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no_nomen
December 3rd, 2003, 12:22 AM
Religion: Gateway to the Mind
“To seek to subjugate the will of others and take the soul captive,
because it is the exercise of the highest power, seems to be the
highest object of human ambition. It is at the bottom of all
proselyting and propagandism, from that of Mesmer to that of the
Church of Rome and the French Republic. That was the
apostolate alike of Joshua and of Mahomet.”
Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma, III .: The Master
___________________________________________
"No sane man of intelligence will plead for a religion
on the grounds that it is better than nothing.
It is not better than nothing if it is not true.
Truth is better than anything or all things."
--Ambrose Bierce, 1842-1914
GATES OF THE MIND - David Lane
Freedom fighters today, the brave folk who risk their lives and fortunes
for the survival of their race and culture, spend much of their time and
energy defining and describing "the enemy." Quite frankly, we are our
own worst enemy. As a species, as a race, we are woefully inadequate
to repel the power of propaganda and manipulation of the masses.
We are a race who invites and enables our own extinction.
The longer one is in the White survival mindset, the more evident it
becomes that for the vast, overwhelming majority of people their ideas
of reality are artificial constructs. It appears that the creation of artificial
realities is an exact science which was perfected by the world's rulers
thousands of years ago.
There are many modern and self-evident methods of mind control and
reality creation of which most of us are already aware. We all know the
power of the electronic toilet called 'television.' Reality for most
Americans and for hundreds of millions of others around the world
springs from this Hollywood sewage. A prime example of TV control
can be seen in America's prisons. Despite the fact that most convictions
in Federal courts are obtained with perjured testimony and false
evidence, and even though the inmates know it, and even though
they know the media is complicit in covering up or justifying
unconstitutional trials, they still persist in parroting or discussing
the television's demonization of alleged malefactors.
There is an even better example of how far removed from reality our
folk have become. I refer to the spectacle of so-called pro-wrestling.
Millions of Americans sit glued to their seats in front of the idiot box,
as the transparent charade of bluster, braggadocio, garish costumes
and bad acting runs its course. The same could be said for all TV
sports, game shows and soap operas, the megabucks entertainment
industry.
During the weeks previous to the so-called Gulf War (better named
"Operation Desert Turkey Shoot"), I watched in disbelief as the media
whipped the American people into a killing frenzy within just thirty
days. Where once upon a time heroism was characterized by the last
stand of a heroic few against insurmountable odds, now it is considered
heroic to kill hundreds of thousands with push-button missiles or with
monster bombs, dropped with impunity and perfect safety from 8 or
10 miles in the air. Butchery of the helpless and the innocent is now
rewarded with medals for heroism.
The mass hysteria that once worked so well in public gatherings like
church and the Colosseum is now spread to billions via the electronic
media. And mass hysteria is real. Recently I saw a nostalgic film clip
that showed young girls at the Ed Sullivan Show during the famous
Elvis episode. The girls were in a trance state as complete as could be
induced by a master hypnotist.
Reality for the masses is, also, a reflection of appearance as opposed to
substance. I remember taking a poll among nearly a hundred young
women after the Nixon-Kennedy debates prior to the presidential
election of 1960. Almost every single woman who had watched the
debate declared she would vote for Kennedy. When asked why, they
gushed, "Because he is so good looking!" So much for the idiotic idea
of democracy, and votes, and self-rule by the unqualified. As an aside,
those who listened to the debate on the radio usually opted for Nixon.
There are endless examples of the insanity that pass as reality among
our folk. Those of us in the struggle for the 14 Words already know the
final war will be between relatively small numbers at each end of the
spectrum, while the masses watch, and wait, to see who will prevail
and thus be the next to tell them what to think and what to believe.
Before the advent of television and other modern methods of mind-
-control the world's rulers relied largely on religion to control the masses.
We call to mind the maxim:
When the gates of the mind are opened to the first irrational premise,
then all barriers to a flood of insanity are broken. This is a fundamental
secret of priestcraft. That is why the priestcrafter intones the
never-ending litany of "believe-believe-believe" and "have
faith-faith-faith!" The preacher will not tell his followers to go out and
explore all religions, all philosophies, all science disciplines and then
make a considered judgment.
The ancient mystery schools of our folk, whence sprang Wotanism,
never taught "belief." In fact, the Adepts would have been horrified!
They taught the aspiring initiate how to study nature in meticulous
detail, and it was from such observation that they postulated an
intelligence and motive force in the universe. However, the three
major religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, which allegedly
sprang from a common root, are all predicated on the irrationality
of "belief," as opposed to "reason." As we shall see, opening the gates
of the mind to an absurd premise is the secret of power for all three
religions as they exist today.
The three most absurd supernatural tales that are presented as factual
history, one from each religion, will illustrate the point. Moslems are told
that Mohammed rose to heaven while still alive, as he stood on a rock
which is now enshrined within a mosque called the Dome of the Rock.
The Christians demand literal belief that the motive force of the entire
universe turned itself into a mortal man, in order to have itself killed
by mortal men, in order to keep itself from killing mortal men in the
eternal torment of hell.
The Jews are taught that the earth stopped spinning so there would
be extra sunlight for their alleged ancestors to slaughter their enemies.
Of course, they are not told that if the earth stopped spinning, the oceans
would come out of their boundaries in a wall of water miles deep and
traveling 1,000 mph, which would obliterate the earth's land masses.
If the concept of "God" can be understood within the limitations of
human perspective, the most precise grasp would be defined by the
eternal Laws of Nature. But Christians are required to abandon all
reason and "believe" in the "immaculate conception." But is there a
Christian alive who would rejoice to learn that his virgin daughter
were pregnant?
Truly, sane men understand that Nature is unforgivingly true!
The point is, if the pastor can convince his sheep that such absurdities
are possible, then their minds are gone and he can lead them marching
lockstep, like lemmings, to enslavement and extinction. If the people
will swallow tales this wild and impossible, then selling religious wars,
inquisitions and even racial suicide are a piece of cake.
It appears that the masses claiming to be members of any of these
three religions are equally duped by their priestcraft leaders. This
does not change the fact that incredibly wealthy Internationalists
rule the world today, or that they have sentenced the White race to
death.
A fact that will become self-evident is that original Old Testament
writings formed a separatist religion which can be still deduced,
despite all the centuries in custody of the enemy. A separatist
religion is good, no matter who claims to be its founders or
descendants. Islam was formed by Adepts in response to the
evil and tyranny of the Roman Church; its founders had good
intentions. Of the three, only Christianity was constructed from
the beginning as a tool for tyrants.
The real murderer of the White race is Christianity. It was formed
to unite the many races, nations and cultures of the cruel and
degenerate Roman Empire. As such, its aim was always genocide
for our folk throughout Europe. To use the Christians' own words,
"By their fruits you shall know them." Christianity brought torture,
murder, war, inquisitions, insanity, misery, slavery, superstition,
ignorance and the Dark Ages.
Wotan was, is and always shall be the true God of the Aryan people.
Wotan has sustained us in the past and will be our strength and
victory in the future.
"It remains true: the fairy tale of Christ is the reason
that the world is able to go forward another ten meters
without anyone coming to his senses;
it takes as much strength of knowledge,
understanding and wisdom to defend it as to attack it."
--Goethe, 1788 CE
http://pyramidprophecy.net/gatesofthemind.htm
Alex Linder
February 29th, 2004, 05:33 AM
Great post, I love this:
"No sane man of intelligence will plead for a religion
on the grounds that it is better than nothing.
It is not better than nothing if it is not true.
Truth is better than anything or all things."
--Ambrose Bierce, 1842-1914
I don't think I've come across that before, but it is exactly what I believe.
I would love to see a poll taken of the religious attitudes of WWF fans; I bet they're not just stupider than average but far more religious. Religion appeals to herdish and defective in man. If you can believe in God, then you can believe in anything. Worshiping God is just another form of worshiping Authority. It is the natural lot of the run of idiots with nothing inside themselves to measure anything, and so thrown back on the common estimation. And hell bent on bawling down anyone who disagrees. The letters, oh, the letters. There is nothing in the world within single-A ball of the Christian's major-league ability to write illiterate "death to infidel" letters. Raise a snake if you're with me.
Gallytuck
March 8th, 2004, 09:07 AM
I think this should become a sticky.
Agreed. Even so, there's no reasoning with any of them. Record yourself saying, "Because God/Allah/Yawheh said so," and loop it. Then play that recording back while you state your arguments. That's almost just as good as debating with a Christian/Moslem/Jew about their beliefs. The only thing that's missing is the quoting of the "scriptures".
Gabrielle
March 8th, 2004, 10:03 AM
Time to call in the big guns, huh? So, the imaginary no_nomen is brought back. LOL. Mel's movie has a lot people scared. LOL.
Gabrielle
March 8th, 2004, 10:36 AM
“The real murderer of the White race is Christianity. It was formed
to unite the many races, nations and cultures of the cruel and
degenerate Roman Empire. As such, its aim was always genocide
for our folk throughout Europe. To use the Christians' own words,
"By their fruits you shall know them." Christianity brought torture,
murder, war, inquisitions, insanity, misery, slavery, superstition,
ignorance and the Dark Ages.”
David Lane should get his facts straight before he opens his mouth. It is Judeo Christians that teach ‘we are the world rubbish’; it is quite the opposite with real Christians. We are the original separatists - read the Old Testament, for it is the same God and same people as in the New Testament.
It was not Christianity that brought all that miseries he speaks of – it was governments! It has always been governments! Mr. Lane seems to have forgotten about this. Governments will use anything they want to bring about their wars. Someone should also inform Mr. Lane that many Khazar Jews have openly bragged about themselves being behind ALL wars; I repeat, they have bragged about being behind ALL of our wars. Lets look at just a few:
Waco
Ruby Ridge
Gordon Kahl
Our present ‘War on Terrorism’
Gulf War
Viet Nam War
Korean War
WWII
WWI
The War Between the States
The War of 1812
The American Revolution
The French Revolution
The Russian Revolution
Etc…
leeluttrell
March 8th, 2004, 07:01 PM
"When the gates of the mind are open to the first irrational premise, then all barriers to a flood of insanity are broken. This is a fundamental secret of priestcraft."
Where have I heard this before.....Ohhh I remember..It went something like this..... If you smoke a "joint" today, you will be "shooting herion" tomorrow.
I thought you guys had all died off. By the way no_nomen..Thanks for the "Drug War" its been a total success.
Its funny, no mater how you Dress-Up the language, the idea still sucks. Lee
Gallytuck
March 8th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Actually, you'd probably be doing mushrooms and acid tomorrow. Tapping smack would probably come sometime in the middle of next week.
Gott
March 10th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Religion: Gateway to the Mind
“To seek to subjugate the will of others and take the soul captive,
because it is the exercise of the highest power, seems to be the
highest object of human ambition. It is at the bottom of all
proselyting and propagandism, from that of Mesmer to that of the
Church of Rome and the French Republic. That was the
apostolate alike of Joshua and of Mahomet.”
Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma, III .: The Master
___________________________________________
"No sane man of intelligence will plead for a religion
on the grounds that it is better than nothing.
It is not better than nothing if it is not true.
Truth is better than anything or all things."
--Ambrose Bierce, 1842-1914
GATES OF THE MIND - David Lane
Freedom fighters today, the brave folk who risk their lives and fortunes
for the survival of their race and culture, spend much of their time and
energy defining and describing "the enemy." Quite frankly, we are our
own worst enemy. As a species, as a race, we are woefully inadequate
to repel the power of propaganda and manipulation of the masses.
We are a race who invites and enables our own extinction.
The longer one is in the White survival mindset, the more evident it
becomes that for the vast, overwhelming majority of people their ideas
of reality are artificial constructs. It appears that the creation of artificial
realities is an exact science which was perfected by the world's rulers
thousands of years ago.
There are many modern and self-evident methods of mind control and
reality creation of which most of us are already aware. We all know the
power of the electronic toilet called 'television.' Reality for most
Americans and for hundreds of millions of others around the world
springs from this Hollywood sewage. A prime example of TV control
can be seen in America's prisons. Despite the fact that most convictions
in Federal courts are obtained with perjured testimony and false
evidence, and even though the inmates know it, and even though
they know the media is complicit in covering up or justifying
unconstitutional trials, they still persist in parroting or discussing
the television's demonization of alleged malefactors.
There is an even better example of how far removed from reality our
folk have become. I refer to the spectacle of so-called pro-wrestling.
Millions of Americans sit glued to their seats in front of the idiot box,
as the transparent charade of bluster, braggadocio, garish costumes
and bad acting runs its course. The same could be said for all TV
sports, game shows and soap operas, the megabucks entertainment
industry.
During the weeks previous to the so-called Gulf War (better named
"Operation Desert Turkey Shoot"), I watched in disbelief as the media
whipped the American people into a killing frenzy within just thirty
days. Where once upon a time heroism was characterized by the last
stand of a heroic few against insurmountable odds, now it is considered
heroic to kill hundreds of thousands with push-button missiles or with
monster bombs, dropped with impunity and perfect safety from 8 or
10 miles in the air. Butchery of the helpless and the innocent is now
rewarded with medals for heroism.
The mass hysteria that once worked so well in public gatherings like
church and the Colosseum is now spread to billions via the electronic
media. And mass hysteria is real. Recently I saw a nostalgic film clip
that showed young girls at the Ed Sullivan Show during the famous
Elvis episode. The girls were in a trance state as complete as could be
induced by a master hypnotist.
Reality for the masses is, also, a reflection of appearance as opposed to
substance. I remember taking a poll among nearly a hundred young
women after the Nixon-Kennedy debates prior to the presidential
election of 1960. Almost every single woman who had watched the
debate declared she would vote for Kennedy. When asked why, they
gushed, "Because he is so good looking!" So much for the idiotic idea
of democracy, and votes, and self-rule by the unqualified. As an aside,
those who listened to the debate on the radio usually opted for Nixon.
There are endless examples of the insanity that pass as reality among
our folk. Those of us in the struggle for the 14 Words already know the
final war will be between relatively small numbers at each end of the
spectrum, while the masses watch, and wait, to see who will prevail
and thus be the next to tell them what to think and what to believe.
Before the advent of television and other modern methods of mind-
-control the world's rulers relied largely on religion to control the masses.
We call to mind the maxim:
When the gates of the mind are opened to the first irrational premise,
then all barriers to a flood of insanity are broken. This is a fundamental
secret of priestcraft. That is why the priestcrafter intones the
never-ending litany of "believe-believe-believe" and "have
faith-faith-faith!" The preacher will not tell his followers to go out and
explore all religions, all philosophies, all science disciplines and then
make a considered judgment.
The ancient mystery schools of our folk, whence sprang Wotanism,
never taught "belief." In fact, the Adepts would have been horrified!
They taught the aspiring initiate how to study nature in meticulous
detail, and it was from such observation that they postulated an
intelligence and motive force in the universe. However, the three
major religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, which allegedly
sprang from a common root, are all predicated on the irrationality
of "belief," as opposed to "reason." As we shall see, opening the gates
of the mind to an absurd premise is the secret of power for all three
religions as they exist today.
The three most absurd supernatural tales that are presented as factual
history, one from each religion, will illustrate the point. Moslems are told
that Mohammed rose to heaven while still alive, as he stood on a rock
which is now enshrined within a mosque called the Dome of the Rock.
The Christians demand literal belief that the motive force of the entire
universe turned itself into a mortal man, in order to have itself killed
by mortal men, in order to keep itself from killing mortal men in the
eternal torment of hell.
The Jews are taught that the earth stopped spinning so there would
be extra sunlight for their alleged ancestors to slaughter their enemies.
Of course, they are not told that if the earth stopped spinning, the oceans
would come out of their boundaries in a wall of water miles deep and
traveling 1,000 mph, which would obliterate the earth's land masses.
If the concept of "God" can be understood within the limitations of
human perspective, the most precise grasp would be defined by the
eternal Laws of Nature. But Christians are required to abandon all
reason and "believe" in the "immaculate conception." But is there a
Christian alive who would rejoice to learn that his virgin daughter
were pregnant?
Truly, sane men understand that Nature is unforgivingly true!
The point is, if the pastor can convince his sheep that such absurdities
are possible, then their minds are gone and he can lead them marching
lockstep, like lemmings, to enslavement and extinction. If the people
will swallow tales this wild and impossible, then selling religious wars,
inquisitions and even racial suicide are a piece of cake.
It appears that the masses claiming to be members of any of these
three religions are equally duped by their priestcraft leaders. This
does not change the fact that incredibly wealthy Internationalists
rule the world today, or that they have sentenced the White race to
death.
A fact that will become self-evident is that original Old Testament
writings formed a separatist religion which can be still deduced,
despite all the centuries in custody of the enemy. A separatist
religion is good, no matter who claims to be its founders or
descendants. Islam was formed by Adepts in response to the
evil and tyranny of the Roman Church; its founders had good
intentions. Of the three, only Christianity was constructed from
the beginning as a tool for tyrants.
The real murderer of the White race is Christianity. It was formed
to unite the many races, nations and cultures of the cruel and
degenerate Roman Empire. As such, its aim was always genocide
for our folk throughout Europe. To use the Christians' own words,
"By their fruits you shall know them." Christianity brought torture,
murder, war, inquisitions, insanity, misery, slavery, superstition,
ignorance and the Dark Ages.
Wotan was, is and always shall be the true God of the Aryan people.
Wotan has sustained us in the past and will be our strength and
victory in the future.
"It remains true: the fairy tale of Christ is the reason
that the world is able to go forward another ten meters
without anyone coming to his senses;
it takes as much strength of knowledge,
understanding and wisdom to defend it as to attack it."
--Goethe, 1788 CE
http://pyramidprophecy.net/gatesofthemind.htm
What a superb essay, thanks so much for posting it. Post it often:)
The Bierce quote is great too. Lane's essay on who is white is also excellent. Is all his stuff this good?
For Europe and the Fuhrer
Steve B
March 11th, 2004, 12:52 AM
What a superb essay, thanks so much for posting it. Post it often:)
The Bierce quote is great too. Lane's essay on who is white is also excellent. Is all his stuff this good?
For Europe and the Fuhrer
Comon Gott, you gotta be fuckin kiddin me!!! Wotan??? Wotan aka Odin was a "was a shape-changer, able to change his skin and form in any way he liked". Dude rode around on "an eight-legged horse with the severed head of the dwarf Mimir, which foretold the future". "Hung himself from the tree Yggdrasil, whilst pierced by his own spear, to acquire knowledge. He hung there for nine days and nights". Bet it gets even funnier, Gott!
"Odin has a number of magical artifacts associated with him: the dwarven spear Gungnir, a magical gold ring (Draupnir), and two ravens Hugin and Munin (Thought and Memory) who travel the world to acquire information at his behest. He also commands a pair of wolves named Geri and Freki. From his throne, Hlidskjalf (located in Valaskjalf), Odin could see everything that occurred in the universe".
HAHAHAHHA...AND YOU JOKERS CALL CHRISTIANITY A CROCK!!!! Man O' man I thought I was dealing with intelligent people heer! You clowns aren't any better than the CIers you always trash!!! Magic spears, magic gold rings, packs of wolves, 8 legged horse, shape shifting, severed heads of dwarfs which can see into the future, sees everything in the universe!!! Tell me O' wise and powerfull Gott how this is any different than walking on water and bringing back the dead? Same bullshit....different name!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotan
His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex: he is god of both wisdom and war, roles not necessarily conceived of as being mutually sympathetic in contemporary society. His name has roots in the Old Norse word óðr, meaning "inspiration, madness, anger", and the god may have evolved from Odr. Odin (Óðinn) is also referred to as Vóden. Other variations are: Othinn; Old High German Wuotan; (German word Wut translates to anger, rage) Old Low German Wodan, Wotan; and Old English Woden, which appears to mean "furious", "wild", "mad".
His name, for the warlike Norsemen, was synonymous with battle and warfare, for it recurs throughout the myths as the bringer of victory. Odin was a shape-changer, able to change his skin and form in any way he liked. He was said to travel the world disguised as an old man with a staff, one-eyed, grey-bearded and wearing a wide-brimmed hat (called Odin Gangleri ("the wanderer")). Odin sometimes traveled among mortals under aliases Vak and Valtam.
He possessed Sleipnir, an eight-legged horse, and the severed head of the dwarf Mimir, which foretold the future. He employed Valkyries to gather the souls of warriors fallen in battle (the Einherjar), as these would be needed to fight for him in the battle of Ragnarok. They took the souls of the warriors to Valhalla (the hall of the fallen), Odin's residence in Asgard. One of the Valkyries, Brynhild, was imprisoned in a ring of fire by Odin for daring to disobey him. She was rescued by Sigurd. He was similarly harsh on Hod, a blind god who had accidentally killed his brother, Baldr. Odin and Rind, a giantess, birthed a child named Vali for the specific purpose of killing Hod.
Odin was a compulsive seeker of wisdom, consumed by his passion for knowledge, to the extent that he sacrificed one eye and also hung himself from the tree Yggdrasil, whilst pierced by his own spear, to acquire knowledge. He hung there for nine days and nights, a number deeply significant in Norse magical practice (there were, for example, 9 realms of existence), thereby learning nine magical songs and eighteen magical runes. The purpose of this strange ritual, a god sacrificing himself to himself because there was nothing higher to sacrifice to, was to obtain mystical insight through mortification of the flesh; however, some scholars assert that the Norse believed that insight into the runes could only be truly attained in death. Odin's love for wisdom can also be seen in his work as a farmhand for a summer, for Baugi, in order to obtain the mead of poetry. See Fjalar and Galar for more details.
