We seek the stars.

Many stars have other planets orbiting them.

Some of those planets may have life on them.

We may encounter alien races on those planets.

How are we going to act when we encounter those alien races?

Will we react with fear and hate?

Will we try to exterminate them?

Perhaps that is the evolutionary purpose of this struggle we are in on Earth, to prepare us to deal peacefully with alien races in the future, no matter how frightening they may appear, or how deep the chasm of mis-understanding between us.

If we cannot yet interact with alien races here on Earth without wanting to exterminate them, then how will we comport ourselves when we encounter alien races in outer space that are immeasurably different from us than Jews and non-Whites?

For this reason, we are not yet ready to travel to the stars.

Until we collectively overcome this urge towards primitive tendencies, we will not evolve.

That is why the Nazi movement and all other hate and fear based movements must be eliminated... so we can prepare for next step on the journey.

That is what the Nazis do not understand... they speak of going to the stars, but they unknowingly retard our progress with every other breath.

They speak of going to the stars, yet they follow Hitler and the Nazis down into a black hole of hate.

There is no light in a black hole.

But Stars give off Light.

If we want to go to the Stars, then we must go towards the Light.

Therefore, we must intercept the lost, enlighten them and reorient them towards an upward path.

I am trying:

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223

With a spirit of co-operation, we can accomplish anything.

We seek the Stars.

Perhaps you will help?

There are no aliens to interact with. Humans are not capable of space travel for long durations. Calcium loss alone will kill them fast, although not as fast as a good solar storm.

Aliens are bogus and space travel is over. Wake up to the 21st century, where we know we got one world to make work or nothing at all.

[QUOTE=Vlad]
Our wills to make war and peace each have an appropriate purpose. A tenuous trust enabled by separation promotes peace, but one party may not agree to separation. It may be a lifeform that understands that it requires the other party in order to exist at all, not having known any other way of existence.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps that is why many Whites resist my pragmatic plan to separate from the Jews?

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223

Many black people resist separation from Whites, yet at the same time endlessly berate us.

I have noticed that many Nazis are the same way towards Jews... they love to hate the Jews so much, that the minute someone proposes a practical plan to actually ship the Jews out, everyone shoots it down.

Perhaps the Nazis cling to Jews to cover a deep-seated fear of being separated from them... "not knowing any other way of life".

If so, it is probably all subconscious, but still very bizarre.

[QUOTE=FranzJoseph]There are no aliens to interact with. Humans are not capable of space travel for long durations.[/quote]

Right, but the closer you get to the speed of Light, the more time slows down... so the trips could actually be very short in duration.

Calcium loss alone will kill them fast, although not as fast as a good solar storm.

If the ancient vikings had that mentality, they would have never sailed as far as they did. You're like the guy at the dock telling the vikings not to sail West because there are dragons on the map in that direction.

Aliens are bogus and space travel is over. Wake up to the 21st century, where we know we got one world to make work or nothing at all.

That's funny, the Nazis were fascinated with rockets, the USA went to the moon with Nazi scientists, and Strom others of the NA speak of our destiny of going to the stars once we can get the parasites off our backs. Scientists are now speaking of colonizing Mars.

Where do you think it is all ultimately heading?

Obviously throughout the galaxy and to other solar systems eventually. You also overlook that mammoth spacecraft could be designed the size of cruise ships, with multiple generations living aboard to take very long journeys. Not to mention the variable nature of the passage of time.

Time is just a dimension (the 4th), and man has discovered faster and faster ways to travel through these 3 dimensions we are in now. So what makes you think we won't discover ways to travel faster and faster through the 4th dimension as well.

It's clear that you can't see very far into the future evolutionary and technological development of mankind. I see trends. The trend of the White Race is towards expedition, discovery, travel and colonization... and that will extend into the solar and galactic levels eventually. It is rooted in our genes.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Well since in this cycle your on a anti N.S. crusade which is amusing I will however think of the meeting other alien races on other worlds as was a neato question.[/quote]

Yes, it is one that scientists ponder quite frequently.

