Another thread got me thinking about the future of the movement, and I came up with something I called "Descendantism" (needs a better name), which requires you to cast in your genetic lot with a specific population group (i.e. you can only procreate with other members of the group).

Here are the main points:

1. Representatives: Members of the group elect representatives to vote on membership and expulsion.

2. Membership: If a person with no living non-member descendants (kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc...) petitions to be admitted into the group, he has to be voted in by ALL the representatives; if any object, then the person's bid for membership fails. The earliest age at which someone can petition to join is 18. The offspring of two members is automatically a member at birth.

3. Expulsion: a member is expelled from the group if and only if (1.) he is shown to be guilty of having a living non-member descendant; or (2.) the representatives vote unanimously to expel him from the group. Expelled members are not eligible for new membership.

4. Sub-Groups: A group can be partitioned into multiple subgroups of people committing to an even more selective genepool; this functions recursively, with only members of the group being eligible for membership in the sub-group.

5. Amendments: The charter can only be amended by unanimous consent of the representatives.

Note that by being apolitical, this sidesteps the notion of founding an actual political nation of whites as white nationalists envision. Members are not required to live in the same community, let alone the same nation.

Also it sidesteps the issue of religious differences and cultural differences; it simply defines a population seedbed. Subgroupings (see point #4) give folks the flexibility to refine these genepools as they see fit.

What you are describing is tribalism or the fancy term ethnicity, which gives birth to nationalism.
Nothing wrong with developing that concept amongst ourselves here on VNN, but outside the circle so to speak, refer to it as culture.

The US, Canada, Australia and the EU are empires, all artificial constructs, which are collapsing and will soon begin disintegrating back into the separate, independent, tribally based states European Whites have always lived in.

Eurepean history consists mainly of tribes becoming nations, becoming empires which then use religion or race to attempt to overcome the tribal differences, fail, then collapse as the taxbase is unable to cope with the freeloaders.

The empire's constituent states secede, revert back to tribal nations centred around cities or municipalities situated at river estuaries or deepwater harbours, and start all over again.

What is happening now is nothing new, it happens every couple centuries in Europe.
It's a well known process, and an unstoppable one.

In the US and EU, collapse of the tax base has already occurred, which has caused the global financial crisis.

This will in due course trigger a worldwide collapse of the remaining White empires which will be followed by a collapse of the non-White empires such as India, China, Indonesia, the Middle Eastern countries etc.

Thus focus upon secession.

Secession will initially begin/be brought about by religious groups, mainly Christians and Muslims.

This will then decentralise further into tribal groups, mainly split along denominational lines.

The word denomination has simply been substituted for the word tribe. The various religious denominations are in fact tribes.

Afterwards, the separate states will develop into separate countries and nations, become secular, nationalism will rise, empires will form and we start all over again.


It is tribalism in that generally members of a tribe procreate amongst themselves (until they conquer or are conquered by another tribe, which is where miscegenation begins).

But unlike tribes of the past, the focus here is exclusively on the genetic material of the members and how to best preserve or evolve this genepool.

Also, members do not need to share a common culture or language or nationality or history; it's a construct for eugenics/racial preservation, pure and simple.

that's very interesting, George. Simple and elegant. just a "seedbed" concept.

I will entertain this idea, while tossing out my 2 obvious problems.

1. It will be transparently racist and immediately identified as such, so, so why not be more explicit and "strong."

2. To get followers/adherents, you need a "strong" doctrine that, in some sense, promises heaven for its adherents and Hell for everyone else. Even non-theistic racialism promises heaven for those who stay White, and Hell for those who descend into miscegenation.

And if you think about it, the Heaven v. Hell of non-theistic racialists is more realistic than the Christian Heaven/Hell. Look at Nicole Brown Simpson - she's rotting in Miscegenist Hell. Heidi Klum is still alive, but the physical, visible signs of her damnation are barely covered up by the latest developments in cosmetic technology.

that's very interesting, George. Simple and elegant. just a "seedbed" concept.

I will entertain this idea, while tossing out my 2 obvious problems.

1. It will be transparently racist and immediately identified as such, so, so why not be more explicit and "strong."

2. To get followers/adherents, you need a "strong" doctrine that, in some sense, promises heaven for its adherents and Hell for everyone else. Even non-theistic racialism promises heaven for those who stay White, and Hell for those who descend into miscegenation.

And if you think about it, the Heaven v. Hell of non-theistic racialists is more realistic than the Christian Heaven/Hell. Look at Nicole Brown Simpson - she's rotting in Miscegenist Hell. Heidi Klum is still alive, but the physical, visible signs of her damnation are barely covered up by the latest developments in cosmetic technology.

Thanks for the response Kievsky. You have one of the most open and flexible minds here on VNN.

One way to make it stronger/more transcendent is to add the doctrine that some day the "Whitist" population (as defined by a particular group) should and will conquer all other peoples.

Still, the group is ultimately defined and grown by the members themselves, so they are truly the essence of the group - they tailor the doctrine as they see fit.

In fact, there may be two or more competing Whitist groups with very different ideas about what it means to be "white." Also, people of other races who feel strongly about preserving their race as they see it might also adopt a similar model. Or people who want to engage in aracial eugenics might also adopt it. Some group might form like the Bene Gesserit of Dune.

I see this as the future because it doesn't depend on SHTF to create a Whitopia, but is something concrete that people who are very concerned about their race staying alive can do.

It doesn't require moving to the northwest (or wherever); in this age of online communities, it doesn't make sense to require an actual physical community.

So the way it would work would be Alex would found a group with trusted compatriots (like you and varg and brutus and Hal Turncoat).

Then if you wanted to add someone to the group, you would need the unanimous consent of the others; or likewise to expel someone, the consent of all the others (besides the expellee).

Your hope is to gradually expand the list of members so as to be able to reconstitute the White race.

Obviously, as soon as there are hundreds, or even dozens, of members, you can't expect to be able to research all of them, so you elect people whose job it is is to decide who is in and who is out.

The structure you are describing can be achieved totally under the radar, by forming a church.
No funny names, no weird looking symbols.
Give it some Christian name, look normal, dress normal, scatter some bibles around, and get to work.

It's not just what is done, but how, that matters.
Say you are focusing upon Whites, and you will be prosecuted, attacked, fined, maybe imprisoned.

Focus on Whites anyway, but say you are focusing upon your congregation, and you will get tax deductions, be able to buy and sell property and equipment, run as many programmes as you like, and get praised for it.

Put some photos of Martin Luther King, the latest Jewish invasion leader of Canaan, and the Kenyan Luo tribesman up, donate some shekels to local animal rights groups and dem po black chilluns every couple months, and you'll be left alone to do what you please.

If any orcs come sniffing around asking for money, immediately ask them to donate money and time to some physical labour project, and they will disappear like mist before the morning sun.

If any Jews come sniffing around, immediately ask them for a donation, ask if they've found Jesus and give them some crosses and bibles to take with, and try not to collapse in hysterical laughter at their reactions as they waddle desperately out.

Do all that is legally required, comply with all paperwork, requirements etc, stay within the law at all times, and remember the golden rule in our line of work, stay out of sight and out of mind of our opponents.

The structure you are describing can be achieved totally under the radar, by forming a church.
No funny names, no weird looking symbols.
Give it some Christian name, look normal, dress normal, scatter some bibles around, and get to work.

It's not just what is done, but how, that matters.
Say you are focusing upon Whites, and you will be prosecuted, attacked, fined, maybe imprisoned.

Focus on Whites anyway, but say you are focusing upon your congregation, and you will get tax deductions, be able to buy and sell property and equipment, run as many programmes as you like, and get praised for it.

Put some photos of Martin Luther King, the latest Jewish invasion leader of Canaan, and the Kenyan Luo tribesman up, donate some shekels to local animal rights groups and dem po black chilluns every couple months, and you'll be left alone to do what you please.

If any orcs come sniffing around asking for money, immediately ask them to donate money and time to some physical labour project, and they will disappear like mist before the morning sun.

If any Jews come sniffing around, immediately ask them for a donation, ask if they've found Jesus and give them some crosses and bibles to take with, and try not to collapse in hysterical laughter at their reactions as they waddle desperately out.

Do all that is legally required, comply with all paperwork, requirements etc, stay within the law at all times, and remember the golden rule in our line of work, stay out of sight and out of mind of our opponents.

That's an excellent plan. Sounds like you have reinvented TAQQIYAH:

Taqiyya, or not showing their faith openly by means of pretense, dissimulation, or concealment, is a special type of LYING which is taught and used by Shi'a Muslims, cf. Sunni Muslims and Taqiyya. "Taqiyya" (or taqiyyah) is related to the terms "taqwa'" and "taqi'" - all have the root meaning of "guarding" something, in this case, the Islamic faith.

