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Franco
10-27-2004, 07:15 AM
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A message to moderators at White Nationalist forums on the internet:

There are people on White Nationalist internet forums who are trying to deflect attention away from the Jews. On those forums, those people post messages which make it seem as if Arabs/Muslims, and not Jews, should be the chief concern of White Nationalists. Or, similarly, those people simply express doubt about known facts concerning the Jews, without mentioning Arabs/Muslims.

Of course, not every person who questions a post or a fact about Jews at a White Nationalist forum is a deliberate troublemaker. However, that fact does not alter anything in this message. That 'deflecting-attention' feature is still a reality at White Nationalist forums.

It is important to note that Jews, and not Arabs/Muslims, dominate modern Western culture, e.g. the media, films, newspapers, etc. Arabs/Muslims do not influence Western culture to nearly the degree that the Jews do, and that fact is easily verifiable.

Please be on the lookout for such deflecting posters at White Nationalist forums, and please take whatever precautions that you feel might be necessary regarding that matter.





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Antiochus Epiphanes
10-27-2004, 11:47 AM
Thanks franco. Your contributions are welcome as always and appreciated.

Here is my thought in reply to yours. There are a hundred troublemakers and a thousand lemmings for every one of us. occasionally they show up and monkey around. it's barely worth noticing or giving a crap about unless they are going to do illegal stuff which may endanger the forum or forum members with respect to the authorities.

one thing this format has proven to me is that the average VNNer is ten times smarter than I thought he probably was, before the forum. I had no idea we had so many intelligent, well informed, well educated and independent thinkers at hand. Generally I have seen people slice and dice most of the trolls and antis quite effectively without any moderator oversight or input. And thankfully so because I would rather be doing things in life or generating new content, than playing schoolmarm. LOL

Anima Eternae
10-27-2004, 12:56 PM
The Prophency of MOMUS has been realized!


MO' begins his "free range anti" hunt! Ready thy digital spear!

But in all seriousness, I don't believe that looking at any other race other than Jews can be considered "deflecting". But I digress...anyone who challenges any hegemonic notion of Jewish involvement in certain aspects is accused of "deflection".

"Jews made my corn flakes soggy..."

"I don't think so..."

"Troll ADL deflector!"



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Anima Eternae
10-27-2004, 01:06 PM
[QUOTE=Vlad]Anima, the US had resolved our conflicts with the muslim world by the beginning of the 1800's. The US is now having problems with the muslim world because of jews. Europe is having problems with muslims because of jews.[/QUOTE]

There is no doubt that the majority of the US' problems with Muslims stem from Israel.

Europe is relatively anti-Israeli, so yet why would Jews be to blame for Muslims coming into the Europe? There's probably Jewish involvement in immigration changes there, but I've yet to read any articles on such, and I doubt this compares to the Jewish influence in the US.

Let's not forget "The Brotherhood" was an Islamic terrorist organization dedicated to fighting the West's economic hegemon, well before the advent of Israel. Jews have exacerbated this situation post 1948, I know.



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Antiochus Epiphanes
10-27-2004, 05:31 PM
[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]There is no doubt that the majority of the US' problems with Muslims stem from Israel.

Europe is relatively anti-Israeli, so yet why would Jews be to blame for Muslims coming into the Europe? There's probably Jewish involvement in immigration changes there, but I've yet to read any articles on such, and I doubt this compares to the Jewish influence in the US.

Let's not forget "The Brotherhood" was an Islamic terrorist organization dedicated to fighting the West's economic hegemon, well before the advent of Israel. Jews have exacerbated this situation post 1948, I know.

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Well you're totally missing 2 huge things that are beyond the scope of a simple article like KMD's on Jews and the 65 immigration reform act.

To wit: pretty close to three hundreds of years of Jewish intellectual, cultural, and social subversion, starting mostly with and following immediately in the wake of the Reformation, that programmed foolish ideas into the minds of Europeans and laid the foundation for the social engineering of postwar Europe which invited non-White refugees in by the thousands,

and two, the fact that the war against Germany was organized, instigated, aided and abetted by Anglo-Jewry.

