In a message dated 10/10/2004 12:58:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, docmengele@comcast.com writes:

TT,
What is your opinion of Glen Miller? The guy who has a half breed mongrel child and who was involved with THE ORDER (not the band leader!)?

What do you know about him? It seems he has teamed up with Alex Linder of VNN. I understand that Miller was an informant who testified against ORDER members. It seems that anyone in this movement who can benefit from others becomes a paid whore and doesn't care who they associate with if it involves shekels or notoriety.

TT says:
Glen Miller is definitely bad news. All you have to do is ask the Order POW's.
I have the court documents to the entire court record hidden away for future reference when I need them.
I have access to Glen Millers testimony in federal court.
I have a letter signed by Glen Miller admitting that he plea bargained with the FBI. That he went into the witness protection program and that his family received cash from the FBI for his services.
The problem is that People like Duke and this Johnny come lately Alex Linder don't care since if they are charged they will do the same thing. The right wing is awash with snitches, informants, agents and even worse Morons that will believe any right wing crap they are told.
Miller was greeted with welcome arms recently at the Duke coming out party in New Orleans. Duke was allowed to work at his own racial business as a condition of his release. Unconfirmed reports say he was already back to gambling right wing money away on the Mississippi and traveling out of country. Give me a break. That just don't happen unless you have made a deal. Tom Metzger

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[QUOTE=Rounder]Alex, welcome to the world of the old tried-but-failed, frustrated losers who hate all White leaders who might exceed their failures.

I suspect whiteman14 is simply a young, hard-charging, WN who believes he's helping the Cause by attacking those White leaders he has been sic'ed on by clever, old smear artists who are terrified of successes by others because modern successes reveals their old failures which have continued to this day.

It has something to to day with the old saying, "All White men hate all successes by other White men". Though I'm no psychiatrist.

The attacks on me contained in the interview with Metzger are all true, of course. But they are only half-truths. Not one word from my side of that plea-bargain story. I've admitted what's in the interview since my day one on this forum, and I've never once denied any of it.

Few young WNs are capable of realizing that there are 2 sides to every story. And so the old smear artists can easily manipulate them. It's exactly like a person going to court as a defendant, where only the prosecution side is allowed to present it's case. Making fair judgment absolutely impossible.

For 8 years after my plea bargain, I either sat in a ZOG cage, or was on strict parole, under conditions that probade me from having any contact with the White Movement. I was silenced while my former peers in the Movement like Metzger and others made my name synonamous with traitor, and while I had no way to defend myself in the eyes of WNs.

Even Harold Covington, who I worked my ass off for 4 years while serving under him for 4 years (1976-80) gleefully attacked me personally. He and Metzer both hated my guts because I built up a WN organization in a few years, larger, more effective, and more ACTIVE that their own had in decades.

When any White leader succeeds, he is attacked by those White leaders who fail. Alex, you will be as well, as your success grows. You can depend on it. But I know you are strong, determined, and committed and can endure and continue to succeed in spite of them.

Metzer well illustrates why I went into the Federal Witness Program. Since I had no forum with which to defend myself, and since my WN enemies did, I knew they would incite hated and violence that would threaten my family and myself. There are plenty of young, impressionable WNs out there who are easily convinced by one-side smear campaigns. And some are mentally unstable. I hope VNN'ers can understand that situation I was in when I accepted the Federal Witness Program.

But again, I challenge anyone, Metzger included to come on VNNforum and face me man-to-man and one-on-one. Let's have a fair, and open debate.

As for other WNs, especially the youth, I encourage them to read the thread on this forum in which I have presented my side of the story and then ask me questions. I've never once been proven to be a liar, nor have I once refused to answer any question posed to me.

But the bottom line fact of the matter is that my presence here is so damn DISTRACTING and DEMORALIZING to those WNs our Movement so desperately needs. And therefore, you and I should consider my leaving. Believe me there will be no hard feelings on my part, and I most definately will continue my work for our Race and Movement just like I always have since I became jew-wise in 1974.[/QUOTE]

Stick with the "come latelys," Glenn. They're the future. They apprecate all you've done and need to hear your front line experiences, if only to learn from your mistakes so as not to repeat them. We've sure learned a lot from Metzger's missteps over the years, not to mention the lessons learned from the abortive Order debacle. You have given an open, thorough, honest accounting -- embarrassing warts and all -- of your experiences. That's more than the observer can say about your critics. Tom has for the most part built his support base around fans of POWs and the Order, so he can't afford to be objective when someone like you comes along and lets some of the air out of the legends of our martyrs. Your story has been told and is here for anyone who wants to read it, including Tom Metzger. He has chosen to ignore it altogether and keep repeating whatever it was that the EXTREMELY isolated and thereby uninformed Richard Scutari wrote about you several years ago. Reasonable people see the unreasonableness of your critics' "traitor/snitch" stance. Tom will realize at some point that by attacking you with the same arguments used by "critics" like Martin Lindstadt and Harold Covington that he's in some strange and slimey company. Hell, they've been saying the same things about Tom for years.

