Has anybody here ever read http://www.heaven-words.com , an online book by an anonymus pro-White author?

I thought this passage put things well:

"The early Catholic Church of Rome shifted power away from Paul's Bible, which was then confined to the use of the scholarly clergy who could read Latin, Greek and Hebrew; and concentrated all authority in the Church hierarchy -- headed by the Pope, who was declared the legitimate successor of Peter.

The Jewish cultural invasion of Europe was high-jacked; the spread of Jewish led Christianity that Paul represented was extinguished. It is largely the Roman Catholic Church that had emphasized for centuries the guilt of the Jews for killing Christ.

That tradition died after World war II with the death of the last great Italian Pope: Pius XII. Today we have the guilt of all Whites for the Holocaust. The use of the Holocaust by the Jews is in part revenge against Christian society for the centuries of "guilt" the Jews have suffered because of the Church labeling them "Christ killers" and fomenters of heresy.

The Church was the foundation of Christianity until the Reformation, when the center shifted back to Paul's Bible -- thus focusing on the centrality of the "Chosen People". We must challenge not only Jewish power today in the media, culture, government and the financial markets, but confront the deeper influence they have had over us spiritually. "

interesting website, I will have to look that over.

The only problem is that Jesus Christ, by his own words, was an anti-semite.(using the jews' definition of the word anti-semite) So, the Evangelists, including St. Paul, are only following along with what they had been taught by Jesus Christ.

If you were to take some of Jesus Christ's more pointed quotes concerning jews, and not attribute them to Jesus Christ, and let people guess the author of the quote concerning the jews. I'm sure you would get some real surprises. :D

I take the view of the Protestant Reformers, that the Catholic church evolved closer to Roman paganism than Christianity, and even today many Catholics and unfortunately many non-Catholic Christians are easily manipulated by the only surviving ancient temple cult, that of the jews.

In some ways it is sort of funny, to see these jew or jew educated media commentators speaking about "Evangelical" Christians---Christians whose beliefs are based on the authority of scripture, the written and accepted testimony of the Evangelists i.e. the original apostles and disciples of Christ.

The only problem is that Jesus Christ, by his own words, was an anti-semite.(using the jews' definition of the word anti-semite) So, the Evangelists, including St. Paul, are only following along with what they had been taught by Jesus Christ.

If you were to take some of Jesus Christ's more pointed quotes concerning jews, and not attribute them to Jesus Christ, and let people guess the author of the quote concerning the jews. I'm sure you would get some real surprises. :D

I take the view of the Protestant Reformers, that the Catholic church evolved closer to Roman paganism than Christianity, and even today many Catholics and unfortunately many non-Catholic Christians are easily manipulated by the only surviving ancient temple cult, that of the jews.

In some ways it is sort of funny, to see these jew or jew educated media commentators speaking about "Evangelical" Christians---Christians whose beliefs are based on the authority of scripture, the written and accepted testimony of the Evangelists i.e. the original apostles and disciples of Christ.

methinks we have sampled some of the same reading materials hehehe

I was recently trying to explain to someone, who was ignorantly trying to tell me about "Christianity's Jewish origins," that Christianity is a synthesis of certain semitic ideas or mythic origins or historical occurrences or religious traditions, or all of the above, with European traditions and ideas. This is not my idea really but Oswald Spengler's. Take a look at the book Decline of the West. He called the synthesis of the greco-roman "classical" tradition with the "magian" worldview of the semites, the "Faustian" west.

Anyhow, back to my conversation. So I pointed out to Mr Ignoramus, how Jews did not believe in the afterlife. There is a story in the gospel about this, where the Sadducees ask Christ a trick question about the man with seven wives-- how will be married to him after your this "resurrection?" Well, basically the Sadducees simply did not believe in an afterlife, which was an Aryan idea. The Indo-Aryans had metempsychosis, or reincarnation; the Zoroastrians had something like the notion Christians have; and the Greeks spoke of Hades and the Elysian fields and the Romans Tartarus, the Germanics Valhalla, etc.

In fact, I have Virgil's Aeneid, which I am reading, and it talks about Aeneas descending like Orpheus into the underworld to talk to his dead father. So in point of fact, the Greeks believed in the afterlife, and the Jews did not. As Christianity clearly posits an afterlife, it is more European or Aryan than Jewish in its most fundamental aspect.

