[size=3]A Bold Proposal: Christianity -- Ideal Anti-Judaic Weapon
Must Be Wrested From Pelagians! [/size]

by Apollonian

23 September 2004

How can patriots rescue our culture, people, and nation fm the Judaic-affected Decline of the West (see work of that title by Oswald Spengler)? Well, if such rescue can be done, it must be done by means of OBJECTIVE rule-of-law overthrowing Judaic fraud, subjectivism, and "hate crime." But purest reason is too difficult for so many of the volk. Thus Christianity must be made to work to SYMBOLIZE such objectivity, uniting our people, and this can well be done. For Christianity is the ideal weapon to be used against the enemies of our people, and the way to do this is to understand Christianity is not only anti-semitic, but especially anti-Pelagian. For the Pelagians are the real traitors and dupes among the gentiles who sell out Christianity and the volk in collusion with the Jews.

Presently Christianity is not sufficiently or properly understood as anti-semitic by far too many otherwise good people. Indeed Christianity is horribly misunderstood by far too many as being actually what it is against, yet another thing, Pelagianism, a gross heresy and fallacy entailing the delusion of "good-evil." Thus we see Christianity has actually been hijacked by the Pelagians, and that is why the Jews are allowed to run riot over and through the proper domain of the Christian volk and their inheritors. Hence we patriots must take control and understand Christianity for our purpose of revolution against the Judaic/Pelagian oppressor.

Yet another problem is Christianity is held in such low repute by admirers of German National Socialism and Adolf Hitler. But people must realize Hitler and the nazis were deliberately subsidized by the West for the purpose of beginning World War II, especially against the bolsheviks, and this is attested by the work of Antony C. Sutton (Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler), among others. Hitler, the nazis, and Germany were deliberately set-up in order to be knocked down, this for the purpose of building the United Nations (UN). Thus Hitler and the nazis, otherwise excellent folks, to be sure, have become such a great distraction and diversion fm Christianity for far too many among many of our most patriotic.

Note Christ was killed by the Pharisees and scribes of the Sanhedrin, charged with blasphemy, the Romans acting as enforcers and executioners. (Get that -- God charged with blasphemy by these kikes.) Christ objected to the perversion of the law "interpreted" (subjectivist "midrash") by the Pharisees in their hyporcrisy, and he demonstrated the law in accord with nature (and the "natural law" of the Greeks and Romans). Christ thus preached man created by God in an OBJECTIVE universe, humans properly acting in accord with each other by means of justice. The Pharisees preach God enamored of "the chosen people," the "apple" of God's eye, for whom God works according to "covenant" as attack-dog against anyone the Pharisees don't like -- narcissism in accord with subjectivism.

Observe the Jews are foremost utmost frauds, masters and controllers of the fraud culture founded upon subjectivism/moralism ("good-evil"), steered and controlled by the fractional-reserve money and banking (f-r m & b, the Fed) instrument/scam. Observe the Jews are so few in numbers compared with Christians and Musselmen -- who both came after the Jews -- why is this? Thus the Jews are necessarily so few as a criminal gang must be fewer as the enterprise wouldn't pay as well otherwise.

Thus the Jews are demonstrated so unmistakably as the fraud-masters they really are, but note they couldn't originate their enterprise without the prior HUBRIS of the host-suckers they take advantage of, a hubris borne of the culture's previous success and prosperity, the leaders of the people now become corrupt and perverse. And further, the Jews need the willing assistance of traitors and dupes among the gentiles -- like the Pelagians who believe they're so virtuous, "moral," and "good" in tolerating and abetting the Judaic disease among the volk.

Thus the fraud culture/complex (Judaic/Pelagian) is plotted, identified, and mapped, along with the perpetrators (Jews and Pelagians) and their hysterical mentality guided by their thoroughly perverse narcissistic/subjectivist religion (but not "evil" -- merely oriented in negative mode fm the host they prey upon, nature's way of eliminating the excess weaklings). Christianity is thus seen not as mere variant/version of such Judaic disease, but rather the antithesis/antidote, the reaction and solution. What happened historically was the success of Christianity in driving out Judaism through the medieval age led simply to hubris and perversion and the rise of Pelagianism which took over fm within, displacing the real essence of the Western culture (honesty, objectivity, loyalty, and rule-of-law) leading to the present fraud culture controlled and steered by f-r m & b, and the Judaic psychotics of the present-day.