Some scholars would see this as a garbled version of the story of Christ's crucifixion, but perhaps it is more likely that the poem shows the influence of shamanism, where the symbolic climbing of a "world tree" by the shaman in search of mystic knowledge is a common religious pattern. We know that sacrifices, human or otherwise, to the gods were commonly hung in or from trees, often transfixed by spears. (See also: Peijainen) Incidentally, one of Odin's alternative names is Ygg, and Yggdrasil therefore means "Ygg's (Odin's)horse". Another of Odin's names is Hangatyr, the god of the hanged.
Odin has a number of magical artifacts associated with him: the dwarven spear Gungnir, a magical gold ring (Draupnir), an eight-legged horse (Sleipnir), and two ravens Hugin and Munin (Thought and Memory) who travel the world to acquire information at his behest. He also commands a pair of wolves named Geri and Freki. From his throne, Hlidskjalf (located in Valaskjalf), Odin could see everything that occurred in the universe.
It was common, particularly among the Cimbri, to sacrifice a prisoner to Odin prior to or after a battle. One such prisoner, the "Tollund Man", was discovered hanged, naked along with many others, some of whom were wounded, in Central Jutland. The victim singled out for such a sacrifice was usually the first prisoner captured in battle. The rites particular to Odin were sacrifice by hanging, as in the case of Tollund Man; impalement upon a spear; and burning. The Orkneyinga saga relates another (and uncommon) form of Odinic sacrifice, wherein the captured Ella is slaughtered by the carving out of a "blood-eagle" upon his back.
More significantly, however, it has been argued that the killing of a combatant in battle was to give a sacrificial offering to Odin.
Sacrifices were probably also made to Odin at the beginning of summer, since Ynglinga states one of the great festivities of the calendar is at sumri, þat var sigrblót "in summer, for victory"; Odin is consistently referred to throughout the Norse mythos as the bringer of victory. The fickleness of Odin in battle was also well-documented, and in Lokasenna, Loki taunts Odin for his inconsistency.
FranzJoseph
March 11th, 2004, 05:23 AM
Comon Gott, you gotta be fuckin kiddin me!!! Wotan??? Wotan aka Odin ... "Hung himself from the tree Yggdrasil, whilst pierced by his own spear, to acquire knowledge. He hung there for nine days and nights"...
A mythopoetic way of stating he suffered for his knowledge. Your ancestors had reasons for writing these legends, these myths, these lessons.
They wrote them for you.
The meaning of the stories, poems and hymns were often placed in allegory with snars and pitfalls for the profane or the unserious. But the meaning is plain when you read them with your whole heart and mind, as they were written.
Trust me on this. It can be done.
Gott
March 11th, 2004, 06:54 AM
A mythopoetic way of stating he suffered for his knowledge. Your ancestors had reasons for writing these legends, these myths, these lessons.
They wrote them for you.
The meaning of the stories, poems and hymns were often placed in allegory with snars and pitfalls for the profane or the unserious. But the meaning is plain when you read them with your whole heart and mind, as they were written.
Trust me on this. It can be done.
Hiya FranzJosep and Steve,
Most of the stories of Greek and Roman mythology...shit, of most Indo European mythology, exist to do the same thing. They were never intended to be taken as real any more than Grimm's fairy tales were - except perhaps for children and the extremely simple. Who then, in that world of connectiveness to nature and of logic and common sense, could have ever dreamed that one day a nightmare religion would arise that would steal many of the most obvious similes and actual actions and narrations from the old religions and insist on these poetical devices being taken as literal truth?
The exploits of Wotan are all metaphors of course, Steve, clothed in terrific stories. As A.E. and you sometimes point out, christianity is only myth, a series of beautiful myths. Which I will be very amused to see you demonstrate to the other 'christians' around here - how about gabby and saxonrage, for instance? Then come back and tell me what the consensus is amongst you christians, will ya?
Also, while there was much synthesis and cross fertilization between the various myths of many of the old religions, christianity simply stole the stories and the Majesty of the old Gods. And, unlike the old Gods who tended to have rather discriminating standards in their priesthoods and devotees, christianity was open to literally the scum of the earth, making a very successful marketing ploy of recruiting from among just the class (the lowest - slaves and jews) that the other religions wanted no part of, as they had standards. Thus we now have the glorious world of democracy and every man is equal - a world of no standards and the total destruction of all real culture - directly because of christianity. Finally, whether or not one likes or laughs at the stories of Wotan or Apollo or Mithras, one thing the religions of these Gods did not do, that the religion of your God did and does do, is PERSECUTE. The rivers, the oceans, of human blood that have flowed since christianty has taken over the west! If you didn't believe in Wotan, nobody gave a piss, Steve. If you didn't believe in christ - they tortured and then killed you for century on top of century.
88 y'all
Steve B
March 11th, 2004, 06:35 PM
Hiya FranzJosep and Steve,
Most of the stories of Greek and Roman mythology...shit, of most Indo European mythology, exist to do the same thing. They were never intended to be taken as real any more than Grimm's fairy tales were - except perhaps for children and the extremely simple. Who then, in that world of connectiveness to nature and of logic and common sense, could have ever dreamed that one day a nightmare religion would arise that would steal many of the most obvious similes and actual actions and narrations from the old religions and insist on these poetical devices being taken as literal truth?
The exploits of Wotan are all metaphors of course, Steve, clothed in terrific stories. As A.E. and you sometimes point out, christianity is only myth, a series of beautiful myths. Which I will be very amused to see you demonstrate to the other 'christians' around here - how about gabby and saxonrage, for instance? Then come back and tell me what the consensus is amongst you christians, will ya?
Also, while there was much synthesis and cross fertilization between the various myths of many of the old religions, christianity simply stole the stories and the Majesty of the old Gods. And, unlike the old Gods who tended to have rather discriminating standards in their priesthoods and devotees, christianity was open to literally the scum of the earth, making a very successful marketing ploy of recruiting from among just the class (the lowest - slaves and jews) that the other religions wanted no part of, as they had standards. Thus we now have the glorious world of democracy and every man is equal - a world of no standards and the total destruction of all real culture - directly because of christianity. Finally, whether or not one likes or laughs at the stories of Wotan or Apollo or Mithras, one thing the religions of these Gods did not do, that the religion of your God did and does do, is PERSECUTE. The rivers, the oceans, of human blood that have flowed since christianty has taken over the west! If you didn't believe in Wotan, nobody gave a piss, Steve. If you didn't believe in christ - they tortured and then killed you for century on top of century.
88 y'all
Well put Gott... and Franz too. Enlightening posts, both. Especially this sentence: "If you didn't believe in Wotan, nobody gave a piss, Steve. If you didn't believe in christ - they tortured and then killed you for century on top of century."
Gott
March 12th, 2004, 05:17 AM
Flabbyrielle forget to add that jews where behind christianity too.
What...is saxonrage resurrecting 'my farewell' gabby??? Does kikechristianity now have a libber messiah?
Hallstatt
April 30th, 2004, 09:10 AM
We are a warrior people and always have been, but we have been all but defeated by nonwarrior liars and cheaters and our own weakness. Revolutionary violence coming out of our weak position only entombs us in jail hellholes.
This is why we need to build religious values first, we can’t do anything political now. We don’t have the luxury of rushing out as Wotanists--as we have always preferred to do--to try to fight the enemy. Wotan has to retreat and regroup now--not to do so is death to our movement, and perhaps death to our race.
Very soon---if not the next big election---the democratic process will be useless to whites because we will be in a minority---and races vote racially. Remember, we are no longer breeding faster than we are dying.
We can deepen the ideas of Antonio Gramsci: political power is based on religious power. Political structure is the result of religious values, of which the economy, etc. is but one aspect. Religion is the base of cultural power. We have to wage a religious-cultural struggle before the power struggle on the political plane can be resumed.
We must undermine all liberal and globalist values and create new values. All fields, art, economics, even sports must be reinterpreted.
We can reaffirm Nordic values, heroic values, the warrior ethos, updating Wotan, and we must deeply, slowly--and legally--build our religious, hierarchical and meritocratic communities, so that there will be something left and available for our race when conditions are even worse. This is what we are trying to do with The White Temple.
Robert
April 30th, 2004, 10:19 AM
First off, don't underestimate the strength of our position! Many of us indeed have a value system and are engaging the enemy head on politically. We really don't have the luxury of wasting the precious and valuable time that we have left to operate freely. It's no longer 2 minutes to midnite! It's 2 seconds to midnite! Don't procrastinate, there is no tomorrow, there is only Today!
Question:How sure are you that the current Democratic Process isn't already pre-wired for Jewish Success?
Question: Hasn't the democratic process been useless to whites for quite some time now?
My only problem with slowly and legally is this:
Who is making, interpreting, and using the Jewish American LAWS against Whites? If you answered Jews, you are correct.
The Jews simply will not allow you to legally challenge their Royal Racist Jewish Supremacy while they usurp authority and power from historically white institutions and organizations in America. They have been launching subversive attacks on white civilization time and time again through-out the centuries all over the world.
All races are becoming rapidly aware of the true intentions of these Horrible Hebrew Half-breeds. With every non-jew coming over to our side willing to fight against these selfish, greedy, power hungry, and blood thirsty kikes, perhaps we should Create a new Vnn forum just for them. White Separatists helping non-jews break free from Jewish tyranny? Simply preposterous!! Why should whites free non-jews from Jewish Exploitation? Seriously now, why shouldn't we have a place where non-white Vnn Members can help their own tribal people break free from the Jewish bondage that has enslaved them.
Without making any references to whites, we could just call it:
"VNN GLOBAL", "Uncensored discussion for all of the world's NON-JEWISH Cattle, who are being led to the Jewish Slaughterhouse by the billions!
NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT!
Non whites would gladly come to our side, since they hate the jews as much as we do. If the non-whites wish to assist in the extermination of the parasites, should we prevent them or deny them from executing the Justice that the World Demands?
Have you checked out La Raza lately? The Mexicans are rapidly learning to Hate the KIKES! Wouldn't it be a shame to allow all of that energy to be mis-directed?
We are a warrior people and always have been, but we have been all but defeated by nonwarrior liars and cheaters and our own weakness. Revolutionary violence coming out of our weak position only entombs us in jail hellholes.
This is why we need to build religious values first, we can’t do anything political now. We don’t have the luxury of rushing out as Wotanists--as we have always preferred to do--to try to fight the enemy. Wotan has to retreat and regroup now--not to do so is death to our movement, and perhaps death to our race.
Very soon---if not the next big election---the democratic process will be useless to whites because we will be in a minority---and races vote racially. Remember, we are no longer breeding faster than we are dying.
We can deepen the ideas of Antonio Gramsci: political power is based on religious power. Political structure is the result of religious values, of which the economy, etc. is but one aspect. Religion is the base of cultural power. We have to wage a religious-cultural struggle before the power struggle on the political plane can be resumed.
We must undermine all liberal and globalist values and create new values. All fields, art, economics, even sports must be reinterpreted.
We can reaffirm Nordic values, heroic values, the warrior ethos, updating Wotan, and we must deeply, slowly--and legally--build our religious, hierarchical and meritocratic communities, so that there will be something left and available for our race when conditions are even worse. This is what we are trying to do with The White Temple.
Hallstatt
May 1st, 2004, 07:57 AM
Whether it’s two hours or two seconds before midnight the entire global power structure hates white racialists, which means easy destruction of any revolutionary action.
We know the democratic process nolonger works for us, but many of our race will not wake up until they see that voting will no longer help them because voting nonwhites have overwhelmed their vote. We are not talking about politically using the democratic process, but about building a religion alongside or outside the system--building legally--so that there is something our people will need still standing when things become far worse for our race.
First off, don't underestimate the strength of our position! Many of us indeed have a value system and are engaging the enemy head on politically. We really don't have the luxury of wasting the precious and valuable time that we have left to operate freely. It's no longer 2 minutes to midnite! It's 2 seconds to midnite! Don't procrastinate, there is no tomorrow, there is only Today!
Question:How sure are you that the current Democratic Process isn't already pre-wired for Jewish Success?
Question: Hasn't the democratic process been useless to whites for quite some time now?
My only problem with slowly and legally is this:
Who is making, interpreting, and using the Jewish American LAWS against Whites? If you answered Jews, you are correct.
The Jews simply will not allow you to legally challenge their Royal Racist Jewish Supremacy while they usurp authority and power from historically white institutions and organizations in America. They have been launching subversive attacks on white civilization time and time again through-out the centuries all over the world.
All races are becoming rapidly aware of the true intentions of these Horrible Hebrew Half-breeds. With every non-jew coming over to our side willing to fight against these selfish, greedy, power hungry, and blood thirsty kikes, perhaps we should Create a new Vnn forum just for them. White Separatists helping non-jews break free from Jewish tyranny? Simply preposterous!! Why should whites free non-jews from Jewish Exploitation? Seriously now, why shouldn't we have a place where non-white Vnn Members can help their own tribal people break free from the Jewish bondage that has enslaved them.
Without making any references to whites, we could just call it:
"VNN GLOBAL", "Uncensored discussion for all of the world's NON-JEWISH Cattle, who are being led to the Jewish Slaughterhouse by the billions!
NO JEWS, JUST RIGHT!
Non whites would gladly come to our side, since they hate the jews as much as we do. If the non-whites wish to assist in the extermination of the parasites, should we prevent them or deny them from executing the Justice that the World Demands?
Have you checked out La Raza lately? The Mexicans are rapidly learning to Hate the KIKES! Wouldn't it be a shame to allow all of that energy to be mis-directed?
Resistor
May 3rd, 2004, 01:12 AM
Whether it’s two hours or two seconds before midnight the entire global power structure hates white racialists, which means easy destruction of any revolutionary action.
We know the democratic process nolonger works for us, but many of our race will not wake up until they see that voting will no longer help them because voting nonwhites have overwhelmed their vote. We are not talking about politically using the democratic process, but about building a religion alongside or outside the system--building legally--so that there is something our people will need still standing when things become far worse for our race.
IMO today any true religion, righteously practical or not, will be laughed at by at least some of the good people we are trying to reach, unless it is has an extensive European pedigree. This makes me want to check out Mel Gibson's new version of the old Catholic church. Braveheart has resurrected what was scrapped due to "anti-semetic content". This may not be a small development.
Hallstatt
May 3rd, 2004, 06:45 AM
IMO today any true religion, righteously practical or not, will be laughed at by at least some of the good people we are trying to reach, unless it is has an extensive European pedigree. This makes me want to check out Mel Gibson's new version of the old Catholic church. Braveheart has resurrected what was scrapped due to "anti-semetic content". This may not be a small development.
I understand your hope, but Pat Buchanan has long been pushing Gibson's version of the old Catholic church, and although Buchanan is a good man, his Christianity still contains the universalist seeds of our racial destruction.
waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 08:34 AM
I understand your hope, but Pat Buchanan has long been pushing Gibson's version of the old Catholic church, and although Buchanan is a good man, his Christianity still contains the universalist seeds of our racial destruction.
