[This is certainly one of the top five blogs out there for pure quality of writing, humor, and all around editorial goodness. That said, SWB is Christian, and while it laments anti-White practices of most of the modern church, it also attacks good old-fashioned evidence-based WNism. It turns out, you see, everybody needs a savior. I didn't think I did, but WSB says I do. WSB also says that pride is worse than humility, and that the road of fighting back will lead to...bloodshed. You're only able to do acts of great heroism if you're a Jeboo fan, we are instructed. There's a least one obvious factual mistake in what WSB says, which is a point that I have never been able to get the Jesus clowns to address, and that is the fact that the birthrate in Nazi Germany was considerably higher than in Jewish Germany (Weimar) or Christian Germany. If NS is a philosophy of death, and Christianity of life, why, then, were NS German women so likely to breed? The Christian fool says that pride goeth before a fall, but the intelligent White man observes that pride goeth before a rise, too. The danger is not in pride but in failing to check one's ideas against reality, lest one be led dangerously astray.]

St. Boniface Versus Thor’s Sacred Oak Tree

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Eddy Morrison of the National Front has written the Eight Principles of White Nationalism. Much of it is very agreeable, and while we do identify as White Nationalists, it is necessary to point out that Kinists disagree vehemently with these two points:

Our race comes above all.

We have a philosophy that teaches that we are but another link in the gradual evolution of man towards a higher state.

(I don’t really understand point 7, so I’ll leave it alone.)

Nietzsche believed that the Bible promotes a slave mentality that Christians adopted from Jews, and it was this slave mentality that caused them to emasculate themselves. He was woefully ignorant of actual Christian history, but he was half-right, and dangerously half-wrong. The Word of God teaches us to serve one another, and it was steady service and self-sacrifice throughout our generations that produced what we know as the West. All the wealth being squandered even today is embezzled from that account. Foolish, neo-pagan racialists are attempting to replace the one true faith of the West with Nietzsche’s false, man-made faith, and if they are ever successful, they will certainly not end up with anything that resembles our civilization. One does not feed widows and orphans with a man-centered faith that is a phony excuse for selfish gene propagation, and which, on the rare occasions when it has progressed beyond the level of theory and become a foundational principle, has been responsible for some of the greatest bloodshed the world has ever known. Statism and national socialism will always be the result of this false faith. It will once again place our race at death’s door, because white nations will slaughter each other in exercise of their “masculine” religion. But the Lord Jesus Christ showed us true masculinity, offering Himself up as the sacrificial Lamb for the sins of His people. Neo-pagans are ignorant of what Christ, the apostles, and prophets actually taught and did (thus the need for Kinists), yet they ask me to reject my Savior; the Savior of my wife, the Savior of my children, the Savior of my grandchildren, the Savior of my people.

For example, Anthony Hilton, writing in TOQ unfortch, considers Christianity to be “fundamentally a malevolent Jewish stratagem for emasculating goyim.” He asks: “Why in the world would any sane person value, desire, or want to emulate what Christ recommended?” He recommends a new Golden Rule: “He who has the gold makes the rules.” Never fear! Hilton is allowing us to “keep the harmless features of Christianity.” What a relief. The Occidental Press is now pushing the stupid, ahistorical, and blasphemous idea that pride is better than humility, might makes right, and ruthlessness is better than servanthood. Since the people of Europa will not live without religion (curse them), the best Darwinists and Nietzcheans among us need to get together for a weekend with some kegs of Heineken and “develop a religious alternative to Christianity.” Since every religion needs rituals, the new Hilton religion will look to paganism and Druidism in order to “be more consistent with scientific knowledge” yet exude a “hopeful, optimistic view of life.” Yes, whenever I think of human sacrifice in wicker men, reincarnation, and mistletoe promoting fertility, the first word that comes to mind is Science. And though the sorcerers, astrologers, and philosophers who were the proto-Druids in Pharaoh’s court were utterly powerless against God’s messenger, Moses, I’m sure they were vibrant members of the local community. They might have even founded a glee club.

A slogan recently seen on a T-shirt, “Fighting Solves Everything,” may be an oversimplification. But the attitude is a good one. Inculcate it in your children.

Hilton is confident that the West can be saved with this fabulous new t-shirt religion once a team of evolutionary psychologists makes the case “that our values and morals” have “evolved biologically. Actually, David Hume pretty much figured this out back in the eighteenth century.” This will be so much more effective than Jesus Christ taking upon His innocent body the sins that would damn us all to hell. Jesus only did this because He knew nothing of eighteenth-century philosophy. If Hume had been around to explain to Him that morals evolve over time, He would have realized that there are no sins; there are only depressed genes. So turn that frown upside down, Gene!

I’m tempted to laugh at this nonsense, but there are many in the pro-white crowd who take it seriously. Mankind has been down the same prideful road countless times, and some people never learn. It will all come to nothing, not only because this is what it deserves, but because we already know the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The sheep follow the Shepherd. They will not follow a stranger. When St. Patrick banished animal sacrifices to demons and rid Ireland of the polytheism and animism that held our people in bondage, the dog did not return to its vomit.

Until Christ came, no one had ever opened the eyes of a man born blind or raised the dead to life. As Paul reminded Agrippa, these things were not done in a corner. Hilton must think that ancient paganism was swept from Europe on a wave of new superstition that replaced the old, but he is not above returning to the old superstition as long as it serves his purpose in disposing of the new superstition, which he perceives as emasculating. Here is where we encounter the curiosity of fallible men of finite intelligence, limited to natural dimensions, arrogantly dismissing that which supercedes their senses. They understand neither what the Bible actually says nor how the gospel of redemption utterly transformed Europe, from the small to the great; but these neo-Druids, these learned sages, are going to lead us into a new dawn of liberty with nothing more than the golden calf of the Caucasian Gene.

We are Kinists. We are not neo-pagans. Make sure you understand the difference. If there is no such thing as sin and damnation, nor of election and eternal reward, then the white race is an accident, love is a viral infection, truth is relative, beauty is an island of proportionality in a sea of chaos, logic is no more meaningful than a 5 a.m. dream, and purpose is a phantom. Richard Dawkins says it requires courage to face these facts, even though courage itself is meaningless if Dawkins is correct. But if, for the sake of argument, it is true that we are crawling like bugs on the surface of an accidental ball of cosmic dust, and that which is “good” is that which fills our bellies, it must require mental retardation to be a white nationalist. The old Christian Europeans understood very well the reasons why they had to survive, and the story of their redemption is a constant theme running through the best music, art, poetry, architecture, and scientific advances the world has ever known. Bach honored his Savior through his music, and he was not emasculated in the slightest. Charles Martel’s purpose for living was not merely to rescue European genes. It was to rescue Christendom and civilization. He was the crucial supporter and protector of St. Boniface, the apostle of the Germans. And with Boniface, German idolatry fell.

Heroes like Charles Martel are not produced by atheism and skepticism. Instead, these ideologies produce terrorists like Joseph Stalin. Anyone who thinks the West is in need of another 20th-century-sized dose of atheist philosophy is in serious need of a cranial-rectal extraction. Any organization that professes to aid the West by foisting such bullshit upon it should close its doors and its website for the betterment of mankind.

Next time I’ll tell you what I really think.

If pagans, atheists, libertarians, and other failed ideologues want to be taken seriously, all they need to do is show us one example of a society that has been formed on these principles and has thrived, has encouraged childbirth, has cared for the poor, has improved education, has built wealth, and has done all the other things that numerous Christian societies have done. They are disingenuous when they speak affectionately of “religion,” for they don’t believe in anything beyond the material. It is all for the sake of expediency. Here is the real question that Anthony Hilton and other neo-pagans need to answer for a curious public: If you lie about religion, why should anyone trust what you say about race?

Racism!

A friend passes along this definition of racism from the Fourth Assembly of the World Council of Churches, 1968:

By racism we mean ethnocentric pride in one’s own racial group and preference for the distinctive characteristics of that group; belief that these characteristics are fundamentally biological in nature and are thus transmitted to succeeding generations; strong negative feelings towards other groups who do not share these characteristics coupled with the thrust to discriminate against and exclude the out group from full participation in the life of the community… By white racism we mean the unconscious belief in the inherent superiority of persons of Euro-ancestry…which entitles all white people to a position of dominance and privilege, coupled with the belief in the innate inferiority of all darker peoples, especially those of African ancestry, which justifies their subordination and exploitation.

In 1991, the WCC declared that “racism, one of the most dreadful of human sins, is incompatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

A number of things can be said about this. First, notice the first line in the definition, about pride (more properly regard and affection) and preference for one’s own. This alone is sufficient to be condemned as “one of the most dreadful of human sins,” even though it accurately describes the instincts of almost every person on earth, in all places and times. The parts about “inherent superiority” and “innate inferiority” are left undefined, as usual, and so responding to the accusations is designed to be futile. We will only say that this is nonsense. There is no such thing as a “superior gene” or an “inferior gene,” as even Dr. Rushton will tell you. This is like saying that the sun is superior to the moon. There is certainly a difference in heat, light, and size, but the purpose of the sun makes the purpose of the moon no less important. The WCC is really opposed to the concept of difference.

Our friend very astutely observes that if racism is an “unconscious belief” then denial of racism is actually proof of racism.

And here is a question to ponder: What other “unconscious” beliefs could be among “the most dreadful of human sins”? I always thought that rape and murder were two of the most dreadful sins imaginable, but those don’t qualify because rapists and murderers are quite conscious of their actions. And yes, they are actions, not merely beliefs. Are there really beliefs that are as horrendous? And how could anything be called a “belief” if it is held unconsciously? Wouldn’t that be more like an instinct? I realize that these are racist questions that only a racist engorged on racism would ask, but if you think I’m bad, you should hear my Auntie Semmitt.

The WCC’s solution for ridding the world of this stealthy cancer of the mind is to “support resistance movements, including revolutions, which are aimed at the elimination of political or economic tyranny which makes racism possible.” Fidel Castro just called and is threatening to sue the WCC for copyright infringement.

Tim Harris asks Ken Ham why a distinction between superior and inferior must “entail hatred or a desire for genocide.”

…[T]he desire for racial separation does not necessarily imply a sense of racial superiority, any more than separating squabbling children… Think: let it be that the Aryan is inferior to the other races. Fine: now can we have our own country? Indeed, if there is any legitimacy to desiring to see one’s tribe continue qua tribe into the future, then the desire for separation would only become stronger when said tribe is mingled with a superior and dominating rival tribe.

Ham’s “meme-planting intent…is clear: if you want to live where you can raise your children far away from Negroes, then you are equivalent to a Nazi, acting like Hitler.”

Superiority versus inferiority has never been the issue when hostile and deleterious races have been expelled from any country down through history. Do you think Ferdinand and Isabella took a moment to wonder whether Jews and Muslims are human or sub-human? Of course not. It was their job to protect their people. Do you think a divergent evolutionary path was a criteria for Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback? Ridiculous.

If [Hitler] had heard that the Slavs regarded their race as superior, I suspect [he] would have taken that with bemused humor. He would not have cared if you did not agree that the Aryan was superior. Indeed, he would probably respect you more if you held a similar view of your own race. Think of C.S. Lewis’ friends observing that the men of every nation believe their own women the most beautiful, when one of the old ones murmured, “Yes…but in our case, it is true.”

The question of Jewish genetic advancement would not have changed Hitler’s intent. But Ken Ham, like the rest of the lying preachers out there who babble endlessly about things they don’t understand, tells lies in order to sell books. It doesn’t even take much thought or effort to whip the sheep into a panic by chanting the Hitler-Nazi-holocaust refrain. It is what Tim calls a “cheap rhetorical trick.”

The point is, that Ham’s pulling of the H-card is confused and probably exploitative of current political shibboleths; it cannot be marshaled to his thesis about evolution, or even race… The Hitler treated by the Hamites is actually just a cartoon character created by Hollywood… It is a stock character, to be dragged out on demand from the back-stage closet, like “the Mummy” or “the Vampire”…

One gets the feeling that Ham never tests his premises by the free variation of imagination. After a while, one starts to wonder if he is just a cliché-monger, not a thinker at all… A Christian should be doubly careful to be fair and just in his treatment of his enemies, knowing the proneness of human nature to self-deception… This is a very serious matter. If people claiming to be Christians continue to do it after being corrected, the credibility of their profession will eventually need to be questioned.

You must read it. Tim scores again. “Cliché-monger” is the absolute perfect word to describe Ken Ham.

[the above is studded with links]
http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/st-boniface-versus-thors-sacred-oak-tree/

[What is this proclivity Christians have for lying? I have never understood it.]

The Christian claims:

One does not feed widows and orphans with a man-centered faith that is a phony excuse for selfish gene propagation

Here's a picture of the NS's Winterhilfe (winter-help) in action:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-12539,_Berlin,_Winterhilfe_der_Reichswehr,_Kinderspeisung.jpg

Bless my soul, I believe the evil atheist NS are feeding little kids. How can they do that? Don't they know they are selfish geneist bloodshedders?

SWB's arguments are the same old Christian bragging/lying: No one ever breathed until Christianity. No one ever invented anything. No one ever thought. No one ever cooked food. No one ever was nice to his neighbor, looked after his kids, fought to defend his community - no one ever did anything good until Christianity appeared.

It ain't true.

You can take this to the blood bank:

What's good in Christianity ain't new, and what's new in Christianity ain't good.

Note too that poof! go the Greeks, if you listen to the Christian bigot. They're in the garbage can. You're only a Westerner if you believe in composite Jesus.

What's not Western is believing in things because you want to rather than because they're true - that's something the lowest nigger animist can boast. What's Western is grasping there are objective laws beyond our feelings or impressions. Christianity is not an advance, it is a retreat.

It will once again place our race at death’s door, because white nations will slaughter each other in exercise of their “masculine” religion.

Ain't Christian illogic a wonderful thing? It's like Hillary's stock trades - she's assigned the winners, and some unsuspecting sap the losers. White nations fought all through the last 2,000 years, but the writer doesn't attribute that to their Christianity. The Thirty Years War was fought between sects of 'booism, and some say it slaughtered 25% of Germany. Germany only lost 10% of its population in WWII. As for WWI, those were all good little 'boo-huggers racing off to machine gun one another.

Christianity is reality with the net down. Nothing is falsifiable, anything can be ascribed to whatever you feel. Christ and his goobermongers get credit for everything good, evil racists or communists or scientists get discredit for all the bad.

You can take this too to the blood bank:

Reality exists. Composite Jesus does not.

The Christians are like the commies in their anger that their religion never trumps race, at least when it comes to fighting.

Race is infinitely deeper and more meaningful than religion, which is never anything but a transient mood, which blows over like weather the minute reality intrudes.

Neo-pagans are ignorant of what Christ, the apostles, and prophets actually taught and did (thus the need for Kinists), yet they ask me to reject my Savior; the Savior of my wife, the Savior of my children, the Savior of my grandchildren, the Savior of my people.

Right. Reject what 99% of Christians say and go with kinists. They're the real Christians. What a mug's game.

Some of us went to Sunday school for 20 years, and we knew from day one the stuff in the Bible is horseshit. It appeals to old women and fools, and you can bet every last penny you own that the man who relies on Christian fantasies to supply him ultimate meanings will abandon you in the clutch because in the end, after all is said and done, he's a weak, pathetic, sinful loser and all responsibility belongs to god. See ya!

"...the Savior" - why do you need a savior? You don't.

"...the Savior of my people." Speak for yourself, buddy. Whites don't need jew Jeboo, he has nothing to do with us, and in any case our most learned scholars agree that HE DIDN'T EVEN EXIST.

Note the contradiction in the 'booist's claims:

1. WN/NS is "a man-centered faith that is a phony excuse for selfish gene propagation"

Then he turns around and says (even though it is demonstrably false):

2. "If pagans, atheists, libertarians, and other failed ideologues want to be taken seriously, all they need to do is show us one example of a society that has been formed on these principles and has thrived, has encouraged childbirth"

NS Germany had higher birthrates, and placed more value on motherhood, than Christian or Jewish Germany.

As for the rest of the claim, one can point to any white society that ever existed, plus Japan. Race, if not the real thing, is a far better proxy for desirable culture/behavior than Christian.

arrogantly dismissing that which supercedes their senses

the word is supersedes, hoss

But you, the 'booist, know that which can't be perceived is there because...some kike wrote it in a book.

In my experience religious people are more self centered, rude, nasty, hypocritical and just undesirable people of low moral character in general.

I think it's because of the fact they believe no matter what their transgression, they can be forgiven and the slate wiped clean if they feign repentance. Yet, at the same time, religious people are less likely to forgive wrong doings directed towards them by others.

Whereas non believers know their actions have consequences and will affect their lives in a negative way, and are more likely to forgive wrongs done to them.

The desire to submit to authority is the same as the desire to be the authority.

"You must obey G-d" means "You must suck my cock." Projection 1A.

I heard about some folks who used the Christian Yellow Pages. They got ripped-off so much that they turned to non-believers. More honesty and better service ensued.

The Christians are like the commies in their anger that their religion never trumps race, at least when it comes to fighting.

Race is infinitely deeper and more meaningful than religion, which is never anything but a transient mood, which blows over like weather the minute reality intrudes.

I got into an argument with a few Christians over on Hal Turner's site a few years back, and I found out why their religion trumps race. You see, if you read the bible and it doesn't make sense that is because you don't have a holy spirit, and that means you aren't pure Israelite (Anglo-Saxon).

SWB's arguments are the same old Christian bragging/lying: No one ever breathed until Christianity. No one ever invented anything. No one ever thought. No one ever cooked food. No one ever was nice to his neighbor, looked after his kids, fought to defend his community - no one ever did anything good until Christianity appeared.

It ain't true.

You can take this to the blood bank:

What's good in Christianity ain't new, and what's new in Christianity ain't good.

Note too that poof! go the Greeks, if you listen to the Christian bigot. They're in the garbage can. You're only a Westerner if you believe in composite Jesus.

What's not Western is believing in things because you want to rather than because they're true - that's something the lowest nigger animist can boast. What's Western is grasping there are objective laws beyond our feelings or impressions. Christianity is not an advance, it is a retreat.

There are numerous examples throughout history where Whites lived, prospered and enjoyed much niceness without the xtian yoke. One being the reign of the "5 good emperors" of ancient Rome.

"In the second century of the Christian Era, the empire of Rome comprehended the fairest part of the earth, and the most civilized portion of mankind. The frontiers of that extensive monarchy were guarded by ancient renown and disciplined valor. The gentle but powerful influence of laws and manners had gradually cemented the union of the provinces. Their peaceful inhabitants enjoyed and abused the advantages of wealth and luxury. The image of a free constitution was preserved with decent reverence: the Roman senate appeared to possess the sovereign authority, and devolved on the emperors all the executive powers of government. During a happy period of more than fourscore years, the public administration was conducted by the virtue and abilities of Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, and the two Antonines.".

"If a man were called to fix the period in the history of the world, during which the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous, he would, without hesitation, name that which elapsed from the death of Domitian to the accession of Commodus. The vast extent of the Roman empire was governed by absolute power, under the guidance of virtue and wisdom. The armies were restrained by the firm but gentle hand of four successive emperors, whose characters and authority commanded involuntary respect. The forms of the civil administration were carefully preserved by Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, and the Antonines, who delighted in the image of liberty, and were pleased with considering themselves as the accountable ministers of the laws.

If there is no such thing as sin and damnation, nor of election and eternal reward, then the white race is an accident, love is a viral infection, truth is relative, beauty is an island of proportionality in a sea of chaos, logic is no more meaningful than a 5 a.m. dream, and purpose is a phantom.

Uh...whuh? The non sequiturs are tighter packed than agoraphobic sardines.

So far as the writer's confusion can be penetrated he asserts that the White race has no meaning save its role in the Jeboo drama. What is that role? Hard to see it's any more than a bit role, since the Bible says nothing about race. This is backed up by the fact that virtually no mainstream Christians give a damn about it beyond claiming in line with the judeo-communists that it doesn't exist.

What explains the perfervid insistence of not just the kinny Prots but the EMJones Catholics that race can't mean anything to the rest of us (ie, 95% of WN) save we bow to the 'Boobies? The answer is that they lack the character to confront the facts that 1) they can't define meaning for the rest of us; 2) no one needs to believe in Jeboo to believe his race matters and is worth protecting; 3) non-'boosters are not only the leaders of WN, they are almost the entire body.

It would be easier, SWB and Jones, if you would use some of that humility you're always preaching and accept that Christianity is in fact and long practice UNIVERSAL rather than race specific, and that this means it will never be anything but a blinder preventing men from applying Occam's Razor to the multicultural world they see around them.

The starting point is an all-White society, not belief in Jesus. Either accept that, or don't pretend your cause is ours.

It is a losing battle to fight against faith if there is nothing to replace it. Actually, we are doing a pretty good job of being godless. The filth, perversion and degeneracy overwhelming our moral foundation is appalling.

Faith is an anchor. It is also a tutor, but one which allows fools to do the tutoring. What is considered good for an all white Civilization is a disaster when applied to a diverse society, particularly one ruled by the barbaric minds of the Jews.

I got into an argument with a few Christians over on Hal Turner's site a few years back, and I found out why their religion trumps race. You see, if you read the bible and it doesn't make sense that is because you don't have a holy spirit, and that means you aren't pure Israelite (Anglo-Saxon).

CI is sheer retardation.

For some reason, idiots just love to make predictions based on the Bible. These predictions are inevitably proven wrong, but that never stops the morons from coming back with new ones.

Only a certifiable retard would attempt to treat the Bible like the shit in it is real history rather than fictional tales.

There is not an ounce of difference between dispensationalist Rapture Bunnies and CI cretins.

It is a losing battle to fight against faith if there is nothing to replace it. Actually, we are doing a pretty good job of being godless. The filth, perversion and degeneracy overwhelming our moral foundation is appalling.

What evidence do you have linking godlessness with immorality? I would bet any amount of money that atheists are not 1% more immoral than Christians by any objective standard. I would also bet that atheists are, on average, considerably more intelligent than Christians.


Faith is an anchor. It is also a tutor, but one which allows fools to do the tutoring. What is considered good for an all white Civilization is a disaster when applied to a diverse society, particularly one ruled by the barbaric minds of the Jews.

Christianity is universal. That is the reason the jews were never racially identified and dealt with, because they were presumed to have souls and be convertable. We are now where those foolish CHRISTIAN mistakes led us. Christianity is doctrinally and dogmatically committed to a view of jews that does not fit the facts.

The correct thing to do is class jews as non-humans, as vermin, and to exterminate them. Do that, and you won't have any more problems from jews. But Christians can't do that because their dogma forbids them from seeing jews for what they are.

Here's the EMJ/SWB argument, species changed.

It is illogical to love peacocks more than sparrows since if evolution is true they both arose by chance, with no greater or deeper meaning.

Do you see how stupid that is?

The anger of these men that others don't share their fantasies, or, perhaps, that they can't by main force (as they would in ages past) compel us normals to buy into their Composite Jesus delusions is pathetic and telling to atheist WN.

If reality is not enough, a thousand fantasies won't be either.

Christianity is reality with the net down, to twist what Frost said about free verse.

Reality with the net up is the way to go, White man.

It is a losing battle to fight against faith if there is nothing to replace it.

I look at it this way. Even if you don't know what is right, to know that belief A is wrong puts you farther ahead than the fellow who labors under the delusion that A is right.

In my experience religious people are more self centered, rude, nasty, hypocritical and just undesirable people of low moral character in general.

I think it's because of the fact they believe no matter what their transgression, they can be forgiven and the slate wiped clean if they feign repentance. Yet, at the same time, religious people are less likely to forgive wrong doings directed towards them by others.

Whereas non believers know their actions have consequences and will affect their lives in a negative way, and are more likely to forgive wrongs done to them.
I agree with with you. I avoid discussions of politics and religion with customers but it's inevitable that somebody will whittle the conversation down to asking if I believe or not. When I honestly answer no, as I couldn't lie my way through a series of agreeable answers or statements should I answer yes, I never see them again. That's despite the great rapport beforehand, I suddenly become unworthy of attention.

It is a losing battle to fight against faith if there is nothing to replace it. Actually, we are doing a pretty good job of being godless. The filth, perversion and degeneracy overwhelming our moral foundation is appalling.

At least one poll has found that by measures of traditional morality, the blue states rank higher than the red states. Blue figures to hold more atheists, whereas Red holds more Baptists.

How many people really think the way conservatives claim they do:

I believe god doesn't exist, therefore I'm going to fuck over as many people as I can!

I know that God does exist, therefore I'm going to act morally in order to escape eternal damnation.

I believe very, very, very, very few people think either of these ways.

I have been reading a Covington novel the last couple days. In it he quotes, if I recall, Marcus Aurelius, who said:

If a thing is wrong, don't do it. If a thing isn't true, don't say it.

But, of course, per the 'boobies, we never had any morality before the Comeback Kid.

The desire to submit to authority is the same as the desire to be the authority.

"You must obey G-d" means "You must suck my cock." Projection 1A.

I heard about some folks who used the Christian Yellow Pages. They got ripped-off so much that they turned to non-believers. More honesty and better service ensued.

This is a version of what Sean Martin here used to say - that whenever a fellow told him he was a Christian hence reliable, he would turn and run the other way!

I defy any Christian to say I am wrong in asserting that 99.9% of White Christians would rather live in a 100% White neighborhood than a racially mixed, 100% Christian neighborhood.

What the kinists don't acknowledge in their hasty construction of a strawman called Nietzsche is that Christianity did not begin as a kin religion, but precisely as the opposite - as an association of unhappy scum in the declining Roman empire. It began as as loser love cult. Family had absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, which broke families apart. Or perhaps 'Boo didn't mean it when he told his dolts to abandon their mother and father if they balked at 'Boofism.

How many people really think the way conservatives claim they do:

I believe god doesn't exist, therefore I'm going to fuck over as many people as I can!

I know that God does exist, therefore I'm going to act morally in order to escape eternal damnation.

I believe very, very, very, very few people think either of these ways.

One of the guys on the John and Ken Show (LA radio, KFI) actually said that "the only reason I don't f--- over everybody is fear of hell." That's the only time I have heard a remark like that.

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/

Religious maniacs are hysterically insistent on your rejection of their Big Lie making you a materialist, for whom there can be no meaning.

They are disingenuous when they speak affectionately of “religion,” for they don’t believe in anything beyond the material.

The fact that Christianity is based on lies in no way implies anything about the non-believer's beliefs in anything else.

One of the guys on the John and Ken Show (LA radio, KFI) actually said that "the only reason I don't f--- over everybody is fear of hell." That's the only time I have heard a remark like that.

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/

Interesting. I've never heard anybody say such, nor observed them operating on the principle. The way most people's minds work is such that they will take small crooked advantages where they can, while their mind protects their self-image of righteousness like the ocean closing over the wake of a boat.

And with Boniface, German idolatry fell.

No, their gullibility was merely transferred from an oak tree to a jew on a stick.

I agree with with you. I avoid discussions of politics and religion with customers but it's inevitable that somebody will whittle the conversation down to asking if I believe or not. When I honestly answer no, as I couldn't lie my way through a series of agreeable answers or statements should I answer yes, I never see them again. That's despite the great rapport beforehand, I suddenly become unworthy of attention.

You must have been dealing with Baptists. They love asking if you've accepted Boozus as "your personal savior." Imagine a man...then take away all irony, humor and brains - what's left is qualified to be a Baptist.

Religion claims to give us everything, but in reality gives us nothing. Science claims to give us something...and delivers more than it promises.

Air conditioning saved more souls than Jebooze.

You must have been dealing with Baptists. ....
They may have been, I'm not sure.

I did grow up next to a family of Baptists, the most self righteous people I've ever encountered. Divorce, fighting over and attempts to swindle money after divorce among with many other hypocritical BS befell them later in life. The work of the devil I'm sure. :rolleyes:

They may have been, I'm not sure.

I did grow up next to a family of Baptists, the most self righteous people I've ever encountered. Divorce, fighting over and attempts to swindle money after divorce among with many other hypocritical BS befell them later in life. The work of the devil I'm sure. :rolleyes:

2 faces + 0 necks = 1 Baptist

Most White people need a religion, any religion. Creativity was a viable alternative to the kosher belief systems. That is why the jew vehemently persecutes Matthew Hale.

What evidence do you have linking godlessness with immorality? I would bet any amount of money that atheists are not 1% more immoral than Christians by any objective standard. I would also bet that atheists are, on average, considerably more intelligent than Christians.


Sheesh, nearly anyone is more intelligent than I and I don't think it has anything to do with Christianity. Jesus Christ said truth would set us free and I do a lot of searching for the truth. I think I have a pretty good grasp of the truth. I don't think like a man and can't express myself like one, but I do what I can with what I know.

Alex, Jews are atheists. You know they are.

I don't know any people more godless than the Jews. I don't know any people more immoral than the Jews. I don't know any people who force immorality on others more than Jews. Christians believe in hell. I just know there has got to be a hell for people like the Jews. They deserve it. It would not be fair for the Jews not to have hell waiting for them to get revenge on them for the viciousness, cruelty, wars, abuse, egotism, arrogance, disrespect for human life and human dignity, oppression, dishonesty, deception and all the evil Jews have done to the whole human race.

Exterminating the Jewish vermin is a world wide Cause for all people, and not just the west or Americans.

