Why did the Latin language disappear from "mainstream"?

Wasn't it offered in schools a couple of decades ago?

Just curious.

It's still taught in the bigger high schools but its popularity has dropped pretty dramatically. The problem is twofold:

1) low supply: there aren't many who can speak/teach Latin (in undergraduate there are even less Classics majors than there are Philosophy or Religion majors); most decent-sized and well-funded high schools (i.e., predominantly white suburban schools) still are looking for someone to teach Latin so a Classics professor can always count on that to fall back on if he can't find a teaching job at the university level.

2) low demand: most kids today are too dumb to learn an ancient language which has little in common with modern English, of the kids that can few would take it because Latin has no utility in our money-orientated society, tradition is not in vogue.

Now I'm curious why only the largest, well-funded schools still teach German and even then only rarely. If we ever were a traditional society we would make it a priority to teach that instead of Spanish (not that I have anything against Spaniards). English is, of course, a Germanic language and the dominant 'ethnic' group in this country is German.

Main reason Latin is mostly gone is that from about 1965 on you could get a college degree at almost all American universities without any language requirements. This came a shock to some of us who couldn't even get out of grade school (pre-65) without some Latin and maybe a bit of French or Greek.

Classical languages make for independent thinkers and there are those who don't especially want that.

This is more of a tragedy than it's made out to be. Discoveries in our people's past are coming thick and fast right now, and to make sense of them, "dead" languages are the key.

Although slightly off-point, I'd say that some Common Greek should be an absolute requirement for any wanna-be White leader. Latin is quite important, but Greek was the language of all educated men during the most fecund period of our history. (And after that, a bit of Sumerian and Egyptian would make history lots more accessable too, but I wouldn't make them mandatory!)

No doubt the Roman Church dropping Latin Mass was a major blow to the demand for and supply of Latin studies.

Jews benefitted to be sure. Jews made out like the bandits they are in Vatican 2 didnt they?

I believe that Latin originally fell victim to the idea that education ought to have obvious relevance to everyday life. This was partially due to the influx of many people of limited academic ability into compulsory public schooling, and partially due to the philosophy of John Dewey, which tended to exacerbate already existing trends that were unfavorable to the study of academically elite subjects like Latin.

The fact that Latin requires a lot of memorization and discipline is also an important factor. Memorization is regarded in Deweyism as a traumatic imposition on the poor children's delicate little psyches. At the same time, the systematic character of Latin makes it rather unsuitable for Deweyist "learning by doing" although there are texts that attempt to teach it that way.

Also I have noticed that many highschools that offer Latin end up with insufficient enrollment in Latin because they offer too many alternatives. In recent years, for some strange reason, many highschools have begun offering Japanese even though Japan is no longer especially important as an economic power. In the quest for relevance they chase shadows and offer something that is really irrelevant.

It boils down to a lack of conviction that Latin is worth the effort that is needed to learn it, and a lack of will to require it, but certain trends in the philosophy of education (and a decline in the average ability of students which provokes those trends) have contributed to this situation.

You figure English is difficult enough for lemmings to learn as it is evident in today's high schools and the literacy rates dropping. Plus Latin, which I brought up due to European historical relations, would have to compete with ebonics!

I always assumed Latin as an intellectual language and wondered if its disappearence was due to the increasing third world immigration where English is a more universal language. Latin would then discriminate against the mud wave.

Wow, insightful comments Hadding. Hadnt made those connections. Quite so.

I was fortunate enough to have Latin still offered in the high school I attended in the early 1970's and am very thankful for it. Today that high school and the muds which attend it have trouble with basic English I'm sure.

Ben Klassen was an admirer of Latin and had unique ideas about the use of that language. His comments about it can be found below:

http://apache.airnet.com.au/~colin3rd/creativity/holybooks/ner-2-26.html


READ: Natures Eternal Religion

http://apache.airnet.com.au/~colin3rd/creativity/holybooks/ner.html
or
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/eugenics.html

I guess I was lucky, because my high school began offering Latin when I was a sophomore, so I did have the opportunity to study it for 3 years, and then to study German in college. One thing that was odd was that our teacher came over on an exchange program from England, because they could not find a qualified teacher here in North Carolina. While other language classes (Spanish & French) were usually packed, my Latin I class had around 20 students, Latin II had about 12-15, and Latin III had 6 (not suprisingly, the same 6 were also in the advanced placement English & History courses). I think that a lot of students don't see the value in Latin, and schools are pushing students to take Spanish to accomodate our mestizo invaders, so schools are dropping the Latin programs for a lack of interest - many schools cannot fill a class, and they lose money on small classes. This is one of the things that probably will not change until we regain control of the school systems, and use them to teach one's culture & heritage, instead of teaching conformity and mediocrity and using them to make money off of children.

Ya, it really makes you think of the big picture. Many good points brought up by everyone. Thank you! I thought of Latin as one of last remaining languages of European culture. Obscure now? Yes, but it definately should not be forgotten.

As for moving forward, its probably best to get into media related careers and schooling. Beat the jew at his own game. That includes, movie/music making, productions, computer related animations, script writing, camera and stage production and whatever else is available in the entertainment biz. I'm sure this stuff has been monopolized by jews, meaning, good luck sending out White Nationalist messages to the lemmings within their studios and channels. However, I'm very sure it can be done...starting with subliminal messaging and joking and gradually up the ante while everyone is craving for more (and explicit) information.