How would they react to us? Is the major question I do not buy the peace nik view of the cosmos as it only is a extenison of there weak out look. A exact detailed study of the different aliens would be needed what is friendly to us could be a insult of the highest kind to them. etc There would be war like races and maybe some primatives some not so advanced and others light years beyond us. Based on their attitude and out look and mutial needs, would be the main factor of dealing with them. In the furture we could need living space on other worlds as well as maybe raw resources and if there were specis on that planet with intelligence to resist us they would have to be wiped out after we have a exact study of the planet. Then we would settle our own race in there. We would need to have strong Military power so they would respect us thought might.

You are looking at the event through your current level of perception. But the event, if it occurs, would occur in the distant future, and our consciousness will have evolved so much by then, that your current model of perception will no longer be applicable.

In the furture on this earth there will be only one race left on it

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps there will be none. Perhaps there will be just one mixed race. Or perhaps there will be distinct races living in exclusive homelands all over the globe, in a peaceful confederation of mutually beneficial nations. The last one is what I am shooting for.

To aspire to obtain the entire planet for only our race, is not only unrealistic considering that we do not even have one exclusive nation to ourselves, but also very primitive in terms of advancement of consciousness.

the question whites face is what one will it be?

Or which 3, or which 4, or 5, or 6, or 100?

With enough racial consciousness and desire for self-preservation, Whites could not be mixed out, even if there were 1000 different races on this planet... and maybe that caliber of mutually exclusive self-preservation instinct is what's needed to prepare us for space travel and/or interaction with alien races. To be so secure and solid in our own racial identity, that you don't fear being around alien races (whether on Earth or in space), because you have utmost faith in your ability to survive ANY circumstances.

That would make the best candidate for space travel... a race with no fear of alien races, and hence no need to hate them or try to exterminate them. Face it... the root of most hate is really fear.

[QUOTE=ErikD] Face it... the root of most hate is really fear.[/QUOTE]

Oh that's really good, did you get that line from tv? wasn't that an ADL sponsored ad? How can you be so out of touch with reality? TV.

MidnightSun, your location says "Vunnland" instead of "Vinnland." :D

[QUOTE=SheerTerror]MidnightSun, your location says "Vunnland" instead of "Vinnland." :D[/QUOTE]

It's supposed to be VNNLand, but I like the sound of vun better. I'll change it.

BTW, I agree with your post. ErikD was bringing tears to my eyes. :D

[QUOTE=MidnightSun]It's supposed to be VNNLand, but I like the sound of vun better. I'll change it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MidnightSun]Oh that's really good, did you get that line from tv? wasn't that an ADL sponsored ad? How can you be so out of touch with reality? TV.[/QUOTE]

I do not watch television. I do not even own a television.
I came to my conclusions from many years of meditation and inner reflection, combined with outer perception of my environment. If you were really an Aryan, you would have at least a basic understanding of Aryan Buddhism, which originated from Aryan Hinduism, which is Vedism.

Do you understand any of these things?

Hate does spring from fear. I fear for my race's existence, therefore I hate my race's enemies. Its simple. Hatred wouldn't be an emotion if it weren't needed. And yeah, I meditate sometimes too, but it hasn't turned me into a hippie leftist either. Be realistic.

An alien race from another planet can't be compared to the races here. First off, there would be no danger of interbreeding, since they'll be completely different from us. Second, there probably wouldn't be any competition over land/resources, because they're adapted to life in their own unique environments. They prolly wouldn't even look remotely human-like.

Man, I'm seriously disappointed in you after reading the first post in this thread. I thought you were doing good keeping everyone in here on their toes...but I could do without all this "Love & Light" bull.

Some people go overboard on the hate, sure. But c'mon, you expect us to love Jews after everything they've done throughout history? I don't "hate" other races that STAY IN THEIR OWN LANDS, when they're LUCKY ENOUGH to have THEIR OWN HOMELANDS. What I ahte are people who exploit this Aryan-built nation. And there are plenty of White expoiters, too, and I hate them as much as I hate Jews.