FACT: Traditional Christianity has never advocated or encouraged interracial marriage.
FACT: Races and nations are considered to be divinely created and part of God's plan for salvation. Obviously, destroying these through intermarriage would be contrary to God's plan.
As far as anyone being able to be a Christian, so what? I would rather deal with a non-whitre who was a Christian, than a practitioner of Voodoo.
FranzJoseph
May 3rd, 2004, 05:00 PM
As far as anyone being able to be a Christian, so what? I would rather deal with a non-whitre who was a Christian, than a practitioner of Voodoo.
Trouble with this sort of thinking:
There's lots of WNs who find it lots easier to deal with non-white racial nationalists than any sort of universalist. Personally this is not yet true, but I have had talks with black seperatists who were a whole lot more practical and intelligent than some of the more shrill universalists we've heard from.
But it might get interesting. Consider: If all the true-blue nationalists get together (hell, include the zionists here because they were never even close to universalism) they may actually create a pro-separatist movement among themselves. Based entirely on everyone else's disgust for nationalism.
The really strange part is that it would be the opposite of Freemasonry. Masons require you to believe in one god, nationalists would require a suspicion of all things monotheistic.
Might be fun.
Fredrik Haerne
May 16th, 2004, 03:40 PM
I thought you guys had all died off. By the way no_nomen..Thanks for the "Drug War" its been a total success.
Yes, druglover, we should legalize slow death by idiocy, and also rape and murder since the laws against those crimes haven't eliminated them. Let's start with murdering you. In fact, getting rid of drugs is a piece of cake: you just have an all-White population. Every now and then you may have to kill one or two idiots who behave like subhumans, but generally it's no problem. Witness Sweden before subhumans were let in. The drug problem is a race problem, and the solution is the same: kill the darklings and the race traitors.
Great post Nonomen, good to see you again. Can't use that messenger right now unfortunately, but I hope to have access to it in the summer again.
Hallstatt
May 19th, 2004, 10:13 AM
...Wotan was, is and always shall be the true God of the Aryan people. Wotan has sustained us in the past and will be our strength and victory in the future.
When interested people ask me about my religious project, The White Temple, I usually talk about the dying of the West and the decline of the race that created the West, and how we need something deeper than politics. But when I see that they need something more concrete to help them to understand, I say, “The White Temple is an updated version of our ancestral religion: Wotanism”...then they understand, whether they agree or not.
Wotanism is basically the foundation of everything Nordic. The National Socialist version of racialism was, in my opinion, an updated Wotanism. National Socialism sought, among other things, to take the power away from the degenerate priests and capitalists and reestablish the healthier Warrior mentality.
Adaptation is natural. When Hitler was asked to comment on the Mosley British Union version of his movement in England he thought Mosley should have adapted it to something more British. Hitler didn’t think his organization could be strictly transplanted to another nation.
The warrior ethos is a challenge in an age of weapons of mass destruction, the selection or winnowing process of war has slowed, and along with modern egalitarian medicine, this has stopped our evolution. But Modern technology has not in the least stopped competition between races. And Christianity has been damaging our race since it was first thrust upon us.
We have to adapt the warrior ethos to things like eugenics, genetic engineering, and to modern knowledge in general. But to deny Wotanism is to deny our great grandfathers, our genetic pool, and I will not do that. We still require a Religio-(Odin)-Military-(Thor) hierarchy to save us; I believe that the methods of applying it have to change to our present situation.
Fredrik Haerne
May 19th, 2004, 11:07 AM
FACT: Traditional Christianity has never advocated or encouraged interracial marriage.
FACT: Races and nations are considered to be divinely created and part of God's plan for salvation. Obviously, destroying these through intermarriage would be contrary to God's plan.
Fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say you should not have interracial marriages.
Fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say destroying races through intermarriage would destroy "God's plan".
Uhm, I've seen plenty of mountains that have had tunnels blown through them. Obviously god didn't create those tunnels. Aren't the tunnels contrary to "god's plan" then, since they mean the destruction of something not man-made?
And do you mean destroying races would be "contrary to god's plan"? So if we had the power to wipe Jews and Blacks off the face of the earth, we shouldn't do it, because god has put them here? The Christian showing his true colors! In the choice between religion and race, religion comes first for the true sticklicker. He wants to be rewarded with a trip to heaven, after all.
As far as anyone being able to be a Christian, so what? I would rather deal with a non-whitre who was a Christian, than a practitioner of Voodoo.
Again: obviously religion is more important than race to the sticklicker. I rest my case.
Antiochus Epiphanes
May 19th, 2004, 07:46 PM
Fred, you know that the OT carries on at length about the evils of marrying outside the tribe. The book of Ezra in particular. There was intermarriage between the Samaritans and the Israelites and God told Phineas to punish the miscegenators with death. Phineas ran couple laying together clean through with a lance in a reflection of a mythic pattern which appears elsewhere. I dont have a hard time analogizing that to my own race-nation-tribe.
Also you can interpret the Tower of Babel story as ordaining separate nations. THats in the OT, then in the new you have the injunction "go ye and make believers of all nations" thus implying the legitimacy of national differences. This occurs at the end of the Gospels. Then, in Acts, the disciples receive the ability and admonishment to again speak to the Gentile nations in their own idioms. Ie Pentecost.
Those are all my interpretations which I have shared before. I picked some of this up studying the Christian nationalism of the Boerevolk and the Afrikaaner Broederbund. I've since shared it with many people in the US and found that this is a common understanding among reasonable White Christians.
Steve B
May 19th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say you should not have interracial marriages.
Fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say destroying races through intermarriage would destroy "God's plan".
Uhm, I've seen plenty of mountains that have had tunnels blown through them. Obviously god didn't create those tunnels. Aren't the tunnels contrary to "god's plan" then, since they mean the destruction of something not man-made?
And do you mean destroying races would be "contrary to god's plan"? So if we had the power to wipe Jews and Blacks off the face of the earth, we shouldn't do it, because god has put them here? The Christian showing his true colors! In the choice between religion and race, religion comes first for the true sticklicker. He wants to be rewarded with a trip to heaven, after all.
Again: obviously religion is more important than race to the sticklicker. I rest my case.
Well Fredrik you couldn't be more wrong! God made the races, man made the mud. Why would God make separate races just to have them intermarry? Makes no sense to me!
As AE has correctly pointed out, the OT clearly goes overboard in the matter of race mixing. In fact the bible speaks of the race mixing that went on between the "sons of God" and "daughters of men" as the major reason for the flood. Yahweh be super pissed at dat shit!
Also, for those who have a smidge of grey matter....The Old and New Testament are full of metaphors, allegory's and parables relating to "The Tree". Ever searched your family "tree", Fred? 'The tree" in biblical language has a racial context. For example, the Assyrians are Cedars (Ezekiel 31), The Olive Tree stands for Israel (Romans 11) and the Fig tree......well you figure that one out!
Point being....race is clearly mentioned throughout the bible and intermarriage of races is a big doo-wacky no no, according to the Big guy!
Fredrik Haerne
May 21st, 2004, 01:43 PM
Sorry, I was unclear: the Bible doesn't speak out against miscegenation, only miscegenation when Jews are involved. God's Pets must remain pure. The rest can and will go to hell, it seems. And so that Redbeard quote seems more relevant than ever: a book that tells Jews to keep it pure has nothing to do with the rest of us.