The only problem is that Jesus Christ, by his own words, was an anti-semite.(using the jews' definition of the word anti-semite) So, the Evangelists, including St. Paul, are only following along with what they had been taught by Jesus Christ.

Heaven Words deals with this at length. One of the central ideas in this chapter on the history of Catholicism is the idea of Jesus and Christians being the "good jews" by saying and doing thing that at least superficially appear anti-semitic.

Meanwhile, the "bad jews" take advantage of the need for potential enemies to make a distinction between "good jew" and "bad jew" before making summary judgment against the entire jewish tribe when wronged by them.

Revilo Oliver wrote some similar analysis of Christianity as a designer religion centered around an elaborate fraudulent myth, unsubstantiable by independent sources, intentionally ridiculous. It is spoken of by the Heaven Words author as a Trojan horse planted into the collective European psyche to keep us vulnerable to jewish exploitation.

Take for instance the teaching of Jesus the Christ exhorting us to love thine enemy and do good unto to those who persecute you; this alone has poisoned thousands of otherwise rational White people into actions that are very destructive for the elevation of our race.

I bet the very jewish Jesus or Paul or whoever scribed that line had a tough time keeping a straight face while doing so.

You should remember that the jews are an ancient temple cult, one of hundreds of ancient temple cults that existed 2,000 or more years ago. The jews were not exclusive to Palestine, nor were they the only temple cult in that area. The jews had major cult centers in Egypt, Cyprus, Asia Minor, Greece, Italy, North Africa, and possibly France at the time of Christ.

....Revilo Oliver wrote some similar analysis of Christianity as a designer religion centered around an elaborate fraudulent myth, unsubstantiable by independent sources, intentionally ridiculous. It is spoken of by the Heaven Words author as a Trojan horse planted into the collective European psyche to keep us vulnerable to jewish exploitation.

Take for instance the teaching of Jesus the Christ exhorting us to love thine enemy and do good unto to those who persecute you; this alone has poisoned thousands of otherwise rational White people into actions that are very destructive for the elevation of our race.
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Men have a weakness for religion. Jews did not make our minds nature did. The weakness could be and is exploited by non-Jews as well as Jews and the rise or decline in the fortunes of Christianity will leave us more or less the same in terms of our biological nature.

So the ideal religion in my mind, is one that gives men something to believe as religion which is both uplifting to the individual and not harmful to the community. In my opinion the closest thing to that is something like old time Catholicism in need of a different kind of treatment than it received in Vat 2. Not the ideal just the best, and right now far from its peak heading downwards at an alarming pace.

Calling that propensity of men to be religious "a weakness" may not be so accurate. Religiosity, which for me is the injection of meaning and purpose into our thoughts and deeds is a most human character. It separates us from pleasure seeking beasts, although even pleasure seeking itself has been made into a religion.

The reverence for ancestors and nature present in Shintoism, the honor of the virginal maiden becoming with child, hopes that the child will be a savior leader of the race that pre-Jesus "Christianty" centered on are the ideas that attract me, a man of typically American mix of Northern Euro genetics.

Men have a weakness for religion. Jews did not make our minds nature did. The weakness could be and is exploited by non-Jews as well as Jews and the rise or decline in the fortunes of Christianity will leave us more or less the same in terms of our biological nature.

So the ideal religion in my mind, is one that gives men something to believe as religion which is both uplifting to the individual and not harmful to the community. In my opinion the closest thing to that is something like old time Catholicism in need of a different kind of treatment than it received in Vat 2. Not the ideal just the best, and right now far from its peak heading downwards at an alarming pace.

The big problem, in my opinion, with Catholicism is the emphsis on "works" rather than on "faith". This is a very subtle arguement, and a very big difference between Protestantism and Catholicism, and even between Protestants!

This is a debate that goes back to the Reformation and pre-dates Vatican II.

Personally, I think those who put the emphisis on "works" open the door to the jews and other pagans to do mischief. This gets back to the discussion of the Pelagian Heresy. :)

Catholics and some episcopal type Protestants believe that a jew or other pagan can achieve salvation by good "works". The traditional Protestant, and, mainly early American democratic view was that by "faith" alone we can gain salvation---because man is imperfect and even man's best works are imperfect!

This was the attitude of our founding fathers and mothers, expressed in that now forgotten "Great Awakening".

Thanks Polybius but I respectfully disagree. Faith is hard for people like me who never really had it in the Protestant sense of being able to believe the unbelievalbe in my heart. I simply dont.

