Are there any people out there that oppose white racialism that would like to debate race issues in this thread? Lets here it from the multiracists that promote the lie "there is no such thing as race". Racial differences exist and ought not to be ignored.

Are there any people out there that oppose white racialism that would like to debate race issues in this thread? Lets here it from the multiracists that promote the lie "there is no such thing as race". Racial differences exist and ought not to be ignored.

Racial differences? Other than melanine what would they be? Cultural differences, sure, those exist. Though it's hard to see what the hell you're so pissed off about. Gee, the AMish are different, too. They must be TEH JEWS.

Differences in criminal stupidity and raging ignorance, a la the whole contents of this fine site, should not be ignored. You know, if you really dislike multiculturalism, move to northern europe and hang out with the Danes or something. Fuck a Swede and raise little blonde babies. But those countries won't take you, will they? Maybe that should be a clue as to who the real "mud people" are.

Inbred fuckers.
Have a nice day, then die.

How about the tarbabys move out of nations created by Whites for Whites.
Like the US was created? By slave labor? All them white cotton pickers and sugarcane cutters? And all them white boys a drivin' spikes on the transcontinental railroad? Give me a fucking break.
Maybe they could move someplace warm like Africa or India. Of course, I wouldn't mind northern Europe at all. I doubt tarbaby could say the same about Africa or India.
I like it hot. Like your wife ^_^
"Oh that's just culture" LOL
Hmm. Looking back, I don't seem to have used the phrase "That's just culture", so what orifice did you pull that out of? Culture is the defining force of most people around the world - as race is not. Anyhow, I await your scintillating rebuttal with bated breath. And a pack of Kools.

Give me a fucking break.

I like it hot. Like your wife ^_^......

breath. And a pack of Kools.

Great name!
You really must get yourself an avatar(baby) to go with it

Racial differences? Other than melanine what would they be? Cultural differences, sure, those exist. Though it's hard to see what the hell you're so pissed off about. Gee, the AMish are different, too. They must be TEH JEWS.

Differences in criminal stupidity and raging ignorance, a la the whole contents of this fine site, should not be ignored. You know, if you really dislike multiculturalism, move to northern europe and hang out with the Danes or something. Fuck a Swede and raise little blonde babies. But those countries won't take you, will they? Maybe that should be a clue as to who the real "mud people" are.

Inbred fuckers.
Have a nice day, then die.

What an ignorant lout. Racial differences manifest themselves in every organ of the body, not just "melanine"LOL There is a reason why the average Black African has an IQ of 70 and the average Italian or German an IQ of 102. It is not mere coincidence.
No Tarbaby, these are OUR lands, we either originate from them or built them, YOU are the ones who need to get out. We deserve the same self-determination and homelands of our own that any other race does.

VIVA LA RAZA ARIA!


diabloblanco92

Racial differences? Other than melanine what would they be? Cultural differences, sure, those exist. Though it's hard to see what the hell you're so pissed off about. Gee, the AMish are different, too. They must be TEH JEWS.

Differences in criminal stupidity and raging ignorance, a la the whole contents of this fine site, should not be ignored. You know, if you really dislike multiculturalism, move to northern europe and hang out with the Danes or something. Fuck a Swede and raise little blonde babies. But those countries won't take you, will they? Maybe that should be a clue as to who the real "mud people" are.

Inbred fuckers.
Have a nice day, then die.

Multiculturalism is the catalyst of its own destruction. Eventually, if multiculturalism continues, multiculturalism will become more like uniculturalism. Sure, it will take several 100 years for these events for the transformation from multi to uni to complete, but should that deter us from taking action? At some point in the near future the different races and cultures of the world will have to be segregated. Failure to segregate these races and cultures will result in their destruction.

By your name,

LOL and what do you suggest I do? Change it for you? Come on dork. Italian blood flows through my veins, I know you don't like that but tough, you can't change it no more than you change the fact that your name is "Robert", ehhh!


as well as the content of your posts, you antagonize "our white people" with your racial hair-splitting, divide and conquer, yahoo-die tactics.

Get off it, "Robert" as far as "antagnoizing our white people" goes, well then I am only reacting and responding to what antagonist people like you post, for instance your attack upon my name now and I suppose name calling white racialist females is a brave thing to do? Divide and conquer? Maybe you should scold your pals for all their antagonizing!



You are quick to slander, insult, and otherwise cause a ruckus with "our people".


The root of the problem lies on your side - creating polls like: "Is diabloblanco white?"; "Southern European's have more in common with northern Europeans or Africans?" or being asked "are you a dago?"

Your problem is, you don't like "us people" standing up and crushing the lies and myths of "your people." If you don't like us reacting to your stereotypes, then stop posting stereotypes. You are blindly following these morons off the edge of the cliff like a flock of sheep.




Not to say that "white Italians" can't be concerned with their own tribal heritage. We should all embrace and preserve our racial roots.

What do you mean, "white Italians? Is that like "white Germans?" and their "tribal heritage?"


It wouldn't be in any "white Italian's" interests to ignite flame wars amongst their "racial comrads", who "should be" considered, at the very least, to be their temporary allies, during this crucial phase of "our" history.


That's funny for considering - one, it was the Italians that fought with Germany. Where was England? Norway? Denmark? Where were these "racial comrads" when you needed them most? Two - always see who is the root of the "flame war" - it certainly hasn't been us. Can you, with all honesty, admit that?


The racial differences between caucasians and negroes should be shouted from the rooftops to every person who has ears to listen.


No, really? As if I haven't been doing that to the people I meet.



[QUOTE=Robert]People of all races need to understand these vital truths for all of us to be successful in accomplishing our dreams.


As soon as "your people" stop insulting mine with irrational disparaging terms like "dago", the sooner the better. And FYI, I created this thread NOT for people like you to come in and bash me over my name and ......, but it was created for the OPPOSITION that is why I placed it in the Opposition Forum. Why do you feel you are in opposition with racialist whites?

whats all this?

mussolini was a good fighter for the white race, dont you know.

as for where all the opposition has gone, most of them have been banned because we couldn´t have the poor ickle fascists thinking they were wrong could we?

an uncensored forum for whites? that´s true, as long as they like hitler they can post whatever they like - its uncensored as long as they express a certian opinion...

at least "anti" forums dont straight LIE about what they´re about. the registration form here states that no "hateful" posts are allowed. fucking liars

Racial differences? Other than melanine what would they be?


It's more than just skin color, tests for over 60 years have proven, EVERY TIME, that in intelligence and brain weight, the order is white, oriental, black, and australian aboriginee, our brain weight is over 130 more grams than of a black, our IQ is 15-20 points on average higher, the frontal lobe of a black brain....unlike whites, its completely undeveloped, which denies them any intellectual advancement which can be shown, because throughout the years of evolution, no evolution was ever made by the negroids.


Cultural differences, sure, those exist. Though it's hard to see what the hell you're so pissed off about. Gee, the AMish are different, too. They must be TEH JEWS.


Culture and civilization are the product of the mind. The quality of our mind is a product of our race and genetic background. The different races have different mental traits such as behavior, intelligence, and artistic ability. These mental qualities determine the type and quality of a culture or civilization a race will form. As far as the Amish; racially identical people often produce similar cultural factors, have similar religions and achieve similar levels of civilization.

Liberal (or negroid) junkies like you do not even regard blacks as "American." Instead they are part of a "black community," or are "African-American" they are something set apart from American society and culture. When a black in America makes a painting, it is "negro art" when they write a novel it is "Afro-American lit." But when a white American makes a painting or writes a book it is American art and lit, regardless of their national heritage.

Besides these facts, my race is what makes me who I am. My genetics, culture, and heritage are the reasons I am who I am today and there is no reason that I shouldn't be proud of that. I am very proud of who I am and my race is a major and one of the most important factors of what makes me who I am.





Differences in criminal stupidity and raging ignorance, a la the whole contents of this fine site, should not be ignored.


You remain a prisoner of your own folly. "Criminal" stupidity? Well it has yet to be proven who the "criminals" are in this forum as speaking is not criminal activity. And as far as stupidity goes, one need not look beyond your name and insane diatribe.

You know, if you really dislike multiculturalism,

Of course you will preach multiculturalism while living nice and smugly in WHITE nation. If the jew-scribed niggering process of "multiculturalism" was progress, white people would want it. And if white people wanted it, the "Learned Elders" wouldn't need to keep demanding laws making it mandatory and enforcing it.



move to northern europe and hang out with the Danes or something.

Your racist attitude seems to be quite common among negroes. The left says that race doesn't matter because they know that it does: they want a Third World America and if blacks are oppressed in America, why isn't there a black exodus? Why do all those black Haitians want to come here? To be oppressed?
Obviously, your minimalist calibre is the only thing of clarity which is grasped by your speech. If you were declared an idiot, there would be reason to be grateful.



Fuck a Swede and raise little blonde babies. But those countries won't take you, will they? Maybe that should be a clue as to who the real "mud people" are.




Inbred fuckers.

Yes, in matters of race -- the liberal mind can seduce itself into betraying the very principles it claims to defend. It is obvious that you show a total lack of class as a rep. for your anti-white bigotry group.


Have a nice day, then die.


Keep smoking those Kools, loser.

Like the US was created? By slave labor? All them white cotton pickers and sugarcane cutters? And all them white boys a drivin' spikes on the transcontinental railroad? Give me a fucking break.


As if the picking cotton is the building of a nation. You negroids owe a lot to Eli Whitney who invented the cotton gin.



I like it hot. Like your wife ^_^

'Groids talk as dumb as they really are.



Hmm. Looking back, I don't seem to have used the phrase "That's just culture", so what orifice did you pull that out of?

It's what you have implied, ignoramus. You stated:
[QUOTE=tarbaby]Racial differences? Other than melanine what would they be?



Culture is the defining force of most people around the world - as race is not.

Culture does not create race. Race creats culture and if culture doesn't define that race, then why is there a "Chinese" culture? Who made Chinese culture?Arab culture? Indian culture? Every race has it's own known culture. If all the Chinese went extinct today, there would be no more "Chinese" to carry the culture on. Arabs do not create "Chinese" culture.


Anyhow, I await your scintillating rebuttal with bated breath. And a pack of Kools.


Spare us the rhetoric.

If Italia is the name on your birth certificate, fine. Most people are encouraged to use nicknames like, billy bob, or Robert, or Paul Revere.

Hmmm don't like your name now? Lets cut to the chase. I created this thread to debate the OPPOSITION, (READ: 'groid, Jew, liberal, etc...) you, however, come in here attacking me based on my nym and the defense I have provided for my friends in another thread. You are doing what the jooz do. Divide and conquer. That is what they do so you're not fooling anyone here, Robert, Robbie, Rob, Jewbyfruit, whatever.


Italia on first glance could appear to most people as a nickname. If it is your real name, fine, I would glady admit to wrongly guessing it was your chosen nickname..


You have taken this to quite some level. Insecure?


Does that justify calling me a dork? You are entitled to prove me right by slandering me, if you so desire. That was my only concrete concern anyway.

What's rather interesting is that you - who believes himself to be a "racially aware white person" are more intent in attacking a racially aware white female INSTEAD of focusing on the attacks from opposition i.e. "Tarbaby" I wonder why that is ? HMMMM. Could it be, perhaps you are one of them? You slandered me the moment you attacked my nym in your first sentence of your first post.



I suggested that your chosen nickname Italia is congruent with the content of your posts. Your posts have been divisive and slanderous. Not your chosen nickname or name, if you are not a compulsive liar.


My posts are no more divisive and slanderous as yours. Record has it, it is you that started this little war under this thread, liar. So that makes you the devisive and slanderous one! Thus, if that is supposed to be a didactic post in response to me, all that is left to say is that congruency is not your fort. And much for your "racial hair-splitting" tactics, hypocrite.




You accuse me of being an antagonist. I am, but only for Whites.

"Only for whites?" That could be taken two ways. Considering the fact that you are spewing bile against a white racialist such as myself.



I can't assume you are a white racialist female, because I've never met you.


That goes double for you.



I can only allow your own posts to judge you.

My word is my bond. Your posts judge you equally and your attack speak volumes. If you truely felt like white Italians and white Germans are "racial comrads" as you say, then why not speak up and tell them in the other thread? You're not too cowardly to tell them, are you?


My pals don't attempt to divide white against white.

You make a pathetic liar. "Italians are niggers"; "Italians have black blood", "are you a dago?", "Is Diablo black or white?". It goes on and on forever and you see it!




I never created that poll. Why do you accused me falsely. Accusing one falsely is a tried and true Yahoo-die tactic. Do you revere the yahoo-dies?



Perhaps you do, eh liar? You talk so much about "Yahoo-dies" you appear to be zealous of it. Do you YHAOO? Do you have something to tell us? *laughs* Here comes the victim mentality! LOL! Illiterate too? When did I ever "accuse" you of creating the poll? At least you are begining to admit that IT IS your side that antagonizes and instigates!


I don't pretend to believe that all people on this forum are white or people who want to advance white causes.


I don't recall ever stating that there are only whites that post within this site, so that is moot, furthermore, we do have the opposition thread created by the site owners to invite the opposition to discuss racial issues.

What causes have you "advanced?" The jooz divide and conquer cause? Your posts are self evident.



On the contrary, this is the Yahoo-dies favorite hang out. They love's listening to the rantings of whites.


Ok so by your own admittance you're a "Yahoo-die?" I guess it would take one (you) to know one (them)




My people see the "white italians" for who they really are. Those "white italians" that I refer to are simply "white people" who are Italians that happen to be "living white".

And my people see the "white Germans" for who they really are. Those "white Germans" that I refer to are simply "white people" who are Germans that happen to be "living white". The same can be said both ways, Robert.


Just because a negroe living in germany could be called a german, doesn't mean he is a "white-skinned German". A negroe is a negroe regardless of his geographic location.

Your point?



I can't say you have started all of the flame wars, but you sure seem eager to participate in them.

Like your petty little flame war against me?




I bashed you for your content and remarked that your nicknmame carries a similiar theme. If it's just a co-incidence, fine, prove me wrong by the future content of your posts.