CONCLUSION: We patriots must reclaim the essence of Christian objectivity, anti-semitism, and anti-Pelagianism by which the obnoxious Jews have been allowed back to infiltrate and infect the once vibrant, thriving culture and volk, now perverted and diseased with Pelagian/Judaic subjectivism and moralist "good-evil" delusion/fallacy by which fraud presently thrives. Nazi-inspired patriots are right to despise Pelagianism, but they shouldn't and must not mistake the disease for the original virtue, the honest and pure Christianity and anti-semitism which once worked with outstanding success in ridding the culture/society of Judaic insanity, corruption, hypocrisy, narcissism, and fraud. Christianity is the God-given tool by which to symbolize the real cultural value, OBJECTIVITY, and inspire the people against the fraud and corruption. Patriots must take due note and not lose the cultural/historical opportunity.

APOLLONIAN


http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2004b/Apollonian92304ChristPelag.htm

http://whtt.org/publications.htm

The ADL is going after this group, trying to keep them from speaking at Duke University. They have an email newsletter called Pharisee Watch, and this page lays it on the line about Pharisees (hypocritical, self righteous, and censoring).

It doesn't seem to be staged opposition - I didn't see any red flags there, anyway.

The New Testament was written in Greek. Therefore, it is part of Aryan heritage.

Communism - loved by jews, hated by Aryans. Failed.
Christianity - loved by Aryan Europe, hated by jews. Succeeded.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Christianity - loved by Aryan Europe, hated by jews. Succeeded.[/QUOTE]
--- Succeeded at what?


Pelagian

\Pe*la"gi*an\, n. [L. Pelagianus: cf. F. p['e]lagien.] (Eccl. Hist.) A follower of Pelagius, a British monk, born in the later part of the 4th century, who denied the doctrines of hereditary sin, of the connection between sin and death, and of conversion through grace.

[QUOTE=albion]--- Succeeded at what?
[/QUOTE]
Succeeded in dominance and has been a powerful world force for several centuries. White Nationalists won’t capitalize on the value of Christianity to our survival but then get mad when Jews do.

It is time to stop that “Christianity is for Jews” nonsense and realize that no WN movement is going anywhere without first realizing the importance of Christianity Past/Present/ and Future to the white race.

Who really things some Racist is going to rise out of the blue and every white person on earth will suddenly denounce Christianity?

How many white racists would fight over their freedom to worship? Don’t people realize you can be a racist and not bother White racists religion?

If the world was 100% white would Christianity be a problem? If you don’t want to be a Christian simply don’t become one but why spend hours ranting on those of us that are?




BTW this wasn’t directed at you Albion I just replied to your post and then went on my crusade for white righteousness. :)

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]The communist manifesto was written in Russian and German therefore it is part of Aryan heritage too. And so is anything a jew writes too as long as it is written in a white speech.[/QUOTE]


The New Testament is not only written in Greek it embodies a Hellenic metaphysic which suggests an ultimate objective reality that applies to all of nature, not one reality for Jews and another for the rest of the world. But, any time that has been explained some people pooh-pooh that as "universalism." Yes, well that's the same kind of universalism as universal laws of physics. They have their foundation in the same Greek philosophers, who were popularized in the middle east due to the conquest of Alexander, and the attempt by his successor Antiochus Epiphanes to abolish the Jewish cult in favor of that of Zeus Olympios, which is called the "Abomination of Desolation" by the Hebes. It was onto this stage that Christ made his advent. So, the Jews were right to call Christ a Hellenizer.

The historical origins of Christianity thus are Aryan as well as semitic. Spengler recognized this, talked about the synthesis of Classical and Magian that became the Western "Faustian" idea. We may not like that, but it is so. But fundamentally the idea of universal religion is an Aryan idea, not a Jew one. Buddhism is universal religion too, and it had even more definitively Aryan origins. Mohammed was simply imitating Christianity with Islam. Judes, have always rejected "universal" anything, that is why they are Judes. That's why they like Marxism and that's why Marxists loved Lysenko and in place of biology they fabricated Lysenkoism.

There's nothing about a universal metaphysics that implies that any national group particularly our own, doesnt have a right to live. We do, and it's not the univesalist metaphysics that hinders us from doing what it takes to assure that existence. So chasing that down is about as effective as tilting at windmills.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Succeeded in dominance and has been a powerful world force for several centuries. White Nationalists won’t capitalize on the value of Christianity to our survival but then get mad when Jews do.

