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Derrick MacThomas
January 20th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Australian Constitution - Section 116 - Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
For some time I have pondered the idea that we should establish a white religion to further the white political agenda.
A literal reading of the Australian Constitution says that a religious group can do pretty much what it wants, such as restrict membership on the basis of race and sexual preference; and preach against the evils of race mixing and how it is part of a Jewish plot.
The ZOG and Jeremy Jones would try it on (in terms of a prosecution), but the Constitution says what it says. Any attempt to prosecute someone (under racial and religious vilification legislation or anti-discrimination legislation) whose religious beliefs required discrimination must surely fail. Any attempt to censor what is preached must fail, for to do so would be to 'prohibit the free exercise of any religion'.
I am still thinking about this.
Naturally, given my existing belief system, I would suggest that a latter-day Wodanism would be an ideal vehicle. Creativity is too easy for the ZOG to attack because it does not have a god.
Thoughts, anyone?
MDK
January 20th, 2011, 07:47 PM
For some time I have pondered the idea that we should establish a white religion to further the white political agenda.
A literal reading of the Australian Constitution says that a religious group can do pretty much what it wants, such as restrict membership on the basis of race and sexual preference; and preach against the evils of race mixing and how it is part of a Jewish plot.
The ZOG and Jeremy Jones would try it on (in terms of a prosecution), but the Constitution says what it says. Any attempt to prosecute someone (under racial and religious vilification legislation or anti-discrimination legislation) whose religious beliefs required discrimination must surely fail. Any attempt to censor what is preached must fail, for to do so would be to 'prohibit the free exercise of any religion'.
I am still thinking about this.
Naturally, given my existing belief system, I would suggest that a latter-day Wodanism would be an ideal vehicle. Creativity is too easy for the ZOG to attack because it does not have a god.
Thoughts, anyone?
Cosmotheism hasn't touched the jewish radar, at least i don't think so.:)
Saying that, anything that binds white people as a group will be attacked for not being 'inclusive.'
That's the egalitarian mind set. What i've noticed here in England is that Blacks from the Caribbean and Africa can form their own groups that encompass both.
Not race based :rolleyes:. They'll use excuses like culture, but that's easily ripped to shreds.
What do you have in mind ?. Greco/Roman ?. Nordic/Germanic ? . Druidism/Pagan ?
It's got to be something an alien can't even comprehend :)
Thomas de Aynesworth
January 20th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Militant paganism is the only way.
MDK
January 20th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Militant paganism is the only way.
That's specific to a region. West, Eastern, Southern Europe hold different beliefs before Christianity.
Something to encompass Europe as a whole. :)
Thomas de Aynesworth
January 20th, 2011, 08:00 PM
Yeah, we should create a syncretistic religion, where ethnic equivalencies are are taken into consideration.
Bacchus - Dionysus - Cernunnos
Vulcan - Hephaestus - Gobannos
Mercury - Poseidon - Lugus
Etc.
MDK
January 20th, 2011, 08:18 PM
Yeah, we should create a syncretistic religion, where ethnic equivalencies are are taken into consideration.
Bacchus - Dionysus - Cernunnos
Vulcan - Hephaestus - Gobannos
Mercury - Poseidon - Lugus
Etc.That's some task, but you're spot on :)
The sun and moon play the biggest part.
Thomas de Aynesworth
January 20th, 2011, 08:21 PM
"Sol Invictus" and "Luna Eterna"?
:D
SmokyMtn
January 20th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Cosmotheism hasn't touched the jewish radar, at least i don't think so.:)
Dr. William Pierce's other writings on the jew speaks for itself.
I know I have the e-mail somewhere just cannot find it right now.......
In a nutshell, over the past twenty years, prior to Mat Hale, and the deaths of Dr. William Pierce and Ben Klassen, there has been a move towards creating a hybred White Man's religion between Klassen's Creativity and Pierce's Cosmotheism.
I am not at the liberty to talk right now, but there are going to be exciting developments this year.
SmokyMtn
January 20th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Here is the e-mail. I stand corrected, the merging of Creativity and Cosmotheism has evolved just in the last ten years......
