I’ve been recently made aware of some things going on in the National Alliance that I as a dues paying member am not happy about. The National Alliance is running another record label other than Resistance. It is called Unholy Records. I recently got a hold of one of the CDs they put out by a band called Nachtmystium. The title is called Reign of the Malicious. On the back it states the band believes in “no politics we represent human extinction”. Another title on their website at http://www.unholyrecords.com/ is Sadoscope with their up coming CD Galleries of Gore. I suggest going to this site and reading the Nachmystium interview. They are actually unfriendly to our cause. They are nihilistic hobbyists that are an embarrassment to our race. Another item for sale on the Resistance Records site is a book called Lords of Chaos The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. Why would we sell this to White kids? Is this going to improve their life in any way? What would Erich Gliebe say to some kid’s parents if that kid committed suicide do to the negative impact of such negative material? Not only does he approve of these items, I was told that this direction is actually his idea! The logic is that skinheads don’t want to buy from Resistance anymore, so Resistance needs to branch out. I can only guess branching out regardless of content. Sell what sells I guess. Pretty soon we’ll be selling porno to make money. This year’s calendar was close enough, with lap dancing strippers on every month. I guess young White girls can look at that as Erich’s way of “trying to build and improve the Alliance so that it will open up a glorious future for our people” as stated by Erich in the July 2003 bulletin. I’d like current members to go to the National Alliance website and listen to an ADV called “Music of the Rebellion” by Dr. Pierce. It’s about the direction he was looking to go with Resistance Records. Then compare that to what Erich is doing. I want you to ask yourselves are you willing to continue to follow such degeneracy. I don’t think I’m going to be able to. We also have this billboard fund. Where are the billboards? I’ve sent money in. Am I the only one? What is Erich actually doing as “Chairman”, other than putting out satanic black metal and hiding from questions? We’ve sunk pretty low haven’t we? I feel sorry for all those well meaning members that constantly stick up for Erich, while Erich extorts their money and doesn’t even stick up for himself. He doesn’t because he knows he’s wrong. The membership is what’s holding the Alliance together not the so-called “leadership”. The leadership is an illusion given to us in a bulletin, that’s it.

Another traitor!

ONETRUTH: I gues I feel sorry for all those well meaning members that constantly stick up for Erich, while Erich extorts their money and doesn’t even stick up for himself. He doesn’t because he knows he’s wrong. The membership is what’s holding the Alliance together not the so-called “leadership”. The leadership is an illusion given to us in a bulletin, that’s it.[/QUOTE]



Eric had his own following long before Dr. Pierce passed away. Some stayed loyal some did not. They either left or were fired by Eric.

Some members who are now in the rank and file were on their way out the door before Dr. Pierce passed away. Their membership was not in good standing at all with Dr. Pierce. and I'm not referring to unpaid membership dues either. Dr. Pierce would work with you on that issue. I'm referring to other situations. In other words they were either going to have to clean up their act or OUT the door they would be. Those people know who they are. New members arent aware of these things and never will they be. The staff that Dr. Pierce had Eric fired or they left in disgust. A lot of the other members such as myself and Will Williams etc. etc. resigned. A lot of the members resigned. So the new members really have no one to talk to. They are limited to information they can get. There is no Membership Handbook for them to refer to anymore. The U.C's are only going to tell them what they can without jepordizing their position with Eric. So this can turn out to be a real problem for them. I'm not at all surprised by this. Speaking of something I said earlier about unpaid membership dues. A friend of mine in the NA phoned me right after Eric was elected Chairman. This guy was having a hard time. He had just been laid off from one job and was in the process of starting a new job. Eric called him up on the phone and bitched the guy out for being late on his membership dues. He explained to Eric his situation. It wasn't that Eric phoned him and reminded him that he was behind, it was Eric's attitude about it and the way he talked to him that pissed my friend off. The point was, Eric wanted the money and he wanted it now. He told my friend he better catch up on his dues pronto or his membership would be out the door. Well, I for one never recall Dr. Pierce EVER having that kind of an attitude with someone regarding their dues. Of course you would be reminded about it but no one would become IRATE about it. I remember one time I was behind on my dues. Billy Roper was the Membership Cor......he never acted like that or got an attitude about it either. Anyway, to make a long story short my friend resigned in disgust over Eric's attitude.
So what you are saying comes as no surprise to me.

Gliebe is going to have one hell of a phone bill this month.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Gliebe is going to have one hell of a phone bill this month.[/QUOTE]



LOL
:D

[QUOTE=Aryan88]...A friend of mine in the NA phoned me right after Eric was elected Chairman. This guy was having a hard time. He had just been laid off from one job and was in the process of starting a new job. Eric called him up on the phone and bitched the guy out for being late on his membership dues. He explained to Eric his situation. It wasn't that Eric phoned him and reminded him that he was behind, it was Eric's attitude about it and the way he talked to him that pissed my friend off. The point was, Eric wanted the money and he wanted it now. He told my friend he better catch up on his dues pronto or his membership would be out the door... Anyway, to make a long story short my friend resigned in disgust over Eric's attitude. So what you are saying comes as no surprise to me.[/QUOTE]

Dave Pringle confirmed for me yesterday that the NA no longer observes Dr. Pierce's strict policy of summarily dropping members -- NO exceptions -- who get six months in arrears in their dues. Gliebe simply keeps sending these dropouts the NA Members BULLETIN and counting them as members in good standing.

Gliebe needed your friend's $10 pretty bad, Aryan88. With the way gas prices are going up and with all the thousands of miles EG puts on his big, brand new gas-guzzling V-8 Jeep Cherokee -- the biggest model possible, with electric seat warmers and all that crap -- running around all over the country from Alliance girlfriend to Alliance girlfriend, the Chairman needs a generous expense account. Dr. Pierce NEVER purchased a new vehicle. He never bought ANY late model vehicles and certainly not with the dues of members. It's no wonder, in retrospect, that Bob Demarais quit the NA board of directors now that Gliebe's financial recklessness and unaccountability have become so widely documented. Dr. Bopb absolutely refused to go along with the rogue chairman's malfeasance.

Atta boy, Dr. Bob, for doing the right thing back then, and moving on, while others called you a "quitter." Your loyalty was rightly with Dr. Pierce's ideas, not to some man who has hijacked them for his personal gain. You will prevail in the end with this harrassment lawsuit by Shaun Walker. Dave Pringle says Walker has already spent over $10,000 of Alliance funds on Charleston lawyers on his ill-advised legal adventure. It will get worse as the loser in the lawsuit, under WV law, will have to pay his adversary's legal expenses. This is a good law, meant to discourage just such frivolous litigation as Walker v. Demarais. Defendant Demarais has, BTW, unlike the plaintiff, been paying his own legal expenses without dipping into his magazine's operating fund.

Yeah and that guy won't even six months behind either. Just two or three. That was one of the main reasons my friend got so pissed off.


LOL Maybe Eric can drive his new Jeep in "Enhanced Mode".

Aryan 88: I know there's alot more corruption on Gliebe's part. I think more people that know about it should come forward. To many people cover for him. Alliance members have every right to know where their dues money and donations are going. They need to be asking some very serious questions. Like one, what the hell does Erich have planned for the Alliance? He's said he will "try to build and improve the Alliance so that it will open up a glorious future for our people". Ok how? Strippers on calendars? Satanic music? Disappearing leaving Shaun Walker to cover his tracks? Is he even down in West Virginia? What about the billboard fund? What should we put on the billboards? How about the cover for the book Lords of Choas with the National Alliance written above it? Does he even do interviews for the press? He's an embarrassment. There's a start I'm waiting for the answers.
From Erich not people that have only met him briefly but think they know what's going on.

[QUOTE=onetruth]Aryan 88: I know there's alot more corruption on Gliebe's part. I think more people that know about it should come forward. To many people cover for him. Alliance members have every right to know where their dues money and donations are going. They need to be asking some very serious questions. Like one, what the hell does Erich have planned for the Alliance? He's said he will "try to build and improve the Alliance so that it will open up a glorious future for our people". Ok how? Strippers on calendars? Satanic music? Disappearing leaving Shaun Walker to cover his tracks? Is he even down in West Virginia? What about the billboard fund? What should we put on the billboards? How about the cover for the book Lords of Choas with the National Alliance written above it? Does he even do interviews for the press? He's an embarrassment. There's a start I'm waiting for the answers.
From Erich not people that have only met him briefly but think they know what's going on.[/QUOTE]

onetruth-these are good questions. I hadn't heard about the billboard fund, Gliebe and Walker are very creative when it comes to ways to shake the membership down for a few more bucks. As for what Gliebe actually does as chairman, not much. He seems to think that his duties consist of talking on the phone about nothing very important, showing up at NAHQ now and then and maybe hauling away another load of merchandise to "use in trades", or a few more of the more valuable books from the library to have "appraised", and giving an occassional speech at a LC in which he recycles another old Dr. Pierce speech or mouths a few slogans about how the NA under his glorious leadership continues to press ahead or some other inane bullshit.

If the NA leadership were open and honest they would meet some of the many questions and charges against them head on, instead of slinking around in the shadows and manipulating the membership into doing it for them. If Gliebe or Walker were honorable about their intentions they would either appoint a spokeman to answer some of the many questions or do it theirselves, openly and honestly, under their own names. The best they have ever been able to do is to use Dave Pringle to come onto VNNF under a screen name and try to distract attention from their activities by using slander and insults. Dave didn't do a very good job of it because deep down I think he knew he was on the wrong side. If Gliebe and Walker have nothing to hide what would stop them from coming out in the open and facing their critics and answering them? They could do it right here, on VNN, and they could start with me. How about it Gleibe, you fucking coward?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's nothing! Gliebe is working on a "big score" with Tom Meztger, Tom Padgett (a convicted scam artist who now runs a psychic hotline) and a nigger named King Kuumba. This same bunch approached Panzerfaust Records a while back but Byron was wise to their scam. All the above expect to be paid $5,000 a month for one year BEFORE the deal goes through. Gliebe is so caught up in trying to make the "big score" that he featured Metzger in the latest Resistance Magazine and when Terrible Tommy heard that Gliebe might speak at the big New Orleans meeting he called Gliebe up (Padgett called me) and told him if he goes "the deal's off." That's what our dues money is going for. This happened in May and was a watershed event for me. Nothing was ever the same.

More to follow, I have to go to work. Tell your friends and neighbors...it's ALL coming out, I am blowing the whistle. The waste, the greed, the inefficiency, the idiocy, the sexual perversion...I want NA members to know what their dues are being wasted on. Gliebe and Walker can call around all they want trying to slander me, saying I left over a simple pay dispute. They are calling around because they are scared shitless…rightfully so!

If any of you would like to ask Erich Gliebe about this record deal feel free to call him at:

Home: 440-230-0068
Cell: 216-262-5988

Or call the NA HQ, that's where he is today 304-653-4707 or 304-653-4982. Gliebe is there because Walker is getting ready to go to the WS Conference and then take another two week vacation to California. I guess he didn't get enough rest when he went to Greece for two weeks.

[QUOTE=onetruth]I’ve been recently made aware of some things going on in the National Alliance that I as a dues paying member am not happy about. The National Alliance is running another record label other than Resistance. It is called Unholy Records. I recently got a hold of one of the CDs they put out by a band called Nachtmystium. The title is called Reign of the Malicious. On the back it states the band believes in “no politics we represent human extinction”. Another title on their website at http://www.unholyrecords.com/ is Sadoscope with their up coming CD Galleries of Gore. I suggest going to this site and reading the Nachmystium interview. They are actually unfriendly to our cause. They are nihilistic hobbyists that are an embarrassment to our race. Another item for sale on the Resistance Records site is a book called Lords of Chaos The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. Why would we sell this to White kids? Is this going to improve their life in any way? What would Erich Gliebe say to some kid’s parents if that kid committed suicide do to the negative impact of such negative material? Not only does he approve of these items, I was told that this direction is actually his idea! The logic is that skinheads don’t want to buy from Resistance anymore, so Resistance needs to branch out. I can only guess branching out regardless of content. Sell what sells I guess. Pretty soon we’ll be selling porno to make money. This year’s calendar was close enough, with lap dancing strippers on every month. I guess young White girls can look at that as Erich’s way of “trying to build and improve the Alliance so that it will open up a glorious future for our people” as stated by Erich in the July 2003 bulletin. I’d like current members to go to the National Alliance website and listen to an ADV called “Music of the Rebellion” by Dr. Pierce. It’s about the direction he was looking to go with Resistance Records. Then compare that to what Erich is doing. I want you to ask yourselves are you willing to continue to follow such degeneracy. I don’t think I’m going to be able to. We also have this billboard fund. Where are the billboards? I’ve sent money in. Am I the only one? What is Erich actually doing as “Chairman”, other than putting out satanic black metal and hiding from questions? We’ve sunk pretty low haven’t we? I feel sorry for all those well meaning members that constantly stick up for Erich, while Erich extorts their money and doesn’t even stick up for himself. He doesn’t because he knows he’s wrong. The membership is what’s holding the Alliance together not the so-called “leadership”. The leadership is an illusion given to us in a bulletin, that’s it.[/QUOTE]

Very good information, thank you for sharing it.

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's nothing! Gliebe is working on a "big score" with Tom Meztger, Tom Padgett (a convicted scam artist who now runs a psychic hotline) and a nigger named King Kuumba. This same bunch approached Panzerfaust Records a while back but Byron was wise to their scam. [/QUOTE]

To be honest, I think Tom Metzger is as much a victim of the scam artists as anyone. It was a pipe dream and typical confidence scam that involved a supposed rap music bigwig who promised to use his distribution connections to get WP music in record stores. Only problem was, it was bullshit: The record company that King Kuumba claimed to be tight with doesn't exist, the "contract" they wanted me to sign was, in the words of our entertainment attorney, "simplistic, primitive, and legally meaningless." One of the scammers was a disbarred lawyer who claimed to be Pablo Escobar's "cartel attorney," another claimed to be friends with all the top rap entertainers, but wanted me and Metzger to "invest" in a movie about Marvin Gaye, etc.......
I advised Metzger not to have anything to do with this bullshit last spring, and that he should steer these scam artists to Resistance, since Gliebe is dumb enough to hide his own Easter eggs. Looks like that is what happened, and I know where Dr. Pierce's life savings ended up, not to mention all the membership dues.
I just hope Metzger stayed clear of it and doesn't get burned as well...........

[QUOTE=onetruth]Another item for sale on the Resistance Records site is a book called Lords of Chaos The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. Why would we sell this to White kids?[/QUOTE]

About 1/3 of this book is a neutral explanation of National Socialism in black metal, most notably including Burzum (Christian Vikernes) and Absurd (Hendrik Moebus).

Nachtmysticum... I always confuse them with the band that had the terrible drum machine, but my guess this is a financial venture; if so, it's a misguided one, since I doubt they're going to reap much from that band.

Is this a Panzerfaust records expedition, or related to Vinland Winds? If so, it's justifiable.

The main thing they should NOT support are moronic thug-bands like Grand Belial's Key.

More research:

Unholy Records is owned by Ymir G. Winter of Grom, an NSBM band. His views can be found in interview form here:

Ymir G. Winter
of GROM

1. what is the essence of national socialism?