It is time to stop that “Christianity is for Jews” nonsense and realize that no WN movement is going anywhere without first realizing the importance of Christianity Past/Present/ and Future to the white race.

Who really things some Racist is going to rise out of the blue and every white person on earth will suddenly denounce Christianity?

How many white racists would fight over their freedom to worship? Don’t people realize you can be a racist and not bother White racists religion?

If the world was 100% white would Christianity be a problem? If you don’t want to be a Christian simply don’t become one but why spend hours ranting on those of us that are? [/QUOTE]

The Rev. Dr. Marten can repeat until he is blue in the face that in his kosher spook religion for opiated cattle will be some sort of determinate of the "Future" of Aryan man, but then he's still going to have to pull a good stretch in Dr. AntiX's Deprogramming & Reeducation (D&R) clinic to get that Jewish shit out of his neck.

Nobody has said that supplanting the Jewish brain bomb with something more suitable to the character of Whites, for our welfare and survival, would be anything but generational. Mr. Hitler didn't attack the Xian beliefs of older generations of Germans, but he sure saw Xianity as Jewish poison and something that had to go. He merely saw to it that the youngsters in his Hitler youth organizations met on Sunday mornings. I sure wish now that there would have been healthful Hitler Youth meetings for me to attend as a youth on Sunday mornings instead of my being force fed the filthy, alien gruel slopped out to me at the Presbyterian Church and Sunday school.

Any nigger or Jew, any primate, practically, can be a Xian these days. Why in Bejeebus's name would any self-respecting White man seek his spiritual identity in a Jewish document, worship the mythical, circumcized "King of the Jews and his SuperJewSpook, Yahweh, just like the pond scum do? Weren't we White and in Europe for hundreds of generations before being infected with the mind poison from the Levant? It's fun to go back and discover in the Eddas and other pre-Xian European myths and legends just how heroic and in tune with the natural world were the belief systems of our ancestors when compared to Book of Jewish Fables -- that Book that Mr. Twain said was so filthy that it should only be opened while wearing gloves. Can you get any more American than Mark Twain, Rev. Dr. Marten?

Why do YOU want to bother with biological racists' strongly-held, rational beliefs and our "freedom to worship" and preserve our kind? Don't you realize that you can be a racist without bothering us Jew-fighters with your own private delusions, superstitions and your conversations with the Jewish tribal god? You appear to be the ranter, simply because we rebuke your whole Xian ball of wax -- ALL of it -- as anti-Nature and anti-Aryan and in the service of Jewish interests!

If, after the Revolution, the final Jew v. Gentile conflict, the world were 100% White, as you hypothesize, do you honestly believe that our progeny would still be on their knees, heads bowed, eyes slammed shut, singing Israel, Oh Israel, and turning their lives over to a miserable Jewish bastard of a "Savior," nailed, bleeding like a stuck pig to a couple of poles? Give us a break, Rev. Dr.

We can co-exist as racial comrades. If you can turn your Xian flock of lambs into Alpha wolves, fine, but otherwise you should just stay out of our way and we'll try to stay out of yours. Deal?

[QUOTE=albion]--- Succeeded at what?[/QUOTE]

Replacing traditional Indo-European values with absurd Jewish supernaturalism.

[QUOTE=White Will]The Rev. Dr. Marten[/QUOTE]
First of all it is Sean Martin not Rev or Marten.

Mr. Hitler didn't attack the Xian beliefs of older generations of Germans,
Because he was a Christian himself.

I sure wish now that there would have been healthful Hitler Youth meetings for me to attend as a youth
Well guess what, you past is over and there is only the future that can be determined by the actions of the present.

Any nigger or Jew, any primate, practically, can be a Xian these days.
They can be Atheists/Pagans also as more Jews are Atheists than Christians what is your point?

Nobody fights Christianity harder than the Jews, but they don't seem to really care a thing about Odin do they? Because they know it is a waste and there is not threat from Odinits.


Why in Bejeebus's name would any self-respecting White man seek his spiritual identity in a Jewish document, worship the mythical, circumcized "King of the Jews and his SuperJewSpook, Yahweh, just like the pond scum do?
Because Christians have constantly destroyed Pagans in mass numbers. Whites naturally flock to the powerful side or the one that has the most victories unless otherwise brain damaged.

Twain said was so filthy that it should only be opened while wearing gloves.
Twain had positive things to say about the bible if that is what you are talking about. I would like to see some proof and not some made up internet quote.