Sheesh, nearly anyone is more intelligent than I and I don't think it has anything to do with Christianity. Jesus Christ said truth would set us free and I do a lot of searching for the truth. I think I have a pretty good grasp of the truth. I don't think like a man and can't express myself like one, but I do what I can with what I know.

Alex, Jews are atheists. You know they are.

I don't know any people more godless than the Jews. I don't know any people more immoral than the Jews. I don't know any people who force immorality on others more than Jews. Christians believe in hell. I just know there has got to be a hell for people like the Jews. They deserve it. It would not be fair for the Jews not to have hell waiting for them to get revenge on them for the viciousness, cruelty, wars, abuse, egotism, arrogance, disrespect for human life and human dignity, oppression, dishonesty, deception and all the evil Jews have done to the whole human race.

Exterminating the Jewish vermin is a world wide Cause for all people, and not just the west or Americans.
God takes credit for that too.

Ezekiel 20:21Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

22Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.

23I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;

24Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

26And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.


What is up with God?, first he puts the serpent in the garden of Eden, then he protects Cain the murderer. Genesis 4:15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Then he admits that the reason jews are so f'ed up is because he gave them laws that they shouldn't live by. Sick bastard. Oh... but he loves you.

Sheesh, nearly anyone is more intelligent than I and I don't think it has anything to do with Christianity.

You're obviously more intelligent than average, since you can spell and only rarely capitalize random words.


Jesus Christ said truth would set us free and I do a lot of searching for the truth.

You ever consider that he was misquoted?

Alex, Jews are atheists. You know they are.


Many are. But many non-jews are atheists too. It is interesting that jews have a higher percentage of atheists among their criminal clan, and they are the ones controlling things. Having observed jews in action, I would say it is certainly true that one reason they dominate others is their ability to look at things from all angles and not get hung up on silly fictions such as Jesus' divinity and saviorhood. Would you accept the claims made about Jesus if they were made about anyone else? The Bible was written and edited decades after the supposed facts it relates. I don't see any basis whatsoever for concluding that the Jesus tales are true.


I don't know any people more godless than the Jews. I don't know any people more immoral than the Jews. I don't know any people who force immorality on others more than Jews.

Look at it objectively - I have known many jews, and many of them are not immoral at all personally, in fact they are rather more intelligent and hard working than most Christians. Do you think they are dumb enough to swallow the poisons they lay before us? Generally they are not. Thus you have professional seducers and panderers and vice-pitchers like Howard Stern, but as is as least as often as not the case with these folks, in private they are as or more morally regular than Christians.

Another example, the current jewish king of comedy, Judd Apatow. All his movies push promiscuous sex, as jew movies always do. They're all aimed at loosening up white teens, per the Authoritarian Personality conclusion. Well, how much immoralizing do you think jew Apatow practices himself? I would guess very little, as he puts out multiple movies a year. So be careful to make a distinction between the practice of personal immorality and its use as a lure.

It cannot be overemphasized how much jews look at things from all angles in order to find advantages. They are just different mentally from Christians and Whites in general - and in this angle-seeking they have a strong advantage over us. Whites, as I've said many times, particularly males, are fixated on "their" opinions, even though 99.99% their opinions come from someone else. Jews look at opinions as masks, disguises, giftwrapping -- tools to use to attract or fool those they're trying to manipulate. Entirely different mentality. Jews don't really have any POV or concern than what is good for jews, and that depends wholly on circumstance.


Christians believe in hell. I just know there has got to be a hell for people like the Jews.

You feel there is or should be. That's not the same as knowing. The Christian puts revelation on the level with reasoning. That is wrong. Revelation isn't truth, it's just someone's opinion. To say otherwise is to head right back into the jungle with the animist niggers.


They deserve it. It would not be fair for the Jews not to have hell waiting for them to get revenge on them for the viciousness, cruelty, wars, abuse, egotism, arrogance, disrespect for human life and human dignity, oppression, dishonesty, deception and all the evil Jews have done to the whole human race.

If you believe in God, then you must believe God created jews.

Since I don't, I don't have to wonder who the hell is running things. I don't care where jews came from, I just care about persuading Whites we need to get them under ground as soon as possible.


Exterminating the Jewish vermin is a world wide Cause for all people, and not just the west or Americans.

True. Every race on earth would benefit from jews' disappearance.

(Edit: Oops, sorry...did not realize Alex had posted by the time I published this.)

God takes credit for that too.
What is up with God?, first he puts the serpent in the garden of Eden, then he protects Cain the murderer. Then he admits that the reason jews are so f'ed up is because he gave them laws that they shouldn't live by. Sick bastard. Oh... but he loves you.

Men wrote the Bible.

Let us hope God loves us. The White Man is the good guy. We have done more for the quality of life on this planet than anyone. The White Man uses his brains for what God created and is out there for intelligent minds to discover and comprehend.

Jews use their brains for evil. Don't blame God.

Jews are godless and unable to use their minds for good. Just look at all the horrible things they do. Why waste one's mind - and Alex's mind is certainly awesome - on misguided white men who are not nearly as intelligent? If a genius comes up with the all powerful solution I am sure everyone - and I mean everyone - will instinctively accept it. We simply have not found the solution, yet. But the White Man is too intelligence not to find it.

We will get there.

Religion seems to be based largely on how to control humans wrapped up in a fantasy story of God/s, angels, devils and other forces beyond human control. At it's heart, religion is nothing more than a discipline system. It will work if you follow the principles under any name.

While I think much of the basic morality of the major religions is grounded in reality (i.e. take care of your neighbors, don't kill random people, etc.), I seriously doubt the part about invisible forces comming down and changing the state of the world.

Let us hope God loves us

And if he doesn't can we expect to spend an enternity in hell getting tortured in ways that would make an IDF soldier blush? How do we make God love us anyway? I thought it was his will that made us love or reject him?

I'm with Twain. If God made the world, then he is responsible for every last thing that goes on, and no avoiding it.

The Abrahamic religions believe in a single creator, God/Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah, etc. And everything in the world is at his will, they believe our life is predestined. This would mean God creates people, makes them non believers, and will torture them in hell in for eternity..... Is this not a sick creator? Where is the mercy?

Ladies and gentlemen, THE CHRIST MEME has probably been to the most destructive meme to Our Race EVER. Yes, I am a reader of Nietzsche, first read his thus Spake Zarathustra at the sweet age of sixteen whilst surfing the Transkei waves down The Wild Coast of South Africa way back when, but ol' Friedrich only half-sunk back then as a kiddo...

Alex and folks: it's Friday night. I'm going out for a couple; yeah, we still enjoy life down here in Surf Efrikah and why? - because we're white!

Will get back to y'awl on this post shortly. 'til later, 88! M.

I've dated quite a few self described militant atheists over the years, the kind that mocks a belief in God but is nonetheless a fervent adherent of the religion known as the Democratic party. Coincidentally they were also the biggest swallowers of bullshit like feminism or the equality myth.
Much rarer is the true atheist, someone who drifts thru life without a belief system of some sort to cope with this marvelously messy world of ours.
In lieu of faith in the almighty even the most rationally minded will believe in all manner of absurdities. Often times the alternative to a deity will be replaced with some political conviction or idolatrous belief in science (remember Marlowe's Faust exclaiming, sweet analytics, thou has ravished me!).
It's not surprising that the fanaticism that accompanies these secular faiths fueled the worst scourges in human history: Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, to name a few.
Sadly this has been the case with many a first rate talent like Mayakovsky or Picasso, who worshipped at the altar of Stalin, even after his monstrous crimes were made known in the West. There was a certain faddishness with communism among the intelligentsia of the 20's and 30's and I suspect it was opportunism that led to Picasso and many others hopping aboard the red bandwagon.
The parallel of this in America is your average starry eyed young Democrat.
They show a devotion to the Clintons and Obama that's seldom seen even amongst snake handling, strychnine drinking backwater Baptists. They simply can't gobble enough of the poison or countenance any criticism of their dogma.
It's true that there are many people who just have no spiritual inclination whatsoever. They wander in a grey, colorless world sans any feeling for the divine or miraculous, including their own life. They read of Arjuna and remain unmoved.
More often than not however atheism is born of a bitterness toward God, the dismal and refutation is a form of retaliation or defiance. I'm not saying this of Alex but it's true of most atheists I've met.
To maintain a belief that there is no God must be an exhausting affair, always leaping to debunk any hint of the supernatural, ferreting out any inconsistency in the bible while entirely missing the big picture, ultimately erecting a value system on a foundation of sand. One would need to be God, to be omniscient themselves, to visit the farthest star or float amongst the smallest atom to know for certain.

The fact is you can't stamp out man's religious and spiritual yearnings anymore than you can his will to become. Men like Evola and Hitler regarded our eternal struggle against the jew as spiritual in nature. It goes deeper than social Darwinism, the need to dominate among groups competing for resources. The core of this struggle is aesthetics, the greatest of earthly enigmas. We are repulsed by the ugliness of the Jewish aesthetic. For most I'll bet it was this gnawing nausea Jewish culture evokes that drove us to fill the ranks of what constitutes white nationalists today. The one consistent theme in the old and new testament is the rejection by the rank and file jew of the truth/divine, until eventually God gives them up to a reprobate mind.
Beauty is a spiritual, sacred thing that inspired Phidias to Bernini. You can't measure it by scientific terms.
William Blake said that the man who hasn't traveled to heaven in his imagination can never be an artist.
A healthy soul responds to beauty, whether in art or nature, as the imprint of the divine.
What we are as a culture and what is ultimately left by us is reflected by our temples, art, music, literature. The analytical scientific mind may increase our life span, give us better toaster ovens and dentistry but it does not feed the soul. Our best and brightest: Pascal, Issac Newton, Michelangelo understood man is more than a biological organism.

We are creatures who live by faith. That faith may take the form of some reward in the afterlife, or an egalitarian earthly paradise where we can consume in multi racial comfort(like Dr. Pierce said) or in the conception of a distant all white world governed by Aryan values.
Each requires imagining and projecting to reach some intangible objective we can neither touch, taste, feel or hear.
That's the essence of faith.

It is a Christian lie that atheism is a belief.

It's like, if 90% of the world were drunks, there would, in time, come to be a need for a descriptor for the other 10%. Atheism had no name for thousands of years, until someone invented it.

The manufacturing of a god on your part in no way implies a positive belief on the part of those who don't play along.

For which other things-for-which-there-is-no-evidence do we coin special words for those who don't 'believe' in them?

An 'atheist' is someone who asks what evidence you have for believing X, and when your reply is unpersuasive, remains unconvinced. The special term is purely there to demonize those who don't sign up for Team Fantasy. The burden is on the believer, not on the 'atheist.' It is pure social prejudice and typically cowardly Christian browbeating to imply that the strangeness is in the non-believer rather than in the fantasist.

There is not a dime's worth of difference between claiming that God exists and the nigger is the white man's equal. Not an iota of evidence can be found to sustain either claim.

The cultists have to invent terms to demonize their rational, calm, intelligent superiors:

atheists in the one case,

racists in the other.

As Spengler observed, Christianity is the grandparent of bolshevism...and liberalism and multiculturalism too.

What is the ultimate taproot?

The rejection of reality.

"Belief cannot argue with unbelief, it can only preach to it."

Karl Barth, most influential theologian. (Pronounced Bart)

http://www.katethaxton.com/survivingpc/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bart-simpson.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Barth#Quotations

In lieu of faith in the almighty even the most rationally minded will believe in all manner of absurdities.

Don't just steal from Chesterton, actually think about what he's saying, and you will realize how stupid it is.

There is nothing any non-Christian could believe in that is as ridiculous as what EVERY Christian believes in. Men coming back from the dead. Seven-headed beasts rising out of lakes of fire. Rapture. God.

The truth is that whether or not a man is religious, he is likely to labor under many illusions. The real difference is that the religious fool has tied his perceptual mistakes into a moral system, making them that much harder to clear up. He feels guilty if he even begins to suspect that facts obvious to a small child - that people die and that's it - are true.


Often times the alternative to a deity will be replaced with some political conviction or idolatrous belief in science (remember Marlowe's Faust exclaiming, sweet analytics, thou has ravished me!).
It's not surprising that the fanaticism that accompanies these secular faiths fueled the worst scourges in human history: Mao's China, Stalin's Soviet Union, the Khmer Rouge, to name a few.

The difference was not that they weren't officially religious but that they had access to better killing technology than the Christians over the last 2000 years - not that the Christians didn't perform as savagely as they could under the circumstances. There is not a thing in the world that makes a Christian more humane, intelligent, or honest than a man.


Sadly this has been the case with many a first rate talent like Mayakovsky or Picasso, who worshipped at the altar of Stalin, even after his monstrous crimes were made known in the West. There was a certain faddishness with communism among the intelligentsia of the 20's and 30's and I suspect it was opportunism that led to Picasso and many others hopping aboard the red bandwagon.

Stalin was raised up and trained in a seminary. Like they say, if they have them before they're six, they have them forever.


The parallel of this in America is your average starry eyed young Democrat.
They show a devotion to the Clintons and Obama that's seldom seen even amongst snake handling, strychnine drinking backwater Baptists. They simply can't gobble enough of the poison or countenance any criticism of their dogma.

It's true that there are many people who just have no spiritual inclination whatsoever. They wander in a grey, colorless world sans any feeling for the divine or miraculous, including their own life. They read of Arjuna and remain unmoved.

Yeah, the grey, colorless world of Mencken and Twain. Your statement is pure bigotry.


More often than not however atheism is born of a bitterness toward God, the dismal and refutation is a form of retaliation or defiance. I'm not saying this of Alex but it's true of most atheists I've met.

You can't be bitter about something that doesn't exist unless you really believe he does exist, in which case the proper term is not atheist but liar.

Christians walk the world forever unsure, because they are dogmatically committed to the Big Lie that the rules can be suspended at any time. Atheists don't believe that, hence the world is an interesting place about which more can always be discovered. Honestly, the crissycunts claim they invented science (and breathing and love and eating and placemats and...) but why in the world would anyone who believed the lies about Jesus raising men from the dead seek to understand the basis of disease when he could simply pray to 'God' for the same power Jesus had?


To maintain a belief that there is no God must be an exhausting affair, always leaping to debunk any hint of the supernatural,

Jesus, bro, how many hints of the supernatural do you get each day? I've lived 43 years and I've never seen a damn one! God is like UFOs - lots of claims but not a goddam piece of evidence worthy of the name.


ferreting out any inconsistency in the bible

No one ever had to "ferret out" inconsistency in the bible. That's like ferreting out blades of grass in a lawn.


while entirely missing the big picture, ultimately erecting a value system on a foundation of sand.

As opposed to the Christian foundation: pure air. Air compressed and exhaled from jewish lungs, which is to say lungs belonging to the greatest race of liars ever to beteem the earth.


The fact is you can't stamp out man's religious and spiritual yearnings anymore than you can his will to become.

By 'religious and spiritual' you mean stupidity. Stupidity cannot be stamped out.


Men like Evola and Hitler regarded our eternal struggle against the jew as spiritual in nature.

Perhaps that is why they lost the temporal struggle.


It goes deeper than social Darwinism, the need to dominate among groups competing for resources. The core of this struggle is aesthetics, the greatest of earthly enigmas. We are repulsed by the ugliness of the Jewish aesthetic.


A hog 'n' truffle reunion, itz!

I agree but would put it this way. The extraordinary ugliness of the jews, in themselves and in the kind of society they excrete, is one of the strongest spurs to the Aryan elite who would lead the war against them. They excite my urge not to be dominated by them, because they are, taking one with another, pieces of shit.


For most I'll bet it was this gnawing nausea Jewish culture evokes that drove us to fill the ranks of what constitutes white nationalists today. The one consistent theme in the old and new testament is the rejection by the rank and file jew of the truth/divine, until eventually God gives them up to a reprobate mind. Beauty is a spiritual, sacred thing that inspired Phidias to Bernini. You can't measure it by scientific terms. William Blake said that the man who hasn't traveled to heaven in his imagination can never be an artist.
A healthy soul responds to beauty, whether in art or nature, as the imprint of the divine.

No, he responds to it for what it is, not because it has anything to do with the divine, that is pure adventitious assumption.


What we are as a culture and what is ultimately left by us is reflected by our temples, art, music, literature. The analytical scientific mind may increase our life span, give us better toaster ovens and dentistry but it does not feed the soul.

Not true. Air conditioning soothes the soul. Driving a car really fast through an open stretch, or through the mountains, feeds the soul. Achieving a new association after prolonged analysis feeds the soul. God has nothing to do with anything, and revelation is nothing but opinion pretending to a status it does not merit.


Our best and brightest: Pascal, Issac Newton, Michelangelo understood man is more than a biological organism.

Michelangelo also understood the male anus to be a sex organ, not sure we want to rely on him real hard.


We are creatures who live by faith.

Who's this we, White man?

Faith is needed. It does have its place. Its place is backing reason, like a good wife. Not walking alongside it pretending to be its equal.


That faith may take the form of some reward in the afterlife, or an egalitarian earthly paradise where we can consume in multi racial comfort(like Dr. Pierce said) or in the conception of a distant all white world governed by Aryan values.

This is wrong. What you should say is that humans, being limited, tend to have conceptions of the world that to a greater or lesser degree fail to conform to the actuality of the situation. All humans have a conception of the world as it is, and a conception of the world as they think it should be. 95% of their conceptions beyond simple sensory input are not internally generated but taken in from an outside source that seems omnipotent or persuasive.

The only tool that ever got the White man out of the mud mire was reason, and it is precisely reason that believers in gods, Christian or any other, undermines - genocidally.

Reality exists. Let that be your 'faith.' Because it's not based on anything except the valid observation that a hell of lot of things happen over and over again, predictably, whether we want them to or not.

Humbling himself and accepting a reality outside himself - that, and not Christianity's lies about overcoming death, is what makes the White man White. Any goddam nigger bum on the street can believe in the god fantasy, but it takes the character of a White man to accept an actuality existing apart from his wishes, and the brains of a White man to figure out the mechanisms by which that reality operates, and the determination of a White man to manipulate them to create more desirable environments.


Each requires imagining and projecting to reach some intangible objective we can neither touch, taste, feel or hear.
That's the essence of faith.

The Christians say it was faith that built the cathedral, but the truth says anyone who figures out the engineering principles can do it.

If a cop's boss says to the beat walker, "you don't have evidence," does that make him an atheist? That is perfectly analogous to Christian/atheist.

Notice too that Blofeld, like others who argue in his vein, exhibits a pronounced bias toward the internal over the external. Well, that's where most of the problems we combat come from - our own people, raised up in Christian asininity, praised as imagination or faith, learning over time to abandon the evidence of their (they believe, god-given) senses and cling to their fantasies. Where the heck do you think the belief in nigger equality comes from if not from people trained from day one to reject the world and embrace the beauty of the one true faith?

They call it respect for authority and beautiful visions of another world, but that's the promoter talking. The reality is that Christianity makes a fetish and a virtue out of not using your brain or your sense organs. Thinking is the only sin Christians don't embrace. You can be forgiven every other, but thinking will make you hated by Christians.

Do you think it an accident, how neatly the public disschooling, by which reasoned argument is trained into the littlings to be dismissed as 'hate,' fits with the Christian admonition to lub, lub, lub your neighbor, your enemy, your enema-tubist?

Pull the plug on the 'boo broth - bathwater as far as the eye can see, and not a 'boo-baby to be found.

If you want to take something from the jews and base your life around it, don't use Jesus, use the jew's networking, or his continual searching and considering of angles. The jews live in reality, the Christians live in someone else's fantasyland. That is one reason the jews always win and the Christians always lose.

Reality exists, whether you like it or not, 'boo-bies. The sooner you become a White man and put away childish things like the Christ-insanity, the better for our race.

Is there anything in the universe that can't be explained by way of the scientific method? Is there anything that has been discovered that scientists can't explain or is it a matter of time and available technology before such explanations are forthcoming?

Is there anything in the universe that can't be explained by way of the scientific method? Is there anything that has been discovered that scientists can't explain or is it a matter of time and available technology before such explanations are forthcoming?

Do we know more now than we did yesterday? Is there any reason to think that trend won't continue?

Doesn't every two-bit dipshit bluegum blowing darts think it has the answer to everything?

Reason is a giant gold piece sitting there in the middle of slugs, scintillating like a beauty queen lying in the surf. And the christian dungworthies run around filling their pockets with dross.

Reason is something. Christian faith is nothing.

Do we know more now than we did yesterday? Is there any reason to think that trend won't continue?

Doesn't every two-bit dipshit bluegum blowing darts think it has the answer to everything?

Reason is a giant gold piece sitting there in the middle of slugs, scintillating like a beauty queen lying in the surf. And the christian dungworthies run around filling their pockets with dross.

Reason is something. Christian faith is nothing.

Can you not discuss Christianity without resorting to ad hominem attacks and generalities? You speak of 'reason' and then rip into an emotionally based response. Pot meet kettle.

I don't have all of the answers. Never did, never will. Neither will you.

Here's at least one thing for which science has no explanation (http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/nasa-ufo.html).

A large disc shaped object appeared below the Columbia. The shuttle was approximately, 190 Nautical miles high.

The disc was first observed to miraculously appear from out of nowhere, flying through the clouds below and progressing from right to left as the astronauts stared in utter amazement. The outer rim of the craft appeared to be rotating counter-clockwise. It was very large (compared to common space junk and breakaway ice), approximately 50 to 150 feet in diameter.

Astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave, a Payload Specialist on the STS-80 Mission, was interviewed following the flight. As he viewed a videotape of the incident which showed lightning flashes in the atmosphere, the city lights of Denver, Colorado and other earthbound sights, he stated: "I don't know what it is. Whether it's a washer, debris, ice particles, I don't know. But it's characteristic of the thousands of things which I've seen. What is not so characteristic is it appears to come from no where. You would think that if it's facing the dark side or facing a side towards you which is not reflecting the sun, you would think that you would see something there. It's really impressive." Reason and science don't have all of the answer either.

Can you not discuss Christianity without resorting to ad hominem attacks and generalities? You speak of 'reason' and then rip into an emotionally based response. Pot meet kettle.

The guts of my response is experience + reason wrapped in ridicule and pleasure-wording. You can't rebut what I say, so instead you characterize it. Just like a Christian. You say, "heaven and hell don't exist." The Christian responds, "Don't you want to believe your grandfather is in heaven?" Christianity is a low and dirty thing. It's not honest. It's not Aryan.


I don't have all of the answers. Never did, never will. Neither will you.

Who claimed he did? But I'm one ahead of you because I see the Christian lie for what it is.

Here's at least one thing for which science has no explanation (http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/nasa-ufo.html).

Reason and science doesn't have all of the answer either.

Science doesn't have explanations for everything because science has standards. If the standards aren't met, science says, honestly, "I don't have or can't have an answer for that." Religion, by contrast, has an answer for every question because it has no standards. Yet that doesn't make the hoi polloi look down on it, they respect it all the more! Being, uh, how can I put this delicately, uh, idiots, Christians would rather have a false answer than an honest I don't know. It's a measure of their stupidity and weakness that they take absolute statements as a measure of strength, and cautiousness, uncertainty or humility in light of evidence as weakness.

You and your fellow Christian idiots want answers, but what you should want are correct answers.

I've been reading a book about CI, and struggling mightily to get some value out of it, as the doctrine doesn't survive the laugh test. I guess the value of studying CI lies in recognizing the eternal appeal to the left-behinders, the left half of the bell curve and the sharpers who mulct them, of making predictions based on authority divined out of this or that natural sign or good book. I mean, it is astonishing how many retards get orgasmic pleasure out of their little home-made interpretations of the bible. Under their monkey brow they go from the good-book page to the world, looking and back and forth until everything comes into focus. It doesn't matter how many times these retardates are wrong, they keep right on calling end times that never come and concocting fake history based on their tardic readings of the testaments.

There are a couple non-obvious ways in which Christianity is jewy, ways that others have not observed. Not only does it demand exemption from the ordinary laws of evidence for its central claims (like the jews' demand for their 'Holocaust') , it demands non-believers refrain from public scoffing, again like the 'Holocaust.' It even, like Polocaust beneficiaries, demands special tax exemptions! Christianity is like an attenuated judaism, with the legal penalties visited on those who challenge judaism reduced to ostracism for christ-truthers.

Christianity attempts through social pressure to gain a status and a respect it cannot earn based on the merits of its doctrine or the men it produces.

Christianity deserves not legal discrimination, but overt public ridicule. Whatever vestigial whiteness lies in the breasts of its sapsuckers can only be summoned through relentless comparison between Christian doctrine and established facts.

The Nazis weren't "atheists" and don't appropriately serve as stand-ins for atheism or non-Christians. There was certainly a powerful strain of neo-paganism, Nietzschean existentialism, and outright atheism among the NS elite - but Germany remained a fully Christian nation. Even attempts at reforming Christianity, like Positive Christianity, were largely ignored or outright rejected.

I look forward to the latest SWB post like a nigger looks forward to a welfare check, but I was disappointed this time to find him tearing apart the secular racialists with the rabid fury that I would prefer he direct at our common enemies.

I don't really care about the details; I just know that we MUST recapture authority over our tribe yesterday - both temporally and spiritually. Christianity is a dandy choice because it's innately threatening to Jewish power, it's deeply embedded in Western tradition, and it encourages the deference, discipline, and duty that we need out of the masses. I honestly don't care if there is a god - and I don't see how pretending that wasting time relieving the masses of their superstitions is any less retarded than embracing those superstitions and leveraging them in the struggle.

The Nazis weren't "atheists" and don't appropriately serve as stand-ins for atheism or non-Christians. There was certainly a powerful strain of neo-paganism, Nietzschean existentialism, and outright atheism among the NS elite - but Germany remained a fully Christian nation. Even attempts at reforming Christianity, like Positive Christianity, were largely ignored or outright rejected.

Who argued the nazis were atheists? Off point. The fact remains, the nazis fully intended to help the Christ-insanity die on the vine once they had the time to give it attention.


I look forward to the latest SWB post like a nigger looks forward to a welfare check, but I was disappointed this time to find him tearing apart the secular racialists with the rabid fury that I would prefer he direct at our common enemies.

I wouldn't say rabid fury characterized his tone. He took the crissy's usual pose of been-there-done-that-seen-it-all-before. His real problem with us non-crizzlers is somehow our lack of buhlief = denying him and his offspring their duly appointed personal-communal Savior. Whence this idea that people need to be saved? WTF is the origin of that? Do you feel like you need to be saved? It's pure cult doctrine. Instead of crying over your "sinning," why not just change your behavior, if it hurts you so bad? That's the Aryan way to approach it. No, every tiniest microatomic movement must be morally analyzed and accounted for. The wise will observe that all movement is immoral, because it entails risks and unknowns that certainly will result in unintentional consequences including damage to others.


I don't really care about the details; I just know that we MUST recapture authority over our tribe yesterday - both temporally and spiritually. Christianity is a dandy choice because it's innately threatening to Jewish power, it's deeply embedded in Western tradition, and it encourages the deference, discipline, and duty that we need out of the masses. I honestly don't care if there is a god - and I don't see how pretending that wasting time relieving the masses of their superstitions is any less retarded than embracing those superstitions and leveraging them in the struggle.


You haven't been to church lately if you think Christianity is the enemy of the jews. It may seem like that because the jews spit at the church, but that's more reflexive 'legacy-hatred' than anything - up and down the board the church is on the same page as the kikes, whether it's denying race or defending Israel.

To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. Historically, Catholics have been the primary opposition to the Jews. Dr. MacDonald even hypothesizes that the early church was basically an anti-Semitic reaction throughout the Roman Empire. You have studied enough RadTrad sources to know that there are still some warm embers of resistance in that organization.

Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism, penned "On the Jews and their Lies". The Amish are quietly breeding blue-eyed men and women like rabbits. Brigham Young, the Mormon Moses, declared that the punishment for miscegenation is DEATH ON THE SPOT. Even though the LDS has gone global, they still advise against miscegenation and the Book of Mormon still says what it says. The FLDS? They're the gold standard of racial pride, eugenics, and population growth! You appear to agree that Christians have at least historically carried their weight on such matters, so I won't prattle on about how Jesus chased them around with a whip, called them vipers, and offered the masses a 12 step plan for neutralizing their venom through duty, sacrifice, charity, humility, and love. A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.

As I implied earlier, we need more than a mere political movement to win this. We need a holistic grip on the hearts, minds, and actions of our tribe lest the Jews retain that grip. The West became vulnerable to Jews when our traditional priesthood imploded (due in equal parts to enlightenment through literacy and priesthood celibacy). The problem with both you, SWB admin, Dabney, atheists in general, and Protestantism in general is that too much weight is put on being correct. Being correct is dandy, but what we must be is organized, powerful, and focused. Neither kinism, CI, nor atheism promise any of those things. They just promise being correct.

We can either pick from one of the two priesthoods in the West (Catholicism and Mormonism) or home-brew our own. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christian and it doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but it seems to me that it would be a dangerous waste of very limited time to experiment with creating some new and unproven memeplex when there are some acceptable ones that can be embraced and extended.

To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. ... A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.