As for the Tower of Babel, it doesn't warn against miscegenation; it warns against trying to usurp God.
Antiochus Epiphanes
May 21st, 2004, 02:14 PM
you guys insist on Biblical literalism because without it, your points are greatly diminished. For example, Is it so hard to understand the tribalism of the OT isrealites as a metaphor for other tribes such as our own? I dont think so.
As for "poisoning another generation of aryan minds," I suspect that the Bible is here to stay. So either some of us learn to use it and play our tune on it, or we will keep on getting whipped by the Jews who for the past forty years have been playing Christian churches like klezmer. That's your choice. I think the sorts of criticisms of christianity that are being made here are thought provoking and in many cases correct. However when it comes to the idea of completely abandoning Christianity that is a big fat strategic error.
It's about as big of an error as the idea of abandoning all national entities etc and the general "head for the hills" mentality that dominates American racialism or whatever you want to call it. Randy Weaver stuff. No, instead of always pulling out and running off, we ought to find ways to infiltrate coopt recruit in the organziations and institutions in which we find ourselves including Christian churches, but I might say the same thing of people who work for the government and so forth.
Fredrik Haerne
May 21st, 2004, 02:58 PM
you guys insist on Biblical literalism because without it, your points are greatly diminished. For example, Is it so hard to understand the tribalism of the OT isrealites as a metaphor for other tribes such as our own? I dont think so.
But it is only the Jews that are Chosen, not all tribes. There are special rules and privileges and duties for Jews. That's what Judaism is all about. And the Old Testament contains some of that. There is nothing literalistic about it, it's the way it is.
And yes, a great deal would be accomplished if people simply stopped caring about religion, and that is entirely possible. Most Jews are atheists for example, right? And you would be hard-pressed to find a West European town with as much Christian belief as you would find in the average American town. (Can't speak for Eastern Europe, so I keep my examples limited)
If some people need spiritual food, just about any stories will do, and they don't actually have to believe in them. Mass produce Icelandic sagas in the U.S. and you got something. I'm telling you, those stories are wonderful. Other Scandinavian stories too. Or why not stories about the Olympic gods. And a bonus with these stories is that noone will actually believe the gods described in them are real, so you avoid that danger.
FREY
May 24th, 2004, 11:54 PM
The other problem is even when christinsanity goes out the door, there is still the mess it left behind. Now we have secular christianity as the new state religion. That is why new leaders will have to ruthless in ripping the whole non Aryan mess out of the west. It all started in the west with christianity. Why bitch about liberalism or other pc systems when they are off shoots of the jesus cult.
The reason christianity will not save or maintain the race is because it is jewish/marxist in its core beliefs. If you want a alien influence/jew free Aryan society it is pointless if your going to keep christinsanity.
That why I laugh when I here the pathetic excuse "christianity fought the jews" LOL christianity judizied our society and race. People point out that jews have been behind most of the social ills of our race. Christianity was the first and big one they were behind. Saul was the trotski of his day and jewsus was the carl marxs of the ancient world.
The Havamal is a better way of how to live then the crap in the jew testiment.
Great posts everyone. I see this from all angles. On one hand we can't abandon christianity, not now anyway, because too many of our people still believe it. On the other hand I'm not going to give up on the religion of our ancestors. One pifall is if you explain what the jews have done and are currently doing to our people to someone, sooner or later they will ask "well what is your religion?" If you respond "I'm christian" They will reply "jesus was a jew" End of conversation. If you say "jesus was against the jews" reply ??? Quite frankly if you tell him you are an atheist, it scares them. If you don't believe me, say it to someone sometime. Whether you are or not an atheist doesn't matter. Always remind yourself that these people don't know what we know. Most are absolutely clueless. If you respond "I'm a Wotanist" they might be interested with what else you might have to say. They might look into the subject further. Another response might be "I'm undecided on religion, I'm still searching" They might sense weakness. They will say "well I'll pray for you" in a condencending manner. Either way, the subject of religion will always come up.
Fredrik Haerne
May 25th, 2004, 10:33 AM
Great posts everyone. I see this from all angles. On one hand we can't abandon christianity, not now anyway, because too many of our people still believe it.
Good post. But think about this. What does "not abandon Christianity" mean in reality? Would you give money to a Christian organization? Would you wrap your arguments in religion, when you can simply state them without involving religion? Would you join a Christian anti-immigration organization (if any such exists) when you could simply join a non-religious anti-immigration organization instead, and get as much or more done?
If your answer is "no" to these questions, then you see, it is possible to abandon Christianity and get just as much work done. Or more.
FREY
May 25th, 2004, 05:40 PM
Good post. But think about this. What does "not abandon Christianity" mean in reality? Would you give money to a Christian organization? Would you wrap your arguments in religion, when you can simply state them without involving religion? Would you join a Christian anti-immigration organization (if any such exists) when you could simply join a non-religious anti-immigration organization instead, and get as much or more done?
If your answer is "no" to these questions, then you see, it is possible to abandon Christianity and get just as much work done. Or more.
No, I do not and will not contribute to any church. As we all know they suck up to the jews and bring in all the filth of the world to make up for the vacume from the white flight christians. I just heard on the radio the other day(SRN news) that christian marriages are failing more than non-christian marriages. I don't know what to think about that. Something isn't right somewhere. We know it more than the "lemmings" Will they awaken? I don't know.
Anyway, what I meant was that christianity may serve a purpose. I just don't know how. As I said, the subject of religion will always come up. If it can be avoided, I would say avoid it.
I would personally join a non-christian org, simply to get around the various pitfalls, sell all you have and give it the poor, love your enemies etc. However, the christains have much more people than we do. If we could only steer them in the right direction.............
Antiochus Epiphanes
May 26th, 2004, 01:01 PM
Good post. But think about this. What does "not abandon Christianity" mean in reality? Would you give money to a Christian organization? Would you wrap your arguments in religion, when you can simply state them without involving religion? Would you join a Christian anti-immigration organization (if any such exists) when you could simply join a non-religious anti-immigration organization instead, and get as much or more done?
If your answer is "no" to these questions, then you see, it is possible to abandon Christianity and get just as much work done. Or more.
particular individuals can certainly abandon such organizations in favor of others. Social connectedness in the absence of common "faith" has been one of the biggest problems of people of European ancestry since the Reformation. I dont think a satisfactory solution has been reached, but if anybody has it here they are welcome to go out and implement it. Millions of atomized Whites are craving spiritual fulfillment and social connectedness that has been missing from much "Christianity."
meanwhile, consider this for a moment. particularly Americans who are in a somewhat different social positon that Euros. Where can you find accumulations of hundreds of non-Jew, non-black White folks of substantial means with families, gathered on a regular basis for something beyond mere individualist, material concerns? One place and one place only: Christian Churches. The salesman for WN who wanted to efficiently locate such a demographic potentially ripe for WN message would act accordingly.
Where else can you find such in America? Maybe the only other place would be colleges.
Efficiently, inexpensively hitting large numbers of people with a message is part of the way "advertising" is done effectively. Consider our results to date as to whether or not WN has been "effective."
Fredrik Haerne
May 26th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Social connectedness we get through the race. People want symbols? Give them the sun cross (Sweden), the Danebrog (Denmark), the Tricoleur (France), the Stars and Stripes or the Stars and Bars. Plenty of myth and spirituality in that -- the history, the blood, the songs, the heroes. Ahh, bliss!
