Hello everyone,

Lately I have been worrying about my future and I don't have anyone else to talk to other than my significant other. My goals in life are to have 5 children and some land (not much) to raise rabbits for meat and grow a few crops for my family. Anybody else in my life who I try to talk to about my concerns in reaching these goals just tell me to give them up, that I have no reason to need land, and that 5 children is too many. It would be nice and I would greatly appreciate it to get a fresh perspective from a fellow white nationalist who is outside of the situation and may be able to think of new ideas for us.

Let's even say forget the land. Let's say I just settle on getting out of the city into a whiter, more rural area where I can raise my children. I live in Toronto, which is an incredibly horrible city. I don't even need to get into that, as anyone who has been here can understand why it's so bad. The suburb we live in is pretty much all old quiet white people, but I can't stay in this one neighbourhood all the time. I have to leave it almost every day - to go to work, to buy groceries, run errands, and so on. It's really, really hard to leave Toronto. It's almost like a cycle. The jobs are here - my boyfriend and I would both have to quit our jobs if we left. Yet the living expenses are so high that it is very difficult to save up money. Even if we wanted to leave, could secure a job somewhere else, we would not have the money necessary to transport all our stuff, pay first-last rent to our new place, or pay any other moving related expenses. We absolutely do not want to raise our children in this hell-hole, but I am 20 years old already, and I want FIVE kids, and my fertility will not last forever.

Neither me or my boyfriend have any skills. He is a good speaker and works at sales jobs. He makes about $1600 a month. I work in a barn and make about $1000 a month, depending on what shifts I get. Our rent is $900, my groceries $150, his groceries $350. Our bus passes are $109 each per month. I am quite good at budgeting but there are always a million other expenses that always come up! I have $3000 in savings but he has virtually nothing. We are both heavily in debt. I attended business school for a year and a half before he took me out of that ZOG institution, but while I was there I ended up getting myself $15,000 in debt. My father cosigned on the loan, and I feel bad to declare bankruptcy, because it means he would have to pay it all. My father has betrayed me in many ways I won't get into, and my boyfriend tells me not to feel bad about doing that to my father. But my heart still keeps me from doing it. My boyfriend is in a lot of debt too, because he went about 8 months a while ago without being able to find a job, and while he was unemployed he paid all of his expenses by credit card and had ridiculously high interest. Creditors call bothering him all the time, but he intends to declare bankruptcy.

He tells me not to worry, but I am very worried about the future sometimes. I want my goals to come true (leave the city, move to rural white area, have 5 children) and I often feel that they will not. The amount of money I need to do that seems insurmountable. My boyfriend will inherit his father's business when he retires. It is a printing shop, and his father seems pretty well-off although I am not sure exactly how much he makes. However, his father is in his late 40s, so who knows when he will retire. Maybe he will not retire until he is in his late 60s - another 20 years! By that time I will be in MY 40s and I will definately be barren by then!

My boyfriend, in the meantime, says he wants to save up money and start a landscaping business. I think that he should go to trade school or college and get a skilled trade so that he can find steady employment, but he is obsessed with the landscaping thing! It doesn't make much sense to me. By the time he can save up enough money to start that up a good number of years will have passed! And even if it does get going, who knows whether it is going to be successful in the beginning, or even in later years? And even if it is successful, landscaping is a seasonal thing. And I would prefer the security of him having a steady wage, rather than being a business owner. I am as supportive as possible and do my best not to worry, but I do. I really do worry a lot. Because I would like to start having children at age 24 at the latest. We are getting married in 2011 and ideally I would like to start having children right after that, at age 22. But where do we get the money? He will not even consider going to school for a trade - he says he does not have enough money to go to school, and that he could never get a loan because his credit is destroyed. What are we supposed to do?

He wants to be able to support me (as a stay at home mom) as well as 5 children - that's 6 people for one man to support! As a back up, if it is needed, I will ride racehorses in the morning to help supplement our family income. If I rode racehorses I could make $100 a day, 7 days a week, cash in hand no tax. That's a lot of money! It is very easy to get work as an exercise rider just by being pretty, however I need to train more before I could get to that level. I need to exercise and become strong, as well as train in riding horses. To exercise and become strong, I need free time. To train in riding I have two options. I could get trained for free, but I would need to go live with a man in a town that is a little bit far away from where we live right now. I would be seperated from my boyfriend living with another man (who is 60 years old) and who knows what he will try to do with me. My boyfriend won't let me go, he thinks it is too dangerous. Alternatively, I could go to a school in Alberta for 3 months and learn everything I need to know, but this would cost me $5000. I am sure I could save up the money if I work diligently right now. However, to even get into that school, I need to pass a fitness test and a riding test. So I need free time to exercise in the meantime, as well as money so that I can ride right now! For a riding coach I can either travel two hours away and pay $200 a month (which would mean 4 hours in transportation time on my training day, making it pretty impossible to work that day and therefore make money), or I could pay $430 a month and go to a closer one.

I work about 20-25 hours a week right now, but my work is an hour and a half away so I spend 3 hours on the bus for every day that I work. I am thinking of taking a second job but that would leave me with very little time for cooking or exercising, and I need to cook for my man and I need to exercise if I want to get strong enough to ride racehorses. Right now I work as a groom at a show barn and I make SHIT money. I have trouble getting jobs because frankly, I have poor customer service skills and pretty much all available jobs for people with no skills are in the customer service field. I am kind of clumsy, and a bit stupid sometimes, and I am not good at much other than working with animals and cooking and cleaning. My boss at my job right now has the hots for me, as did my boss at my previous job at the racetrack (which I left because there are too many niggers at the track), and I think maybe they wanted me working for them only for that reason. Still, I need to get a second job or I'll never be able to save up money!

I am considering two jobs but have issues with both. I may try to seek out work as a nanny, but my man says this is dangerous - that I would be going to someone's house, and who knows what the person is like? I applied for a job as a nanny before, and I went to the person's house for an interview, and her last name was Rosen - for sure a jew. She lived in the jewish part of town as well, and was going to pay me good money, and liked me and was going to hire me but my boyfriend and I had a talk and decided that it was way too dangerous to be in the home of a jew every day. If I could find a good family to link up with, being a nanny for a while could be very promising. I was also considering working for Hooters, my man once again doesn't want me to do this. He doesn't want people looking at me in that tiny outfit, doesn't want me to have to flirt with people to make money, and is afraid that customers might stalk me and try to follow me after work and stuff like that. It goes so against my personality and against my morals to work in a place like that. I don't want to do it. But the money is good, a girl at my barn works there and she'll make at minimum $100 a day in tips easily - way more for nights where there are special events like football games or car washes. I don't want to go there, but the money seems so good, and I just need to save money. I'm so desperate. At every job I ever had before I was stared at all day long, and had people hitting on me all the time, so I might as well make a ton of money experiencing the same thing, right? I would rather be stared at and hit on and get paid money for it, than do so right now anyways only making the minimum wage.

All in all, everything goes around in a big circle and its so extremely hard for me to make any sense of it all and figure out how to make decisions in my life that will lead to my ultimate goals! I need money for my goals and I am unsure of what route to take. If anyone has a fresh perspective to my situation I would greatly appreciate it. I promise that one day I will bring as many white babies into the world as I possibly can, and I need some advice on how to achieve my goals.

Thank you so much for reading my super long message.

I suggest your boyfriend goes into a trade - such as an auto mechanic, plumbing, or other worthwhile trade. For you being a nurse is always in demand. Best of luck.

If you want five children you need to find a man who can support you in a year or two, not ten years from now.

Your boyfriend doesn't sound like he's going to be ready to support you any time soon, if ever. You need to find a good man who has a dependable job or business, already owns a house with some land and who wants to have children.

If you want five children you need to find a man who can support you in a year or two, not ten years from now.

Your boyfriend doesn't sound like he's going to be ready to support you any time soon, if ever. You need to find a good man who has a dependable job or business, already owns a house with some land and who wants to have children.

Yeah I guess you're right, I should desert the man whom I love and who introduced me to this line of thinking and saved me from the jew, to go with a man who has more money. What a wonderful, moral, and valuable woman I would be then. I didn't even want children before I met this man.

I'm looking for honest real advice, we really need to figure out what to do.

Find a retiring Ontario farmer who has no heirs who will make farmers out of you two.

Yeah I guess you're right, I should desert the man whom I love and who introduced me to this line of thinking and saved me from the jew, to go with a man who has more money. What a wonderful, moral, and valuable woman I would be then. I didn't even want children before I met this man.

Then you're probably going to have to scale back your plans.


My boyfriend is in a lot of debt too, because he went about 8 months a while ago without being able to find a job, and while he was unemployed he paid all of his expenses by credit card and had ridiculously high interest. Creditors call bothering him all the time, but he intends to declare bankruptcy.


I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the United States bankruptcy means you'll have a hard time buying a home for seven years afterwards unless you can pay cash.

Another thing is boy oh boy do I ever love those racehorses. As hard as I try to make myself be a proper woman and housewife and mother, its hard to stay away from that racetrack. Duty versus passion is a hard battle to fight.

Join the Amish.

http://www.wikihow.com/Join-the-Amish

Or if their ways are too spartan, move to Utah, convert to Mormonism, and go to church regularly. Mormons are like the gentile answer to the jews. They stick together and help each other like the jews do, but are very moral and clean living. In other words, they'll help you get set up in Utah and can arrange for many good things to come your way. It's also a very, very white state. And Mormons adamantly promote large families.

The key is you want to be part of an established and tight-knit religious community. That's how you create immediate contacts and network with fellow whites who are generally successful and motivated. And you don't have to believe in heaven and all that nonsense.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2078482_convert-mormonism.html

I say try out living with the 60-yr-old dude who will train you for free. get to know him, etc... if he is a nice guy, be grateful to him and work hard. also, if it doesn't work out and he sexually harasses you, gather some solid evidence and sue him and get some money (he sounds lik a rich guy).

My boyfriend, in the meantime, says he wants to save up money and start a landscaping business. I think that he should go to trade school or college and get a skilled trade so that he can find steady employment, but he is obsessed with the landscaping thing! It doesn't make much sense to me. By the time he can save up enough money to start that up a good number of years will have passed! And even if it does get going, who knows whether it is going to be successful in the beginning, or even in later years? And even if it is successful, landscaping is a seasonal thing. And I would prefer the security of him having a steady wage, rather than being a business owner. I am as supportive as possible and do my best not to worry, but I do. I really do worry a lot. Because I would like to start having children at age 24 at the latest. We are getting married in 2011 and ideally I would like to start having children right after that, at age 22. But where do we get the money? He will not even consider going to school for a trade - he says he does not have enough money to go to school, and that he could never get a loan because his credit is destroyed. What are we supposed to do?

He is not going to be able to start a business with no money, ruined credit, and no marketable skills with which to earn significant savings.

He may want to start his own business (wouldn't we all?) but he needs to be able to support himself and his family, and those needs have to supersede his inclination towards acquiring a landscaping business through some ambiguous means in the distant future. He should bite the bullet and learn a trade, as that would allow him to begin making decent money and provide you with the option of moving to a healthier area of the country.

Good luck!

I was talking to Lauren just now and told her to look into starting a small business. Also, if you scratch the land idea, for now, and put it on the backburner. It's doable, you just need to find the niche to get started in.

If you want five children you need to find a man who can support you in a year or two, not ten years from now.



Are you suggesting that she whore herself out?

Financially it looks like the lawn business is the best option. You could even help him since you only work 20-25 hours a week and you're good looks, as you state, could even help gather clients.

Getting clients will be the hardest thing to do but once you get enough to break even your moral will be flying high.

It doesn't even have to be a lawn business, house cleaning or a in home daycare (if you have the room) could be something you both could help build up.

Best of luck to you.

You're spending 900 a month on rent? For two people? In Canada? What are you living in? That seems way high to me. As does 500/month in food. You should be able to cut large chunks out of those expenses.

You have to figure a way to live BELOW your expenses so that you are getting ahead each month. You're not living below your means but ABOVE your means. 900 where I am would rent a six-bedroom house. Get a 1br apt, quit eating out, are two best places to start.

Toronto is expensive, Alex.

Here in Northern NJ, it is almost impossible to find a 1br apartment for under $1000 a month. Decent (not luxury) two bedroom apartments are more like $1500.

Other residents of NJ can confirm this outrage.

Toronto is expensive, Alex.

Here in Northern NJ, it is almost impossible to find a 1br apartment for under $1000 a month. Decent (not luxury) two bedroom apartments are more like $1500.

Other residents of NJ can confirm this outrage.

Ok...

Then the revised answer is that the two cannot afford to live in Toronto. Rent shouldn't be more than about 1/4 of your income, and less if you're trying to build up and get ahead.

Ok...

Then the revised answer is that the two cannot afford to live in Toronto. Rent shouldn't be more than about 1/4 of your income, and less if you're trying to build up and get ahead.

Yes. 1/4 your income is the standard rate you should aim for, at least for an individual. $1,600 per month (Canadian) seems very low for a sales in Toronto. I hope that's after taxes. Kievsky posted a story about an online college you can take for $100 a month. Maybe that would help both of your make a better wage.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=100380&highlight=straighter

My advise is to have the children immediately. That is more important than anything. Aren't your medical expenses at least taken care of in Canada? If so so should take advantage.

At the same time, live below your means and pay off your debt. In other words, you need to sacrifice your comfort to insure the survival of your offspring. Good luck.

Lauren Inniss, you have this thread in the "How to Live White" sub-forum, so you and your man - both of you and together - need to get down to actually living White in the modern world. Actually living it means a very different, and somewhat more severe lifestyle than merely wanting it. Sacrifice and a lot of very hard work will be the path for you both along the way to reach the goals you seek.

At 20-25 hours per week (with a ridiculously long commute) you are in effect only working part-time. You should be working at least 40-50 hours every week. Your man should be working at least 60 hours every week, more if possible. Both of you need to make your working hours count. They should pay as much as possible. You should not factor in very much of how much you may or may not "enjoy" the work you are doing: at least not right now.

If you are seriously considering the Hooters job, then you should be able to go for it. Hooters are OK restaurants, and they have lots of training and security in place to protect their waitresses against stalking and harrassment. If you're fortunate enough to have the good looks for it, that is sure a resource you and your man should not ignore.

I think your biggest problem is going to be with getting your man motivated. He needs to get down to some serious work and get the pie-in-the-sky daydreams about "having his own business" under control. Trade skills are a way (I make more than twice what the both of you do, but it takes a swing shift and 60+ hours a week - plus the apprenticeship years - to get there). My wife makes twice what the both of you do as a high end clerk. (Much too old to do the Hooters thing!) But trade skills are not the only way at all. In fact, trade skills are probably the lowest paid of the career areas. If your man can really sell, then that's what he needs to be doing, since professional salesmen can make really big bucks. Hard work, itz, but the money is always there for the top producers.