[QUOTE=ErikD]Listen to me... I do not watch television. I do not even own a television.
I came to my conclusions from many years of meditation and inner reflection, combined with outer perception of my environment. If you were really an Aryan, you would have at least a basic understanding of meditational techniques and concepts from Aryan Buddhism, which originated from Aryan Hinduism, which is Vedism.

Do you understand any of these things?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ErikD]Listen to me... I do not watch television. I do not even own a television.
I came to my conclusions from many years of meditation and inner reflection, combined with outer perception of my environment. If you were really an Aryan, you would have at least a basic understanding of meditational techniques and concepts from Aryan Buddhism, which originated from Aryan Hinduism, which is Vedism.

Do you understand any of these things?[/QUOTE]

I understand that you are a cockroach. Oh and I was right about you being a hippie! :p

Originally Posted by ErikD
[COLOR=Red]Face it... the root of most hate is really fear. [/COLOR]


[QUOTE=MidnightSun]Oh that's really good, did you get that line from tv? wasn't that an ADL sponsored ad? How can you be so out of touch with reality? TV.[/QUOTE]



Isn't that such a precious, political correct line :rolleyes:
The whole purpose of this bizarre thead was made even more obvious by those annoying, extremely liberal words. I feel like I have stumbled upon the transcript of an Oprah Winfrey show. :eek:

[QUOTE=MidnightSun]I understand that you are a cockroach. Oh and I was right about you being a hippie! :p[/QUOTE]

Does that make the original Caucasian Vedic Aryan Brahmins hippies too?

You are aware that the Nazis sent expeditions to Tibet, are you not?

Why do you think that was?

[Quote=ErikD]
Face it... the root of most hate is really fear.[/quote]

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]
Isn't that such a precious, political correct line
[/QUOTE]

There is nothing politically correct about observing and identifying the genesis and trasmutation of emotions.

Fear is an alarm system to alert you that something is wrong. It is not good or bad in itself, though chronic and overwhelming fear can short-circuit the mind... leading to hate... leading to destruction of something or someone.

Fear is neutral. How we respond to that fear is where the value judgements come into play. Fear can motivate a person to negative action, or to positive action.

I am advocating positive action to save our race, and an abandonment of negative strategies rooted in the past.

[QUOTE=ErikD]We seek the stars.
Many stars have other planets orbiting them.
Some of those planets may have life on them.
We may encounter alien races on those planets.
How are we going to act when we encounter those alien races?...
[/QUOTE]

Hey, ErikD! Remember Erik Hawthorne/George Burdi? He was another gung ho Creator who espoused RAHOWA! passionately, then had a crisis in faith when he got into a little trouble. He sounds like you now, though I doubt you've gone as far to the other extreme as he has by taking a non-White significant other and singing whatever he sings now with his racially diverse little anti-racist troupe. You're really just a few degrees apart in your newfound world view.

You ought to look up Erik, Erik? Get him to come on to your phora group and tell the gathered how evil and hateful racism is and how it screwed up his life. You guys remind me of an ex chronic tobacco addict. Once you quit you make it your life's work seeing that no other smoker can enjoy his habit. Well, friend, the strongly held hard line beliefs that you once were fanatic about are catching on in places like VNNF. You have no business here lecturing those who have no intention of deradicalizing their sound beliefs to embrace your dreamy, half-baked marshmellow thingy. You were right to criticize Hale's over-the-top, in-your-face grandstanding approach and his carelessness in allowing the wrong people get too close to him, but the Creativity idea will live on and find refinement long after guys like you and Erik Hawthorne and others who couldn't make the long haul are pushing up daisies.

