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[size=3]Just was on the News forum and King Tiger posted a link to the news video (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?postid=126301#poststop) of the NSM rally at Valley Forge.

[size=2]Direct Video Link (http://cf.nbc10.com/phi/sh/videoplayer/video.cfm?id=3759887&owner=phi) (turn off pop-up blockers)[/size]

For starters, I can't even begin to describe the FILTHY DEMEANOR of the NSM "spokesman" (http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2124). He looked (and ACTED) like some half naked, strung out "Aryan Brotherhood" prison bitch. All he could do is brag about his tattoos and sport "Nigger-Bling" (gold chains). I kid you not! (see pic) The opposition (http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2125) looked a HELL OF A LOT MORE CREDIBLE! (again, see pic)

Just for the record... This NSM "WN" (http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2124) does [size=5][color=red]NOT[/color][/size] represent:

Myself...
My Family...
Anyone I associate with...
General George Washington...
Thomas Jefferson...
ANYONE who fought at Valley Forge...
Adolf Hitler (probably would have shot him)...
ANY serious White person concerned about our race...

(feel free to add to this list)

As soon as the reporter started interviewing him, he SHOULD have deferred all comments to a more qualified (and better dressed) representative.

In the video he is described as "one of the organizers" of the event. If that is true then HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

This shit has got to fucking stop. Don't the Fuc'Tards at the NSM realize that they are KILLING OUR PEOPLE with this shit?

Bear in mind, I'm NOT criticizing Whites. I AM criticizing the way some of them dress and act when they are suppose to be representing my race.

Let me complete this "spokeman's" ensemble...

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Next year's "NSM Spokesman"??? (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/Letters_files/grubby.jpg)[/size]


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Sorry about the language folks, but I had to vent.

[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88][size=3]

Just for the record... This "NSM WN" does NOT[/size] represent:

Myself
My Family
Anyone I associate with
General George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
ANYONE who fought at Valley Forge

(feel free to add to this list)[/QUOTE]

OK. For starters:

Adolf Hitler
Any serious White person concerned about our race

I will add it... Thank you!

[QUOTE=Jack Napier]OK. For starters:

Adolf Hitler
Any serious White person concerned about our race[/QUOTE]

Assuming that these "spokesmen" of "White" rights were actually earnest, I can't imagine what they remotely hope to achieve with such a repulsive presentation. Surely they themselves have no idea; they are just indulging in catharsis.

I myself have had a modest part in rallies in the past. The people whom I was with were always, to the best of their abilities, well dressed and well spoken. To us, it was common sense to try to appear respectable and conventional in appearance. (Sorry Jethro: image does count for something. Neither you nor I can change that.) However, apparently wearing a tie and taking a bath is too much of a sacrifice to ask from most dolts in the "Movement". As usual, pretty fucking sad.

Dr. Pierce had the intriguing notion (evidently disavowed by later NA leadership) that groups such as the NSM would inadvertantly serve a constructive purpose for a White future by siphoning off the worst rejects and defectives from the serious revolutionary organizations and networks. I can only hope his notion is correct.


[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88][size=3]Just was on the News forum and King Tiger posted a link to the video (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?postid=126301#poststop) of the NSM rally at Valley Forge.
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Sorry about the language folks, but I had to vent.[/QUOTE]

I kind of like the way the guy kind of stammered when asked "what did Jews and Negroes do to you?".

Hell, I had an articulated response before the reporter even finished the question and I'm not even white. Not that I'd want to be in that strange position...




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[QUOTE=torcher88]image does count for something.[/QUOTE]
I believe that appearance is of the utmost importance, what president ever got elected wearing a t-shirt and jeans.

People expect their leaders to be well groomed and look like leaders of society.

This is in my opinion one of the reasons Dr Pierce was so successful.

When he appeared in public he appeared like a leader, he sported no tattoos or gaudy jewelry, he always appeared well groomed and wearing a matching suit (I think I have only seen on pic of him not wearing a suit) and he was never drunk.

Also something of note even though Dr Pierce wasn’t a Christian you rarely (if ever) heard him utter obscenities.

He never appeared out of order either; I don’t recall him going into fits of rage and screaming or throwing things.

This is what stood out about him in the movement and this is a major part of why he was so respected.