The "own business" thing? Once you have some success and some financial stability, then it's always a possibility to use even more time to try the waters there - usually as a side-work venture to see if it can grow and develop. Having one's own business - an actual successful business - is a lot more work than working at a job. The sacrifices will be very considerable for the first few years, and it will be impossible without plenty of start-up capital. Alex's advice is paramount: you must absolutely get your outgo less than your income: something it now seems that neither of you have so far managed well at all. This you must start on TODAY!

Bankruptcy may actually be a good idea, provided that you have already learned to successfully live within your means. Don't worry about the 7 years to a house. From what you've written, there's no house in your immediate future regardless. Getting your bills paid via bankruptcy may be the most expedient route to financial recovery (which is the first requisite to a landed, familied future). I've known too many people who decided to suck it up and struggle on - fighting their creditors and making payments. Ten years later they are often still in the same boat - only worse off.

Does your man know your hopes for your future? Does he agree with and desire those same things? The both of you must be struggling (and a struggle it is sure to be) towards a common goal or else nothing's going to happen in that direction. If your man is not going to take the lead in partnering a White future with five children and a little piece of land, then that is not going to be your future with that particular man.

I'll assume that those are net income figures you provided, so the both of you together are bringing in 2600 a month. 900 for rent, 500 for food (when that much is going for food I sure hope you're eating well) and 210 on bus passes. That leaves you guys with an extra $1000 per month.

You have to make a payment on your student loan, but your boyfriend doesn't because he's declaring bankruptcy, so let's say that's another expense of $200/month. That leaves $800. Let's take away another $200 for incidentals and you're left with $600.

So you should be able to save up $600 per month right now, and you already have $3000. With that in mind, work another six months in Toronto, save up an additional $3500, take your total savings of $6500, and get the hell out! Both you and your boyfriend!

Go west, to Calgary. Your boyfriend will find a job in sales there no problem, while you'll be able to pursue riding. You can settle down in the NW quadrant of the city, which is about 85% White. Work on getting driver's licenses. Work on buying a car. The less public transportation you have to take the less you'll come in contact with muds. If your boyfriend has no luck in sales then there's still lots of general labour work available which easily pays $2000 net.

If you want to remain in Ontario and are not interested in Calgary, then still do what I wrote above--save for six months, etc--and then get the hell out of Toronto.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Are you suggesting that she whore herself out?

What I'm suggesting is even more outrageous. Marriage to a man who earns enough to allow her to stay at home full time to raise her five children rather than pursuing a career, abandoning her children to the ordeals of jewed daycare and public education.

If you want five children you need to find a man who can support you in a year or two, not ten years from now.

Your boyfriend doesn't sound like he's going to be ready to support you any time soon, if ever. You need to find a good man who has a dependable job or business, already owns a house with some land and who wants to have children.

So she should dump her boyfriend just because he doesn't have any money and whore herself out to some rich guy? I don't agree with that.

So she should dump her boyfriend just because he doesn't have any money and whore herself out to some rich guy? I don't agree with that.

looking at this guy objectively he's pretty bottom of the barrel: not very bright; no skills; not ambitious enough to even want to provide for a big family; no planning ability or desire for self-improvement; sick or lazy or flaky enough to be unemployed for almost one year; irresponsible and shortsided for racking up huge debts on credit cards; only earning $20,000/yr working fulltime in sales in a big city wtf does he ask if you want fries with that??

if you want someone you can trust and depend upon to provide for you and your family lauren you will leave this boy and find a real man, someone who is responsible, hardworking, capable, foresighted, pragmatic. you say you "love" him, but probably what's going on is he is handsome and good in the sack, and you are thinking with your pussy instead of your brain. don't be selfish, think of your future kids.

looking at this guy objectively he's pretty bottom of the barrel: not very bright; no skills; not ambitious enough to even want to provide for a big family; no planning ability or desire for self-improvement; sick or lazy or flaky enough to be unemployed for almost one year; irresponsible and shortsided for racking up huge debts on credit cards; only earning $20,000/yr working fulltime in sales in a big city wtf does he ask if you want fries with that??

if you want someone you can trust and depend upon to provide for you and your family lauren you will leave this boy and find a real man, someone who is responsible, hardworking, capable, foresighted, pragmatic. you say you "love" him, but probably what's going on is he is handsome and good in the sack, and you are thinking with your pussy instead of your brain. don't be selfish, think of your future kids.


You all seem to be forgetting that this man is racially aware. He's the one who taught her everything she knows about politics and world issues, and he seems to have taught her well.

So she'll go out and find herself a wealthy patriotard or liberal and have five children with him. But you know what? I'd rather see a racially aware couple bring just one strong and conscious Aryan child into this woebegone world than a couple of Kwanadians bring ten guppies.

Give him a chance. He's doing a good job so far. He's managed to take an attractive young woman (she posted her pics once) and transform her into an ideal that most of us are looking for.

He's managed to take an attractive young woman (she posted her pics once) and transform her into an ideal that most of us are looking us.

As someone who has done the same, I can say that this is no easy task. It takes years to properly mould a good woman, since all of the institutions that are supposed to be there in order to guide them toward a healthy lifestyle have been deliberately and systematically dismantled.

When I first met my woman, she didn't know who Spengler or Yockey were, and now she quotes them over the dinner table.

Bassanio, a link to the photos is in order so that we can all give Lauren here the best-informed advice that we can. ;)

Lauren, I have to ask this, do you have a back-up plan for everything?

You're not planning on going to school, or having a career. So what if you have 5 children, and your husband dies suddenly? Or he's unable to work? Do you know what you'll do then? Because trust me, everything is possible. I'm completely alone at 20 trying to make it, and never thought I would be. But things happen. You really can't depend on anything.

So I know you really want the advice of men, but I'll throw mine in here. I have the biological clock thing too, and wanted to have kids before I turn 25. But if I don't, I don't. 25-35 is the prime years of childbearing, so it's okay to relax a little. You can wait a few years before you think about it.

In the meantime, just search for a job. I'm sure you can find one that pays better. Nobody wants to work, but it's only temporary for you. Save all the money you can. Oh, and don't work at Hooters. It's one thing to have men glare at you, it's another to encourage it. At that place, you have to put on a fake act, that's the only way you get tips. Your regular salary would be low. So you have to flirt with all the creepy old guys, and whatever minority you're waiting on. Otherwise, you don't make money. Any restaurant would be better than that place really.

So save up all the money you can. Do this for a few years, then re-evalute. If your boyfriend hasn't gotten it together by then, you seriously need to reconsider being with him. Think about what I said. If he got hit by a bus, what would you do? You'd be 30, and alone with possibly five children.

Don't take such big chances. You've got plenty of time to do everything you want.

Financially it looks like the lawn business is the best option. You could even help him since you only work 20-25 hours a week and you're good looks, as you state, could even help gather clients.

Getting clients will be the hardest thing to do but once you get enough to break even your moral will be flying high.

It doesn't even have to be a lawn business, house cleaning or a in home daycare (if you have the room) could be something you both could help build up.

Best of luck to you.

An in-home daycare would be amazing. That would be an amazing idea. I should try to get a nanny job as soon as possible so that I can get more childcare experience.

You're spending 900 a month on rent? For two people? In Canada? What are you living in? That seems way high to me. As does 500/month in food. You should be able to cut large chunks out of those expenses.

You have to figure a way to live BELOW your expenses so that you are getting ahead each month. You're not living below your means but ABOVE your means. 900 where I am would rent a six-bedroom house. Get a 1br apt, quit eating out, are two best places to start.

Mr. Linder, I am living in Toronto. $900 a month for rent is not much at all. If I had to go much lower I would have to move to the ghetto.

We do spend way too much on food but it's his fault completely! My groceries are $100-$150 but his are so expensive because he's on a weight gain diet right now and eating a lot of red meat. We never eat out, literally never. My boyfriend is so damn obsessed with always having perfectly fresh top quality produce. I am a great shopper, too, I go to 3 different grocery stores because one has the best priced produce, one has the best priced meat and packaged goods, and one has the best priced oatmeal and eggs.

I budget my money obsessively, but he doesn't. He is pretty good with keeping track of money in his head but I guess that is one place we should start also.

Ok...

Then the revised answer is that the two cannot afford to live in Toronto. Rent shouldn't be more than about 1/4 of your income, and less if you're trying to build up and get ahead.

But then there's the cycle of not being able to find a job in a different city and not being able to pay all the moving costs and first-last rent for a new place. We would really love to go to Oshawa and we are looking into that but it just doesn't seem possible at this very moment.

Lauren, I have to ask this, do you have a back-up plan for everything?

You're not planning on going to school, or having a career. So what if you have 5 children, and your husband dies suddenly? Or he's unable to work? Do you know what you'll do then? Because trust me, everything is possible. I'm completely alone at 20 trying to make it, and never thought I would be.

That's what life insurance is for.


25-35 is the prime years of childbearing.


Not biologically.

Lauren Inniss, you have this thread in the "How to Live White" sub-forum, so you and your man - both of you and together - need to get down to actually living White in the modern world. Actually living it means a very different, and somewhat more severe lifestyle than merely wanting it. Sacrifice and a lot of very hard work will be the path for you both along the way to reach the goals you seek.

At 20-25 hours per week (with a ridiculously long commute) you are in effect only working part-time. You should be working at least 40-50 hours every week. Your man should be working at least 60 hours every week, more if possible. Both of you need to make your working hours count. They should pay as much as possible. You should not factor in very much of how much you may or may not "enjoy" the work you are doing: at least not right now.

If you are seriously considering the Hooters job, then you should be able to go for it. Hooters are OK restaurants, and they have lots of training and security in place to protect their waitresses against stalking and harrassment. If you're fortunate enough to have the good looks for it, that is sure a resource you and your man should not ignore.

I think your biggest problem is going to be with getting your man motivated. He needs to get down to some serious work and get the pie-in-the-sky daydreams about "having his own business" under control. Trade skills are a way (I make more than twice what the both of you do, but it takes a swing shift and 60+ hours a week - plus the apprenticeship years - to get there). My wife makes twice what the both of you do as a high end clerk. (Much too old to do the Hooters thing!) But trade skills are not the only way at all. In fact, trade skills are probably the lowest paid of the career areas. If your man can really sell, then that's what he needs to be doing, since professional salesmen can make really big bucks. Hard work, itz, but the money is always there for the top producers.

The "own business" thing? Once you have some success and some financial stability, then it's always a possibility to use even more time to try the waters there - usually as a side-work venture to see if it can grow and develop. Having one's own business - an actual successful business - is a lot more work than working at a job. The sacrifices will be very considerable for the first few years, and it will be impossible without plenty of start-up capital. Alex's advice is paramount: you must absolutely get your outgo less than your income: something it now seems that neither of you have so far managed well at all. This you must start on TODAY!

Bankruptcy may actually be a good idea, provided that you have already learned to successfully live within your means. Don't worry about the 7 years to a house. From what you've written, there's no house in your immediate future regardless. Getting your bills paid via bankruptcy may be the most expedient route to financial recovery (which is the first requisite to a landed, familied future). I've known too many people who decided to suck it up and struggle on - fighting their creditors and making payments. Ten years later they are often still in the same boat - only worse off.

Does your man know your hopes for your future? Does he agree with and desire those same things? The both of you must be struggling (and a struggle it is sure to be) towards a common goal or else nothing's going to happen in that direction. If your man is not going to take the lead in partnering a White future with five children and a little piece of land, then that is not going to be your future with that particular man.

Thank you so much for your advice, it is extremely helpful.
What needs to be done in my situation is:

A. Boyfriend needs to stop being stupidly optimistic - it will be a lot harder to achieve all this than he thinks
B. We should BOTH take up second jobs on the side - to get the money now is more important than making sure my cooking and cleaning are perfect right now - I can do all those stepford wife things when I am actually able to be a stay at home mother
C. I need to get a second job as either a Hooters girl (big bucks) or a nanny (valuable experience)
D. We need to make a better budget and keep track of finances very strictly
E. My boyfriend needs to plan out his goals and his future better (I have a notebook where I plan these things out for myself in a very well-organized manner. He does not, he just keeps track of it in his head.)
F. My boyfriend needs to declare bankruptcy.
G. I need to declare bankruptcy. I just need to get the courage to do it. I am so poor, and my father makes $300,000 a year and doesn't share. He even makes me pay for my own supper when he wants to go out and do something together. I should not feel bad for dropping $15,000 of my debt onto him. But I do feel bad, I can't help it.
H. My ultimate goal is to be a great wife to my man and an amazing mother to my children. I WILL stay home, I WILL NOT give in and have a career. I may need to make sacrifices, my life may have to be a living hell before I can get there, but I can get there. I may need to exercise horses in the mornings, and babysit some other kids in my own home while I am a housewife. I want to homeschool my children - perhaps other Canadians would be interested in homeschooling as well, yet they don't have the time to invest in it. That could be another option for me.

As for whether he aspires for the same thing... He is the one who made me aspire for these things :) Before he helped me become racially aware I was just another career girl, I was going to finance school until he pulled me away from that ZOG indoctrination centre. I used to not want to have any children at all because of the financial burden! I wanted to be able to spend all my money on fancy clothes and what not. It is him who made me realize my purpose in life.

Thank you all so much for your refreshing advice. Everyone else either tells me not to have children and land, or they say to leave my broke boyfriend and go to a rich man. I am not the kind of person to do either!

I'll assume that those are net income figures you provided, so the both of you together are bringing in 2600 a month. 900 for rent, 500 for food (when that much is going for food I sure hope you're eating well) and 210 on bus passes. That leaves you guys with an extra $1000 per month.

You have to make a payment on your student loan, but your boyfriend doesn't because he's declaring bankruptcy, so let's say that's another expense of $200/month. That leaves $800. Let's take away another $200 for incidentals and you're left with $600.

So you should be able to save up $600 per month right now, and you already have $3000. With that in mind, work another six months in Toronto, save up an additional $3500, take your total savings of $6500, and get the hell out! Both you and your boyfriend!

Go west, to Calgary. Your boyfriend will find a job in sales there no problem, while you'll be able to pursue riding. You can settle down in the NW quadrant of the city, which is about 85% White. Work on getting driver's licenses. Work on buying a car. The less public transportation you have to take the less you'll come in contact with muds. If your boyfriend has no luck in sales then there's still lots of general labour work available which easily pays $2000 net.

If you want to remain in Ontario and are not interested in Calgary, then still do what I wrote above--save for six months, etc--and then get the hell out of Toronto.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Thank you so much Bassanio, you have made me realize what the problem is. I have been keeping track of our finances seperately - mine and his - and I should be keeping track of them together. The next time that he and I are together (we usually work opposite shifts - it is so hard for us to be together in the house at the same time) I will make a perfect budget. The $5000 riding school I want to go to is actually in Olds, Alberta. I think that is pretty close to Calgary. And the cost is only $2500 for the course if you don't need to live on campus. Are there lots of jobs in Calgary? We were also considering Oshawa but I'm unsure of how the situation is there right now. Oshawa has Windfields Farm, and I should stay relatively close to Woodbine (Toronto) if I plan on becoming an exercise rider in the future. I also want a motorcycle - cheaper to buy, and cheaper insurance, than a car.

