Log in

View Full Version : In defense of Christianity


John in Woodbridge
October 26th, 2004, 10:12 PM
Many on this forum have much criticism for Christianity, and I can understand that criticism. But there is nothing wrong with Christianity in of itself, but rather with Christianity in a jewed society.

This religion is beneficial as a moral base for a white society, but unfortunately very destructive in a multicultural one when blacks and other non-whites are thought of as “brothers” in the eyes of God.

Of course I do not need to educate anyone here on the differences between the races, but for most Christians they tend to be quite naïve in that respect.

A few years back I had the opportunity to visit my father’s hometown of Wilkes Barre, PA, a coalmining town nestled in the mountains. The town is practically all-white, with strong European bloodlines still residing there from immigrants crossing the seas to work the coal mines. My mother is a staunch Catholic, so I decided to accompany them to church on Sunday. There I happened to catch a glimpse of a pretty white girl, sitting in a pew by herself, praying or just reflecting. Suppose you would have to be there, but it was quite a moving image especially after being inundated with Aryan women being jewed by pop culture.

Because of relevance to this post I’ll disclose that I’m an atheist.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 12:16 AM
Christian leaders praised and Lord and told their young male parishiners to pass the ammunition and slaughter their fellow Whites during WWII - a blood bath wherein 40 million White Christians were butchered by other White Christians. Today, Christian leaders still praise that butchery and urge more butchery of the enemies of Israel in Iraq and Afghanistan. But when it comes to the blood bath of Whites by niggers these past 4 decades, Christian leaders tell their flocks to love their nigger enemies, and turn their other cheek to them.
I do like how you say Christian leaders instead of saying Christianity. Christianity is not to blame but people misusing it and claiming to be Christians.

99.9 percent of Christian leaders are money hungry, lying, hypocrites who couldn't be dragged to a pulpit without getting paid. And I hope Satan reserves the hottest corners in hell for them, and then sticks their asses to the walls with pitchforks, so they can't slither away from the heat.

(No disrespect to you Doc. You know I'm right.)
No Miller I don’t know this. I do know I teach bible study twice a week, preach, visit and or call the sick, do private bible studies, write and distribute literature at my own cost and have invested years of my life and several thousand dollars on my education.

I don’t receive a cent for what I do. While in the past I have been paid and paid well but now I don’t receive anything it is all volunteer work. I could be paid but I like the congregation I am affiliated with and they need me more than one that can pay the big (or at least decent) money. I actually believe in what I am doing so payment is secondary. I know preachers (over 20) that drive hundreds or thousands of miles each week for zero pay. I know preachers that are paid and paid well, and they deserve every cent they earn as a minister works a minimum of 60 hours a week not to mention the college educated ones that have several years and several thousands of dollars invested.

Why is it ok for someone working a job to get paid, someone else to go to college learn a trade apply that trade and get paid, Racist movement leaders to get paid (and not make positive change one for our race). You let a preacher ask for gas money and people are ready to burn his house to the ground.

The three preachers I associate with right now put an average of 400 miles a week on their cars or trucks going to preach and visit and don’t receive one cent (actually refuse it when offered) for their work. At Sonshine School of preaching the teachers there actually refuse payment (when they put 1,000 miles a week or more n their vehicles each week).

Believe me when a preacher gets paid they more than earn their money. I get calls at 2 am from people with religious problems, and never once have I told anyone “can it wait until tomorrow”.


I don’t doubt that there are some money hungry people that use Christianity for big bucks but I don’t think it is as wide spread, as people would like to believe. Remember we have been villainized by the same Jews media that has made all whites out to be hate mongers. You yourself said there are two sides to every coin.

Whites will buy into the Jews media when it is convenient for them and side with the Jews against their fellow whites. The Jews media claims all racists are backwoods uneducated people that hate to make up for their failures, you call Jew. The exact same media makes villains out of all Christians you say “amen preach on brother Jew”.


I respect your labor and zeal and know one of the reasons you refuse payment is the same reason many ministers refuse payment. Even though you have well earned a wage and have worked hard you know if you took money people would say “look he is in it for the money”.

Look at KAS he really doesn’t make much and look at the post a couple months back. People said he was living high on the hog and you said you wouldn’t have his furniture in your house as it was to worn out.

It is the exact same thing with ministers. If someone posted a picture of my office everyone would say “look at Sean he is living high on the hog from all that big preaching money”.