Hey, are you going to answer that question I asked you about what authority did you Guardians of the Faith have to appoint Matt Hale PM as leader of the Creativity movement in the first place? There were plenty of long time Creators who obviously had a better grasp of what Klassen had built than you so-called Guardians of the Faith claimed to have. Who is guarding the Faith now?

[QUOTE=ErikD]We seek the stars.[/quote]

Yes. The white race is bound for the heavens. It is inevitable that the final frontier be explored and mapped out.

Many stars have other planets orbiting them.

This is a verifiable fact. Although we can currently only detect planets in the nearby region of our own galaxy, so far, scientists have discovered in excess of 230 planets orbiting other stars. None are earth-like and thought able to sustain or engender life. However, keep in mind that there are an estimated 200+ (some estimates say 400) billion (with a B) in our galaxy alone. Future technologies may be able to see much further and with far greater sensitivity that current ones. Seeing into other galaxies, of which there are also hundreds of billions, to detect planets and signals, may be nigh on impossible.

Some of those planets may have life on them.

The ones found tend to be gas giants, as their large gravitational pull creates the "wobble" of the star in question, which is the indication that the star has an orbiting planet. Relatively small worlds like Earth or Mars are much more difficult to detect. The odds for a planet having life are miniscule. But keep in mind that the the universe is, for all intents and purposes, infinite. So even long odds on life become a safe bet.

We may encounter alien races on those planets.

We may. And according to many sources, they have already encountered us and are, even at this moment, working along side our governments in secret bases all over the industrialized world. MJ-12 ring a bell? How about Area-51? Project Blackbird? There are numerous "conspiracy theories" describing close encounters of the 1st kind going on all over our planet. Ufology is a hobby and interest for literally thousands of people. Check it out. Make your own decisions.

How are we going to act when we encounter those alien races?

It will be a long time before humanity has the ability to cross the incredible distances between our star and even just the nearest stars. If contact is to be initiated by us, then it will be a long (500 years?) time in the future. There is a difference between hordes of aliens invading our borders and aliens on other worlds. One is unwanted life occupying our lands, while the other is life on other worlds. White men will act in accordance with their genetic imperatives should they ever "discover" life on other worlds.

Will we react with fear and hate?

If the aliens in question are hostile, warlike, and out to do us harm then I should hope we will react with hate, but not with fear. Fear and hate are not the related, no matter what Yoda says. Hate, when directed towards an enemy, is natural and biological. For instance, to react with hatred towards a jew, who is a type of alien, is the proper reaction. Hate, in the proper context, is a healthy emotion. Fear has nothing to do with it.

Will we try to exterminate them?

This is a rather simplistic question. It depends on the circumstances. If the aliens are benevolent, kind, and mean us no harm, then it would be illogical to attempt their extermination. However, knowing the nature of life and the predator and prey dichotomy of the natural world, it is highly likely that there are good aliens and bad aliens. The good ones want to help us and spread their higher technology. The bad ones just want to eat us.

Perhaps that is the evolutionary purpose of this struggle we are in on Earth, to prepare us to deal peacefully with alien races in the future, no matter how frightening they may appear, or how deep the chasm of mis-understanding between us.

They will likely have a humanoid form. That is, two legs with feet, a torso, two arms with hands, a neck, and of course, a head. They may be hairless, they may be extremely skinny. They may be strangely colored. They may have spooky almond-shaped large black eyes and oversized craniums for their massive brains. If they are able to travel around a galaxy in their ships, it is unlikely there will be huge amounts of "misunderstanding". If a species attains interstellar travel, it can be assumed that they understand much.

If we cannot yet interact with alien races here on Earth without wanting to exterminate them, then how will we comport ourselves when we encounter alien races in outer space that are immeasurably different from us than Jews and non-Whites?

Who wants to exterminate the "alien races here on Earth"? A tiny handful of hateful "racists"? Who is this "we" you keep referring to? Again, they will not be "immeasurably different" from us. They will likely be humanoid in appearance (this being nature's most efficient form) and highly intelligent. If they come to bring war and rape our planet of resources (ie Battlefield Earth then we will be obligated to react with the greatest militancy.