One word kills that notion, Judeo-Christianity.
First, Judeo-Christian America has differed from Christian countries in Europe in at least two important ways. One is that the Christians who founded America saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, as much as to theirs. And even more importantly, they strongly identified with the Jews.
more here (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0304/prager_2004_03_30_04.php3)

As I implied earlier, we need more than a mere political movement to win this. We need a holistic grip on the hearts, minds, and actions of our tribe ....

That grip will form when blood runs in the streets. Your skin will be your uniform in the next battle for freedom.

At Univ of Cal Irvine Greg Bahnsen debated the jew Gordon Stein who defended atheism along the same lines as Alex. The results were not pretty. Here are the mp3's of it. Ignore the file names -- the proper order is as I list here:

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_1bTheism_vsAtheism.mp3

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_1a_TheismvsAtheism.mp3

http://www.brianauten.com/Apologetics/Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_2_Theism_vs_Atheism.mp3

To damn the entirety of Christianity for philo-Semitic bullshit based on the last few decades/centuries is a bit unfair. Historically, Catholics have been the primary opposition to the Jews.

The church, as I've said eighty times, ignored the jews until an apostate Donin pointed out what was in the jewbooks. Some policy. Then the church formulated judais sicut non (sp), which said not to molest the jews. We see now where that led. The church is dogmatically and doctrinally committed to the anti-biological lie that jews are merely unconverted christians rather than a specific subset of anti-White hominids. The correct policy, which the church will never adopt, is to class jews as vermin and exterminate them wherever they pop up. No serious Catholic intellectual response to the claims of White nationalism has ever been made. The only response Catholics ever make is the lie that we worship at the altar of our own race, as though we are supernaturalists like they are.


Dr. MacDonald even hypothesizes that the early church was basically an anti-Semitic reaction throughout the Roman Empire. You have studied enough RadTrad sources to know that there are still some warm embers of resistance in that organization.

If a banana or orange or potato is 90% rotten, I throw it away, I don't try to salvage the 10%. Christianity was anti-White from day one because it emphasized ties of love between defectives against traditional family relations. That's the irony of the kinist claims. Christianity was anti-kin, and you have Jesus' quote on that.


Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism, penned "On the Jews and their Lies".

No shit. That's 500 years ago. What do Lutherans say today? The exact opposite. Which is relevant to our cause? In the end Christianity can be twisted to support any position the preacher chooses, for personal or political reasons, to emphasize. It doesn't, truly, stand for anything, except perhaps claims about Jesus' overcoming death, which is a lie.


The Amish are quietly breeding blue-eyed men and women like rabbits.

They are committed to pacifism, meaning that if they ever present a threat to jews, they will go quietly to the slaughter. The jews have also begun to attack them in the media, which of course they cannot resist.


Brigham Young, the Mormon Moses, declared that the punishment for miscegenation is DEATH ON THE SPOT.

What do they say today? They exact opposite. You seem to be missing the point, which is that Christianity doesn't stand for anything but lies about Composite Jesus, the super-duper jew power ranger transformer.


Even though the LDS has gone global, they still advise against miscegenation and the Book of Mormon still says what it says.

Bull-fucking-shit.


The FLDS? They're the gold standard of racial pride, eugenics, and population growth!

Yeah! All thirty of 'em!


You appear to agree that Christians have at least historically carried their weight on such matters,

The Christians were the only game in town, and look how they managed things: they got us where we are now. I certainly do not agree that Christianity has ever posed the slightest danger to Judaism. We are where we are now because of Christianity. Christianity teaches the men who can least afford it to lean not on their own thinking, but to worship authority, and to privilege fantasies over reality. That is the last thing white men need to hear. Misery loves company? So do weaklings and losers. It is the Christian project to turn strong men into weaklings and losers by lying to them until they can't tell up from down, and that's why it starts with little kids rather than adults.


so I won't prattle on about how Jesus chased them around with a whip, called them vipers, and offered the masses a 12 step plan for neutralizing their venom through duty, sacrifice, charity, humility, and love. A man who practices the words of Jesus is a man who's immune to Jewish influence.


Right. Lay off the wacky weed.


As I implied earlier, we need more than a mere political movement to win this. We need a holistic grip on the hearts, minds, and actions of our tribe lest the Jews retain that grip. The West became vulnerable to Jews when our traditional priesthood imploded (due in equal parts to enlightenment through literacy and priesthood celibacy). The problem with both you, SWB admin, Dabney, atheists in general, and Protestantism in general is that too much weight is put on being correct. Being correct is dandy, but what we must be is organized, powerful, and focused. Neither kinism, CI, nor atheism promise any of those things. They just promise being correct.

No, wrong, blanko. The problem with the church is that it CAN'T fight the jews because it can't acknowledge them for what they are. Until we have enough money and power to buy the priests, and cause them to change their doctrine, they will keep right on doing what they're doing.

Whites laugh at Jesus like Catholics laugh at biology. We will laugh last.

Like I say, in 2000 years, not a single Catholic has dared to venture a serious intellectual response to racialism. That's because, as the jew comedians say, they got nuthin.


We can either pick from one of the two priesthoods in the West (Catholicism and Mormonism) or home-brew our own. It doesn't necessarily have to be Christian and it doesn't necessarily have to be superstitious, but it seems to me that it would be a dangerous waste of very limited time to experiment with creating some new and unproven memeplex when there are some acceptable ones that can be embraced and extended.

No, we don't need either of those. The solution does not lie in religion.

The NS Germans showed how to defeat the jews: take over the streets. Name the jews, blame the jews, attack them directly and fearlessly. The only people even trying to do this, as far as I can see, are the NSM. They are insulted then by their supposed betters who don't like the way they dress, but themselves will never take to the streets to show them how it's done. No, they'll stick to holding essay contests, dinner parties, plagiarizing their betters, and sucking ass after the Patsy Buchanans of the world.

Ain't Christian illogic a wonderful thing? It's like Hillary's stock trades - she's assigned the winners, and some unsuspecting sap the losers.

What's especially exasperating is how they define bad Christians out of Christianity. In place of a real world group that might be experienced as good or bad or mixed, it's just a tautology: Christian is good and good is Christian.

What's especially exasperating is how they define bad Christians out of Christianity. In place of a real world group that might be experienced as good or bad or mixed, it's just a tautology: Christian is good and good is Christian.

Yep. You can't expect people who believe that reality is a scam to exhibit any sort of logical consistency.

Again, what differentiates the White man from the turdman is our recognition that there is a reality existing independent of our desires and wishes. Savages don't believe that. They believe everything is invested with a spirit, and you make your way in the world by figuring out how to placate and appease that power. Catholicism is inherently of the turd, and to the turd it returns. The majority of Catholics, in 2009, are people of turd, and that turd majority will only grow. Catholicism is wiggerism by another name.

Puzzle on this: most of the top Nazis were former Catholics, many of them Austrians. Why would they leave Catholicism? Because there was something in it that could not provide valid responses to existing circumstances. What was that deficit? Specifically it lay in Catholicism's generality, its take-all-comers dogma, its insistence that one size fits all, its claim that a man is a man is a man is a jew is a third worlder. To the extent Catholicism ignores the facts, it appeals only to the mentally deficient, and drives off those whose desired state requires taking those facts into account. The Catholic has no intellectual basis for resistance to Judaism, and that is why the church has been subverted by jews, which is why the Pope kisses any jew's ass that presents itself, that is why the pope honors jewish atrocity lies like the holocaust, and that is why the Pope and top intellectuals like EMJones employ communist party rhetoric like 'racism' as though it is a perfectly valid term.

Puzzle on this: most of the top Nazis were former Catholics, many of them Austrians. Why would they leave Catholicism? Because there ...

Are you channeling their spirits or are you relying on their documented testimony or writings? Do you have a cite(s) that you can provide including specifics like names? Documents or writings that specifically address their understanding of Catholicism and any problem(s) they had with it. Note that I'm no fan of the Catholic church.

Are you channeling their spirits or are you relying on their documented testimony or writings? Do you have a cite(s) that you can provide including specifics like names? Documents or writings that specifically address their understanding of Catholicism and any problem(s) they had with it. Note that I'm no fan of the Catholic church.

It is a fact that the church denounced nazism/racism in Mit Brennender Sorge. It is a fact that many or perhaps even most of the top Nazis were Austrian. I've known more than one jew who hated Austrians more than Germans.

Whether or not a top Nazis formally left the church, the fact of his being top Nazis shows he sided with Nazi doctrine over and against the church.

It is a fact that the church denounced nazism/racism in Mit Brennender Sorge. It is a fact that many or perhaps even most of the top Nazis were Austrian. I've known more than one jew who hated Austrians more than Germans.

I didn't ask what the Catholic church did or didn't do. Also not interested in jews that hate. I asked you for cite(s) to support your statements in your previous post that you attributed to the "top nazis." Surely you can direct me to documents that support your conclusions? Or any document where "top Nazis" address the issue of the Catholic church.

Whether or not a top Nazis formally left the church, ...

So you admit there are no such documents and you're making things up?

From his Genealogy of Morals...I don't like the "New Testament"—you will already have guessed as much. It almost disturbs me that I stand so alone in my taste with respect to this most highly regarded and overvalued written work (the taste of two thousand years is against me). How can I help that! "Here I stand. I can't do otherwise." I have the courage of my own bad taste. The Old Testament—now, that's something quite different. All honour to the Old Testament! In that I find great men, a heroic landscape and something of the rarest of all elements on earth, the incomparable naïveté of the strong heart. Even more—I find a people. In the New Testament, by contrast, I find nothing but small sectarian households, nothing but spiritual rococo, nothing but ornament, twisty little corners, oddities, nothing but conventional air, not to mention an occasional breeze of bucolic sweet sentimentality, which belongs to the age (and the Roman province)—something not so much Jewish as Hellenic. Humility and pomposity standing shoulder to shoulder; a chatting about feelings which are almost stupefying; vehement feelings but no passion, with awkward gestures. Here, it seems, there's a lack of a good upbringing.:) 'nuff said.

Where does the solution lie, Mr. Linder?

I didn't ask what the Catholic church did or didn't do. Also not interested in jews that hate. I asked you for cite(s) to support your statements in your previous post that you attributed to the "top nazis." Surely you can direct me to documents that support your conclusions? Or any document where "top Nazis" address the issue of the Catholic church.

So you admit there are no such documents and you're making things up?

Yeah, the nazis sat around writing diaries about their opinions of the Catholic church. Go read a history book.

From his Genealogy of Morals...:) 'nuff said.

That the Nazis like the work of Nietzsche doesn't make the latter a "top Nazi." I am looking for documents and writings from the "top Nazis" themselves that address the issue of the Catholic church.

If someone can't show me documented writings attributed to "top Nazis" on the subject of the Catholic church then such statements attributed to them are mere speculation and belief.

Where does the solution lie, Mr. Linder?

In the George Costanza approach:

Whatever Sam Francis did, do the opposite.

Yeah, the nazis sat around writing diaries about their opinions of the Catholic church. Go read a history book.

Then where did your idea that they hated Catholicism come from if not from their own mouth or hand? Aren't most 'history books' written by the victor? Are they not a third person opinion or belief of an event?

You made statements that you attributed to top Nazis but apparently can't produce any evidence or documents to support your conclusion. That sounds like faith and belief to me.

That the Nazis like the work of Nietzsche doesn't make the latter a "top Nazi." I am looking for documents and writings from the "top Nazis" themselves that address the issue of the Catholic church.

If someone can't show me documented writings attributed to "top Nazis" on the subject of the Catholic church then such statements attributed to them are mere speculation and belief.

No, it simply means you're too dumb to infer.

If the pope excretes an encyclical stating the church position on nazism and racism, and if the top nazis (like Hitler) are catholics or ex-catholics, then a logical non-mickeyd's bag-fearing human can infer the top nazis find something missing in catholic doctrine since they didn't change their ways after the pope reproved them.

No, it simply means you're too dumb to infer.

If the pope excretes out an encyclical stating the church position on nazism and racism, and if the top nazis (like Hitler) are catholics or ex-catholics, then a logical non-mickeyd's bag-fearing human can infer the top nazis find something missing in catholic doctrine since they didn't change their ways after the pope reproved them.

I don't understand why a man of your literary talent can't just write that his conclusions are drawn upon Nazi policy and not a certain writing. I asked for a specific document attributed to the "top Nazis." You could have clarified that you were basing your conclusions on policy but you didn't. You resort to further ad hominem attacks.

I found Nazi Policy and the Catholic Church (http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0033.html) and I understand why the Nazis wouldn't want trade unions, assisted by the Catholic church, working against them. In light of the below quoted paragraph I'll remain open as to the real position until some empirical writing can be found on the subject. If the writer of this article believes there was a 'jewish holocaust' then he can be wrong about his other conclusions.

Though the scale of Christian persecution cannot be compared to the Jewish Holocaust of 1941-1945, except perhaps in Poland, the ultimate destruction of Christianity was one of the Nazis long-term aims. From his early years of political dreaming, from within the pages of Mein Kampf to the Table Talk Hitler himself made his contempt for the ‘slave’ ideology of Christianity and its Jewish roots perfectly clear

I'll have a look at 'Table Talk' and see what Hitler said.

I don't understand why a man of your literary talent can't just write that his conclusions are drawn upon Nazi policy and not a certain writing. I asked for a specific document attributed to the "top Nazis." You could have clarified that you were basing your conclusions on policy but you didn't. You resort to further ad hominem attacks.

I gave you the document from the church's side. From the nazi side, a particular document doesn't matter because the Nazi position is well known. The nazis reached a concordat with the church so that it would, for the most part, stay out of their politics. If you don't know that most top nazis were catholics/austrians, I can't help that. If you can't realize that nazism and catholicism are at odds on race, well, you're the only one with that problem.

Oh, wow – Mr. Linder attacking Christians again. Big shock.

:rolleyes:

“By their fruits...”

I was just testing your ability to reason Alex. A specific document was secondary to the primary objective. Thank you for your participation.

Nazism came out of southern Germany and Austria - Catholic areas, not north Germany. Obviously, since the pope spoke against nazism, it is against church dogma. Yet still huge numbers of Catholics including much or most of the top Nazi leadership rejected the pope's claims and went with the party. They did so because the Nazis acknowledged and offered solutions to problems the church was doctrinally and dogmatically prevented even from acknowledging as problems. People found the nazi solution to the jew problem (discriminate against it, take away its power) more persuasive than the Catholic solution (persuade the jew to convert to Catholicism).

I'll have a look at 'Table Talk' and see what Hitler said.

You should - here's some quotes:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore-- of a whore and a Roman soldier.

The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him. -Hitler [Table-Talk, p. 76]

Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld and thus organise a proto-Bolsevism.
-Hitler [Table-Talk, p. 143]

Luther had the merit of rising against the Pope and the organisation of the Church. It was the first of the great revolutions. And thanks to his translation of the Bible, Luther replaced our dialects by the great German language! -Table-Talk [p. 9]

We don't want to educate anyone in atheism. Table-Talk [p. 6]

An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal)... Table-Talk [p. 59]

It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. -Table-Talk [p. 61]

I envisage the future, therefore, as follows: First of all, to each man his private creed. Superstition shall not lose its rights. The Party is sheltered from the danger of competing with the religions. -Table-Talk [p. 62]

Know thy enemy, they hate Christ.

Then where did your idea that they hated Catholicism come from if not from their own mouth or hand? Aren't most 'history books' written by the victor? Are they not a third person opinion or belief of an event?

Where did I say they "hated" Catholicism, you dolt? I said Catholicism HAD NO ANSWERS for the problems plaguing Germany. I gave you the reason for this: the church is DOGMATICALLY (do you even know what the word means?) committed to the demonstrably false position that race does not exist, hence all that matters is whether the doofus of melanin has been dripped on by a duly empowered pedophile. You don't send a catholic boy to do a man's job, so the better Catholics recognized their religion was full of shit and did what reality indicated was necessary to clean up the problem.


You made statements that you attributed to top Nazis but apparently can't produce any evidence or documents to support your conclusion. That sounds like faith and belief to me.

No, you moron, I attributed no statement to anyone, I attributed a position based on well known facts.

My two penny's worth. The solution could lie in re-evaluating our morals and getting our priorities right, dumping the whole dialectic of good and evil in favour of healthy growth, being a qualitative extension of survival. The good/evil-sin loop is rotten to the core, step out of it. We are the luckiest race in the world, look at what a rich history we have to build on, even for all its faults, why else would we be the envy of all the rest of them? Our altruistically-leaning morals have screwed us up, if we could as a collective only find our balls again - our "White Power" - we could then continue our strident and victorious march into the future. In order to gain ownership of our future we must own the present, and presently, we don't - the jew does - and he uses the tactic of proxy, via his muds and White Robots. But one thing is for certain, we cannot pray ourselves out of this mess, only a naive fool would believe that.

the church is DOGMATICALLY (do you even know what the word means?) committed to the demonstrably false position that race does not exist, ...

No, you moron, I attributed no statement to anyone, I attributed a position based on well known facts.

Race clearly exists and there are scientific differences between them. Like I said, I'm no friend of Catholicism.

You attributed a position to "top Nazis."

Why is it so difficult for you to refrain from name calling?

Oh, wow – Mr. Linder attacking Christians again. Big shock.

:rolleyes:

“By their fruits...”

Shouldn't you be preparing a sermon for the two-digit twinks who eat your bologna?

Shouldn't you be preparing a sermon for the two-digit twinks who eat your bologna?

Good call, Mr. Linder.

Unlike yourself, my stats prove most in WN actually care about what I say, lol.

Carry on, antichrist. :rolleyes:

Still waiting for that debate,

Good call, Mr. Linder.

Unlike yourself, my stats prove WN actually cares about what I say, lol.

Carry on, antichrist. :rolleyes:

Still waiting for that debate,

Tried to give you rep on your previous post but have to spread some around. Thanks for the information.

Linder owned: priceless. :D

Race clearly exists and there are scientific differences between them. Like I said, I'm no friend of Catholicism.

You attributed a position to "top Nazis."

Why is it so difficult for you to refrain from name calling?

Because I grow tired of telling morons the sky is blue.

WTF?

Do you not realize the church and Nazi Party were at odds?

Do you not realize that a large percentage of top NS were Catholics?

Are you mentally unable to draw the obvious inferences?

Good call, Mr. Linder.

Unlike yourself, my stats prove most in WN actually care about what I say, lol.

Sure, they do. That's why you're always in my house and I'm never in yours. You people are congenitally stupid.


Still waiting for that debate,

You'll never get my help raising your status from dirt-eating loser, peabo.

Because I grow tired of telling morons the sky is blue.

WTF?

Do you not realize the church and Nazi Party were at odds?

Do you not realize that a large percentage of top NS were Catholics?

Are you mentally unable to draw the obvious inferences?

Of course I can draw inferences. It was just a test of your ability to reason, Alex. Reason being something you esteem highly.

Again, I thank you for your participation.

Of course I can draw inferences. It was just a test of your ability to reason, Alex. Reason being something you esteem highly.

Again, I thank you for your participation.

Go eat a McDirt, moron. I think they start serving them after 11:00a.m. down your way.

Sure, they do. That's why you're always in my house and I'm never in yours. You people are congenitally stupid.

Sorry - I don't speak ebonics. Come again?

Who's house? Run's house?

You'll never get my help raising your status from dirt-eating loser, peabo.

Kind of like you did to Rev. Fields in Knoxville?

"Nigger, nigger, nigger!" Now THAT'S a great speech. :rolleyes:

Thanks for leading by example - when the cops come fold up like a little girl:

http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/06a--linder1.jpg

Go eat a McDirt, moron. I think they start serving them after 11:00a.m. down your way.

The correct answer would have been: "[Insert your invective here], my conclusions are based upon Nazi policies and not any one document."

Reason: It's not just for 'intamalectuals.' :hflol

Sorry - I don't speak ebonics. Come again?

Who's house? Run's house?



Kind of like you did to Rev. Fields in Knoxville?

"Nigger, nigger, nigger!" Now THAT'S a great speech. :rolleyes:

Thanks for leading by example - when the cops come fold up like a little girl:

http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/06a--linder1.jpg

You're too dumb for this forum, but just right for the Tard Corral.

Enjoy your stay, dog.

The correct answer would have been:

Reason: It's not just for 'intamalectuals.' :hflol

To paraphrase Alex

"Many of the top Nazis were Catholic"
"The Catholic Church officially denounced Nazism"

The whole fucking point of being Catholic is following the dictation of the what?

"If you decide that you're still a Nazi following the complete rejection of Nazism by the Catholic Church (and this is fucking insane, right?), YOU'RE NO LONGER CATHOLIC"

An ad hominem is an argument that relies entirely on the insult. If you actually make an argument, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and you insult the person for their seeming inability to get the point, that is not ad hominem. Essentially, calling someone that is being stupid stupid is stating the obvious, not an argument based on insult.

"[Insert your invective here], my conclusions are based upon Nazi policies and not any one document."

"Words may show a man's wit, but actions his meaning."-Benjamin Franklin

An ad hominem is an argument that relies entirely on the insult.

Ad hominem might be defined as an appeal to lack of authority.


If you actually make an argument, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and then have to make it again, and you insult the person for their seeming inability to get the point, that is not ad hominem.

Exactly, in this case and many others it's garnish born of exasperation. The argument is there, the abuse is the gravy.


Essentially, calling someone that is being stupid stupid is stating the obvious, not an argument based on insult.

"Words may show a man's wit, but actions his meaning."-Benjamin Franklin

There's another point re ad hominem. While it is not strictly or formally logical, it is street-logical. We might not know a bunch of blacks near us have lengthy felon records, but we know that in general blacks are no good, so we act accordingly. Pointing out that a source is an idiot, even if we have no other arguments, doesn't strike me as an illogical thing to do, no matter what Aristotle said. Maybe Aristotle had something to hide.

I mean, if you're drawing water out of a lead-lined well, is it truly illogical to point out the fact that the well is lined with poison, even though you haven't actually run tests on the water?

We are not called "Christendom" for nothing. We are the only Christendom there is.

The west is not going to become a faith-less culture. Only the Jews seem to have a system that functions without a Supreme Being. But they do have a creed - if you want to call it that - self worship.
The only way we can become a system of self worshipers without a God is not to have a conscience. The Jews don't have one. Some individuals might be influenced by our honesty, but Jews as a whole are not.

With the lessening of religious influence white Society is falling apart. There was a time when pedophiles would have been strung up by their thumbs. Dishonest business practices were almost unheard of. Dope was not a staple. Gays would not be prancing around like peacocks. Men were strict with women, but not unkind. Even the Negroes behaved themselves.

It is not our religion that is making the west a shambles. It is the Jew. The Church is being torn down along with everything else.

To paraphrase Alex

"Many of the top Nazis were Catholic"
"The Catholic Church officially denounced Nazism"

The whole fucking point of being Catholic is following the dictation of the what?

I'll take "the church" for 100 dollars, Alex?

And it's not like there was any middle ground between the Catholic church and the Nazi's. You were either one or the other. Even prior to ww2, (before Hitler had attained big boogy man status) you would never see Nazi's proudly proclaiming themselves Catholic or gawd forbid.. Catholics proudly proclaiming themselves Nazi's. You didn't mix the two, everybody knew that. It's self evident. It doesn't require any documentation. It would be like asking for documentation that grass is green.

But I guess it was just a "test" for Linder. A severe and searching test (nay more like a crucible) designed to identify at exactly what point he will give up in exasperation over the sheer inane-ness and repetitiousness of the question.

"If you decide that you're still a Nazi following the complete rejection of Nazism by the Catholic Church (and this is fucking insane, right?), YOU'RE NO LONGER CATHOLIC"

Quite right. The Nazi's and the Catholics were diametrically opposed on so many levels that to be considered both would be unfathomable.

We are not called "Christendom" for nothing. We are the only Christendom there is.

The majority of Christians are non-white. That fact doesn't go away because you ignore it. Rather the whole point of Christendom, which pertains to Catholicism until recently, is that it is general rather than specific to a race. Which is the source of the problem.

Christianity doesn't fit Whites, if it ever did.


The west is not going to become a faith-less culture. Only the Jews seem to have a system that functions without a Supreme Being. But they do have a creed - if you want to call it that - self worship.

They get along with each other and work together better than we do. Instead of insulting them, perhaps we'd be wise to study them. If you take tips from losers, you're learning how to lose. If you take tips from winners, just maybe you learn how to win. Jews simply put their Tribe ahead of all else, there's no worship involved. They don't just claim they put their race first, they actually do put their race first.


The only way we can become a system of self worshipers without a God is not to have a conscience. The Jews don't have one. Some individuals might be influenced by our honesty, but Jews as a whole are not.

Try looking at things logically instead of force-fitting them to a religious mold. The jews are a different species. Religion, morals, conscience has nothing to do with it. We don't like them because they're not us, there's no judgment or morality involved, logically. The minute you invoke those things, without realizing it, you've backed onto the faulty assumption, held by all Christianity, that the human race is one - that's the catholic, the general, the one-size-fits-all, nature of Catholicism, which is Christianity.

The jews aint us, and we aint them. Neither likes the other. The question is Lenin's: Who? Whom? Who does what to whom? Right now the jews are doing to us. The technical question, not moral question, is how we turn the tables on them. For that question, Christianity has no answer whatsoever except converting jews, which 2000 years of experience shows does not work.


With the lessening of religious influence white Society is falling apart.

You still haven't proved that the irreligious are a whit less moral than the religious.


There was a time when pedophiles would have been strung up by their thumbs.

Who tolerates more pedophiles than the Christian church? The Catholic policy, again POLICY, whenever a pedo-priest was discovered, was to pass it on to a new parish, I kid you not.


Dishonest business practices were almost unheard of. Dope was not a staple. Gays would not be prancing around like peacocks. Men were strict with women, but not unkind. Even the Negroes behaved themselves.

As Spengler says, it is your church that is the grandmother of all this - this bolshevism, this liberalism, this looseness. Remember what Jesus said, "Judge not lest ye be judged." That is the source of the liberalism you hate. As for race, how can the church take it into account, when Jesus himself said to abandon your parents and family if they didn't accept your new beliefs?


It is not our religion that is making the west a shambles. It is the Jew. The Church is being torn down along with everything else.

But WHY?

Why can't the church resist the jew? The answer is that the church refuses to see the jew for what it is. The church insists the jew is just another man, who needs conversion like everyone else. The facts say otherwise.

There is no solution in the church due to its dogmatic commitment to counter-factuality.

If Whites are the best, how did it come to pass that they accepted this malarkey?

Definitions of malarkey on the Web:
wind: empty rhetoric or insincere or exaggerated talk; "that's a lot of wind"; "don't give me any of that jazz"
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Nonsense; rubbish
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/malarkey

Malarkey is slang for silliness or nonsense.
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Totalitarian religious and totalitarian atheist systems cannot co-exist.

Catholicism is a totalitarian religion, thus in its very essence, it actively combats non - Catholic political ideologies.

The Nazis and Catholics were at odds.
Catholicism has survived and prospered in the former Nazi states, Nazism has not.

The Communists and Catholics were at odds.
Catholicism and its Byzantine Orthodox cousin has survived and prospered in the former Communist states, communism has not.

If a totalitarian political system is ever fully implemented in the EU or US, it will be at odds with Catholicism.

Thus the disintegration of the impending totalitarian atheist political systems in the US and EU, through secession and from within, will be carried out by believers in a totalitarian religion, and the only one that exists in the West, is Catholicism.

Polish Catholics initiated the series of secessions that disintegrated the USSR.

Those who will not learn from history, are destined to repeat it.

Totalitarian religious and totalitarian atheist systems cannot co-exist.

I never heard of a totalitarian system that forgives every single mistake you make if you say you're sorry.


Catholicism is a totalitarian religion, thus in its very essence, it actively combats non - Catholic political ideologies.

Not really. Apart from a few wimpy missives, the only truly pro-active things the Catholics did against the Nazis was demand they quit euthanizing retards. Apparently it was cutting into their customer base.

Those who will not learn from history, are destined to repeat it.

You construe too narrowly. Catholicism was roundly defeated by jewish nazism. Today it exists as a cur mewling for scraps under the master's table.

The Catholic church does not forgive sin.
It intercedes with and requests God on behalf of the sinner to forgive the sinner.
Whether the sinner is then forgiven or not is up to God.

People and nations have fought against Roman Catholics for 2000 years.
Who's still standing?

Compare the political and economic power of the religious groups to the atheist groups.

What we personally believe or not is irrelevant.
What matters is what will motivate Whites to separate from Jews.
So far, Catholics have done so the most often.

Catholicism is an idea, and the only way to defeat an idea, is with a better idea.
Atheism is just as much a belief as Christianity, and has not succeeded in replacing Christianity, after 2000 years.
Communism is more based upon atheism than Christianity.

Most of the Whites we see aborting their babies are atheists.
Most of the Whites we see with large White families, are Christians.
Most whites with political power either do believe, or pretend they believe.

Political power today is gained by the support of ethnic and religious groups.
Without political power, we will not succeed.
Without ethnic and religious support, we will not gain political power.

The consequence of attacking Christianity, is not gaining political power, and not succeeding.
Why don't you want to succeed, Alex?

It won't stop the WN movement if you attack Christianity, you will just be relegated to the sidelines of the movement, which outside the US, and within most secession groups within the US, is being driven by...Christians.

