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no_nomen
December 3rd, 2003, 12:41 AM
A conversation about prohibitive gun laws prompted me
to post this analysis of the incompatible difference between
Roman (Christian) Law and Aryan (German) Ethics/Law.

Someone I have a great deal of respect for remarked:

Christianity has pushed so many foreign values upon us.
Our culture has, for a very very long time, been a Judaised
culture. We lost our real culture hundreds of years ago with
the death of the pagans.

With the values of our ancestors, there is no need for laws,
as everyone is too damn afraid of losing their honour!

(The Incompatability Of) Christianity and Aryan Ethics (Laws)
David Myatt

If we consider just one realm - the realm of Justice - we shall easily understand the fundamental difference between the Aryan way, and the way of Christianity.

For any way of life - religion or philosophy - the notion, the concept, of Justice depends upon the morality of that way of life. That is, its derives from the ethics of that way.

For the Aryan, Justice derives from, and depends upon, personal honour. That is, Justice is living, dependent upon honourable, noble, individuals and existing in those honourable, noble, individuals. Hence the great importance which the way of the Aryan places upon individual character: upon building and maintaining individual character; with accepting and allowing for individual difference and respecting the honour, the rights, of other individuals. Hence the importance of allowing individuals to defend their own honour in a practical way, through such things as duels, and trial by combat.

And this respect for the honour, the character, of the individual is the basis, the beginning, of true freedom, as evident for example in the folk-communities of Ancient Greece.

In essence, this way of personal honour, this respect for individual character, this desire to create noble, honourable, character through practical tests such as combat and war, is the way of the noble warrior.

For Christianity, Justice is abstract, ultimately deriving from God. This led to the concept of Justice which still underlies all Western nations: the idea that Justice can exist in some law, some statute, in some judgement given by some individual (a "Judge") or some "Court of Law", for all these impersonal, Institutional things, derive their ultimate authority either from God, some appointed representative of God, such as a monarch, or some Institution which relies and has relied upon Christian ethics.

Thus, one had the disastrous monarchies of Europe imposing their ruthless dictatorships upon the people for century after century due to the Christian notion of divine right: that is, justifying their rule (which was often assumed by force of arms) through Christian ethics. This gave them an absolute power so that Justice was said to be the Justice of the monarch, with officials appointed by the monarch to enforce this "justice". Thus the individual became more and more powerless and had to rely on the King, or his appointees, for "Justice". Justice was transfered from the people, from individuals, to the Crown.

In later times in Europe, these abstract concepts were merely transferred to the State, with Governments, and elected officials (such as the Police) appropriating to themselves the right to decide what is lawful and what is unlawful.

That is, the power of Justice is taken away from the individual, and resided and resides in some abstract law, or some "Court of Law". Thus we have Governments, and their appointees such as the Police, saying un-Aryan things like "No one can take the law into their own hands" whereas according to the Aryan way a noble, honourable, individual is Justice, is the law. That is, according to Aryan ethics, a man who lives by honour, who is known by the folk to be honourable, whose honour has been proved through his deeds, his life, is an example of Justice: and is Justice. There is thus no need for legislation, for a multitude of laws and for "Courts of Law" where so-called "experts" are needed to argue for and against the accused. Justice, for the Aryan, is a question of honour.
In the Aryan way, Justice is human, and flexible. In the Christian way, Justice is abstract, and unbending, and in fact inhuman.

In summation, Christianity has been an unmitigated disaster. As Nietzsche and others understood, it robbed us for centuries of our true identity, our true Aryan, Hellenic, ethos: of the "harvest, the fruits, of Hellenic culture".
Even the Renaissance - that great re-discovery of part of our heritage - became stifled because of the counter-attacks by Christianity: what renaissance there was, occurred within the confines of the Christian way of thinking, of living, so that instead of a liberation from the abstract way of Christianity with its abstract "justice" and its lack of understanding of the folk, of Nature, its abject arrogance toward the nexus, there was only a slight awakening of our Aryan spirit, our Aryan ethos.

Indeed, we had to wait until this present century - until the glorious advent of Fascism and National-Socialism - for our Aryan ethos to begin to manifest itself again on a large scale.

