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heaven above
October 5th, 2004, 04:49 PM
From:-

JOHN TYNDALL
PO Box 2471
Hove
East Sussex BN3 4DT

NOW THEY’RE TELLING US!

There has recently appeared a report on the official BNP website (<bnp.org.uk>) which for sheer chutzpah must surely win the number-one prize of the year. The report is headed ‘BNP success in Hartlepool’. No, the party did not contest the recent by-election in Hartlepool – in my opinion a correct decision – but the result is being claimed a success for the party because of the damage it did to the Tories. But now read on. Referring to the heading, the website statement says (with no editing here for punctuation):-

"An eye-catching headline especially as the BNP did not contest the Hartlepool by-election, but in every way it was a victory for Britain’s fastest growing patriotic party and the disastrous fourth-place showing of the Tories in Hartlepool represents another small but valuable success for the leadership of the British National Party."

How so? The report goes on to say that a number of people in the BNP wanted to fight the Hartlepool seat but...

"The matter was debated between key members of the leadership, both nationally and locally, before party chairman Nick Griffin and National Elections Officer Eddy Butler decided that the BNP would not fight Hartlepool.
"The key reasoning was that the good showing of UKIP in the area back in June meant that, in a by-election especially, their money and favoured media status would make them the favoured party of patriotic voters, thereby squeezing the BNP vote however much work our local activists put in on the ground. More important still, the BNP would still secure a solid vote, which it was felt would come far more at the expense of UKIP than from the Tories. The likely result of our standing, therefore, would be to save Michael Howard from the shocking blow of having the Tory come forth, behind UKIP.
"As a major article on our electoral strategy by Mr. Griffin, starting in October’s magazine, makes clear, the BNP regards the Conservative Party as the biggest single obstacle by far, in the way of building a power-winning nationalist alternative in Britain. Anything which damages the Tories – including the short-term advance of UKIP – is therefore a good thing for the country and for the BNP. It was also believed that the UKIP's internal wranglings would stop them putting up the high-profile candidate who could quite conceivably win the seat – Kilroy-Silk – so it would be better to leave them to fail to win the seat on their own account rather than try to get in their way.
"The end result showed how the BNP tactic worked like a dream. A dismal night for Labour, a good one for the LibDems – who we want to see overtake the Tories at the General Election, a disappointing night for UKIP (who only narrowly missed beating Labour in the same seat back in June and whose vote slumped, leading to further internal unrest about the Farage/Titford block on Kilroy-Silk) and a truly shocking night for Michael Howard's dead men walking. Oh, and less than 1% of the vote for the English Democrats and National Front combined – time for them to leave elections to the ones with the ability to fight.
"We, meanwhile, saved ourselves a couple of thousand pounds and were able to concentrate our most experienced election fighters where their efforts really made a difference – in Keighley and Dagenham.
"Result? Two more BNP councillors.
"At last the British National Party – after all these years, a patriotic party with brains!"

After reading the above, particularly the final sentence, it is difficult to resist reaching for the sick bowl. I will leave aside here the question of whether the BNP should do everything possible to damage the Tories, even when it involves helping UKIP; that belongs to another argument best put over for another time. Let us just focus on the claim that the BNP "after all these years" showed "brains" by declining to contest Hartlepool under a handicap in relation to UKIP, and instead concentrated its efforts on two winnable local government elections. Was it not my contention, and that of allies of mine in the party and outside, that the BNP leadership made a huge mistake "going for broke" in the Euro Elections this June, at enormous expense, when it should have been quite clear then that UKIP – as this posting says, with its "money and favoured media status" – would compete with us on terms which would give it a big advantage, and that our party would have been much better advised to have concentrated its resources on fighting many winnable seats in local government? I refer the reader to my election summary headed ‘Wrong priorities – wrong results’ in the July 2004 issue of Spearhead and Peter Rushmore’s article ‘Election meltdown – where next?’ in the Autumn issue of Heritage & Destiny magazine. In these two articles we condemned the BNP leadership for failing to do in the June elections precisely what it is now congratulating itself on doing in respect of the Hartlepool by-election: avoiding elections in which it was likely to get beaten so as to put its efforts into elections it could win – and in the process saving a lot of money.