Study the history of WW2 a bit more closely.
Catholics and their offshoot the Anglicans and Episcopalians, formed the majority of the troops actually fighting against the Nazis, urged on by their churches.

The churches gave people the courage, infrastructure and training to resist within the Soviet Union, and to secede.

Political groups power pales into insignificance when compared to religious groups power.

The whole fucking point of being Catholic is following the dictation of the what?

The Bible, which is why Catholicism is a problem for me. I don't need the government to tell me how to run my business and I don't need a church to tell me how to interpret the Bible or live my life. As someone else said, 'I learned most of what I needed to know in kindergarten.'

The Catholic church does not forgive sin.
It intercedes with and requests God on behalf of the sinner to forgive the sinner. Whether the sinner is then forgiven or not is up to God.


Yeah, sure, if you say so.


People and nations have fought against Roman Catholics for 2000 years.
Who's still standing?

Pond scum's been around for billions of years. By your standard it's superior to Catholicism.


Compare the political and economic power of the religious groups to the atheist groups.

Ok. The Catholic invite pro-abortionist president to Notre Dame to take a big figurative dump on their beliefs, while the jews make one call to a Catholic university in D.C. and get a top catholic intellectual's talk canceled. So I'd say the atheists are winning that one. The Catholics are merely tolerated because they don't stand for anything and don't threaten anybody with their views, which they're more than willing to change under pressure.


What we personally believe or not is irrelevant.
What matters is what will motivate Whites to separate from Jews.
So far, Catholics have done so the most often.

Yeah, if you don't know any history. You can't simply make things up as you go along. Oh wait - you can. You're a religious fool, and that's how their alternative reality works. Catholics don't want to separate from jews, they want to convert, to bring them into their community of delusion.


Catholicism is an idea, and the only way to defeat an idea, is with a better idea. Atheism is just as much a belief as Christianity, and has not succeeded in replacing Christianity, after 2000 years. Communism is more based upon atheism than Christianity.

Yeah, well you know more than Spengler. All liberalism comes directly from Jesus and the church. Reality-is-option - where has that led the west? To where we are now.

The more attractive view is taking facts into account, defending our interests in public, and drawing people to us. The church resists and resents our effort every bit as strongly as the jews, because the church actually thrives under oppression.


Most of the Whites we see aborting their babies are atheists.

You're pulling that out of your goddam ass.


Most of the Whites we see with large White families, are Christians.


90% of the population claims to be Christian. It means nothing. 90% of those claiming to be Christian would fail the map n flashlight test.


Most whites with political power either do believe, or pretend they believe.


Their actions show what they really believe.


Political power today is gained by the support of ethnic and religious groups.
Without political power, we will not succeed. Without ethnic and religious support, we will not gain political power.

The consequence of attacking Christianity, is not gaining political power, and not succeeding. Why don't you want to succeed, Alex?


Sucking up to Christians hasn't succeeded either. Why do you want us to fail, Hugh?


It won't stop the WN movement if you attack Christianity, you will just be relegated to the sidelines of the movement, which outside the US, and within most secession groups within the US, is being driven by...Christians.

The hell it is. There is no movement. What will make a movement is men willing to go public under their own names and lead. There isn't any of that. Our opinion about Christianity doesn't matter a bit. We have plenty of Christians here even though they know I despise their false belief.


Study the history of WW2 a bit more closely.
Catholics and their offshoot the Anglicans and Episcopalians, formed the majority of the troops actually fighting against the Nazis, urged on by their churches.

Bullshit. The Nazis were stopped by Russian peasants driven by jewish atheists backed with American money.


The churches gave people the courage, infrastructure and training to resist within the Soviet Union, and to secede.

It was the weakness of the people due to the church that allowed an almost literal handful of jewish communists to take over the giant nation of Russia in the first place.

The church's false dogma about jews has put our race in the balance, and you're advising we look to these fools, these liars, these weaklings, these givers-in, these excuse-makers, these homo- and pedo-coddlers for support.


Political groups power pales into insignificance when compared to religious groups power.

Thanks for the laugh.

Go eat a McDirt, moron. I think they start serving them after 11:00a.m. down your way.

It's pathetic the way these WN christians get offended when we try to free them from jew-created superstitions, and their life-long terror of eternal hell-fire and damnation. The fools actually take it personally. They think we're attacking them rather than the kosher poison they've been fed all their lives.

It's pathetic the way these WN christians get offended when we try to free them from jew-created superstitions, and their life-long terror of eternal hell-fire and damnation. The fools actually take it personally. They think we're attacking them rather than the kosher poison they've been fed all their lives.

Brittleness is a good test of falsehood. If something or someone falls apart at a modest poke, it probably wasn't solid to begin with.

Brittleness is a good test of falsehood. If something or someone falls apart at a modest poke, it probably wasn't solid to begin with.

Well, one part of christianity isn't falling apart - the part that requires christians to love their illegal alien neighbors. Check this out:



Culture Wars (http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=15) : NATIONAL EVANGELICALS PRESIDENT SAYS PRO-AMNESTY SUPPORT WAS UNANIMOUS
Posted by David Virtue (http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/userinfo.php?uid=2) on 2009/10/10 10:20:00 (240 reads)
NATIONAL EVANGELICALS PRESIDENT SAYS PRO-AMNESTY SUPPORT WAS UNANIMOUS

Rev. Leith Anderson, president of the NAE, was invited by Sen. Shumer (D-N.Y.) to testify in favor of the Senate immigration chairman's push to create amnesty legislation this fall.

Sen. Shumer asked Rev. Anderson if many of his colleagues agree with his support for legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens and increasing the legal immigration far higher than the 1 million a year current level (the two key components of "comprehensive immigration reform").

Rev. Anderson answered that there was no dissent in adopting the pro-amnesty resolution on the 75-member NAE board of directors.

ZERO dissent.

SOME OF THE DENOMINATIONS & ORGANIZATIONS BEHIND THE AMNESTY PUSH

Rev. Anderson described the NAE as:

. . . a network of 40 denominations comprising more than 45,000 local churches located in every congressional district and every state. The NAE membership also includes evangelical universities, seminaries, ministries, local congregations, and individuals.

Here is the list of the denominational members: http://www.nae.net/membership/current-members (http://www.nae.net/membership/current-members)

Notable among the members are:

* Anglican Mission in America -- Phone: 843.237.0318 -- Fax: 843.237.4008 -- info@theamia.org (info@theamia.org) -- Chairman Charles H. Murphy III's Chief of Staff: sgrayson@theamia.org (sgrayson@theamia.org)
* Assemblies of God -- Phone: 417-862-2781 -- Toll Free: 1-877-840-4800 -- Email: Contributions@ag.org (Contributions@ag.org), General Superintendent GeneralSuperintendent@ag.org (GeneralSuperintendent@ag.org), or from this page: http://ag.org/top/contact.cfm (http://ag.org/top/contact.cfm)
* Brethren in Christ Church -- Phone: 717.697.2634 -- bic@bic-church.org (bic@bic-church.org)
* Christian Reformed Church in North America -- Phone: 616-241-1691 or 1-877-279-9994 ---- Fax: 616-224-0803 --- E-mail: crcna@crcna.org (crcna@crcna.org)
* Church of God -- Phone: (423) 472-3361 * Church of the Nazarene -- Phone: 913.577.0500 -- E-mail from this page: http://nazarene.org/contactus.aspx (http://nazarene.org/contactus.aspx)
* Churches of Christ In Christian Union -- Phone: 740.474.8856 -- Email from this page: http://www.cccuhq.org/component/option (http://www.cccuhq.org/component/option),com_contact/task,view/contact_id,8/Itemid,89/
* Evangelical Presbyterian Church -- Phone: 734-742-2020 - Fax: 734-742-2033 -- Email: webmaster@epc.org (webmaster@epc.org)
* Evangelical Free Church of America -- Phone: 1-800-745-2202 -- Email: webmaster@efca.org (webmaster@efca.org)
* Fellowship of Evangelical Churches -- Phone: 260-423-3649 -- Email: fecministries@fecministries.org (fecministries@fecministries.org)
* Free Methodist Church of North America -- Phone: 317-244-3660 -- Toll Free: 1-800-342-5531 -- Email: info@freemethodistchurch.org (info@freemethodistchurch.org)
* General Association of General Baptists -- Telephone: 573-785-7746 -- Fax: 573-785-0564 -- E-mail from this page: http://www.generalbaptist.com/contactus.htm (http://www.generalbaptist.com/contactus.htm)
* International Church of the Foursquare Gospel -- Phone: 1-888-635-4234 -- Email from this page: http://www.foursquare.org/contact/ (http://www.foursquare.org/contact/)
* International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies -- Phone: 724-962-3501
* International Pentecostal Church of Christ -- Phone: 740-852-4722 -- Email: General Overseer c.hughes@ipcc.cc (c.hughes@ipcc.cc)
* International Pentecostal Holiness Church -- Phone: 405-787-7110 -- Email: info@iphc.org (info@iphc.org)
* Presbyterian Church in America -- Telephone: 678-825-1000 -- Fax: 678-825-1001-- Email: ac@pcanet.org (ac@pcanet.org)
* Primitive Methodist Church USA -- Phone: 215-675-2639 -- Email: Rev. Kerry R. Ritts, President revkrr@aol.com (revkrr@aol.com)
* Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America -- Phone: 412-731-1177-- Email from this page: http://reformedpresbyterian.org/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=4&Itemid=71 (http://reformedpresbyterian.org/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=4&Itemid=71)
* The Brethren Church -- Phone: 419.289.1708 * The Christian & Missionary Alliance -- Phone: 719-599-5999 -- Email: webmaster@cmalliance.org (webmaster@cmalliance.org)
* The Evangelical Church -- Phone: 763-424-2589 -- Email: ecdenom@usfamily.net (ecdenom@usfamily.net)
* The Salvation Army --- E-mail at: NHQ_Webmaster@usn.salvationarmy.org (NHQ_Webmaster@usn.salvationarmy.org) --- 703-299-8314 --- toll free 800-725-2769 --- fax 703-684-3478
* The Vineyard, USA --- Phone: 281-313-8463 -- Fax: 281-313-8464 -- Email: info@vineyardusa.org (info@vineyardusa.org)
* Transformation Ministries -- Phone: 626-915-7641 -- Toll Free: 1-800-299-3448 -- Email: crc@transmin.org (crc@transmin.org)
* United Brethren in Christ -- Phone: 260-356-2312 -- Email from this page: http://www.ub.org/forms/feedback.html (http://www.ub.org/forms/feedback.html)
* US Conference of the Mennonite Brethren Churches -- Phone: Midwest Office 316-558-8688 or Toll Free 1-800-257-0515, West Coast 661-412-4939 -- Emai: Executive Director, Ed Boschman ebed@usmb.org (ebed@usmb.org)
* The Wesleyan Church Corporation -- Phone: 317-774-7900 -- Email: information@wesleyan.org (information@wesleyan.org)

END

Jebus loves the little mudbags of the world.

The jews are the apple of his eye, and the turd world are the road apples of his eye.

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Even pygmies think it's nonsense.

APPLE OF GOD'S EYE-

Reminds of the Playboy interview with Bill Shockley (1980).
Shockley said the reason niggers were viewed as being equal is due to "the apple of god's eye syndrome."

>>Famous Race-Scientist Endorses The Thunderbolt

Prof. William Shockley is the world's most famous researcher into the mental differences which exist between the races. Prof. Shockley won a Nobel Prize for his part in the discovery and invention of the transistor. He was also awarded a Medal of honor and a $10,000 prize by the Institute of Electronic Engineers whose past president, Jerom Sruan, declared: If there's one person who's had the most impact on electronics in this century, it is Dr. Shockley."

Playboy Magazine of Aug. 1980 carried an indepth interview with Dr. Shockley in which he made the following comment about this newspaper. He stated in part:

"I have appeared a few times prominently in such right-wing Publications as The Thunderbolt, a newspaper supported by the National States Rights Party . . . On two points I put The Thunderbolt ahead of much of the American press. First, I believe it is not hypocritical. Second it sometimes publishes valid news that I don't find elsewhere. I also believe that the net result of getting the truth out will be good and that misinterpretations will be corrected."

Major Findings of Dr. Shockley

Dr. William Shockley is a professor at Stanford University in Calif. Basically the following constitute his views after many years of painstaking study and research.

1) Historically, blacks have an I.Q. 15 points lower than that of the average White. The difference is due to heredity and not environment.

2) Positive traits found in high I.Q. people include honesty, resistance to cheating and physical capacity. It takes such good traits to develop and maintain a good society.

3) Parents who have high I.Q.s have high I.Q. children and the opposite is true for those with low I.Q.s.

4) We live in a Dark Age dogmatism which blocks objective studies of the I.Q. differences which exist.

5) Low I.Q. blacks and Mexicans are outbreeding Whites. This element is the major cause of poverty, crime and unemployment and a host of other human miseries that impose heavy burdens on society. Today we are breeding problem makers instead of problem solvers . People with the low I.Q. of '80 make up a majority of the prison population of America. (Average White I.Q. is 105).

6) Low I.Q. blacks are bearing twice as many children as Whites and Aid to Dependent Children is doubling every 10 years. Thus it will be 1,000 times higher than it was 20 years ago in a century, creating a burden society cannot bear.

7) Negroes' intellectual and social deficits are hereditary and racially genetic. Thus, they are not remediable by improving their environment. Negroes are genetically enslaved to a life of frustration and may be the root cause of urban decay. It is possible that welfare mothers have babies to increase their income.

8) Negroes have a spouse killing spouse mortality rate 13 times higher than Whites. A young black male in Harlem is more than 100 times more likely to be a homicide victim than a White male in Denmark.

Opposes Mixed Marriages

Dr. Shockley states that if an employer chooses at random 109 blacks and 10 Whites to work, the Whites will coinsistently outperform the blacks. If an average black couple and an average White couple from the very same economic background have a baby the White will always have a higher I.Q. than the black. Thus Dr. Shockley declares he is against interracial marriage because it would lower the average I.Q. of the general population.

Still he says it has been proven that the higher the percentage of White genes in a black person the higher his I.Q. will be. A study in Oakland, Calif. found that the average black's genes were 22% White. He says that industrialists who have operated in Africa have told him "of the greater value of mulattoes over pure blacks as employees."

He quotes the book "Race" by J.R. Baker as stating that most of the eminent American negroes have substantial fractions of Caucasian ancestry. The conclusion seems to me to be borne out by blacks seen on TV - for example by black newscasters. Racial differences in intelligence are much deeper than skin color, of course.

Blacks forced to compete with Whites under quota hiring are underqualified as a whole. Even remedial training will not help elevate them. Thus they are left frustrated and instilled with a feeling of paranoia. What we need is genetic engineering to stop the deterioration of the overall intellectual capacity of the population.

Here Is Dr. Shockley's Answer

There are many different intelligence levels in the vaarious races including species within the same racial groups. An examination of the I.Q.s of African tribes found that the Bushmen were the lowest with an I.Q. of 50 and the highest were the Ndau and Wakaranga of Rhodesia with I.Q.s of 80. This is still lower than the average I.Q. of the California negro which is 90. (The average White I.Q. is 105).

VSBP stands for the Voluntary Sterilization Bonus Plan. This is Dr. Shockley's solution to the racial problem which is eroding the very foundations of White American civilization. He would give a cash bonus to all low I.Q. people who would undergo a voluntary sterilization. Dr. Shockley suggests a figure of $1,000 for every I.Q. point under 100. That would mean $30,000 to a welfare mother with an I.Q. of 70. But this is insignificant when one considers that for the state to take care of one of her mentally retarded children for a lifetime would cost over $300,000!

Dr. Shockley says that Southern states which carried out sterilization programs for the mentally retarded should not be condemned because they acted in a humanitarian way for the benefit of those who suffer the most from a low I.Q. Shockley believes that a great many blacks would accept the money and civilization could yet be saved.

Dr. Shockley has risked life and limb by addressing college audiences all across this land on the scientific thesis he has developed. Shockley is 71 years of age and of slight build. Yet, he has faced open attack by Marxists and black extremists. He says that at his age he has nothing to lose in spending the later years of his life reaching the people with the truth. Shockley quotes Herbert Spencer: "The profoundest of all infidelities is the fear that the truth will be bad!"

Dr. Shockley says that his work is made possible by the First Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing the right of "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" He describes this as "the most important words put on paper by man."

When asked why he has sacrificed his privacy and placed his very life on the line to bring the truth to the people he replies that:

"I take this stand because I might well instill one man to take action - to get a proposition on a ballot or organize a demonstration. I don't know who it might be."

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http://www.ferris.edu/isar/bios/shockley/

Dear readers: - LET IT BE US!<<

As someone who went to Catholic school for 12 years Linder summed them up well with this quote, "The Catholics are merely tolerated because they don't stand for anything and don't threaten anybody with their views, which they're more than willing to change under pressure."

Catholics are more likely to help an animist or Muslim nigger in African then their own kind. While parents have trouble paying tuition to send their kids to Catholic schools, the church turns around and sends large chunks of donation to Africa. Look how many Catholic Universities and hospitals there are in non Catholic third world countries. Looking how willing the Catholic Church has been when it comes to supporting the "indigenous" stealing the wealth off of European business owners in Latin America. They are just like our government, they use white peoples money to subsidize non whites, Catholic, quasi-Catholic, and non Catholic. You don't see the Jewish philanthropy in non Jewish lands, or any other non Christian religious group for that matter.

[QUOTE]As someone who went to Catholic school for 12 years Linder summed them up well with this quote, "The Catholics are merely tolerated because they don't stand for anything and don't threaten anybody with their views, which they're more than willing to change under pressure."

Exactly
These days there is no need for jews to even pressure the Catholic Church as the good little Catholics have mastered the art of sucking jew cock to perfection.

. Looking how willing the Catholic Church has been when it comes to supporting the "indigenous" stealing the wealth off of European business owners in Latin America

The Catholic Church is used by ZOG to crush nationalist resistance to the NWO in South America.

Pope to Hugo Chavez: Preserve Catholic Identity

Pope Benedict XVI told Hugo Chavez on Thursday that he was very concerned about moves to limit the Catholic Church's influence in Venezuela, including proposals to change anti-abortion rules, the Vatican said.

The Catholic Church has been one of the most critical voices against the leftist Venezuela president, who has in the past called the church leadership a "tumor."
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/5/10/232718.shtml

If a shit skin like Hugo Chavez can see that the Catholic Church is 'a tumor' why can't the majority of white people?

The Catholic church will even oppose muds if their goals begin to clash with Big Jew and his global project.

The problem is Christians believe Jesus was a Jew. That is exactly why Christians tolerate the Jews. Doing something about the Jews would be like attacking the Lord. We can criticize them and look down on them as stupid glucks, but we have not come up with anything that would debunk the idea Jesus was a Jew. If we could find something that would clear up their confusion they would accept it. They are like all people in that they want to be sure in their minds before they change what they believe. They don't want any nagging doubts.

I don't exactly trust Paul. He (not Christ) is the one who said there is no Jew or Greek, nor male or female, etc...for all are one in Christ, the Lord. Hmmmm....

There is so much uncertainly about the events in the Bible. The Bible is just about all we have. No evidence exists that any of the people in the Bible even lived. No records. I believe I read where a record was found of Pilate as Procurator of Jerusalem, but little else. There may still be scraps of letters in the Smithsonian of a couple of Roman soldiers who sent letters back to their families in Rome about a Messiah, a tall man with pale eyes" and "a tall man with strawberry blond hair." Those soldiers probably noticed Jesus because He did not have a short, swarthy look like the Jews in Jerusalem.

When it comes to religion there are some men who want a fact they can pound on before they accept it. A theory is not a fact until -and unless - it is found to be so. Yet, we have no problem with theories. We can become excited about theories - like Darwin's - and gush over them. I am sure many theories remained just that - theories.
I have noticed a resistance to Jesus Christ. Not a benign resistance, but a hostile resistance. Like...."well, you are not going to trap me in your hyperbole."

But what if it makes one a better person? Or a happier person? Or a wiser person? Or a greater person? What if we find consolation from Christ that makes life easier on us to deal with? Or gives us a purpose that we can reach above ourselves? Too, what if all those weak people who believe Jesus was a Jew had no belief in Christ or God, at all? Wouldn't they be even more intolerable? Could we stand them at all? With or without belief all those people would still exist. How could we deal with the weakness and stupidity of - just empty vessels?

I don't exactly trust Paul. He (not Christ) is the one who said there is no Jew or Greek, nor male or female, etc...for all are one in Christ, the Lord. Hmmmm....





The apostle Paul was racially a Jew, formerly named Saul. Jews have been playing games for a looooong time.



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We don't need to agree with how cars have been designed, we simply need to be able to drive them as they are.

Struggle is the same.

I'm neither Catholic nor Christian, I'm agnostic.
Some of my family are Catholic, and some actually do appear to believe it, and it gives them comfort, so good for them.

Since I live in this world, I concern myself with what works here.



Sucking up to Christians hasn't succeeded either.



Yes it has. Jews rule us because their servants publicly support Christianity,and Christians are under the impression that the servants are the masters.

Just because political power over whites so far has not been used to our benefit, does not change the fact that it was obtained through appeals to Christianity.

Peoples actions usually correspond with what they believe.

What they say however rarely corresponds with what they believe, take white flight for example.

Abortion does not correspond with Catholic beliefs, it is in direct opposition to it, so those promoting it are not acting as Catholics. We know Jews have corrupted most White leadership, and this is just an example of it.

Christian beliefs are based upon what priests say, not upon what the Bible says.
Hardly any Christians I've ever met have read the Bible.
I did, and that was when I went from being Christian to being agnostic.

Liberalism arises during prosperity, conservatism arises during hardship.
The two have existed all over the world, for all known history.
Appearances and names have changed, but the substance remains the same.


The more attractive view is taking facts into account, defending our interests in public, and drawing people to us.


Yes it certainly is.
But attractive and effective are not the same. It has not been effective.


The church resists and resents our effort every bit as strongly as the jews, because the church actually thrives under oppression.


Yes, and people support it because it offers more benefits than atheism.
The cost/benefit ratio is the key to struggle.
We will defeat our opponents when it costs them too much to oppose us, and vice-versa.

Most politicians have no political beliefs, they go along to get along. They are led by those with genuine political convictions, usually based upon religious beliefs, and directly controlled by those holding positions within their party.

Parties have policy units which decide policy. It is in that policy area that the Jews operate.
Politicians that don't support those policies, publicly at least, get removed.


90% of the population claims to be Christian. It means nothing. 90% of those claiming to be Christian would fail the map n flashlight test.


It means everything.
The majority always wins in the end.
If you want to be their leader, you will need to publicly support and not oppose their beliefs.

Beliefs are changed by those with power.
If you want to change their beliefs, you will need them to give you power.
If you oppose Christianity publicly, you will never gain power, and what you think will not matter.
That's why Jews have to rule through Christian leaders, for now.
As they emerge, and Christians see they no longer control the situation, they will separate from the Jews, as they always have.
The current situation is not new.
It's the same people, doing the same things, the same ways, and experiencing the same results.



There is no movement. What will make a movement is men willing to go public under their own names and lead.


No movement as you want the movement to be.

Unbundle the various objectives, and one can see nationalism amongst Whites is growing steadily, as is revisionism and anti-semitism, but these are three different things, and three different movements.

Nationalism is about creating and maintaining nations, which in the final stages occurs through
secession.

Secession movements exist in 28 US states.

Within most European countries there are mainstream movements which govern areas, including Belgium the heart and actual ruling centre of the EU, where the nationalists have brought the entire government down several times, and their power grows daily.
The succesful nationalist movements have their bases in religous and ethnic groups.

Germany, Italy, France, UK, Belgium and most European countries are all fake countries, made up, like the US, South Africa and Australia out of formerly independent or autonomous regions, forced into unnatural unions.

The US as it is today has not even been around 200 years, nor have most current European states as now constituted.

The fracture lines between the constituent states are growing, we need to hammer the wedges deeper to widen those cracks. Religion and ethnicity are the two most powerful forces in politics.

More than a dozen states seceded from the Soviet Union in less than 20 years, and several more are in the process of seceding from them, as well as the Ukraine which is splitting in two, along religious lines.

The disintegration of Yugoslavia was as much a series of religious wars as it was anything else, and the history of the region shows religious wars to be the norm.

People don't follow groups and individuals because of what they stand against, they follow them because of what they stand for.



Our opinion about Christianity doesn't matter a bit. We have plenty of Christians here even though they know I despise their false belief.


On a forum, true.
In real life where people need to be persuaded to give time and money and effort, under often life-threatening conditions, it matters a great deal.

And they have more influence in reality.

Make use of what is available, not what one like to have available.


The Nazis were stopped by Russian peasants driven by jewish atheists backed with American money.


The Nazis were stopped when the number of Nazis fell below the critical mass needed for them to maintain control of Germany, and to be able to act effectively.

You claim Muslims and Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus aren't more powerful than political parties, I say they are.

Succesful struggles are those that face and deal with things as they are, not as they would like them to be.

Afghanistan is a good example of this. The Afghans are in the process of destroying the US federal government, and thereby Jewish control, in the name of God.

Afghanistan will bring about the fall of the US armed forces, not Iraq or Iran.
They always fight the exact same way, and empire after empire has refused to learn from that, entered Afghanistan and been crushed.

The British invaded, conquered and were then driven out three times, in the same places, the same way, on relatively the same time scale, as the Soviet Union and the US and all the other previous conquerors of Afghanistan have been.

The economic consequences of the wars they conducted in Afghanistan were crushing, and reduced the ability of the empires to control their subjects.

Those defeats gave hope to the subjects of those empires that nationalism could succeed, and together with the economic weaknesses resulting from the struggle in Afghanistan, that confidence together with assurances of paradise, led to the disintegration of those empires.

In the past, Catholics have been better at excluding the Jews from society than Protestants have, but to embrace Catholicism on that account would be to revert to the rule of alien popes in place of the rule of alien Jews. Even if Catholicism has generally been a more benevolent despotism, it's still inconsistent with white nationalism.

In the past, Catholics have been better at excluding the Jews from society than Protestants have, but to embrace Catholicism on that account would be to revert to the rule of alien popes in place of the rule of alien Jews. Even if Catholicism has generally been a more benevolent despotism, it's still inconsistent with white nationalism.


Catholic means universal, all embracing.
It's a universal totalitarian system, that destroys other totalitarian systems that compete with it.

It's not a question of embracing it, or even of supporting it.
It's a question of having enough on our plate, without constantly sidelining ourselves, without antagonising people needlessly, without alienating ourselves and making things more difficult than they already are.

I have yet to see anyone lay out the actual real practical benefits to Whites of antagonising the majority of Whites against the movement, and how alienating and sidelining the movement from the majority of Whites gains the movement support amongst Whites.

Can you give some benefits, in the real world, like how doing so will gain real, tangible political, social and economic support?

See, often folks who give out the appearance of being aggressive fighters and who talk tough, have never actually formed a real group, or run real activities in real life, or actually ever been in a real struggle.

That's why I recommend people join mainstream groups, irrespective of whether they agree with them or not, even if only temporarily as a sort of proof of concept, or training course in reality.

They will find that attacking Christians means you don't actually get meaningful White support.

Whether it should be that way is irrelevant.
Whether it will be that way in the future is irrelevant.
The rights and wrongs of it, what could be, what should be are all irrelevant.

Things are as they are, here, now, in reality.

It's about working in the real world, dealing with real people, in real groups, doing real things to solve real problems.

It's about actually working with things the way they actually are.

I've worked in emergency and disaster situations, and the only ones who could be counted upon to step up to the plate were the Christians.

Day after day, night after night, rain, sun, hail, no matter how long the working hours, or ugly or dirty the work was, and it was sometimes really disgusting, humanity at its very lowest and most uncivilized levels, there they were.
The atheists weren't there.

In the secession movements today, most are Christians.
The atheists aren't there.

In most social movements today requiring giving of time and money and effort, and political parties, the Christians are there, the atheists aren't.

When it comes to building hospitals and schools and cities and fighting actual real people trying to kill you, the Christians are there, the atheists aren't.

When it comes to building lasting organisations, organising on a massive scale, the only organisation capable of matching the state, are Christian ones.

See, what counts is what you actually, physically do.

Christians do things, atheists don't.

Alienating ourselves from people who do things, in order to appeal to people who don't do things, is not wise.

Hitler wasn't a Christian, but he kept that information to himself when addressing the public.

The WN leadership should do the same.

Attack the race mixing churches on the grounds that they're promoting the destruction of the White race, not on their theology. More than 75% of Whites oppose open borders, and they really don't care what the Pope or any other Christian leader thinks about the subject.

Any White man who wants a White nation is with us, regardless of what God, gods or spirits he believes in personally.

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a scene from Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood as adapted by John Houston

It's a question of having enough on our plate, without constantly sidelining ourselves, without antagonising people needlessly, without alienating ourselves and making things more difficult than they already are.

I don't think it's needless. WN must distinguish itself from other approaches, be they Christian, conservative or libertarian. The kinists believe Jesus the Jew is the answer to our Jewish problem. We disagree.

I don't worry about antagonizing people as an abstract category. If there were a specific person out there ready, willing and able to kill lots of Jews, but for VNN's antagonism, that would trouble me (if I really believed it). But if it's just more people posting on the internet, I could care less. Let them go to a less antagonistic forum and if they post something of value it will find its way here soon enough.