Even the Renaissance might not have occurred were it not for Islam. For most of the fruits of Hellenic culture were saved by Muslims, and thence re-introduced into Europe. For centuries, Christianity saught to destroy our Hellenic heritage, our pagan understanding, and thus the fruits of ancient Greece and Rome, and in many ways it was only the Muslim conquest of Spain, and the coming together in places like Andalusia of Muslim and Christian scholars, that enabled Europe to rediscover Greek and Roman literature, history, science and mathematics.

We must have or develope, the insight, the courage, to understand Christianity and act upon that understanding.

What many so-called Christian nationalist movements and martyrs achieved, they achieved not because of Christianity, but in spite of Christianity, and while they are many things of beauty and nobility which Christianity inspired in our people (one thinks here of the music of JS Bach) how much more could have been achieved, how much greater could the true numen be represented through some cultural or artistic form, if there had been an Aryan ethos inspiring our people!

Of course, Christianity, like Islam, can be said to have in some ways made this world a better place. But that does not alter the fact that as a way of living, of thinking, of being, it is anti-Aryan and indeed anti-evolutionary, and that, on balance, it has probably done far more harm than good.

The two ways of viewing the world, of understanding our relation to other human beings, to Nature, to the cosmos - the Christian and the Aryan - are not only different, but irreconcilable.

Christianity is a prophetic way of thinking, based upon a primitive homocentric (and thus anti-racial) view of the world, whereas the Aryan way is the way of reason, of experiment, of discovery, based as this Aryan way is upon a natural, a cosmic, a folk, view of the world.

We now have the ability, the opportunity, of consciously understanding our unique Aryan way of life, and of deciding whether we wish to follow this way.
To return to Christianity - in whatever form - is quite simply wrong: the negation of thousands of years of conscious understanding; the negation of thousands of years of culture and civilization.

To choose Christianity, in whatever form and for whatever reason, is to choose the old, primitive, homocentric ethics with its inhuman, abstract "justice".
To choose the Aryan way of life is to choose the new ethics of the cosmos, of the folk, of the nexus, with its human and civilizing concept of honour, and with its evolutionary idealism of duty to the folk, duty to Nature, and duty to the cosmos itself.

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" I will not walk beside this animal for it mocks me with it's
human appearance whilst choosing to remain entirely bestial. "

Don Cossack
December 6th, 2003, 11:37 PM
"In Christ, the embodiment of all manliness, we find all that we need. And if we occasionally speak of Baldur, our words always contain some joy, some satisfaction, that our pagan ancestors were already so Christian as to have indications of Christ in this ideal figure."
--Dietrich Eckart

"Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite of Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race among the races of the earth...Christ is the great enemy of the Jews...that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was shaking the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is the lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting truth for the first time in history."
--Joseph Goebbels

"The Struggle we are now waging today untill victory or the bitter end is, in its deepest sense, a struggle between Christ and Marx."
--Joseph Goebbels

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls...We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity...in fact our movment is Christian."
--Adolf Hitler, October 27 1928


Yeah, National Socialism and Christianity are incompatible.

no_nomen
December 6th, 2003, 11:48 PM
.

Seems some thought so:

WHY in the world would a Good Christian Pastor travel all
over England and America trying get Christians and others to
Assassinate Adolf Hitler?

Direct quotes from christian sources,
____________
. Dietrich Bonhoeffer Home Page http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/


"Hitler must be assassinated for the sake of Christianity"


"He boldly advocated that Hitler must be assassinated
for the sake of Christianity and mankind."

(The Plot To Assassinate Adolph Hitler) - "THE BONHOEFFER LEGACY"

"Bonhoeffer: Agent of Grace"

"As a young professor, Bonhoeffer adopted the rare position
of pacifism, based on his reading of the Sermon on the Mount."

"He wanted the ecumenical church to be an international
peacemaking community."

"Bonhoeffer confronted and repudiated racism in America
in 1930-31, and especially in the racial anti-Semitism of
the Third Reich."

"Churches and societies that transcend the divisiveness of
racism and nationalism reflect Bonhoeffer's spirit."

"The Jewish German pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer founded the
Confessing Church and encouraged the German conspirators
to overthrow Hitler and the Nazi regime."

"He boldly advocated that Hitler must be assassinated
for the sake of Christianity and mankind."

....... http://www.whiterevolution.com/forum14/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10194/normal_church-us.jpg

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Don Cossack
December 7th, 2003, 12:18 AM
.

Seems some thought so:

WHY in the world would a Good Christian Pastor travel all
over England and America trying get Christians and others to
Assassinate Adolf Hitler?

Yes, you're talking about one person here. You seem to forget the amount of support Hitler and the NS party recieved from Germany's Christian churches. Martin Luther was hailed by the NS leadership as one of the greatest Germans who ever lived.

Scheman, who was head of the NS Student League, declared that for a dedicated National Socialist, his god was Christ and his politics was the Fatherland!

Streicher made it clear that the example of Jesus must be taught to German children, for he whipped and drove the Jews from the Temple.

Even for all his anti-Christian feeling, Henrich Himmler forbade SS officers from ever making negative remarks about Jesus the man himself.

Even in his "Myth of the 20th Century", Alfred Rosenberg states that his main beef is not with Jesus the man, but for those who perverted his teachings later on. In fact he even later admitted that his famous work was not calling for the destruction of Christianity, but for a radical revision of Christianity.

In other words, theres no evidence that much of the National Socialist leadership was anti-Christian. There was an anti-Christian faction, but overall the real big shots(including Hitler himself) were firm admirers of Jesus and believed he was the Savior. In fact, Hitler and many NS leaders would be appalled by the extreme anti-Christianity expressed by many so-called "National Socialists".


....... http://www.whiterevolution.com/forum14/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10194/normal_church-us.jpg


Yes and Hitler remarks in his table talks that Roosevelt is the biggest hypocrite because he thinks he's such a good Christian yet is attacking Germany, a nation absolutely devoted to Christian ideals.

no_nomen
December 7th, 2003, 12:32 AM
Even...Alfred Rosenberg states...his famous work was not calling
for the destruction of Christianity, but for a radical revision of Christianity.

Yes, and the following will show just how the National
Socialists of Germany revised Christianity in 1936:

We could probably go on with this forever....



Deutsche Glaubensbewegung
(German Faith Movement)

In 1936 the National Reich Church was established, and in it
only national orators of the Reich were allowed to speak:

Reich Church Bishop Ludwig Müller

· The National Reich Church demands an immediate stop
to the printing and sale of the Bible in Germany.

· The National Reich Church will remove from the altars of
all churches the Bible, the cross, and religious objects.

· Mercy is an un German conception. The word mercy is one of
the numerous terms of the bible with which we can have nothing to do.

· On the altars there must be nothing but My Struggle, and
to the left of this a sword.



...........http://www.whiterevolution.com/forum14/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10194/normal_bothlost.jpg
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Grand_Inquisitor
December 7th, 2003, 02:15 AM
Cultists...

waj44
April 30th, 2004, 04:19 PM
.

"He wanted the ecumenical church to be an international
peacemaking community."

"Ecumenical church" - that's liberalism. That's anti-Christian.

waj44
May 2nd, 2004, 04:47 PM
:)

A church that's good for white people [the Race] at last!

All this anti-Christian nazi rhetoric maybe shows why the nazis were utterly crushed and the NS movement of today is a pathetic parody of what it once was. Maybe if they hadn't become anti-Christian they would have won.

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 07:56 AM
That's why 30-50 million whites were killed by Christians.

:(

Who are you talking about. the Germans? If so, they died because of Hitler and his people.

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 07:58 AM
I always laugh when I see a christlings point of view it is most of the time very lame. When I start to feel maybe I could easy up on the christlings I always see or hear some moronic christcunt spew forth some absurdity. And that brings me back.lol

Tell us, what have you don't for the white race? I'm just curious.

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 04:03 PM
What has jewuss done for the white race but help to kill it? And the rest of your post does not make sense. But then again you are a christling.

I'm asking you, since you apparently have all the answers - so much so that practically every sentence you type literally drips with condescension and arrogance. You must be a great man, so what have you done in your life to help the race? I just want to know how inferior I am in comparison.

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 08:37 PM
And I want to know what jesus and christianity are doing for the better of our race? Since you christians always apparently have all the answers or so you say.