This practice, along with the practice of Kithman, or concealing their faith from non-Shi'as, were, and are many places today, a method of self-preservation for the Shi'a community. Historically, the Shiites have been in the minority and have been persecuted by Sunni Muslims who considered them heretics. Shi'as are often persecuted today in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Sunni-Shi'a violence is fairly common. Sunnis would often attempt to force Shi'as to curse the House of Ali - believing that no devout Shiite could commit such an act. As a result of this persecution, the idea of taqiyya emerged. In other words, if a Shi'a Muslim's life is in danger, he may lie as long as he holds true to Ali in his heart.

The structure you are describing can be achieved totally under the radar, by forming a church.
No funny names, no weird looking symbols.
Give it some Christian name, look normal, dress normal, scatter some bibles around, and get to work.

It's not just what is done, but how, that matters.
Say you are focusing upon Whites, and you will be prosecuted, attacked, fined, maybe imprisoned.

Focus on Whites anyway, but say you are focusing upon your congregation, and you will get tax deductions, be able to buy and sell property and equipment, run as many programmes as you like, and get praised for it.

Put some photos of Martin Luther King, the latest Jewish invasion leader of Canaan, and the Kenyan Luo tribesman up, donate some shekels to local animal rights groups and dem po black chilluns every couple months, and you'll be left alone to do what you please.

If any orcs come sniffing around asking for money, immediately ask them to donate money and time to some physical labour project, and they will disappear like mist before the morning sun.

If any Jews come sniffing around, immediately ask them for a donation, ask if they've found Jesus and give them some crosses and bibles to take with, and try not to collapse in hysterical laughter at their reactions as they waddle desperately out.

Do all that is legally required, comply with all paperwork, requirements etc, stay within the law at all times, and remember the golden rule in our line of work, stay out of sight and out of mind of our opponents.

At the heart of all this is creating and maintaining a database of names and pedigree charts of all white racists (whites who wish their ancestral lineage to stay white).

Then all we have to do is get ahold of that database and bang, eradicate the white supremacy movement once and for all.

/* please ignore the last sentence in previous post, I was just joking. but now I'm serious */


So to recap:

The idea is to create a white breeder organization - a “super-society” if you will - as a necessary preliminary step before launching into creating an actual white nation or ethnostate.

The organization would explicitly define who is “white” and who isn’t. The members of the group, call them “Whitists”, elect representatives to make this determination (i.e. who gets admitted into the group and who gets expelled from the group).

The two basic rules are as follows:
1. Admission: Only persons with no descendants may petition to be admitted into the group. The earliest age at which someone can petition to join is 18. The offspring of two members is automatically a member at birth.

2. Expulsion: A member is expelled from the group if he is shown to be guilty of having a descendant who is not a member of the group.

What this means is that members must limit their procreation activities to other members of the group. In this sense the group defines a race, the “White Race.” And to ensure Whitists are singularly loyal to the White Race, they cannot have any non-Whitist descendants.

The White Race should ultimately encompass all white people who feel it is important that their descendants stay white.

The beauty of this plan is that it doesn’t depend upon creating a white ethnostate right off the bat, with all the attendant difficulties. At some later time, perhaps, the White Race can establish states, or take over the world, or whatever.

Note that I hope the nations of Europe ultimately will become strict ethnostates, so this mainly applies to non-Europeans.

OK maybe we should think of this as an elite group of breeders; healthy, intelligent, driven folk who pledge themselves to the eugenic cause, to create a super-race that will eventually take over the world.

this is our ethos: ONLY THE STRONG SHALL SURVIVE. THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

NO DUMMIES ALLOWED!!!!

Real National Socialists have been rebuilding the Aryan race for years, George.

Real National Socialists have been rebuilding the Aryan race for years, George.

Well, I doubt it. And even if there has been an informal eugenics program going on clandestinely amongst "Real National Socialists", it's time to build on that and create a formal organization to focus and promote the eugenic cause for all whites.

this is our ethos: HEALTHY BREEDERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR GENES!!!

You know, there's one country in Europe that you never hear anything about. Switzerland.

