballot of a federal election who will speak directly to the FACT of an extraterrestrial presence and the government imposed embargo on the truth of that FACT. The Disclosure2003 campaign is trying to reach all Americans who want their government to get back in the truth business. They are the target audience, and polls have consistently shown that approximately 50% of the public now believe the phenomena being seen worldwide represent an extraterrestrial presence and 80% are convinced the government is lying to the public about the issue. Therefore, in a sense, the core message of the campaign is already out there. What is new is these issues are now being brought forward in the context of a congressional election. The campaign has received considerable national and international attention (see "Media Coverage" at the D2003 website( www.disclosure2003.net), and pressure is mounting on the local media to get off their butt and cover this extraordinary story. In fact your readers can have some impact here. On the top page of the D2003 website, there are links to the top political television interview venues and the local print media. People from all around the world are contacting these programs and newspapers and requesting I be a guest on these programs and the print media cover this campaign. I know this because they copy me with their emails and letters. It makes a difference. It seems that there is quite a bit of interest regarding UFOs throughout the world. For instance, many pravda.ru articles dealing covering UFOs and/or aliens are often very popular. Do you feel that interest in this subject is growing, or has it always been at such a high level? Interest in UFO/ET phenomena and the "Politics of Disclosure" has never been higher. This is due to many factors. These include: - The airing and re-airing of an expanding library of documentaries at the Learning, History, Discovery, Fox and A&E cable channels. - The work of a growing cadre of excellent documentary producers and directors such as Tim Coleman, James Fox, Kevin Barry, William Gazecki, Christopher Toussaint and many others. - Important new books which are providing summary understanding of the key issues such as Missing Times by Terry Hansen, UFOs and the National Security State by Richard Dolan, and The UFO/FBI Connection by Dr. Bruce Maccabee. - The groundbreaking work of the Disclosure Project to present the testimony of dozens of government and agency employees collectively confirming an extraterrestrial presence. - The never ending output from Hollywood of relevant entertainment such as Contact, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, 2001: Space Odyssey, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, Communion, and of particular note, Steven Spielberg's upcoming, massive, 20-hour mini- series, Taken, which begins in December of this year. - The extraordinary power of website based research to reach around the world with new information. A key current example would be Grant Cameron's work at the Presidents UFO Web Site. - And most importantly, the relentless pursuit of the truth by activists such as Larry Bryant, Dr. Steven Greer, Richard Hoagland, Michael Bara, Peter Gersten, Norio Hayakawa, Frances Knize, Elaine Douglas, Remy Chevalier, John Greenewald, Jr., and many, many others. I read with great interest an article about you and your campaign on the ENN (Environmental News Network) web site. It seems that this organization feels that your campaign could have an impact regarding environmental issues. This organization believes that your campaign could cause the release of secrets regarding "zero point energy," which, in their opinion, could be an alternative to fossil fuels. Do you share this opinion? Do you also think of yourself as an environmentalist? Every human being on the planet should think of himself or herself as an "environmentalist," and if they don't, they had better soon. At the very center of the truth embargo lies this simple deductive process. (1) UFOs have been proven to be extraterrestrial craft; (2) these craft must have a propulsion system and an energy system; (3) their flight performance strongly indicates technology well beyond human capabilities; (4) one or more of these craft have crashed, and witnesses have reported seeing extraterrestrial or human created copies of such craft within government facilities, as well as operating over government facilities such as Area 51 (which were filmed); and (5) Lt. Col. Philip Corso in his memoir, The Day After Roswell, clearly stated that some extraterrestrial-derived technological concepts were transferred to the commercial arena under his guidance, but the energy and propulsion systems were not among these technologies. Therefore, it is quite appropriate to conclude the Unite States government has in its possession and may be reengineering extraterrestrial propulsion and energy technology with profound capabilities. Without disclosure, it is unlikely the world's people will know whether these technologies can mitigate the human suffering and environmental damage now endemic to the planet. Therefore, disclosure has major potential implications to the planet and all life on it. For one reason or the other, many people feel that the issue of UFOs and ET life is somewhat of a joke. In your opinion, why is this the case? Also, how have you been received while campaigning? While the number of people worldwide who takes this issue seriously grows every day, there are many who do not. The reason for this is simple: a government orchestrated management of the issue since the 1940's. Propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, covert actions, subversion, disruption and misdirection were used to embargo the core truth during the Cold War. It was the view (perhaps correctly so) of the United States government that introduction of the extraterrestrial reality during this period of nuclear deterrence - mutual assured destruction (MAD) - was too risky. [Note: to properly understand this embargo, it is essential that all who care, particularly journalists, read Terry Hansen's Missing Times: News Media Complicity in the UFO Cover-up.] The Cold War is over. It's time to move on. My campaign is being covered worldwide and being taken seriously by those who have taken the time to review the D2003 website I have no reason to think this is going to change as Election Day draws near. Your campaign deals with many other issues besides UFOs and ET. Have people shown an interest in any of the other issues you talk about? If so, which ones are people most interested in? The "Politics of Disclosure" has implications for a range of national concerns. All of these implications revolve around secrecy, privacy, intrusion, citizen empowerment, and governmental abuse of power. The D2003 campaign will address these concerns, tie them together, and make the case to the American people why the government imposed truth embargo must end next year. To do this, a set of core themes have been presented. These are not simple themes, but complexity is not justification for issues of great importance to fall between the cracks of partisan politics or to be set aside in the interest of winning a seat in the Congress. They are the following: - Repairing the fundamental relationships within the social contract - Secrecy / intelligence reform - Restoring citizen trust: getting government back in the truth business - The criminalizing of the American people: ending the "war on drugs" - Separating journalism from the national security infrastructure - The empowerment of women - "Transparent government, private citizenry" Without question, the subsidiary theme drawing the most comment refers to the "War on Drugs" - a social and political abomination, which must be ended immediately. One thing that I always wanted to ask about is a piece of history. During WWII, there were the so-called "foo-fighters." It is said that these craft were secret levitating lighted globes that Germany produced to pace Allied aircraft. However, some say that the German military did not possess this kind of technology and these craft were not of German origin. What do you know about this subject? The "Foo-Fighters" have never been explained by conventional science and remain a component of extraterrestrial phenomena research - one of many. Much as been written on this subject. Your readers are invited to search for source material in the bibliography section of the Paradigm Clock website (http://www.paradigmclock.com/bibliography.html). Will you have the chance to participate in debates with the Republican and Democratic candidates? It seems that such debates could really help you make the public aware you and your campaign. Several organizations have refused to invite me to their debate forums including, to its everlasting shame, Common Cause of Maryland. The American people would be wise to reverse the national trend of excluding independent and third party candidates from debates and from media coverage. Ralph Nader, who relentlessly tried to warn the American people about corporate greed and abuse of power, was kept out of the presidential debates. Perhaps those who now stare blankly at their ruined pensions and empty bank accounts, would wish now prefer he had been able to participate. That said, debate/forum invites have been received and accepted. All of that is being tracked at the D2003 website. Your readers can help here by contacting the local print media and demanding my inclusion in the upcoming debates held in the 8th District of Maryland. Has the foreign press paid much attention to your campaign? Yes, the UK, Canada, Russia, Mexico, and Germany have covered or are about to cover the D2003 campaign. This is all being tracked at the D2003 website under "Media Coverage." And, of course, the website is receiving hits from all over the world. Do you have any plans after your campaign? Of course. The political activism will continue unabated. As you know, I expect the U.S. government to hold a disclosure event next year. That's why the campaign is called Disclosure2003. The conditions are optimal from the government's perspective, and there are now substantial benefits to all parties. If disclosure doesn't take place by June of 2003, I will declare a new independent candidacy for the House of Representatives, which will be called Disclosure2005. Also, every effort is being made to raise funding for the D2003 campaign and for X-PPAC, the Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee. Until next year, campaign contributions are still limited to a ridiculous $1000 per person (next year, $2000, which is still too low). But the contribution limit for PACs is $5000. All contributions to X-PPAC will be use to continue the political activism after the election is over, but no X-PPAC funds will be used for the D2003 or D2005 campaigns. There are many people willing to fight on the behalf of the American people for truth in government. If the people will support these efforts with funding, they will get the truth. Is there anything else you would like to add? Sure, how much disk space have you got? Just kidding. How about some info on upcoming speaking engagements your readers might like to attend? On Saturday, September 28, I will be speaking to the National UFO Conference at the Kings Island Resort near Cincinnati. On Friday, October 11, I will speak in San Francisco at a presentation set up by the Friendly Favors network (see "Events") -- an absolutely extraordinary networking group at the cutting edge of the social and political aspects of the internet revolution. Much more will happen between now and Election Day, November 5, and I will be happy to provide another update for your readers later in October. Mr. Bassett, we at PRAVDA.Ru are very grateful for the interview! ** Questions compiled by Justin Cowgill For information about Mr. Bassett and his Disclosure2003 campaign, please visit his campaign website at www.disclosure2003.net Related Link: PRAVDA.Ru UFO Politics: PRAVDA.Ru Interviews Stephen Bassett =A91999 "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to Pravda.RU should be made.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Disclosure2003 Campaign Update - September 26 From: Stephen Bassett <Disclosure2003@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:27:51 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: Disclosure2003 Campaign Update - September 26 D I S C L O S U R E 2 0 0 3 MD 8th District Congressional Campaign of Stephen Bassett Update - September 26 Reminder You can help the campaign by contacting the media shown on the page below and requesting an invitation to guest on the program to discuss issues no other candidate in the country will touch. www.disclosure2003.net/Help_Options.htm#TV Upcoming Speaking Events National UFO Conference - Cincinnati - September 28 http://home.fuse.net/ufo/NUFOC Candidate Forum - October 7, Monday 6- 9:00 pm People's Community Baptist Church 31 Norwood Road, Silver Spring, Maryland, 20905 Hope Johnson 202-662-2271 Lecture - San Francisco - October 11 www.favors.org/display/events.php?new=1032979500&login_group=FF Media Coverage A new candidate interview is up at the Pravda website. http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/25/37217.html Access Denied Certain venues have refused to invite Stephen Bassett to their debate/forum and certain media are still withholding coverage. This resistance is a slap in the face to the 80,000 voters in the 8th District who are registered as "independent" (18%) and the 5200 voters who signed the D2003 nominating petition. This shameful behavior is being tracked at: www.disclosure2003.net/Debates-Forums.htm#access Gloves have Come Off From this point forward editors, producers and political debate organizers are being contacted directly and confronted on their failure to practice open minded and balanced democracy and ethical journalism. So far they have done little more then hem, haw and squirm. They really have no defense and don't know what to say. Good. Bay Area UFO Expo - September 14-15 The candidate was well received at the Santa Clara conference. There is considerable support for the D2003 campaign in the Bay Area - so much so a campaign staffer will remain on the West Coast to network and raise funds. If you are on the Coast and would like to connect with Richard Scheck, he can be reached at: rhs529@yahoo.com Important Update Coming A very important update regarding a powerful networking breakthrough is forthcoming. Regards, Stephen Bassett _________________________________________________ Transparent government, private citizenry _________________________________________________ Campaign Headquarters Bethesda/Gaithersburg 4938 Hampden Lane, #161 Bethesda, MD 20814 Phone: 301-990-4290 Fax: 301-990-1099 Email: Disclosure2003@aol.com Website: www.disclosure2003.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:23:33 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:23:33 -0400 Subject: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/news_releases/archives/news09180204.html Sep 18, 2002 Aliens bring message of hope and goodwill to humanity Met an alien yet? Your chances of encountering a real live Martian seem to have improved dramatically since 1970, when a mere 300 encounters were reported around the world. Today, with tens of thousands of alien encounters being reported each year, it=92s hard not to feel overlooked if you haven=92t yet heard a mutant message. Never fear: Krista Henriksen is here, and she has a pretty good grasp of what the aliens are telling people. Henriksen, now working in St. John=92s, Newfoundland, recently earned her masters degree in anthropology from SFU. For her thesis, Alien Encounters: A close analysis of personal accounts of extraterrestrial experiences, Henrikson interpreted the written stories of 60 men and women who claim to have met with alien life forms. Although Henriksen says she is "personally highly skeptical" that aliens have been in touch with earthlings, her research "suggested that aliens bring a pretty standard message of hope and goodwill. There are four key themes to their messages. The first is that the person receiving the message is in some way chosen or special=97they have a purpose in life. Second is the message that that person is not alone; someone cares for them. Third is the idea that the world is at risk, but the recipient has the power to affect change. And finally, there are few aliens who bring malevolent messages, but they are definitely in the minority." As an undergraduate archaeology student at the University of Alberta, Henriksen minored in religious studies, and developed "an intense interest in faith and belief systems." Her interest in aliens was sparked during a summer road trip with a friend who was reading about a particular group of highly sociable aliens known as Pleiadians. "From an academic point of view, it=92s easy to dismiss marginal or fringe groups like the people who believe they=92ve been abducted by aliens," says Henriksen. "It=92s much more work to try to understand where they are coming from, what motivates them. But that=92s what anthropology is all about: studying those who aren=92t us so that we are better able to understand ourselves." Henriksen believes the "whole phenomenon is a direct reflection of the search for meaning in western society." She notes that along with the increase in reported alien encounters, "there has been a correspondent explosion in new religious movements in North America." She sees a "direct link" between alien believers and the followers of New Age and evangelical Christians: "they are all vibrant communities, deeply committed and vocal, with an active web presence, and frequent opportunities for social get- togethers." A member of the United Church of Canada herself, Henriksen says she prefers her "religion old, tried and true, with a solid theological foundation and a long history." Still, she was impressed by the faith evident in the stories of alien contact: "I think it=92s just another way of making sense of pain and loneliness. Everyone wants to find to the place where they belong." Even if it is in outer space. -30- CONTACT Krista Henrisken, khenriks@sfu.ca
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:39:07 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:25:42 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:53:15 -0700 >Subject: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >I've added another supporting page to the trajectory hoax one. >This details how Charles Moore altered the original Mogul Flight >#5 trajectory plot, possibly to support his claim that Roswell >base knew nothing of Project Mogul. >Flight #5 passed only 4 miles south of Roswell base on June 5, >1947, according to the original Mogul plot. When doing his own >graphics, Moore claimed that "The plot for Flight #5 was taken >without change.." from the original graphic. But Moore removed >the location of Roswell base as marked on the original plot. >Then he substituted Roswell town in its place 6 miles to the >north, but mislocated it 2 or 3 miles too far west. Finally he >altered the crash location marked on the original plot, moving >it 13 miles further east. >The effect of these manipulations of the original graphic was to >make it appear that Flight #5 never got closer than 10 miles to >"Roswell" and also crashed about 31 miles east of "Roswell", >instead of about 15 or 16 miles east of Roswell base as shown on >the original plot. (Moore also lied about Flight 5's approach to >Roswell base in a recent e-mail debate with Brad Sparks, >claiming it never came closer than 15 or 20 miles. Karl Pflock, >one of Moore's champions, acted as an intermediary between >Sparks and Moore.) >Details at: >http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4and5_changes.html >This shows scans of the original Mogul plots and Moore's >alterations. You can compare them side by side. It also compares >his Flight #4 trajectory from 1995 with his revised one from >1997. The 1995 plot, which the skeptics were all originally >raving about, appears to be nothing more than a free- hand >sketch and guessed wind directions. When Moore got more detailed >wind data from a nearby weather station, his 1995 "model" fell >apart, because the winds were different from what he originally >assumed. Moore then started flip-flopping on his original logic >and stretching his assumptions (not to mention keeping 2 sets of >books) to make his new, improved 1997 model work. This resulted >in his "calculated" trajectory "exactly" to the Foster ranch >which he presented in his book "UFO Crash at Roswell: The >Genesis of a Modern Myth." >Moore's 1995 graphic of Flights #4 & #5 was included in Appendix >G of Karl Plfock's 2001 book, "Roswell: Inconvenient Facts and >the Will to Believe." I've also added some of Pflock's spin- > doctoring of Moore's 1995 model to the introduction of my >primary Flight 4 page: >http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Flight4_trajectory.html >Considering how Moore has played fast and loose with the facts >not to mention promoting his Flight 4 hoax, the subtitles of >Moore's and Pflock's books are ironic if not amusing. David & List, One asks: Where are all the loud, vocerifious, Mogelites who just railed on anybody and everybody that would dare claim that it wasn't Mogel? They all suggested or claimed that they were willing to look at any/all/new evidence. Gee suddenly they are deathly silent. What this reminds me of was years ago when folks were promoting various storys about how mass landings were going to happen in the desert sw on April 24th 1997. When they proved to be bogus we never heard another word out of them or we heard some rationalization as to why they thought.... I would suspect we are going to hear very little if anything from the Mogelites as their cherished theory (which at the very best was 17 miles short) has popped, been exposed to the sunlight and is now withering away into meaningless drival. Thanks to David for his research and time. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Ugently Seeking Pauline Delcour Min From: Philip Mantle <philip.mantle@eidosnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:22:32 +0100 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:37:22 -0400 Subject: Ugently Seeking Pauline Delcour Min Dear colleagues, I wonder if you could possibly help me. I am desperately seeking a telephone number of UK therapist Pauline Delcour Min. I met Pauline at this weekends UFO CONFERENCE in Leeds where she informed me she now lives in/near Newcastle. I need to speak with her ASAP. If anyone has her phone number in particular or alternatively an e-mail or snail mail address, could you please contact me at once on: e-mail: philip.mantle@eidosnet.co.uk tele: 01924 441411 Address: 1 Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire, WF17 7SW. Yours sincerely, Philip Mantle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Master's Thesis On UFO Abductions From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:47:41 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:38:44 -0400 Subject: Master's Thesis On UFO Abductions I was just interviewed by a reporter seeking a slant on a news release out of Simon Fraser University about a student's Master's Thesis on UFO abductions. The release can be found at: http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/news_releases/archives/news09180204.html "Aliens bring message of hope and goodwill to humanity" Basically, the author says that alien abductions are "religious" experiences, claimed by people who are feeling "pain and loneliness" in their lives and needing to feel "special." I pointed out that this is an echo of the contactee themes of the 1950s, which I would hope the author mentions. Nobody in particular
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:38:30 +0200 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:40:35 -0400 Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:42:11 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax >>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:24:13 +0200 >>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax - >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:31 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: New Roswell Proof: Mogul Trajectory Hoax <snip> >What we end up with is none of the July Mogul flights seeming to >fit the story profile. And the June Moguls were all a month too >early, plus no storm activity. >I have also considered the idea of a saucer somehow getting >tangled up with a Mogul (a theory, ironically enough, first >advanced by Karl Pflock). But unless there were some other >balloons we don't know about or the Mogul records were doctored >in some way, none of the flights seems to match with this >person's story. Hello, David Thank you again for this very precise information. This testimony that I mentioned becomes another enigma to me. I cannot discard it completely, because I trust the person who told me the story. A possible explanation might be that the witness had heard somehow of a balloon train and had mixed the two stories - ufo crash and balloon crash - in his memory. But I don't find that very convincing either. BTW, he also told that that members of the retrieval team had been strictly forbidden to talk about it. Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 26 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:45:27 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:49:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>The downside being, of course, that the more people are aware of >>the phenomenon, the harder it will be to filter out the genuine >>experiencers from those that are simply influenced by >>overexposure of the phenomenon through the media. <snip> >It's actually not quite as hard as you might think. There is >still no broadly accepted set of criteria that one can use as a >kind of yardstick to help in identifying the 'real thing,' but >it isn't impossible. <snip> >I agree with you though... there are damn few of those pristine >'indicators' left that haven't been published somewhere by >someone. >>It was great >>when we had exactly one famous case, the Hills, against which >>new incoming cases such as Walton and Moody could be compared. >>Now my five- year-old granddaughter could probably come up with >>a scenario reasonably close to the "classic", just through media >>exposure. >Experience counts for a lot Jim. 'Most people' wouldn't be able >to put one past an experienced goalie that has studied several >thousand reports. Much less anyone who has spent _years_ >communicating one on one and conducting lengthy interviews with >"experiencers." >But again, I have to agree with you that dissemination by the >media of the many details that are directly associated with UFO >abduction have made the job of identifying potentially 'legit' >cases much more difficult than it was say, fifteen or twenty >years ago. The problem is discerning the reals from the fakes (or 'mis-abductions', analogue of misidentifications) is illustrated by my book, Abduction In My Life. In that book I wrote an abduction sequence (among other things) which is apparently so convincing that many people strongly hinted that they believed I was "coming out" or in an indirect way describing my own experience. One guy asked me if had reported my experience to MUFON or some other UFO group. What I wrote was a unique story... not a reproduction of any presumed actual abduction reported as yet (so far as I know, and no one has compared it to any other). Yet it was all "made up." (Of course, the "fact book" that is built into the novel was not made up.)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:43:21 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:01:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:31:21 -0400 >Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:08:05 +0000 >>Subject: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>Folks, >>I know its been covered before but, I'd like you to look at >>this: >>http://www.ufovideo.com/videos/analysis.php >>Download the August 6, 1997 video that has the building >>stablized. I did this process a few years back. When watching >>the clip you'll notice that when the saucer rotates next to the >>building it pops up and down quickly. Basically hopping up >>and down rapidly. This is hard to notice with the orginal clip. >>Deconstructing the video I find it hard to believe this is >>merely a screw-up made by the 'video animator' placing the >>object into a composite shot. The up and down jerking could be a >>screw-up, but why only up and down? If the animator didn't >>place the object properly in the video, it should have the >>same jerking effect, left, right and diagonally, but it >>doesn't. >>I know Jeff Sanio dismissed the entire event because of a couple >>of out-of-focus stills with the saucer and the building. I saw >>those stills when I hand stabilized the video. I noticed the >>background was also out of focus along with the saucer and it >>didn't seem out of place. However I dismissed Jeff's analysis as >>being mistaken since he didn't explain the eyewitnesses. >>Take a look yourself and make your own conclusions. >Sainio also made a stabilized video, back in 1998. <snip> Where is his stabilized video? Did you see it? Any chance MUFON would release it on the web? >It wasn't a problem with focus that Sainio discovered, it was a >problem of "differential image smear". Specifically, the UFO >image was never or almost never smeared by random camera motion >while the building edges were almost always smeared, at least a >small amount. >Sainio looked at the differential smear throughout the whole >video and found that, on the average, the building images were >smeared more than the UFO image. There are a couple of frames >near the beginning where the differential smear is obvious: the >edge of the building and the small wind sock on top of the >building (yes, windsocks on the buildings) are very blurred but >the UFO image is not. This occurs as the UFO moves toward the >right, approaching the left edge of the first building. >The image of the edge of the building suddenly moves (downward?) >from one frame to the next, blurring the image of the top edge >of the building and the image of the wind sock , while the image >of the UFO (the edges of the image) remain unblurred. >If the UFO were a real object "out there" beyond the building, >this differential blur could occur only if the UFO suddenly >moved with the random motion of the camera in such a way as to >remain at the same location in the field of view of the camera >even though the building image changed its position. That is, >the UFO would have to track the motion of the camera. And this >is in the time of one frame, 1/30 sec. Actually, in less than >the time of one frame the UFO would have had to "jump" downwards >many feet (I don't recall the exact number) and then back up >again in the next frame because there is no differential image >smear in the frame following. >As I recall there wre two frames which show this very obvious >differential smear. But Sainio studied all the frames and found >that the building image smear was almost always greater than the >UFO image smear. >I should point out that Sainio and I spent well over a hundred >hours analyzing that video. It was very interesting and 'looking >good' until he discovered the differential smear. <snip> I should also point out that I spent quite a bit of time on the tape - probably 80-90 hours. I think 300 hours is overkill on any video. That could lead one to see more into it than is actually there. What exactly is this so-called "differential smear"? Is there an equation for this smear or is it something Jeff just made up for this case? Can "differential smear" be applied to conventional videos, for testing. Is "differential smear" science or merely one's opinion? This sort of reminds me of another computer whiz that had a way with RGB graphs to validate UFOs. >The differential smear (and also the image jump referred to by >King) introduced an artifact that could not be explained unless >one assumed that the UFO tracked the random hand vibration of >the camera and moved in a rapid, jerky motion just enough to >have its image remain unsmeared throughout the video. >This seemed highly unlikely for the apparently smoothly moving >(and rotating) object and so Sainio and I have considered this >differential smear to be the 'fingerprints of a hoax'. >Of course, we cannot explain the witness reports. We just wonder >if there is really any connection. In that last sentence you imply the Mexican eyewitnesses are liars. So, the little girl who told her dad about this sighting is lying? Her dad and the resturant operator too? The alleged "differential smear" could be caused by several different factors: 1. What generation video was Sanio using? 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th? 2. Capture methods can cause artifacts depending on how the video was digitized. 3. Was the video de-interlaced or used interlaced. 4. The "differential smear" could be nothing more than the old rivarly of MUFON vs Elders? I respect Jeff's and your work but I don't hold his opinion as gospel. The hoax theory, based upon the alleged "differential smear", is merely Jeff's opinion. When one considers the past bad-blood between Walt Andrus and Lee Elder over rights of the Billy Meier case and the 1991-95 daytime videos embarassments. MUFON's credibility is called into question in light of the fact that MUFON has systematically debunked everything Elder investigated. Then you have to take into account the lack of information on MUFON websites - information that they don't publish. The public has not recieved a definative answer to this case from any organization. I have a slightly better understanding of analyzing video than most of the public and I don't quite get this "differential smear". So I bet most of the people who read this explaination didn't understand it either. I don't feel the hoax explanation offered on this case is satisfactory, since it calls all the eyewitnesses liars. None of us even went to Mexico City to investigate first hand, so what do we know anyway? Tom www.ufovideo.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Secrecy News -- 09/26/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:28:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:05:02 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/26/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 94 September 26, 2002 **THE US GOVERNMENT AND IRAQI BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS **GAO REPORT ON FOIA ACTIVITY **SENATE CLEARS 2003 INTEL AUTHORIZATION BILL **ODDS AND ENDS THE US GOVERNMENT AND IRAQI BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS "Did the United States help Iraq to acquire the building blocks of biological weapons during the Iran-Iraq War? Are we, in fact, now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sown?" When Senator Robert Byrd posed those bothersome questions to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at a September 19 hearing, Rumsfeld dismissed the matter with a curt "I doubt it." But in fact there is abundant documentary and reportorial evidence to demonstrate that "the U.S. Government provided nearly two dozen viral and bacterial samples to Iraqi scientists in 1985--samples that included the plague, botulism, and anthrax, among other deadly diseases." A 1995 letter from then-director of the Centers for Disease Control David Satcher to Sen. Donald Riegle itemizes "all biological materials, including viruses, retroviruses, bacteria, and fungi, which CDC provided to the government of Iraq from October 1, 1984, through October 13, 1993." Sen. Byrd assembled all of the key evidence -- the Satcher letter, a recent Newsweek article by Christopher Dickey and Evan Thomas, the transcript of his exchange with Secretary Rumsfeld, and an excerpt from a 1994 Senate Banking Committee report -- and inserted this information in the Congressional Record on September 20. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html Columnist Robert D. Novak discussed the issue in a Washington Post op-ed column today, available here: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20020926.shtml The prevailing US attitude toward Iraq during those years was articulated in President George H.W. Bush's upbeat National Security Directive 26 of October 2, 1989 on "U.S. Policy Toward the Persian Gulf": "Normal relations between the United States and Iraq would serve our longer-term interests and promote stability in both the Gulf and the Middle East. The United States Government should propose economic and political incentives for Iraq to moderate its behavior and to increase our influence with Iraq." "At the same time, the Iraqi leadership must understand that any illegal use of chemical and/or biological weapons will lead to economic and political sanctions, for which we would seek the broadest possible support from our allies and friends," the previous President Bush wrote. A copy of NSD 26, declassified in 1999, is posted here: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsd/nsd26.pdf The gathering momentum for a US war with Iraq signals the decline of American democracy, argues columnist Michael Kinsley today. Public deliberation about whether to go to war has been crippled by the fact that "crucial information for an independent decision is unavailable to us... We aren't capable of answering the actual questions at hand: Is Saddam Hussein an imminent threat to our national and personal security, and is a war to remove him from power the only way to end that threat?" See "Ours Not to Reason Why" by Michael Kinsley in Slate Magazine: http://slate.msn.com/?id71538 GAO REPORT ON FOIA ACTIVITY The General Accounting Office has issued a comprehensive new report on implementation of the Freedom of Information Act in dozens of federal agencies, noting that "backlogs of pending requests governmentwide are substantial and growing, indicating that agencies are falling behind in processing requests." The Department of Energy, for example, took 16 days to process simple requests in 1999, but needed 211 days in 2001. More complex requests took DOE a median of 55 days to process in 1999, but required a dysfunctional 1,788 days by 2001, the GAO found. The impact of September 11 was assessed differently by agency officials and FOIA requesters, the GAO said. "Agency officials characterized the effects on FOIA implementation as relatively minor, except for mail delays associated with the anthrax problem. In contrast, members of the requester community expressed general concern about information dissemination and access to government information in light of removal of information from government Web sites after September 11." See GAO Report GAO-02-493, "Update on Implementation of the 1996 Electronic Freedom of Information Act Amendments" (in a massive 2 MB PDF file) here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/foia/gao02493.pdf SENATE CLEARS 2003 INTEL AUTHORIZATION BILL "I can assure my colleagues that this bill provides a significant increase in funding to the U.S. intelligence community," said Sen. Richard Shelby. So assured, the Senate proceeded September 25 to approve the 2003 intelligence authorization bill on a voice vote. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092502.html The fifth public hearing of the congressional joint inquiry into September 11 today featured perfunctory testimony from former FBI counterterrorism official Dale Watson. See: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092602watson.html ODDS AND ENDS "Academia is suddenly finding itself a central target of new security laws and regulations," writes Mark Clayton in the Christian Science Monitor today. "As fall semester gets under way, university scientists worry that freedom of inquiry, open access, and internationalization - long valued in US higher education - are at risk." See "Academia becomes target for new security laws": http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0924/p11s02-lehl.html "A [Taiwanese] defense official yesterday criticized the press as being 'unprofessional' in reporting the threat that an electro- magnetic pulse (EMP) weapon might pose to Taiwan, since such a weapon has not been proven to exist," according to the Taipei Times on September 18. Major General Tyson Fu went on to admit that "The military's document classification system doesn't make any sense. Some documents which should be classified are unclassified, while some which should be unclassified turn out to be classified." See "Army slams press for scaring people with bogus weapon" by Brian Hsu: http://taipeitimes.com/news/2002/09/18/story/0000168470 _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Rudiak From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:08:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Rudiak >From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:58:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:22 -0400 >Subject: Falsified and Fabricated Data >The September 2002 issue of 'Physics Today' has a three page >story about another researcher, this one at Lawrence Berkeley >National Laboratory, who also falsified and fabricated data in >the discovery of Element 118 (which subsequently decayed to >Element 116), a discovery which was later retracted. This got a fair amount of coverage in the SF Bay Area. The guy was unceromoniously booted out. >Yes, many scientists have made honest mistakes or allow their >personal biases or misjudgements to lead to erroneous conclusions >or findings which are false. Fortunately there does not seem to >be many dishonest ones but the few we now know of may only be the >ones that got caught. I think there are many more - recall the >many papers which were published by scientists at many different >research institutions who confirmed the discovery of N rays. By chance, last week I was watching local PBS TV which replayed a program on scientific fraud. One of the scientists interviewed said he could go on for hours about all the cases that he personally knew about where scientists doctored or made up data. The program mentioned how even notables such as Isaac Newton manufactured data in order to discredit a rival's theory. This was fraud for petty personal reasons. Another example was Gregor Mendel, whose genetics data was too perfect. In his case, he may have doctored his numbers to make a stronger case for his laws of genetics. He got ignored for another 40 years anyway for all his troubles. Most fraud today, according to the program, is caused by the highly competitive scramble for limited grant money, professional recognition, job promotions, and tenured positions at universities. A major measure used of a scientist's competence or value is the number of research papers they turn out, hence the "publish or perish" syndrome. Sometimes establishment science is guilty of perpetrating its own brand of scientific fraud. An example given was the debacle surrounding Pons and Fleischman's announcement of cold fusion. At first Pons and Fleischman were accused of bad science or fraud by the establishment. They lost their funding and had their careers severely damaged by the establishment condemnations of their research. This also had the effect of frightening off many other researchers. In the meantime, big- money "hot fusion" and standard nuclear energy killed off a potential competitor. Professional jealousy and rigid thinking by other scientists also no doubt played a big part. According to the program, it is now generally accepted that P & F were definitely on to something, though not necessarily "cold fusion" per se. Under the right experimental conditions, electrolysis of water does yield more energy than put in. But the self-righteous scientific attacks on P & F's anomalous findings set back research 10-15 years. It's not a pretty story. And it is by no means the only example in the history of science where the "establishment" killed off promising lines of research. Commonly this is the doing of petty "graybeards" in the fields whom the less-prominent are fearful of crossing. There is very much a sociological and economic aspect to science that often goes overlooked. What is considered scientific "fact" is very much determined by consensus (and also where the money is). And the consensus can change over the years. In the meantime, scientists who cross the consensus often do so at their own career and economic peril. Sometimes they are truly nothing but fringe cases, but sometimes they are simply ahead of the times. >There are no such thing as N rays...but the jury is still out >regarding a UFO crash near Roswell in 1947. In the case of the Mogul balloon trajectory hoax of Charles Moore which I recently exposed, there was no apparent economic motivation. Moore wasn't competing for a position or grant. It had more to do with his personal biases regarding the Roswell incident and maybe his ego. The fact that Moore seriously fudged his data regarding his Mogul balloon doesn't directly tell us anything about whether a flying disk crashed near Roswell. It does, however, tell us that his lost Mogul Flight #4 was very unlikely to have reached the Foster Ranch, given the existing wind data. Thus it seriously lessens the probability of the current official explanation (Mogul) as being the correct explanation. The other thing it tells us is that the skeptics and debunkers live by a double standard and are completely unwilling to condemn their own for fraud. But we knew that already. For more on Moore's hoaxing, see: www.roswellproof.homestead.flight4_trajectory.html www.roswellproof.homestead.flight4and5_changes.html David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Education Said Goal Of Cincinnati UFO Conference From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:33:11 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:13:28 -0400 Subject: Education Said Goal Of Cincinnati UFO Conference Organizers identify education as goal at 39th UFO Conference By Jon Gambrell The Hamilton (Ohio) News-Journal September 26, 2002 For the JournalNews KINGS MILLS =97 The 39th Annual National UFO Conference is landing this year near Kings Island. The goal of the conference =97 1 p.m. Saturday at the Kings Island Resort & Conference Center =97 is to better educate southern Ohio about UFO phenomena, organizers say. Kenny Young, a member of the Mutual UFO Network and operator of a tri-state UFO hotline, said the conference will address the problem of the Tradesocietal vacancy of curiosity." TradeWe=92re getting together to hear researchers pass along their lifetime of efforts," said Young, a resident of Florence, Ky. TradeWe want to educate the public and trigger curiosity." The conference wasn=92t held last year due to the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, but Young feels that this year=92s event will be successful. Thus far, 150 people have confirmed their spot at the conference, some of them coming from as far away as Devon, England. The event will feature discussions, photo exhibits and booths operated by various UFO organizations, like the Chicago-based Center for UFO Studies TradeThe field is really a mixed bag right now," director Mark Rodeghier said. TradeWe are still having sightings, but the crafts have changed from oval to triangular. Also, there isn=92t as much physical evidence as before." Rodeghier said that there are two prevalent attitudes in the field currently: That the space crafts are under intelligent control, or the more Tradeagnostic" view that no one knows what is causing the phenomenon. TradeOver all, the interest is very high in UFOs," he said. TradeFifty percent of Americans believe in UFOs and we want the subject to get serious scientific attention." One person who is striving to get attention for the field is Stephen Bassett. Bassett is campaigning on the extraterrestrial issue as an independent candidate for Congress in Maryland=92s 8th District.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Symbols From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:00:52 -0400 Subject: Symbols Hello, First off I'd like to say that I too miss the wisdom of Greg Sandow's posts on this List. I have never met him but from what I gained from his posts and the glowing recommendations from brother John Velez and others. I look forward to meetimg in the future. Plus, we both are involved in music. Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal symbols. Dick posted me a short while back that he was not familiar with archetypal symbols. I had been meaning to send him the link below. There is also lots of other internet material if you Google your way down to archetypal symbols. It relates to the discovery by Karl Jung. Most likely all of you are familiar with Jung's theories regardimg the symbolic shape of flying saucers. I'm setting aside any belief that he was or was not correct in that theory for a different purpose. I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as reported by Jung. I have been wondering about that comparison for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the time. What does anyone know? Thanks. Josh http://zoefrancesca.com/symbols/archetypal_symbols.htm Home - Symbols - Archetypal Symbols Archetypal Symbols "Carl Jung began to evolve his theory of archetypes around 1910 while working with patients at the Burgh=F6lzli Mental Hospital. Noting the presence of universal symbols from religion and mythology in the dreams and fantasies of uneducated patients, who would have had no conscious way of learning them, he concluded that these images belonged to a part of the unconscious not derived from personal experience. Jung proposed that universal images and ideas can be passed from generation to generation like biological traits, and he formulated the concept of the collective unconscious, whose contents become conscious when called forth by appropriate experiences in one's life." Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology, 2nd ed. Gale Group, 2001. In 1999, Zo=EB started working with the C.G. Jung Institute's Archive for Research in Archetypal Symbolism, known as ARAS. ARAS was beginning to put together a dictionary of symbols based on images of ancient and modern art. Over a two-year period, Zo=EB worked on a dozen entries for the dictionary's initial draft. In late 2001, it was decided that most of the entries should be written by Jungian analysts. Through this work, Zo=EB became well-acquainted with many of the texts on symbolism, such as Ad de Vries "Dictionary of Symbols and Imagery," Mircea Eliade's "The Encyclopedia of Religion," James Hastings' "Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics," and Jean Chevalier & Alain Gheerbrant's "A Dictionary of Symbols." Ancestor =A4 Boat =A4 Incense =A4 Olive Tree Purse =A4 Smoke =A4 Third Eye =A4 Thistle Tobacco =A4 Umbilical Cord =A4 Urine =A4 Werewolf ARAS - Web site of the Archive for Research in Archetypal Symbolism. Unus Mundus - A friendly introduction to Jung's work. Archetypes as Defined by Carl Jung - Archetypes from a New Testament perspective. Tree of Life - Archetypes from an Old Testament perspective.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Lucent From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:30:52 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:03:11 -0400 Subject: Lucent Whatta ya know, the value of Lucent stock is at an all time low. Over production for the shrinking orders. I guess that they never have made a long time profit from alien artifacts that could see them through economic hard times in other areas without too much of a loss. Hmm. Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:01:51 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:23:33 -0400 >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >Source: Simon Fraser University Vancouver >http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/news_releases/archives/news09180204.html >Sep 18, 2002 >Aliens bring message of hope and goodwill to humanity <snip> >Everyone wants to find to the place where they >belong." Even if it is in outer space. >-30- >CONTACT >Krista Henrisken, >khenriks@sfu.ca Hello fellow Listerions, My two cents: Sounds like our little doctoral candidate needs an education. :) John Velez, from my home and family... where I "belong." Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:12:21 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:13:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:45:27 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:03 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>The downside being, of course, that the more people are aware of >>>the phenomenon, the harder it will be to filter out the genuine >>>experiencers from those that are simply influenced by >>>overexposure of the phenomenon through the media. ><snip> >>It's actually not quite as hard as you might think. There is >>still no broadly accepted set of criteria that one can use as a >>kind of yardstick to help in identifying the 'real thing,' but >>it isn't impossible. ><snip> >>I agree with you though... there are damn few of those pristine >>'indicators' left that haven't been published somewhere by >>someone. >>>It was great >>>when we had exactly one famous case, the Hills, against which >>>new incoming cases such as Walton and Moody could be compared. >>>Now my five- year-old granddaughter could probably come up with >>>a scenario reasonably close to the "classic", just through media >>>exposure. >>Experience counts for a lot Jim. 'Most people' wouldn't be able >>to put one past an experienced goalie that has studied several >>thousand reports. Much less anyone who has spent _years_ >>communicating one on one and conducting lengthy interviews with >>"experiencers." >>But again, I have to agree with you that dissemination by the >>media of the many details that are directly associated with UFO >>abduction have made the job of identifying potentially 'legit' >>cases much more difficult than it was say, fifteen or twenty >>years ago. >The problem is discerning the reals from the fakes (or >'mis-abductions', analogue of misidentifications) is illustrated >by my book, Abduction In My Life. In that book I wrote an >abduction sequence (among other things) which is apparently so >convincing that many people strongly hinted that they believed I >was "coming out" or in an indirect way describing my own >experience. One guy asked me if had reported my experience to >MUFON or some other UFO group. Hola Senior Bruce, You wrote: >What I wrote was a unique story... not a reproduction of any >presumed actual abduction reported as yet (so far as I know, and >no one has compared it to any other). Yet it was all "made up." >(Of course, the "fact book" that is built into the novel was >not made up.) And you're not alone. There are many people who make-up abduction stories and for as many reasons as there are individuals. Although I don't count you because, a. you told everybody up-front that it was made up, and b. you did it in order to have a ready made skeleton for you to hang real 'facts' on in your book. In your case it was a literary tool or device. I must say that I quite enjoyed the story you made up. You did such a good job that you even had me wondering about you. And I like to think that I'm hard to fool. So much for that theory. ;) As I stated to EBK and Victor Viggiani on last Saturday's edition of 'Strange Days... Indeed', approximately one in ten (10 to 15%) of the cases that have been reported to me over the years, turn out to be good candidates for further investigation. The way I figure it, the only reason the percentage of 'good' cases that come my way is even that high probably has to do with my (former) association with a well known abduction researcher (Budd Hopkins) and the fact that I am an 'accessible' (publicly active/visible) abductee. To put it another way, 85 to 90% of the cases don't have enough 'solid' material to make it past the initial screening process. Many are good 'anecdotal' accounts but lack any physical or other corroborative component (ie; multiple witnesses, ground trace evidence, etc.) that a researcher can actually check out. The most anyone can do with 90% of what is being reported is to check out the person who is reporting. If he/she turns out to be a basically sound, credible individual, the report gets 'filed' pending the future appearance of corroborative evidence or testimony from a second (reliable) source. Beyond that, there isn't much anyone can do in terms of actual investigation in most 'abduction' cases. If I might digress for a moment, at one time I used to refer 'some' people to Budd and a small handful of others. But I don't even do that anymore. Now-a-days I wouldn't refer anybody to an "abduction researcher" on a dare. If I were to do so I would consider it a -disservice- to the individual. The reason? Most "abduction researchers" just end up hypnotizing the subjects, taking copious notes during the session and once they have what they want in hand, they leave the person to their own devices in terms of coping with the aftermath. Screw that. That's not 'good'; research, public service, responsible, or even "helping" people in trouble. Keerist, we need a group of professionals that are set-up and ready to deal with these reports/people. Someplace, somebody safe and sane that folks can contact without fear of having their heads screwed up even more than they already are. I hope I live long enough to see the day that such a group exists. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Exoglyphs - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:15:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Exoglyphs - Velez >From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:54:12 +0100 >Subject: Exoglyphs [was: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website] >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:31:57 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez ><snip> >>But, if _nobody_ is going to study the samples, then I consider >>it a responsibility to provide samples to any researchers that >>may be actively/responsibly conducting similar analysis. >>As someone with a deep interest in the findings of such a study, >>it's not very comforting to hear that all of that data/material >>is languishing somewhere in Stuart's office. Especially while >>others scour the globe trying to collect a few samples for their >>own studies. >Hi John and List, >Thanks for bringing this topic back into focus John et al. >Recently I co-authored an article with Dr. Mark Newbrook in >MUFON Journal #411 on the 'Alien Semiotics Project', John; and >what we are currently doing and hope to do with samples of >alleged alien semiotics - including 'exoglyphs'. <snip> >We are also planning various experiments to test this aspect of >the abduction phenomenon. Hi Gary, Let's wait and see what develops/materializes in regard to the samples that are currently in the hands of Stuart Appelle. If it turns out that nothing is being done with them, or that there are no immediate plans to have them analyzed, I will be happy to provide you with 'samples' derived from my own case. Let's be patient for now and find out what the poop is with the samples we do have. But I won't forget you. Keep up the good work. We need lots more of it. Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 The Mysteries Of The Martyrs From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:42:04 +1000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:20:35 -0400 Subject: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs Hello Errol and friends, I have too much spare time on my hands at present, as work is slow lately. So I decided to write this article, I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it. Comments are most welcome! :) THE MYSTERIES OF THE MARTYRS - by David Acres Checking back on some old research links, I found one that I couldn't recall visiting. I was researching the bible/UFO connection at that time, & I was mainly using the King James version, I shelved the project before I got to the Catholic versions of the scriptures. I intend to continue this fascinating research as time permits. I find the following chapter both interesting & intriguing. How had these brave souls resisted screaming & kicking from flames & torture? Did someone slip them opium or some other painkiller? Had they fasted beforehand and exhausted themselves through prayer & dancing, inducing a trance-like state, like the circumcision rites of native tribes? Or were they truly miracles performed by God or His Angels? Chapter II.-The Wonderful Constancy of the Martyrs. <snip> ... when they were so torn with scourges, that the frame of their bodies, even to the very inward veins and arteries, was laid open, still patiently endured, while even those that stood by pitied and bewailed them. But they reached such a pitch of magnanimity, that not one of them let a sigh or a groan escape them; thus proving to us all that those holy martyrs of Christ, at the very time when they suffered such torments, were absent from the body, or rather, that the Lord then stood by them, and communed with them. [snip] For this reason the fire of their savage executioners appeared cool to them. <snip> If it were by God's grace alone, did He work in a purely spiritual way, or did He employ unknown techniques or devices, creating a nullified state, such as we so often hear of in abduction reports? I suppose the readers choice of explanations here, determines whether their faith and/or their mind, can allow them to accept that God could be an "ET", possibly of humanoid form! My interest was piqued, so I read on and found that there was also a prophetic vision. Chapter V. - The Departure and Vision of Polycarp. But the most admirable Polycarp, [snip] while he was praying, a vision presented itself to him three days before he was taken; and, behold, the pillow under his head seemed to him on fire. Upon this, turning to those that were with him, he said to them prophetically," I must be burnt alive." Whilst being lead to Herod, a voice was heard in the air, not unlike the Apostle Pauls life-changing experience on the road to Damascus. Chapter IX.-Polycarp Refuses to Revile Christ. <snip> Now, as Polycarp was entering into the stadium, there came to him a voice from heaven, saying, "Be strong, and show thyself a man, O Polycarp!" No one saw who it was that spoke to him; but those of our brethren who were present heard the voice. <snip> Finally, we read of the miracle & my mind boggles with the possibilities! Chapter XV.-Polycarp is Not Injured by the Fire. <snip> When he had pronounced this amen, and so finished his prayer, those who were appointed for the purpose kindled the fire. And as the flame blazed forth in great fury, we, to whom it was given to witness it, beheld a great miracle, and have been preserved that we might report to others what then took place. For the fire, shaping itself into the form of an arch, like the sail of a ship when filled with the wind, encompassed as by a circle the body of the martyr. And he appeared within not like flesh which is burnt, but as bread that is baked, or as gold and silver glowing in a furnace. Moreover, we perceived such a sweet odour [coming from the pile], as if frankincense or some such precious spices had been smoking there. (DA: Baked flesh perhaps?) Chapter XVI.-Polycarp is Pierced by a Dagger. At length, when those wicked men perceived that his body could not be consumed by the fire, they commanded an executioner to go near and pierce him through with a dagger. And on his doing this, there came forth a great quantity of blood, so that the fire was extinguished; (DA: Boiled blood spraying out perhaps?) I wonder if anyone looked up, or behind? One can't help but wonder if there was a saucer hovering in the skies above on that miraculous day? Nothing conclusive can be presumed of course, but they are more small clues to add to many others found in the ancient scriptures, alluding to the possibility of early E.T. intervention with mankind. Below are the credits, including Socrates, no less! Chapter XXII.-Salutation. <snip> These things Caius transcribed from the copy of Irenaeus (who was a disciple of Polycarp), having himself been intimate with Irenaeus. And I Socrates transcribed them at Corinth from the copy of Caius. Grace be with you all. And I again, Pionius, wrote them from the previously written copy, having carefully searched into them, <snip> Source: http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-13.htm#P956_174048
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:57:33 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:25:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@privat.dk> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:35:35 +0200 >Subject: Dozens Saw UFO Land In Bromley, London In 1955 Good Morning All, >Stig >Source: NEWSSHOPPER via the 'thisisLOCAL LONDON' network >http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/bromley/display.var.625555.index.0.html >September 16, 2002 >this is LOCAL LONDON >'Our 1950s X-Files experience' >More than 47 years ago, an unidentified flying object was >spotted in the Bexleyheath area by several people. Now a former >policeman is doing research on the sightings. LINDA PIPER >investigates ... I have received a response from Tim Good All comments in "Direct Quotation Marks" are from Tim's letter. He has informed me that one of the principal witness's is now a "leading UFO investigator" and that as far this "very important case" goes she knows the most about it. He has given me her contact details, I will write to her and again, inform you all of the outcome. Regards Sean
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 EW: The "Dirty Secret" Rotation Experiment From: Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior <eWarrior@electricwarrior.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:18:26 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:28:11 -0400 Subject: EW: The "Dirty Secret" Rotation Experiment -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior : Weblog September 27, 2002 http://www.electricwarrior.com/ -------------------------------------------------- THE "DIRTY SECRET" ROTATION EXPERIMENT martian enigmas image: "Dirty Secret" NASA Image Rotation http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewRotationNASA.jpg (The Electric Warrior) - Independent researchers find that image data described as "smoking gun" evidence for a full-scale subterranean cityscape on Mars has been tampered with. The controversial image involves a claim by The Enterprise Mission that data confirming extraterrestrial life was leaked to them under mysterious circumstances. The Electric Warrior has learned that the suspicious data file was in all likelihood already altered when acquired by one of Team Enterprise's lead investigators, known to the Mars anomaly community as Bullitt. Here's an easy experiment for you imaging specialists to try at home. Import the official NASA/ASU pre-release image 20020724A into your favorite image editor. This is the image file which TEM asserts is a hoax. Apply a 0.1% rotation to the left, and check the perimeter of your newly rotated image. You should see a blank space top left, and another one like it bottom right. The blank space seen across the top of the image that accompanies this article shows the result of rotating NASA's data. This image is a zoom from the top of the leftmost image in a set of images that contains IR data collected by the Odyssey spacecraft THEMIS instrument. image: TEM Image Enhancement Reveals Rotation http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewRotationTEM.jpg The second image prepared for this article shows that the image which TEM touts as "real" or authentic NASA data bears a strong resemblance to The Electric Warrior's "Dirty Secret" rotation experiment. According to online Q&A between Bullitt and independent Mars anomalists, TEM's "real" TIFF data was already rotated when acquired. Bullitt passed along a JPEG version of what is now described as the "original" or unprocessed TEM source data to Anomalous Images (AI). A new online article published by AI describes the image as rotated. Bullitt provided untouched copies of what he acquired to key investigators. And if Bullitt didn't rotate the image, it was rotated when he got it. EW's version of the TEM data is not the same as that acquired by Anomalous Images. Rather, it is an enhanced version of TEM's alleged "real" TIFF data, widely disseminated following a talk radio broadcast in which principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland announced his latest bombastic evidence. The contrast enhancement of TEM's image reveals a mysterious dark gray shadow already reported by this blog. The shadow masks the data rotation by filling in the blank space we saw with the "Dirty Secret" rotation. The shadow runs all the way along the top of TEM's "real" data, getting progressively thinner, until it disappears toward the top right edge. THE HALF-PERCENT DATA REDUCTION The image rotation and the dark gray line that cuts across both images and plain black background are a clear indication of tampering, an obvious clue left by the hoaxer as a hint that there is something wrong with the overall TEM image. If you're still having trouble with that, consider the half-percent data reduction between the NASA/ASU and TEM versions of the file. The data reduction isn't hard to understand, has nothing to do with image compression, and you don't even have to conduct another experiment to see for yourself. All you have to do is check both NASA/ASU and TEM versions of the file and observe that the pixel resolution for the NASA/ASU version is 4036x1991, whereas the pixel resolution for the TEM version is 4036x1990. That's a loss of 4036 pixels and a 0.5% data reduction for the version that TEM calls authentic. What does this mean? It does not mean that the overall image was resized or compressed to fit a slightly smaller image resolution. That would be a data reduction that even TEM apologists would have a hard time shrugging off, and one that Richard Hoagland wouldn't want to explain. Imagine a classic pie-chart diagram with a half- percent slice cut out of it. That half-percent slice would necessarily cut across image data. Extending our pie-slice analogy, that half- percent of data was not actually cut out of the whole pie, but rather cut away from the crust. Those of you who remember the blank space along the bottom edge of the "Dirty Secret" image rotation have probably guessed that there is a 1x4036 row of pixels cropped away from the bottom of the rotated TEM image. The image hoaxer cut a line of pixels from the bottom of the TEM image to hide the rotation. The bottom edge of the tampered-with TEM image has a plain black background, just like the full size NASA/ASU image. Try it yourself. Removing the bottom line of pixels from the "Dirty Secret" rotation image will adequately conceal evidence of rotation by simply cutting it out of the picture. No need for a messy dark shadow along the bottom edge. That's why the TEM image is only 1990 pixels high. THE RISE OF THE TEM APOLOGISTS While TEM apologists cling tenaciously to the hope that the data is still valid and points to a bona fide city on Mars, The Electric Warrior suggests that the image rotation and data crop are way "out of spec" for an image ostensibly from NASA or the Arizona State University THEMIS team. Don't you suppose that the folks at ASU have Quality Assurance standards that would prevent them from releasing such an obviously flawed image? TEM apologists are already floating the idea that NASA passed questionable data to TEM in a valiant, if slipshod, effort to expose the truth about a speculative extraterrestrial civilization on Mars. It remains to be seen whether The Enterprise Mission seizes upon this new information and casts it as case for plausible deniability. As my online colleague, Mac Tonnies of the Cydonia Imperative has written, this isn't the first time that "smoking gun" evidence for artificial structures on Mars has been offered by TEM. If the hoaxer had simply cropped off the top edge of the TEM data, in the same way the bottom was cropped, the image tampering would have cut away part of the THEMIS data, and researchers working with the IR data would have noticed. The show would be over. You wouldn't be reading this article. Mac is really much better than I am at explaining the dramatic cloak-and-dagger aspects of The Enterprise Mission's online antics. At least he makes them sound interesting. So, if there's another dramatic plot twist to explain the Dirty Secret Rotation and the Half-Percent Data Reduction, maybe the Cydonian Imperative will want to take a shot at it. -------------------------------------------------- RELATED RESOURCES 25-Aug-02 Tale of Two Images: Proof the Enterprise Image was Hoaxed http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/TEM_hoax.html (Anomalous Images) - This TEM / Laney image used in this test was saved as a zero compression greyscale jpeg from a copy of the original tiff Keith Laney downloaded before applying a Gaussian blur. Hoagland has since used the Laney-blurred image as proof of buried ruins of an ancient civliization spanning the entire IR strip. I sincerely hope that this presentation will put to rest this hoax once and for all, so we can return to finding the real anomalies on Mars! 02-Aug-02 The Enterprise Mission and the Anatomy of Credulity http://mactonnies.com/imperative33.html (The Cydonian Imperative) - TEM's appeal is comparable to that of "The X-Files"--which, interestingly, TEM occasionally uses as a source. As entertainment, TEM fills a void with its inimitable formula of paranoia and science; Hoagland and Bara have created a thoroughly postmodern venue in which fact and fiction are broken down into pixels and liberally blended. TEM's role is seated more in myth-making than "science" in any conventional usage of the word. -------------------------------------------------- THE ELECTRIC WARRIOR September 27, 2002 Silicon Valley, CA http://www.electricwarrior.com Graphics & Gonzo -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior is not responsible for the content of Web links. Content reproduced here is for informational purposes only. All copyrights Acknowledged. eWarrior@electricwarrior.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Spain: Worldwide UFO Catalogue in Process From: Scott Corrales <lornis1@juno.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:52:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:37 -0400 Subject: Spain: Worldwide UFO Catalogue in Process Dear Readers of Inexplicata, The following information was kindly submitted by Vicente Juan Ballester Olmos regarding an ongoing initiative. Scott Corrales Inexplicata www.inexplicata.com ========================== WORLDWIDE UFOPHOTO CATALOG IN PROCESS Please let me address this letter on behalf of the "Anomaly Foundation", a not-for-profit organization devoted to UFO research based in Spain. I refer to your readers to our URL <http://www.anomalia.org> We are developing the project FOTOCAT, to build up a worldwide catalog of UFO/IFO photographic cases, a census which presently runs over 2,500 entries. The objective is to post it freely in the internet for the benefit of all students when the project is finished (i.e., when it is decided that it has collected a truly representative sample of the phenomenon of UFO photography in the world). In addressing this letter to UFO researchers elsewhere, we are demanding individuals or organizations to send us any list of the photographic cases occurred in their countries (or if they can produce one to this purpose) to check our records with it, and also to expand them. The only information required for every photo case is: date, location, name of photographer (if known), mode (photo,film,video), and explanation (if there is one). Anyone's contribution will be duly acknowledged in the catalog's credits. This will also serve to prove that international cooperation in this field is really possible! Thank you for publishing this letter. Yours sincerely, Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos Research Director, Anomaly Foundation Apartado de Correos 12140 46080 Valencia Spain <ballesterolmos@yahoo.es
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Symbols - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:15:30 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:50:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >Subject: Symbols >Hello, <snip> >Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on >the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at >this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications >with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him >about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal >symbols. Dick posted me a short while back that he was not >familiar with archetypal symbols. I had been meaning to send him >the link below. There is also lots of other internet material if >you Google your way down to archetypal symbols. It relates to >the discovery by Karl Jung. Most likely all of you are familiar >with Jung's theories regardimg the symbolic shape of flying >saucers. I'm setting aside any belief that he was or was not >correct in that theory for a different purpose. >I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the >symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have >been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the >reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as >reported by Jung. I have been wondering about that comparison >for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart >Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask >John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >time. What does anyone know? >Thanks. >Josh Josh & list, If someone would simply post samples of the so-called archetypal symbols, I could very quickly tell you whether or not they resemble the abductee drawings that I have seen. I started looking through the links in vain for examples, and don't have time to do extensive searching. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:20:59 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:51:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:01:51 -0400 >Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:23:33 -0400 >>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Subject: UFO UpDate: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >>Source: Simon Fraser University Vancouver >>http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/news_releases/archives/news09180204.html >>Sep 18, 2002 >>Aliens bring message of hope and goodwill to humanity ><snip> >>Everyone wants to find to the place where they >>belong." Even if it is in outer space. >>CONTACT >>Krista Henrisken, >>khenriks@sfu.ca >Hello fellow Listerions, >My two cents: >Sounds like our little doctoral candidate needs an education. :) >John Velez, >from my home and family... where I "belong." >Sign the International Petition to the United Nations >for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. >http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition John, One wonders what sample she looked at. Why don't you request a copy of her doctoral thesis? I thought of doing so, but wouldn't have time to read and study it properly. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34:44 +1000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:00:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Acres >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:12:21 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:45:27 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >Most "abduction researchers" just end up hypnotizing the >subjects, taking copious notes during the session and once they >have what they want in hand, they leave the person to their own >devices in terms of coping with the aftermath. >Screw that. >That's not 'good'; research, public service, responsible, or >even "helping" people in trouble. Keerist, we need a group of >professionals that are set-up and ready to deal with these >reports/people. Someplace, somebody safe and sane that folks can >contact without fear of having their heads screwed up even more >than they already are. I hope I live long enough to see the day >that such a group exists. That's what I really like about you John! You are such a humanist! :) You really, honestly care about other people! Way to go Amigo! :) It's always good to see your voice! :) I agree, when will the authorities begin to treat this phenomena in a serious medical manner, with counseling etc for the affected citizens? Problem is, would the authorities fund for the effects of a phenomena that it denies exists? Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:48:32 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >The fact that Moore seriously fudged his data regarding his >Mogul balloon doesn't directly tell us anything about whether a >flying disk crashed near Roswell. It does, however, tell us that >his lost Mogul Flight #4 was very unlikely to have reached the >Foster Ranch, given the existing wind data. Hi David, everyone, I have no definitive opinion on the Roswell case, especially on the Mogul explanation, but in the book by Karl Pflock this theory seems pretty efficient in order to explain what had been found on the site (one question is: which site is it exactly?). Now I would discuss the goal of your demonstration about what you call the "Moore hoax". Allow me to notice that, IMHO, the main point is that the remains of a Mogul device would fit very closely the testimonies of witnesses (once you excluded some dubious ones, as do Karl Pflock in his book). Could we easily state that one flying-saucer-from-outer-space crashed in this area at the time, producing remains that look quite the same as the ones of Mogul ballons build by human beings, launched and sometimes lost in the same area, in the same period? There are two 'hard-to-swallow' statements for me: 1. A flying saucer crashes, stroke by lighting, near a big military base of the world's leading nation of the time 2. By an astonishing chance, the remains of this flying saucer look precisely like the ones of the Mogul device, tested in the same area in the same period... Any opinion on this? Regards, Gregory Gutierez Paris France