[Kinist response to me, which I will respond to this week.]


A Response to Alex Linder

Mon, Oct 12, 2009

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Alex Linder of Vanguard News Network has responded to our previous post. He begins with a nice compliment:

This is certainly one of the top five blogs out there for pure quality of writing, humor, and all around editorial goodness. That said, SWB is Christian, and while it laments anti-White practices of most of the modern church, it also attacks good old-fashioned evidence-based WNism. It turns out, you see, everybody needs a savior.

Indeed, and throughout history almost no one has denied it, although there have been vast differences in how God is perceived. The Kinist God is the God of the Bible, not the god of William Pierce or any other charlatan who tries to play upon the universal need for spiritual validation by inventing unfalsifiable stories, and in the end, when he realizes that the god of his vain imagination is as lifeless as totems of wood and stone, turns to the only life he knows and makes a god of his race, which is just another way of saying that his god is his own self. Of all religions in the world, the ambassador of only one came as the Son of the Creator and Law-Giver, and He did what no other man could do or would do: He died in our place to satisfy the penalty of our sin. Therefore we live, not because of enlightenment or karma but because Christ first loved us. Miracles confirmed His authority, His Word, and the appointment of His prophets and apostles who gave us the Bible.

All we have sought to do as Kinists is teach that the Bible does not condone the destruction of the white race that is advocated by modern churches. Again and again, true to our ancestors, we have disproved Linder’s belief that “the Bible says nothing about race.” We have shown that the vast majority of Christendom has opposed the deracinating impulses of our time. This does not matter to Linder because he only cares about what the churches are doing currently. In his mind, this is sufficient confirmation for his belief that Christianity has always been useless. He has many misunderstandings about what we believe, and I doubt that any explanation we could offer would dissuade him from his presuppositions and presumptions, but what follows is a response to some of what he has written, in no particular order.

First, here are some quotes from Linder so you can get a feel for his ideas.

[O]ur most learned scholars agree that HE [Jesus] DIDN’T EVEN EXIST…

The Christians say it was faith that built the cathedrals, but the truth says anyone who figures out the engineering principles can do it…

Christianity did not begin as a kin religion, but precisely as the opposite – as an association of unhappy scum in the declining Roman empire. It began as a loser love cult. Family had absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, which broke families apart. Or perhaps [Jesus] didn’t mean it when he told his dolts to abandon their mother and father if they balked at [following Him]…

Our “most learned scholars” have never explained away the evidence and eyewitness testimony presented in the Bible, which would hold up in any court of law. For instance, the Jewish leaders could have done one simple thing to end Christianity forever: produce the dead body of Jesus. The disciples were hiding in fear while Roman centurions guarded the tomb under penalty of death. The Bible tells us what happened next. No one believes that, if the disciples (who Linder calls “unhappy scum”) had conspired to overcome the guards and had somehow succeeded in convincing a mob to risk their lives in a grand lie, they would have sacrificed their own lives afterwards. If the disciples actually stole the body and if the guards managed to escape, the guards would have fled to the Roman army for reinforcements. They certainly would not have gone to the chief priests and elders of the Jews to accept a bribe. So much for our “most learned scholars.”

Neo-pagan white nationalists are vexed that the semi-deified white men of Europe accepted the Christian “superstition” unanimously. Therefore, it becomes necessary for Linder to develop an excuse for their temporary blindness. He says their “gullibility was merely transferred from an oak tree to a jew on a stick.” One wonders how such a gullible and backward people got anywhere in life. Then Linder returns to the script and assures us that their faith in Christ did not transform them. With their innate brilliance, all they needed was time to learn engineering, he says, but not as much time as it took for an amoeba to grow into Isaac Newton.

“Engineering principles” have never inspired anyone. Although the swastika is a beautiful symbol, Nazis did not create it. Nazi art and architecture were hideous, for the most part, as Leni Riefenstahl, a true artist, knew. The greatest art and science in the world have been the gifts of Christians, Germans among them. Excellence is driven by the desire to glimpse the divine. We don’t deny the genetic component at work, but we call this a gift from God as well. Again, if atheists want to prove that high civilization is simply a matter of cold “engineering principles,” nothing is preventing them from creating works of art that last for hundreds of years and inspire countless generations and actually advance our understanding. How much longer must we wait?

Linder writes:

The church, as I’ve said eighty times, ignored the jews until an apostate Donin pointed out what was in the jewbooks.

Donin exposed the anti-Christian bias of the Talmud in the time of Pope Gregory IX, but before the Talmud was even written, the Apostle Paul wrote this:

For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thess. 2:14-16)

A man without a good understanding of the Bible should never profess to understand the scope of Western history. Linder’s wild misconceptions of what the Bible actually teaches can be stunning, but his real hang-up is with the idea that Christianity is universal. Like Nietzsche, he believes that religion is fabricated to compensate for masculine inadequacies. But if forced to practice some kind of religion, he would insist that it be confined to the white race, because the white race is his true god. He writes:

Christianity is in fact and long practice UNIVERSAL rather than race specific, and this means it will never be anything but a blinder preventing men from applying Occam’s Razor to the multicultural world they see around them.

If there is no possibility of some degree of unity with those who are not like us then war will be our lot perpetually. We see that the pluriform God created a pluriform humanity that will thrive and know peace only when there is a proper balance to “the one and the many.” Without Christ, centralization and consolidation are unrestrained, not only in government but in everything. Mankind is not meant for a future in Oceania. There is no other route to a blissful future than through the cross, for only then do we realize God’s purpose in a spiritually unified but physically variegated humanity, just as He created us, in His own image. What other “holy” books teach this? What other “prophets” have spoken it? Where is it found in the science textbooks? How else could multiculturalism ever be challenged? Linder’s solution to the problem is to exterminate his enemies, but this solution denies the nature of God and the nature of man and puts Linder in the place of God to judge what is good and what is evil, just like Nietzsche’s “Superman.” In other words, it is the very oldest sin, the sin of pride.

From this throne of pride, Linder becomes what he hates. As “James Thornwell” commented at VNN, Linder is defending atheism in the same way that a Jew named Gordon Stein defended it. When Stein met Greg Bahnsen the “results were not pretty.” While not a Christian, even Hitler called atheism “the state of the animal.” He also considered neo-paganism to be senseless because “Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself.” Why did it cease to be viable? For one, because it has never entered into the mind of a pagan to feed and clothe strangers out of love, like the Good Samaritan.

For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:46-48)

Likewise, in 1 Timothy 5:8, we are told that even infidels care for their own, and Christians are rebuked as worse than infidels when they do not.

This brings us right back to the Christian pursuit of global unity versus the atheist pursuit of extermination. We grant that in the last 60 years Christians have often failed in this goal because they have pursued an absolute, Babelistic unity rather than a pluriform unity in spiritual communion. But consider the way forward. Christians today of a pre-modern stripe dominate secession movements. They seek to devolve power from a tyrannical central government and return it to their own localities, as the founders intended for a federal republic. Meanwhile, atheists and national socialists are working towards absolute unity to construct an iron hammer which will smite the enemies of the white race. We often ask neo-Babelist Christians how their ideology would ever allow for national borders between two Christian nations, and they are unable to answer because they view race and ethnicity as irrelevant. We ask the same question of the VNN crowd: How do your unitarian views allow for diversity within the race? When have national socialists ever allowed devolution of the megastate? What evidence do we have that they ever will?

Linder blames the carnage of the world wars on Christians rather than on those who embezzled the capital of Christendom for the benefit of anti-Christs and in pursuit of global domination.

There are many other groundless accusations against Kinists. We deny that ruthlessness is equal to self-defense. We deny that only Christians are heroic or fertile. We deny that “No one ever breathed until Christianity. No one ever invented anything. No one ever thought. No one ever cooked food. No one ever was nice to his neighbor, looked after his kids, fought to defend his community – no one ever did anything good until Christianity appeared.” I fail to see how anyone could accuse us of believing this. We have always praised the honor of the white race as it was created by God, even before it came to know Him.

Linder states that National Socialist Germany “placed more value on motherhood” for the 12 years it existed than Christian Germany did in 1,300 years. We are very glad that women in Nazi Germany had many children, but it’s silly to call them “NS German women.” The Nazis were around for a few years, but Germans have existed for thousands. An honest historian would give Martin Luther far more credit than Hitler for German distrust of Jews, and would give Christianity far more credit than Nazism for German integrity. But let’s try not to conflate too much. Germans were gifted with a very rich pre-Christian heritage by their Creator. The Christian faith did not radically change them, but it did complete them. It disposed of the idolatry that hindered them (Isaiah 57:5) and gave them the means to live more abundantly. It would be as foolish to identify the people of 1940s Germany with the party that ruled them as it would be for a historian 70 years from now to identify Americans in the present day as Jews. But we need to give credit where it’s due, and we are not the kind who dismiss Hitler as the spawn of Satan simply because Jews want us to believe it. He did many things that were good and many things that were bad.

Hitler is not the issue. The issue at hand is whether a philosophy of atheism has ever met our challenge of founding a society and causing it to thrive by encouraging childbirth, caring for the poor, improving education, building wealth, and doing all the other things that numerous Christian societies have done. Linder claims that Nazi Germany wins the challenge, but this is absurd, because even he admits that the Nazis were not atheists, at least not formally. Most Germans never rejected the Christian faith in the short time that Hitler was in power, and I doubt that Hitler himself would have dared to take credit for Germany’s greatness. There is no doubt that he helped Germany by removing obstacles such as debt slavery, but this is not the same thing. One of the proofs that atheism is not a creative force is that the people today who admire what they call the atheism of the Third Reich are not known for doing any of the creative acts that Christians do routinely.

If God is not real then sin is not real and neither is evil. Thus, Jews are merely “clever” in seeking their own advantage, Linder believes. But if this is true then whites are free to stoop to any level to seek their own advantage, including lying, cheating, stealing, and as Linder fantasizes frequently, killing. By no objective measure could the West have ever risen to its greatness if it had been founded upon such selfishness and vainglory.

Here again, we see that the “rational” approach of Darwinists is anything but rational; it is subjective on one face and fatalistic on the other. By either flip of the coin, it is standardless and seeks progress through barbarism.

Linder writes:

Instead of crying over your “sinning,” why not just change your behavior, if it hurts you so bad? That’s the Aryan way to approach it.

No, that is not the Aryan way, and if it ever was, you can see why even Hitler recognized that “it ceased to be viable.” This is the madness and dead tissue which the atheist-Darwinist-white nationalist seeks to reanimate.

Linder admires H.L. Mencken more than anyone, and I see the similarities. But for all of his polish, Mencken was an iconoclast, not a truth-teller. He translated Nietzsche’s book, The Antichrist, and it’s easy to see a common line drawn from Nietzsche to Mencken to Linder and other neo-pagans. The final page of their life story involves dying childless and alone. I don’t mean that in a condescending way; I only mean to point out that the actual history of the West has depended on the graciousness of the Lord of Life. He preserved us through the ages when we did not know Him, but neo-pagans think we saved ourselves, even though many other peoples down through history have utterly perished.

If Life was our genetic destiny regardless of Christ, why did Nietzsche, Mencken, Spengler, Oliver, Ludovici, Yockey, and on and on, not leave a legacy to prove that their atheism and skepticism could provide the West with a future that was at least comparable to Christianity? William Pierce had children, but they rejected him, and Kevin Strom became his “son” instead. Now, if a man doesn’t want to get married and have children, that’s his business, but one would expect that if saving the West is paramount, at least some of these men would practice what they preach. No, their lines have died off because their philosophy itself is dead. All who hate Christ love death, even if they don’t realize it (Proverbs 8:36).

If the highest good is to have white children and save the white race, and Christians are doing this times three but atheists are nowhere near replacement level, then on the face of it, even a Darwinist should conclude that Christianity = Life, and Atheism = Sterility. Which is more rational, life or death?

This BBC article is about some faithful Christians in central Illinois, pastored by James McDonald, who view children as a blessing. While some in the church have unfortunately “adopted children from around the world,” meaning, for the most part, black boys and Chinese girls, even a self-described “radical secularist” recognizes that they are doing far more than anyone else to prevent what he calls “race suicide.” Even when white Christians foolishly “adopt” strangers, any fool can see that they do it because they love children, and they love children because they love their Lord and are grateful for the blessings He has bestowed on them, including their kin. While atheists talk about saving the white race, Christians are doing it, in spite of their errors.

This, my friends, is why atheism is dead, why Christianity is alive, and why our European ancestors could do nothing but fall to their knees and repent. Like Isaiah (6:5), they exclaimed, “Woe is me, for I am undone!” Like Job (40:4), they could only say, “Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth.”

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1. admin Says:
October 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

It might be a strange coincidence, but Tom Fleming has written an article that appears to be a reflection on our previous post and Alex’s response:

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.php/2009/10/09/the-sin-of-humility/

But he makes the silly statement, on the authority of none other than Nietzsche, that Martin Luther was responsible for returning Germans “to their native swinishness.” Even so, he acknowledges the genetic component to German accomplishments.

A quote:

The Germans are a great nation, and they have made very important contributions to our common civilization. Some of their accomplishments must be due to their robust vigor and native talents, but they did not learn to put those talents to good use until they were civilized by the Roman Church and Roman civilization. Even crazy Nietzsche, a Lutheran pastor’s son whose hatred of Catholicism knew no bounds, confessed that Luther had unleashed the Germans from classical civilization and given them license to return to their native swinishness. This is much too harsh, both on Luther and on the Germans, but that was the opinion of the leading guru of neopaganism.
2. apollonian Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:17 am

Alex Linder: Notorious Anti-Christ Mystic, Enemy Of White Culture And People
(Apollonian, 13 Oct 09)

SWB, I don’t know what rock u’ve been living under, but Alex Linder is NOTORIOUS anti-Christ–not merely NON-Christian, but ANTI. So how is it u dignify such creature (Linder) when u ban and censor the mighty Apollonian who is outstanding Christian soldier?

And there’s yet another extremely telling and important dimension u so conveniently overlook regarding ur hero, Linder/VNN: for Linder rejects reason itself as definitive means of human knowledge, Linder explicitly rather endorsing a Nietzschean-type mysticism.

And note Christianity thematically defends TRUTH against Jew lies and conspiracy, esp. as in definitive Gosp. JOHN 14:6 whence Christ is explicitly identified as truth itself. Thus note Christianity implicitly defends Aristotelian OBJECTIVITY, this the necessary criterion of truth. And finally, we note then human reason itself is necessarily founded upon such objectivity.

Thus observe the double-dealing of Linder who professes to reject Christianity as he falsely asserts Christianity rejects reason, the Jew-like Linder not revealing he also rejects reason itself.

So what gives, SWB?–how is it u implicitly endorse and dignify this amazing Jew-sponsored anti-Christ, Alex Linder, thus tending to giving him currency and legitimacy in white patriot circles?–Is it because u urself are a mystic who endorses a form of anti-reason which u pretend is “faith”? For faith, properly understood is merely, simply LOYALTY, nothing else, and certainly not anti-reason.

CONCLUSION: Thus SWB, it is ur own Christianity, loyalty thereto, and understanding thereof which is in question. For if u reject reason, u reject objectivity, Truth, and Christ. And if u defend Christianity and reason, then what are u doing puffing ur buddy, Linder, the Jew’s agent of dis-info? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
3. jimbo! Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:30 am

i’m an ex-VNN poster & some-what of a believer in Klassen’s doctrine of “Creativity”!

you accuse Linder of “fantasising of killing” but isn’t that, in fact, what the enemies of the White Race (especially jews & blacks) do to us?

what about the “killing” that has been inflicted on the White Race by two jew-organised World Wars, the infamous jew-controlled “counter-cultural revolutions” of the 1960s & 1970s, contraception & the jew-run abortion holocaust?

how has the White Race gone from almost one third of the Earth’s population a century ago to, now, little more than 5%?

doesn’t every philosophy, religion and theistic belief system of the last millenia or more justify killing in self defence? (that is: when yr enemy is hell-bent on killing YOU?)

and……what about justice?

if justice were seen to be done, then most jews should be on capital murder charges as either pre-meditated murderers or accessories before & after the fact!

aren’t jews responsible for 9/11 and the ensuing horrors of Iraq & Afghanistan?

aren’t blacks responsible for mind-bogglingly hideous crimes against the White Race (like the Channon Christopher/Chris Newsome rape/torture/murders) in the US on an almost daily basis?

aren’t most US blacks “christians”?

did we hear any black Christian “leader” in the US speak out against the Christopher/Newsome murders or the almost equally hideous Wichita massacre some years before that horrible atrocity?

you fail to address one of Linder’s main points (you should listen to the Radio Istina archives, rather than a “one-off” comment ‘thread’ on the VNN Forum, to get a better “grasp” of what he is talking about….in particular, his “critique” of E Michael Jones!)…..and that is: genetics, NOT “religious belief” determine behaviour (try Rushton’s “Race, Evolution & Behaviour” on this too!)…..as Linder says: “you can’t turn a black (or a jew!) into a human being by tipping holy water on him/them!”

you also say imply that “Western Civilisation” couldn’t have achieved its current greatness without chistianity but didn’t our modern world really begin with the Renaissance which was, in fact, the re-discovery of the ancient Greek & Roman texts and their ensuing application(s)?

wasn’t ancient Greek civilisation at least as advanced, in philosophy, art & science, as any-thing that “Christendom” produced until the sixteenth century?

(for the record: i believe that Linder has two children…a boy & a girl….also: many other WNs on VNN have several children…..”Rounder” or Glenn Miller…..has six or seven, from my under-standing….and at least a dozen grand-children!)

*hope you see fit to post this, un-edited*

best regards for now!

(jimbo)
4. John Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Outstanding statement of principles.

We have nothing to do with them, nor they with us. Did R.L. Dabney or Orestes Brownson care that their contemporary Nietzsche was a white man? Anyone who blasphemes Christ belongs to the “synagogue of Satan,” no matter what race he was born to.

Our goal is to rebuild Western European Christian civilization which was built upon the foundation of the white races and in which those white nations prospered and grew as no other people in history. That can only be accomplished when we follow Christ’s admonition to “reject the bread of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy” and accept only the bread of life. Our people are dying of spiritual hunger, and dancing around oak trees or crying “Heil Hitler” will not give new life to our nations which are facing extinction.

We have fallen into degradation and mixed ourselves with foreign peoples because we have been unfaithful. Those pastors who have led our people into this calamity have done so not because of their Christian faith, but because they are apostates in their hearts. Let us return to the Lord before it is too late. Let us repent of our traffic with idolators, both Jews to whom Christ is a stumbling block and Greeks to whom he is “irrational.” Let us fill our quivers with godly progeny, like the Christians in the BBC link.

BTW, great discussion going on over at the Tom Fleming link you provided.

Which reminds me that the Summa of St. Thomas Aquinas — the crowning achievement of Western Civilization — is the best refutation of Linder’s argument. On almost every point Aquinas quotes from the wisdom of the pre-Christian pagans, most notably Aristotle of course, but also from a wide range of all the surviving Roman and Greek writers, thus proving that European Christian civilization incorporated all that was best from what went before it. (Although Cambria Will not Yield won’t like hearing that.)
5. apollonian Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

Linder Appreciates Apollonian Critique–Check His Blog
(Apollonian, 13 Oct 09)

I want to note for u, SWB, and ur comrades, fans, and readers here: I posted my above entry over at Linder’s site, VanGuardNewsNetwork.com (also GoVnn.com), and interestingly, though I expected the satanistic punk to delete it, he rather has no less than 4 (four, presently) replies posted in response to my entry–ck them out, by all means.

For another notable tactic/practice of Linder is that he often, we observe, posts to his own blogs using multiple, different monikers, pretending thus, evidently, that he has lots and lots of fans–Linder is a “piece of work,” as he calls me, all his own–literally. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
6. Christopher Witmer Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

The Duggars are going for Number 19, and their first grandchild is on the way too. That kind of fertility, is able to produce hundreds of millions of descendants over several generations. If the kids are half as fertile as the parents, the Duggars could easily end up with two hundred grandchildren. Do the math — while there are still people living who have met Mr. & Mrs. Duggar face-to-face, their descendants could already be numbering into the millions. Have lots of kids and train them in righteousness rather than sending them to the government schools, and in a few generations, things will turn around. If the Lord blesses us, it can happen.
http://www.duggarfamily.com/
I wonder if Searching for Whitopia Rich Benjamin (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929729,00.html) thinks we need to get a government stimulus grant to “racially integrate” the Duggar family. (Actually, the Duggars look pretty well racially integrated to me, don’t you agree?)
7. Christopher Witmer Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

John, on your closing point in your post, Christians are called to be hunters, or, more precisely, fishermen — since the unconverted heathen are represented symbolically by the ocean and its creatures; Christianity goes out and captures whatever God gives to us and Christianizes it. What the unconverted heathen were able to enjoy through God’s common grace, God’s special saving grace in Christ takes and transforms into something worth occupying a permanent place in the temple. Look at all the pagan festival days that have been incorporated into the Christian calendar, as just one example of that.

We see some pretty disturbing syncretisms of Christianity and local religions in various cultures; that needs to be distinguished from what I’m describing above but we could also say that the Christianization of those places still needs to be carried through to its proper conclusion. And maybe that’s connected with the reason why in God’s providence the Christian faith captured the territories of the ancient Roman Empire first — to set the basic pattern for the Christianization of the entire world throughout subsequent history.
8. Lynda Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

I would probably never have found my way to VNN except that Alex Linder’s statements were posted here. So I linked over.

Now where have we heard all this before? When the WJC declared war on Germany in 1933, didn’t Hitler receive Rothschild finance? Didn’t the Judaic imperiium build up a neo-pagan movement of white supremacy and race worship for apostate European nations prior to the last world war?

The idea (of course) was to machinate a world war with the International front of Jewry controlling all sides. American / British cartelized capitalism (true Communism) together with the Revolutionary Communism of the Soviet VS the national socialisms backed by race religions in preference to the Christian religion organized as reformed national churches, but especially the Catholic Church as established within all European nations.

The Men behind the Curtain of that war built up a neo pagan, Nordic race religion in Germany and N.W. Europe to challenge the power of Christian establishment and ensure that the cause of national unity and sovereignty could never arise – and especially national sovereignty as backed by the Church.

The Victor in this conflict was and was always intended to be Communism and Zionism.

So in our own time, when even the idea of national sovereignty is being contested in the lead up to the next world war, it is a foregone conclusion that this race religion stuff would revive. I mean, how could it not? It has been so servicable to the Judaic imperium in the past.

So when we start reading the rhetoric of neo pagan white racial supremacy, the obvious question is: where does this come from?

The burden of proof is on these ‘white nationalists’ to show from any artifact, any historical text that self worship and race worship was the basis of any European nation at any time in history. Come on – Show me one! John has referred to St Thomas of Aquin. Contra factum non est argumentum. Show us one expample of this pre-Christian pagan religion of race worship in Europe.

The ancient European nations might have worshiped Thor or Odin and had all manner of superstititions about sacred oaks, yews – whatever cloak was used in ancient history by the Powers seated in wickedness.

“…the whole world is in the power of the evil one.” 1 John 5:19

But they never sank to such a level of barbarism as self deification. They might have been justly proud of the achievements of their ancestors and as a people, but that is a far cry from the kosher shyte being argued for on VNN and a host of other Jewish weblogs. I mean it has a K stamped right on it.

There is abundant evidence on VNN of kashrut (kosher) supervision to apostate whites assisting them in the development and promotion of a religion of white supremacy. Kind of like the elder brothers in the faith bringing the little goyim along the path both tried and true – especially with all this ‘kike’ talk, diatribe and invective against the Jews.

Read Judaism Discovered. Those who attatck Judaism in this way strengthen the Judaic imperiium. I think the Hoffman maxim has “the rule of the rabbis”.

In truth, however, there is only one religion of self-worship, racial supremacy and global imperium. And that religion is Pharisaism or Judaism. Its law is the Talmud and it suffers no rivals, no slave flatteries contrived by the little goyim who just want to have race worship too.

For this bilge and death, the goyim who are following Jews like Linder would trade Christ the Redeemer of the world and their King. They talk about ‘Kinism’, but they would trade their own mothers for a six pack and nudie magazine. I am not Jewish, but if I put myself into that mindset and I read the goyishe kopfs writing on that website I could die laughing.

Writing in a very similar time and under very similar circumstances, that great Inkling J.R.R. Tolkien wrote to his son Michael in June of 1941. At that time, Michael was an officer Cadet at the Royal Military College at Sandhurst. (From the Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien. 1981. Unwin Paperbacks, p. 55-56)

“You have to understand the good in things to detect the real evil”…”Anyway, I have in this war a burning private grudge – which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22*: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler (for the odd thing about demonic inspiration and impetus is that it in no way enhances the purely intellectual stature: it chiefly affects the mere will). Ruining, perverting, misapplying and making forever accursed that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved and tried to present in its true light. Nowhere, incidentally , was it nobler than in England (Angle Lond) nor more early sanctified and Christianized.”

* (Tolkien was with the 11th Lancashire Fussilers at the Somme)

“It is by Divine permission that wicked men receive power to rule as punishment for sin.” St Thomas of Aquin.

AntiChrists and deluded goyim following the ravings of Alex Linder over at VNN – you remind me of the victorious English and Burgundians carrying on during the 100 Years War in France, busy with your plans and power trip. Until, St Michael the Archangel took command of the last defenses of the French forces – few in number, scattered and demoralized.

Omnia Instaurare in Christo is the cause of the hour. And this cause and no other will prevail against the Communist Revolution now everywhere advancing and Communist victory which in the natural course of events is certain.

Equally certain is a supernatural course of events proclaimed by saints throughout the centuries for precisely these times. A great standard will come onto the international scene. This will be the royal standard of the Fleur de Lys and that is for France and the Crown of the Lillies, but above it will be displayed the Sacred Heart of Christ the King. There is a true Desposyniac lineage of the House of David within the Church, the kings of France descended in direct line from the kindred of our Lord who were His closest disciples. This will herald the return of the Holy Father from exile and the restoration of the Western Patriarchate.

But the Ascendances Davidiques des Rois de France will precede. The prophet Amos states plainly that in the time of the great darkness (the Three Days) the tabernacle of David will be restored. Of the Three Days of Darkness, our Lord has spoken of this many times and in many centuries to his saints in statements published by the Church as worthy of credence. Of his foes who have contrived and worked for the ruin of all Christendom and the destruction of the Church, our Lord declares: “I will find them all.”

A great triumph has been promised to a mere remnant of those who would persevere in the faith of the one, holy, catholic and Apostolic Church. This will be the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary – for the glory of Christ. The time of restoration of all things announced at Pentecost will culminate in an era of peace when our Lord rules all nations by his Sacred Heart and again – entire nations will come into the Church. Then will come the Anti Christ and the close of this age of the world.
9. Petr Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Even many totally irreligious WNs and pro-White activists despise Linder and consider him a loudmouthed loser:

http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11619&highlight=linder

You need not take his yakking too seriously. He’s just a lightweight shock jock, and besides in suspiciously good terms with ex-Fed informant Glenn Miller.
10. Christopher Witmer Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

“There are no ordinary people. You have never met a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations, these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat.” — C. S. Lewis

Thoughts?
11. admin Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Apollonian, it cracks me up that you write in “text” lingo (”u” for “you”) but sign and date your comments for posterity.

As usual, I have no idea what you’re talking about. How you could construe this post as an endorsement of Linder is a question that only your Ouija board or 8-Ball can answer. But I had to let this comment come through the spam filter because of my mirth at the phrase “the mighty Apollonian who is outstanding Christian soldier.” If you really believe that hallowed Reason is the “definitive means of human knowledge,” you’re in serious disagreement with what the Bible teaches, and you have no business criticizing Alex.

That which has been revealed to us by God is thoroughly reasonable (the supernatural is not anti-natural), and He tells us, “Come, let us reason together” (Isaiah 1:18), but this does not mean that God and man approach the bar of reason together as peers, as though reason stands on its own, with or without God. We are told to “try the spirits,” but on the basis of the Word of God, not our own reason. This is why I reminded everyone earlier that we are finite and limited; we do not have the mind of God and are incapable of thinking His thoughts, except analogously, as Dr. Cornelius Van Til taught.

There are three verses in John 14 that teach this perfectly: “Where I go you know, and the way you know,” said Jesus. Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” He did the same thing when a man approached Him and tried to compliment Him, as a mere man, by greeting Him as “good teacher.” “Why do you call me good?” said Jesus. “There is none good but God.” In other words, “life” and “good” do not exist apart from Him, and if you think that He operates in their framework rather than vice versa, you have missed the point entirely. I get the impression that most people consider God to be a creature rather than the Creator. This is how “reasonable” pagans have always perceived the gods.

Through the creative Word we have received divine revelation and also natural revelation, which is sometimes called the 67th book of the Bible. The Rationalism that you advocate, which is that truth is determined through reason, is not biblical. Nor is Fideism, which is blind, unreasonable faith, or as you put it, mere “loyalty.” There are dogs who are loyal to abusive masters, but we would never call this loyalty “faith.”