And you know the stories are true, unlike the stories in a religious book from another people.
Where can you find accumulations of hundreds of non-Jew, non-black White folks of substantial means with families, gathered on a regular basis for something beyond mere individualist, material concerns? One place and one place only: Christian Churches.
Yes, but how do you talk to them there? The padre won't let you stand up and address the congregation: "Brothers and sisters, I would like to take a moment to address the Jewish Question...."
Probably a heavy metal concert is a better place to hand out material to Whites. Viking Rock has done a great job in activating young Scandinavians in the nineties and onward.
Antiochus Epiphanes
May 26th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Maybe I am Jarl. Need I report it to smartass you as if you were my boss? I dont think so. I do plenty I dont report and what I do report is to your betters. However, you look like you're coming along now. Keep up the good work, a few sentences here and there between all those silly assed pictures kind of makes your posts worth reading.
btw. Why dont you go join your local wiccans barking at the moon and see if they all want to discuss the Jewish question? Ah, we know why. 1) there arent any such other than a handful here and there, and 2) they dont want to be associated with a bunch of "racists" as they are carpet munching lesbian earthgoddess types and not Katya Lanes!
Need I point out that there are antiracist Asatruars? Google it for yourself if you think I'm kidding. They're not immune from modern bullshite just because they beat drums and drink mead.
Fredrik Haerne
May 26th, 2004, 06:56 PM
There will always be deviants. But as far as religions go, there is none Whiter and more anti-darklings than Asatro. An anti-nationalist wouldn't wear Mjölner in Sweden or neighboring countries, that's for sure. The whole point with displaying viking symbols is to show your racialism. So out of all Odinists in the world the fake ones can't be more than 0.01 percent at the most. And even with that few of them, their websites would still show up in a search.
But Asatro is not a way to make people nationalist, since noone will actually believe the gods exist and hand down racialist commandments that you have to obey. No, Asatro is a spiritual thing for those who already are nationalist. A way to connect them with their ancestors, and to fill the need for spirituality for those who have that need.
Steve B
May 26th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Oh my! Looks like the images from all those Christian Organizations that support Israel touched a very raw nerve with A&E.
Well A&E, why do you "shoot the messenger"?
I am only reporting the news for the benifit of my Aryan Kin.
Why don't you take the matter up with your "Brothers in Christ" that are fully responsible for them?
Go With The Winning Team!
YHVH COMMANDS:
"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work!
A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! "
Jeremiah 48:10 (NIV)
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70 million U.S. Christians and 600 million worldwide
The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
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Woah!!!!! Jarl broke his record!!! Boy strung 5...yes 5 sentences together, beating his old record of 4!!!
Outstanding Jarl!!! The VNNF members commend you!!! You are now a worthy and qualified debating adversary!!
Looking forward to those kooky pictures and annoying colored fonts of yours!
Sean Martin
July 10th, 2004, 07:06 AM
Religion: Gateway to the Mind
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The preacher will not tell his followers to go out and
explore all religions, all philosophies, all science disciplines and then
make a considered judgment.
http://pyramidprophecy.net/gatesofthemind.htm
I tell mine exactly that, if you find something better than what I teach than go for it.
traveling 1,000 mph, which would obliterate the earth's land masses.
wouldn't that be 19,000 miles to be exact and here I thought Atheists were supposed to be scientific.
only Christianity was constucted from
the beginning as a tool for tyrants.
If it is so powerful and forceful then why not jump on the bandwagon and go overthrow something?
History shows that Christians have always prevailed and have never been beaten.
Christianity brought torture,
murder, war, inquisitions, insanity, misery, [B]slavery, superstition,
ignorance and the Dark Ages.
You against slavery?
Wotan was, is and always shall be the true God of the Aryan people.
Wotan has sustained us in the past and will be our strength and
victory in the future.
Than tell him to get down here and bail us out, we are not doing to good at the moment.
LindaLou
July 11th, 2004, 11:43 AM
Christianity is based on nothing more than a myth.
There IS no scientific evidence that has ever proven anything to be EXACT or historical about christianity! Little tidbits throughout time is not enough to prove anything.
Christians believe what they believe because of "Faith".......HA! I don't need to go there with that one. :D
I also find it very interesting that none of the great Romans ever mention Jesus at all!
Fredrik Haerne
July 11th, 2004, 11:50 AM
History shows that Christians have always prevailed and have never been beaten.
Would have been beaten by the Mongols unless their khan had died, forcing their leaders to return to base to choose a new one. And the Huns and Moors and Ottomans beat quite a few Christians as well. And White Christians are being beaten everywhere on earth today: there is no country on the planet where Christianity has stopped miscegenation. In Europe, the percentage of Christians is decreasing, while the percentage of Muslims is increasing.
If I thought there was a god, I'd say he seems to hate Whites. He allows us to be killed off and rendered powerless. He allows Jews to ride high, better off in AmeriKwa than they have ever been, with their White enemies beaten bloody and almost without followers.
He allows a four-year-old White girl to be gang-raped by howling niggers, until she dies from it.
Where is God's love for Whites? Isn't it obvious he loves niggers and Jews?
Anima Eternae
July 20th, 2004, 02:47 AM
God or no, it's obvious he/she/it/they don't play a personal or active role in the world. That's why...
. He allows Jews to ride high, better off in AmeriKwa than they have ever been, with their White enemies beaten bloody and almost without followers.
He allows a four-year-old White girl to be gang-raped by howling niggers, until she dies from it.
History is what men make of it. Religion may influence these men, but no supernatural deity is willfully altering the world.
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FREY
July 21st, 2004, 10:34 PM
Would have been beaten by the Mongols unless their khan had died, forcing their leaders to return to base to choose a new one. And the Huns and Moors and Ottomans beat quite a few Christians as well. And White Christians are being beaten everywhere on earth today: there is no country on the planet where Christianity has stopped miscegenation. In Europe, the percentage of Christians is decreasing, while the percentage of Muslims is increasing.
If I thought there was a god, I'd say he seems to hate Whites. He allows us to be killed off and rendered powerless. He allows Jews to ride high, better off in AmeriKwa than they have ever been, with their White enemies beaten bloody and almost without followers.
He allows a four-year-old White girl to be gang-raped by howling niggers, until she dies from it.
Where is God's love for Whites? Isn't it obvious he loves niggers and Jews?
Good post. If there is a god/esses I simply can't see that they would allow everything that is going on to our people. If Wotan is sleeping, he'd better wake the fuck up, and soon.
Der kleine Doktor
July 24th, 2004, 08:54 PM
My opinion is that there is no God(s). I think nature created human existance just like every other thing on this earth. A lot of my religious beliefs are based on Nietzscheian philosophy. I am not too nihilistic, but more so on his view on religion.
Volgoth212
July 25th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Gods exist what's interesting you really believe things if there are many followers also believe in the same things...metaphysics. Than it is very real.
LindaLou
April 7th, 2006, 03:06 AM
Gods exist what's interesting you really believe things if there are many followers also believe in the same things...metaphysics. Than it is very real.
Then what you are saying is that God only exist in your mind.
FranzJoseph
April 7th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Then what you are saying is that God only exist in your mind.
You might be a long time waiting for an answer.
Volgoth212 last posted on January 22, 2005.
Abzug Hoffman
August 6th, 2006, 08:09 AM
"The Mind" is the same thing as "God". Man cannot understand them.
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