Rounder, can I have a dollar every time you say "largest" and "ACTIVE" and "successful" ? :)

I think Terrible Tommy has the wrong idea about Linder....I don't think Linder is very right wing. Could be wrong, but Metzger and Linder are my favorite WNs, dammit. So GET ALONG! :P

Miller, you don't demoralize me. Don't know if I trust ya or not, but I ain't gonna worry about it. Life's too short to worry about snitches on an internet forum :D And besides, what would there be to snitch about? I believe there's still free speech in the USA (surprisingly!).

[QUOTE=whiteman14]
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We welcome any kind of currency.
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[QUOTE=whiteman14]In a message dated 10/10/2004 12:58:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, docmengele@comcast.com writes:

TT,
What is your opinion of Glen Miller? The guy who has a half breed mongrel child and who was involved with THE ORDER (not the band leader!)?

What do you know about him? It seems he has teamed up with Alex Linder of VNN. I understand that Miller was an informant who testified against ORDER members. It seems that anyone in this movement who can benefit from others becomes a paid whore and doesn't care who they associate with if it involves shekels or notoriety.

TT says:
Glen Miller is definitely bad news. All you have to do is ask the Order POW's.
I have the court documents to the entire court record hidden away for future reference when I need them.
I have access to Glen Millers testimony in federal court.
I have a letter signed by Glen Miller admitting that he plea bargained with the FBI. That he went into the witness protection program and that his family received cash from the FBI for his services.
The problem is that People like Duke and this Johnny come lately Alex Linder don't care since if they are charged they will do the same thing. The right wing is awash with snitches, informants, agents and even worse Morons that will believe any right wing crap they are told.
Miller was greeted with welcome arms recently at the Duke coming out party in New Orleans. Duke was allowed to work at his own racial business as a condition of his release. Unconfirmed reports say he was already back to gambling right wing money away on the Mississippi and traveling out of country. Give me a break. That just don't happen unless you have made a deal. Tom Metzger

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Our credit card / shopping cart program should be on line soon.[/QUOTE]

Well the first thing I notice is you are free to say these things and that your posts are not deleted or edited!

Now that to me would suggest that the people you have mentioned/accused are not afraid of what you have to say!

Fact is a for every dollar sent to Metzger, a portion goes to SPLC, due to the million dollar verdict they obtained over him. I believe that was an unfair trial, and a wrongful result, but I think it's making Metzger bitter.

And the reality is, any financial support or purchases made of Metzger support Dees. Fact. Not voluntarily, so I dont hold that against Metzger, but to me it is unseemly that he endlessly alleges that Duke pisses money away as a gambler, when fact is that pissing it away in a casino doesnt mean that it goes straight into Enemy coffers.

Many times I am sure Metzger has seen comments about him here, mostly positive including from myself, and he has never showed up to register and speak in his own name. However, it is clear that his proxies have spoken.

Now does Metzger know Linder? No. Has Linder said anything negative of him? No. But, seeing as how Linder came from NA, and that Linder did not sycophantically lick Metzger's boots like some other risen and fallen net commentators, he must have been disappointed.

This is a big disappointment to myself in turn, because Metzger has an active mind, a sharp sense of irony, and has been a good exponent of revolutionary ideology. But, I guess WW said it all when he said he cant afford to alienate his supporters. Hmm. I wish Metzger well, but he should shut his trap about Linder whom he knows little about.

Patriotism for profit? Please. In case you didn't know, Morris Dees sued the shit out of Metzger. Metzger gives all his money to Dees, and he prolly won't ever be able to pay what he has to. Metzger is a good man who has done many great things for our race (and taken MORE SHIT for it than most of us will). So he doesn't like Miller, and called Linder a Johnny-come-lately (wow, big insult there). Doesn't mean you have to agree with him. Personally, Linder and Metzger are the ONLY two WN public figures that I respect and admire, despite the fact that I disagree with both on a few issues. I get sick of hearing people bitch about Metzger for selling all that impossible to find speeches and marches and all that. He doesn't beg for DONATIONS, he does that radio show for FREE.