One of the hypocrisies at work here is the idea that atheists and Darwinists and Nietzscheans are purely rational and do not rely on faith of some kind. They must have faith that electrons moving along neural paths in their brains amount to something sensible and reasonable. After all, what does an electron know of reason? They must believe in that which is unseen, namely that these neural patterns, which we call the five senses and memory, comport with what we call laws, including logic and mathematics.

Jimbo, thanks for writing. Yes, the enemies of the white race do have a strategy similar to “no jews, just right,” and this is why self-defense is always a viable option. I favor it, and justice too. But all Jews are not responsible for 9/11 and all Jews are not murderers. Therefore, killing all Jews, as Linder desires, would be unjust. Yes, many blacks are violent felons, and most blacks call themselves Christians. Let’s protect our own people! Yes, genes have a large effect on behavior, but this does not mean that religion has no effect at all, and it doesn’t prove that non-whites are not human beings. These are glaring non sequiturs.

We all rely very heavily, in many ways, on our genetic and cultural inheritance from Greeks, Romans, and all our European brethren. I would prefer to descend from no others. But with baptism into Christ, the white race became what it was meant to be. Anyone who denies it is simply not taking an honest look at history.

I realize that many of the atheists and neo-pagans in the WN movement are going to have children. My point is that they will never come close to doing what Christians have done to save our race. Raising families (as opposed to the very easy task of making babies) takes tremendous self-sacrifice, and the Darwinist fantasy of gene succession has never been sufficient motivation. I’ve never spoken to a gene or held one in my arms. If we all go to the worms, and that’s the end of our existence, I have better things to do. Fortunately, our Lord made the ultimate sacrifice for us, and eternal life is a free gift to His children, just as I give gifts to my own children. I will be with my friends and posterity in eternity, and this is all the motivation I need.

John, Fleming has always been odd. He writes some good things and then says “racists” are evil for trying to prevent miscegenation and secure the only world he knows and loves.

This is a good sentence from him that underscores what we have been saying: “Christianity takes for granted the pagan substratum – kinship, loyalty, patriotism, duty, marriage, the moral order – but then elevates the whole onto a higher plane.”

He correctly denies that humility is social equality. He also quotes Alphonsus that pride is “an inordinate [disproportionate] appetite for one’s own preeminence.” Pride does not lead to excellence.
12. Tim Harris Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Quite so, quite so.

Alex says he believes we just “go to the worms,” yet there is an urgent ethical mandate he preaches: “you OUGHT to become a WN, etc.” Yet he refuses to engage on what the metaphysical basis of that OUGHT is.

Likewise, he thinks we are just matter, yet cannot explain how matter could “know” something. It is a basic category mistake.

I have gained by listening to Alex — for example, discovered E. Michael Jones. He is willing to engage with people he thinks are crazy, but only to a point. He is not willing to drill down to the core issues. There needs to be a basic honesty. As far as I’m concerned, we can lay down the Bahnsen-Stein debate as the gauntlet. If Alex is willing to study that, understand it, then engage us on those specifics, here, there or anywhere, we will be happy to interact — provided he ceases the overt blasphemy.

But if not, he is either not a serious thinker, or is in fact in the employ of jews, as someone suggested.

re the Fleming post, two comments. First, he uses the “anti-semite” canard. That very term is classical judeo confusion/equivocation. No one that I know of that criticizes the jewish presence ties it to their alleged Semitic racial stock. He would probably say, “etymological fallacy.” No. The term was deliberately ambiguous from its very origin. The primal meaning is not opaque due to the passage of time — it never was clear. It has not become more clear with the passage of time. We must erase that term from our vocabulary, as it can only fuzz up one’s thinking. If he doesn’t cease and desist from it, I’m willing to write him off also. The second point is that all his threading of the Christian/pagan needle denies the key antithesis, as indeed it must from a Lutheran that converts to Rome. Explicating this further will have to wait however.
13. John Buchan Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

Best.

Post.

Ever.
14. Christopher Witmer Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

Hey Tim, not that it’s been lost on anyone reading this, but the anti-semite slur is even sillier when one considers that some of the biggest “anti-semites” are (”self-hating”) Jews. And by the way, what is the flip side of the expression “self-hating Jew”? Doesn’t that reveal a lot about people who like to throw the term around? — About their view of what it means to be a Jew and what they are really worshipping. Funny thing is, I think there are more than a few WNs in exactly the same mind-set. You just replace “Jew” with “white” and there you go. I could never see the attraction of w@nking while looking at one’s self in the mirror, but apparently some people get off on that sort of thing, or at least they live as if they do. What a blessing it is to be able to focus on YHWH and His mighty works rather than obsessing with ourselves.
15. Christopher Witmer Says:
October 13th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

To answer my own question above, I wonder how C. S. Lewis would reconcile that statement (from this sermon: http://www.doxaweb.com/assets/doxa.pdf) with what is written in Revelation 21:24? If the life of nations, cultures, arts and civilizations is to ours as the life of a gnat, then what is the point of having the nations of them which are saved walking in the light of the Lamb, and the kings of the earth bringing their glory and honor into it? It seems that C. S. Lewis had forgotten that the Trinity’s work in history involves more than just the saving of souls.

And while I’m glad to be able to read an essay like the above, I hope I may never be subjected to such a sermon in any worship service.
16. apollonian Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 8:53 am

SWB Confirms His Mysticism, Total Mis-Understanding Of TRUTH, Objectivity
(Apollonian, 14 Oct 09)

SWB, the entire pt. to Christ and TRUTH, as in Gosp. JOHN 14:6, is that truth is only meaningful in an OBJECTIVE (Aristotelian) reality. For truth requires objectivity as criterion–get a clue. Thus Christ would have no meaning or worth–without first, that objective, God-given reality in which we exist.

Objectivity then is where necessary REASON comes in. For human reason is only meaningful in an objective (God-given) reality. Reason has no use in anything other than objective reality, reason being thus what grasps and verifies truth.

For in a subjective reality (which Jews thematically and hysterically endorse and require) ANYTHING goes, obviously–everything and nothing is truth at same time, there being no possible distinction, as there’s no criterion, no objectivity–anything goes, again.

In subjectivism, “truth” has no meaning, and that’s why Jews always run a dictatorship, the excuse usually being “morality,” wherein “truth” is what Jews declare. What’s ur problem?–why can’t u grasp this simple idea regarding TRUTH?–it requires objectivity for any meaning. Thus note as Christ endorses such truth, he endorses Aristotelian objectivity, necessarily and implicitly–this is what u, like a stubborn child, fail to grasp.

This basic confusion and ignorance of urs for TRUTH is why/how u’re so pathetically and utterly incompetent for all ur ponderous babbling even as u cite the “Bible” so extensively. U don’t even understand what it is we’re talking about–TRUTH.

And if u were truly a real Christian, u’d understand ONLY New Testament (NT) is definitive–as Christ is ONLY way to God, as even u urself note within the rest of ur babbling text.

Hence REASON, a creature of such objectivity, is absolutely essential to grasping such truth and objectivity, hence proper appreciation of Christ.

Thus the fundamental metaphysical (philosophic) anti-theses are as follows:

(a) TRUTH vs. lies and conspiracy, in accord w. Gosp. JOHN, Jews being ultimate liars as they’re most organized and collectivistic.

(b) Christian vs. Jew
(c) Objective vs. subjective (criterion for truth)
(d) Reason vs. mysticism (though there is excuse for honest ignorance and mysticism borne thereof)
(e) determinism (God’s will, absolute cause-effect) vs. perfectly “free” will.

And it’s this last dichotomy regarding nature of human will which is most practical in separation of humans politically and culturally as the inferior races are prone to “good-evil” Pelagian heresy by which people are traduced and mis-led by false prophets and Pharisaics, “good-evil” obviously having no objective basis.

Indeed, that’s very definition of Pharisaic: one who is led by hubris of “moral virtue” and pretended “good”–like u, SWB, who imagines abortionists are deserving of murder, as we noted fm ur last ravings upon the murdered abortionist, Tiller.

So anyway, SWB, the pt. I made above is confirmed: u’re a mystic, like Linder/VNN, who denies the absolute and necessary validity of human REASON which is essential for proper appreciation of Christ.

CONCLUSION: SWB, u need to consider if u’re really a Christian urself, as u obviously rather prefer worshipping ur own corrupt imaginations and hubris for a reality all ur own, independent of the one given by God, affirmed by Christ–that OBJECTIVITY which gives MEANING and criterion, in first place, to TRUTH which u have greatest difficulty grasping. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
17. admin Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 9:29 am

So I’ve learned that only the New Testament is definitive (because the OT was written by dirty Jews, right?), and only inferior races are prone to Pelagianism. This is funny stuff. You should take your show on the road.

Yes, all abortionists need to be dispatched forthwith, and the act deserves the praise of Phinehas. To those who think these murderers need to be caught in the act, I say we know for certain that when they leave their damned “churches” on Sunday morning they will be killing babies the following morning.
18. admin Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 9:42 am

I view Alex Linder as being very similar to John Lennon: There is a whole lot of talent underneath the blasphemous crust. He would be a great asset for our side and for the kingdom of God (not that only the talented are).

I think we only glimpsed a brief moment of Lennon’s potential. He could have been the greatest, but he ruined himself by – oh, where to start? – having a messiah complex, abandoning his family, miscegenating, taking drugs, etc. His most famous song, Imagine, is completely anti-Christian.
19. apollonian Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:15 am

SWB Should Fear God, Take Heed Of Reason, Individual Freedom
(Apollonian, 14 Oct 09)

SWB, u utterly fail to see abortion is EXTREMELY useful for extermination (in Christian fashion of course) of non-white, non-Christian races. Remember a fetus is not fully human, having no human will, incapable, for example, of committing a “mortal sin.”

Fetus has no rights, of necessity, no possible “social contract” protecting them, as such contract is only possible or conceivable for living humans of reason. Indeed, social contract protects definitively the female’s right to abortion. Think.

By removing the right of the female to abortion, u destroy the VERY PRINCIPLE of individual rights which is hallmark of humanity and civilization. Of course such right doesn’t mean abortion is “good”–and indeed, by means of reason, females might be persuaded to give birth thence to giving baby over to adoption, etc.

For note any white female who fails to abort her mixed-race fetus is guilty of TREASON, the penalty being death. SWB, this is serious issue which u must consider in accord w. all human reason.

CONCLUSION: Beware SWB: Reason is MOST DEADLY weapon God gives, and there will be no compromises with or mercy for deliberate anti-reason and treason–YOU ARE WARNED. Take heed for ur soul, comrade. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
20. Siegfried Himmel Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:26 am

Good thoughts, Christopher. I don’t agree with the quote from Lewis either (although it is what most Christians believe nowadays). I had heard it before and it made me wonder how he could believe it and yet spend so much time writing great literature.

With regards to this post, after I read it I did some browsing through neo-pagan/Odinist webpages. I was trying to find at least one neo-pagan person who actually thought Thor and Odin were objectively real and other faiths were objectively false, and explained some epistemic process resulting in such a conclusion. But it’s always the same. The WN neo-pagans worship Thor because their distant ancestors did, or because Thor is a white god, or because they believe it’s a good motivation for our people. Most of them say that other peoples ought to have their own ethnic religions. The pagans have no apologists, no epistemology, just a goggle-eyed romanticizing of a Nordic guy in the sky with a hammer.
21. doctrinewars Says:
October 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Linder talks alot about exterminating and killing. He reminds me of Hal Turner the FBI informant http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32189268/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts.
22. Lynda Says:
October 15th, 2009 at 2:41 am

You are right Apollyon – abortion is an extremely effective means of genocide. You have made a big mistake to boast your advocacy for a sin crying to heaven here. The time must be getting shorter than I thought.

Communism always institutes abortion and Jewry (which is the political master of both revolutionary Communism -the hammer – and cartelized capitalism or NWO Communism – the sickle), runs the abortion industry for the goyim in all nations where they accede to power.

The white Christopherian nations do not, however, aspire to imitate the Jews.

No doubt if some Jew financed white supremacist revolution makes ‘Apollanarian’ a Head Honcho – all the thought criminals guilty of anti-reasoning will be frog marched off to extermination. You Destroyers never get any new ideas and your Babel is going to fall as nothing has fallen since Satan.

The Three Days of Darkness are soon coming to the world for the sins you advocate – for the murder of innocent blood, a sin crying to heaven. You think you are riding high, but for the sins of innocent blood and more, the Holy Angels will throw down the Ordo ab Chao abomination now in progress. They will throw it down in three days less one night in honour of our Lord’s Passion and death. And the dogs will piss on the ruins.

The Blessed Virgin Mother of God has declared that by the means of weakness despised by the world: the Holy Rosary and the Scapular – she will Triumph in her Immaculate Heart to the glory of Christ the King. And He will reign over the nations by His Sacred Heart in the restoration of all things at the close of the age.

You, on the other hand are going straight to hell. No one redeems your tragedy. You are an immortal spirit. You can not die. You can not grow and obtain more life. You can only decay in the consuming fire of your sins. Forever. You despised the Holy One to His face in the full light of the glory of Heaven and in full knowledge of the truth. Your doom is nothing if not certain.

But Apollonarian has a Redeemer. And you just can’t stand that – can you. The war you and the others began in heaven will be decided upon earth. You have no power here, Apollonarian could yet perceive you and your defeat, your utter ruin.

Apollonarian, don’t wait until the visible sign of our Lord’s Cross to appear in the heavens. “Now is the judgement of this world and now is the Prince of this world cast down.” It is certainly not too late for you to repent of all your sins, make a good confession, worthy reparation and convert your life to Christ.

St Joseph, terror of demons and shield against all works of darkness, pray for us and pray to our Lord that this man goes free. St Simon of Trent, murdered in your innocence, I beg your prayers. In your charity pray for this man to be returned to his right, God given reason and to receive the gift of faith.
23. Alex Linder Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Will respond at length next week.
24. Lynda Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

“And all the reasoning powers divine,
to penetrate, resolve, combine;
And feelings keen and fancy’s glow -
They sleep with him who sleeps below:
And if thou mourned, they could not save
From error, him who owns this grave.”

Sir Walter Scott on “Nelson, Pitt and Fox”
And, if Sir Walter, will permit – Adolf Hitler, I might add.

But we can still rise now and be the nation again
Is faodiach sinn eirigh gu bhith nar Rioghach a-ris.
25. PW Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 10:44 am

So what about us White nationalists who like Jesus and his anti-Jewish message but do not in any way consider him to be the ‘Messiah’ or the divine Son of God or anything like that? Where do we fit in? As stated, I like Jesus and his ideas a whole lot (even though he was supposedly a Jew), but despite that I am not a Bible-believing Christian.

JESUS THE PACIFIST? —> Matthew 10:34 – “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”
26. admin Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

PW, as C.S. Lewis once said, the option of simply “liking” Jesus is not open to you. He has left only three options available to us: he was either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord. He was definitely not a “great moral teacher.” If all you need is a “great moral teacher,” Martin Scorsese will do.

Therefore, Jesus was correct in saying that those who are not with Him are against Him, and those who do not gather with Him scatter. Make your choice. The choice is not between Jews and no Jews, but between life and death.
27. ChopperDan Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

PW, contra some of the common claims made by Christians about the “evidence”, there actually is a much better supported 4th option, as Linder noted, being that “Jesus” never had any concrete, historical existence, which neatly disposes of the “liar, lunatic or Lord” false-dilemma.
28. admin Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

Supported by what, Dan, your sincere hopes?

Are you really, seriously arguing that the acts of Christ and the apostles, and the prophets before them, which transformed the world as we know it, and were not at all done in a corner, were a conspiracy by the followers of Jesus, because Jesus Himself never existed? And how, pray tell, do the apostles fit into your theory, who said and did the same things as Christ and followed Him to the same end? Were they also figments of our imagination? Was there another conspiracy after their conspiracy that made them so prominent? And what does this say about Europeans, so gullible were they to believe what ChopperDan assures us was an obvious fabrication, and to stake their very lives upon it?

Do you realize how much faith you expect us to have in order to believe this?

It’s quite hilarious that even Jews disagree with you. Imagine that. The world’s greatest enemies of Jesus Christ forgot to mention that He never existed.

http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/

SWB is about the best we can expect out of Christianity. They are pro-White. They acknowledge the Jewish role in America's racial decline. I'm willing to overlook their shortcomings and consider them allies.

Note: I'm not a Christian by a long shot.

No one believes that, if the disciples (who Linder calls “unhappy scum”) had conspired to overcome the guards and had somehow succeeded in convincing a mob to risk their lives in a grand lie, they would have sacrificed their own lives afterwards. If the disciples actually stole the body and if the guards managed to escape, the guards would have fled to the Roman army for reinforcements. They certainly would not have gone to the chief priests and elders of the Jews to accept a bribe. So much for our “most learned scholars.”

There was no Jesus, therefore there was no body of Jesus and were no disciples of Jesus. Jesus fucking Christ. What a genius.

People and nations have fought against Roman Catholics for 2000 years.
Who's still standing?

North Africa, Turkey and the Levant for one. Protestant Europe too. And the hundreds of millions of Indians the Spanish supposedly wiped out. Let's see, that's ... umm ... just about everyone.

Atheism is just as much a belief as Christianity

So is belief in the Easter Bunny. You've just conveniently ignored, or worse, denied, that it is possible to verify or falsify beliefs.

Actually, I lie. Atheism is a single proposition: God does not exist. Christianity involves thousands.


I'm neither Catholic nor Christian, I'm agnostic.


Oh. Right. Incidentally, agnosticism is a belief too.


Communism is more based upon atheism than Christianity.

I had to laugh at that one. Atheism is not a philosophy of ethics. It is not a theory of history. It is not a critique of civilisation. It is not a system of political and economic organisation. Christianity is at least three of those things.

Atheism is based upon denial.

It offers no alternative or better explanation of where we came from, or where we are going.
It offers no better code for living.
Christianity is an amalgamation of more than 16 religions, mostly White, and mainly based upon solar and stellar religions, dedicated to worshipping life and fertility and bravery.
To call it a Jewish religion shows an astounding ignorance.
Jews themselves deny it.
The communists don't attack the atheists when they take over, they go straight for the Christians whom they torture and mutilate and kill with utmost viciousness, becaus ethey know the Christians are the group most likely to resist.

Atheism has no alternative to the churches for providing areas where decent people can mix and mate, for raising funds for the old,and poor and weak and ill Whites.
Atheists have almost no hospitals, old age homes, orphanages, clinics to show.

Atheists have yet to explain how atheist WN will be engineering secession in several dozen countries, involving hundreds of millions of people, by alienating and insulting the very people needed.
Reality is that they won't.

The secession movements amongst Whites are currently mainly led by Christians, as is the bulk of the homeschooling movement, the bulk of the anti-abortion movement, the bulk of the NGOs, the ratepayers associations, the political parties etc.

How atheist WN expect to govern these same hundreds of millions of people, who the atheist group clearly despise, are awaited with interest, and amusement.

The only group of WN that struggle to ever get off the ground, are the atheists.
The Christian side has already seceded in close to a dozen countries in Europe, is working amongst those opposed to the EU, and is working amongst the secession movements in the US.
Secession based on culture and language is ripping Belgium in two, and almost resulted in Canada being split and shattered.

Christianity doesn't need to be true.
It's believers are effective.
Evolution is called the theory of evolution, because its a theory.
Atheism is a proposition, not a fact.

What atheist WN have yet to explain, is how, by insulting and rejecting the majority of white people, they expect to achieve anything.

Nationalism based upon ethnicity and religion has brought about the formation and secession of hundreds of countries and thousands of nations over the last few millenia, amongst all races.

Ethnicity and religion are the keys to succesful nationalist movements, whether it be forming nations or countries.

Atheism is based upon denial.

It isn't based on denial, it is denial - of one thing. 'Based' is your typical Christian attempt to transfer the burden off your own shoulders, as the one making the baseless assertion, onto those of the guy who rejects your lie with laughter.

"2 + 2 = 5!" says the Christian, his eyes all big.

"No it doesn't," rejoins (Joe).

Christian, growing angry, "You're an amathist!"

Knowing that assertion X is false is better than nothing. 'Atheist' is the typically cheap, dishonest, illogical attempt of the Christian to make the innocent fellow who won't go along with the Christian's baseless assertions into the bad guy.


It offers no alternative or better explanation of where we came from, or where we are going.
It offers no better code for living.

Atheism doesn't exist, so no big surprise it's not an effective moral code. It's not a very good giraffe or shower curtain either.

How's your Christian moral code working out for you, btw? You've had control of Europe for 2,000 years, and you're still bitching. Big surprise that loving your enemy and your neighbor as yourself, judging not lest ye be judged - big surprise these have worked out for the worst, eh? Maybe there was a little more to hating and fighting your enemies, the traditional view, than Boozus let on.

Sandor, your "participation" in this forum consists of hanging around the forum waiting for others to make posts, which you then attempt to attack or discredit with asinine, childish little comments.

You argue simply for the sake of arguing, not to improve something, not to develop a better way, not because you have some alternative to offer, but just to impress yourself.

The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

Christians formed the White nations and countries of today and the last 2 millenia.

What has the atheist movement achieved over the last 2 millenia?

Christians today hold the balance of power politically, militarily and economically in the White world.

Those who want to succeed in the White world, here and now, in the real world, doing real things in real organisations with real people, will have to gain Christian support.

The choice is simple, work with Christians, and stand a reasonable chance of success.
Work against Christians, and stand no chance of success.

Nationalism in Europe and secession from the EU, and secession in the US, is moving forward, largely driven by Christians.

Whether Christianity is true or not is utterly irrelevant.

Religion is one of the main driving forces in the world today, and has been one of the most important factors in nationalism.

In struggle, one's personal beliefs are irrelevant.

What matters is what works.

Religion is one of the most important factors in nationalism, atheism isn't.

Atheism consists of denial, which is why it doesn't work.

Humans need religion.
Religion is an idea, and the only way to replace an idea, is with a better one.
One cannot do that unless one has a better idea, and the power and the money to introduce that idea.

Successful nationalists throughout history have recognised and used this fact.

The only other force which has ever come close to religion, is ethnicity, and then rarely, because ethnicity is usually based upon a religion.

Atheism denies around 16 mostly White religions, mostly based upon solar and stellar religions, which form the basis of Christianity, and which have existed in some cases for more than 10 000 years.
Jews simply changed the names and places to Jewish names and places in most cases.

Saul/Pauls epiphany on the road to Damascus was that through superimposing the Jewish God upon the White's solar god, Jews could rule the Whites.

In their place, atheism offers, well nothing.
Its basis for denial, is itself.

Religion offers a framework for living, along with ethics, morals and values, provides social, economic and political structures and organisation, as well as providing guidance on how to survive, and how to approach and solve most of life's problems.

Until atheism has an alternative, whether atheism is correct or not is irrelevant.

Christians formed the White nations and countries of today and the last 2 millenia.

What has the atheist movement achieved over the last 2 millenia?

You're willfully blind to the nature of atheism. You push the bigot's view that it is a belief system or a moral system, but it isn't.


The choice is simple, work with Christians, and stand a reasonable chance of success. Work against Christians, and stand no chance of success.

The jews work against Christians and have no problem beating them on every single fight that erupts. Of course, the Christians have been defeated so many times they don't even dare name their enemy anymore - they're too scared. Christians are taxed by jews to pay for their under-ten children to be taught the virtues of homosexuality - and those same kids are forbidden from praying in the classroom. Christians are too cowardly and stupid to fight back and secure their rights, even though the jews are but a tiny minority.

Atheism is based upon denial.

Denying what?

You first tell us what "God" is, and then you can tell us what it is we are supposedly "denying".


It offers no alternative or better explanation of where we came from

Right. But Science offers the actual explanation of "where we came from".

Of course, if one is a little kiked constructivist like Hugh ...

, or where we are going.


Oh crystal ball ...


It offers no better code for living.

Stop comparing apples with oranges. Atheism is not a philosophy.


Christianity is an amalgamation of more than 16 religions, mostly White, and
mainly based upon solar and stellar religions, dedicated to worshipping life and fertility and bravery.To call it a Jewish religion shows an astounding ignorance

Straight out of Zeitgeist. No, it simply shows that one hasn't been taking what some fringe cooks say as academic work and gospel truth.

Jews themselves deny it.

Which Jewish scholars deny the Jewish origins of Christianity? Please name them.

Sandor, your "participation" in this forum consists of hanging around the forum waiting for others to make posts, which you then attempt to attack or discredit with asinine, childish little comments.

You argue simply for the sake of arguing, not to improve something, not to develop a better way, not because you have some alternative to offer, but just to impress yourself.



Ad hominem.


The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

Down the wrong road, yes.

Atheism denies around 16 mostly White religions,

It just keeps getting more bizarre.

But then Celtic Patriot was never one with his head screwed on right.

and which have existed in some cases for more than 10 000 years.

Ask yourself how it is possible to establish what was believed ten thousand years ago. Hugh clearly never did.

Not Jewish, huh?

"Hast thou ever seen a bird or a beast of the forest that
must secure its food by work ? God feeds them, and
they need no effort to obtain their nourishment. Yet the
beast has a mind only to serve man. He, however,
knows his higher vocation — namely, to serve God ; does it
become him, then, to care only for his bodily wants?"
(Kidushin 4, Halach 14)"

"A young man
deserves praise when he becomes [in mind] like the
children" (Tanckuma, fol. 36, col. 4)

"Whosoever
humbles himself in this life for love of the law, the same
will be reckoned among the greatest in the kingdom of
heaven" {Balm Mezia, fol. 84, col. 2).

"Do I not number
every hair of every creature?" "No man strikes here
below with his finger but it is known above " {Chulin, 7)

"What thou dost not like do not to thy neighbour ;
that is the whole doctrine. All the rest is only explana-
tion; go thou and learn."

"Love him that
punisheth thee" (Derech Erez Sutha,c.9)

"Be rather among the persecuted than the perse-
cutors " {Baba mezia, 93)

" If thou honourest my commandments,
thou honourest me ; if thou despisest them, thou despisest
me in them" (Tanchuma, fol. 16, col. 3)

It sure sounds to me like "Jesus" cribbed his moral teachings from the Talmud.

Not Jewish, huh?

It sure sounds to me like "Jesus" cribbed his moral teachings from the Talmud.

Well "Jesus" is said to have amazed the learned elders when he lectured them on "the law" at the age of twelve years. How could they have been amazed had he not in fact demonstrated advanced Talmudic learning?

(BTW, good finds, Sandor!)

Yeah, sheer greatness, Sandor!:nigdrum:

To call it a Jewish religion shows an astounding ignorance. Jews themselves deny it.

Jews deny that Bolshevism was Jewish. They're not a very truthful people.

Now back to the subject. We're still awaiting the kinists' explanation of why Christianity, born of the Jew, and which failed for two millenia to solve the problem of the Jew, is the solution today.

We're still awaiting the kinists' explanation of why Christianity, born of the Jew, and which failed for two millenia to solve the problem of the Jew, is the solution today.

I hope you're not holding your breathe, Mike. Everything OK out there?:)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Parker
We're still awaiting the kinists' explanation of why Christianity, born of the Jew, and which failed for two millenia to solve the problem of the Jew, is the solution today.
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# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Going to respond in bits and pieces.

Indeed, and throughout history almost no one has denied it

No, normal people do not think about “eternity” and “salvation” for their “sins.” Those are Christian concerns. Normal people have self-respect, and part of that is respect for their ancestors and carrying on worthwhile traditions. And when circumstances change, or new demands arise, altering the traditions as needed. To a very large extent, Christianity is drama-queenism. Like lefties trying to sell communism as science, Christians try to sell their fictions as truth.

although there have been vast differences in how God is perceived. The Kinist God is the God of the Bible, not the god of William Pierce or any other charlatan who tries to play upon the universal need for spiritual validation by inventing unfalsifiable stories, and in the end, when he realizes that the god of his vain imagination is as lifeless as totems of wood and stone, turns to the only life he knows and makes a god of his race

One of the most irritating things about you Christians, admin, is your complete inability to take others on their own terms. You always impute to those who don’t share your false views the same essential mentality as yourselves. Not true. We don’t “worship” our race, or worship at the altar of our race, or make a god of our race – at least most of us don’t. Don’t try to interpret us in your terms, it doesn’t work. I have said many times our problem has more to do with garbage management than religion or spirit. There are pythons who can’t hatch viable eggs if the temperature is a degree too low. So it is with whites. We exist. We’re valid as a type, at least as valid as any other. We need the proper conditions to thrive. There doesn’t have to be any more to it than that – for me and most WN. We don’t have to justify ourselves at all, and we don’t. 99% of the species that ever existed are extinct, if those who study such things are correct. I don’t want to see my kind join them. I don’t need a spiritual reason for feeling that way. I don’t need any non-spiritual reason. I just prefer it, and that’s enough. I would say that my own personal preference is driven trebly by: 1) desire for my kids and kind to live in the environment best suited for their development; 2) aesthetic repulsion against jews and prefernce for white ways; 3) urge to make order out of disorder, whether its washing dirty spoons or washing the semitic-spewn scum off the streets. Not a bit of gawd everywhere in the picture. And there are more WN who feel the way I do than on your side. What you Christians always try to do that is not only irritating, it simply doesn’t fit, is imply that meaning is only found on your terms. And our feelings or drivers have no reality. We either fit your meaning-system or we “can’t” feel the way we do. Yet we do. And we are more numerous than you. And most of yours disagree with you. I urge you to go back to the standard and accepted and rational way of separating opinion from fact. Objective reality, in the crude sense of you do this and this happens, is a fact. Your Christ myths and claims are nothing but opinion. They are not on the same level as fact.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

Oh no, admin, you are entirely wrong in your response to jimbo. The existence of the fictional character Jesus is exactly like the Holocaust – it seems plausible until you examine it, at which point it falls apart. Here’s what Revilo Oliver asserts. Keep in mind that he was no amateur liar/apologist like Clown S. Lewis, he was a renowned classic scholar more erudite than virtually anyone on earth, and he asserts, with his professional reputation on the line that Jesus is a composite figure.

