Since it seems that many threads turn into a bitch and moan fest about the past of Glenn Miller I think that there should be seperate sub forum for antis and supporters. When a thread starts about a certain theme and then Rounder comes and makes a post that's when all the shit comes in whether he says something good or bad.

I have nothing bad to say about Rounder and I think the only people who do are just being immature and haven't read his whole story in past threads. The only criticism I have of him is that he feeds into the trolls way too much and should instead refer them to links where he already explained what they don't understand.

I would just like to have the Main Forum stick to the original theme of each thread.

I have slept on it, and really, what I believe we are dealing with here between Norcal and Rounder is the classic Idealism Vs. Realism argument.

But how do we deal with it??? If we make a policy of shunning Whites who have made mistakes, then we will stay a very small and un-formidable group.

What to do... what to do.

Thanks Rounder,

The only thing we have disagreed on is the Muslim issue which is not really as important as the jewish issue... of which we do agree on.

Mac,

It's simple. Every time that Norcal or the antis say something in a thread which has nothing to do with the theme just warn them and delete the post. That's not censorship... it's just being courteous to posters wanting to know something about the theme of the thread.

[QUOTE=Todd in FL].......
I would just like to have the Main Forum stick to the original theme of each thread.[/QUOTE]

Interesting suggestion Todd. I dont think we need to needlessly proliferate subforums, but we might consider a rule of relevance such as in force at the civil forum to be in force across the entire board. I dont consider that censorship for a second. On the other hand, the lack of such a rule of topical relevance, has given this forum a particular character which it might otherwise lack. I think it's OK right where it is, on balance.

Topical relevance.

That's what VNN needs. That can be mandated and the mods can be fair about it and it won't turn people away. There are more being turned away because of the irrelevance of the useless posts made by antis and trolls or suedo-trolls like Norcal.

Personally I've not posted much lately because of the irrelevant posts.

I will solicit comments on this by starting a thread about this in forum administration. There has been much ferment at the forum here recently and your continued participation is appreciate Todd.

LOL

Making the irrelevant relevant by making a subforum about it? Damn, the internet anti’s couldn’t have schemed a more effective method to disrupt this forum. We all should just drop this issue now and move on, its not of any real import the choice is simple …either you support Linder and his tabloid or not. Its not about ‘rounder’. If ya do support the tabloid, great. If you don’t, its cool too, everyone on the forum isn’t a streetcorner preachin GLR and I personally value each and every White person who has come out of the fog of jewish propaganda to see the truth about our precarious situation and has issue with it . Just please support those of us who do distribute these things in any way you can.

Besides, all this bullshit about printed literature distributed to White people in this day and age ‘changing things’ is ridiculously naive. But I do think it will be a fuckin hoot distributing them in this area though (NYC), and I’m always down for some fun, muwahahaha. Let the Good Times Fucking Roll!! :D

TG

Would there be some insurance against posts getting "accidentally deleted?"

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]Would there be some insurance against posts getting "accidentally deleted?"[/QUOTE]

Bob,

Alex would never purposely delete your post. If he said it was an accident then it was an accident. For proof, you can always repost it.

By the way I used to live in Puyallup years ago. Hows the weather up there? Lemme guess it's raining and Mt Saint Helens is going to blow its top again. :D

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]Would there be some insurance against posts getting "accidentally deleted?"[/QUOTE]

You were asked to explain that in another thread and you didn't so don't bring it up here.

TG,

It is relevant cuz the anitis are taking up space with irrelevant posts.

Can we stay on topic?

[QUOTE=Todd in FL]

Can we stay on topic?[/QUOTE]

Sorry.......... :o

[QUOTE=Steve B]By the way I used to live in Puyallup years ago. Hows the weather up there? Lemme guess it's raining and Mt Saint Helens is going to blow its top again. :D[/QUOTE]

It's a little misty today, but we've generally had a lovely and golden autumn. The weather up here isn't anywhere near as bad as legend has it.

I don't think a new subforum is necessary. I know from other forums I belong to that run vBulletin, it is possible to split threads. Perhaps it could be possible for the moderators to just agree to split off the irrelevant posts in threads to a separate thread in Chutzpah, since that's where most of the flaming threads end up anyway. Besides, even if a Rounder forum was created, flames about him are not likely to stay confined to that forum. Moderators would still end up having to split off threads or move threads to that section.

Rockwell was more than the people really deserved and when he became too much of a nuisance, he was shot.
In those days, leaders had followers and I believe Glen Miller comes from that Era where action were taking, unlike today, its fragmented, and leaderless for none take it to the street. To denegrade him on such issue where he had no control of is a cheap shot behind the CP.