But "faith" in the Catholic sense, of a community oriented expression of belonging, uttered in a ritual manner, to differentiate one principally from the Jews-- that I can be part of.

As for salvation by works, I think everyone will agree that sitting on one's hindquarters thinking the right thoughts never gets the job done in itself. You have to do things based on your beliefs. WN especially tend to come up short on DOING what they say they BELIEVE.

Of course the most efficient social model has those who are actually good at something employed in that role. Thinkers think. Workers work. Salvation? What is meant by that? I tend to simplify it as that which acts to preserve our genes. Salvation takes faith and work.
When one of my family tree lines stops branching and dies that is a little piece of hell. Eternal life is a long unbroken chain of little Luxi, somehow evolving the wits to escape to another galaxy before the sun burns out.

from Heaven Words:
We are driven to become racists by the invasion of our White nations by peoples who dance to rhythms alien to our common Soul. The Reformation of Western Civilization, set-off by and distanced from the increasing mixed race masses attendant upon us, is possible in a way that was unthinkable when Christian Churches and Democratic institutions still held the respect of patriots.
As important as a sense of unity with our environment is, our independence from an evil world empire is equally compelling. But how are we to think of such abstractions as identity and difference? We can understand the urgency of limits, the boundaries of our physical bodies -- defining ourselves, so that we might not be violated, swallowed up whole by the unacknowledged differences of undefined masses .....streaming colors harbored under the banner of Dame Communism, newly painted red, white and blue.
Our national birth-right is sold down brown colored rivers by wheelers, dealers, and ought-ta-be swingers hanging round deserted light posts ....foolishly waiting for boys from the hood ...not ready to crack a smile. Our identity can only be what we are. Instinct defines the boundaries of our community, not cut-rate laws twisted to wind-falls that fill alien sails and Wall Street shelters.
The priority here is to preserve our racial instinct and restore the primacy of intuition as the ground of a workable culture in lands once governed by free men.

well stated, again:

. . .and the Germans were surely correct in recognizing the corruption of power; however, the Protestant Reformation was to have severe consequences for the West by shifting the center of spiritual authority from the Church to Biblical Christianity, from Rome back to Jerusalem.

For a thousand years, ordinary Christians had not been able to read Holy Scripture themselves; they went to church, where a priest who was one of their own people told these unlettered believers only what they needed to know to find salvation. The destiny of one's eternal soul was in the hands of the local franchise of the Roman Church.

Not until Luther rebelled against the corruption of Rome did the Bible gain direct influence over the minds of Europeans. Despite its corruption, the Catholic Church had stood between the collective Spirit of European peoples and a Bible that portrayed the Jews as God's sacred gift to humanity.

Protestantism stripped away the protection that Roman Mafia provided, making people of the West vulnerable to a self-destructive religion that instilled in them a belief in the divine right of Jewish mastery, and an acceptance of their own servitude.

Lux, I dont think martin luther intended those consequences, but that is pretty much my view as well.

religion is pretty scary stuff. having one official dogma, if nothing else, was at least a "placeholder" that kept worse ideas from carrying people away.

take Catharism for example. Which was a reincarnation of Maniceanism. Nobody had kids, all wives were held in common, what a disaster for the folk! Stamped out and France returned to normal.

"JudeoChristianity" is a counterfeit heresy that needs to be stamped out as well. The pro-White, anti-Jewish critique of Christianity is helping get that done I believe. This is a thing that has legs folks and smart churchmen had better figure out which side they are on because justice will be done in the end.

One of the main criticisms non-Christian White Nationalists have for Christianty are the many ridiculous claims (as Linder likes to point out "the dude that came back from the dead" ). The following passage may shed some light on how the semitic fiction of reincarnations and other miracles were masterfully used against jews by the non-jewish "Christians".

quote:
"While not a historian, I am never-the-less convinced that the early Church Fathers intentionally dogmatized ideas that were antithetical to those held by Jewish Christians. For instance, the dogma of Virgin Birth served a vitally important purpose in the early Church since it justified declaring Ebionite Jewish Christians to be in heresy since they rejected that irrational doctrine. In this light it is possible to make sense of an early Churchman believing a doctrine because it is absurd. For over a thousand years the Church was to justify Inquisitions against Jews throughout Europe on the pretext of heresy, and to do this with the enthusiastic support of local communities of Europeans who did not really care what irrational reasons were given to justify the necessary ....keeping the Jews from gaining financial and cultural control of European society."