From what I hear from my National Socialist Dutch friend that visits there with his antisemitic parents that left after nigger Obama won, it's White. Very White. Seemingly a no-go zone for Jews. I bet you anything there are pockets there, in Austria, in Argentina, and who knows what's going on in Russia, where eugenics are commonly practiced. It's just that things are so fucking awful here in and England that we can't fathom it, but it has to be going on. People aren't stupid. Without the hand of the Jew covering your eyes and feeding you niggershit, it's easy to see what's going on elsewhere in the world.

I like to think that somewhere in the world a super-race of Aryans is being created, even genetically modified so that they can't breed with non-whites. I know this is science fiction, but when I dream of a perfect group of people, not only are they godlike in their appearance, but they are incorruptible, unable to even show the slightest sign of attraction or affinity for non-whites. I mean, once you wake up, even looking at non-whites is offensive and all attraction for them ceases, like they are nothing but curiosities.

I decided to call this effort white racialism:
white racialism means committing one's self to preserving the white genepool. it is a politcal/religious belief in the importance of preserving the white race.

it is a tribal religion; it requires both a belief in the existence of the white "race" AND in the importance of helping preserve the white race for all time.

it is a hereditary religion; unless you are born into it, you must convince those who are already white racialists (1) that you are white; and (2) that you are committed to preserving the white race.

you are either a white racialist or you aren't; there is no middle ground, and all members are listed in a database along with their genetic records.

white racialism does not require any additional beliefs other than the two articles of faith mentioned above (belief in existence of white race; and belief in importance of saving it); nor does it prohibit any beliefs unless they are in direct conflict with the aforementioned required beliefs.

as part of your commitment to preserving the white race, you will naturally seek to limit your breeding activities to other white racialists; in general, having non-white kids, or marrying a non-racialist will demonstrate a rejection of your commitment to the white race and be grounds for expulsion.


note: white racialism is for non-european whites only. it is based on my observations of the core beliefs that have been expressed by mainly american/canadian/australian whites on this forum and similar white nationalist forums.

white racialism is a necessary pre-condition for white nationalism. the reason white nationalism has failed is because in addition to white racialism, it envisions an actual geopolitical extra-european nation of whites, with all the attendant difficulties and ambiguities and controversies of opening this pandora's box.

I think you're heading in the right direction, George. That is, if one of these EMR (eat, meet and retreat, as Metzger summed them) were concerned with the things you're discussing, it would be something worth paying attention to rather than just another whinefest.

White could be defined - genetically, but perhaps even more importantly, in terms of the character ideal we'd like to see. WN admire some of the things christians do, but in other ways we are opposed to their ideal.

What needs to be done is essentially

- define "White" - genetics + character type
- define "Living White" - what does it mean?

If you have something formal to teach people how to LW, then they can begin to reproduce our culture in their young. More formally or rigorously than they are now. We have the basic idea, but we could have even more than that.

Imagine a comprehensive guide, essentially "How to Be White." Filled with best practices - as manufacturers study. What is the best way to eat? to learn to read? to protect your health? to play baseball? to fish? to learn car repair?

Create a group with a symbol. Not a religious group, but more like a marketing council. Then you take the best bits and pieces wherever you find them, and cobble them into one solution, a solution that takes someone from birth to death. Then you have something that people can use, no matter who is in power or what they like or forbid. This is the best we can do short of taking power and eliminating the bad influences.

The WN we see now are functional conservatives, because they're trying to make an system work for whites, even though the system was specifically designed to hobble and oppress whites, ever since the jews took full power last century. They're wasting their time demanding fairness and equal treatment from enemies whose entire "thing" is that they aint us, they hate us, they want only to feed off us. Ridiculous waste of time.

It is absurd that decades after the onslaught of the kikes, there is no formal opposition to them, or at least to the crap they push on our kids through public school. This is the logical place to begin, with professionally prepared lesson units refuting the jews' lies and establishing the White truth and pushing the White agenda. Separate from the controlled culture while fighting the System than imposes it. Using all the freedom we have while fighting for more.

Push on "what's good for white children." How do "white children learn best." What's the "best environment for white children." Everything they use for niggers, replace nigger with White. This is a natural base for resistance to loxist jew dogmas - dogmas funded out of white pockets. "I'm not going to allow my tax money to be used to harm my own children by jewish liars out of NYC."

I think you're heading in the right direction, George. That is, if one of these EMR (eat, meet and retreat, as Metzger summed them) were concerned with the things you're discussing, it would be something worth paying attention to rather than just another whinefest.

