I have seen quite a few opinions on the subject here and there. Let's get a thread going on the topic of Islam and the Islamic fight against Judeo-globalism.

For WNs in 2004, what is the proper attitude towards Islam?

I voted contempt with amity anyway.

Many of them are lowlifes but the religion of Islam is precisely what allows them to fight the jew so efficiently. They are willing to go to Eternal Life With Mohammed and his 70 virgins just to take one or two slimy yids with them.

No, the middle eastern population should not be exterminated, as norcal suggested; fighting the jew is hard enough and we don't need any additional enemies. Besides, we don't want the jews to escape the West and re-align themselves with their semitic brothers as they did during the crusades, do we?

Encourage the Muslims fighting Israel, but make it clear that we don't want them over here. In return, we would withdraw from the ME, and Izzy would stand alone surrounded by hundreds of millions of muslims. The situation would then take care of itself.

As a side note, contempt with amity is probably the way Hitler treated the Muslims, but I have even heard that Himmler was more fond of Islam than Christianity (kill your enemies as opposed to forgive them)

It would appear that you don't live directly beside enforced multi-culturalism.

Keep Britain White.




XVIII.

I would not go quite as far as "despicable" Hardly capable allies- they are aware of jews and jews still live there. Enemies of the west only if the west sells them the technology. I am not in fear of ay-rabs.

I just want to see where everyone stands. Don't forget to vote. Thanks.
[QUOTE=MASTY]It would appear that you don't live directly beside enforced multi-culturalism.

Keep Britain White.




XVIII.[/QUOTE]

I chose door #1, Monty, and here's why: Muslims are the only force combatting the jew - I admire them for that (fuck Allah). And seeing as how we can use all the help we can possibly muster in stomping out this pestilence, by necessity we should form an alliance. Who the hell else are we going to ally ourselves with - Christians who believe in the mental and moral superiority of the Chosen race, or those who know better from firsthand experience?

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]I voted contempt with amity anyway.

Many of them are lowlifes but the religion of Islam is precisely what allows them to fight the jew so efficiently. They are willing to go to Eternal Life With Mohammed and his 70 virgins just to take one or two slimy yids with them.

No, the middle eastern population should not be exterminated, as norcal suggested; fighting the jew is hard enough and we don't need any additional enemies. Besides, we don't want the jews to escape the West and re-align themselves with their semitic brothers as they did during the crusades, do we?

Encourage the Muslims fighting Israel, but make it clear that we don't want them over here. In return, we would withdraw from the ME, and Izzy would stand alone surrounded by hundreds of millions of muslims. The situation would then take care of itself.

As a side note, contempt with amity is probably the way Hitler treated the Muslims, but I have even heard that Himmler was more fond of Islam than Christianity (kill your enemies as opposed to forgive them)[/QUOTE]
Did you say seventy virgins, as in "7-0?" I was always under the impression that it was twenty-eight cherries they were rewarded with. Eh.....could I change my vote for option #6....please? (Anyone seen my prayer rug?)

Jes' kiddin' ;) - I'll stick with option #1.

I thought about choosing the obedience option as a joke. But seriously, my thoughts on this fit into a couple of different options listed. Muslims are fighting the Jew and I can admire that, but I still see them as enemies because they certainly are not going to give any of us a pass just because we may agree with them on a few things in regards to the Jews.

I'm indifferent. I certainly am not going to start waving their flags or anything, unlike some here.

Those sandpeople currently living in OUR countries, on the otherhand, will have hell to pay.

This will be the most wishy-washy post I have ever made. I was forced to vote other. I would like to have voted Indifference, but I didn't; perhaps the following will explain:

1. MASTY makes a good point: Those of us who live in the US, especially parts of the US, such as Denver, that are largely Muslim free, sometime forget that our homelands in Europe are overrun. I can't be indifferent to this. Muslims out of Europe!

2. However, I think that it is Jews and American traitors who have perpetrated the large part of the brutal acts, both in the US and in Iraq, that have been blamed on mythical Islamic groups.

3. I can not help but be sympathetic to Palestinians and Iraqis who are being murdered by the thousands by us and the Israelis. There is no rational evidence that these people have done us harm. They are on their soil and have the right to defend it and live in peace.

4. I am exasperated by any attempt on a forum where I would hope members would know better, to move the focus away from the Jews and American traitors.

5. I become highly suspicious when a member, especially a new member with his first post, announces something like, "We must not forget that our true enemy is Islam."

6. Other than these, I am indifferent.

Enkidu

5. I become highly suspicious when a member, especially a new member with his first post, announces something like, "We must not forget that our true enemy is Islam."


That is suspicious. I have always said that I do see Islam as a threat, but saying Islam is our "true enemy" implies that Muslims are a BIGGER threat then the Jews. I just haven't figured out of the person who said this is a jew, or a Bush Campaign worker ;)

My only experience in dealing with ME muslim types has been when shopping in convenience stores. They're stuck up, suspicious, arrogant, and pious all at the same time. With an inferiority complex to top it all off. I'm not anti-Muslim at all but to me they seem like the kind of people who are good at playing along while they invade and breed. They'd be great allies/trading partners if there was no Israel or military complex. Our gubmint needs an enemy to justify it's massive military expenditures and they've naturally chosen the Muslim world. Duh. Without Muslims, who would America pick on?

They fight the jew and are wise to the jew, which is a lot more than I can say for that other semitic religion, Christianity. If they can rid the world of Israel, I'll gladly change my vote to "Muslims rock and I love them!". Until they do, they're just a bunch of petroleum monarchies full of turd world crazies who I want nothing to do with. They are fundamentally different from whites.

[QUOTE=Vlad]No. Fucking. Way.

The question is attitude toward the religion Islam, not whether WNs should ally with muslim extremists.
[/QUOTE]Gee, I guess I totally misunderstood option #1 then. Anyway, I meant to qualify that with a "temporary" alliance - sorry. Then again, I did'nt say we should marry the fuckers either. Once it's over, they pack it up, get out of the White nations, and we stay the hell out of the ME. Hey, I'm no fan of muslims myself, but I do realize the importance of temporary alliances. You know the stranglehold the juden has over the West, do you really think we're going to unseat the scumbags with just a few thousand hard-core WN's and a handful of keyboard revolutionaries alone???

BTW - if it makes you feel any better, I agree totally with your last sentence.

[QUOTE=Bragi]My only experience in dealing with ME muslim types has been when shopping in convenience stores. They're stuck up, suspicious, arrogant, and pious all at the same time. With an inferiority complex to top it all off. I'm not anti-Muslim at all but to me they seem like the kind of people who are good at playing along while they invade and breed. They'd be great allies/trading partners if there was no Israel or military complex. Our gubmint needs an enemy to justify it's massive military expenditures and they've naturally chosen the Muslim world. Duh. Without Muslims, who would America pick on?

They fight the jew and are wise to the jew, which is a lot more than I can say for that other semitic religion, Christianity. If they can rid the world of Israel, I'll gladly change my vote to "Muslims rock and I love them!". Until they do, they're just a bunch of petroleum monarchies full of turd world crazies who I want nothing to do with. They are fundamentally different from whites.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. I definately wouldn't mind invading their countries, liquidating or subjugating them, and raping them of their resources AS LONG AS IT IS DONE IN OUR NAME, and not at the behest of the kike.

"Respect" is a kike trait, not an Aryan trait. We take what we want, when we want it, and we slaughter man, woman, and child if they stand in our way. That is how we did it for centuries, until kike christianity infected the minds.

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]I disagree. I definately wouldn't mind invading their countries, liquidating or subjugating them, and raping them of their resources AS LONG AS IT IS DONE IN OUR NAME, and not at the behest of the kike.[/QUOTE]


Why would you want to do that? And respect is a Kike trait, what are you talking about?

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Why would you want to do that? And respect is a Kike trait, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

(1) To prove to the non-white world that we mean business this time.

(2) To gain valuable resources and eventually cause the extinction of non-white races.

"mutual respect", the feckless, kikish "I'll be nice to you if you'll be nice to me."

That is not how we were intended to operate.

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana](1) To prove to the non-white world that we mean business this time.

(2) To gain valuable resources and eventually cause the extinction of non-white races.

"mutual respect", the feckless, kikish "I'll be nice to you if you'll be nice to me."

That is not how we were intended to operate.[/QUOTE]



You said you wouldn't mind invading their countries. If they were in their own countries, like they should be, then why do we need to bother with them. obviously we disagree, I don't wish to cause the "extinction" of anyone, if they are doing their own thing in their own countries and not bothering me.

And again, you really think it is a "kikish" attitude to say "I'll be nice to you if you are nice to me? They can say that all they want, but do you think they actually practice that? :confused:

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]You said you wouldn't mind invading their countries. If they were in their own countries, like they should be, then why do we need to bother with them. obviously we disagree, I don't wish to cause the "extinction" of anyone, if they are doing their own thing in their own countries and not bothering me.

And again, you really think it is a "kikish" attitude to say "I'll be nice to you if you are nice to me? They can say that all they want, but do you think they actually practice that? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Should we have left the poor injuns alone? They weren't bothering us.

We didn't leave them alone and thank god for it. And one day, maybe a hundred years from now, maybe a thousand, a little white kid living in the former saudi kingdom, or the former nation of china is going to say "thank god my ancestors conquered this land and wiped out the arabs and chinese."

...or Aryan Superman. Time will tell. Sorry Anime. But with one foot in both worlds, you will always be half wrong. And are not on firm footing to pass judgement on either. Please keep your White-influenced brain focused on tasks promoting the White race while here. Smart, maybe. Tactful-HA!

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]I disagree. I definately wouldn't mind invading their countries, liquidating or subjugating them, and raping them of their resources AS LONG AS IT IS DONE IN OUR NAME, and not at the behest of the kike.

"Respect" is a kike trait, not an Aryan trait. We take what we want, when we want it, and we slaughter man, woman, and child if they stand in our way. That is how we did it for centuries, until kike christianity infected the minds.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for the war. If, as you say, it's done for the right reasons, and not for the bandit-state/world-center-for-organized-crime called Israel.

Fact is, 140,000 soldiers is a minor deployment, dwarfed even by the millions involved in Vietnam. Because modern technology takes the place of mass deployments, 140k can do what it took 2 million to do 50 years ago. A bomber dropping forty 500 pound bombs out of the bomb bay doors and onto the streets of Fallujah requires only 3 or 4 crew. And Iraq's air defenses aren't putting up much resistance.

1,000 dead? 8,000 injured? So what? You join the army, you gamble on being killed or maimed or scorched or injured should your government go to war. I'm tired of the bleeding hearts going on about our boys this and our children that. If Bush would just come out and say "we're going there to kick their asses, take their oil, and sell them American made goods when we're done" then he'd go a long way towards telling the simple truth. "Our" soldiers want war, they need war. They are soldiers, people. They get an adventure and 1 in 100 get killed or hurt. Risky business but it's a war people. And a small one at that. Get over it. Secretly, most Americans are all for war. But this one's for Israel, and sadly, most Americans secretly love serving Israel and world jewry. Christinsanity, what can I say? They're "chosen", according to the jew book.

As it is, these filthy kike neo-Kahns have everyone trying to hide and lie about the obvious. Fuck fweedom and demokwacy. Like anybody in DC or elsewhere gives a rat's ass about the freedom or liberty of turd-world sandland camel jockeys in Iraq. Just come out and admit it. All powerful nations turn to empire-building. England did it for centuries. BUT THEY DID IT FOR THE ENGLISH, FOR THEMSELVES, NOT FOR THE GD JEW.

Yeah, we march over them and slaughter anyone who dares defy us. Or we used to anyway.

When did everyone in this country become a bunch of pussies? War is what it's all about. What its always been about. Grow the fuck up.

But fighting Izzy's war for Izzy is bullshit, plain and simple. Nobody in America benefits by serving the jew. And if average folks would stand up and say "no war for Israel!" or "we choose our wars, not the jews!" then we might have a ballgame.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Muslims aren't wise to the Jew. They hate Jews because of some stupid semetic blood fued, and perhaps the Palestinian issue.

They don't give a flying fuck about demographics or racemixing.


...[/QUOTE]... But they still hate the jew all the same.

Nobody said they'd have the same reasons as a WN, did they?

The jew is attempting to commit genocide against whites and muslims alike, albeit for very different reasons. Because of this, it only makes sense that some sort of uneasy temporary alliance should be made.

I know that Muslims have been both allied with and have also fought against the jew in the many years past. Currently, they are definitely fighting the jew. But tell me, anima, do you ever think that jews and muslims will ever want to kiss and make up anytime in the future, after all the jew has done over the last century? Because I don't. The jew has been running around for thousands of years, screwing over any goyim they come across. But I truly feel that the 21st century will be it for them. Making unnessecary enemies is pointless and stupid.

Wrong. I believe only Whites are fit to judge Whites. Simple, itz!

[QUOTE=Vlad]I can agree with this. However, rapists muslims running rampant all over Europe cannot be overlooked.

I mean, here we are up in the news thread saying Tyrone raped this, nigger killed that, black savage slaughtered so and so.

Hey people, the pakis are Europe's nigger problem. They should receive equal respect as such.[/QUOTE] Now this I can agree with. The thought did cross my mind that in the US, we usually associate muslims with 7-11's and gas stations only. I do realize that Europe (Britain, France, and Germany especially) is being overrun with their own version of a particularly loathsome species of "nigger" - crime-prone, freeloading, shittin'-all-over-their-hosts ME scumbags, mostly of the Pakistani variety. To our brothers across the pond: I did'nt mean to come off as seeming unfeeling (I refuse to use the word "insensitive" - reeks of p.c.) regarding your burden. I certainly would'nt want the fuckers invading our shores en masse and increasing the financial (and social) strain of White people - like I know they do yours.

The uppity niggers of the NOI with their freaky space-ship religion hate jews too, but I certainly am not going to befriend them.

It is dangerous to declare alliances and loyalties to people who would never reciprocate and actually view us as worse than even the kike.

You see, the majority of WN's are athiests or pagans and muslims would rather ally themselves with fellow monothiestic kikes than us.

Christians are considered polythiestic pagans by the muslims because of the Trinity, so no luck for you guys either.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]We have our second Norcal!


Whacko.



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And your not White, so what you say has little bearing.

Run off, now, and play Viewtiful Joe.....

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]And your not White, so what you say has little bearing.

Run off, now, and play Viewtiful Joe.....[/QUOTE]


Ah, going for the ostrich approach?


It'll be your undoing.



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[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]
You see, the majority of WN's are athiests or pagans and muslims would rather ally themselves with fellow monothiestic kikes than us.

Christians are considered polythiestic pagans by the muslims because of the Trinity, so no luck for you guys either.[/QUOTE]Christianity originated in the Middle East. When Christianity was spreading north, pagans ritual were adopted, thus the Arabic dumped Christianity, hence ISLAM.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Hey A.E., not trying to be facetious, but when you look into the mirror and see your flat-backed head (kinda like somebody hit it with a board), bubble lips, flat wide nose, incredibly flat ass (like that was hit with a board too), sloping forehead and short statue, do you see that your Race is many hundreds of thousands of years behind Aryans, in evolutionary development?

And try to be honest and unbiased in your answer and think physical anthropology.[/QUOTE]


Many hundreds of thousands of years?

The white race, nor did any evolved race exist 100,000 years ago. Moreover, if you really want to get technical, you seem to have gotten your evolutionary order mixed up.

I'm wondering how you're going to explain asians being the furthest genetically from Africans than you are, and their higher IQ scores. Spin away, slope banger!

And to be honest, when I look in the mirror, I see a devilishly handsome lad. You know that stereotype exists because it's true.



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I voted to respect them. I know a couple of Muslim non-whites who are very, very nice people. I'm always polite and respectful to them, and will continue to do so until it comes down the kicking them out.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Species have been evolving for countless millions of years. Besides, school's still out on the evolution of so-called Man. I don't believe that jew anthropology crap commonly believed by the lemmings, that says all races are equal. [/quote]

You don't know a damn thing about evolution. Whoever said races were equals?



As for IQs, would you dare compare Asian IQs with Nordics'? The average IQ among Nordics (or full blooded Aryans, which I am not BTW, is without doubt at least 10 points higher, and probably even higher


Wrong, ace. The average white IQ vs the average asian IQ is 100 vs 108. But let's compare Norway to Japan or South Korea (statistics from Lynn's IQATWON). Norway's average IQ is 98, Sweden's is 101, Denmark's is 98. As a side not, Italy's IQ is 102, higher than those nordic countries). Japan's average IQ is 105, South Korea's is 106. China's average IQ is 101.

Gee, maybe you should know your facts and statistics when you want to argue them?



than you undeveloped flat nosed, fat lipped, flat assed and headed, midget gooks?

I notice you avoided my quite obviously accurate physical descriptions of you "people". Tell me why.



I could rattle off tons of physical descriptions about "your people", but I'd be insulting the members here indirectly who aren't giant douchebags such as yourself. Moreover, from my anecdotal experience, us eurasians have very nice bodies (our women get the white curves, but the asian metabolism to keep us thin).



And do pray tell, why the hell so many of you freakin gooks are leaving your own countries by the tens-of-millions to ride on the White man's shoulders, and steal slices of the White man's pies, in the White man's countries.


I'm not defending asian presence in the west. But you're stupid if you think affirmative action helps asians; they lose more from it than you do.

Keep trying, rounda.



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The Ummah is a tool; we must but find a means of grasping it.

http://www.whiterevolution.com/forum14/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1355

Other. A big topic, only a few thoughts, not even original:

Islam is one of the two universal semitic religions, and as such includes numerous races: not just the familiar Arab rags blowing up kikes and ZOG troops but the Turks and Pakis overrunning Germany and Britain. The largest Muslim population is the slope country of Indonesia.

There is a subset of Muslims who are truly fanatical in their opposition to being jewed not just by ZOG but more importantly by their own traitor leaders. They are worthy of The Fuhrer's appelation of a "warrior religion." Witness, for example, the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, which passed the death sentence on Anwar Sadat for making "peace" with kikistan for ZOG bucks. It is only massive CIA protection that saves Mubarak, Abdullah and the House of Saud from the same fate.

Al-Qaeda, as portrayed by the media, is a true multiracial coalition including Arabs, S. Asians, SE Asians, N. Africans and even E. Afreakan nigs. If even roughly accurate, then Islam could be seen as using "diversity" to save its nations just as Christianity is using it to destroy them. That said, their vision for their societies would hardly be comfortable for most Whites or even most WN's and definitely not for any of the Muslims I've known (the coopted ones). This wouldn't matter to me if Europe were not to be part of The New Caliphate.

As for this talk of "alliance," what does WN bring to the table? They have the willingness to die, they have something of a war chest, they have the madrasas and some coordination abilities. We have a really cool uncensored web-forum. A deal, itz???

Moslems cause trouble everywhere they go. They try strongarming all their neighbors around the world. They fight secterian wars between themselves, even. They have no place in White society. Break out the cattle cars

"All cheering for the defeat of the enemies of the jews, while the jews enslave and destroy their people all over the world."
Rounder is dead on here.
Speaking to the Americans here, who is telling you to hate arabs? What group has had a historical beef with arabs? Don't you feel used now?
Europeans: you have to live with them as invaders in your lands. How did their presence come to pass? Where they imported so you'd have the animosity you feel right now? By whom? Starting to feel a little used, as well?

What's the matta, rounder?

Didn't wanna finish our IQ debate? Reality kind of sucks, huh?



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[QUOTE=Whirlwind]...Europeans: you have to live with them as invaders in your lands. How did their presence come to pass? Where they imported so you'd have the animosity you feel right now? By whom? Starting to feel a little used, as well?[/QUOTE]
Here's one for starters: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=141872&posted=1#post141872
Because of Georgie and Franco's service to this forum, sizable research will be needed for information gathering, in answering your request thoroughly

[QUOTE=Rounder]The debate's over. I won. Go look in the mirror and you'll agree. And BTW, buy a copy of the World Almanac and check out the section on "Inventions" under the letter "I". Therein, is listed the 500 or so world's greatest inventions, scientific discoveries, and medical innovations. You'll see clearly that over 98 percent were given to the world by Aryans.[/quote]

It find it amusing you switch to "inventions" after I proved your claims about IQ were wrong. Would you also like to know you probably have about 150 million less cortical neurons than I do? Guess which people have the longest life spans and the highest mental health? (And I'm not even claiming it's eurasians, drop the eu).

By the way, care to guess who was the world leader in exploration and technology until about 1400? There's more to history than simply race, history itself is a product of people and their immediate environments. But someone as one dimensional as yourself can't possibly comprehend this.



I know your game. Trying to appear "disarmingly inoffensive" while causing VNN'ers to become a little bit less antagonistic towards the tens-of-millions of you gooks who have invaded our countries, and to make gooks a little more digestable to Aryans inside Aryan countries.

I don't have a game, fool. I don't give a flying shit about asians, and the only reason I give a flying shit about whites is because they're one of my parent races, who are facing demographic extintinction. Don't flatter yourself.



You gooks on TV mimicing middle-American White folks, makes me want to puke every time one of you smiles at me from my TV. You ain't welcome here. So pack up your ill-gotten wealth, and go back to your own country, and take your aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, and siblings with you. Then you and I can become "friends" and allies against the common enemy of all gentiles - the GD kikes.

Ill gotten? You mean "worked for"? And in my specific case, it seems assimilation already kicked in. If it worked for all immigrants, then I'd have a reason to be less nationalistic. In otherwords, I have no full asian cousins.


Sexy, eh?


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Gosh, Anima, you're soooo cool! How can I and the rest of the forum be more like you? We want to be perfect too.

Sadly, it's too late for us to be mixed-breeds, can we still become arrogant post-sophomoric trolls?

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]It find it amusing you switch to "inventions" after I proved your claims about IQ were wrong. Would you also like to know you probably have about 150 million less cortical neurons than I do? Guess which people have the longest life spans and the highest mental health? (And I'm not even claiming it's eurasians, drop the eu).

By the way, care to guess who was the world leader in exploration and technology until about 1400? There's more to history than simply race, history itself is a product of people and their immediate environments. But someone as one dimensional as yourself can't possibly comprehend this.




I don't have a game, fool. I don't give a flying shit about asians, and the only reason I give a flying shit whites is because they're one of my parent races, who are facing demographic extintinction. Don't flatter yourself.




Ill gotten? You mean "worked for"? And in my specific case, it seems assimilation already kicked in. If it worked for all immigrants, then I'd have a reason to be less nationalistic. In otherwords, I have no full asian cousins.


Sexy, eh?


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Spewing more shit MO'? Want to contribute something relevent?


Nah, too much thinking required. Hey I know, why don't you complain about ad hominem, you sniveling hypocrite?



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I wouldn't dare argue hypocricy with a 4000-level hypocrite/scholar such as yourself. Being a post-sophomoric genius , you know the subject better than I, and you are still taking training from the best minds in academica judaica.
Tell me more about relevence, especially in regards to forum discussion on a White racist site such as VNN.
Feel free to use all the ad hominems you think are required.

No jews. Just right.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Spewing more shit MO'? Want to contribute something relevent?


Nah, too much thinking required. Hey I know, why don't you complain about ad hominem, you sniveling hypocrite?



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There are a couple mummies from around the Tocharin Basin (sp?) that say we taught your ancestors everything they take credit for inventing independently from Europe, Anime. Bronze, horses, wheel, gunpowder, textiles. Shall I go on? Asians copy, period. Obviously the silk road was a trade route L-O-N-G before Marco Polo.
Item #2: Kennewick man's remains, along with injuns carrying a genetic marker for Europeans pretty much convinces me Whites in N.A. were overrun and subsumed by asian invaders. Much like the la raza aim of "kill the White men, rape the White women".
I'm out of love for asians.
With all that I.Q., what have your asian ancestors done? Created a copy of western civilization. How innovative.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]There are a couple mummies from around the Tocharin Basin (sp?) that say we taught your ancestors everything they take credit for inventing independently from Europe, Anime. Bronze, horses, wheel, gunpowder, textiles. [/quote]


All those things were invented by the chinese and used well before Europe did. I can easily whip out a list (and I will once I get back later tonight) with reputable sources. I expect you to do the same.


