Comparing the NA and the real NSDAP : Hitler didn't own the "Völkischer Beobachter" or the other publishing arms of the party. The NSDAP did. Nor did Hitler own the Party. The Party members 'owned' the Party. Had Hitler died in 1934 the NSDAP would have continued with a new leader chosen from its existing membership. When Hitler made his personal will he left his property to the NSDAP. Pierce din't do this with the NA because in a real sense the NA doesn't exist separately from him. Pierce owned National Vanguard and Resistance Records and he owned them apart from the NA. What therefore is the political wing of the NA in reality? It's the Dr. William Pierce Fan Club dressed as a political organization. I don't mean to imply that Dr. Pierce was insincere. He is very sincere. But these are the organizational realities.

Dr. Pierce did not have the level loyalty to able followers that Adolf Hitler had. Hitler didn't fear having capable men working for him, nor did he try to get rid of them. Hitler as a leader was a remarkable stability from first to last in the Nazi leadership. Hitler wanted capable men, and so did Rockwell. Dr. Pierce was a mere publisher .

[QUOTE=El Duce]Comparing the NA and the real NSDAP : Hitler didn't own the "Völkischer Beobachter" or the other publishing arms of the party. The NSDAP did. Nor did Hitler own the Party. The Party members 'owned' the Party. Had Hitler died in 1934 the NSDAP would have continued with a new leader chosen from its existing membership. When Hitler made his personal will he left his property to the NSDAP. Pierce din't do this with the NA because in a real sense the NA doesn't exist separately from him. Pierce owned National Vanguard and Resistance Records and he owned them apart from the NA. What therefore is the political wing of the NA in reality? It's the Dr. William Pierce Fan Club dressed as a political organization. I don't mean to imply that Dr. Pierce was insincere. He is very sincere. But these are the organizational realities.

Dr. Pierce did not have the level loyalty to able followers that Adolf Hitler had. Hitler didn't fear having capable men working for him, nor did he try to get rid of them. Hitler as a leader was a remarkable stability from first to last in the Nazi leadership. Hitler wanted capable men, and so did Rockwell. Dr. Pierce was a mere publisher .[/QUOTE]


There is so much that is wrong here that it is hard to correct it all. When Dr. Pierce died he DID leave his personal property to the NA, with the minor exception of his personal vehicles. This wouldn't be a clever way of trying to make the average racialist try to believe that he really did leave it all to the lying dog and greasy piece of slime Gliebe, would it? Gleebo and his pact of opportunistic scoundrels did manage to steal most of it but it was not because Dr. Pierce gave it to them.

Dr. Pierce insisted on having capable people working for him, he did not try to get rid of them as you say. It was a lot different than the NA under the bumbling idiot Gliebe and the drunken wack-job Shaun Walker who routinely fire or otherwise run off any staffer who becomes too competent.

Finally, the NA was not and didn't try to be the NSDAP.

I think Adolf Hitler, being among mostly unreconstructed Germans, had less difficulty attracting quality supporters (and financial backing) than Dr. Pierce had. There was a lot more ambient sympathy for Hitler's cause than for Dr. Pierce's. When Mein Kampf made Hitler a wealthy man and well known, that helped too.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]There is so much that is wrong here that it is hard to correct it all. When Dr. Pierce died he DID leave his personal property to the NA, with the minor exception of his personal vehicles. This wouldn't be a clever way of trying to make the average racialist try to believe that he really did leave it all to the lying dog and greasy piece of slime Gliebe, would it? Gleebo and his pact of opportunistic scoundrels did manage to steal most of it but it was not because Dr. Pierce gave it to them.

Dr. Pierce insisted on having capable people working for him, he did not try to get rid of them as you say. It was a lot different than the NA under the bumbling idiot Gliebe and the drunken wack-job Shaun Walker who routinely fire or otherwise run off any staffer who becomes too competent.

Finally, the NA was not and didn't try to be the NSDAP.[/QUOTE]I listened to Dr Pierce weekly dissident voice,and he was a great speaker, and exposed the jew well better than anyone. As you say, NA did not try to be NSDAP , but at the same time he could had had done better for the NA before his departure . Knowing full well that selfishness would plague the NA.

[QUOTE=Hadding]I think Adolf Hitler, being among mostly unreconstructed Germans, had less difficulty attracting quality supporters than Dr. Pierce had. There was a lot more ambient sympathy for Hitler's cause than for Dr. Pierce's. When Mein Kampf made Hitler a wealthy man and well known, that helped too.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, the book “Mein Kemp din't become popular until he became Chancelor . So you see, he was just a regular who was very active in politics.

To ask if Dr. Pierce was a leader or not is a dumb question in itself.
Instead you should be asking if Eric Gliebe is a leader/ I'd like to hear folks opinions on that one. We all know Pierce was a leader the question today is whether or not Gliebe will be able to hold things together.
It doesn't look as though E.G. is going to be able to hold on too much longer. He already has 70% off on the catalog. I saw that on the Resistance web sight just a few days ago.

[QUOTE=Aryan88] you should be asking if Eric Gliebe is a leader/ I'd like to hear folks opinions on that one. We all know Pierce was a leader the question today is whether or not Gliebe will be able to hold things together.
It doesn't look as though E.G. is going to be able to hold on too much longer. He already has 70% off on the catalog. I saw that on the Resistance web sight just a few days ago.[/QUOTE]

I didn't find that 70% off place; Maybe they're a just dumping all the Nazi stuff, White power stuff, etc. But it looks like Screwdriver is now one of the National Alliance's banned bands! Screwdriver is pretty tame and the best music they have. Are they dropping all the skinhead music?

Maybe Elizabeth, who says she is Erich's Jewish girlfriend, will drop into Chain's store again and give us all the latest inside dope on the inside dopes. :D

[QUOTE=El Duce]On the contrary, the book “Mein Kemp din't become popular until he became Chancelor . So you see, he was just a regular who was very active in politics.[/QUOTE] Oh? Then why was the copyright to Mein Kampf renewed in 1925 and 1927? Sounds to me like the book was pretty popular long before AH assumed power in '33.

[QUOTE=HoaxThis]Oh? Then why was the copyright to Mein Kampf renewed in 1925 and 1927? Sounds to me like the book was pretty popular long before AH assumed power in '33.[/QUOTE]Before Hitler became chancellor, Mien Kemp was no more popular than Turner Diaries, or another pro-white books. The mass will only listen to people in high places.

[QUOTE=El Duce]Before Hitler became chancellor, Mien Kemp was no more popular than Turner Diaries, or another pro-white books. The mass will only listen to people in high places.[/QUOTE]Then why were the copyrights renewed - twice? The purpose of this was to claim exclusive publication rights to MEIN KAMPF! (Get it right). You simply don't do that with books that are just collecting dust on bookstore shelves.

And btw - I guess The Turner Diaries has sold only a "few hundred" copies, huh?

Later.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Hey I just ordered some Mien Kemp and Egg Rolls from the local gook restaurant!! What a coincidence!! [/SIZE][/QUOTE] Gotcha. HA! correction>MEIN KAMPF

[QUOTE=El Duce]Gotcha. HA! correction>MEIN KAMPF[/QUOTE]
Now that you've given up your mien kemp, how about explaining what a duce is in Spanish?

[QUOTE=Hadding]Now that you've given up your mien kemp, how about explaining what a duce is in Spanish?[/QUOTE]Italian, from Latin dux-A leader or commander; a chief.

duce - leader; "Mussolini was called Il Duce"
leader - a person who rules or guides or inspires others

Ok? anyother questions?

[QUOTE=El Duce]Italian, from Latin dux-A leader or commander; a chief.

duce - leader; "Mussolini was called Il Duce"
leader - a person who rules or guides or inspires others

Ok? anyother questions?[/QUOTE]




I think he meant "El" as opposed to "Il."




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[QUOTE=Franco]I think he meant "El" as opposed to "Il."




--------[/QUOTE]Reason I’m using the El” as oppose to Il” is already in use when I signed in.

[QUOTE=Hadding]Now that you've given up your mien kemp, how about explaining what a duce is in Spanish?[/QUOTE]

Ha. I noticed that too and merely shook my head.

He wouldn't be the first person on this forum to embarrass himself by assuming a handle that was clearly an unintentional corruption of the original source language.

WTF’s the big of my handle ? don’t any of you have anything good related topics to talk about. Incidentally, how can I change my handle? or is it permanent.

[QUOTE=El Duce]I listened to Dr Pierce weekly dissident voice,and he was a great speaker, and exposed the jew well better than anyone. As you say, NA did not try to be NSDAP , but at the same time he could had had done better for the NA before his departure . Knowing full well that selfishness would plague the NA.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps the only thing he did wrong was not select an heir before his death, and instead left that decision up to a handful of people. Kinda like Alexander the Great dividing up his empire. But on the other hand, I think Dr. Pierce wanted his followers to use their own free judgement to intelligently select a replacement. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.

[QUOTE=NorWind]I didn't find that 70% off place; Maybe they're a just dumping all the Nazi stuff, White power stuff, etc. But it looks like Screwdriver is now one of the National Alliance's banned bands! Screwdriver is pretty tame and the best music they have. Are they dropping all the skinhead music?

Maybe Elizabeth, who says she is Erich's Jewish girlfriend, will drop into Chain's store again and give us all the latest inside dope on the inside dopes. :D[/QUOTE]



LOL Maybe she will be too DOPED up! LOL
:D I always like your humor NorWind.

[QUOTE=Auschwitz_Part_II]Perhaps the only thing he did wrong was not select an heir before his death, and instead left that decision up to a handful of people. Kinda like Alexander the Great dividing up his empire. But on the other hand, I think Dr. Pierce wanted his followers to use their own free judgement to intelligently select a replacement. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head. Pierce should have had an offspring, an heir” to rule his empire. (just kidding).

[QUOTE=El Duce]Reason I’m using the El” as oppose to Il” is already in use when I signed in.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=El Duce]WTF’s the big of my handle ? don’t any of you have anything good related topics to talk about. Incidentally, how can I change my handle? or is it permanent.[/QUOTE]
At least you didn't choose "La."

Anyway, it can be changed. Ask a mod. No offense intended.

[QUOTE=torcher88]At least you didn't choose "La."

Anyway, it can be changed. Ask a mod. No offense intended.[/QUOTE] I would like to replace my handle with dux” if its possible.

[QUOTE=El Duce]Comparing the NA and the real NSDAP : Hitler didn't own the "Völkischer Beobachter" or the other publishing arms of the party. The NSDAP did. Nor did Hitler own the Party. The Party members 'owned' the Party. Had Hitler died in 1934 the NSDAP would have continued with a new leader chosen from its existing membership. When Hitler made his personal will he left his property to the NSDAP. Pierce din't do this with the NA because in a real sense the NA doesn't exist separately from him. Pierce owned National Vanguard and Resistance Records and he owned them apart from the NA. What therefore is the political wing of the NA in reality? It's the Dr. William Pierce Fan Club dressed as a political organization. I don't mean to imply that Dr. Pierce was insincere. He is very sincere. But these are the organizational realities.[/QUOTE]
Some of the errors in this have already been addressed. Let me add this.

Culturally, 1933 Germany and 1983 America were universes apart. The NSDAP and Pierce's NA were organizations facing totally different situations and problems and therefore had very different orientations. The NSDAP existed at a time when it was feasible, even natural, to create a mass movement capable of energizing the people and obtaining power directly and legally. The NA was created in a time when racialist concepts had already been marginalized into near oblivion, largely by an ascendent Jewish controlled media. Thus Pierce did not seek to immediately build a political base but rather focus solely on the ideological and educational aspects of the political fight. He hoped to build White media capable of competing with the Jews for public attention without even thinking about attempting political change. The need for political change was invoked often in NA lit and ADVs, but always in the context of a vaguely envisioned future. It was because of the hopelessness of direct, immediate political activity, that the plan was to build White media first. This entailed mostly disseminating Pierce's own excellent writings and broadcasts at first, but certainly Pierce envisioned a greatly expanded effort in the future.

Therefore, while I agree with you that the NA was never truly a political organization, I have to take issue with your description of the NA as "the Dr. William Pierce Fan Club dressed as a political organization." Fault the underlying strategy if you will, but the NA under Pierce was certainly more than that.

[QUOTE=El Duce]Dr. Pierce did not have the level loyalty to able followers that Adolf Hitler had. Hitler didn't fear having capable men working for him, nor did he try to get rid of them. Hitler as a leader was a remarkable stability from first to last in the Nazi leadership. Hitler wanted capable men, and so did Rockwell. Dr. Pierce was a mere publisher .[/QUOTE]

After building White media, the next most important aspect of Pierce's plan was to attract the best people to his cause--the successful, the well adjusted, the winners, as he liked to call them. Pierce did not fear capable men working for him, but I will give you that the cadre-building did not proceed as well as it should have**. I think there were at least two factors contributing to the disappointing organizational results of Pierce's decades of work.

First, while Pierce was right to insist on standards, I do not think the rigid pyramid structure of the NA, based on the so-called "leadership principle" was particularly attractive to every talented and perceptive person who came into the organization. Not every person cares to submit to absolute and implicitly arbitrary authority, especially not every American. In fact, I can relate a personal anecdote of how a real fuck-up was appointed UC right before Pierce died, ultimately causing a lot of attrition of talented members. We can't afford this kind of stupidity, not even once. I consider the NA's organizational structure and the culture surrounding it to be inherently faulty.

As an aside, I notice that we have had some real leaders and many mini-fuehrers. Are quasi-ponzi schemes the best we can do? Are we WNs really incapable of forming an organization based on personal standards, sponsored membership, elected officers, a written constitution and due process?

Secondly, I feel there has been a schizophrenic aspect to the NA stemming from the acquisition of Resistance Records. To simplify things slightly, RR was acquired to generate income as much as to get the message out, but I think the merchandise peddled belied the elitist standards Pierce felt were essential. It's one thing to have honest criticisms of the skinhead culture--hell I think your average skinhead would respect that, even if he did not enjoy it. It's a whole other thing to act friendly for business reasons and then sneer behind the customer's back. Maybe I am exaggerating the situation somewhat, but I simply do not think that RR was ever a totally comfortable fit with the NA and especially Dr. Pierce's old-fashioned sensibilities.

Well that's two critisms I have on the NA. Would like to hear some responses to my analysis.


** Please do not interpret my criticisms as indictments of the individual qualities of any Pierce loyalist. I am only criticizing the overall organizational culture. Given the manifest results, I don't anticipate anyone will contradict me.

Therefore, while I agree with you that the NA was never truly a political organization, I have to take issue with your description of the NA as "the Dr. William Pierce Fan Club dressed as a political organization." Fault the underlying strategy if you will, but the NA under Pierce was certainly more than that.




I agree. The NA under Pierce's leadership was far more than just a 'fan club.' The NA awakened many White people to the Jewish Question.




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[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Hold on now, they are offering 70% off BOOKS now? Please post a link to this!

Although unrelated, where does it say that Skrewdriver is "banned"?[/QUOTE]

I was being facetious. Resistance Records were (or are?) offering a Screwdriver CD at about $10 off. I just assumed they were dumping inventory, and facetiously speculating that they were getting rid of politically incorrect stuff since the other items on sale were white fists, Nazi shirts etc.

As for books….. I see only this sale:

[QUOTE=National Vanguard Books]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Dr. William L. Pierce Memorial Book Sale[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]To help celebrate the birthday of Dr. William Pierce, one of the greatest thinkers of our time, National Vanguard Books is having an extraordinary sale in his honor.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE][/FONT]

Pretty tacky: commercialization of the man’s death, two years after he passes from a horribly painful cancer death. Crass, greedy exploitation … kind of like what the Jews have done to Christmas, Washington ’s Birthday, etc.

"In the November 12, 1933, German general election, 92% of electors are recorded as voting for Nazi candidates, with 96% of the electorate turning out to vote."
That was when a White country still existed and the only racial problem was a small band of jews. This is niggerized, jew-dazed, America where Whites are not a majority


One thing that should never be forgotten is that the people of today are not the same as the people of 1940. What worked then will NOT work now!

A White community is formed from White individuals. There is no economic solution, no religious solution.-George Lincoln Rockwell puts it well :Your skin is not only your uniform, it is your flag.