White could be defined - genetically, but perhaps even more importantly, in terms of the character ideal we'd like to see. WN admire some of the things christians do, but in other ways we are opposed to their ideal.
What needs to be done is essentially

- define "White" - genetics + character type
- define "Living White" - what does it mean?

If you have something formal to teach people how to LW, then they can begin to reproduce our culture in their young. More formally or rigorously than they are now. We have the basic idea, but we could have even more than that.

yes, except my point is, apart from a desire to see the white race live on for eternity, we do not try to define what it means to be white. the greatest white minds have grappled with the issue of what it means to live "white" (although they of course didn't think of it in those terms) for over three thousand years. while I certainly encourage you to contribute your two cents, the idea of producing an authoritative guide to living white is laughable if you mean it to be taken any more seriously than the boy scout handbook.

my point is our task is to awaken and organize people under the banner of white survivalism; once we have a sufficient mass of people and intellectuals who are on board with us in terms of the sacred importance of preserving the white race, we can thrash out how best to do it.

don't try to out-plato plato. ensure that plato is on our side, then leave him be to grapple with the big questions. only if he ceases to take the survival of the white race as a given shall we brand him a heretic; that is our role as white watchdogs, the high priests of white racialism, but we must not over-reach. this tendency to over-reach is the biggest failing of the white movement.

yes, except my point is, apart from a desire to see the white race live on for eternity, we do not try to define what it means to be white. the greatest white minds have grappled with the issue of what it means to live "white" (although they of course didn't think of it in those terms) for over three thousand years. while I certainly encourage you to contribute your two cents, the idea of producing an authoritative guide to living white is laughable if you mean it to be taken any more seriously than the boy scout handbook.

I don't agree. If something were there, plenty of people would follow it. Great minds in fact have never debated what is "white." They've talked about what it means to be human - they've been obsessed over one-size-fits-all universalism, rather than dealing specifically with what it means to be white, which is my point. White only exists today as a negative - something to be attacked in whiteness studies, or blamed in popular culture. Nothing good is ever tied to whites. That's where something positive could work. You see endless articles about what's good for black children, but nothing, ever, written about what's good for white children. All this needs to be made explicit under a marketing label and symbol. That would be the natural way to do it. And it wouldn't be directly political, but it would for that reason be even more threatening to the mongrelist powers that be, and it would lead naturally into something overtly political.


my point is our task is to awaken and organize people under the banner of white survivalism; once we have a sufficient mass of people and intellectuals who are on board with us in terms of the sacred importance of preserving the white race, we can thrash out how best to do it.

don't try to out-plato plato. ensure that plato is on our side, then leave him be to grapple with the big questions. only if he ceases to take the survival of the white race as a given shall we brand him a heretic; that is our role as white watchdogs, the high priests of white racialism, but we must not over-reach. this tendency to over-reach is the biggest failing of the white movement.

You want the survival of the white race without defining what white is. That's how we got where we are now. Now is the perfect time to define white against the common culture, which is disseminated by jews for their own benefit. Everywhere the jews push into our people should be explicitly and doctrinally resisted. It can be religious or non religious, but will certainly include both genetics and cultural preferences. The openness you're talking about is satified by our not forcing people to adopt our views, even if they're of our race. Let them go mix, if they think that best. Our way has to be more attractive, true, or useful to attract better people to it. If one persuasive man, or one White Congress of leaders, said, "This is what White is, and this is how to live White" - that would be the best starting point. I'm not demanding a super-exclusive, super-tight genetic definition, but a reasonable drawing of lines. And then, yes, handbook level guide to how to live. That's what people don't have now. The reason so many people are christians is because they are virtually the only organization giving people answers. So the quality of their answers doesn't even matter because no one else is offering people any options. TELL people: this is how you live: this is how you run your money, conduct your pesonal relations, play your role in society culturally and via politics. It's the overt political stuff that is not the place to start, as we've seen. Overt White organization go nowhere because they are attacked by the powers that be through the media. So the place to start is with personal stuff, everyday stuff, and that means money and relations with others, and education.

My point is, there's an opportunity here. Liberals, christians and the trendy, for their various reasons, don't merely reject being white, they actively run from the label. That is our chance. We can eagerly seize it, declare and define what "White" means, and offer a way of living that is more attractive than what the dominant institutions have to offer.