Reflections on the Christ Myth

by Revilo P. Oliver

Professor of the Classics, Retired; University of Illinois, Urbana

[This booklet and its addendum were previously published, in part, in Liberty Bell magazine. -- K.A.S.]

CHAPTER ONE: THE CHRIST MYTH

CHRISTIANITY IS A FUSION of two myths. The Jesus myth requires no explication. It is clear that the stories collected in the “New Testament” are versions of a folk-tale formed, like the legend of Robin Hood, by the accretion around a central figure of episodes in the careers of a number of minor figures. The Jesus of that legend was a composite formed from tales about Jesus ben Ananias (1), Jesus ben Pandera (2), the agitator, whose name may have been Jesus, who led a party of his followers into Jerusalem during the celebration of the Passover and was well received by the populace, but soon suppressed, and Judas the Gaulanite (3). And it is possible, of course, that there was an otherwise forgotten Jesus who also tried to start a Jewish revolt against civilized rule and paid the penalty. The composite Jesus was, of course, a would-be christ and interested only in his own barbarous people. The stories in the “New Testament” have been embellished by Christians, and that is what is remarkable.

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Reflections.html

Your talk about eyewitnesses from 2,000 years ago – in every other part of your feed you would laugh at the writer saying something so foolish. The idea of “eyewitness” testimony…from 2009 years ago…written up by dozens of authors…all with axes to grind…70 to 150 years after the fact…filtered through how many languages…being court-acceptable is…past funny.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm

Christianity and its apologists are funny, if you think about it. They’re the definition of ‘can’t get laid in a whorehouse.’ Here they have a Savior, a real comeback kid, who backflips out of the grave, who raises his buddies up from the dead, who is the wisest and most compassionate man who ever lived, and half-god and of virgin birth, and he restores sight to the blind and pimp-rolling to the lame, and slurring to the halt, and turns a few fishes and breadstuffs into gorgeous loaves and giant vats of grapey goodness…and yet the only way these christians their World-Beater can get anyone to join them is to…cut off heads, buy politicians, browbeat babes snoozing in the cradle, and patrol the red-light district for druggies and drinkers.

If there was ever anything that sold itself, it would be Jeboo. No Billy Mays needed when you’ve got Jeboo the Amazing. Yet it took endless fiction, endless propagandizing, endless lying, to get the Jeboo fire to kindle.

Turn it around: the remarkable thing is that the entire world didn’t convert to Jebooism the minute it observed or heard from credible people of this comely personage’s David Blaine-supering performances. If I saw someone do one one-hundredth of the miraculous activity attributed to composite Jesus I would not be forced to acknowledge, I would immediately, quite willingly, even joyously acknowledge that my view of reality had changed in light of evidence. How could anyone who saw Jesus or heard of his doings from a credible source not become a Christian? He couldn’t. The only reasonable answer is that Jesus didn’t do the things the semitic-souled sauls who cobbled the Bible claim he did. But then, of course, we know from Oliver that it’s even deeper than that: the very Miracle-Worker himself was a fiction, just like his miracles. That’s the history of it, that’s the Occam’s razor of it, that’s the White of it.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm

Indeed, and throughout history almost no one has denied it, although there have been vast differences in how God is perceived. The Kinist God is the God of the Bible,

Have you confirmed with the pope? He leads a sect based out of some small city in Italy, I believe. I know that he claims the jew-Trotskyist-communist coinage ‘racism’ is a sin. I don’t know his position on kinism, if he’s ever heard of it.


not the god of William Pierce or any other charlatan who tries to play upon the universal need for spiritual validation

Ope, sorry buddy. I need air and water. I do not need spiritual validation. So it’s not universal. Need for universal spiritual validation – did you crib that from Oprah or Dr. Phil?

Of all religions in the world, the ambassador of only one came as the Son of the Creator and Law-Giver, and He did what no other man could do or would do: He died in our place to satisfy the penalty of our sin. Therefore we live, not because of enlightenment or karma but because Christ first loved us. Miracles confirmed His authority, His Word, and the appointment of His prophets and apostles who gave us the Bible.

This passage reminds me of that joke about pissing in blue serge suit. It feels good and warm, and no one notices. You can exalt and declaim all day long, but you make no impression on anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. You win souls for White when you stick to reality – real stories involving real people doing real things. Then you become funny and insightful. When you’re puffing about Jesus, we who know better just grin. It’s funny how people can be fully sane and effectual in one way, and wholly irrational in another. Didn’t your boy Boozus say the least of his could far outdo his works? When does that start happening? It reminds me of the Christian Science I grew up – they’re gonna restore the lost art of primitive Christian healing. They just can’t. If they could, they’d convert the entire world. Your trouble begins when you get away from reality and lost in papworld where sin and evil and demons cackle and ride. Don’t make things more complex than they have to be. The jews are a different species, and there is no room for them and us.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm

All we have sought to do as Kinists is teach that the Bible does not condone the destruction of the white race that is advocated by modern churches.

You teach – better put interpret – because you can’t quote, which would be much stronger. The Bible, in point of fact, never mentions the White race, let alone says anything about preserving it. The people who quote the bible on race are the liberals, because so many of its points fit their agenda with very little twisting, quite plausibly in the brains of the not very smart. Where do you think the endless judeo-christian-leftist bilge about Whites being haters and them driven by love originates – it all goes straight back to the Big Book o’ Jewish Bullshit – your beloved Bible. This leaves you, the tiny pro-White Christian minority, in position of always defending and never attacking, and attacking, according to the post- and non-Christian NS, is the only way to beat them. You’re in the strange and foolish position of defending a book written by your worst enemy as the proper means to defend the race that enemy does everything it can to destroy.

The Bible simply has nothing to do with the White race (beyond its use as a tool to undermine it) – it is a jew book. No book could possibly be meaner-spirited, more dishonest, or just plain jewier in spirit and feel than the Bible. As a young child reading its verses I could tell it was written by a people utterly foreign in nature and spirit to my own. No White men could have come up with the Bible. The only relation White men have to the bible is translating it into poetic English and falling for it.

Again and again, true to our ancestors, we have disproved Linder’s belief that “the Bible says nothing about race.”

You wouldn’t need to prove and prove again if you could come up with one simple quotation, such as, “The White race is distinct and valuable, and its members would be wise to preserve themselves as a group.” In a book of 1700 pages, a book with hundreds of thousands of passages, you can’t come up with any single statement within 1,000 miles of the most basic WN declaration. In the end what you really have, although you dress it with airs, is a tiny-minority interpretation of a hate book manufactured by White-hating foreigners.

We have shown that the vast majority of Christendom has opposed the deracinating impulses of our time.

So what happened? Where did the problem originate? You have all the people and, sez you, the right doctrine – how the hell did things fall apart? Is it not obvious that Christianity at the very least is chock full of holes? That it is the wrong doctrine for those who want to preserve the White race? History makes the answer clear – Christinity might not be the main problem our race faces, but it is one hell of a lot closer to the problem than the solution.

Using Christianity to defend the White race is flat goofy. It’s the definition of arguing from a weak point rather than the strong point. That’s why virtually all the traffic involving men who feel as you and I do about race is one way: Christians became German nationalists – German nationalists did not become Christians. You’re trying to put a gloss on a text cobbled by our worst enemies to prove that it ‘really’ is our book, and really defends our people. Not even Jesus could accomplish that trick.

If you can’t even win your position when you’re the 99% majority then your doctrine or your men have serious problems. If the problem is a bad interpretation of the Bible, then remember what Spengler said, which hangs your entire kinist position boots in the breeze: Christianity is the god-mother of bolshevism. The liberalism that admitted jews as equals and destroyed our society is Christian in origin. Who said “judge not lest ye be judged”? Bless my soul, I believe ’twas Jebooze. That’s like saying “think not lest thou be thoughtful.” If you don’t think the dumbing down of ZOG’s modern indoctrination camps called public school is the church built over the jesus cloaca of nescience and non-judgmentalism, you’re nuts. Equality in one area tends to promote equality in all. Spiritual equality leads naturally to political equality. Any equality not based in reality endangers every other rational discrimination.

This does not matter to Linder because he only cares about what the churches are doing currently. In his mind, this is sufficient confirmation for his belief that Christianity has always been useless.

It took Christianity at least decades, if not centuries, to talk White people out of their senses. But in the end, it seems to have triumphed – unless and until we depose it. You’re attributing to Christianity the qualities that Christianity did the most to drive out of white people. It was Christianity that talked about not judging, about converting natives and saving their souls, about loving all the little children of the world – each step pretty much follows from the earlier. Taking apart White societies one degree, one step at a time, is a proven jewish method of destroying them. You’re embracing the poison as the serum.

He has many misunderstandings about what we believe, and I doubt that any explanation we could offer would dissuade him from his presuppositions and presumptions, but what follows is a response to some of what he has written, in no particular order.

Nothing would make me believe what you do, but I am interested in the origins of kinism, and how it fits the rest Christianity – in a way parallel to my interest in E. Michael Jones and his interpretation of 2,000 years of Catholic history and doctrine in relation to the “revolutionary” jews. I think I’ve read most of your site, but what I would really appreciate from you, is posts that lay out the biggest context for kinism. That is,

- who originated this doctrine?
- who are its main proponents and preachers today?

As WN, what I have tried to do for the christians is extract and publicize those men and christians who at least see a good portion of the same problems we WN do. I’ve done this with Ted Pike and a couple other smaller-level prots, and EMJ and the Catholics – and of course these guys have done much for me by way of tutoring in Euro history, altho I certainly don’t share their interpretation. So where does kinism fit in this? What’s its origins, how does it relate to Catholic doctrine, how does it relate politically to the Southern movement these days and historically? Who are the main preachers and are there actual kinist churches, like there are traditional RC churches? What’s the institutionalization of the thing, or is it purely intellectual and online? I’m looking for context. I’m greedy for understanding. I will never agree with you, but I need your help to place you in the mental constellation, to see how it all fits together, where mutual interests lie.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm

Our “most learned scholars” have never explained away the evidence and eyewitness testimony presented in the Bible, which would hold up in any court of law. For instance, the Jewish leaders could have done one simple thing to end Christianity forever: produce the dead body of Jesus.

On the other hand, if Jesus never existed, as our greatest scholar alleges, then the absence of body makes a certain simple sense. Indeed, it’s unavoidable!

But seriously, admin, I ask in all modest seriousness:

- have you, personally, known anyone fathered by ‘gawd’? any virgins who gave birth?
- have you, personally, ever known anyone who died and then came back to life?
- have you, personally, ever seen anyone raise someone else from the dead?
- ever seen anyone turn water into wine?
- ever seen anyone walk on water? turn three fish into eight hundred thirty-three fish? multiply loaves to feed a multitude?

As for eyewitnesses, aren’t they notoriously unreliable – even when there’s no layer of thousands of years and hundreds of writers and editors and various and sundry agenda-driven bilgemeisters between us and these alleged ‘eyewitnesses’?

Wouldn’t the white assumption, in light of the complete and total – and against His word — irreproducibility of Jesus’ supposed accomplishments argue against his existence and doctrines? Do men not lie? Are jews not especially and historically noted as liars and the common enemy of all other races? Did jews not write the bible, and did contemporary Romans not call them the enemy of all mankind? Does Occam’s razor ever kick in for you…at some point? A thousand toilets flushing continually for a thousand years couldn’t gulp more bullshit than a christian has to swallow to go along withe the Big Lie that is Composite Jesus. And to top off the irony, you’re seeing the same goddam thing reenacted right in front of your nose in ‘the’ ‘holocaust’ – today, even with all the documentary media we have – and you still can’t draw the conclusion. I can find you 10,000 eyewitnesses to ”the’ ‘holocaust” for every one ancient ‘eyewitness’ to Jesus’ miracles – does that mean, therefore then, that the holocaust actually happened?
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 pm

The greatest art and science in the world have been the gifts of Christians

A bigoted and inaccurate statement. Try harder to remember that most Christians are non-whites, and non-White christians have created not a single work of art or science of note. I exaggerate, but very little.

Not a single Greek was a Christian, yet every Greek was White – and Christians themselves proved incapable of supering a single Greek accomplishment in art, engineering, philosphy or anything else. You say it is ‘religious inspiration’ that gets a Caravaggio to paint an old jew on stick, but I say it is merely a commission. Caravaggio exhibits his technical talent equally in ‘Boy Bitten by a Green Lizard.’ Christian doesn’t inspire the great men, it inspires the insipid. The great men, the real achievers, are the ones like Edison and Watson – the atheists. Edison singlemindedly created more than 2,000 years of Christian civilization, and he did it without benefit of public schooling or Jebooism. The greatest literary artists are men like Mencken and Twain – atheists, not religious drones. They at best are talented scolds – moralizers, not artists.

Whites existed before Christianity, and if Christianity, working the jews, doesn’t destroy their race by filling it with genocidal delusions, they will outlast them – or at least their final transformation into fulltime jungleism.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Linder’s wild misconceptions of what the Bible actually teaches can be stunning, but his real hang-up is with the idea that Christianity is universal.

Oh really. The idea that Christianity is universal is my personal hang-up? Was it me sending all those missionaries off bushward armed with bushwa to convert the duskies and darklings? “One size fits all” is indeed Christian doctrine. The snake oil works from pole to pole. As efficacious for Eskimo as salubrious for pygmy. Not my doctrine, admin, that’s yours!

Like Nietzsche, he believes that religion is fabricated to compensate for masculine inadequacies.

I’m no particular fan of Nietzsche, if I were I’d quote him like I do Schopenhauer or Mencken. My observations about Christianity are taken from my own experience in real life. My observation, germane to our political discussion, is that Christians, tend to be weaklings, hypocrites, delusional fools, and purchasable tools. Now, all men are that way, but Christians are worse than average. Christian preachers were pro-discrimination and segregation until the feds threatened their churches’ tax status. Then they, virtually all of them, flipped their position overnight. That’s the measure of their commitment to principle.

Christianity, as it exists today, is basically sop for the left half of the bell curve, supplying a living for a fraction of sharpers on the right. “The worst shall be first” – yeah, that leads real naturally to protecting the white race from the inferior races. Square peg, meet round hole.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pm

Again, if atheists want to prove that high civilization is simply a matter of cold “engineering principles,” nothing is preventing them from creating works of art

Try creating something like Chartres with nothing but inspiration, and see how far you get. The lowliest bush nigger shaman is filled to the oversized nosehole with inspiration, just look at it shimmy! – but it can’t turn that inspiration into anything lasting because it hasn’t the necessities, as Al Campanis said in different context. Neither have 99% of white Christians. So the delusional belief system aint the causative factor. Where are the great achievement of your stupid, animalistic nigger Christians? Even your high-IQ gook christians have produced nothing culturally impressive. Yet I can cite artist after artist after sculptor after (every single Greek) after scientist after scientist who is atheist and discovered new knowledge or made transcendent art. Christian writer better than atheist Mencken? Does not exist. Christian artist equl to Twain? Does not exist. Christian scientist/inventor equal to Edison? Does not exist. Christian who disocovered genetic code? Does not exist. Christianity distorted White genius, and very likely suppressed it even more than it channeled it. White genius survives and eventually shines through every cultural form, no matter how diseased – whether christianity, its sister communism, or even perverted mud noise like rap. White blood, born into a thousand different circumstances, will manifest itself in something impressive, whether good, bad or weird.

Achievement doesn’t track with Christianity, it tracks with Whiteness. Wherever Whiteness goes, its colors show, from pyramids to Celtic metalwork to Tocharian weaves. Religion has zip to do with it. The fact that queers like Michelangelo created Christian works on commission (a lot of them to pay off gambling debts) is converted by you into Christianity inspiring everything great. This is leaving alone the rather obvious argument that the fact that a society is deemed Christian by no means proves the individual creator actually shared the delusions himself, rather than a) never thinking about them, or b) just going along because it was safer and more profitable. True love and belief in Jesus creates a lot more schlock than quality, just listen to Christian radio – the quality of true-believer artwork is very low. Real artistry has nothing to do with religious belief in the vast majority of cases – a queer like the ceiling painter is not driven by love of Jesus, if he were, he’d take seriously the Bible’s admonitions against homosexuality.

No, the greatness is in the blood, not the belief. Take 200 white babies at random, throw them in the forest, watch them develop over time – you’re going to get all the same things their kind has produced wherever it has traveled, and jeboo has nothing to do with it.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 pm

If there is no possibility of some degree of unity with those who are not like us then war will be our lot perpetually.

You and Bono want unity with the niggers and jews who would destroy us. Why not try operating in the real world where there are conflicting and irreconcilable interests? At the very least, let’s not hear any bilge about christianity NOT being the spring of the illiberalism you all claim is destroying us. God or nature or whatever has decreed that subspecies cannot occupy the same space. Try to fight that law, it seems to be as solid as the law of gravity. The question is whether we survive or they do, not how some suppositious supreme being wants us to get along, that’s pregnant with its own asininity. God created peoples and races that were all in his image, yet could not get along. Does that make some kind of sense to anybody?

We see that the pluriform God created a pluriform humanity that will thrive and know peace only when there is a proper balance to “the one and the many.” Without Christ, centralization and consolidation are unrestrained, not only in government but in everything.

So then it would be the christians pushing closed borders, deporting third-world savages, and allowing free association so that the descendants of white men could protect their communities from loosed niggers? Or are the christians as one in pushing forced immigration, open borders, and anti-white-norms non-judgmentalism? Oh, they used to believe differently, yes, i hear that from you a lot. You notice how WN never have to make that argument – only christians. Which is a powerful indication that WN stands for something but christianity does not.

Mankind is not meant for a future in Oceania. There is no other route to a blissful future than through the cross, for only then do we realize God’s purpose in a spiritually unified but physically variegated humanity, just as He created us, in His own image. What other “holy” books teach this? What other “prophets” have spoken it? Where is it found in the science textbooks? How else could multiculturalism ever be challenged? Linder’s solution to the problem is to exterminate his enemies, but this solution denies the nature of God and the nature of man and puts Linder in the place of God to judge what is good and what is evil, just like Nietzsche’s “Superman.” In other words, it is the very oldest sin, the sin of pride.

Exceptionally weakly reasoned. What your pride and unreason won’t let you admit is that you and I both argue from preferences – I needn’t pretend otherwise, while you pretending you will is this ‘gawd’-thing’s will.

Let me explain something to you. When you posit a (nonexistent) all-powerful, all-knowing creature who created the world in his image, you can’t then turn around and let him escape, uh, credit for all recorded bloody violent history. If god created us, then he is responsible for our actions and every last tittle of the way things turn out. There is no getting around that, logically, altho you christians never have end trying. If you’re all powerful, then…you have no excuses. You want people to do what you want, then, make them do what you want. Only a passive agressive faggot god would try to weasel out with free will. Well, hey, I guess god doesn’t really want what you claim he wants – not if he has the means to prevent it, and he refrains. So stop blaming man rather than the creator for the way things turned out when you yourself claim we are created in his image and he is all-powerful. (How are we not all-powerful and omniscent if we’re created in his image? Another question you can’t answer.)

And again, taking our cue from the observed world of facts, people who study the matter say that 99% of species that ever existed on earth are extinct. If god created the world, he obviously has no problem with extinction. So, arguing the way you do, I can say that my position is obviously godlier than yours, since I’m following the indicated pattern. Extermination is god’s way, all the evidence, including plenty in that book you worship, says so. Your way of claiming what has never happened is possible does not reflect God’s created reality or his advice in many parts of the old testament. There is nothing Bible-Gawd supports more than slewing you enemies…and their babies…and their livestock…and their pet goldfish.

I say, not because of god, but because it is my reading of history, we should exterminate the main enemy, the jew, and let the remaining races stay on their patches. There will still be border friction, but war has always been with us, because god created us that way (that would be the other side of the “in his image” slicing fatally back into your peace-on-earth side), there might, i say might, be a little less of it than we have today. Which is probably the best we can do.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pm

From this throne of pride, Linder becomes what he hates.

That’s the typically dishonest, illogical christian way of spinning the WN policy of bringing a gun to a gunfight. In a fight, your enemy sets the terms. The jews attempt to force us to live on terms that do not allow our kind to thrive, not even to survive. They do not discriminate between us stupid goyim, save that we whites collectively are more threatening than the other races they oppose. And of course, their high holidays are celebrations of the mass murders of their enemies.

You have two choices. You can acknowledge the truth about the jews’ aims against our race, or you can pretend that we can keep on with the failed christian policy of the last 2,000 years – treating jews as individuals rather than as a hostile tribe that hates us and means us ill down to our littlest babies.

I respond to the facts of history, and the facts of our current situation. The pride, the false and foolish pride, lies in your refusal to measure your false beliefs about jews and their aims against White men as recorded in the reality known as history; the attitude on tap and display in all jewish words and teachings and holidays – indeed, every record of their declared intentions, whether factual or fabled, as in your very own Bible’s Old Testament. They mean us genocide. We should beat them to the punch.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 pm

For one, because it has never entered into the mind of a pagan to feed and clothe strangers out of love, like the Good Samaritan.

For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:46-48)

Likewise, in 1 Timothy 5:8, we are told that even infidels care for their own, and Christians are rebuked as worse than infidels when they do not.

And what is the upshot of this Christian insanity? Open borders. Importing Somalis to Minnesota, lost boys to the middle of Tennessee.

Hating and killing your enemies – retro-cool, itz. Loving your enemies is a recipe for social destruction. Christianity removed love from its proper sphere, and, like a fire out of the hearth, it is burning down the world.
# Alex Linder Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

This brings us right back to the Christian pursuit of global unity versus the atheist pursuit of extermination. We grant that in the last 60 years Christians have often failed in this goal because they have pursued an absolute, Babelistic unity rather than a pluriform unity in spiritual communion.

This is as dumb as a newspaper writing about the education gap between nigger students and whites, and how to make it up.

Wake up, man: there is no spiritual communion. There is no unity. There is no equality. Why would races different in every other way be the same spiritually? Don’t you see that embracing the liberal dogma of X equality you would reject in every other context?

Niggers don’t look, smell or act like white people, let alone think or have ’spiritual communion’ with them. I say you’re pitching equality, and I say to hell with it.

Even niggers branded with the christian c keep the nature, just like jew conversos and marranos. Did you see the article about all the Nigerian christians practicing their own grisly all-African brand of exorcism on kids and such? You can put a nigger in a chapel, but it doesn’t become a human. Christianity is alchemy, and alchemy is a pseudo-science. Nigger is nigger is nigger, and there ain’t no equating it to white any which you try to work it. Give it up.
# Alex Linder Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm

We ask the same question of the VNN crowd: How do your unitarian views allow for diversity within the race? When have national socialists ever allowed devolution of the megastate? What evidence do we have that they ever will?

I’m not a national socialist, so I won’t speak for them. I will merely point out that Germany is as large as Washington + Oregon, so centralization isn’t quite the same there as here, and more important, NS were concerned with jewish mass murderers a few hundred miles away from their territory, and trying to perpetrate communist revolution followed by genocide in every country they could. So centralization was necessary to racial/national/communal/individual defense. NS were only in power for 12 years; had they won and extirpated communism from Europe, there is no telling for sure how they might have evolved domestically.

As for VNN views, I can only give my views, here for example:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1001470&posted=1#post1001470

In brief, I believe in a racial dictatorship in the form of a monofunctional overstate, concentrating wholly on racial defense, serving as an umbrella for a diversity of microstates underneath. I follow the principle of subsidiarity – power belongs at the level it is most reasonably exercised, mostly individual and local, sometimes state, only federal if related to racial defense.

I believe that combining the insights of the libertarians into economics law combined with “nazi” understanding of biological law is a new and unprecedented and potentially attractive way to lay out our cause. I believe giving White men their heads back – their thinking heads and their right to run their families as they see fit – is far more attrative to our kind than empty godism, whether Christ-insanity or empty “love your race” mantras.

What isn’t realized widely today, and what has virtually never, to date, been acted on, is the libertarian-proved reality that goverment is almost wholly outmoded. The tasks it performs today are demonstrably better performed, in virtually every single case, including possibly national defense, by private voluntary associations rather than through centralized force. But – the part the libertarians don’t grasp or won’t admit – this newly recognized but untested reality can only be implemented in a White context.

Just as love and hate have their proper spheres, so do race and the individual. The entire point of the white race is its remarkable individuation – which must be protected, at the national level, even as it is facilitated at the individual level. And those who want to exercise their individualism by mixing with muds can fuck off to the third world or we WN will kill them, because the race is worth killing over.

My entire aim and focus is a nation fit for a White man. The racial dictatorship takes care of the White, and the microstate liberty takes care of the man. So I’m really a white-man-tionalist, so to speak. True NS are more white-antionalists, because they see white society as something to be managed as an ant farm, with new Hitler taking all the adult decisions on every issue.

Turn it around: the remarkable thing is that the entire world didn’t convert to Jebooism the minute it observed or heard from credible people of this comely personage’s David Blaine-supering performances. If I saw someone do one one-hundredth of the miraculous activity attributed to composite Jesus I would not be forced to acknowledge, I would immediately, quite willingly, even joyously acknowledge that my view of reality had changed in light of evidence. How could anyone who saw Jesus or heard of his doings from a credible source not become a Christian? He couldn’t. The only reasonable answer is that Jesus didn’t do the things the semitic-souled sauls who cobbled the Bible claim he did. But then, of course, we know from Oliver that it’s even deeper than that: the very Miracle-Worker himself was a fiction, just like his miracles. That’s the history of it, that’s the Occam’s razor of it, that’s the White of it.

You may be making the case for the existence of Jesus with this line of reasoning. I mean think about it. Whether Jesus did or didn't exist or was a composite of different people the fact of the matter is after real or fake or composite Jesus checked out, the Christian religion quickly grew in size and influence in only a few decades and by the 4th century had become the dominant religion within the Roman Empire.

To accomplish something like that takes a lot of really committed and dedicated people. It's hard to imagine Christianity being some giant ruse that has lasted for thousands of years. The people that began it risked their lives and many died, got crucified, or were fed to lions. It's a stretch for me to believe they made the whole thing up. People don't willingly give up their lives over a big fraud and I find it unlikely that early xtian adherents could be bamboozled by fables into doing so. Clearly these were people(the early xtians) that believed in their hearts that a real guy named Jesus was their savior and could work "miracles", that's the only thing that reasonably explains why early xtians were willing to die over it.

But don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make the case for a historical Jesus and alleged miracles. I'm just trying to look at it from a logical perspective. Your theory from what I gather says that Christianity is wholly based upon a fake person with fake miracles all based on lies and made up shit that for some reason just happened to really take off after their "messiah" got waxed and whose early leaders were more than willing to die for it. It's a difficult line of reasoning to swallow because it assumes too much. (Occam’s razor). There is no motivation for people to follow a new religion based on strange tales that even simple sheep herders would call bullshit on. There isn't enough preaching of the after life you can give to a fisherman of 2,000 years ago that would make him choose death by lion over renouncing his xtian beliefs.It goes against human nature and self preservation.

Unless, there really was a guy named Jesus and somehow, some way, he convinced a lot of people that he could perform miracles. That is the only logical way Christianity could have gotten off the ground and spread as fast as it did. Obviously a lot of early xtians believed in it because they had seen jeebs magic tricks with their own eyes.

The only other alternative is to believe it was all a giant con job about a guy who never existed. A form of never seen before mass hypnosis that could convince people to give up their lives for it and had the ability to take over an empire. Not likely. In fact it would be impossible for that to happen. It would take a fucking miracle for this type of scenario to play out. Linder the miracle worker.:D

Ask a christian "why are we on earth"?? And he'll say "to serve Jesus".

Some world view, huh ?

When you pin one down with the absurdity of a fiery hell for non-believers, he'll say "why take a chance"??

Christian writer better than atheist Mencken? Does not exist.

Mencken doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Charles Baudelaire.

Christian artist equl to Twain? Does not exist.

Twain doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Rembrandt van Rijn.


Christian scientist/inventor equal to Edison? Does not exist.

Edison doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Isaac Newton.

Christian who disocovered genetic code? Does not exist.

I may as well ask you who the atheist was who discovered the Sun doesn't go about the Earth.

Gregor Mendel, a monk, founded the science of genetics.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon10.jpg http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm

http://www.truthbeknown.com/#

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/9780979963100med.jpg

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus1.html

He has many misunderstandings about what we believe, and I doubt that any explanation we could offer would dissuade him from his presuppositions and presumptions, but what follows is a response to some of what he has written, in no particular order.

Not a very promising way to begin.

That’s why virtually all the traffic involving men who feel as you and I do about race is one way: Christians became German nationalists – German nationalists did not become Christians.