Had he been as intelligent as he was but appeared drunk, cursing, wearing a wife beater covered in tattoos and body piercing he wouldn’t have been nearly as respected.

A regal appearance does make a huge difference in how you are viewed.

There is a huge difference in how I am treated in stores and such (by people I don’t know) when I wear my leather jacket and boots as compared to when I wear a suit.

When I wear a suit people are more friendly towards me and polite but when I wear the leather they may still be nice but not as open, they are more withdrawn because I don’t convey a sociable image.

[QUOTE=Jack Napier]OK. For starters:

Adolf Hitler
Any serious White person concerned about our race[/QUOTE]

Hey what the hell did I ever do to you?! I have feelings too you know!

edit: Ah crap I misread the post.

[QUOTE=Adolf Hitler]Hey what the hell did I ever do to you?! I have feelings too you know![/QUOTE]


Yeah, I saw that coming. Heh.




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Besides everything else, can't these guys do a little excercise once in a while. I mean, do 20 push-ups everyday and at least you won't look like your skin is just dripping off your body. It's like they think tatoos are a substitute for muscles. Sheet! If you're going to walk around with your shirt off, at least don't look like your skin is melting off your bones.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I believe that appearance is of the utmost importance, what president ever got elected wearing a t-shirt and jeans.

People expect their leaders to be well groomed and look like leaders of society.

This is in my opinion one of the reasons Dr Pierce was so successful.

When he appeared in public he appeared like a leader, he sported no tattoos or gaudy jewelry, he always appeared well groomed and wearing a matching suit (I think I have only seen on pic of him not wearing a suit) and he was never drunk.

Also something of note even though Dr Pierce wasn’t a Christian you rarely (if ever) heard him utter obscenities.

He never appeared out of order either; I don’t recall him going into fits of rage and screaming or throwing things.

This is what stood out about him in the movement and this is a major part of why he was so respected.

Had he been as intelligent as he was but appeared drunk, cursing, wearing a wife beater covered in tattoos and body piercing he wouldn’t have been nearly as respected.

A regal appearance does make a huge difference in how you are viewed.

There is a huge difference in how I am treated in stores and such (by people I don’t know) when I wear my leather jacket and boots as compared to when I wear a suit.

When I wear a suit people are more friendly towards me and polite but when I wear the leather they may still be nice but not as open, they are more withdrawn because I don’t convey a sociable image.[/QUOTE]



Yes, it can be a huge TURN OFF!

Jeez...how fuggin' difficult is it to wear a shirt to a political demo? Really, is that asking too much? Perhaps the NSM was simply trying to demonstrate that their shitty homemade SA uniforms aren't so bad given the alternative.

Perhaps the NSM was simply trying to demonstrate that their shitty homemade SA uniforms aren't so bad given the alternative.

LOL!

I'd take brownshirts over manboobage any day.


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[QUOTE=Spengler]Jeez...how fuggin' difficult is it to wear a shirt to a political demo? Really, is that asking too much? Perhaps the NSM was simply trying to demonstrate that their shitty homemade SA uniforms aren't so bad given the alternative.[/QUOTE]


I understand your point Spengler its like Pierce said once and I agree with him. Right now isn't the time for uniforms.
While your probably right just think of all the white folks that could be reached instead though. For every white person that doesn't have a problem with it there is one who laughs at it and walks away.

[QUOTE=Aryan88]
For every white person that doesn't have a problem with it there is one who laughs at it and walks away.[/QUOTE]
Er...I think most white folks would have a problem with a slovenly shirtless man with tattoos and gold chains. Color me crazy but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

[QUOTE=Spengler]Er...I think most white folks would have a problem with a slovenly shirtless man with tattoos and gold chains. Color me crazy but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it![/QUOTE]



lol Yes I would think and hope that most white folks would have a problem with it.......there is always that crazy few though. lol

uh oh, Ive got tattoos, wear a gold bracelet, gold necklace anda gold ring.. (I would wear a suit to ANy rally, and have, dressing respectable IS most definatly important), so I guess I wont be accepted much here eh? hahahaha.. too bad, guess I'll have to stick to real life.. Lets continue to alienate Whites based on personal opinion! (IE, tattoos or jewelry) I laugh when I read threads like this, everytime.. it seems, atleast the guy with the tattoos had some balls to get off the computer and out ni real life, weather you all think he's doing any good or not. The day I see ANYONE here using theyre nice little usernames, out in about in real life, wearing your suits or whatever the fuck you want, is the day your critisim's dont fall on deaf ears to this WHITE MAN WITH TATTOOS.