The difference between the contest now is that our current alien invaders are waging a quiet war of breeding and silent infiltration. The Mexicans and Africans swarming into our "nation" don't bring their fight to us through conventional warfare. If a massive mothership suddenly enters our solar system and deploys city-killing craft to hover over our major cities, then the contest will be not so subtle. This was simulated in the film Independence Day, where the jew Jeff Goldblum and his negro pal Will Smith save the Earth from certain annihilation by downloading a software virus onto the alien mothership. Jews and niggers (our worst alien enemies) save the world from those hateful aliens, the uhh, the little green guys with big heads.

For this reason, we are not yet ready to travel to the stars.

Actually, the reason we can't travely the stars is because we're nowhere near having the necessary propulsion systems and the uber-technology needed for long interstellar space flights. Our greatest test now is to send a manned mission to Mars in the next decade or two. Mars is, by cosmic standards, merely our next door neighbor. While Alpha Centauri (Proxima Centauri) is only 4.22 light years away, this is still a monumentally difficult distance to travel when considering today's technology. That's a 4.22 year voyage travelling at 299,792,458 meters per second. Our moon missions craft only attained speeds in the neighborhood of 30,000 miles per hour. Obviously, the reason we aren't ready to travel the stars has more to do with physical reality that with the perceived "tolerance, wisdom, and maturity" of "we".

Until we collectively overcome this urge towards primitive tendencies, we will not evolve.

Who again is "we"? Who do you presume to speak for? I am not sure what "primitive tendencies" refers to. If you mean white people "hating" the races that are competing with them for land, jobs, resources, and capital...then I say it is right to hate your enemy. It is not primitive for a race to achieve top status on it's planet only to let that status slip into oblivion because our enemies say any resistance is "hate" and intolerance. Nature doesn't care one way or the other. Whites have to become resolved and determined to win the contest they have been thrust into. They must cease to worry about the names their enemies call them in the process.

That is why the Nazi movement and all other hate and fear based movements must be eliminated... so we can prepare for next step on the journey.

Again, you link hate and fear. Just like a good little lemming. The "next step on our journey" is surviving in significant numbers the genocide being perpetrated against us by the jews and their racial tools. And what's more, any "journey" into the stars is not going to happen in your lifetime, nor in the life of your great great great great great great grandchildren. Just remember the 14 words and do your part.

That is what the Nazis do not understand... they speak of going to the stars, but they unknowingly retard our progress with every other breath.

You and FtheB, always harping on your Nazis. Do you see any Swastikas around here hampering the movement? Any morons dressed up in SS regalia? And violent antisocial types goose-stepping to martial music? No? Then stfu.

The only retarding of the Third Reich and the National Socialist experiment involved the retarded scum known as international jewry and it's total control of all mass media. Then Germany, with a little help from Italy and Japan, basically took on all the ZOGs of the world, and lost, as was bound to happen when the jews show their real power.

They speak of going to the stars, yet they follow Hitler and the Nazis down into a black hole of hate.

Oy, the hate! Oh stop with the hate! Turn the other cheek, love your enemy! Don't hate in the black hole. Hitler and NSDAP Germany was well on it's way to the stars. Then they ran into this little black hole called the jews. In case you didn't know, the only real haters in this world are the jealous little deformed jews and their rabid hatred of all things white, and superior to them.

There is no light in a black hole.

Niggers are black too. Any symbolism there?

But Stars give off Light.

Duh.

If we want to go to the Stars, then we must go towards the Light.

Like Carol Ann in The Poltergeist?

Therefore, we must intercept the lost, enlighten them and reorient them towards an upward path.

Give it about half a millenium or more, then let's talk. All we can do now is reach and dream, for reasons cited. And what's more, the great mass of people, even in the far future, will be relegated to an earth-bound life. Only a tiny percentage of elites will ever actually travel the stars.