If the exercise of the First Amendment ever became relevant, it would soon vanish along with those who seemed to think it had value. The F.A. exists only with the permission of ZOG's guns. So far, all of our Internet whooping and cussing, is irrelevant since it has changed none of ZOG's planned direction.

OOPPPS, post it in the wrong thread!

Just of of curiosity, a question for Alex Linder. The morality of dealing with Glenn Miller aside--not to mention the common sense and risk aspect--you do realize, don't you, that this issue is not going to go away? That so long as you are involved with Miller, there are going to be people who seriously question your judgement, your motivations and your true agenda?

From now on, in everything you do with him, it's not going to be about the tabloid or whatever the project is--it's going to be about Glenn Miller. That's just human nature. People, especially Movement people, are like that and it's not going to change. This issue is NOT going to be resolved, and it will eventually overwhelm and drag down anything you try to accomplish with him. Just look at what it's doing to your internet forum here. Miller will eventually drag you down.

-Bob

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]It's a little misty today, but we've generally had a lovely and golden autumn. The weather up here isn't anywhere near as bad as legend has it.[/QUOTE]

You've forgotten last Winter already? :)

[QUOTE=Spandau]You've forgotten last Winter already? :)[/QUOTE]

No, but I like a little snow. (Emphasis on little. That's why I didn't choose the Northwest Interior.) The winter before that, there was no snow at all. - B

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]No, but I like a little snow. (Emphasis on little. That's why I didn't choose the Northwest Interior.) The winter before that, there was no snow at all. - B[/QUOTE]

I can agree with that. It's when we hit about the 7th Month of rain that I feel like jumping out the window! White Man's weather?.......You bet.

Spandau and Bob!!! OFF TOPIC!!! :D

[QUOTE=Steve B]Spandau and Bob!!! OFF TOPIC!!! :D[/QUOTE]

Damn it! Caught again!

(sigh...)

You don't remember me, do you, Glenn? I visited your farm several times with Steve Miller back when I was at Bragg. I can understand why you don't remember. There are probably a lot of gaps; I would imagine the 80s are one long Lost Weekend for you. I never saw you sober, and never without a mixed drink in your hand. That includes at rallies. I came, I saw, and I left before the Pizza Hut madness, thankfully.

Glenn, for God's sake, have the decency to admit that you crumpled, you fucked up, you betrayed us, and GO AWAY. As cliche as this sounds--have you no shame? None at all?

Jeez Louise.

Goodbye, Glenn.

[QUOTE=Spandau]I can agree with that. It's when we hit about the 7th Month of rain that I feel like jumping out the window! White Man's weather?.......You bet.[/QUOTE]

Many a true word said in jest. This is the kind of climate that made our Folk what they became.

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]Just of of curiosity, a question for Alex Linder. The morality of dealing with Glenn Miller aside--not to mention the common sense and risk aspect--you do realize, don't you, that this issue is not going to go away? That so long as you are involved with Miller, there are going to be people who seriously question your judgement, your motivations and your true agenda?

From now on, in everything you do with him, it's not going to be about the tabloid or whatever the project is--it's going to be about Glenn Miller. That's just human nature. People, especially Movement people, are like that and it's not going to change. This issue is NOT going to be resolved, and it will eventually overwhelm and drag down anything you try to accomplish with him. Just look at what it's doing to your internet forum here. Miller will eventually drag you down.

-Bob[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering if the naysayers are going to predict that ill will happen, or maybe make it happen. What it's doing is among other things, attracting new posters namely you. Welcome to the forum, what took you so long? LOL

[QUOTE=Bob Rudisill]Just of of curiosity, a question for Alex Linder. The morality of dealing with Glenn Miller aside--not to mention the common sense and risk aspect--you do realize, don't you, that this issue is not going to go away? That so long as you are involved with Miller, there are going to be people who seriously question your judgement, your motivations and your true agenda?

From now on, in everything you do with him, it's not going to be about the tabloid or whatever the project is--it's going to be about Glenn Miller. That's just human nature. People, especially Movement people, are like that and it's not going to change. This issue is NOT going to be resolved, and it will eventually overwhelm and drag down anything you try to accomplish with him. Just look at what it's doing to your internet forum here. Miller will eventually drag you down.

-Bob[/QUOTE]

I think that you're limited in your viewpoint there, Bob. To you -- a man who met Glenn Miller 15-20-some-odd years ago, and didn't like him then -- Alex Linder will be judged by his association with Glenn Miller. Sorry to say, you're a part of the "old guard." Half this forum is made up of young twentysomething guys like myself who weren't around for the "olden days" of WNism, and who are anxious to try new things while learning from the past. Alex Linder is a part of the newer generation of WNists. He's been doing things his way from day one. He doesn't give a rat's ass about people who go around harboring grudges from 20 years ago. He's thrown in his lot with Glenn Miller on this tabloid project, and it seems like most of the regulars on this forum are okay with that. That's because most of us on this forum are either too young to have grudges, or wise enough to know when a good thing's on its way, even if it seems like making a purse out of a sow's ear.