The website statement says smugly that "We, meanwhile, saved ourselves a couple of thousand pounds, and were able to concentrate our most experienced fighters where their efforts really made a
difference -- in Keighley and in Dagenham." For Keighley and Dagenham we might read, in the context of the June elections, several other London local government seats, plus a GLA seat, plus seats in Stoke, the West Midlands, Oldham, Burnley, Blackburn, Rochdale, Calderdale and countless other places around the country – and for a couple of thousand pounds saved in Hartlepool we might read a couple of hundred thousand pounds that could have been saved in the Euro Elections across the UK but were poured down the drain trying to compete with UKIP – something that at last Mr. Griffin and his colleagues seem to have grasped is not a sensible policy but did not appreciate being told so three months ago!

But how is this belated awakening described? Why, it was a "valuable success for the leadership of the British National Party!"

As with the issue of the constitutional change to let in non-white members, what we advise them to do today they adopt as policy tomorrow – while meanwhile giving us no thanks!

JOHN TYNDALL
5th October 2004

White Dragon
October 5th, 2004, 08:19 PM
As per usual John has his finger on the pulse! How the BNP can continue to feed this bullshit to its members without them seeing through is beyond logical reason. And more and more are seeing through the transparency of the current leadership. The Griffinites are digging this huge hole for themselves. They will fall in, and they will not be able to climb out.

I agree good summary by JT. What are the Griffinite toady's crying about saving money for, they are going to lose another 6,000 quid plus when they lose the case to have JT suspended and chucked out the party again. These people Lebomber, Nicky Boy & co need to "get with the programme here".

STORMSOLDAAT
October 6th, 2004, 03:07 AM
How the BNP can continue to feed this bullshit to its members without them seeing through is beyond logical reason. And more and more are seeing through the transparency of the current leadership.

I think the problem is many of the newbie BNP members have only been allowed to hear lies about JT. Griffin is very underhanded in his ways as we all know and has stiched up many WNs who have refused to join the "modernization" program.

Little by little, many of more observant newbie BNPers are seeing through Griffin as they find out more information about his "Gadaffi-Green book" past amoung other "skeletons in his closet" and start seeing the slimy way he deals with WNs of long standing who he sees as a threat to his DICTATOR like POWER!

heaven above
October 6th, 2004, 11:23 AM
In the article that John Tyndall is referring to, I was quite incensed by the attack on the NF contained in that piece, and even NationalVanguardNews deleted it from their 'news' on their website.

That attack was totally uncalled for. Behaving like bloody reds now. :mad:

STORMSOLDAAT
October 6th, 2004, 01:51 PM
In the article that John Tyndall is referring to, I was quite incensed by the attack on the NF contained in that piece, and even NationalVanguardNews deleted it from their 'news' on their website.

That attack was totally uncalled for. Behaving like bloody reds now. :mad:

I think it is the type of attack that we will see more of, as Griffin tries to sell his (NEW) whiter than white image to joe public.

He is of course only kidding himself that the Public will fall for it and join the new BNP in their masses. Old Nick and his Gadaffi "Political Soldier" days are never going to allow him the clean image he dreams he has.

All Griffins attempts to convince joe public that the new "modernized" BNP are not Nazi's, and are not EVEN Racist's, will do nothing but drive away real WNs (those that have not already left or are awaiting expulsion!) :(

DSMRD
October 6th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Interesting! This article is also posted on StormFront and two of the first people responding said they have already read the article elsewhere on the net. Now I wonder where that could be? :)

Librarian
October 6th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Griffin doesn't want to hurt UKIP?

More than interesting.

heaven above
October 6th, 2004, 05:22 PM
Griffin doesn't want to hurt UKIP?

More than interesting.


I remember the AC meetings in 1998, including Dudley, West Midlands, when Griffin told us all he, and Dr. Mark Deavin were going to 'swing the UKIP' after splitting it all up in internal infighting, round ,and the rest would join the BNP.

Errrm, and what has, actually happened here ? :rolleyes:

White Dragon
October 11th, 2004, 08:20 PM
Yes indeed folks, the rampant, raging hippy, professional high earner, John (Jew) Tree aka Andy (where is my orange shirt today) Robertson has closed this same thread on slutfront.

The truth hurts !! :D

The Jew Tree is a professional John Tyndall thread closer. :eek:

Hey Andy boy......we got you sussed mate!

Librarian
October 12th, 2004, 01:21 AM
No kidding.

SF Britain is now a shadow of its former self. Very few people other then JewTree, Onion-Eyes and a few other Griffin doormats post there anymore.