Christianity is infested with hypocrites but look at White Nationalism. How many anti-NA posts have been made here? How many psychos claiming to be WN celebrate the deaths of elderly whites? How many Hypocritical Racists hate White Christians more than they hate any Jew, Black, or Mexican? How many so called racists on VNNF watch Basketball, Quote Negro promoter Twain as an American hero, or worship race mixer Johnny Cash? How many racists hate Christians but they themselves have had non white Girlfriends, wives and even children? Believe me you all need to clean your own house before you worry about any one else’s. That is what Norcal taught and it got him banned.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 12:32 AM
1) Rarely or possibly never has xtianity existed outside a society that had no jew influence as magistrates, advisors, merchants or accountants at the least.
How many societies in the past 2,000 years have been 100% Jew free?

2) In the instances that it may have, a pope would set White men to war against other White men over matters of heresy anyways.
Would you like to see al white Christians destroyed? Prozak said "do the white race a favor kill a white Christian". You think we should stand still for that? Every time a Christian stands up for himself there are a hundred Atheists/Pagans yelling turn the right cheek.


3) For instance, if you don't let 1,000 Somalis move into your neighborhood at taxpayer expense, god will be angry for your hatred of fellow man.

That actually has nothing to do with Christianity and I don't know of one congregation that has imported a thousand Somalis to their neighborhood.

There is nothing in the bible that says take people from their country and transplant them in foreign communities. There may be people that do that, I have never met anyone of them. But these are individuals that misuse Christianity and that does not reflect Christianity as a whole. You gather your information from Jarl (mostly) a very biased source. It is the same as gathering all your information or racist leaders from the ADL or SPLC. You don’t get an accurate description or see both sides of the coin.

You are obviously claiming that in a society dominated by Jewish rule that Christianity is the only thing corrupted. Television, social groups, movies, radio, Newspapers, colleges, banks, government, and currency are absolutely uncorrupted. You are giving amazing power to Christianity to say we have so much influence that the Jews corrupted Christianity only and everything else followed out of fear of Christians.



Know this when you talk about loyalties. When it comes down to who i would pick to by my side. My white Christian brothers or a bunch of user names of VNNF that would like to see my throat cut or see me put in slavery. I am going to pick my white Christian brothers every time.

And no I will not give Christianity because some user name (that could very well be a jew) told me it was silly.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 12:41 AM
This is an emotional outburst. I will not respect these words with a reply because it is hysterical, not reasoned.



It's sad to say, but it is a reasonable question, with some of the stuff said on here, especially recently.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 12:44 AM
Also, if the religion has a long, tragic history of corruption, scandal and misuse by the leadership that will not seem to go away, to the point of being a very serious problem for its followers at times, the logical solution is to remove the religion, eliminate the institution.
All forms of government has a history of being corrupted, the Klan, the American Nazis, the Nationals Alliance all have corruption to some extent.

When you have an institution made up of people all with free will and the ability to be corrupted through greed, power, sex, ect. During the course of history there is going to be corruption. Christianity is 2,000 years old and through millions of followers it stands to reason there would be corruption along the course of history. However it has stood and still stands strong. Just because there are corrupt people in an institution is no reason to abandon it but rather to rebuild it. I don't see anyone here wanting to abandon America and swim the pacific to greener pastures.

A preacher not on his pulpit will not have a platform of publicly accepted authority and legitimacy with which to peddle destructive ideas.

New people are born all the time, some corruptable. Institutions can be permanently removed as this one needs to be.
Political ideologies have come and gone while Christianity stood long before they were here and long after they were gone. How many governments and nations have fallen during the reign of Christianity?

Understand that the institution itself legitimizes authority, aside from fear of displeasing god. A preacher without his institution to back him up is practically stripped of all authority, aside from the unprovable book.
So what you are saying is that there is no proof that the bible was anything more than fairy tales with no basis whatsoever. That thousands of years whites blindly fought and died defending something that is no more than Grimms fairy tales. You don’t give the white race much credit. The bible can be proven, and has been proven.

If there was no shred of evidence or proof that it was anything but a fairy tale it would have never stood for two thousand years. The fact that Christianity has overcome all obstacles and has dominated the world for two thousand years should be enough proof. But if you need more there are several sites that will answer any questions you may have.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Christianity is infested with hypocrites but look at White Nationalism. How many anti-NA posts have been made here? How many psychos claiming to be WN celebrate the deaths of elderly whites? How many Hypocritical Racists hate White Christians more than they hate any Jew, Black, or Mexican? How many so called racists on VNNF watch Basketball, Quote Negro promoter Twain as an American hero, or worship race mixer Johnny Cash? How many racists hate Christians but they themselves have had non white Girlfriends, wives and even children? Believe me you all need to clean your own house before you worry about any one else’s. That is what Norcal taught and it got him banned.