So, in the US, you can point to big jew victories in the 1930s and 1960s, but in Europe, the big Jew victories were these:

1) getting back into England, during the time of Cromwell and Manasseh bin Israel,

2) the Enlightenment, when Europeans embraced the notion that since all religion is foolishness, the Jews are "not that different than us," even though a look at their disgusting religion makes it obvious that they are and must be,
and

3) the French Revolution of 1789 which nearly liquidated the old Frankish aristocracy, and the old order of Continental Europe, in favor of rabble rousing demagoguery etc, and the subsequent Enfranchisement of Jews by Napoleon,

and

4) 1848, the year the Jewish monstrosity called Marxism and revolution really caught on, further burning the foundations of social order and racial health in Europe,

5) WW 1 including the Bolshie revolution in Russian, you guys know that story, and the Munich putsch by Jew Kurt Eisner which helped force the abdication of the Kaiser and the surrender of Germany and capitulation to Versailles, and last but not least

6) 1945 which marks the most bloody victory of the Kike and its hirelings against the most recent and most glorious National Socialist episode.

Now after the nazis were "vanquished" ever since European politics has been a sewer of Jewish intellectual filth. You need not read a fucking article on this, I just wrote it.

Kind Lampshade Maker
10-27-2004, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]....3) the French Revolution of 1789 which nearly liquidated the old Frankish aristocracy, and the old order of Continental Europe, in favor of rabble rousing demagoguery etc, and the subsequent Enfranchisement of Jews by Napoleon,
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Are you implying that before the French Revolution took place, France was Judenfrei? What would have been negative about the French Revolution, had France never have been a colonial power, thus having remained an all-European society?
Imagine what would happen if the techno-aristocracy of post-war Germany were to suffer a French styled revolution. The ruling elite here have gone forward where the Immigration Act of 1965 left off. The revolutionary spirit in France has become ingrained and their European stock vote WN to a higher percentage than does pre-revolutionary Germany

heaven above
10-27-2004, 10:19 PM
Very good to see that there are many nationalists in the old USA.

I can see where FRANCO is getting at.

However, we need to get our act together NOW.

In the USA you have the freedom of speech. We both speak the same language.

I would urge a web radio station.

We have loads of excellent people that would be able to run any plan of this sort.

For example; would you folks be able to put up with John Tyndall occasionally ? :eek:


For those who have never heard John Tyndall, he will make your hair fly back. He will also make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. JT is the best orator in the English speaking World today.

Glen and Co including David Duke. We are asking for your help here.

LUX
10-27-2004, 11:00 PM
Events are happening on a daily basis and at an ever increasing pace that are difficult to determine the truth about.
When a video taped prophecy about the next terror strike surfaces, we simply don't know if it is:
a) from authentic Islamic Jihadists made angry at us by the jews amongst us
b)jews trying to frame Jihadists so as to shore up sympathy and support
c)anti-jewish elements within our government bend on displacing jewish power while using Jihadists as a cover or proxy.

Deflecting attention from the fact that the jews are central to all three scenarios should be seen as a non-sequitur anyways.

Derrick Beukeboom
10-27-2004, 11:23 PM
VNN: No Jews, Just Right.
This has been the mantra of VNN since the beginning.
It has always primarily focused on the kike connection to our racial plight.

No doubt that the jews are in a way our mortal enemy in the intellectual and philosophical sense.
The Jews HATE the Aryan to no end.
This is true.

However, let us also examine the numbers. There really is not that many jews numerically in existance.
Yet, there are billions of niggers, asiatics, spics and other assorted nonwhites.
It is almost statistical at this point.

With the exception of the UK, there are not that many jews in European nations. However, on my travles in many European countries, they are also dealing with the problems of immigration, crime and race mixing.
It is true that many liberal self hating traitors are just as bad as the Aryan hating jews.
This is my opinion.
I am telling you this based on first hand accounts.