“Cosmotheism is an alternative to the infantile and spiritually unsatisfying Semitic world religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, which have brought Western Civilization, White countries and the European peoples over the world to a morbid and terminal state of decline.
“Cosmotheism is a scientific-spirituality based religion, a convergence of White separatist ideologies, cosmic evolutionary theory and human genetic engineering meets religion and spirituality. Because Cosmotheism embraces White racial internationalist goals and European racial separatist philosophies, it is a religion that parallels Ben Klassen’s ‘The Church of the Creator’ in that based on the criteria for membership, exclusively, only racially and genetically conscious White, European or Caucasian stock may join. Therefore, it is not enough to be of European origin and racial stock to be a member, but one must also have eugenic racial consciousness, or embrace the idea that White people must consciously direct their own evolution toward higher states of consciousness and being.
“Dr. William Luther Pierce the founder of the National Alliance created the religion Cosmotheism to teach and explain to European peoples of the world the true reason for their existence and purpose which is conscious evolution towards Godhood…
“William Luther Pierce (deceased) postulates the central core of the race based White religion of Cosmotheism as being for the descendants of Europeans who have populated the world and have a shared race-soul and higher collective-consciousness to join this religion. Each Cosmotheist man and woman becomes like a single cell in a self-aware mind, working together for the future of White people…
“In his speech “Our Cause”, Pierce simplifies the bare minimum saying:
“All we require is that you share with us a commitment to the simple, but great, truth which I have explained to you here, that you understand that you are a part of the whole, which is the creator, that you understand that your purpose, the purpose of mankind and the purpose of every other part of creation, is the creator’s purpose, that this purpose is the never-ending ascent of the path of creation, the path of life symbolized by our life rune, that you understand that this path leads ever upward toward the creator’s self-realization, and that the destiny of those who follow this path is godhood.”
“With the death of Dr. William Pierce and the arrest of Matt Hale leader of the defunct ”World Church of the Creator’, Some Cosmotheists and Creators have made the decision and a pact to merge both religions into a single religion.
“Dr. Pierce’s Cosmotheism and Klassen’s Church of Creator are now one religion.
RickHolland
January 20th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Christian Identity is one of the "Racist" Christian Theologies.
http://human-nature.com/nibbs/01/ogilvie.html
Derrick MacThomas
January 20th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Christian Identity is one of the "Racist" Christian Theologies.
http://human-nature.com/nibbs/01/ogilvie.html
Yes, but it is . . . well . . . Jewish: Jewish saviour, Jewish God, Jewish religious books.
As for the theology behind Identity, read what Varg Vikernes had to say. He explained the flaws in Identity rather well:
http://wau14.com/reality-time-by-varg-vikernes/
Darius Appleby
January 20th, 2011, 10:42 PM
For some time I have pondered the idea that we should establish a white religion to further the white political agenda.
A literal reading of the Australian Constitution says that a religious group can do pretty much what it wants, such as restrict membership on the basis of race and sexual preference; and preach against the evils of race mixing and how it is part of a Jewish plot.
The ZOG and Jeremy Jones would try it on (in terms of a prosecution), but the Constitution says what it says. Any attempt to prosecute someone (under racial and religious vilification legislation or anti-discrimination legislation) whose religious beliefs required discrimination must surely fail. Any attempt to censor what is preached must fail, for to do so would be to 'prohibit the free exercise of any religion'.
I am still thinking about this.
Naturally, given my existing belief system, I would suggest that a latter-day e would be an ideal vehicle. Creativity is too easy for the ZOG to attack because it does not have a god.
Thoughts, anyone?
Victoria and Western Australia have racial vilification laws but new South Wales does not.
Part of the resistance to such laws in NSW has come from the Rev Fred Nile MLC, Christian Democrat member of the NSW Legislative Council, often holding the balance of power. He has defended the right of Christian church members to criticise Islam.
NSW laws also allow religious schools to discriminate in employment on the basis of things such as religious beliefs.
You are quoting the Australian Constitution, however while the national parliament can not touch religion, some of the State parliaments have restricted certain types of free speech.
This is the flaw in your reliance on the Australian Constitution.