It is scary, how much truth there is in this.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by sean(doc)martin
How many societies in the past 2,000 years have been 100% Jew free?

Exactly. That's the whole point.
The point is you are saying that all Christian societies or societies that have had Christians have had Jews also. My question is how many societies pagan or otherwise in the past 2,000 years (since Christianity began) have been 100% Jew free. Zero so by the same logic any society that has accepted paganism or atheism has also had the same Jews in the courts and selling goods.



This is an emotional outburst. I will not respect these words with a reply because it is hysterical, not reasoned. Composure, please.
I don't think it was hysterical, but it was a reasonable question. Do you deny there are many on this board calling for the blood of Christians? Read Kurtz's sig if you don't believe me. Read Prozak’s statement concerning elderly white Christians.

But I will say for the sake of argument you are correct, I said a lot more that you could reply to but you only chose that segment because you could say you wouldn't reply. If you don't like that particular segment reply to something else I said.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 12:57 AM
You're just making my case for why the christian belief system is a problem for White people. Please continue on as always, Sir Christian. Go ahead.
In argumentation what you see here is typical. I have answered every claim Vlad and Miller has made. Vlad focused on one single statement out of at least two pages, and he uses this for a reason to no longer continue. This is what people do when they have no answers.

I will ask this question in another form while not in any way trying to use entrapment.

Vlad or anyone else. Do you deny there are racists that would rather see White Christians dead, imprisoned or simply gone more than they would rather see the same fate come to the Jews, Blacks, or Mexicans.

I am not asking for any names just general information in the form of a yes or no.

If you notice every time I debate an Atheist or Pagan they find a point they can stop when they can no longer answer my claims. They then declare victory or say I was out of line. I asked a simple question I don't know of a more civil way to ask those questions or make those statements. I thought the message was only supposed to be softened up for Lemmings but not hard-hitting Aryans.

MOMUS
October 27th, 2004, 01:21 AM
I'm not surprised at Dog Martin's hillbilly histrionics but I am bemused at your response. I consider it somewhat scary that you would pay attention at all to him. Perhaps you and Dog make a team.
Scary or not let's answer a few of his emboldened rhetorical hoots.
How many psychos? One, isn't he banned?
As to the rest of the questions, the answer lies in the character of Martin himself, christianity is poorly represented by such a bald-faced lying, ignorant, hypocrite. It is him more than it is your simple superstition system that draws redicule and contumely. There are other christian posters here who are treated with respect.


It is scary, how much truth there is in this. Originally Posted by sean(doc)martin

Christianity is infested with hypocrites but look at White Nationalism. How many anti-NA posts have been made here? How many psychos claiming to be WN celebrate the deaths of elderly whites? How many Hypocritical Racists hate White Christians more than they hate any Jew, Black, or Mexican? How many so called racists on VNNF watch Basketball, Quote Negro promoter Twain as an American hero, or worship race mixer Johnny Cash? How many racists hate Christians but they themselves have had non white Girlfriends, wives and even children? Believe me you all need to clean your own house before you worry about any one else’s. That is what Norcal taught and it got him banned.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 01:25 AM
No you have not answered everything. I wasn't addressing you anyways. There are much more qualified people on this forum to discuss religion with.
Perhaps pagan religions but not Christianity. Perhaps some people here have studied the bible to an extent and are ex Christians but it is unlikely no one here is more active in Christianity than I am.

When a reference to Christianity is made who is referred to as the resident Christian?


I was under the impression people resorted to emotional outbursts when they couldn't answer. Odd.
What do you want answered? If I missed something, let me know. You are still silent on 95% of what I said. But I have never backed down from anything or anyone on this board, and everyone knows it. I always follow a debate out to the end.

The very idea is ludicrous. It was nothing but a bunch of trolling to expose the weak.
So Prozak, Kurtz, Dr A and Aryan Ld are all trolls that are here to expose the weak. They are doing a great service for VNNF. That is why three of them have been banned and one of them is still banned. Thanks for clearing that up.

As if someone posting here has some godlike powers to mass exterminate White Christians or anyone else for that matter. Like I said, hysterical female emotionalism and not deserving of any respect.
This is classic, pay attention here. Bait and switch to ad homenium attacks. I never attacked Vlad personally but now he compares me to a female. I have him on the run now.

Dude give up and admit defeat. I have always answered all of your claims while instead of taking the chance to refute me and make me look bad you resort to either personal attacks, changing the subject, or ignoring the claims altogether.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 01:33 AM
I'm not surprised at Dog Martin's hillbilly histrionics but I am bemused at your response. I consider it somewhat scary that you would pay attention at all to him. Perhaps you and Dog make a team.
Odd just last night you was begging for HG to give you her approval now you insult her. What you are saying is that there is nothing I can say that anyone else on this board can agree with? HG disagrees with me sometimes it is her right to either agree or disagree.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=139301#post139301

Scary or not let's answer a few of his emboldened rhetorical hoots.
How many psychos? One, isn't he banned?
Actually two Kurtz is using his quote in his sig, and no he is not banned.
As to the rest of the questions, the answer lies in the character of Martin himself, There are other christian posters here who are treated with respect.
Actually it is because I am more zealous in the defense of Christianity than anyone else here. Also because not very many if any take religion as seriously as I do.

Most Anti-Christian posts and many Christian posts have a reference mentioning me before I even get there.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=11112

This thread is typical in that my opinion was mentioned before I even made a post there.

Whether you want to believe it or not people have come to expect me to post on religious threads.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 01:34 AM
Scary or not let's answer a few of his emboldened rhetorical hoots.
How many psychos? One, isn't he banned?



Prozak was certainly not the only one who has made those type of comments. That is the very reason why I was wondering why he/she got banned. I didn't really see anything that he/she said that was any worse then things that have been said by a few others. You can just check out the signatures of someone, again, like Colonel Kurtz, or Dr. Antichrist. I wasn't really trying to say that there are a lot of people on here like that, but you have to see there are some, who do indeed seem to dislike white Christians MORE then they dislike Jews/blacks or anyone else who should be our real enemies.

MOMUS
October 27th, 2004, 01:41 AM
Yes, you're right, there are antichristian fanatics here. Some are an embarrassment to the forum. Sometimes their posts are almost as shamefully deceitful and maddeningly stupid as those of your forum associate, Dog Martin. Never as much.

Prozak was certainly not the only one who has made those type of comments. That is the very reason why I was wondering why he/she got banned. I didn't really see anything that he/she said that was any worse then things that have been said by a few others. You can just check out the signatures of someone, again, like Colonel Kurtz, or Dr. Antichrist. I wasn't really trying to say that there are a lot of people on here like that, but you have to see there are some, who do indeed seem to dislike white Christians MORE then they dislike Jews/niggers or anyone else who should be our real enemies.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 02:00 AM
Yes, you're right, there are antichristian fanatics here. Some are an embarrassment to the forum.


At least we can agree on that.

MOMUS
October 27th, 2004, 02:10 AM
For clarity's sake do you disagree with the rest of my statement?

Yes, you're right, there are antichristian fanatics here. Some are an embarrassment to the forum. Sometimes their posts are almost as shamefully deceitful and maddeningly stupid as those of your forum associate, Dog Martin. Never as much.At least we can agree on that.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 02:15 AM
For clarity's sake do you disagree with the rest of my statement?


I think it should be rather obvious that if I am going to say I agree with you, I am only going to include the part of the post, I actually agree with. If I leave something out, then that would be a good indication that I may disagree.

Anima Eternae
October 27th, 2004, 02:26 AM
This is the civil forum, fellas.

Anyways, I'll KISS.


Christianity preaches universal salvation and acceptence, therefore, while not mutually exclusive with, it is easily contradictory towards exlusive racial beliefs.


...

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:30 AM
Abzug Hoffman, the writer known as Apollonian, moderator Antiochus Epiphanes. The last two are capable of making a positive case for christianity as a controlling institution, but not necessarily as a healthy belief system.
I noticed when Hoffman got you here you simply replied Red Herring. When I answered your call you focused on 3 sentences as compared to a page of my reply.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=10696&page=3&pp=10

DoC, I frankly don't care what you have to say anymore.
I am happy for you.
You did come onto this thread in another uncivil attempt to put an opinion here.
No, I came to this thread just like the title states to defend Christianity.

The trouble is with what you write it always moves away from the thread topic of ideas and into the realm of the personal.
This coming from a guy that typed out two pages focusing primarly on me.

Civil forum is supposed to be the last refuge where only ideas are discussed, not personal problems you have with those you disagree with.
Let's discuss the ideas I would like that very much.