Respect your elders, Duce. He's opened more eyes than you ever will. Altho, I guess all political activists are supposed to be dead-broke all the time. I bet it is kinda hard to get a little spending money while paying off a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

EDIT: Sorry for being so bitchy, but its been a shitty day so far. And i didn't even think about what AE said in his post; that Metzger's money goes to enemy hands. But, I guess the bright side is that Dees spends all the SPLC money on mansions and yachts, and may prints a sheet of paper once a year with a list of names, or a "plan of action." :cool: Again, sorry El Duce, I'm a little hot-headed this morning. Nothing personal.

[QUOTE=El Duce]Small donations add up.
Every dollar counts.
Helping is simple -- put some bills in an envelope.
Remember us in your will.
We take personal checks, postal money orders or cash.
We welcome any kind of currency.
We are winning against the Zionists.


Comments such as the above appear each month on a certain newsletter. One might rightly ask who the "we" and "us" refer to. I know, but I'll leave you in suspense. Just another patriotism-for-profit fellow with a cup in his hand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SheerTerror]Patriotism for profit? Please. In case you didn't know, Morris Dees sued the shit out of Metzger. Metzger gives all his money to Dees, and he prolly won't ever be able to pay what he has to. Metzger is a good man who has done many great things for our race (and taken MORE SHIT for it than most of us will). So he doesn't like Miller, and called Linder a Johnny-come-lately (wow, big insult there). Doesn't mean you have to agree with him. Personally, Linder and Metzger are the ONLY two WN public figures that I respect and admire, despite the fact that I disagree with both on a few issues. I get sick of hearing people bitch about Metzger for selling all that impossible to find speeches and marches and all that. He doesn't beg for DONATIONS, he does that radio show for FREE.

Respect your elders, Duce. He's opened more eyes than you ever will. Altho, I guess all political activists are supposed to be dead-broke all the time. I bet it is kinda hard to get a little spending money while paying off a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

EDIT: Sorry for being so bitchy, but its been a shitty day so far. And i didn't even think about what AE said in his post; that Metzger's money goes to enemy hands. But, I guess the bright side is that Dees spends all the SPLC money on mansions and yachts, and may prints a sheet of paper once a year with a list of names, or a "plan of action." :cool: Again, sorry El Duce, I'm a little hot-headed this morning. Nothing personal.[/QUOTE] I don't know Mr. Metzger, personally, and I'm not going to comment anything of him which I don't know nothing about. Metzger organizations is one of many in the world wide web, many compete one another as is in politics, business ,and pleasure, and so forth. Since the arrival of the internet, it has made riches out of many just by plugging in with very little overhead,particularlly in the WNM its becoming a competition, like a restaurant opening up next door sort of speak.--Granted that the internet" have helped many to awaken, but the movement begings at the grass root ,All politics are local. So start getting locally relevant.

No Lone Wolf-ism. Leave the Clint Eastwood Man With No Name mentality behind .

[QUOTE=SheerTerror]Patriotism for profit? Please. In case you didn't know, Morris Dees sued the shit out of Metzger. Metzger gives all his money to Dees, and he prolly won't ever be able to pay what he has to. Metzger is a good man who has done many great things for our race..............
EDIT: Sorry for being so bitchy, but its been a shitty day so far. And i didn't even think about what AE said in his post; that Metzger's money goes to enemy hands. But, I guess the bright side is that Dees spends all the SPLC money on mansions and yachts, and may prints a sheet of paper once a year with a list of names, or a "plan of action." :cool: Again, sorry El Duce, I'm a little hot-headed this morning. Nothing personal.[/QUOTE]

You make some valid points, but let me clarify I didnt say ALL his money goes to SPLC. I said, some. It makes sense considering that he WAS sued, yes I know, Mulugeta Seraw, I read a book about it called "A hundred Little Hitlers," and based on what I read in aryan archive updates, an SPLC goon shows up when he goes to retrieve his mail, and take a portion of cash collected.

If you understand the way garnishment works, there are state laws which limit how much of a person's income or wages can be taken under a garnishment order. Like 20% is not an uncommon figure.