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 UFOn UK Closure From: Anthony Chippendale <anthony@thechippendales.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:38:43 +0100 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:07:35 -0400 Subject: UFOn UK Closure After many years, I have closed down my UFO website UFOn UK which was at: www.ufon.org.uk The URL now points to the main UFOn website at ufon.org It was not an easy decision but visitor numbers to the website have decreased dramatically recently and I could no longer justify the expense of running the site. In addition, big constraints on my time meant I was rarely updating - perhaps one of the reasons why visitor numbers declined. Just as a point of interest, UFO articles that I have written are available on my personal website www.anthonyc.net - just click the "UFOs" link on the menu at the bottom of the page. - Anthony Chippendale http://www.anthonyc.net
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 What's Up With the Black Budget? From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:18:05 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:18:05 -0400 Subject: What's Up With the Black Budget? http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm UQ Wire: What's Up With the Black Budget? Monday, 23 September 2002, 3:02 pm Column: www.UnansweredQuestions.org Unanswered Questions: Thinking For Ourselves Presented by... http://www.unansweredquestions.org/ The $64 Question: What's Up With the Black Budget? The Real Deal with Catherine Austin Fitts "Engrave this upon my heart: ~ There isn't anyone you couldn't love once you've heard their story." --- Mary Lou Kownacki "What is relevant is what solves the problem. If we had thought through real relevancies, we would be on Sirius by now." ---- Peter Medewar ************************* It is time to deal with the 64 dollar question - the biggest crazy aunt in the living room. The questions that need to be raised in any effort to find the truth about a significant event related to power and money in the US - and answered if we are to ever find the truth of how our world works - are: 1. WHAT HAS BEEN THE SIZE OF THE U. S. BLACK BUDGET OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS? 2. WHAT ARE THE SOURCES AND USES OF FUNDS IN THE BLACK BUDGET? 3. WHO GOVERNS AND MANAGES THE BLACK BUDGET AND OPERATIONS? 4. WHY HAVE SO MANY DECENT PEOPLE SUPPORTED AN ILLEGAL BLACK BUDGET OPERATION OF SUCH MAGNITUDE FOR SO LONG? 5. IS THE WAR ON TERRORISM MOVING THE BLACK BUDGET ON BUDGET? I do not know the answer to these questions. What I do know is that asking these questions brings up a whole pile of challenging uncertainty. (For background on my experience dealing with black budget/slush fund operations at FHA and Ginnie Mae at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), Justice, Treasury and the New York Federal Reserve Bank, see my article, "The Myth of the Rule of Law," http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00055.htm) When dealing with challenging uncertainty, I find that many researchers simply delete the existence of such uncertainty from their reality. That is a big mistake - again pretending that we do not have a very big crazy aunt sitting in the living room. George Orwell once said that "Omission is the greatest lie." Hence, our crazy aunt has to be dealt with. If you listen to the Ferdinand video/audio depositions in the Carone/Tyree lawsuit ( http://www.blackopradio.com/inc_archives2002.html), what you will hear is something I have heard many times. Carone gives his family the sense of all of the organized crime operations by CIA, Army and Mafia through the 1970's as legitimate for national security purposes that then got out of hand and turned bad in the 1980's. That is, what started out as justifiable got out of hand. This begs the question ---- Why Were Such Activities Considered Justifiable? The way to deal with uncertainty is with scenario design and probability -- ie to create a framework of the possible explanations with your best estimate of the plausible scenarios and the probability (all adding up to 100%) of each one being true based on intuition. Maintaining such a framework allows data collection on key variables and assumptions and an evolution to occur that can enlighten - even determine - concrete questions and answers over time. So, let me tell a story, give you my framework that I use to handle the fact that I do not have the answers and invite your framework. I am not looking to hear only what is wrong with my framework. I am looking to improve mine or find a better one. Or better inform my estimate of the probabilities that this one or that one is true. Hence, I invite you to put forward your framework for managing this uncertainty. If we had the truth of the issue I am going to introduce, I dare say we could get to the bottom of 9-11 faster. In 1998, I was approached by John Peterson, head of the Arlington Institute, a small high quality military think tank in Washington, DC. I had gotten to know John through Global Business Network and had been impressed by his intelligence, effectiveness and compassion. John asked me to help him with a high level strategic plan Arlington was planning to undertake for the Undersecretary of the Navy. At the time I was the target of an intense smear campaign that would lead the normal person to assume that I would be in jail shortly or worse. John explained that the Navy understood that it was all politics ---- they did not care. I met with a group of high level people in the military in the process - including the Undersecretary. According to John, the purpose of the plan - discussed in front of several military or retired military officers and former government officials--- was to help the Navy adjust their operations for a world in which it was commonly known that aliens exist and live among us. When John explained this purpose to me, I explained that I did not know that aliens existed and lived among us. John asked me if I would like to meet some aliens. For the only time in my life, I declined an opportunity to learn about something important. I was concerned that my efforts with Arlington could boomerang and be connected with the smear campaign and the effects that I was managing. I regret that decision. At John's suggestion I started to read books on the topic and read about 25 books over the next year on the alien question, the black budget, and alien technology. I had to drop from the project due to the need to attend to litigation and the physical harassment and surveillance of me and some of the people helping me. This process ---which turned out to be incredibly time consuming - I now believe was connected with the black budget/slush fund activities connected with FHA and Ginnie Mae at HUD. (See, "The Myth of the Rule of Law") John then asked me if I would join the board of the Arlington Institute. When I attended one of my first meetings, I joined in discussion with about 10 people which included James Woolsey, former head of the CIA in the Clinton Administration, Napier Collyns, founder of Global Business Network and former senior Shell executive, Joe Firmage, John, and other members of the Arlington board. The main topic of discussion was whether or not the major project for the coming year should be a white paper on how to help the American people adjust to aliens existing and living among us. I said nothing -- just listened. Not that long after, I dropped from the board due to the continued demands related to litigation with the Department of Justice and their informant. To cut a series of additional long stories short, when I talk with my few sources from the military and intelligence community, I hear the same themes: 1. Aliens exist and live among us; 2. In part for this reason as well the accumulated investment over the last 50 years, the technology we have access to through the black budget is far more advanced than is commonly understood; 3. The black budget/slush fund construct was created to deal with this issue, which is why reasonable people thought selling drugs to the children who were US citizens was the better of several options - including the option of telling the American public the truth and funding the expenses on budget. As a result of these experiences, here is my framework for dealing with this very large pile of uncertainty. ONE OF THE THREE FOLLOWING POSSIBLE SCENARIOS MUST BE TRUE SCENARIO #1. ENTRE NOUS: The alien question is the single largest and most expensive disinformation campaign in the history of our race. A portion of the human race has advanced technologically so far beyond the rest of us - and is attributing various things to aliens as a way of managing their resulting risk---that we have become as aliens to each other. To fully understand this scenario, we need to try to understand the use of individual mind control such as criminal hypnosis to effect financial and government fraud and corruption and the truth, whatever it is, of wider subliminal programming and brainwashing. These are slippery subjects for most people to deal with unless they have the training and ability to do so. % PROBABILITY SCENARIO #1 IS TRUE ______ (You fill in) SCENARIO #2 - HOLY COW!: Aliens exist and live among us. Planet earth is subject to the politics, economics and laws and/or lawlessness of a larger system or systems. The transfer of advanced technology into a society that has not evolved governance and legal systems to manage a world with the presence of such technology and the influence of such other system(s) helps to explain current events. To fully understand this scenario, we must also try to understand the use of individual mind control such as criminal hypnosis to effect financial and government fraud and corruption and the truth, whatever it is, of wide subliminal programming and brainwashing. Again, these are slippery subjects for most people to deal with unless they have the training and ability to do so. % PROBABILITY SCENARIO #2 IS TRUE ______ (You fill in) 3. SCENARIO #3 - MUDDLED: Some combination of (1) and (2) above. % PROBABILITY SCENARIO #3 IS TRUE ______ (You fill in) TOTAL % PROBABILITY OF SCENARIOS #1,2 & 3 BEING TRUE 100% Could my experiences with Arlington and the Navy or any subsequent contacts fit with a disinformation scenario? Absolutely. I have no evidence to support any scenario. The only evidence I believe I have is my experience dealing with tremendous amounts of money siphoned off over the years, whether through Iran-Contra S&L, HUD and BCCI fraud, or the latest round of money missing from the federal government in the last five years. This is all documented in the articles below. This cash flow and the operations and syndicates it appears to fund are important to what drives the governance and allocation of resources in this country and around the globe. There is a reason that power and money are centralizing and the rich are getting richer. I want to know what it is. Whichever scenario is true ---and I do not know which one is --- - if we had the truth it will help us grapple with 9-11 and the War on Terrorism. It would also help us better understand all the efforts to press for centralization of economic and political power that have grown as the black budget has grown since WWII. The reality is the possibilities of why 9-11 occurred and how it was operationalized are impacted by the facts of the US black budget and the advanced technology it has developed. Why would sane and even decent people think it was the best option for the good of the whole? We must sit in the shoes of the person or people who gave the order ---whoever they may be and wherever they may be ---- and understand how their power and money worked. Why would a group with the operational and financial capacity to effect a 9-11 operation give the green light to plan 9-11, finance 9-11, do 9- 11, stand down so 9-11 could happen, take advantage of 9-11 or to make sure the truth was not illuminated? My experience in Washington and Wall Street would indicate that there is a reasonable chance that all these various people and many in the food chain Are Not Bad Or Irrational People. That is, we have a better chance of finding the truth if for purposes of our explorations we assume that the people involved in all these roles were people like you and me - just with a different map of certain parts of the world and dealing with a variety of stress and pressures trying to build cooperation or achieve goals that we do not understand. Watching the federal government contract announcements and without benefit of seeing the full budget and assuming The Disclosure Project allegations regarding the estimates of the black budget size, if I had to guess today my guess would be that 9-11 has been highly successful in permitting the black budget to be moved on budget, partly in the normal budget and partly in the budget that is only disclosed to the Congressional intelligence committees. The solution to continued growth and funding of the black budget may have been to steal as much money and assets as possible from the federal budget and then to move the black budget on budget when control of media, Congress, Justice and Securities & Exchange Commission ensured that the legal budget was non- transparent, controlled by private government contractors and could not be harmed or fiddled with by Congress. (See various stories on the disappearance of over $3.3 trillion from the federal government from fiscal 1998-2001 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00031.htm#a ) Grossly oversimplified, by the end of the 2004 fiscal year, covert operations and the black budget may be fully legal, run and controlled by corporations and banks without interference from knowledgable career civil service, taxpayer funded, and non-transparent. Why do I say all of this? We do not have time to pay attention to people who use smears like "conspiracy theorist" to waste our time. Money, budgets, finance...these are all facts. If something does not work, and it continues to not work, there is a reason. Systems have a logic. They have a rationale. Money helps explain and illuminate that rationale. Anyone who would smear a serious researcher or writer for trying to understand where a great deal of money is disappearing to as a "conspiracy theorist" is someone who would never be taken seriously or associated with in the circles in which I travel. The exception is if the person doing the smearing is a professional being paid to smear those who have the scent of "the real deal" - Cointelpro or related public relations. The number of people paid to do such things are many and growing. 9-11 was an operation that was implemented by a conspiracy. To get to the bottom of what happened and why one must develop and use conspiracy theories to research in what can only be described as a conspiracy reality. We know in regards to 9-11 one of two scenarios must be true ---- some portion of the US military and intelligence are (i) complicit and/or (ii) guilty of criminal gross negligence. We also know that the official story is not truthful. Either scenario and the reality of the official story beg the question, "why?" This course always leads us to consider the fact that US military and intelligence have enjoyed significant expansion of their budgets and powers as a result of 9-11. We are rewarding failure. 9-11 was great for business. Lockheed Martin's stock is up over 50% in a falling stock market. The oil companies have their pipeline. When a system does not work and continues to not work, there is something that prevents its learning. Ultimately what we must understand that the problem is not that the system does not work and that it is not learning. The problem is that the system is controlled and operated by the most powerful forces in that system and that the system is indeed working and learning in the general direction they want it to go. This happens in a manner that is highly organic and requires lots of planning, trial and error and factionalism that involves competition and cooperation over time in the pursuit of the system's real goals. Hence, the system is working and is learning. It is our construct that is wrong. We do not understand the system and the goals of the system. Once we are clear that the system is working and is learning, once we stop falling back on scapegoating as a technique to explain events, we can start to understand the real system that we are a part of. This is how power and money work in reality. The amount of money and power spent to keep the general population from understanding this - and focused on things like scapegoating which keep us from building a good map of "the real deal" or gaining the power to impact events by using our money and time as a vote in the marketplace in which the banks and corporations must thrive ----is immense. That is why I strongly encourage reading Jon Rappoport's back interviews on his Infomonster and becoming a subscriber for his ongoing interviews. For those would like to know more, I would refer you to articles on all the money missing from the US Treasury and the manipulation of the gold markets as well as the Disclosure Project video of their event at the National Press Club. You can find them on the web. As for me, I do not have the answers. I wish I did. That is why I am so appreciative of efforts like UnAnswered Questions (http://www.unansweredquestions.org) and the effort of researchers networking and collaborating globally to illuminate, research and answer the right questions. Let me close with the unanswered questions with which I began and which I believe are critical to our ongoing collaboration: 1. WHAT HAS BEEN THE SIZE OF THE U. S. BLACK BUDGET OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS? 2. WHAT ARE THE SOURCES AND USES OF FUNDS IN THE BLACK BUDGET? 3. WHO GOVERNS AND MANAGES THE BLACK BUDGET BUDGET AND OPERATIONS? 4. WHY HAVE SO MANY DECENT PEOPLE SUPPORTED AN ILLEGAL BLACK BUDGET OPERATION OF SUCH MAGNITUDE FOR SO LONG? 5. IS THE WAR ON TERRORISM MOVING THE BLACK BUDGET ON BUDGET? ************************* Anti=A9opyright 2002, Catherine Austin Fitts Solari PO Box 157 Hickory Valley, TN 38042 www.solari.com catherine@solari.com ************************* Catherine Austin Fitts is the President of Solari, Inc., a former Assistant Secretary of Housing =96 Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration and a former partner and member of the board of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc and President of Hamilton Securities. She is a member of the advisory board of Sanders Research Associates http://www.sandersresearch.com/ in London and publishes a column in Scoop Media in New Zealand http://www.scoop.co.nz/ called The Real Deal. Links to all her articles can be found at: http://www.solari.com/gideon/articles%20by%20caf.htm STANDARD DISCLAIMER FROM UQ.ORG: UnansweredQuestions.org does not necessarily endorse the views expressed in the above article. We present this in the interests of research - for the relevant information we believe it contains. We hope that the reader finds in it inspiration to work with us further, in helping to build bridges between our various investigative communities, towards a greater, common understanding of the unanswered questions which now lie before us. ************************* ARTICLES AND LINKS Selected Articles on Money Missing from the Federal Government: The War on Waste, CBS News, (January 29, 2002) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml Black Programs - Pentagon Defied Laws, Misused Funds, by Tim Weiner, New York Times, (July 1999) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/coverup042.html The Myth of the Rule of Law: The Destruction of Hamilton Securities by Catherine Austin Fitts (November 2001) http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00055.htm Real Deal: Saving Tennessee by Catherine Austin Fitts (June 2002) http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00031.htm Real Deal: Saving Tennessee - The Cartoon Series http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00032.htm Software That Steals: Mortgage Market Unanswered Questions - Hitting On HUD (August 2002) http://www.scoop.co.nz/archive/scoop/stories/17/3a/200208121132.47a0a862.htm= l The Kelly O'Meara "Missing Money" Series: Why is $59 Billion Missing from HUD? by Kelly O'Meara (November 2000): http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/200010/msg00012.html Cuomo leaves HUD in Shambles, by Kelly O'Meara (March 2001) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=3Ddetail&storyid=3D210881 Inside HUD's Financial Fiasco, by Kelly O'Meara (June 2001) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=3Ddetail&storyid=3D161113 A Financial Fiasco is in the Making, by Kelly O'Meara (July 2001) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/161202.html Rumsfeld Inherits Financial Mess, by Kelly O'Meara (September 2001) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=3Ddetail&storyid=3D139530 Total Lack of Trust, by Kelly O'Meara (September 2001) http://www.restoringamerica.org/archive/elected/lack_of_trust.html Wasted Riches, by Kelly O'Meara (October 2001) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/108588.html DynCorp Disgrace, by Kelly O'Meara (February 2002) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/163052.html All That Glitters Is Not Gold, by Kelly O'Meara (March 2002) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/180093.html What Does It Take to Lose a Contract?, by Kelly O'Meara (March 2002) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/189894.html The Last Word: DynCorp Still Taking the Moral Low Ground, by Kelly O=92Meara (August 2002) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=3Ddetail&storyid=3D260511 Looting Russia's Free Market, by Kelly Patricia O'Meara (August 2002) http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=3Ddetail&storyid=3D260507 Manipulation of the Gold Market: The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee http://www.gata.org Le Metropole Cafe http://lemetropolecafe.com Additional Websites Mentioned: UnAnswered Questions http://www.unansweredquestions.org From the Wilderness http://www.fromthewilderness.com NoMoreFakeNews (Jon Rappoport) http://www.nomorefakenews.com The Disclosure Project http://www.disclosureproject.org Sanders Research Associates http://www.sandersresearch.org Scoop Media http://www.scoop.co.nz/ Solari http://www.solari.com Copyright (c) Scoop Media UFO UpDates thanks Grant Cameron for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Symbols - Sandow From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:10:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:07:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Sandow >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >Subject: Symbols >First off I'd like to say that I too miss the wisdom of Greg >Sandow's posts on this List. I have never met him but from what >I gained from his posts and the glowing recommendations from >brother John Velez and others. I look forward to meetimg in the >future. Plus, we both are involved in music. Lord, I'm blushing! And let me return the compliment. I admire Josh's posts, and would love to meet him. >I've been meaning to ask >John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >time. What does anyone know? Budd has never discussed or looked into that, as far as I know. Jung, I think, is a little off his radar, which wouldn't be surprising in a New York intellectual who's now in his 70s. Jung had the reputation in generations past of being a little far out. I'd think Budd would be oriented more toward Freud. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:00:06 -0700 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:09:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:43:21 +0000 >Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:31:21 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>>From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:08:05 +0000 >>>Subject: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>>Folks, >>>I know its been covered before but, I'd like you to look at >>>this: >>>http://www.ufovideo.com/videos/analysis.php <snip> >>Sainio looked at the differential smear throughout the whole >>video and found that, on the average, the building images were >>smeared more than the UFO image. There are a couple of frames >>near the beginning where the differential smear is obvious: the >>edge of the building and the small wind sock on top of the >>building (yes, windsocks on the buildings) are very blurred but >>the UFO image is not. This occurs as the UFO moves toward the >>right, approaching the left edge of the first building. >>The image of the edge of the building suddenly moves (downward?) >>from one frame to the next, blurring the image of the top edge >>of the building and the image of the wind sock , while the image >>of the UFO (the edges of the image) remain unblurred. >I should also point out that I spent quite a bit of time on the >tape - probably 80-90 hours. I think 300 hours is overkill on >any video. That could lead one to see more into it than is >actually there. Out of curiosity, what would you call an "optimum" amount of time to spend on a video analysis? >What exactly is this so-called "differential smear"? Is there an >equation for this smear or is it something Jeff just made up for >this case? Can "differential smear" be applied to conventional >videos, for testing. Is "differential smear" science or merely >one's opinion? >This sort of reminds me of another computer whiz that had a way >with RGB graphs to validate UFOs. Are you comparing Bruce Maccabee to Jim Dellatoso? >The public has not recieved a definative answer to this case >from any organization. I have a slightly better understanding of >analyzing video than most of the public and I don't quite get >this "differential smear". So I bet most of the people who read >this explaination didn't understand it either. I know next to nothing about video analysis, and I think I understand perfectly what he's saying. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 New URL For Cold Fusion Papers From: Terry Blanton <blantont@rtpatlanta.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:15:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:13:24 -0400 Subject: New URL For Cold Fusion Papers Thanks to Don Ledger letting me know that I needed to update UpDates. Due to problems with the ISP please be advised that the Cold Fusion papers previously on: http://lenr.org/ have been moved to: http://lenr-canr.org/ (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions - Chemical Assisted Nuclear Reactions) in order to provide better control over the content. It is a work in progress by an older programmer who is learning html. If you experience problems, please email me with the details. Regards, Terry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: What's Up With the Black Budget? - White From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:40:17 +0000 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:17:39 -0400 Subject: Re: What's Up With the Black Budget? - White >From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:18:17 -0400 >Subject: UFO UpDate: What's Up With the Black Budget? >Source: Scoop - New Zealand >http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm >UQ Wire: What's Up With the Black Budget? >Monday, 23 September 2002, 3:02 pm >Column: www.UnansweredQuestions.org >Unanswered Questions: Thinking For Ourselves >Presented by... >http://www.unansweredquestions.org/ >The $64 Question: What's Up With the Black Budget? >The Real Deal with Catherine Austin Fitts <snip> >We do not have time to pay attention to people who use smears like >"conspiracy theorist" to waste our time. Bravo, Ms. Fitts! Eleanor White
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Secrecy News -- 09/27/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:09:40 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:45:14 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/27/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 95 September 27, 2002 ** JUSTICE DEPT PRESSES ITS FISA APPEAL ** FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER ON SEPTEMBER 11 ** NEW CRS REPORTS JUSTICE DEPT PRESSES ITS FISA APPEAL In a lengthy new brief filed with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review this week, the Justice Department elaborated its argument that "the wall" that traditionally separated law enforcement and intelligence investigations has been torn down by the USA Patriot Act. The Department contends that it is now at liberty to use the counterintelligence procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which are in some respects looser than those used in criminal cases, even in investigations where law enforcement rather than counterintelligence is the principal purpose of an investigation. By enacting the USA Patriot Act last year, "Congress directly and unambiguously tore down the wall," according to the new brief. The Act "allows unfettered coordination between intelligence and law enforcement officials in furtherance of efforts to protect against espionage and international terrorism." Aspects of that interpretation of the USA Patriot Act were rejected by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in a May 2002 decision, made public last month, and the Department has appealed the ruling to the FIS Court of Review. In arguing against "excessive judicial interference with the President's authority over national security matters," the Justice brief coyly quotes the testimony of "one witness" in a 1978 hearing who turns out to be... Laurence Silberman, a member of the FIS Court of Review to whom the brief is directed. (Footnote 4). The main body of the brief is accompanied by an appendix that compares and contrasts the requirements of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Title III procedures for obtaining a wiretap in a criminal investigation. See the "Supplemental Brief for the United States" filed in the FIS Court of Review by Attorney General John Ashcroft on September 25 here: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/092502sup.html FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER ON SEPTEMBER 11 FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III described in chilling detail the activities of the September 11 hijackers in the months, weeks and hours leading up to the September 11 attacks in a statement for the record submitted to the Joint Inquiry conducted by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. Director Mueller's statement, declassified for release on September 26, is available here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092602mueller.html NEW CRS REPORTS The Congressional Research Service has published several new reports of topical interest. Although CRS short reports occasionally include new information or original analysis, they mainly serve to provide a concise introduction to issues of importance. "U.S. Use of Preemptive Military Force" by Richard F. Grimmett, September 18, 2002: http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RS21311.pdf "Terrorist Nuclear Attacks on Seaports: Threat and Response" by Jonathan Medalia, August 23, 2002: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21293.pdf "Critical Infrastructures: What Makes an Infrastructure Critical?" by John Moteff, Claudia Copeland, and John Fischer, August 30, 2002: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31556.pdf _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. To SUBSCRIBE to Secrecy News, send email to secrecy_news-request@lists.fas.org with "subscribe" in the body of the message. OR email your request to saftergood@fas.org Secrecy News is archived at: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/index.html _______________________ Steven Aftergood Project on Government Secrecy Federation of American Scientists web: www.fas.org/sgp/index.html email: saftergood@fas.org voice: (202) 454-4691
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:48:08 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:47:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >Subject: Symbols Hi Josh, You wrote: >First off I'd like to say that I too miss the wisdom of Greg >Sandow's posts on this List. I have never met him but from what >I gained from his posts and the glowing recommendations from >brother John Velez and others. I look forward to meetimg in the >future. Plus, we both are involved in music. I had a chance to talk to Greg. He is currently so busy, immersed in his music career/work that ufology has had to take a back seat to it. Anybody who knows Greg is aware of what a brilliant guy he is. It only makes the loss to ufology greater. >Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on >the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at >this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications >with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him >about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal >symbols. Finding out if there is some correlation between the abductee graphics samples and 'known' archetypal symbols was to be a 'part of' the investigation that Stuart Appelle had planned. Whether that kind of inquiry is tied directly to 'Jungian' philosophy or not, is something I do not know. You'd have to ask Stuart. >I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the >symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have >been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the >reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as >reported by Jung. None that _I_ know of. But then, I don't know everything (in some cases, anything) and there may very well have been such a study conducted by somebody, somewhere. If there was though, I would imagine that we would have heard of it by now. >I have been wondering about that comparison >for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart >Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask >John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >time. What does anyone know? Again, not that _I_ know of. I dissolved my association with Budd and the Intruders Foundation almost four years ago. If Budd had conducted such a study I would have heard about it from Greg or one of the other folks that I am still in touch with who are active members of the Intruders Foundation. I can tell you this; the 'alien' symbols are not like anything else I have seen. The only other thing I have ever seen that is _identical_ to them, are the symbols that were drawn by other abductees. People who are completely unknown to me. I'll tell you the 'story' behind that comment some time if you're interested in hearing it. To satisfy some curiosity, and to hopefully fuel the discussion and the research into this aspect of abduction phenomena, I offer my fellow ufologists the following little tidbit/teaser: The Sherlock Holmes character once said that, "The best place to 'hide' something is in open view." Why don't you pay a visit to the Abduction Information Center Homepage and carefully check out 'three' of the graphical elements I incorporated into the logo at the top-left of the page. They've been sitting there in plain view for years. Until now, only two or three people ever knew what they were/ represented. ;) You tell me how the two symbols on either side of the words 'Abduction Information Center' compare to Jungian arche- type symbols. BTW, literally thousands upon thousands of people have hit my homepage over the years. _Nobody_ has ever spotted them (busted me) or said a bloody word to me about them. Originally, I incorporated them into the logo as a kind of 'flypaper'. I was always curious about 'who' I'd catch with them. So far, to date, nobody. After this post though, my 'flypaper' will lose its power to catch any little flies who may be 'in the know.' Also, I chose these two in particular because they resemble characters in the English alphabet so closely. They are the only two that are like that. The rest really do look 'alien.' The cat is out of the bag. Enjoy. Regards, John A.I.C. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/aic/default.html Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:12:01 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:48:42 -0400 Subject: Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Velez >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:42:04 +1000 >Subject: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs >I have too much spare time on my hands at present, as work is >slow lately. So I decided to write this article, I hope you >enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it. Comments are >most welcome! :) >THE MYSTERIES OF THE MARTYRS - by David Acres >Checking back on some old research links, I found one that I >couldn't recall visiting. I was researching the bible/UFO >connection at that time, & I was mainly using the King James >version, I shelved the project before I got to the Catholic >versions of the scriptures. I intend to continue this >fascinating research as time permits. >I find the following chapter both interesting & intriguing. How >had these brave souls resisted screaming & kicking from flames & >torture? Did someone slip them opium or some other painkiller? >Had they fasted beforehand and exhausted themselves through >prayer & dancing, inducing a trance-like state, like the >circumcision rites of native tribes? Or were they truly miracles >performed by God or His Angels? Hi Dave, I don't pretend to have answers to any of those questions. But I do know that the human brain produces a chemical compound that closely resembles opiate derivatives. It is released auto- matically into the bloodstream whenever the body is severely shocked or injured. These pain relieving compounds are called "endorphins" I think. I've had a couple of really nasty/bad cuts in my time. Deep ones that required stitches. After the initial shock and pain they both went numb right away. I didn't feel pain again until they had been treated/sewn-up. I believe the same goes for broken bones and the like. 'Some' of the super-human endurance and tolerance to pain that these Christian martyrs may have exhibited could be due to this 'natural narcotic' that gets released into the blood the second the body is injured/traumatized. Good question for a physician! Regards, John Velez Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:14:43 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:50:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Subject: Re: Symbols >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:15:30 +0000 >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>Subject: Symbols ><snip> >>Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on >>the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at >>this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications >>with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him >>about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal >>symbols. Dick posted me a short while back that he was not >>familiar with archetypal symbols. I had been meaning to send him >>the link below. There is also lots of other internet material if >>you Google your way down to archetypal symbols. It relates to >>the discovery by Karl Jung. Most likely all of you are familiar >>with Jung's theories regardimg the symbolic shape of flying >>saucers. I'm setting aside any belief that he was or was not >>correct in that theory for a different purpose. >>I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the >>symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have >>been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the >>reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as >>reported by Jung. I have been wondering about that comparison >>for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart >>Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask >>John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >>time. What does anyone know? >Josh & List, >If someone would simply post samples of the so-called archetypal >symbols, I could very quickly tell you whether or not they >resemble the abductee drawings that I have seen. I started >looking through the links in vain for examples, and don't have >time to do extensive searching. Hi Dick, It is my understanding that some of the 'symbols' that Jung was labeling "archetypal" are ones that we are all familiar with, like Celtic and Christian crosses. I think you'd have to root around in Jung's books and articles for other pictorial examples. I tried, I couldn't locate any on the Web either. Maybe one of the List members can help us out with a URL or two that we can all check out. Warmest regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:18:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:52:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity - >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:20:59 +0000 >Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:01:51 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >>>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:23:33 -0400 >>>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers - >>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Alien's Message Hope & Goodwill To Humanity >>>Source: Simon Fraser University Vancouver >>>http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/news_releases/archives/news09180204.html >>>Sep 18, 2002 >>>Aliens bring message of hope and goodwill to humanity >><snip> >>>Everyone wants to find to the place where they >>>belong." Even if it is in outer space. >>>CONTACT >>>Krista Henrisken, >>>khenriks@sfu.ca >>Hello fellow Listerions, >>My two cents: >>Sounds like our little doctoral candidate needs an education. :) >>John Velez, >>from my home and family... where I "belong." >>Sign the International Petition to the United Nations >>for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. >>http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition >One wonders what sample she looked at. Why don't you request a >copy of her doctoral thesis? I thought of doing so, but wouldn't >have time to read and study it properly. Hi Dick, Unfortunately, I don't have the time either, Dick. In answer to what 'sample' she may have looked at, I don't know. All I know is what I've read so far. Apparently she was travelling with a friend who was reading one of those New-Age alien chanelling books. That's what got her started. The rest is history. :) I am including a response I sent to someone regarding the question of helping her to get her facts straight: "I will be happy to teach her. All she has to do is; ... apply for a student loan or a grant and pay me the same amount of money she shelled out to her professors for the misinformation that they have been filling her head with. 'Life' is always the best teacher. She'll learn. Wait till she reads some of the responses she's in for from abductees." ;) Regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 27 P47: A Sad Message From Arcturus From: Ole Jonny Braenne Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:11:29 +0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:54:58 -0400 Subject: P47: A Sad Message From Arcturus Listmembers, I received this sad message from Arcturus Books today; "Please place the biggest order you possibly can - we are now underwater and I can't see how I can hold out any longer. In fact, I will make this last-ditch proposal: I will consider offers for the business through Oct. 31. The best acceptable offer (must reach 6 figures) will be accepted. It's the only way I can pay the debts. Meantime, expect delays in filling orders for new titles--we owe money all over, and must plug some of those holes before we can buy new stock. This is what it has come to. For all I know, this is the last, or next to last, Arcturus catalog." It would be a loss if Arcturus were forced to quit. Ole Jonny Br=E6nne