I honest to god don't understand why the moderators, aside from AE, can't see what a disruption it is to have threads consistently derailed
I post mostly in the religious threads, and don't say much outside of them.

I mean just look at some of this, what hasn't been answered in idea-threads, only to be disrupted down to the low dirt level of the personal,
I don't recall saying anything personal against you in this thread.

Unanswered. Discontinued. Derailed.
People can insult my mom and that is ok by you, I insult them personally but that is heinous blasphemy. What is with these two standards?

Why would ANYONE jump into the middle of a electrically charged discussion between two grown men like this: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=139598#post139598

And on and on and on. The search function is there in the menu. Just search under all posts for the DoC. This needs to stop.
People insult my mother call for the death of Christians and you think I need to be banned? I am one of the very few people here that doesn’t use curse words, and I don't make personal threats on others (as Momus stated he wanted to choke me with his bare hands). I am civil at my worst compared to the way some are around here.

But I would like to take the focus away from me and put it back to defending Christianity.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 02:30 AM
So, in conclusion and back on thread topic, if a White person qualifies as a christian, they are blameless. If a White person does not qualify as a christian, does something like day of the still rope apply or not?

The news threads where a White man or woman of unknown religion have been killed generally pass without any grief or pity from anyone. When the news title says Elderly Christian Couple, the emotions kick in and the Pavlovian Response follows.
Folks, we are dying off because of this shallow mentality toward our own people.


I would have had the same response about the white couple, whether they were Christians or not. It is amazing how you find something wrong with feeling sad or angry at the murder of a white couple, but you don't seem to see anything wrong with the comments that were made by Prozak. :confused:

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:40 AM
So, in conclusion and back on thread topic, if a White person qualifies as a christian, they are blameless. If a White person does not qualify as a christian, does something like day of the still rope apply or not?
The day of the rope is fiction and nothing more.

What I mean is that we are coming around full circle with this. Does a christian consider religion or race more important?
I don't think that matters unless their religion contradicts their racial beliefs.
Christianity does not say I cannot,
Marry white only
Be proud of my race
Live around whites only
Buy from white businesses
Or defend myself when attacked

If a persons religion says they cannot be proud of or protect their race then there is a problem. If not it doesn’t matter one way or the other. I don’t look for the day I can slaughter at will like some do (not just on VNNF) but that has nothing to do with being a Christian. I just don’t like the thought of killing a bunch of people.

From what I've read so far, the christian WNs hold their religion above their race because it is less important to them that a White man or woman is deceased and more important that it is a christian white man or woman who is deceased.
Let me clarify this, white people dying to an extent is tragic. If a white drug dealer who sold drugs to white children dies in jail it is not as tragic as white business people getting murdered for a couple of bucks while trying to run a business.

There are different levels of tragedy, Christian or not.

The news threads where a White man or woman of unknown religion have been killed generally pass without any grief or pity from anyone. When the news title says Elderly Christian Couple, the emotions kick in and the Pavlovian Response follows.

The fact is that emotion was kicked off because WHITE people were murdered if their religion was a factor in that then so be it. Would it bother you if the Lemmings came to realization because of a tragedy that happened to Christians? Any press that gains sympathy for whites is good press in my book.

I would think you could agree with that.

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 02:41 AM
Did you have the same response in most of the news items about dead Whites? Also, because they were christians, a true believer would know in their heart that the deceased are bound for peace in heaven forever. Why is that a problem?

Why would a christian have a problem with dead christians? The whole point of it is to get to the afterlife, a much much better place, not hang around here.

To me, it is a contradiction. It comes down to hypocricy.


I have a problem with the fact that a white couple was brutally murdered. What is the contradiction??

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Why would a christian have a problem with dead christians? The whole point of it is to get to the afterlife, a much much better place, not hang around here.

To me, it is a contradiction. It comes down to hypocricy.

Ok let me explain that one. To get slaughtered while trying to run a business is tragic, no matter what the after life holds in store. To suffer from Cancer for six months is tragic no matter what the after life holds in store.

To be a faithful Christian that lived to a ripe old age and drift off into the next life in your sleep (while a sad event) would apply to going to a much better place. I know Christians in their 70’s and 80’s that were suffering and embraced death, as much as I miss them I know this is what they wanted. This was not the case with that couple.

The point of Christianity is not to die as quickly as possible to get to Heaven.