***Note that Robert here admits that he started the petty little flame war that he accuses me of doing****

Why not prove to us that you do not hate white Italians? Why not prove to us that you do not hate white racialist females?



I'm not in opposition to real racialist whites..

Sure you are, otherwise you would be bashing people like "Tarbaby."


I'm in opposition to actors and actresses who pretend to be.

You're just a weak person who is easily influenced so maybe you'll get another chance.




Many are in oppostion to you being here at all if you are really a white racialist female, like you suggest.

Just as many are in opposition to the existance of the white race. Many are in opposition to you being here. I'm not going anywhere and if you don't like it then leave or shut up. So this is what it really boils down to. You hate women.


Most of our women are busying raising their children.

According to your mentality, then most of our men should be out working to provide food and clothing for their children. Why aren't you working?





Your simply being here, diddling on this forum, suggests you may not be a truly racially aware white woman.



You know, I really don't give a damn what you think. And if it's my "diddling", that you fear, then why ever do you feel the need to "diddle" back? You hate women, especially that of the racially aware variety. You are the reason why stupid people shouldn't breed!



Do you have children Italia? If not, why not? If so, who raises them? If not you, why not?


Do you have children Robert? If not, why not? If so, who raises them? If not you, why not? Why aren't you at work?

[QUOTE=Italia]It's more than just skin color, tests for over 60 years have proven, EVERY TIME, [QUOTE=Italia]

Now that is on target! Why don't you link the actual studies to offer verifiable proof?



Why don't you read a book? "Shockley On Eugenics And Race: The Application of Science to the Solution of Human Problems."



You know what one solution to human problems is, Robert? For you to stop attacking me because of what you believe to be as true.

Is it time or what? Italia is correct. If she is a diddler, I really shouldn't pay her any more attention. I suppose I should take the advice of those wiser than I and just "Ignore" the poor mis-directed female.

I might add, this thread that you started, beautifully illustrates why "real white women", need a forum they can call their own.

You beautifully illustrate why,
trying to logically-reason,
about men's issues,
with women
is;
a meaningless waste of time,
degrading to women,
and the cause of un-necessary trouble.
That is of course,
if you are at worst,
just a proud "white" Italian female.
Caio Italia



That's right, "Robert." Admit it. You are threatened by the mere challenge of a woman. Bail out of the discussion and make every excuse for it, coward. I KNEW it would come to this! You instigated this BS and attacks upon my character and identity, behaving like joo poo with your "divide an conquer" shit really embarassed you! Your brain is but a feather in a world of gale winds! You can't control me and it kills you! Oh, and BTW, my German husband says : "Go f* thyself, loser!"

And what's even more funnier is this absolute LOSER is telling me to "get off the net" when he is the one that LIVES here (11 posts per day vs. my 4 per day) the dog needs to practice what he preaches.

hahaha. This dupe obviously thinks I (and every other white racialist female) have to ass-kiss him and *prove* something to him. Incessant whining and sniveling of the eternal complainers and accusers....Go figure.

Racial differences exist and ought not to be ignored.
Sure they exist. Some races are better at some things than others. A Kenyan will run a marathon better than anyone else in the world.

But you never see a Kenyan message board that states only Kenyan's should be allowed to race, do you?

Are you whites afraid of the competition?

Sure they exist. Some races are better at some things than others. A Kenyan will run a marathon better than anyone else in the world.

But you never see a Kenyan message board that states only Kenyan's should be allowed to race, do you?

Are you whites afraid of the competition?

No, we are not afraid of the competition. We fear what continuing to live in a multiculturalist society will mean for white children. Basically, if society doesn't change its ways, my great grand kids will live in a world inhabbited by a race of muddish-browns. Why? Because all the races will have lived among each other for too long and will have mixed.

No, we are not afraid of the competition. We fear what continuing to live in a multiculturalist society will mean for white children. Basically, if society doesn't change its ways, my great grand kids will live in a world inhabbited by a race of muddish-browns. Why? Because all the races will have lived among each other for too long and will have mixed.
Then just don't mix. But what is wrong with letting people who do want to mix, do so? And how will you stop people from mixing? You'll have to have some sort of facist state to stop people from being with who they want. Why not just let people choose for themselves?

Hmmm, I wasn't aware that "Kenyan" was a race, I had always been under the impression that Kenya was a country. Hmmm, then I guess that "Zimbabwean" is a race as well? Wow, there sure are lots of races in Africa, huh?
Stunning refutation Colonel Kurtz. Maybe you'd like to actually address the point next time?

Stunning refutation Colonel Kurtz. Maybe you'd like to actually address the point next time?

Hey glex,
We are not allowed to celebrate our white culture, to do so is considered 'fascist' or nazi already, at the same time we are reminded to celebrate every one else's culture i.e Latino culture, Black culture, jew culture etc. if someone promotes white culture or white pride they are vilified, this reality is propogated by our mass media which is mysteriously owned entirely by jews. I won't even suggest conspiracy I guess it's a coincidence but never the less our hands are tied behind our backs. Yes a Kenyan can run a marathon but what civilizations or technoligies have the Kenyans come up with? squat. what race of people invented 99.9% of every aparatus that we use today and single handedly created western civilization (only to have it stolen and degraded by jews)? The non semetic white race, we are the creators and everyone else especially the niggers, mexicans and jews are the destroyers, the ultimate price for this has yet to have been paid.

We are not allowed to celebrate our white culture, to do so is considered 'fascist' or nazi already
Not allowed? What’s stopping you? It may be considered one thing or another, but so what? Do you really let other’s opinion matter that much to you?

at the same time we are reminded to celebrate every one else's culture i.e Latino culture, Black culture, jew culture etc. if someone promotes white culture or white pride they are vilified,
What is white culture? Point it out to me.
this reality is propogated by our mass media which is mysteriously owned entirely by jews. I won't even suggest conspiracy I guess it's a coincidence
There is no mystery, or coincidence. People simply gravitate to fields they are best in. And yes, people look out for their own. So what of it? I saw a thread on here earlier where someone said that Germans made up a great percentage of scientists. Does this mean there is a German conspiracy by the Germans to keep all science within their grasp?
Yes a Kenyan can run a marathon but what civilizations or technoligies have the Kenyans come up with? squat. what race of people invented 99.9% of every aparatus that we use today and single handedly created western civilization (only to have it stolen and degraded by jews)?
My point was that every race is good at something that other are not. You view running as unimportant, but technology as important. That Kenyan might think the reverse. So what of it? By the way, as someone who helped create civilization, what have you invented lately? I mean, you aren’t just resting on your ancestors laurels, are you?

The non semetic white race, we are the creators and everyone else especially the niggers, mexicans and jews are the destroyers, the ultimate price for this has yet to have been paid.
Name one black man, one Jewish man, one Mexican man who personally did something to hurt you.

Not allowed? What’s stopping you? It may be considered one thing or another, but so what? Do you really let other’s opinion matter that much to you?


If you want to know what's stopping him go buy a T-shirt that has white power symbols on the front. Now go out for a night on the town with the T-shirt on. Frankly, I'll be shocked if you return home without having been jumped. Now if you bought a shirt that a black or mexican nationalist might wear chances are no one would ever hassle you about the shirt.

Sure they exist. Some races are better at some things than others. A Kenyan will run a marathon better than anyone else in the world.



Of course, a Kenyan should be able to run the fastest. Fast, just like a cheeta! Right? They've been running from wild animals for thousands of years, yet never managed to domesticate any of them while whites have domesticated many- we never had the need to run from them...like cowards.



But you never see a Kenyan message board that states only Kenyan's should be allowed to race, do you?.

I don't think a "Kenyan" message board even exists! I do however see blacks on message boards expressing their irrational hate for whites.


Are you whites afraid of the competition?


What competition? Blacks are left in the dust when it comes to cultural achievement. Whites have a long-standing winning record. This is also a battle for truth, as likened to a chess game and thus far, by the grace of God, I am winning. Your move!

I don't think a "Kenyan" message board even exists! I do however see blacks on message boards expressing their irrational hate for whites.
Why their hatred “irrational”, but yours "rational"?

Why their hatred “irrational”, but yours "rational"?



In any racial conflict one must support the non-white side in order to be Politically Correct. It doesn't matter what the blacks are doing to the Whites: if you complain about it, you will be accused of "racism".

The two main enemies of Western civilization: The ACLU is best described as "The American Communist Liberties Union", while the NAACP is simply an organization which boosts blacks and attempts to put whites and their culture six feet under.

Sorry, I really can't help the fact that you mistakenly believe that "Kenyan" is a race, which it most certainly isn't. Are you also making the false assumption that all Kenyans belong to only one race? I will assume that you mean the nigger race, correct? Well, I'd bet there's plenty of White Kenyans, and yes, I'd also bet that they are fantastic runners, unless, of course, Kenya has laws in effect which prohibit their White citizens from "running". And yes, everyone knows that running is one of the most important pursuits of mankind, and a measure by which all races can be judged. What an incredibly brilliant post, Glex, some races are good at some things, while other races are good at other things. Hmmm, I'm sure we've NEVER heard that one before.

This is the guy who, in another thread, tells me the Bolsheviks went to war with the Ukraine to conquer land, in the mid 1930s - a real strong grasp of history.

Name one black man, one Jewish man, one Mexican man who personally did something to hurt you.

Oh God I just love it when somebody says something like that. What has "so and so" done something to YOU. Would this imply that as long as no one has "done" anything to YOU that YOU shouldn't care about what happens? Kind of like, I don't care about homosexuals, murderers, child molesters, rapists because they've never done anything to me. What a selfish way to think, just think only of yourself. But I guess thats a product of today's wonderful democratic way of life isn't it?

Why their hatred “irrational”, but yours "rational"?


Anyone notice, this multiracist can't even respond to an entire post?

What a real dupe.

I suppose that because there are black slaves in Saudi Arabia, therefore the slaves built Saudi Arabia and the arabs need to leave?
Where did you get the idea I was advocating anyone except white supremacists and psychopaths to leave the US?
Also, since the US is funding Israel, and Britain signed Palestine over to jews, therefore Americans and British are entitled to move there and kick the jews out. LOL @ another moron anti.
Again, another charmimg Straw Man argument. Wow. I knew the WS movement was staffed by the terminally under-powered (insofar as intellect went, not counting horsepower generated by monster trucks and tractor pulls) but let's try to keep roughly addressing actual points. For starters, if you claim there are actual racial (as opposed to cultural or economic) reasons for different IQ scores - let's see some stats on the fact from a neutral source (Not White Doctors for Killing Nigger Babies or wherever) and let's see them crossindexed with income. The last good study by the government that I saw showed a parity within +/- 2% on IQ between anyone within a given economic stratum - money, and access to schools, rather than race seems to be the real determinant factor. So go ahead, refute that, with facts, you juggalos, not rumor or propaganda.

Kill A Klansman for Khrist!

Where did you get the idea I was advocating anyone except white supremacists and psychopaths to leave the US?


Yah, a piece of trash telling the descendants of the Forefathers to leave their own nation. Why don't you leave!!! This is not your country!!!

According to your muddled mentality, the Founding Fathers would be considered supremacists/psychopathic. But as you know, you're trash and not worthy to make any decisions for white America. You whine, even when there is no need to. You denounce white supremacy, yet desire and benefit from the superior abilities and advanced civilization of the white race every day of your life.

Thomas Jefferson could hardly have thought that his statement in opposition to the establishment of a nobility in America would one day be the instrument by which the inferior elements of the world would clamor for equality with their superiors. Indeed, the same man who wrote, "All men are created equal" also wrote, "Nothing is more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people." As all learned men at that time knew (and many still know today), the races are not equal to one another. Nor are individuals within the same race equal to one another. Hierarchy between races and within races is simply the law of life, and this law patently reveals that no two things not exactly alike are "equal" to one another.



Kill A Klansman for Khrist!

Shut up and wash and get out my country or go back to being slaves hookers or go go dancers.

[QUOTE=Max_Power]Calling you a "bumbling oaf" is a major understatement.


Your life is a worthless existance, we know, but don't you have anything better to do than pick on white racialists, flat nose?

But he isn't a white racialist. See for yourself.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=6518&postcount=5

sir_william_shockley:

"By the way, I am not a "White racialist.""



Damn you're dumb, What SWS posts concerning his use of the term "white" is up to him. But who the hell are you? You, having such a flat nose would not be classified as white according to nordicist standards anyway.

But he isn't a white racialist. See for yourself.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=6518&postcount=5

sir_william_shockley:

"By the way, I am not a "White racialist.""


ehehehe...Everyone has the option of believing what they want to believe. Shockly believes in a much nobler cause than white nationalism.

You seem to favor northern european nationalism, mr. power, but you are just a short stumpy flatnosed barbaro. They'd never accept you as an ideal n. european type. We won't accept you in S. Europe either. Try Africa or aborginial Australia---they have some blondes there with flat noses. I'm sure you'll like it. ;)

Yah, a piece of trash telling the descendants of the Forefathers to leave their own nation. Why don't you leave!!! This is not your country!!!

According to your muddled mentality, the Founding Fathers would be considered supremacists/psychopathic. But as you know, you're trash and not worthy to make any decisions for white America. You whine, even when there is no need to. You denounce white supremacy, yet desire and benefit from the superior abilities and advanced civilization of the white race every day of your life.
What benefits? Wal-Mart and pork rinds? And since when does the constitution refer to "white America"? Fucking retards.


Thomas Jefferson could hardly have thought that his statement in opposition to the establishment of a nobility in America would one day be the instrument by which the inferior elements of the world would clamor for equality with their superiors. Indeed, the same man who wrote, "All men are created equal" also wrote, "Nothing is more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people." As all learned men at that time knew (and many still know today), the races are not equal to one another. Nor are individuals within the same race equal to one another. Hierarchy between races and within races is simply the law of life, and this law patently reveals that no two things not exactly alike are "equal" to one another.