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:53:47 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:04:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Velez >From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34:44 +1000 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:12:21 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:45:27 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:04:01 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>Most "abduction researchers" just end up hypnotizing the >>subjects, taking copious notes during the session and once they >>have what they want in hand, they leave the person to their own >>devices in terms of coping with the aftermath. >>Screw that. >>That's not 'good'; research, public service, responsible, or >>even "helping" people in trouble. Keerist, we need a group of >>professionals that are set-up and ready to deal with these >>reports/people. Someplace, somebody safe and sane that folks can >>contact without fear of having their heads screwed up even more >>than they already are. I hope I live long enough to see the day >>that such a group exists. Hi Dave, You coated me with sugar... >That's what I really like about you John! You are such a >humanist! :) You really, honestly care about other people! Way >to go Amigo! :) Thank you for the kind words. After all the lies and vilification I've had to endure at the hands of one or two individuals your compliment comes as a healing balm for the head and the heart. I've taken such an ass-kicking of late that somebody saying something nice about me caught me completely off guard! :) FYI Early on in my adulthood I put in more than ten years work counselling substance abusers and their families. Working with folks who found themselves in crisis situations sensitized me early on and gave me a powerful sense of responsibility to others. You are quite correct though, sap that I am, I _really_ do care. :) >It's always good to see your voice! :) I agree, when will the >authorities begin to treat this phenomena in a serious medical >manner, with counseling etc for the affected citizens? Ya know what's really sad... if abductees substituted 'some Puerto Ricans' instead of 'aliens' when filing a kidnapping, home invasion and molestation report to the police, we'd be eligible for some kind of victim assistance/counselling. Go figure! >Problem is, would the authorities fund for the effects of a >phenomena that it denies exists? Of course not. That's the problem. Incredulity, disbelief and complete denial have to be overcome before anybody does anything about the plight of abductees. We're on our own. Being an abductee is a self-help program. Thanks again Dave. :) Your very kind words are appreciated. Regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:05:39 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:06:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:14:43 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Subject: Re: Symbols >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:15:30 +0000 >>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>>Subject: Symbols >>>Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on >>>the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at >>>this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications >>>with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him >>>about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal >>>symbols. Dick posted me a short while back that he was not >>>familiar with archetypal symbols. I had been meaning to send him >>>the link below. There is also lots of other internet material if >>>you Google your way down to archetypal symbols. It relates to >>>the discovery by Karl Jung. Most likely all of you are familiar >>>with Jung's theories regardimg the symbolic shape of flying >>>saucers. I'm setting aside any belief that he was or was not >>>correct in that theory for a different purpose. >>>I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the >>>symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have >>>been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the >>>reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as >>>reported by Jung. I have been wondering about that comparison >>>for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart >>>Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask >>>John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >>>time. What does anyone know? >>Josh & List, >>If someone would simply post samples of the so-called archetypal >>symbols, I could very quickly tell you whether or not they >>resemble the abductee drawings that I have seen. I started >>looking through the links in vain for examples, and don't have >>time to do extensive searching. >It is my understanding that some of the 'symbols' that Jung was >labeling "archetypal" are ones that we are all familiar with, >like Celtic and Christian crosses. I think you'd have to root >around in Jung's books and articles for other pictorial >examples. >I tried, I couldn't locate any on the Web either. Maybe one of >the List members can help us out with a URL or two that we can >all check out. >Sign the International Petition to the United Nations >for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. >http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition John, I also noted that one of the links was to Tarot cards. Good heavens, the symbolism there is very far removed from abductee drawings. If the archetypal images have to do with such obvious things as crosses (Christian or otherwise), that is also way off the mark. I am very skeptical of studies claiming to capture "alien" symbolism. Having even participated in a few public sessions with Budd asking for examples. Most of what you get is [strictly limited] human imagination resulting in fairly obvious guessing attempts that result in geometrical forms, dots, and dashes. Wrong! - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Exoglyphs - Briggs From: Michael Briggs <mbriggs@newpress.upress.ukans.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:00:53 -0500, UTC Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:09:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Exoglyphs - Briggs For the List: I'm curious to know if anyone on the List has ever come across any connections between the so-called exoglyph symbols and the various "grain glyphs" found in many crop circles. I myself have not heard of such connections nor have I heard of anyone comparing the two types of symbols. It might be worth exploring but, I also realize, it might also be another deadend. Any thoughts on this? Mike Briggs mbriggs@ku.edu
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:15:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Speiser >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:48:08 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>Subject: Symbols >The Sherlock Holmes character once said that, "The best place to >'hide' something is in open view." Why don't you pay a visit to >the Abduction Information Center Homepage and carefully check >out 'three' of the graphical elements I incorporated into the >logo at the top-left of the page. >They've been sitting there in plain view for years. Until now, >only two or three people ever knew what they were/ represented. >;) >You tell me how the two symbols on either side of the words >'Abduction Information Center' compare to Jungian arche- type >symbols. Gotta tell you a funny story about "exoglyphs." Once upon a time there was a doctor in Kansas named Scott Corder. I forget how Dr. Corder first latched on to me, I think we met at some MUFON conference. Claimed he had some abductees with interesting information. Seemed to be pretty credible at first, then his stories got wilder and wilder, involving Biblical prophecies, very specific current predictions which of course did not come true, and various other claims. He claimed that I, too, was an abductee, and I think Budd as well. Anyway, at one point he sent me a "lexicon" of exoglyphs and their translations - this was a symbolic language, like hieroglyphs. The lexicon included about 100 very basic words, mostly things like "river", "mountain", "sun", "animal", "forest", "God", etc. In the interest of "due process" I forwarded the lexicon to Budd. I called him a few days later and asked about the symbols, which he said were "not really close", as I figured. As I was trying to get Corder off my back, I chose a rather abrupt way to inform him of the bad news. I simply sent him a postcard with two symbols on it: the one for "mountain" and the one for "feces". I guess ya had to be there... ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:10:29 +1000 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:01:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website - Acres >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:53:47 -0400 >Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:34:44 +1000 >>Subject: Re: Spielberg's 'Taken' Website >>Problem is, would the authorities fund for the effects of a >>phenomena that it denies exists? >Of course not. That's the problem. Incredulity, disbelief and >complete denial have to be overcome before anybody does >anything about the plight of abductees. >We're on our own. Being an abductee is a self-help program. Hello again John, Errol, List. I've been thinking on this more. I'm not sure if I've said it before here, but I have previously pondered this. As the phenomena is global, would someone like the Red Cross be able to assist? They are very experienced & always there for those in crisis. Plus it's both an independent and international organization. Food for thought? :) BTW I'm glad I made your day! :) Your genuine honesty & concern shines brightly! :) I cop a lot of ridicule too, even from my own family! :( I forgive them all though, for most people, attack is the only form of defense that thy know! Defense from what? Fear of the unknown and fear that the reports are true! Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 EW: Believe the Lie And Know the Truth? From: Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior <eWarrior@electricwarrior.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:21:35 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:07:40 -0400 Subject: EW: Believe the Lie And Know the Truth? Dear Readers, Because of the confusion which ensued about where the controversial THEMIS data actually came from, I have re-written my earlier Weblog to include an account of how The Enterprise Mission may have been re-directed to some other data server when Bullitt acquired their image. The new section is called "Believe the Lie, and Know the Truth", because if you believe that NASA leaked the mysterious data, then an apparently hoaxed image supposedly shows the truth about Mars. Even TEM is not sure whether Bullitt acquired their data from the NASA/ASU servers. The provenance of this image is questionable. Also included in "Related Resources" is a restored link to Alan Boyle's MSNBC article. Boyle's original piece has more or less "fallen off" the bottom of his blog, like mine do. Fortunately for us, his excellent piece of investigative reporting has been archived. It is a very long link, so you will have to fix it up yourself. This is version 2.1 of the Electric Warrior's "Dirty Secret" Rotation Experiment. -eWarrior -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior : Weblog September 27, 2002 http://www.electricwarrior.com/ -------------------------------------------------- THE "DIRTY SECRET" ROTATION EXPERIMENT Martian Enigmas image: "Dirty Secret" NASA Image Rotation http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewRotationNASA.jpg (The Electric Warrior) - Independent researchers find that image data described as "smoking gun" evidence for a full-scale subterranean cityscape on Mars has been tampered with. The controversial image involves a claim by The Enterprise Mission that data confirming extraterrestrial life was leaked to them under mysterious circumstances. The Electric Warrior has learned that the suspicious data file was in all likelihood already altered when acquired by one of Team Enterprise's lead investigators, known to the Mars anomaly community as Bullitt. Here's an easy experiment for you imaging specialists to try at home. Import the official NASA/ASU pre-release image 20020724A into your favorite image editor. This is the image file which TEM asserts is a hoax. Apply a 0.1% rotation to the left, and check the perimeter of your newly rotated image. You should see a blank space top left, and another one like it bottom right. The blank space seen across the top of the image that accompanies this article shows the result of rotating NASA's data. This image is a zoom from the top of the leftmost image in a set of images that contains IR data collected by the Odyssey spacecraft THEMIS instrument. image: TEM Image Enhancement Reveals Rotation http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewRotationTEM.jpg The second image prepared for this article shows that the image which TEM touts as "real" or authentic NASA data bears a strong resemblance to The Electric Warrior's "Dirty Secret" rotation experiment. According to online Q&A between Bullitt and independent Mars anomalists, TEM's "real" TIFF data was already rotated when acquired. Bullitt passed along a JPEG version of what is now described as the "original" or unprocessed TEM source data to Anomalous Images (AI). A new online article published by AI describes the image as rotated. Bullitt provided untouched copies of what he acquired to key investigators. And if Bullitt didn't rotate the image, it was rotated when he got it. EW's version of the TEM data is not the same as that acquired by Anomalous Images. Rather, it is an enhanced version of TEM's alleged "real" TIFF data, widely disseminated following a talk radio broadcast in which principal investigator Richard C. Hoagland announced his latest bombastic evidence. The contrast enhancement of TEM's image reveals a mysterious dark gray shadow already reported by this blog. The shadow masks the data rotation by filling in the blank space we saw with the "Dirty Secret" rotation. The shadow runs all the way along the top of TEM's "real" data, getting progressively thinner, until it disappears toward the top right edge. THE HALF-PERCENT DATA REDUCTION The image rotation and the dark gray line that cuts across both images and plain black background are a clear indication of tampering, an obvious clue left by the hoaxer as a hint that there is something wrong with the overall TEM image. If you're still having trouble with that, consider the half-percent data reduction between the NASA/ASU and TEM versions of the file. The data reduction isn't hard to understand, has nothing to do with image compression, and you don't even have to conduct another experiment to see for yourself. All you have to do is check both NASA/ASU and TEM versions of the file and observe that the pixel resolution for the NASA/ASU version is 4036x1991, whereas the pixel resolution for the TEM version is 4036x1990. That's a loss of 4036 pixels and a 0.5% data reduction for the version that TEM calls authentic. What does this mean? It does not mean that the overall image was resized or compressed to fit a slightly smaller image resolution. That would be a data reduction that even TEM apologists would have a hard time shrugging off, and one that Richard Hoagland wouldn't want to explain. Imagine a classic pie-chart diagram with a half- percent slice cut out of it. That half-percent slice would necessarily cut across image data. Extending our pie-slice analogy, that half- percent of data was not actually cut out of the whole pie, but rather cut away from the crust. Those of you who remember the blank space along the bottom edge of the "Dirty Secret" image rotation have probably guessed that there is a 1x4036 row of pixels cropped away from the bottom of the rotated TEM image. The image hoaxer cut a line of pixels from the bottom of the TEM image to hide the rotation. The bottom edge of the tampered-with TEM image has a plain black background, just like the full size NASA/ASU image. Try it yourself. Removing the bottom line of pixels from the "Dirty Secret" rotation image will adequately conceal evidence of rotation by simply cutting it out of the picture. No need for a messy dark shadow along the bottom edge. That's why the TEM image is only 1990 pixels high. BELIEVE THE LIE, AND KNOW THE TRUTH? In an online article that coincided with a live talk radio broadcast, TEM's Richard C. Hoagland alleged that the official THEMIS data hosted by NASA/ASU was a deliberately degraded fraud. At that time, TEM put forth another version of the THEMIS file saying theirs was the "real" or authentic Mars data. The following week, TEM said that Bullitt may have been "bamfed" or redirected to a special data server when he acquired their version of the file. Additional images released at that time allegedly showed an elaborate subterranean city complex below the surface on Mars, based on further processing of TEM's "real" data. One of the principal characters in TEM's online drama was said to be Arizona State University software manager Noel Gorelick, who goes by the online name Bamf. As told by The Enterprise Mission, Bamf led Bullitt to the controversial data file. Gorelick told MSNBC that he occasionally provided online advice to imaging specialists on TEM's message board, saying, "Any role ascribed to me beyond that is totally false." So, Bamf denies any further involvement with the circumstances involving Bullitt's "real" data file download on July 25. MSNBC's Alan Boyle speculated whether some prankster might have spoofed Bafm's identity on the Internet and led Bullitt astray. The point of this article is not that the data rotation and image crop cannot be undone or worked around. The point is that the obvious image tampering should cause you to question whether The Enterprise Mission really acquired their data from NASA or ASU. Alternative science investigators would say the file's provenance is called into question. TEM would have you believe the suspicious data was leaked under mysterious circumstances. THE RISE OF THE TEM APOLOGISTS While TEM apologists cling tenaciously to the hope that the data is still valid and points to a bona fide city on Mars, The Electric Warrior suggests that the image rotation and data crop are way "out of spec" for an image ostensibly from NASA or the Arizona State University THEMIS team. Don't you suppose that the folks at ASU have Quality Assurance standards that would prevent them from releasing such an obviously flawed image? The TEM image, with its presentation flaws, doesn't look professional. It isn't NASA quality. TEM apologists are already floating the idea that NASA passed questionable data to TEM in a valiant, if slipshod, effort to expose the truth about a speculative extraterrestrial civilization on Mars. As if to say NASA made it look bad, so they could deny it, but it still reveals a subterranean city on Mars. It remains to be seen whether The Enterprise Mission seizes upon this new information and casts it as case for plausible deniability. As my online colleague, Mac Tonnies of the Cydonia Imperative has written, this isn't the first time that "smoking gun" evidence for artificial structures on Mars has been offered by TEM. If the hoaxer had simply cropped off the top edge of the TEM data, in the same way the bottom was cropped, the image tampering would have cut away part of the THEMIS data, and researchers working with the IR data would have noticed. The show would be over. You wouldn't be reading this article. Mac is really much better than I am at explaining the dramatic cloak-and-dagger aspects of The Enterprise Mission's online antics. At least he makes them sound interesting. So, if there's another dramatic plot twist to explain the Dirty Secret Rotation and the Half-Percent Data Reduction, maybe the Cydonian Imperative will want to take a shot at it. -------------------------------------------------- RELATED RESOURCES 25-Aug-02 Tale of Two Images: Proof the Enterprise Image was Hoaxed http://www.anomalous-images.com/Odyssey/TEM_hoax.html (Anomalous Images) - This TEM / Laney image used in this test was saved as a zero compression greyscale jpeg from a copy of the original tiff Keith Laney downloaded before applying a Gaussian blur. Hoagland has since used the Laney-blurred image as proof of buried ruins of an ancient civliization spanning the entire IR strip. I sincerely hope that this presentation will put to rest this hoax once and for all, so we can return to finding the real anomalies on Mars! 02-Aug-02 The Enterprise Mission and the Anatomy of Credulity http://mactonnies.com/imperative33.html (The Cydonian Imperative) - TEM's appeal is comparable to that of "The X-Files"--which, interestingly, TEM occasionally uses as a source. As entertainment, TEM fills a void with its inimitable formula of paranoia and science; Hoagland and Bara have created a thoroughly postmodern venue in which fact and fiction are broken down into pixels and liberally blended. TEM's role is seated more in myth-making than "science" in any conventional usage of the word. 06-Sep-02 Boyle: More Mars mysteries http://groups.msn.com/AlanBoylesCosmicLog/septembrarchive.msnw?action=get_messag e& mview=0&ID_Message=125&LastModified=4675387659369514214 (Cosmic Log) - For his part, Gorelick acknowledged that he has occasionally engaged in shop talk with other imaging specialists on the Enterprise Mission's message board - and he said he was involved in processing the Cydonia photo that was released in July. However, he said, "Any role ascribed to me beyond that is totally false." If you believe the THEMIS team, it all sounds like another crackpot publicity ploy. If you believe the Enterprise team, it all sounds like another NASA conspiracy. Could it be that some prankster spoofed Gorelick's identity on the Internet and led Laney astray? Were images falsified, or is this an "X-Files" episode? "It's a tangled web, and it gets more tangled the deeper you get into it," Laney said. -------------------------------------------------- THE ELECTRIC WARRIOR September 27, 2002 Silicon Valley, CA http://www.electricwarrior.com Graphics & Gonzo -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior is not responsible for the content of Web links. Content reproduced here is for informational purposes only. All copyrights Acknowledged. eWarrior@electricwarrior.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Exoglyphs - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:47:09 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:09:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Exoglyphs - Speiser >From: Michael Briggs <mbriggs@newpress.upress.ukans.edu> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:00:53 -0500, UTC >Subject: Re: Exoglyphs >For the List: >I'm curious to know if anyone on the List has ever come across >any connections between the so-called exoglyph symbols and the >various "grain glyphs" found in many crop circles. >I myself have not heard of such connections nor have I heard of >anyone comparing the two types of symbols. It might be worth >exploring but, I also realize, it might also be another deadend. >Any thoughts on this? Oooooooo... good thought! I'm sure someone's thought of it, but I haven't heard anything. Just wondering why that never occured to me! ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gates From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:13:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gates >From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:48:32 +0200 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>The fact that Moore seriously fudged his data regarding his >>Mogul balloon doesn't directly tell us anything about whether a >>flying disk crashed near Roswell. It does, however, tell us that >>his lost Mogul Flight #4 was very unlikely to have reached the >>Foster Ranch, given the existing wind data. >Hi David, everyone, >I have no definitive opinion on the Roswell case, especially on >the Mogul explanation, but in the book by Karl Pflock this >theory seems pretty efficient in order to explain what had been >found on the site (one question is: which site is it exactly?). David has shown that Mogul is not a valid or reasonable explanation. I would expect that we will hear very little, if anything from the Mogulites and or skeptibunkers who vocally and profoundly defended Mogul. Reminds me of years ago when people were advancing theories about mass ET landings to happen in the desert SW on April 24th 1997. They loudly and profoundly defended that theory and the people who purveyed it... that is until April 25th 1997, then few if any of the loud and very vocal wanted to talk about it. Prefering to focus on something else, blah, blah, blah. >Now I would discuss the goal of your demonstration about what >you call the "Moore hoax". Allow me to notice that, IMHO, the >main point is that the remains of a Mogul device would fit very >closely the testimonies of witnesses (once you excluded some >dubious ones, as do Karl Pflock in his book). Depends on what witness testimony is excluded. If you exclude everything that doesn't fit a particular theory (say Mogul) then I suppose things would fit closely to whatever a person is advancing. >Could we easily state that one flying-saucer-from-outer-space >crashed in this area at the time, producing remains that look >quite the same as the ones of Mogul ballons build by human >beings, launched and sometimes lost in the same area, in the >same period? I wouldn't think so. There was only two balloons. One was Flight 4 (which there is even a question if it was launched) but even it it was, David provides enough information on the stroking and fudging of data to eliminate that one. Remember that even _if_ the data hadn't been stroked or fudged, the theory was, at the very, very, very best, 17 miles short. Then you have the other flight which was found near Roswell, which Moore conviently wanted to move the location further away from Roswell and apparently fudged and stroked that data. >There are two 'hard-to-swallow' statements for me: >1. A flying saucer crashes, stroke by lighting, near a big >military base of the world's leading nation of the time Don't know whats so hard-to-swallow about that. Kind of like expressing shock that some advanced aircraft crashed near, of all placed, Edwards AFB. The leading flight test center. >2. By an astonishing chance, the remains of this flying saucer >look precisely like the ones of the Mogul device, tested in the >same area in the same period... Depended on which witness description. If we dismiss witness testimony as dubious for various reasons, then you certainly should dismiss Mogel and Moore's analsys as well. Cheers, Robert
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 oes anybody Know D.J. Waring In England? From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:14:23 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:15:37 -0400 Subject: oes anybody Know D.J. Waring In England? Hello, this is rather urgent: Somebody named D.J. Waring, with an address on Highland Road North, in Chorley, Lancashire PR71PH England, has sent me two American Express Travelers checks totaling US $70. With this came the standard order form for the *U* Database, extracted from a page I took down from my website. He did not fill in his email address, no phone number, just a mailing address. He also neglected to countersign the two checks! Does ANYBODY know how I can get in touch with D.J. Waring? If so, please advise me ASAP! Otherwise, I will have to simply send both checks right back to Lancashire. There is no way I will try to cash them, I would have to forge his signatures. For those hazy on the topic, like Mr. Waring, the purchaser of traveler's checks signs twice: Once before you leave home, usually right there in the bank .. and _again_ at bottom when you cash them. That way the merchant or person being paid can compare signatures. I thought everybody knew that. Please help. - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:25:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:48:08 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>>Subject: Symbols >>The Sherlock Holmes character once said that, "The best place to >>'hide' something is in open view." Why don't you pay a visit to >>the Abduction Information Center Homepage and carefully check >>out 'three' of the graphical elements I incorporated into the >>logo at the top-left of the page. >>They've been sitting there in plain view for years. Until now, >>only two or three people ever knew what they were/represented. >>;) >>You tell me how the two symbols on either side of the words >>'Abduction Information Center' compare to Jungian arche- type >>symbols. >Gotta tell you a funny story about "exoglyphs." Once upon a time >there was a doctor in Kansas named Scott Corder. I forget how Dr. >Corder first latched on to me, I think we met at some MUFON >conference. Claimed he had some abductees with interesting >information. Seemed to be pretty credible at first, then his >stories got wilder and wilder, involving Biblical prophecies, >very specific current predictions which of course did not come >true, and various other claims. He claimed that I, too, was an >abductee, and I think Budd as well. >Anyway, at one point he sent me a "lexicon" of exoglyphs and >their translations - this was a symbolic language, like >hieroglyphs. The lexicon included about 100 very basic words, >mostly things like "river", "mountain", "sun", "animal", >"forest", "God", etc. >In the interest of "due process" I forwarded the lexicon to >Budd. I called him a few days later and asked about the symbols, >which he said were "not really close", as I figured. >As I was trying to get Corder off my back, I chose a rather >abrupt way to inform him of the bad news. I simply sent him a >postcard with two symbols on it: the one for "mountain" and the >one for "feces". Hi Jim, You wrote: >I guess ya had to be there... No, just reading about it was enough to knock me off my chair thank you. <LMAO!> Greg confided to me that you have been having a private conversation regarding these symbols/exoglyphs. Allow me to take this opportunity to share a little history with you (and anybody else who may be interested) about how I came to be involved in this 'mess'. I have had a total of five hypnosis sessions with Budd that were spaced out over a period of a year-and-a-half. Back in 1995. During the third of those sessions I was recalling how a small, whitish, "alien" had led me into a small room and positioned me in front of a large, curved screen of some kind. Upon this screen there suddenly appeared a large symbol, it resembled a French Fleur de Lys. The only real difference between it and the French version is; the points of the one I was shown were all more like upward-pointing flames. Located just inside the tip of each petal of the 'Fleur de Lys' was a single glyph. (letter, character) I was ordered by this little being to; "Study and remember." That three word phrase was repeated inside my head three times. There was no mistaking the tone of command either. It was very emphatic. After Budd brought me out of the trance-state, he asked me if I could reproduce (draw) the symbol and the characters I had been shown. "No problem, I'm an artist," I told him. He handed me a pencil and a large yellow legal pad and I gave him what he asked for. I have only seen the blood run out of a man's face twice in my life. It is an eerie thing to witness. One of those times was the moment Budd took a look at what I had drawn. You can't fake a reaction like that. It made the hairs on neck and arms stand on end. He mumbled something rapid-fire at me that sounded like; 'Don't move. Stay right here... I'll be right back." And off he went. He was gone about five minutes. When he returned he was winded and clutching a purple, plastic file folder to his chest. He sat down next to me, handed me the yellow piece of paper I had just drawn the symbols on, and he placed the purple folder in front of me. He didn't say a word. I opened the folder and I saw that it contained several (about six) different sized pieces of paper with 'writing' on them. On closer inspection I saw that they resembled the same type of symbols that I had just reproduced. Then the real shockeroo came, on the top page in front of me I spotted one of the symbols I had just drawn. Not simply similar or close in appearance, but a dead-on match. The _same_ character that appeared on my yellow paper. Then I spotted another dead-match on the second page. As I flipped through the pages tears started to run down my face and all I could think to ask Budd was, "What the hell is this? Where did you get it?" His response was of no comfort to me and only served to deepen a malaise that had taken hold of my gut. I felt physically sick, like I wanted to throw up. I also felt terribly confused. How could these people, people I had never met or even heard of, reproduce the same characters that I had just drawn. All of the papers in the folder were dated and signed. Some had been written years ago. This was no mere coincidence. I am not Jean Dixon. There is no f*****g way I just pulled that stuff out of the air. Not only did I recall seeing those symbols for the first time aboard a UFO, but that's where everybody else (from the folder) saw their symbols too. Jim, I just sat there sobbing like a child. I didn't know what to think. It was such a world shattering confirmation for me that it left me devastated. It took weeks for me to recover from the shock and to come to some kind of terms with it. As I write this I realize that I'm still not completely over it. That, is why it is so very important to me to have other eyes, other minds take a look at these things. I want to hear the experts best, most educated guesses. To me, the symbols represent a mystery so deep, that it causes my mind to freeze like a computer on overload just to think about it. Mental vapor lock. The implications are terrifying. I hope that this discussion is joined by Stuart Appelle at some point. It would also be nice if renewed interest in the studies expedites the analysis, and allows it to finally be performed as originally planned. If we just allow the issue die, then once again, nothing will get done, and _valuable_ research material will have gone to waste. Everybody has been patting me on the back for bringing the subject of the 'exoglyphs' up again. The kudos belongs to you Jim. If you hadn't brought the subject up we wouldn't be discussing it. Thank you. :) Regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Anthony From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:59:50 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:28:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Anthony Hi List, To address some of the recent posts on alleged alien symbols. Archetypal imagery is one of the most misinterpreted notions on the planet and this is stressed by psychologists who claim expertise. Jung edited a book in 1961, which was an attempt to begin understanding archetypal symbols and this was co-written by a few eminent psychologists entitled 'Man and his Symbols.' Rather than be a tome filled with technical terms, it was a book that was written to be accessible to the general reader and that would be a good place for anyone to make a start. There are many archetypal symbols and some of these are relevant to the study of alleged alien motifs and language. We are examining this aspect carefully. As to the question regarding crop circle similarities; there are a few which we have come across. I would like to see Jim Speiser's lexicon of alleged alien semiotics from Corder - if he still has a copy? In reference to Dick Hall's statement about not having time to search through archetypal images to compare with alleged alien symbols; I have a suggestion. Dick please sort out and send any examples to me; and I will place these in a data set where this will happen anyway and I will let you know what the results are? It is actually better to do it this way round rather than the other! Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Kaeser From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:45:46 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:32:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Kaeser >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:05:39 +0000 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:14:43 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols Richard, John, and All, I've been too busy to follow these threads carefully, but no one seems to have mentioned Mario Pazzaglini's 1991 Monograph entitled 'Symbolic Messages - An Introduction to a Study of "Alien" writing'. There have been few really good studies on this subject that I've been able to find, but it would seem that an expert on symbols and how they relate to humanity would be of interest here. I met Mario twice during the past six years and found him to be intelligent and well versed in this genre. However, he passed away a few years ago (IMO, a great loss to the field) and I don't believe this monograph has been made available elsewhere. Unfortunately, my efforts to get permission to re-publish this document have - so far - failed. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:35:20 -0400 Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference UFO conference Truth is out there, in Mason The Cincinnati Enquirer Saturday, September 28, 2002 By Karen Samples Gutierrez We are not alone, folks. Sharing our world are alien-implant investigators, weirdology editors and Congressional candidates running on UFO platforms. (As in ideas, not saucer-shaped heels.) Actually, there's only about one each of these people. But today, all will gather in the same place: Kings Island, for the 39th annual National UFO Conference. These are the folks who keep America safe from getting too skeptical. Turns out Ohio is fertile ground. Since "98, 517 UFO sightings have been reported in the Buckeye State, which is, on average, 102 more than in seven states of similar size. This according to statistics from the National UFO Reporting Center. The conference has been held more times in Ohio than any place else. Co-founder James Moseley says Ohio always has had more UFO groups than other states its size. Of course, these include the Roundtown UFO Society, which consists of two people in Circleville. But still. "It's sort of Middle America," Mr. Moseley says. "Maybe people have nothing better to do." He lives in Key West, Fla., so he must have some other excuse. Mysterious events This year's conference organizer is Kenny Young of Florence. Mr. Young spends his free time investigating suspicious happenings. For instance, on Feb. 2 a "chevron-shaped" object was supposedly seen over the Ohio River near Maysville. After many calls, Mr. Young finally spoke with a guard at the East Bend power plant who indeed recorded said object in his log. The officer couldn't tell what it was. Mr. Young tried to find other witnesses through a classified ad, but the Maysville paper wouldn't print it. Mr. Young usually uncovers ordinary explanations for UFOs, which he documents on his Web site, http://home.fuse.net/ufo "It's not a matter of belief," he says. "It's a matter of investigative curiosity." He caught the bug as a first-grader in 1973, one of the glory years for seeing things. Back in the '50s and '70s, UFOs were even considered newsworthy. Now it's all another X-Files rerun. "Abductees" know exactly how they're supposed to say the aliens look, and crop circles have become absurdly complex. "There's something naive and nostalgic about it in the early days," says Lance Moody, a Mason skeptic who follows the UFO community. If he can squeeze it in between his kids' soccer games, Mr. Moody will stop by Kings Island today to hear the odds of alien invasion. Speakers include Stephen Bassett of Maryland, the Congressional candidate who wants to stop government cover-ups. Others will be more skeptical, addressing hoaxes and scientific findings about life on other planets. Mr. Young welcomes anyone with a little curiosity about the universe. That's what we've lost, he says =97 not gullibility so much as the simple pleasure of gazing skyward. End of article