In the very far future, humanity may populate distant regions of the galaxy, and even beyond. But that's the realm of science fiction and the distant future, at best. Jenab could tell you far better than I about the chances of this. Look him up.

I am trying:

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223[quote]

If the phora is so great, then why are you over here and not over there? We don't need 25 VNNF clones on the web. We need everyone who would go to those clones to come here and make VNNF 25 times bigger.

[quote]With a spirit of co-operation, we can accomplish anything.

Whites can accomplish anything when they cooperate as brothers amongst themselvs. And they will accomplish it all and more if they can get rid of the international parasites and their nigger lackeys. The mud races are the "ball" and the jews are the "chain" holding back white endeavor. And of course there is the greed, weakness, and short-sightedness of elite (rich) whites selling out there own and having no racial loyalty all in exchange for momentary monetary gain.

We seek the Stars.

Only an intelligent white man is capable of saying this. You are to be commended, if only for the goal and not for the reasons. Most of the world simply seeks sex, drugs, and money. The jews only seek world war, which they had at least twice in the last century. If the jew is anything, he is that which holds the white race back from it's destiny simply out of hate, fear, loathing, and his nature.

As most people hate that which is better than them, the jew is the embodiment of this sentiment when juxtaposed against the white race. Jealousy doesn't start with a j and e for nothing.

In your many assumptions about "we", you make the fatal error of assuming that all the races are just like the white race. You make the white man's error of believing that your enemies think and reason just like you do, with the same sense of honor, loyalty, reason, and intelligence. Our race's genetic predispostion towards weakness, moderation, and compassion have been main reasons for our losses these last hundred years. Whites are, generally speaking, huge suckers. Jews know this. Do the math.

Perhaps you will help?

Sure, where do I sign up? Or do I just go to the Phora and get all lovey dovey with everyone? Aren't you FtheB's little protege? Tell us again how our identification with Nazi imagery is doing irreparable harm to the movement. That and our violent message. Aren't we suppose to raise the bar and those sensible jews will see the light?

No jews, just right.

[QUOTE=ErikD]

It's clear that you can't see very far into the future evolutionary and technological development of mankind. I see trends. The trend of the White Race is towards expedition, discovery, travel and colonization... and that will extend into the solar and galactic levels eventually. It is rooted in our genes.[/QUOTE]

It's just that the Space Age is over and what comes next will be a new and breakthrough understanding of time. The Third Reich (according to old but reliable rumor) was throwing lots of resources at a mercury vortex "bell" that disappeared after WWII. It had to do with time travel, not space travel.

Conventional space travel via rockets was a dead end, that's all. And to take advantage of the more esoteric technologies we have to keep and hold our ground -- this planet of ours.

I look at most WN chatter about space as just a new version of white flight. "The neighborhood got bad, let's run." That's bullshit. There are things we can do. But first we have to stop running.

[QUOTE=White Will]Hey, ErikD! Remember Erik Hawthorne/George Burdi? He was another gung ho Creator who espoused RAHOWA! passionately, then had a crisis in faith when he got into a little trouble.[/quote]

I remember George Burdi, and I don't see what the big fuss is. A man has the right to change his mind and live his life how he sees fit. If you think his worldview and decisions are wrong, then you are welcome to contact him and enlighten him as to how.

He sounds like you now,

You mean I sound like him now.

though I doubt you've gone as far to the other extreme as he has by taking a non-White significant other and singing whatever he sings now with his racially diverse little anti-racist troupe. You're really just a few degrees apart in your newfound world view.

A few degrees by whose measurements? Your compass needs to be recalibrated.

You ought to look up Erik, Erik? Get him to come on to your phora group and tell the gathered how evil and hateful racism is and how it screwed up his life.

Perhaps we will do that, though Burdi is not a White Racialist, and most of the people at the Phora are. However, irrational, all-consuming hate does destroy peoples lives. I've seen it destroy a number of well-intentioned people, and it almost destroyed my life too.