Oh, and BTW, Im not defending the NSM by a long shot, just stating my opinions towards the idiots who would have ppl with tattoos (racial tattoos no less) out of this movement to attract some liberal or republicunt. Quality over quantity, and if theyve got tattoos, all power to em! and me!


Oh, and working out is most definatly important, Im quite the large White man, so take it from me (the ladies love it too!)

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Yes the stupid thing is that man cups there will only strengthen and enforce the image of Aryan racists as white trash and all the other system stereo types. I guess the nsm does not understand that image counts and that just about every white has been conditioned by propaganda to see us as a certain way. And shit like the nsm and man cups just makes the wall go up in there mind and your wasting your time. These so called rallies are just foot shooting events. Hell the nsm can not even wear there uniforms up to a decent standard. Thankfully the rightwing is dieing off.[/QUOTE]
How dare you criticize these brave men for having the courage to proudly wear the honorable uniforms of the Reich! What have YOU done, huh? HUH? Would YOU have the courage to show your proud manly boobs in public? HUH? No! That's cuz you're a fuckin' homo! Yeah i'll bet you like a big stiff cock rammed... *3 pragraphs of homoerotic graphic depiction*

Got it faggot?

[QUOTE=Chris.V]uh oh, Ive got tattoos, wear a gold bracelet, gold necklace anda gold ring.. (I would wear a suit to ANy rally, and have, dressing respectable IS most definatly important), so I guess I wont be accepted much here eh? hahahaha.. too bad, guess I'll have to stick to real life.. Lets continue to alienate Whites based on personal opinion! (IE, tattoos or jewelry) I laugh when I read threads like this, everytime.. it seems, atleast the guy with the tattoos had some balls to get off the computer and out ni real life, weather you all think he's doing any good or not. The day I see ANYONE here using theyre nice little usernames, out in about in real life, wearing your suits or whatever the fuck you want, is the day your critisim's dont fall on deaf ears to this WHITE MAN WITH TATTOOS.


Oh, and BTW, Im not defending the NSM by a long shot, just stating my opinions towards the idiots who would have ppl with tattoos (racial tattoos no less) out of this movement to attract some liberal or republicunt. Quality over quantity, and if theyve got tattoos, all power to em! and me![/QUOTE]
Chris, you've misread this thread. Nobody's got a problem with tatoos. We're just saying at LEAST wear a fuckin' shirt in public, especially to a political demo. That's all.

[QUOTE=Spengler]Chris, you've misread this thread. Nobody's got a problem with tatoos. We're just saying at LEAST wear a fuckin' shirt in public, especially to a political demo. That's all.[/QUOTE]



Ahhh, my misunderstanding bro, sorry... I guess I get touchy, as I hear ppl on the net say those of us with tats are too.. frontal, zog lemmings and the like, but Ive been in this scene for years now and no one says it to me in person... I get defensive about mah tattoos! lol :D , sorry for the misunderstanding,


Oh, and beside the tattoo thing (which I read wrong), I am agreed with everything else. The rallies I have gone to I have worn nice attire (IE, suit and tie, or at the very least, nice clothes), our shows we dress however we want, but those are meant for us, not attracting ppl to our cause.... I dont agree with the NSM's take on the uniforms as Ive always baught into that "my skin is my uniform" deal. I am most definatly agreed, that they should have dressed a hell of alot better, and for the sake of any lemmings who are trying to get recruited, maybe cover up the tats (of course the tats arent bad in the first place, but trying to attract ppl, I always see the average person may not like em).. especially if they are swasi's or the like... though, I dont mind the tats being shown if the person looks respectable.. hell, even when Im out on the street going to work or just to meet some friends, I look respectable.. nice clothe's, etc..etc... anyways, sorry for the misunderstanding, for the most part Im 100% agreed with this thread. Cheers 8814

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/Letters_files/grubby.jpg
[size=8]"White Power!!!"[/size]

[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/Letters_files/grubby.jpg[/QUOTE]





:eek:
lol
HOLY SHIT!

That is one ugly pic.

[QUOTE=gunter88]And to think...that dude was ONCE a "White" guy!? :D[/QUOTE]



:D And to think.......I can't even even say I've seen worse.