Let's see you put your money with your mouth is. Eurocentricism is healthy, provided it's grounded in reality. Unfortuantely, it seems in your case...




Item #2: Kennewick man's remains, along with injuns carrying a genetic marker for Europeans pretty much convinces me Whites in N.A.

Kennewick man was not white. Nor was he european. He has caucasoid features, and southeast asian dental subsets. Bear in mind caucasoid does not equal white.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=7078&page=1&


were overrun and subsumed by asian invaders. Much like the la raza aim of "kill the White men, rape the White women".

If you get to compare orientals to american indians, then I get to compare you to Turks and Arabs, fair?

If ignorance is bliss, I should I wipe the smile off of your face.



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Exactly as I expected. When push comes to shove, you stick up for asians. Everyone see the clear problem with dual loyalties? Good.
As for your refutatations, spare me the repeat of 5th grade history. Your "sources' may well back your argument. In large part because history, as it is taught now, is almost wholly WRONG.
If ignorance is bliss, you should be happy to kiss my ass!
Now, go back to your elitist ruminations about "stuff".

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Exactly as I expected. When push comes to shove, you stick up for asians. Everyone see the clear problem with dual loyalties? Good.[/quote]


No, dumbass. I stick up for the truth. Truth is truth, regardless of race or petty idealogy. If you want to mold the truths around your belief system, be my guest, just don't expect anyone with half a grain's worth of sense to validate that crap.

In my everyday life, I probably defend whites more than the average white does. You might say the same for asians, as well.



As for your refutatations, spare me the repeat of 5th grade history. Your "sources' may well back your argument. In large part because history, as it is taught now, is almost wholly WRONG.
If ignorance is bliss, you should be happy to kiss my ass!
Now, go back to your elitist ruminations about "stuff".

Well you see sir, I do believe the moon is made of green cheese. Any "proof" you present saying otherwise is obviously incorrect because history and the NASA program are WRONG, and marxified, to be exact.


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http://sln.fi.edu/inquirer/mummy.html

Four thousand years ago, a community lived in the Tarim Basin -- in what is now the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China -- in the heart of Asia.

The Tarim Basin people thrived there for at least 1,500 years. There are indications that they survived as a culture even into the second century.

Then they disappeared.

Now their remains are being reclaimed from the sands, and the people of that extinct nation are challenging scientists and scholars to fathom who they may have been, and -- if an answer can be found -- where, in prehistory, they came from.

According to sweeping physical evidence, they were not Chinese. They were not even Asian.

They were Caucasian.

For Victor Mair, a specialist in Chinese language and literature at the University of Pennsylvania, the naturally mummified bodies unearthed in the basin's Taklimakan Desert have become a passion.

"The question is whether these people were there for a long, long time, or whether they migrated in from somewhere else," he said.

Where did they come from, and why?

Those questions also possess Dolkun Kamberi, a Uygur archaeologist who grew up in the region and has recovered several of the preserved corpses.

Kamberi grew up hearing folk stories about non-Chinese people who had settled the region in some unrecorded time, and about foreign archaeologists who had found grave sites in the province during the last century.

As a native Uygur, he has medium brown hair and non-Asian features; he believes the Tarim Basin people's history is his history.

Some scholars believe the Tarim Basin people probably migrated through central Eurasia to the land that, centuries later, became known as the southern leg of the famous Silk Route linking East and West.

MORE: Learn more about the Silk Road

But Kamberi believes the Tarim Basin people existed as a tribe in the region from time-before-time; he has discovered a single piece of human skull in the mountains near there that dates back a half-million years, he said.

"We can't say anything about its ethnic background," Kamberi said of the skull fragment."But at least it gives us evidence that 500,000 years ago there were people there."

Learning who the Tarim Basin's inhabitants might have been, he said, is "very important for writing Asian history, and world history. In my opinion, without that region, there would be no Asian history."

For the last two years, Mair has been organizing an international conference on the Tarim Basin people. It will run from Friday through Sunday at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, hosting scholars from Europe, Asia and the United States. The Sunday afternoon session is open to the public.

"I think it's premature to draw hard-and-fast conclusions as to who these people were, and what language they spoke . . . ," Mair said."Why I'm running this conference is to get as many people as I can . . . to come in and lay it all out."

Still, Mair -- who saw the original collection of mummified corpses in 1987, at the region's provincial museum -- will never forget his own haunting first impression of them.

The bodies, recovered from graveyards long overblown with sand, were exceptionally preserved by the dry climate and the salt deposits in which they had been buried.

"I was thunderstruck. . . . I just stood there for a couple of hours. I almost thought it was some kind of hoax," he said."All of their bodies were completely intact. They just looked so alive."

And with features so stunningly non-Asian.

They were clearly the remains of a Caucasoid people, with dark blond or yellowish-brown hair, deep-set eyes, and long limbs.

Among the corpses Mair saw that day were the mummies of a man and woman from a joint grave and an infant that had been buried nearby. All three had been discovered about 10 years earlier, by Kamberi and his colleagues.

MORE: Compare with the Egyptian Mummy of King Ramsses II

"So far, 100 bodies have been excavated . . . ," Kamberi said."I believe that in the next 100 years, the land of Central Asia will become an archaeologist's dream land."

In fact, archaeologists have unearthed at least 1,000 more skeletons in the region, and countless sites remain unexcavated throughout the shifting desert sands, Kamberi said: The provincial government does not have enough money to house and protect all the ancient remains.

In one grave, excavators discovered a saddle cover and a pair of trousers"with human on one leg -- one face had blue eyes," Kamberi said."On the other leg was a horse's body, with a human hat. It's some mystery we can find in the Greek mysteries -- a Greek tale.

"All of them worshiped the sun. . . . We cannot tell if they worshiped the horse," he said."But they buried the horse -- not the whole horse each time, but the skull and a leg." Archaeologists don't know what that ritual symbolized.

The early Tarim Basin people tended sheep and cattle and horses, practiced some form of farming, and wove intricately designed cloth from their sheep's wool. They dyed the woolen strands brilliant colors; they stamped careful patterns on the woolen felt they made by hand.

They used wheels. They erected round houses and culled river reeds for house-thatch.

They may have worshiped the bull as well as the sun.

And they buried their dead with ritual and tenderness. The infant recovered by Kamberi had been buried with a leather "bottle" attached to a sheep's teat. Both the man and woman had been adorned on their faces with ochre symbols that archaeologists believe represented the sun.

In some graves, Mongoloid and Caucasoid bodies were buried side-by-side. Other graves contained petrified rack of lamb -- complete with barbecue skewers. And in clothes materials, Mair said, some weaving techniques appear to be "so Celtic, it's mind-boggling."

"What I'm not going to do is say what I think," Mair said of the three-day conference, which will include ancient-textile specialists and linguists as well as genetic scientists and scholars.

"I consciously sought out people who have differing opinions. I don't want any gospel statements," he said.

That attitude is probably the safest Mair could adopt: The ancient nation of the Tarim Basin is wrapped as much in controversy as it is in mystery.

Writing about the desert excavation in the March issue of National Geographic magazine, Thomas B. Allen describes a Chinese government official pocketing a shard of pottery that contained a thumbprint -- and never mentioning the piece again -- after Allen indicated that an American forensic anthropologist might be able to determine from the print"if the potter was a white man."

In an article Mair wrote for Archaeology magazine last year, he, himself, says: "The new finds are also forcing a reexamination of old Chinese books that describe historical or legendary figures of great height, with deep-set blue or green eyes, long noses, full beards, and red or blond hair. Scholars have traditionally scoffed at these accounts, but it now seems that they may be accurate."

Even the language that the Basin people may have spoken is in dispute. Did it come from Turkic roots -- which is the language of the Uygurs who have occupied the region for centuries -- or from Indo-European roots?

In Archaeology, Mair writes of the mummies: "Judging from their physical appearance, which ranges from Chinese-looking Mongoloids to European- and Afghano-Persian-looking Caucasoids, substantial elements of the original population were absorbed by the Uygurs." As that happened, did the language of the earlier people die?

MORE: Compare with Egyptian Mummies

The nation of 16 million Uygurs, who have lived in the region for 12 centuries, know that their first settlements absorbed an earlier group -- the Tocharians.

The Tocharians spoke a language that was closer to German and Celtic than to less-distant Indo-Europeans.

But beyond that, much of the Uygurs' history has been shrouded in folk tales and legends.

In Chinese, Xinjiang means"new territory." Since the 1950s, about 6 million ethnic Chinese, known as Han, have settled in the Xinjiang Uygur region.

As an archaeologist, Kamberi feels compelled to unearth, literally, some knowledge of his Uygur ancestors -- before the Uygur culture is swallowed up completely by the Han Chinese culture.

Mair became besotted with Asia as a Peace Corps volunteer in the mid-'60s; he has since become an expert in early Chinese vernacular manuscripts, and is editor of the Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature.

He invited Kamberi, who has taught at Columbia University and worked as special consultant to the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, to spend a year at Penn as a visiting scholar, and to help organize the weekend conference.

For both men, the conference is a collaboration driven by a sense of duty -- as well as an opportunity to reach beyond academia-laden seminar debates and establish the world-wide importance of the Tarim Basin excavations.

Mair obtained permission from the Chinese government in 1993 to bring the Italian geneticist Paolo Francalucci with him into the Tarim Basin's archaeological fields.

He speaks carefully about the research there. The Chinese government is scrupulous in overseeing its interests.

But the questions that revolve around the Tarim Basin people are rippling outward, beyond the desert- and-mountain region where they originated, in a widening reach.


cont.

Did these people emigrate to Asia in the cloudy period before the beginnings of what we call history? How far had they wandered? From southern Russia? From the Ukrainian steppes? From Iran? From Turkey? What links did they have to the Europeans so far to the west?

Mair may not propound his own theories in public with a hammer or a drum. But surely, he has theories, and they have been simmering for years.

He became determined to hunt down the Tarim Basin people's history in the early 1990s, after the frozen 4,000-year-old body of a man was found preserved in the Alps on the Austria-Italy border. That well-publicized discovery was just up the mountainside from the Austrian village where his grandfather had been born.

When Mair speaks at the conference on Sunday, he said, he plans to bring with him, for display, three felt caps.

One is from a village in southern China. Another is from his grandfather's Austrian village. The third is from the Tarim Basin.

All three are identical, he said.

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Feb/8188.htm


Well-Preserved Mummies Found in Xinjiang

A team of Chinese archaeologists have recently discovered dozens of remarkably well-preserved mummies scattered about a sand dune on the western edge of Lop Nur, a desolate area in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

"Never before have such a large number of mummies been found in a single graveyard anywhere in the world," said Yang Lian, a research fellow with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences who led the group in early January.

Yang said the exact number of bodies was not determined, as they were buried in layers in what experts believe is an ancient cemetery. Other bodies are lying on top of or partially protruding from the sand, as well as inside semi-deteriorated coffins.

"It is estimated there are well over 100 mummified bodies," he said.

The sand dune where the mummies were found covers 2,400 square meters and rises as high as seven meters. It looks like an isolated island in a sea of sand.

"The mummies lying at the bottom are older than those on the top layer as the sand dune was formed over a long period of time," said Wang Binghua, the foremost researcher of the Xinjiang Institute of Cultural Relics and Archaeology, who had visited the site on a separate expedition.

On the mummified body of a boy about six or seven years old, a plump eyelid is still intact, and his long brown hair still flows down his back. His skin has turned black.

The mummified bodies found in coffins were wrapped in leather and were not treated with any form of embalming, unlike Egyptian mummies, said Xia Xuncheng, a researcher with the Xinjiang Institute of Ecology and Geography, who was on the January trip.

In Egypt, corpses of pharaohs or wealthy men underwent a complicated embalming process. The Lop Nur mummies were preserved naturally in the sandy area, which has annual rainfall of 13 mm and a yearly evaporation rate of up to 4,000 mm, said Xia.

"The discovery of the mummies is of great academic value to the study of social development in unrecorded history," he noted.

Xia, who has studied mummies in China for decades, has made a careful study of a 3,800-year-old female mummy who lived in the ancient civilization of Lou Lan. Based on the sand found in the woman's lungs, experts believe Lop Nur became an arid land some 4,000 years ago.

Archaeologist have theorized that the newly found mummies were Indo-European men, judging from the facial structure and size of the bodies.

The experts believe the bodies were entombed over 4,000 years ago. Further testing will be done to determine the exact period of burial.

The recently found tomb is adjacent to Lou Lan, one of the busiest commercial cities on the ancient Silk Road, and Taiyang (which means "sun") Cemetery, where mummies had been found previously.

"It is amazing that so many ancient bodies were found in such good shape," Wang said, adding that further study of the mummies would aid Chinese scientists' research on ancient Xinjiang and the development of civilization in central Asia.

(People’s Daily 02/26/2001)


http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9901&L=indo-european&D=1&F=&S=&P=2313

The textile expert Elizabeth Wayland Barber has identified the European-appearance mummies found in the Xinjiang desert as Celts from Central Europe, according to a report in yesterday's _Guardian_. I don't know how much of this is new, but the report presented it as a major reassessment in the history of Eastern and Western civilizations, so here goes. In her book _The Mummies of Urumchi_, to be published next month, she says that their woollen plaids could only have been woven on warp-weighted looms, which orginated in "Europe via the Middle East" (whatever that means: Europe first then ME?). They date from about 1000 BCE, in an inhospitable region never settled by steppe nomads. There was no mention in this article of Tocharian.

I chose Muslims are despicable, but they might be useful allies.

This was a pretty easy choice for me, they are despicable, primative, vile, disgusting. They have very little problem with cutting throats and engaging in ritual decapitations. Bloodthirsty is a pretty good description.

More importantly, they have been used very wisely by Jewry to assualt Christian nations throughout history.

We may be able to use these beasts against the Jews.

So there it is, Muslims are wild, unorganised beasts and when properly controlled, can be deadly.

[QUOTE=Rounder] You could say that for every single non-White ethnic group on the whole freakin planet. What the hell's the matter with you?
Break out the cattle cars? Who? Anonymous net-nazi computer commandos, like you? [/QUOTE]
May I remind you that you too are also behind a computer
[QUOTE=Rounder]
Unless the jews are defeated, it'll be us inside the cattle cars. And the Arabs/Muslims are the only gentiles in the world, fighting the jews, which prevents our asses from going into those cattle cars.
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Arabs, sure. But, the Turks are allies with Israel and are busy fighting Europeans for their land and wealth. Organized World Chizzelwry has sent them here to distract us from the real issue which you mention. If Arabs/Muslims are serious about their fight against the Zionists, they belong there on the front and not here polluting our race and diluting our votes. Did you question for a moment that they weren't voting for the ZOG parties here?The 1st step is to load all that filth into the cattle cars including all Soviet mongrel- and pretend Jews, so that the Chizzelwrers know we mean business. With them out of the way, we can work on ridding our society of the White collaborators who made it all possible
[QUOTE=Rounder]
Obviously, your world view is little different from the flag-waving, soccermoms and idiot rednecks with bumper stickers saying "Nuke their ass and take their gas". All cheering for the defeat of the enemies of the jews, while the jews enslave and destroy their people all over the world. [/QUOTE]
My world view is obviously different, because I live where we're overrun by that overconfident and demanding filth who invaded peacefully. The Balkans were occupied by them for 500 years because the Whites there were busy fighting amongst themselves. It eventually took the Russians to drive them out. I doubt that post-War Germans were taught this in history class

[QUOTE=Rounder]I see absolutely nothing in your post that in any way detracts from the fact that the jews are, by far, our number 1 enemies. If it wasn't for the jews, there wouldn't be any Arabs or Muslims in your country. And when the jews are defeated, ....[/QUOTE]
By that time, Whites will be a minority here. If it's easier to remove non-Whites from our nations 1st, why hesitate on this point?

They used wheels. They erected round houses and culled river reeds for house-thatch.

The Tarim Basin people thrived there for at least 1,500 years. There are indications that they survived as a culture even into the second century.

The problem is, that using is not synoymous with having invented. All the major chinese invention such as horse collars, paper, multi-staged rockets, can be traced back to specific instances and individuals to their existence.


For example, Cai~Lun, in the Han Dynasty, invented paper.


In other words, the Tarim Basin had nothing to do with this.


http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Feb/8188.htm

This really doesn't have much to do with anything.


http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cg...=1&F=&S=&P=2313


What this article is saying is that the clothing found was from central europe on mummies in central asia. She is not saying europeans invented Silk (which would have been possible).

This is an aggregation showing that caucasoid people lived in some parts of asia, something which I agree happened. The problem is, for better or for worse, with the exception of the textile mistress, there's no distinction made between caucasoids. Does it suit ones to be identified as caucasoid (a higher group) when it is favorable?

This is important:



She states that there is no archaeological indication that the Tarim basin had permanent settlement prior to 2,000 B.C.E....



That is from your source. Also...



In the end, their "working hypothesis" is that the earliest Bronze Age colonists of the Tarim Basin were people of Caucasoid physical type who entered probably from the north and west, and probably spoke languages that could be classified as Pre- or Proto-Tocharian, ancestral to the Indo-European Tocharian languages documented later in the Tarim Basin. These early settlers occupied the northern and eastern parts of the Tarim Basin, where their graves have yielded mummies dated about 1800 B.C. They did not arrive from Europe, but probably had lived earlier near the Altai Mountains, where their ancestors had participated in a cultural world centered on the eastern steppes of central Eurasia.


So now non white caucasians are suddenly white? If you're going to exlude arabs and turks from your definition of white, then why suddenly embrace caucasoid, which they both are?


What we are arguing here is not whether caucasoid people lived in some parts of asia. There's not much debate about that. I think you were attacking an argument I wasn't making. Hell, if I lived in the US while some Mexican in california invents the super bean burrito, do I get credit, as well?



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]The problem is, that using is not synoymous with having invented. All the major chinese invention such as horse collars, paper, multi-staged rockets, can be traced back to specific instances and individuals to their existence. [/QUOTE]

You sophomoric clown. What you know about science or life in general couldn't fill a thimble. I shall enlighten yoo!

Science is not merely technology. A society does not have science simply because it can build sailing ships, smelt iron, or fashion porcelain dishes or fashion a "horse collar". Science is a method used to formulate systematic explanations of nature, always subject to future modification and correction. The technical innovations of prehistory, of Islam, of Imperial China, do not constitute science!!! Even when they were built on careful empirical observation, they mostly lacked the explanations and accurate theorizing that distinguish science.

It is the consensus among contemporary historians, philosophers, and sociologists of science that real science arose only once: in Europe. It is instructive that China, Islam, India, all had a highly developed alchemy. But only in Europe did alchemy develop into chemistry. By the same token, many societies developed elaborate systems of astrology, but only in Europe did astrology lead to astronomy.

The Medieval period, was one of the great inventive eras of mankind, as machinery was developed and put into use on a scale no civilization had previously known. Within just the last generation there has come a flood of books establishing that long before the end of the Middle Ages, before any “Renaissance,” “Enlightenment,” or “Scientific Revolution,” Europe’s technology advanced far beyond anything achieved by the ancients: effective waterwheels, mills, camshafts, mechanical clocks, the compass, and so on.

Not all of these were original inventions as you have pointed out, slope! Consider gunpowder. The Chinese were the first to use an explosive powder, but it is a misnomer to call it gunpowder since the Chinese did not develop guns, limiting its use to fireworks. Or "multi-staged rockets" as you call them. When knowledge of this Chinese explosive arrived in Europe, probably during the first decade of the fourteenth century, the application to gunnery was immediate--cannon probably were first used in battle during a seige of Metz in 1324. What is certain is that by 1325 cannon existed across all of Western Europe. Meanwhile, the gooks were still lighting off fireworks!

The rapid adoption of the compass is another compelling example. The claim that the magnetic compass reached Europe from China through Islam is false. Apparently, it was invented independently in both China and Europe around the eleventh century. The Chinese were satisfied with a very crude compass involving a magnetized needle floating in a liquid which enabled them to determine the North-South axis, which the Chinese gooks thought was "magic". In contrast, soon after discovering the floating needle compass, medieval Europeans added the compass card and then the sight which allowed mariners not only to know which way was North, but to set accurate courses in any direction. It spread among sailors from Italy to Norway in only a few years. The Chinese failed to develop actual science, ya dumbshit!

Similarly, although in full possession of the whole corpus of Greco-Roman scholarship, and having made some impressive advances in mathematics, Islamic scholars did not become scientists. Once they mastered the classic texts, Muslim scholars added little or nothing of their own.

Science consists of an organized effort to explain natural phenomena. Why did this effort take root in Europe and nowhere else? Can you spell, W-h-i-t-e M-a-n? White men developed science because they believed it could--and should--be done. White men reason their way to knowledge step-by-step, using principles of logic. This is the methodology of science, boy!

What we see on TV is an all out attempt to bamboozle marginal White brains into believing that some batch of muddies developed this, or that, first, thus minimizing the actual fact that White people are in a league all by themselves. The Germans, if left unmolested, would have probably landed a man on the moon in the late 1950's.The Chinese gooks, still ain't there!

With their technology, and their scientists, the Americans did it about 10 years later. This alone, whether American or German, should have announced clearly, and absolutely, without question, which species of Hominidae was superior. (Eskimo Bob, Bantu Willie and Long Duck Dong do not belong to the same species, in my book.) The moon landings, in this regard, went unnoticed and the only explanation I can offer is that Americans have collectively lost their ability to deal any longer with reality. A good portion of this loss of ability lies with our compulsory system of education which trains people not to think, you being a perfect example!

The money available for research into the discovery of the ancient Caucasian burial sites in China is very limited. The money available for "proving" that Black folks built the pyramids, discovered the North Pole, and invented helicopters, is huge, just as it is for sponsoring minority figure skaters, swimmers and gymnasts. There is absolutely no area where the White man isn't being screwed and no bit of propaganda which leaves him untarnished.

One must realize that the present global political climate is one where all White achievements are diminished in the record and all non-White achievements -- some of them non-existent altogether -- are magnified out of proportion. There is evidence mounting that even the so-called Asian civilization of China originated with the White men from Europe. (Indisputable White remains have been found in our Northwest which predate Amerasian settlements.)
http://www.geocities.com/gcalla1/clovis.htm

http://www.runestone.org/kmlc.html


White civilizations are always characterized by a continuing change and, as it now appears, any other civilizations which exhibit change, more than likely, have been influenced by White people. Without White presence, all societies either remain stagnant, or collapse.

You straightened out, boy?

Good one, Steve, you blew the lil gook's doors off. You often come up with a clincher of a post, this one was a tight, cogent, and (ahem) sober summary.

There is evidence that the free-ranging pest has been banished for a bit.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=142104#post142104
We all know that he loves White racists with such a passion that he will return. What would we do without his tireless snide sniping at Whites and his persistent efforts to deflect criticism from the Jew?

Good one, Steve, you blew the lil gook's doors off. You often come up with a clincher of a post, this one was a tight, cogent, and (ahem) sober summary

He cut and pasted an article from the American Enterprise Insitute and passed it off as his own. White originality, eh?


Moreover he edited out the article to add his own nuances, and removed the reference quoting of other writers! The original is...


The Medieval period, says Gimpel, was "one of the great inventive eras of mankind" as machinery was developed and put into use "on a scale no civilization had previously known."


Compare to above. Looks like something has been conviently edited, eh? Trying to pass off others' writings as your own? There's ton's more...adding exclamation, "gook", and other scribblings to make this chickenscratch look original.




Of course, the thesis of the article is that christianity is science, but he conviently left out those tidbits as well. I'll address this unacademic article in my next post.




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[QUOTE=Steve B] The technical innovations of prehistory, of Islam, of Imperial China, do not constitute science!!! Even when they were built on careful empirical observation, they mostly lacked the explanations and accurate theorizing that distinguish science.[/quote]

Science is the basis of explanation based on empirical observation. In other words, my plaigerizing friend, it indeed was science. How you can say using the laws of science "is not science" is beyond me. Well, technically, you're not saying anything... (cough)

And moreover, are you even aware (probably not, this isn't even your own article) that medieval science was hardly "advanced"? Do you recall "bleeding"?


It is the consensus among contemporary historians, philosophers, and sociologists of science that real science arose only once: in Europe. It is instructive that China, Islam, India, all had a highly developed alchemy. But only in Europe did alchemy develop into chemistry. By the same token, many societies developed elaborate systems of astrology, but only in Europe did astrology lead to astronomy.

What is this consensus? The author is using hyperbole with substantial proof. No scholar would validate this nonsense.




The Medieval period, was one of the great inventive eras of mankind, as machinery was developed and put into use on a scale no civilization had previously known. Within just the last generation there has come a flood of books establishing that long before the end of the Middle Ages, before any “Renaissance,” “Enlightenment,” or “Scientific Revolution,” Europe’s technology advanced far beyond anything achieved by the ancients: effective waterwheels, mills, camshafts, mechanical clocks, the compass, and so on.

China had these first.


Not all of these were original inventions as you have pointed out, slope! Consider gunpowder. The Chinese were the first to use an explosive powder, but it is a misnomer to call it gunpowder since the Chinese did not develop guns, limiting its use to fireworks. Or "multi-staged rockets" as you call them. When knowledge of this Chinese explosive arrived in Europe, probably during the first decade of the fourteenth century, the application to gunnery was immediate--cannon probably were first used in battle during a seige of Metz in 1324. What is certain is that by 1325 cannon existed across all of Western Europe. Meanwhile, the gooks were still lighting off fireworks!


Once again, incorrect you plaigerizing fool.


Encyclopedia entry:


By the 10th century, gunpowder began to be used for military purposes in China in the form of rockets and explosive bombs fired from catapults. The first reference to cannon appears in 1126 when oil bamboo tubes were used to launch missiles at the enemy. Eventually bamboo tubes were replaced by metal tubes, and the oldest cannon in China dates from 1290. From China, the military use of gunpower appears to have spread to Japan and Europe. It was used by the Mongols against the Hungarians in 1241 and was mentioned by Roger Bacon in 1248. By the mid 14th century, early cannons are mentioned extensively both in Europe and in China.

In China as in Europe, the use of gunpowder to produce firearms and cannon was delayed by difficulties in creating metal tubes that would contain an explosion. This problem may have led to the false myth that the Chinese used their discovery only for the manufacture of fireworks. In fact, gunpowder powered cannon and rockets were extensively used in the Mongol conquests of the 13th century and were a feature of East Asian warfare afterwards.





The rapid adoption of the compass is another compelling example. The claim that the magnetic compass reached Europe from China through Islam is false. Apparently, it was invented independently in both China and Europe around the eleventh century. The Chinese were satisfied with a very crude compass involving a magnetized needle floating in a liquid which enabled them to determine the North-South axis, which the Chinese gooks thought was "magic". In contrast, soon after discovering the floating needle compass, medieval Europeans added the compass card and then the sight which allowed mariners not only to know which way was North, but to set accurate courses in any direction. It spread among sailors from Italy to Norway in only a few years. The Chinese failed to develop actual science, ya dumbshit!


The Vikings invented the first practical magnetic compass and used it extensively in their travels to colonize or in war. This enabled them to cross oceans to reach the new world and to invade England at will, even in the dense fog. The Vikings kept the existence of the magnetic compass a secret. The Chinese also invented the magnetic compass, probably earlier than the Vikings. After commercial trade with China was started by the Italians, especially after Marco Polo's trip, the magnetic compass was introduced to the rest of Europe....



Similarly, although in full possession of the whole corpus of Greco-Roman scholarship, and having made some impressive advances in mathematics, Islamic scholars did not become scientists. Once they mastered the classic texts, Muslim scholars added little or nothing of their own.


You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You could linked the AEI article if you wanted me to read it.



Science consists of an organized effort to explain natural phenomena. Why did this effort take root in Europe and nowhere else? Can you spell, W-h-i-t-e M-a-n? White men developed science because they believed it could--and should--be done. White men reason their way to knowledge step-by-step, using principles of logic. This is the methodology of science, boy!


That is a recent development. Medieval europe did not use this methodology.



There is evidence mounting that even the so-called Asian civilization of China originated with the White men from Europe. (Indisputable White remains have been found in our Northwest which predate Amerasian settlements.)

Kennewick man wasn't white you imbecile (or even caucasian fully). How you ridicule the Jews, arabs, and turks! But of course, you embrace the term caucasoid. You do know the difference, right?


Now come on Steve, you want to try to write something original? Don't talk about something unless you have the foggiest. I'll waiting again for your next plaigerized response.



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Without Whitey,the most the yellows can do is to perpetuate a copying process as is most likely the case in regard to the Aztecs, Incas and so on.


We've been hearing more gas about the wonders of the Chinese invention of gunpowder. If they were so great at this stuff, then how come they never, ever improved upon that mixture. How come the wonderful design of their rockets has never been altered over the centuries? It took a white man to notice that the wild trajectory of the Chinese rocket could be vastly stabilized by the simple expedient of fastening its guide pole in the middle! Moreover, it only took the white European 5 years to immensely improve upon the manufacture of gunpowder. The history of the gun should be obvious of the astonishment over how whitey ALWAYS IMPROVES upon everything. All progress is in proportion to the white contribution

Some Arabs are now claiming that algebra was their invention and the Europeans stole it from them. The Ahmes Papyrus (ancient Egypt) contains several arithmetic and geometric progressions and several algebra problems. Algebra was was well established in the mostly blond Greece of 380 B.C. and Plato's writings contained many references to popular algebraic word problems. Diophantus of Alexandria brought together the whole body of Greek knowledge in a work called the Arithmetica. After about 1 century, algebra found its way into India where one or two contributions were made. About 200 years after that, algebra received it present name from the Arab word al-jabr. The Arabs received their knowledge of Greek mathematics from Christians living in Asia Minor. True, Arabs did contribute some innovations and the adoption of their name for the subject DOES NOT MEAN THEY ORIGINATED this discipline, and even if that were true, what have they done with it since? Mathematics in general flourished once the Germans, French and Italians got their hands on it. SCIENCE IS WESTERN and western means white. The European Renaissance was during a period of minimal jewish influence.


Consider the room you are now in. That TV, the radio, the computer, the light bulb, was invented by real Americans and real Europeans. The sciences, the books you read, -in fact, everything of value in our civilization, is a product of White minds.

[QUOTE=El Duce]Without Whitey,the most the yellows can do is to perpetuate a copying process as is most likely the case in regard to the Aztecs, Incas and so on[/quote]

What did the Amerinds contribute? Not much.



We've been hearing more gas about the wonders of the Chinese invention of gunpowder. If they were so great at this stuff, then how come they never, ever improved upon that mixture.

They did, read my above post. They used cannons, as well.



How come the wonderful design of their rockets has never been altered over the centuries?

Europeans didn't even use rockets.



The history of the gun should be obvious of the astonishment over how whitey ALWAYS IMPROVES upon everything. All progress is in proportion to the white contribution

Do tell, explain the Dark Ages? You viewing history only in terms of race is idiotic. The world is a complex place.


. Algebra was was well established in the mostly blond Greece of 380 B.C. and Plato's writings contained many references to popular algebraic word problems.

This is where you credibility falls down the drain? Blonde greece? Greeks were not Nordics, and even Arthur Kemp says this. Keep talking out of your ass.


But since you seem to hold blondes in such high esteem, how was Rome the bastion of european power, while the "blonde" nordics were out banging on the gates with clubs? Oh wait, were Italians nordic, too?


Once again, life is a complex thing. Cut the dichotomic thinking.




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I think it's good they are attacking Israel but the problem is they are attacking America too. They seem to have a fetish for killing white people too. When you watch the beheading videos it's almost always white people. Now they have TWO white women they are about to behead and some Arab/Negro looking beast.

[QUOTE=Heinrich Himmler SS]I think it's good they are attacking Israel but the problem is they are attacking America too. They seem to have a fetish for killing white people too. When you watch the beheading videos it's almost always white people. Now they have TWO white women they are about to behead and some Arab/Negro looking beast.[/QUOTE]


The whole idea of this pole was very difficult. Yes, they do hate us and they do attack us, and that is something that we can not afford to overlook. Yet they are fighting the jew, and us mostly because of our mindless love and protection of the Jews, who are the real terrorists most of the time.

As for the beheadings, do we really know, for a fact, just who is doing this?

http://www.faem.com/adlib/2000/3races.jpg One giant step for mankind? [Tell me exactly what each race contributed to manned space flight.

[QUOTE=El Duce] One giant step for mankind? [Tell me exactly what each race contributed to manned space flight.[/QUOTE]
Certainly neither the Spacecricket nor the Coolie

[QUOTE=Rounder]
The emphasis is on "THE MOST IMPORTANT".

Now, A.E., put your kike-like spin on that.[/quote]

You don't know a damn thing about genetics. Under the right conditions, it seems the propensity for prosperity is favored to countries with higher IQs. Can you possible grasp the concept history is dynamic? History is not racially formulaic, no matter how much you want it to be.




A.E. will avoid this, just like he/she avoided discussing the obvious physical characteristics of Mongoloids which I listed in previous post.

Physical characteristics have what to do with anything, fatass?



A.E. does provide us with incentive for fessing up to the fact that Nordics are the best (most intelligent) among us, generally speaking. He/She points to IQ comparisons between Whites and Asians, which gives Asians higher IQs. The compilations of those scores must be viewed with suspicions, BTW.

Of course they must be viewed with suspicison, they don't fall into your bloated political agenda.


My point is this: If you randomly selected 5,000 blue-eyed, blondes off the streets, and 5,000 other Whites, then gave all 10,000 the exact same IQ test, the inevitable results would be that the blue-eyed blondes would score at least 10 points higher (and probably even more).

Cite your source for this idiotic claim. Put up or shut up. Why is Italy's average IQ 102, while Denmark's is 98?

Hong Kong: 107
South Korea: 106
Japan: 105
China: 101
Singapore: 100
Vietnam: 97


Germany: 102
Italy: 102
Spain: 99
Denmark: 98
Finland: 97
Russia:: 96
Ireland: 93


I'll point out Vietnam is a 3rd world country with large cultural differences. Economic and poverty can contrast for a few points of standard deviation.

So what's this Nordic superiority you keep espousing? You do know that anglo-saxons aren't phenotypically Nordic, and neither are the majority of Germans? Just admit you don't know anything when it comes to psychology or intelligence.




Some of my ancestors down breeded. But since I am a fanatic about recognizing and telling the absolute truth about Race, and have worked for over 30 years to free our people from the Jews so that we can all begin the process of systematic UP-BREEDING our Race, I want VNN'ers to do the same.

Your glaring ignorance about evolution knows no bounds. You're worse than Norcal in your looking down upon Southern Europeans. Nordicist bile.



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[QUOTE=torcher88]

For WNs in 2004, what is the proper attitude towards Islam?[/QUOTE]

Cleanse them from the earth with nuclear fire, even the white ones in Places like Albania.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]He cut and pasted an article from the American Enterprise Insitute and passed it off as his own. White originality, eh?


Moreover he edited out the article to add his own nuances, and removed the reference quoting of other writers! The original is...


The Medieval period, says Gimpel, was "one of the great inventive eras of mankind" as machinery was developed and put into use "on a scale no civilization had previously known."


Compare to above. Looks like something has been conviently edited, eh? Trying to pass off others' writings as your own? There's ton's more...adding exclamation, "gook", and other scribblings to make this chickenscratch look original.




Of course, the thesis of the article is that christianity is science, but he conviently left out those tidbits as well. I'll address this unacademic article in my next post.




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Awww, whats the matter, little gooklet? Did my omission of the quote function anger you? I'm so solly! Perhaps if I use my "own" words you will be much more able to refute them instead of jewy way you have of chastizing the messenger instead of the message. So lets get to it, dink!

How is it that Chinese slopes, those marvelous inventers of "3 stage rocket fireworks", have never put a man on the moon? Nor even sent a up a deep space probe? Nor even launched a satellite until 1970? By the way the "China 1" is almost an exact copy of the US Telstar which was launched nearly 10 years earlier, boy!
http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/China12/China12.htm

How is it that Chinese rice eaters, those marvelous inventers of "3 stage rocket fireworks", have only just recently put a "man"(I use the term loosely) into Earth orbit when White Americans and Russians did it 40 years ago?
http://www.spacedaily.com/2003/031015025140.2zzgs9dn.html

How is it that you high IQ Chinese choo choo's have to steal American technology or buy it from Israel who steals it from us? Can't you puke "3 stage rocket fireworks inventors" develop ballistic missile programs on your own?
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36e685d61557.htm
http://rightminds.8m.com/archives/china_steals_neutron_bomb_08_apr_99.html

How is it that you Chinese coolies are beating down the doors to get into western(read White) Universities and not the other way around? You would think that you high IQ rice eaters would be more than happy to study at Peking Duck U. Or might there be something sinister involved?
"Many" of the 40,000+ Chinese students attending U.S. schools "have been tasked to collect information by the Chinese government." "The FBI has stated that virtually all Chinese allowed to leave" China for the U.S. are given some sort of collection requirement to fulfill."
http://www.justfacts.com/china_military.html


Why do you "superior" dog-Munchers cheat on your tests?
"80% of of the graduate students from China currently in the U.S. attended test preparation schools which are now being sued by the ETS. There has been problems with the disclosure of test questions currently in use and numerous others. These have been ongoing problems since at least 1996. Annually 55,000 chinese students take the GRE of the 400,000 total. Chinese scores in the verbal section jumped 14% in one year (ETS attributes this to cheating). Additionally, forged transcripts false diplomas and rewritten letters of reference are an industry in China."
http://www.aher.org/soaf_quick.php

"All 7.2 million applicants have been asked to sign a pledge promising not to cheat in the exams, according to the state-run China Daily newspaper"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3786305.stm

You straighted out now, boy? Or perhaps you would like to talk about it in person...chickenshit!

[QUOTE=Steve B]Awww, whats the matter, little gooklet? Did my omission of the quote function anger you? I'm so solly! Perhaps if I use my "own" words you will be much more able to refute them instead of jewy way you have of chastizing the messenger instead of the message. So lets get to it, dink![/quote]

No dumbass, you plaigerized, there's a difference. You edited the original post for your own nuaces.



How is it that Chinese slopes, those marvelous inventers of "3 stage rocket fireworks", have never put a man on the moon? Nor even sent a up a deep space probe? Nor even launched a satellite until 1970? By the way the "China 1" is almost an exact copy of the US Telstar which was launched nearly 10 years earlier, boy!

Easy, communism and the Manchurian strife era. You want to compare the last 300 years versus the last 2000 years? Guess who wins?


You straighted out now, boy? Or perhaps you would like to talk about it in person...chickenshit!


You haven't refuted anything I've said, steve. You pissed I saw through your cut and paste charade?


Go back to my initial response and discuss my rebuttal.


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[QUOTE=Rounder]
Those IQ figures posted by our resident Mongoloid, reminds me of crime figures posted by the jews' media. Both are absurd. Neither ZOG nor the jews' media ever publicizes anything favorable to the White Race, but frequently fabricates/manipulates statistics that conveniently for the jews and muds, comes out negative/unfavorable to us.[/quote]

Ha! Utter irony! You claim "truth" is on your side, yet your mold the truth to fit your contortionist ideology.


Now here's your job: Prove to me that Rushton, Lynn's, and Murray's data are inaccurate.

You can't. Anything that doesn't fit into your narrow mindset gets chucked out the windows, regardless of validity.



The reason is simple. Self-interests !!! It's in the self interests of the jews to hold us down. And in A.E.'s self-interests, as well. Which places A.E. in the camp of our jew enemies. And by siding with the jews, A.E. is unwittingly working against all gentiles, including so-called Eurasian gentiles, as well. Half-breeds can never rise above their own ethnic self-interests, which includes working enthusiastically to promote race-mixing so that there will be more and more "human bipeds" who look like him/her, thusly improving his/her sense of physical and economic security.

How have I sided with Jews? You think the media wants people to know asians have the highest IQs? Of course not. I'd suggest you follow academic discourse more closely.


Truths and realities has that effect on the muds and half-breeds. They hate truth as much as the kikes.


Rounda, you are the epitome of ignorance.

You have a healthy disregard for the truth, and your contort reality to fit your slanted outlook. Are you so enraged that I debunked your "nordic superiority myth" in regards versus dark haired europeans?

Or even asians. Ha!



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]No dumbass, you plaigerized, there's a difference. You edited the original post for your own nuaces....[/QUOTE]

Hey college boy! The word is spelled, "plagiarized" not plaigerized, dummy!




[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Easy, communism and the Manchurian strife era. You want to compare the last 300 years versus the last 2000 years? Guess who wins?...[/QUOTE]

Thats the same type of excuse niggers use. White racism be keepen me down! If'n it wasn't fo dat I be a king. With gooks it's "communism and the Manchurian strife". All in all, just another excuse for being a loser, boy!



[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You haven't refuted anything I've said, steve. You pissed I saw through your cut and paste charade?


Go back to my initial response and discuss my rebuttal.[/QUOTE]

Answers my question, punk. Why no gook space program, why the massive cheating on college tests? Why the non-stop spying to obtain US tec and military secrets? If you people are such high IQ brainiacs...then such actions would not be necessary would they, boy?

Confucius say -

"Whites create,
Yerrows copy,
Bracks do neither."

p.s. - Ah-so!

Steve B

Oops, so I made a typo. Did dictionary.com help you with your infernal smiting?


Now once again, you've changed the topic you bumbling oaf. Respond to my rebuttal.

As for your red herring involving space flight: easy. There was not an environment condusive to development of advanced technology. All human achievements have to be taken in context of their time.


Why do you think Europe always lagged behind the Chinese for over 2000 years? Let's hear your excuse for that, boy!


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[QUOTE=Rounder]
I have brown hair and brown eyes, and obviously no wheres near being a Nordic myself. Some of my ancestors down breeded. But since I am a fanatic about recognizing and telling the absolute truth about Race, and have worked for over 30 years to free our people from the Jews so that we can all begin the process of systematic UP-BREEDING our Race, I want VNN'ers to do the same.

Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]

I have this whole Ash colored hair thing going you know! I'm thinking about adding some light blond highlights or streaks. Now my eyes. Oh gawd where do I thtart. You know they're like green, with this wierd orange funky color in the middle. I think I'll get those lavender colored contacts so I can have eyes like Liz Taylor! She was just gorgeous as a girl wasn't she. I mean before all the booze and pills and whoring. My gawd she had more ass than a toilet seat! I can't talk anymore guys; I have to burn a copy of my Barbara Streisand anthology for my car.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Oops, so I made a typo. Did dictionary.com help you with your infernal smiting?


Now once again, you've changed the topic you bumbling oaf. Respond to my rebuttal.

As for your red herring involving space flight: easy. There was not an environment condusive to development of advanced technology. All human achievements have to be taken in context of their time.


Why do you think Europe always lagged behind the Chinese for over 2000 years? Let's hear your excuse for that, boy!


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What the fuck are you babbling about, boy. White history doesn't just include Europe, punk!

Care to read about ancient Rome 800 BC - 200 AD http://www.exovedate.com/ancient_timeline_one.html

How about, Alexander the Great - 356-323 BC
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564408/Alexander_the_Great.html

Lets go back a little further, shall we slope! Ever hear of Ramses The Great? You know that red-headed Pharoah who lived about 3,700 years ago!
http://www.fruitofthenile.com/ramses.htm

Why do I even debate with this dummy? As if Chinese rice eaters can compete with my ancestors!

Anima, would you summarize your position for the forum? Are you asserting that oriental/asian/chinese/eastern culture is superior to White/euro/western culture? Was superior? All races are equal, it's all relative? What point are you so ardently trying to make? If the above, why here? Just to be a contrarian?
Please explain your goal here.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Oops, so I made a typo. Did dictionary.com help you with your infernal smiting?
Why do you think Europe always lagged behind the Chinese for over 2000 years? Let's hear your excuse for that, boy!


...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve B]

Care to read about ancient Rome 800 BC - 200 AD

How about, Alexander the Great - 356-323 BC
[/quote]

Greeks and Romans? Terrible southern Europeans!


And China was still ahead of Europe during those times. Sorry to burst your bubble.


Lets go back a little further, shall we slope! Ever hear of Ramses The Great? You know that red-headed Pharoah who lived about 3,700 years ago!

Heh, joining the ranks of the Afrocentric? The ancient egyptians were not white, though they were caucasoid.



Why do I even debate with this dummy? As if Chinese rice eaters can compete with my ancestors!

Ah, so this is how cretins such as yourself validate your miserable experience. My ancestors! Right. Of course, that's what they say those with none of their own to claim use to justify their own existence.

The sad reality is that while most of Europe was coddled in disease ridden huts, the Chinese were hundreds of years ahead.


http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm



The Whites who explored China were just as racist as those who explored Africa, but their descriptions were different from what they and the Arabs had written about Africans. In 1275 Marco Polo arrived in China from his native Italy to open trade with the Mongol Empire. He found that the Chinese had well built roads, bridges, cities connected by canals, census takers, markets, standardized weights and measures, and not only coins, but paper money as well. Even a postal system was in existence. All of these made him marvel when he compared the Chinese to what he saw in Europe and the Middle East. Even though he was an Italian, proud of his people and well aware of the greatness of Ancient Rome, Marco Polo wrote: "Surely there is no more intelligentrace on earth than the Chinese."

Historical research bears out Marco Polo's impressions. As early as 360 B.C., the Chinese used the cross bow and changed the face of warfare. Around 200-100 B.C., the Chinese used written exams to choose people for the civil service, two thousand years before Britain. The Chinese used printing about 800 A.D., some 600 years before Europe saw Gutenberg's first Bible. Paper money was used in China in 1300, but not in Europe until the 19th and 20th centuries. By 1050 Chinese chemists had made gunpowder, hand grenades, fire arrows, and rockets of oil and poison gas. By 1100, factories in China with 40,000 workers were making rockets. Flame throwers, guns, and cannons were used in China by the 13th century, about 100 years before Europe.

The Chinese used the magnetic compass as early as the 1st century. It is not found in European records until 1190. In 1422, seventy years before Columbus's three small ships crossed the Atlantic, the Chinese reached the east coast of Africa. They came in a great fleet of 65 ocean going ships filled with 27,000 soldiers and their horses, and a year's supply of grain, meat, and wine. With their gunpowder weapons, navigation, accurate maps and magnetic compasses, the Chinese could easily have gone around the tip of Africa and "discovered" Europe!

In the last five centuries, the European nations leapfrogged over the Chinese in science and technology. Since 1950, however, Japan has beaten the West in the production of many high-tech products. Other Pacific Rim countries (China, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea) now follow Japan's path. Africa, on the other hand, has fallen further behind. The poor conditions of African countries and Black America have become a concern to many. Much of the optimism of the U.S. Civil Rights movement of the 1960s is gone, along with the high hopes for independent African nations. Trillions of dollars of foreign aid have poured into Africa. Yet African economies have declined since the Europeans left.





Let's see you spin this one, steve.

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[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]I have this whole Ash colored hair thing going you know! I'm thinking about adding some light blond highlights or streaks. Now my eyes. Oh gawd where do I thtart. You know they're like green, with this wierd orange funky color in the middle. I think I'll get those lavender colored contacts so I can have eyes like Liz Taylor! She was just gorgeous as a girl wasn't she. I mean before all the booze and pills and whoring. My gawd she had more ass than a toilet seat! I can't talk anymore guys; I have to burn a copy of my Barbara Streisand anthology for my car.[/QUOTE]
Heeeeyyy!!! WTFU??? Talk like dat makes me noivous - :mad:

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Greeks and Romans? Terrible southern Europeans!
[/QUOTE]

Must be some sort of inside joke, I don't understand.... :confused: [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]And China was still ahead of Europe during those times. Sorry to burst your bubble...[/QUOTE]

Sorry to burst your bubble, AE. But people who supposedly did great things in antiquity but are unable to repeat them in modern times is nothing more than ethnocentric fantasy, along the same lines as "Africans built the pyramids" but Whitey keeps them from repeating same.



[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Heh, joining the ranks of the Afrocentric? The ancient egyptians were not white, though they were caucasoid.[/QUOTE]

Afrocentric? Are you trying to be clever and show me the "superior Asian" ability at quick-wittedness? Perhaps you can name a race of people on the planet that have red hair, other than whites?




[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Ah, so this is how cretins such as yourself validate your miserable experience. My ancestors! Right. Of course, that's what they say those with none of their own to claim use to justify their own existence.[/QUOTE]

Ah, the jew reveals himself! Whites who are proud of there ancestry are "cretins who validate there miserable experience". "Asians" on the other hand, who trumpet the "miracles" of Chinese history are merely just bringers of light to the evil racists!


[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]The sad reality is that while most of Europe was coddled in disease ridden huts, the Chinese were hundreds of years ahead.


http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm

Let's see you spin this one, steve.

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Thats easy, punk! Kublai Khan WAS NOT CHINESE! He was a mongul, dipshit! What was Rushton thinking!!!!

"Marco soon became involved in a naval conflict between Venice and its commercial rival Genoa. In 1298 he fell captive, along with 7000 of his compatriots, when the Genoese navy defeated a Venetian fleet in which Marco was an honorary commander. During his year of imprisonment he passed the time by telling stories. His tales attracted the attention of a romance writer from Pisa named Rustichello, who had written two popular romances about King Arthur. Rustichello recognized Marco’s stories as fascinating material. He prepared an account of Marco’s travels in a literary dialect of French, the most commonly used language for works of adventure and romance.

Rustichello frequently embellished Marco’s story. For instance, his description of the Polos’ arrival at Kublai Khan’s court strongly resembles a scene in one of his Arthurian romances, and his description of battles also followed formulas that he had used in earlier works. Nevertheless, the book was extremely popular, and translations soon became available in Latin, Italian, Venetian dialect, English, and other languages. The English translation of the original title of the book was The Description of the World. Later editions and translations of Marco’s travel account have appeared under several different titles, including Il milione, The Book of Marvels, The Book of Marco Polo, and The Travels of Marco Polo. After his release from prison Marco returned to Venice, where he died in 1324.

In the 20th century some scholars have raised questions about the accuracy of Marco Polo’s account. Some have even suggested that he did not actually travel to China but rather told stories that he heard from others who did go there. Doubts have arisen largely from the fact that Marco’s work does not mention several distinctive characteristics of Chinese society. Such omissions include the use of chopsticks as eating utensils; the drinking of tea; the use in written language of ideograms—that is, characters representing things or ideas without expressing pronunciation; the binding of girls’ feet to prevent normal growth (tiny feet were considered to enhance women’s beauty); and the existence of the Great Wall, a fortification running along the northern and northwestern frontiers of China.

In response to the critics, other scholars have pointed out that Marco lived among Mongol rulers rather than Chinese subjects and therefore would have had little or no exposure to chopsticks, tea, foot-binding, or Chinese written language. As for the Great Wall, it did not exist in its present form until the 16th century, long after Marco’s death. Furthermore, many of the ambiguities in Marco’s account are attributable to Rustichello, who cast the work in a form that he thought would be popular".

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556866/Polo_Marco.html#endads

You straightened out, boy? I hope so, because the humiliation I have been heaping upon you is starting to make me feel sorry for you!

[QUOTE=Steve B]
Sorry to burst your bubble, AE. But people who supposedly did great things in antiquity but are unable to repeat them in modern times is nothing more than ethnocentric fantasy, along the same lines as "Africans built the pyramids" but Whitey keeps them from repeating same. [/quote]


I already showed you no shortage of proof. Because your mind refuses to accept reality is of no consequence for me.



Afrocentric? Are you trying to be clever and show me the "superior Asian" ability at quick-wittedness? Perhaps you can name a race of people on the planet that have red hair, other than whites?

I was making an analogy. The ancient egyptians weren't white, nor were they black. They were caucasian, though. Got it?



Ah, the jew reveals himself! Whites who are proud of there ancestry are "cretins who validate there miserable experience". "Asians" on the other hand, who trumpet the "miracles" of Chinese history are merely just bringers of light to the evil racists!

No, I'm saying someone who prattles on about his supposed ancestors is compensating for his own shortcomings.


Thats easy, punk! Kublai Khan WAS NOT CHINESE! He was a mongul, dipshit! What was Rushton thinking!!!!

Either way sir, they are oriental mongoloids. Thanks for proving my point.



You straightened out, boy? I hope so, because the humiliation I have been heaping upon you is starting to make me feel sorry for you!

Humiliation? Your limp wristed attempts at a rebuttal hardly constitute 'humiliation'. Once again, I'll point to...


As early as 360 B.C., the Chinese used the cross bow and changed the face of warfare. Around 200-100 B.C., the Chinese used written exams to choose people for the civil service, two thousand years before Britain. The Chinese used printing about 800 A.D., some 600 years before Europe saw Gutenberg's first Bible. Paper money was used in China in 1300, but not in Europe until the 19th and 20th centuries. By 1050 Chinese chemists had made gunpowder, hand grenades, fire arrows, and rockets of oil and poison gas. By 1100, factories in China with 40,000 workers were making rockets. Flame throwers, guns, and cannons were used in China by the 13th century, about 100 years before Europe.

The Chinese used the magnetic compass as early as the 1st century. It is not found in European records until 1190. In 1422, seventy years before Columbus's three small ships crossed the Atlantic, the Chinese reached the east coast of Africa. They came in a great fleet of 65 ocean going ships filled with 27,000 soldiers and their horses, and a year's supply of grain, meat, and wine. With their gunpowder weapons, navigation, accurate maps and magnetic compasses, the Chinese could easily have gone around the tip of Africa and "discovered" Europe!

In the last five centuries, the European nations leapfrogged over the Chinese in science and technology. Since 1950, however, Japan has beaten the West in the production of many high-tech products. Other Pacific Rim countries (China, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea) now follow Japan's path. Africa, on the other hand, has fallen further behind. The poor conditions of African countries and Black America have become a concern to many. Much of the optimism of the U.S. Civil Rights movement of the 1960s is gone, along with the high hopes for independent African nations. Trillions of dollars of foreign aid have poured into Africa. Yet African economies have declined since the Europeans left.



Your basic thesis is that Polo may have lived among mongols instead of Chinese. Either way, the facts are facts.

And let's include...

Hong Kong: 107
South Korea: 106
Japan: 105
China: 101
Singapore: 100
Vietnam: 97


Germany: 102
Italy: 102
Spain: 99
Denmark: 98
Finland: 97
Russia:: 96
Ireland: 93



I give credit where credit is due. It seems your one dimensional mind cannot, however. Keep trying, my "smirnoff addled friend" (hey who says Intrepid isn't useful)?


Nice tagteaming with Rounder by the way. I'm still waiting for his decisive analysis on potential errors in Murray et al's IQ data. Yeah, right.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]I already showed you no shortage of proof. Because your mind refuses to accept reality is of no consequence for me.




I was making an analogy. The ancient egyptians weren't white, nor were they black. They were caucasian, though. Got it?




No, I'm saying someone who prattles on about his supposed ancestors is compensating for his own shortcomings.



Either way sir, they are oriental mongoloids. Thanks for proving my point.




Humiliation? Your limp wristed attempts at a rebuttal hardly constitute 'humiliation'. Once again, I'll point to...





Your basic thesis is that Polo may have lived among mongols instead of Chinese. Either way, the facts are facts.

And let's include...

Hong Kong: 107
South Korea: 106
Japan: 105
China: 101
Singapore: 100
Vietnam: 97


Germany: 102
Italy: 102
Spain: 99
Denmark: 98
Finland: 97
Russia:: 96
Ireland: 93



I give credit where credit is due. It seems your one dimensional mind cannot, however. Keep trying, my "smirnoff addled friend" (hey who says Intrepid isn't useful)?


Nice tagteaming with Rounder by the way. I'm still waiting for his decisive analysis on potential errors in Murray et al's IQ data. Yeah, right.


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Dude, thats about the weakest rebut you posted yet! Before, I was just a "racist cretin". Now you call me a drunk and invoke the name of Intrepid for assistance. Oh, and I like the typical jew whine about being ganged up on by me and Rounder...even though he hasn't posted in hours.

Boy, you got jew written all over you. Why the facade? Why hide it? Why lie about it?

[QUOTE=Steve B]Before, I was just a "racist cretin".[/quote]

Are you not a racist cretin?

I'm just racist.


Now you call me a drunk and invoke the name of Intrepid for assistance. Oh, and I like the typical jew whine about being ganged up on by me and Rounder...even though he hasn't posted in hours.

I wasn't asking for his help, and he wouldn't give it to me. It was an amusing insult, 'tis all.


Boy, you got jew written all over you. Why the facade? Why hide it? Why lie about it?

Yes, it's true. I'm not eurasian. My real name is David Ickenbaum.


Dude, thats about the weakest rebut you posted yet!

Then respond to it. Don't try to play sideshow.


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[QUOTE=HoaxThis]Heeeeyyy!!! WTFU??? Talk like dat makes me noivous - :mad:[/QUOTE]

I just think it sounds ridiculous when grown men start worrying about their hair and eye color. I have never read anywhere, as claimed earlier in this thread, that whites with blond hair and blues eyes have an average I.Q that is 10 points higher than those without those traits.

[QUOTE=Rounder]that's because the freakin kikes control everything. They (and their self-hating White goy puppets in power) ain't about to even administer, much less publicize a fair IQ testing of all "peoples", that would include a separate average score, for blue eyed blondes.

Blue eyed blondes belong to US, not to the GD kikes, niggers, or other mongrels. And WE MUST preserve them. [/QUOTE]


Here's where he admits he pulls this idea out of his ass.

Once again rounder, why does Italy have a higher IQ than Denmark or Sweden? Can you answer thiis?


Oh yes, I forget, a Jewish conspiracy! Idiot. White phenotype has relatively little to do with IQ. Actually looks in general have little to do with IQ, as demonstrated by asian IQ.


[quote=AS] I have never read anywhere, as claimed earlier in this thread, that whites with blond hair and blues eyes have an average I.Q that is 10 points higher than those without those traits.
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He pulled it out of his ass. To be fixated upon minute physical differences within your own race and then to fabricate statistics is something a child would do. The bottom line which scares me (and should scare the rest of you): Rounder doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.



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You're the expert on that maneuver. Do you still contend that japs are "lighter-skinned than Europeans?
Peee-yew! Wash thoroughly, now.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Here's where he admits he pulls this idea out of his ass.




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Deep inside, white people are aware of their superiority. That's why they are so eager to help others whom they deem unfortunate. This also accounts for their lack of hostility when they are called derogatory names such as gringo, honky, pale face, white devils, racist, etc. They know that what they hear is coming from very poor sources.

[QUOTE=MOMUS]You're the expert on that maneuver. Do you still contend that japs are "lighter-skinned than Europeans?[/QUOTE]

Do I think northern Japs and Chinese are lighter skinned than your average Western european?


Yes.



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I read somewhere that asians were smarter than we whites -- I.Q.'s of 106 or something like that. I hope you people realize that this sounds like good ol' doc Ruston and his "small dick - big brain" theory and since asians generally have smaller tools, they are smarter. More than likely though, this comes from someone who has great faith in paper, non real world, tests. If you test out at 198 IQ and cannot take a leak without wetting your shoes, then in my book, you are an incompetent jackass. Seals have a talent for balancing balls on their noses and some hummin beans have a talent to do well on tests.

Let's suppose that the premiss is true -- brilliant asians. Then I ask why it is we aren't attending all of their extraordinarily superior universities. And why aren't we stealing technical secrets from them? Why are they not producing surplus food and why haven't we learned that Won Long Wang and his extended family gave electrical power, and space flight, to the world?

[QUOTE=El Duce]I read somewhere that asians were smarter than we whites -- I.Q.'s of 106 or something like that. I hope you people realize that this sounds like good ol' doc Ruston and his "small dick - big brain" theory and since asians generally have smaller tools, they are smarter.[/quote]

You're an idiot. He never makes this connection, it's just an evolutionary side-by-side. Asians have the largest brains (and highest IQs) and this difference is even bigger when you compensate for body size. Also, big surprise, asians have the lowest crime rates in the world.


Let's suppose that the premiss is true -- brilliant asians. Then I ask why it is we aren't attending all of their extraordinarily superior universities. And why aren't we stealing technical secrets from them? Why are they not producing surplus food and why haven't we learned that Won Long Wang and his extended family gave electrical power, and space flight, to the world?

I've already explained this repeatedly. Geopolitical forces. Given the right environment, there's no doubt that said intelligence greatly manifests itself. I suggest you reread this debate.


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IQ tests were devised as a means of PREDICTING the PROBABILITY of success for those entering college. A high score meant that one was MORE LIKELY to do better in college than someone with a lower score. IQ tests are an academic exercise designed to test the ability to further into academic matter. Such tests have NEVER BEEN indictors of real world, that is, LIFE intelligence. To popularize this fact would be to let the air out of the academia big-bucks business balloon.

No need to mention the reeking source for that surmise.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Do I think northern Japs and Chinese are lighter skinned than your average Western european?


Yes.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]




I've already explained this repeatedly. Geopolitical forces. Given the right environment, there's no doubt that said intelligence greatly manifests itself. I suggest you reread this debate.


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Which just goes to further our superiority claim. You can have all the intelligence in the world; however if you don't have the technology and the vicious will to wipe sub humans out that stand in your way, what good is it? This is what the story of the Great White Race is: invention, ruthlessness, and brilliance. The White Race has proven that if we want a piece of land, we can take it.

It just kills me that we don't have a more racial imperialistic world view. We could own North America and then some.

[QUOTE=kabinger]Which just goes to further our superiority claim. You can have all the intelligence in the world; however if you don't have the technology and the vicious will to wipe sub humans out that stand in your way, what good is it? This is what the story of the Great White Race is: invention, ruthlessness, and brilliance. The White Race has proven that if we want a piece of land, we can take it. [/quote]

The history of Europe has not always been pinnacle. Europe's spring has come unto being within the last 500 or so years. It has not always been the world hegemon.



It just kills me that we don't have a more racial imperialistic world view. We could own North America and then some.

I support whites wanting control of their own lands free of foreign influences. World domination? No thanks. If the official doctrine of white nationalism is world domination, then...what the hell makes you so different from the Jews?



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My point is this: If you randomly selected 5,000 blue-eyed, blondes off the streets, and 5,000 other Whites, then gave all 10,000 the exact same IQ test, the inevitable results would be that the blue-eyed blondes would score at least 10 points higher (and probably even more).


Where did you get this information from? :confused:

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Where did you get this information from? :confused:[/QUOTE]

His ass.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]The history of Europe has not always been pinnacle. Europe's spring has come unto being within the last 500 or so years. It has not always been the world hegemon.[/quote]

Let's not forget the Dark Ages, which was caused by the scourge of religionist Christianity. I'll give you that point.

What about the Greek and Roman Empires? What about the Vikings? The Germans? All the barbarian white tribes that sacked Rome?

March of the Titans.

I'm not going to argue that Asian races haven't accomplished anything in history. Most certainly, they have. I do however, stand by my pride in my race based on its history, invention, beauty, and genes.




[Quote=Anima]
I support whites wanting control of their own lands free of foreign influences. World domination? No thanks. If the official doctrine of white nationalism is world domination, then...what the hell makes you so different from the Jews?

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I'm not claiming it's an official doctrine of white nationalism, so that point is moot.

You've made how many posts here and can't tell me the difference between empire and the jews? Come on...you can do better than that.

[QUOTE=kabinger]Let's not forget the Dark Ages, which was caused by the scourge of religionist Christianity. I'll give you that point.

What about the Greek and Roman Empires? What about the Vikings? The Germans? All the barbarian white tribes that sacked Rome?

March of the Titans.

I'm not going to argue that Asian races haven't accomplished anything in history. Most certainly, they have. I do however, stand by my pride in my race based on its history, invention, beauty, and genes.[/quote]


I consider Rome to be higher than the barbarians that sacked it. At least socially.

But I have no problem with your point. I'm not trying to prove asian superiority, and I'm not arguing that Europe hasn't accomplished anything. Rather, I'm simply debating people who refuse to give credit where credit is due. How anyone can say "Asians are stupid" and "asians didn't invent anything important" with a straight face is beyond me.




You've made how many posts here and can't tell me the difference between empire and the jews? Come on...you can do better than that.

Both desire a type of world domination. I don't support either. Obviously Jews are worse, but in the end, people should be able to decide their own destiny.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]I consider Rome to be higher than the barbarians that sacked it. At least socially.

But I have no problem with your point. I'm not trying to prove asian superiority, and I'm not arguing that Europe hasn't accomplished anything. Rather, I'm simply debating people who refuse to give credit where credit is due. How anyone can say "Asians are stupid" and "asians didn't invent anything important" with a straight face is beyond me.





Both desire a type of world domination. I don't support either. Obviously Jews are worse, but in the end, people should be able to decide their own destiny.



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Asians invented quite a few things, but you cannot deny they had stagnated, either for racial or cultural reasons(lets face it, innovation requires going against the grain, and that is extremely frowned upon in Asian cultures).

When Europeans opened them up for trade, they found a civilized society, but that society had been like that for centuries, relatively unchanged. Such a culture is doomed the second outsiders appear.

Arabs also had a brilliant culture which stagnated earlier than the Asians, but theyre Semites; (sadly) a branch of the Caucasoid race.

The word "alcohol" stems from the Arabic Al-khol....(learned that doing research into Alchemy). Just one of those fun fact things.

As for the topic, Islam is dangerous, I dont give a shit what they do in their own sandy wastelands, but they do not belong in our lands.

Shit, a village in China just had a mini civil war with Islamic Chinese.

Chinese Muslims express frustration after ethnic violence

GONGMAZHUANG, China (AP) - She lives 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the scene of the bloodshed, but the Muslim restaurant owner was sure she knew what happened when violence erupted between Muslim Hui and members of China's Han majority.

"The Han were all ganging up on Hui villagers,'' the woman, who would give only her surname, Ba, said Tuesday as she chopped garlic outside her halal restaurant in this village outside the central Chinese city of Zhengzhou. "Then the police did too little to intervene and just let the fighting go on.''

The four days of violence centered around the nearby village of Langchenggang killed seven people and injured 42, according to the government.

On Tuesday, the area was still cordoned off by police and troops from the paramilitary People's Armed Police, and residents were allowed to leave only for emergencies.

But in mostly Hui towns farther away, people echoed the restaurant owner, expressing vague frustration at relations with the richer, dominant Han and a businesslike determination to get on with life. Most wouldn't give their names or any details of their grievances.

"It's in their nature to bully,'' said one elderly Muslim woman who grew up in Gongmazhuang. "They do it a lot.''

China's 10 million Hui _ descendants of Muslim settlers and Chinese who converted to Islam _ have long endured strained relations with the Han, who are more than 90 percent of China's 1.3 billion people.

In the 18th and 19th centuries, Hui armies held out for years against imperial troops, finally succumbing to retaliation that included mass executions.

With the loosening of communist authority in the countryside in recent years, religious and economic tensions between the Han and China's minority groups occasionally boil over. The scope of such clashes isn't known because the communist government suppresses most information about such incidents.

In December 2000, at least five Hui were shot and killed by police during protests in the eastern province of Shandong after a dispute over a Han butcher advertising "Muslim pork.''

As many as 5,000 people took part in the weekend fighting around Langchenggang, according to residents. They said rioters fought with clubs and burned several buildings.

The government said Monday in its only public comment on the violence around Langchenggang that it erupted from a traffic dispute. It said 18 people were arrested but didn't mention that the rioters came from two different ethnic groups. The brief statement was carried by the official Xinhua News Agency on its international service.

Chinese domestic media still hadn't reported on the rioting by Tuesday. Police and government officials in Henan refused to answer questions. Martial law in Langchenggang was lifted Monday, according to the head of a mosque in the village of Nanren near the fighting's epicenter.

The imam, who wouldn't give his name, said at least two of the dead came from his village of 5,000 people.

According to townspeople, Gongmazhuang is one of the most prosperous Hui areas in Henan. People drive from Zhengzhou, the provincial capital, to dine at Hui restaurants.

Many townspeople said they learned of the violence last week only from reading government posters that told rioters to turn themselves in and offered rewards for people who informed on them.

Many Hui in Gongmazhuang seemed resigned to continued ethnic tensions.

"It's not a surprise,'' said one man, who also gave his surname as Ba.

"Huis are not afraid of fighting,'' he said. "We're not afraid to die.''-AP

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/11/3/latest/19544ChineseMu&sec=latest


That should blend the original topic in with the tangent of Asians....

Asians invented quite a few things, but you cannot deny they had stagnated, either for racial or cultural reasons(lets face it, innovation requires going against the grain, and that is extremely frowned upon in Asian cultures).

A valid argument, but one could also use that to explain the current demographic situation in Europe and American right now.

When Europeans opened them up for trade, they found a civilized society, but that society had been like that for centuries, relatively unchanged. Such a culture is doomed the second outsiders appear.

Yes, but asians were ahead of europeans until the last 500 years. Europe than leadfrogged over asia. But with the current economic and technological trends in asia, the situation is evening out.


Arabs also had a brilliant culture which stagnated earlier than the Asians, but theyre Semites; (sadly) a branch of the Caucasoid race.

The word "alcohol" stems from the Arabic Al-khol....(learned that doing research into Alchemy). Just one of those fun fact things.


From what I've read, the Chinese were the first to invent alcohol.



China is one of the first countries to have invented alcohol as a drink. A large number of pottery wine vessels were discovered in Shangdong at the ruins of the Dawenkou culture which dates back 5,000 years. Recorded history tells about wine-making techniques of more than 4,000 years ago.

The earliest wines were made from food grains, mainly various kinds of rice, broomcorn and millet. As a result of improvements in brewing skills, the yellow wine made its appearance probably in the Warring States Period (475 - 221 B.C.)

From an ancient tomb of the Warring States in Pingshan County of Hebei Province, large numbers of wine-storing and drinking vessels were excavated in the 1970s. Two of them contain an alcoholic drink made from wheat 2,280 years ago. It is probably the oldest liquor ever brought to light in the world.

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/hillmans/foodrink.html



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Shit, a village in China just had a mini civil war with Islamic Chinese.

Chinese Muslims express frustration after ethnic violence

Yes, and I think the Thai are having even bigger problems with Malayasian Islamic scum. Fuckers always blowing shit up and demaning autonomy.


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Maybe Rounder doesn't need a quotable source. Since his statement is easily backed up by observation.
If you had to put asians down as originators or copiers, an honest appraisal would find them in the copiers column.
March of the Titans
Your wonderful asian civilization was likely kick-started by Whites. Hence the "inventions" you claim are the result or a rarified environment created by Whites. Say caucasian again here-.
And the best one yet, that bit about the Imperial Navy reaching africa. Do you for one minute think asians alone built ships!?

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Maybe Rounder doesn't need a quotable source. Since his statement is easily backed up by observation.
If you had to put asians down as originators or copiers, an honest appraisal would find them in the copiers column.
March of the Titans
Your wonderful asian civilization was likely kick-started by Whites. Hence the "inventions" you claim are the result or a rarified environment created by Whites. Say caucasian again here-.
And the best one yet, that bit about the Imperial Navy reaching africa. Do you for one minute think asians alone built ships!?[/QUOTE]



If you are talking to me. I wasn't asking for any statistics on Asians. I wanted him to cite where he got his information about Nordics having higher IQs then other white people.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Maybe Rounder doesn't need a quotable source. Since his statement is easily backed up by observation.[/quote]

Bullshit. Easily observable? Are you telling me he knows the IQ of brown haired and eyed whites just by looking at them?



If you had to put asians down as originators or copiers, an honest appraisal would find them in the copiers column.

This has what to do with his claim? Moreover, it's a false stereotype.



Your wonderful asian civilization was likely kick-started by Whites. Hence the "inventions" you claim are the result or a rarified environment created by Whites.

Provide proof. Put up or shut up.


And the best one yet, that bit about the Imperial Navy reaching africa. Do you for one minute think asians alone built ships!?

Yes, Imperial China was much more advanced than Europe during that time period. You brain can't possible comprehend anything outside of your inaccurate white supremacist viewpoint, can you?


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[QUOTE=Rounder]This cypto kike/gook is a clever spin doctor, and on this forum for the purpose of inciting hatred for Arabs and Muslims, and to cause confusion and divisions among WNs.[/quote]

I'm not here to divide anyone. Besides, you guys fight amongst yourself enough already.

Hell, I'd venture to say you cause a hell of alot more strife here than I do.




It's past time to throw his/her ass in the opposition forum where it's half-breed ass belongs.

Who the hell is responsible for allowing this self confessed mongrel on this forum, anyway?When VNN'ers desire to debate with monkeys, they can go to the opposition forum and do so.

Ah, so this is how rounder acts when he starts losing debates. I'm here for whatever intelligent discussion I can get. I'm glad Linder lets me post freely, a luxury not readily afforded for politically incorrect types.


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Heh, joining the ranks of the Afrocentric? The ancient egyptians were not white, though they were caucasoid.Why do you always use this "caucasoid, not white" reasoning? OK, Arabs, Turks, (maybe Kurds) and Jews are probably the only non-whites who can be considered caucasoid. During the early Egyptian empire, the Arabs had not yet even ventured out of the Arabian penninsula (and not into Egypt until much later; during the spread of the caliphate), the Turks had not even yet existed as an ethnic group (until whites mixed with some of the residue of the huns and migrated into Asia Minor), and the Jews certainly could not have been the founders of Egyptian culture, as they were later enslaved by them. So what else could they have been other than whites?

And like someone else noted, the white race is the only one with naturally occurring hair of any color other than brown/black. So what about all the mummies found with red/blonde hair?

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]
And like someone else noted, the white race is the only one with naturally occurring hair of any color other than brown/black. So what about all the mummies found with red/blonde hair?[/QUOTE]

Coon seems to disagree... (I'd like to see a link showing blonde hair, though.)




"The pigmentation of the Egyptians was usually a brunet white; in the conventional figures the men are represented as red, the women often as lighter, and even white. ... the hair is almost inevitably black or dark brown, and the eyes brown.... The Egyptian representation of foreigners is quite accurate; besides the Libyans, who have Nordic features as well as coloring, Asiatics, with prominent noses and curly hair, sea peoples from the Mediterranean, with lighter skins and a more pronounced facial relief than the Egyptians, are also shown, as well as negroes. ... The Mediterranean pigmentation of the Egyptians has probably not greatly changed during the last five thousand years."


So I would buy an argument (maybe) for med caucasian origin. But blonde hair blue eye white skinned nordics? Nope.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]

Ah, so this is how rounder acts when he starts losing debates. I'm here for whatever intelligent discussion I can get. I'm glad Linder lets me post freely, a luxury not readily afforded for politically incorrect types.[/QUOTE]

"Ahso" LOL! By the way, you mischievous, mighty debate winning(that only originates in your brain and no one elses) master of non sequiturs you, how many of Linders(you know that guy that lets you post freely) tabloids have you distributed?

I'm guessin a big fat ZERO! In fact, what is it that you are doing on this forum anyway? You're here 24/7, monitoring what everybody says and does and posting an average of 15 posts per day. Some people here are serious, some here for shits and grins, some here to converse with like minded people. But you, you're not any of those.

Question:Why would somebody who has to put up with the abuse that you do continue to come here? You know what I think? I think that Euro part of Eurasian has got Khazar written all over it.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]The history of Europe has not always been pinnacle. Europe's spring has come unto being within the last 500 or so years. It has not always been the world hegemon.





I support whites wanting control of their own lands free of foreign influences. World domination? No thanks. If the official doctrine of white nationalism is world domination, then...what the hell makes you so different from the Jews?



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Why do you keep forgetting Greece and Rome?

The difference between us and jews is that we dont sneak around like weasly rats when we seize, execute, and dominate. You don't think China wouldn't try their hand at world domination if they weren't afraid of being glassed over?

I suggest that you be restricted to the opposition forum for the same reason I would suggest an anti-zionist arab or a self-hating jew be consigned to the OPP forum - your not White.

[QUOTE=Rounder]that's because the freakin kikes control everything. They (and their self-hating White goy puppets in power) ain't about to even administer, much less publicize a fair IQ testing of all "peoples", that would include a separate average score, for blue eyed blondes.

Blue eyed blondes belong to US, not to the GD kikes, niggers, or other mongrels. And WE MUST preserve them.

A.S. you need to rise up above your own self-interests, and place the good of our Race above all else. And the good of our Race means preserving the best of our racial stock. Otherwise, as our resident gook (or cypto kike) points out, the average IQ for Whites will continue to drop, drop, and drop until even the freakin gooks will actually in fact, have higher IQs than average Whites.

That cypto kike challenges me to prove that published IQ test scores are frauds. It is IMPOSSIBE you idiot for any WN to investigate and to go thru all the so-called paperword in the hands of the kikes who compiled then publicized those IQ scores.

Just as the kikes fabricated the history of the White man, so too do they fabricated everything else that compliments their agenda of genocide against the White man's Race, including and especially comparative IQ test scores, which have the effect of convincing many gullible White people to go ahead and race-mix while believing they are actually up-breeding.

Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]

I was just busting your balls in the first post. I think too many people have this fixation on hair color and eye color and some Nordic ideal.

Secondly, what kind of Blond-hair and blue eyes are you talking about? Do you mean yellow-white blond-hair, dark golden blond-hair, ash blond-hair, dirty blond hair, mousy blond-hair or one of the thousands of shades in between? When does hair cease to be blond and become light brown? What about Blondes with green eyes or Grey eyes or Grey-blue eyes etc.. Do you see what I'm getting at. Look hair and eye color vary greatly even amongst Nordic stock. To try and split hairs as to who is blond and who has true blue eyes and establishing their IQ would be a waste of time. These white characteristics are very subjective. Nordic traits are primarily, at least in anthropological terms, determined by height and skull shape so far as I know, with lighter hair and eyes as a secondary characteristic. Blond hair and blue eyes are not indicative of greater capacity for intelligence amongst whites.

I agree with you, blond-hair and blue eyes are part of the legacy of the white race and should be preserved. I also wish to preserve our people with red-hair, auburn-hair, chestnut hair, blue-eyes, green-eyes, and Grey-eyes. Hell, let's be honest here I'm talking about women. I could care less what color eyes you and Steve B have!

I don't know what you mean by "rising up above my own self-interests". I come from good Nordic stock on both sides of my family. I'm not going to talk about my hair and eye color. That would, you know, sound kind of funny.


To reiterate, blond-hair and blue eyes have no correlation to greater capacity amongst Aryans. I don't think you should make tendentious statements like that especially when arguing with an anti-white Asian like Anima. I think focusing on this Nordic ideal is a bad idea.

As for Anima, I think in this thread he has proved he is not at all white and is indeed hostile to whites. When he talks about his people he is always talking about Asians. As a non-white he should be banned to the opposition forum. I don't think we should deny him his say just not here or anywhere else except the opposition forum. We don't let Niggers tramp around in OUR forum, why should we let openly hostile Asians troll around here?

I don't think there is any evidence that nords are superior to other white ethnicities, such as meds or nord/med mixes.

Certainly the nordic phenotype has some aesthetic appeal, but I don't see why Charlize Theron is a fan of that kike-fraud Einstein. lol

http://www.macnation.org/Downloads/collections/SS3/CharlizeTheron006.jpg

If a person's countenance reveals too much non-White then the probability of him/her sooner, or later, acting in a fashion not conducive to White interests,such as Anima .

The 4th generation measure seems a good one. One part in sixteen appears permissible and that one part will be visibly evident. Air containing 1/16 carbon dioxide is not breathable. Water containing 1/16 salt is not useful as drinking water.Amounts greater than this are poisonous and the smaller the ratio, the more value the air or water has for its purpose. A brother-in-law, with roots in the Finland area, resembles Chang Hsueh-liang around the eyes, but he's White in my book. Genghis Khan, with his green eyes and lighter skin, never, as far as I know, acted as a European and I would certainly never classify him as one.


If White attributes are worth saving, and I think they certainly are, then global race-mixing is to be declared an enemy for whether we yap about DNA, genes, blood, or what, numbers alone declare White will lose. "White" will not vanish. It will be submerged.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Certainly the nordic phenotype has some aesthetic appeal, ][/QUOTE]


This is true, of course, but there is no denying the "med" appeal either. At least going by my tastes. :p

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]This is true, of course, but there is no denying the "med" appeal either. At least going by my tastes. :p[/QUOTE]

You're not going by Diablo's definition of "med", are you? lol

http://sg.yimg.com/xp/reuters/20040311/4024171733.jpg

http://www.faem.com/adlib/2002/finngirl.jpgIf you cannot see the Mongolian in her eyes, then I suggest a visit to an optometrist is in order. The pictures of Bushez daughters show the same Asian features.

[QUOTE=El Duce]http://www.faem.com/adlib/2002/finngirl.jpgIf you cannot see the Mongolian in her eyes, then I suggest a visit to an optometrist is in order. The pictures of Bushez daughters show the same Asian features.[/QUOTE]

I think she might just be sloshed.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]I think she might just be sloshed.[/QUOTE]Or maybe just high on pot. Giving away her Chinese eyes

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]You're not going by Diablo's definition of "med", are you? lol
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LOL. I don't think Diablo is quite that bad :p

This is the kind of man I am talking about:

how many of Linders(you know that guy that lets you post freely) tabloids have you distributed?

I'm guessin a big fat ZERO!

What does this have to do with anything? Why would I hand out white nationalist literature? That's your job.


In fact, what is it that you are doing on this forum anyway? You're here 24/7, monitoring what everybody says and does and posting an average of 15 posts per day. Some people here are serious, some here for shits and grins, some here to converse with like minded people. But you, you're not any of those.

I'm here for shits and grins, and for serious reasons.


Question:Why would somebody who has to put up with the abuse that you do continue to come here?


Because I don't care about what people say on the internet. You think because a few idiots predictably give me shit, I should somehow cry a river?


I think in this thread he has proved he is not at all white and is indeed hostile to whites. When he talks about his people he is always talking about Asians. As a non-white he should be banned to the opposition forum. I don't think we should deny him his say just not here or anywhere else except the opposition forum. We don't let Niggers tramp around in OUR forum, why should we let openly hostile Asians troll around here?

"My people"? Whoever said they were "my people"? I don't identify as asian or white. I defend asians from some clueless morons here, just as I defend europeans from clueless morons in the academia. I have no problem giving due credit where credit is due.

Openly hostile is simply a synonym you are using for "debunking our falsehoods".


I can't speak on the confining of the negroes, but perhaps you should reread what Linder has said multiple times in the past. Live with it.



You don't think China wouldn't try their hand at world domination if they weren't afraid of being glassed over?

They might, but you're prescribing a false argument. I think anyone who desires world domination, and thus deny people the right to govern themselves, should be opposed. Whether they be asian or white.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]
They might, but you're prescribing a false argument. I think anyone who desires world domination, and thus deny people the right to govern themselves, should be opposed. Whether they be asian or white.



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Then by your own admission, you are OPPOSITION and should thus be relegated to the opposition forum.

Also, we don't want to rule over anyone, but rather exterminate them.

NEXT!

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]Then by your own admission, you are OPPOSITION and should thus be relegated to the opposition forum.

Also, we don't want to rule over anyone, but rather exterminate them.
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Okay, if the defining tenet of white nationalism is world domination and genocide, you could call me an "anti".



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Okay, if the defining tenet of white nationalism is world domination and genocide, you could call me an "anti".



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Welcome to the natural, animal world, anti.

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]Welcome to the natural, animal world, anti.[/QUOTE]

You should have been born an animal, then.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You should have been born an animal, then.



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We are all animals.

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]We are all animals.[/QUOTE]


Okay, you should not have been born homo sapien. Surely can differentiate between the cognitive abilities of the species.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Okay, you should not have been born homo sapien. Surely can differentiate between the cognitive abilities of the species.




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So you are saying that man is above nature, that because we are smarter than the other animals that the rules of nature do not apply to us? Are you a christian or something?

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]So you are saying that man is above nature, that because we are smarter than the other animals that the rules of nature do not apply to us?[/quote]

Absolutely not. But humanity is clearly leagues beyond all other species. If humans all acted like violent animals, we would not have had the Renaissance or the Enlightenment.


Are you a christian or something?

Of course not, don't insult me.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Absolutely not. But humanity is clearly leagues beyond all other species. If humans all acted like violent animals, we would not have had the Renaissance or the Enlightenment.




Of course not, don't insult me.


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Higher mammals don't generally fight interspecies, except to est. a pecking order. The Renaissance happened without non-whites, so what, exactly, is your point?

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]Higher mammals don't generally fight interspecies, except to est. a pecking order. The Renaissance happened without non-whites, so what, exactly, is your point?[/QUOTE]


The point is, you betray your own principles.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]The point is, you betray your own principles.


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How is that? Are you being intentionally vague so as to seem mysterious and enigmatic?

[QUOTE=cruo-Stagarana]How is that? Are you being intentionally vague so as to seem mysterious and enigmatic?[/QUOTE]


You are saying humans are nothing more than animals, so therefore acting like savages is acceptable, nay, inevitable.


Get my point?



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]What does this have to do with anything? Why would I hand out white nationalist literature? That's your job.


Because I don't care about what people say on the internet. You think because a few idiots predictably give me shit, I should somehow cry a river?


"My people"? Whoever said they were "my people"? I don't identify as asian or white. I defend asians from some clueless morons here, just as I defend europeans from clueless morons in the academia. I have no problem giving due credit where credit is due.[/QUOTE]

You know what, AE. I'm thinking your free range anti time is up! Now don't get me wrong, it's not because you don't support Linders tabloid. Some WN's can't or won't for reasons known only to them and they just don't wanna do it and I have no problem with that. Initially my enthusiasm for the tabloid clouded my judgement against those who wouldn't support it and for that I apologize. Some White men you just can't push!

But you, I don't see anything in your posts that would even suggest White Nationalism. Now don't get me wrong, I have had many problems with posters here and had my share of flame wars but I have always found some type of common ground with them that made me back off.

But you...I say again..there is no common ground! I think you are a God Damn jew troll sent here to monitor this board and sow discord and dissension and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is!!!

So lets get to the crux of the matter, shall we boy. I like to gamble! It's always been something I have been good at. I donno if it's brains or luck or good looks but I always seem to win. In point of fact I have made a pretty good living taking fools money.

So here it is and I'm going to make it easy on you, punk. I bet you 50 shekels that within 7 days you will be banned to opp forum! If within those 7 days you aren't banned then I will send you or your favorite charity a US Grant. (50 dollars)

If I win and you are in fact banned to opp forum then you send either Linder or Rounder the same and the promise you will distribute 100 tabloids!

So what about it, punk! Care to put your money where your mouth is you little dick chickenshit dweeb?

[QUOTE=Steve B]
But you, I don't see anything in your posts that would even suggest White Nationalism. [/quote]

Because I'm not white. Nice dectective work, there.



Damn jew troll sent here to monitor this board and sow discord and dissension and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is!!!

How am I sowing discord? By producing arguments based on facts that you cannot respond to? Give it a break.



So here it is and I'm going to make it easy on you, punk. I bet you 50 shekels that within 7 days you will be banned to opp forum! If within those 7 days you aren't banned then I will send you or your favorite charity a US Grant. (50 dollars)

If I win and you are in fact banned to opp forum then you send either Linder or Rounder the same and the promise you will distribute 100 tabloids!


It's a loaded bet. No way. With the latter option, it's win win, not to mention you probably hold more sway with administration than I do.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Because I'm not white. Nice dectective work, there.




How am I sowing discord? By producing arguments based on facts that you cannot respond to? Give it a break.




It's a loaded bet. No way. With the latter option, it's win win, not to mention you probably hold more sway with administration than I do.



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Translation: You pussed out, boy!

Anima spent some time locked in the Opp ward, he just hated it. He enjoys ranging the forum freely, interrupting threads he doesn't like, especially threads that speak harshly of his pals.
It would be like a steel cage to him. It's another forum pest, altogether, that enjoys confinement of that sort.

All the other avowed anti-WNs confine themselves to the Opp. Forum, this one should too.
That, or BRANG ON THE MULATTOS.

interrupting threads he doesn't like, especially threads that speak harshly of his pals.


Proof please. Thanks. (If you're talking about Jews).


If you're talking about me replying to idiots saying "asians r stupid lol", then...


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HAR! Again you bring to mind that other forum pest, old "Prove I Lied" I know exactly where you stated that you felt it your right and duty to interfere with threads that spoke ill of jews, so long as you, "found it unbelievable." That's plenty good enough for me or any Whiteman. That statement of yours lies buried, but easily recovered, in that accursed and sunken thread of doom. There, too, is your statement that you were unsure if your efforts for ZOG on this forum would get you out of the draft.
[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Proof please. Thanks. (If you're talking about Jews).


If you're talking about me replying to idiots saying "asians r stupid lol", then...


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[QUOTE=MOMUS]HAR![/QUOTE]


Translation: MO' can't provide anything because he pulled it out of his ass.

Here's another great tidbit for Rounder and Steve B, should they find the testicular fortitude to continue their ludicrous notions that asians cannot create and are stupid. (this is from the review of IQWOTAN by Lynn)


[size=3]One of the most perplexing problems for the general theory is why the people of East Asia with their high IQs lagged behind the European peoples in economic growth and development until the second half of the twentieth century. China’s science and technology were generally more advanced than Europe’s for around two thousand years, from about 500 BC up to around 1500 AD.

In engineering, for example, China had canal systems, including canal locks, centuries ahead of Europe. In agricultural technology, the Chinese were the first to invent the collar and harness for horses (250 BC), and the chain pump for lifting water for irrigation (80 AD). They also invented the wheel barrow (240 BC), which did not appear in Europe until 1250 AD. In printing and paper making, the Chinese invented making paper from bark (105 AD), printing from engraved wooden blocks (650 AD), printing with movable type (1040 AD), and color printing for paper money (1100 AD).

In military technology, the Chinese invented the stirrup (475 AD) enabling soldiers on horseback to sit securely in the saddle and attack enemies with swords and lances, gunpowder (1044 AD), rockets (1200 AD), bombs producing shrapnel (1230 AD), small firearms shooting bullets from bamboo and metal tubes (1260 AD), and cannons (1280 AD). In Europe, gunpowder was not used until the 1300s. In marine technology, the Chinese built ships with rudders (2000 BC), and the magnetic compass for navigation at sea (1100 AD).

Stillother Chinese inventions included: cast iron (300 BC), iron chain supported suspension bridges (580 AD), spinning wheels (1035 AD), water powered mechanical clocks (1080 AD), and porcelain (840 AD). In mathematics, the Chinese invented the decimal point (1350 BC), and negative numbers (100 BC).

In the fifteenth century Chinese inventiveness in science and technology
came to an end and from that time on virtually all the important advances were made by Europeans, first in Europe and later in the United States, perhaps because while Europeans developed the market economy, the Chinese stagnated through authoritarian bureaucracy and central planning.


Although it is sometimes asserted that the Japanese have not made any significant scientific and technological innovations of their own, this underestimates their technological achievements. Philip’s Science and Technology Encyclopedia (1998) lists a number of important discoveries and technological innovations made by the Japanese: the fiber-tipped pen (1960),
‘‘bullet’’ trains traveling at 210 km/h, much faster than any Western trains (1964), laser radar (1966), quartz watches (1967), VHS video home systems (1976), flat screen televisions using liquid crystal display (1979), video discs (1980), CD-ROM (read only memory) disks (1985), digital audio tape (1987), and digital networks for sending signals along coaxial cables and optical fibers
(1988).[/size]



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Nope, right here:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=7671&page=27&pp=10




Again, sir, do you think that some forum members try to distract and divert conversations that begin to speak ill in any way of jews?


Yes...if what is being spoken is unbelievable. I can speak ill of something but that doesn't give it validity.


[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Translation: MO' can't provide anything because he pulled it out of his ass.[/QUOTE]

HAR! Again you bring to mind that other forum pest, old "Prove I Lied" I know exactly where you stated that you felt it your right and duty to interfere with threads that spoke ill of jews, so long as you, "found it unbelievable." That's plenty good enough for me or any Whiteman. That statement of yours lies buried, but easily recovered, in that accursed and sunken thread of doom. There, too, is your statement that you were unsure if your efforts for ZOG on this forum would get you out of the draft.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anima Eternae
Proof please. Thanks. (If you're talking about Jews).

Yes...if what is being spoken is unbelievable. I can speak ill of something but that doesn't give it validity.

Yeah, so what? Show me where I have "distracted" a thread away from "teh jooz", please. Can you? C'mon, MO!


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Are you trying to steal "Prove I'm Lyings" routine? I'm not chasing down any more quotes for you, pest.
Seeya.


[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Yeah, so what? Show me where I have "distracted" a thread away from "teh jooz", please. Can you? C'mon, MO!


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[QUOTE=MOMUS]Are you trying to steal "Prove I'm Lyings" routine?
Seeya.[/QUOTE]

1. MOMUS says I try to shift attention away from Jews

2. I ask for proof.

3. MOMUS buckles like tinfoil over a fire.




Thank you, come again! Dry creaning for cheap!


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It's late and you are boring.
You constantly defend the jew and try to incite fear of the muslims they oppress.
Here is one that you have repeated at least twice more; no I won't find those too.

Originally Posted by MOMUS
Just explain what it is that the West would have to fear from Muslims if there were no Israel and no jewish-inspired immigration laws.



Care to show how Jews have changed immigration laws in France?


There's no shortage of documentation of their activities here in America. But let's see some for France.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]1. MOMUS says I try to shift attention away from Jews

2. I ask for proof.

3. MOMUS buckles like tinfoil over a fire.




Thank you, come again! Dry creaning for cheap!


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Now Europe learned canal building from asians! HAHAHA!
Is your asian skull too thick to take in any info that didn't come installed by grade school? There was no asian civilization prior to the spark provided by Aryans. All those proto White groups were Aryan descent, IMO. And if you had more Aryan blood, maybe you'd understand the pride I take in having inherited some of that genetic material. Aryans have been civilization starters. Mud races have consumed their best efforts, and then them. Through killing or breeding out.
ARYANS ARE THE MASTER RACE. That's why we alone suffer the emotion of compassion. Which has always gotten in the way of treating subordinates in the manner they truly deserve. KISS THE RING, OR PERISH.
Spare me your "accepted sources" as I have no need of trash I've discarded.
If you are not White enough to hand out flyers, your presence here is a distraction at best.

The Crusades themselves left Europe in a weakened condition to face the subsequent Asiatic onslaught of Genghiz Khan's Mongols and the Ottoman Turks (close cousins of the Khazar Turks). We seem to be going through this cycle once again. 'Christendom', defined as white people of European descent, have again dissipated their military strength in campaigns disguised under ideological banners but in fact serving other races' material interests. And again the result is to leave 'Christendom' in a weakened military condition vis a vis the Central Asiatics and Mongols.

There was no asian civilization prior to the spark provided by Aryans. All those proto White groups were Aryan descent,

You wish. Back up your stupid claims. You can't. I think Ygg is right with regards to your type; an embarassment to anyone who's racially conscious.



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Well, they DID find all those White mummies in China, and the China govt tried to cover it up. I don't have any links. but I'm sure a quick google could make somethin show up.

BTW, this pretty pathetic. Its fucking embarassing to us OTHER WN's when you start saying shit like "I don't need proof, blah vblah". Shut the fuck up, you're not right because you say you are. Are you really that fucking insecure about your whiteness that you have to pretend that we did EVERYthing? If Aryans didn't give that cultural spark to China, would you still be proud to be White? Yes, so why get all pissy about it? It doesn't make you any less white. It makes you not look like a bitch because you can admit when you're wrong.

Yeah, this "I'm White so I can never be wrong" bullshit is an embarrassment to other racially conscious people. Its a very JEWISH attitude to have.

Sorry, had to throw my .02 in. :D Continue arguing.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You wish. Back up your stupid claims. You can't. I think Ygg is right with regards to your type; an embarassment to anyone who's racially conscious.



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[QUOTE=SheerTerror]Well, they DID find all those White mummies in China, and the China govt tried to cover it up. I don't have any links. but I'm sure a quick google could make somethin show up.[/quote]

Yes, you're right. They found caucasian mummies in China, however, those inventions I listed were created by ethnic chinese. They even know who and when as listed previously.



BTW, this pretty pathetic. Its fucking embarassing to us OTHER WN's when you start saying shit like "I don't need proof, blah vblah". Shut the fuck up, you're not right because you say you are. Are you really that fucking insecure about your whiteness that you have to pretend that we did EVERYthing? If Aryans didn't give that cultural spark to China, would you still be proud to be White? Yes, so why get all pissy about it? It doesn't make you any less white. It makes you not look like a bitch because you can admit when you're wrong.

Yeah, this "I'm White so I can never be wrong" bullshit is an embarrassment to other racially conscious people. Its a very JEWISH attitude to have.

Sorry, had to throw my .02 in. :D Continue arguing.

Well said. Any ideology that claims to be rooted in truth should follow the truth. Of course, truth is so subjective nowadays...(hence my earlier signature). I've never claimed Europeans didn't invent many great things. What I am saying is the absurdity of many of the claims made by some people on this forum.

I remember HRS's brilliant anthropological claim that the negro race was the newest race, because whites went to Africa and has sex with apes. Yes, it's funny, but she wasn't joking.

And I'm surprised more whites here didn't take offense to "rounder's" ludicrous claim the brown haired whites are about 10 IQ points less intelligent than blondes. If there's anyone who doesn't deserve to have the intellectual hegemon of this forum, it's him.


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True. I'm half Scottish half German and have brown-eyes and dirty blonde hair. But, I *do* respect the hell outta Rounder. The guy's been fighting for whites for longer than I've been alive probably.

I was little out of line in my post above, but it REALLY gets on my nerves when people can't even admit to being a LITTLE wrong. There's something to be said for being stubborn, but there's a point where it just gets absurd. Too much shit-slinging. It makes it worse when I know that the ONLY forum I've ever been to that actually had civil debates (where people didn't get mad if they lost, and admitted it) was some leftist hippie forum about 4 years ago.

I'm not saying that Rounder or Momus are wrong. I don't feel like I know enouh about that topic to really argue about it. BUT, if you're right, why not just put forth the little effort and find a link to prove it?

Oh, Anima, Nordicists don't really offend me, as long as they don't treat me like I'm a nigger or something. I can understand wanting to preserve their Nordic features and all that. I do, however disagree with Rounder about the intelligence thing.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Yes, you're right. They found caucasian mummies in China, however, those inventions I listed were created by ethnic chinese. They even know who and when as listed previously.





Well said. Any ideology that claims to be rooted in truth should follow the truth. Of course, truth is so subjective nowadays...(hence my earlier signature). I've never claimed Europeans didn't invent many great things. What I am saying is the absurdity of many of the claims made by some people on this forum.

I remember HRS's brilliant anthropological claim that the negro race was the newest race, because whites went to Africa and has sex with apes. Yes, it's funny, but she wasn't joking.

And I'm surprised more whites here didn't take offense to "rounder's" ludicrous claim the brown haired whites are about 10 IQ points less intelligent than blondes. If there's anyone who doesn't deserve to have the intellectual hegemon of this forum, it's him.


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[QUOTE=Rounder]
And as I said, if 5,000 blue-eyed blondes, and 5,000 dark-haired-dark-eyed Whites were randomly selected off the streets, then all 10,000 given the identical IQ test, the blue-eyed blonds would produce an average score at least 10 points higher[/QUOTE]


How do you know this? Where is this information coming from. I don't understand, is this just what you think?

good point Rounder, gooks are flat assed! I was wondering if anybody else had noticed that. LOL

IMHO the American White European hybrid is the ideal racial specimen. We have the ideal balance of Nordic communitarian cooperation and ideal beauty, Mediterranean clannishness and aggression and spirituality, and overall general Aryan intellect and creativity.

Sans the race mixing agenda of the past 40 years we would be well on our way to a separate sub-Aryan racial type of our own; but I wonder if it would really have been that different from what they call "Alpinid" eh?

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You are saying humans are nothing more than animals, so therefore acting like savages is acceptable, nay, inevitable.


Get my point?



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Yes, I get your point and its dull. How is that a contradiction of my beliefs, which apparently you know full and well despite not even knowing my name?

Let their be an IQ testing of the Races of Man. Full blooded Aryans versus full blooded Mongoloids and full blooded niggers. Then, these flat-headed, flat-assed, bow-legged, dwarf gooks (especially the one on this forum) will shut the hell up about those jew-manipulated/frabricated IQ test scores showing gooks with higher scores than Whites.


You say they are "fabricated jew" tests because your peanut brain cannot accept the truth. You have to think you're the best in every single regard, don't you? Reality has no place in your worldview.

Sad, itz.

They've done the tests already: Whites are 100, Asians are 106, US negroes are 85, Full blooded negroes are 70.


Whether you want to accept those results or not doesn't change the truth. Rounder, there's no other way to put this: You have no grasp on reality. Your zeal blinds your sight. Tell me how you think bown haired whites are less intelligent again, please.


We have the ideal balance of Nordic communitarian cooperation and ideal beauty, Mediterranean clannishness and aggression and spirituality, and overall general Aryan intellect and creativity

Never saw the appeal in the Nordic phenotype. Anglo-saxon isn't Nordic. Well, I guess if you disagree there's nothing much to be said. The objectification of the subjective is also kind of silly, don't you think?





How do you know this? Where is this information coming from. I don't understand, is this just what you think?


He's making it up. Rounder doesn't know a damn thing about anthropology, psychology, or genetics. He's a lemming.


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[QUOTE=Rounder] to the opposition forum, I'll allow you to distract me once again.

You say "they've" done the IQ testing....Whites 100, Asians 106. Well, we all know who "they" is, don't we? Muds, and self-hating White intellectual system whores, all under the rulership of the GD yids. In your wildest, misguided, self-serving fantancies, do you honestly believe the yids would allow the publicizing of IQ test scores showing Whites with the highest scores, you lying Ganghis Kahn monkey you?[/quote]

No dumbass, I'm talking about researchers who are physically assaulted by anti-racist thugs for publishing their racial findings.

Prove that Rushton, Lynn's, and Murray's data are false. Show me, ace. Put up or shutup.


Of course, in Rounder's world, you would forge the test data.





See VNN'ers, how this half-breed spins truth? I said no such thing, and you know it. You are clearly trying to divide White VNN'ers.

What I said was this: ON AVERAGE, blue-eyed blondes have a higher IQ than other White people. Many millions of browned headed White people have higher IQs than the average blue eyed blonde. No doubt about it. Surely, you know what AVERAGE means. And that's what I said: "AVERAGE".


Exactly, so on average, you think brown haired whites are dumber. And back up this claim. You keep saying this, prove it. Oh I forgot, "teh jooz" won't let you!


Just like kikes, all you muds have a special hatred for blue-eyed blondes for the simple reason that neither the jews, nor mud races can possibly procreate anything other than dark hair and dark eyes. Blonde and red hair, and blue and green eyes are absolutely confined to our White Aryan Race. Only White Aryan genes can precreate those features. And you all dispise us for that, and want it out of your sight via miscegenation.

Nein, herr douchebag.

I have green eyes and brown hair. A lad I know who is 25% Japanese has blue eyes and blonde hair. I have nothing against nordics, considering my father is one.

What I am sick of are pseudo-scholars such as yourself claiming that nordics are superior to meds. And also, blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't always mean Nordic.



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Quit trying to drive in that nord./med. wedge. They are both descended from Aryans. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that, unless you want it to be, interloper.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Quit trying to drive in that nord./med. wedge. They are both descended from Aryans. Doesn't have to be more complicated than that, unless you want it to be, interloper.[/QUOTE]


I'm not the one claiming dark haired whites are ten IQ points less intelligent than blondes. I view Nords and Meds equal in intelligence, and the IQ data more or less validates my claims. Rounder on the other hand, keeps talking out of his ass.


You were talking to Rouder, right? :p



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No reply from shit-po gookling enema, I see.


Btw, you must be either stupid or psychotically masochistic..why are you even here, giving tips and pointers to people like us who would so very much like to see you and your momma and dadda butchered without remorese?

No, talking at you again, anima. Blue-eyed blondes exhibit more Aryan genes, on average. Not even going to waste a biology lesson discussing your freak, er, friend.
toyota straight six- old reliable of jap motors. A copy of Chevy's six.
yamaha 650 twin- Brit and American industry killer was a cheap copy of a Triumph.
A couple engineers in Germany develop a hydrogen car, in their spare time- asian copy absent to date
College students put solar array and home-made gas scrubber on used pickup to create first self contained power system- asian copy absent to date.
Chew that.

No, talking at you again, anima. Blue-eyed blondes exhibit more Aryan genes, on average. Not even going to waste a biology lesson discussing your freak, er, friend.

Pseudo-scholars, eh? You know absolutely nothing about genetics or biology.


Of course you won't back up your shit. "Not wasting a biology a lesson" just translates to "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. RAHOWA!"


Btw, you must be either stupid or psychotically masochistic..why are you even here, giving tips and pointers to people like us who would so very much like to see you and your momma and dadda butchered without remorese?


The only thing you're butchering is science and the name of all intelligent people on earth.



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Why did you add someone else's words to mine, fraud?

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Why did you add someone else's words to mine, fraud?[/QUOTE]

I predict the little little gooklet will, in short order, be banned to opp forum where he can run down White Volks to his hearts content.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]



The only thing you're butchering is science and the name of all intelligent people on earth.



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What the hell are you talking about gookling? I haven't even mentioned science.

As an extra indicator, White people seem to require "space" between themselves. It is no coincidence that the sparsely populated areas of Mestizo-Chinese

Non-Whites love huddling together like maggots on a rotted carcass. Look, and notice. I view with suspicion any who view life in a large city as heaven on terra firma.

[QUOTE=El Duce]As an extra indicator, White people seem to require "space" between themselves. It is no coincidence that the sparsely populated areas of Mestizo-Chinese[/quote]

Yeah, more crap you pulled out of nowhere, eh?


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Well, gookling, can you pull your head out of your Dance Dance Revolution and hentai long enough to give me a clear explanation as to why you find what I say so disagreeable?

I was listening to a dog breeder telling how mongrels are always unpredictable in their behavior -- they don't know which stain they should act like. Ain' dat so, Anima?

The basic White gene pool is not that free of adulteration.In a general sense, a 5% adulteration would probably be an upper limit for those serious about improving our stock.

The ancient Greeks knew that the gods were blue-eyed, yellow-haired beings, and 6-4 stature( compared to Asians 5-5)Americans don't know that much as they think one of them looks like Alan Greenspan in black-face


In other news:The Chinese are now copying British textbooks which were printed about 100 years ago. The American boob is now buying these books while attributing the 'higher standards" to the Chinese.

[QUOTE=El Duce]The ancient Greeks knew that the gods were blue-eyed, yellow-haired beings, and 6-4 stature( compared to Asians 5-5)Americans don't know that much as they think one of them looks like Alan Greenspan in black-face[/quote]

Greeks weren't Nordic. They may have had a Nordic element, but that's it.





In other news:The Chinese are now copying British textbooks which were printed about 100 years ago. The American boob is now buying these books while attributing the 'higher standards" to the Chinese.

What are you talking about? Good lord you fabricate more material than a house of looms!


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It's very difficult to find recessive characteristics among dominant ones but very easy to find dominant characteristics among those recessive. Therefore, the key to "who is white" should focus upon the exclusion of those showing marks of dominant black, or yellow, characteristics. This is as the gods intended. The gods created (White) man in their image and therefore that creation must also be a creator. The White race is the creative race and can only be self-protecting if the slightest bit of adulteration (miscegenation) shows. The tri-colors of the lit heavens are yellow (sun), blue (sky) and white (pure clouds). This is the hair, eyes and skin of the unadulterated White race. It is not by chance that the ancient Greeks saw this in all of their gods. White people were once gods and what we call White people today, are somewhat polluted descendants of those gods. When they gave their "fire" to the other races, they debased themselves and devolved towards those people who inhabited the Biblical region known as Nod. The only way up and out of our present pathetic condition, is separation, absolute and final. It is within our power to see that each future generation is better than the preceding, in mind, spirit and body. This is the only cosmic goal worth pursuing.
Gen:4:16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Gen:4:17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Adam's home was Eden and "non-Eden" -- outside of Eden -- was a place of exile where Cain was forced to go. He certainly could not have found a woman if Nod were not inhabited at the time.

[QUOTE=El Duce]It's very difficult to find recessive characteristics among dominant ones but very easy to find dominant characteristics among those recessive. Therefore, the key to "who is white" should focus upon the exclusion of those showing marks of dominant black, or yellow, characteristics. This is as the gods intended. The gods created (White) man in their image and therefore that creation must also be a creator. The White race is the creative race and can only be self-protecting if the slightest bit of adulteration (miscegenation) shows. The tri-colors of the lit heavens are yellow (sun), blue (sky) and white (pure clouds). This is the hair, eyes and skin of the unadulterated White race. It is not by chance that the ancient Greeks saw this in all of their gods. White people were once gods and what we call White people today, are somewhat polluted descendants of those gods. When they gave their "fire" to the other races, they debased themselves and devolved towards those people who inhabited the Biblical region known as Nod. The only way up and out of our present pathetic condition, is separation, absolute and final. It is within our power to see that each future generation is better than the preceding, in mind, spirit and body. This is the only cosmic goal worth pursuing.
Gen:4:16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Gen:4:17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Adam's home was Eden and "non-Eden" -- outside of Eden -- was a place of exile where Cain was forced to go. He certainly could not have found a woman if Nod were not inhabited at the time.[/QUOTE]

So when you have no science to back you up, you resort to superstitions? Damn, you've won me over.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]So when you have no science to back you up, you resort to superstitions? Damn, you've won me over.



...[/QUOTE]Greek Septuagint Old Testament vs Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament: The Jews and Their Lies http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/7224/Rick/Septuagint/spindex.htm

All Old Testament quotations used by the New Testament writers come exclusively from the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament and not the much later Hebrew Masoretic text. This is why those New Testament quotations never match the Old Testament source when cross-referenced in your English language Bible of any vintage. Your English language Bible, no matter what translation you use, depends on the Hebrew Masoretic O.T. and not the Greek Septuagint O.T. that was used by the authors of the New Testament! The partial exception to this rule are some of the English translations ('Catholic Bibles) based on the Latin Vulgate.

Dead Sea Scrolls scandal:The Zionist Jewish government has tried to suppress the Dead Sea Scrolls is that they are not nearly as supportive of the Masoretic text as is claimed by fans of the anti-Christ Jew produced Old Testament (copyright A.D. 1000). Some of the finds more closely parallel the Greek Septuagint rather than the Talmudic Hebrew Masoretic text. Others of the Essene cult Dead Sea Scrolls have significant variations from both the Septuagint and Masoretic and constitute an independent third body of texts. The vast majority have not been available at all to world scholars until quite recently.

http://97.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GR/GREEK_RELIGION.htm
Modern ethnology has arrived at the conviction that the Hellenic nation, like others that have played great parts in history, was the product of a blend of populations, the conquering tribes of Aryan descent coming from the north and settling among and upon certain pre-Hellenic Mediterranean stocks. The conclusion that is naturally drawn from this is that Hellenic religion is also the product of a blend of early Aryan or Indo-Germanic beliefs with the cult-ideas and practices of the Mediterranean area that were from of old indigenous in the lands which the later invaders conquered.


bookmark thishttp://1911encyclopedia.org/index.htm

[QUOTE=Rounder]That gook keeps yelling "science" to back up it's anti-White arguments. But yet it refuses to address my twice stated fact that over 98 percent of the world's greatest/most important scientific discoveries, inventions, and medical innovations were given to the world by White Aryans.

Source: World almanac (look under the letter "I" for "Inventions").

And it hiliariously brags about gooks with green eyes, and light hair. Like the gooks could procreate those features on their own, without injections of Aryan semen. Name one single green eyed, light haired gook without Aryan genes, you spin-doctor piece of gook-puke, you.

Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]Without Aryan infusion, pure blooded Asian in stature is 5-5 dark thick hair, dark eyes, yellow skin.

http://www.faem.com/adlib/2000/3races.jpgOne giant step for mankind?
Tell me exactly what each race contributed to manned space flight, electricity.

[QUOTE=El Duce]http://www.faem.com/adlib/2000/3races.jpg[/QUOTE] Jew analysis of human gene trees from different populations showed that, rather than evolving simultaneously in several parts of the globe as some scientists believe, humans migrated out of Africa in expansions and did not replace existing populations but mixed with them."

Rounder, Don’t even bother responding , these people keep rehashing your past as if they never did anything wrong in their lives. The're just clogging up this forum into useless garbage site

[QUOTE=Rounder]I only get amused and contented when "they" resort to name-calling in place of debate. Name calling is the dying gasp of lost arguments, and a surrendering to the superior debater.[/QUOTE]Well then , we should keep personal debates in a thread so as to not clog up existing political debate threads .

[QUOTE=Keystone]I don't have a problem with you siring mixed children, I have a problem with you abandoning them and then ranting on about racial purity.

You could have been a white proponent and still raised the kids you created.

Anima is a Eurasian, but he's pretty damn intelligent. You could have done a lot worse.

You are being a hypocrite, plain and simple.

P.S. It's hard to believe you are over 60 years old. You would think some wisdom and common sense would have set in by now.[/QUOTE]





Go find another forum, sir.





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And it hiliariously brags about gooks with green eyes, and light hair. Like the gooks could procreate those features on their own, without injections of Aryan semen. Name one single green eyed, light haired gook without Aryan genes, you spin-doctor piece of gook-puke, you.

Ooh, such vile trash. You're a naughty boy! No kidding there's white genes amongst eurasians, that's the very definition of eurasian.

But eurasians aside, you are trying to objectify something purely subjective. Apparently you find a full blooded asian woman appealing enough to fuck her. I could care less what you think asians look like, that doesn't change their very high intelligence.

To me, there is no greater beauty than half white half asian females. It's subjective, I'm sorry if you can't recognize my opinion. But that's exactly what it is.


Jew analysis of human gene trees from different populations showed that, rather than evolving simultaneously in several parts of the globe as some scientists believe, humans migrated out of Africa in expansions and did not replace existing populations but mixed with them


Multiregionalism is dead. It's been refuted by DNA tests and genetic markers. Not jewish social science, but black and white science. But you'll gobble up anything that fits your ear, won't you?


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Been busy, but I'm back now, gooklet. Go now to post #178 of this thread and edit it so the second quote does not appear to be mine. NOW BOY!
You speak of asians like they should be on a pedestal. Yet you, the spokesman for them, have no honor. KISS THE RING- OR PERISH!

At the end of the day both mudslims and kikes are alian invaders. We should always remember that as white people we are superior to all others. It is true that the slant eyed types are clever buggars, but they only copy aryan inventiveness. Therefore we are forced to conclude that the white race is above all others.

Be proud of that!

[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]At the end of the day both mudslims and kikes are alian invaders. We should always remember that as white people we are superior to all others. It is true that the slant eyed types are clever buggars, but they only copy aryan inventiveness. Therefore we are forced to conclude that the white race is above all others.

Be proud of that![/QUOTE]Islam is the fastest growing religion in the U.S. As they pile up within our borders, ZOG foreign policy makes sure they become our enemies. The New York City taxi busines is now affected by the holy day Ramadan whereby the Islamic drivers simply walk off the job to attend a mosque. HA!

[QUOTE=Keystone]I don't have a problem with you siring mixed children, I have a problem with you abandoning them and then ranting on about racial purity.

You could have been a white proponent and still raised the kids you created.

Anima is a Eurasian, but he's pretty damn intelligent. You could have done a lot worse.

You are being a hypocrite, plain and simple.

.[/QUOTE]What gives you the right to judge someone else’s decision for leaving mixed breed which is not of his making, but her’s. Men leave the offspring which is not of his own is nature instinct. Women will capitulate most of the time for the provider, as was in Vietnam, after the war, hundreds of thousands of mixed breed Vietnamese and mothers were airlifted to the U.S , in the land of milk and honey.- The U.S gov is responsible for this policy allowing troops to intermingle with aliens, thus risking their health, and demographic biological change.


For you to espouse the up-bringing of mixed breed is to deny his natural sires. Hence, you’re anti-nature.

Negros like to breed up too. To negros and mulattos, there is no greater beauty than yet another yellow, mush-nosed mixed-breed pikkaninny. We've all seen the Congoid mammies smiling indulgently on their monstrous monkey/man progeny in the aisles of Walmart.
Few on this forum agree with their sentiment.
You are the only entity here that celebrates miscegenation. Your input is as appropriate and valuable to this forum as that of any mixbreed, mulatto, or other form of human mule.
Which is to say; screw you, go to hell. Find yourself another forum to celebrate the jewish agenda on.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]

To me, there is no greater beauty than half white half asian females. It's subjective, I'm sorry if you can't recognize my opinion. But that's exactly what it is.
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[QUOTE=El Duce]Jew analysis of human gene trees from different populations showed that, rather than evolving simultaneously in several parts of the globe as some scientists believe, humans migrated out of Africa in expansions and did not replace existing populations but mixed with them."[/QUOTE]

The opinion that I assume you are attempting to describe is neither inaccurate nor restricted to "Jewish analysis".

What is with the last bit? If the "Out of Africa" theory is correct, there were no 'existing populations'.

I'm no physical anthropologist, but personally I am highly suspect of all those theories presented via our jew tube's History Channel, etc. It's all so damn politically corect/jewish approved. Know what I mean?

You're no "anything".

You wouldn't know science or fact if it bit you in the ass.



And you still conveniently ignore the World Almanac. The World Almanac, you evasive, spin-doctor, kike-like gook, you. Respond to it, or shut the hell up.


No dumbass, you respond to my claims responding asian IQ and brown haired white IQ. I've already responded to your claim about the almanac, and the context in which it should be viewed.

You forget the more advanced civilization prior to the last 500 years. But I don't know why I waste my keystrokes on you. You are a lemming. You have no ability to process information or any higher cognitive ability.


It is true that the slant eyed types are clever buggars, but they only copy aryan inventiveness. Therefore we are forced to conclude that the white race is above all others.

Really? Then why were asians ahead of European for over 2000 years? How long do I have to spend refuting this chain-mailed bullshit?


Hence, you’re anti-nature

Idiots such as yourself have no room to discuss nature or science. Nice try, though.


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[QUOTE=Rounder]Aha!! So that's the gook's claim to fame, ie., alleged "Asian civilizations, inventions, and scientific discoveries prior to the 16th century."

Oh my God, I've been arguing all this time with a slit-eyed, midget Rip Van Winkle with allusions of racial grandeur, based on PC/jew written ancient "history", which the gook calls "nature and science".
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Alleged? No it's the reality.


You're utterly pathetic. I have no other words to describe you. It must be nice living in dream world; any truth that disturbs your feeble viewpoint can easily be shown the door by calling it "jewish", regardless of any proof or evidence to the contrary.

Keep it up 'rounda', you make of a mockery of intelligent europeans everywhere. Welcome to the real word, you dysgenic heap of trash.



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[QUOTE=Comrade Chlora]The opinion that I assume you are attempting to describe is neither inaccurate nor restricted to "Jewish analysis".

What is with the last bit? If the "Out of Africa" theory is correct, there were no 'existing populations'.[/QUOTE]All species (that goes for humanoids as well)evolved simultaneously in several parts of the globe, as more and more scientists believe, but held, and confined from speaking out.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Dysgenic heap of trash? What? The definition of dysgenic is: "causing the deterioration of hereditary qualities". Therefore, dysgenic is precisely what you already said your daddy did when he made you a half-breed. So, your daddy's the dysgenic, not me. I'm a full blooded caucasoid. It is you who are the mixed breeded mongrel, by your own admission. (Go back to your freakin dictionary).[/quote]

Sir, I'm pretty sure your intelligence is at least a standard deviation below the general populace. And if you want to be really precise, the average Eurasian IQ would be 103. So even on a mass scale, I'm three points ahead of you, and I'm being generous assuming you're (and me) average.


And while you're at it, read that World Almanac article on "inventions" once again, and then come back here and fess up to the facts stated in it. You ain't said shit about that article

I already dealt with this issue. Got it, fatass?



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[QUOTE=El Duce]All species (that goes for humanoids as well)evolved simultaneously in several parts of the globe, as more and more scientists believe, but held, and confined from speaking out.[/QUOTE]


You want to respond to the articles I cited debunking multiregionalism?


Multiregionalism is refuted. Debunked. The only people who cling to it are the factually challenged, such as yourself.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You want to respond to the articles I cited debunking multiregionalism?


Multiregionalism is refuted. Debunked. The only people who cling to it are the factually challenged, such as yourself.


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Hey Linder! Why this guy isn't in opp forum is beyond me!!!

[QUOTE=Steve B]Hey Linder! Why this guy isn't in opp forum is beyond me!!![/QUOTE]

I am taking purely a defensive stance here.

You're the one who refuses to give credit where credit is due. I don't have that problem, why do you?


And what does multiregionalism have to do with nationalism? Absolutely nothing. Good lord Steve, use those brain cells. What's left of them after the Vodka runs its course, anyways..


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]I am taking purely a defensive stance here.

You're the one who refuses to give credit where credit is due. I don't have that problem, why do you?


And what does multiregionalism have to do with nationalism? Absolutely nothing. Good lord Steve, use those brain cells. What's left of them after the Vodka runs its course, anyways..


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The majority of your threads now, whether there's merit in your points or not, become you calling every White fellow an idiot or cretin. Further, they have a propensity in turning into Asian Acomplishments 101 . Surely, this isn't the intended purpose of the forum. Well, other than the Opp. section.

Btw, which of C. Murray's books have you read?

[QUOTE=Intrepid]The majority of your threads now, whether there's merit in your points or not, become you calling every White fellow an idiot or cretin. [/quote]

No, I only call the idiots the idiots. Moreover, I only resort to ad hominem if I am attacked in the same method. I'm civil to those who are civil to me.



Further, they have a propensity in turning into Asian Acomplishments 101 . Surely, this isn't the intended purpose of the forum. Well, other than the Opp. section.

Who turned this into asian accomplishments? If some idiot is going to claim with a straight face asians are stupid then I'm going to correct him. I don't go around talking about asian accomplishments, and you know it.



Btw, which of C. Murray's books have you read?

I've read a (very) abridged version of the Bell Curve (consisting mostly of the data itself).

Apparently the Bell Curve has a plethora of errors in it (argued by Jewish marxists such as Gould, no less), so that's why I cite Rushton and Lynn's data when talking about intelligence.


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Why is this thread dominated by a non-White? This is not about some crazed Japs-eye, but about how we as Whites see and respond to Islamic filth. Now, getting back-on track..... I view Islam with undiluted hatred, just straight down the middle- pure fucking hate for all things Islamic.


[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]
To me, there is no greater beauty than half white half asian females. It's subjective, I'm sorry if you can't recognize my opinion. But that's exactly what it is.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly why gooks have not been neglected in my homeland..... :D

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3548219.stm

[QUOTE=MASTY]Why is this thread dominated by a non-White?[/quote]

Because there's a serious dearth of anyone with the intellect to refute my posts.


This is not about some crazed Japs-eye, but about how we as Whites see and respond to Islamic filth. Now, getting back-on track..... I view Islam with undiluted hatred, just straight down the middle- pure fucking hate for all things Islamic.

I can agree here. But you better watch out, some here "admire" them for their fight against "ZOG".


This is exactly why gooks have not been neglected in my homeland..... :D

I agree. Good job.



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Look little gook asshole. Fix your deceptive post #178. NOW. Slant-eyed bastard afraid he can't win a staight arguement, falls back on deception. I have no problem hanging for my words. But I won't stand for some gooklet putting words in my mouth. Incorrectly spelled ones at that.
I bet you won't be showing up at Rounder's proposed hoe-down. Up for a real challenge? Say the shit you've been saying, in daylight, with me standing right next to you. Bet you wouldn't dare.
You are promoting the mixing of White with asian to get your fantasy woman. Why are you still roaming free here? Surely there is a forum for your wretched taste. But I guess whole blooded asians have no use for your race mixing agenda either.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Because there's a serious dearth of anyone with the intellect to refute my posts.[/QUOTE]

Yer sadly deluding yer-self if ye think ANY-ONE gives a fcuk what you've got to say. Know yer place- gook, yer a non-White and you'll always be a non-White, get used to it.

[QUOTE=yer-man]
I can agree here. But you better watch out, some here "admire" them for their fight against "ZOG".[/QUOTE]

duh-huh, and some good folks would also say that Islam and Jewry are 2 sides of the same coin. That makes no difference to me, I hate all non-Whites equally.

[QUOTE=yer-man]
I agree. Good job.
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I find it kinda strange, but none-the-less refreshing that a gook would say its a "good job" that his fellow Japs-eyes are being violently targeted and openly ostracized from a White-Country(northern ireland).

aahahahahaaa..... :rolleyes:

Rounder, don’t get too rouled up on IQ numbers. As I ‘ve stated here before on this thread, IQ testing is not an indicator of real life intelligence, but academia propaganda scheme money business. BrightonBNP” said it well(It is true that the slant eyed types are clever buggars, but they only copy aryan inventiveness. Therefore we are forced to conclude that the white race is above all others)


Anima, Your presence here in this forum clearly show your allegiance pride to your kind. It's reasonable to say you should be with your kinsman in the opposition forum.

[QUOTE=MASTY]Yer sadly deluding yer-self if ye think ANY-ONE gives a fcuk what you've got to say. Know yer place- gook, yer a non-White and you'll always be a non-White, get used to it.[/quote]

What makes you think I want to be white? Good lord.




duh-huh, and some good folks would also say that Islam and Jewry are 2 sides of the same coin. That makes no difference to me, I hate all non-Whites equally.

Good job, you're a becaon for intellectuals everywhere.


I find it kinda strange, but none-the-less refreshing that a gook would say its a "good job" that his fellow Japs-eyes are being violently targeted and openly ostracized from a White-Country(northern ireland).

It doesn't concern me. I don't feel anymore connected to asians than whites.


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[QUOTE=El Duce]Rounder, don’t get too rouled up on IQ numbers. As I ‘ve stated here before on this thread, IQ testing is not an indicator of real life intelligence, but academia propaganda scheme money business. BrightonBNP” said it well(It is true that the slant eyed types are clever buggars, but they only copy aryan inventiveness. Therefore we are forced to conclude that the white race is above all others)[/quote]

This is too good! How readily your types cite IQ when you want to prove how dumb Mexicans or Blacks are, yet how quickly you put your foot up your own ass when the results show that your white supremacist views are not validated.

Facts suck, huh?


Anima, Your presence here in this forum clearly show your allegiance pride to your kind. It's reasonable to say you should be with your kinsman in the opposition forum.

I have no allegiance to asians. What I am doing, however, is debunking your stupid claims that asians are dumb.



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We can not ally ourselves with the Mudslime, but I admire their fight against the jew. At the end of the day they are killing far more jews than the Aryans are.

Infact, many Aryans are fighting and dying for the good of the jew every day in Iraq.

We should stop fighting the jews wars for them, have we learnt nothing from history!

[QUOTE=STORMSOLDAAT]We can not ally ourselves with the Mudslime, but I admire their fight against the jew. At the end of the day they are killing far more jews than the Aryans are.[/QUOTE]

I know full-well what yer saying- on a global-scale, yeah- I'd have to agree with ye- BOTH International Jewry and the Islamic tidal wave pose an equal threat, but where Iam- all I see is non-White Islamic filth infecting almost-half of this once-White Northern English town, which is mirrored in virtually every Town and City- up and down the country. Thankfully the 'friday-call-to-prayer' is out of range where we live, but whenever we venture in to Town- its clearly audible, via their foreign chanting on the loudspeaker/tannoy systems they place above their countless Mosques they inhabit on British soil. Soz mate, but I could NEVER bring my-self to admire a filthy Muslim, for any reason.

C XVIII.

[QUOTE=MASTY]I know full-well what yer saying- on a global-scale, yeah- I'd have to agree with ye- BOTH International Jewry and the Islamic tidal wave pose an equal threat, but where Iam- all I see is non-White Islamic filth infecting almost-half of this once-White Northern English town, which is mirrored in virtually every Town and City- up and down the country. Thankfully the 'friday-call-to-prayer' is out of range where we live, but whenever we venture in to Town- its clearly audible, via their foreign chanting on the loudspeaker/tannoy systems they place above their countless Mosques they inhabit on British soil. Soz mate, but I could NEVER bring my-self to admire a filthy Muslim, for any reason.
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Who do you think let the Muslims in? Some say Jews, other say weak willed white politicians.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Who do you think let the Muslims in? [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Some say Jews, other say weak willed white politicians.[/COLOR]
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It's obviously a nice little combination of both.

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]It's obviously a nice little combination of both.[/QUOTE]


Yes, at least here in the states.


Jews have much more influence here in America, I would argue (at least over legislation). Somehow I think the immigration problem in Europe has a significantly diminished Jewish role compared to America.



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There is only one God and Mohammed is his prophet. ALLAHU AKBAR!

I was so temped to vote for the above option! :D :D

Mohammed was just another raghead who liked to fuck children!

David Myatt would vote it if he were here!

[QUOTE=STORMSOLDAAT]There is only one God and Mohammed is his prophet. ALLAHU AKBAR!

I was so temped to vote for the above option! :D :D

Mohammed was just another raghead who liked to fuck children![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Yes, at least here in the states.


Jews have much more influence here in America, I would argue (at least over legislation). Somehow I think the immigration problem in Europe has a significantly diminished Jewish role compared to America.[/QUOTE]The European immigration problem does indeed have a jewish root, no matter if its direct or indirect. Any white European politician allowing mass non-white immigration is influenced by marxism/socialism, which, of course, was and is propagated by jews.

Like you said in your last post, it is more of traitor white politicians passing the laws in Europe, while there are more jews durectly involved in the American legislation process. But the traitor whites have been re-educated by the jew so in the end it's all the same. They're just mental jews.

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]Like you said in your last post, it is more of traitor white politicians passing the laws in Europe, while there are more jews durectly involved in the American legislation process. [COLOR=Sienna]But the traitor whites have been re-educated by the jew so in the end it's all the same. They're just mental jews.[/QUOTE][/COLOR]


Yes, many of these Politicians have been re-educated by the jews, but don't think that at least some of them are not aware of what is going on. At this point they care much more about maintaining their status then us. And in some ways, that makes them much worse. They are certainly not going to rock the boat if it means them losing their money and whatever power they think they have.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Always apologizing for the kikes, ain't ya gook? You really do love them, don't you? After all, without the kikes, you gooks wouldn't even be in White nations. Somebody kick this gook-puke over to the opposition forum, where all mongrels, including half-breed ones like him, belong.[/quote]

Keep bleating, you fat piece of shit. Who's apologizing for Jews?

Reread my post, you obscurantist. :D


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[QUOTE=Robert Stack]Are any of the gook loving moderators going to ban you now?¿ :confused:[/QUOTE]


I'm glad you have something relevent to contribute. When you can't win an argument, do you always cry for the banning of your opponent?

Although I am being generous by assuming you even made an argument.


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[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2]
, perhaps we should encourage the muslims to slaughter xtians/jews while encouraging xtians/jews to slaughter muslims. Simple , eh? And cui bono? Who benefits? Well, atheistic White Nationalists, of course. . [/SIZE][/QUOTE]


WTF?
yes, we should encourage Muslims to slaughter white Christians. What a great idea :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Rounder]I think I'm the only one on here with the balls to state the freakin obvious facts about Arabs/Muslims. The rest of you are afraid of criticism, and remind me of Americans during WWII afraid to criticise the Allies while the Allies were butchering tens-of-millions of Aryans in Europe.

There is virtually NO RESISTANCE among Whites against the jews. The jews are enslaving us while committing genocide against our Race. Do you follow me so far? Since we offer almost no resistance ourselves because of our cowardice, (anonymous cowardice, at that) we ought to at least refrain from hating those who do offer resistance.

Do you idiots want ZOG (international jewry) to defeat the last violent hostile and organized resistance to them, namely the Muslims/Arabs? Is that what you want? Do you want 1.3 billion Muslims defeated, tamed, and enslaved by the jews like us, so they will be far more palatible to race-mixing with our people?

And when WE defeat them for the benefit of the jews, who else will violently combat the jews who are enslaving us, and destroying our Race? Anonymous net nazis???

Praise the Arab suicide bombers in Israel? There are hundreds of thousands of them with the guts and with hatred for the jews to sacrifice their own lives just to kill them. And HELL YES, the enemies of my jew enemies, are my friends. Even apes and baboons would be my friends if they were killing jews.

It is entirely possible (maybe even probable) that our last chance to save our Race, lies in an Arab/Muslim victory over ZOG/international jewry.

The jews are by far, our main enemies. And until we have gained our freedom from them, everything else is distraction. Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]

Before I pull down my pants to see if I have another point to argue about with you, I’ll answer this opinion of yours toward our loving friends the Arabs, Turks, Apes and Baboons.
1st of all, neither the Arabs, Turks, Negroes or Jews are our enemies as long as they live where they belong and don’t meddle into our affairs or do destructive things to the environment which will someday undermine us. Once they cross that line, I start to agree with you. Negroes, Jews, Gypsies and other non-Whites are living in our society and you expect us to repell only the Jew. Some Moslems (not all of them fight the Jew) are fighting

the Zionists for reasons that have nothing to do with our interests. In other words, they are not fighting ZOG to liberate us. They are fighting ZOG exclusively for their own reasons. This issue starts to affect us, when their theater of conflict spills over to our societies.
I don’t like the way many non-White races treat animals.
I don’t like the way some of them treat women and children.
I don’t like the way some of them overfish.
I don’t like the way many of them deforest their countries.
You have not once adressed these issues or any other parallel to those.
I don’t want Jews, Arabs, Negroes, Asians and whatever else, in my society. They follow their own agenda, as a group and seek eventual rule through demographic advantage.
If an encyclopedia salesman talks my parents to boredom with a 4 hour sales pitch, ¿are my parents to get angry with them for trying to make a buck, or are they to anger with me for opening the door after I was warned not to open doors to strangers? The same question can be asked, referring to foreign elements on our soil.
As a hobby gardner, I can translate your sort of reasoning this way: Gophers destroy my crops, this year, for example. My jealous neighbor salts my soil so that nothing grows. The Gophers invade my neighbors garden, destroying his/her crops. Now, the Gopher is suddenly my friend.In the end, both I and my neighbor starve

I respect muslims in terms of letting them do what they want to do without them bothering us...suspision in terms of ONLY being allies, but never friends.

They can be usefull.

[QUOTE=Rounder]I think I'm the only one on here with the balls to state the freakin obvious facts about Arabs/Muslims. The rest of you are afraid of criticism, .............

The jews are by far, our main enemies. And until we have gained our freedom from them, everything else is distraction. Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]

I think you are right that people are afraid to agree with you. But probably it's less because of fear of criticism, than fear of prosecution.

What I mean by this is that at this time, the US government has hudreds of Muslims rotting at Gitmo, not being held either as enemy prisoners of war according to the Geneva conventions-- nor held as criminals, in which case they should have either been shot already or at a minimum released back to the custody of Afghanistan and put on trial-- nor held as criminals and tried in US courts-- nothing. In short, they are non-persons held as detainees and the world cowers at the might of the US/Izrahell combine and raises few objections to this ongoing violation of international law. It's about as "legal" as was "nuremberg," in a word, NOT legal, or ILLEGAL according to a good hundred years of international law and centuries more of similar European customs and Christian-Catholic-Acquinas-Aristotelian philosophy of "just war" going back to the pagan Greeks, which underlies what is now called "international law" since nobody wants to call it either European or Christian or Western or anything.

Its worth noting that there is a similar distinction drawn in Islam to Christianity, ie, between combattants and non-combattants. If you're familiar with the Crusades, that is part of the equation. Violations of that distinction by both sides were agreed to be wrongful by both. Today, the lying Jews would have us believe that a) such a distinction is non-existent (jews love to prey on the weak, especially the women and children of their enemies) b) if there is such a distinction it's because of the wonderful "judeo-christian" tradition (YUCK-NO SUCH THING) instead of European customs or as I said, an old intellectual tradition of Europe called "just war doctrine" started by Aristotle and developed by St Thomas Acquinas, and c) they want us to despise all Muslims, not just combattants or terrorists ie insurgents, but all of them man woman and child, in preparation for the day when the kikes rise up like Joshua to put them all to the sword like the Amalekites or Jerhico or what have you. In short, kikes lie, about Muslims, to us, to make us their pawns in their long running fued.

Back to fear of prosecution. People understand instinctively that WN is "safe" up to a point. That point is where it meets real action. Whether that is RJM or OBL, either way people dont want to end up in Gitmo getting hosed down and left to freeze overnight laying on a cold slab, or getting fucked in prison by nigger gangs, and people have those two "outcomes" in mind when it comes to real life "resistance." To illustrate, Read this:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36533

A Saudi graduate student in the U.S. believed to have ties to close associates of Osama bin Laden was indicted yesterday on charges he provided material support to terrorists.


Saudi student Sami Omar al-Hussayen

The University of Idaho student, Sami Omar al-Hussayen, 33, created websites to recruit members for terrorist groups and raise money for their activities, prosecutors charge.

Al-Hussayen, who studied computer science, also is scheduled to go on trial in two weeks on visa fraud charges. He has been in jail since charges were brought against him last February.

U.S. Attorney Tom Moss said al-Hussayen knew computer work would be used "to recruit and to raise funds for violent holy war, or jihad, in Israel, Chechnya and elsewhere, which have involved destruction of property, kidnapping, maiming and murder."

The student's defense attorney, David Nevin, insists his client is innocent.

"I don't see anything that wasn't available to them long ago," he said, according to the Associated Press. "I think they have stalled this off to avoid going ahead with their trial."

Last February, a federal criminal justice source told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer al-Hussayen is a terrorist bagman.

"He's in touch with people who could pick up the phone, call [bin Laden], and he would take the call," the source said.

Investigators said at the time they believed al-Hussayen played a central role in the flow of al-Qaida cash.

Al-Hussayen was in the U.S. on an expired visa at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

His arrest is linked to another indictment returned in February that charged four Arab men living near Syracuse with conspiring to evade U.S. sanctions against Iraq by allegedly funneling $2.7 million to unnamed persons in Baghdad through a charity group called Help the Needy.

Federal officials said the defendants in both cases are connected by their association with the Islamic Assembly of North America, or IANA, the parent group of Help the Needy.

Al-Hussayen traveled to Saudi Arabia for a time in 2000, then again in early 2002, according to the Spokane Spokesman-Review. Last year, the university helped him apply for a visa extension "for continued attendance at this school."

He denounced the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks according to the University of Idaho newspaper, calling them "immoral attacks" on "innocent civilians."

Probing al-Qaida network

Special-Agent-in-Charge Chip Burrus of the FBI's Salt Lake City field office said the investigation began as an intelligence inquiry into al-Qaida's financial network. Criminal justice sources said, according to the Seattle P-I, the FBI used many of the means of electronic surveillance at its disposal including wiretaps and intercepts of e-mails.

The paper reported its August 2002 story on the use of Islamic charities as a conduit to finance terrorism changed the course of the investigation by alerting al-Hussayen and his colleagues. At that time, a Post-Intelligencer reporter unsuccessfully attempted to interview him.

Al-Hussayen is at the nexus of millions of dollars flowing from Saudi Arabia to the United States and from al-Hussayen to individuals and Islamic organizations in the United States as well as Egypt, Canada, Jordan and Pakistan, the Post-Intelligencer said, citing sources, court documents and public statements.

"The story of this case was a man welcomed to the state of Idaho to study at one of the best computer science programs anywhere," Moss said in February. "This is where our government sends people to train."

now that I gave you Suckpoop Joe's account, here is a less biased report:

http://www.saudia-online.com/news2003/newsmar03/news20.shtml

100 FBI Agents Arrest Saudi Student in Night Raid
Essam Al-Ghalib, Arab News Staff

JEDDAH, 11 March 2003 — Over 100 FBI agents raided the graduate student housing unit of the University of Idaho early Friday morning and arrested Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, a 34-year-old Saudi graduate student.

Al-Hussayen, a computer science student at the university since 1999, is facing an 11-count federal indictment for alleged visa fraud and making false statements to the government.

Al-Hussayen has pleaded not guilty.

While Al-Hussayen faces no direct terror-related counts, federal prosecutors allege that he failed to disclose his role in the Islamic Assembly of North America, a Muslim charity based in Michigan whose offices were raided at the time of his arrest.

Charging papers contend that Al-Hussayen maintained websites for the organization that featured “radical Islamic ideology” in order to bring about terrorist acts.

Without elaborating, they further allege that Al-Hussayen kept six US bank accounts through which hundreds of thousands of dollars flowed to the Islamic Assembly of North America and to individuals from Cairo to Islamabad.

“The raid happened in a SWAT-team kind of setup,” said Cynthia Miller, an Idaho lawyer who represented Al-Hussayen in initial court appearances. “We’re talking about a family man with three small children who gets up and prays at dawn every morning.”

Professor Elizabeth Brandt of the University of Idaho College of Law said in a letter sent to Arab News: “The FBI flew in 120 agents, fully armed in riot gear, on two C-17 military aircraft to Moscow, Idaho to arrest one Saudi graduate student for visa fraud. The raid went down at 4.30 a.m., terrorizing not only the student’s wife and three elementary school-aged children but also the families of neighboring students who were awakened by the shouting and lights and were required to remain in their homes until after 8:30 a.m.”

Brandt said the indictment of Al-Hussayen itself “does not comport with the university’s understanding of him.” She and others recall Al-Hussayen as a vocal critic of the Sept. 11 attacks, a man who coordinated a blood drive for victims and walked in a town vigil dedicated to their memory. “I don’t know what evidence they have,” said Michael Whiteman, who directs the University of Idaho ‘s international programs.

“An indictment,” he said, “is an accusation.”

Al-Hussayen’s arrest has jarred Moscow, a college town of about 25,000 that is a close neighbor of Washington State University across the state line in Pullman. And the manner and implications of the episode have proved very worrisome among the university’s 830 foreign students, many of whom are Middle Eastern.

Brandt said students told her that agents confiscated some of their hard drives and told them, erroneously, that they had no right to legal counsel. Officials have defended the timing and nature of their actions as necessary to coincide with related moves in Michigan and New York.

“The INS and FBI are working together using Gestapo tactics to question the students, threatening their immigration status and hence their education if they don’t answer questions which are really aimed at the criminal investigation. They have also threatened their partners and spouses with perjury charges if they don’t talk,” Brandt said.

“Students are terrified,” he added. “Many of them are thinking about leaving.”

A member of the town’s Muslim community, who asked not to be named, said that in the wake of the arrest, “families were taking (their) kids, wrapping them in blankets and sticking them in cars” to avoid their detection should their own homes be raided.

As the day unfolded, Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne credited Al-Hussayen’s arrest in part to post-Sept. 11 security measures, while agents “questioned all the Saudi students ... and a number of other Muslim students, some of whom had possible immigration irregularities,” said Brandt.

QUESTION AE HOW DID THIS TURN OUT? DID THE GOVERNMENT GET THEIR MAN?

ANSWER: NO. CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES. luckily he had the Saudi government hire him a good lawyer, and he didnt have any family here to serve as hostages.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5182439

Saudi student cleared of terror charges
Idaho case seen as test for Patriot Act

BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
Updated: 2:54 p.m. ET June 10, 2004


BOISE, Idaho - A Saudi graduate student was acquitted Thursday of charges that he used his computer expertise to foster terrorism.

The case against Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, 34, was seen as an important test of a provision of the Patriot Act that makes it a crime to provide expert advice or assistance to terrorists. First Amendment advocates called the verdict a victory for free speech.

Al-Hussayen, a computer science student at the University of Idaho, set up and ran Web sites that prosecutors say were used to recruit terrorists, raise money and disseminate inflammatory rhetoric.

His defense maintained that his association with the Web sites was as a Muslim volunteer and computer expert who simply wanted to keep the sites in operation.

Al-Hussayen’s attorneys have argued that he had little to do with the creation of the material posted. And they say the material was protected by the First Amendment right to freedom of expression and was not designed to raise money or recruit militants.

“It was hard to imagine how they could have convicted on the terrorism charges in light of the First Amendment,” said Jack Van Valkenburgh, director of the Idaho chapter of the ACLU. “What I heard from prosecution were only allegations of constitutionally protected speech, so I’m relieved.”

Verdict after 7 days of deliberations
Prosecutors said he turned Web sites of the Islamic Assembly of North America into an Internet network providing information to foster terrorism, particularly in the Middle East and Chechnya.

They cited religious edicts justifying suicide bombings and an invitation to financially support the militant Palestinian organization Hamas in arguing that Al-Hussayen should be convicted.

Al-Hussayen was acquitted on all three terrorism counts, as well as one count of making a false statement and two counts of visa fraud. Jurors could not reach verdicts on three more false statement counts and five additional visa fraud counts, and a mistrial was declared on those charges.

He faced up to 15 years for each of three terrorism charges, 25 years on each visa fraud charge and 5 years on each false statement charge.

The jury reached its verdict after seven days of deliberations and a trial that lasted seven weeks.

Deportation could be next
Al-Hussayen had appeared confident throughout the day, but had no visible reaction as the verdicts were read.

“What he said to me was, ‘Calm down, it’s going to be OK,”’ Al-Hussayen’s lead defense attorney, David Nevin, told a reporter just after the verdict was read.

He faced deportation regardless of the trial’s outcome. His wife and their children returned to Saudi Arabia earlier this year rather than fight deportation.

Al-Hussayen, a member of a prominent family from Riyadh, has been jailed since his February 2003 arrest, continuing to work toward his doctorate from his cell.

John Dickinson, a University of Idaho professor who served as Al-Hussayen’s academic adviser, said he hopes the acquittal “puts an end to a long and terrible aspect of Sami’s life, and I hope he will be reunited with his wife and three children.”

© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2]

So, if one has "no dog in this fight" between the religionists, then one should identify oneself as neutral, so as to escape the coming carnage. And neutral might entail identifying oneself as an atheistic White Nationalist, for instance. "Nazi", if you will. Thus the "Nazis" would only be interested in sticking together to defend against the insanity of the warring religionists all around them. Because I don't believe the muslims will just quit, now that the hornets nest has been poked in such a transparently kosher way.

Please bear in mind that several weeks ago, there were coordinated bombings against about 5 xtian churches in Iraq. So, I may be mistaken, but perhaps that was a slight indication that muslims have no use for christ-insanity either, eh? I could be wrong. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]


So you think you are going to escape the "coming carnage" by not being a Christian? lol That just does not make any kind of sense.

I remember hearing about the bombing of the churches in Iraq. I think they are doing many things partially for shock value. And you would have to agree that they are doing at lot more then bombing churches. Implying they have some huge problem with Christians is exactly what the Jews want everyone to believe, so we continue to fight their wars for them. Did your ideas come from foxnews, msnbc, or cnn? I have read many of the interviews with Osama Bin Laden, and I don't recall him saying much about Christians. I bet anyone can figure out the people who he does have quite a few words about, though.

You know the Jews have to love when the churches are bombed. Acts such as that are great for their "cause".

:D [QUOTE=Anima Eternae]What makes you think I want to be white? Good lord.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say that, and neither did I imply that you wanted to be White.


[QUOTE=THE GOOK]
Good job, you're a becaon for intellectuals everywhere.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
I'm a what now? A becaon?? What the fuck is a becaon when its at home???


[QUOTE=THE GOOK]
It doesn't concern me. I don't feel anymore connected to asians than whites.[/QUOTE]

Yer a fucking Japs-eye, gook- ASIAN. Who are ye trying to kid?

[QUOTE=MASTY]I
Yer a fucking Japs-eye, gook- ASIAN. Who are ye trying to kid?
[/QUOTE]

To be quite frank sir, I am slightly more white than asian.


My epicanthic fold is not very noticible, but it's somewhat there. Maybe 3 on a scale of 1-10?

Green eyes are cool, though.


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]To be quite frank sir, I am slightly more white than asian.


My epicanthic fold is not very noticible, but it's somewhat there. Maybe 3 on a scale of 1-10?[/QUOTE]

You can call yer-self Frank all ye like. On a scale of 1 to 10, yer still an impure half-caste. You may as well be a full-blooded Asian gook for all I care.....

[QUOTE=MASTY]You can call yer-self Frank all ye like. On a scale of 1 to 10, yer still an impure half-caste. You may as well be a full-blooded Asian gook for all I care.....[/QUOTE]



Well, it's a good thing I don't care what the cerebrally challenged think!

I quite enjoy my current racial status, thank you very much.


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[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz]Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel.Kurtz:




[SIZE=2] Oh,well, at least debating loony xtians is entertaining, if not enlightening. I mean, is Hitler Goddess actually implying that islamicists bomb xtian churches among other things, for "shock value"? Hahahahaha. Oh yeah, I can just imagine those jihadists going over their "To Do" lists, when they suddenly realize they haven't fulfilled anything on the line that says "Do something today just for shock value, it doesn't have to really mean anything, just blow yourself up in a suicide bombing to confuse the infidels ". Hahahaha, now that's what I call entertainment!

And, if that wasn't funny enough, you said: "Implying they (muslims) have some huge problem with Christians is exactly what the Jews want everyone to believe." Well, what about the Crusades? Were millions of xtians reading jewish newspapers that exhorted them to travel thousands of miles to kill the hated muslims? Hahahaha, it's as if you've never heard of muslims calling everyone else who doesn't believe in their Allah, "infidels", and only worthy of death. Unbelievable. But, for your own sake, you'd be wise to take your head out of the sand. Ignorance IS NOT bliss, and what you don't know CAN hurt you.

BTW, when you ask: "Did your ideas come from foxnews, msnbc, or cnn?", I must reply, why yes, I learned everything I know by listening to Wolf Blitzer. Hahahahahaha. Such entertainment! And for practically free!! What more could a White guy want? [/SIZE][/QUOTE]



So they don't do anything for shock value? Its actually quite a good tactic that the Jews certainly latch onto. What do you suppose was the purpose of the beheadings, assuming they were actually done by, who we are told?

And I do believe you were not joking when you said you have been listening to Wolf Blitzer, because the rest of what you are "preaching" certainly sounds like the twisted words of some clever Jew. yeah, them Muslims are out to get the infidel Christians, that is one of the reasons why we need to keep bombing and killing them, just like the Jews want us to do. That has been a clever tactic and a source of propaganda from the Jews since day one and you seem to be falling for it. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Colonel.Kurtz
What more could a White guy want?

In your case, a reversal of the lobotomy might be beneficial. Alas, that can't be acomplished, so you lash out like twitchel you are.

[QUOTE=Intrepid]In your case, a reversal of the lobotomy might be beneficial. Alas, that can't be acomplished, so you lash out like twitchel you are.[/QUOTE]



Minus the couple of Jew references, he throws in for good measure, I feel as though The Colonel is trying to give me a Michael Savage approved history lesson. ;) Though, unlike Savage he is not even trying to hide his hatred for the Christians.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] ? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2] Do you loonies never tire of implying that those you deem somehow "disagreeable" are jews? Really, it's just no longer even amusing, i.e., no longer entertaining. So, I'm a little disappointed in your most recent reply; it just wasn't as entertaining as that other one, oh well, c'est la vie. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]



I am not implying that your are a Jew. They are generally much more clever and have a better spin then you. No, you just eat up all their words and believe them as fact.

Originally Posted by Colonel.Kurtz
Oh no! Look who's foolish enough to show up! Where have you been hiding, lying race-traitor? Now that the cat's dragged you in, how's about answering this post from several days ago, you know, the post you've been avoiding like the plague, because you realize what a liar it made of you. Go ahead, answer my last question below:

Mayhaps later, if I'm extremely bored, Katz. Speaking of rebuttals: you've never answered my query about your magical hovel, sans, of course, your convoluted nigger-speak. I'm still waiting on baited breath for...

Btw, are you going to take my advice?

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Why don't you tell the good folk here at VNNF why a rich, lying, race-traitor like you, Decrepit, would be interested in anything having to do with my "beer-bottle-strewn, rat-infested, horrid hovel"? Hahaha, mayhaps you're looking to buy me out so's you can rent it out to your beloved California spics, like your no-morals mom does? No thanks, it ain't for sale, spoiled rich-boy. That's my answer, now you can try backing up your false accusation, dicklick. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Not good enough, lieing simpleton.

Let's burn a few of the precious brain cells you've remaining, Colonel. Okay?

Are you afraid of answering my queries of your magical acquistion of your hovel?

1.) Let me guess: you, like the old Jewish goat, paid for it (edit: your hovel) outright, eh?

2.) I imagine you've never, ever taken out a loan, eh?

3.) Never used a bank?

Do tell. Perhaps some of the unlobotomized VNNers might like to know how you've magically acquired a home without the use of a bank. Could it be... a Miracle? Harharharhar...

Btw, how was the funeral?

This is always a sure sign that these goddamned xtians are not secure with their professed beliefs, else, why the constant attacks against other religions and political beliefs


The same could be asked of you. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack Christianity? The few Christians that are on this board are not, usually the ones that attack others. It is usually people like you, Dr. Antichrist, Or Prozak, etc. Why is that?


So yes, these vile, goddamned xtian "leaders" and priests are the ones who are actually the most in need of the cleansing fire,


This would make a great new signature line for you, hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] I wasn't going to mention my Mother's funeral, but since you asked, I will make some comments on it.

Everything went as well as could be expected until the cocksucking priest had the typical xtian gall to become instant assholes by, in this case, actually bringing politics, and yes, even Hitler into the eulogy of a woman who always tried to remain neutral on politics. This goddamned xtian "leader", after likely being tipped off that there may be agnostics or atheists in the crowd, said to the effect that, unfortunately, the world actually has some, "just a few, unthinking atheistic fools and awful , horrible people like Saddam Hussein and Hitler...." etc, etc. You know, the usual lame effort to degrade the beliefs of others in order to make themselves and their beliefs look better. This is always a sure sign that these goddamned xtians are not secure with their professed beliefs, else, why the constant attacks against other religions and political beliefs, especially at the funeral of someone who was hardly political? "horrible people like Hitler, etc" have nothing whatsoever to do with my Mother's life and death! So yes, these vile, goddamned xtian "leaders" and priests are the ones who are actually the most in need of the cleansing fire, and for now, all I can hope for is that their jewish god damns them to their own everlasting hell. Let me go a step futher and goddamn all you vile xtian pieces of shit. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Golly gee, isn't that a charming little ditty? As H.G. inferenced, perhaps you can't even see the irony in your filthy, anti-White hypocrisy. If you've vacated your soapbox of hate for the majority of European racial stock in this country, I'm still looking for you to refute your blatant lies, Colonel.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] You said: "....your filthy, anti-White hypocrisy". Hey, shit-for-brains, you apparently don't learn from your mistakes do you? Show me where in my post that I used the word "White". [/SIZE][/QUOTE]



Is it really that difficult for you to figure out what he was saying :confused:
Surely you know that many of these Christians that you think are ALL worthy of death are white.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] You said: "....your filthy, anti-White hypocrisy". Hey, shit-for-brains, you apparently don't learn from your mistakes do you? Show me where in my post that I used the word "White". [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, Colonel. I didn't realize you were still in grade school, as I shouldn't have been so harsh on your intellectual frailty. You know, it's difficult to discern these things over the net, young man.

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Is it really that difficult for you to figure out what he was saying :confused:
Surely you know that many of these Christians that you think are ALL worthy of death are white.[/QUOTE]

Being that the Super Asian thread is closed, what's do you mean, Miss Hitler?

Momus, Intrepid, how do you explain the guys that voted no? Do they have a "thing" for Anima too

I bes bery, bery confused.

[QUOTE=Intrepid]Being that the Super Asian thread is closed, what's do you mean, Miss Hitler?



I bes bery, bery confused.[/QUOTE]



Ok, so now you really do have ME confused :confused: lol

[QUOTE=Intrepid]Being that the Super Asian thread is closed, what's do you mean, Miss Hitler?
.[/QUOTE]



So that thread about Anima IS closed. I wonder why?

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Which begs the question: How can anyone calling themselves "White" believe in the lunacy you call christ-insanity? Surely you realize that with time, [COLOR=Red]the only kinds of people still falling for this supersitious lunacy are muds and other assorted low-lifes. [/COLOR] Hahahahaha. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]


Is that a prediction? Are you psychic? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz]Surely you realize that with time, the only kinds of people still falling for this supersitious lunacy are muds and other assorted low-lifes. Hahahahaha.[/QUOTE]

This is simply not true. Bush wasn't elected by muds but by Christian hicks. White atheists (most of whom are liberals) are lifestyling themselves out of existence while Conservative Christian families are getting strong. And remember, like breeds like, Bible thumpers or not. Read it and weep:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FK09Aa02.html

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[QUOTE=hitler goddess]So that thread about Anima IS closed. I wonder why?[/QUOTE]

I don't know why it was closed. I'm still lost on your question, though. What is this thing?

Originally Posted by hitler goddess
Momus, Intrepid, how do you explain the guys that voted no? Do they have a "thing" for Anima too

[QUOTE=Intrepid]I don't know why it was closed. [/QUOTE]

Apparently, my drunken self has revealed a mite to many clues! So solly, I will now go back to my deliverance identity :D

Sooo...Weeee!!!!

[QUOTE=Intrepid]I don't know why it was closed. I'm still lost on your question, though. What is this thing?[/QUOTE]


It is from this quote from Robert Stack:
Vanguard News Network's only "pro-White" [COLOR=Red]White women seem to have a thing for the little gookenheimer. Asians too. It must remind them[/COLOR] of the 'endowment' of their men at home.


I then saw this quote from you: I thought you were expanding on Stack's sarcasm, because I misread your words, I thought you said WOMEN instead of MEN.
Let's see... a name for it? Ah, yes! How about: Sexual travel tips to the Far East for retarded [COLOR=Red]White men[/COLOR], Celebrate you extinction Whitey, or Half Asian, Half Amazin' ]

[QUOTE=torcher88]
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FK09Aa02.html

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Why don't you try just reading the article, colonel. We really don't need all your silly translations.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Wow, that's three misspellings within one sentence!!! That's gotta be a record , eh, xtian??? [/SIZE][/QUOTE]


You are so funny. I shall correct my mistakes now, happy? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]It is from this quote from Robert Stack:



I then saw this quote from you: I thought you were expanding on Stack's sarcasm, because I misread your words, I thought you said WOMEN instead of MEN.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I gotcha. Watch out, though. The young spell checking Colonel is currently stalking you. All of the many "whoosh, whoosh" sounds have got him extremely confused & agitated.

I did read the article. You should try reading my post(s). I never said that spics were White. I am not a Christian. I despise the spic invasion of my country as much as you do. My point was: Christianity is not dying among Whites in America; in fact it's growing.

Maybe as racialists we should be happy that that we have the christians because they are the primary ones reproducing. You want the White race to survive don't you? The average White atheist goes to his grave with one kid. The average christian has perhaps three.

BTW beaners did not vote for Bush by a majority. It was the rural Whites who did. Look at the damn map of election results. Obviously White Christians will not win elections forever given future trends. But they showed they are not anywhere near extinct yet.

Question for Kurtz: if you had to choose between a White Christian future and non-Christian one in which Whites were extinct, which would it be?


[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Here's a quote from your article:
"This does not take into account the higher birthrate of devout Catholics, who tend toward social conservatism. "

[SIZE=2] And, another quote: [/SIZE]

"Catholics have increased, in large measure due to Hispanic immigration."


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[SIZE=2] In other words, the 45 millions of solidly Catholic spics coming across our unguarded borders illegally, are multiplying like rabbits and voting for our Spanish-speaking xtian political wonders like George Bush. Spics ain't White, sorry, but nice try. Besides, you shouldn't believe everything you read in the "Asia Times", hahahahaha. What's the matter, my little dwarf, did you think that I wouldn't read the article you posted? And please notice that your article doesn't even mention Whites, only "Hispanic immigration". Christ-kill-me, anyone reading your lame article could see the general gist that it's mostly because of spic immigration that is causing the phenomena of high birthrates for xtians.

Here's another quote from your article:
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"Where will the children of the future come from? They will come disproportionately from people who are at odds with the modern environment ... or who, out of fundamentalist or chauvinist conviction ... reject the game altogether,"

[SIZE=2] Translation: The children of the future will be mostly spics who have no use for "Whitey's" old European culture and refuse even to speak the English language due to their "chauvinist convictions..". Hey Torcher, I'd suggest you read the articles you post, BEFORE you post them, hmmmk? [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

well professional eulogists rarely say what you want them to. best to leave eulogizing to friends. my dad's best friend had everyone laughing and smiling. and then the presby minister got up and said a lot of bunk. then a priest got up-- long story how this priest showed up at the Presbyterian Church, my dad was pretty friendly with many local Catholics-- and the priest said all this stuff that superficially, was true, but deep down missed the mark. But I'll tell you this much-- the stuff the priest said, served the priest's agenda just fine. I remember it pretty well. I had just got this little sunwheel/celtic cross thing in Copenhagen on my honeymoon, and was going from being a complete atheist to something like our pagan or Odinist friends, and I remember touching that sunwheel on my breastbone, whichs sits there today even, to kind of tune all the mouthy nonsense out, and then I just sat there and felt the pain.

The pain means you're alive. Be thankful for pain. Use the pain as energy to move you forward. Remember your mom your own way.

The sorry fact is, Torcher and Hitler Goddess are somehow both confusing the word "xtianity" with "White".


No, the sorry fact, Colonel, is that you don't seem to recognize that MANY Christians ARE white. Why is that simple fact so hard for you to understand? When you constantly lash out with your bitter hatred of Christians, you are discounting a lot of good and decent white folks. Your divisiveness is becoming quite old.


You want the White race to survive don't you?

He wants SOME of the white race to survive, as long as their NOT white christians, he has made that very clear. :mad:

Christians bleating about christianity on a thread about islam is quite fresh, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz][SIZE=2] Yes, Rounder, this is what I object to the most. I don't care what pissants like catholic priests say to their "flocks" or to people anywhere else, but the son-of-a-bitch had no business bringing his own political agenda to my Mother's funeral. Xtian "leaders" like this are a major reason why thinking Whites have no use for them or the goddamn nonsense they call "religion". [/SIZE][/QUOTE]



I don't know, but I tend to think you are exaggerating just a bit here, and in your little tirade to Intrepid yesterday. I have been to the funerals of both my grandfathers, one of my grandmothers, as well as many distant family members and family friends. And never at even ONE of these funerals, did I ever hear anything even remotely like what you are saying occured at your mother's funeral. I would assume you are trying to further prove your anti-Christian point. Whatever works for you I guess :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Colonel.Kurtz]Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel.Kurtz
"Yes, Rounder, this is what I object to the most. I don't care what pissants like catholic priests say to their "flocks" or to people anywhere else, but the son-of-a-bitch had no business bringing his own political agenda to my Mother's funeral. Xtian "leaders" like this are a major reason why thinking Whites have no use for them or the goddamn nonsense they call "religion". "




[SIZE=2] Before I "jump" to any conclusions regarding your post above, I'd like to know two things:

1. Whether you are implying that I'm fabricating the event of my Mom's death only to make some frivolous and negative points about xtians and xtianity.

2. That, surely, you're not so stupid as to think that there's somehow a "standard" eulogy for every funeral and that therefore you cannot believe that there could be other eulogies than the several you've heard for yourself

Please tell me and the good Volk reading your words, that you're not implying both number 1 and 2. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

*ahem*

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[SIZE=2] Before I "jump" to any conclusions regarding your post above, I'd like to know two things:

1. Whether you are implying that I'm fabricating the event of my Mom's death only to make some frivolous and negative points about xtians and xtianity.

2. That, surely, you're not so stupid as to think that there's somehow a "standard" eulogy for every funeral and that therefore you cannot believe that there could be other eulogies than the several you've heard for yourself

Please tell me and the good Volk reading your words, that you're not implying both number 1 and 2.



As for number 1: Obviously anyone can be lying about anything, this is the net after all. But my guess would be no.

number 2: No, there is certainly no standard eulogy, but I just find it odd that the stuff that you said fits in so perfectly with the anti-christian ideas that many people, on here, including yourself, talk about endlessly. strange, itz.