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superiorman
11-08-2004, 10:29 AM
They do have balls. U.S millitary has all the advantage in the world... tanks, war planes, and top of the line machine guns yet the Iraqis still fight back

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EAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - Backed by a barrage from warplanes and artillery, American troops fought their way into the western outskirts of Fallujah on Monday, seizing a hospital and two bridges over the Euphrates River in the first stage of a major assault on the insurgent stronghold.

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The U.S. military reported its first casualties of the offensive — two Marines killed when their bulldozer flipped over into the Euphrates. A military spokesman estimated that 42 insurgents were killed across Fallujah in the opening round of attacks.

Four foreigners, including two Moroccans and two unidentified people, were captured when U.S. and Iraqi forces swept into the first objective: Fallujah's main hospital, which the military and Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said was under insurgent control.

Iraqi soldiers stormed through the facility, blasting open doors and pulling handcuffed patients into the halls in search of gunmen.

Allawi said he had given the green light for international and Iraqi forces to launch the long-awaited offensive against Fallujah, considered the strongest bastion of Iraq (news - web sites)'s Sunni insurgents. "We are determined to clean Fallujah of terrorists," he said.

Allawi initially said 38 people were killed in the hospital seizure, but the U.S. military said no one was killed in the hospital operation. A military spokesman later gave a figure of 42 dead across the city since the Fallujah assault began. The spokesman, 1st. Sgt. Steven Valley, said the situation was "fluid" and information on casualties was difficult to pin down.

Doctors in Fallujah reported 10 people killed and 11 wounded during the bombardment overnight.

Throughout the morning, artillery and mortars pounded targets in Fallujah and on its outskirts, and a U.S. jet swooped low to fire rockets at insurgent positions. An AC-130 gunship raked the city all night long with cannon fire, and and before dawn, four 500-pound bombs were dropped, raising orange fireballs over the city's rooftops.

Outside the city. U.S. troops set up mortar positions and filled sandbags in preparation for an anticipated assault. U.S. troops clashed with insurgents in several locations along the outskirts of the city, firing rifle shots as they took cover around corners and behind the doors of their Humvees.

Commanders said the toughest fight was yet to come: when American forces cross to the east bank of the Euphrates and enter the main part of Fallujah — including the Jolan neighborhood where insurgent defenses are believed the strongest.

U.S. commanders have avoided any public estimate on how long it may take to capture Fallujah, where insurgents fought the Marines to a standstill last April in a three-week siege.

Marine commanders have warned the new offensive could bring the heaviest urban fighting since the Vietnam war. Some 10,000 U.S. Marines, Army soldiers and Iraqi forces are around Fallujah, where commanders estimate around 3,000 insurgents are dug in. More than half the civilian population of some 300,000 people is believed to have fled already.

Much depends on whether the bulk of the defenders, believed to be Iraqis from the Fallujah area, decide to risk the destruction of the city or try to slip away in the face of overwhelming force. Foreign jihadis may choose to fight to the end, but it's clear how many of them are still in the city.

Another issue is the role of Iraqi forces fighting alongside the Americans. A National Public Radio correspondent embedded with the Marines outside Fallujah reported desertions among the Iraqis. One Iraqi battalion shrunk from over 500 men down to 170 over the past two week — with 255 members quitting over the weekend, the correspondent said.

Clerics in Fallujah denounced Iraqi troops participating in the assault, calling them the "occupiers' lash on their fellow countrymen."

"We swear by God that we will stand against you in the streets, we will enter your houses and we will slaughter you just like sheep," the clerics said in a statement.

A senior aide to firebrand Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr urged Iraqi forces not to fight alongside U.S. troops.



"We appeal to the Iraqi National Guard and Iraqi police not to help the occupation troops as they want to target the Iraqi people in Fallujah," said Sheikh Abdul-Hadi al-Daraji. The Iraqi troops should not be a tool in the hands of the occupation troops."

In the first foray across the river into Fallujah proper, Marines on Monday morning secured an apartment building in the city's northwest corner, said Capt. Brian Heatherman, of the 3rd Battalion 1st Marine Regiment.

"The Marines have now gained a foothold in the city," said Heatherman, 32.

He said there were some Iraqi casualties as the troops seized the building, where Marines found an improvised bomb hanging above a doorway — one of the many variety of booby traps they expect to come across in the urban battle.

U.S. and Iraqi commanders have vowed to stamp out Sunni Muslim guerrillas controlling Fallujah and other cities north and west of Baghdad ahead of vital January elections.

Allawi said emergency measures would be imposed on Fallujah and Ramadi, another insurgent stronghold nearby, beginning at 6 p.m. Roads and government facilities in the two cities will be closed, all weapons will be banned, Iraq's borders with Syria and Jordan will be closed and Baghdad's international airport will be shut down for 48 hours.

Allawi's government announced Sunday that it was imposing a 60-day state of emergency across Iraq — except for the Kurdish-run north.

One key reason to take Fallujah hospital early was likely to control information: The facility was the main source of Iraqi death tolls during the first U.S. siege of Fallujah in April, and U.S. commanders accused doctors there of exaggerating numbers.

The U.S military said Monday that insurgents had been in control of Fallujah General Hospital — located on the west bank of the Euphrates — and were "forcing the doctors there to release propaganda and false information."

The reports of hundreds of civilians killed in the April siege — and scenes of soccer fields turned into mass graves for the dead — generated strong public outrage in Iraq and elsewhere in the Arab world, prompting the Bush administration to call off the offensive. U.S. officials insisted the numbers were overblown.

The new offensive, launched after sundown Sunday, came after government negotiators reported the failure of last-minute peace talks. "We have no other option but to take the necessary measures to protect Iraqi people from these killers and liberate Fallujah," Allawi said.

The Association of Muslim Scholars, an influential Sunni clerics group that has threatened to boycott elections, condemned the assault on Fallujah, calling it "an illegal and illegitimate action against civilian and innocent people."

Over the weekend, insurgents launched a wave of attacks in central Iraq in an apparent attempt to divert attention away from Fallujah. About 60 people were killed — including two Americans soldiers — and 75 injured.

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Associated Press correspondents Tini Tran, Mariam Fam, Katarina Kratovac and Maggie Michael in Baghdad contributed to this report.

Gladius
11-08-2004, 12:23 PM
If they "fought" a little smarter they could give the US a harder time.

It wouldn't be difficult with a scope on a machine gun to pick those guys off. Let alone at night with infra-red sights.

Old White Goat
11-08-2004, 02:49 PM
What do Iraqi's have to live for?

Shoddy mudbrick houses and 150 degree days?

Thats why they fight, its the only interesting thing to do all day.

What do Americans have to live for?

Big Screen TV's , 3D Video Games, $50,000+ sports cars on easy credit, 3,000+ sq ft homes, air conditioning, internet porn, etc, etc, etc.

In the end, Americans have no reason to kill themselves fighting for a piece of dirt in the desert, but Iraqi's just dont care, its the only interesting thing in their dull lives.

You cant win an invasion against people with nothing to lose and fighting is their recreational activity.

Todd in FL
11-08-2004, 10:38 PM
The U.S. bombs Falluja. The "insurgents" burro into basements while citizens get killed. For every 1 insurgent killed 5 are created. Citizens die by the hand of the usa war machine and the survivors are now freedom fighters. It's a guarantee for the perpetual war machine of ZOG. Another Vietnam and nobody is listening.

I don't respect Muslims. They are fighting only because they have to. Anybody can do that... even niggers... Oh, wait,... they are niggers.

Right Goat?

superiorman
11-08-2004, 11:27 PM
[QUOTE=Todd in FL]The U.S. bombs Falluja. The "insurgents" burro into basements while citizens get killed. For every 1 insurgent killed 5 are created. Citizens die by the hand of the usa war machine and the survivors are now freedom fighters. It's a guarantee for the perpetual war machine of ZOG. Another Vietnam and nobody is listening.

I don't respect Muslims. They are fighting only because they have to. Anybody can do that... even niggers... Oh, wait,... they are niggers.

Right Goat?[/QUOTE]


Not really remember the war agaisn't the serbs? not one American soldier was killed and they killed hundreds of serbs. heck the serbs let America run all over them and they just took the beating and almost never fought back.
Very few people would fight back knowing that at any minute a blackhawk can put a couple of bullets in their heads if the are caught with an ak-47 .

Old White Goat
11-08-2004, 11:28 PM
Yep, they're sand niggers, from way back.

Now if only our 90 million+ various niggers of differing shades in the usa were drafted into service for ZOG and they would kill themselves fighting these Iraqi's, we'd be as they say, killing two nigs with one stone.

Old White Goat
11-08-2004, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=superiorman]Not really remember the war agaisn't the serbs? not one American soldier was killed and they killed hundreds of serbs. heck the serbs let America run all over them and they just took the beating and almost never fought back.
Very few people would fight back knowing that at any minute a blackhawk can put a couple of bullets in their heads if the are caught with an ak-47 .[/QUOTE]

Most likely serbs had a planting season to get back to, and other persuits.

Iraqi's have nothing to live for. They live on a barren rock.

Niggers here in L.A. shoot at police choppers from time to time, saw it on TV even one time, nigger's shooting out his shack with the muzzle flash unsupressed thinking they wont find him, they did though, niggers iz stoopid.

Gladius
11-09-2004, 08:25 AM
In future-esque visions, those guys in the top picture could be us fighting ZOG in the streets when they come hunting for nationalist resistence....if we don't fight we go to re-education camp or Guantomono Bay.

If you've read "Hold Back This Day" by Ward Kendall, you'll know what I mean.

Todd in FL
11-09-2004, 09:38 AM
[QUOTE=superiorman]Not really remember the war agaisn't the serbs? not one American soldier was killed and they killed hundreds of serbs. heck the serbs let America run all over them and they just took the beating and almost never fought back.[/QUOTE]

That's cuz the Serbs have no nationalism between them whereas the Iraqis do and have their religion too plus the UN and the usa have been pummeling them with santions for years they are like the Japanese before Pearl Harbor... desperate.

Gladius
11-09-2004, 10:02 AM
I remember during the Kosovo War that it was Serb nationalism and their goal of a greater Serbia that got them attacked by the UN forces....oh and the mass expulsion of Kosovars of the muslim persuasion.

How funny it was that Slobodan saw the muslim threat in Kosovo and did something about it and Klinton and Jewbright punished them for it. Now, since 9-11, muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq are the enemy ie terrorists.....Sad and hypocritical!

Antiochus Epiphanes
11-09-2004, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=Old White Goat]What do Iraqi's have to live for?

Shoddy mudbrick houses and 150 degree days?

Thats why they fight, its the only interesting thing to do all day.

What do Americans have to live for?

Big Screen TV's , 3D Video Games, $50,000+ sports cars on easy credit, 3,000+ sq ft homes, air conditioning, internet porn, etc, etc, etc.

In the end, Americans have no reason to kill themselves fighting for a piece of dirt in the desert, but Iraqi's just dont care, its the only interesting thing in their dull lives.

You cant win an invasion against people with nothing to lose and fighting is their recreational activity.[/QUOTE]

They have wives who cant divorce them and take whatever they own, cant abort their kids, and dont give them any shit or they can give them a correction without the cops hauling them off to jail. Uncle Schmuely is bringing your internet porn and that kind of life to them and they are smart enough to know it aint all its cracked up to be. Maybe they arent as stupid as you make them out to be. And maybe they still have starch in their sails while Westerners are slack and empty.

they have cities that have existed for thousands of years, hell cities that existed for thousands of years before Rome, and they have comradeship with their neighbors and can go to a local tavern and drink tea or coffee with their friends and smoke the hookah. Then they go home and get sex instead of shit talk and complaints. But you think they have nothing to fight for? They have their communities and their families and their way of life.

ALL THINGS THE WHITE MAN GAVE UP TO THE NIGGERS AND THE JEW WITHOUT MUCH OF A FIGHT.

Auschwitz_Part_II
11-10-2004, 12:52 AM
Here's to a long drawn out battle and victory for the insurgents, uh, I mean Freedom Fighters!! ***RAISES GLASS IN TOAST***