Why do YOU want to bother with biological racists' strongly-held, rational beliefs and our "freedom to worship" and preserve our kind?
Do you honestly believe that all of the sudden you are going to continue in your tried and true failed methods that have succeeded in landing people in jail? DO you honestly believe that all of the sudden everyone is going to denounce Christianity? Hitler didn't make them do it and you won't either. My point is that denying the importance of Christianity in the future of a WN movement is a death strike.

We can co-exist as racial comrades. If you can turn your Xian flock of lambs into Alpha wolves, fine, but otherwise you should just stay out of our way and we'll try to stay out of yours. Deal?
Stay out of the way of what? What exactly have you done? What laws have you changed? What communities have you claimed in the name of race?

Oh yeah when you are speeding by in the dead of night tossing flyers I will try not to get hit with one on it's way to the garbage can while I am knocking on people's doors personally handing them religious material like a true Aryan.


I have respect for you because of what Rounder has to say about you, but with talk like this you are not going to get anywhere other than a club of people meeting calling the Jew and nothing else.

Sean you really display your ignorance when you attempt to call Will Williams out on his deeds to emancipate White folks. You just touched on his strongest point. Quit embarassing yourself.

Sorry, Sean, no time to argue with you about the relative value of Jewish spookcraft to White survival or whether AH was a Bible-thumper (he surely wasn't at the end of his life).

I'll comment on this, however:

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]...Twain had positive things to say about the bible if that is what you are talking about. I would like to see some proof and not some made up internet quote.[/QUOTE]

Twain's quote I gave you isn't to be found in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, of course, or any other mainstream sources, but it's out there for us to find. I'll bet you $30 it's authentic without even doing a search. The loser has to order 250 more VNN tabloids from Glenn Miller. Deal?

This <ahem> "positive thing" that Twain had to say about your Holy Babble IS in Bartlett's Quotes, however:

"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."

and this:

"[Man] has imagined a heaven, and has left entirely out of it the supremest of all his delights...sexual intercourse!...His Heaven is like himself: strange, interesting, astonishing, grotesque. I give you my word, it has not a single feature in it which he 'actually values.'"

Ouch! Or this blasphemy:

"I believe that our Heavenly Father invented man because he was so disappointed in the monkey."

This isn't made up internet stuff, Sean. It's a small sampling of what Twain thought about your Bible and put in writing. You should see what Mr. Hitler had to say about Christinsanity in his "secret conversations" in the 1940's.

As for your prediction that my rational, Nature-based approach will not attract others just because it doesn't appeal to the hymn-singing boobs who hate a new and contrary idea, Mr. Twain offers up one of my favorite quotes:

"In the beginning of a cause the patrriot is scorned, despised and hated. But once his cause catches on everyone will join because then it is easy to join."

Pardon me for butchering his words, but I'm paraphrasing that one from memory. Think about that, Sean. You can't repudiate or even question small details of your dogmatic beliefs because your flock of lambs would seek out a new shepherd to reinforce their crutch, their "escape hatch," as David Lane put it, post haste. When your strong beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny or ridicule, it might just be time to take another look at those strong beliefs, eh?

No wonder Williams like Twain so much.


Quotations of Mark Twain
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Following the Equator / 1897)

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast"
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906)

"Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / in Mark Twain: A Biography, of Albert Bigelow Paine / 1912)

"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it..."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / The War Prayer)

"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Mark Twain and the Bible)

"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Letters from the Earth)

"There are many scapegoats for our sins, but the most popular one is Providence."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Notebook / 1898)

"One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads have believed it. They also believed the world was flat."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Notebook)

"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Autobiography / 1959)

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / in The "Wit and Wisdom, of Mark Twain of Alex Ayres / 1987)

"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would have made all good, and no bad."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

""In God We Trust." I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Sean you really display your ignorance when you attempt to call Will Williams out on his deeds to emancipate White folks. You just touched on his strongest point. Quit embarassing yourself.[/QUOTE]
I simply asked what law he helped to change. I am ignorant of this subject true and I would like someone to enlighten my ignorance so I would not have to claim this any longer.

What law has any racist other than David Duke (Christian of the Church of Christ) helped to change in the past 20 years.

I am asking for help and you point out that I am ignorant of this subject, something I already knew but no help.

Will ignores the topic completely.

IF these law changes are some secret that only a few in the know are privileged to tell me so I will no longer embarrass myself or others by asking what law they changed.