I don't agree. If something were there, plenty of people would follow it. Great minds in fact have never debated what is "white." They've talked about what it means to be human - they've been obsessed over one-size-fits-all universalism, rather than dealing specifically with what it means to be white, which is my point. White only exists today as a negative - something to be attacked in whiteness studies, or blamed in popular culture. Nothing good is ever tied to whites. That's where something positive could work. You see endless articles about what's good for black children, but nothing, ever, written about what's good for white children. All this needs to be made explicit under a marketing label and symbol. That would be the natural way to do it. And it wouldn't be directly political, but it would for that reason be even more threatening to the mongrelist powers that be, and it would lead naturally into something overtly political.



You want the survival of the white race without defining what white is. That's how we got where we are now. Now is the perfect time to define white against the common culture, which is disseminated by jews for their own benefit. Everywhere the jews push into our people should be explicitly and doctrinally resisted. It can be religious or non religious, but will certainly include both genetics and cultural preferences. The openness you're talking about is satified by our not forcing people to adopt our views, even if they're of our race. Let them go mix, if they think that best. Our way has to be more attractive, true, or useful to attract better people to it. If one persuasive man, or one White Congress of leaders, said, "This is what White is, and this is how to live White" - that would be the best starting point. I'm not demanding a super-exclusive, super-tight genetic definition, but a reasonable drawing of lines. And then, yes, handbook level guide to how to live. That's what people don't have now. The reason so many people are christians is because they are virtually the only organization giving people answers. So the quality of their answers doesn't even matter because no one else is offering people any options. TELL people: this is how you live: this is how you run your money, conduct your pesonal relations, play your role in society culturally and via politics. It's the overt political stuff that is not the place to start, as we've seen. Overt White organization go nowhere because they are attacked by the powers that be through the media. So the place to start is with personal stuff, everyday stuff, and that means money and relations with others, and education.

I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts. If you think you can create a new and improved creativity, go for it; personally I think it's a futile exercise.

Look, you don't need to join a cult to live white. All you need to do is pledge to breed with only white people, and instill the importance of maintining your genetic heritage in your kids, so when time comes for them to breed they will also breed white. This is religion enough.

I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts.

I'm not a Creativist (?), but if Creativity hasn't gone anywhere, you have to at least factor into your assessment that it was quite brutally suppressed by the establishment.

Not only was its main leader thrown in prison for life on trumped-up charges, but there were also legal difficulties in posting its holy books online.

And it wouldn't be directly political, but it would for that reason be even more threatening to the mongrelist powers that be...

Mongrelist -- did you just come up with that term? It's a good one.

The reason so many people are christians is because they are virtually the only organization giving people answers.

Material which pertains to this through posts 45 to 51 in this thread:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1108685

one thing I would agree is a good idea and can bind people together to create a sort of religion is to come up with an educational curriculum for homeschooling your kids on what it means to be white; teach them to respect their heritage, history, and geneology. and to do it in a way that is compelling.

but this is not so much a spiritual thing (although ancestor veneration is spiritual to many). I wouldn't want anyone to force symbols or watered down christianity or new wave odinism on me or my kids (if I had any). I have my own spirituality which is grounded in science and beauty and logic, which I would like to instill in them; it is a meditation on the words in my sig.

Mongrelist -- did you just come up with that term? It's a good one.

No. A guy named Founders America used to circulate an email, and I got it from him.

I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts. If you think you can create a new and improved creativity, go for it; personally I think it's a futile exercise.


You might be right. Certainly it is not easy to do. But it is my contention that the right person could do it, or the right approach could work. Why not creativity?

1) bad name. Sounds like a combination of Learning Connection or Sylvan center marketing and the sort of silly self-praise you find in singles profiles.

2) "white man's BIBLE" is me-tooism. It was 100% wrong decision to call it "white man's bible" unless you were NOT trying to make a religion out of it, and just make it a handbook.

3) making a RELIGION out of race is just wacky. Does the fact that I belong to a type that requires certain conditions to flourish require a religious skin? No. No more than a python's eggs have to be kept at 78.6 degrees to hatch. The entire PROBLEM with christianity and like insanity is that it invests our lives with things that aint there, and ignores things that are. The chance to live on our own is motive enough and attraction enough without marinating it in rotten lemons.


Look, you don't need to join a cult to live white.

I agree.


All you need to do is pledge to breed with only white people, and instill the importance of maintining your genetic heritage in your kids, so when time comes for them to breed they will also breed white. This is religion enough.


