in the future threads about actually doing something, should perhaps be started in the civil forum, where we have a rule about staying on topic. that would allow a focus on the issue about doing something rather than all these subordinate issues such as into which the vnn tabloid thread has degenerated.

again, consider putting "project" threads in the civil forum in the future. In retrospect I should have done that with the Hale fundraising thread too. Or maybe I started that before we had the civil forum........ No matter. Just consider this thought in the future gentle readers.

based on the continuing off-topic yammering at the tabloid thread, I have, without approval or suggestion from anyone, moved it into the civil forum where it will be subject to moderation for relevancy of comments.