The essence of National Socialism is the dedication to Race and
Nation, and the willingness to ultimately die for it. Aryan ideals
and virtues; steadfast honour and chivalry; decent living!

http://www.anus.com/metal/zine/death_metal/issue5.txt

The band Grom is located in Queens NY. Why does Unholy records have an address listed for Marlinton, WV where Shaun Walker lives? Please don't get me wrong I think NSBM is a good trend, but come on the book Lords of Chaos is entertainment for hobbyists not real activists. The new Grom CD is awesome bye the way, too bad they did it with Resistance.

Unholy Records · P.O. Box 255 · Marlinton WV 24954 · USA

http://www.unholyrecords.com

Scroll to the bottom of their site and see for yourself. This is about an 11 hour ride from Queens, NY one way. I think Ymir could have picked a closer spot for a PO Box, don't you? Shaun Walker on the other hand can walk right to this post office. I'll let you draw your own conclusions. $$$$$$$ The new NA

Maybe you could enlighten us with the details of how the NA attempted to "out" Kitti Molz? From what was said you were behind this with Gliebe's encouragement.

Even if true, Pringle wouldn't be the first to regret what they did to prop up the quickly sinking ship of Gliebe's N/A back when they were still in the fold......

[QUOTE=SA Mann]Maybe you could enlighten us with the details of how the NA attempted to "out" Kitti Molz? From what was said you were behind this with Gliebe's encouragement.[/QUOTE]

Right, I outted Kitti Molz...I guess I'm responsible for the Berlin Wall coming down too since I was in Germany when it happened. Kitti's name was featured on the NA's corporate documents and was published to movement people by Overthrow.com long before I asked people to email her, which was all I did. There were even directions to her house published on Overthrow. One of the last conversations I had with her was to offer advice on how to pick out a suitable handgun. Do you really think the "powers-that-be" didn't know about Kitti after all that?

[QUOTE=byron]To be honest, I think Tom Metzger is as much a victim of the scam artists as anyone. It was a pipe dream and typical confidence scam that involved a supposed rap music bigwig who promised to use his distribution connections to get WP music in record stores. Only problem was, it was bullshit: The record company that King Kuumba claimed to be tight with doesn't exist, the "contract" they wanted me to sign was, in the words of our entertainment attorney, "simplistic, primitive, and legally meaningless." One of the scammers was a disbarred lawyer who claimed to be Pablo Escobar's "cartel attorney," another claimed to be friends with all the top rap entertainers, but wanted me and Metzger to "invest" in a movie about Marvin Gaye, etc.......
I advised Metzger not to have anything to do with this bullshit last spring, and that he should steer these scam artists to Resistance, since Gliebe is dumb enough to hide his own Easter eggs. Looks like that is what happened, and I know where Dr. Pierce's life savings ended up, not to mention all the membership dues.
I just hope Metzger stayed clear of it and doesn't get burned as well...........[/QUOTE]

I hope Tom did too. If it weren't for Tom Metzger I would have never known about the movement. I heard about WAR and Metzger while I was serving in Egypt. There was an article in Stars and Stripes about some Nazi being sued by Fox for making Nazi Bart Simpson shirts! Tom isn't the problem here it's Gliebe and Walker and their foot loose and fancy free spending sprees.
Take Gliebe's new Jeep Grand Cherokee for example. Shaun cut Erich a check for $10,000 to buy another car so instead Erich went out and saddled the NA with a $40,000 loan and bought the best. V-8, leather seats, sun roof...the works. The last time I rode in it I noticed that the milage was at almost 80,000 miles. That's some serious road time. There are several members of the Cleveland Unit who completely dropped out of the NA over the new car and the fact that Gliebe's Unit is the only on in the NA that doesn't hold to the financial transparency rule. To quote one member "where does the damn money go? We give money at meetings, we help make money at Eurofests and then he askes for more."

....and more and more and more $$$$$$

[QUOTE=onetruth]The band Grom is located in Queens NY. Why does Unholy records have an address listed for Marlinton, WV where Shaun Walker lives? Please don't get me wrong I think NSBM is a good trend, but come on the book Lords of Chaos is entertainment for hobbyists not real activists. The new Grom CD is awesome bye the way, too bad they did it with Resistance.[/QUOTE]

I think NSBM is at this point a failure for the most part because music quality has dropped rapidly.

Shaun Walker may be behind Unholy Records, but Ymir's fronting it. I generally trust his instincts.

It could be corrupt, or it could not be, but here's the more pressing question... what kind of money do they think they'll make from a genre that presses 1,000 CDs per release?

Also, I disagree on Lords of Chaos. It has helped more people understand the non-Hollywood side of national socialism.

[QUOTE=prozak]
It could be corrupt, or it could not be, but here's the more pressing question... what kind of money do they think they'll make from a genre that presses 1,000 CDs per release?
[/QUOTE]


My main concern isn't whether the music is corrupt or not. My main concern is that much of this music, like the new Grom CD, is being funded with NA dues payer's money. If there are any NA members reading this look at the plug for the new Grom CD in the last monthly BULLETIN. They have about $12,000 tied up in that CD and to date have only sold about 80. Think of how many NA billboards that could have paid for.
Another example is the Gathering of the Gods DVD. Great quality, Mike Murray did an awesome job on it...but...wouldn't a new recruiting DVD have done more good? For a bunch of guys who literally exist off dues payer money you'd think they would put more effort into recruiting more members and giving Activists in the field better recruiting material.
My break is almost over so I'll finish up with one more really good example. If any of you have a copy of "What is the National Alliance?" pamphlet look at the back...it's missing an entire paragraph! What's worse? THEY KNOW IT and have known it for over a year. We tell our members that all locally produced flyers must meet the NA's high standard so we can recruit the right kind of people yet the pamphlet the National Office sells is missing an entire paragraph.

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]They have about $12,000 tied up in that CD and to date have only sold about 80.[/QUOTE]

I can't comment except to say that underground black metal CDs usually break down along these lines:

Production: $500-2000
Pressing: $2000-2500

That's for 1000+ CDs. At this point, in my experience, "black metal" is not selling well at all except for a few large bands (Marduk, Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth).

Unholy records is definately owned and operated by the alliance. I remember when I was still on staff talking to Chris Evans about his plans for designing the site.

Also, take a look at a quick whois on the domain unholyrecords.com:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/results.jhtml;jsessionid=CKUMIYPM021WECWKEAQCFEY?whoistoken=0&_requestid=74049

Registrant:
National Alliance
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV 24946
US
(304) 653-4707


Domain Name: UNHOLYRECORDS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Gliebe, Erich erich@resistance.com
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV 24946
US
(304) 653-4707


Technical Contact:
Gliebe, Erich erich@resistance.com
P.O. Box 330
Hillsboro, WV 24946
US
(304) 653-4707


Record last updated 01-26-2004 02:50:39 PM
Record expires on 08-10-2005
Record created on 08-10-2001

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.RESISTANCE.COM 66.194.152.199
NS2.RESISTANCE.COM 66.194.152.196
I don't see anything about Ymir or grom in there..........
I'm very anxious to see what else Dave's got to say.

-Tom

If people want to learn more about National Socialism they can read Mein Kampf. I'm still a current dues paying Alliance member and I'm just wondering what Gliebe thinks he'll accomplish by selling this book. Are we looking to entertain or educate people? My dues are paying for this stuff to be sold and I'm just voicing my disagreement. I've been sticking up for the Alliance for the past 2 years since Erich came to power. I've never been late with a dues payment for the 6 years I've been a member. I don't mind if you disagree, as long as you are also an Alliance member. Are you? If not I'm more interested in what other Alliance members think that have been members as long as I have. I would still like people to go to the www.natall website and listen to what Dr. Pierce said in his ADV broadcast "Music of the Rebellion" and tell me if he would approve of his organization going in this direction. I can't contiue to be a dues paying member as long as this the direction we are going to take. It's embarrassing at best.

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's nothing! Gliebe is working on a "big score" with Tom Meztger, Tom Padgett (a convicted scam artist who now runs a psychic hotline) and a nigger named King Kuumba. This same bunch approached Panzerfaust Records a while back but Byron was wise to their scam. All the above expect to be paid $5,000 a month for one year BEFORE the deal goes through. Gliebe is so caught up in trying to make the "big score" that he featured Metzger in the latest Resistance Magazine and when Terrible Tommy heard that Gliebe might speak at the big New Orleans meeting he called Gliebe up (Padgett called me) and told him if he goes "the deal's off." That's what our dues money is going for. This happened in May and was a watershed event for me. Nothing was ever the same.

More to follow, I have to go to work. Tell your friends and neighbors...it's ALL coming out, I am blowing the whistle. The waste, the greed, the inefficiency, the idiocy, the sexual perversion...I want NA members to know what their dues are being wasted on. Gliebe and Walker can call around all they want trying to slander me, saying I left over a simple pay dispute. They are calling around because they are scared shitless…rightfully so!

If any of you would like to ask Erich Gliebe about this record deal feel free to call him at:

Home: 440-230-0068
Cell: 216-262-5988

Or call the NA HQ, that's where he is today 304-653-4707 or 304-653-4982. Gliebe is there because Walker is getting ready to go to the WS Conference and then take another two week vacation to California. I guess he didn't get enough rest when he went to Greece for two weeks.[/QUOTE]

Welcome back to the forum Dave and although we have not met I must have misjudged you.

Thanks for this information.

[QUOTE=byron]To be honest, I think Tom Metzger is as much a victim of the scam artists as anyone. It was a pipe dream and typical confidence scam that involved a supposed rap music bigwig who promised to use his distribution connections to get WP music in record stores. Only problem was, it was bullshit: The record company that King Kuumba claimed to be tight with doesn't exist, the "contract" they wanted me to sign was, in the words of our entertainment attorney, "simplistic, primitive, and legally meaningless." One of the scammers was a disbarred lawyer who claimed to be Pablo Escobar's "cartel attorney," another claimed to be friends with all the top rap entertainers, but wanted me and Metzger to "invest" in a movie about Marvin Gaye, etc.......
I advised Metzger not to have anything to do with this bullshit last spring, and that he should steer these scam artists to Resistance, since Gliebe is dumb enough to hide his own Easter eggs. Looks like that is what happened, and I know where Dr. Pierce's life savings ended up, not to mention all the membership dues.
I just hope Metzger stayed clear of it and doesn't get burned as well...........[/QUOTE]

The irony of Gleebe getting ripped off by a nigger wont be missed on the rump membership of NA if this is true and it comes out. I had to laugh at first but this will be an embarrassment to us all. What incompetence!

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]My main concern isn't whether the music is corrupt or not. My main concern is that much of this music, like the new Grom CD, is being funded with NA dues payer's money. If there are any NA members reading this look at the plug for the new Grom CD in the last monthly BULLETIN. They have about $12,000 tied up in that CD and to date have only sold about 80. Think of how many NA billboards that could have paid for.
Another example is the Gathering of the Gods DVD. Great quality, Mike Murray did an awesome job on it...but...wouldn't a new recruiting DVD have done more good? For a bunch of guys who literally exist off dues payer money you'd think they would put more effort into recruiting more members and giving Activists in the field better recruiting material.
My break is almost over so I'll finish up with one more really good example. If any of you have a copy of "What is the National Alliance?" pamphlet look at the back...it's missing an entire paragraph! What's worse? THEY KNOW IT and have known it for over a year. We tell our members that all locally produced flyers must meet the NA's high standard so we can recruit the right kind of people yet the pamphlet the National Office sells is missing an entire paragraph.[/QUOTE]

What a fucking disaster. This is a sinking ship. Gleebe needs to get sued. Somebody has to do this to save the book rights. The WLP copyrights and other book rights are worth it alone. Somebody needs to rectify this.

Here's another very troubling thought: if this is so bad, why havent the feds stepped in to nail somebody for mail fraud? They could easily make out a case based on the misappropriation of funds. Maybe not a good one but they didnt need a good case to put Duke away either......

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]What a fucking disaster. This is a sinking ship. Gleebe needs to get sued. Somebody has to do this to save the book rights. The WLP copyrights and other book rights are worth it alone. Somebody needs to rectify this.

Here's another very troubling thought: if this is so bad, why havent the feds stepped in to nail somebody for mail fraud? They could easily make out a case based on the misappropriation of funds. Maybe not a good one but they didnt need a good case to put Duke away either......[/QUOTE]

I agree, AE. I've been hoping all along that someone with standing (Fred, Kitti, or Bob) would drag Gliebe's criminal butt before a judge to show cause why he shouldn't be incarcerated for his thievery. That's not going to happen, apparently.

I have a receipt here from the National Alliance for $500 dated two years ago whereby NA acknowledges that that amount was donated in my name for an engraved granite brick paver for the WLP Memorial. If you can convincingly make the case that I have grounds to file a complaint or bring charges against Gliebe for misappropriation of funds or mail fraud, or whatever, two years after the fact, then I'm quite willing to be the injured party. I know others who will likely join with me as co-complainants because they were ripped off by this bogus fund-raising scheme just as I have been.

[QUOTE=White Will]I agree, AE. I've been hoping all along that someone with standing (Fred, Kitti, or Bob) would drag Gliebe's criminal butt before a judge to show cause why he shouldn't be incarcerated for his thievery. That's not going to happen, apparently.

I have a receipt here from the National Alliance for $500 dated two years ago whereby NA acknowledges that that amount was donated in my name for an engraved granite brick paver for the WLP Memorial. If you can convincingly make the case that I have grounds to file a complaint or bring charges against Gliebe for misappropriation of funds or mail fraud, or whatever, two years after the fact, then I'm quite willing to be the injured party. I know others who will likely join with me as co-complainants because they were ripped off by this bogus fund-raising scheme just as I have been.[/QUOTE]

You are a sharp guy Will. Methinks you're onto something. Gotta find a good lawyer to do it in the right jurisdiction though.

I would just like to point something out that may not be clear to some folks at this point...

[size=4]The National Alliance now has a Nigger on the payroll. [/size]
That in and of itself is a complete outrage...

[QUOTE=Tom88]I would just like to point something out that may not be clear to some folks at this point...

The National Alliance now has a Nigger on the payroll. [/size]
That in and of itself is a complete outrage...[/QUOTE]

that's bad news. who planted the poison pill? utter complete incompetence, or deliberate malfeasance?

byron said in post #12 of this thread:
..."a nigger named King Kuumba"...
That would be, King Sekou Kuumba. I bet his given name and photos are even funnier. ...Still looking.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:_jWDz2X6QSUJ:forums.starsearchcasting.com/forums/printthread.php%3Ft%3D5957++King+Sekou+Kuumba&hl=en
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:aymB1rO4h3gJ:www.todaysnewstoday.com/default.asp%3Fid%3D20%26mnu%3D20++King+Sekou+Kuumba&hl=en
September 6, 2004 obits
Condon Billingsley Jr. (Sept. 3, 2004) Condon “Woody” Billingsley Jr., of Sweetwater, died Thursday Sept. 3, at Sweetwater Hospital. He had lived and worked as a maintenance supervisor for 29 years in St. Louis, Mo., but was well known for his athletic ability in basketball and football, while attending High Point High School in Sweetwater. He was a president of the deacon board at Mt. Sinai Missionary Baptist Church in St. Louis, and faithful to worship as his health allowed, attending Mount Bethel Baptist Church in Sweetwater. He was 64. Preceded in death by: his parents, Condon and Josephine Billingsley Sr. Survivors include: his wife-Violet Grant Billingsley of Sweetwater; Children-Keith and Vera Billingsley, Condon Billingsley III and Adrian Billingsley, all of St. Louis; Brother and sister-in-law-George Edward and Glinda Billingsley of Sweetwater; Sister-Almeda Wright of Knoxville; Uncle-Charles “C.L.” Billingsley of Sweetwater; Aunts-Malchia Sharp of Sweetwater; Martha Billingsley of Cleveland; Father-in-law-Melvin Grant Sr. of St. Louis; Brothers and sisters-in-law-Melvin and Marie Grant, Betty Hill, Yvonne Grant, Lisa Phils, and Loretta Grant all of St. Louis; and Sekou Kuumba of California;

[QUOTE=onetruth]If people want to learn more about National Socialism they can read Mein Kampf.[/QUOTE]

They're not going to.