Jew ='s problem for Whites.
Nonwhite ='s problem for Whites.

jew's + nonwhites ='s White extinction.

This is my formula. It is identifying both the jew and nonwhite as biological competitors to our well being.

I sometimes don't understand when WNs' state that if/when we solve the jewish problem, than all of a sudden the nonwhite issue goes magically away.
Wishful thinking folks.

heaven above
10-27-2004, 11:31 PM
And your point is Mr. Beukeboom ?

hitler goddess
10-27-2004, 11:42 PM
This is the point I believe:


This is my formula. It is identifying both the jew and nonwhite as biological competitors to our well being.

I sometimes don't understand when WNs' state that if/when we solve the jewish problem, than all of a sudden the nonwhite issue goes magically away.
Wishful thinking folks

Spengler
10-27-2004, 11:46 PM
[QUOTE=heaven above]And your point is Mr. Beukeboom ?[/QUOTE]
I think his point is that even if Jews were to disappear tomorrow, there are still plenty of whites in power that believe in racial egalitarianism and open borders. In other words, the Jewish cultural and philosophical influences are still there even if the Jews aren't.

He's got a point. The Scandanavian countries, for example, which are relatively Jew free, have very liberal immigration policies because they've been extremely receptive to Jew propogated left wing ideas.

Jim Crowe
10-27-2004, 11:53 PM
There are some WN's that don't want to hear this, but the jews (2 percent demographic group) couldn't have done squat unless:

A. whites offered virtually no resistance to it, and/or

B. there are some whites that have had an active hand in it.

Franco
10-28-2004, 12:05 AM
[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]There are some WN's that don't want to hear this, but the jews (2 percent demographic group) couldn't have done squat unless:

A. whites offered virtually no resistance to it, and/or

B. there are some whites that have had an active hand in it.[/QUOTE]



Most Whites know nothing about race and Jews EXCEPT WHAT THE JEWISH-HEAVY WESTERN CULTURES HAVE TAUGHT THEM. They have been told that there is little or no difference between the human races, and so they act accordingly. And who has spearheaded the 'all-humans-are-equal' movement in the West? JEWS.

Jim, I'll bet there are many forums on the web that would welcome you with open arms. Why don't you try another forum?




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Jim Crowe
10-28-2004, 12:06 AM
[QUOTE=Derrick Beukeboom]I sometimes don't understand when WNs' state that if/when we solve the jewish problem, than all of a sudden the nonwhite issue goes magically away.
Wishful thinking folks.[/QUOTE]

The mindset is that the white race is faced with numerous problems and obstacles from outside and from within, so it easy to compartmentalize the problem to one particular entity.

Are Jews the greatest problem for whites? Perhaps, but the fact it is a very multi-faceted problem that involves jews, non-whites (yes, non-whites are capable of leveraging their own interests without jews) and destructive elements within the white race.

I'll go even futher to suggest that some extrapolate the jewish question into obsurdity, and leads to bizarre beliefs that muslims (our darkened fellow jew fighters) are our allies.

Jim Crowe
10-28-2004, 12:08 AM
Maybe I just here to piss you off Franco. Quit being such a bleeding crybaby.

hitler goddess
10-28-2004, 12:09 AM
[QUOTE=Franco]Most Whites know nothing about race and Jews EXCEPT WHAT THE JEWISH-HEAVY WESTERN CULTURES HAVE TAUGHT THEM. They have been told that there is little or no difference between the human races, and so they act accordingly. And who has spearheaded the 'all-humans-are-equal' movement in the West? JEWS.

Jim, I'll bet there are many forums on the web that would welcome you with open arms. Why don't you try another forum?

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It might not be easy to accept, and you may not want to hear what he says but it is the truth.

Anima Eternae
10-28-2004, 12:14 AM
[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Maybe I just here to piss you off Franco. Quit being such a bleeding crybaby.[/QUOTE]


Hey don't feel bad, he already asked me to leave as well. Though I guess his argument for my case would probably hold more water among those here.