I know it may be embarrassing to ask someone what laws they have helped to change for the benefit of the white race, which is really the only way we are going to accomplish anything. He is a grown man and can answer for himself I simply want to know what Non-Christians have really done for the movement.






I don’t doubt you AE but here is another thing you could enlighten me on.

How could a group of Christian haters with a number of 10,000 (I am being very generous here) rise to greatness overthrow the Jews, destroy the 200,000,000 Christians, and then have time left to destroy all the Muslims 700,000,000 at my last count. You honestly believe that they are going to defeat all the racist Christians also? We are the most powerful section of the movement, and the reason he avoided my questions is because he knows he cannot answer them.

Without the power and backing of Christians nothing the WN movement does is going to be of any prominence.

It should be a race thing but some people cannot see that and that is why we are in the fix we are in.

While Twain was not a racial hero, but more of a drunken poet and his words don't really mean anything to me, we know how he felt about blacks in huckleberry Finn with a naked young boy and naked adult groid on a boat calling each other honey. That could be why Williams likes him so much or you for that matter, he was a sorry excuse for a white man as far as any racist should be concerned.

So instead of answering what racist atheist has gotten laws changed for the better you two can go off on a tangent with your hero that glorified the black male like no other. Twain blazed precedents in free speech with his raft story, and you can gather around the next NA bonfire or whatever it is you do and tell naked black male stories to each other.

I am trying to be civil here but so-called racists glorifying a race traitor like Twain just gets to me.

What kind of racist would turn on a racist Christian for a race traitor like Twain, and people wonder why the movement is in the mess it is in.

[QUOTE=Steve B]No wonder Williams like Twain so much.
Quotations of Mark Twain
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Following the Equator / 1897)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]

So instead of answering what racist atheist has gotten laws changed for the better you two can go off on a tangent with your hero that glorified the black male like no other. Twain blazed precedents in free speech with his raft story, and you can gather around the next NA bonfire or whatever it is you do and tell naked black male stories to each other. [/QUOTE]

I rather doubt that that will happen since the only thing Will and I dislike more than each other, is niggers....and jews!

[QUOTE=Steve B]I rather doubt that that will happen since the only thing Will and I dislike more than each other, is niggers....and jews![/QUOTE]
That was actually one of the better comebacks I have witnessed on VNNF.

You don't know Mark Twain, but you know your grandparents and they are probably fine Christian people. Some Pagans -

http://www.autumnfarm.com/archives/2002-3/album%202002-3%20gaycamp/images/painted-pagans.jpg

Oh, wait a minute, these are lesbo jews!

http://arizona.indymedia.org/uploads/rally_005.jpg

William Pierce was arguably the smartest White Nationalist to come out of America. And what was HIS opinion on Christianity?

[QUOTE=prozak]William Pierce was arguably the smartest White Nationalist to come out of America. And what was HIS opinion on Christianity?[/QUOTE]
Brought to White Nationalism by the very Christian George Lincoln Rockwell.

We can’t help it that Pierce fell away from true racism as taught him by the great GLR.

And then I discovered Hitler was a Christian like me
GLR in an interview on television, source solar general.


BTW what law was Pierce instrumental in getting changed, and what public offices did he run for? Other than a book club what exactly did he do in the way of activism?


I am sincerely asking people somebody help me out here.

[QUOTE=Vlad]This is guilt by association, a red herring.

You're making yourself look like a dunce with such logical fallacies. I'm sure it appears you've made a good point with this 'jews-are-pagans-too' among fellow christian untermensch who naturally don't know any better.

You continually sabotage your own conclusion with such a false premise to those of us who know better. Stop being a bible clown and get an education.[/QUOTE]

Oh, exsqueeze me - that guy in the photo with a beard is not a fag jew with a purse, he is really the head of the local yeshiva. He came by to spit on the runestones. That's why he is so happy, he just hocked a big loogie on Tiwaz. Ahahaha!

[QUOTE=Vlad] There were racists who happened to be christians, that's it.
[/QUOTE]
Great white leaders just happened to be Christian, great white authors just happened to be Christian, Great white painters just happened to be Christian, great white musicians just happened to be Christian.

Yeah I see the pattern, but they were not serious about it, right?

They just happened to be there and Christianity just happened to be there, and it is nothing more than a mere coincidence, as a matter of fact anything that connects in history is mere coincidence. They Holy Wars was fought just because some people happened to be Christians.

Hey how about this, I was racist but not against Jews until I just happened to become a Christian and began studying about the Jews.