JewTree has succeeded in his aim - an entire WN forum has been effectively shut down. The terrible thing is that most of them (Don Black included) still don't get it.

STORMSOLDAAT
October 12th, 2004, 03:34 AM
No kidding.

SF Britain is now a shadow of its former self. Very few people other then JewTree, Onion-Eyes and a few other Griffin doormats post there anymore.

JewTree has succeeded in his aim - an entire WN forum has been effectively shut down. The terrible thing is that most of them (Don Black included) still don't get it.

Maybe that is why Jewtree has been allowed to stay as a SF mod? I know it must be an imbarassment for Griffin having one of his own good sheep being directly connected with a pro-Nazi forum.

Jewtree is allowed to stay as an SF mod and a BNP member with his family photo's on the main page because he gives Griffin a good bung and does what he's told and nothing more!

Jewtree is just Griffins SF puppet, bet Griffin holds very tightly to jewtree string! :D

White Dragon
October 12th, 2004, 12:25 PM
No kidding.

SF Britain is now a shadow of its former self. Very few people other then JewTree, Onion-Eyes and a few other Griffin doormats post there anymore.

JewTree has succeeded in his aim - an entire WN forum has been effectively shut down. The terrible thing is that most of them (Don Black included) still don't get it.

The simple message here is the big bung 1,400 - 2,000 Dollars every year to old Donny (I swear I had a roof) Black. Itz as simple as that, nothing more, nothing less.

This "highly paid professional" waster with his pathetic one line posts and his ridiculous hippy statements knows what money is for and how to use it.

STORMSOLDAAT
October 12th, 2004, 12:33 PM
This "highly paid professional" waster with his pathetic one line posts and his ridiculous hippy statements knows what money is for and how to use it.

Jewtree really lives up to his name, he sounds just so jewish. No wonder he has jewish friends, they probably think he's one of them!

S.EBANKS
October 12th, 2004, 02:31 PM
Maybe that is why Jewtree has been allowed to stay as a SF mod? I know it must be an imbarassment for Griffin having one of his own good sheep being directly connected with a pro-Nazi forum.

Jewtree is allowed to stay as an SF mod and a BNP member with his family photo's on the main page because he gives Griffin a good bung and does what he's told and nothing more!

Jewtree is just Griffins SF puppet, bet Griffin holds very tightly to jewtree string! :D You are right why does Griffin let BNP members associate with some people who are openly "nazis" & for that matter why does he let any BNP go on SF,after all aren't all other groups & parties proscribed. I don't think JohnJewTree has ever banned or moderated any Griffin supporters.So their think their can say & do anything.Then when a American mod comes on & moderates some of them their all start crying.

STORMSOLDAAT
October 12th, 2004, 02:59 PM
You are right why does Griffin let BNP members associate with some people who are openly "nazis" & for that matter why does he let any BNP go on SF,after all aren't all other groups & parties proscribed. I don't think JohnJewTree has ever banned or moderated any Griffin supporters.So their think their can say & do anything.Then when a American mod comes on & moderates some of them their all start crying.

Yes it's a funny old setup and no mistake. All links to "Nazi" groups or "Extremist" groups are normally proscribed by the once ally of Islam. But Griffin looks the other way when it suits his new family business.

I would suspect any BNP member having much contact with a Neo-Nazi like me would have to be very carefull. It would mean immediate expulsion.


It seems very strange that those who have been with the WN organizations for many years are seen as "black sheep" and some turk or jews are seen as OK ? :confused:

heaven above
October 12th, 2004, 05:40 PM
You will have to help me out here HA. But I seem to remember one Mr Brayshaw attempting to take over UKIP. Anyone?

I don't know Mr. Brayshaw personally. We have never been introduced. He did speak at the last BNP Annual Rally in 1998 I believe, as a Yorkshire delegate, in the West Midlands. He isn't an accomplished speaker, and was a very junior official at that time.Hopefully he has improved.

I have been told that he hates me 'with a passion'. I can't for the life of me understand why. :rolleyes:

Yes, he was involved in some UKIP infiltration, that can only best be described as low level tinkering, on the UKIP periphery.

His claim to fame seems to have been to upset just about every BNP official he has clapped eyes on. He also seems to have had some major vendetta against, and hand in, the destruction of the Burnley BNP Branch from a dynamo to a second rate Branch, now run by a Griffin imposed pillock.