Allow me to ask from an Atheist perspective. If someone is suffering from Arthritis or some assorted disease, but wanted to live would it be a sad occasion if they were slaughtered in their place of business? Even though there suffering would be over.

I think it is tragic no matter if you are a Christian or not.

MOMUS
October 27th, 2004, 02:48 AM
Dog Martin, you sniveling hypocrite, I said I'd like to beat you with my bare hands, put some more "scares" on your pointed head. Not choke you. I also said that since this is the net I'd content myself with making you cry- like right now. Har har!
I'll say it again, you whining purblind hypocritical jackass; you feel free to make up a damned lie about me robbing some old lady then I'll, by god, make up a lie that it was your mother and go you one better, you mealy-mouthed puke.

Kiss my ass, you chickenshit lying braggart. You know goddamned well that you are universally despised here as a liar, braggart, and troublemaking fool.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:48 AM
I was under the impression that the problem was that the deceased were christians who happened to be White.

What would have given you that impression?

The Barrenness
October 27th, 2004, 02:51 AM
I was under the impression that the problem was that the deceased were christians who happened to be White.

Again, do you or do you not reply to most news items about how tragic it is that White people died in that news thread?

No? Well then being a christian may be more important than being White in your view.



Why would you be under that impression? Their religion became an issue only to Prozak, not me. And yes I have replied to other news threads where whites were murdered, raped, etc by non-whites

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Dog Martin, you sniveling hypocrite, I said I'd like to beat you with my bare hands, put some more "scares" on your pointed head.
I made a mistake I thought you said you wanted to choke me. Your correction is duly noted and I shall not make that error again.

Thank you for pointing that out my friend.

Have a nice day, Sir.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Dog Martin, you sniveling hypocrite, I said I'd like to beat you with my bare hands, put some more "scares" on your pointed head. Not choke you. I also said that since this is the net I'd content myself with making you cry- like right now. Har har!
I'll say it again, you whining purblind hypocritical jackass; you feel free to make up a damned lie about me robbing some old lady then I'll, by god, make up a lie that it was your mother and go you one better, you mealy-mouthed puke.

Kiss my ass, you chickenshit lying braggart. You know goddamned well that you are universally despised here as a liar, braggart, and troublemaking fool.
..................................................

MOMUS
October 27th, 2004, 02:54 AM
So, the mods can delete it. I enjoyed having my say about what I consider the worst pest on this forum. I loathe a liar.



Hey Momus, personal attacks are banned in this civil discussion forum.

Sean Martin
October 27th, 2004, 03:06 AM
We are in a thread called In defense of Christianity.

It seems I should be here defending Christianity.

The Final Solution
October 27th, 2004, 07:18 AM
But there is nothing wrong with Christianity in of itself, but rather with Christianity in a jewed society.

It is Christianity that in large part jewed the society. You recall they worship a jew, no?

This religion is beneficial as a moral base for a white society

A slave morality, no thanks.

, but unfortunately very destructive in a multicultural one when blacks and other non-whites are thought of as “brothers” in the eyes of God.

Which is it, a jewed society or a multicultural one? Surely you haven't missed all of Jarl's posts and a few of mine documenting the enormously successful Catholic/Christian effort to flood the 'Kwa with every variety of mud on the planet. Are the jews somehow forcing them to do that?

John in Woodbridge
October 27th, 2004, 08:30 PM
I should probably clarify my point a little better. When a white state is established and the lemmings have made it through the reconditioning camps, then I don't see a problem with whites that wish to retain their Christian faith. I don't think a white state would need to have a policy on that one way or the other.

Herman van Houten
February 13th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Christianity should be cleansed of its jewish attributes.

J.P. Slovjanski
February 13th, 2005, 02:53 AM
Christianity should be cleansed of its jewish attributes.


If you did that you'd basically be left with Buddhism, or Mithraism, or the Horus cult- basically an almalgamation of these influences.

Heathen Wolf
February 13th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Christianity should be cleansed of its jewish attributes.

Its Jewish attributes are everything that Jesus taught. The other stuff is all borrowed from Aryan sun worshipping religions.

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 05:00 AM
[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Many on this forum have much criticism for Christianity, and I can understand that criticism. But there is nothing wrong with Christianity in of itself, but rather with Christianity in a jewed society.

It is xtianity which is deeply flawed.It is a Jewish inpsired religion.Its adherents worship a Jewish "god",accept Jewish commandments,preach a Jewish saviour and read a Jewish "holy" book written entirely by Jews!
Xrist himself[he was not an historical figure"] said that "Salvation is of the Jews".
Furthermore the effects of xtianity are entirely Jewish.It promotes a slave like mentality and it also indirectly promotes multiculturalism."There is neither Jew nor Greek.For all are one in Christ Jesus."There is no distinction between races within the New Testament and they are all destined to live side by side in a multicultural heaven.
So please explain to me why you contend that "there is nothing wrong with Christianity".

This religion is beneficial as a moral base for a white society, but unfortunately very destructive in a multicultural one when blacks and other non-whites are thought of as “brothers” in the eyes of God.

Why is the "religion beneficial as a moral base for a white society"? Its ethics are unAryan and are designed to promote multiculturalism,the very enemy,or tool of the enemy of the Aryan race.It is xtianity thathas helped to bring about the multicultural society that you deplore.

Of course I do not need to educate anyone here on the differences between the races, but for most Christians they tend to be quite naïve in that respect.

Yes and their religion is the cause of their "naivety".

A few years back I had the opportunity to visit my father’s hometown of Wilkes Barre, PA, a coalmining town nestled in the mountains. The town is practically all-white, with strong European bloodlines still residing there from immigrants crossing the seas to work the coal mines. My mother is a staunch Catholic, so I decided to accompany them to church on Sunday. There I happened to catch a glimpse of a pretty white girl, sitting in a pew by herself, praying or just reflecting. Suppose you would have to be there, but it was quite a moving image especially after being inundated with Aryan women being jewed by pop culture.

And this Aryan woman was not being "jewed" by Jewish religion?

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 05:03 AM
Christianity should be cleansed of its jewish attributes.

It cannot be "cleansed of its Jewish attributes" for it is in essense Jewish.Rather it should be destroyed.
We have our own indigenous gods that have served us well for thousands of years.We require not a Jewish desert tribal "god".

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 05:04 AM
I should probably clarify my point a little better. When a white state is established and the lemmings have made it through the reconditioning camps, then I don't see a problem with whites that wish to retain their Christian faith. I don't think a white state would need to have a policy on that one way or the other.


A man who claims that he is xtian and a racist,to quote the New Testament, "is unstable in all his ways."
The two world views are incompatable.

Whirlwind
February 13th, 2005, 05:31 AM
Imagine if White christians showed the kind of love they profess for jeebus, for their race.
How do you go about de-jewing something created by jews?

Herman van Houten
February 13th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Christianity is deformed by jews into judeo-christianity.
Hitler saw this very clearly. He even predicted the possibility of the jews one day distorting national-socialism into a judeonational-socialism.

Whirlwind
February 13th, 2005, 05:57 AM
Created as a tool to destroy Rome, or just worked out that way. I don't hold the key to that one.
It is an amalgamation of previous beliefs. Was there deliberate construction, or natural drift? Wish I knew for sure.
If there were hard facts, this discussion would be moot. So why has the history of that era been obscured or otherwise unavailable?
I will also say honorable institutions have no trouble displaying their origins.

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 06:20 AM
Imagine if White christians showed the kind of love the profess for jeebus, for their race.
How do you go about de-jewing something created by jews?


Hitler said:"Let xtianity die a natural death".[Table Talk].
It is dying of its own accord.If we execute them it will only make more "martyrs".Xtians love martyrs.It appeals to their sado-masachistic complex.

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 06:27 AM
Christianity is deformed by jews into judeo-christianity.
Hitler saw this very clearly. He even predicted the possibility of the jews one day distorting national-socialism into a judeonational-socialism.

He also saw xtianity as being Jewish in its conception and ideology.
It was like that from the very beginning.Possibly even more so at the beginning than now.

nazibunny
February 13th, 2005, 11:50 AM
Jesus is cool, he spoke against the jew and labeled them the anit christ.
They were the enemy to him as they are the enemy to me. :D

And I could care less about Hitler's views on Christians.
Just as I could care less about this board's views on Christains.
Don't matter to me and I feel no need to defend my relegion. I keep to my path away from the voices that can lead me astray. I try to focus on the things that join us whites together than pull us apart. Attacking white christians seems to pull us apart. IMHO.

J.P. Slovjanski
February 13th, 2005, 12:01 PM
Jesus is cool, he spoke against the jew and labeled them the anit christ.
They were the enemy to him as they are the enemy to me. :D

And I could care less about Hitler's views on Christians.
Just as I could care less about this board's views on Christains.
Don't matter to me and I feel no need to defend my relegion. I keep to my path away from the voices that can lead me astray. I try to focus on the things that join us whites together than pull us apart. Attacking white christians seems to pull us apart. IMHO.



Actually Jesus never said those things because he didn't exist. And he was talking to the Pharisees, who were religious leaders of the Judeans ergo Jews. The people that wrote the Gospels were mostly Northern Israeli tribes, which were rivals of the Pharisees(Saducees), yet were ethnically of the same make-up as the Jews.

Keystone
February 13th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Actually Jesus never said those things because he didn't exist. And he was talking to the Pharisees, who were religious leaders of the Judeans ergo Jews. The people that wrote the Gospels were mostly Northern Israeli tribes, which were rivals of the Pharisees(Saducees), yet were ethnically of the same make-up as the Jews.
The Saducees where a different sect, I believe. They were more aligned with Rome and the status quo, because their priestly livings depended on it, and their descent wasn't exactly "pure" Judahite. They only followed what was "written".
The Pharisees envoked the "oral" Law, supposedly given to Moses on Sinai but never written down (which was convenient). They were the ones who went on to be the Talmudists.
The Jesus character was most likely an Essene supporter who thought the "end of days" was at hand, and that the "city" Jews were corrupt.

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Jesus is cool, he spoke against the jew and labeled them the anit christ.
They were the enemy to him as they are the enemy to me. :D

And I could care less about Hitler's views on Christians.
Just as I could care less about this board's views on Christains.
Don't matter to me and I feel no need to defend my relegion. I keep to my path away from the voices that can lead me astray. I try to focus on the things that join us whites together than pull us apart. Attacking white christians seems to pull us apart. IMHO.

Xrist never existed and according to the New Testament he was a Jew any way.
Why do you choose to abandon the indigenous gods of your ancestors and follow a Jewish god?
The very ethos of xtianity is Jewish,unAryan and anti-Aryan therefore we attack it and its proponents.

Keystone
February 13th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Xrist never existed and according to the New Testament he was a Jew any way.
Why do you choose to abandon the indigenous gods of your ancestors and follow a Jewish god?
The very ethos of xtianity is Jewish,unAryan and anti-Aryan therefore we attack it and its proponents.
Most white people never knew their ancestoral gods, so I don't think they abandoned them. It's what they were raised in.
I'm still a nominal Christian for the family's sake, but I always was interested in Greek and Norse mythology. I read Edith Hamilton's Mythology until the cover came off when I was a kid. Something about the way gods and men interacted in those stories always felt more comfortable and proper to me. Heroism, tragedy, comedy was all allowed for humans, on their own merit. You could even aspire to be god-like given the nads. Hubris was the limit, but there was much leeway.
There wasn't so much....er, groveling involved. That's what always troubled me about Christianity.

Aryan Lord
February 13th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Most white people never knew their ancestoral gods, so I don't think they abandoned them. It's what they were raised in.
I'm still a nominal Christian for the family's sake, but I always was interested in Greek and Norse mythology. I read Edith Hamilton's Mythology until the cover came off when I was a kid. Something about the way gods and men interacted in those stories always felt more comfortable and proper to me. Heroism, tragedy, comedy was all allowed for humans, on their own merit. You could even aspire to be god-like given the nads. Hubris was the limit, but there was much leeway.
There wasn't so much....er, groveling involved. That's what always troubled me about Christianity.

True most people do not actively know their ancestral gods but Wotan moves within the Collective Racial Unconscious and we can tap into the Wotan consciousness but first the Aryan must be willing to renounce and relinquish the Jewish "god".Most WNs who still cling to their childhood xtian indoctrination lack the courage to make that moral leap but once done they would find a sense of peace that they lacked before.
Xtianity and racialism are incompatable.

Keystone
February 13th, 2005, 04:40 PM
True most people do not actively know their ancestral gods but Wotan moves within the Collective Racial Unconscious and we can tap into the Wotan consciousness but first the Aryan must be willing to renounce and relinquish the Jewish "god".Most WNs who still cling to their childhood xtian indoctrination lack the courage to make that moral leap but once done they would find a sense of peace that they lacked before.
Xtianity and racialism are incompatable.
Maybe if more white folks would experience the old religions, things would be different. 99% of the people I knew growing up were racists, and we were all Christians. The CLERGY changed the discourse---not the laity.

I'm a member of the ADF and the Troth and enjoy their quarterly journals. I've been to a few blots up north of here. They were great. I haven't given up on Christianity totally, but I can see it down the road.