That's what whites are already doing now. The vast majority of white marriages are between whites. The vast majority of whites at the very least wants its race and background to be treated with respect by major institutions. The point is, why should we who created this country and everything good in the world be content with having our free-air normality be reduced, legally and socially, to something akin to nosepicking? Jews didn't build America, jews destroyed it.

That's what whites are already doing now. The vast majority of white marriages are between whites. The vast majority of whites at the very least wants its race and background to be treated with respect by major institutions. The point is, why should we who created this country and everything good in the world be content with having our free-air normality be reduced, legally and socially, to something akin to nosepicking? Jews didn't build America, jews destroyed it.

I think white cohesion would only be enhanced in an organization/religion that stressed loyalty to one another, and social ostracism of those who are expelled or otherwise leave the fold. If you grow up in such an environemnt where all your close friends and family are members, you will try real hard not to fuck up.

It would be a stronger glue than christianity, since above all it would stress loyalty to one another (and the propogation of the collective genepool - Kevin MacDonald talks a lot about this kind of group-evolutionary strategy); your co-racialists would truly be like your extended family (genetically speaking).

But the more baggage you add to it, the less popular it will be. People from all religions should be welcome. You say Christians will be more loyal to christian doctrine than the doctrine of racism, but those who find racism and christianity to be incompatible would not want to be racialists in the first place.

anyway, I'll think more about this later.

You might be right. Certainly it is not easy to do. But it is my contention that the right person could do it, or the right approach could work. Why not creativity?

1) bad name. Sounds like a combination of Learning Connection or Sylvan center marketing and the sort of silly self-praise you find in singles profiles.

2) "white man's BIBLE" is me-tooism. It was 100% wrong decision to call it "white man's bible" unless you were NOT trying to make a religion out of it, and just make it a handbook.

3) making a RELIGION out of race is just wacky. Does the fact that I belong to a type that requires certain conditions to flourish require a religious skin? No. No more than a python's eggs have to be kept at 78.6 degrees to hatch. The entire PROBLEM with christianity and like insanity is that it invests our lives with things that aint there, and ignores things that are. The chance to live on our own is motive enough and attraction enough without marinating it in rotten lemons.


Linder,

you are totally wrong about Creativity in the sense that you compare it to the religious organization christianity represents and the teachings it espauses. Creativity wants the White Man to be a logical, rational, reasonable human standing on both feet with his head held high and his back straight with pride in his heart. Not another slave to a fucking cult but a free thinking Man who will at the same time see jews and other non-white vermin as the enemies they represent to the White Race. It's fine for White's to live White as per their natural instincts, however White's have flaws and one of them are identifying their racial enemies.

Creativity brings it all together. It identifies what is a White Man. It is a guide on how to be White, and it points out the jew as the enemy who should be destroyed once and for all.

You're views are very much in line with Creativity, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. Why is that, may I ask ?

On the other hand I am under the impression that you haven't read Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible. If you have my mistake.

But in any case, I invite you to the Creativity Alliance website to download and read the two Holy Books of Creativity Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible at http://www.creativityalliance.com/

and join the forum and discuss Creativity with us if you have any questions at http://www.creativityalliance.com/

You're views are very much in line with Creativity, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. Why is that, may I ask ?

There may be positions we share, but they aren't unique to and don't belong to Creativity.

Like I've said, Creativity made a fatal blunder in calling its book a "bible."


On the other hand I am under the impression that you haven't read Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible. If you have my mistake.


I've read enough to make a judgment. Its arguments come from a thousand others, nothing original there. What is original in Creativity is unattractive - its symbols, books and general packaging. Creativity comes off as second-rate or crank christianity, which is why it has never attracted any significant following. Deeper than that, I simply don't believe that making a religion out of race is the right way to go.

What we need is a political movement, not a race religion. The only overlap is that the movement must be prepared to kill (and die), not just pass out brochures and vote. We need the mentality and behavior of crusaders, but political rather than religious crusaders.

Sounds like a mirror image of christian science. Christian science is religion claiming to be science- creativity is science claiming to be religion.

Why not take the best of each?

Sounds like a mirror image of christian science. Christian science is religion claiming to be science- creativity is science claiming to be religion.

Why not take the best of each?

They're nothing alike, and there is nothing good in Christian Science. Although it is certainly a good idea to avoid medicine as much as you possibly can, unless there is an unavoidable need for it.

Jesus H. Christ that was sarcasm.