Again, I dont know the details, but the point is that we have to deal with as "consumers" of Wn printed materials, is that a portion of those proceeds go to Dees which gets used against the rest of WN in turn. That's under duress, so its not equivalent to saying he willingly helps bad guys, he doenst. But the fact is, he DOES help bad guys, unwillingly.

That is something he should disclose to his readership, if you ask me, and he did or I would never have read it on his web page: but maybe a little reminder say once a year would be more forthcoming. Especially from somebody who is always accusing the other WN leadership of all manner of foul deeds.

Tom says to make out the donation checks to his son John, don't know exactly why.

Can someone please explain to me why everyone is so against this tabloid? It's like we are dealing with a bunch of One Peoples Project activists on this board lately. And what is Alex going to "snitch" about anyway? There's nothing illegal going on via this forum.

I used to listen to the Metzger show until it turned into one big infomercial. Every 5 minutes or so he would make mention of “send me some money and I will get some white stuff out to ya”.

Between the rambling cursing and the begging for money it just got boring. There is nothing wrong with asking for money but don’t let it dominate the show, if it wasn’t for the colorful language I thought for a second I was listening to a television evangelist.

Then when he did a tribute show to race traitor Johnny Cash, that was enough for me.

ADV is a much better program to listen to.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]

Then when he did a tribute show to race traitor Johnny Cash, that was enough for me.
[/QUOTE]
Johnny Cash was a race traitor??

Yes, Demonica pretty much sums it up.
WTF are some of you all in such a tizzy about???

This is a GOOD idea. Not only will it reach out to others, but it will give many of you something else to do besides bitch and moan on the net.
Productivity is beneficial in so many ways.

I'm totally confused as to why some people are so anti this tabloid project.

Give it a chance before you all bitch and cry so much.

I have been really disappointed in some longtime posters like Georgie, Otto, AK.
I thought they wanted to take on the jews.

[QUOTE=Demonica]Johnny Cash was a race traitor??[/QUOTE]
He promoted race mixing with White Aryan Blonde women and Injun males. He did it in a song but music has an impact on the thoughts of many, so he was not a racist by any means.

Some don’t mind Injun on white relationships (you know everybody is at least 1/87th injun, right) I for one find the ideal revolting and Johnny Cash promoted it.



I posted a link to the song in a battle I had with Christ V about a month ago when that guy was asking for money to free the order.

He talks of the fair blonde hair blue eye maiden, and how he was an Indian (of course look at him he looks injun) and how everyone was against their love so pure.

On second thought if Cash is an Injun by blood, he may not be a traitor but just another non-white seeking white tail.

[QUOTE=Derrick Beukeboom]
I'm totally confused as to why some people are so anti this tabloid project.
[/QUOTE]
Because it requires
1. money
2. personal action
3. climbing from behind the computer
4. actually letting people know you are a racist
5. making VNNF bigger and thus getting watched more closely
6. causing “ZOG” to pay more attention to our real names

I could go on but won’t.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]The myth of some of Metzgers money going to dees is just that a myth. One that was started by rabbi covington. I say support who you want it is your choice in the end.[/QUOTE]

I read this about the money going to satisfy the judgment on resist.com that is metzger's site right? If he meant to say it was a false rumour he must have forgotten to say that; I remember at the time marvelling why he would put that up at his website and not deny it, but stranger things have happened. I consider it a believeable story because a) in point of fact, they do have Million dollar plus judgment against him, and you know that as well as I do, and b) he does always say make it out to john as if this were an issue.

So, you can say it's a false story, and I will admit I do not know what the exact details of collection of this judgment are, but I know there is a judgment and I know people with judgments usually do things to try and collect them.

Fact is, Metzger can come on here and register and reply like anybody else. Instead, it seems like he is sending his proxies to talk dirt on the host. Not nice.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Because it requires
1. money
2. personal action
3. climbing from behind the computer
4. actually letting people know you are a racist
5. making VNNF bigger and thus getting watched more closely
6. causing “ZOG” to pay more attention to our real names

I could go on but won’t.[/QUOTE]

And your reason for not ordering the Tabloid is.......?

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]The myth of some of Metzgers money going to dees is just that a myth. One that was started by rabbi covington.[/QUOTE]

Not so.. HAC just reprinted some of the documentation produced by Rick Cooper, publisher of his National Socialist Vanguard of The Dalles, Oregon.