You guys remind me of an ex chronic tobacco addict. Once you quit you make it your life's work seeing that no other smoker can enjoy his habit.

You compare Creativity to smoking. Are you saying that mindless, all-consuming hate of those whose you don't like is an addictive, destructive habit resulting in sickness and death?

I would have to agree.

Look at Bernhardt Klassen... he committed suicide. Look at the trail of death and destruction that has followed the (W)COTC... Creators going on killing sprees, committing foolish crimes, getting thrown in jail. Ben Smith... went on a killing spree. Hardy Lloyd... shot his girlfriend in the head.

Matt Hale... imprisoned for conspiring to murder a federal judge, which contrary to what everyone claims, he probably did want to happen, but he was just too clever to come right out and say it.

Like I said, I have seen the trail of death and destruction that has followed the (W)COTC, and after I almost fell into the same trap, I realized a new analysis of the creed was in order, and I found that the (W)COTC creed does nothing to advance "The 14 Words", and on the contrary, actually hinders and undermines.

The (W)COTC creed is like the Jewish Talmud for White People. Most honorable White people are disgusted by the things contained in the Talmud, so why should they go and adopt a form of White Talmudism in response?

"Jews are bad because they follow the Talmud."

"We Creators are good because we follow the White Talmud."

That's hypocrisy.

I don't believe in Creativity or any other cult. I believe in The 14 Words, and that's it. I don't subscribe to any hate-based nuttiness or the old "I'm anti-this or anti-that". That's all nonsense. Just red herrings.

Well, friend, the strongly held hard line beliefs that you once were fanatic about are catching on in places like VNNF. You have no business here lecturing

So, you give me a lecture about not lecturing people?

those who have no intention of deradicalizing their sound beliefs to embrace your dreamy, half-baked marshmellow thingy.

Well, if their beliefs are sound, then they should welcome such a test of objective, logical examination. If you know your beliefs are sound and based on truth, then what do you have to fear?

You were right to criticize Hale's over-the-top, in-your-face grandstanding approach and his carelessness in allowing the wrong people get too close to him, but the Creativity idea will live on and find refinement long after guys like you and Erik Hawthorne and others who couldn't make the long haul are pushing up daisies.

The only reason those Holybooks are online is because I lobbied for the project and initiated it. Without that, most of the (W)COTC would have disappeared with Hale. I helped build the internet presence for the (W)COTC and put up my own website for the group that brought in a lot of people. I helped build the group by investing thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into it, so I have earned the right to criticize it with an objective examination.

Hey, are you going to answer that question I asked you about what authority did you Guardians of the Faith have to appoint Matt Hale PM as leader of the Creativity movement in the first place?

Good question. I joined the WCOTC in 1997, when Hale was already Pontifex Maximus, so I didn't appoint Hale. On the contrary, I was appointed to the GotFC by Hale. The specifics of this are of no interest to me, as the (W)COTC is too marginalized and psychotically radical to be of any use.

"This Planet Is All Ours".... c'mon.

How about "This Entire Universe Is All Ours!!!"... ahahahahaaaaaa!!!

To paraphrase Dean Wurmer in "Animal House":

"Paranoid, psychotic and megalomaniacal is no way to go through life son."

There were plenty of long time Creators who obviously had a better grasp of what Klassen had built than you so-called Guardians of the Faith claimed to have. Who is guarding the Faith now?

Not me.

Speaking of long-time Creators, another Creator and I met this guy at an Arizona gun show who introduced himself to us as "Dane Hall" of the California COTC, and he said that he was on the Guardians Of The Faith Committee. He asked for our addresses and phone numbers so he could contact us, and we obliged. Now, while surfing the web, I come across this page, with a supposed photo of Dane Hall under Hale's photo:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/hale.html

The only problem is, the guy we met looked nothing like that photo. Do you know Dane Hall from California? And if so, is that really a pic of him? I would not be one bit surprised if the guy we met at the gun show was really a Fed. It wouldn't be the first time.