Once our organization of our peoples solidifies, those are one of the avenues to pursue...that and politics. Teaching would be another profession that is influential to the next generation.

Since we are the true minority (WN), we have to start cliimbing the ladder the way the jews did when they started to infiltrate American society.
Take notes as to what interested them first.
How was that goal reached each time.
How was the success topped.
How to stay exclusive from the rest of the population.
And so on.

Didn't mean to sidetrack, but had to get that out before I lost the momentum.

Ya, it really makes you think of the big picture. Many good points brought up by everyone. Thank you! I thought of Latin as one of last remaining languages of European culture. Obscure now? Yes, but it definately should not be forgotten.

As for moving forward, its probably best to get into media related careers and schooling. Beat the jew at his own game. That includes, movie/music making, productions, computer related animations, script writing, camera and stage production and whatever else is available in the entertainment biz. I'm sure this stuff has been monopolized by jews, meaning, good luck sending out White Nationalist messages to the lemmings within their studios and channels. However, I'm very sure it can be done...starting with subliminal messaging and joking and gradually up the ante while everyone is craving for more (and explicit) information.

Once our organization of our peoples solidifies, those are one of the avenues to pursue...that and politics. Teaching would be another profession that is influential to the next generation.

Since we are the true minority (WN), we have to start cliimbing the ladder the way the jews did when they started to infiltrate American society.
Take notes as to what interested them first.
How was that goal reached each time.
How was the success topped.
How to stay exclusive from the rest of the population.
And so on.

Didn't mean to sidetrack, but had to get that out before I lost the momentum.

I'm in the film biz and can tell you many a story about the jews and movies. Making movies isn't hard, by the way, and there is a real technical revolution going on in this field today that is potentially as damaging to them as is the INTERNET in terms of disseminating information (which is, of course, what movies really are anyway). All anyone needs to make a decent movie today is the ability and willingness to work hard in a group. In my experience with us WN volk - it is tough to do this because of our unruly individuality, but also our self indulgence. The jews really do the team effort thing for a common goal. We need to copy them in this - but to make movies that sell our not their message.
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I wish Latin was offered when I was in highschool. I don't know how old a lot of people on this board are, but I really think I was cheated by the public edjewcational system. I've tried to make up for it by reading a lot of books, but being cheated of learning Latin, a key classical language, when I, and others, were young enough to actually LEARN it, is a travesty.

You can learn the whole Latin grammar in two semesters in a program that uses Wheelock's New Latin Grammar as its introductory text. I was in my late 20s when I took up Latin. You can learn it if you really are motivated.

You can learn the whole Latin grammar in two semesters in a program that uses Wheelock's New Latin Grammar as its introductory text. I was in my late 20s when I took up Latin. You can learn it if you really are motivated.

I agree. Latin isn't a modern spoken language like German or French; getting your Latin education early is NOT as important as it is for modern spoken languages. Wheelock is a great book; I have two friends who swear by it.

That said, I took Spanish in junior high and high school and forgot most of it. I took German for 1.5 years in College and spent 2 months in Germany studying the language. I don't consider myself crippled linguistically, when it comes to German at least. Yes, younger kids can pick up spoken languages easier naturally, but adults aren't completely cut off from learning them, especially in a well-structured learning environment, and even more so in an immersion environment.

I took ancient Greek for one semester in college and nearly failed the class. I simply didn't have the requisite work ethic for that class -- I kind of coasted through most of college. I procrastinated a lot. The class nearly wiped me out. Good thing it was an elective.

The main reason is that we are in the information age and it requires time to have that information. We don't have time to study another language.

I learned Spanish fluently in prison and now that I'm out I haven't even enough time to learn French. I have about 12 books on Latin grammar but no time to study. With guitar lessons and work and a life there is no time.

When I get more money I won't have to work as much and I'll do Latin but until then I can't.

The main reason is that we are in the information age and it requires time to have that information. We don't have time to study another language.

I learned Spanish fluently in prison and now that I'm out I haven't even enough time to learn French. I have about 12 books on Latin grammar but no time to study. With guitar lessons and work and a life there is no time.

When I get more money I won't have to work as much and I'll do Latin but until then I can't.

I hope you mean you studied Spanish, because the corrupt tongue bespoke by most cholos bears as much resemblance to Castillian as Ebonics does to English.

I wish Latin was offered when I was in highschool. I don't know how old a lot of people on this board are, but I really think I was cheated by the public edjewcational system. I've tried to make up for it by reading a lot of books, but being cheated of learning Latin, a key classical language, when I, and others, were young enough to actually LEARN it, is a travesty.

You're never too old to learn a new language. Pimsleur offers a great selection of languages (because Swahili and Ojibwe are extremely useful languages to have at one's disposal) and it's a decent method. There are also interactive CD-ROMs available that are respectible method-wise as well. Transparent Language does that sort of thing.

I just graduated from high school in 2002 and we had several sections of Latin. Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a decline in the amount of people learning the language. :confused:

I just graduated from high school in 2002 and we had several sections of Latin. Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a decline in the amount of people learning the language. :confused:

Depends on where you live. In my area the only languages taught in schools are English and French. However, there are many languages offered in night courses at colleges, universities, and high schools.