Derrick MacThomas
January 20th, 2011, 11:11 PM
Victoria and Western Australia have racial vilification laws but new South Wales does not.
Part of the resistance to such laws in NSW has come from the Rev Fred Nile MLC, Christian Democrat member of the NSW Legislative Council, often holding the balance of power. He has defended the right of Christian church members to criticise Islam.
NSW laws also allow religious schools to discriminate in employment on the basis of things such as religious beliefs.
You are quoting the Australian Constitution, however while the national parliament can not touch religion, some of the State parliaments have restricted certain types of free speech.
This is the flaw in your reliance on the Australian Constitution.
No, it is not a flaw to use the Australian Constitution.
Those state laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void. Those laws remain on the books because nobody has had the sense/balls/money to challenge the state laws.
The Australian Constitution says that if there is a conflict between state and/or federal law, federal law and/or the Constitution the Constitution shall prevail.
The Constitution also states that if there is a conflict between federal law and even the Constitution itself and British Common Law then British Common Law shall prevail.
This makes a great deal of federal, state and local council law illegal. It just needs to be challenged in a serious manner.
It would be a slam dunk case to defend any prosecution under state law by quoting Section 116 of the Constitution, then the section which states that Commonwealth law and the Constitution shall prevail.
For this reason, I have grave doubts about the competence of the legal representation that Pastor Danny Nalliah of Catch the Fire Ministries had when he was prosecuted for hate speech for merely quoting the Koran.
Darius Appleby
January 20th, 2011, 11:40 PM
No, it is not a flaw to use the Australian Constitution.
Those state laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void. Those laws remain on the books because nobody has had the sense/balls/money to challenge the state laws.
The Australian Constitution says that if there is a conflict between state and/or federal law, federal law and/or the Constitution the Constitution shall prevail.
The Constitution also states that if there is a conflict between federal law and even the Constitution itself and British Common Law then British Common Law shall prevail.
This makes a great deal of federal, state and local council law illegal. It just needs to be challenged in a serious manner.
It would be a slam dunk case to defend any prosecution under state law by quoting Section 116 of the Constitution, then the section which states that Commonwealth law and the Constitution shall prevail.
For this reason, I have grave doubts about the competence of the legal representation that Pastor Danny Nalliah of Catch the Fire Ministries had when he was prosecuted for hate speech for merely quoting the Koran.
How can there be a conflict between Federal and State laws if the Commonwealth is not permitted to make law concerning religion? The State law still stands.
The Australian Constitution limits the ability of the Commonwealth to make laws, but does nothing to limit the rights of the States to make laws.
The States gave the Commonwealth the ability to make laws for the ennumerated powers such as Defence and Foreign Affairs, but gave away none of their other original powers.
Nonsense about State and local laws being unconstitutional.
You need to understand how a Federation works. Federation only involved giving away the powers that were required for national government. The most important functions of State governments such as health and education remain their responsibility, along with everything else not listed in the Australian Constitution.
Danny Nalliah is a Victorian, subject to Victorian law.
Derrick MacThomas
January 21st, 2011, 12:00 AM
How can there be a conflict between Federal and State laws if the Commonwealth is not permitted to make law concerning religion? The State law still stands.
The Australian Constitution limits the ability of the Commonwealth to make laws, but does nothing to limit the rights of the States to make laws.
The States gave the Commonwealth the ability to make laws for the ennumerated powers such as Defence and Foreign Affairs, but gave away none of their other original powers.
Nonsense about State and local laws being unconstitutional.
You need to understand how a Federation works. Federation only involved giving away the powers that were required for national government. The most important functions of State governments such as health and education remain their responsibility, along with everything else not listed in the Australian Constitution.
Danny Nalliah is a Victorian, subject to Victorian law.
No, it is you who does not understand.
This:
Australian Constitution - Section 109 - Inconsistency of laws
When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid.
Allied with:
Australian Constitution - Section 116 - Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
Allied with:
Section 106 – Saving of Constitutions
The Constitution of each State of the Commonwealth shall, subject to this Constitution, continue as at the establishment of the Commonwealth, or as at the admission of establishment of the State, as the case may be, until altered in accordance with the Constitution of the State.