[QUOTE=ErikD]Perhaps that is why many Whites resist my pragmatic plan to separate from the Jews?

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223

Many black people resist separation from Whites, yet at the same time endlessly berate us.

I have noticed that many Nazis are the same way towards Jews... they love to hate the Jews so much, that the minute someone proposes a practical plan to actually ship the Jews out, everyone shoots it down.

Perhaps the Nazis cling to Jews to cover a deep-seated fear of being separated from them... "not knowing any other way of life".

If so, it is probably all subconscious, but still very bizarre.[/QUOTE]Hey, what do you know - the sissified bitch is still in town and spit-shining the boots of his kike masters with his reptilian tongue. (Ya' miss me, dumpling?)

Gotta give you at least a modicum of credit - you're 1/2 right, for once. Yes, niggers bite the hand that feeds 'em, Erika - very good. Like spoiled children (chillun'?) they lash out at their over-indulgent parents and consistently cry for "mo', mo' mo'". But with all that talk about "back to Africa" and all (NOI knows it'll never happen, so they "advocate" such a move/policy), we know it's just all a bunch of hot air, don't we? The nigger - deep in his heart - knows he can't fend for himself. No nigger nation has ever been able to do so. Why should Americoons have any better shot at it? You can take the nigger out of the jungle....

And, of course, you suck the dicks of your jewish overlords - for the umpteenth time - in suggesting that we stupid, defenseless goyim could'nt get along without the snivelin' pieces of shit. (You really do believe the leeches are God's Chosen....don't you?) And, ".....the minute someone proposes a practical plan to actually ship the jews out, everyone shoots it down?!?" WTF are you talkin' about? Give me just one example. I don't think you can, I think you're just shootin' from the hip again. Explain......

Later, Phora phaggot.

[QUOTE=HoaxThis] And, ".....the minute someone proposes a practical plan to actually ship the jews out, everyone shoots it down?!?" WTF are you talkin' about? Give me just one example. I don't think you can, I think you're just shootin' from the hip again. Explain......[/QUOTE]

Right here:

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223

Hypocrisy is often alright. Homo sapiens was created as a slave race by extra-terrestrials who may still be here. We should not exterminate the mud races, except the Jews, but remove them from areas cool enough for an all-White society to thrive. Once we get rid of the Jews almost certainly technology will merge with us and then supersede us, and before we can fly in a spaceship to other planets we shall be more machine than man.

[QUOTE=ErikD]Right here:

http://www.thephora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5223[/QUOTE]I meant a workable, feasible plan, you mongolian idiot. Not a load of looney-tunes b.s. like we're used to hearing from your boyfriend, Fake.

Just out of curiosity - how old are you? I only ask because your propositions reek of childlike naivete to the extreme. Has anyone else ever told you that? Seriously.....

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Vedism and buddhism certainly saved the white race in India now did it I mean it is still totally white to this day.LOL[/QUOTE]

You are correct... Vedism did not save the original Caucasian Aryans. But their metaphysical investigations and Vedic concepts are unsurpassed.

The Vedic concepts are even being confirmed by physicists today in their discoveries that everything is actually just energy moving at different frequencies to give the appearance and feel of solid matter.

The Vedic Aryans knew this millenia ago.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Who then turn around and find enlightenment from a head shinker and happy pills and blames Creativity for there own negative problems. [/QUOTE]

Sorry, I don't take any pills, and I got my enlightenment from Buddhist meditation, not from a headshrinker.

Just curious Dr. Antichrist... how did you come to become familiar with Creativity?

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Not too long ago you where on here going on about how you were going to a head shinker.Then after W. White and others basically told you to stop whinning you left. LOL[/QUOTE]

I don't remember a W. White, but I do remember leaving because of the proliferation of morons here.

Let's face it, at least half the people on this forum need to see a shrink.
From some of your wacky ramblings, I suspect you may be among them.

Go see a Jungian analyst... they are students of the genius.