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Franco
10-28-2004, 12:25 AM
Are Jews the greatest problem for whites? Perhaps,




Oh! ANOTHER race controls the Western media? ANOTHER race gave the West 'hate-crime' laws? Well, do share! Please, tell us more!

:mad:





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heaven above
10-28-2004, 12:28 AM
My word. I will be putting myself down in the analls of history and persecution.

I'm just a local Lancashire lad.

Read at University, and so on .

The jews are our absolute bain. Why on Earth have we to to put up with these people ? The history of the World seems to be of these people.....why ?


They seem to have almost divine intervention. But they are NOT divine.

I despair, but am looking for the answer from Jehovah/God.

Intrepid
10-28-2004, 01:18 AM
[QUOTE=Franco]Oh! ANOTHER race controls the Western media? ANOTHER race gave the West 'hate-crime' laws? Well, do share! Please, tell us more!

:mad:





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Yes, didn't you know that, Franco? Those homely little Jewish folks are but mere clerks, so to speak, who hold little sway in our nation's destiny. It matters very little that every Leftist flower, placed in the Western garden, has a Jewish root attached. You've really got to get with the program, Generalisimo. :rolleyes:

Franco
10-28-2004, 01:34 AM
[QUOTE=Intrepid]Yes, didn't you know that, Franco? Those homely little Jewish folks are but mere clerks, so to speak, who hold little sway in our nation's destiny. It matters very little that every Leftist flower, placed in the Western garden, has a Jewish root attached. You've really got to get with the program, Generalisimo. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]



:D




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Jim Crowe
10-28-2004, 05:58 AM
[QUOTE=Franco]Oh! ANOTHER race controls the Western media? ANOTHER race gave the West 'hate-crime' laws? Well, do share! Please, tell us more!

[/QUOTE]


I never said another race (other than jews) controls the media, hollywood, and other things. Post-WWII up until the sixties whites lived in segregated communities for the most part and the sixties was a very harmful decade for whites. Other than some pockets of resistance from some Southern men much of this agenda met little resistance. True jews initiated the current immigration laws but the majority whites in congress just let it all sail right through.

The point is that whites control their own destiny, not jews. Whites choose whether to be master or slave.

Franco
10-28-2004, 06:33 AM
The point is that whites control their own destiny, not jews. Whites choose whether to be master or slave.



Actually, Whites are brainwashed into being slaves, e.g.:

Jew: 'hey, if you don't embrace non-Whites in x, y or z manner, that is hate and bigotry! Remember what happened in Europe in the 1940s? The H-H-H-HollowCost! It could happen again if you don't embrace minorities.'

Gentile: 'well, uhhhhh, maybe you're right. I don't want to be a h-h-h-hater.'

It happens daily, all over the West. The nice, benevolent gentile vs. the clever Jew with his 24/7 race agenda.

Jim, why don't you do a web search -- I'm sure that there are many forums that would welcome your views. In fact, I would bet that some VNNF posters would help you find a new forum to post at.








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El Duce
10-28-2004, 09:35 AM
Remember that our greatest enemy is the treacherous greedy upper-class of our own kind.
These scum bucket would sell their own mother, and most of these shabaz goy are criminal minded . No, I don't hate the jews,they do what comes natural. Jews were giving the power by the greedy bastards for short term gains.If it weren't for unscrupulous race-traitor christian honkeys, the jews would still be hawking rags from their pushcarts.


In the long run, short-sighted greed is no different than stupidity.

Antiochus Epiphanes
10-28-2004, 11:29 AM
I hear what Derrick is saying, but it is my belief that the Jew is in fact, the lynchpin. They hold the multicult system together and if we break the lynchpin we will in fact break the system.