Effective propaganda adapts to the world.

People don't wake up one day and say, "I think I'll be a Nazi."

They slowly come toward realizations usually based on music or people they admire.

In early August of 2003 Unholy Records was nothing more than a P.O. box in Marlington. There was a bank account in that name also but I think it contained like 2 or 3 hundred bucks. I think Dr. Pierce either got Unholy Records from Hendrick Moebus or they set it up together, I'm not sure which, but I think Hendrick Moebus figured in there somehow. It was just one of those projects that was in the planning stage but never got off the ground. Evidently Gliebe has pumped some money into it, I would like to know more about it.

[QUOTE=David_Pringle] When Terrible Tommy heard that Gliebe might speak at the big New Orleans meeting he called Gliebe up (Padgett called me) and [/QUOTE]

I wondered why Gliebe and Shaun Walker did not show up for Duke's conference after Charles A. Lindburgh gave them top billing.

It isn't very White of Gliebe and Walker to snub David Duke like that just to please King Kuumba (or Kufa). No wonder there are rumors about an impending Euro versus National Alliance cold war.

[QUOTE=NorWind]I wondered why Gliebe and Shaun Walker did not show up for Duke's conference after Charles A. Lindburgh gave them top billing.

It isn't very White of Gliebe and Walker to snub David Duke like that just to please King Kuumba (or Kufa). No wonder there are rumors about an impending Euro versus National Alliance cold war.[/QUOTE]

Walker was there but was bumped from the program because so many people think he's a fed. Gliebe was begged by Strom and Dr. Ellis to attend but didn't because he was afraid of losing "the deal." Both Gliebe and Walker talk nonstop shit about David Duke and have recently sent out the order that the NA and EURO will not work together in anyway. Both Walker and Gliebe are intimidated by Duke and are afraid their people will defect.

How recent is the edict barring joint NA/EURO activities? The reason that I ask is that on October 16th there was a demonstration in Richmond Virginia that was jointly conducted.

You are right about other websites (Overthrow & OPP) posting this info. There isn't anything wrong with encouraging people to email someone but it does cross a line if you drag their real world job into it in an attempt to get them fired from a defense contractor.

[QUOTE=SA Mann]You are right about other websites (Overthrow & OPP) posting this info. There isn't anything wrong with encouraging people to email someone but it does cross a line if you drag their real world job into it in an attempt to get them fired from a defense contractor.[/QUOTE]
The real complaint should be, not that Kitti Molz was exposed to the possibility of harassment through publication of her contact information etc. (although that is not a nice thing to do), rather that harassment was organized and incited.

Never mind the possibility of losing her job, Kitti Moltz was deliberately put at risk of being attacked or even killed.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Here's another very troubling thought: if this is so bad, why havent the feds stepped in to nail somebody for mail fraud? They could easily make out a case based on the misappropriation of funds. Maybe not a good one but they didnt need a good case to put Duke away either......[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

Why would the government not take a perfect opportunity to destroy the Alliance?

Either ...

(a) Gliebe is on the payroll.

(b) Gliebe is considered harmless.

(c) They're waiting for the right moment.

[QUOTE=Librarian]Exactly.

Why would the government not take a perfect opportunity to destroy the Alliance?

Either ...

(a) Gliebe is on the payroll.

(b) Gliebe is considered harmless.

(c) They're waiting for the right moment.[/QUOTE]

If Gliebe probably isn’t on the FBI’s payroll, his actions certainly are leading to the destruction of the National Alliance. The movers and the shakers at Duke’s New Orleans’ protocol conference (May? 2004) obviously thought Shaun Walker was a fed. Some pretty big names in that bunch. Duke, Black, Strom, Dr. Ed Fields were among the movers and the shakers. Word is the Brits also think Walker is a fed.

The latest telephone gossip is that Shaun Walker retaliated for being kicked off the speaker’s platform at the Duke conference. The reprisal came at the National Alliance’s September 2004 meeting. Duke and Black were smart enough not to attend but Jamie Kelso, the right-hand man of both Duke and Black, was there.

Using the pretext that Kelso was taking secret notes, Walker and several other big thugs pounced on Kelso in a secluded room and accused him of being a spy and wearing a “wire” to make tape recordings. Walker took a piece a paper that Kelso surrendered and burnt it. Then the gang bullied and intimidated Kelso until he stripped to prove that he wasn’t wearing a wire.

Even Kelso tried to keep the strip search secret but Duke and Black found out later. Duke told Gliebe to go to hell.

Walker further retaliated by ordering the NA leaders to not cooperate with EURO.

The New Orleans protocols bunch is still one big happy family….. on the surface. Underneath, they have split into two factions. Gliebe and Walker have added Metzger to their side. Strom is firmly in the camp with Black, Duke, and Fields. That shows you how weak Gliebe and Walker are. They pay Strom to produce material but Strom is in the enemy camp. Everyone else that Gliebe and Walker has hired to produce material has left the staff after only a few weeks. You don’t have to believe this gossip and my analysis. You can go on living in a fish bowl.

I don't understand why an immoral jerk like Gliebe became the new leader. It should have been Jerry Abbot, the second to Pierce morally, ideologically and intellectually.

[QUOTE=NorWind]Using the pretext that Kelso was taking secret notes, Walker and several other big thugs pounced on Kelso in a secluded room and accused him of being a spy and wearing a “wire” to make tape recordings. Walker took a piece a paper that Kelso surrendered and burnt it. Then the gang bullied and intimidated Kelso until he stripped to prove that he wasn’t wearing a wire.

Even Kelso tried to keep the strip search secret but Duke and Black found out later. Duke told Gliebe to go to hell.

Walker further retaliated by ordering the NA leaders to not cooperate with EURO.
[/QUOTE]If this account is accurate someone in a position of authority needs to verify it's accuracy and the individuals engaging in this type reprehensible behavior should to be held accountable for their actions.

Perhaps under new leadership, possibly Strom the organization can be salvaged. Sooner or later facts will come out and I admire David Pringle's willingness to place his reputation on the line, I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to go public though I would have preferred handling the release of information is a slightly different manor.

Duke should step up to the plate and say whether the information regarding Kelso is true or not. I take Duke at his word. Black is in a unenviable position as Stormfront's administrator but has afforded Pringle an opportunity to air his concerns.

[QUOTE=NorWind]Even Kelso tried to keep the strip search secret but Duke and Black found out later.
The New Orleans protocols bunch is still one big happy family….. on the surface. Underneath, they have split into two factions. Gliebe and Walker have added Metzger to their side. [/QUOTE]
This sounds like a battle between the bloods and the crips. Grown men in a pissing contest acting like a bunch of niggers.
We are all in this together and it's making us all look like a bunch of money grubbing, power hungry jews. Fuck you all that are trying to destroy another potential organization trying to do something for the future of our people.
All these groups trying to get on top, for what? When there is nothing then where will our children be? You keep feeding the gossip, when this is yet another disgruntled employee. What could be said about you? What channels are you feeding with these claims to? What is important to you? :mad:

[QUOTE=MsVinland]This sounds like a battle between the bloods and the crips. Grown men in a pissing contest acting like a bunch of niggers.
We are all in this together and it's making us all look like a bunch of money grubbing, power hungry jews. Fuck you all that are trying to destroy another potential organization trying to do something for the future of our people.
All these groups trying to get on top, for what? When there is nothing then where will our children be? You keep feeding the gossip, when this is yet another disgruntled employee. What could be said about you? What channels are you feeding with these claims to? What is important to you? :mad:[/QUOTE]

Finally! Someone who can see the forest thru the trees.Even if we suceeded in achieving our own living space,we'd find something to complain about,today it's record label wars,tomorrow it's fucking parking spaces!HAHA
:cool:

[QUOTE=MsVinland]This sounds like a battle between the bloods and the crips. Grown men in a pissing contest acting like a bunch of niggers.
We are all in this together and it's making us all look like a bunch of money grubbing, power hungry jews. Fuck you all that are trying to destroy another potential organization trying to do something for the future of our people.
All these groups trying to get on top, for what? When there is nothing then where will our children be? You keep feeding the gossip, when this is yet another disgruntled employee. What could be said about you? What channels are you feeding with these claims to? What is important to you? :mad:[/QUOTE]

It is not I who is trying to destroy the National Alliance..... It is Gliebe, Walker and two or three other insiders in this nest of vipers.

People have a right to know about those who are collecting money but are lechers, thugs, and wild spending fools.

They have run off or fired 20 or more key staffers, most of whom are what you call "disgruntled employees."

Have you let yourself be taken down the primrose path by these charlatans?

We cannot win our place in the sun until we get the wrost of the weeds out of the garden.

Hello,

I just wanted to say that I started this thread in reference to material being sold to our youth by record companies owned by the National Alliance. I am a member and have every right as well as all other members to ask why we're selling some of this material to White kids. We're responsible as members to moniter what our dues and donations get spent on. We're responsible for leading our youth in the right direction and away from the jew promoted degeneracy found in the mainstream these days. When this stuff pops up who's paying for it? We are! You and I. We are supposed to be the people leading our Race to health and sanity, not into death and degeneracy. I just wanted to make members aware of what's going on, we have a right to know. If you don't want to know then you're behaving like a lemming who yells HATER! every time someone brings up something they don't want to hear. We need to take responsibilty for the direction of the organization we belong to. And we need responsible leaders that correct errors and not create them. Erich called my UC and said Dave Pringle is working for the feds. To me that sounds like someone starting rumors and gossip.

[QUOTE=onetruth]Hello,

I just wanted to say that I started this thread in reference to material being sold to our youth by record companies owned by the National Alliance. I am a member and have every right as well as all other members to ask why we're selling some of this material to White kids. We're responsible as members to moniter what our dues and donations get spent on. We're responsible for leading our youth in the right direction and away from the jew promoted degeneracy found in the mainstream these days. When this stuff pops up who's paying for it? We are! You and I. We are supposed to be the people leading our Race to health and sanity, not into death and degeneracy. I just wanted to make members aware of what's going on, we have a right to know. If you don't want to know then you're behaving like a lemming who yells HATER! every time someone brings up something they don't want to hear. We need to take responsibilty for the direction of the organization we belong to. And we need responsible leaders that correct errors and not create them. Erich called my UC and said Dave Pringle is working for the feds. To me that sounds like someone starting rumors and gossip.[/QUOTE]Where did Gliebe say Pringle was working for the feds? Forgive me if I am misinformed but did the National Alliance make a statement? Did Pringle claim this was stated?
Thinking about this it makes me wonder how this man was working for them, and all of a sudden comes out with this now. Just maybe he is trying to cover his own ass. Maybe it was he that was doing all that he claims leadership was, and he knows there will be no rebuttal because the claims are lies. Do you worry about what people say about you? Are you always on the defensive? Who really knows what happened? Anybody can make claims on an internet forum in hopes that people would believe them. And where else would he go but here because he knows this forum has a lot of criticism towards the NA.
If I sound like a lemming, so be it. I am far from a lemming. I am attempting to look at this from both angles and not just grasp on to every word an NA insider says. A person that obviously has issues.
As far as taking responsibility for their actions, it looks like the individual units are making a difference for this pathetic excuse of the movement. So why make Pringle some kind of hero for trying to stop what most members are accomplishing to get the word out?
You said we are responsible for our youth, you are damn right. And when a bunch of supposed "grown ups" are acting like a bunch of niggers, what is that teaching them? All this "he said" "she said" crap is doing no good for any of us. ESPECIALLY OUR CHILDREN. Sounds like a bunch of 1st graders fighting over who put a tack on the teachers chair. RATS pointing the finger.
Like I said, what is important to you? The children are the most important to me. Call me a hater, but I am fighting AGAINST the enemy, not working for them. This is just more fuel on the fire, and we are getting burned, ALL of us.

Home: 440-230-0068
Cell: 216-262-5988

Or call the NA HQ, that's where he is today 304-653-4707 or 304-653-4982

Ask Erich yourself. My Unit Coordinator called me and said Erich Gliebe called him and told him to stay clear of Pringle he's working with the feds. I'm not making this up. If my UC would like to elaborate he can do so. Members have a right to know what's going on.

[QUOTE=onetruth]Home: 440-230-0068
Cell: 216-262-5988

Or call the NA HQ, that's where he is today 304-653-4707 or 304-653-4982

Ask Erich yourself. My Unit Coordinator called me and said Erich Gliebe called him and told him to stay clear of Pringle he's working with the feds. I'm not making this up. If my UC would like to elaborate he can do so. Members have a right to know what's going on.[/QUOTE]
My theory, which could be way off, but possible. You came on here, what, days before pringle came on with his "confession"? You have an aweful alot of information for just being a "concerned member". Is this pringle?
Again you are giving third party information with private information that shouldn't even be on a website. Would you want your number displayed online?
The feds from what I am told, like to create havoc within organizations. Making everyone suspicious of one another. They are doing a great job! As it appears to be nobody knows who to trust.
I have children to protect, and if somebody makes threats to go to, or that they work with the fbi, that is enough information to stay clear of them. At least until everything is sorted out.
If you are really a concerned member, then you need to stand by your leadership. You joined for a reason. I'll bet most members and unit coordinators are a little sceptical of what is going on. When a ship is sinking, as the metaphor has been brought up here before against the NA, do you jump ship, or do you stay and fight to keep it afloat? The members are what need to stand together. If not, then there really was no strength to begin with.
I love the saying, W.W.H.D. (what would Hitler do?). Is this case, what do you think the great Dr. that started the Alliance would do? Do you actually think he would come on VNN and say, "no, he is a liar." :rolleyes:
Wake up!

[QUOTE=Librarian]Exactly.

Why would the government not take a perfect opportunity to destroy the Alliance?

Either ...

(a) Gliebe is on the payroll.

(b) Gliebe is considered harmless.

(c) They're waiting for the right moment.[/QUOTE]

(d) All of the above.


As for possibility (c), Noriega, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and several others were also reported to be on ZOG's payroll at one time and are now either behind bars or on ZOG's shit list big time. Same thing could happen to the Gleeber, soon as he sqaunders the NA down to the point where it reaches a point of diminishing returns, which at the rate he is going won't be long. Then it will be off to the dungeons for ol' Gleebster.

Keep them away from Erich and his sleazy merchandise. As far as what Dr. Pierce would say I'm sure he would at least answer his critiques in an ADV broadcast. I'm sure Erich will have Kevin Strom do that for him. Christmas is coming up maybe get your kids item 1141 ( Lords Of Chaos - The Bloody Rise Of The Satanic Metal Underground / Revised Edition) off the Resistance website.
http://resistance.com/catalog/

I'm hoping to WAKE UP!