Wow what a coincidence. Without Christianity I may have simply been prejudiced against blacks and nothing else.

Now let me see if I understand your logic. Christianity doesn’t have any influence on your creativity, while others claim creative geniuses were hobbled by Christianity. But it doesn’t change the person you really are. However it is changing people by the thousands and turning them into Jew worshipers. While you say that no one through out history was changed except in a religious practice only.

Oh I understand now. Wow you convinced me. You know what I am going to do. I have a brand new $20 ZOG buck in my pocket and after I get done preaching tomorrow I am going to wander in the locally and white owned diner and buy me and my puppy a big steak each to celebrate. What will you be doing tomorrow?

"It was after the jeboo curtain got lifted off Europe with the rebirth that our race started to advance again."

What year was this?

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]...........
]BTW what law was Pierce instrumental in getting changed, and what public offices did he run for? Other than a book club what exactly did he do in the way of activism?

I am sincerely asking people somebody help me out here.[/QUOTE]

If you dont know the answer to that, you are even more ignorant than you previously seemed,.

Oh I forgot. A cage: you were in it.

Your homework assignment: goto natvan.com and read all of WLP's writings

http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/

http://www.natvan.com/national-vanguard/

Now, when you are done with that, buy yourself about 300 VNN tabloids and hand them out. Figure out how to do it, get it done without getting arrested or beat up.

Then you can come back here and if you like, ask that foolish question again.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]If you dont know the answer to that, you are even more ignorant than you previously seemed,.
[/QUOTE]
Apparently you are just as ignorant as I am as you cannot answer my question.

About the links been there done that can’t find one single thing Saint Pierce did for his race except making millions by shucking hard working skinheads.

How many ZOG bucks did he shuck you out of AE?

I'm not a skinhead. And if I gave them money I'm not bragging to you about it.

But I will say I have received a fair deal on many fine books available nowhere else.

I doubt you're going to do your homework, so I'll "ignorantly" answer your question:

1) he didnt run for office because he didnt lend his sanction to the system which he regarded as fundamentally flawed and not worth participation or repair

2) he didnt change laws except that in trying to hound him ceaselessly, jews and their lackeys did much legal manouvering, which has proven their agenda to disenfranchise whites of our consititutional freedoms. case in point US v National alliance, a case I reprinted at this forum, so you wont even have to hunt for it for long. this case proves, literally and abundantly proves jewish bias and that the US government has a deliberate policy of denying White folks equal protection and treatment under our laws.

You'll have plenty of company mocking WLP pretty much anywhere you go but VNN where we know how to appreciate a selfless heroic man devoted to our group well being.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
1) he didnt run for office because he didnt lend his sanction to the system which he regarded as fundamentally flawed and not worth participation or repair[/QUOTE]
So he didn't want to make a real change just write books and cash checks.

I wasn’t talking about just Luther, I was talking about any Atheist or Pagan racist. I wasn’t talking about running for office either.

You don’t have to be a politician to be instrumental in getting a law changed.

Sure WLP made millions and produced some good books, videos and cassettes (many of which I have in my library). I don’t doubt that and he made a very nice living doing so.

My question is what have people in the racist movement (pick anyone non-Christian) done to actually change one law?

That shouldn’t be a difficult question. You answered by telling me that WLP didn’t believe in politics. Was he the only Racist non-Christian?

I don’t know if it is some sort of big secret or a big cover up for as NorCal says 50 years of failure.



BTW GLR doesn’t count either, as he was a professed Christian.


2) he didnt change laws except that in trying to hound him ceaselessly, jews and their lackeys did much legal manouvering, which has proven their agenda to disenfranchise whites of our consititutional freedoms. case in point US v National alliance, a case I reprinted at this forum, so you wont even have to hunt for it for long. this case proves, literally and abundantly proves jewish bias and that the US government has a deliberate policy of denying White folks equal protection and treatment under our laws.
So the only laws he managed to help change actually did more harm to whites than good.


Shouldn’t you be off counting beads or rosary with your brother John Kerry?

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]If the doc did not exsist I would have to create him. lol[/QUOTE]
I really didn't understand that. But it was funny.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]So he didn't want to make a real change just write books and cash checks.

I wasn’t talking You don’t have to be a politician to be instrumental in getting a law changed.

Sure WLP made millions and produced some good books, videos and cassettes (many of which I have in my library). I don’t doubt that and he made a very nice living doing so.

