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Abzug Hoffman
10-09-2004, 11:43 PM
"Odinism has no special value structure but holds to the value system taught by all world religions." - from the Oregon Department of Corrections' web page on Asatru/Odinism.
albion
10-10-2004, 07:10 AM
>>"The information on Asatru/Odinism has been provided by a recognized community resource for this faith. This information is not endorsed by the Oregon Department of Corrections, nor does it constitute Oregon Department of Corrections policy."<<
It means whatever the "community resource" wants it to mean. There's a lot more than that in the Handbook of Religious Beliefs (http://egov.oregon.gov/DOC/TRANS/religious_services/rs_handbook01.shtml)
Mission statement for the Religious Services Division
>>"The mission of the Religious Services Division is to provide a spiritual environment within the Oregon Department of Corrections that will model, promote, and encourage individuals to develop spiritually toward a redemptive and rehabilitative end."<<
http://egov.oregon.gov/DOC/TRANS/religious_services/rs_vision00.shtml
Whirlwind
10-10-2004, 08:27 AM
It means the Oregon Department of Corrections didn't care much about getting good info. Not exactly in their best interests to help with an understanding of Odinism.
Abzug Hoffman
10-10-2004, 12:34 PM
[QUOTE=IronWorker]
Instead of getting information about Odinism from an organization that has almost no use or motivation for gaining an understanding of it, why not use some of the many Odinist links that can be found just right here in the Religion forum that have been put up here by Odinists themselves.[/QUOTE]
I found that prison site while looking for a certain quote I had seen the other day at an Odinism site. The Odinist quote was something like "We have no special rites, rituals, beliefs and nothing is forbidden."
Sounds the same as One World judaeo-'spirituality' to me.
Antiochus Epiphanes
10-11-2004, 12:27 PM
I dont think they are a relevant source but I think the Asatru Alliance is. They are anti-nazi or whatever you want to call it.
But it just goes to show that every institution is liable to joining the agenda of the bad guys, and every institution needs protection against them.
Abzug Hoffman
10-11-2004, 08:36 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I dont think they are a relevant source but I think the Asatru Alliance is. They are anti-nazi or whatever you want to call it.
But it just goes to show that every institution is liable to joining the agenda of the bad guys, and every institution needs protection against them.[/QUOTE]
A nation of kids raised in this manner would be an evil government's dream come true:
From Asatru Alliance:
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GOOD AND EVIL?
Good and evil are not constants. What is good in one case will not be good in another, and evil in one circumstance will not be evil under a different set of conditions. In any one instance, the right course of action will have been shaped by the influence of the past and the present. The result may or may not be "good" or "evil", but it will still be the right action.
In no case are good and evil dictated to us by the edicts of an alien, authoritarian deity, as in the Middle East. We are expected to use our freedom, responsibility, and awareness of duty to serve the highest and best ends.
albion
10-17-2004, 01:07 AM
Volksfront out of Portland, Oregon offers informational booklets to prisoners on Asatru-Odinism.
http://www.volksfront-usa.org/asatru.shtml
Introduction to Asatru Booklet
http://www.volksfront-usa.org/images/introtoasatrubooklet.gif
Suggested Donation: $5.00 (postage included)
*Free to Political Prisoners
16 pages. Printed in USA. Covers basic Runes, the Gods & Goddesses of Asatru, Old Norse terms, excerpts from the Havamal, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act and more.
Abzug Hoffman
10-17-2004, 09:47 AM
I hope they checked their facts more carefully than they did the punctuation.
Volksfront on Zionism and Israel
Volksfront views Israel as a criminal racist state which is conducting systematic genocide of the indigenous Palestinian people. Zionism influences most major governments and international organizations. Zionism is the belief that the Jews are god's "chosen" people and that Jews must dominate world culture, economics, media, government and religion. Zionism is the international support system which props up the criminal and racist government of Israel. We demand freedom and a return of Israel and all areas occupied by Jewish forces to the Palestinian people. Volksfront supports all Palestinian freedom organizations. The influence of Zionist groups in North American government is dominating our way of life. Zionists back current legislature banning certain firearms, promoting abortion (although Jews are against abortion for their own people), the increase in governmental police power to stop pro-White and pro-freedom orgaizations. They welcome foreign immigration which they feel will suppress our people's ability to oppose them. Zionism also promotes the myth of six million Jews being killed in the mythical holocaust. Pre-war census figures of Europe put the number of Jews in Occupied Europe at under 5 million. After the war over 1.5 million Jews emmigrated to Israel from Europe, approximately 1 million emmigrated to the United States, near 2 million remained in Europe. Holocaust reparations are Israels number one source of funding. The holocaust has been extremely profitable for the Israeli state. Israel officially lowered it's death count of the holocaust to 1.6 million yet U.S. Zionists still promote the six million myth. The holocaust is a genius propaganda operation which has funneled trillions of dollars to the Israeli government. Volksfront does not hate the individual Jew, we oppose international Zionism and Israel.
Antiochus Epiphanes
10-19-2004, 05:38 PM
from the booklet:
Asatru (Old Norse Asa-Tru) means faith/loyaltly to the gods, the Asa gods, or Aesir as they are commonly known. Asatru feels that the gods as we picture them represent cetain archetypes and manifestations of the Folkish soul. Few Asatruar/Odinists actually feel the gods are actually conscious entities with physical form. Valhalla is where 1/2 of the honorable battle-slain are taken to spend time till Ragnarok, the final battle between gods, men, and Jotuns (Giants) who represent natural hostile elements and dishonor. Asatru honors ones ancestors and folk highly. One basic premise of Asatru is that the gods reside in the collective soul of our Folk, those not of the folk have different spiritual manifestations and a different collective folk soul. Here are the ten noble virtues of ASATRU, the tenth is credited to the Godi of Donar's Hearth Kindred of Odinic Rite. The Noble Virtues
COURAGE
TRUTH
HONOUR
FIDELITY
DISCIPLINE
HOSPITALITY
INDUSTRIOUSNESS
SELF-RELIANCE
PERSEVERANCE
SELF-SACRIFICE
The Nine Charges
1. To maintain candour and fidelity in love and devotion to the tried friend: though he strike me I will do him no scathe.
2. Never to make wrongsome oath: for great and grim is the reward for the breaking of plighted troth.
3. To deal not hardly with the humble and the lowly.
4. To remember the respect that is due to great age.
5. To suffer no evil to go unremedied and to fight against the enemies of Faith, Folk and Family: my foes I will fight in the field, nor will I stay to be burnt in my house.
6. To succour the friendless but to put no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people.
7. If I hear the fool's word of a drunken man I will strive not: for many a grief and the very death groweth from out such things.
8. To give kind heed to dead men: straw dead, sea dead or sword dead.
9. To abide by the enactments of lawful authority and to bear with courage the decrees of the Norns.
*10. To give all neccesary to obtain wisdom, honor, and victory; even at cost of life and limb.
Abzug Hoffman
10-20-2004, 01:08 PM
This is not religion though. This is just boy scout type stuff. Religion has to do with Good and Evil in this world and the Otherworld. The jewish and jew trained psychiatrists replaced "God" and "the soul" with the subconscious and the archetypes. I think you know this.
I could list out what they teach in multicult diversity workshops and call that a religion, but it is only social conditioning.
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