This is an important point. There were numerous Christian-conservative-patriotic movements in Hitler's Germany and Austria, but the people who became NS chose not to base their political program on any of them. NS tolerated Christianity but they knew Christianity was not the answer to their Jewish problem.

It's interesting how much the Catholic Church hated NS (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html), notwithstanding the similarity in their social and economic thought. I think the main reason is that NS showed that it could rid Germany of the Jews' cultural and political subversion that so offended Catholics, and create the kind of cohesive society traditionally associated with Catholic Europe, all without Jesus and without the priesthood.

The concern today is that Jesus still comes first, and that the Christian uses nationalism to benefit Christianity the same way he uses anti-nationalism to benefit Christianity.

have made a boatload more posts tonight here:

http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/comment-page-2/#comment-14983

will probably copy them back here later

What evidence do you have linking godlessness with immorality? I would bet any amount of money that atheists are not 1% more immoral than Christians by any objective standard. I would also bet that atheists are, on average, considerably more intelligent than Christians.



Christianity is universal. That is the reason the jews were never racially identified and dealt with, because they were presumed to have souls and be convertable. We are now where those foolish CHRISTIAN mistakes led us. Christianity is doctrinally and dogmatically committed to a view of jews that does not fit the facts.

The correct thing to do is class jews as non-humans, as vermin, and to exterminate them. Do that, and you won't have any more problems from jews. But Christians can't do that because their dogma forbids them from seeing jews for what they are.


That's why I rejected christianity. I prefer to live a sane life as a pagan rather than an insane one as a christian!

After monks converted Aryan chiefs, the Aryan chiefs made it a capital offense not to be a christian. The die hard Odinists were hog tied then placed into wicker baskets, strung up over bon fires, and slowly burned to death in front of the whole tribe.

Twasn't long before the whole tribe began worhipping the dead kike on the stick. Then after 2-3 generations, young Aryans said: "By gott, my father believed it, my grandfather believed it, so I believe it too."

Hence, the hymn: "It was good for our fathers, it was good for our fathers, and it's good enough for me. Gimme that old fashion religion, gimme that old fashion religion, it's good enough for me." blah, blah, blah.

The longer I live, and the more I see, the more convinced I become that Christianity was the worst thing that ever happened to the White race. I come to this belief honestly - in light of experience and increasing knowledge. I did not think this way ten years ago when VNN began.

The longer I live, and the more I see, the more convinced I become that Christianity was the worst thing that ever happened to the White race. I come to this belief honestly - in light of experience and increasing knowledge. I did not think this way ten years ago when VNN began.

I couldn't agree more, Alex. I said in my 1999 book that christianity was the 2nd biggest trick the jews ever played on us. The legalized abortion of hundreds of millions of white infants, worldwide, being first.

Btw, I see the big jews have called in their IOU's to their televangelist whores. Pat Robertson, John Hagee, the highest paid, and all the rest are on TV solemnly calling on their faithful, jew-worshipping flocks to hate and make more war on Islam. Another regular christian Jihad, like the one against those mean ole nazi terrorists, in WWII. Who, like the mean old muslims, were trying to destroy christianity and rule the world.

The longer I live, and the more I see, the more convinced I become that Christianity was the worst thing that ever happened to the White race. I come to this belief honestly - in light of experience and increasing knowledge. I did not think this way ten years ago when VNN began.

Geez , you'd almost think that someone devised it as a method to poison their adversaries . Something akin to a psychological virus .

Who would do that ?

After monks converted Aryan chiefs, the Aryan chiefs made it a capital offense not to be a christian. The die hard Odinists were hog tied then placed into wicker baskets, strung up over bon fires, and slowly burned to death in front of the whole tribe.

Julius Caesar wouldn't agree with you:

The Wicker Man was a large wicker statue of a human used by the ancient Druids (priests of Celtic paganism) for human sacrifice by burning it in effigy, according to Julius Caesar in his Commentarii de Bello Gallico (Commentary on the Gallic War).[1] In modern times the figure has been adopted for festivals as part of some neopagan-themed ceremonies, notably without the human sacrifice element.[2]

(Source: Wikipedia)

It's pathetic the way these WN christians get offended when we try to free them from jew-created superstitions, and their life-long terror of eternal hell-fire and damnation. The fools actually take it personally. They think we're attacking them rather than the kosher poison they've been fed all their lives.

Sure they take it personally .
Because they have been taught to self-indentify with it .

Q: What are you ? A: I am a Christian .

A very cunning and powerful trick , to get ppl to identify themselves by doctrine.

When you attack Christianity , you are attacking them . This is the way the church has hijacked the instinct for self-preservation , to serve the purpose of protecting the institution . Something like the way a virus hijacks a cell , to reproduce more virus .

I said in my 1999 book that christianity was the 2nd biggest trick the jews ever played on us. The legalized abortion of hundreds of millions of white infants, worldwide, being first.

Funny how the second is opposed to the first, while atheists generally don't seem to have a problem with widespread abortion.

Geez , you'd almost think that someone devised it as a method to poison their adversaries . Something akin to a psychological virus .

Who would do that ?

Someone needs to study the origins of Christianity with neither a Christian nor an anti-Christian agenda. Just pure scholarship, the disinterested search for truth. No politics.

I'm convinced Christianity was stitched together from much older religions (and I don't just mean Judaism).

Julius Caesar wouldn't agree with you:



Rounder is close enough. When Olaf the Stout was converted to Christianity, the options to conversion were , gouging out of eyes , strangulation , forfeiture of posessions and expulsion .

Some who refused were suspended above bonfires and lowered and raised from the fire , to prolong the agony .

It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere, ancient Druidic customs were used on refuseniks .

Someone needs to study the origins of Christianity with neither a Christian nor an anti-Christian agenda. Just pure scholarship, the disinterested search for truth. No politics.

I'm convinced Christianity was stitched together from much older religions (and I don't just mean Judaism).

It has been done . That is the general conclusion of many . Most of the biblical concepts are not new . Virgin birth , very old idea . Man rises from the dead, Krishna did it 13 times . Water ritual , baptism , again very old , older than the Iliad, Achilles dipped in water, but his heels not protected . Man-god idea , India is full of this and has been for 5,000 yrs . Asoka had Buddhist missionaries all over the Levant to Egypt by 250 B.C.. Which probably accounts for nihilistic pacifism of Christianity ('the meek shall inherit the earth', 'resist not evil'). On and on it goes .

More importantly , that bible doesn't have true revelation , such as ; mosquitoes carry malaria , fleas carry plague, there are 92 natural elements , atom is the fundamental chemical element, seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth's axis , earth orbits sun , lightning is the discharge of electrons , stars are not candles on a glass sphere but other suns . Nothing but rituals , ghosts , witches and several failed predictions .

If they truely had contact with God , they'd at least get some of those concepts .

Funny how the second is opposed to the first, while atheists generally don't seem to have a problem with widespread abortion.

then there are WNs who are often Atheist and pro life. It really messes with people to find that out about me.

Funny how the second is opposed to the first, while atheists generally don't seem to have a problem with widespread abortion.I know many Atheists who are against abortion except in rape.

I still believe the only way to win is to have an army of zealots who have their ire pointed at our enemy and who are willing to die for the cause.

Then they can be deprogrammed afterwards.

Doing it the other way around seems to assure our paltry numbers.

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If you want a place to see a good mix of Christianity and that is chalk full of white guilt and Jew love... see pccboard.com ( a product of one of the most vile of all Christian institutions ).

Even the Roman Catholics that exist there seem full of the love for all of man kind disease. There are some scholars that love to debate there, but you will likely not get far talking about anything race.

As for the posted blog: Typical Christian line of reasoning which means no real reasoning since everything they do is based on " I believe. "

That alone tells you they have no basis in fact and even if they did, can't prove it. All religion is always nothing more than man wanting to be in an exclusive club and nothing more.

It appeals to those who need to belong and those who need to rule over others and blame it on someone else. I have never met a single Christian I could trust in a business deal or to do right in even the very basics of life though they do go on about it all the time.

At one time I tried it, thought I felt the call, and really really wanted to be one of them, but I could not take the continual rationalization for lying and left. One of those as a seed which fell on stoney ground I guess. Ever notice they have all the bases covered when it comes to conversion also?

If you quit believing you were never one of us, if you don't believe you are not one of the elect and just do not get it, they are ordered to not have religious discussions with non believers since it's akin to tossing pearls before swine and my favorite....persecution for Christ sake is a sign of the faith. Which gives them their own self fulfilling prophecy.

When you enter into an online discussion with a Christian extremist a couple of things will almost always happen if you start hitting home with things they don't have an answer for....they will start calling names or they will put you on ignore ( and always make it public ) and usually in that order.

Catholicism will adopt any kind of politics, German national socialism incorporated some christian imagry, it's been said that more churches were built under the government of the 3rd reich than any other political admistration.

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[kinist makes some points 'alienist' chrissies don't want to hear]

A Tale of Two Cities

by Justin Cottrell
February 2, 2012

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Black Detroit versus White Seattle

The legions of politically correct Christians (alienists) lambast Kinists for daring to say that they would rather live among their own people. They scream “racist!” and “bigot!”, telling the world that Kinists are white supremacists, damned to hell for their racist sentiments. As a result, Kinists repeatedly explain their position, only to be misquoted by white alienists in their witch-hunt against their brethren. This constant battle drew Ehud Would to say, “It’d be safer to live in an atheistic white community for my family, than a black Christian community.” At this, alienists heap insult after insult, claiming we have no empirical data to back up such racist claims. They scoff, without ever attempting to falsify the statement.

As a result of their continuous rejection, I embarked on a short study on the differences between white communities and black. The research method was simple: find an average, mostly-white community with little Christian backing, and pit its crime statistics and overall community health against an equally sized black town with a higher percentage of Christians. With this goal, the sights were set on studying numerous communities across the country, carefully comparing data and verifying sources, in an attempt to get a feel on the differences between white and black communities.

The first stumbling block was sorting out the percentage of Christians in a given community. For instance, the Barna Research Group in a recent survey identified Shreveport, LA, as the most Christian city in America, with a whopping 98% Christian population.1 However, when consulting other research, based entirely upon congregation memberships and attendance, the number is vastly different.2 Barna’s staggering 98% falls drastically to 44.6% when a different and more accurate study is consulted.3 This number could be debated even further, as Barna recognized that 63% of Shreveport Christians claim to be liberal Democrats, which is in stark contrast to the tenets of Christianity. Therefore, for the purpose of this study, the more conservative figures based off of membership and attendances were utilized.

The second hitch was to try to find towns comparable not just in the size of their population, but in average income and poverty rate. It seemed that every black town I found claiming to be Christian had the majority of its citizens living at or below the poverty line, with a median family income drastically less than equally sized white towns. While crime has been proven time and again not to be based on environment, I did not want to give alienists a way to discredit the data. Therefore, I went to extraneous measures to find two towns which had a similar gross household income and a close poverty rate, but still had populations close in size. With that criterion, and after much digging, I finally found two that were a good comparison.

Before embarking on this journey, a few parameters need to be set. All demographic data was gathered from the latest U.S. Census estimates,4 which are careful to study trends in growth, income, and housing. Crime data was gathered from the annual uniformed crime report, compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and displayed on their website, unless otherwise noted.5 With this useful and easy-to-use tool, only crimes committed within the city limits were considered; if they fell across the border, they weren’t considered. Likewise, while it is understood that people worship outside their hometown often, only churches which fell within the city limits of the town were listed in the total number of churches. However, the number of churches in the town did not affect the estimated number of Christians in any given area.
The White Atheist Community

Hayden, ID, is a quaint tourist town, nestled away in the heavily forested panhandle of Idaho, just across the border from Spokane, WA. This serene old town, built by miners and loggers, has grown at a slow but steady rate in the last decade, with friendly people, low crime, and serene mountain surroundings drawing new people to the area. Founded by white settlers, this town is still 94.1% white and has a population of around 13,190 people. During the summer tourist months, this number swells to over 20,000, with holiday weekends expanding to over 30,000 people, as snow-birders spend time in their summer lake cabins and R.V. parks fill to capacity.

Despite busy summer months, and despite the large number of travelers passing through on their way to Canada, the town still has one of the lowest crime rates in the Northwest and in the country. Shocking to most people new to the area, they do not even have a police department, but instead have a sheriff’s deputy who patrols the area as needed. In fact, it is not uncommon to see a citizen patrol car reporting suspicious activity to the sheriff, as that occurs even more frequently than a sheriff’s deputy report in this sleepy little town.

Also, contrary to popular sentiments that peaceful white areas are full of sexual predators, Hayden breaks this faux stereotype. There are twenty-nine registered sex offenders in the city limits, with fifteen of those having committed their crimes in another state.6 This low number equates to a little more than two tenths of one percent (0.2%) of the population being registered sex offenders. While the number may seem high to some, it’s still three hundredths of a percent below the national average (.23%).7

A large part of the growth in Hayden consists of retirees, who have made the mass exodus from the crime-stricken areas of California, Phoenix, and even large east coast cities. As can be expected, many of these new residents are non-Christian, with a large portion holding to atheism, agnosticism, or monotheistic Hinduism (hippies). Therefore, it is no wonder there are only eleven Protestant churches within the city limits. Coupled with this low number of churches is the fact that only 12.9% of the population claims to be Christian. In this fertile missionary ground, there are numerous hard-working whites who have never read any portion of the Bible and would not know one of its stories if it bit them.

Hayden is a perfect example of what an average small atheist town looks like. Yet, even though they are pagan, people still wave to each other, engage in small chat about local politics or happenings, and lend a hand to help their townsfolk. Volunteer programs, which are quite numerous, are always chocked full of happy volunteers, ready to give back to their community. It is a great place to raise a family, as well as fertile ground for Kinist-styled evangelism.

The Black Christian Community

On the other side of the country, deep in the Bible Belt, lies the small town of Riverdale, GA. What now is a bustling urban spread was once a railroad stop during the Reconstruction era, well known as a timber producer, selling yellow pine far and wide. As the forest gave way to fields, cotton and fruit orchards dominated, before eventually giving way to urbanites were employed in nearby Atlanta. While the farms are gone, this has not stopped the city from experiencing a 4% annual growth for the last decade. Currently sitting at a population of 15,326, with 74.7% of the population black and rising, the white population has crept down from 23% to 12.3% in the last decade.

Unlike its peaceful white contemporary, the streets of Riverdale are plagued by numerous gangs and miscreants who prey on the weaker citizens for thrills and an easy buck. To counter the crime, the local police force has 44 patrolling officers, with another 15 working on the administrative side, managing their hectic workload. Despite the large department, they still cannot keep up with the large volume of crimes committed in the area and rely heavily on the Clayton County Sheriff’s department, with its additional 260 patrolmen, in times of crisis — and crises almost seem to be a weekly occurrence. Despite this strong show of force, crime is still 179 times higher in Riverdale than Hayden, and the violent crime index is double the national average.

An example of the high crime trend in Riverdale is seen in the crimes committed over the last decade. There have been 16 homicides, 61 reported rapes, 552 armed robberies, and 638 aggravated assaults in the violent crime category. For property crimes, there have been 7,990 reports of theft, 2,268 burglary reports, and 1,422 vehicles stolen in the same time frame.8 This does not count the number of drug arrests, which number in the thousands per year for Riverdale.

Despite having just 2,000 more citizens (15% more) than Hayden, Riverdale has just over three times as many sex offenders, with more than three quarters of them having committed their crime(s) in the Riverdale area.9 Considering the total number of offenders, over two thirds are black. Their percentage of registered sex offenders in comparison to the population, sitting at almost six tenths of one percent (0.59%), is over twice as high as the national average.

After learning of a town of this size with such a high crime rate, one would expect there to be a very small Christian contingency, or possibly none at all. But the truth is that there are 53 Christian churches in the city limits, with dozens in neighboring communities. Polls indicate that 26.51% of residents are committed members of their church, with many more who attend sporadically. Despite their presence, welfare is more widely used, the neighborhoods are dirtier, and citizens are accustomed to living in fear they might be the next victim.

As sad as this story is, it is a fairly typical example of black community. The older people are pretty committed to their church and live a quiet life, but the younger generations are hell-bent on living a life of crime, trying to make an easy buck at the expense of others.

Comparing the Data

Before moving on, it is pertinent to discuss the deciding qualifier which makes these cities a fair comparison. Both Hayden and Riverdale have a similar median family income, with Riverdale’s being slightly higher at $42,323.10and Hayden at $40,87511 Likewise, they both are close in the number of people living below the poverty level, with Riverdale at 10.6% and Hayden at 9.2%. These numbers illustrate that despite the high crime in Riverdale, its families have a slightly higher income than the residents of Hayden, and therefore poverty is not a valid excuse for the high crime rate. Additionally, the cost of living in Hayden is higher, with the average home price around $198,498,12 while Riverdale’s average home price is $115,381.13 Thus, not only do Hayden citizens earn less, but they have to stretch their earnings thinner to afford the higher living cost. Yet Haydenites are not inclined to loot and steal to help pay their bills: they are content with working hard and taking care of what they have.

Below are statistics for the city of Hayden pitted against the city of Riverdale. To the right of each row of Riverdale’s data is a percentage of the difference between the two cities’ data for the corresponding data in each column. Note that the crime data analyzed for each town was taken from the same source and only represents the period of May 28, 2011 to November 28, 2011. Due to the fact that Hayden has no police force, all crime data for the town is added to Kootenai County crime statistics in the Uniformed Crime Reports, which represent a greater number than the crimes committed within the city limits of Hayden. An interesting aside is that the crime in Riverdale is higher than unincorporated Kootenai County in any given year.

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From this data, two glaring conclusions can be made, both of which disrupt the egalitarian paradigm of alienists. First, while Christian citizens still represent a minority of Riverdale’s population, there are still 205% more Christians in Riverdale than in Hayden. Despite this vast difference, crime just for 2011 is already 179 times higher (17,900% higher) in Riverdale! This can only equate to one conclusion: the religion practiced in Riverdale bears little resemblance to biblical Christianity, and therefore it has little to no impact as a positive influence. Instead of slowing a dangerous trend, it is enabling criminals to commit more crimes.

The second and more obvious difference is a racial distinction. On one side of the spectrum lies Hayden, with a majority-white population, while in the opposite direction lies Riverdale with a majority-black population. Not only does this validate the statistic that blacks are more prone to commit both violent and property crimes, but it illustrates that the “Christian” black community is a much more dangerous place to live, especially for white people. Statistically, whites are much more likely to be the victims of violent crime at the hands of a black perpetrator than vice versa. This trend holds true in Riverdale, where the majority of crime is committed by blacks, with the minority white population as a prime target.

Another point, which has already been made but stands out with this data, is the argument that crime does not stem from poverty. This idea was popularized first by W.E.B. Dubois, in which he borrowed the nurture-over-nature idea from his Jewish friend, Franz Boas. Dubois argued that a black in an impoverished poor environment would lead a life of crime, ultimately dying young or spending life in prison; but if put into a developed financially stable environment, he would thrive. Just a study of these two towns throws this Boasian idea on its presumptuous head, showing that environment does not shape an individual, but instead their upbringing molds them into the person they will become. Therefore it should properly be asserted that Riverdale’s high crime is a product of failed child rearing, among other factors, and not a product of a lack of finances.

Therefore, the comparison of these two towns eloquently proves the claim that a pagan white community is a safer place to raise a family than a Christian black community. However, some will detract, claiming this was an isolated example, or that the data was padded. The hecklers, however, will not embark on their own study; they will simply dismiss this one as the ramblings of a racist. Therefore, because of their unwillingness to research on their own, let us briefly consider cities over 100,000 in population.

Cities over 100,000

It is getting more difficult to find cities with populations over 100,000 that are majority white in the U.S., but they still can be found. In each of these cases, a random black city was selected, and then a white majority city of equal size was selected. There was no attempt to try to find the safest white city; instead, a list on Wikipedia of the nation’s largest cities in ascending order was consulted.14 After the black city was selected, the closest white city of the same size was selected, regardless of its crime rate. While the data presented is not as exhaustive as the previous example, the comparison between race and crime can be seen in each scenario.

Another thing to note when considering the white towns is that each has had a huge influx of Hispanics into their city limits over the past decade. With this influx has been a huge increase in violent Latino gang violence, which has skewed the recent data slightly. For instance, just a decade ago, Seattle, WA, and Portland, OR, were not much smaller than they are now, yet crime was roughly half of what it currently is. Each of these cities has added in excess of 15,000 Hispanic gang members in each community just in the last five years, which has caused crime to skyrocket. However, despite the elevated crime due to the Hispanic gangs, each city listed below with a majority-white population still has crime that is far less frequent and intense than their contemporary black cities.

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Centennial is a relatively new town, only ten years old, but it is a suburb of Denver, which is known as one of the most atheistic communities in America. As a result, churches do not dot the landscape of this bustling community as they do in Flint. While Flint is not overwhelmingly Christian, its Christian presence is estimated to be at least four times as large as Centennial, yet despite having more “Christians,” crime in Flint is 5.54 times higher. It should also be noted that Centennial property crime stats are slightly higher, since it is a more affluent city, bustling with private gated communities and large homes. It is therefore a favorite target for criminals that live within the Denver city limits.

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When pitting Seattle against Detroit, another fair comparison can be made. Both are not too far off in population, and have a metropolitan area roughly the same size. In addition to this, both have a large industrial presence, which is the backbone of each city. The major difference, however, is that one is overwhelmingly white while the other is mostly black. Corresponding with this is the fact that the whiter town is a safer place to live, with Detroit having a 483% increase in violent crime over Seattle. This high crime rate has turned the Motor City into an urban wasteland, with once-committed large businesses leaving for safer cities. Contrarily, Seattle’s not only are industries growing, but new businesses of all sizes are setting up shop every year.

In fact, the only statistic in which Seattle beats Detroit is larceny types of theft. PC whitewashers would be quick to quip that this is proof that Seattle is just as bad a place as Detroit, but in doing so they would fail to properly understand this stat. To begin, larceny theft is not a violent crime, but is a property crime in which someone’s property is stolen from a jobsite, residence, business, public place, vehicle, classroom, or person. In most instances, it is as simple as someone’s leaving something of value in a public place, and someone else’s keeping it instead of turning it over to authorities. Aside from this, when economic demographics are considered, it helps clear up the picture even more. Seattle has over two times the annual income per family that Detroit has, while Detroit has a poverty level almost six times greater than Seattle. This equates to Seattleites having more possessions to steal. Combine this with the fact that Seattleites are a bit more lax because of their low crime, and it is little wonder that thieves in Seattle score more often than in Detroit. Another thing to consider is the rising number of gangs in the Seattle area, which thrive on petty theft as a source of income. The last factor in this equation is the high influx of illegal aliens into Seattle, many of whom are in the construction trades. As a booming town, many of Seattle’s thefts come as a result of illegal aliens stealing tools and material from jobsites. Therefore, before making the false assumption that Seattle’s higher number of theft makes it as bad as Detroit, one must consider all the factors that determine this figure.

Another statistc to consider is the murder rate in Detroit. For 2010, it was higher than the states of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and North Dakota combined.15 Note that these six states have a majority white population and are considered by most Protestant denominations to be mostly non-Christian. By contrast, Detroit is a city which has 1,460 churches in the city limits and over half its citizens claiming Christianity, and it constantly ranks in the top three most dangerous cities in America; it was even recently declared the most dangerous city in 2011.16 In a city that covers only 138 square miles and labels itself a black “Christian” city, people stand a higher chance getting murdered than they do in an area comprising roughly one-fifth the land mass of the continental United States, inhabited largely by white pagans. Stats like this are hard to ignore by alienists, yet somehow it never registers in their politically correct minds.

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The last comparison into which we will dive is between Bend, OR, and Camden, NJ. As far as population goes, as well as the number of Christians, they are almost mirror images; yet their crime tells a more disturbing story. Camden has ranked in the top five most dangerous cities under 100,000 for the last decade,17 and currently has the highest crime rate of any city whose population ranges from 75,000 to 100,000.18 Pit this against Bend, which is one of the safer cities in America. Other factors besides geographical location and income must be considered, and a look at the demographics gives the answer. Bend, like other majority-white towns, is low in crime, while Camden, being mostly black and Hispanic, is typical of towns high in either minority as being crime-ridden. Now, remember: both towns have an almost identical Christian population, yet their crime figures are night and day in comparison. Therefore, the only determining factor in the large difference in crime between the two towns is in racial demographics.

Other comparisons could be made between Portland, OR, and Atlanta, GA, where violent crime is over two-and-a-half times higher in Atlanta than in Portland. Never mind that Atlanta, lying in the deep South, has nearly half of its citizens claiming to be Christian, while Portland is considered 7% or less Christian and has more new-age hippies amongst their ranks than Christians. Yet, when retirees consider a place to get away from the hassles of their town, they frequently choose Portland, the third safest big city in the U.S.,19 over Atlanta, which just ranked as the secondmost dangerous big city in the U.S.20

Comparisons could also be made of other large cities like Tulsa, OK, to New Orleans, LA, or of Spokane, WA, to Montgomery, AL, or of Des Moines, IA, to Shreveport, LA; the list is endless and has the same results every time. A white atheist city will always prove to be a safer place, with higher property values and a cleaner community, than the black Christian city. Despite this obvious fact, alienists are still quick to point a hateful finger and cry “racist “when a Kinist speaks this truth. These facts, however, speak for themselves, as does the truth that most alienists and PC liberals choose to live in shielded white communities, as far from crime-ridden black communities as possible. Yet they have the gall to criticize Kinists for pointing out what they actively practice.
A Simple Solution

Regardless of the facts, alienists and their politically correct liberal friends will continue to assert absurd propositions about how cities high in black populations can be made better by enacting legislation to bring about change. They will rally behind every tax increase that will funnel more money into the crime-ridden projects, earmarked for property improvements and community development. Increasing food stamp and housing allowances is another cause they will support, thinking that throwing money at a problem will make it better. Yet, while these and dozens of other solutions that strain tax-payers have proven ineffective, they will continue dreaming up man-made quick fixes that fail miserably to deter crime, slow drug use, lower teen pregnancy, or decrease poverty in any black city. These problematic solutions must stop before they continue the trend of worsening the problem.

The only real solution is to properly evangelize black communities with the Reformed and Protestant faith, teaching black believers how to synthesize what they read in the Bible and apply it to how they live their lives. In doing this, leaders amongst their people should be trained to understand the systematic approach to theology and eventually begin teaching their own people how to properly train their children, urging them to avoid the sins rampant in their race. If this practice were started and supported for the course of a generation, we would notice a change. We would see a noticeable rise in black men who desire to hold a job and raise a family. Young black girls would long to preserve their innocence, saving themselves for their future husbands. Black boys would have no desire to live the gang life, but rather would seek to educate themselves for the betterment of their race. This would be the start of a biblically based Kinist black community, which would be the greatest achievement ever in black history.

For white communities, we must undertake the same approach, teaching our youngsters the faith of their fathers, sans the Talmudic garbage that has been allowed to take root in many churches. Once we accomplish this, getting them to stop throwing money at failing social programs and puppet states would be an easy step. They would shed the white cloak of guilt they have donned and begin rebuilding their depleted numbers, not ashamed of the accomplishments God has allowed their race to achieve. We would stand up as a people to foreign invaders, we would evict the usurers from our society, and we would again have a goal for the future of our race. It is going to be a tough road, but the rewards for our race outweigh the many snares and pitfalls that stand in our way. May God grant us wisdom for this arduous road, as we rise up and fight for our existence.


Footnotes
http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/435-diversity-of-faith-in-various-us-cities ↩
http://www.city-data.com/city/Shreveport-Louisiana.html ↩
Shreveport has a population of 199,242, of which 56.39% claim to adhere to a religion. Of this number, 79.1% are members of a Protestant church and attend regularly. The math is as follows: 56.39% of the population is 112,352 people, and 79.1% of that is 88,870 people, for a grand total of 44.6%. ↩
www.uscensus.gov ↩
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr ↩
http://www.isp.idaho.gov/sor_id/SOR ↩
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/sex-offender-map.pdf ↩
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Riverdale-Georgia.html ↩
http://services.georgia.gov/gbi/gbisor/ControllerServlet?cmmd=search&searchType=all&fname=&lname=&streetname=&city=riverdale&zip=&county=&gender=A&incarc=A&x=0&y=0 ↩
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverdale,_Georgia ↩
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayden,_Id ↩
http://www.city-data.com/city/Hayden-Idaho.html ↩
http://www.city-data.com/city/Riverdale-Georgia.html ↩
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population ↩
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl05.xls ↩
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/most-dangerous-cities-in-america_n_996639.html ↩
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20091124&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=911240338&Ref=AR ↩
http://yubanet.com/usa/Camden-N-J-Has-the-Highest-Crime-Rate-Ranking-in-Annual-Publication.php#.Tut7zfJ_nrw ↩
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon ↩
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/02/16/the-11-most-dangerous-cities ↩

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About Justin Cottrell

Coming from a background as a firefighter and a business owner, Justin now works in the Pacific Northwest as a consultant and hopeful author. Between supporting a family and researching crime in America, he dabbles in the history of Occidental people and amateur scientific pursuit.

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Alienist is ok, but mongrelist is even better. Low-rent christians are intensely fearful of the human-monkey relation, and mongrelist digs at this fear.