I have a lot of new ideas to think about now, all it takes is to sit down and look over all of them and come up with a new plan.

Student loans cannot be dissolved through a Bankruptcy in Canada for a minimum of 7 years. That means you can begin trying to get out of your student loan seven years from now, and by then, they might change the law so that you can never get out of it, like the way it is now in the USA. In the USA you cannot discharge studen loans. Canada always follows the USA.

Bankruptcy is for people who have assets to protect.

You both have no significant assets. Filing bankruptcy will just put you in more debt, this time to your bankruptcy lawyer who will eventually tell you that you don't have a case.

What will happen is your creditors will file a lawsuit in court and get a judgment against you and your boyfriend and they will take your wages directly from your Employer before they give the rest of the paycheck to you. If your employer does not comply, they will arrest him and put him in prison.

You both will never be able to own any property, because the lawyers will be notified and they will file a lien against any property you have in your name to get back the money you owe them.

That's why your boyfriend want's to start a lawn mowing service like Mexicans do, because its cash under the table that the judge cant get at so easy. But if they wanted to they could hire a private investigator to follow him around and note his business activity and possibly arrest him for tax evasion since he has to have a business license to operate and he has to collect and report sales tax to the city.

looking at this guy objectively he's pretty bottom of the barrel: not very bright; no skills;

He has no skills because he could never afford to go to school. Where does somebody get the money for that? He's a working class guy.

not ambitious enough to even want to provide for a big family;

He is the one who wanted a big family way before I ever agreed to. He is very ambitious, just overly optimistic. He thinks it will be easy to start up a business. He doesn't realize how much it will take. He has seen his father as well as both of his grandfathers start up their own businesses and become successful, by seeing literally all of his male role models in life do this he probably thinks its commonplace and a piece of cake.

no planning ability

I agree here :D He is the most unorganized person I have ever met and has no concept of keeping track of finances or goals or plans.


or desire for self-improvement;

He is constantly obsessed with self-improvement. The very reason our grocery bill is so high is because he's trying to get really strong.

sick or lazy or flaky enough to be unemployed for almost one year;

There was no work. He lived in a shithole to be able to get himself through this period of time and conducted himself with an extremely high degree of honor. He didn't eat hardly anything or have heat in winter or running water so that he could get through it. Watch what you're saying. Adolf Hitler himself went through similar periods in life.

irresponsible and shortsided for racking up huge debts on credit cards;

It was more responsible of him to go into debt to live than to go on welfare, or mooch off family or friends, or beg for money on the street, wasn't it?

only earning $20,000/yr working fulltime in sales in a big city wtf does he ask if you want fries with that??

40 hours a week at $12 an hour with a 15% tax rate - tell me where an uneducated, unskilled person can go to get more, and I'm sure we will go there.

if you want someone you can trust and depend upon to provide for you and your family lauren you will leave this boy and find a real man, someone who is responsible, hardworking, capable, foresighted, pragmatic. you say you "love" him, but probably what's going on is he is handsome and good in the sack, and you are thinking with your pussy instead of your brain. don't be selfish, think of your future kids.

I would be the one being selfish if I would leave the man who tries so hard to take care of me, loves me more than anything in the world, centers his whole life around me, risked his life to save my life, and risked scaring me off by trying to make me become racially aware, wouldn't I? Just because I can't stick around and see it through, and am scared that maybe possibly in the future he won't have enough money? People start out small when they are young. A good woman sticks by her man in good times and bad times. I'm not one to run away at the sight of troubles. If I was that kind of person, I would have stayed living with my jew lover father all along. I would never leave the man I love to go with a man who has money. I'm not that kind of selfish person.

You all seem to be forgetting that this man is racially aware. He's the one who taught her everything she knows about politics and world issues, and he seems to have taught her well.

So she'll go out and find herself a wealthy patriotard or liberal and have five children with him. But you know what? I'd rather see a racially aware couple bring just one strong and conscious Aryan child into this woebegone world than a couple of Kwanadians bring ten guppies.

Give him a chance. He's doing a good job so far. He's managed to take an attractive young woman (she posted her pics once) and transform her into an ideal that most of us are looking for.

Thank you Bassanio it really breaks my heart so much when people talk bad about my boyfriend. So many people in my life try to tear me apart from him and it really does hurt me so bad.

You also all seem to be forgetting that he is only 22 and never got any handouts in life.

If we end up living in a trailer and have 12 children, we will be far more successful than the rich couple who only has one or two.

He is far from being anywhere near lazy. He has had hard times financially, went through things that would probably kill a lot of people. He didn't actually spend that much money on the credit card, but the interest was incredibly high. It was the fault of jew usury, and now we are slaves to the jew dollar. He works really, really hard to take care of his girl. So stop being mean.

Student loans cannot be dissolved through a Bankruptcy in Canada for a minimum of 7 years. That means you can begin trying to get out of your student loan seven years from now, and by then, they might change the law so that you can never get out of it, like the way it is now in the USA. In the USA you cannot discharge studen loans. Canada always follows the USA.

Bankruptcy is for people who have assets to protect.

You both have no significant assets. Filing bankruptcy will just put you in more debt, this time to your bankruptcy lawyer who will eventually tell you that you don't have a case.

What will happen is your creditors will file a lawsuit in court and get a judgment against you and your boyfriend and they will take your wages directly from your Employer before they give the rest of the paycheck to you. If your employer does not comply, they will arrest him and put him in prison.

You both will never be able to own any property, because the lawyers will be notified and they will file a lien against any property you have in your name to get back the money you owe them.

That's why your boyfriend want's to start a lawn mowing service like Mexicans do, because its cash under the table that the judge cant get at so easy. But if they wanted to they could hire a private investigator to follow him around and note his business activity and possibly arrest him for tax evasion since he has to have a business license to operate and he has to collect and report sales tax to the city.

I don't have a student loan. I was living with my father during university. I wasn't eligible for a student loan because my father is too rich. My loan is with the bank.

Also this guy Duke Mitchell just has negative things to say all the time because he hates Italians. He has sent me so many messages about how I should leave my boyfriend for a Nordic type male. And after posting this thread, he said that I should leave my boyfriend and come live with him in CALIFORNIA!

I am planning a future with my BOYFRIEND, not alone. I am not selfish, I do not think only for my own needs. He and I will have a family and that is what we are trying to achieve. I would never be racially aware if not for him. I wouldn't even be alive right now if not for him! How so many people think that I am capable of such a betrayl to leave him for a man with more money. It is crazy! I am not evil.

Re: Lauren

Have you made specific, realistic and deadlined time goals for yourself? Has your boyfriend? What about spiritual, financial, physical, mental, and social goals? If your only working part-time (20 to 30 hours) what are you doing in the rest of that time? Taking some classes like at a Work Training Program or Center can help, it has for a friend of mine. Another friend also sees his girlfriend only on weekends, since he works ( Great paying job with benefits.) and lives two and a half hours away from her. You two will have to make some sacrifices at first. Oh Ze Hate has some really good advise also, in the first page of this thread. (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1047601&postcount=9) What ever you do, refuse to give up on what you believe, it will save you in the long run. Both of you need to sit down and make some serious plans today, tomorrow is too late for any then.:)

I don't have a student loan. I was living with my father during university. I wasn't eligible for a student loan because my father is too rich. My loan is with the bank.


Doesn't really make a significant amount of difference. People think they can declare bankruptcy and get out of their obligations, but that is not true. If you have an income, the bankruptcy judge will not let you dissolve the debt you owe to the bank. You are on the hook for it. If you stop paying and it falls on your father, they will still destroy your credit and you wont even be able to rent an apartment outside of the ghetto. When they file the lawsuit against you for nonpayment, you will also be responsible for their lawyer fee's on top of the debt you already owe.

Re: Lauren

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This is a short book based on an unconventional way of thinking. Most books on personal finance run somewhere between two and three hundred pages in length. I've read a lot of them and there's only just so much that you're going to get from just one book, so what the authors tend to do is fill it up the pages with a bunch of stuff that really doesn't benefit the reader. This book is very condensed. Everything that's in it is something that the reader will find helpful. Whether it's about saving money, starting a garden, writing a budget, becoming politically active or running for office, everything's in there in a condensed form and it's powerful.

One of the book's main goals is to show people how to become more fiscally disciplined, so that they're not as dependent on the system -- because I think that's one thing that holds many great people back from becoming politically active. They know that if they become active -- if their name appears in the newspaper or they appear on television or speak on the radio -- that they'll lose their job. So many people who could give so much to our cause let that hold them back; that's what needs to stop. At the very least it should give them a good foundation of knowledge about how to write a budget and start budgeting their money. That's the most important aspect of personal finance, but fiscally disciplining oneself to follow a budget is the hard part. People these days are caught up in "buy now, pay later" mentality and they don't realize how detrimental it is to their financial well-being. Besides the information on writing a budget and sticking to it, the book has a lot of other ideas and tips, not only about how to save money and about generating extra income, but also there's an entire section on becoming politically active.

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I am looking at our groceries and trying to find ways to cut costs. I am trying to argue that we should get the cheapest brand of everything. My boyfriend says no and that the cheap brands have less nutrition. I say to him that if we save money now, one day we may be able to grow our own food for our CHILDREN and give them the best nutrition of all! He says I won't have healthy pregnancies if I don't get good nutrition.

My goal now is to decrease our grocery cost by $100 a month. I aim for my groceries to cost $25 a week and his $75 a week. I will now list our typical grocery list. This costs us about $500 a month. I would like to cut it down to $400 a month. Any advice would be appreciated. What can I cut down on? Is there anything good I can substitute for something else? Other random advice? Thanks.

Fruit (apples, oranges, bananas)
Vegetables (tomatoes, peppers, broccolli, cucumber, carrot, zucchini, eggplant, radishes)
Soup ingredients (veggies, olive oil, garlic, onion, bullion cubes)
Oats
Pasta
Eggs
Lentils
Protein powder/protein bars
Vitamins (calcium and vitamin D because I am lactose intolerant and can have very little dairy, and glucosamin because I have bad joints)
Red meat
Potatoes
Yoghurt
Cheese
Seasonings (oregano, parsley, basil, chives, lemon juice, garlic, onion)
Fish (canned tuna usually)
Bread
Risotto
Sweet potatoes
Skim milk
Nuts
Soap
Moisturizer
Shampoo and conditioner
Toilet paper
Paper towel
Cleaners, dish liquid, sponges, laundry detergent, etc

Protein powder (dessicated whey) is an industrial waste product from milk production that Joe Weider has made a fortune on turning it from a product the milk industry used to have to pay to dispose of into a top dollar, brightly packaged and heavily advertised product that people actually (falsely) believe is worth the money.

It is also terrible nutritional wise in addition to being over-priced.

I am trying to argue that we should get the cheapest brand of everything. My boyfriend says no and that the cheap brands have less nutrition.

There is no "magic" nutrients in name brand food. Their wheat/corn/whatever all comes from the same field that the store brands come from. You are paying for brand advertising.

Doesn't really make a significant amount of difference. People think they can declare bankruptcy and get out of their obligations, but that is not true. If you have an income, the bankruptcy judge will not let you dissolve the debt you owe to the bank. You are on the hook for it. If you stop paying and it falls on your father, they will still destroy your credit and you wont even be able to rent an apartment outside of the ghetto. When they file the lawsuit against you for nonpayment, you will also be responsible for their lawyer fee's on top of the debt you already owe.

Ok then, Sir, what would YOU do if you were in my boyfriend's position.

Protein powder (dessicated whey) is an industrial waste product from milk production that Joe Weider has made a fortune on turning it from a product the milk industry used to have to pay to dispose of into a top dollar, brightly packaged and heavily advertised product that people actually (falsely) believe is worth the money.

It is also terrible nutritional wise in addition to being over-priced.



There is no "magic" nutrients in name brand food. Their wheat/corn/whatever all comes from the same field that the store brands come from. You are paying for brand advertising.

You are actually completely right.
According to my calculations we could save $30 a month by cutting the protein powder and an additional $60 by cutting the protein bars. We each eat a protein bar every day. We could try to find cheaper sources for extra protein - but where?

Ok then, Sir, what would YOU do if you were in my boyfriend's position.

Dump you because you talk too much and are annoying.

Protein powder (dessicated whey) is an industrial waste product from milk production that Joe Weider has made a fortune on turning it from a product the milk industry used to have to pay to dispose of into a top dollar, brightly packaged and heavily advertised product that people actually (falsely) believe is worth the money.

It is also terrible nutritional wise in addition to being over-priced.



There is no "magic" nutrients in name brand food. Their wheat/corn/whatever all comes from the same field that the store brands come from. You are paying for brand advertising.

You are actually completely right. According to my calculations we could save $30 a month by cutting the protein powder and an additional $60 by cutting the protein bars. We each eat a protein bar every day. We could try to find cheaper sources for extra protein - but where?

Also this guy Duke Mitchell just has negative things to say all the time because he hates Italians. He has sent me so many messages about how I should leave my boyfriend for a Nordic type male. And after posting this thread, he said that I should leave my boyfriend and come live with him in CALIFORNIA!

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wow, inviting a beautiful young vulnerable girl who is in bad monetary straights to leave her impoverished boyfriend and come live with you..

that is really low.

that's like, almost as low as I would go if she were a he and turned to me for advice. :D

You are actually completely right. According to my calculations we could save $30 a month by cutting the protein powder and an additional $60 by cutting the protein bars. We each eat a protein bar every day. We could try to find cheaper sources for extra protein - but where?

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Together we eat 36 eggs a week already, LOL

wow, inviting a beautiful young vulnerable girl who is in bad monetary straights to leave her impoverished boyfriend and come live with you..

that is really low.

that's like, almost as low as I would go if she were a he and turned to me for advice. :D

Yeah, it is really low, because the intentions behind it are obvious.
I don't know why people call me beautiful, my damn face was blurred out in the photographs I posted - YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE MY FACE.
I could be a monster for all you know.

Ok then, Sir, what would YOU do if you were in my boyfriend's position.

I was in your boyfriend's position, 15 years ago. I tried keeping a girlfriend and starting a family, but I figured out after a lot of trouble that it just isn't natural for a young man to be doing that in his early 20's. The 20's are the time when a young man makes his mistakes and learns about life, gains experience on his own.

Young women are not fit for young men. When he pays his dues for a decade, then he can have a young woman to make his wife. That's just how it goes.

If I was in your boyfriends position, I would sleep on a friends couch and work all my waking hours to make as much money as I could over 10 years so I could move away from the city with a nice chunk of change.

Yeah, it is really low, because the intentions behind it are obvious.
I don't know why people call me beautiful, my damn face was blurred out in the photographs I posted - YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE MY FACE.
I could be a monster for all you know.

You could also be an imposter.

Didn't I read somewhere you saying it's ok for men to hit women? If true, you would be the first woman in history to say such a thing.