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:43:20 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:58:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >Depends on what witness testimony is excluded. If you exclude >everything that doesn't fit a particular theory (say Mogul) then >I suppose things would fit closely to whatever a person is >advancing. I may be wrong, because I am not a specialist on the Roswell case, but I have a strong feeling that there are several Roswell scenarios, not just one! For example, I'd like to have the List's opinion about these points: - Where is the site located, exactly? - When did the crash, supposedly, happen - what day? - What was the exact surface of the remains found? By my reading of the books/papers by Karl Pflock, Kent Jeffrey and some other authors (including pro-Roswell), I understood that these points varied a lot, depending on which testimony you include, or not, in order to build the history. Looks like people don't discuss the same event, each one taking fits his first impression on the case (with the exception of Jeffrey and Pflock, who changed their final opinion after their own enquiries). My understanding of the case, for example, I cannot trust the assertions of one Franck Kaufman, neither can I trust the work of Donald Schmidt, who lied on some important points about his background while writing a book with Randle. Any opinions? Regards, Gregory Gutierez Paris, France
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:03 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:03:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Hatch >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 >Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >UFO conference >Truth is out there, in Mason Yeah, yeah. The Truth is out there. Will somebody kindly inform me of the origin of this often used, but highly unhelpful phrase? This is not entirely inconsequential. We wasted gallons of electronic ink trying to figure out which doofus came up with "little green men" to no avail. Now, while memories are fresh, I ask once again: Which f***head came up with "the truth is out there"? I'm sure he or she meant better. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Kaeser From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:45:46 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:32:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Kaeser >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:05:39 +0000 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:14:43 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols Richard, John, and All, I've been too busy to follow these threads carefully, but no one seems to have mentioned Mario Pazzaglini's 1991 Monograph entitled 'Symbolic Messages - An Introduction to a Study of "Alien" writing'. There have been few really good studies on this subject that I've been able to find, but it would seem that an expert on symbols and how they relate to humanity would be of interest here. I met Mario twice during the past six years and found him to be intelligent and well versed in this genre. However, he passed away a few years ago (IMO, a great loss to the field) and I don't believe this monograph has been made available elsewhere. Unfortunately, my efforts to get permission to re-publish this document have - so far - failed. Steve
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Friedman From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:35:44 -0300 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:12:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Friedman >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:48:32 +0200 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>>The fact that Moore seriously fudged his data regarding his >>>Mogul balloon doesn't directly tell us anything about whether a >>>flying disk crashed near Roswell. It does, however, tell us that >>>his lost Mogul Flight #4 was very unlikely to have reached the >>>Foster Ranch, given the existing wind data. >>I have no definitive opinion on the Roswell case, especially on >>the Mogul explanation, but in the book by Karl Pflock this >>theory seems pretty efficient in order to explain what had been >>found on the site (one question is: which site is it exactly?). >David has shown that Mogul is not a valid or reasonable >explanation. I would expect that we will hear very little, if >anything from the Mogulites and or skeptibunkers who vocally and >profoundly defended Mogul. Reminds me of years ago when people >were advancing theories about mass ET landings to happen in the >desert SW on April 24th 1997. They loudly and profoundly >defended that theory and the people who purveyed it... that is >until April 25th 1997, then few if any of the loud and very >vocal wanted to talk about it. Prefering to focus on something >else, blah, blah, blah. <snip> >If we dismiss witness >testimony as dubious for various reasons, then you certainly >should dismiss Mogel and Moore's analsys as well. Robert is right on. The notion that what was found by Mack Brazel and observed by Jesse Marcel and others matches Mogul wreckage is absurd. For example, the foil on the radar reflectors was backed with paper and could easily be torn by a 4 year old. That of the wreckage could not be torn, but could be folded over and over again and would unfold on its own. The struts of the Radar reflector were made of the equivalent of balsa wood... easily broken, burned and scratched. The I-beams of the wreckage were very lightweight, but could not be broken, burned or scratched. The Mogul Balloon trains included at least 20 balloons, connected with string, at 20' intervals. No string has been reported. Pieces of the wreckage were extremely lightweight but extraordinarily strong. No such material is part of Mogul. I don't consider 80 miles right next to Roswell. Surely both the base the White Sands Missile ranges where the first nuclear explosion (Trinity site) had been conducted and where we were testing V-2 rockets would be of interest to any visitors as would the base where there were other nuclear weapons. Furthermore, one must say that Jesse's first description to me surely contradicts the lies told to Colonel Weaver by Cavitt... just a little balloon covering a 20-square area which would fit in one vehicle. _Nonsense_. If that had been the case, Brazel would have dropped it off in town and Jesse and Cavitt would never have gone out there and filled 2 vehicles and left most of it behind... spreading over an area more than 1/2 mile long and hundreds of feet wide. Selective choice of data is one of the hallmarks of the propagandist. Incidentally, I will be speaking at Victor Valley College in Victorville, CA, at 6PM, Wednesday, October 2, in the Performing Arts Center and at Vision Quest on Scottsdale Rd, Scottsdale, Arizona, the afternoon of Saturday, October 5 for a MUFON Arizona Conference with Travis Walton, Constance Clear, and Albert Taylor. I've just returned from the very impressive 21st Annual Leeds (UK) UFO Conference Sept.20-22.(Sponsored by UFO Magazine of Leeds). I was the target of a successful conspiracy, involving my wife no less, which can be read about at http://www.ufo- aliens.co.uk/conference.htm and also at the tail end of http://www.ufomag.co.uk awards section. Dr.Roger Leir gave an outstanding talk as did Michael Hesseman and others. My talk was a repeat of my new, still evolving, lecture "Critiquing the Roswell Critics". My Scottsdale talk will be "Some of my Favorite UFO Cases", whereas in Victorville, it will be "Flying Saucers ARE Real!" Stan Friedman
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:24:06 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:41:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:03 -0700 >Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 >>Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>UFO conference >>Truth is out there, in Mason >Yeah, yeah. >The Truth is out there. >Will somebody kindly inform me of the origin of this often used, >but highly unhelpful phrase? My, my. You must be an 'X-file-a-phobe'. So far as I know the phrase first appeared in the first X-Files show that was 8 or 9-years ago (don't recall which year it started). Anyway, creater was Chris Carter... so I suppose he is the 'f'-head you refer to.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:58:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:18:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Hatch >From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:43:20 +0200 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data <snip> >I may be wrong, because I am not a specialist on the Roswell >case, but I have a strong feeling that there are several >Roswell scenarios, not just one! >>For example, I'd like to have the List's opinion about >these points: >- Where is the site located, exactly? Dear Gregory: After fussing with this for years, nobody has a good physical fix on the actual location of the Roswell matter. Here is the best I can do, after fussing with maps fop years! I love maps, and have various ways of determining the following coordinates: ==>105:18:20W 33:56:40N <== I cannot guarantee those numbers. Please note that I only write to 20 seconds accuracy for L/L. I could easily be off by minutes, not seconds. >- When did the crash, supposedly, happen - what day? After many long hours, I came up with this: #775: 1947/7/3, i.e. the third of July, 1947. ..which still leaves me with an uneasy feeling. Clearly this date could be wrong by 3 days or more. >- What was the exact surface of the remains found? My understanding was that it had a rough grey matte surface, with a decent tooth, which would admit some use of charcoals, but which argues against the use of oils. I suppose most of that Roswell debris could be used as a chalk and sun venue, with natural colors blended in with the landscape. The original material must be guarded against juvenile 'tagging' and vandalism in any case. Best wishes - Larry Hatch
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Anthony From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:00:36 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:22:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Anthony >From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:45:46 -0400 >Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:32:38 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols <snip> >I've been too busy to follow these threads carefully, but no one >seems to have mentioned Mario Pazzaglini's 1991 Monograph >entitled 'Symbolic Messages - An Introduction to a Study of >"Alien" writing'. Hi List, Steven, I have Mario Pazzaglini's 'Symbolic Messages' it has some very pertinent material for this topic and makes valid points for anyone undertaking a study, including the mention of archetypal symbols. It was what inspired me to take a further look at this aspect. What 'Symbolic Messages' doesn't have, in regard to the samples cited and those used in this study, is an analysis of the 'structure' of alleged alien languages. Pazzaglini tried to incorporate everything else but neglected this one important and crucial part, despite the many other linguistic components cited. Demonstrably this must be where Pazzaglini's linguistic knowledge ends and is one of several areas that need undertaking, not least by linguists and cryptanalysts. If a linguist was to study Pazzaglini's book this is the first thing he/she would point out, lack of structure analysis. Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 UFO Sighting Over Montreal, Quebec From: Brian Vike <yogibear@bulkley.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:20:13 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:26:38 -0400 Subject: UFO Sighting Over Montreal, Quebec Hi List Here is a report I received by way of email this morning. I pasted as is, except for the witnesses name and phone number which has been deleted from the letter. Take care Brian HUFOBCC --- UFO Sighting in Montreal, Quebec, Canada Location: Champlain Bridge Time: 7:40 pm Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 I was driving on the Champlain Bridge going South. It was raining. I was in the middle lane almost on the highest point of the bridge when I saw from the corner of my eye, what looked liked a plane flying extremely low, coming from my right. As I was getting to the highest point of the bridge (under the metal structure) the lights flew over the bridge in a horizontal flight pattern (it slowed down when crossing over the bridge) I then had a good look at the light formation. It then increased speed, where it broke its flight line at a right angle going up into the sky over St-Lambert. As I was driving under the structure, I realized that what I was looking at, was not a plane. The light formation was not a plane or anything else I had seen before. It seemed that cars slowed down. I was stunned. What I'd like to know, did you get reports from others? Did anyone else see this thing? I could not have been the only one, who else saw this? Description of UFO: The basic shape of the craft looked like a small square which is wider at the top, almost like a truncated triangle or a geometric 'U' that widens half way up. The whole thing was the size of the small truck. I have a feeling I was looking at the end of the craft because I saw a light formation with lights that were circular, flat and red, which you would of seen at the back old car in the fifties. The lights were not 'bulb like' but rather extremely flat, and the diameter of these lights were the size of a dinnerplate. Four lights on each side and three at the bottom of the geometric 'U'. Please let me know if you hear of any other reports from this sight. All of a sudden this thing seems very important to me, I just want to know that others have seen this too and I am not losing my mind. Email Report --- Thankyou to the witness for their report.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 This Is UFO UpDates Archive Message #40,000 From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:30:34 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:30:34 -0400 Subject: This Is UFO UpDates Archive Message #40,000 As one who likes to keep an eye on numbers, I note that this post marks the 40,000th to the Archive..... ebk
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: incinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Ledger From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:32:12 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:41:37 -0400 Subject: Re: incinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Ledger >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:03 -0700 >Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 >>Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>UFO conference >>Truth is out there, in Mason >Yeah, yeah. >The Truth is out there. >Will somebody kindly inform me of the origin of this often used, >but highly unhelpful phrase? >This is not entirely inconsequential. We wasted gallons of >electronic ink trying to figure out which doofus came up with >"little green men" to no avail. >Now, while memories are fresh, I ask once again: >Which f***head came up with "the truth is out there"? >I'm sure he or she meant better. Hi Larry, Probably some writer on the X-Files series or Carter himself. The story itself was lame. It's a collection of cliche UFO putdowns - and a throw-away piece anyway. Looks like it was recycled from some other piece I've read a dozen times and the date changed, then freshened with the use of a certain UFO free-loaders name and tired insults. Don
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Friedman From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:38:40 -0300 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Friedman >From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:43:20 +0200 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>Depends on what witness testimony is excluded. If you exclude >>everything that doesn't fit a particular theory (say Mogul) then >>I suppose things would fit closely to whatever a person is >>advancing. >I may be wrong, because I am not a specialist on the Roswell >case, but I have a strong feeling that there are several >Roswell scenarios, not just one! >For example, I'd like to have the List's opinion about >these points: >- Where is the site located, exactly? >- When did the crash, supposedly, happen - what day? >- What was the exact surface of the remains found? 1.The crash occurred out in the middle of the large Foster sheep ranch at least 10 miles from a road. There are tens of thousands of square miles just like it in the area about 80 miles Northwest of Roswell and perhaps 30 miles South east of Corona..Hence the book title "Crash at Corona" by Don Berliner and myself. It is private land.. there are gates and fences. There is nothing special about it 2. It really makes no difference. There are no known witnesses to the crash as it happened. Mack Brazel found the large area covered with debris on July 3, 1947. He went into Corona on Saturday, July 5, where he first heard about flying saucers at the general store-pool hall. It was suggested that there was a reward and that he should go to the Sherrif's in Roswell which he did on Sunday July 6, 1947. He talked to Sherrif Wilcox who called the base and talked to Major Marcel who talked to his boss Colonel Blanchard after checking out the small amount of wreckage brought in by Brazel. Blanchard told Marcel to follow Brazel out with a CIC guy.. Cavitt. They spent the night in sleeping bags, reviewed the debris on July 7 and came back to down that night. The press release was issued by Walter Haut on Blanchard's orders on July 8. Jesse took the wreckage on a B-29 to Fort Worth that same day etc etc etc. 3. I don't understand the question... surface of what? Remains of what? >By my reading of the books/papers by Karl Pflock, Kent Jeffrey >and some other authors (including pro-Roswell), I understood >that these points varied a lot, depending on which testimony you >include, or not, in order to build the history. Looks like >people don't discuss the same event, each one taking fits his >first impression on the case (with the exception of Jeffrey and >Pflock, who changed their final opinion after their own >enquiries). I would suggest you read my detailed response to Kent Jeffrey's article on my website: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfpage.html My next MUFON Journal column is about Pflock and Moseley's anti- Roswell stand among other topics. >My understanding of the case, for example, I cannot trust the >assertions of one Franck Kaufman, neither can I trust the work >of Donald Schmidt, who lied on some important points about his >background while writing a book with Randle. One doesn't need the late Frank Kaufman's testimony at all as I noted in my MUFON 2000 paper "Roswell and the MJ-12 Documents in the New Millennium". Yes, Don lied about his educational and job status... but not to me. >Any opinions? There has been massive misrepresentation about Roswell in numerous books and papers, including several by Academics. Arm chair theorists abound. Stan Friedman Fredericton New Brunswick Canada
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Maccabee From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:51:11 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:58:48 -0400 Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Maccabee >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0700 >Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:56:26 +1000 >>Subject: New Daylight UFO Photos >>Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm >Very interesting. People may want to compare it to the very >similar so-called "Nellis UFO" and other multi-lobed objects >filmed over the last 10 years. See write-up at my Web-site: >http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/nellis_main.html >A good image analysis is needed here to minimize the likelihood >of hoax, since the images are digital and easier to fake than >photos. Bruce Maccabee, are you out there and interested? I have just posted my analysis of Ed Walters' Jan 12, 1994 "F15/UFO" photos for comparison with the recent photos and with other photos such as those on your site. See: www.brumac.8k.com/GulfBreeze/F15UFO/F15UFOCASE.html. I have not been provided with copies of the new photos and without the name of the witness there is no way to check up on that sighting.
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Anthony From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:41:09 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:01:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Anthony >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:48:08 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez <snip> >The Sherlock Holmes character once said that, "The best place to >'hide' something is in open view." Why don't you pay a visit to >the Abduction Information Center Homepage and carefully check >out 'three' of the graphical elements I incorporated into the >logo at the top-left of the page. <snip> >The cat is out of the bag. Enjoy. Hi List, John, John, to any who did not take your hiding in plain view remark verbatim and to the more observant who may have spotted, you actually set this moggy free in February of 2001, well over a year ago on this list. See: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2001/feb/m28-026.shtml Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Goldstein From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:11:50 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:05:57 -0400 Subject: Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Goldstein >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:12:01 -0400 >Subject: Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs >>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 04:42:04 +1000 >>Subject: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs >>I have too much spare time on my hands at present, as work is >>slow lately. So I decided to write this article, I hope you >>enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it. Comments are >>most welcome! :) >>THE MYSTERIES OF THE MARTYRS - by David Acres >>Checking back on some old research links, I found one that I >>couldn't recall visiting. I was researching the bible/UFO >>connection at that time, & I was mainly using the King James >>version, I shelved the project before I got to the Catholic >>versions of the scriptures. I intend to continue this >>fascinating research as time permits. >>I find the following chapter both interesting & intriguing. How >>had these brave souls resisted screaming & kicking from flames & >>torture? Did someone slip them opium or some other painkiller? >>Had they fasted beforehand and exhausted themselves through >>prayer & dancing, inducing a trance-like state, like the >>circumcision rites of native tribes? Or were they truly miracles >>performed by God or His Angels? >I don't pretend to have answers to any of those questions. But I >do know that the human brain produces a chemical compound that >closely resembles opiate derivatives. It is released auto- >matically into the bloodstream whenever the body is severely >shocked or injured. These pain relieving compounds are called >"endorphins" I think. >I've had a couple of really nasty/bad cuts in my time. Deep ones >that required stitches. After the initial shock and pain they >both went numb right away. I didn't feel pain again until they >had been treated/sewn-up. >I believe the same goes for broken bones and the like. 'Some' of >the super-human endurance and tolerance to pain that these >Christian martyrs may have exhibited could be due to this >'natural narcotic' that gets released into the blood the second >the body is injured/traumatized. >Good question for a physician! Hello John and David, I don't want to intrude on anyone's religious faith beliefs but one also has to look at what scholarship has revealed about the origins of the bible and religions. Even a simple Google search under origins of Christianity, origins of Judaism, origins of Islam, will reveal to you what historians, arecheologists, etc. have learned regarding the Bible and its King James version. I strongly suggest that you acquaint yourself with the above before looking for literal truth in the Bible and certainly before considering being driven by blind faith and its psychological needs. Of course those needs often obscure believers from having any sense of objectivity in the murky world of religious faith, just as we have constantly seen in the UFO arena. The answer is really simple. Just send all your money not required for basic living and all your questions to me, Josh, the new demi-God of my self-constructed demi-world. Yes, Demi Moore is the new demi-Goddess. I could teach her to be free of pain through my tantric ecstacy lessons. I offer these lessons to all female Listerions for no charge so that you can Discover the God and the Goddess Within You, through stimulating "reserection" techniques. Learn to be the driver of your own chakras that stimulate the proper brain locatilns. They are much more powerful than endorphins. This can be practiced alone but joint sessions with someone of the opposite sex are best. All donations will be personally blessed. <g> Josh
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:33:01 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:33:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Speiser >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:03 -0700 >Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 >>Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>UFO conference >>Truth is out there, in Mason >Yeah, yeah. >The Truth is out there. >Will somebody kindly inform me of the origin of this often used, >but highly unhelpful phrase? >This is not entirely inconsequential. We wasted gallons of >electronic ink trying to figure out which doofus came up with >"little green men" to no avail. >Now, while memories are fresh, I ask once again: >Which f***head came up with "the truth is out there"? Chris Carter. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Round In Circles From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:33:25 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:33:25 -0400 Subject: Round In Circles http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5181281%255E401,00 .html Round In Circles Rodney Chester September 28, 2002 If the 'croppies' are right, there is a race of aliens who travel across the universe to communicate with the people of Earth, and the way they choose to leave their message is through crop circles that no one understands. And if you are a croppie, like Nancy Talbott, this type of scenario could make perfect sense. What's more, she believes she can prove it. Well, at least she believes she can prove that there is something about these crop circles that is definitely not man- made. Talbott is part of the group who believes there is something non-Earthly about these funny shapes in fields around the world and is using the tools of science to prove it. Her research team believes "it is possible that we are observing the effects of a new or as yet undiscovered energy source". The strange geometric circles that some believe are a sign from another species have been appearing in English wheat fields since the late 1970s, with up to 10,000 circles reported around the world. A dedicated group of researchers including Talbott, aided by the hype of the Mel Gibson movie Signs, say there is "evidence" that something is not kosher about the circles. Talbott's work follows a breakthrough geologist Diane Conrad claims to have made after examining soil samples taken from a crop circle near her Utah home. The soil was not what you might expect. The preliminary results showed that the soil had a significant increase in its crystallinity, meaning that the crystals within the soil were more ordered. In short, the researchers say the soil's crystal structure appeared to be similar to crystals normally found in sedimentary rock which has been exposed for hundreds of thousands of years to heat from the Earth's core and the pressure of tonnes of overlying rock. Not that everyone accepts that evidence as proof, with sceptics, crop circle creators and scientists pointing to the lack of scientific rigour in the work of Conrad and others. If the science of these croppies is so good, why hasn't it been published in respected peer-related scientific journals, those in the science community typically ask. Certainly, even the croppies acknowledge that many of the crop circles are man-made. That is evidence impossible to refute, when you consider that some of the crop circle creators now go public about their work. England's community of circle makers now have their own website in which they detail the geometrically complex crop circles they have made, give tips on how to make your own circle using a footboard attached to a length of rope, and criticise croppies and those who believe them for accepting what they see as dodgy research techniques as science. "In their attempts to create a universal acceptance of the crop circles' paranormal origins, leading cerealogists often pretend a relationship with orthodox science," the site's beginner guide to crop-circle making says. "Such phrases as 'we are working closely with scientists' or, 'we are awaiting the results of analysis' are commonly used in press releases, for instance, or on the lecture circuit. "As well as the possibility that this might fool gullible, provincial journalists who aren't particularly bothered if they parrot rubbish to their readership, this provides a certain security amongst the rank-and-file researchers, who, when pressed, will cite the need for only one circle to be proved to be 'of unknown origin', thereby justifying their pursuance of the phenomenon." The site has examples of patterns they have made that some labelled as too intricate to be a hoax until the hoaxers came forward with proof of it being a man-made creation. Talbott, who describes herself as a music producer with a research background, runs the BLT Research Team, with New York businessman John Burke and Michigan biophysicist Dr William Levengood, which is dedicated to science and the circles. The group believes that the key to solving the mystery of the circles could be in the soil. The BLT Research Team says its study of the soil taken from the circles has shown that the strange shapes were made by some form of extreme but unknown energy. Levengood has reported finding tiny holes in the plant stems that he says are caused by microwave energy heating the plants from the inside out, turning the water they contains into steam. Levengood and Burke have patented a way to replicate this phenomena, claiming it could lead to new types of plants that grow faster than their conventional equivalents. Conventional scientists typically quickly dismiss the BLT claims, but not everyone is as sceptical. New York philanthropist Laurance S. Rockefeller recently funded the research team to embark on its biggest crop examination yet. Soil samples were taken from crop circles in the Netherlands and the US, along with hundreds of plant and soil samples from a seven-circle barley formation in Canada, and were examined using a process similar to that adopted by Conrad. Preliminary results showed crystal growth similar to those achieved in a laboratory when temperatures of more than 600C are used. Seeking confirmation of the findings from the scientific community, Talbott sent the results to emeritus professor of geology and mineralogy at Dartmouth College, Dr Robert Reynolds, who is considered a world expert in X-ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals. In a letter to the BLT team, Reynolds wrote that the heat required to have made the observed changes in crystallinity would have incinerated the plants. "In short, I believe that our present knowledge provides no explanation," Reynolds said. The BLT Research Team's website says that an academic paper presenting the "remarkable results" of this study is in progress and will be submitted for publication soon. Whatever the full study finds, it is unlikely to convince Joe Nickell, a senior research fellow of the sceptics group called the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. Nickell has studied the crop circle phenomenon for decades, and believes all crop circles are the work of hoaxers. "The escalation in appearances correlated directly with the increase in media coverage," he says. "For years the phenomenon was concentrated in southern England. "Only after media reports spread internationally did crop circles begin to appear in significant numbers elsewhere." While the croppies are experiencing increased interest in their work thanks to the release of the movie Signs, the sceptics also are glad the movie has appeared. "It's about time that crop circles get put in their proper place," Nickell says. "Crop circles are the stuff of Hollywood fiction, not science." Copyright The Australian --- UFO UpDates thanks www.theanomalist.com for the lead
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman@psln.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:51:04 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:35:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gehrman >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA> >>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:58:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) >>Fwd Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:43:22 -0400 >>Subject: Falsified and Fabricated Data <snip> >Sometimes establishment science is guilty of perpetrating its >own brand of scientific fraud. An example given was the debacle >surrounding Pons and Fleischman's announcement of cold fusion. >At first Pons and Fleischman were accused of bad science or >fraud by the establishment. They lost their funding and had >their careers severely damaged by the establishment >condemnations of their research. This also had the effect of >frightening off many other researchers. In the meantime, big- >money "hot fusion" and standard nuclear energy killed off a >potential competitor. Professional jealousy and rigid thinking >by other scientists also no doubt played a big part. >According to the program, it is now generally accepted that P & >F were definitely on to something, though not necessarily "cold >fusion" per se. Under the right experimental conditions, >electrolysis of water does yield more energy than put in. But >the self-righteous scientific attacks on P & F's anomalous >findings set back research 10-15 years. It's not a pretty story. >And it is by no means the only example in the history of science >where the "establishment" killed off promising lines of >research. David, Nick, Another example is the preposterous mystical concept that "Prions", so-called mutant protein molecules, can cause diseases, mainly Mad Cow Disease. There is no solid evidence that this is true, but for some unknown reason, the scientific establishment now insists that this is so. By doing this, they have ignored research about another possible infectious agent, spiroplasma. http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/reaction/madcow2.html Also David: I,too, want to think you for your excellent research on Roswell. Ed
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Stanton Friedman From: Anthony Chippendale <anthony@thechippendales.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:45:55 +0100 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: Stanton Friedman I would just like to publicly say a big thank you to Stan Friedman for his lecture at the recent 21st Leeds Inernational UFO Conference which I attended. It was a very enjoyable and interesting lecture, the best of the weekend! Also I would like to congratulate him on his Lifetime Achievement award at the conference, he certainly deserves it. Well done Stan! Anthony Chippendale Leeds, England
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:54:15 +0200 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:39:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:58:54 -0700 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>- What was the exact surface of the remains found? >My understanding was that it had a rough grey matte surface, with a decent tooth, which would admit some use of charcoals, but which argues against the use of oils. Please excuse my English, sometimes I lack the right words. With my question "What was the exact surface of the remains?" I wanted to ask: what were the length and width of the territory covered by the debris? The size of it is an important point in order to find what exactly crashed that day near Roswell. Thanks a lot for your kind answer, Regards, Gregory Gutierez Paris, France