From this nightmare.

Has anyone thought of getting the former board of directors of the NA together with Kevin Strom and discussed a way to seize control of the NA before Gliebe flushes it down the toilet?

I just finished reading The Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds, and I can't help but think what an incredible travesty it would be to flush 25+ years of Pierce's hard work down the drain.

Is it possible to return control of the Alliance to it's rightful leadership?

-TMason

[QUOTE=onetruth]Home: 440-230-0068
Cell: 216-262-5988

Or call the NA HQ, that's where he is today 304-653-4707 or 304-653-4982

Ask Erich yourself. My Unit Coordinator called me and said Erich Gliebe called him and told him to stay clear of Pringle he's working with the feds. I'm not making this up. If my UC would like to elaborate he can do so. Members have a right to know what's going on.[/QUOTE]

Onetruth, your UC just called me and said that you and Pringle are both full of shit. Don't believe me? Call NAHQ @ 304-653-4707

[QUOTE=onetruth]Keep them away from Erich and his sleazy merchandise. As far as what Dr. Pierce would say I'm sure he would at least answer his critiques in an ADV broadcast. I'm sure Erich will have Kevin Strom do that for him. Christmas is coming up maybe get your kids item 1141 ( Lords Of Chaos - The Bloody Rise Of The Satanic Metal Underground / Revised Edition) off the Resistance website.
http://resistance.com/catalog/

I'm hoping to WAKE UP!

From this nightmare.[/QUOTE]It looks like cd#1141 is Battlefield. Though I haven't heard it myself, I hear it is a great band from Poland! :D
Now the item #1141 you were talking about, Lords of Chaos, sounds like an interesting item also; Lords Of Chaos - The Bloody Rise Of The Satanic Metal Underground / Revised Edition
The 2003 edition of Lords of Chaos is revised and expanded, adding fifty new pages, detailing Black Metal in Finland, Germany and the United States including National Socialist Black Metal a new section on Varg Vikernes and material on the career of Hendrik Moebus, who was lured away from the National Alliances Hillsboro, West Virginia campus and deported back to Germany to be imprisoned for giving the Roman salute. This award-winning expose features hundreds of rare photos and exclusive interrogations with priests, police officers and leaders of bands.I am not really into NS Black Metal, but if the children choose to listen to it, it is much better than the mainstream garbage that is out there.
This may be off the subject, but I appreciate the suggestion. ;)

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Black metal is useless because their aren't any intelligible lyrics. There is Communist/liberal Oi! and there is Racist Oi!, but you can always tell because of the lyrics. NS Black metal is just creating noise and naming the tracks "Hail to the Aryan Race" or something like that. I am surprised that the "Movement" spent so much time courting Black Metal when they would have met far more success if they had concentrated on something like Country music.[/QUOTE]

I think you're right about that. Country is stale because of jew-imposed content restrictions. Songwriters are forbidden to deal with certain topics, or they're forbidden to deal with topics in certain ways. It adds up to predictable, not-so-interesting music. Professionally produced, sung by models with great voices, but nothing real gets through the filter.

I heard a song and looked up one of the credited writer (not the singer). Guy named Dave Berg. From Portland. Former alternative rocker, now part of the country writin' crew for a Nashville subdivision of one of the Big Jew media conglomerates. His home page had a picture. Could well be a jew - Aryan coloring, softened rage-cut, blue eyes, but very jewy looking humping twisting nose. Point is, country isn't essentially different in tone and topic from rock, just a slightly different style. It makes sense that jews would tear down the boundaries between genres as well as races, I suppose. It's a one-size-fits-all world they intend to produce, in music as well as men.

There is an opening for quality country music, and it's probably a lot bigger than the market for noise rock, which is the real genre of most WP I've heard. If I were doing it, I would make an album about half covers, one-quarter revised-lyric standards, and one-quarter pure originals. Think of Cletus T. Judd. Some of his stuff is genuinely funny, but as with the comedians on Comedy Central, the real funny stuff is left untouched - politically unthinkable. But not for us.

Look to the controlled conservatives, and the Christian alternatives for examples of how to go about producing professional material somewhat apart from and somewhat at odds with the jew-mainstream.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Mr. Redstone has taken to pushing rap themes and feminism through CMT lately. Look how much air time and attention they give to Gretchen Wilson, Big and Rich, and Toby Keith. Country music will be taken over by rap just like Rock/Alternative was in 1999.[/QUOTE]Come on J.P., what's wrong with a country music artist asking "Who's your daddy?" :rolleyes:

Country music has been a predominantly WHITE music style. With no surprise, for the last 10 years or so, the industry has been decreasing in it's quality. It's become more like another form of pop music. That's not what country's all about.

This would be an incredible industry for us to focus on. Instead of yet another WP band with extreme lyrics, (not that it's bad), let's hear some more of that steel guitar!

[QUOTE=MsVinland]Come on J.P., what's wrong with a country music artist asking "Who's your daddy?" :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

I agree with you and JPS, except that I'd say it gone has been gone a long time. I recall George Strait doing a concert for AIDS about 12 years ago.

Female country singers dress like Hollywood sluts, and most are.

Country music is not White. People who listen to it might as well be watching "nigger ball."

You can live without any radio, TV, or stereo. Our Great grand parents did and they were better people than we are.

None of this, of course, has anything to do with Erich Gliebe's move to put Resistance into "mainstream music," by which he means into satanic perverted crap.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]I think you're right about that. Country is stale because of jew-imposed content restrictions. Songwriters are forbidden to deal with certain topics, or they're forbidden to deal with topics in certain ways. It adds up to predictable, not-so-interesting music. Professionally produced, sung by models with great voices, but nothing real gets through the filter.

I heard a song and looked up one of the credited writer (not the singer). Guy named Dave Berg. From Portland. Former alternative rocker, now part of the country writin' crew for a Nashville subdivision of one of the Big Jew media conglomerates. His home page had a picture. Could well be a jew - Aryan coloring, softened rage-cut, blue eyes, but very jewy looking humping twisting nose. Point is, country isn't essentially different in tone and topic from rock, just a slightly different style. It makes sense that jews would tear down the boundaries between genres as well as races, I suppose. It's a one-size-fits-all world they intend to produce, in music as well as men.

There is an opening for quality country music, and it's probably a lot bigger than the market for noise rock, which is the real genre of most WP I've heard. If I were doing it, I would make an album about half covers, one-quarter revised-lyric standards, and one-quarter pure originals. Think of Cletus T. Judd. Some of his stuff is genuinely funny, but as with the comedians on Comedy Central, the real funny stuff is left untouched - politically unthinkable. But not for us.

Look to the controlled conservatives, and the Christian alternatives for examples of how to go about producing professional material somewhat apart from and somewhat at odds with the jew-mainstream.[/QUOTE]

This reminds me of David Allen Coe. Although I haven't heard them, I have talked to non-racialists who were familiar with Coe's so-called "basement tapes", or whatever you want to call them. The songs had lyrics that dealt openly with racially sensitive subjects and used the word "nigger" frequently, and talked about things like how disgusted he was with white women fucking niggers. Heck, even in his mass-distributed song, "If That Ain't Country" , Coe pens the following lyrics: "Trying like the devil to find the Lord, working like a nigger for my room and board... Coal-fired stove, no natural gas, if that ain't country, I'll kiss your ass..."

I first heard this song at an exclusive private school near Kinston, NC. played outside class on a CD player by a couple of eighth graders. (I was up on the roof servicing the school's AC system and dropped my screwdriver when I heard what the kids below me were listening to.) They liked it because it was raw and honest. Now Coe's so-called "underground" or basement tapes are supposed to be much more racially provacative.

Resistance and Gliebe should be trying to produce and distribute stuff like that. It will sell like Little Debbie cakes.

There's got to be a great many more talented musicians who have written similar stuff, but who cannot market it.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]If I were doing it, I would make an album about half covers, one-quarter revised-lyric standards, and one-quarter pure originals.[/QUOTE]Sort of like the new Youngland CD: http://www.panzerfaust.com/youngland/
It features Southern Rock/Country songs from the 70's and is titled Smothered and Covered. Everything from Country Roads to Good Ol' Boys to a Boy Named Sue.
Here's what Kenn from Youngland had to say about the project:
Now our third full length release is entitled " Smothered and Covered" and the name itself is a take off from the"Waffle House" menu. "Why?", you ask? Because this album consists of all cover songs from the 70's country rock days. Songs about truckin', drinkin' and rockin'.You are sure to find at least one or two of YOUR old time favorites on this 17 song CD. "The Devil Went Down To Georgia", "Country Roads", " The Gambler", "Boy Named Sue", "Convoy", and "East Bound and Down" from the movie "Smokey and the Bandit".And again you ask, "Why cover songs"? Because we wanted to do a CD with recognizable songs that can act as a bridge and help expose the music and message in a positive manner. And if done well, can stir curiosity for more, i.e. "What band is this?" "Do they have any other CD's?"

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Well I don't think there is any way around it now... Panzerfaust trumped Resistance. I cannot deny them that.[/QUOTE]

Ditto, JP. After how many years since Gliebe has run RESISTANCE Records is he now producing death music for the kiddies? Brilliant! Panzerfaust/Youngland have their fingers on the pulse of White youth. Their ambitious, generous Schoolyard project is a home run.

Edberg, your comments about David Allen Coe are right on. I've heard those basement tapes and they really get a White crowd stirred up and singing. I imagine that a nigger accidentally drag-footin' his black ass into such a scene would feel about like one of us might feel walking into a roomful of niggers gyrating, grabbing their crotches, gangsta-rapping, throwing around their gang signs.

But you also said this: "Resistance and Gliebe should be trying to produce and distribute stuff like that." Do you still believe that Erich Gliebe should be producing ANYTHING in the name of the National Alliance after reading what Byron and Dave Pringle and others have revealed about him in the past week or so? This record "deal" with the nigger Kuumba should have shaken you off the fence, if the other stuff didn't. Read Norwind's summary of Pringle's revelations about Gleibe and Walker and come back and tell us about all the stuff Gliebe should do for the White race under the auspices of the National Alliance.

Will, I have sent my last check to Hillsboro. I don't like the idea of quitting the NA, but it is true that one can be too loyal. If I send anymore checks to anyone now with the NA, it will be directly to Kevin Strom. He is doing a great job with Nationalvanguard.org as well as American Dissident Voices. Kevin needs to keep doing what he is doing now, and I will support him personally as long as he keeps doing it, whether with the NA or idependently. Kevin is the main reason I have been so reluctant to quit the organization.

I don't know Shaun Walker or anything directly or personally about him, so I reserve judgement on him. Eric Gliebe, though, has made too many bad decisions that I do know about. It's time for him to get out and make an honest living again (as a tool and die maker)... or change his ways, reconcile himself with the the former board members, and get a proper Aryan perspective on things(ie. a sense of propriety and fairplay with comrades). I won't write him off for good; perhaps he can change; however, I will no longer follow him down the path he is presently leading the NA.

"Eric Gliebe, though, has made too many bad decisions that I do know about."

What are they? Personally, I think the guy is an idiot, but can anyone share any FACTS that PROVE Erich and/or Shaun are really bad people who aren't interested in furthering our cause? I think these guys probably get tired and worn down because they see that nothing is changing and the jews are getting bolder. Maybe they don't really believe in the cause anymore. I don't really care too much about that. As long as they are doing their jobs. I also don't have a problem with Erich buying a car. I should hope the NA could afford a comfortable lifestyle for its principles. If you can't make a living at this, then we really are a sad excuse for a 'movement'. I am embarrassed by the short-sighted wannabe homeless on this board who think only kikes should have money.

[QUOTE=SkinnyMonkey]"Eric Gliebe, though, has made too many bad decisions that I do know about."

What are they? Personally, I think the guy is an idiot, but can anyone share any FACTS that PROVE Erich and/or Shaun are really bad people who aren't interested in furthering our cause? [/QUOTE]


Of course, how much time do you have?

You could start here: http://www.natscam.com/
(Besides, in the real world, leaders are required to have more than an "interest in furthering our cause" and must also exhibit at least a slight modicum of actual ability to do so.)

Or you could listen to what virtually every single one of Dr. Pierce's personally, handpicked staff have repeatedly been telling people since Gliebe hijacked the N/A.

After a certain amount of credible information coming from credible sources has been publicly discussed, those who still "don't know" maybe just don't want to know.

To disbelieve what all of us are saying, you would have to believe that Dr. Pierce's entire personal staff is either wrong or lying.

I have made this challenge before, and I'll make it again: Can anyone name a SINGLE former Hillsboro staffer that is both still a member of the N/A and will defend Gliebe/Walker? Nope. But there are literally dozens who have left in disgust since Gliebe/Walker took over. What do they obviously know that you apparently don't? Why don't you volunteer to go work there for 6 months and give us a report of your experience? They will need the help, as it appears that the next wave of staffers there have seen enough and are on the way out. Or actually, maybe they won't need the help, they don't appear to be too busy there............

[QUOTE=SkinnyMonkey]"Eric Gliebe, though, has made too many bad decisions that I do know about."

What are they? Personally, I think the guy is an idiot, but can anyone share any FACTS that PROVE Erich and/or Shaun are really bad people who aren't interested in furthering our cause? I think these guys probably get tired and worn down because they see that nothing is changing and the jews are getting bolder. Maybe they don't really believe in the cause anymore. I don't really care too much about that. As long as they are doing their jobs. I also don't have a problem with Erich buying a car. I should hope the NA could afford a comfortable lifestyle for its principles. If you can't make a living at this, then we really are a sad excuse for a 'movement'. I am embarrassed by the short-sighted wannabe homeless on this board who think only kikes should have money.[/QUOTE]

With friends like you the NA don't need enemies.

I also don't have a problem with Erich buying a car. I, and a lot of other people, do have a problem with him blowing $40,000 of NA funds on a gas guzzling SUV with all the bells and whistles he could get and then putting 80,000 miles per year on it, all at the expense of the membership.

Gliebe and Walker are certainly managing to live a "comfortable lifestyle", complete with new cars, European vacations, $1200 per month phone bills, unlimited expense accounts, the companionship of dancers from various nightclubs, very comfortable indeed. Meanwhile they have a reputation for ripping off NA staffers for their wages and anything else they can get their hands on. This started with my wife and me, and continues right on up to Dave Pringle. I know of one case where they ripped an employee off for a vacuum cleaner, nothing is too petty for these high minded defenders of the White Race to pass up when it comes to an opportunty to scam or steal. Walker has ripped off other members for trivial little things, he seems to get some kind of a perverted thrill out of it. He ripped one member off for a set of scaffold wheels, he was totally blatant about it, a real class act ol, Skipper is.

Bad people? They are lower than niggers, they are traitors to the NA and to the entire White Race, and I hope they are eventually held accountable for their degeneracy.

[QUOTE=byron]Why don't you volunteer to go work there for 6 months and give us a report of your experience? They will need the help, as it appears that the next wave of staffers there have seen enough and are on the way out. Or actually, maybe they won't need the help, they don't appear to be too busy there............[/QUOTE]

I would suggest lining up another source of income, perhaps food stamps or something, before moving to NAHQ to work for the Gleebster and the Skipper.

[QUOTE=SkinnyMonkey]"Eric Gliebe, though, has made too many bad decisions that I do know about."

What are they? Personally, I think the guy is an idiot, but can anyone share any FACTS that PROVE Erich and/or Shaun are really bad people who aren't interested in furthering our cause? I think these guys probably get tired and worn down because they see that nothing is changing and the jews are getting bolder. Maybe they don't really believe in the cause anymore. I don't really care too much about that. As long as they are doing their jobs. I also don't have a problem with Erich buying a car. I should hope the NA could afford a comfortable lifestyle for its principles. If you can't make a living at this, then we really are a sad excuse for a 'movement'. I am embarrassed by the short-sighted wannabe homeless on this board who think only kikes should have money.[/QUOTE]

I have two problems with Gliebe: 1. faulty character; 2. limited ability.

I do know that Gliebe was running around with at least one married woman who was an NA member, a woman who also had children. This shows a flawed sense of values in any man, especially one as old as Eric is. A young man in his early 20s without mature judgement might do such a thing; but no man Eric's age should do this -- and especially not a mature man who is the chairman of the NA and who is supposed to possess the code of values associated with the NA. Not only does it reflect badly upon Eric, it makes the organization look bad, and it opens up a big can of worms for the entire membership and anyone who wants to criticize us. This is the kind of stuff that rips apart church congregations, businesses and any other organization where it occurs. Eric should just plain know not to screw around with a woman who is still legally married. It is a stupid and selfish and immoral thing to do.

Second, Eric just doesn't have the intellectual skills (the speaking, writing and reasoning abilities) to be the chairman of the NA. What can he offer the membership in the way of visionary leadership? Not much. How effective is he as a communicator of ideas? Not effective at all.

Eric is just the wrong man in the wrong job.

He needs to go before he destroys the NA... which will happen within another 18 months, the way things are going.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]With friends like you the NA don't need enemies.

I also don't have a problem with Erich buying a car. I, and a lot of other people, do have a problem with him blowing $40,000 of NA funds on a gas guzzling SUV with all the bells and whistles he could get and then putting 80,000 miles per year on it, all at the expense of the membership.

Gliebe and Walker are certainly managing to live a "comfortable lifestyle", complete with new cars, European vacations, $1200 per month phone bills, unlimited expense accounts, the companionship of dancers from various nightclubs, very comfortable indeed. Meanwhile they have a reputation for ripping off NA staffers for their wages and anything else they can get their hands on. This started with my wife and me, and continues right on up to Dave Pringle. I know of one case where they ripped an employee off for a vacuum cleaner, nothing is too petty for these high minded defenders of the White Race to pass up when it comes to an opportunty to scam or steal. Walker has ripped off other members for trivial little things, he seems to get some kind of a perverted thrill out of it. He ripped one member off for a set of scaffold wheels, he was totally blatant about it, a real class act ol, Skipper is.

Bad people? They are lower than niggers, they are traitors to the NA and to the entire White Race, and I hope they are eventually held accountable for their degeneracy.[/QUOTE]


For what it's worth I know for a fact that Erichs new car payment comes directly out of his salary and that Shaun was invited by The Golden Dawn to speak and they paid for his trip, you can email them and verify that if you like.

[QUOTE=EdbergEdberg]I have two problems with Gliebe: 1. faulty character; 2. limited ability.

I do know that Gliebe was running around with at least one married woman who was an NA member, a woman who also had children. This shows a flawed sense of values in any man, especially one as old as Eric is. A young man in his early 20s without mature judgement might do such a thing; but no man Eric's age should do this -- and especially not a mature man who is the chairman of the NA and who is supposed to possess the code of values associated with the NA. Not only does it reflect badly upon Eric, it makes the organization look bad, and it opens up a big can of worms for the entire membership and anyone who wants to criticize us. This is the kind of stuff that rips apart church congregations, businesses and any other organization where it occurs. Eric should just plain know not to screw around with a woman who is still legally married. It is a stupid and selfish and immoral thing to do.
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I partially agree with this except I'd like to add, that Stacy was a big drunken whore who pursued Erich non stop and she was seperated from her husband at the time, but it still doesn't make it ok.

[QUOTE=byron]Of course, how much time do you have?
You could start here: http://www.natscam.com/
(Besides, in the real world, leaders are required to have more than an "interest in furthering our cause......[/QUOTE]
First, let me say that I fully support Panzerfaust, especially project skrewlyard, which I have taken part in. I just got my first Panzerfaust Book Catalog in the mail today, and I really like it. Low budget, but very professional.

I would really like to see WR/VNN/Panzerfaust attack the jew and NOT AmRen/NA/Birchers or whoever isn't good enough to satisfy your high standards. I am afraid there is an awful lot of peer pressure urging folks to hate the NA on this forum without any substantive reasons for doing so. The natscam site is the same old rehashed tripe from Bill White and a bunch of whiner ex-employees. Unfortunately, the NA bashing really only serves the do-nothings who need a good excuse for their inaction. The NA still does good things. Could be better. So what. Do better yourselves, but quit crying about others not being good enough. I totally agree that Erich is unqualified for the job, but as long as Kevin and others who are closer to the inside don't mind, neither do I. You'd think we were halfway to White victory with the way you fuckers are infighting.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]...several important long-time employees leaving one after another..... The sooner we shed all the shackles of the last "movement" the sooner we can build something real.[/QUOTE]

To me, these are the same thing. Why the unrelenting devotion to the former NA bums who haven't accomplished anything in 30 years? Everybody pays homage to the ghost of NA past, then says that the NA sucks today. The NA has always sucked ass. If it were a successful org, we'd be jew free, no? We're not, so fuck the sacred cows. They've brought us nothing but grief. My biggest problem with Gliebe is that he is one of them! The old Roper, Scott, Will, Pierce, Abbott, Strom gang that never really accomplished anything and yet can't hardly take a break from congratulating themselves for all their brilliant ideological accomplishments. NatVan books is the only accomplishment worth mentioning that isn't a product of the local units. As long as Gliebe doesn't fuck that up, he's no different than anyone else.

totally agree that Erich is unqualified for the job, but as long as Kevin and others who are closer to the inside don't mind, neither do I. You'd think we were halfway to White victory with the way you fuckers are infighting.

Hello, I'm a NA member like yourself. The fact that we have an unqualified, undisiplined, immoral person running our organization demands our attention and action. Kevin as I've found out isn't even on the Board of Directors. Why not? Is it not him attracting people to the NA at this point? Our dedication should be to our Race, not someone with a title and that's it. If Erich can't conduct himself in accord with the principles he demands of us in his fake commentary at the end of our bulletin, then he needs to resign and allow for someone with real character to take the reigns. Only then can we look our adversaries in the eye with the confidence of a Race on the path to victory. I'm not looking to end the Alliance, I'm looking to save it and get it back on track away from this frat house direction it's going in. This is what Dr. Pierce would demand of us. Our we supposed to tell our daughters that posing nude in degerate pro-race mixing magazines is a "glorious future for our people" as quoted by our "chairman". Or that stripping in sleazy bars is what the future holds for them. I can't and I won't and I hope we as the National Alliance can do the right thing. We are the leaders of the National Alliance not Erich Gliebe and it's time for him to leave.

[QUOTE=onetruth]Hello, I'm a NA member like yourself. The fact that we have an unqualified, undisiplined, immoral person running our organization demands our attention and action. Kevin as I've found out isn't even on the Board of Directors. Why not? Is it not him attracting people to the NA at this point? Our dedication should be to our Race, not someone with a title and that's it. If Erich can't conduct himself in accord with the principles he demands of us in his fake commentary at the end of our bulletin, then he needs to resign and allow for someone with real character to take the reigns. Only then can we look our adversaries in the eye with the confidence of a Race on the path to victory. I'm not looking to end the Alliance, I'm looking to save it and get it back on track away from this frat house direction it's going in. This is what Dr. Pierce would demand of us. Our we supposed to tell our daughters that posing nude in degerate pro-race mixing magazines is a "glorious future for our people" as quoted by our "chairman". Or that stripping in sleazy bars is what the future holds for them. I can't and I won't and I hope we as the National Alliance can do the right thing. We are the leaders of the National Alliance not Erich Gliebe and it's time for him to leave.[/QUOTE]


Gliebe has steadfastly pushed the cultish line that any criticizm or opposition to HIM is "an attack on the NA". Gleibe is not the NA. Gliebe is DESTROYING the NA. Gliebe and Walker have damaged the NA more than Morris Dees and the ADL combined.

GLIEBE MUST RESIGN!

Disloyalty to Erich is loyalty to the National Alliance. Opposition to Gliebe and Walker looting and wasting the National Alliance is loyalty to the White Race.

Fred,
I'm new to this. I've had it with Gliebe and Walker. But I love the NA. How do we get rid of those two clowns and put someone in who represents the members of the NA? I want make the NA strong again.
From every contact I've ever had with Erich, I've went away shaking my head. He's not friendly, has the WORST public speaking skills I've ever seen, and he usually ignores the members and spends his time around the girls. In my expierence, the members usually bad mouth him behind his back. No one has ever told me they respected Erich. He's a clown without makeup. Our unit calls him "that idiot."

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]
[SIZE=5][COLOR=DarkRed]Disloyalty to Erich is loyalty to the National Alliance[/COLOR].[/SIZE]

[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=4]Gliebe is down to a couple dozen supporters and most of them are girl groupies who don't yet know about his other girl groupies. In the last week, the inner defenses of the two tyrants have been breached. The end is near for the disgusting duo.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=onetruth]....and more and more and more $$$$$$[/QUOTE]
I see I'd totally underestimated Gliebe's crookedness. He'd be the biggest crook in Pocahontas County, except that he is so seldom here.

Jerry Abbott

[QUOTE=Vikinkur]I don't understand why an immoral jerk like Gliebe became the new leader. It should have been Jerry Abbot, the second to Pierce morally, ideologically and intellectually.[/QUOTE]
No. I am deficient in the "inspire and motivate my fellow men" department. I write well, and I figure well, but I have little talent with people. In fact, I have a bit of a problem dealing with people, and an NA leader must do so regularly. It would have had to be someone like Will Williams. I will restrict myself to supporting roles, but those only for worthy leaders.

Jerry Abbott

[QUOTE=MsVinland]...Did Pringle claim this was stated? Thinking about this it makes me wonder how this man was working for them, and all of a sudden comes out with this now. Just maybe he is trying to cover his own ass.[/quote]
I think that Pringle's motivation is revenge. If Gliebe & Walker had paid him fairly, Mr. Pringle would probably still be in their camp. He has not so much done the right thing because it is right, as he's been squeezed out of his share of recognition and reward by the gang he used to run with.

I see others making nice to D.P. now, probably to enourage him to reveal what he knows from being an NA insider for the past year. It may be impolitic for me to say so, but I believe that WHY someone abandoned Gliebe is more important than simply that he did so.

That is, I think it's likely that Pringle is telling us mostly true things about the despicable corruption of Gliebe and Walker. But I'm not convinced that he is a really reformed character. The good guys left early. No promise of reward or position could hold them to that tainted leadership. Although David Pringle is doing a positive thing, he may be doing it because of a vendetta with a pair of villains, not simply because they are villains.

Jerry Abbott

[QUOTE=SkinnyMonkey]To me, these are the same thing. Why the unrelenting devotion to the former NA bums who haven't accomplished anything in 30 years [cont on p94] ...[/QUOTE]
Pierce built the NA, the most successful white organisation in the world. What the current crew have done with it is another matter.

[QUOTE=Jenab]I see others making nice to D.P. now, probably to enourage him to reveal what he knows from being an NA insider for the past year. It may be impolitic for me to say so, but I believe that WHY someone abandoned Gliebe is more important than simply that he did so.[/QUOTE]
Very much so.

Pringle had no problem with all the sleaze until it turned out that he wasn't getting his share of the pie.

[QUOTE=Librarian]Very much so.

Pringle had no problem with all the sleaze until it turned out that he wasn't getting his share of the pie.[/QUOTE]

If all this stuff is true...Dr P will be spinning in his grave

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]I partially agree with this except I'd like to add, that Stacy was a big drunken whore who pursued Erich non stop and she was seperated from her husband at the time, but it still doesn't make it ok.[/QUOTE]

I would not get involved with a married woman who is legally seperated -- especially if she has children. There is a very good chance that if given time, she and her husband will reconcile and re-form their family, which is usually in the best interests of their children. Any man who would go waltzing into a situation like that and does anything to encourage the woman to remain seperated from her husband, and thereby increase the chances she will go through with a divorce -- just to get some strange pussy -- has the moral character of a street nigger. I don't care if the woman throws herself at him. The man should consider what is best for the children involved. And especially if he is not in love with the woman and eager to take her as his wife and to support the children as his own, then again, he has the morals of a street nigger if he steps in and takes advantage of such a situation. This is just trashy business all the way around. Fifty years ago society recognized it and condemned it as such. Such a thing was scandalous. And now we have a guy -- who is supposed to be leading a moral and social revolution that is supposed to rid our society of such niggerized behavior -- engaging in such affairs himself.

Gliebe should quit the NA and seek a career in mainstream party politics. He would fit right in. But he has no business even pretending to lead the National Alliance.

[QUOTE=jamesthelawyer]Fred,
I'm new to this. I've had it with Gliebe and Walker. But I love the NA. How do we get rid of those two clowns and put someone in who represents the members of the NA? I want make the NA strong again.
From every contact I've ever had with Erich, I've went away shaking my head. He's not friendly, has the WORST public speaking skills I've ever seen, and he usually ignores the members and spends his time around the girls. In my expierence, the members usually bad mouth him behind his back. No one has ever told me they respected Erich. He's a clown without makeup. Our unit calls him "that idiot."[/QUOTE]

Put pressure on your UC. If the UCs and other movers and shakers within the NA were to band together and demand Gliebe step down perhaps they would be successful. I would advise setting up a new board of directors consisting of the UCs and other prominant people within the NA. Perhaps Gliebe could be left on the new BOD in order to make the transition smoother. The new BOD would then select a new chairman. An executive committee of some kind would need to be set up to run the org in the interim. One of the first things the new BOD would have to do is to set up bylaws. This would define the duties and powers of the chairman and other officers.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Put pressure on your UC. If the UCs and other movers and shakers within the NA were to band together and demand Gliebe step down perhaps they would be successful. I would advise setting up a new board of directors consisting of the UCs and other prominant people within the NA. Perhaps Gliebe could be left on the new BOD in order to make the transition smoother. The new BOD would then select a new chairman. An executive committee of some kind would need to be set up to run the org in the interim. One of the first things the new BOD would have to do is to set up bylaws. This would define the duties and powers of the chairman and other officers.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that he will ever go voluntarily. This is a pipedream.

[QUOTE=Hadding]I don't believe that he will ever go voluntarily. This is a pipedream.[/QUOTE]

No, he won't go voluntarily, he will need to be pressured. If enough members quit paying dues to the NAHQ and the UCs basically remove their entire units from Gliebe's and Walker's control then he might be forced into co-operating. The hard part will be prying enough of the NA's assets loose from Gliebe and Walker to keep the organization afloat, i.e. the real estate, the inventory for NVB and Resistance Records, what is left of any bank accounts, etc.