State laws are subject to this Constitution, which means that if there is a conflict both the Constitution and Commonwealth law shall prevail.
Darius Appleby
January 21st, 2011, 12:09 AM
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 51
Legislative powers of the Parliament [see Notes 10 and 11]
The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:
(i) trade and commerce with other countries, and among the States;
(ii) taxation; but so as not to discriminate between States or parts of States;
(iii) bounties on the production or export of goods, but so that such bounties shall be uniform throughout the Commonwealth;
(iv) borrowing money on the public credit of the Commonwealth;
(v) postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and other like services;
(vi) the naval and military defence of the Commonwealth and of the several States, and the control of the forces to execute and maintain the laws of the Commonwealth;
(vii) lighthouses, lightships, beacons and buoys;
(viii) astronomical and meteorological observations;
(ix) quarantine;
(x) fisheries in Australian waters beyond territorial limits;
(xi) census and statistics;
(xii) currency, coinage, and legal tender;
(xiii) banking, other than State banking; also State banking extending beyond the limits of the State concerned, the incorporation of banks, and the issue of paper money;
(xiv) insurance, other than State insurance; also State insurance extending beyond the limits of the State concerned;
(xv) weights and measures;
(xvi) bills of exchange and promissory notes;
(xvii) bankruptcy and insolvency;
(xviii) copyrights, patents of inventions and designs, and trade marks;
(xix) naturalization and aliens;
(xx) foreign corporations, and trading or financial corporations formed within the limits of the Commonwealth;
(xxi) marriage;
(xxii) divorce and matrimonial causes; and in relation thereto, parental rights, and the custody and guardianship of infants;
(xxiii) invalid and old‑age pensions;
(xxiiiA) the provision of maternity allowances, widows' pensions, child endowment, unemployment, pharmaceutical, sickness and hospital benefits, medical and dental services (but not so as to authorize any form of civil conscription), benefits to students and family allowances;
(xxiv) the service and execution throughout the Commonwealth of the civil and criminal process and the judgments of the courts of the States;
(xxv) the recognition throughout the Commonwealth of the laws, the public Acts and records, and the judicial proceedings of the States;
(xxvi) the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;
(xxvii) immigration and emigration;
(xxviii) the influx of criminals;
(xxix) external affairs;
(xxx) the relations of the Commonwealth with the islands of the Pacific;
(xxxi) the acquisition of property on just terms from any State or person for any purpose in respect of which the Parliament has power to make laws;
(xxxii) the control of railways with respect to transport for the naval and military purposes of the Commonwealth;
(xxxiii) the acquisition, with the consent of a State, of any railways of the State on terms arranged between the Commonwealth and the State;
(xxxiv) railway construction and extension in any State with the consent of that State;
(xxxv) conciliation and arbitration for the prevention and settlement of industrial disputes extending beyond the limits of any one State;
(xxxvi) matters in respect of which this Constitution makes provision until the Parliament otherwise provides;
(xxxvii) matters referred to the Parliament of the Commonwealth by the Parliament or Parliaments of any State or States, but so that the law shall extend only to States by whose Parliaments the matter is referred, or which afterwards adopt the law;
(xxxviii) the exercise within the Commonwealth, at the request or with the concurrence of the Parliaments of all the States directly concerned, of any power which can at the establishment of this Constitution be exercised only by the Parliament of the United Kingdom or by the Federal Council of Australasia;
(xxxix) matters incidental to the execution of any power vested by this Constitution in the Parliament or in either House thereof, or in the Government of the Commonwealth, or in the Federal Judicature, or in any department or officer of the Commonwealth.
No, it is you who does not understand.
This:
Allied with:
Allied with:
State laws are subject to this Constitution, which means that if there is a conflict both the Constitution and Commonwealth law shall prevail.
When you have studied constitutional law you might have a better understanding of the Australian Constitution.
The Australian Colonies which became States at Federation 1901 gave the Commonwealth specific powers only. They are listed in the Australian Constitution above.
They do not mention religion. Religion was not one of the powers given to the Australian Government.
If the Head of Power is not listed in the enumerated powers of the Australian Government, then it remains a State Government power. Read them all above.