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:35:13 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:04:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall >From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:59:50 +0100 >Subject: Re: Symbols >Hi List, >To address some of the recent posts on alleged alien symbols. >Archetypal imagery is one of the most misinterpreted notions on >the planet and this is stressed by psychologists who claim >expertise. Jung edited a book in 1961, which was an attempt to >begin understanding archetypal symbols and this was co-written >by a few eminent psychologists entitled 'Man and his Symbols.' >Rather than be a tome filled with technical terms, it was a book >that was written to be accessible to the general reader and that >would be a good place for anyone to make a start. >There are many archetypal symbols and some of these are relevant >to the study of alleged alien motifs and language. We are >examining this aspect carefully. >As to the question regarding crop circle similarities; there are >a few which we have come across. >I would like to see Jim Speiser's lexicon of alleged alien >semiotics from Corder - if he still has a copy? >In reference to Dick Hall's statement about not having time to >search through archetypal images to compare with alleged alien >symbols; I have a suggestion. Dick please sort out and send any >examples to me; and I will place these in a data set where this >will happen anyway and I will let you know what the results are? >It is actually better to do it this way round rather than the >other! Better for whom? Sorry, I can't do this because the abductee drawings (rather than "symbols" which can be very misleading terminology) were given to me in confidence. As I said before, show me some "archetypal symbols" and I will tell you candidly whether or not there is any resemblance. John Velez and I have seen the same set of abductee renderings, plus I have worked with well over 100 abductees in my vicinity. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Symbols - Sandow From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:39:18 -0400 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:06:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Sandow >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >After Budd brought me out of the trance-state, he asked me if I >could reproduce (draw) the symbol and the characters I had been >shown. "No problem, I'm an artist," I told him. He handed me a >pencil and a large yellow legal pad and I gave him what he asked >for. >I have only seen the blood run out of a man's face twice in my >life. It is an eerie thing to witness. One of those times was >the moment Budd took a look at what I had drawn. You can't fake >a reaction like that. It made the hairs on neck and arms stand >on end. He mumbled something rapid-fire at me that sounded like; >'Don't move. Stay right here... I'll be right back." And off he >went. >He was gone about five minutes. When he returned he was winded >and clutching a purple, plastic file folder to his chest. He sat >down next to me, handed me the yellow piece of paper I had just >drawn the symbols on, and he placed the purple folder in front >of me. He didn't say a word. >I opened the folder and I saw that it contained several (about >six) different sized pieces of paper with 'writing' on them. On >closer inspection I saw that they resembled the same type of >symbols that I had just reproduced. Then the real shockeroo >came, on the top page in front of me I spotted one of the >symbols I had just drawn. Not simply similar or close in >appearance, but a dead-on match. The _same_ character that >appeared on my yellow paper. >Then I spotted another dead-match on the second page. As I >flipped through the pages tears started to run down my face and >all I could think to ask Budd was, "What the hell is this? Where >did you get it?" His response was of no comfort to me and only >served to deepen a malaise that had taken hold of my gut. I felt >physically sick, like I wanted to throw up. I also felt terribly >confused. >How could these people, people I had never met or even heard of, >reproduce the same characters that I had just drawn. All of the >papers in the folder were dated and signed. Some had been >written years ago. This was no mere coincidence. John told me this story some years ago. But of course I wasn't going to pass it on, not with his name attached. I'm glad he's telling it, though. And I heard a similar story from another abductee. She, if I remember correctly, didn't remember seeing the symbols in a UFO. She'd been doodling them since she was a child, without knowing what they were. After she started looking into what she felt were abduction experiences, she wondered if the symbols might be connected. She drew them for Budd -- and had an experience much like the one John describes. I've seen her drawings of the symbols, and I've seen John's. They're very nearly identical. In fact, I've seen 14 items from Budd's collection of symbols drawn by, last I heard, 35 different people. Maybe what I just wrote isn't clear -- I mean I've seen 14 of the original drawings abductees have given to Budd. I got chills when I saw them. They're startlingly similar. Not just somewhat similar. Shockingly similar. I think this is the best single piece of abduction evidence I've ever seen or heard of. If John and the other abductee I talked to are telling the truth, and if Budd is telling the truth about how he got the other samples -- then why are so many people independently drawing the same thing? About Stuart Appelle. I don't think he's likely to get involved in this research, for the simple reason that it's not his field. He's a psychologist (I don't know what his specialty in psychology might be, but I see from his university's website that he's now an associate dean). I'm not sure what speciality you'd need to analyze purported alien writing, but I can imagine that linguists and cryptographers might be helpful. In any case, Stuart never said he'd study the material himself. In his capacity as the editor of the Journal of UFO Studies, he said he'd try to find qualified people to make the study, and would publish their findings. I don't think he can help us himself. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 28 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Rudiak From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:04:51 -0700 Fwd Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:10:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Rudiak >From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:06 -0400 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>The fact that Moore seriously fudged his data regarding his >>Mogul balloon doesn't directly tell us anything about whether a >>flying disk crashed near Roswell. It does, however, tell us that >>his lost Mogul Flight #4 was very unlikely to have reached the >>Foster Ranch, given the existing wind data. >Hi David, everyone, >I have no definitive opinion on the Roswell case, especially on >the Mogul explanation, but in the book by Karl Pflock this >theory seems pretty efficient in order to explain what had been >found on the site (one question is: which site is it exactly?). With regards to Charles Moore and his hoax, I was talking about the Brazel or Foster Ranch debris field, for which Moore claimed he "calculated" a trajectory that took his little lost Mogul Flight 4 "exactly" to it. Why are you confused about this? That is also the crash site Moore and Pflock are discussing. >Now I would discuss the goal of your demonstration about what >you call the "Moore hoax". "The goal of my demonstration", as you put it, was to demonstrate that Moore's trajectory is definitely faked. Maybe you should think for a minute about the implications of this. One is the credibility of Charles Moore. Pflock's book, which you so obviously fawn over, leans very heavily on many Moore statements concerning Project Mogul and his opinions concerning what happened at Roswell. None of these are analyzed critically by Pflock. But, if Moore is prone to shading the truth, then his statements should not be accepted at face value. E.g., at one point Pflock states that the Fort Worth photos definitely show the remains of more than one balloon and radar reflector. What is the source of Pflock's "fact?" Look at his citations, and you will see it is none other than Charles Moore. And where did Moore come up with this? Did he carefully analyze the photos before making such a determination? No, it is nothing but an eyeball estimate. In contrast I have spent many hours reconstructing a 3-D model of the debris in a computer. It turns out the balloon debris will all fit into a typical shoe box and is probably accounted for by a single balloon. The foil/paper panels in the photos are also accounted for by a singular radar target, and probably so are the sticks in the photos. So careful analysis does not support Moore. This isn't necessarily lying on Moore's part, but just an illustration that even so-called authorities do not always know what they are talking about and are apt to draw conclusions supporting their preconceived biases. But Pflock cites Moore's opinion as a fact. Moore isn't so innocent when it comes to the condition of the balloon in the Fort Worth photos. Moore in his 1994 AF interview stated that the neoprene material darkened within days and showed his interviewer how it deteriorated to a brittle, paper ash-like state within 3 weeks of exposure to the N.M. sun. But when I started pointing out on the Internet how the balloon material in the photos looked like it was still flexible and mostly intact even after allegedly being in the sun for a month, Moore flip-flopped. Robert Todd then started quoting Moore as saying it would take several months to reach the ashlike state. Then in 1997 on Scientific American Frontiers, Moore was right back to demonstrating his ashlike neoprene after 2-3 weeks of sun. And Wendy Connors photographed him doing another demonstration only 2 years ago. This is just one more example of how Moore has played fast and loose with the data. So when Pflock writes that Mogul was this or Mogul definitely did that, be sure to check the citations, and almost invariably they will be from Charles Moore. Buyer beware. Now here is another very important implication. With the wind data Moore used, it is _highly improbable_ that Flight #4 could have gotten to the Foster Ranch. The winds were blowing too strongly and in too much of an easterly direction. Any set of halfway reasonable assumptions always ends up with the balloons badly overshooting the debris field crash site and ending up many miles to the east and north of the site. The only way Moore could get Flight #4 to the ranch was by using a set of _improbable_ assumptions and then secretly changing some of his wind data numbers. So when Moore is quoted as saying that this was a "possible" trajectory to the ranch, this represents nothing but his use of "weasel words." on his part. It is "possible" for any of us to win the lottery, but how probable is it? Moore should have been discussing how probable his trajectory was, something he never did do, and for good reason. Getting Flight 4 to the ranch is something like winning a poker hand with four Aces. It's a very improbable fringe event. Once you realize that, then the so-called "balloon testimony" becomes much more suspect. And it never was particularly strong to begin with, as detailed below. > Allow me to notice that, IMHO, the >main point is that the remains of a Mogul device would fit very >closely the testimonies of witnesses (once you excluded some >dubious ones, as do Karl Pflock in his book). Right! Exclude all the contrajectory testimony of anomalous debris on flimsy pretexts, as Pflock does, and all you are left with is balloon testimony. This is Pflock behaving just like Moore and cooking the books to support his Mogul conclusion. It's an old propaganda trick. E.g., to dismiss the many witnesses to Capt. Oliver Henderson's statements that he flew alien bodies and Roswell saucer debris to Wright Field, Pflock tries to portray Henderson as a "practical joker." Yes, according to Pflock, Henderson simply lied to his wife and daughter to have some fun with them and they never suspected a thing. Have you bothered to ask yourself who should know the personality of Henderson better -- people who knew Henderson personally and intimately, or Pflock, who never knew Henderson at all? Let us deal quickly with the so-called "balloon witnesses", because if you analyze their stories critically (as Pflock fails to do), they tend to be very flimsy. 1. Jason Kellahin -- AP reporter dispatched from Albuquerque to Roswell to cover the story. Claims he saw a balloon crash site with Brazel and the military there right off the main highway. But he also claimed this was the Brazel ranch, which in reality was very remote and nowhere near any highways. It is simple math that Kellahin could not have made it out to Brazel's place, seen the crash site there, and gotten back to Roswell to interview Brazel that evening (a simple and vital point Pflock never considers). So if Kellahin did see a balloon crash site, it wasn't the "debris field" at Brazel's place but somewhere else. I have even proposed that maybe this was the real crash site of Flight #4, 30 miles NE of the debris field, and the military took Brazel there to coach him in what to say for his Roswell interview immediately afterwards. See the addendum of an "Alternate theory" at my Flight 4 discussion: www.roswellproof.homestead.com/flight4_trajectory.html 2. Mack Brazel's interview -- Widely quoted by skeptics, including Moore and Pflock, as powerful evidence that he found a Mogul at his ranch. But almost always missing from these discussions is the testimony of a number of witnesses, including Kellahin, that Brazel was accompanied by military and also recanted his balloon story at the very end of the interview. In a court of law, Brazel's statements would likely be treated as coerced testimony. What the heck was Brazel doing back in Roswell anyway giving a press interview? Have you ever asked yourself that? In his interview, he claimed that after Marcel and "the man in plain clothes" (Cavitt -- see below) left, that was the last he heard of it until the story broke. But how did a man with no electricity, no phone, no radio, and a 3 to 4 hour drive from Roswell hear the story break? And how did he get back to Roswell "after the story broke" within a few hours to supposedly clear up the record? All of this points to Brazel's story being cooked up by the military to reinforce Gen. Ramey's just-released weather balloon explanation in Fort Worth. As mentioned above, this may be related to Kellahin's story of seeing Brazel with the military at a balloon site just be before the interview. It should also be noted that parts of Brazel's story are in direct contradiction to that of other "balloon witnesses", such as Sheridan Cavitt. Also Brazel noted the absence of balloon twine. There should have been hundreds of feet of it tangled up in the brush. Not one debris field witness mentioned anything about it, not one. Where did it go? 3. Irving Newton, Ramey's weather officer -- Useless as a witness as to what was recovered on the debris field, since he was never there. Brought in at the very last minute to make an official identification of what Ramey had displayed in his office. But was this what was really recovered by Marcel in the field? Marcel said no, and backing him up was Ramey's Chief of Staff, Gen. Dubose, who said the weather balloon on display was their cover story to get the press off their backs. Newton, incidentally, is still of the opinion that debris in Ramey's office was from a standard, _singular_ weather balloon and radar target and could have come from anywhere, not Project Mogul. Ramey and minions also always represented the debris as a singular balloon and radar target. Where's the multi-balloon, multi-radar target Mogul in all this? 4. Walt Whitmore Jr., AKA "Reluctant": In the 1980 "Roswell Incident" Whitmore described anomalous debris and claimed he got out to the debris field only after the military had been there and cleaned everything up. But as Pflock's "Reluctant" in 1994, Whitmore now insisted on being anonymous and had changed his story. Now he claimed he got to Brazel's place before the military, saw balloon material, even collected some of it and still had it. But he could never produce it to back his claim. Furthermore some his debris descriptions were very much at odds with Brazel, the Fort Worth photos, Moore, and Mogul records. E.g., Whitmore claimed the foil was backed with a linen-like cloth. But the actual radar targets used a foil-paper no different that what you will find wrapping candy bars and chewing gum today. Furthermore, he claimed most of the foil pieces were smaller, none bigger than a sheet of paper, and none of the sticks was longer than a foot. This is in total disagreement with what is the Fort Worth photos, which shows mostly large sheets of the foil/paper and a number of sticks much longer than a foot. So we have a big change of story, an inability to produce claimed evidence, and testimony that conflicts with records and the photos of the alleged real balloon debris. This is far from compelling evidence for a Mogul crash. Whitmore was a flaky witness at best. 5. The Duffy and Trakowski story -- Supposedly Duffy, the original Mogul Project director, called up Trakowski, his successor, a few days after the Roswell incident and said they had flown up the debris to Wright Field, brought it to his home, and he identified it as coming from Mogul. Then both Duffy and Trakowski laughed at the stupidity of the people at Roswell. Problem is a recently found document places Duffy in New Jersey near Project Mogul headquarters, not at Wright Field Ohio. Furthermore in two letters to Robert Todd in 1991, portions of which are reproduced in Moore and Pflock's two books, Duffy never did identify what he supposedly viewed in 1947. Duffy helped develop the radar targets during the war. All he had to say was that he saw a weather balloon and one of his radar targets, the same as shown in Ramey's office. But Duffy talks all around the subject, saying maybe it was from a radiosonde, maybe it was a radar target, maybe it was from a rocket, maybe it was something else, he didn't know exactly what it was. Maybe that's because he wasn't there and never saw a thing. Or even if you accept the basic story, there is no clear chain of evidence from the debris field to Duffy's doorstep. They could have shown Duffy anything, not what was necessarily found. Where's the 100% positive Mogul ID in all this; that Pflock, Moore and the Air Force raved about? For a detailed, critical look at this story, see: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/RoswellSummary11.html 6. CIC-man Sheridan Cavitt, who went out with Marcel. Ah yes, Cavitt, the man who for years claimed he never was at Roswell. No wait, maybe he was at Roswell, but was on leave at the time. Or sometimes he was simultaneously at Roswell and in training back East. In any case, he was never involved and didn't know anything. But when the AF interviewed him in 1994, now he was at Roswell, now he was involved, but just barely, you see. He claimed to have never met rancher Brazel. Not only was this directly contradicted by Brazel in his interview (not to mention Marcel), it also makes no sense, since Cavitt never could have found his tiny balloon crash without him. Cavitt even claimed he didn't go out with Marcel. Yes, it wasn't Brazel's crash of 200 yards across, or Marcel's quoted description in 1947 of debris scattered over a square mile, now it was a tiny balloon crash no bigger than Cavitt's living room. Cavitt, the old career Army counter-intelligence man, was obviously lying and just repeating the 1947 weather balloon cover story. Again, where is the giant Mogul balloon crash in all this? Cavitt was also directly contradicted by his assistant, Bill Rickett, who talked about the anomalous properties of the debris, the high security, and the large clean-up operation afterwards. 7. Sheriff George Wilcox -- Quoted by United Press as saying that Brazel came in saying he thought he found "a weather meter." But Brazel directly contradicted this in his interview, saying he told the Sheriff that he thought maybe he had found a flying saucer. Furthermore, Brazel ended his interview saying that what he found wasn't anything like the two weather balloons he had previously found on his property. So why would he tell the Sheriff he thought it was a "weather meter?" The Wilcox family has said that Wilcox was threatened by the military, and one contemporaneous AP quote has Wilcox refusing to answer further questions about what the object looked like, saying he was "working with those fellows at the base." Like Brazel, smacks strongly of a coerced story. 8. Charles Moore -- Even if we ignore his more recent lying and hoaxing concerning Mogul, he was never a real Roswell debris witness, since he never saw what was recovered in the field. He is an expert witness on Mogul (if we can figure out when he isn't shading his testimony to support his obvious bias). Moore's opinions concerning the case have been strongly shaped by the Roswell Daily Record story of Brazel's interview, which he obviously accepts at face value, without ever considering the evidence of coercion and coaching that may have been involved. And should I mention again that Moore's little lost Mogul was very unlikely to have ended up at Brazel's ranch, despite Moore's flagrant cheating to try to show otherwise? 9. Bessie Brazel Schreiber. When everything is said and done, the whole Mogul balloon testimony boils down to the testimony of Mack Brazel's then 14-year-old daughter, and her descriptions of whitish tape with flower patterns on it. But was she even there? There is conflicting evidence. Neighbor Loretta Proctor says no way. Her brother Bill (who completely backed up Marcel's story about the debris field, explosion and anomalous debris) also says no, but in the "Roswell Incident" may have indicated otherwise, saying his father drove the family back to Tulerosa before reporting his find in Roswell. But that being the case, what do we make of Schreiber's testimony of being back at the ranch during the military recovery? How did she get back there? Or how about her more recent statements of being with her father in Roswell at the time? Schreiber's debris descriptions are also an imperfect match to Mogul. E.g., instead of foil/paper material, she called it a foil/rubber material. There was nothing like that on the radar targets. Her testimony is in my grey basket as interesting, possibly partly true, but also full of contradictions. Maybe she picked up the "flower tape" story from the newspaper or from her father. So there are the "balloon witnesses." The balloon testimony adds up to a number of seriously conflicting stories concerning descriptions of the debris and size of the debris field. There are witnesses who have changed their story, some who have obviously lied, some who weren't there and have no idea what was really found, and some who may have been coerced and coached as to what to say. This is hardly a compelling case that balloon debris was found at the Foster Ranch. >Could we easily state that one flying-saucer-from-outer-space >crashed in this area at the time, producing remains that look >quite the same as the ones of Mogul ballons build by human >beings, launched and sometimes lost in the same area, in the >same period? No, we could not easily state that, since you have thrown out all the testimony of debris that was not like that from a Mogul balloon. Furthermore, you are using the same circular reasoning as Moore, assuming that the Mogul was lost in the area, when there is really no evidence that was the case. As I argued in my critique of Moore, the far more probable crash site of Flight #4 would have been many dozens of miles away from the debris field based on Moore's own model and wind data. It could even have been a 100 miles or more. >There are two 'hard-to-swallow' statements for me: >1. A flying saucer crashes, stroke by lighting, near a big >military base of the world's leading nation of the time Why do you find it so odd that a surveillance craft should spend its time over the most advanced technological nation on the planet in an area which was the center of the nation's atomic and rocket research at the time? Did the U.S. send U-2 spy planes over Borneo or Russia? What would make more sense? Did the U-2's spy on military installations or bathing beaches? Again, what would make more sense if the purpose of overflights was surveillance? The fact of the matter is, early on military intelligence noticed that an unusual concentration of UFO sightings occurred near miiltary bases and sensitive research facilities such as White Sands, Los Alamos, and Oak Ridge. E.g., a 1952 briefing of the Canadians by Project Blue Book officers had them stating that 6% of all U.S. sighting reports occurred over the White Sands missile range area. If you want to check out the pattern of behavior for UFO sightings in the NM area at the time of the Roswell incident, check out my compilation of sightings at: www.roswellproof.homestead.com/NM_UFO_Reports.html Also check the maps: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/NM_Sightings_Graphics.html and you will see a concentration of sightings around White Sands/El Paso (major military bases, rocketry research), Roswell (atomic bomber base), Albuquerque (Sandia base, atomic research), Phoenix (major air base) and Tucson (major air base). Out of all the sightings I have listed here, not one was from Alamogordo where the Moguls were sent up, the closest one being about 30 miles away. Also there is no match in date or position between known Mogul flights and sightings further away. Trakowski, BTW, wrote a report a year later stating that exact conclusion, contradicting the story being put out July 9, 1947, at the Alamogordo balloon demonstration that their balloon launchings were triggering numerous flying saucer reports in the area. >2. By an astonishing chance, the remains of this flying saucer >look precisely like the ones of the Mogul device, tested in the >same area in the same period... No, again, you have thrown out all the contrary testimony of debris that was nothing like from a Mogul device. Like Moore and Pflock, you are begging the question. Quite unlike your statement at the beginning, you very much seem to have a definitive opinion as to what happened, as evidenced by your refusal to even consider the contradictory evidence. David Rudiak
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Symbols - Anthony From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:23:12 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:30:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Anthony >From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:59:50 +0100 >Subject: Re: Symbols >I would like to see Jim Speiser's lexicon of alleged alien >semiotics from Corder - if he still has a copy? Oh, I think I lined a bird cage with them long ago. Sorry! Very slight possibility Budd has them, but from what I've heard of his filing system, I wouldn't even bother. Corder later proved himself to be a fraud, and in fact even lost his medical license. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Symbols - Anthony From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:56:56 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:35:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Anthony >>From: Gary Anthony <garyant@mithrand.karoo.co.uk> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:59:50 +0100 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:35:13 +0000 >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall <snip> >>In reference to Dick Hall's statement about not having time to >>search through archetypal images to compare with alleged alien >>symbols; I have a suggestion. Dick please sort out and send any >>examples to me; and I will place these in a data set where this >>will happen anyway and I will let you know what the results are? >>It is actually better to do it this way round rather than the >>other! >Better for whom? Sorry, I can't do this because the abductee >drawings (rather than "symbols" which can be very misleading >terminology) were given to me in confidence. >As I said before, show me some "archetypal symbols" and I will >tell you candidly whether or not there is any resemblance. >John Velez and I have seen the same set of abductee renderings, >plus I have worked with well over 100 abductees in my vicinity. Hi List, Dick, Better for a scientific study! (As in the Oxford dictionary's 2nd definition of better, and not implying any person). It would be easier to submit 100 or so samples of alleged alien symbols than to submit more than a thousand or so archetypal symbols. I respect that you obtained abductee drawings in confidence and so we are back to an old chestnut. How does one submit such samples to a scientific study without breaking a confidence? Anonymity for the drawings and sources perhaps? This has been offered since day one... There are 294 people, globally who have contributed to the alien semiotics project, more than 270 are alleged abductees. Some who are well known and have been involved in the studies done by Budd Hopkins and others. To be truthful, I am appalled by the lack of openness on this aspect of the topic and by the long delays in scrutinising the information, despite the many constraints or excuses. It's about time UFOlogy learned to document it's information properly in it's literature and involve pertinent experts and anticipate interest from outside, welcome it and not discourage such. For example in this one aspect alone, I've learned that not one UFO researcher has ever involved a phonetician, linguist or psycholinguist in assessing witness information relating to alleged alien language. What a shame!! Especially since there are possibly some people out there who are having strange things happen to them, who have experienced language or language-like phenomenon and are curious about it; and yet the people they report it to do absolutely nothing about it. Best Regards Gary Anthony
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:29:26 +0200 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:04:51 -0700 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data Hi all, hi David, Thanks a lot for your very detailed answer to my questions. I must consider your contributions to the Roswell affair. It is indeed quite disturbing for the Mogul theory. >No, again, you have thrown out all the contrary testimony of >debris that was nothing like from a Mogul device. Like Moore and >Pflock, you are begging the question. Quite unlike your >statement at the beginning, you very much seem to have a >definitive opinion as to what happened, as evidenced by your >refusal to even consider the contradictory evidence. Sorry to disappoint you but I do not have a definitive opinion on Roswell. I believe we are here on the list in order to discuss facts and theories of ufology, and this includes "stressing" other people's statements and demonstrations (as you do with my statements, by the way). I trend to accept the works of Pflock and Jeffrey because I was convinced by their argumentation and by their honesty: they both begun their inquiry convinced that a UFO did crash in Roswell and they had the courage to get rid of their _a priori_ (this is not a proof that they're right). You can't call them skeptic as, for example, Klass or Menzel are skeptics (debunkers?). But the Mogul theory is not a belief for me, just material added to the case. By the way, your critics about Moore deserve an answer by him or other supporters of the Mogul theory. If they just ignore it, this would be a bad point for them. Let me just notice that your comments about the "Balloon" testimonies could be applied, word by word, to the "flying saucer" testimonies: "There are witnesses who have changed their story, some who have obviously lied, some who weren't there and have no idea what was really found" Let me just make reserves about the claims that the army coerced some important witnesses, like Brazel. It looks to me like assumptions and not facts. And it's an easy way to explain why, 40 years earlier, a witness' declarations were not the same as what he claim today for newspapers, writers or even sometimes his own benefit: "well, of course he didn't say that at the time! The army threatened him! He had to lie!". This "the-army-threatened-me" claim is very usefull for believers of the flying saucer theory in the Roswell case, but I cannot believe armymen did such a bad work during these years that today so many books, articles and studies are published based on declarations of the witnesses... Roswell is today a widely known name and story, and for the public at large "UFO" equals "Roswell". The army did a very bad job! I hope they didn't exploit the technology of the crashed ufo as stupidly as they manage to reduce witnesses to silence :) Regards, Gregory gutierez Paris, France
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Symbols - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:46:13 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:55:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Speiser >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:48:08 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Symbols >>>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>>>Subject: Symbols >Hi Jim, >You wrote: >>I guess ya had to be there... >No, just reading about it was enough to knock me off my chair >thank you. <LMAO!> <snip> >Then I spotted another dead-match on the second page. As I >flipped through the pages tears started to run down my face and >all I could think to ask Budd was, "What the hell is this? Where >did you get it?" His response was of no comfort to me and only >served to deepen a malaise that had taken hold of my gut. I felt >physically sick, like I wanted to throw up. I also felt terribly >confused. I take it this was the point at which you realized you weren't in Kansas anymore...in other words, it was "really" happening, not just a fig newton of your imagination... >How could these people, people I had never met or even heard of, >reproduce the same characters that I had just drawn. All of the >papers in the folder were dated and signed. Some had been >written years ago. This was no mere coincidence. Obviously, you all read the same obscure science fiction novel from the 1930s, and watched that episode of The Outer Limits! :- ) <snip> >Everybody has been patting me on the back for bringing the >subject of the 'exoglyphs' up again. The kudos belongs to you >Jim. If you hadn't brought the subject up we wouldn't be >discussing it. Thank you. :) Well, as I mentioned previously, it's one of two elements I'm aware of that potentially indicates objective reality of the phenomenon. The other is a doozy as well. What I'm about to describe I've never discussed publicly before, for reasons that will become obvious. Let me preface by saying that I am now and have always been a sort of benign skeptic on the UFO subject, as I am with all paranormal and supernatural phenomena. So far, UFOs and maybe cattle mutilations have my fullest attention, the rest, from astrology to (crypto)zoology, seems to be a lot of hooey. OK, MAYBE Bigfoot. I have investigated UFOs and abductions, and while I still think it's way too early to jump on the ETH bandwagon, something extremely out of the ordinary is happening and deserves the closest look possible. I had exactly one abduction case that I handled in-depth, a woman named Linda (not THAT Linda!). I met her at a local conference, and she kinda latched on to me after being frustrated by the treatment she got from MUFON. I brought her to a trained, non-UFO-interested hypnotist, to try to round out her memories (which she mostly recalled without hypnosis). During one of the sessions, an incident spilled out which seemed interesting, but which I hadn't seen in the literature. She claimed that one of the entities, I think it was the "leader," brought his face within inches of hers and began to stare into her eyes. She said they were literally nose-to-...er, slits. She was frightened, but could not bring herself to look away. This lasted for about a minute. I had happened to meet Dave Jacobs at a UFO conference in Santa Barbara, where we discussed Linda's case. He asked me to keep in touch with him about it. After the session where the stare-down incident came out, I called Dave and started to bring him up to date on the case. However, before I could get to the part about the stare-down, he asked me if one of the entities had gotten his face real close to Linda's and began to stare. Of course, I was flabbergasted - and still am. Dave told me he calls this procedure "Mindscan" (for reasons which he is even today unsure of). He said it was not for publication, for at that time he had never gone public with this particular element, but it was virtually endemic to all his cases. This was all ten years ago. You may have noticed the other day I asked for Dave's email address. I got it and wrote to him, asking him if this mindscan was still a trade secret. He says he has published it in both of his subsequent books, so it's OK for me to talk about it here. As I said, I'm not fully on-board with the ETH, and I am open to any prosaic, maybe even psycho-social explanations for UFOs and abductions. But whatever that explanation may be, it had better do a DAMN good job of encompassing this little-known scenario, and it better tell me how Linda was able to perceive an experience which is common to many abductees, without having read about it in any literature, UFO or otherwise. John, out of curiosity, was this "mindscan" a part of your experience? ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Symbols - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:23:22 +1000 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:59:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Acres >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols <snip> >Everybody has been patting me on the back for bringing the >subject of the 'exoglyphs' up again. The kudos belongs to you >Jim. If you hadn't brought the subject up we wouldn't be >discussing it. Thank you. :) Hi John. Thanks for sharing this information. Although traumatic, it must have also been somewhat of a relief! To know that others had verified your testimony. The confirmation that you weren't losing your marbles must have been pleasing! :) I wonder why the Alien felt it was so important for you to study & learn them? Was it for this very purpose? Was it a form of subversive proof? I say this, because if they wanted you to have obvious proof, they could have just taken a Polaroid of you surrounded by them and one would be holding the latest issue of "The Intergalactic Times" or somesuch! ;) Or is there another less obvious reason, that will become apparent to you in the future? They certainly operate in mysterious ways, every bit as puzzling as our Governments continuos denial of them! As scary as the whole abuction phenomenom is, I can't help but be fascinated & welcome more information on the subject. If you care to share more, it will be welcomed by me! Even if you just want an ear to listen, feel free to mail me anytime Amigo! :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:40:02 +1000 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:09:16 -0400 Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos - Acres >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:51:11 -0400 >Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:38:04 -0700 >>Subject: Re: New Daylight UFO Photos >>>From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:56:26 +1000 >>>Subject: New Daylight UFO Photos >>>Source: http://www.rense.com/general29/astn.htm >>Very interesting. People may want to compare it to the very >>similar so-called "Nellis UFO" and other multi-lobed objects >>filmed over the last 10 years. See write-up at my Web-site: >>http://www.roswellproof.homestead.com/nellis_main.html >>A good image analysis is needed here to minimize the likelihood >>of hoax, since the images are digital and easier to fake than >>photos. Bruce Maccabee, are you out there and interested? >I have just posted my analysis of Ed Walters' Jan 12, 1994 >"F15/UFO" photos for comparison with the recent photos and >with other photos such as those on your site. See: >www.brumac.8k.com/GulfBreeze/F15UFO/F15UFOCASE.html >I have not been provided with copies of the new photos and >without the name of the witness there is no way to check up >on that sighting. Excellent work Dr. Mac & David (Dr.?) Rudiak. It's great to have analysis of this caliber to support the cause! It certainly looks like it could be the same or a similar object! Have you contacted Jeff Rense? I believe his addy is jr@rense.com Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:22:04 +1000 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:12:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs - Acres >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:11:50 +0200 >Subject: Re: The Mysteries Of The Martyrs <snip> >Hello John and David, >I don't want to intrude on anyone's religious faith beliefs but >one also has to look at what scholarship has revealed about the >origins of the bible and religions. Even a simple Google search >under origins of Christianity, origins of Judaism, origins of >Islam, will reveal to you what historians, arecheologists, etc. >have learned regarding the Bible and its King James version. Hi Josh! :) Yes I'm well aware of the doubts etc! But thanks for bringing them up! :-) I should have stated before, I was merely using the KJV for convenience as it's online & searchable by keywords & phrases at: http://godsview.com Upon finding an interesting reference, I then use a very expensive interlinear translation Bible that I bought. This gives a very literal translation of the Hebrew Masoretic text for the old testement & Greek for the new. This direct translation allows the reader to form a more personal & modern interpretation of what the scribe might have been trying to convey! >I strongly suggest that you acquaint yourself with the above >before looking for literal truth in the Bible and certainly >before considering being driven by blind faith and its >psychological needs. I have done so quite extensively, & I agree there are some inconsistancies which could have many explanations! I even accept that some words & sentences may have been added along the way to serve the agenda of the Priests & Rulers of the times. That's man for ya! :-) But the sort of paranormal clues I'm looking for are mainly in the old testement, which I consider to be much more reliable as the Levites guarded them so strictly from generation to generation! My research is inspired by sheer curiosity, not on blind faith or any psychological need of a personal religion. >Of course those needs often obscure believers from having any >sense of objectivity in the murky world of religious faith, just >as we have constantly seen in the UFO arena. Yes, I agree there's nothing more pathetic than those who won't even consider an alternative to their beliefs! I am a believer in God & Christ His son. Why? For the same reason I believed in UFO's for most of my life, even though I had never seen one until recently. Because I believe that most people are honest & only the minority are liars! People wouldn't have followed religions from the begining, unless there was something very impressive to inspire & motivate them. Have a look at: http://www.bibleufo.com Even if the bible were proven to be total mythology. I personally believe that the teachings of Christ are good and if we aspire to be like him, we become better human beings! :) >The answer is really simple. Just send all your money not >required for basic living and all your questions to me, Josh, >the new demi-God of my self-constructed demi-world. >Yes, Demi Moore is the new demi-Goddess. I could teach her to be >free of pain through my tantric ecstacy lessons. I offer these >lessons to all female Listerions for no charge so that you can >Discover the God and the Goddess Within You, through stimulating >"reserection" techniques. Learn to be the driver of your own >chakras that stimulate the proper brain locatilns. They are much >more powerful than endorphins. This can be practiced alone but >joint sessions with someone of the opposite sex are best. All >donations will be personally blessed. <g> Are you sure you're not really Jim Baker incognito? ;-) Those TV evangelists of the 80's were so amusing. I really miss them! :) The new-agers are filling the void somewhat though! :) Pssst! Wanna by some cheap crystals! ;) Thanks for the reply, Regards Dave PS Great site you have BTW! :)