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]Great quality, Mike Murray did an awesome job on it...but...wouldn't a new recruiting DVD have done more good?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. A new recruiting DVD is vital. I think Murray is now working on a Folk the System DVD.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]The hard part will be prying enough of the NA's assets loose from Gliebe and Walker to keep the organization afloat, i.e. the real estate, the inventory for NVB and Resistance Records, what is left of any bank accounts, etc.[/QUOTE]
I think that's more than the hard part. I think that's almost the whole thing. Who would support an uninspiring clod like Gliebe with no assets? And if the remaining hangers-on desert him (as many have already) and he keeps the assets (as I think he surely will), what then?

[QUOTE=Hadding]I think that's more than the hard part. I think that's almost the whole thing. Who would support an uninspiring clod like Gliebe with no assets? And if the remaining hangers-on desert him (as many have already) and he keeps the assets (as I think he surely will), what then?[/QUOTE]

If ZOG doesn't get him for something then he might get away with it for awhile. There is an excellent chance that he will eventually end up swinging from a lamp pole.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Put pressure on your UC. If the UCs and other movers and shakers within the NA were to band together and demand Gliebe step down perhaps they would be successful.[/QUOTE]
If the UC's co-ordinate their efforts and ensure that - as a bloc - everyone stops paying dues etc., then the empire will fall away from beneath Gliebe's feet. Ultimately, Gliebe cannot resist that. Sure, he could go - BNP style - on a spree, expelling everyone who organised against him, but that would amount to the same thing in the end.


I would advise setting up a new board of directors consisting of the UCs and other prominant people within the NA. Perhaps Gliebe could be left on the new BOD in order to make the transition smoother. The new BOD would then select a new chairman. An executive committee of some kind would need to be set up to run the org in the interim. One of the first things the new BOD would have to do is to set up bylaws. This would define the duties and powers of the chairman and other officers.
He would then either have to play ball or - perhaps more likely - would lash out, sell the real estate and run. That being the case, the trick will be to have the right legal snares in place before moving against him, in order to make sure that he can't sell up.

[QUOTE=Jenab]No. I am deficient in the "inspire and motivate my fellow men" department. I write well, and I figure well, but I have little talent with people. In fact, I have a bit of a problem dealing with people, and an NA leader must do so regularly. It would have had to be someone like Will Williams. I will restrict myself to supporting roles, but those only for worthy leaders.

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]

Gee, thanks a lot, Jerry...I think.

I sort of treasure my solitude, too, and like to insulate myself from the rabble as best I can, or at least deal with them on my terms, so as to avoid the stressors facing a fully racially aware White man. But I've always enjoyed dealing with the rare like-minded White who "gets it." If all it took to be a worthy leader was to deal effectively with like-minded people that Dr. Pierce managed to attract, regularly, then I suppose I might qualify on that count. Any number of people should have been able to fill that role after Dr. Pierce died. I can't think of one person that Gliebe deliberately ran off who I couldn't have "dealt with." It's noteworthy that Gliebe was apparently unable to work with ALL of Dr. Pierce's most trusted staff and board of directors and many other cadremen. It must be that we're all "feds."

I don't believe Gliebe has anywhere near the facility for solving problems as he has for creating them. He refuses to tackle problems head on. Dealing with problems as they arise is more important than dealing with personalities. It takes a good team and cooperative teamwork to deal with the kinds of problems we dare to undertake. Gliebe was handed a well-oiled championship team and has pissed it away almost entirely in just two years time. He has lost the respect of those he's charged to lead as more and more of his ineptitude is exposed. The only question left for remaining Alliance members to ask now is, "Just how deep does the corruption run under Gliebe?"

[QUOTE=White Will]Gee, thanks a lot, Jerry...I think.

I sort of treasure my solitude, too, and like to insulate myself from the rabble as best I can, or at least deal with them on my terms, so as to avoid the stressors facing a fully racially aware White man. But I've always enjoyed dealing with the rare like-minded White who "gets it." If all it took to be a worthy leader was to deal effectively with like-minded people that Dr. Pierce managed to attract, regularly, then I suppose I might qualify on that count. Any number of people should have been able to fill that role after Dr. Pierce died. I can't think of one person that Gliebe deliberately ran off who I couldn't have "dealt with." It's noteworthy that Gliebe was apparently unable to work with ALL of Dr. Pierce's most trusted staff and board of directors and many other cadremen. It must be that we're all "feds."

I don't believe Gliebe has anywhere near the facility for solving problems as he has for creating them. He refuses to tackle problems head on. Dealing with problems as they arise is more important than dealing with personalities. It takes a good team and cooperative teamwork to deal with the kinds of problems we dare to undertake. Gliebe was handed a well-oiled championship team and has pissed it away almost entirely in just two years time. He has lost the respect of those he's charged to lead as more and more of his ineptitude is exposed. The only question left for remaining Alliance members to ask now is, "Just how deep does the corruption run under Gliebe?"[/QUOTE]


Where's Vic Gerhard these days? I'd like to hear his views on all this.

[QUOTE=Librarian]



He would then either have to play ball or - perhaps more likely - would lash out, sell the real estate and run. That being the case, the trick will be to have the right legal snares in place before moving against him, in order to make sure that he can't sell up.[/QUOTE]
Legal snares? I'm no lawyer but that sounds too vague and complicated to me. This is fundamentally a dispute over property ownership. The rightful owners need to assert their right.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Where's Vic Gerhard these days? I'd like to hear his views on all this.[/QUOTE]

Though he is a big fan of VNN Mr. Gerhard doesn’t really do internet forums. I don’t presume to speak for him but in my conversations with Mr. Gerhard I gather he is of the majority opinion that Gliebe, Pringle, Strom and Walker are corrupt and incompetent men that leave a certain stench behind them wherever they traverse. If you mean what is his legal opinion as a corporate lawyer, I had several conversations with him about this topic back when Our Hero Pringle, as Membership Coordinator, was leading a drive to get one of his own members and a member of the Board of Directors fired from her job. I don’t understand all the legalspeak but from what I could ascertain the case was so convoluted and the corporation managed with such irregularities that a judge might not be able to untie the Gordian knot and could possibly decide to just wash his hands and throw the case out. He was of the opinion that the legitimate Board of Directors could, eventually, mount a successful legal challenge but that the NA could drag the case out for ten years or more using NA assets to fund their case, just as they are using NA assets to fund their vendetta lawsuit against Dr. Bob, also a former member of the Board of Directors, while the plaintiffs would have to rely on their own personal savings or contributions. In the end the lawyers will get all the money and there will be no assets left to fight over and by which time whatever is left of the NA, if anything, will be beyond a whisper of recognition. His advice, like his advice to Johnny Dixon who quit after he found out he was getting ripped off by Resistance, was that, yes, Erich and Company are criminals and, yes, you could possibly win a court battle, but is it worth the time, aggravation and expense to walk away with an empty victory? If so, pursue the case; if not, move on. After all what is the National Alliance? Is it a warehouse of depleted and ransacked shelves or is it the legacy of Dr. Pierce’s philosophy? Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance.

Ben Vinyard

[QUOTE=Ben Vinyard]Though he is a big fan of VNN Mr. Gerhard doesn’t really do internet forums. I don’t presume to speak for him but in my conversations with Mr. Gerhard I gather he is of the majority opinion that Gliebe, Pringle, Strom and Walker are corrupt and incompetent men that leave a certain stench behind them wherever they traverse. If you mean what is his legal opinion as a corporate lawyer, I had several conversations with him about this topic back when Our Hero Pringle, as Membership Coordinator, was leading a drive to get one of his own members and a member of the Board of Directors fired from her job. I don’t understand all the legalspeak but from what I could ascertain the case was so convoluted and the corporation managed with such irregularities that a judge might not be able to untie the Gordian knot and could possibly decide to just wash his hands and throw the case out. He was of the opinion that the legitimate Board of Directors could, eventually, mount a successful legal challenge but that the NA could drag the case out for ten years or more using NA assets to fund their case, just as they are using NA assets to fund their vendetta lawsuit against Dr. Bob, also a former member of the Board of Directors, while the plaintiffs would have to rely on their own personal savings or contributions. In the end the lawyers will get all the money and there will be no assets left to fight over and by which time whatever is left of the NA, if anything, will be beyond a whisper of recognition. His advice, like his advice to Johnny Dixon who quit after he found out he was getting ripped off by Resistance, was that, yes, Erich and Company are criminals and, yes, you could possibly win a court battle, but is it worth the time, aggravation and expense to walk away with an empty victory? If so, pursue the case; if not, move on. After all what is the National Alliance? Is it a warehouse of depleted and ransacked shelves or is it the legacy of Dr. Pierce’s philosophy? Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance.

Ben Vinyard[/QUOTE]
I still hold the utmost respect for kevin , since he does and always has put every ounce of his time, money and energy into productivity for our cause.

But what happened to DR Pierces vision??The poor man gave it his all ,built the organisation with his own blood and sweat from nothing.He faught to a bitter end and asked for no quarters and none were given.It is no other than a mockery made by gliebe and his cronies to the great mans legacy.

I'm getting more pissed off every fucking day with the sad state of the NA leadership , and I believe Pringle is telling the truth - Gliebe will be the death and ruin of the National Alliance.
His leadership has been utter pathetic with no goals reached ,threatening fbi investigations on members,finace bogus projects with FUCKING WHORES AND PAYING THOSE SKANkY BITCHES with the hard earned cash of moral well meaning alliance members! How did it ever come to this?

I hereby knight gliebe the honorary eternal JEW.

Another thing I never understood , is why Gliebe never turned up at the New Orleans leadership conference.In such a high profile position as being the chairman of the national alliance , wouldnt you expect at least a fuckin appearence never mind a speech>yet he couldnt even deliever on that.
The man has no brains ,or problem solving skills -just brawn and alliance money for race mixing hookers.

I've always been a consistent and harsh critic of Gliebe, although I still held out hope for the organizaiton and continued to support it, mostly because of my respect for Dr. Pierce and what the NA had once been.

I have to admit that I was wrong to do this.

Originally Posted by NorWind
Using the pretext that Kelso was taking secret notes, Walker and several other big thugs pounced on Kelso in a secluded room and accused him of being a spy and wearing a “wire” to make tape recordings. Walker took a piece a paper that Kelso surrendered and burnt it. Then the gang bullied and intimidated Kelso until he stripped to prove that he wasn’t wearing a wire.

Even Kelso tried to keep the strip search secret but Duke and Black found out later. Duke told Gliebe to go to hell.

Walker further retaliated by ordering the NA leaders to not cooperate with EURO.
[QUOTE=Casper]If this account is accurate someone in a position of authority needs to verify it's accuracy and the individuals engaging in this type reprehensible behavior should to be held accountable for their actions.

Perhaps under new leadership, possibly Strom the organization can be salvaged. Sooner or later facts will come out and I admire David Pringle's willingness to place his reputation on the line, I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to go public though I would have preferred handling the release of information is a slightly different manor.

Duke should step up to the plate and say whether the information regarding Kelso is true or not. I take Duke at his word. Black is in a unenviable position as Stormfront's administrator but has afforded Pringle an opportunity to air his concerns.[/QUOTE]
Who was Jamie accused of spying for? Duke? Duke would certainly be a more effective leader of the NA than Gliebe, and I think Duke's and the NA's target audiences (leaving out Resistance) converge these days.

That's quite a story. Must have ruined the NA fun for Jamie.

[QUOTE=EdbergEdberg]I've always been a consistent and harsh critic of Gliebe, although I still held out hope for the organizaiton and continued to support it, mostly because of my respect for Dr. Pierce and what the NA had once been.

I have to admit that I was wrong to do this.[/QUOTE]

One thing I've always admired about you, Edberg, you knucklehead, is that once you've been shown that you were wrong about something you admit it flat out. There are still outstanding Alliance members hanging in like you were, holding out hope that what they dedicated so much of themselves to has not really been stolen and corrupted. You should probably have words with those you know like this who have held out and let them know that you can no longer support the National Alliance.

Ben Vinyard wrote:
"...After all what is the National Alliance? Is it a warehouse of depleted and ransacked shelves or is it the legacy of Dr. Pierce’s philosophy? Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance."

You're right, Ben. You and the eight men you list above were brought together by Dr. Pierce. We're all not exactly pulling in the same direction presently, but we all know what needs doing and we haven't really drifted very far apart. The "on and on and on's" you refer to, the scores, if not hundreds of resolute men and women cut from the same timber, not to mention the thousands of supporters who can be counted on to help, are still out here, biding their time as things seek their proper course.

If Dr. Pierce had properly arranged his affairs before he died and had given more consideration to what his successor would be faced with, Gliebe could have never survived his first year of bumbling. Dr. Pierce left a mess for the board to sort out and they did the best they could to do so. Things will sort out eventually. The National Alliance assets are worth fighting over, if the ones with standing to challenge Gliebe can find the support to mount a challenge. Members who remain in good standing should be PISSED and should be demanding accountability from Erich Gliebe OR HIS HEAD!

[QUOTE=

Ben Vinyard wrote:
"...After all what is the National Alliance? Is it a warehouse of depleted and ransacked shelves or is it the legacy of Dr. Pierce’s philosophy? Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance."

You're right, Ben. You and the eight men you list above were brought together by Dr. Pierce. We're all not exactly pulling in the same direction presently, but we all know what needs doing and we haven't really drifted very far apart. The "on and on and on's" you refer to, the scores, if not hundreds of resolute men and women cut from the same timber, not to mention the thousands of supporters who can be counted on to help, are still out here, biding their time as things seek their proper course.

If Dr. Pierce had properly arranged his affairs before he died and had given more consideration to what his successor would be faced with, Gliebe could have never survived his first year of bumbling. Dr. Pierce left a mess for the board to sort out and they did the best they could to do so. Things will sort out eventually. The National Alliance assets are worth fighting over, if the ones with standing to challenge Gliebe can find the support to mount a challenge. Members who remain in good standing should be PISSED and should be demanding accountability from Erich Gliebe OR HIS HEAD![/QUOTE]

Slightly off topic,didn't Ben Vineyard previously write articles for N.V.org? thanks.Damage Case

[QUOTE=Ben Vinyard]Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance.

Ben Vinyard[/QUOTE]
It takes material assets to build an effective mass-media, which seems to me to be the major thrust of Dr. Pierce's view of what in practical terms ought to be done. Dr. Pierce pinched pennies to advance his practical aims and now the accumulated assets are being squandered. Sure we can still follow a righteous path as individuals, but what a loss.

[QUOTE=Hadding]It takes material assets to build an effective mass-media, which seems to me to be the major thrust of Dr. Pierce's view of what in practical terms ought to be done. Dr. Pierce pinched pennies to advance his practical aims and now the accumulated assets are being squandered. Sure we can still follow a righteous path as individuals, but what a loss.[/QUOTE]

It's a travesty...comparable only to the death of GLR.

[QUOTE=MP40]I still hold the utmost respect for kevin, since he does and always has put every ounce of his time, money and energy into productivity for our cause.[/QUOTE]
That's right. Erich Gliebe even effectively fired Kevin Strom in an email a year or a little more ago. Copies of that email are floating around. I'll try to find and post one. As usual, Gliebe backed down and said it was just a misunderstanding. :rolleyes: We’re heard that before.