Since you seem to be feeling that Im putting you down. Do you suffer from the low self-esteem that most christians do? If you feel your inferior then you do not need me to gage it for you.

As for words that drips with condescension and arrogance not to mention hate your bibble are full of those. Maybe you should get a self help book since you feel everone is putting you down all the time. lol

Its obvious you are avoiding my simple and straightforward question:

What have you done for the white race?

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 09:09 PM
WHJD ? LOL

Salvation is of the Jews

You are misinterpreting that statement. You misinterpretation cannot be reconciled with the traditional Christian teaching on the Jews:

THE APOSTASY OF THE JEWS

There is no doubt that the prophets of the Old Testament foretold God's rejection of the Jews. "That the Jews, according to what to what had been foreseen, have departed from God and have lost His favor," wrote St. Cyprian of Carthage in Testamonies Against the Jews, "which in times past had been given to them and had been promised to them; but the Christians have succeeded to their place, deserving well of the Lord by faith, andcoming out of all the nations and from the whole world."

The Jews were repudiated by God because they turned from Christ. "He came to His Own and they recieved Him not." (John 1:11). "For they that dwell at Jerusalem and their rulers," said the Apostle Paul, "because they knew Him not, nor the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled their words by condemning Him," the Apostle continues, "yet they urged Pilate to kill Him. And when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, He was taken down from the tree and layed in a sepulchre." (Act 13:27-28). But their hope was frustrated for "the God of our fathers raised Jesus Who you killed by hanging Him on a tree." (Acts 5:30). "Therefore, let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, That same Jesus Whom you crucified"(Acts 2:36).

To the Jews, St. Jerome wrote in his homily 94 On the Pascha,

"Oh truly unhappy Jews, O truly wretched and pitiable Jews, who failed to realize that the Stone which Isaiah promised would be laid in the foundations of Zion (Isa. 28:16), andwould unite both peoples, was the Lord Savior, the Son of God! That is the Stone you rejected when you were building the congregation of the Lord and were custodians of the sacred rites of the Temple. Rejected by you, He has become the cornerstone; and the first Church, gathered from among the Jews and the believers from the nations, He has united into one flock and into one divine mystery. 'By the Lord has this been done; it is wonderful in our eyes' (Ps. 117:23). It is wonderful that we who, before the Passion of the Lord, were without covenant and without law, should be adopted into the sonship of God, and that while the former lioncloth was disintegrating and falling away (Jer. 13:7-12), God would weave for Himself another and prepare for Himself another people."

When the Jews, at the trial of Jesus shouted, "Away with Him! Crucify Him.....Let His blood be upon us and our children!" (John 19:15; Matt. 24:25), say all the Fathers, they condemned themselves and their posterity.

These words, this curse upon themselves with the very blood of the Messiah - with all the significance "blood" had for the Jews - more than anything else led to their estrangement from God. It was the final act of defiance, the supreme act of disobedience, a defiance and disobedience with no excuse, because St. John Chrysostom rightly maintained, they had the prophets.

"If they did not have the prophets, they would not deserve punishment; if they had not read the sacred books, they would not be so unclean and unholy. But, as it is, they have been stripped of all excuse. They did have the heralds of truth, but, with hostile hearts, they set themselves against the prophets and the truth they spoke. So it is for this reason that they would be all the more profane and guilty of blood....."

The prophets foretold that the Messiah would come and under what circumstances. They could have believed and all the house of Israel would have been saved; indeed, she could have entered into a new and glorious Covenant with Him, joining Him and the Gentiles in the divine task of redeeming the human race and transforming the creation. Instead the Jews fulfilled the prophesies concerning their apostasy. As Malachi said,

"Judah is forsaken, and has become an abomination in Israel and in Jerusalem, because Judah profaned the hikiness of the Lord in those things wherein he has loved and courted strange gods. The Lord will cut off the man who does such things, and he shall be made base in the tabernacle of Jacob" (Mal. 2:11).

And Nehemiah prophecied also,

"They have fallen away from Thee, and have cast they law behind their backs, and have killed the prophets which testified against them that they should return to Thee" (Neh. 9:26).