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 29 Re: Mars Face Software Alignment - Jonach From: Kurt Jonach - The Electric Warrior <eWarrior@electricwarrior.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:49:44 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:15:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Mars Face Software Alignment - Jonach From: The Electric Warrior () -------------------------------------------------- The Electric Warrior : Mars Online September 29, 2002 http://www.electricwarrior.com/ -------------------------------------------------- > MARS FACE SOFTWARE ALIGNMENT martian enigmas image: Mars Face Orthophoto http://www.electricwarrior.com/mol/MarsFaceOrtho.jpg (The Electric Warrior) - Looking for Serious Mars Weirdness beyond the controversy over NASA's THEMIS data? Lan Fleming has produced a top down view on the Mars face using specially created software. One thing Science has "zero tolerance" for is bad data. Nobody wants to waste their time investigating dubious facts, and scientists from the Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR) are no exception. People like Mark Carlotto are politely dismissive of elaborate claims about a subterranean city on Mars recently put forth by The Enterprise Mission. SPSR's Lan Fleming, who is openly critical of NASA's position on Cydonia, has expressed doubts about the validity of TEM's "real" THEMIS data: "I don't see any reason to spend time or resources analyzing an image from an unknown source, for which the original data has not been made available, and that shows evidence of possible overprocessing in the form published," Fleming told The Electric Warrior. Fleming recently produced a digitally corrected view of the Mars Face the "hard way", using specially created Synthetic Orthophotograph software. Technically speaking, you might describe his process as a variation on image morphing that uses stereo- graphic input to adjust pixels. The Mars Face "orthophoto" created by Fleming adjusts an April 2001 photo taken by Mars Global Surveyor and provides a "synthetic" top down view of the controversial Martian landform. There are subtle, but important differences seen in the orthophoto. The most notable is an alignment of the "nose" and "hare-lip" features along the vertical centerline of the apparently bisymmetrical formation. Both sides of the Face are almost exactly the same width in Fleming's orthophoto. Just when you thought Mars anomaly research was about to Crash & Burn, somebody comes back with yet another interesting take on the Mars Face. Fleming even keeps the NASA bashing to a minimum, opting to close out his article with a technical explanation of how he did it. -------------------------------------------------- RELATED RESOURCES 26-Sep-02 Fleming: Synthetic Orthophotograph of the Mars Face Based on Stereographic Measurements http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/face/orthophoto/ortho.htm (VGL) - An orthophotograph has been created from the April, 2001 Mars Global Surveyor image of the Mars Face using software written specifically for this task... Those familiar with the partially rectified version of the image released by NASA last year may not notice much difference at first glance. But subtle and perhaps significant differences should be apparent in the comparison of the two versions... Perhaps the most notable difference is the greater degree of alignment of the "nose" ridge and "hare-lip" features along the vertical centerline of the image in the orthophoto. While the dichotomy between the left and right sides of the "face" persists, it is interesting that the "humanoid" and "feline" sides are almost exactly the same width. Fall 2002 Carlotto: New Frontiers in Science http://www.newfrontiersinscience.com/ArchiveIndex/v01n03/enterprise.shtml (NFS) - There is no evidence in this image that any of these features are thermally unique. THEMIS may eventually acquire an image showing the Face or some other feature to be thermally anomalous (perhaps at night or at a different time of day). But this image isn't it. cydonut> Mars Face Morphed http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewCydonut0005.htm If the SETI search for extraterrestrial radio signals is legitimate science, then why not the search for extraterrestrial artifacts? Perhaps we'll find some clue to their existence, some enigma for an intelligent, space-faring species like ours to discover, as depicted by the famous black monolith in Arthur C. Clarke's 2001? Some would argue that mankind has already found such an artifact: the Face on Mars. -------------------------------------------------- GET THE WALLPAPER http://www.electricwarrior.com/cydonut/ewMarsFaceMorphed.jpg Download a 600x600 version of Mars Face Morphed for your Desktop. -------------------------------------------------- THE ELECTRIC WARRIOR September 29, 2002 Silicon Valley, CA http://www.electricwarrior.com Graphics & Gonzo -------------------------------------------------- The Synthetic Orthophoto is copyright Lan Fleming Unless otherwise specified, images are created exclusively for the Electric Warrior Website. They can be downloaded and cached for individual use, but may not be reproduced or used in any other context without permission. The Electric Warrior is not responsible for the content of Web links. Content reproduced here is for informational purposes only. All copyrights Acknowledged. eWarrior@electricwarrior.com
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Bourdais From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:17:09 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:47:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Bourdais >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:04:51 -0700 >>From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Fwd Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:06 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net> >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:47 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>Hi David, everyone, >>I have no definitive opinion on the Roswell case, especially on >>the Mogul explanation, but in the book by Karl Pflock this >>theory seems pretty efficient in order to explain what had been >>found on the site (one question is: which site is it exactly?). <snip> >>2. By an astonishing chance, the remains of this flying saucer >>look precisely like the ones of the Mogul device, tested in the >>same area in the same period... > >No, again, you have thrown out all the contrary testimony of >debris that was nothing like from a Mogul device. Like Moore and >Pflock, you are begging the question. Quite unlike your >statement at the beginning, you very much seem to have a >definitive opinion as to what happened, as evidenced by your >refusal to even consider the contradictory evidence. Many thanks again to David Rudiak, and to Stan Friedman and Robert Gates, who cared to answer so well to the questions of Gregory Gutierez. For information, Gutierez has surfaced a few years ago in French ufology. He was a university student, and is a typical psycho- sociological proponent, like Pierre Lagrange and others. Not surprisingly, he quickly became a good friend of Lagrange. His contribution is a good illustration of that French "school", which is still present, especially in the media. Recently, I wrote an article in defense of the ETH, to which he replied in a long rebuttal, calling me a "believer" and a member of the "lunatic fringe", etc. About the Mogul hypothesis, I propose another, simple argument against it. When there was all the fuss about the Roswell crash, on the front page of newspapers including the NY Times (biggest title of the whole flying saucer wave on July 9), why was not there a mention of it and of a connection with the balloon train launchings in the records at White Sands ? Someting like : "The army found one of our balloon trains, mistook it for a flying disk, and gave it back to us !". BTW, all this does not exclude the possibility, however remote, of a sort of ufo-ballon train collision, it seems to me. Sorry to add again this little conflicting note. Gildas Bourdais
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:26:41 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:50:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:05:39 +0000 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:14:43 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Subject: Re: Symbols >>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:15:30 +0000 >>>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de> >>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:43:38 +0200 >>>>Subject: Symbols >>>>Now that experiencer described alien symbols are once again on >>>>the front burner I also have a question that is pertinent at >>>>this time. A short time ago in one of my offlist communications >>>>with Dick Hall (Hi Dick. you never miss a post) I asked him >>>>about any possible relationship they may have with archetypal >>>>symbols. Dick posted me a short while back that he was not >>>>familiar with archetypal symbols. I had been meaning to send him >>>>the link below. There is also lots of other internet material if >>>>you Google your way down to archetypal symbols. It relates to >>>>the discovery by Karl Jung. Most likely all of you are familiar >>>>with Jung's theories regardimg the symbolic shape of flying >>>>saucers. I'm setting aside any belief that he was or was not >>>>correct in that theory for a different purpose. >>>>I'm not asking for the highly "classified" descriptions of the >>>>symbols but I would like to know what efforts there may have >>>>been amongst "those in the know - need to know" at comparing the >>>>reports of experiences with what have been archetypal symbols as >>>>reported by Jung. I have been wondering about that comparison >>>>for a long time. It is one of the areas I was hoping Stuart >>>>Appelle would include in his report. I've been meaning to ask >>>>John Velez if Budd Hopkins has covered that area. Now is the >>>>time. What does anyone know? >>>If someone would simply post samples of the so-called archetypal >>>symbols, I could very quickly tell you whether or not they >>>resemble the abductee drawings that I have seen. I started >>>looking through the links in vain for examples, and don't have >>>time to do extensive searching. >>It is my understanding that some of the 'symbols' that Jung was >>labeling "archetypal" are ones that we are all familiar with, >>like Celtic and Christian crosses. I think you'd have to root >>around in Jung's books and articles for other pictorial >>examples. >>I tried, I couldn't locate any on the Web either. Maybe one of >>the List members can help us out with a URL or two that we can >>all check out. >John, Hi Dick, You wrote: >I also noted that one of the links was to Tarot cards. Good >heavens, the symbolism there is very far removed from abductee >drawings. I 'think' we've been on this merry-go-round once before on the List, Dick. Although 'Tarot cards' is a new one on me. Budd or any of the other abductees (myself included) would have caught it right away if _any_ of the '*drawings' were suggestive of something known or ordinary. The 'drawings' do not resemble anything else that _I_ have ever seen. (*I agree with you, using the word 'symbols' to describe them is too loaded with other possible meanings/interpretations. I'll try to remember not to use it in future. Good call! ) Also, it is important to remember that Budd is not only an amazing artist in his own right, (his work is in the permanent collections of the Whitney and Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art) but that he has an encyclopedic knowledge of art and art history. I know first hand. I've been to art museums with him in a couple of cities. It's one of Budd's 'hobbies' to visit art museums in any city/country he is visiting. Those excursions with him were (for me) the most richly detailed and educational tours I have ever taken. He's like a kid, darting about and chattering away, when he's in an art museum. Sorry, I digress. Budd would know immediately if we were reproducing anything that had been done before. Period. It is their 'uniqueness' that makes him think they are 'important' bits of possible evidence. Re: Tarot cards Although 'Tarot cards' is a lazy try, the equivalent of buying someone underwear for their birthday, one explanation that I considered worthy of further investigation was, the one 'someone' was proposing that; the drawings 'could be' the result of random forms and shapes that just about 'anybody' might produce if asked to draw their concept of what 'alien writing' would/might look like. Unless we ask a thousand randomly selected individuals to submit samples of what they imagine an 'alien alphabet' would look like, we'll never really know if there is any validity to such a theory. My response to the explanation that what we drew was random forms and shapes from our own subconscious is; the drawings are all too 'dead-on' in terms of similarity. Which is where the real mystery lies! It raises the question, why haven't we ever seen examples of this kind of 'automatic drawing' in the past? Don't you think that we would have known of this phenomena long before now? That people will produce similar shapes and forms when asked to imagine an alien or foreign alphabet is too simplistic and I think opportunistic an explanation. About the only thing I can say in its favor is, more thought went into it than the 'Tarot card' theory. :) >If the archetypal images have to do with such obvious things as >crosses (Christian or otherwise), that is also way off the mark. Yup. And as I mentioned earlier, Budd would have spotted it from a mile away. >I am very skeptical of studies claiming to capture "alien" >symbolism. Having even participated in a few public sessions >with Budd asking for examples. Most of what you get is [strictly >limited] human imagination resulting in fairly obvious guessing >attempts that result in geometrical forms, dots, and dashes. >Wrong! There it is then. Back to square one. We are still left with the question of; did 'we' the abductees, acquire these symbols in the same way, or from the same source. The only way we have a chance of finding out is; if some language and writing experts have an opportunity to study and analyze them carefully. I'll bet you the farm right now that it never gets done. My own 'theory' is; people don't _really_ want to know the answers to questions such as these. My best to you, John
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:10:13 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:52:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:39:18 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >>After Budd brought me out of the trance-state, he asked me if I >>could reproduce (draw) the symbol and the characters I had been >>shown. "No problem, I'm an artist," I told him. He handed me a >>pencil and a large yellow legal pad and I gave him what he asked >>for. >>I have only seen the blood run out of a man's face twice in my >>life. It is an eerie thing to witness. One of those times was >>the moment Budd took a look at what I had drawn. You can't fake >>a reaction like that. It made the hairs on neck and arms stand >>on end. He mumbled something rapid-fire at me that sounded like; >>'Don't move. Stay right here... I'll be right back." And off he >>went. >>He was gone about five minutes. When he returned he was winded >>and clutching a purple, plastic file folder to his chest. He sat >>down next to me, handed me the yellow piece of paper I had just >>drawn the symbols on, and he placed the purple folder in front >>of me. He didn't say a word. >>I opened the folder and I saw that it contained several (about >>six) different sized pieces of paper with 'writing' on them. On >>closer inspection I saw that they resembled the same type of >>symbols that I had just reproduced. Then the real shockeroo >>came, on the top page in front of me I spotted one of the >>symbols I had just drawn. Not simply similar or close in >>appearance, but a dead-on match. The _same_ character that >>appeared on my yellow paper. >>Then I spotted another dead-match on the second page. As I >>flipped through the pages tears started to run down my face and >>all I could think to ask Budd was, "What the hell is this? Where >>did you get it?" His response was of no comfort to me and only >>served to deepen a malaise that had taken hold of my gut. I felt >>physically sick, like I wanted to throw up. I also felt terribly >>confused. >>How could these people, people I had never met or even heard of, >>reproduce the same characters that I had just drawn. All of the >>papers in the folder were dated and signed. Some had been >>written years ago. This was no mere coincidence. >John told me this story some years ago. But of course I wasn't >going to pass it on, not with his name attached. I'm glad he's >telling it, though. >And I heard a similar story from another abductee. She, if I >remember correctly, didn't remember seeing the symbols in a UFO. >She'd been doodling them since she was a child, without knowing >what they were. After she started looking into what she felt >were abduction experiences, she wondered if the symbols might be >connected. She drew them for Budd -- and had an experience much >like the one John describes. I've seen her drawings of the >symbols, and I've seen John's. They're very nearly identical. In >fact, I've seen 14 items from Budd's collection of symbols drawn >by, last I heard, 35 different people. Maybe what I just wrote >isn't clear -- I mean I've seen 14 of the original drawings >abductees have given to Budd. I got chills when I saw them. >They're startlingly similar. Not just somewhat similar. >Shockingly similar. I think this is the best single piece of >abduction evidence I've ever seen or heard of. If John and the >other abductee I talked to are telling the truth, and if Budd is >telling the truth about how he got the other samples -- then why >are so many people independently drawing the same thing? Hola Greg, Que cojones hombre! Pelotas de piedra!. You have my deepest respect. That was a bold question and even bolder of you to 'put it on the line' like that. Thank you. Support is usually scarce when I take an occasional crawl out onto one of these tenuous limbs. :) Having yourself and Dick Hall make contributions adds weight to my testimony. It also adds a lot of weight to the limb we're all clinging to. If we fall, we're going to make an awful loud splat sound when we hit the ground. :) I think we're 'safe' though. We're presenting one of the certified 'genuine mysteries' that has cropped up in abduction research. One which to date, has not been properly addressed. The samples submitted by Budd and David are valuable pieces of the puzzle that should not be allowed to languish on a shelf collecting dust. I'm hoping that the final outcome of these discussions is that those samples manage to get into the hands of someone who can get them to the 'best' experts and have them properly studied and analysed. >About Stuart Appelle. I don't think he's likely to get involved >in this research, for the simple reason that it's not his field. >He's a psychologist (I don't know what his specialty in >psychology might be, but I see from his university's website >that he's now an associate dean). I'm not sure what speciality >you'd need to analyze purported alien writing, but I can imagine >that linguists and cryptographers might be helpful. Then (rightfully) linguists and cryptographers should have them! I wouldn't know where to begin Greg. Where does one find 'linguists and cryptographers'? The process after that is 'simple.' (ha,ha.) Budd and David have to consent to the transfer of their material, authorize Stuart to transfer it, then Stuart has to make sure the physical documents get transferred. Piece of cake eh? <LMAO> >In any case, Stuart never said he'd study the material himself. >In his capacity as the editor of the Journal of UFO Studies, he >said he'd try to find qualified people to make the study, and >would publish their findings. I don't think he can help us >himself. I need help here Greg. If this thing isn't actively (and I think publicly) pursued, it will _never_ get done. I can't do it alone. (Maybe) if you would be willing to act as an intermediary/ contact with Budd and David, make the proposal, and (hopefully) secure their permission, I'll talk to Dick Hall and he and I can concentrate on contacting a few universities to see if we can track down volunteer 'linguists and cryptographers.' Dick, are you listening? We have to _try_. At least! I won't blame you if you're not interested. I know that the level of frustration you have encountered about getting anything of practical value accomplished in ufology is as great or greater than my own. Let me know what you think. Regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:50:49 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:54:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference - Hatch >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:24:06 -0400 >Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:29:03 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:02:32 -0700 >>>Subject: Cincinnati Enquirer on UFO Conference >>>UFO conference >>>Truth is out there, in Mason >>Yeah, yeah. >>The Truth is out there. >>Will somebody kindly inform me of the origin of this often used, >>but highly unhelpful phrase? >My, my. You must be an 'X-file-a-phobe'. So far as I know the >phrase first appeared in the first X-Files show that was 8 or >9-years ago (don't recall which year it started). Anyway, >creater was Chris Carter... so I suppose he is the 'f'-head you >refer to. Hello Bruce: That explains it, I'm probably the only one who nearly missed the entire series, and thus the phrase. The only episode I saw involved a railroad car buried on an Indian Reservation, containing dead humanoids. Best - Larry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Hatch From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:03:20 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:55:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Hatch >From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto (<ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:54:15 +0200 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:58:54 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>>- What was the exact surface of the remains found? >>My understanding was that it had a rough grey matte surface, >with a decent tooth, which would admit some use of charcoals, >but which argues against oils. >Please excuse my English, sometimes I lack the right words. >With my question "What was the exact surface of the remains?" I >wanted to ask: what were the length and width of the territory >covered by the debris? The size of it is an important point in >order to find what exactly crashed that day near Roswell. >Thanks a lot for your kind answer, Hello Gregory: Ahh! The surface area! I understand it was quite large, spread all over the place. It could have been something like an acre, but Stanton Friedman probably has the best answer for that. Sorry for the misunderstanding. - Larry
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 More E-mail Addresses? From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagolt@opengate.com.br> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:12:57 -0300 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:56 -0400 Subject: More E-mail Addresses? Dear friends, I would like to know if you have Mr. Willian Hamilton's and Roberto Pinoti's e-mail. Thanks Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Vice-Presidente da Entidade Brasileira de Estudos Extraterrestres(Bras=EDlia/Brasil) (EBE-ET VICE PRESIDENT) http://www.ebe-et.com.br
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Summary Of The Cincinnati UFO Conference From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:32:21 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:04:40 -0400 Subject: Summary Of The Cincinnati UFO Conference I think the 39th Annual NATIONAL UFO CONFERENCE in Cincinnati went over very well. I can make a few observations, being the conference coordinator, concerning my perception of the event and its outcome as per our expectancy going in, and that will obviously be different than one who was simply attending the conference. --- From my perception of conference organizer, I think we had absolute tons of publicity for the conference for months, weeks, days and hours leading up to the event, but although our turnout did not reach the targeted '300 people' we were optimistically hoping for, we had a fair turnout of about 150 people. At least it was a 'break even' event but considering the time, effort and anticipation involved in its organization, it would have been nice to come out ahead a little more. There were a few no-shows who said they would be there. I attribute the less than robust turnout to a tough ideological climate in the conservative Cincinnati tri-state, compounded by a general complacency and lack of interest and curiosity in the UFO subject. On the other hand, the conference itself was fun. Don Weatherby and Wendy Ban really saved the day in many ways, and their efforts are really appreciated. There was a large contingent of news media reporters and camera crew roaming about throughout the day as John Timmerman gave a well-received presentation and photographic slide-show (I hope he plans to do many more) and Rick Hilberg also delivered a good historical presentation of "UFO's, The First 30 Years." Terry Endres had an informative Power Point presentation concerning astronomical sciences and the ET hypothesis, but the real big hit of the afternoon session was Jerry Black, who eventually won the ideologically resistant crowd over with his powerhouse 'Credibility In UFOlogy' lecture, in which he exposed the fraudulence of MUFON's handling of the Gulf Breeze disaster and addressed the many serious issues concerning the current bag of national UFO investigators. He really caused a fuss. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it, but the cantankerous Jerry Black drew a non-stop crowd at his table all day long and for the rest of the night. The evening session began with author and Saucer Smear editor Jim Moseley, a gritty old timer with a 'tude and also a real fun character to be around. There were many good comments about his lecture. Texas researcher Derrel Sims continued with an interesting presentation called "Advanced Alien Technology," the content of which was said to have caused some conference-goers frightful discomfort, and the real highlight of the conference was the funny, articulate and very intelligent Stephen Bassett who closed out the evening with a firmly held crowd listening attentively to his informative lecture called "The Politics of Disclosure." Several people that I talked with said it was one of the best speeches they have ever heard. I did catch a little of it and can tell you first-hand that Stephen Bassett is an absolutely tremendous speaker, and I would very much want to hear him again. It was Donnie Blessing who worked extremely hard for the conference, putting in many hours of effort and organizational planning. She also thankfully undertook a good brunt of the media activity which will even be continuing into this week, from my understanding. Many thanks to Donnie and her husband Bobby, plus a special thanks to Chris Coffey, Danny Russell, Bruce M. Forrester Jr., Lance Moody, Earle Benezet, Jeff Sindiong Video Productions, Bob Leibold and Natural Light Productions, Carol Bieber, Gerald Jones and Dr. Gregory Tyree, Ph.D. and all the others for their hard volunteer work in putting this together. And I thank everyone for coming to the conference and hope they had a good time, learned something and took home a memorable experience. I certainly did. Kenny Young
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Lt. Col. Payne Jennings? From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:23:30 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:05:51 -0400 Subject: Lt. Col. Payne Jennings? Hi Errol & Listizens. I have been going over the Roswell affair at David Rudiak's excellent site and was wondering if Jennings left a family behind. If so, has anyone ever attempted to contact them and what were the results? Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:28:32 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:12:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video - >From: Tom King <tomking2030@hotmail.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:43:21 +0000 >Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video >>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:31:21 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: Mexico City Aug. 6, 1997 Stabilized Video <snip> (Note: if you want to skip the discussion and jump right to the good stuff, see the note at the bottom of end of this message. Then if you are still interested, read the discussion below.) >>>>I know Jeff Sanio dismissed the entire event because of a couple >>>>of out-of-focus stills with the saucer and the building. I saw >>>>those stills when I hand stabilized the video. I noticed the >>>>background was also out of focus along with the saucer and it >>>>didn't seem out of place. However I dismissed Jeff's analysis as >>>>being mistaken since he didn't explain the eyewitnesses. >>>>Take a look yourself and make your own conclusions. >>>Sainio also made a stabilized video, back in 1998. <snip> >Where is his stabilized video? Did you see it? Any chance MUFON >would release it on the web? You would have to contact him directly for a copy. >>>It wasn't a problem with focus that Sainio discovered, it was a >>>problem of "differential image smear". Specifically, the UFO >>>image was never or almost never smeared by random camera motion >>>while the building edges were almost always smeared, at least a >>>small amount. >>>Sainio looked at the differential smear throughout the whole >>>video and found that, on the average, the building images were >>>smeared more than the UFO image. There are a couple of frames >>>near the beginning where the differential smear is obvious: the >>>edge of the building and the small wind sock on top of the >>>building (yes, windsocks on the buildings) are very blurred but >>>the UFO image is not. This occurs as the UFO moves toward the >>>right, approaching the left edge of the first building.> >>>The image of the edge of the building suddenly moves >>>from one frame to the next, blurring the image of the top edge >>>of the building and the image of the wind sock , while the image >>>of the UFO (the edges of the image) remain unblurred. >>>If the UFO were a real object "out there" beyond the building, >>>this differential blur could occur only if the UFO suddenly >>>moved with the random motion of the camera in such a way as to >>>remain at the same location in the field of view of the camera >>>even though the building image changed its position. That is, >>>the UFO would have to track the motion of the camera. And this >>>is in the time of one frame, 1/30 sec. Actually, in less than >>>the time of one frame the UFO would have had to "jump" downwards >>>many feet (I don't recall the exact number) and then back up >>>again in the next frame because there is no differential image >>>smear in the frame following.> >>>As I recall there wre two frames which show this very obvious >>>differential smear. But Sainio studied all the frames and found >>>that the building image smear was almost always greater than the >>>UFO image smear. <snip> >>What exactly is this so-called "differential smear"? Is there an >>equation for this smear or is it something Jeff just made up for >>this case? Can "differential smear" be applied to conventional >>videos, for testing. Is "differential smear" science or merely >>one's opinion? In this particular case (can be generalized to other cases) a real object "out there" has its horizontal edge smeared by vertical motion of the camera. Without motion the "edge width" was a value that depends upon the quality of focus. One can quantify the amount of "smear " or "blur" of the edge in terms of the "edge gradient" as follows. First measure the brightness level of the building image at a position close, _but not within_, to the visual edge. Next measure the brightness of the sky image close to _but not within_, the visual edge. A line drawn between these two measurement points should be perpendiculat to the visual edge. Now measure the length of this line between these two brightness measurements. Finally, divide the brightness difference, sky brightness minus building brightness, by the distance between the measurements. This ratio, brightness difference divided by distance, is a measure of the "edge gradient" with units "relative brightness per unit length". When the image is sharply focused the spacing distance between the measurement locations is as small as possible (but not zero; no image has perfectly sharp edges because of aberrations in the optics and, ultimately, diffraction of the light). Defocus increases the distance between points where the brightness values should be made. In other words, defocus makes the edge wider, and hence the edge gradient becomes a smaller value because you are dividing a fixed brightness difference by a larger spacing between measurements (the brightness levels are assume to remain the same, only the "width of the egde" increases). Motion smear also decreases the edge gradient by increasing the width of the edge or the distance between measurement positions. One major difference between motion smear and defocus is that motion smear is non-symmetric, i.e., the amount of smear on a particular image edge depends upon the direction of motion, whereas focus smear (assuming low astigmatism for good optics) is symmetric: all edges are blurred by the same amount. Thus, with focus blur, the edge gradient for a dark object against the sky woudl be the same for all edges, whereas for motion smear the edge gradient would be lower for edges which are perpendicular to the direction of image motion. In the case of this video one can easily see the motion from frame to frame. In a few cases the image shift distance is quite large, causing a considerable non-symmetric variation in edge gradient, for example the horizontal edge gradient vs the vertical edge gradient for the building edges. Based on the above definition of edge gradient, Sainio's results could be characterized as follows. He had a special computer program calculate gradients for vertical and horizontal edges for each frame and keeping track of the motion from frame to frame of the building and UFO images. He found that the average edge gradients for the building images were less than the gradients for the UFO image. In other words the UFO motion smear was less than the building smear. This is the "differential smear" I referred to. This is visually obvious in a couple of frames presented on my web site" http://brumac.8k.com/ >>>The differential smear (and also the image jump referred to by >>>King) introduced an artifact that could not be explained unless >>>one assumed that the UFO tracked the random hand vibration of >>>the camera and moved in a rapid, jerky motion just enough to >>>have its image remain unsmeared throughout the video. >>>This seemed highly unlikely for the apparently smoothly moving >>>(and rotating) object and so Sainio and I have considered this >>>differential smear to be the 'fingerprints of a hoax'. >>>Of course, we cannot explain the witness reports. We just wonder >>>if there is really any connection. >In that last sentence you imply the Mexican eyewitnesses are >liars. So, the little girl who told her dad about this sighting >is lying? Her dad and the resturant operator too? It is important to realize that the conclusion of "fingerprints of a hoax" is based on the analysis of the video. Anyone who wants to connect the video with the visual sighting must figure out how to explain the "fingerprints." Note, by the way, for those who have forgotten, the video was shown on TV over a month after the event and that led to some people contacting Jaime Maussan. Also, so far as I know. the videographer is not known. >The alleged "differential smear" could be caused by several >different factors: >1. What generation video was Sanio using? 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th? SO far as I know it was a direct copy from Maussan's master copy (made from the original) >2. Capture methods can cause artifacts depending on how the > video was digitized. Yes, but in the most obvious examples of the differential smear one needs only to look frame by frame at the video copy.... no digitisation needed. >3. Was the video de-interlaced or used interlaced. Don't know. Doesn't matter in this case. >4. The "differential smear" could be nothing more than the old > rivarly of MUFON vs Elders? It turns out that we were working "with" the Elders at the time since they were providing us with information on witnesses, locations , distances, building sizes, etc. The discovery of the "fingerprints" was a distinct bummer after all the time we had put into this. >I respect Jeff's and your work but I don't hold his opinion as >gospel. The hoax theory, based upon the alleged "differential >smear", is merely Jeff's opinion. Mine, too. Only a very "special" situation can explain the differential smear while preserving the "real UFO out there" hypothesis., namely that the UFO "panned itself" with the camera motion. >When one considers the past >bad-blood between Walt Andrus and Lee Elder over rights of the >Billy Meier case and the 1991-95 daytime videos embarassments. >MUFON's credibility is called into question in light of the fact >that MUFON has systematically debunked everything Elder >investigated. Then you have to take into account the lack of >information on MUFON websites - information that they don't >publish. Sainio's analysis was published in the MUFON Journal in October of 1998 (I had published a rather favorable article in early 1998 before the fingerprints were discovered.) >The public has not recieved a definative answer to this case >from any organization. I have a slightly better understanding of >analyzing video than most of the public and I don't quite get >this "differential smear". So I bet most of the people who read >this explaination didn't understand it either. >I don't feel the hoax explanation offered on this case is >satisfactory, since it calls all the eyewitnesses liars. None of >us even went to Mexico City to investigate first hand, so what >do we know anyway? The Elders were there. I have no doubt that they did a reasonable investigation; So did Hesemann. .................................. NOTE: Analysis of two frames in which the differential smear is large is presented at: http://brumac.8k.com scroll down a little to the title Mexity City Video. There you can seen the motion smeared frames (building images smeared, UFO image _not_ smeared) as compared to unsmeared frames (building images and UFO images not smeared). Seeing is believing?