[QUOTE=MP40]But what happened to DR Pierces vision??The poor man gave it his all ,built the organisation with his own blood and sweat from nothing.He faught to a bitter end and asked for no quarters and none were given.It is no other than a mockery made by gliebe and his cronies to the great mans legacy.

I'm getting more pissed off every fucking day with the sad state of the NA leadership , and I believe Pringle is telling the truth - Gliebe will be the death and ruin of the National Alliance.

His leadership has been utter pathetic with no goals reached ,threatening fbi investigations on members,finace bogus projects with FUCKING WHORES AND PAYING THOSE SKANkY BITCHES with the hard earned cash of moral well meaning alliance members! How did it ever come to this? [/QUOTE]
Yes, the fame of a dead man's deeds have been defamed by the living. Dr. Pierce's white soul showed through in every word he wrote or spoke. Those who pretend to be his successors speak with their own black souls. Like you, I go back and forth between profound sadness and deep-seated anger.

[QUOTE=MP40]Another thing I never understood , is why Gliebe never turned up at the New Orleans leadership conference.In such a high profile position as being the chairman of the national alliance , wouldnt you expect at least a fuckin appearence never mind a speech>yet he couldnt even deliever on that.
The man has no brains ,or problem solving skills -just brawn and alliance money for race mixing hookers.[/QUOTE]
Allegedly, Gliebe couldn't show because his rap music partners in California including King Kumba (a black), and two ex-cons (one is/was a lawyer) didn't like Duke. When they snapped their greasy fingers, Gliebe jumped. Hopefully the "audit" will discover whether any payments were made (openly or with cash) to the California crooks. If they even got 1¢ of NA's money..... :mad:

[QUOTE=Damage Case][QUOTE=


Slightly off topic,didn't Ben Vineyard previously write articles for N.V.org? thanks.Damage Case[/QUOTE]

Damage Case,

Hi. I am unaware of any of my articles appearing on the national vanguard website. I don't read their site often, but I would find it unlikely they would knowingly print any of my material even if I wrote the next Bonfire of the Vanities. I have written some articles for White Revolution to fill the gap between Chairman Roper's message and Vice-Chairman Gerhard's. It is probably the case that you have seen them on VNN. Despite my poor writing skills Mr. Linder sometimes puts them on his front page, I think more out of pity than anything else.

Ben Vinyard

[QUOTE=onetruth] The National Alliance is running another record label other than Resistance. It is called Unholy Records. I recently got a hold of one of the CDs they put out by a band called Nachtmystium. The title is called Reign of the Malicious. On the back it states the band believes in “no politics we represent human extinction”. Another title on their website at http://www.unholyrecords.com/ is Sadoscope with their up coming CD Galleries of Gore.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=David_Pringle] Gliebe is working on a "big score" with Tom Meztger, Tom Padgett (a convicted scam artist who now runs a psychic hotline) and a nigger named King Kuumba.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=David_Pringle] If there are any NA members reading this look at the plug for the new Grom CD in the last monthly BULLETIN. They have about $12,000 tied up in that CD and to date have only sold about 80. Think of how many NA billboards that could have paid for. [/QUOTE]
This next quote is from the Gliebe's National Alliance’s Resistance website

[QUOTE=Resistance Record website] Vaginal Jesus - Affirmative Apartheid $14.88 (product Review) by Doug Swanson
Fairly funny lyrics/titles but lets face it, it sucks. If you have ever heard or heard of "Anal Cunt" the band, this will remind you alot of them. I am pretty convinced it IS them. [/QUOTE]
In fact, if you check out the Internet scuttlebutt on these bands (Vaginal Jesus and Anal C*nt), you will find that it’s generally accepted that they are the same band playing under two different names.

Here is the link to that quote on Gliebe’s Resistance website, but it may not last:
http://www.resistance.com/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=366&reviews_id=153

Gliebe’s real culture is not reflected in those European Cultural Festivals occasional put on by NA units but in the musical that he produces and sells.

http://resistance.com/catalog/images/vaginal.jpg

Vaginal Jesus IS Anal C*nt. I know this for a fact.

Yep. Gliebe is all up Seth's ass, too. He's one of the many people that Erich attempts to schmooze. They also produce that CD. I'm not offended by it. In fact I like it. But I don't think that the NA should have produced it... It's a little too extreme for the NA and the title alone could leave a very bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths.

-Tom

[QUOTE=David_Pringle]Vaginal Jesus IS Anal C*nt. I know this for a fact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tom88]Yep. Gliebe is all up Seth's ass, too. He's one of the many people that Erich attempts to schmooze. They also produce that CD. I'm not offended by it. In fact I like it. But I don't think that the NA should have produced it... It's a little too extreme for the NA and the title alone could leave a very bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths. -Tom[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=4] [COLOR=Navy]Seth Putnam Evil genius behind Gliebe’s Vaginal Jesus Band[/COLOR] [/SIZE]

Prolific “musician” and band leader Seth Putnam heads and plays in 13 bands including Gliebe’s Vaginal Jesus, Anal C*nt, Angry Hate, and C*ntsaw.

Gliebe is known to have attended at least one Anal C*nt concert, and schmoozed his business associate and band leader Seth Putnam. Gliebe was able to get Anal C*nt to play several Vaginal Jesus songs. Putnam is Anal C*nt and he is Vaginal Jesus.

Seth Putnam (second from left) with "longtime friend yasuhiro koketsu" (left).
http://www.sethputnam.com/index-filer/yaz.jpg

[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3]The Big 13: Top Songs by Anal C*nt: [/SIZE][/COLOR]
1. YOU WERE TOO UGLY TO RAPE, SO I BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU
2. EVEN THOUGH YOUR CULTURE OPPRESSES WONEN, YOU STILL SUCK YOU FUCKING TOWELHEAD
3. I GOT AN OFFICE JOB FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SEXUALLY HARASSING WOMEN
4. YOU CONVERTED TO JUDAISM SO A GUY WOULD TOUCH YOUR DICK
5. MIKE MAHAN HAS GINGIVITIS
6. PHYLLIS IS AN OLD ANNOYING C*NT
7. I BECAME A COUNSELOR SO I COULD TELL RAPE VICTIMS THEY ASKED FOR IT
8. I SENT A THANK YOU CARD TO THE GUY WHO RAPED YOU
9. I INTENTIONALLY RAN OVER YOUR DOG
10. WOMEN: NATURE'S PUNCHING BAG
11. YOU ROBBED A SPERM BANK BECAUSE YOU'RE A CUM GUZZLING FAG
12. THE ONLY REASON MEN TALK TO YOU IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET LAID, YOU STUPID FUCKING C*NT
13. YOU'RE PREGNANT, SO KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=4]Erich Gliebe, music mogul, has Vaginal Jesus in his stable of bands.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/E/ir_108_divided01_200x160.jpg

[SIZE=3]Can you imagine any Jewish degeneracy lower than Anal C*nt?
Can you imagine anything more degenerate? [/SIZE]

Gliebowitz likes another band called "Cock and Ball Torture." He has such a fixation with sex that he even mentioned porno during his recent ADV interview.

Broadcast Text (http://www.natall.com/pub/091804.txt)

Gliebe on ADV: "I was on vacation in Canada, sitting
around a lake, when a guy about 30 years old approached me and
asked me if I'd like to go fishing out on his boat. I had nothing
else going, so I accepted his offer.

We got out to the middle of the lake, dropped our lines in the
water, and he began ranting about how arrogant and demanding his
Jewish girlfriend was. And in the next moment, unaware of who I
was, he told me that he himself was a Jew. He then delved even
further into his own personal life, admitting that he was a
recovering alcoholic and a former heroin addict who spent most of
his free time watching porno movies.

I looked over at him and thought to myself: This guy is pathetic."

Ya, pathetic is the right word. Anyone who knows this kook has heard him bring up porno over and over again. He thinks about it all the time. It's no wonder he is moving his Playmate girlfriend to the "farm house," Bob and Amanda's old house, and may even be putting her in charge of Resistance Records and what a great choice...she is a member of the "Church of Hitler!" Yes, GoGoNaziGirl is a priestess in this Church of Hitler and Bruva E Gee takes sacrament from her alter. Freaky-deaky alright! Did you see the picture of her? Even her pussy his shaved like Hitler's mustache!

One has to ask the simple question? How long will this match made in heaven last? What happens when Erotic Erika goes to the Roadhouse (Skipper and Gliebowitz's favorite local watering hole) and finds out her man has fucked the manager and even the dead guy's sister-in-law. Damn, that's some sick shit!

Gliebe is promoting this filth?

Why not produce a small booklet exposing him? Nicely produced, with plenty of checkable facts, pix etc. Then distribute it at unit meetings to those decent white folks who still have no idea.

[QUOTE=NorWind]1. YOU WERE TOO UGLY TO RAPE, SO I BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU
2. EVEN THOUGH YOUR CULTURE OPPRESSES WONEN, YOU STILL SUCK YOU FUCKING TOWELHEAD
3. I GOT AN OFFICE JOB FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SEXUALLY HARASSING WOMEN
4. YOU CONVERTED TO JUDAISM SO A GUY WOULD TOUCH YOUR DICK
5. MIKE MAHAN HAS GINGIVITIS
6. PHYLLIS IS AN OLD ANNOYING C*NT
7. I BECAME A COUNSELOR SO I COULD TELL RAPE VICTIMS THEY ASKED FOR IT
8. I SENT A THANK YOU CARD TO THE GUY WHO RAPED YOU
9. I INTENTIONALLY RAN OVER YOUR DOG
10. WOMEN: NATURE'S PUNCHING BAG
11. YOU ROBBED A SPERM BANK BECAUSE YOU'RE A CUM GUZZLING FAG
12. THE ONLY REASON MEN TALK TO YOU IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET LAID, YOU STUPID FUCKING C*NT
13. YOU'RE PREGNANT, SO KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH[/QUOTE]


[SIZE=5]Can we say:[/SIZE]

http://vigrid.clarence.com/archive/images/Cancello%20di%20Auschwitz.JPG

[SIZE=5]For all involved?[/SIZE]

The bottom line to all this is that there are many, many of us members who know some of the acusations are true or at least based in truth, and that a lot of them are just b.s. but we will continue to remain members because we believe in Dr. P's mission and to be totally honest what goes on at headquarters has little effect on our local units. If headquarters vanished today it wouldn't stop our local unit activism for a minute. Things will continue to roll on here as usual no matter what happens!

Aryan Truth: Following bad leaders is a reflection of your own weakness.

[QUOTE=MidnightSun]Aryan Truth: Following bad leaders is a reflection of your own weakness.[/QUOTE]
Dr. Pierce is my leader.

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]... to be totally honest what goes on at headquarters has little effect on our local units. If headquarters vanished today it wouldn't stop our local unit activism for a minute. Things will continue to roll on here as usual no matter what happens![/QUOTE]

This in itself is an indication that there is a complete lack of not only leadership from NAHQ but also ideological direction.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]This in itself is an indication that there is a complete lack of not only leadership from NAHQ but also ideological direction.[/QUOTE]

"ideological direction"

How so?

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]Dr. Pierce is my leader.[/QUOTE]

Snap out of it. Dr. Pierce is dead.

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]"ideological direction"

How so?[/QUOTE]

As in, there ain't any.

From my perspective not much has changed as far as the local units go under the leadership of Gleibe as they were under Dr.P, at least in my area of the country. We had little interaction with HQ then and just as little now.
Whatever turmoil that may or may not be going on at HQ, we are to busy with all of the local projects to let that side track us from our goal of the 14 words.
If you think that makes us some kind of suckers well then so be it, but the units are the heart and soul of the N.A. and we won't let our local members or our community down by putting a halt to all that we have created over the years.

[SIZE=4] "Resistance is not interested in carrying any Satanic music, but we do sell a lot of Pagan Metal." --[COLOR=DarkRed]Erich Gliebe[/COLOR] in his alleged email to the anti-racists [/SIZE]
[QUOTE=NorWind][SIZE=4] [COLOR=Navy]Seth Putnam Evil genius behind Gliebe’s Vaginal Jesus Band[/COLOR] [/SIZE]

Prolific “musician” and band leader Seth Putnam heads and plays in 13 bands including Gliebe’s Vaginal Jesus, Anal C*nt, Angry Hate, and C*ntsaw.

Gliebe is known to have attended at least one Anal C*nt concert, and schmoozed his business associate and band leader Seth Putnam. Gliebe was able to get Anal C*nt to play several Vaginal Jesus songs. Putnam is Anal C*nt and he is Vaginal Jesus.

Seth Putnam (second from left) with "longtime friend yasuhiro koketsu" (left).
http://www.sethputnam.com/index-filer/yaz.jpg

[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3]The Big 13: Top Songs by Anal C*nt: [/SIZE][/COLOR]
1. YOU WERE TOO UGLY TO RAPE, SO I BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU
2. EVEN THOUGH YOUR CULTURE OPPRESSES WONEN, YOU STILL SUCK YOU FUCKING TOWELHEAD
3. I GOT AN OFFICE JOB FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SEXUALLY HARASSING WOMEN
4. YOU CONVERTED TO JUDAISM SO A GUY WOULD TOUCH YOUR DICK
5. MIKE MAHAN HAS GINGIVITIS
6. PHYLLIS IS AN OLD ANNOYING C*NT
7. I BECAME A COUNSELOR SO I COULD TELL RAPE VICTIMS THEY ASKED FOR IT
8. I SENT A THANK YOU CARD TO THE GUY WHO RAPED YOU
9. I INTENTIONALLY RAN OVER YOUR DOG
10. WOMEN: NATURE'S PUNCHING BAG
11. YOU ROBBED A SPERM BANK BECAUSE YOU'RE A CUM GUZZLING FAG
12. THE ONLY REASON MEN TALK TO YOU IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET LAID, YOU STUPID FUCKING C*NT
13. YOU'RE PREGNANT, SO KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=4]Erich Gliebe, music mogul, has Vaginal Jesus in his stable of bands.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

http://www.splcenter.org/images/imglib/E/ir_108_divided01_200x160.jpg

[SIZE=3]Can you imagine any Jewish degeneracy lower than Anal C*nt?
Can you imagine anything more degenerate? [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=5]This is just Pagan Metal -- Erich Gliebe[/SIZE]

[COLOR=Navy][SIZE=4] "Resistance is not interested in carrying any Satanic music, but we do sell a lot of Pagan Metal."[/SIZE][/COLOR] --[COLOR=DarkRed]Erich Gliebe[/COLOR] in his alledged email to his radical anti-racist correspsondents.

http://resistance.com/catalog/images/vaginal.jpg

[SIZE=5]Is this you idea of a pagan music?[/SIZE][COLOR=Navy][/COLOR]

It's not Pagan anything - it's filth.

Gliebe is a degenerate. How many NA members actually know what's in the catalog? Seriously. Most voters don't even know what's in the manifesto of the party that they vote for.

[QUOTE=Librarian]It's not Pagan anything - it's filth.

Gliebe is a degenerate. [/QUOTE]

I would classify this trash in the filth section, the Jew has done well with these boys, from their "lyrics" and look, they are trying to be white niggers!

The photo of the band, are these Mexicans (a couple look oriental)???
They look the way the Jews and Jewsus worshipers want us to see Pagan!