The Jews have time and time again, been the effective administrators of empire. For the Romans, for the Arabas-- yes! the Moors in Spain, for the Ottoman Turks, for the Austro Hungarian Empire, for the British, for the Soviets, for ... America of late. They are a pestilent bacteria that like yeast causes the "bread [of Empire] to rise." Well I think, as quarter Jew Lenin observed in "Imperialism as the Last Stage of Capitalism," that we are past the era of Empire and at the thresh-hold of a new era that will mean either our extinction, or our renewed leadership of the world. But we will not accomplish it by wars of conquest and economic exploitation, but by civil wars and subsequent harsh internal discipline, followed by decisive action that will ensure both our existence as subsequent peace with whatever nations will have it on terms that provide for our ultimate and unequivocal survival.

The odd thing, I believe, is that Zionism and the annihalation of the Zionist entity, which I think is inevitable, will be the catalyst for the West to "wake up" to the virtue of our own right to a separate existence and the necessity to take whatever steps are necessary to ensure it. I think that when bedwetters whine about Zionist brutality and compare it to NS, I smile, both because I like to see Jews squirm, and because there is a grain of truth in it. KMD posited NS as a kind of Western answer to Jewish subversion and the Jewish strategy. I think he was right.

I know that this comment rambles and contains many odd expressions and I hope you all will excuse me but there are some ironies at hand in the world, which I am having a hard time articulating. Must be the total lunar eclipse last night has me discombobulated! LOL

White Will
10-28-2004, 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=hitler goddess]This is the point I believe:[/QUOTE]

Quote:
This is my formula. It is identifying both the jew and nonwhite as biological competitors to our well being.

I sometimes don't understand when WNs' state that if/when we solve the jewish problem, than all of a sudden the nonwhite issue goes magically away.
Wishful thinking folks.

His point is correct. Ours is a biological struggle for living space with competing races, not just Jews, that -- bottom line -- can't make White babies.

I remember Ben Klassen putting it simply, something like this: We are the White pioneers, bringers of civilization, travelling through savage lands in our train of Conestoga wagons in our manifest quest to tame the West. The Jew is represented by a few hostile Indians on an overlooking bluff. The Jew has us with our wagons circled because he has just stampeded a big herd of buffalo -- the nigger horde -- straight at us from his safe overlook.

Now, imagine that the perfidious stampeders are taken out of this scenario. Do you really believe that the White pioneers couldn't adequately handle a herd of otherwise docile buffalo?

Jim Crowe
10-28-2004, 07:00 PM
[QUOTE=Franco]Actually, Whites are brainwashed into being slaves, e.g.:

Jew: 'hey, if you don't embrace non-Whites in x, y or z manner, that is hate and bigotry! Remember what happened in Europe in the 1940s? The H-H-H-HollowCost! It could happen again if you don't embrace minorities.'

Gentile: 'well, uhhhhh, maybe you're right. I don't want to be a h-h-h-hater.'

It happens daily, all over the West. The nice, benevolent gentile vs. the clever Jew with his 24/7 race agenda.

Jim, why don't you do a web search -- I'm sure that there are many forums that would welcome your views. In fact, I would bet that some VNNF posters would help you find a new forum to post at.[/QUOTE]

The whites in Congess in the 60's, who were minus a pair of balls, didn't want to risk being labelled a "racist" or whatever else and took the easy way out, sold out their race and collaborated with jews and passed the Civil Rights, immigration and whatever else the jews wanted.

George Bush refuses to stop the mudflow from Mexico because he is pandering to the hispanic vote, which is what politicians do.

Name the jew, fight the jew from here to eternity, but in the end whites need to accept responsibility for their own plight. It is very poor character to consistantly blame someone else for their own problems.

Just with blacks constantly blaming whitey, do you really want to follow that lead?

Franco, you have absolutely no confidence in your own argument. That's why you wish to kill the messenger.

hitler goddess
10-28-2004, 07:36 PM
I only wish I could be so optimistic to think that without the influence of the Jews our problems would just disappear. But even without Jews we would still obviously have to deal with niggers, spics and all the other non-white mongrels, and white people who wish to cling on to the ideas that have been a part of their belief system for all of these years.