Yeah, it is really low, because the intentions behind it are obvious.
I don't know why people call me beautiful, my damn face was blurred out in the photographs I posted - YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE MY FACE.
I could be a monster for all you know.

There has been a solution for that problem for some time now. :D

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/01/0122_shia_flynet.jpg

You could also be an imposter.

Didn't I read somewhere you saying it's ok for men to hit women? If true, you would be the first woman in history to say such a thing.

I do think its ok for men to hit women. That's why I get banned everywhere.

PLEASE DON'T turn this thread into a discussion about this. I am truly grateful for everyone who has given me advice, I have thought up budgets and plans for us to be able to save $800 a month, please don't turn my thread into a fight.

I do think its ok for men to hit women. That's why I get banned everywhere.

Well, I don't think the penalties for hitting women should be any worse than hitting men and certainly many women need a good bitch slapping but if a guy is in a relationship with a female and it's reaching a point where he's thinking about clocking the bitch then it's time to get a new woman.

You're spending 900 a month on rent? For two people? In Canada? What are you living in? That seems way high to me. As does 500/month in food. You should be able to cut large chunks out of those expenses.
For real, here's my current place of residence - I mostly sleep and vomit here.

http://www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/wp-content/j/park%20bench%20old.jpg

Cost : 0 dollars, occasional trouble with the kwaps.

And here's what I eat-
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Cost - minimal, I work at the place.

Well, I don't think the penalties for hitting women should be any worse than hitting men and certainly many women need a good bitch slapping but if a guy is in a relationship with a female and it's reaching a point where he's thinking about clocking the bitch then it's time to get a new woman.

yeah he shouldn't be hitting your pretty face. I think she means he takes her over his knee and spanks her. if she's been a naughty girl.

srsly lauren if he does lose his temper and beat you a lot you should stay away from him.

Please don't turn this thread into a joke. Take it somewhere else, let me use this for my serious conversations.

Well, I don't think the penalties for hitting women should be any worse than hitting men and certainly many women need a good bitch slapping but if a guy is in a relationship with a female and it's reaching a point where he's thinking about clocking the bitch then it's time to get a new woman.

He has only hit me once before, for being stupid. It isn't really any different from hitting your child. Would you hit your child if they were bad?

He has only hit me once before, for being stupid. It isn't really any different from hitting your child. Would you hit your child if they were bad?

spank, yes. if really bad even maybe a belt (if a teenager). hit? no.

He has only hit me once before, for being stupid. It isn't really any different from hitting your child. Would you hit your child if they were bad?

Define "being stupid".

Well, we both grew up in traditional families who always thought that was ok. My grandmother had no problem giving me a smack in the face if I was cheeky or mouthy. I think that's a better way to punish your child/wife than playing mind games with them. What I don't understand is why physical pain and mild violence is so extremely taboo. For some reason it's considered the most taboo thing I believe in.

Define "being stupid".

Burning his food by not paying attention. It was really stupid.

I was in your boyfriend's position, 15 years ago. I tried keeping a girlfriend and starting a family, but I figured out after a lot of trouble that it just isn't natural for a young man to be doing that in his early 20's. The 20's are the time when a young man makes his mistakes and learns about life, gains experience on his own.

Young women are not fit for young men. When he pays his dues for a decade, then he can have a young woman to make his wife. That's just how it goes.

If I was in your boyfriends position, I would sleep on a friends couch and work all my waking hours to make as much money as I could over 10 years so I could move away from the city with a nice chunk of change.

Well he isn't going to give up on me and I'm not going to give up on him. He is the one who made me racially aware, remember. How would you feel if you tried so hard to change someone's life and then they ran away from you?

Well he isn't going to give up on me and I'm not going to give up on him. He is the one who made me racially aware, remember. How would you feel if you tried so hard to change someone's life and then they ran away from you?


Actually he kind of messed up your life by yanking you out of school without a plan of his own on how to survive outside of the system.

I know how to survive outside of the system, but your boyfriend doesn't have a clue.

Now you are considering selling your looks/body to survive. Bad..bad...bad.

I'm not going to break up with my boyfriend no matter what anybody over the internet says.
I'm not going to think that it's wrong for men to hit women no matter what anybody over the internet says.
Please stop going off track, and if you want to go off track, create a new thread.
I really just want advice and help in working out my life plans, some people contributed really good advice that helped me a lot. People like Bassanio and others understand where I'm coming from.

Well, we both grew up in traditional families who always thought that was ok. My grandmother had no problem giving me a smack in the face if I was cheeky or mouthy.

In my humble opinion hitting women is stupid. Not because it's morally wrong or can get you in a lot of trouble with law enforcement but because it's counter productive. Nothing positive is accomplished. All it does is turn what might be a decent woman into a submissive whipped dog with two black eyes. And women cowering in fear and shame are sooo boring.


I think that's a better way to punish your child/wife than playing mind games with them. What I don't understand is why physical pain and mild violence is so extremely taboo. For some reason it's considered the most taboo thing I believe in.

Parent/child relationships are not the same as man/wife relationships. If an adult female is being treated as a child then somethings way wrong. Women are not children(although they act like children sometimes) and shouldn't be treated as such. A firm guiding hand with mutual respect is the Aryan way. Not stomping them into submission like the nogs and spics do.

Burning his food by not paying attention. It was really stupid.

Your bf hit you for burning his food and you accept that as being ok?

In my humble opinion hitting women is stupid. Not because it's morally wrong or can get you in a lot of trouble with law enforcement but because it's counter productive. Nothing positive is accomplished. All it does is turn what might be a decent woman into a submissive whipped dog with two black eyes. And women cowering in fear and shame are sooo boring.




Parent/child relationships are not the same as man/wife relationships. If an adult female is being treated as a child then somethings way wrong. Women are not children(although they act like children sometimes) and shouldn't be treated as such. A firm guiding hand with mutual respect is the Aryan way. Not stomping them into submission like the nogs and spics do.

Smacking somebody in the face doesn't give them a black eye or make them cower in fear and shame. Women need to stop overreacting to tiny little reprimands that hardly hurt and do little more than prove a point.
The women who bitch about this shit probably have men who play mind games with them, have arguments, get the silent treatment, etc.
A firm guiding hand with respect is exactly what I have. When I do something dumb, that hand gives me a reprimand. I would much rather that than have arguments. I understand who is boss, and I have structure and guidance in my life to improve myself.
Please make a new thread or PM me if you want to discuss this more.

Your bf hit you for burning his food and you accept that as being ok?

Yes because that's me failing my role.

Please don't turn this thread into a joke. Take it somewhere else, let me use this for my serious conversations.

What? I am being serious, I am laying on the bench right now leeching of the local uni's wifi.

Burning his food by not paying attention. It was really stupid.

I see a life inside a trailer in your near future.

I'm not going to break up with my boyfriend no matter what anybody over the internet says.
I'm not going to think that it's wrong for men to hit women no matter what anybody over the internet says.
Please stop going off track, and if you want to go off track, create a new thread.
I really just want advice and help in working out my life plans, some people contributed really good advice that helped me a lot. People like Bassanio and others understand where I'm coming from.

I lub him no mattah wut.

Yes because that's me failing my role.

The only thing that would get me riled up enough to hit a female is if she was two timing me or stealing from me and even then I still wouldn't do it, id just get a new woman.

Well, I don't think the penalties for hitting women should be any worse than hitting men and certainly many women need a good bitch slapping but if a guy is in a relationship with a female and it's reaching a point where he's thinking about clocking the bitch then it's time to get a new woman.

In normal circumstances I'd be against that but my brother has been fucked over so bad in divorce proceedings and child support I'm glad he doesn't have a gun.

The only thing that would get me riled up enough to hit a female is if she was two timing me or stealing from me and even then I still wouldn't do it, id just get a new woman.

It isn't about him getting "riled up."
It's about him teaching me what's good and what's bad.

Can you please stop with the infighting.
I only posted a thread for advice about my future and how it relates to financial matters.
I am trying to bring more white children into the world.
Asking for advice about that shouldn't turn people against me in moral outrage. If you don't think it's ok to hit a woman, then don't hit your woman. Plain and simple. That's easy.

It isn't about him getting "riled up."
It's about him teaching me what's good and what's bad.

Lol, you're so full of shit "Lauren".

It isn't about him getting "riled up."
It's about him teaching me what's good and what's bad.


He's trying to make an Italian momma out of a ditzy blonde.

You're boyfriend has a lot of flawed reasoning from what you have been telling us.

Lauren, perhaps you ought to calm all of these skeptics down by taking a photo of yourself with an apple in one hand and a spoon in the other.

Edit:

And don't listen to them. Perhaps women didn't need to be slapped back a 100 years ago when they understood their inferiority well and good, but nowadays I strongly believe that most women need a good slapping (or the old in out, real savage) from time to time, just to cleanse their minds of any crazy judeo-agitprop that might have accumulated over time and to remind them where they stand in the circle of life.

Lauren, perhaps you ought to calm all of these skeptics down by taking a photo of yourself with an apple in one hand and a spoon in the other.

Wtf is wrong with you? You forgot the topless part.

He's trying to make an Italian momma out of a ditzy blonde.

You're boyfriend has a lot of flawed reasoning from what you have been telling us.

on some of lauren's earliest posts she intimated that she kind of gets off on the whole dominance/submission corporal punishment/bondage thing. I think she found a guy who satisfies this fetish.

on some of lauren's earliest posts she intimated that she kind of gets off on the whole dominance/submission corporal punishment/bondage thing. I think she found a guy who satisfies this fetish.

Well if it's a sex fetish thing why the hell didn't she say so in the first place. That I have no problem with. :D

I see a life inside a trailer in your near future.

That's a traditional jew insult.

Didn't you just admit to being homeless?

That's a traditional jew insult.

It wasn't an insult, weren't you aware that I am a seer?


Didn't you just admit to being homeless?

Homeless? I am just living smart like our great leader Mao Zhe Do...er Alex Linder , recommended.

Well if it's a sex fetish thing why the hell didn't she say so in the first place. That I have no problem with. :D

steve, will you do me a favor? call me a dirty slutty whore, please? I was real naughty today and I need you to put me in my place. :D

It wasn't an insult, weren't you aware that I am a seer?



Homeless? I am just living smart like our great leader Mao Zhe Do...er Alex Linder , recommended.

hey psychshock, get sandor back posting. I need someone of his caliber to insult me, quick. I need it bad.

I don't have any sexual fetishes. I live with traditional gender roles.

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/?action=view&current=applespoon.jpg

damn it got quiet in here all of a sudden. :confused:

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/?action=view&current=applespoon.jpg

hey psychshock, get sandor back posting. I need someone of his caliber to insult me, quick. I need it bad.

Hi girly man,
if you weren't aware of it Sandor is me , I have a split personality.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/applespoon.jpg

I don't have any sexual fetishes. I live with traditional gender roles.

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/?action=view&current=applespoon.jpg

oh, my bad. I should be punished for saying you did. I'm a real jerk. I'm a dick, huh? if you had me by the balls you'd surely be crushing them in your lil hand right now, huh? :D

everyone is so mean

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/applespoon.jpg

ok your hair and arms are turning me on bigtime. (note: I can say that and be non-threatening cause I'm gay.)

There you go, guys. Lauren may sound too good to be true, but she's the real deal (unless that's an FBI agent in a blonde wig).

Hi girly man,
if you weren't aware of it Sandor is me , I have a split personality.


yeah so I heard, manly man. :D

ok your hair and arms are turning me on bigtime. (note: I can say that and be non-threatening cause I'm gay.)

What about my snoopy pajamas?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/applespoon.jpg

This proves nothing. For all we know yer some skinny gay guy who put on a wig and a dress, blacked out your bearded face and then took a photo with an apple in yer hand.

What about my snoopy pajamas?

yeah, I'd like to snoop around in those. black is soo sexy on girls.

I don't have any sexual fetishes. I live with traditional gender roles.

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh77/missymukluk/?action=view&current=applespoon.jpg

BORING!

There you go, guys. Lauren may sound too good to be true, but she's the real deal (unless that's an FBI agent in a blonde wig).

Exzactly!

There you go, guys. Lauren may sound too good to be true, but she's the real deal (unless that's an FBI agent in a blonde wig).

Aw thanks you're so sweet.
And you really did give good advice to me.
I talked to my boyfriend on the phone on his break at work and he says that if I get a second job and if I can cut down our grocery costs by $100, we can save $800 a month. Add that to relatives birthday/christmas presents, and income tax refunds, and we could save $10,000 in one year!
I wish everyone would stop being mean to me. Still I am not allowed to show my face. Here in Canada people like Terry Tremaine are going to jail for posting on these kind of websites. I don't want anything bad to happen to me.

yeah, I'd like to snoop around in those. black is soo sexy on girls.

It's not black its navy blue.

Aw thanks you're so sweet.
And you really did give good advice to me.
I talked to my boyfriend on the phone on his break at work and he says that if I get a second job and if I can cut down our grocery costs by $100, we can save $800 a month. Add that to relatives birthday/christmas presents, and income tax refunds, and we could save $10,000 in one year!
I wish everyone would stop being mean to me. Still I am not allowed to show my face. Here in Canada people like Terry Tremaine are going to jail for posting on these kind of websites. I don't want anything bad to happen to me.

But that's not what we (i.e I ) want

yeah, I'd like to snoop around in those. black is soo sexy on girls.

Witzfag turning straight, Hell must be frozen.

oh, my bad. I should be punished for saying you did. I'm a real jerk. I'm a dick, huh? if you had me by the balls you'd surely be crushing them in your lil hand right now, huh? :D

Why do you even post here you attention whore loser-fag? Get a life beyond spreading your aids infected thoughts on vnn. Could it be you have no life because you are an embarrassment to everyone who knows you? Is that why you spend all day posting on a forum you dont even agree with?

I wonder what was running through your dads head when he realized he was never going to have a man as a son?

Why do you even post here you attention whore loser-fag? Get a life beyond spreading your aids infected thoughts on vnn. Could it be you have no life because you are an embarrassment to everyone who knows you? Is that why you spend all day posting on a forum you dont even agree with?

I wonder what was running through your dads head when he realized he was never going to have a man as a son?

ohh god yes, yes. thank you sir, I am an attention whore loser, I'm not worthy to lick the soles of your ...unghhhh.. feet. I have no ..oohmmm.. no life outside vnn.

Lauren,

You seem to be at the receiving end of some mean comments. I am sorry about that. You thought you would find friendship and good advice from fellow racialists and all you get is insulted.

I have some thoughts as a woman. I agree with Elizabeth that you need to think on what you would do if something happen to your boyfriend. What skills do you have to provide for your future children if something were to happen. I know you don't want to go to college, but you might want to talk to your boyfriend about you going to college and getting a degree in early childhood education. You could once you graduate work at a preschool and start working to open up a preschool in your home and still be there with the children.