Hmm. Maybe because Jefferson was a slave owner who fucked his little pickininny crack whores in preference to his dyke wife? And legal equality is NOT the same thing as empirical equality. Any dickslap knows that no two people are identical in all respects. You, for instance, have a much smaller dick than I.



Shut up and wash and get out my country or go back to being slaves hookers or go go dancers.

Go go dancers? Whose dick have you been smoking? Crawl back in your mud hut in Norway and fuck some reindeer, you chinless wonder.

You seem to be wearing a blindfold, mr DiRenzo. Where have I advocated northern european nationalism?

Eh you're actually right...you don't advocate northern european nationalism, you put down northern european groups to feed your phenotypical insecurities. :) My mistake...


Nah, I wouldn't want to take up your living space.

You're right then too...we meds have been colonizing Australia for the past 50 years. Many Italians and Greeks there. Thanks for saying its ours for it will be when all the anglos, asians and aboriginies are gone! ;)

What benefits? Wal-Mart and pork rinds? And since when does the constitution refer to "white America"? Fucking retards.


Of course you don't want to admit to the gifts and advancements the white race has unfortunatly blessed yours with. But you'll damn sure take them, even if you have to steal it. You can winge and whine all you want, but you aren't going to leave North America because deep down inside your soulless black heart, you know you have it good. You don't want to give the whites the pleasure of knowing it. You don’t deserve anything more than what you had when you were slaves.



Hmm. Maybe because Jefferson was a slave owner who fucked his little pickininny crack whores


Your mental capacity is infantile, - divert the facts like an ignoramus and spew lies. Sally Hemings was predominantly white by blood and appearance. She was classified as white in the 1830 Census. Besides that, DNA test proved that Thomas Jefferson was not Eston's father.


And legal equality is NOT the same thing as empirical equality.


It is NOT TRUE that the states are required to treat every person as equal before the law. The "equal protection" clause occurs only in the 14th Amendment, which was not ratified and is not law.



Any dickslap knows that no two people are identical in all respects.


Then good for you, dickslap.


You, for instance, have a much smaller dick than I.

Here comes the typical negroidal fag "dick"talk. I don't have a dick at all, spuzz mouth.


Go go dancers? Whose dick have you been smoking? Crawl back in your mud hut in Norway and fuck some reindeer, you chinless wonder.


Save your breath for your inflatable girlfriend. You're an impotent human being; fear and self-loathing emanate from each of your posts. Try medication for your self-esteem issues. If that doesn't work, there's always the option of self-induced euthanasia.

You seem to be wearing a blindfold, mr DiRenzo. Where have I advocated northern european nationalism?

You advocated it the day you attacked Southern Europeans (as witnessed below) Why must you be reminded of these things, Little Oswald? Are you sick in the head? On drugs? Suck too many a toe?




Nah, I wouldn't want to take up your living space.

Just the typical unabashed mouthings of whatever inanitites from "Max Power."

Not since Jose's sister stopped answering my phone calls. That slut.

Can't blame her man. Why would she want you? Look at you, trying to suck the toes of mediterranean girls. That makes you a short, stubby toesucking racemixer. Keep drooling over his sister, it proves us right about our believes. But you'll never get her. She is out of your reach...it is tormenting you...ohh how you want to suck her toes...you dream about it every night....so close yet so far away....you keep yearning...and yearning....and yearning.....

How pathetic :rolleyes:

You're firing blanks, friend.

Can't refute it can you, ol' buddy ol' pal? ;)

You're appealing to an erroneous authority. Rushton is a psychologist, not a physical anthropologist

And what's funnier, is that you have deceived yourself to be both.


I never claimed to be an engineer. I was trained to be a software programmer.


You claimed to want to be a Computer science PhD. That is an engineer. Oh so now its software? Which software? Because you sure were computer illiterate when talking to my husband. The only thing you can claim to be is a seriously troubled flat nose cyber stalker.



Find me a dark blond, blue-eyed, sub-brachycephalic sub-saharan African. Just one.

I found one. It's name is Scott.



Why did you pick up the phone after I dialed his number?


I expect such crass punchlines from 'groids, but then again....



You don't even know what a "nordic" person looks like. You called yourself "nordic" for the longest time.



Another lie by blow dryer. SWS never ever claimed to be "Nordic." You, however, claimed your mother as "Greek" for months, thus claiming a Med Greek heritage. Tis it is you who does not know what Nordic or Med looks like, that congoid nose of yours has you so confused, you can't even smell your way out of the lies you've concocted.


If you're the standard for "nordic" then of course I'd fall short.

You fall short regardless.

Not since Jose's sister stopped answering my phone calls. That slut.




You're a man-whore Scott, that's no lie.
The line between reality and imagination doesn’t exist for you.

I talk to her on the phone almost every day. We may not be together now, but we will be soon. :)



She dumped you for being a liar, and a loser. You said so yourself.

You're firing blanks, friend.




The only one firing blanks is the loser in the bathroom.

Then she must have higher standards than you.



At least I never dated trash like you.

At least I never dated trash like you.

Why is it that Jose hides behind a woman everytime he's on the losing side of a debate?

It's a New Year, Max Power, and this shit is getting old. If you want the feud to continue, it's your choice, but you should really reflect on your behavior and how pointless your antics are. You are hardly the innocent person you claim to be, and this board shows evidence of that in abundance.

Well, if they were so "pointless," you would not have responded in kind.

I didn't realize you and this woman have been taking my remarks so seriously all this time. I thought we were having a grand ol time trading insults. Apparently not.

Gee, yeah, this is so much fun -- following people around and wasting hours upon hours checking their posts like a creepy lurker and firing dull-witted responses, thinking you're the neo-Oscar Wilde.

It doesn't take hours to check your posts. I just go to the member list, click your name and I'm taken to your latest posts.

But yes, I got some good laughs at Cola's remarks comparing you to Aborigines based on your morphology.

Don't take my comments seriously. They're in jest.

In fact, her life was made so miserable by the overwhelming negative reaction to her proposal, she was forced to quit that high school and enroll at another. So, why don't you ask her "What's stopping you?". Got the point yet, smartass?

I don't doubt that the condemnation faced by that little girl was tremendously hard for her. But this is a group of hard Aryan warriors! What’s stopping YOU, toughguy? You want to change how 90% of this world thinks, with the snap of a finger? Without any work? Good luck

Why their hatred “irrational”, but yours "rational"?

Why, because they are hated (and not least, hated by themselves) for their vices, whereas we are hated for our virtues. Nothing's so hard to forgive as a favor.... But for all our real and imagined faults, blacks all over the world realize and admit by their actions, if not also their words, that they still get a better deal, by far, from 'ebil whitey', than they ever do as a rule, from their fellow blacks.

As we all can see, Italia, there is no intelligent opposition to White self-interest, but there is plenty of hateful, noisy, and above all dishonest opposition to it, nonetheless. And the most effective there are, as far as I can tell, posting mostly on the main forum, pretending (albeit very unconvincingly IMO) that they are in our camp. But there really is no way to oppose White Nationalism without resorting to lies or force.

Now, as far as Glex's last post... nearly 90% of the world already does agree with us, basically, even if they don't forthrightly admit it--as evinced by Glex himself. ("Birds of a feather flock together," unless they are compelled to do otherwise.) The only major point of contention is: whom to cull and whom to cultivate.

As we all can see, Italia, there is no intelligent opposition to White self-interest, but there is plenty of hateful, noisy, and above all dishonest opposition to it, nonetheless.
Well, I think the quote is about white nationalism, not white self-interest. Anyway, I have no problem with white self interest. Or black or brown or Jewish or whatever. The problem I think most people have with you types isn’t that you want to segregate yourselves, it’s that you want to segregate everybody else.

That is the sticking point for me. If you want to buy some island and move all you white brothers there, go to it. No problem. But saying that you will pick a place (America, for instance) and start killing or removing all people you don’t like, that’s a different story.

You want self interest? Great. Build your own country. This one’s taken.

As if you didn't realize, this "group of hard Aryan warriors" is hardly a group at all, considering that we're spread out, not only over the entire USA, but also worldwide.
Actually I did notice. But answer me this. What group did that little girl belong to? She didn’t hide behind a “we are too spread out over the country” cop out, did she?

So, in answer to your question: NOTHING is stopping me, NOTHING can stop me, and I will continue doing what I've been doing for the last ten years, because I am now seeing the fruits of my labors locally.
Well obviously something is stopping you, or you would have results by now, wouldn’t you?
If there's 1,000 like me across the USA, I can guarantee there's 1,000 smoldering fires which only need a nice stiff breeze.......
I’m not so sure that’s true. How can you be?

This country (conquered and developed by our forefathers) is "taken" --ah, gee, Glex, ya THINK? There are 1.5M immigrants pouring into the US annually; in a few decades, we'll have the population that India had a few decades ago. There are 5 BILLION people who would benefit by coming here; after all, "they just want a better life for themselves;" do you think they have just as much right to live here as you and I? Do you think that lifeboat USA might founder when it carries not only those who built it, but also everyone else who--unable or unwilling to clean up after themselves, unable to produce anything but 3rd-world hell-holes-- 'needs' it? "Taken"? Yeah, it's taken alright, but you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Re segregation: Perhaps you have forgotten that the right to freely associate is mutual; that is, both parties must be willing. If either is unwilling, the other cannot force their association on that one. At least, that's what it meant when we actually had that freedom. Personally, I don't care with whom the rest of the world chooses to live, but they do care, and they also, the vast majority of them, choose to separate, voluntarily, when given the chance. "Birds of a feather flock together." The Hutus, the Tutsis, the Malays, the Chinese, the Kurds, the Crips, the Bloods... you name 'em, they are very evidently already far too close together, far too long ahead of their readiness to have much to do with one another. Perhaps neither you nor most of your fellow vociferous boosters of "diversity" have ever considered that the only way to preserve it (real diversity, that is) is via separation. Surely the white race is worth preserving (the primary White interest), and the only way to preserve it, in the long run, is through nations which are exclusively or mostly white, and reversing our current suicidal immigration "laws" (read: invasion). Glex, you do see this, don't you? You don't really appear to be stupid, just persistently dissembling. Can you be so obtuse by mere accident? I doubt it.

Re segregation: Perhaps you have forgotten that the right to freely associate is mutual; that is, both parties must be willing. If either is unwilling, the other cannot force their association on that one.
That's exactly my point as well. But you white nationalists aren’t talking about mutuality. You are talking about taking over and hanging every non-white from coast to coast. You want to force your disassociation on others. It is absolutely no different than what you say the Jews do to you.

You claim the Jewish people use their power to force people to associate. You want to get power so you can force people to not associate. I think a third party would be hard pressed to tell the difference between those two positions.

"Birds of a feather flock together"? "Opposites attract"!

Well, I think the quote is about white nationalism, not white self-interest.

White nationalism is white self-interest. It goes hand in hand.


Anyway, I have no problem with white self interest. Or black or brown or Jewish or whatever. The problem I think most people have with you types isn’t that you want to segregate yourselves, it’s that you want to segregate everybody else.

You say you have no problem with Jewish self-interest, yet how many nations in the world today openly boast of segregation? A Barak campaign billboard in 1999 proclaimed: "Peace Through Separation: Us Here Them Over There." You are a hypocrite.

Unfortunately, we have tried integration your way. IT DOES NOT WORK! You're just going to have to blame God for being the Supreme Segregationist. You don't like it? Tough!



That is the sticking point for me. If you want to buy some island and move all you white brothers there, go to it.

We did, and you followed. Just like how you come to these rooms to be close to your masters. - It's called America.


No problem. But saying that you will pick a place (America, for instance) and start killing or removing all people you don’t like, that’s a different story.


“For the 20 percent of violent crimes that are interracial, 15 percent involve black offenders and white victims; 2 percent involve white offenders and black victims; and 3 percent involve other combinations.” "Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics"



You want self interest? Great. Build your own country. This one’s taken.


Why don't you leave the White Man alone - return to a simpler jungle state where you develop sharper teeth or claws and simply accept whatever is thrown at you by nature.

As we all can see, Italia, there is no intelligent opposition to White self-interest, but there is plenty of hateful, noisy, and above all dishonest opposition to it, nonetheless.



Exactly, Ossian. These "Gorillas in the mist" do not want to leave the white race and return to their uncivilized lands because they know they have it good among us. Why should they return to a primitive state with no modern luxuries? "We be loves dem Lexis ans fried chicken."

Whites were forced to associate at gunpoint. Ask Governor Wallace and the showdown with National Guard troops when blacks were made to go to school with Whites for the first time in his state. INTEGRATION WAS FORCED.

Glex, you are either a clueless anti-White or a blatant hypocrite.
And you want to force DIS-INTEGRATION. How is it any different? Honestly, explain it to me. They want to use force to integrate. You want to use force to stop integration. What's the difference?

You want to use force to stop integration. What's the difference?
We don't have to use force to stop integration. NO WHITE PEOPLE choose to live in a black community. Given the choice, White people ALWAYS choose to live among other Whites. It's called "freedom of association." It's not force, it's freedom.

You say you have no problem with Jewish self-interest, yet how many nations in the world today openly boast of segregation? A Barak campaign billboard in 1999 proclaimed: "Peace Through Separation: Us Here Them Over There." You are a hypocrite.
I fail to see what a Barak campaign billboard has to do with anything. I’m all for voluntary separation. Voluntary. You are the ones who want the day of the rope.

Unfortunately, we have tried integration your way. IT DOES NOT WORK! You're just going to have to blame God for being the Supreme Segregationist. You don't like it? Tough!
My way? Letting people choose on their own? Horrible! Explain to me how it doesn’t work. Because I see it working just fine. I think people should be able to marry whomever they want.You refer to all non-believers as “lemmings”. I think people are smart enough to choose.

We did, and you followed. Just like how you come to these rooms to be close to your masters. - It's called America.
I had as much choice in my parents and where I was born as you did.


“For the 20 percent of violent crimes that are interracial, 15 percent involve black offenders and white victims; 2 percent involve white offenders and black victims; and 3 percent involve other combinations.” "Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics"
Impressive statistics. But my point was that if you get the power you want, their will be a bloodbath beyond all imagination. In fact, some white nationalists outright drool at the thought. “Just wait till we rise up, jewboy”.