Jim Crowe
10-28-2004, 07:49 PM
[QUOTE=hitler goddess]I only wish I could be so optimistic to think that without the influence of the Jews our problems would just disappear. But even without Jews we would still obvious have to deal with niggers, spics and all the other non-white mongrels, and white people who wish to cling on to the ideas that have been a part of their belief system for all of these years.[/QUOTE]

Or just eliminate individuals from VNN Forum who dare question stated dogma. That will take care of the jews.....actually, it won't do a damn thing, other than let some continue to indulge in a whine-fest.

Old White Goat
10-28-2004, 08:47 PM
[QUOTE=Derrick Beukeboom]VNN: No Jews, Just Right.
This has been the mantra of VNN since the beginning.
It has always primarily focused on the kike connection to our racial plight.

No doubt that the jews are in a way our mortal enemy in the intellectual and philosophical sense.
The Jews HATE the Aryan to no end.
This is true.

However, let us also examine the numbers. There really is not that many jews numerically in existance.
Yet, there are billions of niggers, asiatics, spics and other assorted nonwhites.
It is almost statistical at this point.

With the exception of the UK, there are not that many jews in European nations. However, on my travles in many European countries, they are also dealing with the problems of immigration, crime and race mixing.
It is true that many liberal self hating traitors are just as bad as the Aryan hating jews.
This is my opinion.
I am telling you this based on first hand accounts.

Jew ='s problem for Whites.
Nonwhite ='s problem for Whites.

jew's + nonwhites ='s White extinction.

This is my formula. It is identifying both the jew and nonwhite as biological competitors to our well being.

[color=red]I sometimes don't understand when WNs' state that if/when we solve the jewish problem, than all of a sudden the nonwhite issue goes magically away.[/color]
Wishful thinking folks.[/QUOTE]

This is a really good post. Once the jew is expelled, weve got alot more work ahead to reverse their destruction of our society.

Old White Goat
10-28-2004, 08:59 PM
[QUOTE=Franco]Actually, Whites are brainwashed into being slaves, e.g.:

Jew: 'hey, if you don't embrace non-Whites in x, y or z manner, that is hate and bigotry! Remember what happened in Europe in the 1940s? The H-H-H-HollowCost! It could happen again if you don't embrace minorities.'

Gentile: 'well, uhhhhh, maybe you're right. I don't want to be a h-h-h-hater.'

It happens daily, all over the West. The nice, benevolent gentile vs. the clever Jew with his 24/7 race agenda.

Jim, why don't you do a web search -- I'm sure that there are many forums that would welcome your views. In fact, I would bet that some VNNF posters would help you find a new forum to post at.








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Um no, whites are not afraid of being called a hater or a bigot. They are afraid of being labeled a racist and then being barred from getting a job and having it follow them forever. This is the MAIN reason so few speak out.

Jews shape society to their agenda by use of monetary rewards for obeying their alien policies.

Example: Hire x number of non-whites or you wont be awarded this contract.

Demonica
10-28-2004, 09:03 PM
Once we get rid of the jews, there will be no more ADL, JDC, ACLU, SPLC, etc. to defend nigger savages. They can either suffer our wrath or move back to afreeka :p

hitler goddess
10-28-2004, 09:06 PM
[QUOTE=Demonica]Once we get rid of the jews, there will be no more ADL, JDC, ACLU, SPLC, etc. to defend nigger savages. They can either suffer our wrath or move back to afreeka :p[/QUOTE]


This is true only to a point. There would still be some race-traitor whites who, I believe, would defend the niggers.

The Final Solution
10-29-2004, 08:30 AM
[QUOTE=Franco]Jim, I'll bet there are many forums on the web that would welcome you with open arms. Why don't you try another forum?
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LOL. Forget you're not a mod anymore? Forget this isn't OD? Must be getting senile, Franco.