Religion not mentioned in Section 51 of the Australian Constitution, so it remains a State responsibility.
The function of the High Court of Australia is to interpret the Constitution, and they have expanded some parts such as the external affairs power to include Federal Government international treaties concerned with the environment to restrict the State government construction of dams. Tasmanian Franklin Dam Case
The Australian Capital Television case created an implied right of political free speech, and attempts by the Keating Government to restrict political advertising were struck down by the High Court. Now that the High Court has found this right exists, it could in the future protect political free speech from interference by any government.
Whatever religious activities you may conduct in your State will be subject to the relevant laws of your State and the Commonwealth.
V.K.
January 21st, 2011, 08:09 AM
When you have studied constitutional law you might have a better understanding of the Australian Constitution.
The Australian Colonies which became States at Federation 1901 gave the Commonwealth specific powers only. They are listed in the Australian Constitution above.
They do not mention religion. Religion was not one of the powers given to the Australian Government.
If the Head of Power is not listed in the enumerated powers of the Australian Government, then it remains a State Government power. Read them all above.
Religion not mentioned in Section 51 of the Australian Constitution, so it remains a State responsibility.
The function of the High Court of Australia is to interpret the Constitution, and they have expanded some parts such as the external affairs power to include Federal Government international treaties concerned with the environment to restrict the State government construction of dams. Tasmanian Franklin Dam Case
The Australian Capital Television case created an implied right of political free speech, and attempts by the Keating Government to restrict political advertising were struck down by the High Court.
Whatever religious activities you may conduct in your State will be subject to the relevant laws of your State and the Commonwealth.
The Commonwealth can take over State responsibilities with out the consent of the States. Remember John Howard and industrial relations?
Darius Appleby
January 21st, 2011, 11:41 AM
The Commonwealth can take over State responsibilities with out the consent of the States. Remember John Howard and industrial relations?
The Howard Federal Government intended to use Section 51 (xx) the corporations power to implement a national industrial relations scheme.
The High Court agreed the Commonwealth could use the corporations power in this way, but of course only for those employees of corporations (85% of employees).
These Commonwealth laws could not apply to State and local governments as they are not corporations. They would also not have applied to any business or employer unless it was a company. These employees and their industrial relations matters would have remained covered by State laws where applicable. This was using the corporations power sidestepping the conciliation and arbitrations power. http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/key/IndustrialRelations:TheReferralofPowers
If the Head of Power such as the corporations power is listed in Section 51 then there can be no argument from the States.
No consent is required from the States for the Commonwealth to legislate over an area they never had power over.
The States could say they disagree with not being able to make immigration laws, but it is irrelevant as they never had power over immigration matters anyway.
Of course using 51 (xxxvii) any State can request the Commonwealth make a law concerning another area, but only for that State, or only any other State that agrees is affected. The Kennett Victorian Government asked the Commonwealth to deal with industrial relations matters. If the election battle for Workchoices had been won by the government the other States may have decided to give the remaining 15% of employees to the Commonwealth.
The States (former colonies) always were important, and their rights are protected by the Australian Constitution. The States even get their own house of parliament, the Australian Senate, and 12 Senators each no matter what their population size.
The Commonwealth can not take over State responsibilities without the consent of the States.
RickHolland
January 21st, 2011, 11:50 AM
Wotanism is the name of a racial religion promulgated by David Lane. Wotan is the German name for the Germanic god known in Norse as Odin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wotanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_neopaganism
Shane Bunting
January 22nd, 2011, 09:26 AM
What I do is tell people to read the two main books of Creativity, Nature's Eternal Religion and the White Man's Bible. Read those books, you can get them from The Creativity Movement for $15.00 each.
Creativity is an atheistic and pro-White religion. It is a positive and life-affirming religion. It is in my opinion, the ONLY salvation for the White Race. It has the final solution, the total program and the ultimate creed for the survival, expansion and advancement of Nature's Finest.
Visit the website of TCM:
www.CreativityMovement.net
Here is the church hotline number that will put you through with the national director of TCM in America. I'm posting the number for the fellows in the USA that are reading. Phone: 309-830-9485
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