I can picture some of the posters on this forum now, furiously masturbating at the thought of millions of swinging bodies, crying out “White Power!” as they reach their highest moment, envisioning Dr. Pierce smiling down on them as they reach for the tissue.

Why don't you leave the White Man alone - return to a simpler jungle state where you develop sharper teeth or claws and simply accept whatever is thrown at you by nature.
I’m white, so your whole jungle thing was rather ineffective. Of course now, I expect to be called a Jew. That’s the inevitable comeback. Either a Jew or black, because no white person would disagree, right? White nationalists really do see the world in black or white, don't they?

It’s caveman thinking:
Jews try take over world. We stop them!
Blacks try rape woman. We kill them!
Women only good for food and fuck. Why you no in kitchen or bedroom?
White men good. ONLY white men good. We save world, somehow.

Use your brain Vnn’ers. Shades of grey exist all around.

We don't have to use force to stop integration. NO WHITE PEOPLE choose to live in a black community. Given the choice, White people ALWAYS choose to live among other Whites. It's called "freedom of association." It's not force, it's freedom.
NO white people? None? What a moronic generalization. But that’s what white nationalism is all about, isn’t it? Moronic generalizations. All Jews are this way. All blacks are that way. Just stupid, untested, generalizations.

I fail to see what a Barak campaign billboard has to do with anything. I’m all for voluntary separation. Voluntary.

I guess the wall being built is imaginary for you, eh (as if you haven't heard about it)? It's interesting that you defend Jewish segregation. Tell me, do you also defend Jews killing Palestinian women and children?


You are the ones who want the day of the rope. .

I haven't seen anyone in here say anything about rope. I have seen you agreeing with an antiwhite bigot about whites screwing sheep. So who are you to accuse? Blacks aren't killing whites? Blacks don't riot and burn down cities if something doesn't go their way? You think black supremacists don't want the "day of the rope?"


My way? Letting people choose on their own? Horrible! Explain to me how it doesn’t work. Because I see it working just fine. .


You're right, "White flight" and white segregation works just fine. Only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism.



I think people should be able to marry whomever they want.You refer to all non-believers as “lemmings”. I think people are smart enough to choose..


Do you live in a white neighborhood, Glex? Do you prefer innercity ghettos which are black and riddled with crime? Or do you prefer white neighborhoods where there is hardly any crime? You should prefer your own.

Witness the dilapidated buildings, run down schools, and tattered homes (with bars) Indeed, the disintegration of black neighborhoods and cities are squarely before everyone's eyes. And no one with a choice dares to live amongst them.



I had as much choice in my parents and where I was born as you did..


So if you don't like it, then leave.


Impressive statistics. But my point was that if you get the power you want, their will be a bloodbath beyond all imagination.


You mean just like that anti white killer, Mugabe? You think whites should just sit still and watch our people be destroyed? A genuinely "colorblind" society is as unlikely as a flipped coin landing on its edge. Inevitably, the coin falls on one side or the other. It is better that the White side is on top, no matter the plaudits you gain from the world press for bowing to the (always) "inevitable" claims of 'democracy' and 'simple human justice.'



In fact, some white nationalists outright drool at the thought. “Just wait till we rise up, jewboy”..



You take this stuff personal(but then maybe you should). Are you trying to tell us something?


I’m white, so your whole jungle thing was rather ineffective.



You exhibit Jewish mentality and you're a black apologist; I put you in the same category as the negro. Go to your beloved Africa where you belong, you deserve it for coddling the most uncivilized, barbaric, and backward race ever.

...
The problem I think most people have with you types ...

But you white nationalists aren’t ...

But that’s what white nationalism is all about, isn’t it? Moronic generalizations.



:rolleyes:

Now, to reiterate what everyone is telling you but you are refusing to hear: Integration is, must be, has always been, forced. Separation occurs naturally and voluntarily. I have neither desire nor need to "force" that on anyone. For you to pretend otherwise is totally dishonest... but then, that's what you seem to be. Those scant few exeptions, who for whatever reason, want to live apart from those like them are welcome to it... if those unlike them will have them, that is.
I must repeat, can anyone continually appear as hopelessly stupid as you, or our other beloved "anti"-racists (read:anti-White racists) by mere happenstance? I tend to doubt it. More than likely it is on purpose.

I applaud Glex for coming to a WNist website and talking to people. However I must now aknowledge that Glex is probably someone who doesn't want to know beyond what he sees on television. It's too much for him. It's too radical for his world. It threatens his daily life and therefore he doesn't want to have anything to do about it. No amount of facts are going to convince him, well atleast I think it probably wont happen and atleast not now. Maybe sometime later in his life something will happen and one day hes going to wake up and say, hey those racists were right. Hehehe, of course that event is going to happen to EVERY white race some time in the future once Whites become a minority and the subhumans show us their brotherly love.

Here's a moronic generaliztion for you: White shitforbrains like you never fail to generalize about what a dreary world it would be if there were no diversity, i.e., how could any group of Whites only, ever live without Chinese or Mexican food (this is the extent of their shitforbrains argument FOR diversity).
Please show where I have said this.

Then, when White Nationalists plead for a peaceful separation to a place, say, only one of the fifty States where admission is granted by race only, suddenly the self-righteous like you can't tolerate the thought.
I can tolerate it just fine. When have I ever said otherwise? Go ahead and separate. Just don’t force others to.

Why is this? Are you afraid perhaps, that such a place for Whites would quickly fill to the brim with Whites fleeing from the rest of the country, and FINALLY put your claims about the undesirability of segragation to the lie?!
I never said it was undesirable. Please point out where I said it was.

If our fedgov ever wanted to appease the thousands, nay, the millions of Whites who'd prefer to live amongst their own, and set aside a land area for this purpose, even as a test, I'll guarantee I'd be there within one month, assuming, of course, that there'd be any room left. So, how's about putting your money where your mouth is, and help us in this endeavour, just so you can prove us all wrong? Wouldn't that make you happy?
Why would I help you with your endeavor? A white state is your dream, not mine. Go ahead and build your new state, for all I care. But don’t complain when California becomes all Mexican, or Georgia all black. Your white state makes those possible.

I guess the wall being built is imaginary for you, eh (as if you haven't heard about it)? It's interesting that you defend Jewish segregation. Tell me, do you also defend Jews killing Palestinian women and children?
If you are referring to the wall being built in Israel, then yes, I have heard about it. But they need it and we don’t. And before you say “We are being killed too (by blacks or Mexicans or Jews or whatever), please answer me this. When was the last time a non-white strapped 40 pounds of dynamite to their chest and blew up a nightclub in America? Never, of course. But it happens in Israel. Special circumstances require special responses. If your country was under attack in a similar way, you’d build a wall too. So would I. I’m all for separation. Never said I wasn’t. I’m against forced separation. The kind you want to bring about.

I haven't seen anyone in here say anything about rope.
Search on this forum for “day of the rope”, with quotes. I show 14 forums where this phrase is found.

I have seen you agreeing with an antiwhite bigot about whites screwing sheep.
Actually what I said was “If they (you white nationalists) had a child of a sheep, they would still argue about whether it was white or not”. Is that not true? Have not the most recent threads been about who is white and who is not?

So who are you to accuse?
Well, I don’t think I’ve made any accusations, but that sounds like the bleating of a Christian “Who are you to judge?” Well I will tell you who I am to judge. A rational human being.

Blacks aren't killing whites? Blacks don't riot and burn down cities if something doesn't go their way? You think black supremacists don't want the "day of the rope?"
Yet their day of the rope is somehow worse than your day of the rope. Why is that?

You're right, "White flight" and white segregation works just fine. Only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism.
Are whites that easily tricked?

Do you live in a white neighborhood, Glex? Do you prefer innercity ghettos which are black and riddled with crime? Or do you prefer white neighborhoods where there is hardly any crime? You should prefer your own.
I do live in a white neighborhood, and I do prefer my own. But I want the right to prefer others, if I so choose! It reminds me of a line from a book. “I don’t want to argue with him. I want to be able to argue if I wanted to argue!”
You white nationalists want exactly what you claim the Jews want, but just the opposite. You claim they want to force integration. You want to force segregation. I fail to see how it is different.

Witness the dilapidated buildings, run down schools, and tattered homes (with bars) Indeed, the disintegration of black neighborhoods and cities are squarely before everyone's eyes. And no one with a choice dares to live amongst them.
I doubt anyone would want to live in a slum, no matter what color the population was.

So if you don't like it, then leave.
I could say the same to you. You don't like what America is becoming? Leave.


You mean just like that anti white killer, Mugabe? You think whites should just sit still and watch our people be destroyed? A genuinely "colorblind" society is as unlikely as a flipped coin landing on its edge. Inevitably, the coin falls on one side or the other. It is better that the White side is on top, no matter the plaudits you gain from the world press for bowing to the (always) "inevitable" claims of 'democracy' and 'simple human justice.'
Would you think "it would be better" if you weren’t white? Wouldn’t the Republican say “It’s better if we are on top”? Wouldn’t the Democrat? Wouldn’t the Jew? Why are they wrong but you are right?


You take this stuff personal(but then maybe you should). Are you trying to tell us something?
I’m not sure how you came to conclude I’m taking it personally. And I’m not selling anything, any more than you are. The only thing I’m “selling” is a point of view.

You exhibit Jewish mentality and you're a black apologist; I put you in the same category as the negro. Go to your beloved Africa where you belong, you deserve it for coddling the most uncivilized, barbaric, and backward race ever.
Give me an example of “Jewish mentality”. Quote me a post where I have excused black criminal behavior. Show me where I said I’d like to move to Africa.

I applaud Glex for coming to a WNist website and talking to people. However I must now aknowledge that Glex is probably someone who doesn't want to know beyond what he sees on television. It's too much for him. It's too radical for his world.
Thank you Doctor, for your analysis. But my problem with white nationalism is not how radical it is, nor is it due to over exposure to television. The problem is that I fail to see how white nationalism is any better than Jewish nationalism, black nationalism, etc. For some reason, the team in the red shirts are evil, but the us in the blue shirts are good.

It threatens his daily life and therefore he doesn't want to have anything to do about it.
Would I be here If that were true? I like to think I have an open mind. Here I am. Convince me.

No amount of facts are going to convince him, well atleast I think it probably wont happen and atleast not now. Maybe sometime later in his life something will happen and one day hes going to wake up and say, hey those racists were right. Hehehe, of course that event is going to happen to EVERY white race some time in the future once Whites become a minority and the subhumans show us their brotherly love.
Well, based on the dearth of “facts” being presented here, I won’t hold my breath. As far as your dismissive “maybe something will happen to change his mind”, I can only hope that someday, maybe something will happen to change your mind. Hehe, of course that event is going to happen to EVERY white racist some time in the future.

Frankly, the difference is that North America and Europe were founded as nations by Whites for Whites, not by Whites for everybody.
Where did you get this idea? Can you show me the founding documents for these countries where it says this?

The kikes looked like us more than they looked like any other race I listed above. They got a foothold in our nations and came to power, bringing their misguided multiculturalism down on all our heads, while getting a ton of anti-Whites duped to support their destructive program.
Wow, whites sure are easy to fool! But let me ask you. How did they get their foot in the door in the first place? I mean, if for the longest time, whites had this racial solidarity, how could those “stupid jews” even stand a chance?

Whatever they did, why can’t you use the same tactics, to meet your goals?

Making a difference for everyone involved means getting people back in their proper places where they belong, not this chaotic mishmash that the fool kikes invented for us.
So ultimately, you want to kick every non-white out (whoever that is), and build a new Berlin wall. But you’ll need to turn the guns inside as well as outside, won’t you? Why would you willingly sell yourself into a fascist system?

Yes, this is the difference between those with character and those lacking character. The world has always had tough choices and the limp wrist soft bellies are too squeemish to do anything but conform against all reason.
What tough choices Vlad? To choose to respond to me, or to choose to simply agree with another person? What was the choice you made? Now that’s what I call lack of character!

My problem with your so-called "color blindness" is that, in terms of real world results, you are only interested in doing it in white majority countries. You demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. You demand your so-called race mixing, which is actually only white mixing, and you use public money for busing
and "low-cost"(black) housing.

Tthe white race is your Pee Cee target. When your academic heroes are "dealing with the race problem", they target the white race all the time. Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final solution to the white problem.

I'm a White Nationalist and I don't want to "force segregation". Forced segregation is not necessary, just voluntary separation, although voluntary segregation will not even be allowed by our ZOG in the foreseeable future. Are you making the hideous mistake of blanket generalizations?
How will you maintain that wonderful voluntary segregation? Unless you move to an unpopulated desert, there will be people there you need to remove. Since you probably won’t be able to reason with them, you only have one choice as for how to deal with them.

Now I know the prospect of bloodshed doesn’t phase you tough Aryan warriors. But what happens after the battle? You’ve got your white homeland. How do you keep it white? What if one of your ambassadors (I assume you’ll want contact with the outside world), journeys to say, Japan, and gets himself a Japanese wife. What then? Will you refuse him entry? You’d have to, if you wanted to be consistent right?

So where has the “voluntary” gone? You’ve gone from all of your people choosing to cede from the world to your forcing them to do so.

You’ll have to keep the guns of your empire turned outside to stop invaders, and inside to stop dissenters. What if a woman of your glorious white land decides to “betray her race”? Maybe nails the gardener, whatever. Well, based on what I’ve seen here, she’d be killed!

Even as bad as America is right now, no one gets the death penalty for dating outside their race. But in your society it would be an absolute requirement to do so.

Think about it. You refer to 80% of the white population as lemmings. Dumb. Too stupid to do anything but be led. So in your society you’ll have to lead them, right? I’m sure it’s a prospect you just hate the thought of, but bear with me.

So if 80% of your new white society are lemmings, they will need to be lead. Which means either the carrot or the stick. So you will either create propaganda (carrot), or punish those that race mix (stick).