My question is what have people in the racist movement (pick anyone non-Christian) done to actually change one law?
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So the only laws he managed to help change actually did more harm to whites than good.

Shouldn’t you be off counting beads or rosary with your brother John Kerry?[/QUOTE]

You know, you shouldnt attribute the fact that people make fun of you here to the fact that you are a Christian, you should attribute it to the fact that you are dense. Dont blame your arrogance, your inability to listen and learn, or your general oafishness on Jesus.

I'll recap a few points, you stupidly fail to appreciate having heard them many times.

1 WLP did not live rich. He left a secure life in one of society's most cherished positions, that of a tenured university professor. I wouldnt expect you to understand that being from a cage in Possum Holler or whatever, but from that exalted position he went on to better pay as a rocket scientist for Rockwell. Not GLR, but Rockwell the defense contractor. Google that if you're still not getting it. From there, he walked away from excellent money for the low pay long hours and social opprobrium of full time WN activism.

Up on the mountain, he lived in a fucking trailer for the rest of his life. Maybe you like trailers, but I dont. WLP lived in a fucking trailer and plowed his NA surpluses back into NA. You insult many people who knew this from personal experience and have said so here, when you fail to appreciate and recognize this fact. I've given you the benefit of the doubt but Im starting to wonder if youre a troll. Up for any tabloids?

2. As for him changing the law, what I said clearly flew over your head. WLP was a revolutionary and yes, things got worse because of him, but as an Enemy of the system and not a reformer, that was part of the mission.

Now I dont expect an uneducated yokel like you to have the intellect of a William Pierce, but if you are a hard worker you would have at least have gone back and read US v National Alliance, and if you werent so dense you might be able to appreciate that such a well known apellate case has given the lie to the thin verneer of fairness that the IRS claims it extends to Whites, and doesnt, in practice. And that thousands of people whose job it is to work with notforprofit outfits like CHURCHES would have read such a case. In fact, if you were a RACIST PREACHERMAN like you says you are, YOU might do well to take my advice and go read this case and learn a thing or two about who gets 501c3 status and who doesnt.

NO CHARGE for that free lesson Sean. If you are well meaning I will ask you to buy $30 worth of tabloids instead. If you are not well meaning, you can poke fun at my affection for Catholicism some more and then go back to whatever you do in Possum Holler. Snakehandling?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes] In fact, if you were a RACIST PREACHERMAN like you says you are,[/QUOTE]
Yasser I's be's a racist preacher man. We's holler at dem Jews up here in the holler three times a week, we's even do's it more during revival weeks. Possum Holler, how very Momus of you. Speaking of which where is he, surely he would be here by your side like an obedient lap dog.

AE has been in a tizzy because I insulted his fossil of a hero who can defy all ballistic tests and updated reports to claim the 45 acp is still the best hand gun. You know that old fossil Cooper who probably thinks Glock is a German clock.

Hey use that comeback AE you know the one “tell us about that mile range 22 long rifle”. Yeah you are a part of a shooting club, so that makes you an expert as compared to someone that lives in an area everybody has at least one gun.

You think because you throw a couple a hundred ZOG bucks at pagans they actually like you? They don’t think any higher of the Catholic belief than what I believe.

You know Jew Kerry is Catholic, wonder why you don’t see any Jews in the CofC. Perhaps the catholic organization fits them better. Probably because those priests make those alter boys wear dresses while wearing dresses themselves for easy access.

Believe me I dislike the Catholics worse than any pagan on this board. They just hate Christianity in general but Catholics make all true Christians look bad.

Yeah AE you can throw money at people get them to like you and then cause everyone else to kiss up to you, but the Doc will never be part of your back patting club.

I have managed to make it past Georgie (who’s hero burns churches) and R-Mac our resident pagan Chaplin, and Demonica who’s name speaks for itself.

And I will probably be banned at the hands of a Catholic, who didn’t do squat while the Banned Gunter spamed the board under a different identity.

Go ahead and give me the speech, or hit the ban or ignore button I really don’t care. Unlike you I know my place and don’t try to pretend people like Pierce and Linder who hate Christianity would actually like me.

AE before you hit that BAN button just know this of all the thousand plus people on this board I was the first (or at least the first since I arrived) that could make you lose your cool and lower yourself to Momus standards.

It doesn’t matter if the reaction is good or bad as long as you get a reaction.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]AE before you hit that BAN button just know this of all the thousand plus people on this board I was the first (or at least the first since I arrived) that could make you lose your cool and lower yourself to Momus standards.