Just in case you're still riding the fence about whether anal cunt is degenerate jew filth here is some cover art from Anal Cunt albums.

http://www.sethputnam.com/disco.htm

And here are some pictures of Seth (a die hard racist) who looks pretty happy to be seen with non-whites!

http://www.sethputnam.com/pix/album.html

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Just in case you're still riding the fence about whether anal cunt is degenerate jew filth here is some cover art from Anal Cunt albums.
[/QUOTE]

disgusting vomit. indecent filth. shows a sort of jewishly morbid fascination with sex death and elimination. truly freudian. big mistake to be associated with this crap.

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Just in case you're still riding the fence about whether anal cunt is degenerate jew filth here is some cover art from Anal Cunt albums.

http://www.sethputnam.com/disco.htm

And here are some pictures of Seth (a die hard racist) who looks pretty happy to be seen with non-whites!

http://www.sethputnam.com/pix/album.html[/QUOTE]


Why? Why is that degenerate POS Gliebe doing this to the NA? What are his motives? How can he justify this crap as having ANYTHING to do with White survival? Is it just stupidity and incompetance, or does the snake oil salesman have a hidden agenda?

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Why? Why is that degenerate POS Gliebe doing this to the NA? What are his motives? How can he justify this crap as having ANYTHING to do with White survival? Is it just stupidity and incompetance, or does the snake oil salesman have a hidden agenda?[/QUOTE]

One might ask the same about all rock-n-roll.

Seth Putnam was smarter than I expected; it was a pleasant surprise. I don't know whether to pass judgment re: his politics, but he is insightful and fights with humor and Vaginal Jesus seems popular.

Interview with Seth Putnam:
http://www.anus.com/metal/zine/death_metal/issue4.txt

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Just in case you're still riding the fence about whether anal cunt is degenerate jew filth here is some cover art from Anal Cunt albums.

http://www.sethputnam.com/disco.htm

And here are some pictures of Seth (a die hard racist) who looks pretty happy to be seen with non-whites!

http://www.sethputnam.com/pix/album.html[/QUOTE]

As a member of the N.A.,I'm disgusted that an off shute of the org. would even CONSIDER selling this garbage.True N.A. members despise such filth.Nothing lasts forever,neither will gliebe,period.
HAIL DR.PIERCE!

My dues will not support Vaginal Jesus/Anal Cunt, Erich Gliebe, his girlfriends, and Shaun Walker. I'm done. No more money from me. Erich is not in touch with the membership or our values. He's completely immoral.
Can anyone tell me how all this has happened under my nose and I never put two and two together? I'm ashamed of myself. I guess I love Dr. Pierce and the NA too much. I wanted to believe all this Resistance stuff was good to recruit kids, even if I didn't like it. I'm ashamed of myself.

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Just in case you're still riding the fence about whether anal cunt is degenerate jew filth here is some cover art from Anal Cunt albums.

http://www.sethputnam.com/disco.htm

And here are some pictures of Seth (a die hard racist) who looks pretty happy to be seen with non-whites!

http://www.sethputnam.com/pix/album.html[/QUOTE]


After reading through the entire site, seeing all the titles, the "artwork" if you can call it art, and viewing the pictures, this piece of crap appears to be a Howard Stern wanna-be. He uses the lyrics, images and song titles for shock value only and couldn't give a damn about anything else. It's my opinion that this Putnam character is a JEW. Only a JEW would spread such disgusting FILTH. No TRUE White Nationalist would tolerate this JEWi$h FILTH..

http://resistance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32_59&products_id=1059&osCsid=e709cef0d2af44c5a4d6ba488bb0e480


http://resistance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32_66&products_id=1213&osCsid=e709cef0d2af44c5a4d6ba488bb0e480

http://resistance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32_66&products_id=1163&osCsid=e709cef0d2af44c5a4d6ba488bb0e480

"Resistanse is not interested in any Satanic music" ~ Erich Gliebe

In regards to Seth Putnam, he is a racist and hates Jews. That picture of him with a Japanese man is from a Japan tour they just did.

I enjoy Vaginal Jesus and Anal Cunt. While Anal Cunt isn't directly a White power band, Vaginal Jesus is. The music that Vaginal Jesus plays is targeted towards younger people who enjoy that style of music, not towards professionals or older folks.

Also, FYI, you can burn Anal Cunt tracks to a CD from Seth's website for free:

http://www.sethputnam.com/downloads.htm

[QUOTE=Ronald Anderson]In regards to Seth Putnam, he is a racist and hates Jews. That picture of him with a Japanese man is from a Japan tour they just did.

I enjoy Vaginal Jesus and Anal Cunt. While Anal Cunt isn't directly a White power band, Vaginal Jesus is. The music that Vaginal Jesus plays is targeted towards younger people who enjoy that style of music, not towards professionals or older folks.

Also, FYI, you can burn Anal Cunt tracks to a CD from Seth's website for free:

http://www.sethputnam.com/downloads.htm[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking stupid? Why would a racist band even do a tour in a non-white nation? So this band is actually two bands, one that is racist and one that isn't. The fact that total fucking idiots like you accept this jewish filthy piece of white trash into the movement says volumes about the stupidity among us.

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Are you fucking stupid? Why would a racist band even do a tour in a non-white nation? So this band is actually two bands, one that is racist and one that isn't. The fact that total fucking idiots like you accept this jewish filthy piece of white trash into the movement says volumes about the stupidity among us.[/QUOTE]

Vaginal Jesus didn't tour Japan, Anal Cunt did. Once again, Seth isn't Jewish. As mentioned before, the music Vaginal Jesus plays is designed for younger people. Example:

http://www.resistance.com/audio/MP3/Slave%20Runaway%20)%20Beat%20Rodney%20Down.mp3

[QUOTE=Ronald Anderson]Vaginal Jesus didn't tour Japan, Anal Cunt did. Once again, Seth isn't Jewish. As mentioned before, the music Vaginal Jesus plays is designed for younger people. Example:

http://www.resistance.com/audio/MP3/Slave%20Runaway%20)%20Beat%20Rodney%20Down.mp3[/QUOTE]


This looks like Howard Stern material if I ever saw it..

The Big 13: Top Songs by Anal C*nt:
1. YOU WERE TOO UGLY TO RAPE, SO I BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOU
2. EVEN THOUGH YOUR CULTURE OPPRESSES WONEN, YOU STILL SUCK YOU FUCKING TOWELHEAD
3. I GOT AN OFFICE JOB FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SEXUALLY HARASSING WOMEN
4. YOU CONVERTED TO JUDAISM SO A GUY WOULD TOUCH YOUR DICK
5. MIKE MAHAN HAS GINGIVITIS
6. PHYLLIS IS AN OLD ANNOYING C*NT
7. I BECAME A COUNSELOR SO I COULD TELL RAPE VICTIMS THEY ASKED FOR IT
8. I SENT A THANK YOU CARD TO THE GUY WHO RAPED YOU
9. I INTENTIONALLY RAN OVER YOUR DOG
10. WOMEN: NATURE'S PUNCHING BAG
11. YOU ROBBED A SPERM BANK BECAUSE YOU'RE A CUM GUZZLING FAG
12. THE ONLY REASON MEN TALK TO YOU IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET LAID, YOU STUPID FUCKING C*NT
13. YOU'RE PREGNANT, SO KICKED YOU IN THE STOMACH

Anal Cunt and the scumbags who produce and manufacture them would be the first people to be rounded up during a general clean up effort.

I allow my teenage son to listen to Ian Stuart and a few other pro-White bands but would draw the line if I saw a Vaginal Jesus CD or poster on the wall. Not because I am Christian but because it is degenerate filth.

From what I heard Dr. Pierce told Ari Gliebowitz that if he wanted to produce Vaginal Jesus he would have to fund it himself; so he did. Ari was so sure these degenerates would sell loads of CD’s that he had 1,000 CD’s pressed….about 100 have actually sold, half of the rest were traded for Polish metal that never sells either.

What a train wreck!

[QUOTE=Victor_Spoonbridge]Anal Cunt and the scumbags who produce and manufacture them would be the first people to be rounded up during a general clean up effort.

I allow my teenage son to listen to Ian Stuart and a few other pro-White bands but would draw the line if I saw a Vaginal Jesus CD or poster on the wall. Not because I am Christian but because it is degenerate filth.

From what I heard Dr. Pierce told Ari Gliebowitz that if he wanted to produce Vaginal Jesus he would have to fund it himself; so he did. Ari was so sure these degenerates would sell loads of CD’s that he had 1,000 CD’s pressed….about 100 have actually sold, half of the rest were traded for Polish metal that never sells either.

What a train wreck![/QUOTE]
Actually I think Gleebo used NA money for it after Dr. Pierce died. It just kind of appeared in the warehouse and Gleebo didn't seem to much want to talk about it.

[QUOTE=Victor_Spoonbridge]Anal Cunt and the scumbags who produce and manufacture them would be the first people to be rounded up during a general clean up effort.
....

Ari was so sure these degenerates would sell loads of CD’s that he had 1,000 CD’s pressed….about 100 have actually sold, half of the rest were traded for Polish metal that never sells either.

What a train wreck![/QUOTE]

So you're saying, he's dishonest AND INCOMPETENT TOO? LOL

[QUOTE=Jenab]No. I am deficient in the "inspire and motivate my fellow men" department. I write well, and I figure well, but I have little talent with people. In fact, I have a bit of a problem dealing with people, and an NA leader must do so regularly. It would have had to be someone like Will Williams. I will restrict myself to supporting roles, but those only for worthy leaders.

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]

Obviously a new structure needs to be built, and the structure needs to reflect on the human material and it's quality, rather than one of the flawed choices made popular by familiarity with a Jewish upbringing. We need strong ideological leadership, but we also need delivery. People respond to many kinds of clues. Visual ones, verbal ones, qualities of image, voice, tone. All of these add up to being as influencial as the substance of what is said ever did for most of the common folks.

The human material does exist for these things. Imagine somehow combining the abilities and substance of Will Williams, Kevin Strom, Jerry Abbott, Robert DeMarias, Fred Streed, Alex Linder, and others, etc, so on...

I think that it would be wise to judge Dave's character on more than merely this incident. In all fairness it is easy to apply ones judgement unevenly among persons. The truth is difficult for a person to independently ascertain. Kevin Strom is still in that group, yes?

Lets look at the money issue another way. Perhaps Dave heard the reports of fiscal malfeasance, and refused to believe it because of matters of steadfast trust and loyalty. That they treated him unfairly was not merely _personal_, it was also data which he had first-hand to draw on. I'm only advising caution. In the end, Dave is the man he is, and the fact is that he did come along. The last wave surely has not occurred yet.

[QUOTE=Jenab]I think that Pringle's motivation is revenge. If Gliebe & Walker had paid him fairly, Mr. Pringle would probably still be in their camp. He has not so much done the right thing because it is right, as he's been squeezed out of his share of recognition and reward by the gang he used to run with.

I see others making nice to D.P. now, probably to enourage him to reveal what he knows from being an NA insider for the past year. It may be impolitic for me to say so, but I believe that WHY someone abandoned Gliebe is more important than simply that he did so.

That is, I think it's likely that Pringle is telling us mostly true things about the despicable corruption of Gliebe and Walker. But I'm not convinced that he is a really reformed character. The good guys left early. No promise of reward or position could hold them to that tainted leadership. Although David Pringle is doing a positive thing, he may be doing it because of a vendetta with a pair of villains, not simply because they are villains.

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=White Will]Gliebe was handed a well-oiled championship team and has pissed it away almost entirely in just two years time. He has lost the respect of those he's charged to lead as more and more of his ineptitude is exposed. The only question left for remaining Alliance members to ask now is, "Just how deep does the corruption run under Gliebe?"[/QUOTE]

Will, I think you are focusing on the most significant, most important thing. Whats more, it's irrefutable, and indefensable. Its almost unnecessary to go beyond that. The resources we have [had], including the organizational resource (a tangible abstract), the wielding of man to man as Dr. Pierce put it in one of his older speeches, constitute materials that are a Holy and sacred trust. Just because organizational wielding is an abstract makes it no less rare or valuable. Its destruction is no less henious or damaging to our people.

LMWAO oh come on guys how can you go wrong with a song title like "you converted to judaism so a guy could touch your dick"... That is some funny stuff right there. It puts a whole new prespective on Judaism if you ask me.....




[QUOTE=Dave42089]This looks like Howard Stern material if I ever saw it..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ben Vinyard]... yes, you could possibly win a court battle, but is it worth the time, aggravation and expense to walk away with an empty victory? If so, pursue the case; if not, move on. After all what is the National Alliance? Is it a warehouse of depleted and ransacked shelves or is it the legacy of Dr. Pierce’s philosophy? Here’s the mystery of the quotient: you don’t have to send ten dollars a month to a gang of thieves to follow Dr. Pierce’s teachings and try and apply them to our current situation to the best of your ability and understanding. Will Williams doesn’t; Fred Streed doesn’t; Jerry Abbott doesn’t; Alex Linder doesn’t; Billy Roper doesn’t; Dr. DeMarais doesn’t; Hadding Scott doesn’t; Victor Gerhard doesn’t; and on and on and on. The brightest and the best under Dr. Pierce’s tutelage have long since departed company. Dr. Pierce lives in his accumulated works but his spirit is no longer found in the National Alliance.
Ben Vinyard[/QUOTE]

Beautifully worded.

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]The bottom line to all this is that there are many, many of us members who know some of the acusations are true or at least based in truth, and that a lot of them are just b.s. but we will continue to remain members because we believe in Dr. P's mission and to be totally honest what goes on at headquarters has little effect on our local units. If headquarters vanished today it wouldn't stop our local unit activism for a minute. Things will continue to roll on here as usual no matter what happens!
...
"ideological direction"

How so?[/QUOTE]

What Fred probably means is this:

[QUOTE=Little Colleen]to be totally honest what goes on at headquarters has little effect on our local units. If headquarters vanished today it wouldn't [...blah...blah...blah] Things will continue to roll on here as usual no matter what happens![/QUOTE]

Think about your own words a moment. You are saying that there is no ideological leadership from the NAHQ, exactly what Fred said in plainer terms.

[QUOTE=WhiteMan4WhiteLand]Are you fucking stupid? Why would a racist band even do a tour in a non-white nation? So this band is actually two bands, one that is racist and one that isn't. The fact that total fucking idiots like you accept this jewish filthy piece of white trash into the movement says volumes about the stupidity among us.[/QUOTE]


Get this . . . why would the singer of a racist band refer to a black his "pal"?

"i recently talked with old pal, katon from hirax, and he wants hirax to do a split 7" with you're fired. we hope to record that early next year."

Scroll down to October 22nd Update
http://www.sethputnam.com/archive1999-2002.htm

You can see Seth's "pal" at www.hirax.org

[QUOTE=outsider]Get this . . . why would the singer of a racist band refer to a black his "pal"?

"i recently talked with old pal, katon from hirax, and he wants hirax to do a split 7" with you're fired. we hope to record that early next year."

Scroll down to October 22nd Update
http://www.sethputnam.com/archive1999-2002.htm

You can see Seth's "pal" at www.hirax.org[/QUOTE]


Despicable. These pieces of shit, nigger included, polluted Germany with their presence.
http://www.blackdevilrecords.com/HIRAX%20photos.htm