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Antiochus Epiphanes
10-07-2004, 12:16 PM
the pathetic US government combine, both state and federal, fail of their essential functions.

they spend 200 billion on a war to please Israel, and cant manage to orchestrate the most basic public health need: securing enough flu vaccine doses.

in ten years how many people have died of "terrorism" inside the USA?

in ten years how many have died of INFLUENZA inside the USA?

The government of today is utterly incompetent. Would be far better if it were run by WHITES instead of Jews, jewlackey White stooges, and their colored minions.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20041007/ap_on_he_me/flu_vaccine_22

DENVER - While officials across the nation are urging healthy adults and schoolchildren to skip their annual flu shot, parents are mulling their options. The news that British regulators have shut down a major flu-shot supplier carries particular concern in Colorado, which was the epicenter of last year's flu season with 12,885 reported cases and the deaths of 12 children.


With 46 million doses now unavailable, the government says the 54 million flu shots left from a rival firm should be reserved for youngsters ages 6-23 months, people 65 or older, anyone living with babies younger than 6 months and others in high-risk groups.


Josh Duignan got his first flu shot last year when his wife was pregnant with their first child. While son Ethan will get a shot this year, Duignan isn't sure whether he'll also get a chance to roll up his sleeve.


He knows his pediatrician has enough doses to vaccinate Ethan, now 7 months, but isn't sure about himself.


"If they turn me down, I don't know what I'll do," he said. "But I'm going to get one this year. I promised my wife I would."


The shutdown of flu vaccine production at Chiron Corp. has slashed supplies across the nation. Public health clinics in Georgia and Pennsylvania will lose nearly a third of their doses. Minnesota canceled flu clinics for state employees and set aside vaccines for those at high risk.


"Worst-case scenario, we will have probably more patients being hospitalized with pneumonia," said Dr. Wellington Liu, medical director of Kateri Medical Residence in New York City, a nursing home with 440 long-term patients.


Doctors at Arvada Pediatric Associates in suburban Denver normally recommend flu shots for siblings of children with asthma and other risky conditions. But even those children are expected to forgo shots this year, president Charyl LeBlanc said as the office fielded calls from panicked parents.


"It's been a wild day," LeBlanc said Wednesday. "Part of the problem is everybody is remembering the flu season last year, particularly in Colorado."


Colorado health officials do not track how many doses are available statewide, although Chiron rival Aventis Pasteur did send 100,000 doses for a vaccination program targeting low-income children.


"It's kind of disappointing that we didn't have more than two sources to get the vaccine," complained Dan Knuth, 59, of New Brighton, Minn., who said he probably won't get a shot this year. "It shows the vulnerability of our health care system."


Kaiser Permanente, the nation's largest health maintenance organization, has between 40,000 and 50,000 doses left for Coloradans, but those may be nearly gone by Saturday, said Eric France, chief of preventive medicine for the HMO in Colorado.


"My reaction was, `Here we go again,'" France said. "We've had five years of trouble with the vaccine supply. ... Doctors, nurses and patients are saying, `Why can't we get it right?'"


The Visiting Nurse Association of Denver, supplied by Chiron, originally hoped to vaccinate about 70,000 people this season, but that number will probably be less than 10,000, spokeswoman Martha de Ulibarri said.


With a 7-month-old baby, Barbara Askenazi said she planned to call her pediatrician to see whether her she and her 2 1/2-year-old son Buddy, who mixes with plenty of children at nursery school, should get shots anyway.


"It just dumbfounds me that they can't figure out how to make enough," said Askenazi, 36. "People know the flu is coming, they know how dangerous it is, but there's always a shortage of vaccine."


High-risk patients depend on flu shots because the injections are made of killed influenza virus. Other people have another option: About 1 million doses of an inhaled flu vaccine, MedImmune Inc.'s FluMist, will be available for healthy 5- to 49-year-olds. It's made from live but weakened influenza virus.


Health care workers can't legally bar insistent, lower-risk patients from getting shots but will try to persuade them to do otherwise.

"Every person of average risk who gets a shot is taking a shot away from someone who really needs it," France said.

Officials have discussed the possibility of diluting the flu vaccine, but there's no data on whether that would still protect high-risk groups. Plus, most shots come in with a single syringe and cannot be used by two people.

In Maryland, Montgomery County ordered all of its adult vaccines from Chiron and is left with only child vaccines this season, said Ulder Tillman, county health officer. Plans to vaccinate about 4,000 people this year have been halved.

The vaccine shortage will also have economic impacts. The Minnesota Visiting Nurse Agency counts on proceeds from its flu clinics to help fund some 80,000 home visits a year. It expected to receive 150,000 doses this year from Chiron.