Likewise, Isaiah,

"Israel has not known Me, and My people have not perceived Me. A sinful nation, a people filled with sins, a wicked seed, lawless children; ye have forsaken the Lord, and provoked the Holy One of Israel" (Isa. 1:3,4).

And Hosea,

"And the Lord said, 'Call his name not My people, and I am not your God' (Hos. 1:9).....My people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge; because they have rejected knowledge, I will reject you from being a priest to Me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children!" (Hos. 4:6).

And finally, the prophet Amos, announced the destruction of Old Israel, but not "utterly."

"Behold the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the surface of the ground; except that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, says the Lord" (Amos 8:9).

In other words, although the covenant with the Jewish nation has been nullified, God has not forgotten His promises to Abraham, Moses, and David.

Prophesy has ended in Israel - St. John the Baptists was the last of the prophets; the Temple will be destroyed and its rites and priesthood abolished (70 A.D.), as the Lord said; the Jews will be dispersed among the Gentiles; and the Jews will lose their unity. Nevertheless, a "remnant will remain" and provide the nucleus for the new Israel (Joel 2:32). Together with the Gentiles, God will give them a new and final Covenant. "And I will sow Her unto Me in the earth," Hosea said, reporting the words of the Lord, "and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which are not My people, 'You are My people; and they will say to Me, 'Thou art my God'." (Hosea 2:23) Therefore, St. Justin Martyr could justifiably assert about the Church, the new Israel,

"We have been led to God through the crucified Christ and we are the true spiritual Israel, and the descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham, who, though uncircumsized, was approved and blessed by God because of his faith and was called the father of many nations."

All those who hold the Faith of Christ, Jews and Gentiles, compose the New Israel and share in the new Covenant. As the Lord said, "Behold I am God to a nation which has not called upoin My Name" (Isa. 65:1); and "it shall come to pass that whomever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved" (Joel 2:32; John 3:16). The Church of Jesus Christ, here is the "nation" promised to the patriarchs and prophecied by type and vision, a new nation, begun with the "remnant" of Old Israel, but which welcomes all peoples, all who profess that Christ is Lord. -- ( The Teachings of the Holy Orthodox Church, Rev. Michael Azkoul, Dormition Skete, Buena Vista, CO. 1986. )

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 10:26 PM
You are misinterpreting that statement.


I am not interpeting or misinterpreting anything.

That is what Christian Preachers by the 10s of thousands are and have been teaching Tens of Millions of Christians for many years.

Perhaps you and a tiny handfull do not believe that way but almost all Christians do.

That's Reality! Time to "smell the coffee"!

Maybe this will come as news to you, but evangelicals are NOT traditional Christians. They are heretics who adhere to dispensational theology - a heresy that came out of the 1800s and which was financed by Jews for obvious reasons.

Evengelicals aren't even a majority among Christians. Orthodox, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, and even some Baptists have never accepted dispensational theology.

waj44
May 3rd, 2004, 11:24 PM
It matters not what you call them. The majority of people who call themselves Christians (tens of millions of them) in America support Israel.


Unfortunately, the heresy is widespread, but, again, this is not real Christianity. And I would disgaree with that claim that a "majority" of Christians support Israel. I can't think of ANY Orthodox who support Israel for one obvious reason that many of the Palestinians Israel kills are Orthodox Christians. I never noticed that Catholics support Israel either.

You're main problem is making blanket statements against Christianity when you should be more specific and criticize Christian Zionists. Most Christians ARE NOT Christian Zionists.

waj44
May 4th, 2004, 12:34 AM
Well there must be damn few Real ™ Christians then.

It is the Millions of False ™ Christians that support the Jews that many here and many other places speak of.

No offence meant to those few True Christians ™...

There are many tens of millions of Christians in America who don't buy into the Christian Zionist nonsense. The advocates of the Jews are actually limted almost exclusively to the evangelicals and fundamentalists. And not even all of those people believe it.

Once the the Jewish state in Palestine goes down the tubes, which it inevitably will, the dispensational heresy will be dealt a death blow and will fade out like all heresies eventually do.

waj44
May 4th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Christianity has infected our race with the jew mindset/psyche. Christlings telling me different is the same as spiting in my face and calling it the dew.

Well, then you need to get a mask! LOL!