I am 100% against NSM bashing of any kind because I am one of the few W.N. left who still believe in brotherhood and unity even tho it doesn't seem to exist but in my head. To be fair to the subject of this thread, yes, that guy needs to wear a shirt and stop acting like a drunken redneck. He had to know the news would be there filming the entire thing, interviewing people and trying their best to make everyone look bad well they didn't need any help with this guy did they.

[QUOTE=gunter88]LOL now THAT is scary! I've always wondered where people that look like that work? :confused:

Hey he'd make a great poster-boy for an anti-drug campaign ie, "THIS IS YOUR BODY ON DRUGS" LOL[/QUOTE]


:D Can you imagine this guy walking down the road?! lol

[QUOTE=Heinrich Himmler SS]I am 100% against NSM bashing of any kind because I am one of the few W.N. left who still believe in brotherhood and unity even tho it doesn't seem to exist but in my head. To be fair to the subject of this thread, yes, that guy needs to wear a shirt and stop acting like a drunken redneck. He had to know the news would be there filming the entire thing, interviewing people and trying their best to make everyone look bad well they didn't need any help with this guy did they.[/QUOTE]

Well said!

We can count on the ZOG media to pick just one slightly bad apple out of a crowd of hundreds perfect white nationalists.

I don't want to bash this white, but next time it won't happen anymore. The SA did only drink afterwards, never during the rally as you can see in the Leni Riefenstahl movies.

:)

[QUOTE=999]Well said!

We can count on the ZOG media to pick just one slightly bad apple out of a crowd of hundreds perfect white nationalists.

I don't want to bash this white, but next time it won't happen anymore. The SA did only drink afterwards, never during the rally as you can see in the Leni Riefenstahl movies.

:)[/QUOTE]

As soon as the reporter started interviewing him, he SHOULD have deferred all comments to a more qualified (and better dressed) representative.

In the video he is described as "one of the organizers" of the event. If that is true then HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

[QUOTE=999]Well said!

We can count on the ZOG media to pick just one slightly bad apple out of a crowd of hundreds perfect white nationalists.

I don't want to bash this white, but next time it won't happen anymore. The SA did only drink afterwards, never during the rally as you can see in the Leni Riefenstahl movies.

:)[/QUOTE]



You know it's not just ZOG PICKING OUT ONE BAD APPLE.
We are not living in 1938 here! HEY, I'm glad these folks are white. I'm glad they are racialist <clap hands>. I'm glad they have the ideals they do have.
HOWEVER, this thing with the uniforms and all this other shit effects me!
Why does it effect me? I'll tell you why. For the very fact of my family, and friends that I have. These folks that I know are very open minded to my ideas and there is hope for them. That is untill they see folks like NSM. Then they come to me and say things like: "Damn is that what you guys are about? Is that how you guys act because if it is I don't want no part of it!
There's no way for me to react to that. There's nothing to say anymore at that point.
Thats just the way it is like it or not.
I'm glad they mentioned the jews.
Who did they reach though to our cause?
I'm sorry but white America is NOT interested in those uniforms. Not with everything else going on in the world right now.

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

We should always remember that the jew media WILL focus on our less favourable points.

[QUOTE=999]Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

We should always remember that the jew media WILL focus on our less favourable points.[/QUOTE]



Yep your right about that 999........

[QUOTE=999]Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

We should always remember that the jew media WILL focus on our less favourable points.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe the NSM should start with eliminating as many "less favorable" points as they can.

The Jews can't use anything we don't give to them.

Idiots. Yeah, you. Listen to the jew. Interviewer picked his target, and you are bamboozled. Get a fucking clue. YOU are the ones saying this man is a representative by agreeing with a jew. Good job. I guess you'd stand with the antis. Which aren't as photogenic as WWII vets.
Trash talk, and this ain't sports, sport.

Top it. That is a much better response. Public opinion is a wave. Any motion going our way is COMPLIMENTARY. Dress codes and tattoo limits? What kind of world do some here really want?
Personally not going to be the surfer waiting all day for the "perfect wave".

[SIZE=2] [COLOR=Navy]"Then maybe the NSM should start with eliminating as many "less favorable" points as they can."[/COLOR] [/SIZE]

The NSM shouldn't just eliminate its "less favorable points" - but eliminate ITSELF.