"We had to cancel everything," said Mary Ann Blade, the agency's chief executive.

Whirlwind
10-07-2004, 12:38 PM
Sorry. Not seeing a government issued shot as an essential service. How do you make someone want something they don't naturally want? You could try saying it is in short supply (artificial). Then they will demand "theirs". Did anyone get a flu shot twenty years ago? No one has questions about how they can predict with ANY accuracy what strain will be prevalent, months ahead? If this is really a critical need, can't/wouldn't the government compel the manufacturers to continue production?
Plenty of essential functions the government is failing to provide. Secure borders and health care to name but two.

Antiochus Epiphanes
10-07-2004, 03:14 PM
secure borders are absolutely fundamental functions.

vaccinations are more important than health care in general, because epidemics are a public health issue which can become critical and can rapidly lead to severe problems and disorder etc.

I prefer limited government, but the fact is they have made vaccination essentionally a nationalized aspect of the hc delivery system due to mass tort claims running amuck.

consequently there are only two vendors. one is in england and they lost their license to produce the vaccine, and that was probably for some serious problem. so one would not want to second guess that. there will only be half as many doses available and rationing by health care providers is in effect, TODAY. yours truly's tots just got their flu shot appointment, CANCELLED.

if a flu epidemic of 1913 proportions hit the USA today, there would be riots.

norcalnative1971
10-07-2004, 04:14 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]vaccinations are more important than health care in general, because epidemics are a public health issue which can become critical and can rapidly lead to severe problems and disorder etc.
[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3]Vaccinations do NOT prevent epidemics.

Nutrition and cleanliness/hygiene do.[/SIZE]

hitler goddess
10-07-2004, 04:19 PM
Its kind of funny. I never get the flu shot and other people I know do, and they end up getting sick, while I remain healthy.

norcalnative1971
10-07-2004, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Its kind of funny. I never get the flu shot and other people I know do, and they end up getting sick, while I remain healthy.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3]Most of the vaccines have been invented by Jews, so it is quite amusing for any "White Nationalist" to promote them.

Good eating, cleanliness, and often good genes are the only effective deterrents to infectious illness.[/SIZE]

Antiochus Epiphanes
10-07-2004, 04:25 PM
those things are all good, but if you dont think vaccinations are helpful in many illnesses you are mistaken.

I'm glad I amuse you.

sean(doc)martin
10-07-2004, 04:43 PM
In response to Linder
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]Your statement here begs the question, how can asking questions and pointing out facts "knock off track" the VNN newspaper?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=131342#post131342
It seems like NukeCal has finally gone off and flipped. I thought you and Linder would be the last two he would challenge, but it appears like there is no one that measures up to NukeCal’s idea of an Aryan.

norcalnative1971
10-07-2004, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]In response to Linder

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=131342#post131342
It seems like NukeCal has finally gone off and flipped. I thought you and Linder would be the last two he would challenge, but it appears like there is no one that measures up to NukeCal’s idea of an Aryan.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3]
What in Hel does this have to do with AE's thread?[/SIZE]

norcalnative1971
10-07-2004, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]those things are all good, but if you dont think vaccinations are helpful in many illnesses you are mistaken.
[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3]"Mistaken"? According to whom? ZOG's "Centers for Disease Control" [sic]?[/SIZE]

Whirlwind
10-08-2004, 05:47 AM
Wyeth Labs got out of the vaccine biz because of constantly changing gov't. regs regarding manufacturing process. So in effect, the gov't. closed that line. Worried about the flu? Maybe you should know they have exhumed bodies from permafrost to extract the virus that caused flu epidemic in 1918. For study, of course.
Do you know any Gulf War vets? And you still want a vaccination from uncle sam?

JoeSixPack
10-08-2004, 03:13 PM
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]Most of the vaccines have been invented by Jews, so it is quite amusing for any "White Nationalist" to promote them.

Good eating, cleanliness, and often good genes are the only effective deterrents to infectious illness.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I fully agree. With all the processed crap in "food" these days, it is difficult to maintain a healty immune system. Eating a good diet is the best thing you can do for yourself.

Antiochus Epiphanes
10-08-2004, 03:57 PM
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]"Mistaken"? According to whom? ZOG's "Centers for Disease Control" [sic]?[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

ever heard of Louis Pasteur? Ever heard of, say, rabies? Or anthrax? I can think of a few others. If you're saying vaccines are not helpful for some illnesses, you are the one swimming upstream not me. Just because the government says it, doesnt mean it's automatically false.