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Randle From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:31:28 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:39:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Randle >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:38:40 -0300 >>From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:43:20 +0200 >>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com> >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:15:42 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data Stan, List, All - >>My understanding of the case, for example, I cannot trust the >>assertions of one Franck Kaufman, neither can I trust the work >>of Donald Schmidt, who lied on some important points about his >>background while writing a book with Randle. >One doesn't need the late Frank Kaufman's testimony at all as I >noted in my MUFON 2000 paper "Roswell and the MJ-12 Documents in >the New Millennium". Yes, Don lied about his educational and job >status... but not to me. What an incredible statement, Stan. Are you suggesting that if he didn't lie to you that his lies are somehow less egregious? Are you suggesting that they don't count? Are you forgetting that I sat in a room with you and Schmitt as he spun some of these lies, so that he has, in fact, told them to you? Or are you forgetting that he has called you a liar? He told me that you could not have called him at the Hartford PO and asked to speak to him because he didn't work there and had not spoken to you on the phone. He told me that you, he and General DuBose went to dinner in Florida where the DuBose family insisted on addressing you as doctor and you allowed it to go on. (I know this isn't true because I saw you correct Larry King on national TV when we were both part of that TNT special a number of years ago.) In fact, he went further, telling me flat out that he had caught you in a number of lies. He told me that you weren't to be trusted because of this. This is not unlike his telling people that I'm a government agent who was planted on him to report on his research. He told several people not to talk to me because I was a government agent... where have I head that allegation before? Gerald Anderson comes to mind. So, why would you defend him and his lies? He continues to tell them. I know. I told Tom Carey what he had said about me, and Carey reported back that Schmitt denied having ever said anything like it, yet I have two letters from friends of Schmitt telling me that he had made such claims. So the lies continue... I just don't get this, or do you have some kind of an agenda to protect him? Has he now signed on board the MJ-12 bandwagon? KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Randle From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:12:23 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:45:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Randle >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:23:12 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols Good Morning, Jim, List - >Corder later >proved himself to be a fraud, and in fact even lost his medical >license. Why should that disqualify him from UFO research? How many people have been exposed as liars, frauds, charlatans only to reappear and be accepted? The list is long and really rather disgusting. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Randle From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:12:23 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:45:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Randle >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:23:12 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols Good Morning, Jim, List - >Corder later >proved himself to be a fraud, and in fact even lost his medical >license. Why should that disqualify him from UFO research? How many people have been exposed as liars, frauds, charlatans only to reappear and be accepted? The list is long and really rather disgusting. KRandle
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Secrecy News -- 09/30/02 From: Steven Aftergood <saftergood@fas.org> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:49 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:44:35 -0400 Subject: Secrecy News -- 09/30/02 SECRECY NEWS from the FAS Project on Government Secrecy Volume 2002, Issue No. 96 September 30, 2002 ** AGRICULTURE DEPT GETS CLASSIFICATION AUTHORITY ** MOUSSAOUI SECRECY FOLLIES ** PENTAGON PURSUES SPACE CONTROL ** ODDS AND ENDS AGRICULTURE DEPT GETS CLASSIFICATION AUTHORITY In the latest expansion of the national security classification system, President Bush last week authorized the Secretary of Agriculture to classify information up to the Secret level. The Presidential order, published today in the Federal Register, follows similar actions over the past year granting new classification authority to the Secretary of Health and Human Services (December 10, 2001) and to the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (May 9, 2002). http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/ag.html No rationale for giving the new authority to the Agriculture Department was announced. But national security issues affecting agriculture have gained new prominence in connection with the potential for agricultural bioterrorism. A recent report of the National Academy of Sciences on "Countering Agricultural Bioterrorism," which was requested by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), "was submitted to USDA and the Office of Homeland Security for a classification review" prior to publication. However, USDA could not have classified information in the report since it did not yet have authority to do so. In the end, the National Academy voluntarily deleted certain information from the published version of the report. See: http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309085454?OpenDocument MOUSSAOUI SECRECY FOLLIES The national security classification system exists, it is fair to say, in order to keep sensitive information away from declared enemies of the United States such as accused terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui. So it is more than ironic that in the course of Moussaoui's pending trial for conspiracy to commit terrorism, in which he is representing himself, he was inadvertently provided access to numerous classified documents. Compounding its error in providing the documents, the government subsequently "disclosed the classified nature of the materials erroneously produced" in a separate document sent to Moussaoui. Once the documents were recovered earlier this month, the Court granted a motion from standby counsel for the defendant to unseal the frantic correspondence from government attorney concerning the inadvertent disclosures. See the September 26 court order: http://notablecases.vaed.uscourts.gov/1:01-cr-00455/docs/67613/0.pdf and the unsealed correspondence here: http://notablecases.vaed.uscourts.gov/1:01-cr-00455/docs/67613/2.pdf PENTAGON PURSUES SPACE CONTROL The Department of Defense "is drafting a space control strategy ... for the next 20 years," a General Accounting Office report noted last week. "Space control" refers to the ability to protect and defend space-based military and commercial systems, which are considered increasingly "attractive targets for adversarial attacks." The new GAO report provides a snapshot of current programs and anticipated obstacles. See the September 2002 report entitled "Military Space Operations: Planning, Funding, and Acquisition Challenges Facing Efforts to Strengthen Space Control": http://www.fas.org/spp/military/gao/gao02738.pdf ODDS AND ENDS Sen. Arlen Specter summarized the recent disclosures of intelligence warnings received prior to last year's terrorist attacks and asserte that cumulatively they "could have prevented September 11." See "A Virtual Blueprint" appended to his September 26 floor statement: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092602.html "Federal agencies are falling further behind in meeting the public's requests for information about what's happening in the government, according to a new General Accounting Office report." See"Agencies Fall Behind On Information Requests" by Christopher Lee in the Washington Post, September 28: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13499-2002Sep27.html "What principles should guide the communication of scientific and technical information in an age of terrorism?" asks former defense official Mitchel B. Wallerstein in an editorial in the latest issue of Science. He proposes four such principles, affirming the value of open access to scientific knowledge generally but including restrictions narrowly focused on areas with application to weapons of mass destruction. See "Science in an Age of Terrorism" in Science, September 27, 2002 (free registration required): http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/297/5590/2169 _______________________________________________ Secrecy News is written by Steven Aftergood and published by the Federation of American Scientists. 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UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Sandow From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:01:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:47:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Sandow >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:10:13 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >I need help here Greg. If this thing isn't actively (and I think >publicly) pursued, it will _never_ get done. I can't do it >alone. >(Maybe) if you would be willing to act as an intermediary/ >contact with Budd and David, make the proposal, and (hopefully) >secure their permission, I'll talk to Dick Hall and he and I can >concentrate on contacting a few universities to see if we can >track down volunteer 'linguists and cryptographers.' At least Budd already has the material in the form he prepared it in for Stuart. Whether he'd release it to people he didn't know -- even qualified scholars -- is another story. It's yet another complication in this frustrating business. Budd has been burned very often by skeptics who not just disagree with him, but scorn him. And, in his view, misinterpret what he says. Remember NOVA! He's gotten cautious about who he'll trust with his material. Does Dave have these writing samples, too. (Or whatever they are.) Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez From: Gregory Gutierez <greguti@free.fr> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:10:17 +0200 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:51:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data - Gutierez >From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais@wanadoo.fr> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:17:09 +0200 >Subject: Re: Falsified and Fabricated Data Hi all, hi Gildas, >For information, Gutierez has surfaced a few years ago in >French ufology. He was a university student, and is a typical >psycho- sociological proponent, like Pierre Lagrange and >others. Not surprisingly, he quickly became a good friend of >Lagrange. His contribution is a good illustration of that French >"school", which is still present, especially in the media. >Recently, I wrote an article in defense of the ETH, to which he >replied in a long rebuttal, calling me a "believer" and a member >of the "lunatic fringe", etc. Well... thanks Gildas for this very oriented presentation of myself :-) I am very happy to learn that I am a "typical psycho- sociological proponent". This is brand new information for me! I'll soon include it in my CV. By the way, what is exactly a psycho-sociological proponent? I read this term in articles by Jacques Monnerie and other French ufologists who turned sceptical in the late 70s and tried to explain every Ufo sighting by misinterpretation of natural phenomena and other mistakes. I guess the only relevant point here is that this school emerged from the French UFO community, not from the French sceptical community. Pierre Lagrange did write some critical articles about this kind of ufology (which was granted as "New Ufology" at the time, in standard UFO journals like Inforespace). But in my opinion (well, you just have to read his work to understand), Lagrange never claimed to be part of this "psycho-sociological" school. But never mind, this topic has nothing to do with my first questions about Roswell. Regards, Gregory Gutierez Paris, France
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Acres From: David Acres <dacres@austarnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:59:27 +1000 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Acres >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:46:13 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols <snip> >Let me preface by saying that I am now and have always been a >sort of benign skeptic on the UFO subject, as I am with all >paranormal and supernatural phenomena. So far, UFOs and maybe >cattle mutilations have my fullest attention, the rest, from >astrology to (crypto)zoology, seems to be a lot of hooey. OK, >MAYBE Bigfoot. Hi Jim! :) I'm a bit like that! But that Canadian show 'PSI Factor' makes me wonder sometimes! It's supposed to be based on the actual case files of the OSIR. How much is fiction? Hard to say as they (OSIR), don't have a website & can't be contacted. They are a group of Scientists & Medicos, who operate soley on referals from other Scientists, Institutions etc. If you consider that regardless of the amount of fiction applied, the actual case file could only be initiated by very bizzare occurrences, there must be some freaky shit out there! <snip> >She claimed that one of the entities, I think it was the "leader," >brought his face within inches of hers and began to stare into >her eyes. She said they were literally nose-to-...er, slits. She >was frightened, but could not bring herself to look away. This <snip> I read a similar occurrence by an abductee who claimed the "leader" was leaning over him & grabbing his face, thus forcing him to stare into his deep, dark eyes which hypnotized him! I had typed more here, but erased it! Look it up, if you will, but be warned, it's a bit scary! That abductee is a Geologist, a Dr. Bruce Cornet. His wife & their employees saw a beam of light & figures moving in it, directed at the trailer he was sleeping in. When his wife & their foreman checked the trailer, he was not in it, he was evidently in the saucer that hovered in the air nearby! I found his testimony to be very convincing! He seems to be honest to me! He became a zealous UFO Researcher, but has since retired from that role, though I still see his name pop up here & there! I haven't read any dirt on him. I got the impression he regretted getting into the Mars face analysis. Another issue, which awaits closer inspection. IMHO :) Regards, Dave
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Velez From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:37:20 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Velez >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:46:13 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:19:38 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols <snip> >>Then I spotted another dead-match on the second page. As I >>flipped through the pages tears started to run down my face and >>all I could think to ask Budd was, "What the hell is this? Where >>did you get it?" His response was of no comfort to me and only >>served to deepen a malaise that had taken hold of my gut. I felt >>physically sick, like I wanted to throw up. I also felt terribly >>confused. Hi Jim, You inquired: >I take it this was the point at which you realized you weren't >in Kansas anymore...in other words, it was "really" happening, >not just a fig newton of your imagination... Oh man, there was a _bunch_ of these confirming bits and pieces all along the way. When I first started working with Budd I was convinced that the sooner I began looking into this abduction business, the sooner it would all begin to unravel and fall apart. I thought _all_ the abductees were suffering from some kind of undiagnosed psychological disorder, that Budd was exploiting it/them, and that now, I must be losing my mind as well. I half expected (was hoping) to to find out that Budd was a complete fraud and that anyone who thought they were being abducted was simply nuts and needed help. (Myself included.) But that's not what happened though. Much to my shock and dismay, I began getting annoying signs, and confirmations that something real, physical, and tangible was happening. Every time I met an abductee I failed to find a 'nut' lurking under the surface. They were (for the most-part) perfectly ordinary, family oriented, hard working people like myself. Not cukoos. The scary confirmations started happening from day one. I knew absolutely nothing about ufology, abductions, cattle mutilations, crop circles, none of it. I hadn't read any books on the subject, and I never had attended a UFO lecture or a conference, I was as 'pristine' (uncontaminated) as one can be in terms of knowing anything about the subject. With the obvious exception of my own life-long, multiple UFO sightings and experiences. I had conveniently buried and ignored it all because I didn't know what to do with it. If I had talked to any one about any of that stuff, I _knew_ that whoever I confided in would have thought I was completely crackers. So I kept my mouth shut and each time those memories or thoughts would surface I would simply put my mind on something else. Until I read "Missing Time." Some of the disturbing confirmations I am speaking of consist of the following: Three out of the four of us that comprise my own immediate family, (my wife, myself, my daughter and my son) have a 'scoop mark' on our bodies. Budd had many pictures of those identical marks on the bodies of the abductees. My wife awoke one morning with a deep groove around her right upper thigh that was so freakish I rushed her to our family physician immediately. The 'mark' looked as if someone had taken one of those thin metal straps (that they use to tie big boxes) and used it on my wife's leg. The 'groove' was about a 1/2 inch deep! All around the thigh. It looked like it should have hurt like hell but she didn't feel any pain whatsoever. It took 18 months for it to heal. Even today, years after, an impression is still visible. My doctor had never seen anything like it. Budd had photos of 'other' women with the _identical_ mark, in the same place, (upper right thigh) who claimed the marks were received during an abduction event. In fact, the first time he showed me the pictures I asked him how he had gotten pictures of my wife's leg! I had to look closely before I realized that it wasn't Margie's leg. The 'drawings' that I reproduced. Budd had a folder full. Then there's all the 'regular' symptoms; a life-time of close-up encounters with, and sightings of UFOs; missing time; fully conscious and clear recollections of bits and pieces of the abductions themselves over the years, on and on and on like that. Instead of it all "falling apart" as I expected at first, I began to get confirmation after confirmation that what was happening to myself and my family members was _firmly_ based in physical reality. That all of this impossible insanity was no hallucination or misinterpretation on my part. It didn't take long before the reality of my situation sank in and completely shattered mr and my world view. I went through the _exact_ same process that people go through when someone very close to them dies. Only the death that I was 'mourning' was my own. I sorely missed the ignorant but happy 'self' I used to be before I found out the truth. This has been a life-altering and deeply disturbing/disruptive piece of knowledge for me to have to integrate into my psyche/being/daily life. It's hasn't been easy at any time, or on any level to have to deal with something like this. Many of the people who goof on abductees, people who are reporting abduction, would soil their Depends safety napkins if anything similar ever happened to them. It _literally_ changes/expands the whole Universe from inside out. Early on I decided that I was going to dedicate my life to raising public awareness about this most urgent and disturbing phenomenon. I committed to do what I could to help Budd (and other researchers) in his/their work and to make myself available to help other abductees in any way that I could. For the last seven years, that is precisely what I have been doing. It has become my full-time, unpaid 'job.' And oh man, the amount of grief and pure BS I've had to endure/contend with all along the way is monumental! There's more 'stuff' Jim. A _lot_ more. But I'm trying hard to keep this post 'readable' by not making it 30 pages long. Hopefully you'll stick around for awhile and we can exchange more information over time. >>How could these people, people I had never met or even heard of, >>reproduce the same characters that I had just drawn. All of the >>papers in the folder were dated and signed. Some had been >>written years ago. This was no mere coincidence. > >Obviously, you all read the same obscure science fiction novel >from the 1930s, and watched that episode of The Outer Limits! :- >) <lol>Maybe it was Leprechauns that migrated over to America during the potato famine. Aha, it's probably the work of those mischievous wee folk! ;) >Well, as I mentioned previously, it's one of two elements I'm >aware of that potentially indicates objective reality of the >phenomenon. The other is a doozy as well. What I'm about to >describe I've never discussed publicly before, for reasons that >will become obvious. (snip) >John, out of curiosity, was this "mindscan" a part of your >experience? :) It was one of the _first_ details/memories that I regurgitated for Budd. Seeing those big, black eyes _close-up,_ just an inch or two away from your face is something that becomes _indelibly_ burned into your mind forever. It was vivid, waking visions of those 'eyes' staring into mine that triggered three trips to the emergency room for what I thought was a 'heart-attack', but which turned out to be "anxiety attacks". One of those episodes was triggered by my seeing a small oriental woman in a grey raincoat, head scarf and 'aviator style' sunglasses. I was on my home from work, I saw her, and a feeling of 'mortal dread' instantly over came me. Man it was like being hit with a powerful wave at the ocean. Knocked me off my feet. I froze on the spot. My heart started racing, breathing became labored and short, and I broke out in a cold sweat. My whole body felt weak, and it trembled, my knees turned to Jell-o. And all because that little lady triggered the vision of those big, black eyes floating right in front of my face. Mind you, all of these incidents transpired fifteen years before I ever heard of Budd Hopkins, abductees or abduction. You bet I am familiar with 'mindscan.' Intimately. I wish I knew an effective way to eliminate those memories and images from my mind. Any suggestions? :) Regards, John Sign the International Petition to the United Nations for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Speiser From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:40:08 -0700 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:08:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Speiser >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:12:23 EDT >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:23:12 -0700 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >Good Morning, Jim, List - >>Corder later >>proved himself to be a fraud, and in fact even lost his medical >>license. >Why should that disqualify him from UFO research? How many >people have been exposed as liars, frauds, charlatans only to >reappear and be accepted? The list is long and really rather >disgusting. >KRandle Kevin: The sad thing is that I had to parse your message several times, and remind myself who you were, before I was certain you were being facetious. A sad statement indeed on the state of You-Fool-ogy. ==JJS==
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Sandow From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:53:37 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:11:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Sandow >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com> >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:46:13 -0700 >Subject: Re: Symbols >I had exactly one abduction case that I handled in-depth, a >woman named Linda (not THAT Linda!). I met her at a local >conference, and she kinda latched on to me after being >frustrated by the treatment she got from MUFON. I brought her to >a trained, non-UFO-interested hypnotist, to try to round out her >memories (which she mostly recalled without hypnosis). During >one of the sessions, an incident spilled out which seemed >interesting, but which I hadn't seen in the literature. She >claimed that one of the entities, I think it was the "leader," >brought his face within inches of hers and began to stare into >her eyes. She said they were literally nose-to-...er, slits. She >was frightened, but could not bring herself to look away. This >lasted for about a minute. >I had happened to meet Dave Jacobs at a UFO conference in Santa >Barbara, where we discussed Linda's case. He asked me to keep in >touch with him about it. After the session where the stare-down >incident came out, I called Dave and started to bring him up to >date on the case. However, before I could get to the part about >the stare-down, he asked me if one of the entities had gotten >his face real close to Linda's and began to stare. >Of course, I was flabbergasted - and still am. Dave told me he >calls this procedure "Mindscan" (for reasons which he is even >today unsure of). He said it was not for publication, for at >that time he had never gone public with this particular element, >but it was virtually endemic to all his cases. There's a lot of this in abduction reports. Details - sometimes large, sometimes tiny - echo each other. Budd and Dave, I know, have deliberately not published some of their information, to keep abductees from contaminating each others' accounts. Dave has said - but I believe never documented - that there are events in abduction accounts that always occur in the same order. We're not talking here of the larger stages of abductions that Eddie Bullard wrote about, but of small things. Certain medical procedures always occuring in the same order, for instance, or certain implements always being used in the same series of ways. I've been with abductees, for what it's worth, when they've discovered that others have had the same experiences they have. Here's one case, where I wasn't with the abductee when she made the discovery, but was called on for help. An abductee I'd known pretty well had been hypnotized (by Budd) but didn't believe a word of what came out. About a year later, she read Dave Jacobs' first book, and was stupefied to see that things he'd written about had also come up in her hypnosis. She called me, in utter shock and dismay. Now, she said, she didn't know what to think. This is one part of the abduction phenomenon that skeptics (at least in my experience) don't come to grips with. It's true that abduction researchers haven't done the best job of documenting the similarities between one account and another. For example, how can we be sure that abductees really haven't shared their stories, even when they say they haven't? And what _are_ those series of events Dave says are identical in many reports? But skeptics don't, as a rule, even acknowledge that detailed similarities between abduction accounts (even involving tiny unpublished details) exist, and need to be explained. Greg Sandow
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:54:31 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:20:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:10:13 -0400 >Subject: Re: Symbols >>From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com> >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net> >>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:39:18 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Symbols >I'm hoping that the final outcome of these discussions is that >those samples manage to get into the hands of someone who can >get them to the 'best' experts and have them properly studied >and analysed. >>About Stuart Appelle. I don't think he's likely to get involved >>in this research, for the simple reason that it's not his field. >>He's a psychologist (I don't know what his specialty in >>psychology might be, but I see from his university's website >>that he's now an associate dean). I'm not sure what speciality >>you'd need to analyze purported alien writing, but I can imagine >>that linguists and cryptographers might be helpful. >Then (rightfully) linguists and cryptographers should have them! >I wouldn't know where to begin Greg. >Where does one find 'linguists and cryptographers'? >The process after that is 'simple.' (ha,ha.) Budd and David have >to consent to the transfer of their material, authorize Stuart >to transfer it, then Stuart has to make sure the physical >documents get transferred. >Piece of cake eh? <LMAO> >>In any case, Stuart never said he'd study the material himself. >>In his capacity as the editor of the Journal of UFO Studies, he >>said he'd try to find qualified people to make the study, and >>would publish their findings. I don't think he can help us >>himself. >I need help here Greg. If this thing isn't actively (and I think >publicly) pursued, it will _never_ get done. I can't do it >alone. >(Maybe) if you would be willing to act as an intermediary/ >contact with Budd and David, make the proposal, and (hopefully) >secure their permission, I'll talk to Dick Hall and he and I can >concentrate on contacting a few universities to see if we can >track down volunteer 'linguists and cryptographers.' >Dick, are you listening? John, My only problem with this is, what is there for language and code experts to study if they are truly alien language/writings? They would have nothing to compare it with; no precedents for figuring out its meaning. The best that could be expected is an argument of the reductio ad absurdum type: These sure ain't human language! The best argument for possible alien origin, as you and Greg have stated, is that so many people have independently come up with the same markings/writings. Then it becomes a matter of devising an experiment whereby 'known' abductees (a problem in itself) submit their renderings independently to an impartial judging panel of some kind, which could then pass judgment on how consistent or inconsistent the markings/wriitngs are. Like everything else in this field, nothing is easy. - Dick
UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black & White' Location: VirtuallyStrange.net > UFO > UpDates Mailing List > 2002 > Sep > Sep 30 Re: Symbols - Hall From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:47:07 +0000 Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:23:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Symbols - Hall >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:37:20 -0400 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net> >Subject: Re: Symbols >I thought _all_ the abductees were suffering from some kind of >undiagnosed psychological disorder, that Budd was exploiting >it/them, and that now, I must be losing my mind as well. >I half expected (was hoping) to to find out that Budd was a >complete fraud and that anyone who thought they were being >abducted was simply nuts and needed help. (Myself included.) But >that's not what happened though. >Much to my shock and dismay, I began getting annoying signs, and >confirmations that something real, physical, and tangible was >happening. Every time I met an abductee I failed to find a 'nut' >lurking under the surface. They were (for the most-part) >perfectly ordinary, family oriented, hard working people like >myself. Not cukoos. >The scary confirmations started happening from day one. I knew >absolutely nothing about ufology, abductions, cattle >mutilations, crop circles, none of it. I hadn't read any books >on the subject, and I never had attended a UFO lecture or a >conference, >I was as 'pristine' (uncontaminated) as one can be in terms of >knowing anything about the subject. With the obvious exception >of my own life-long, multiple UFO sightings and experiences. I >had conveniently buried and ignored it all because I didn't know >what to do with it. If I had talked to any one about any of that >stuff, I _knew_ that whoever I confided in would have thought I >was completely crackers. So I kept my mouth shut and each time >those memories or thoughts would surface I would simply put my >mind on something else. >Until I read "Missing Time." >Some of the disturbing confirmations I am speaking of consist of >the following: >Three out of the four of us that comprise my own immediate >family, (my wife, myself, my daughter and my son) have a 'scoop >mark' on our bodies. >Budd had many pictures of those identical marks on the bodies of >the abductees. >My wife awoke one morning with a deep groove around her right >upper thigh that was so freakish I rushed her to our family >physician immediately. The 'mark' looked as if someone had taken >one of those thin metal straps (that they use to tie big boxes) >and used it on my wife's leg. The 'groove' was about a 1/2 inch >deep! All around the thigh. It looked like it should have hurt >like hell but she didn't feel any pain whatsoever. It took 18 >months for it to heal. Even today, years after, an impression is >still visible. My doctor had never seen anything like it. >Budd had photos of 'other' women with the _identical_ mark, in >the same place, (upper right thigh) who claimed the marks were >received during an abduction event. In fact, the first time he >showed me the pictures I asked him how he had gotten pictures of >my wife's leg! I had to look closely before I realized that it >wasn't Margie's leg. >The 'drawings' that I reproduced. >Budd had a folder full. >Then there's all the 'regular' symptoms; a life-time of close-up >encounters with, and sightings of UFOs; missing time; fully >conscious and clear recollections of bits and pieces of the >abductions themselves over the years, on and on and on like >that. >Instead of it all "falling apart" as I expected at first, I >began to get confirmation after confirmation that what was >happening to myself and my family members was _firmly_ based in >physical reality. That all of this impossible insanity was no >hallucination or misinterpretation on my part. >It didn't take long before the reality of my situation sank in >and completely shattered mr and my world view. I went through >the _exact_ same process that people go through when someone >very close to them dies. >Only the death that I was 'mourning' was my own. I sorely missed >the ignorant but happy 'self' I used to be before I found out >the truth. This has been a life-altering and deeply >disturbing/disruptive piece of knowledge for me to have to >integrate into my psyche/being/daily life. >It's hasn't been easy at any time, or on any level to have to >deal with something like this. Many of the people who goof on >abductees, people who are reporting abduction, would soil their >Depends safety napkins if anything similar ever happened to >them. It _literally_ changes/expands the whole Universe from >inside out. >Early on I decided that I was going to dedicate my life to >raising public awareness about this most urgent and disturbing >phenomenon. I committed to do what I could to help Budd (and >other researchers) in his/their work and to make myself >available to help other abductees in any way that I could. For >the last seven years, that is precisely what I have been doing. >It has become my full-time, unpaid 'job.' And oh man, the amount >of grief and pure BS I've had to endure/contend with all along >the way is monumental! >>John, out of curiosity, was this "mindscan" a part of your >>experience? >:) It was one of the _first_ details/memories that I >regurgitated for Budd. Seeing those big, black eyes _close-up,_ >just an inch or two away from your face is something that >becomes _indelibly_ burned into your mind forever. >It was vivid, waking visions of those 'eyes' staring into mine >that triggered three trips to the emergency room for what I >thought was a 'heart-attack', but which turned out to be >"anxiety attacks". >One of those episodes was triggered by my seeing a small >oriental woman in a grey raincoat, head scarf and 'aviator >style' sunglasses. I was on my home from work, I saw her, and a >feeling of 'mortal dread' instantly over came me. Man it was >like being hit with a powerful wave at the ocean. Knocked me off >my feet. I froze on the spot. >My heart started racing, breathing became labored and short, and >I broke out in a cold sweat. My whole body felt weak, and it >trembled, my knees turned to Jell-o. And all because that little >lady triggered the vision of those big, black eyes floating >right in front of my face. >Mind you, all of these incidents transpired fifteen years before >I ever heard of Budd Hopkins, abductees or abduction. >You bet I am familiar with 'mindscan.' Intimately. I wish I knew >an effective way to eliminate those memories and images from my >mind. >Any suggestions? :) >Regards, >John >Sign the International Petition to the United Nations >for disclosure of information pertaining to UFOs. >http://www.virtuallystrange.net/petition John et al., A recurring theme in my experience of working with abductees is that of their preferring to belive that they were having mental/psychological problems. That was something they felt they could deal with and get help for. But if the experiences were real, the implications were mind-bending and reality-destroying. I wrote a paper on this titled "Testing Reality" which, I think, is still available from the Fund for UFO Research. Once again, this turns the debunker position on end, assuming that people get some kind of psychological gain out of being abductees. Au contraire! I would venture to say that except for those abductees in the minority who try to rationalize their experiences as something good and positive (out of desperation, in my opinion), the most common reaction by far is fear, psychological and emotional upset, and urgently seeking answers. This is hardly the profile of people who are seeking attention or importance in life, one of those glib and absolutely wrong skeptical generalizations. I have seen and vicariously experienced the fear, pain, and anguish, and have found it both deeply unsettling and completely convincing. - Dick