Please don't work at hooters are a bar even though you think the money is good. You would be better working as a nanny and getting experience working with young children. You can work for a couple that is very generous. When I was a nanny I was treated very well.

As a young White women you need to respect yourself. A good name is very important. Once you loose that you will never get that back. Also working at Hooters your boyfriend is likely to get jealous and it will cause problems in the relationship. You will be meeting and flirting with other men in order to get the higher tips. I just don't think it is a good life or a future that you want. I would hate to see you put the strain on a good relationship.

You are both young. It is normal for a young couple to start out poor and having to build their life together. You have a couple of years to build a nest egg to start your family. If he has to work two jobs than let him work two jobs. A real man is going to be willing to work an extra job to save money to provide for his family. You are young and if you got a job working as a nanny and going to school to get a degree in early childhood education so you could first work at a preschool and then in a few years when you start having children of your own can start your own daycare. You will have the education you need so that other mothers will trust you with their children. In order for other mothers to trust you with their children they have to know that you are qualified to be a good caregiver to their children.

You also know how to work with horses. You could look about teaching riding lessons to young children. I did that with my horse. I taught them how to walk, trot and canter. You could put an ad in the paper and someone who has just gotten a horse for their child who doesn't really know how to ride would hire you to come to their house and give riding lessons to their child. You could also work with difficult horses. There are ways to make a living working with horses.

I would hate to see you take a job at Hooters.

Good luck to both of you. You are a good women who loves her man uncondtionally. I wish you the best.

RE: Witzgal

yawn... sick of you fagging up "How to live White" .. you obviously don't know how to act white. so you can take a little break. You add nothing of value to this thread, or to the entire forum anyway

later fag

RE: Witzgal

yawn... sick of you fagging up "How to live White" .. you obviously don't know how to act white. so you can take a little break. You add nothing of value to this thread, or to the entire forum anyway

later fag

I doubt if Witzgal was even queer. More likely an anti with too much time on his hands lurking around and getting his shits and grins "fucking with the racists" by pretending to be gay.

Other than being mildly annoying I never had a problem with him. I get a lot more flack from VNN's "talk show hosts" than I ever got from Witzgal.

That's what life insurance is for.
Yeah, try making that last. lol. How much life insurance is he going to get considering he doesn't have a stable job? Enough to support 5 kids, a wife, pay the mortgage and all the bills, for upwards of 10+ years maybe?
Not biologically.
I could argue that, but I won't. Women's fertility peaks at 24, but it doesn't begin to decine significantly until after 30. Up to 35, risks of complications are low. So biologically, there's nothing wrong with 25-35 or even beyond. My grandmother had 9 kids from the time she was 24, to 41. This was in the 50's and 60's, and they all were healthy children. A lot of people on this forum respect the Duggar woman, she started at 22 and at 42 she is on her 19th baby. I think they were all healthy. I'm just saying, it definitely wouldn't be hard to fit 5 kids in before you're less fertile even if you start in your mid-twenties.

Anyway I'm not so sure to think about Lauren now. I tried to give good advice since I'm kind of in the situation. But she ignores that to post pictures of herself and wonder about "a cheap source of protein". Any woman who says that know what she's doing and the attention it will bring lol.

I wonder if her boyfriend minds her talking about that online, or taking photos for guys on a public forum.

Oh well, I still wish her well.

Yeah, try making that last. lol. How much life insurance is he going to get considering he doesn't have a stable job? Enough to support 5 kids, a wife, pay the mortgage and all the bills, for upwards of 10+ years maybe?

I could argue that, but I won't. Women's fertility peaks at 24, but it doesn't begin to decine significantly until after 30. Up to 35, risks of complications are low. So biologically, there's nothing wrong with 25-35 or even beyond. My grandmother had 9 kids from the time she was 24, to 41. This was in the 50's and 60's, and they all were healthy children. A lot of people on this forum respect the Duggar woman, she started at 22 and at 42 she is on her 19th baby. I think they were all healthy. I'm just saying, it definitely wouldn't be hard to fit 5 kids in before you're less fertile even if you start in your mid-twenties.

Anyway I'm not so sure to think about Lauren now. I tried to give good advice since I'm kind of in the situation. But she ignores that to post pictures of herself and wonder about "a cheap source of protein". Any woman who says that know what she's doing and the attention it will bring lol.

I wonder if her boyfriend minds her talking about that online, or taking photos for guys on a public forum.

Oh well, I still wish her well.

Ugh, I kind of have to post those pictures because I get people saying that I am a man, not a woman, pretending to be somebody I'm not. And what are you talking about with the protein thing? What's wrong with that? I need to decrease my grocery cost... What's wrong with asking about that?

But she ignores that to post pictures of herself and wonder about "a cheap source of protein".

The photo was my idea. As for the "cheap source of protein", I can see what's on your liberated, morally abject mind. And the judenpresse claims that men only think about sex.


Lauren,

I'd suggest to stop buying protein bars. They aren't healthy and they're way overpriced.

As for whey, it's great and I take it with milk all the time. Just make sure not to buy it at some overpriced nutrition store like GNC. Optimum Nutritution makes the best and cheapest whey. You can get a 10-pound bag at bodybuilding.com for just $80US + shipping (about $20US). If you were to consume one scoop per day and your boyfriend two, the bag would last you three months. In that case the cost per month would be a paltry $35CDN.

Go for the chocolate flavour. It's delicious.

[Quote]What needs to be done in my situation is:

A. Boyfriend needs to stop being stupidly optimistic - it will be a lot harder to achieve all this than he thinks
B. We should BOTH take up second jobs on the side - to get the money now is more important than making sure my cooking and cleaning are perfect right now - I can do all those stepford wife things when I am actually able to be a stay at home mother
C. I need to get a second job as either a Hooters girl (big bucks) or a nanny (valuable experience)
D. We need to make a better budget and keep track of finances very strictly
E. My boyfriend needs to plan out his goals and his future better (I have a notebook where I plan these things out for myself in a very well-organized manner. He does not, he just keeps track of it in his head.)
F. My boyfriend needs to declare bankruptcy.
G. I need to declare bankruptcy. I just need to get the courage to do it. I am so poor, and my father makes $300,000 a year and doesn't share. He even makes me pay for my own supper when he wants to go out and do something together. I should not feel bad for dropping $15,000 of my debt onto him. But I do feel bad, I can't help it.
H. My ultimate goal is to be a great wife to my man and an amazing mother to my children. I WILL stay home, I WILL NOT give in and have a career. I may need to make sacrifices, my life may have to be a living hell before I can get there, but I can get there. I may need to exercise horses in the mornings, and babysit some other kids in my own home while I am a housewife. I want to homeschool my children - perhaps other Canadians would be interested in homeschooling as well, yet they don't have the time to invest in it. That could be another option for me.


Seems you have answered your own question. (well minus the Hooter girl option)


P.S. On a side note (no need to respond to it with emotional drama filled posts) ANY man who hits a woman who burns dinner is a fucking piece of shit. NO that it isnt teaching you right from wrong thats simply showing pure ignorance, considering accidents happen!

RE: Witzgal

yawn... sick of you fagging up "How to live White" .. you obviously don't know how to act white. so you can take a little break. You add nothing of value to this thread, or to the entire forum anyway

later fag

Thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Another thank you coming your way Varg.

Don't get too excited it was only for 3days.. it expires tomorrow i think. Maybe he'll learn a lesson? i'm starting to think hes not even gay..I think its an old banned member who is trying to troll

Yeah, try making that last. lol. How much life insurance is he going to get considering he doesn't have a stable job? Enough to support 5 kids, a wife, pay the mortgage and all the bills, for upwards of 10+ years maybe?

If her boyfriend doesn't straighten out the point is moot. If he does support her she should concentrate on being a good mother rather than making a halfhearted attempt to develop a backup career in case her partner dies. That's feminist thinking, and it's killing our race.

The photo was my idea. As for the "cheap source of protein", I can see what's on your liberated, morally abject mind. And the judenpresse claims that men only think about sex.


Lauren,

I'd suggest to stop buying protein bars. They aren't healthy and they're way overpriced.

As for whey, it's great and I take it with milk all the time. Just make sure not to buy it at some overpriced nutrition store like GNC. Optimum Nutritution makes the best and cheapest whey. You can get a 10-pound bag at bodybuilding.com for just $80US + shipping (about $20US). If you were to consume one scoop per day and your boyfriend two, the bag would last you three months. In that case the cost per month would be a paltry $35CDN.

Go for the chocolate flavour. It's delicious.

I may quit buying both the bars and the powder, just to save money.

If her boyfriend doesn't straighten out the point is moot. If he does support her she should concentrate on being a good mother rather than making a halfhearted attempt to develop a backup career in case her partner dies. That's feminist thinking, and it's killing our race.

My boyfriend has told me that if he dies or goes to jail for an extended period he wants me to go find somebody new. He says that if I advertised myself as available, even if I already had borne children for him, I would easily be able to meet a white nationalist man. I am confident that I would have a lot to offer to somebody in return for them taking care of me. He said it would be hard for him to think of me with somebody else, but that he wouldn't consider it a betrayal at all. He said that he would rather me find a racially aware man who would honor him by being a male authority to his children, and give me more children to increase our race's population.

My boyfriend has told me that if he dies or goes to jail for an extended period he wants me to go find somebody new. He says that if I advertised myself as available, even if I already had borne children for him, I would easily be able to meet a white nationalist man. I am confident that I would have a lot to offer to somebody in return for them taking care of me.

Well, the one thing you do have going for you is the ability to take a good punch. That's always a plus.

Well, the one thing you do have going for you is the ability to take a good punch. That's always a plus.

I've never been punched in my face in my entire life. What are you talking about.

That was indeed a SUPERLONG OP! Too bad you don't get paid for writing them, eh?:(

I've never been punched in my face in my entire life. What are you talking about.

Don't you get bitched slapped for burning yer bf's food?

Don't you get bitched slapped for burning yer bf's food?

Punch and slap are different things.

Punch and slap are different things.

Ah, I see. So burning food warrants a slap. What happens if you wreck the car....broken jaw? Straight razor slice to the cheek?

I'm so sick of people being mean to me for no reason. At least that Kelly girl is gone.

I'm so sick of people being mean to me for no reason. At least that Kelly girl is gone.

Yeah, I guess you're proud of your part in that, eh?

Yeah, I guess you're proud of your part in that, eh?

Stop turning my pages asking for advice into pointing fingers at me for no reason. How many children do you have? What have you contributed? I guarantee you I'll have more children than you. All I did was ask for advice, is that a crime?

Yeah, I guess you're proud of your part in that, eh?

I had no part in it, she outdid herself by stealing a photograph of somebody over the internet and saying it was her.

I had no part in it, she outdid herself by stealing a photograph of somebody over the internet and saying it was her.

Yeah, Kelly was a freak who used fake pics herself.

Lauren, I really do wish you the best. I think you'll figure it out. And don't worry so much about people being mean, or calling you a boy, or any of that. It has happened to like every girl here. It's just the internet, people say things on here they never would would say in real life. You're a pretty girl, and smart, so don't let it get to you.

BTW, it's not feminist to have a back-up plan. I am totally alone right now, and supporting myself. So I know it's possible to be completely on your own. It's naive to think it could never happen, even though to most it won't. But it wouldn't hurt Lauren to think what she should do in a situation like that, especially since her boyfriend is not really stable ATM and she's not close with her family.

Yeah, Kelly was a freak who used fake pics herself.

Lauren, I really do wish you the best. I think you'll figure it out. And don't worry so much about people being mean, or calling you a boy, or any of that. It has happened to like every girl here. It's just the internet, people say things on here they never would would say in real life. You're a pretty girl, and smart, so don't let it get to you.

BTW, it's not feminist to have a back-up plan. I am totally alone right now, and supporting myself. So I know it's possible to be completely on your own. It's naive to think it could never happen, even though to most it won't. But it wouldn't hurt Lauren to think what she should do in a situation like that, especially since her boyfriend is not really stable ATM and she's not close with her family.

Thanks for sticking up for me, if I disagree with you about things its just that - a disagreement - I still have nothing against you. I don't have a thick skin and I take things to heart easily when people are being mean to me. It must be hard to be on your own. I'm sure that you could find a good man if you wanted to. I wish you the best.

Yo Steve, you're a damn pussy man. When my bitch doesn't bring me breakfast at 9:00:00 FLAT I throw her out the window (My room is on the 3rd floor over some poison ivy). If the kids are crying I smash her face into the wall. If she burns my food I do as Lauren's stud, I fucking slap the shit out of her man. If I see her watching some nigger shit on TV I drag her around by the hair like a cave man and if she dares to break or put a scratch on my fucking porcelain or AK's I fucking give her a beat down and then throw her in the basement to play with my bear Boris.

Lauren, are you going to the next CAFE meeting?

Lauren, are you going to the next CAFE meeting?

On September 27th, if I am not working that day. My boyfriend is going 100% for sure. Me, depends on my work schedule.

Yo Steve, you're a damn pussy man. When my bitch doesn't bring me breakfast at 9:00:00 FLAT I throw her out the window (My room is on the 3rd floor over some poison ivy). If the kids are crying I smash her face into the wall. If she burns my food I do as Lauren's stud, I fucking slap the shit out of her man. If I see her watching some nigger shit on TV I drag her around by the hair like a cave man and if she dares to break or put a scratch on my fucking porcelain or AK's I fucking give her a beat down and then throw her in the basement to play with my bear Boris.

Hmm there isn't any stereotypical woman abuse stuff in my relationship. It is a very happy and loving relationship day in day out. If I do something wrong I'm reprimanded and then it's forgotten about. I know my place, I follow his rules, and I accept discipline.

Hmm there isn't any stereotypical woman abuse stuff in my relationship. It is a very happy and loving relationship day in day out. If I do something wrong I'm reprimanded and then it's forgotten about. I know my place, I follow his rules, and I accept discipline.

You don't need to follow any loser by a leash. If he can't make decent wages then he is a loser. Only the strongest most intelligent will survive and prosper. Your man doesn't sound like either. You are very submissive and that will attract the kind of man that has mental issues. Find yourself a more established stable man. There are many out there. The world is a big place. Your man is a bum.

Hmm there isn't any stereotypical woman abuse stuff in my relationship. It is a very happy and loving relationship day in day out. If I do something wrong I'm reprimanded and then it's forgotten about. I know my place, I follow his rules, and I accept discipline.

Does he know about you blabbing about your private relationship details all over a public internet forum yet? How will he reprimand you for that? Blink twice and Say the word "no" if you want out and need our help.

You don't need to follow any loser by a leash. If he can't make decent wages then he is a loser. Only the strongest most intelligent will survive and prosper. Your man doesn't sound like either. You are very submissive and that will attract the kind of man that has mental issues. Find yourself a more established stable man. There are many out there. The world is a big place. Your man is a bum.

I wouldn't leave the man who made me racially aware and who loves me to go with some guy just for money!

Does he know about you blabbing about your private relationship details all over a public internet forum yet? How will he reprimand you for that? Blink twice and Say the word "no" if you want out and need our help.

He has all my passwords and access to everything I do on the computer!

I wouldn't leave the man who made me racially aware and who loves me to go with some guy just for money!

Why don't you get off my internets and get to work doing whatever you need to do to get to where you want to be?

Please stop being mean about my boyfriend, he is not a bum or a wife beater, and I love him and would never leave him. I asked for advice for our future TOGETHER! I have no plans to ever have a future seperate from the person I love so much!

I'm calling troll until I see evidence to the contrary.

Why don't you get off my internets and get to work doing whatever you need to do to get to where you want to be?

I came on this website because I wanted to make friends with white people! It gets pretty lonely, you know.

Hmm there isn't any stereotypical woman abuse stuff in my relationship. It is a very happy and loving relationship day in day out. If I do something wrong I'm reprimanded and then it's forgotten about. I know my place, I follow his rules, and I accept discipline.

Um, you said he hit you for burning dinner.... that falls under an abusive relationship not reprimanding.

He has only hit me once before, for being stupid. It isn't really any different from hitting your child. Would you hit your child if they were bad?

No man should hit a woman over a burnt meal, just start over.... nor would I hit my child for being bad.

I'm calling troll until I see evidence to the contrary.

What evidence do I need to give you? I gave you my photograph. I said people can contact Mr. Fromm who can back me up. And now after today you can contact Mark Faust he will back me up too.

I wouldn't leave the man who made me racially aware and who loves me to go with some guy just for money!

You have become a passive lemming. If you ever had any you have now lost your survival skills dear. Wake up. Why don't you join the military and get someone to pay for your education. Go learn a skill and better yourself. You are young without any life experience. WN needs strong educated people with military backgrounds. You can work in Military Intell, or many other jobs. Hanging around broke waiting for your loser to come home from McDonalds is pathetic.

I came on this website because I wanted to make friends with white people! It gets pretty lonely, you know.

Gee, I met plenty of folks at meetings. You can too! Don't give up.

Um, you said he hit you for burning dinner.... that falls under an abusive relationship not reprimanding.



No man should hit a woman over a burnt meal, just start over.... nor would I hit my child for being bad.

Well then we have different views. I WOULD hit my child for being bad. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I am a man pretending to be a woman, or an FBI agent.

I came on this website because I wanted to make friends with white people! It gets pretty lonely, you know.

YouTube - Elvis Presley Are You Lonesome Tonight, Fantastic Video!

You have become a passive lemming. If you ever had any you have now lost your survival skills dear. Wake up. Why don't you join the military and get someone to pay for your education. Go learn a skill and better yourself. You are young without any life experience. WN needs strong educated people with military backgrounds. You can work in Military Intell, or many other jobs. Hanging around broke waiting for your loser to come home from McDonalds is pathetic.

Where are you getting that my boyfriend works at McDonald's??? Why would you tell a WOMAN to join the ARMY??? Wow...

You have become a passive lemming. If you ever had any you have now lost your survival skills dear. Wake up. Why don't you join the military and get someone to pay for your education. Go learn a skill and better yourself. You are young without any life experience. WN needs strong educated people with military backgrounds. You can work in Military Intell, or many other jobs. Hanging around broke waiting for your loser to come home from McDonalds is pathetic.

I am a good girl and a loyal woman. I am not one of your gold digger Russian whores.

Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I am a man pretending to be a woman, or an FBI agent.

I don't recall saying either of those ...so one of two things just happened ... your reading skills suck or I wrote those things in secret code.

Where are you getting that my boyfriend works at McDonald's??? Why would you tell a WOMAN to join the ARMY??? Wow...

The jews have made the military a great place for women and minorities. They have excellent programs especially made for you. That is your best bet. You are too young and helpless to be a good mother.

I don't recall saying either of those ...so one of two things just happened ... your reading skills suck or I wrote those things in secret code.

The FBI doesn't hire people like you.

I don't recall saying either of those ...so one of two things just happened ... your reading skills suck or I wrote those things in secret code.

That's what all you people on here are saying about me.

It's nice to see who rejects working class men. All you rich people are so damn snobby. I used to be rich like you, too, until I decided to reject that life for a life that is more fulfilling than anything money can buy.

It's nice to see who rejects working class men. All you rich people are so damn snobby. I used to be rich like you, too, until I decided to reject that life for a life that is more fulfilling than anything money can buy.

/me ponders this post while lighting a $50 cigar with a $100 note. :)

The jews have made the military a great place for women and minorities. They have excellent programs especially made for you. That is your best bet. You are too young and helpless to be a good mother.

That's the plan. Join the military, get shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan, and get blown up by Mossad agents.

To all of the people bashing me, please answer the following questions:

1. How old are you?
2. How many children do you have?
3. How much money did you have when you were TWENTY years old?

I was looking for advice on how I can help my man meet his life goals. I would take my working class man over some whoremonger any day! If I end up living in a trailer, I'll still be more successful than you if I have more white babies than you.

That's the plan. Join the military, get shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan, and get blown up by Mossad agents.

You can also walk down some US streets and get run over buy an asian with his little honda civic and huge loud muffler. Or get car-jacked by some niggers and have your throat slit. Or simple get hit by a drunk red neck saturday evening. Women usually get it pretty easy. If she enlists for a specific noncombat role her life will be very easy.

To all of the people bashing me, please answer the following questions:

1. How old are you?
2. How many children do you have?
3. How much money did you have when you were TWENTY years old?

I was looking for advice on how I can help my man meet his life goals. I would take my working class man over some whoremonger any day! If I end up living in a trailer, I'll still be more successful than you if I have more white babies than you.

Honestly..you sound like a slow learning 14 year old. I thought you were a real person. But now I think you are a troll as well. Many people tried to give you advice. Probably wasting there time. You seem born to lose. But this charactor that you represent is fictional. You are probably a man and a jew sitting on his bed in NYC.

You can also walk down some US streets and get run over buy an asian with his little honda civic and huge loud muffler. Or get car-jacked by some niggers and have your throat slit. Or simple get hit by a drunk red neck saturday evening. Women usually get it pretty easy. If she enlists for a specific noncombat role her life will be very easy.

Sorry but a life of riding racehorses and being a momma is more enticing than being a whore for a rich man or working for ZOG! Not only is it ok to be a redneck, but a redneck is the best kind of person you can be.

Honestly..you sound like a slow learning 14 year old. I thought you were a real person. But now I think you are a troll as well. Many people tried to give you advice. Probably wasting there time. You seem born to lose. But this charactor that you represent is fictional. You are probably a man and a jew sitting on his bed in NYC.

Is this part of the tag team approach you learned in training classes?

Honestly..you sound like a slow learning 14 year old. I thought you were a real person. But now I think you are a troll as well. Many people tried to give you advice. Probably wasting there time. You seem born to lose. But this charactor that you represent is fictional. You are probably a man and a jew sitting on his bed in NYC.

I showed my photographs. I even went on skype video for some people. What more proof do you want? I am open about my views. I am open about my life. I don't hide anything. I want the movement to accept me as legitimate. Even if they reject some of my views, I don't want to be accused of all this bullshit for believing in what I do.

You have become a passive lemming. If you ever had any you have now lost your survival skills dear. Wake up. Why don't you join the military and get someone to pay for your education. Go learn a skill and better yourself. You are young without any life experience. WN needs strong educated people with military backgrounds. You can work in Military Intell, or many other jobs. Hanging around broke waiting for your loser to come home from McDonalds is pathetic.

You somewhat sound like someone who couldn't get laid if it wasn't for the money you have.

That's what all you people on here are saying about me.

"you people" I have replied to maybe 2 or 3 of your posts. And yes I am a mother and was one in my 20's and could very easily afford them. So please do not include me in your if you are a man or not drama, since I have no clue about any of it.

I am a good girl and a loyal woman. I am not one of your gold digger Russian whores.

And you're adept at defending against a good left hook.

"you people" I have replied to maybe 2 or 3 of your posts. And yes I am a mother and was one in my 20's and could very easily afford them. So please do not include me in your if you are a man or not drama, since I have no clue about any of it.

Then I apologize. A lot of people think I am a man pretending to be a woman although I have proved them otherwise with photographs and videos. I apologize if you are not one of the people accusing me of this bullshit. If you are a mother, I respect you, and it is great that you could easily afford them in your 20s but we are a working class couple and cannot do so as easily.

And your adept at defending against a good left hook.

Actually yes, I am, I do karate.

Actually yes, I am, I do karate.

If so then I suggest Traditional Karate which emphasis kicks below the waist. Testicles, knee caps, extremely vulnerable areas that can render a larger, stronger adversary incapacitated. It could come in handy the next time you over cook the brussel sprouts.

He may be just a poor working class man, and the people on VNN say he's a loser for not having a high wage, but he tried his hardest to make me see the truth on how the world works. He put an extraordinary amount of effort into me. I am what he moulded me to be.

If so then I suggest Traditional Karate which emphases kicks below the waist. Testicles, knee caps, extremely vulnerable areas that can render a larger, stronger adversary incapacitated. It could come in handy the next time you over cook the brussel sprouts.

I don't fight back against my boyfriend. I'm not an independent woman.

Thanks to all the people who gave me advice. Everybody else please stop with the drama, thanks.

Well then we have different views. I WOULD hit my child for being bad. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I am a man pretending to be a woman, or an FBI agent.

Naw, even the FBI wouldn't be that fuckin dumb as to come up with something like you. "Committed WN's female of child bearing years who just happens to like a little rough stuff to get her going".

Lol, priceless.

I thought I could make some racially aware friends, do you know what, I'm not even sure why I'm here.

Naw, even the FBI wouldn't be that fuckin dumb as to come up with something like you. "Committed WN's female of child bearing years who just happens to like a little rough stuff to get her going".

Lol, priceless.

At least I have a happy relationship with no arguments, mind games, or silent treatment.

At least I have a happy relationship with no arguments, mind games, or silent treatment.

I'm curious, how does one manage not to have an argument before or after getting backhanded for not properly cooking the Hamburger Helper? Because I don't think it could be humanly or psychologically possible. Unless it leads to some weird bondage sex or something.

I'm curious, how does one manage not to have an argument before or after getting backhanded for not properly cooking the Hamburger Helper? Because I don't think it could be humanly or psychologically possible. Unless it leads to some weird bondage sex or something.

What the hell kind of person who cares about their loved ones would make hamburger helper?
If I did something wrong that I would get shots for, there would be no argument, just shots.
It's just a smack and a reminder not to be careless next time.
Isn't it better to have a slight pain than to have an emotional feud with your loved one? I would rather get physical pain from my man than emotional pain.
We haven't had an argument for over two years.
Can you say the same about your relationship?
I don't understand other women. I would rather get a little slap than have an argument. Its alot better than the mind games that other couples play with each other.
Ain't like I get beaten or anything, I just get a smack when I fuck something up. There is not even any rage or anger from him either. He is cool, calm, collected, I get in trouble for doing something bad, that's it and it's done with. I don't know why it is so taboo for a man to hit a woman. It was commonplace back in the day, in better times, when we all knew our roles. And it definately wasn't considered a sexual fetish.

Lauren, would your man hit a cook in a restaurant who burned their food? If not, why not? That person would be being paid to do a service, you are doing it out of kindness and duty.

Did he hit his mom when she cooked for him?

I'm just wondering.

Lauren, would your man hit a cook in a restaurant who burned their food? If not, why not? That person would be being paid to do a service, you are doing it out of kindness and duty.

Did he hit his mom when she cooked for him?

I'm just wondering.

If a cook in a restaurant burned MY food, I would refuse to pay for it. Would you not be angry if you paid somebody money to make food and they ruined it?

His mother never knew how to cook properly, and my boyfriend never hit her, but his father did. She didn't know how to take care of the family properly.

You somewhat sound like someone who couldn't get laid if it wasn't for the money you have.

I have never had a problem getting women. I could even have Lauren in my bed if I wanted to.

I have never had a problem getting women. I could even have Lauren in my bed if I wanted to.

Getting laid is one thing - that should be easy. But being able to tame a woman and make her yours is another thing altogether.

I have never had a problem getting women. I could even have Lauren in my bed if I wanted to.

Maybe if she was in a coma from a severe beating and your bed was the only one available

He may be just a poor working class man, and the people on VNN say he's a loser for not having a high wage, but he tried his hardest to make me see the truth on how the world works. He put an extraordinary amount of effort into me. I am what he moulded me to be.

As if he is some great genious worthy of praise. Your man is a loser. Dump him and move on with your life. That is all the advice I can give you.

If a cook in a restaurant burned MY food, I would refuse to pay for it. Would you not be angry if you paid somebody money to make food and they ruined it?

Yes, but I wouldn't *hit* them. I wouldn't hit a stranger who accidentally messed up, much less someone I love.

I think it's okay for women to get hit in certain circumstances. If she hits you, or says something extremely disrespectful, or cheats or betrays you in someway...all reasons physical violence could be used. But burning food? Yeah, not so much.

It's just petty. What does it accomplish? Accidents happen.

Maybe if she was in a coma from a severe beating and your bed was the only one available

Varg..don't tell me you are falling for this troll story.

Getting laid is one thing - that should be easy. But being able to tame a woman and make her yours is another thing altogether.

I am an expert in taming women. Let me know when you are ready.

What the hell kind of person who cares about their loved ones would make hamburger helper?
If I did something wrong that I would get shots for, there would be no argument, just shots.
It's just a smack and a reminder not to be careless next time.
Isn't it better to have a slight pain than to have an emotional feud with your loved one? I would rather get physical pain from my man than emotional pain.

Ok, I'm trying to picture this. You're slaving over a hot stove, dutifully cooking up some Top Ramen and in walks bf into the kitchen. He raises his nose, sniffs the air and then gives you a "shot" upside your head while saying, "you overcooked it again, bitch".

And you say or do nothing?


We haven't had an argument for over two years.
Can you say the same about your relationship?
I don't understand other women. I would rather get a little slap than have an argument. Its alot better than the mind games that other couples play with each other.

Well of course you haven't, you're a whipped dog. Normal male/female relationships don't go two years without an argument or disagreement. Master/slave relationships on the other hand can go on for decades with no arguments.


Ain't like I get beaten or anything, I just get a smack when I fuck something up. There is not even any rage or anger from him either. He is cool, calm, collected, I get in trouble for doing something bad, that's it and it's done with. I don't know why it is so taboo for a man to hit a woman. It was commonplace back in the day, in better times, when we all knew our roles. And it definately wasn't considered a sexual fetish.

Ok, we already know you get slapped around for over cooking the canned hot dogs and beans but give us another example of you "fucking something up"? Like what happens when you forget to take out the trash? Would that only be a kick in the ass infraction? How about if you pick up the wrong kind of beer from the Kwiki Mart.....pushed down a flight of stairs?

Ok, I'm trying to picture this. You're slaving over a hot stove, dutifully cooking up some Top Ramen and in walks bf into the kitchen. He raises his nose, sniffs the air and then gives you a "shot" upside your head while saying, "you overcooked it again, bitch".

And you say or do nothing?




Well of course you haven't, you're a whipped dog. Normal male/female relationships don't go two years without an argument or disagreement. Master/slave relationships on the other hand can go on for decades with no arguments.




Ok, we already know you get slapped around for over cooking the canned hot dogs and beans but give us another example of you "fucking something up"? Like what happens when you forget to take out the trash? Would that only be a kick in the ass infraction? How about if you pick up the wrong kind of beer from the Kwiki Mart.....pushed down a flight of stairs?

The stereotypical image you try to say of my relationship isn't true in the slightest. You have simply been brainwashed by the feminists to think that a normal dominance-submission relationship is not healthy and is filled with anger. Furthermore, there is never any convenience store food or hot dogs or beer or anything like that served in my house... if it is being served in your house, I would suggest you take a critical look at your own wife.

Ain't like I get beaten or anything, I just get a smack when I fuck something up. There is not even any rage or anger from him either. He is cool, calm, collected, I get in trouble for doing something bad, that's it and it's done with. I don't know why it is so taboo for a man to hit a woman. It was commonplace back in the day, in better times, when we all knew our roles. And it definately wasn't considered a sexual fetish.

Bullshit, it has never been acceptable to hit a woman , especially 200-300 years ago, if you did that you would be looked upon as the equivalent of a homosexual. It has always been viewed by the noble element of Europe as lowly behavior.

Bullshit, it has never been acceptable to hit a woman , especially 200-300 years ago, if you did that you would be looked upon as the equivalent of a homosexual. It has always been viewed by the noble element of Europe as lowly behavior.

Even if people don't agree with it, a disagreement with how I live is no reason for everyone to attack me and say I am a man pretending to be a woman, or an FBI government agent. I just made this thread to ask for advice about ways for me to meet my goals. I didn't want it to turn into an argument.

Even if people don't agree with it, a disagreement with how I live is no reason for everyone to attack me and say I am a man pretending to be a woman, or an FBI government agent. I just made this thread to ask for advice about ways for me to meet my goals. I didn't want it to turn into an argument.

In this case peer pressure is doing the positive thing - railing against your significant other's low position as well as his low behavior. You sound just like an average race mixer talking about her negro pet "I don't care that he's a crack addict and works at Mc.Donalds because I love him!". You don't need to be a gold digger per se but you don't need to be a shit digger either, there's a golden mean that you missed.

Lauren, do you still need "advice" about your life or can we close this bloody thread down?????????

In this case peer pressure is doing the positive thing - railing against your significant other's low position as well as his low behavior. You sound just like an average race mixer talking about her negro pet "I don't care that he's a crack addict and works at Mc.Donalds because I love him!". You don't need to be a gold digger per se but you don't need to be a shit digger either, there's a golden mean that you missed.

Wow, that's low. I probably would have ended up marrying some rich jew if my boyfriend hadn't intervened. That's the path I was headed on before I met him. He didn't save me for some other guy. He saved me so that he could have me.

In this case peer pressure is doing the positive thing - railing against your significant other's low position as well as his low behavior. You sound just like an average race mixer talking about her negro pet "I don't care that he's a crack addict and works at Mc.Donalds because I love him!". You don't need to be a gold digger per se but you don't need to be a shit digger either, there's a golden mean that you missed.

He is a working class man and we are young and building a nest egg. I wouldn't want to be with a man who is too soft to hit his girl or his children.

I read this thread and I just want to shake my head. I can't believe some of the things I am reading.

I do think Lauren is a real person. She has given the name of two people who can vouch for her. Paul Fromm is a respected name. Mark Faust is another one who is respected in Canada.

Lauren is young. Her young man is young. We were all young at one time in our lives. She is in love with this young man. She wants to marry him. There is nothing that anyone can say at this time that is going to change that fact. It doesn't help the situation to keep telling her he is a bum and she should leave him. You have a right to your thoughts, but the reality is that when a young woman is in love with a man and people come down on him it only makes her love, support and defend him more.

The important thing is that Lauren is a White Nationalist and is trying to think of how to best provide a future for the future children she is going to bring into the world with this young man.

There have been some things said here without any proof. Are we gossips who listen to rumors and hearsay or do we wait for undeniable proof? Again if you have your doubts about Lauren contact Paul Fromm and Mark Faust and see what they have to say. She has given their names as references.

Lauren, you need to learn to stand up for yourself. There is nothing wrong with being a strong White women who is a helpmate to her man. I believe in traditonal role models and the man being the head of the household and the woman being the heart of the household. I am not a feminist. People are expressing their concern for you, because they care.

Hang in there and don't give up trying to reach out and meet other White Nationalists to have fellowship with.

Best Wishes
Cindy

In this case peer pressure is doing the positive thing - railing against your significant other's low position as well as his low behavior. You sound just like an average race mixer talking about her negro pet "I don't care that he's a crack addict and works at Mc.Donalds because I love him!". You don't need to be a gold digger per se but you don't need to be a shit digger either, there's a golden mean that you missed.

The male is meant to capture females, not beg for their favor like some whipped spaniel. In our now alien occupied countries a man "woos" a woman with promises of material goods, with $60 or $100 bouquets of flowers; he is an emasculated idiot. Jewish movie producers, magazine editors, television network owners, stock brokers, bankers, lawyers and assorted billionaires offer the most beautiful of our young women the world on a platter. Sports cars, penthouses, roles as movie starlets, as centerfolds, buckets of money,
jewelry, glitter and adulation awaits any pretty White girl. We who are racially aware and active can offer them poverty and the chance to share in the abuse heaped upon our heads.
- David Lane

By conditioning and false intellectualization the modern woman convinces herself she should "own" one man, rather than be the possession of a superior man. But the fire fades. The spark dies. Her orgasms are weak and faked. Because once a man is "tamed," the natural attraction is gone. He is now her working drone, she no longer needs to compete with other women. In her heart of hearts she despises "her man," while her innermost being longs to be taken by a dominant male. Her sexual nature is sublimated and she adopts any false and destructive doctrine that captures her attention.
- David Lane





Money isn't everything. It is more important to belong to a dominant male, even if he is working class, than to be the equal of a rich one.

I read this thread and I just want to shake my head. I can't believe some of the things I am reading.

I do think Lauren is a real person. She has given the name of two people who can vouch for her. Paul Fromm is a respected name. Mark Faust is another one who is respected in Canada.

Lauren is young. Her young man is young. We were all young at one time in our lives. She is in love with this young man. She wants to marry him. There is nothing that anyone can say at this time that is going to change that fact. It doesn't help the situation to keep telling her he is a bum and she should leave him. You have a right to your thoughts, but the reality is that when a young woman is in love with man and people come down on him it only makes her support and defend him more.

The important thing is that Lauren is a White Nationalist and is trying to think of how to best provide a future for the future children she is going to bring into the world with this young man.

There have been some things said here without any proof. Are we gossips who listen to rumors and hearsay or do we wait for undeniable proof? Again if you have your doubts about Lauren contact Paul Fromm and Mark Faust and see what they have to say. She has given their names as references.

Lauren, you need to learn to stand up for yourself. There is nothing wrong with being a strong White women who is a helpmate to her man. I believe in traditonal role models and the man being the head of the household and the woman being the heart of the household. I am not a feminist. People are expressing their concern for you, because they care.

Hang in there and don't give up trying to reach out and meet other White Nationalists to have fellowship with.

Best Wishes
Cindy

Thank you for your support Cindy :) As I said before, I have given two names as a reference, two people who have said its ok for me to give their name as a reference, but people would rather gossip about me without trying to prove or disprove anything. And my man is still young. He went through a period in his life where he didn't care much about money and more about reading and learning about history and politics. If it weren't for that period, he probably would have more money saved up. But if it weren't for that period, he wouldn't be so knowledgeable about all the things he knows now and he probably wouldn't have cared about bringing me to become racially aware, or he wouldn't have known how to do it. Do you know who else went through a spell of poverty as a young man? Adolf Hitler. Are you going to denounce him as well? A lot of people who start out small blossom to become respectable and important people.

I wouldn't want to be with a man who is too soft to hit his girl or his children.


Lauren, while I am in agreement about the natural roles of male and female within the household, I cannot help but disagree with your boyfriend's method of implementing it. Yes there is nothing wrong with putting a female in her place should she challenge your authority as the head of the house (if she attempts to attack you or slap you), but to slap a woman for burning food? I cannot help but disagree with this.

It is obvious by what you've told us, that he will be a wife beater...he slapped you already for something small and trivial, and he got away with it, you justified it for him...in due course he will find even more trivial things with which to vent out his frustrations and failures on your face.


As far as hitting children are concerned, perhaps it works for others...I prefer my future kinder to be taught without the use of force...to be treated as though they have a brain and are in fact capable of understanding and deductive reasoning. If my wife beats one of my children it would be akin to an attack on me and it would warrant a slap in my opinion.

Lauren : I should add, that you must not forget :

The female role in the household and management of it, is not merely as a punching bag. She is the manager of the affairs at the household when the man is not present, she keeps it all afloat if he is off in war, at work, on a business trip or what have you...her role is as preserver of his household, his offspring and herself.

Because after all, money and all else removed, what mark could man leave that exceeds that of the flesh?

Wow, that's low. I probably would have ended up marrying some rich jew if my boyfriend hadn't intervened. That's the path I was headed on before I met him. He didn't save me for some other guy. He saved me so that he could have me.

Personally I would rather have a woman whose father and mother taught her the right values, that tells me that
1. She has good genetics.
2. My future with my in-laws will likely be a good one.
3. The woman has lived those values, I don't have to trust her to hold them, often women do it just as a "favor", sort of a bargain chip and thus it isn't to my interest to "reel" them in since I can get much more in another woman without wasting my time.

He is a working class man and we are young and building a nest egg. I wouldn't want to be with a man who is too soft to hit his girl or his children.

Only morons do those things since their communication skills warrant nothing else.





Money isn't everything.
It's a factor when there is too little.


It is more important to belong to a dominant male,
I suspect you are the only thing he can dominate, to the rest of the world he's a rug to wipe their feet off of.




As far as hitting children are concerned, perhaps it works for others...I prefer my future kinder to be taught without the use of force...to be treated as though they have a brain and are in fact capable of understanding and deductive reasoning. If my wife beats one of my children it would be akin to an attack on me and it would warrant a slap in my opinion.

Good point Karl, that's how lower people raise their children. If you are intelligent and managed to produce an intelligent child you must expect them to have their own conscience and take responsibility for their own actions, even at a young age. When you beat them you don't give them that message, it's merely a conditioned response.

I thought the same thing. Big man at home beating a young ignorant insecure woman but in the real world he is a loser washing dishes somewhere and cleaning toilets.

Does anyone have any pics of this genious?

Gabry, id think we can all just use our imagination and all come up with a similar picture.

I suspect you are the only thing he can dominate, to the rest of the world he's a rug to wipe their feet off of.


That depends on his appearance. People respect power, either financial or physical.

A big, handsome, powerful, assertive man will be respected even if he's a ditch digger.

Smart people can earn money using their brains.

Strong less intelligent people can earn money using their body.

This boy is not earning any money with anything.

I suspect he suffers from loser syndrome. And it can be contagious. She better run.

If she was smarter then she would find a man that is capable. Smart animals in the wild know how to choose the best mates.

Humans usually have the same instinct. But something happened in this situation. I wonder if drug use is a problem.

If she was smarter then she would find a man that is capable. Smart animals in the wild know how to choose the best mates.



Does this also apply to all the single WN males on VNNF who bash women all the time?

That depends on his appearance. People respect power, either financial or physical.

A big, handsome, powerful, assertive man will be respected even if he's a ditch digger.

I suspect he isn't strong/physically impressive either, those sort of people can still get up the ladder quite far.

I suspect he isn't strong/physically impressive either, those sort of people can still get up the ladder quite far.


Maybe you're right, but keep in mind that this guy has just started climbing the ladder. I'm assuming he isn't much older than you, considering that Lauren is 20.

Does this also apply to all the single WN males on VNNF who bash women all the time?

Check out the thread I started.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=100681

Good point Karl, that's how lower people raise their children. If you are intelligent and managed to produce an intelligent child you must expect them to have their own conscience and take responsibility for their own actions, even at a young age. When you beat them you don't give them that message, it's merely a conditioned response.

Yep, they do simply because they know the opposite would result in a beating. A child who is taught the proper way, by means of intelligent discourse on the other hand, would assess the two options he has available to him, the pro's and the con's...as well as understand why the one is wrong and the other one is a morally righteous choice.

He won't be motivated by either fear or a desire for praise to make the moral choice.

Check out the thread I started.

I already have. It isn't relevant to my question.

You seem to be entertaining the misconception that WN men are to be found around every corner.

Well, let me tell you something: WN men are almost as rare as WN women.

You're basically telling this girl to go out and find herself a patriotard or a liberal who brings in six figures.

Maybe you're right, but keep in mind that this guy has just started climbing the ladder. I'm assuming he isn't much older than you, considering that Lauren is 20.

Youth doesn't last forever and time passes by fast. I recommend military service. Contractors in Afghanistan make $150k-200k per year. In the USA the best thing poor whites can do is join and get free education. Then they can get out and start making $75k per year. When you have money you have power. Even if you work for ZOG you will have money and can act as a spy. ZOG doesn't look for WN inside its apparatus. Few WN have university degrees as well. Money and Education is what WN need to move forward.

No more wife beaters toilet cleaners.

Maybe you're right, but keep in mind that this guy has just started climbing the ladder. I'm assuming he isn't much older than you, considering that Lauren is 20.

She's 20? Seriously?

Anyways if I was going bankrupt in my early 20's my life would be a wreck and more or less over, I wouldn't be surprised if only crack whores would want to go out with me after that (Considering id be living in a ghetto).

I already have. It isn't relevant to my question.

You seem to be entertaining the misconception that WN men are to be found around every corner.

Well, let me tell you something: WN men are almost as rare as WN women.

You're basically telling this girl to go out and find herself a patriotard or a liberal who brings in six figures.

She is already racially aware. Once she has money she can act on her beliefs and raise her children like that. As of now she is sitting in a dark pit. She is going no where fast. She needs to take some kind of action NOW. I recommend military. Or she must find some stupid man to use. In war you have to do what it takes to survive. Living in this economy as a WN you must really struggle. There are plenty of nice white males out there that can help her situation, put her through school, etc. Once she has something that she can earn money with then she doesn't need anyone. Until that time she must latch on to someone or something to pull herself out of the gutter.

But she lacks ambition and drive. So I doubt anything will come.

The muds that come from brown countries come here and scrape, bleed, fight to survive. And in 10 years they own a small business and put their kids in university. Why can't Lauren do this. She speaks English. They didn't.