Don't want the tv viewing public to see NSM as representative of Whites, start your own group, and be better. Or you could sit around bitching about others. Show me where your opinions and splc's diverge. Looks the same from here.

Its a bit too early to get pissed yet. It's only just after 7pm. I don't normally start drinking till way after 8 pm :)

[QUOTE=heaven above]Its a bit too early to get pissed yet. It's only just after 7pm. I don't normally start drinking till way after 8 pm :)[/QUOTE]

I always wondered why the British meaning for “pissed” (i.e drunk) is different from our meaning for pissed.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Idiots. Yeah, you. Listen to the jew. Interviewer picked his target, and you are bamboozled. Get a fucking clue. YOU are the ones saying this man is a representative by agreeing with a jew. Good job. I guess you'd stand with the antis. Which aren't as photogenic as WWII vets.
Trash talk, and this ain't sports, sport.[/QUOTE]

Like I said before...

They guy SHOULD have said "no comment" and let the JewsMedia find another target.

I'm surprised the "Commander" isn't here calling you a Homosexual Jew ARA Invader who talks shit to people who do "something" ( :D ) for their race.

Personnaly I have never understood how someone who is proud of their white skin could cover themselves in tattoos of swastikas, skulls, snakes, dragons and monsters of every sort and then complain that they get no respect or credability. I have a tat that is easily hidden and have no problem with tats, but the fact is that society still views people covered in tats and piercings as freaks or weirdos (afreekin tribal art excluded) and the heeb media will always drag out the most fucked up guy in a crowd to represent whites. (ala jerry springer, geraldo, etc, etc). we must begin to look at the lemmings as impressionable children and treat them as such for the presnt time and therefore it is counter pruductive (IMHO) to scare them off with guys who look like they just staggered out of a mosh pit ! We must try to appear in public as intelligent ,sober, well groomed white men with a message of success and responsability. remember that the people we are trying to reach are easily frightened by anything different and we ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT, not just preach to the same old choir !

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Recruiting is good. But how much are you willing to soften the message in order to attract new folk? If you have to hold their hand now, how sturdy will they ever be?
When there is a loud noise, some run and hide. Others are compelled to find out what it was.
Toning down the message is geared toward attracting the former. Being in the later group, that is the kind of people I'd like around me. Men of action, not those who constantly need cajoled. I do realize this is a smaller group. tv is bashing our race mercilessly. Going to take men with considerable integrity to keep flushing the crap from their consciences. Not ones easily baffled by B.S.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/intellect_and_entertain/assets/face_ache.jpg[/QUOTE]



Oh my God, what a freak :eek:

Tatoos, jewelry, hair mouse, hair spray, conquistador boots, or cucumbers stuck down the crotch - I have never understood where working men find the time for such things. A little exercise never hurt anybody - fat asses on whitey is just what the opposition wants. Man tits suck. The guy in the original picture at the start of this thread does not represent anything that I want to be associated with.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Recruiting is good. But how much are you willing to soften the message in order to attract new folk? If you have to hold their hand now, how sturdy will they ever be?
When there is a loud noise, some run and hide. Others are compelled to find out what it was.
Toning down the message is geared toward attracting the former. Being in the later group, that is the kind of people I'd like around me. Men of action, not those who constantly need cajoled. I do realize this is a smaller group. tv is bashing our race mercilessly. Going to take men with considerable integrity to keep flushing the crap from their consciences. Not ones easily baffled by B.S.[/QUOTE]

As I said, lemmings are like children and need to be guided as easily as possible toward the right path. the message can be hardened as whites learn THE WHOLE TRUTH about what is going on in the world. The hardcore skinhead look tends to scare these people ! (I sport a skin job myself) I'm all for men of action but short of the apocolyptic situations some seem to hope for, our best hope is political change and that requires numbers !

Not concerned about lemmings, other than their standing in the way. After their current shepherd is removed, they will follow whatever replaces "him".
Educating the lemmings along the way is fine. But to limit your success by pinning it to sheeple awakening is a dead end. It was a struggle for myself to shrug off a lifetime of jew indoctrination. And I consider myself to be above lemming from the start, having a long personal history of distrusting the gov't. and media. Talk till you are blue in the face, then they watch one installment of "law and order".
As far as numbers from lemmings, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.