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Sean Martin
October 25th, 2004, 04:34 PM
I have great respect for Miller and this is in the form of constructive criticism and not to insult him in anyway. But this last time sent me over the edge. Check it out here.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=11154

Every time someone comes up with some new “dirty movement laundry” Miller asks this question. “What would you have done in my 1985 shoes”?
Easy for people to sit 19 years later and say what we would do from behind the safety of the computer screen.

If you take all the racist leaders and activists there would be enough “dirty movement laundry” to fill every Chinese dry cleaner in California. Sure there has been some shady dealings and bad decisions sometimes brought on by greed, zeal or just plain being set up.

Here is what most people wouldn’t have done in your 1985 shoes.

Wouldn’t get 5,000 votes for governor
Wouldn’t have had the 2,500 member WPP
Wouldn’t have marched with 500 at a time
Wouldn’t have been involved in a volatile situation as that shootout.
Already been retired from the military
Spent a small fortune on WNism
Basically not many if any would have taken the risks you took so no one here could give an accurate description of what they would have done in your 1985 shoes unless they had already done everything else you did.

However since no one would have created the WPP or gotten the 5,000 votes for governor it is unlikely they would have done any of the other things either. So they wouldn’t have been in the position you were in, in the first place.

Instead of asking people what they would do in your 1985 shoes which is a moot point now how about asking them what they would in your 2004 shoes. How about asking them what they are doing in their own 2004 shoes. I personally don’t think your 1985 shoes or your 2004 shoes for that matter would fit 99% of the people here.

Now on to the matter of the $200,000.

I am not a person of great wealth but am happy with what I do have. Unlike some people that may be drug dealers or are used to having that kind of scratch around, I have never actually seen $200,000 all at once or held that much cash in my hands at one time.

The most money I have ever held at any one time has been $20,000 and I must say I was in awe of that.

It is difficult to say what a person would do once they saw $200,000 in cash in front of their face and the opportunity to take it no strings attached.

Sure drug dealers make Million dollar transitions daily and many times in stolen or illegal cash but the difference is Miller is a racist and the government saw him as a bigger threat than a drug dealer with a million dollars worth of cocaine or crack.

Two hundred grand thrown down in front of your face will change a lot of reservations. Now I know it is easy for a lot of people here to say that is chicken feed and they see that kind of money on a daily basis and only hicks have never held that kind of cash, but the truth is not everyone has seen that much money at one time. I am sure Miller had never held that much money at one time either.

So when you ask that question Miller you should ask them what they were doing in their own 1985 shoes, or what they are doing in their own 2004 shoes.

Mechanic
October 25th, 2004, 06:41 PM
"There's three sides to every story",words i've said many times before,I should learn to live by them...I stand corrected,Rounder,after reading the "M.lindsteadt" link.We as WN's hold the Order(as we should,in general)in
such high regard,who would think to do a bit more research into specific court testimony,as you have documented?
I guess if you have a high level of "street activism",your bound to have legal problems,it's just your amount of "prosecution stand" time makes some rightfully reserved,or maybe,nervous.I will not apologize for my comment regarding your mongeral child(37yrs ago)But I stand corrected in regards to calling you a "rat",considering the evidence in regards to your "1985 shoes"
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