Exactly like you say the Jews do.

You will need to take over the schools. Just like you say the Jews have done. You will need to own the media. Just like you say the Jews have done. You will need to pass and enforce laws that favor your kind and disfavor others. Just like you say the Jews have done.

So how exactly are you different than the Jews?

How will you maintain that wonderful voluntary segregation? Unless you move to an unpopulated desert, there will be people there you need to remove. Since you probably won’t be able to reason with them, you only have one choice as for how to deal with them.

Now I know the prospect of bloodshed doesn’t phase you tough Aryan warriors. But what happens after the battle? You’ve got your white homeland. How do you keep it white? What if one of your ambassadors (I assume you’ll want contact with the outside world), journeys to say, Japan, and gets himself a Japanese wife. What then? Will you refuse him entry? You’d have to, if you wanted to be consistent right?

So where has the “voluntary” gone? You’ve gone from all of your people choosing to cede from the world to your forcing them to do so.

You’ll have to keep the guns of your empire turned outside to stop invaders, and inside to stop dissenters. What if a woman of your glorious white land decides to “betray her race”? Maybe nails the gardener, whatever. Well, based on what I’ve seen here, she’d be killed!

Even as bad as America is right now, no one gets the death penalty for dating outside their race. But in your society it would be an absolute requirement to do so.

Think about it. You refer to 80% of the white population as lemmings. Dumb. Too stupid to do anything but be led. So in your society you’ll have to lead them, right? I’m sure it’s a prospect you just hate the thought of, but bear with me.

So if 80% of your new white society are lemmings, they will need to be lead. Which means either the carrot or the stick. So you will either create propaganda (carrot), or punish those that race mix (stick).

Exactly like you say the Jews do.

You will need to take over the schools. Just like you say the Jews have done. You will need to own the media. Just like you say the Jews have done. You will need to pass and enforce laws that favor your kind and disfavor others. Just like you say the Jews have done.

So how exactly are you different than the Jews?

I will admit, voluntary segregation is not feasible, but it would be law in any Aryan state. Like all laws they must be enforced, because some people just wont comply voluntarily.

Non-whites that refuse to leave voluntarily will be physically persuaded to leave. Just like it is necessary to physically persuade some criminals in the name of order and justice. Will we be forced to eliminate some of the militant non-whites, yes. Does this mean that we will need to use lethal force in order to get all the non-whites to comply, no. (and yes the FORMER ambassadors citizenship would be revoked in the event of such an infraction.)

Some of the lemmings you speak of don’t even realize they are being led/MISLED, and some do but don’t care.

We will not need to lead our people like the Jews do. Inside the Aryan state, there wont be any other races to mix with, so why would we need a (carrot) or a (stick)?

I agree, In a Aryan state Aryans will control the schools, the media, the judicial system, ect. The difference is only Aryan controlled media will only be severing the Aryans. Jews on the other hand tend to serve themselves while taking advantage of other races. As for the laws disfavoring others, just what others are you referring to in an Aryan state?

Yeah, it's so brave to call a woman who has nothing to do with an argument taking place a "slut" when she is not around.
You already said that, before you erased your posts.

"Way to go, Scottie, attacking women not around to defend themselves."

Really brave."

Besides, it's not like it's the first time someone has called her that behind her back. Anyone who's been inside of the men's room of every tavern, gas station and high school in the country has likely seen "for a good time, call Katherine" scrawled all over the walls. If you'd lift your head out of the toilet once in awhile and take a look around you'd see how notorious the skank is.

Thank you Doctor, for your analysis. But my problem with white nationalism is not how radical it is, nor is it due to over exposure to television. The problem is that I fail to see how white nationalism is any better than Jewish nationalism, black nationalism, etc. For some reason, the team in the red shirts are evil, but the us in the blue shirts are good.


Wow, Your words speak to me. Technically I oppose racial prefrences, Political Correctness, and Racial Pride that is so popular today especially on College Campuses. But everytime I searched on the internet for like minded people I always end up stumbling across sites like these.

Some start off moderate enough, then I see a link to an out right racist organization.

I can't and won't agree with these type of sites. I guess the "Jew Media" has already perverted my mind, but I like mixing with other groups.

I think the saddest thing here, is; have the majority of you ever had a non-white friend? I mean, EVER?

I have Hispanic, Asian, Black, Jew, and Gay friends. Hell, my girlfriend is a Filipino.

They're all smart, thoughtful, and all around fun people to be with. They have feelings, they have ideas, dreams, and aspirations. It's too easy for all of you too come here, sitting behind your keyboards and demonizing everyone who isn't White, while you carefully select which media sources, and which historians you will listen to.

Of course, anything that conflicts with your view is from the "Jew Media". It's easy to downplay the fact that many people don't agree with you by believeing in this vast "conspiracy", thats specifically designed to put you down.


All this Racial Pride is bad. It's bad for Blacks, its bad for Mexicans, and its bad for Whites. America isn't "White" peoples land. Since its inception a large portion of people have been against the idea of Slavery. Heated debates almost prevented the drafting of the Constitution over the issue of slavery. Up untill Slavery was abolished many whites supported the Abolitionist movement.


In the end, how will your plans to "purify" America come into action? Of course many of the people living here are not going to get up and move, just because you tell them too. I hear alot from you guys, that you don't want to live with them, you would be fine if they went to their country of orgin and left you alone.

How are you going to do it? Are you going to move somewhere else? Are you going to make the non-whites move. What if they don't? Are you willing to kill them? Would you personally, pull the trigger of a pistol on someone, simply because they were different then you?

Are you okay with that? Being a murderer?

I read your post and would like for you to specifically define how racial pride is "bad", esp for Whites.

All this Racial Pride is bad. It's bad for Blacks, its bad for Mexicans, and its bad for Whites. America isn't "White" peoples land.

Prehaps in our PC environment, yes it can be bad to show White racial pride at work or at a zog agency. How is it "bad" to the person in general? Is it bad for one's health? Bad for one's personal grooming habits? Exactly what do you mean that racial pride is "bad"?

Thank you and look forward to reading your response.

I read your post and would like for you to specifically define how racial pride is "bad", esp for Whites.

All this Racial Pride is bad. It's bad for Blacks, its bad for Mexicans, and its bad for Whites. America isn't "White" peoples land.

Prehaps in our PC environment, yes it can be bad to show White racial pride at work or at a zog agency. How is it "bad" to the person in general? Is it bad for one's health? Bad for one's personal grooming habits? Exactly what do you mean that racial pride is "bad"?

Thank you and look forward to reading your response.

Well, we look at things diffrently. I do not doubt that you see a major difference between a White Man and a Black Man. But I do not, they're simply human beings to me.

Feeling good about one's heritage is fine. Western Civilization has many achievments under its belt, but History shouldn't be use to segregate us.

A black person living in America can turn out the same as a White person living here, I think there are plenty of examples out there to prove this point. But of course, I don't expect you to agree, because all my sources are most likely from the "jew media".

All we end up with is a Balkanization in the works. Eventually things will get as bad as places like Serbia, where we resort to violence to prove our racial superiority.

Kish says.....Well, we look at things diffrently. I do not doubt that you see a major difference between a White Man and a Black Man. But I do not, they're simply human beings to me.

I actually see things as they are and you pretend not to notice.

Feeling good about one's heritage is fine.

I see your attempt to address my question, congratulations! Maybe you can proceed a bit further and actually answer the question - How is it "bad" to the person in general?
Instead of "feeling" how about trying to THINK about one's heritage.

Western Civilization has many achievments under its belt, but History shouldn't be use to segregate us.

You mean White Civilization has many achievements. I don't recall anyone here who states history should segregate us. It is the behavior and actions of non-whites who prompt Whites to flee. It's called White Flight. It is the living reality of today that separates us.

A black person living in America can turn out the same as a White person living here,

And you have examples and statistics to prove this of course.

I think there are plenty of examples out there to prove this point.

OK, then, so go ahead.

But of course, I don't expect you to agree, because all my sources are most likely from the "jew media".

let's see what you got. ;)

All we end up with is a Balkanization in the works.
Let's just acknowledge racial differences and set up our communities, state, countries to reflect what is known to be true. There is no use to subject people to race mixing that ultimately leads to this Balkanization you allude too.

Eventually things will get as bad as places like Serbia, where we resort to violence to prove our racial superiority.

I don't think proving "superiority" was necessarily the primary motive for the mess in Balkans. I'm sure there are others here that more learned on this topic than me, but from what I remember reading it had to do with lack of land and the right of a people to live in a homogeneous society free of other culture and foreign religion inflicted upon them. But again, I'm no expert on the topic but I do know the reason you give for the Balkan mess is a rather ignorant response.

Being Pro-White does not one mean one wishes to inflict one's superiority onto other races, rather it means to be separated from other races who tend to exhibit parasitic tendencies.

I just want the tick removed, I am not about showing the tick I am "better" than it.

I see your attempt to address my question, congratulations! Maybe you can proceed a bit further and actually answer the question - How is it "bad" to the person in general?
Instead of "feeling" how about trying to THINK about one's heritage.

The problem I see is that you're neglecting every other person in the world. By having White pride, you trivialize the accomplishments of those in other parts of the world. You can judge Success through power, and Western Civilization would come out on top. But then you're neglecting the Sciences, Art, and Philosophy of other peoples.

You mean White Civilization has many achievements. I don't recall anyone here who states history should segregate us. It is the behavior and actions of non-whites who prompt Whites to flee. It's called White Flight. It is the living reality of today that separates us.

I mean to say Western Civilization. Which technically could mean to being "White" civilization. But some of those here don't consider Italians to be "white", and you can't really talk about Western Civilization without including the Romans. I also didn't think some would consider Jesus to be white either. Since he was born from Jews, and lived with Jews throughout his life. (Which kinda makes him a Jew....)

And you have examples and statistics to prove this of course.

You ask for examples, yet I don't see the need to give them. If you look in any of the professions in this country you will see minorities in them. Politics, Entertainment, Science, Law. They don't perform at an exceptionally lower rate then Whites. Many work hard and are fully capable of handling the tasks that are given to them.

Statistics don't lie of course. There is a high level of crime in minority dominated neighborhoods. But these neighborhoods are full of low-income households, it's a given that there will be a higher crime rate among those that live in poor conditions.

Why do minorities live in such poor neighborhoods? Is it because minorities are more prone to violence then Whites? Lazier? Irish and Italians faced the same issues when they immigrated to this country. And how did they turn out? As long as we encourage immigrants to assimilate into our nation, then there is little reason to think that they won't reach the same level Irish and Italians are at today.



Let's just acknowledge racial differences and set up our communities, state, countries to reflect what is known to be true. There is no use to subject people to race mixing that ultimately leads to this Balkanization you allude too.

You see it as Racial differences, I see it as Cultural differences. Immigrants to this country face the task of conforming to what our nation demands of its people. Usually the 1st generation is reluctant to be assimilated, learn English, receive an education. But their children, and their children's children become "Americanized". They speak English as good as any other American, they receive the highest levels of education, and then find jobs in the work place like any other person would.

Black culture is just depressing. They have lived like the red headed step child of America for so long that even today they feel there is a conspiracy to suppress them. Black Culture needs change, it needs to get rid of the Jesse Jacksons, and the Al Sharptons, and adopt a more optimistic world view.


I don't think proving "superiority" was necessarily the primary motive for the mess in Balkans. I'm sure there are others here that more learned on this topic than me, but from what I remember reading it had to do with lack of land and the right of a people to live in a homogeneous society free of other culture and foreign religion inflicted upon them. But again, I'm no expert on the topic but I do know the reason you give for the Balkan mess is a rather ignorant response.

I don't know where this "right of a people to live in a homogenous society" is from, and I certainly didn't know that it overrules the "Thou shall not kill your neighbor" rule either.

I really hate the "If you don't like it, then you should get out" line, but I don't really see America changing it's ways and re-segregating society. More immigrants will continue to come here, and America will "darken". That isn't the problem, the problem is whether the ideas that made America will continue to survive regardless of the color of this nation's skin.

Right now we have a train of thought going, that everyone is special, and we should celebrate differences. Instead of a melting pot, we have a "mixed salad" If we don't make people assimilate to a unified culture, then we'll remain divided and lose any national identity. And a nation without an identity isn't really a nation.

Being Pro-White does not one mean one wishes to inflict one's superiority onto other races, rather it means to be separated from other races who tend to exhibit parasitic tendencies.

I just want the tick removed, I am not about showing the tick I am "better" than it.

Well, using your example. I would want the Tick to be transformed into a creature similar to its host. That way, it doesn't have to suffer living off other people, and you don't have to suffer an annoying leech.

I see your attempt to address my question, congratulations! Maybe you can proceed a bit further and actually answer the question - How is it "bad" to the person in general?
Instead of "feeling" how about trying to THINK about one's heritage.

Kish response....The problem I see is that you're neglecting every other person in the world. By having White pride, you trivialize the accomplishments of those in other parts of the world. You can judge Success through power, and Western Civilization would come out on top. But then you're neglecting the Sciences, Art, and Philosophy of other peoples.

But you stated: All this Racial Pride is bad. It's bad for Blacks, its bad for Mexicans, and its bad for Whites. America isn't "White" peoples land. Then you proceed to tell me it is "okay" to "feel good" about one's heritage. From what I understand you think one cannot think about one's heritage if one fails to mention or think about other races' contributions to .... exactly what?

I do recall not only power but also science, art and philosophy are great achievements of the White man. I am rather perplexed why philosophy would make your list as something one needs to think, excuse me, feel good about one's heritage. Perhaps religion would have been a better hallmark of a certain culture's forte rather than philosophy.

I specifically asked this question because to let you know I have been racially conscious for about 3 years now. Since my own awakening and acknowledgment of my race and ancestry, nothing but good as come into my life. This "bad" you speak about does not affect me. My marriage, my self-esteem, my understanding about the natural world has tremendously improved. Please let me continue... my relationship with my family is more intense (in a good way) and my friendships have deepened in many ways. I have a purpose and plan to my life and my children look up to me and I know which direction to navigate in this jew-muddled world. My patience for other people, regardless of race, has greatly increased due to my understanding of the very essence of the rhythm of biological nature. So when you state it is "bad" for Whites or any other person to take pride in their race, I want to know what you mean. Do you know personally it is bad or is your statement an overused cliché you fall back on?