It doesn’t matter if the reaction is good or bad as long as you get a reaction.[/QUOTE]

Dont flatter yourself kid. I'm not going to ban you, people would be mad for taking their pinata away. And you overestimate your "reaction."

I will say this. The shit you say is so ridiculous, and wrong, I am starting to question your whole on screen persona. In all sincerity, I wonder if you arent a fiction of some Jewish screenwriter's imagination, who is here pulling our chain for fun. If so, ya got me jewboy, I almost believed the Sean persona was bona fide for a minute. LOL

Now I will try to return to ignoring you.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Dont flatter yourself kid. [/QUOTE]
Ok grandpa.

I'm not going to ban you, people would be mad for taking their pinata away.
Oooh Net bashing, yeah like it really hurts me.
And you overestimate your "reaction."
So my thoughts on the pederast priests and such isn’t going to do it. Shoot what do I have to do to get a reaction around here.
I am starting to question your whole on screen persona.
So?
I almost believed the Sean persona was bona fide for a minute. LOL
LOL I am fairly sharp to fool you aren’t I? Trust me you would be knocked out of your seat.
Now I will try to return to ignoring you.
Thank you as that is all I wanted in the first place.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]AE before you hit that BAN button just know this of all the thousand plus people on this board I was the first (or at least the first since I arrived) that could make you lose your cool and lower yourself to Momus standards.

It doesn’t matter if the reaction is good or bad as long as you get a reaction.[/QUOTE]

LOL. The term "troll" has never been officially defined here but I think Sean/Doc has just defined it by example: a poster who comes solely to piss everyone off, and then boasts when he succeeds.

Oh, and how disappointing to find this of all places here in "Positive Christianity," for which so many of us had such high hopes.

FS

touche

Oh lordy lordy lou. Meow and hiss! Typical cat fights on the positive Christian board. And we have digressed from ‘tit for tat’ to ‘one up on I’ of who’s the better white nationalist. Egad, ya are like a bunch of hens! lol Is all the hot air out yet?

And give me a break. Who really is the troll on these positive christianity threads? Non believers once again show that they will not allow Christians to tend to their own flocks without typical rants of Jeboo and Jewus. Dr. Antichrist is certainly the troll on this thread. http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=10709
We have all heard the arguments, nothing new. Everyone knows how ya’s little clic of non believers thinks, we know your beef cause each thread turns into this same argument between two parties who either should be ignoring each other while working within their own camps or working together.

White Will says it best….
We can co-exist as racial comrades. If you can turn your Xian flock of lambs into Alpha wolves, fine, but otherwise you should just stay out of our way and we'll try to stay out of yours. Deal?

Actually I thought this was the plan of the positive Christianity forum. And let’s get this thread back on subject that Christianity can be an anti Semitic weapon. Those that disagree with this statement and the idea of the thread, well we all know who you are, we have all heard it before so why don’t ya give it a rest and maybe, just maybe other white nationalist christians might join into the thread.
Any who, religion is just a way to self empowerment. It can be used to produce Alpha wolves. George Washington was a good Christian man as well as a strong leader. Though I know there are many on this board that has no use for Christianity, there are many who do use it. I myself have no interest in converting anyone, but I have no interest in giving up my families’ traditional religion either. And I ain’t going to give it up just cause some silly willies on a white nationalist board say so, hell that is what the New World Order wants me to do. lol I come from traditionalist Baptist who refers to the jews as Christ killers. That be pretty anti-semitic. Our flocks have been hijacked by this crazy judeo Christian fad. That is the subject of this thread. Jesus warns us of such things.
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way , the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice; and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them; but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily , I say unto you , I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in , he shall be saved, and shall go in and out , and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and they they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I an the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

The clergy embrace the jew as our tribe. Fools they be. I had a good laugh one day when my pastor told me he was going to a conference to discuss the problem of the media and Christianity. They all embrace the Jew as their own too stupid to realize the jews are the ones that run the media.

We patriots must reclaim the essence of Christian objectivity, anti-semitism, and anti-Pelagianism by which the obnoxious Jews have been allowed back to infiltrate and infect the once vibrant, thriving culture and volk, now perverted and diseased with Pelagian/Judaic subjectivism and moralist "good-evil" delusion/fallacy by which fraud presently thrives.

My thoughts exactly and I believe this is the subject of this thread, not cat fights between non believers and believers.