She is already racially aware. Once she has money she can act on her beliefs and raise her children like that. As of now she is sitting in a dark pit. She is going no where fast. She needs to take some kind of action NOW. I recommend military. Or she must find some stupid man to use. In war you have to do what it takes to survive. Living in this economy as a WN you must really struggle. There are plenty of nice white males out there that can help her situation, put her through school, etc. Once she has something that she can earn money with then she doesn't need anyone. Until that time she must latch on to someone or something to pull herself out of the gutter.

But she lacks ambition and drive. So I doubt anything will come.

Yeah, she lacks the ambition and drive to whore herself out to a "nice white male".

You ought to be a motivational speaker. T.J.B.

I thought the same thing. Big man at home beating a young ignorant insecure woman but in the real world he is a loser washing dishes somewhere and cleaning toilets.

Does anyone have any pics of this genious?

He's a salesman, moron. Salesmen don't wash dishes or clean toilets.

The muds that come from brown countries come here and scrape, bleed, fight to survive. And in 10 years they own a small business and put their kids in university. Why can't Lauren do this. She speaks English. They didn't.

Isn't it made easier though, for a foreigner to do that? That is the main problem with Western Society, it treats it's own citizens like second class citizens while it gives the foreigner every opportunity to "settle himself" and be a permanent resident within the country that "adopted" him.

That depends on his appearance. People respect power, either financial or physical.

A big, handsome, powerful, assertive man will be respected even if he's a ditch digger.

He is muscular, athletic, handsome, attractive, eloquent, and well spoken. I would say his worst attribute is that he is clumsy - drops things, has accidents - and is not very well organized. Other than that, the man I am with is no fool.

Smart people can earn money using their brains.

Strong less intelligent people can earn money using their body.

This boy is not earning any money with anything.

I suspect he suffers from loser syndrome. And it can be contagious. She better run.

If she was smarter then she would find a man that is capable. Smart animals in the wild know how to choose the best mates.

Humans usually have the same instinct. But something happened in this situation. I wonder if drug use is a problem.

Neither of us even drink, moron, let alone use other drugs. We don't even drink coffee. The most drugs we get in our bodies is maybe a little bit of wine used to cook up some meat.

Maybe you're right, but keep in mind that this guy has just started climbing the ladder. I'm assuming he isn't much older than you, considering that Lauren is 20.

He is strong, he exercises every day, and trains in JuJitsu. I am strong too, I exercise for at least an hour every day, and I work in a barn.

Yeah, she lacks the ambition and drive to whore herself out to a "nice white male".

You ought to be a motivational speaker. T.J.B.

She can simply get a fucking job and work 60 hours per week as well. There are many things she can do. But she is not doing anything. Only complaining. If she worked as a waitress she could earn $150 per day. She could rent a room in a home for $600 per month. In her free time she could go to university online. You have to atleast try and make an effort. If not then her only choice is to latch onto some white man and use him to pull herself out of this hole she is living in now.

Youth doesn't last forever and time passes by fast. I recommend military service. Contractors in Afghanistan make $150k-200k per year. In the USA the best thing poor whites can do is join and get free education. Then they can get out and start making $75k per year. When you have money you have power. Even if you work for ZOG you will have money and can act as a spy. ZOG doesn't look for WN inside its apparatus. Few WN have university degrees as well. Money and Education is what WN need to move forward.

No more wife beaters toilet cleaners.

You just told a white woman to join the army.
You are screwed up.

She can simply get a fucking job and work 60 hours per week as well. There are many things she can do. But she is not doing anything. Only complaining.

That's better advice.


If not then her only choice is to latch onto some white man and use him to pull herself out of this hole she is living in now.


What is it with these doomsday scenarios? Let's not exaggerate. She isn't living in a hole. They eat well, live in a White neighbourhood of Toronto (not an easy thing to do) and she only works part-time.

For a couple of 20-year-olds, that's not bad at all.

She is already racially aware. Once she has money she can act on her beliefs and raise her children like that. As of now she is sitting in a dark pit. She is going no where fast. She needs to take some kind of action NOW. I recommend military. Or she must find some stupid man to use. In war you have to do what it takes to survive. Living in this economy as a WN you must really struggle. There are plenty of nice white males out there that can help her situation, put her through school, etc. Once she has something that she can earn money with then she doesn't need anyone. Until that time she must latch on to someone or something to pull herself out of the gutter.

But she lacks ambition and drive. So I doubt anything will come.

The muds that come from brown countries come here and scrape, bleed, fight to survive. And in 10 years they own a small business and put their kids in university. Why can't Lauren do this. She speaks English. They didn't.

I have a lot of ambition and drive. Who else would work out 1-2 hours a day and work in a barn slaving away out of love for an animal? I'm a very strong girl. I lift weights, I do karate, I gallop horses. I work hard at work and at home.
I'm not in the gutter. I live in a nice white suburb. My neighbours are old Greek and Italian couples.
Our problem is about saving money and we already have strategies to do so. People gave me some really good advice and now we have made budgets and strategies. So you should stop with all the pressure for me to leave my man. I'm not going to do it.

That's better advice.




What is it with these doomsday scenarios? Let's not exaggerate. She isn't living in a hole. They eat well, live in a White neighbourhood of Toronto (not an easy thing to do) and she only works part-time.

For a couple of 20-year-olds, that's not bad at all.

Yes it is ok for now. She needs to learn and figure things out. But at age 30 she will have to really get her act together. I think people have given her some advice already. Now she just has to do something. She came here and asked for suggestions. I am not the one who just decided to tell her what to do with her life because I want to be in everybodys business.

She can simply get a fucking job and work 60 hours per week as well. There are many things she can do. But she is not doing anything. Only complaining. If she worked as a waitress she could earn $150 per day. She could rent a room in a home for $600 per month. In her free time she could go to university online. You have to atleast try and make an effort. If not then her only choice is to latch onto some white man and use him to pull herself out of this hole she is living in now.

I'm not living in a hole. My life is very happy. I love my house I live in. I love my neighbourhood.

You just told a white woman to join the army.
You are screwed up.

No. You are ignorant. Free room and board, travel, free education, you would be able to grow up and have self confidence. Choose a non-combat role and you will be good to go. Maybe one day you could be an officer.

I'm not living in a hole. My life is very happy. I love my house I live in. I love my neighbourhood.

Then why in hell did you come here crying asking for help with your domestic violence and poverty situation?

That's better advice.




What is it with these doomsday scenarios? Let's not exaggerate. She isn't living in a hole. They eat well, live in a White neighbourhood of Toronto (not an easy thing to do) and she only works part-time.

For a couple of 20-year-olds, that's not bad at all.

Exactly, we are just starting to build a nest egg.

When I lived on my own, I could only afford to live in a dormitory at the racetrack. My neighbours were niggers. Not only that, but I had nobody to take care of me and protect me.

Living with my man, I have somebody to walk me home from the bus stop when it's dark out at night, someone to walk me to the bus stop at 5AM in the morning when it is still dark outside, somebody who would fight for me if I ever got attacked. If I ever got killed, I know I have somebody who would give up everything and make it their life goal to find the killer and torture him to avenge me.

I have been attacked by niggers before. Who says it won't happen again? Being a 5'1 blonde white girl, especially one who looks like a 15 year old, is not a very good thing to be living alone. I certainly wouldn't be safe on my own. I would have somebody rape me in a very short period of time. It has already been attempted. I'm just lucky that I'm a fast runner with strong legs.

Then why in hell did you come here crying asking for help with your domestic violence and poverty situation?

I asked for help in reaching my future goals. Read the original post again.

I'm happy where I am, but I also care about the future. I am living comfortably right now. There is only the two of us. We need enough to be able to support another 5 human beings. And we have a goal of wanting some land.

Well then good luck to you Lauren and I hope things work out for you the way you want them.

Cheers.

No. You are ignorant. Free room and board, travel, free education, you would be able to grow up and have self confidence. Choose a non-combat role and you will be good to go. Maybe one day you could be an officer.

I have free room and board right now. I don't need any travel or education. My boyfriend is paying for my "education" - jockey school - in November 2010. That's if I can get strong enough to pass the entry tests.

I probably would have ended up marrying some rich jew if my boyfriend hadn't intervened. That's the path I was headed on before I met him. He didn't save me for some other guy. He saved me so that he could have me.

Well then that is not noble and is nothing to be respected. I've found white girls their own partners before and have not asked for sexual favors in return. Everyone should be doing that, unfortunately people are selfish even in these circles.



Smart people can earn money using their brains.

Strong less intelligent people can earn money using their body.



You seem to still be recovering from being a typical lemming with this statement. People using their body are not "strong and less intelligent". You can be intelligent and pull your own weight instead of hustling like a jew through life parasite-ing off the labor of others to fund your existence. Infact everyone should be using their body to pull their own weight through life. Tricking other people to do your work for you is not noble.



He is muscular, athletic, handsome, attractive, eloquent, and well spoken. I would say his worst attribute is that he is clumsy - drops things, has accidents - and is not very well organized.

Sure, he is that now...but everyone isn't always at their peak physical beauty through out their life.

Imagine your boyfriend as he would be at 45 years old, not working out at the gym anymore, packed on a few extra pounds of fat and not so athletic looking anymore and losing his hair. You still into him? Is his personality enough to make you want to still be with him if he didn't have those other things? Would you be able to put up with the back handed slaps coming from a balding fat guy with impotency instead of the slaps coming from a muscular dark male with all his hair who gives you make-up sex after beatings?


When I lived on my own, I could only afford to live in a dormitory at the racetrack. My neighbours were niggers. Not only that, but I had nobody to take care of me and protect me.

Living with my man, I have somebody to walk me home from the bus stop when it's dark out at night, someone to walk me to the bus stop at 5AM in the morning when it is still dark outside, somebody who would fight for me if I ever got attacked.




You unintentionally put into words (without prompting) why many attractive white girls date niggers or other thuggish non-white males. They want a dog or a bodyguard to protect them and to scare people. Females seek out these "Neanderthal" males because they wish they had these violent fear inducing attributes themselves. And the way they can get them is to date them. So they do.

Are you kidding? Niggers do not protect their girls. Every man should protect his girl and act like a "bodyguard."

Are you kidding? Niggers do not protect their girls. Every man should protect his girl and act like a "bodyguard."

Joining them certainly does afford you protection from them when you are a female who has something they want. Many females do this to buy protection and also gain the thugishness that they admire (and wish they had) but seriously lack. It's living vicariously at its most extreme.

You seem to still be recovering from being a typical lemming with this statement. People using their body are not "strong and less intelligent". You can be intelligent and pull your own weight instead of hustling like a jew through life parasite-ing off the labor of others to fund your existence. Infact everyone should be using their body to pull their own weight through life. Tricking other people to do your work for you is not noble.


I think you are wrong with your idea that only physical work is real "honest" work. Yes you can make great money doing physical work as a tradesman. You can be intelligent and physically strong as well but prefer working outdoors rather then in the office too. Whites can do many things.

I am saying that if a man is not intelligent then he can only use his body to earn money. If he is intelligent then he has more options. Working outside or inside both become possible. There is nothing noble about slaving away in a factory.

I worked one summer as a tire changer when I was 18. NTB. No A/C and our foreman were all niggers out of prison on work release programs. I was the only white boy. They had me picking up lead weights off the floor. An older white mechanic came over to me and said don't listen to them because you need gloves to touch lead. You will get poisoned. The nigger boss yelled at me to "be a man". I decided to use my brain and still be a man that uses gloves and other tools to his benefit.

The white race can no longer afford to just work hard. It must work smart as well as hard.

jockey school - in November 2010.

Jockey school? Troll much?

Jockey school? Troll much?

What's the matter with that?

Joining them certainly does afford you protection from them when you are a female who has something they want. Many females do this to buy protection and also gain the thugishness that they admire (and wish they had) but seriously lack. It's living vicariously at its most extreme.

Do you not think that men have a duty to protect their women?

Jockey school? Troll much?

She wants to race horses. Does that make someone a troll who likes horses and would like to exercise horses on the race track while they are young. A lot of people like to work with the race horses. I like riding hunter/jumper myself, but I knew girls who worked at the race track and exercised the horses and they loved it.

Some of you people look for a troll in everyone.

She wants to race horses. Does that make someone a troll who likes horses and would like to exercise horses on the race track while they are young. A lot of people like to work with the race horses. I like riding hunter/jumper myself, but I knew girls who worked at the race track and exercised the horses and they loved it.

Some of you people look for a troll in everyone.

I hate horses. They're big, they're stupid, they stink, they're uncomfortable, they have no reverse and the few times I have ridden one they didn't do what I said.

Automobiles, thanks White guys.

I hate horses. They're big, they're stupid, they stink, they're uncomfortable, they have no reverse and the few times I have ridden one they didn't do what I said.

Automobiles, thanks White guys.

Steve,

That is your right to like cars and to dislike horses. I on the other hand have a right to love horses. I am sorry that you had a bad experience riding horses. I broke my back and got right back on. Horses are not stupid, but are very smart. Gee, my horse backed up and even went sideways. A car can't go sideways and the exhust comes out of them stinks. Horses don't stink but cows sure do.

OK, let me clear it up. Lauren is indeed a young woman in her early twenties. I can confirm that. She aint half bad either.....I'd give her some kielbasa, but then she would stalk me to the ends of the earth like any woman would.....This curse of mine....OY VEY DA POISECUTION!

But seriously, she is not a creepy gay dude or Dick Warman. So quit being assholes.

OK, let me clear it up. Lauren is indeed a young woman in her early twenties. I can confirm that. She aint half bad either.....I'd give her some kielbasa, but then she would stalk me to the ends of the earth like any woman would.....This curse of mine....OY VEY DA POISECUTION!

But seriously, she is not a creepy gay dude or Dick Warman. So quit being assholes.


I second that...except for giving her the kielbasa. She's not quite good enough for it. :)






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She wants to race horses.

She said she wanted to stay home and have five babies. Which is it? I've never seen a pregnant female jockey. Furthermore, there are incredible risks to racing horses which would seem to me to be contrary to her desire to want to be a mother.

I stand by the troll theory.

She said she wanted to stay home and have five babies. Which is it? I've never seen a pregnant female jockey. Furthermore, there are incredible risks to racing horses which would seem to me to be contrary to her desire to want to be a mother.

I stand by the troll theory.

Why can't I exercise horses in the morning and take care of my children at home after? Most exercise riders are home by 11AM.

I broke my back and got right back on.

This is exactly why a mother of five should want to be a jockey.

:troll

Why can't I exercise horses in the morning and take care of my children at home after? Most exercise riders are home by 11AM.

First it was a mother of five, then a jockey, now a horse exerciser. Make up your mind.

:troll

First it was a mother of five, then a jockey, now a horse exerciser. Make up your mind.

:troll

JOCKEY was nowhere listed in my plans.

JOCKEY was nowhere listed in my plans.

No?

My boyfriend is paying for my "education" - jockey school - in November 2010.

Why go to 'jockey school' then? Why waste good money on learning something you won't be doing?

:troll

Is this a Masher troll thread? Like the Jett and Jahn show?