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You mean White Civilization has many achievements. I don't recall anyone here who states history should segregate us. It is the behavior and actions of non-whites who prompt Whites to flee. It's called White Flight. It is the living reality of today that separates us.

Kish says.....I mean to say Western Civilization. Which technically could mean to being "White" civilization. But some of those here don't consider Italians to be "white",

for what it is worth - I consider Italians White, however, any Arab who immigrates to Italy and claims Italian identity, than no. Leonardo daVinci, Michelangelo, all the Renaissance Greats, why YES they were/are part the wonderful White history.

and you can't really talk about Western Civilization without including the Romans.

Romans aren't White? When did I say this? Please provide me with some information that someone told you that the Romans were not White, thanks.

I also didn't think some would consider Jesus to be white either. Since he was born from Jews, and lived with Jews throughout his life. (Which kinda makes him a Jew....)

I do not disagree jesus was a jew. If jesus existed then surly he would be a jew. He acted like a jew and created jew knock offs. Christianity is a branch from the root of judaism.

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And you have examples and statistics to prove this of course.

Kish says....You ask for examples, yet I don't see the need to give them.

You are the one who stated the premise:
A black person living in America can turn out the same as a White person living here, I think there are plenty of examples out there to prove this point. But of course, I don't expect you to agree, because all my sources are most likely from the "jew media".

A black person, let's back up, a successful black person, becomes successful due to the opportunities he or she is given in this country through all sorts of different programs and quota systems. A black person who scores OK on a test will more than likely be more qualified to gain entrance with scholarships and financial aid more so than a white person who scores a "better than OK" on the same test. This is because of the AA programs and the need to diversify colleges and the workforce. Many government programs will typically hire unqualified minorities before qualified whites because of the dictates of certain codes and http://www.eeoc.gov/. There are many articles (which if you would like I can pull links posted at VNN) that would substantiate my claim. So the question is - are black people successful in America because of their own free will and determinism or is it because of the divine hand of the government that paved their way for this success? You tell me.

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will respond to rest of post later.

for what it is worth - I consider Italians White, however, any Arab who immigrates to Italy and claims Italian identity, than no. Leonardo daVinci, Michelangelo, all the Renaissance Greats, why YES they were/are part the wonderful White history.


I believe that Kish's point was likely that these Renaissance Men you mention were Italians born during and after the Moorish occupation of Italy, which ended in the late 15th century. The Moors, as I'm sure you realize, were Black (and coincidentally, VASTLY more advanced than their White European neighbors, but that's another topic). So, these "Greats" you mention were at least in small part the product of a mixed racial heritage. I hope I haven't offended any Italians by pointing this out, but it is an historical fact.

In any case, congratulations! You've just supported an Anti White Nationalist viewpoint. I knew some of you would come around, eventually. While we're at it, do you think that Jesus was an admirable person? I couldn't really tell what you thought of him, other than that he was (obviously) a Jew.

Kish says....If you look in any of the professions in this country you will see minorities in them. Politics, Entertainment, Science, Law.
Right, and as stated earlier, You may think it is based on their own self-determinism. But in reality it is the fact they were given the red carpet treatment and the opportunity to take a position they were unfit or unqualified for, for example follow this link:
http://www.adversity.net/c11_tbd.htm
They don't perform at an exceptionally lower rate then Whites. Many work hard and are fully capable of handling the tasks that are given to them.
I have read that even poor-disadvantage whites still outscore higher income blacks on achievement tests. Yet you say that blacks work harder, ya but do they think harder?

Statistics don't lie of course.
Then why don't you believe them?

There is a high level of crime in minority dominated neighborhoods.
That is why I want to live in them with my small children :D

But these neighborhoods are full of low-income households, it's a given that there will be a higher crime rate among those that live in poor conditions.
Excuse me? You mean poor people are more apt to commit crime regardless of race? Well, then all those poor rural folks in Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia are just potential criminals, you better see to it they are locked up for good lest they shoplift, godforbid! What bias do you have against poor people? You seem to exhibit a jingoist outlook towards poor people.

Why do minorities live in such poor neighborhoods? Is it because minorities are more prone to violence then Whites? Lazier?
Perhaps.

Irish and Italians faced the same issues when they immigrated to this country. And how did they turn out?
It have something to do with supplying the Union with foot soliders. America has a terrible and dark legacy behind it.

As long as we encourage immigrants to assimilate into our nation, then there is little reason to think that they won't reach the same level Irish and Italians are at today.

At least the Irish and the Italians had their own written language before they arrived here.
Many if not all tribes from the dark continent never did have a written language. A white man had to learn their language, translate and transcribe their language into written form for them. Most if not all the 3rd immigrants you are so eager to bring over, cannot read, write nor even understand the fundamentals of American democracy, and you think is ok and something that should be encouraged? Your attitude is one of selfishness. You have nothing to do all day except to trivialize the day away with your TV and computer....ah, wouldn't be nice for those people I see on TV to come to my beloved and philanthropic country to make their lives better than that old hut in HIVille. But you see they aren't moving next door to you - they are moving next door to those poor whites and using poor whites services and taking positions away from other poor people. In fact, your generosity becomes an affliction for poor people - white or black.
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Let's just acknowledge racial differences and set up our communities, state, countries to reflect what is known to be true. There is no use to subject people to race mixing that ultimately leads to this Balkanization you allude too.

Kish says....You see it as Racial differences, I see it as Cultural differences. Immigrants to this country face the task of conforming to what our nation demands of its people. Usually the 1st generation is reluctant to be assimilated, learn English, receive an education. But their children, and their children's children become "Americanized". They speak English as good as any other American, they receive the highest levels of education, and then find jobs in the work place like any other person would.
I wouldn't disagree with your statement. Racial difference branches out to cultural differences. Not all White people enjoy the company of all White people.
Black culture is just depressing. They have lived like the red headed step child of America for so long that even today they feel there is a conspiracy to suppress them.
Yes, just think if they weren't enslaved by their forefathers back on the continent they would have never been born and the line would have ended in Africa as a slave to another tribe there. Essentially, not trying to justify slavery (which I think one of America's many ills that should have never taken place), they are successful today because of America. They were able to populate this land with their kind and the last 50 or so years be taken in and cared for the White man. The situation they find themselves in today is their own doing and they cannot blame "Whitey" anymore and they know that. Some of the leaders are warning their tribe (you notice how they get offended to be categorized as part of a tribe, however, tribe is a PC word used to identify certain sects in America) and they are not heeding its messsage. One does reap what they sow.

Black Culture needs change, it needs to get rid of the Jesse Jacksons, and the Al Sharptons, and adopt a more optimistic world view.
I would say rather, realistic world view.

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I don't think proving "superiority" was necessarily the primary motive for the mess in Balkans. I'm sure there are others here that more learned on this topic than me, but from what I remember reading it had to do with lack of land and the right of a people to live in a homogeneous society free of other culture and foreign religion inflicted upon them. But again, I'm no expert on the topic but I do know the reason you give for the Balkan mess is a rather ignorant response.

Kish says....I don't know where this "right of a people to live in a homogenous society" is from, and I certainly didn't know that it overrules the "Thou shall not kill your neighbor" rule either.
Well, historically speaking, the right of a people to live in a homogenous tends to outweigh the humanitarian view "Thou shall not kill your neighbor" rule.
I would add when your neighbor is a lot like you, one is less than likely to kill him/her. That was a reflective thought and I'm sure Glex can prove me wrong on a statistic on that. :)
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Kish says........I really hate the "If you don't like it, then you should get out" line, but I don't really see America changing it's ways and re-segregating society.
That is a somber judgment. That is why most WNs think that is why America will ultimately fail. When a government can no longer rule, than social breakdown occurs. I am not a psychic, but possibly a new country will emerge from the ashes and this is where the biological impulses of the individual and the community will come into play.
More immigrants will continue to come here, and America will "darken". That isn't the problem, the problem is whether the ideas that made America will continue to survive regardless of the color of this nation's skin.
Ideas are only as good as the TV that propagates.

Right now we have a train of thought going, that everyone is special, and we should celebrate differences. Instead of a melting pot, we have a "mixed salad" If we don't make people assimilate to a unified culture, then we'll remain divided and lose any national identity. And a nation without an identity isn't really a nation.
You are correct no national identity is no nation. If everyone's national origin is just as important or more important than the nation itself, where is the nation? This also why you see the books 1984 or Brave New World quoted around here often. Peace = War. All is one. It is a form communist oppression cleverly disguised as altruism.

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will respond to the last part of your post later.

Kish says.....Well, using your example. I would want the Tick to be transformed into a creature similar to its host. That way, it doesn't have to suffer living off other people, and you don't have to suffer an annoying leech.

from the jew book....
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?"

How are you to change and transform the tick to look or act like its host, without depriving the host of its life energy?

I believe that Kish's point was likely that these Renaissance Men you mention were Italians born during and after the Moorish occupation of Italy, which ended in the late 15th century. The Moors, as I'm sure you realize, were Black (and coincidentally, VASTLY more advanced than their White European neighbors, but that's another topic). So, these "Greats" you mention were at least in small part the product of a mixed racial heritage. I hope I haven't offended any Italians by pointing this out, but it is an historical fact.

In any case, congratulations! You've just supported an Anti White Nationalist viewpoint. I knew some of you would come around, eventually. While we're at it, do you think that Jesus was an admirable person? I couldn't really tell what you thought of him, other than that he was (obviously) a Jew.


Hey Uri Kween

The Moors ruled SPAIN, and only two thirds of it, during that time, not Italy you jooish jackass. Get your facts straight. Cheers

T.Garrett

Ur-Quan says ........I believe that Kish's point was likely that these Renaissance Men you mention were Italians born during and after the Moorish occupation of Italy, which ended in the late 15th century. The Moors, as I'm sure you realize, were Black (and coincidentally, VASTLY more advanced than their White European neighbors, but that's another topic). So, these "Greats" you mention were at least in small part the product of a mixed racial heritage. I hope I haven't offended any Italians by pointing this out, but it is an historical fact.

Sounds like you get your information from jew produced movies made in the 90s.
Come on...what encyclopedia did you consult to gain such knowledge?
As you can tell in the forum and the internet not all racial awakened Whites agree on various points, namely religion (Christianity), who is or isn't White and if dogs make better companions than say...birds.

I believe in conspiracy theories with a dash of delusion, but at least I do not have hallucinations. :D
So my take on the Italians or who or isn't White is a jew trick. Divide and conquer. Make each other fight while the puppet master is behind the curtain pulling strings instigating trival matters into little white ears. Example of the White vs. White squabbles that keep Whites from coming together to commit to racial solidary: Catholic v. Protestant, English v. Irish, German v. Slav, Americans v. French, Northern European v. Italians, North v. South, Vikings v. Packers.

So your tactic is just another used-jew trick to further to divide Whites. Frankly I don't see DaVinici having Moor blood, I think you need to back that up. Seems a little far fetched to me.


In any case, congratulations! You've just supported an Anti White Nationalist viewpoint. I knew some of you would come around, eventually. While we're at it, do you think that Jesus was an admirable person? I couldn't really tell what you thought of him, other than that he was (obviously) a Jew

Do you think Jesus was an actual person? I suppose one can admire his character like one admires a character in a finely written fiction novel. If you are probing to find out if I'm one of those lemmings who walk around the city with a big silly jesus grin 'cuz he lives in my heart', probe no more, I am not one of those people.

Sounds like you get your information from jew produced movies made in the 90s.
Come on...what encyclopedia did you consult to gain such knowledge?
I'm a-comin', and I'm a little surprised that I have to prove to you that the Moors were black...

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors1.html

Per this article, the Oxford English Dictionary says they were black. By definition the Moors were black (more on this later, no pun intended). Also, Dr. Chancellor James Williams agrees with this viewpoint, and further states that the original Egyptians were, also, black africans. I'm sure that you'll find some fault with his conclusions, given that Dr. Williams was himself black. However, he studied at Oxford University and the University of London. If you can find a similarly qualified, differing opinion on the subject, I would be interested in hearing it.

http://www.africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htm

When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black.

From the online Merriam Webster Dictionary

Moor (Etymology) from Latin Maurus inhabitant of Mauretania
Mauretania (Definition) ancient country N Africa W of Numidia in modern Morocco & W Algeria

http://africanfront.com/umorusymbolism.php

Umayyad General Tarikh ibn Ziyad (el Moro) led 7000 troops into what was to became Spain and Portugal [...] these troops were "Sudanese", the Arabic word for Black people.

So, just to be clear. The Moors were definitely black. The word itself means "black people". They came from Africa. The Arabs decribed these guys as black. In traditional heraldry, a maure is a black head. This isn't from a movie. How much more evidence do you need?

As you can tell in the forum and the internet not all racial awakened Whites agree on various points, namely religion (Christianity), who is or isn't White and if dogs make better companions than say...birds.
I vote for dogs. Birds creep me out.

I believe in conspiracy theories with a dash of delusion, but at least I do not have hallucinations.
So my take on the Italians or who or isn't White is a jew trick. Divide and conquer. Make each other fight while the puppet master is behind the curtain pulling strings instigating trival matters into little white ears. Example of the White vs. White squabbles that keep Whites from coming together to commit to racial solidary: Catholic v. Protestant, English v. Irish, German v. Slav, Americans v. French, Northern European v. Italians, North v. South, Vikings v. Packers.
I prefer my conspiracies without any delusion ;) , but back to the topic.
You raise an interesting point about unnecessary divisions, and I'd like to address that. You say that WNs differ in who is or isn't white, and then you say this is a Jewish trick. Well, take the Jews out of the equation for a moment, and at the risk of standing on a slippery slope, let's say that someday there is a nation where there are no blacks and no one is Jewish. What then? There will surely be darker skinned white people, such as Italians and Hispanics or other peoples of Spanish descent. Will they be the next to go? What if genetics becomes able to determine ethnicity with a high degree of reliability (a topic currently under debate in another forum). Must white people with gertain polymorphisms in their genetic code also be made to leave, even if they appear to be “white”?