A portion of all funds sent to Metzger in Fallbrook, CA does go to Mo Dees and his pet niggers. What may be even worse is that Dees probably has access to the accompanying correspondence, names and addresses of everyone that sends mail to Metzger. Dees probably doesn't care how little money he collects from PO Box 65 as long as he has access to that flow of incoming information on young racial activists that Metzger attracts.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Because it requires
1. money
2. personal action
3. climbing from behind the computer
4. actually letting people know you are a racist
5. making VNNF bigger and thus getting watched more closely
6. causing “ZOG” to pay more attention to our real names

I could go on but won’t.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to address these issues one by one, applied to my own personal situation.
1- I'm by no means rich. I live in a nice area, my husband makes enough to pay the bills and keep me home where I would rather be, and I do a little eBaying on the side for spending money. $12 is not going to break me or anyone else.
2- You don't have to stand on a street corner hollerin "Racist Flyers!!! Get Yer Racist Flyers Right Here!!". They can be strategicially planted as discussed in other threads.
3- This really shouldn't be an issue anyway
4- Everywhere I go, I wear at least one article of clothing that would be instantly identifiable as "racist". I am also accompanied by my husband, an obvious skinhead.
5- Bring em on!!
6- If ZOG wants our real names, they already have them. I have admitted I was skeptical about sending my info to Mr. Miller at first, then I realized not only can ZOG get my info at any time they want, but I am not doing anything illegal in the first place. I am going to pass out some tabloids and CD's.

[QUOTE=Demonica]I am going to pass out some tabloids and CD's.[/QUOTE]
Good for you. Now if the movement had at least 100,000 more women like you perhaps some huge changes would take place very rapidly.

I believe that one of the discouraging things about racism is the lack of active women.

Did your husband convince you of racism or were you already racist, just curious?

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Good for you. Now if the movement had at least 100,000 more women like you perhaps some huge changes would take place very rapidly.

I believe that one of the discouraging things about racism is the lack of active women.

Did your husband convince you of racism or were you already racist, just curious?[/QUOTE]
I have always had racist beliefs. Dating a nigger was never an option and i was never afraid to tell them that right to their faces. Plenty were dumb enough to ask and they all reacted the same way, with that look of coonfusion on their faces when I said, "I don't date blacks." My husband was already a Skinhead when I met him years ago. I agree the lack of racially aware women is a problem, I know plenty of good ol country gals like myself who would rather die than touch a nigger but have no idea of the jewish problem. Personally I don't like other females much at all because the first time I hear them say something like "Vin Diesel is so hot!!" I feel like smacking the shit outta them. I have few female friends by choice and get along better with guys.

Ha! This is pro-wrestling without the steal cage! Truth be known, in nigger-infested Augusta Georgia, I'd be glad to have a half-crazed, alcoholic, highschool drop-out welder to help me out! Opps--sorry, Seth! I mean I'd be glad to have one more half-crazed, alcoholic, highschool drop-out welder to help me out. Any Aryan willing to do his share is a gift from the Gods! Don't spend so much time looking a gift horse in the mouth! Trust no one, Trust yourself and do the right thing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/crpdrake/seth.jpg

Hey, by the way, this isn't a flyer we really put out. We just printed up a few copies and left them where Seth would see them. Whats funny is that he really didn't care that his face was being used as a case for Eugenics or else he didn't get it. He did, however, get really bent out of shape that we "distributed" a flyer that had his name and workplace on it. I was like "what are they going to do, Seth? Will they call and tell them that you are putting flyers out about how much yourself saying how shouldn't be allowed breed?"

TT says:
Thats pretty heavy smearing coming from an identified informant. That was a funny reply from Glen Miller. And I dont intend getting down in Miller's mud. What the supply sargent fails to understand is that having all those men with flags was impressive to look at but the bottom line was that it was all smoke and no fire. I remember when Miller was doing this ,we said thats "purty" but what comes from it?
I am not going to tire myself by listing what I have acomplished in 30 years. Anyone can check it out in the libraries, TV newsreels and newpaper morgues.

No Glen I did not try to mimick a supply sergant and polish my boots and parade on Sunday afternoon. But something you might have missed in your research is the many street riots I was involved in ,not marching! Fighting! None of my men were ever seriously hurt or jailed from several ARMED riots. that I led troops into.The newsreels are in my files for any who doubt. Oh yes several attempted assasinations took place during those years to.
As far as my failure I will let others decide that , I dont have time to play pissing contests in these juvinile chat rooms with all the Feds listening in. lol Tom Metzger


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