In other words, the only people who will "seriously question [Linder's] judgement, motivations and true agenda" are people like YOU, and you seem to be in the minority around here. I don't know if you've read through all of Miller's posts around here, but he's been doing a LOT of explainin', and I haven't once seen him fail to answer a question in an honest, thorough, consistent, and convincing manner.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Yeah bizmark like I said, I trust Alex's judgment too. If I become more of a liability than an asset to VNN though, Alex won't have to ask me to leave, I'll have already been gone.

Hey, I keep getting vile emails from somebody whose return email address is "gunter88@VNNForum", but my replies to him do not get sent. Today, he said he hopes my deceased son Michael, rots in hell, for example.

I checked the VNN members list, but there's no "gunter88" on it, only a "GUNTER", who has only post twice, and both were on 2 Dec 2003 and related to National Alliance.

Does anyone have any idea who he is? There's obviously a growing "get Glenn Miller" campaign ongoing in cyber space. I received an email couple days ago with return email address of "NF publications" that contained a "hate Miller" letter ending with the name norcal. And I am convinced norcal did indeed write that letter, judging from it contents. Many others on this forum most likely received that email, as well.[/QUOTE]

Well Mr. Miller, one of the problems with e-mail is that it's a completely unverifiable format. It's just like you could put a letter in the mail with a fake return addres -- it can be VERY difficult to figure out exactly where an e-mail's coming from, especially if somebody's making efforts to cover their tracks. So, you could easily get an e-mail that appears to come from "billgates@microsoft.com" that's actually from a Korean. Tell ya what, I'll PM you with one of my e-mail addresses, and you can forward those e-mails to me. But you've got to make sure that the header information is included -- the header is kind of like the postmark on the virtual envelope. We can at least track these things down to a general vicinity, or determine that somebody has backtracked so many times that it's impossible to tell where it originally came from. You'll probably have to click "View Headers" in your e-mail software, whatever it is you're using.

When did you make your e-mail address known? It might be a good idea to get a different one. You can ask your ISP for a different address, or use a free service, although you should be careful with sensitive information at places like Yahoo or Hotmail.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Yeah bizmark like I said, I trust Alex's judgment too. If I become more of a liability than an asset to VNN though, Alex won't have to ask me to leave, I'll have already been gone.

Hey, I keep getting vile emails from somebody whose return email address is "gunter88@VNNForum", but my replies to him do not get sent. Today, he said he hopes my deceased son Michael, rots in hell, for example.

I checked the VNN members list, but there's no "gunter88" on it, only a "GUNTER", who has only post twice, and both were on 2 Dec 2003 and related to National Alliance.

Does anyone have any idea who he is? There's obviously a growing "get Glenn Miller" campaign ongoing in cyber space. I received an email couple days ago with return email address of "NF publications" that contained a "hate Miller" letter ending with the name norcal. And I am convinced norcal did indeed write that letter, judging from it contents. Many others on this forum most likely received that email, as well.[/QUOTE]

NF Publications is just one of defendant Covington's many phony fronts. He likes to rip off the names of other organizations for his various scams, as you know. Is Norcal a Covingtonista? I haven't paid much attention to his offerings. Don't give much thought to anonymous e-mail threats, Glenn.

[QUOTE=Rounder]And so, there's proof(?) that Norcal and Covington are connected??[/QUOTE]

Well Mr. Miller, just know that there's very little in cyberspace that can be taken as "proof" of anything. It's so easy to "spoof" the "from" part of an e-mail address that it's not even funny. It's also not difficult to replicate a person's online writing style. There are 4 scenarios here:

1) Norcal and Covington are connected somehow, as you suggested;

2) Covington sent the e-mail and faked the Norcal connection;

3) Norcal sent the e-mail and faked the Covington connection;

4) Some third party sent the e-mail, faking both the Covington and Norcal bits.

Of course, I have no experience with Covington, and I'm prone to conspiracy theories, so your judgment is better than mine :) I'm just making sure you know that other explanations are possible.

Yea, ditch any email address you consider to be contaminated, i.e., known to someone it shouldn't be known to. I remember when I got my email address up in the VNN letters page during some correspondence, not too long after I received an email that appeared to be from Alex's old address, telling me to download some anti-virus software. I deleted that one in hurry. Glenn, you being computer-stupid and all, would probably have fell for that one. Can wreck your whole computer.