The problem with the arbitrary distinctions of “race” is that they are arbitrary. A black person in America may be a “colored” person in South Africa (as I’m sure you know). You can draw the line anywhere, and there’s really no grounds for why it’s at any given place on the spectrum. For example, many white people in the UK have similar genetic markers to people from Africa, because the Romans employed North African troops in their campaigns. You or some other WNs, may have these markers, and not realize it. If in the future this is a determinant for racial impurity, these "white" people will be on the receiving end of a lot of racism. Still think this whole “black people gotta go” idea is a good one?
Do you think Jesus was an actual person? I suppose one can admire his character like one admires a character in a finely written fiction novel. If you are probing to find out if I'm one of those lemmings who walk around the city with a big silly jesus grin 'cuz he lives in my heart', probe no more, I am not one of those people.
I think He could have been. I’ve heard evidence on both sides, and I don’t know if it will ever be proven. I am not a Christian (I don’t really believe in any God, but I also don’t think that God can’t exist...I think that makes me agnostic), though I was raised Catholic, but my point is that a lot of WNs do believe in Him. Even though he was most assuredly a Jew. I find these two facts, like some WNs inclusion of Hispanics and Italians (Sicilians) in their ranks, hard to resolve. And still the Jews are no good, even though certain Jews (from a biological standpoint) might have more a clearly European bloodline and genetic background than many WNs. I find the distinctions to be, again, arbitrary and poorly thought out. That was my point.

Your tactic to answer a question I did not ask is annoying.
I was referring to the fact you stated Italians, esp, the likes of DaVinci all have Moor blood, please show me where you got this information. I do not dispute that the Moors were essentially black. I don't remember that being a debate.


The first article you present is suspect that it does state:


"The original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were Black Africans."

Yes, and modern day blacks like to think this in order to feel good about themselves:
http://musicmoz.org/img/editors/liza/queenlatifah_nature.jpg

Please read this article:
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/lice.htm

and answer this question....if this is so....explain to me why African Americans, rarely if ever, get head lice....why was it an epidemic which the Egyptians put "much energy" into if their modern day ancestors are not so much afflicted with this pest?

http://www.usd259.com/health/lice.html
No race of people is immune to head lice, but blacks are only rarely infested in spite of equal risk of exposure.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/lifestyles/links/how_tos/howto_headlice.html
Head lice are less prevalent among African Americans. Scientists say the more oval-shaped hair of African Americans is harder for lice to grab.

I will have to respond to the rest of your post later.....










I'm a-comin', and I'm a little surprised that I have to prove to you that the Moors were black...

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors1.html

Per this article, the Oxford English Dictionary says they were black. By definition the Moors were black (more on this later, no pun intended). Also, Dr. Chancellor James Williams agrees with this viewpoint, and further states that the original Egyptians were, also, black africans. I'm sure that you'll find some fault with his conclusions, given that Dr. Williams was himself black. However, he studied at Oxford University and the University of London. If you can find a similarly qualified, differing opinion on the subject, I would be interested in hearing it.

http://www.africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htm

When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black.

From the online Merriam Webster Dictionary

Moor (Etymology) from Latin Maurus inhabitant of Mauretania
Mauretania (Definition) ancient country N Africa W of Numidia in modern Morocco & W Algeria

http://africanfront.com/umorusymbolism.php

Umayyad General Tarikh ibn Ziyad (el Moro) led 7000 troops into what was to became Spain and Portugal [...] these troops were "Sudanese", the Arabic word for Black people.

So, just to be clear. The Moors were definitely black. The word itself means "black people". They came from Africa. The Arabs decribed these guys as black. In traditional heraldry, a maure is a black head. This isn't from a movie. How much more evidence do you need?


I vote for dogs. Birds creep me out.


I prefer my conspiracies without any delusion ;) , but back to the topic.
You raise an interesting point about unnecessary divisions, and I'd like to address that. You say that WNs differ in who is or isn't white, and then you say this is a Jewish trick. Well, take the Jews out of the equation for a moment, and at the risk of standing on a slippery slope, let's say that someday there is a nation where there are no blacks and no one is Jewish. What then? There will surely be darker skinned white people, such as Italians and Hispanics or other peoples of Spanish descent. Will they be the next to go? What if genetics becomes able to determine ethnicity with a high degree of reliability (a topic currently under debate in another forum). Must white people with gertain polymorphisms in their genetic code also be made to leave, even if they appear to be “white”?

The problem with the arbitrary distinctions of “race” is that they are arbitrary. A black person in America may be a “colored” person in South Africa (as I’m sure you know). You can draw the line anywhere, and there’s really no grounds for why it’s at any given place on the spectrum. For example, many white people in the UK have similar genetic markers to people from Africa, because the Romans employed North African troops in their campaigns. You or some other WNs, may have these markers, and not realize it. If in the future this is a determinant for racial impurity, these "white" people will be on the receiving end of a lot of racism. Still think this whole “black people gotta go” idea is a good one?

I think He could have been. I’ve heard evidence on both sides, and I don’t know if it will ever be proven. I am not a Christian (I don’t really believe in any God, but I also don’t think that God can’t exist...I think that makes me agnostic), though I was raised Catholic, but my point is that a lot of WNs do believe in Him. Even though he was most assuredly a Jew. I find these two facts, like some WNs inclusion of Hispanics and Italians (Sicilians) in their ranks, hard to resolve. And still the Jews are no good, even though certain Jews (from a biological standpoint) might have more a clearly European bloodline and genetic background than many WNs. I find the distinctions to be, again, arbitrary and poorly thought out. That was my point.

I'm a-comin', and I'm a little surprised that I have to prove to you that the Moors were black...

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors1.html

Per this article, the Oxford English Dictionary says they were black. By definition the Moors were black (more on this later, no pun intended). Also, Dr. Chancellor James Williams agrees with this viewpoint, and further states that the original Egyptians were, also, black africans. I'm sure that you'll find some fault with his conclusions, given that Dr. Williams was himself black. However, he studied at Oxford University and the University of London. If you can find a similarly qualified, differing opinion on the subject, I would be interested in hearing it.

http://www.africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htm

When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black.

From the online Merriam Webster Dictionary

Moor (Etymology) from Latin Maurus inhabitant of Mauretania
Mauretania (Definition) ancient country N Africa W of Numidia in modern Morocco & W Algeria

http://africanfront.com/umorusymbolism.php

Umayyad General Tarikh ibn Ziyad (el Moro) led 7000 troops into what was to became Spain and Portugal [...] these troops were "Sudanese", the Arabic word for Black people.

So, just to be clear. The Moors were definitely black. The word itself means "black people". They came from Africa. The Arabs decribed these guys as black. In traditional heraldry, a maure is a black head. This isn't from a movie. How much more evidence do you need?

.

God Damn I hate giving history lessons to morons!This is the same idiot who thought the Moors conquered Italy. The links you provided are all written by blacks. James Williams(who you mentioned was black), Yvonne Clark who is described as a "researcher and public lecturer" and some outfit called the "African Unification Front". Hardly unbiased sources on the Moors.

Lets get one thing clear, dickhead! The Moors are not a specific race of people. The word has never been clearly defined and remains ambiguous and confusing. This term has been broadly used to denote various people in North Africa, people who came from Morocco or simply to describe Muslims in general.


The Webster's New World Dictionary identifies Moors as "a member of Moslem people of mixed Arab and Berber descent."

Who are the Berbers you ask?
"aboriginal Caucasoid peoples of N Africa, called Amazigh in the Tamazight language. They inhabit the lands lying between the Sahara and the Mediterranean Sea and between Egypt and the Atlantic Ocean. The Berbers form a substantial part of the populations of Libya, Algeria, and Morocco."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/b/berbers.asp

You see any mention of black or negro in this definition, dummy?


In any case, the word was first applied officially to the indigenous people of a Roman province in North Africa called Mauretania (Latin = 'land of the Moors'). This roughly corresponds to present day North Morocco and Algeria. The name Morocco is another reminder of the region's "Moorish" past.


When the Arabs swept westward and captured North Africa in the 7th century, the term was revived by Europeans to denote not only the indigenous Negroes and fairer skinned Berbers of North Africa, but the Arabs as well. Following the Arab conquest of the Berbers, inter-marriages were common and the two races (Berber and Arab) gradually merged together. Did the Berbers and Arabs do the inter-marriage thing with the dark skinned Negroes also? Probably. Who knows what went on behind closed doors. I wasn't there.

As to Tariq ibn Ziyad whom you claim was Sudanese and therefore black. Well you're either a fuckin idiot or a God Damn liar!

"Tarik ibn Ziyad"
Related: Spanish History
(tä´rĬk) , fl. 711, Berber leader of the Muslim invaders of Spain.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/T/Tarikibn.asp

BERBER LEADER!!!! "aboriginal Caucasoid peoples of N Africa" ....got it!!!!



To the Spanish, Moor simply meant Muslim barbarian. They didn't care where these 'Moors' came from. Their only interest was to evict every last one of them from Spain. The term 'Moorish' can really only be applied with any accuracy to the unique architecture in the region. Because of the dazzling variety of races(which included Berbers, Egyptians, Yemenis, Syrians and Persians) unfairly lumped together under the blanket term 'Moors', it is far safer to use the word Islamic when talking about influences, and Muslim when talking about the people.

Do you understand, moron?

Gee Steve, that was an interesting jumble of red herrings and ad hominems. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Moors were black.

http://www.africanfront.com/images/umoru222.jpg

Why did European Heralds call that symbol a Maure? Why were Tarikh ibn Ziyad's troops described as "Sudanese" by Arabs? The word means "black people". How is this in any way ambiguous? Tarikh may have been of Berber descent (perhaps only partially), but there is little question as to the makeup of his troops. Black Moors. There is even a plant called a Black Moor. Mere coincidence? In light of all the facts, parsimony dictates otherwise.

(To Toni) - I must admit, the lice question was extremely clever. I would have never thought of that approach. Anyways, here's your answer:
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7446.html
Head lice found in the United States prefer hair that is round in cross section. Hair that is ovoid in cross section, such as the extremely curly hair of African Americans, is not as attractive to lice that are adapted to round hair shafts. While head lice infestations are common in Africa, as in all continents, African head lice have claws especially adapted for grasping oval hair shafts. The African variety of head lice is not common in North America and consequently African Americans are much less susceptible to infestations, but they can get head lice.

So, black kids in North America are relatively lice free because of the species of louse more commonly found here. I had always wondered why the nurse only gave them a cursory looking over during screenings in grade school. I just assumed it was because of the very short haircuts. Ya learn something new every day. :)

God Damn I hate giving history lessons to morons!This is the same idiot who thought the Moors conquered Italy. The links you provided are all written by blacks. James Williams(who you mentioned was black), Yvonne Clark who is described as a "researcher and public lecturer" and some outfit called the "African Unification Front". Hardly unbiased sources on the Moors.

Lets get one thing clear, dickhead! The Moors are not a specific race of people. The word has never been clearly defined and remains ambiguous and confusing. This term has been broadly used to denote various people in North Africa, people who came from Morocco or simply to describe Muslims in general.


The Webster's New World Dictionary identifies Moors as "a member of Moslem people of mixed Arab and Berber descent."

Who are the Berbers you ask?
"aboriginal Caucasoid peoples of N Africa, called Amazigh in the Tamazight language. They inhabit the lands lying between the Sahara and the Mediterranean Sea and between Egypt and the Atlantic Ocean. The Berbers form a substantial part of the populations of Libya, Algeria, and Morocco."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/b/berbers.asp

You see any mention of black or negro in this definition, dummy?


In any case, the word was first applied officially to the indigenous people of a Roman province in North Africa called Mauretania (Latin = 'land of the Moors'). This roughly corresponds to present day North Morocco and Algeria. The name Morocco is another reminder of the region's "Moorish" past.


When the Arabs swept westward and captured North Africa in the 7th century, the term was revived by Europeans to denote not only the indigenous Negroes and fairer skinned Berbers of North Africa, but the Arabs as well. Following the Arab conquest of the Berbers, inter-marriages were common and the two races (Berber and Arab) gradually merged together. Did the Berbers and Arabs do the inter-marriage thing with the dark skinned Negroes also? Probably. Who knows what went on behind closed doors. I wasn't there.

As to Tariq ibn Ziyad whom you claim was Sudanese and therefore black. Well you're either a fuckin idiot or a God Damn liar!

"Tarik ibn Ziyad"
Related: Spanish History
(tä´rĬk) , fl. 711, Berber leader of the Muslim invaders of Spain.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/T/Tarikibn.asp

BERBER LEADER!!!! "aboriginal Caucasoid peoples of N Africa" ....got it!!!!



To the Spanish, Moor simply meant Muslim barbarian. They didn't care where these 'Moors' came from. Their only interest was to evict every last one of them from Spain. The term 'Moorish' can really only be applied with any accuracy to the unique architecture in the region. Because of the dazzling variety of races(which included Berbers, Egyptians, Yemenis, Syrians and Persians) unfairly lumped together under the blanket term 'Moors', it is far safer to use the word Islamic when talking about influences, and Muslim when talking about the people.

Do you understand, moron?


Steve

This is why I don’t choose, for the most part to debate with anti’s. Look at Ur Kwa’s links in this thread, all boofer ‘afrocentric’ references, and he criticizes us WN for using ‘biased’ references to WN sources? His post in the Haiti thread centers on an article straight from a socialist website, and he asks if “I have the balls to respond to it” LOL He is just heer to hammer away at us with his quack nigger and joo kosher bogus ‘sources’, and any mainstream science he does link to he interprets his own way and calls us ‘stupid’ and says we don’t understand what we are looking at when we differ on our interpretation of those sources.

I’ve looked over his posts heer. Many of his posts are the equivalent of you or I going to the OPP site’s forum (which they never would have the balls to let us do, but that’s another story) and repeatedly quoting from The White Man’s Bible, posting sections of it online, linking to the Creator’s website and then heaping invective upon them saying “what don’t you understand you fucking whigger, are you stupid, you anti-white POS, how many nigger cocks did you take up the ass today, you’re just not bright enough to understand this!”

Bah, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. You were, and are right to flame this motherfucker. When I first got involved with that other thread, Ur Kwa was heeping venom on Vlad, and even though I know Vlad can handle his own shite, I just didn’t like the tone of his badgering and decided to jump in. Look at his last post to Billy Bob in that other thread, I don’t use that arrogant tone when I speak to anybody, and I can get away with it. Fuck it. If I ever do find this guy, Im gonna kick his fuckin ass just on Gp’s. This douche is a joo if there ever was one on VNN. Anyway, Cheers bro

T.Garrett

PS LOL this is a joke

Gee Steve, that was an interesting jumble of red herrings and ad hominems. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Moors were black.

http://www.africanfront.com/images/umoru222.jpg

Why did European Heralds call that symbol a Maure? Why were Tarikh ibn Ziyad's troops described as "Sudanese" by Arabs? The word means "black people". How is this in any way ambiguous? Tarikh may have been of Berber descent (perhaps only partially), but there is little question as to the makeup of his troops. Black Moors. There is even a plant called a Black Moor. Mere coincidence? In light of all the facts, parsimony dictates otherwise.

AND...I must admit, the lice question was extremely clever. I would have never thought of that approach. Anyways, here's your answer:
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7446.html
Head lice found in the United States prefer hair that is round in cross section. Hair that is ovoid in cross section, such as the extremely curly hair of African Americans, is not as attractive to lice that are adapted to round hair shafts. While head lice infestations are common in Africa, as in all continents, African head lice have claws especially adapted for grasping oval hair shafts. The African variety of head lice is not common in North America and consequently African Americans are much less susceptible to infestations, but they can get head lice.

So, black kids in North America are relatively lice free because of the species of louse more commonly found here. I had always wondered why the nurse only gave them a cursory looking over during screenings in grade school. I just assumed it was because of the very short haircuts. Ya learn something new every day. :)

You dumbfuck! Is there anything in my post about headlice? You don't even know who your replying or what your talking about! You think the Moors invaded Italy and that they are black. Ok....whatever. More power to you! You win...you have totally befuddled me with your concise and irrefutable logic! Now go play your worm game!

You dumbfuck! Is there anything in my post about headlice? You don't even know who your replying or what your talking about! You think the Moors invaded Italy and that they are black. Ok....whatever. More power to you! You win...you have totally befuddled me with your concise and irrefutable logic! Now go play your worm game!

As interesting as it would be to verbally engage you in a like manner, our relative prowess at that particular game has already been established. I find it far more interesting to remain level and let you bluster and make a fool of yourself, for a change.

I should have mentioned that the latter part of my post was in response to Toni. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused you and will now edit that post for better clarity.

And I've already completed the "worm game". You should probably try it yourself, and relax. It's "old school" and as such is now public domain, after a fashion. It is, by all accounts, excellent.
You may download a copy here: http://sc2.sourceforge.net/downloads.html Enjoy.

Hey Ur Kwa

Have you ever been to Morocco? I have the dubious distinction of having been all over the Med area, and for extended periods, and the people in Morocco, while generally darker than Spaniards (particularly the traditional desert people), have caucasoid facial features, not negroid. In otherwords, they are not black. Steve is absolutely correct in his assessment of the ethnic makeup of the people who history calls the Moors. I have lived with, spoken to (in French) and eaten with the Moors, have you? Or are you just quoting some drivel from an Yankee nigga-feelgood afrocentric history screed, you don’t know what the fuck youre talking about Ur Kwa, and that’s why nobody heer will discuss politics with you.

Go learn some real history, or better yet, leave your house and travel a bit and then come back and talk to us. Sweet Jeebus. Cheers

T.Garrett

Garrett,

If the best you can do is dismiss the arguments presented because they are found on a certain website, or because the person who originally made them is of a certain color, but cannot refute any of the facts in those arguments, then you realize that your position is lost. That is how debate works. Reason speaks for itself. Attacks against the speaker are invalid. Unless of course you can show how the speaker's logic is flawed, and then question his authority on the subject.

You also don't need to quote everything Steve said in order to get your $.02 in. You can just do it directly. And not for nothing, but you should jump in with more than just a little diatribe. When not foaming at the mouth, you have made some good posts.

EDIT : Like that last post. A far superior effort. Yes, I've met people from Morocco. Yes, they are darker than Spaniards but lighter than, say, Kenyans. Like most North Africans. But this is 2004 and that hardly makes a case for ancient history.

Garrett,

If the best you can do is dismiss the arguments presented because they are found on a certain website, or because the person who originally made them is of a certain color, but cannot refute any of the facts in those arguments, then you realize that your position is lost. That is how debate works. Reason speaks for itself. Attacks against the speaker are invalid. Unless of course you can show how the speaker's logic is flawed, and then question his authority on the subject.

You also don't need to quote everything Steve said in order to get your $.02 in. You can just do it directly. And not for nothing, but you should jump in with more than just a little diatribe. When not foaming at the mouth, you have made some good posts.

EDIT : Like that last post. A far superior effort. Yes, I've met people from Morocco. Yes, they are darker than Spaniards but lighter than, say, Kenyans. Like most North Africans. But this is 2004 and that hardly makes a case for ancient history.


Ur Kwa

I said lived in Morocco. Kenyans are a different race from Moroccans. Two different breeds, if you had ever been to Africa you would know what you were talking about. Experience is the best teacher Ur Kwan, don’t spend your life living out of books, or online games, one day you will regret it. Cheers

T.Garrett

PS As for ancient history, this particular area of the world today is probably DARKER than in antiquity.

Toni:

I must be getting punchy (big surprise there). I didn't notice the DaVinci part of your post.

DaVinci was Sicilian. Sicily was conquered by the Moors, and I haven't met a Sicilian yet that wasn't rather dark. His self-portrait is of little help, at least to me:

http://artchive.floridaimaging.com/l/leonardo/leonardo_self-portrait.jpg

Maybe we wasn't of Moorish descent at all, but if I were a betting man, I'd wager yes.

There are other Renaissance Men we could consider, but I don't know what sort of bearing that would have on this discussion anyway. I hope that was helpful.

http://www.kausal.com/leonardo/anchiano.html
I haven't had the stomach to follow all this fool's drivel but this is in response to the last lie the creature posted. Leonardo's birthplace is in Anchiano, To the north of Florence in Tuscany. The link shows a portrait not done in red conte' crayon so it demonstrates clearly enough even for this edumacated ape that he was White.

Not only that Toni, but I saw a PBS documentary last night about the temp city that was recently discovered near the pyramids and, according to DNA samples taken from the graves of the city, the DNA recovered matched almost exactly to the modern day inhabitants of the Nile valley. This suggests that the population, though Arabic linguistically and culturally (not a whole hell of alot of racial Arab admixture, the subject of a different thread altogether), are essentially the same people that built ancient Egypt.

Yes I know queen Hapshuset [sic] was a blonde and king Ramses was a redhead (that's irrefutable forensic evidence btw, the hair was preserved by mummification). Perhaps that means that whites comprised the royal family and the brownies were the peasants? Who knows? But we do know this: the ancient Egyptians were not black. Yes there were Nubian slaves in Egypt but saying ancient Egypt was black is like saying the American antebellum south was black simply because black people lived there.

Thank you for making this point, I had posted a rather lengthy reply before and then when I went to "submit" the post, I was timed out and was logged out! %^$###@
Then when I had a chance to come back, my youngest child started throwing up all over the place and I had to leave the computer. He is fine right now...anyway my previous post had the statement about the Nubians which I am glad you stated so preciously.

Ur, I hope you understand - I do not dispute that black people, Nubians, lived in Africa at the same time as the Egyptians, for the Egyptians enslaved them and enlisted them as foot soldiers. I am not talking about Nubians - I am talking about the Pharaohs that ruled during that era. Also please keep in mind, the Egyptians were an extinguished race, so as far as being White, I am not as sure. However, my gut feeling from the mass architecture, language, religion, and yes, the need to shave their clean heads because of head lice they were more akin to white people than black people.

I have looked all over for information to exactly what kind of shaft holding these ancient lice were. There is no information. I looked around to find out what the structure of the hair integrity of the Pharaohs, I couldn't find that either. So maybe through your abundant time and research, Ur, you can provide us with the genetic structure of the Pharaohs' hair shafts and what kind of lice existed during this time period.

Spengler, although I have not traveled over the Atlantic nor the Pacific, my mother would be considered to be one of those world travelers. She has many books on Egypt, that I have thoroughly looked at and read. She said the pyramids were "no big whop" considering all the cool stuff is gone and that most the places inside the pyramids are cut off from view from the public. She wasn't impressed as she thought she would be. But just by reading and looking at the pictures in her books, the Egyptians were no way genetically linked to what we now know as niggerious-americanus. Impossible. Of course them being ancestrally linked to the Nubians, that is a given.

More than a few Sicilian organizations claim Leonardo as one of their own, but that's beside the point...

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020923/davinci.html

You guys should have just dropped it. Now you'll never get this out of your heads...

Alessandro Vezzosi, director of the Museo Ideale Leonardo Da Vinci, announced last week at the museum that, after over 25 years of research, he has concluded that Da Vinci's father was a minor nobleman or craftsman named Ser Piero Da Vinci, while the artist's mother was a Middle Eastern slave, known by the name Caterina.

Enjoy.

from your link, Ur.........

Diane Stanley, author of the book "Leonardo Da Vinci," is skeptical of Vezzosi's theory.

"I did a great deal of research before writing my book and there was never any indication that Caterina was anything but an Italian peasant," Stanley told Discovery News.

Well, looking at New Kingdom sarcophagi, it's striking to note that the faces carved into these objects look NOTHING like negroes. In fact many of them look down right white! Complete with long narrow noses and porcelain skin. The skin tone , however, is debatable. In ancient Egyptian and Greek art, the females are given a lighter skin tone than the males. Even so, representational facial structure does not lie. The movers and shakers of ancient Egypt were not niggers.

my sentiments exactly.

Here is my personal story about niggerious-americanus obsession with the Pharaohs.
while leaving a parking lot one day I noticed a big old 1980 looking Buick. Beat up and needing an oil change pull into the spot directly in front of me. I noticed the front of the tag was decorative tag for the front of the car. It was a black Nerfitti with the pyramid artwork in the background. I noticed the leopard spotted air freshener hanging on the rearview mirror. And a BIG OBESE black woman rolls out...she can't simply get out of a car like a normal sized person...but needs to roll out of her car...she was wearing those skin tight cotton leggings and they were sticking to her thighs and buttocks. She must have sensed I was watching her, I didn't know to laugh or gross out, and gave me a "UMP!" and stroll off to the store. But can you imagine, they actually BELIEVE that they are descended from the ancient Egyptians.
Maybe it is a jew scheme to instill this belief and therefore, the jews can extort any profit by claimin' reparations!

I've never been to Egypt but I've seen one of, if not the, best collection of ancient Egyptian artifacts in the world at the Louvre in Paris. I'm not an art history expert but, as anyone with rudimentary art history education knows, Old Kingdom art was highly idealised and New Kingdom art was more representational. What does this mean?

I would love go to the Louvre. I'm jealous you have been there and I have not.
As far as your question goes, I suppose your standard for rudimentary art history exceeds my definition. I couldn't answer you without looking at my books to define the time periods between NEW and OLD kingdoms. But as for representational, that would be what you described above, regarding Egyptian art, right? The idealized would be along the lines of symbolic creatures and decorative items (?)
Personally, I like the Renaissance period, especially Albrecht Durer's works.

from your link, Ur.........


Toni

Why are you bothering with this spastic moron? He believes he is a space worm from another galaxy. He doesn’t even read, or me thinks COMPREHEND what he posts, doesn’t REMEMBER who posted what or is coherent enough to make distinction between posters heer, your fine disposition and intellect are wasted on this poseur. Kick his ass to the curb and consider it an act of charity.
Cheers

T.Garrett

PS I think you are one of the best, if not THE best, female poster on VNN.

from your link, Ur.........

Yes, I read that too. I'm not saying it's absolutely, positively true. Consider the 25 year study of an Italian historian and musum director food for thought.

Have a good night.

Toni

Why are you bothering with this spastic moron? He believes he is a space worm from another galaxy. He doesn’t even read, or me thinks COMPREHEND what he posts, doesn’t REMEMBER who posted what or is coherent enough to make distinction between posters heer, your fine disposition and intellect are wasted on this poseur. Kick his ass to the curb and consider it an act of charity.
Cheers

T.Garrett

PS I think you are one of the best, if not THE best, female poster on VNN.

Thank you for your advice. I am laughing that he is a space worm from another galaxy, that really sheds some light. I feel like I am spending too much talking to Ur. I was posting to Kish who commented about America being a mixed salad and then seemed to disappear, then it seems I'm talking to Glex and Ur. This opp forum reminds me of that game in a 80s arcade. the one with the cloth hammer and little "trolls" pop up and the player has to "whack" them with the hammer. anyway, between laundry and checking up on vomit child, it has been interesting to a get a current temperature reading of an anti's disposition.

Thank you for your compliment.......hopefully it does not swell up inside my head. Methinks you are pretty good too!

Ancient Egyptian history falls into three catagories: Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom, in chronological order. The pyramids are Old Kingdom, Middle kingdom was very short and is primarily defined by Semetic invasions over the course of about 200 years, New Kingdom is remarkable for very ornate (some might say gaudy) art such as the temple at Luxor and the tomb of King Tut.

What I meant by idealized Old Kingdom art is that the nobility were always portrayed as young and strong in a uniform way, regardless of age or physical appearance.

Thank you very much for the correction and information :cool: