Gustavson
July 21st, 2010, 01:07 AM
Just one example of the jews fighting against common knowledge:
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It seems there are some editors who would like to give the impression that Mathsci is the main problem in this dispute. I think this is inaccurate. Race and intelligence articles go through frequent flare-ups, and this particular dispute is simply the most recent one. The nature of the dispute remains the same but the characters change. Problematic editors sometimes get banned but there is always a new generation of editors who will pick up the dispute where the last ones left off. Mathsci has not always been a participant in previous disputes which demonstrates that disputes can take place in his absence. During the mediation Mathsci did not participate for more than three months, yet there were still numerous problems.
Nature of the problem
We have a prolonged dispute and a somewhat hostile editing environment conducive to incidents
Prolonged dispute
This dispute started in October 2009, mediation started in November 2009 and has continued into June. That is nine calendar months. A prolonged dispute is unproductive because it sucks in several editors who otherwise would have the time and energy to contribute to other areas of the encyclopedia. The prolonged dispute is primarily the result of SPA editing. Some editors feel so strongly about the subject matter that they would appear to spend all of their non-sleeping time editing race and intelligence articles, 7 days a week, month after month. Such a level of hyperactivity is bound to create neutrality problems because it is difficult for non-SPAs to keep up, unless they morph into SPAs. Being an SPA is not a policy violation, but I think most agree that it is a less than ideal form of editing, and if it becomes detrimental to the encyclopedia it is worthy of administrative action.
Hostile editing environment
This mediation had in total four mediators. One experienced mediator, Xavexgoem stated shortly before he gave up [20]:
"I'm having one helluva time figuring out where to go from here. The straw-poll established nothing, and I'm surprised to see the level of anger among some of you. I still have the suspicion that there's an undercurrent here that I'm not aware of. It's fairly obvious to think of what that would be. Anyone care to fill me in?
This hostile atmosphere has persisted throughout the disputes and was resulted in numerous threads on ANI and WQA.
I think it is time that these problems are brought to an end. Wapondaponda (talk) 07:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Response to Maunsus. Regarding the desired outcome, one of the problems with a 0RR restriction is that it applies only to articles in mainspace. While a 0RR will reduce edit warring on articles, SPAs will still be able to spam talk pages and noticeboards. The failed mediation has 8 archives, and the Talk:Race and intelligence has over 80 archive pages. Over-discussing is also time consuming, energy sapping and unproductive. The talk page could easily grow 80 more archive pages, even without any new information from academia and we would still have a dispute afterwards. In fact the bulk of this dispute has taken place not in the main article, since for about 5 months the article race and intelligence was not edited by most editors who signed on to Mediation as no article editing was part of the mediation agreement. I would prefer an outcome that introduces stability in mainspace, talk pages and noticeboards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race_and_intelligence
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Everyday an uphill battle against jews and fellow-travellers. Get involved! Most of the wikipedians have no idea what they are up against!
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
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It seems there are some editors who would like to give the impression that Mathsci is the main problem in this dispute. I think this is inaccurate. Race and intelligence articles go through frequent flare-ups, and this particular dispute is simply the most recent one. The nature of the dispute remains the same but the characters change. Problematic editors sometimes get banned but there is always a new generation of editors who will pick up the dispute where the last ones left off. Mathsci has not always been a participant in previous disputes which demonstrates that disputes can take place in his absence. During the mediation Mathsci did not participate for more than three months, yet there were still numerous problems.
Nature of the problem
We have a prolonged dispute and a somewhat hostile editing environment conducive to incidents
Prolonged dispute
This dispute started in October 2009, mediation started in November 2009 and has continued into June. That is nine calendar months. A prolonged dispute is unproductive because it sucks in several editors who otherwise would have the time and energy to contribute to other areas of the encyclopedia. The prolonged dispute is primarily the result of SPA editing. Some editors feel so strongly about the subject matter that they would appear to spend all of their non-sleeping time editing race and intelligence articles, 7 days a week, month after month. Such a level of hyperactivity is bound to create neutrality problems because it is difficult for non-SPAs to keep up, unless they morph into SPAs. Being an SPA is not a policy violation, but I think most agree that it is a less than ideal form of editing, and if it becomes detrimental to the encyclopedia it is worthy of administrative action.
Hostile editing environment
This mediation had in total four mediators. One experienced mediator, Xavexgoem stated shortly before he gave up [20]:
"I'm having one helluva time figuring out where to go from here. The straw-poll established nothing, and I'm surprised to see the level of anger among some of you. I still have the suspicion that there's an undercurrent here that I'm not aware of. It's fairly obvious to think of what that would be. Anyone care to fill me in?
This hostile atmosphere has persisted throughout the disputes and was resulted in numerous threads on ANI and WQA.
I think it is time that these problems are brought to an end. Wapondaponda (talk) 07:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Response to Maunsus. Regarding the desired outcome, one of the problems with a 0RR restriction is that it applies only to articles in mainspace. While a 0RR will reduce edit warring on articles, SPAs will still be able to spam talk pages and noticeboards. The failed mediation has 8 archives, and the Talk:Race and intelligence has over 80 archive pages. Over-discussing is also time consuming, energy sapping and unproductive. The talk page could easily grow 80 more archive pages, even without any new information from academia and we would still have a dispute afterwards. In fact the bulk of this dispute has taken place not in the main article, since for about 5 months the article race and intelligence was not edited by most editors who signed on to Mediation as no article editing was part of the mediation agreement. I would prefer an outcome that introduces stability in mainspace, talk pages and noticeboards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race_and_intelligence
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Everyday an uphill battle against jews and fellow-travellers. Get involved! Most of the wikipedians have no idea what they are up against!
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence